=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 11 === Title: Episode 11 all about that faster clock speed Recorded: 2015-11-12 Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Jae "Chipko", Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Niko Guest(s): (none recorded) Total audience: 1,160 Platforms: SoundCloud (https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/243962291) ==================================== we talk about the price of the vortex pro, the benefits of a faster clock speed and complain about jack and the esc list! [0.3] Jack: hello and let's drone out I am joined virtually on the internet for the [9.3] Jae: virtual hippie highway yeah hey Jack it's a day to go [17.1] Jack: how you doing not too bad and directly in front of me it's not your faithful [22.32] Jack: man-servant Nico you never happen not I am the induced man-servant [30.72] Jack: which is both a good and a bad thing and of course mr. sweary on the chatty [37.76] Jack: shouty shouty sorry sorry sorry phone star hello oh my god it's a whole crew [48.84] Jack: it's a full house and there's no one listening [53.82] Jae: it's rare to have you as well me Cohen especially for six o'clock usually [61.23] Jae: you're turning up halfway through and then somebody goes to the door yeah [65.23] Niko: yeah well it's because my work isn't the smartest of people so they decided to [72.69] Niko: change the opening times to finish at seven o'clock so I can't actually make [78.37] Niko: it in time for the show because they are until next year yeah when we change [83.29] Jack: have we released that yet or until I kill my manager I think it's been released [89.21] Jack: common knowledge I don't know well it's nice it's nice to be surrounded by my [95.01] Jack: friends well some would say friends some would say enemies bring on the pain [105.49] Jack: you need you need help Tony I do need help well mate no I think you just need [112.41] Tony: to fly again you're grounded the moment on you me grounded no I don't know the [118.65] Tony: way you stare at me no I'm not grounded I've just I've got 180 few days ago from [131.57] Tony: my winnings I spent my winning money you know the money I've won when I come [138.09] Tony: second place at the FPV league I spent it on a QAV 180 and got Jack to try to [145.93] Tony: put it together in a rush and we've had some problems with a little fella just [152.45] Jack: just a couple haven't we Jackie Jacks radio sees finest I'm not admitting [157.57] Jae: anything go you where's our news machines I forgot it was a QAV 180 I [167.67] Jae: mean they are good I like you I've got the bigger ones yeah it's one of the [174.23] Jack: 50s or 180s they do look smart madhousewife says well it's better than a [181.03] Jack: trophy at least of the trophy I could insert it somewhere I'd much prefer a [187.51] Tony: trophy than money really would less stress than me should we talk about the [195.55] Tony: new vortex Pro just been released about 10 minutes ago yeah I'm gonna turn my [201.59] Jack: headphones down so I don't have to I know you're here in real life come on [208.15] Jack: let's hear about it I'm just jealous cuz I can't afford one how much is it you [212.47] Tony: did a little conversion 330 quid I think English quite good that is a lot [218.35] Tony: of cocaine yeah but be a nice quad though wouldn't it are we allowed to say [222.99] Jae: cocaine Joe it's drugs I thought you hippies are into that I guess so because [232.47] Jae: it's a reference you know it's not an illegal can someone get the oh here we [239.75] Tony: go I can read some stuff out from my housewife sorry to cut you off tone [244.35] Jack: madhousewife said nothing wrong with olden death oh you're in there Tom is [253.55] Jack: madhousewife female does it matter I don't know it does to me okay we're [259.95] Tony: working on that right there's a lot to read it is almost ready to fly it's 500 [270.72] Tony: dollars US dollars with the zipper case 250 size race squad state-of-the-art [275.68] Tony: every FC processor second generation 20 amp ESCs with custom 2204 23,000 KV [285.04] Tony: motors not nine inch things think built-in black box recorder direct PPM [296.96] Tony: spectrum S bus or X bus receivers I'm gonna tear off his nipples it's got a [304.12] Tony: GoPro 3 and 4 mount included so yeah it's pretty good all you got to do is [309.32] Tony: basically mount your own receiver in there and you're good to go and don't [314.56] Tony: forget about your GoPro or Mobius and yeah and put that on well I think that's [319.68] Tony: quite good for 330 quid that is pretty good all problem solved yeah and you've [325.16] Tony: got a OSD with that and everything you can program your name in it oh unlike me [330.52] Jack: it can't do that that's another jig I'm gonna I'm gonna have that to the list [338.0] Tony: that it's a list this race tuned out of the box it's got a black box recorder [344.88] Tony: to built in as well yeah looks pretty good I think metal Danny and Boris B have [352.8] Tony: had a lot to do with it so and I actually think you can get different [357.2] Tony: version I think there's a 280 in the 250 so one a switch swings six inch and one [364.24] Tony: of swing five so it's Boris the five yeah hmm is Danny always fly six inch I [372.08] Tony: don't know how he gets under gates of six inches got really good six by three [376.64] Tony: side here yeah that's what he said in the interview now in his HQ63 actually [383.36] Jack: got a second shall we phone mouth have you got mouth phone number no I ain't [388.16] Jack: got my phone number you're a legend last done yeah but mind you it is dark [393.0] Jack: outside to probably out flying oh I fly at night that is my news that I've got [402.32] Tony: for you vortex broke out plus the new game what's out has anyone played the [406.68] Jae: game liftoff no I've been very tempted but just haven't had time even for [410.72] Jae: simulators but I mean you know I like the idea of it and it's if we get if [415.52] Jae: there's a good community behind it it'll get the developers developing even [418.32] Jae: more so I've been keen to try it it's about 15 pounds only $20 we're being [423.6] Tony: screwed over again on pricing not not it's not that bad I mean um I watched [430.64] Tony: hbi guy put a video up on it graphics ain't that good mind you he was [434.24] Tony: recording at the time so he said they're better when you don't do like the [438.6] Tony: recording at the same time but it's not a final finish no yeah it is but it is [444.12] Tony: pretty alpha so it won't be and as long as the physics work graphics aren't as I [451.12] Jae: think that's the key to it as long as the physics work well the graphics are [454.8] Tony: secondary Francis Harris says the physics aren't that good so take a bit [463.92] Jack: of time then I'm not gonna jump into it is he the pilot that scares you the most [468.44] Tony: no one scares me Jack scares you doesn't he yeah when he comes out a shower of [475.8] Niko: Nike yeah like if they get the feeling of the flying right then yeah you're [507.8] Niko: right the graphics won't matter so much because if people are whizzing around [511.04] Niko: really quickly if the graphics won't read people won't really be paying [514.4] Jae: attention to the graphics rather than the scenery because you can fly a [520.12] Jae: multi-player Kanye so you essentially you can compete against each other and [523.72] Jae: see you know that's what you're focusing on then where they are in a turn or [527.48] Tony: whatever yeah yeah that's gonna be pretty cool yeah a lot of promise yeah [534.04] Tony: especially that you can you don't even need a monitor you can just plug you [537.6] Tony: actually can weigh your fat shark goggles while playing it as long as you [541.58] Tony: got the HDMI in you can go HDMI out from your laptop or whatever and then [549.92] Tony: straight into the goal so you can basically feel like you're outside doing [553.84] Jack: it properly mad stick a phone on your head and you get pull ups and grass [567.6] Jae: sorry sorry I said at that point the graphics don't need to be as good but I [578.52] Tony: think the yeah the split-screen although I suppose it might be split screen will [582.68] Niko: it if you can do if you can somehow split the HDMI into the separate [587.76] Jack: channels yeah it's more no cameras mono yeah but if you have mounted your [593.48] Jack: quarters mono by the way there's only one of them okay see send loads of [597.64] Jae: channels out to a screen and monitor goggles you know the other people could [601.28] Niko: watch while you're playing it oh yeah I suppose they could make it online that [605.12] Niko: would be pretty cool why don't you just plug it straight into a video [615.04] Jack: transmitter leave you leave your internet still on so you get a few fuzzy [620.2] Jack: blips and that use opposite polarized antenna so every 10 seconds there's a [625.12] Tony: little bit of flicker in the graphics so when you play it you do get [632.92] Jack: yeah the five point eight and then and then ten minutes later the beat me and [637.2] Jack: then your goggles go off job done back in the dog poop for me they'll have to [654.0] Tony: include a generic burning smell [664.44] Niko: yeah you do is you just you stick a fork in the [669.6] Jae: TV what about liftoff yeah I would do when I get it um no chance to fly I've [682.72] Jae: been so like in work head and chips away head I've had no time I even took [689.0] Jae: my quad all the way down to Wiltshire and I never flew it where there was [693.72] Tony: pretty rubbish on some days and it's been rubbish the forecast ain't very [697.88] Tony: good either I don't think we're gonna get out I think it's gonna be car park [701.0] Tony: we're gonna have to find a car park so I mean people have been starting to get [705.88] Jae: their camera upgrades the 5x are so for the inspire and even those people are [710.76] Jae: saying on the forums and on Facebook I can't fly the weather's been rubbish I [714.4] Jae: want to test this thing out and yeah it's been rubbish winter is upon us no [719.68] Niko: it's so annoying it was all right but I had to work I did learn to fly in the [725.2] Jae: winter I learned flying the winter but there are some good days in winter to [729.64] Tony: fly sunny days and low wind yes sunny frosty days I can handle it's the wet [735.8] Niko: and window yeah you just need a dry and calm day and then if it's freezing and [740.88] Niko: there's some lights you can see it's totally fine that's how I learned the thing is in the [745.52] Jae: deepest darkest depths of winter you do need some gloves or something and even [750.6] Jae: people go to the extreme again those big transmit emits but I suppose you sat [754.64] Jae: down transmit emits not a problem at all I just like to carry on Jay well I [760.12] Jae: suppose we just I don't know I've never I wanted to try one have you seen them [764.04] Jae: the big cover keep your hands nice and warm while you're flying around yeah I've [767.52] Tony: seen the ones what cover the whole yeah the whole transmittal yeah David [775.08] Jack: Vindestall rocks them he's got yeah he does look in the cold of claim though [780.12] Jack: yeah Oscar Oscar recommended it on his how to survive the winter flying also [786.08] Jack: the Zippo hand warmer he recommended as well I'm not trusting Tony with one [790.76] Jack: because you'll probably catch yourself on fire you can tell he's actually she [795.96] Jae: was speaking of Oscar actually Jack was um did you see that post that he put up [799.24] Jae: about so I remember memory chips onto an acro now as a board yeah hang on I'll [805.4] Jack: get to that you can tell that we the let's drown out is in charge of the [811.68] Jack: stream because they're all talking about cow poo in the chat would you like me [817.64] Jack: we'll do that and then we'll come back to Jay's for mentioned black box chips [823.44] Jack: where do you find the chat yeah Von Ryan says I'll scare you Tom I think you and [831.04] Jack: Baron have got something going on nothing compared to cow poo trust me I [835.96] Jack: know quad still smells funny kind of smelly vision BVR maybe I don't know [843.32] Jack: what that means I know cow poo from Glastonbury says Jay my favourite [852.28] Jack: comment of tonight's show so far is cow poo is easy to hit but as well or should [860.28] Jack: I say harder to miss gave gave sending in some news as we speak [869.08] Tony: Shannon Sharpe who are making a online video series with I think Chad cappers [874.6] Tony: doing the videography of it anyone interested in that you don't even know [883.24] Jae: they are doing me going for God's sake. Baron von Breit reckons the transmitter [891.65] Jae: muffs are the best and he reckons putting him on in with a heater element [894.85] Jae: from hobby King yeah I suppose if it's snowing outside I don't really want my [900.53] Jae: hands exposed for like 10 or 15 minutes it gets cold quickly yeah and you can [904.81] Jack: spend a whole afternoon out flying if you're warming up. Hardy says you could [910.33] Jack: overcome if you could overcome the ferrodite cage you could fly FPV from [916.41] Jack: inside your car someone's called Doris D but he's not Boris B that makes me very [922.93] Jae: sad. I think he says quite a lot about in the car and all you need to do is [928.61] Jae: route your aerial out through a window to the roof or something. HBI guys [933.65] Tony: flown in the car with his transmitter on the dashboard he was just sitting in it. [937.89] Jae: People make vans out of them technically not allowed to because you've got to [941.61] Jae: have a quick uninterrupted view of your quad if you'd find professionally but [945.01] Jae: professional setups would be you know rigged up in the back of the van and [948.29] Jack: stuff. I would like to point out your windscreen is not metal for anyone who [954.29] Jae: cares. Yeah but it's directional and you have a problem with the car shielding some of the [958.81] Jae: signal especially on 5.8 so it's a warranted obstruction. Actually yeah I [965.25] Tony: think he was flying when HBI did it last winter he was his [972.13] Tony: transmitter was in the car with him and he yeah I think he had a setup outside [976.37] Tony: the car for his 5.8 or tripod. Yeah I think you'd be fine though because you [980.73] Jack: could just stick at your immersion RC duo out at the top of the car. Yeah just stick that out there. You'll be laughing at the car. I might do that. [991.85] Jack: Do some indoor flying. I fly around my house with my 250 but half the house is [998.37] Jack: being knocked down says Gabriel. Baron where do you live? I don't know where you want to share that information on an internet platform. Baron's been saying that he's been flying in the car and the [1013.34] Jae: signal's not a problem that you go too high. Yeah which means the roof gets in the [1018.26] Jae: way. So maybe park on the top of a hill and fly forward. Yeah could do that. You knew [1025.34] Jack: girlfriends from the Netherlands by the way Tom. Brilliant. Is it a girl though? Yeah I think so. I don't think it is. Baron? What? Baron S is the feminine person. I'm trying to give him hope. Tony needs a [1041.02] Jack: love interest. No he doesn't. He totally does not. So he doesn't take out all his rage at me. Jay got a phone call from DGI and I want to know why. [1050.02] Jae: Maybe because I gave some details back to the big massive corporation that is. The mothership. Don't lie. [1059.02] Jae: Does the bus return to home? Mate can you even fly right? Anyhow no it's just because they asked for some survey on just what camera platforms people are doing and I just gave that. So that was a few months ago and then sent an email just saying we'd like to do a telephone interview. So I gave my details and then about two hours later they called up from their [1088.82] Jae: headquarters in China. I spoke for half an hour and just mentioned what cameras I've been using, what my interests were and just the fact finding mission and I hung up thinking that was interesting for a company to do such good market research. [1102.82] Jack: A. Did you incur any charges from accepting a call from China? B. I really want to know. You said that they got all excited when you said the word GoPro. Now as we all know thanks to Tony's life for Minutemen. He like warns. He's there at the seconds notice to obviously complain about anything bad happening. [1127.82] Jae: And he was like GoPro in their update. No live out. Not that he's ever used it. Yeah I have. What an ex. Anyhow you were saying. I'm quite passionate about the GoPro. I do use mine for off my quads. It goes underwater. It's gone on adventures with me essentially and I'm keen about getting the GoPro 5 when it comes out next year. [1154.82] Jae: Only for the ability to crop into an image and have a reasonable resolution. I suppose if the rumors are true at 8K resolution recording then that's putting it back at the forefront. And I think GoPro finally had to realise wait a minute we can lose our market here. [1168.82] Jae: You know we've always been at the forefront for film and tell you in sort of wild and adventurous locations and shots. So I think they need to put themselves back up with quite a good thing to say this is the new level playing field. [1183.82] Tony: What can our eyes see in J. Can our eyes see 8K or 30K or what. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because if you were just taking a picture from up in the sky and you wanted to get a portion of what was 4K. [1196.82] Jae: You can just crop that bit out and you've still got the same resolution as a 4K capture. Yeah I agree with that. That's that's quite good. You probably go down to 720p and think you know it's just the next step of what is video recording. [1208.82] Tony: I just think what's the point? They're going to have 100K soon and I just think well this is going to be too good for our eyeballs isn't it? [1214.82] Tony: Yeah like there's only a certain limit your eyes can review in. [1217.82] Jae: I always think we should record at the best quality we can and don't worry about displaying it back later. Figure that out later. [1225.82] Jae: Technology will always advance and the fact that they've probably pushed it in their own R&D department if they are going to come out with 8K. [1232.82] Jae: Perhaps we'll slowly catch up. There's 8K tellies out. Okay there might be like 15 grand or whatever they are. [1238.82] Niko: But like the funny thing of like when they say like Ultra HD and all that like no one broadcasts in that level of resolution. [1245.82] Jae: Not everyone has a telly that they receive a broadcast signal of. I mean my monitor gets an internet signal. It doesn't matter. YouTube streams in 4K. [1254.82] Tony: It's not really that 4K. [1256.82] Jae: It doesn't matter. I'm just saying that it will change and you might look back on this conversation and think okay yeah why did we ever think that it never needs to get better. [1265.82] Jae: Projectors and all sorts of things that will project a much bigger screen across a whole living room. It's going to get better. [1272.82] Jae: Whatever you think of the current is it enough? Does it really matter? It's going to get better anyway. [1278.82] Niko: I suppose we're just struggling to fathom it. [1280.82] Tony: I've only just got a 4K TV. I do not want to spend another 10 million pounds on a 8K TV. [1286.82] Jae: Well no because the other thing is they say like on the 4K if you downscale your 4K video to 1080p it looks better than if you recorded it at 1080p. [1297.82] Niko: Okay yeah that makes sense. [1301.36] Jae: Because you've got more detail. It does a better version often on the GoPro. That's what people are doing. [1307.36] Jae: You downscale and you can have more detail. It looks sharper than what you hope to pick up in video in the first instance of 1080p. [1315.36] Niko: So you just like downrender it. [1317.36] Jae: Yeah kind of. You process it and say just shrink it down. So it's software dependent. [1323.36] Jack: Right after me and Tony have recovered from our comas. [1328.36] Jae: You can talk about racing now. [1331.36] Jack: Oh the 1080p. Yeah well boys good like fighting YouTube's compression rate on that one. [1345.36] Jack: Netflix is pretty good. [1347.36] Tony: No we got something on Netflix. [1349.36] Tony: That really is quite good. [1352.36] Jack: Mister I feel like smashing my TV. [1355.36] Tony: I'm going to smash you at the minute. [1358.36] Tony: Has anyone seen the new update on Clean Flight yet. Jack have you seen it yet. [1364.36] Jack: You know this. That's what happened. [1367.36] Jack: And why not. [1368.36] Jack: Does the Rev6 work on it. [1370.36] Jack: Pass. [1371.36] Jack: Because apparently he's in Spain right about now. Hold Mr. Clean Flight. [1375.36] Tony: Mr. Dive bomb Tony. [1377.36] Jack: You should be punching his face in not me. I fix your cards. Well. [1382.36] Jack: Different. Did you get that question. [1387.36] Jae: Have anyone tried the new version of Clean Flight. [1390.36] Jack: No I sent you a question in Skype. [1393.36] Jae: Yes sorry it's impossible to take the camera on or off the phantoms. [1397.36] Jae: I know DJ I say no. On the Inspire you can swap it out. [1401.36] Jae: Tone. [1402.36] Jae: And some of the others Zenmuse gimbal so you can kind of take them off I believe. [1405.36] Jae: Maybe not on the newer ones so easily. [1407.36] Jae: But on the Phantom 2 Phantom 3 I think. Phantom 2 Phantom 1. [1412.36] Jae: And the other variants. [1413.36] Jae: Well the Phantom 1 just had the GoPro mount anyway didn't it. [1415.36] Tony: Yeah it didn't have a gimbal. [1417.36] Jae: 2 though. Yeah I don't know about the 2. [1419.36] Jae: Because they released loads of different versions in the end. [1422.36] Jae: The flying camera the FC40 there was. I didn't keep up. [1426.36] Jack: What about your Phantom 3. Is that GoPro anyway or. [1431.36] Jae: No the Phantom 3 has its own cameras. [1433.36] Jae: There's our pricing structure. [1435.36] Jae: The higher resolution cheaper version is more. [1439.36] Jae: Sorry there's a higher resolution at 2.7K. [1442.36] Jae: And that is cheaper than the 1080p version. [1446.36] Jae: And I don't know why. Anyhow why are we talking about phantoms. [1449.36] Jae: Let's talk about something else. [1450.36] Jae: Clean Flight. [1451.36] Jack: I like my Phantom. [1452.36] Jae: Yeah yeah they're good. [1454.36] Jae: Jack does want to talk about them. [1456.36] Jack: No I don't mind. [1457.36] Jack: Like just because no one's actually sent me an email saying like. [1462.36] Jack: Oh by the way Phantom you know rules or anything. [1465.36] Jack: We're just trying to vary it up. [1467.36] Jack: But you know they're all the same. [1469.36] Jack: AR is the best. [1471.36] Jack: That actually went last did a long time. [1473.36] Jack: Well that was a fantastic argument boys. [1476.36] Jack: Fighting. Fighting your case. [1479.36] Jack: Anyway back to clean flight. [1480.36] Tony: Yeah it's just got a new update on the facial side of things. [1484.36] Tony: The aesthetics. [1485.36] Jack: Does it look less like base flight. [1487.36] Jack: Can anyone remember what base flight looks like. [1489.36] Jack: I haven't been on base flight for ages. [1492.36] Jack: You've never seen base flight have you. [1494.36] Jack: You've shown it to me. [1495.36] Jae: Okay they've got a separate tag on the left that has a firmware flasher. [1499.36] Jae: And cleaner buttons and things you can turn on and off. [1502.36] Jae: It looks a lot cleaner in design. [1504.36] Jae: They've got support and documentation. [1506.36] Jae: Yeah I don't know. [1507.36] Jack: Because every time I go onto clean flight using a Mac. [1513.36] Jack: I just like to point that out. [1515.36] Jack: Mr Chris. [1516.36] Jack: Apparently I'm always using the oldest version. [1518.36] Jack: I don't know whether that was a bug or not. [1520.36] Jae: Yeah for a while it would say even on the Windows version. [1523.36] Jae: That you don't necessarily have the latest version. [1525.36] Jae: Even though there was never a download to get. [1527.36] Jae: And so when Tony said just then. [1529.36] Jae: I just went to it and it said there's an update for it. [1531.36] Jae: So it should be backwards compatible. [1533.36] Jae: But I'd be interested to see what they've done with the lighting. [1535.36] Jack: Lighting set up. [1537.36] Jae: Well that's where they've changed the interface. [1540.36] Jae: To how you set your lights on the clean flight. [1543.36] Jack: What's wrong with the old one. [1545.36] Niko: I haven't seen that bit. [1546.36] Niko: The LEDs. [1547.36] Niko: Yeah. [1548.36] Jack: I haven't seen that. [1549.36] Jack: It doesn't matter to you. [1550.36] Jack: You've got disco mate. [1551.36] Niko: I know. [1552.36] Niko: I've actually decided to keep that. [1553.36] Niko: I like that disco. [1554.36] Niko: It's crazy. [1555.36] Niko: Yeah. [1556.36] Niko: I want to be able to learn. [1557.36] Niko: To be able to do the break dancing on command as well. [1559.36] Jack: There's absolutely no reason. [1561.36] Jack: It's to do with voltage apparently. [1563.36] Jack: Is to do with the voltage error. [1565.36] Niko: As long as it's not something that will eventually wear my quad down into death. [1568.36] Niko: But. [1569.36] Niko: Who knows. [1570.36] Niko: Who knows. [1571.36] Niko: Yeah. [1572.36] Niko: But I mean it flies. [1573.36] Niko: Taking it for a flight. [1574.36] Niko: And it was nice. [1575.36] Niko: I just need to tune it. [1576.36] Niko: And make it feel more comfortable in my hands. [1578.36] Niko: But. [1579.36] Niko: Yeah. [1580.36] Niko: Real nice. [1581.36] Niko: That's a bit what takes a little while isn't it. [1582.36] Niko: Yeah. [1583.36] Niko: And I don't really know what to change to make it what I want it. [1586.36] Jack: I need. [1587.36] Jack: Yeah. [1588.36] Jack: Johnny if you're ever listening to this. [1589.36] Jack: Can you please email your PIDs. [1592.36] Jack: Into. [1593.36] Jack: What's our emails. [1595.36] Jack: Something that. [1596.36] Jack: Let's go now. [1597.36] Jack: Let's go now at gmail dot com. [1600.36] Jack: Right. [1601.36] Jack: We totally kill the DJI stuff. [1605.36] Jack: Hardy Mills came up with. [1606.36] Jack: The thing about the eye is all you can focus on are small areas at a time. [1611.2] Jack: The area is supposed to be about 8 megapixels. [1614.48] Jack: But of course you can focus on different areas of the image as you watch. [1619.52] Jack: I've got the update right now. [1622.52] Jack: And I don't like it says Baron Von Riot. [1625.32] Jack: It looks a lot different image. [1627.8] Jack: Oh that's it. [1628.8] Jack: We got a nice image. [1629.84] Jack: If we had a VJ we could upload it. [1631.84] Jack: Do you want to have a look. [1632.84] Jack: Pier over my screen. [1633.84] Jack: Niko. [1634.84] Jack: Tony's already seen it. [1635.84] Jack: What is it. [1636.84] Jae: I'm looking at it now. [1637.84] Jae: Have you seen it. [1638.84] Jae: I don't know what it is. [1639.84] Jae: I left. [1640.84] Jae: The. [1641.84] Jack: The clean light. [1642.84] Jack: The clean light configurator. [1643.84] Jack: It's kind of different. [1645.84] Jack: Everything is always green and black with that skid and white. [1647.84] Jack: Which is weird because he has red prop on the image. [1649.84] Jack: It's nice. [1650.84] Jack: It's got a bit of a separation isn't it. [1652.84] Niko: Yeah it's like it's quite well. [1653.84] Niko: No pun intended clean. [1655.84] Niko: Looking a lot more Mackie. [1657.84] Jack: In a way. [1658.84] Jack: Yeah. [1659.84] Jack: With a little bit of Winamp thrown in. [1661.84] Jack: Winamp. [1662.84] Jack: For all you 90's kids. [1663.84] Jack: God. [1664.84] Jack: Well yeah. [1665.84] Jack: Winamp. [1666.84] Jack: Yeah. [1667.84] Jack: Mum. [1668.84] Jack: Dad. [1669.84] Jack: Winamp. [1670.84] Jae: Actually the last person that I was mean to install had his 52nd birthday. [1676.84] Jae: So yeah. [1678.84] Jack: Niko you left the conversation as soon as I mentioned Winamp apparently. [1682.84] Jack: Me. [1683.84] Jack: Yep. [1684.84] Tony: New drone lab batteries coming out. [1686.84] Jack: 1400's. [1687.84] Tony: Thought being a bit lighter. [1688.84] Tony: 4S. [1689.84] Jack: Yep. [1690.84] Tony: Not much difference but. [1692.84] Jack: Yeah. [1693.84] Tony: Might be better for the smaller quads. [1695.84] Tony: Really they need to be a thousand don't they. [1697.84] Tony: On 180 size stuff. [1699.84] Jack: The thing is with batteries that you use it don't seem like many other people use. [1703.84] Jack: Like you know because the 1800's. [1705.84] Jack: I know a few people have bought them. [1708.84] Jack: But it's for the hardcore racers isn't it. [1711.84] Jack: Yeah really. [1712.84] Jack: Someone who like rips through the amps. [1714.84] Tony: Yeah. [1715.84] Tony: I got it because they're balanced the gravity perfect and anything on your new quad now. [1721.84] Tony: I think they're really good for them. [1723.84] Jack: The thing is right I've got a load of 5x4 props. [1727.84] Tony: Give them away in a competition. [1729.84] Tony: Or to me. [1730.84] Tony: Yeah. [1731.84] Tony: Oh. [1732.84] Tony: Sell them to Niko. [1733.84] Tony: Yeah. [1734.84] Tony: Because now you've got these new engines on there which. [1738.84] Jack: Don't work. [1740.84] Jack: And I've got no low pass filter because I cut it off. [1745.84] Tony: Why did you do that. [1747.84] Jack: In anger. [1748.84] Jack: Don't look back in anger. [1750.84] Jack: I've got issues. [1752.84] Jack: I hope so. [1753.84] Jack: I've got. [1754.84] Jack: Oh here we go. [1756.84] Jack: Issues. [1758.84] Jack: Issues I've got. [1760.84] Jack: Minimum micro OSD. [1762.84] Jack: Micro Min. [1763.84] Jack: Or whatever however they put it. [1765.84] Jack: If it ain't the GUI and the Java not working. [1767.84] Jack: That's annoying me. [1769.84] Jack: I found the correct pin out for the telemetry. [1772.84] Jack: And it changes every five minutes. [1774.84] Jack: And I plug it all in together. [1775.84] Jack: Now my telemetry doesn't work. [1777.84] Jack: It's weird. [1778.84] Jack: I'm thinking maybe soft serial might be the answer. [1781.84] Jack: Might be. [1783.84] Jae: I think you need to start reading the C list again at some point. [1787.84] Jack: Oh. [1788.84] Jack: Oh yeah. [1789.84] Jack: Mr. [1790.84] Jack: I've got anywhere. [1791.84] Jack: Mr. [1792.84] Jack: Start reading off DGI stuff. [1795.84] Jack: I know. [1796.84] Jack: I know. [1797.84] Jack: We're all guilty. [1798.84] Jack: Draining on onto the next section. [1800.84] Jack: You're listening to. [1801.84] Jack: Let's moan out. [1802.84] Jack: Sorry. [1806.84] Jack: Tony I'm doing a successful job in ruining your life. [1809.84] Jack: Not only winding you up but everyone else. [1811.84] Jack: Okay. [1812.84] Jack: How about this. [1813.84] Jack: I was on faceballs. [1814.84] Jack: Jay. [1815.84] Jack: Am I allowed to say faceballs. [1816.84] Jack: Balls is not really a swear word. [1818.84] Jack: Ball ball ball. [1819.84] Jack: You throw them at dogs. [1820.84] Jack: You have them. [1821.84] Jack: Often slang term to refer to testicles. [1824.84] Jae: Put your face on a ball and give it to Tony. [1826.84] Jae: Oh no. [1827.84] Jae: No. [1828.84] Jae: No. [1829.84] Jae: No. [1830.84] Jae: No. [1831.84] Jack: It won't be a lovely relationship. [1832.84] Tony: Jump up and down on it. [1833.84] Tony: Tonight. [1834.84] Jack: I'm sorry Tony. [1835.84] Jack: I'm sorry Tony's. [1836.84] Jack: Yeah. [1837.84] Jack: I'm sorry everyone. [1838.84] Jack: I'm sure I haven't had that faceballed faceball yet. [1843.84] Jack: I'm the A hole. [1845.84] Jack: Yeah. [1846.84] Jack: I was reading faceballs and Oscar Lang put up a new who are about something called multi-shot. [1854.84] Jack: And we all need to run F3 or F4. [1858.84] Jack: Yeah. [1859.84] Tony: Dan was saying about that last night. [1861.84] Tony: Didn't really get it. [1862.84] Tony: Runs multiple loop times. [1865.84] Niko: Went over my head. [1866.84] Tony: 30. [1867.84] Jack: Loop times are 30. [1868.84] Jack: A 30. [1869.84] Tony: Well that's really stupidly too low isn't it? [1873.84] UNKNOWN: Well no. [1874.84] Jack: Low is good. [1875.84] Jack: It means it's doing stuff faster. [1877.84] Jack: Jay help me. [1878.84] Jack: Help me explain this. [1880.84] Tony: I thought more gravity runs 2000. [1887.59] Niko: Basically it's like counting from 1 to 30. [1891.59] Niko: Instead of for example counting from 1 to 100. [1894.59] Jae: Talking over Jay. [1895.59] Jae: Sorry. [1896.59] Jae: That's alright. [1897.59] Jae: To be honest I don't know but. [1900.59] Jack: It wasn't much of an explanation on RC Forum either. [1905.59] Jae: No. [1906.59] Jae: No? [1907.59] Jae: I hadn't talked about it but if it's a time thing like if it's 30 nanoseconds whatever [1912.59] Jae: it is to get to the back to clocking what speed it's going in there. [1916.35] Jae: So it's in its cycle so it knows what it's doing again. [1919.59] Jack: Tony started dribbling. [1921.59] Jae: That's when it can send a new command to the ESC because it's obviously got an input and [1925.59] Jae: it works out what it's doing and then sends another output to the ESC to say go up a bit. [1929.59] Jae: And you want a lower amount of time before it checks each one again. [1932.59] Jae: So I guess it could be correlating to that. [1935.59] Jae: But I have to do some research. [1937.59] Jae: Maybe next week I can tell you more. [1939.59] Jack: Tony's rolling on the floor twitching. [1943.59] Tony: When I made mine lower it was worse. [1949.59] Tony: It flew worse. [1951.59] Jae: But I suppose is that the loop time? [1953.59] Jae: Yeah loop time. [1954.59] Tony: I'd lower my loop time and my fly it was sloppy really. [1959.59] Tony: I mean I like it flowy when I fly my quad but it was sloppy. [1964.59] Jae: I'm completely wrong so I'd like to look into it a bit more. [1968.59] Jae: So you have to be running an F3 or an F4 chip to run it. [1974.59] Jae: But that could be because they're going to be a faster clock speed than the other ones. [1978.59] Jack: I'd just like to point out he did say clock. [1982.59] Jae: Did he? [1983.59] Tony: Not penis. [1986.59] Jae: If you have a faster processor you can process everything faster. [1990.59] Jae: It's simple. [1991.59] Jae: And so the clock speed sets how fast the processor cycle sets. [1994.59] Tony: We do apologise. [1995.59] Tony: Jay is from Australia and it sounds like he's saying ****. [2001.59] Tony: What? [2002.59] Jack: He can get away with saying cock because it's in cockrops. [2005.59] Tony: That is exactly what we meant. [2007.59] Jae: I get all Australian again and I was just trying to explain the clock speed. [2013.59] Tony: Jesus. [2015.59] Jae: Yeah so it'll be the clock speed then. [2020.59] Jae: But then a lower number is not better. [2022.59] Jae: So I don't know what this study relates to that you've seen. [2026.59] Jae: Does anyone know? [2027.59] Tony: Can anyone ringing and tell us what it means? [2030.59] Jack: Well if you read the chat Baron von Rijt says F4 processors and F390. [2038.59] Jack: Is anyone still with us? [2041.59] Jack: Processors for the ESC or something. [2044.59] Jack: One shot can only go up to 2000kHz refresh rate. [2049.59] Jack: Would you like to come on the show and take over? [2057.0] Jack: Come on Skype. [2059.0] Jack: As for loop time, lower is better. [2062.0] Jack: Not for me. [2065.0] Jae: Can everything keep up with a lower loop time? [2068.0] Jae: If it can't keep up with a lower loop time sometimes you have to have a loop time set higher. [2072.0] Jae: So it can clock everything in order in the right time. [2076.0] Jack: Well I'm trolling Oscar's thing and apparently Tattoo Plus got new batteries out. [2084.0] Jack: Tayoo, Tattoo and also there's a new Runcam V2. [2090.0] Jack: Sneaky peak at 1080p, 60 frames per second, finally here. [2095.0] Jack: Looks nice guys. [2098.0] Jack: Is it? [2099.0] Jack: I'll put an image of it on... [2101.0] Jack: Let's have a look. [2102.0] Jack: I'll give it to whispers actually. [2105.0] Jack: No, it's Oscar's website. [2107.0] Jack: Looks really spacey. [2109.0] Jack: Check that out. [2110.0] Jack: It's got a lens protector on it. [2112.0] Jack: Runcam nice and font. [2114.0] Jack: Little blue ring. [2115.0] Jack: Kind of reminds me of the old... [2118.0] Jack: Yowmi blue ring. [2121.0] Tony: I like that on the Yowmi. [2123.0] Jack: And the lens is in the middle. [2126.0] Jack: Well done. [2127.0] Jack: Yeah, that looks... [2128.0] Jack: 492g apparently. [2131.0] Jae: But at what cost? [2137.28] Jack: That's my sound of my brain exploding. [2141.72] Jack: Recording time around 60 minutes, unconfirmed. [2144.72] Jack: 49g including battery. [2146.72] Jack: 1080p, 60 frames per second and 720, 120 frames per second. [2153.72] Jack: Oscar gives it a, oh yeah, finally in the brackets. [2157.72] Jack: Go on, you say that. [2158.72] Jack: Oh yeah, finally. [2159.72] Tony: Oh yeah, finally. [2162.72] Jack: Now, really enthusiastic. [2164.72] Jack: Remember, you can't get batteries from Radio Stick. [2170.72] Jack: The recommended 1800 by Tony. [2173.72] Jack: Tone star. [2175.72] Jack: Tone star. [2176.72] Jae: But you could power externally as well. [2179.72] Jae: And it says possibly up to four cell. [2182.72] Jae: So you should never need a battery. [2184.72] Jack: Video out compatible. [2186.72] Jack: So that's one up on the old GoPro. [2188.72] Jack: Comes with lens hood. [2190.72] Tony: Turns out they've done their own work. [2194.09] Jack: Yeah, well done. [2196.09] Jack: Well done for actually listening to Community. [2198.09] Jack: You'll be the next Taranis. [2200.09] Jack: Basically. [2202.09] Tony: Just run Ken on the sponsor us. [2205.09] Jack: Oh, that's... [2207.09] Jack: Oh well, there you go. [2210.09] Jack: Tony, interesting fact about you. [2213.09] Tony: Now. [2214.09] Jack: What? [2215.09] Tony: I don't know. [2216.09] Tony: I'm actually younger than I look. [2219.09] Tony: You've got to go. [2222.09] Tony: Jack's put me, blooming profile up at the NEC. [2226.09] Tony: As 43 year old idiot. [2228.09] Jack: Two. [2229.09] Jack: Two. [2230.09] Jack: Two. [2231.09] Jack: 42 year old. [2232.09] Jack: I saw my opportunity. [2235.09] Jack: And I saw it like you threw an air gate. [2239.09] Jack: And I flew through it flawlessly. [2241.09] Jack: Clicked the aerial and did a back flip. [2244.09] Tony: Apparently it's going to be on a big image come up. [2247.09] Tony: And you go, Tony's doing me going, hello. [2250.09] Tony: And then it'll say age 93. [2253.09] Tony: Great. [2255.09] Jack: I could have wrote anything. [2257.09] Jack: I could have like... [2258.09] Jack: Are you lucky? [2259.09] Tony: You probably have. [2260.09] Jack: I haven't. [2262.09] Jack: You didn't give the right information anyway. [2264.09] Jack: I made sure that it was in the ballpark. [2267.09] Jack: All except the age. [2269.09] Jack: You are not going to talk to me from the whole of the NEC. [2272.09] Jack: What's happened to us? [2274.09] Jack: This quad has come between us. [2276.09] Tony: I'm sorry. [2277.09] Tony: Is this QAV? [2278.09] Tony: 1960 by 203,000 kV. [2282.09] Jack: Yeah. [2283.09] Jack: A few people got the 180 now. [2285.09] Jack: Do you reckon it's the new 250? [2287.09] Tony: Yeah. [2288.09] Tony: I think quite a lot of people are getting them now. [2290.09] Jae: Well, as batteries get better and motors get better. [2292.09] Jae: Because motors were migrating from bigger quads down. [2296.09] Jae: So now that motors development has got better, [2298.09] Jae: I think they're going to actually take off a lot quicker. [2300.09] Jae: Bah! [2301.09] Jae: Sorry about the pun. [2303.09] Jae: Yeah. [2304.09] Jae: They're going to be good. [2305.09] Tony: The one time I have flown it is really quick. [2310.09] Tony: Even on the 4-inch props. [2312.09] Tony: Like mental. [2314.09] Tony: It's like a gnat on Pete. [2316.09] Tony: He is fast. [2318.09] Jae: It's kind of strange because people are applying habitat to race. [2322.09] Jae: Because they're smaller, they're indoor. [2324.09] Jae: But at some point they're going to meet in the middle. [2326.09] Jae: And there's going to be something about a palm size that is the optimum. [2329.09] Jack: I think Dan Upton's got a solution. [2332.09] Jack: Just saying. [2335.37] Jack: Just saying. [2336.37] Jack: Just saying. [2337.37] Jack: 1.80s? [2338.37] Jack: Yeah. [2339.37] Jack: Well, no. [2340.37] Jack: Clean flight and 3D printed bodies. [2342.37] Niko: Oscar put a post about it. [2344.37] Niko: Yeah. [2345.37] Jack: I can look for the post. [2347.37] Jack: He was flying around his room. [2348.37] Jack: Dan was flying. [2349.37] Jack: I thought that really was his kitchen sink. [2352.37] Jack: Oh, the hilarity. [2354.37] Niko: So basically, in the end, [2356.37] Niko: the Hubson is going to become just a real legit quad. [2361.37] Niko: It is a real quad. [2362.37] Niko: I know. [2363.37] Niko: It exists. [2364.37] Niko: I know it is. [2365.37] Niko: But I mean, they're going to become racing quality. [2368.37] Jae: Well, no. [2369.37] Jae: I mean, people did it because it was something small that they could fly indoors that they [2372.37] Jae: could race in any sort of weather. [2374.37] Jae: And over it makes space in Cambridge. [2376.37] Jae: They've done that a few times. [2378.37] Jae: If they're going to become palm sized. [2380.37] Jae: People want to fly in the houses. [2381.37] Jae: And you need something around that size to fly through a house or smaller areas. [2385.37] Jae: And so it opens up more opportunities for flying. [2388.37] Jae: And FPV'd, it's going to be fun, small, and fly through trees. [2393.37] Jae: You know, there's much more opportunities once they get to a smaller size for impressive [2398.37] Jae: looking video and all sorts. [2400.37] Tony: That Nano quad was on Kickstarter, got 2.3 million. [2408.37] Niko: Is that the one where it comes with a little pod on the transmitter and you pop it open [2414.37] Niko: and it's just you just kick it out? [2416.37] Tony: I think so. [2417.37] Tony: It was supposed to fly and record you and follow you and things like that. [2421.37] Tony: Apparently it's really, really, really bad and doesn't do anything that it was supposed to. [2429.37] Jae: Really? [2430.37] Jae: Because they're still sending them out. [2432.37] Jae: I know, they are. [2433.37] Tony: They're sending them out to customers but they don't record in high definition. [2437.37] Tony: They only last about three seconds. [2439.37] Tony: Don't quote me on that. [2440.37] Tony: And they just are not flying very well. [2443.37] Tony: No follow me modes and people are getting really peed off. [2446.37] Tony: And I think the manager of the CEO has left because he's just so disappointed. [2452.37] Tony: What? [2453.37] Tony: 2.3 million and they couldn't even do it. [2455.37] Tony: What? [2456.37] Tony: What? [2457.37] Tony: I'm lost. [2458.37] Tony: Kickstarter, I thought. [2459.37] Tony: It's called the Xeno or something, isn't it? [2461.37] Tony: Yeah, Xeno Nano quad thing. [2463.37] Jae: Yeah, Xeno, I think, Z-A-N-O. [2466.37] Jack: Because Gabe was like, cough, cough. [2468.37] Jack: Did you just say that? [2469.37] Jack: Rotex, atom. [2471.37] Niko: Absolutely ghosty and I think. [2473.37] Niko: That was just a light. [2475.37] Tony: It might have been that all the time. [2477.37] Jack: I've had a broadcast from Daniel Upton. [2480.37] Jack: Okay, let's see. [2481.37] Jack: Whispers, there's a link in the chat for you. [2484.37] Jack: He's the guy who's creating the mini mini mini mini quads. [2489.37] Jack: They're slightly bigger than the Hubson and fly a bit better. [2495.37] Jack: Daniel has said or oi Dan as I lovingly call him. [2501.37] Jack: The trains have messed up, still in London. [2503.37] Jack: I'll see what time I get back. [2505.37] Jack: It might still be okay. [2506.37] Jack: That's the wrong text. [2508.37] Jack: It means you can run at FC and ESC at eight kilohertz and they're synced with the gyro. [2519.37] Jack: But the MPU needs to be SPI designed for on the SPRF3 as that hazard IC2 MPU. [2535.37] Jack: IC2 microprocessor unit, I don't know. [2538.37] Tony: Is that how Dan's supposed to sound? [2540.37] Jack: Well, no, it just sounds technical and chisel-whizzle. [2543.37] Jack: Did you understand any of that? [2545.37] Jae: No, not really. [2546.37] Jae: I didn't understand any of that. [2547.37] Jack: It means you can run at FC and ESCs at eight kilohertz and synced with the gyro. [2556.37] Jack: But the MPU needs to be SPI. [2560.37] Jack: Design fail on the seriously pro RF3, I think. [2568.37] Jack: Is that seriously pro F3? [2570.37] Jack: That has an I2C MPU. [2577.37] Tony: There's the picture of the nano-cod we were talking about in the stream. [2583.37] Jack: Eight kilohertz is a 125 lute time, apparently. [2588.37] Tony: I don't get any of it. Just let me fly. [2591.37] Jack: Is it hurting your brain? [2592.37] Tony: Yeah, I don't care about all this, loop this, loop that, nano this, nano that. [2597.37] Tony: Let's just go out and do some flying with some old-school stuff. [2600.37] Jack: Yeah, because we're doing it really well without you waving. [2605.37] Jack: I'd just like to point that out. [2606.37] Jack: Oh, dear. [2607.37] Jack: It might be the best thing ever, mixing your KV. [2609.37] Jack: We might be on to something. [2610.37] Jack: I don't know. [2611.37] Jack: Do you want to give it a go for a laugh? [2613.37] Tony: I just think it will topple over or something. [2616.37] Tony: You just do flips on its own. [2618.37] Tony: Where would you put the KV, the 23 KV at the back or front? [2624.37] Tony: Anyone? [2625.37] Tony: Jay? [2626.37] Tony: Where would you rather have your 23,000 KV? [2630.37] Jae: Probably at the back, actually, if you're flying it forward. [2632.37] Jae: Cheers, whispers. [2634.37] Jae: Yeah, if you're going to constantly fly it forward, just try it at the back. [2637.37] Jae: You're going to try it. [2638.37] Jae: You should try it and document it and film it. [2642.37] Jack: Any final words, people? [2644.37] Jack: We're at the 59-minute mark. [2647.37] Jack: Are we friends still or have I ruined your life? [2649.37] Niko: You better make up or I'm just going to grab your heads and make you kiss. [2652.37] Jack: I've got no problem with him. [2653.37] Jack: He's just a complete annoyance. [2656.37] Jack: And the worst part is he knows it. [2659.37] Jack: Shut up. [2662.37] Jack: That's my last word. [2664.37] Jack: Shut up. [2665.37] Jack: I've wind him up. [2666.37] Jack: Oh, no. [2667.37] Jack: What's it like being stuck on a radio show with someone you don't like anymore? [2671.37] Niko: I'm really sorry. [2673.37] Niko: But, yeah, this time of year it's all about finding the time and the weather to fly. [2677.37] Jack: Oh, yeah, that's rich coming from Mr. Fishyman over here. [2680.37] Jack: I haven't been in more than two and a half weeks, so... [2683.37] Jack: Good. [2684.37] Jack: Well, people, you've been listening to Let's Throw Now. [2687.37] Jack: Thank you. [2689.37] Jack: You've been joined by on the internet. [2692.37] Jack: Chipko. [2693.37] Jack: And you've been joined by the faithful band servant. [2696.37] Jack: Nico. [2697.37] Jack: Pedro Life, mate. [2699.37] Tony: Tone star. [2700.37] Tony: Unhappy. [2701.37] Jack: As if. [2702.37] Jack: And the almighty number one. [2706.37] Jack: D-H-A-H. [2709.37] Jack: S-O-B. [2711.37] Jack: Jack, brighten till I fly. [2714.37] Jack: Send your hate mail to brighten till I fly. [2719.37] Jack: Noted. [2720.37] Jack: At gmail.com. [2721.37] Jack: Take care. [2722.37] Jack: Stay in the sky. [2723.37] Tony: See you, everybody. [2724.37] Tony: Thanks for listening. [2725.37] Jack: Be safe. [2726.37] Jack: Charge your batteries. [2727.37] Niko: Don't be on fire. [2728.37] Niko: No. [2729.37] Niko: Yeah, don't be on fire. [2730.37] Niko: Fire extinguisher ready.