=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 27 ===
Title: Episode 27 Let's drone out with Painless360
Recorded: 2016-03-03
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Jae "Chipko", Adam Juniper, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): Lee "Painless360" Schofield
Total audience: 2,236
Platforms: SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/251435593-letsdroneout-27-lets-drone-out-with-painless360.mp3)
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We have on one of the best FPV Gurus if you ever couldn't get your naze to work, the answers is in one of his videos. unless you bricked it!

[0.0] Jae: This podcast is sponsored by Radio C, number one for all your drone-related needs.
[4.48] Jae: Pay them a visit at RadioC.co.uk and use the promo code LEO for 5% off your order
[10.0] Jack: and free shipping on orders over £80.
[30.0] Jae: Yeah, well, let's learn out.
[32.0] Jack: And we're joined by the usual crew over the internet via Skype.
[36.64] Jack: We are joined by the Aussie favourite, the cheery man.
[39.92] Adam: Ah, yeah, that's me, Chipco, hell of a wall.
[42.4] Jack: Don't forget, Chipco's got his first show up.
[44.8] Adam: Well, I hope you've been listening to this show over the years for technical tips.
[47.92] Jack: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[49.92] Jack: Do the opposite of what we do.
[51.28] Adam: And I'd do something.
[53.12] Jack: So that sarky comment was from our lovable big man, good luck with your bean up.
[57.92] Adam: Thank you very much. It's Adam Juniper in London.
[60.48] Jack: And last but not least, my favourite, the good old happy-go-lucky tonestal one.
[68.4] Tony: Hey, what's up loads?
[71.04] Jack: So, painless. How are you doing? And welcome to the show.
[74.4] Lee: I'm doing very well. Thanks for the invitation.
[76.48] Lee: It's nice to talk to you again, Jack. How are you?
[78.56] Jack: Yeah, it's fine. I need to say a massive thank you to you because two days ago,
[84.8] Jack: something showed up in my door that was very lovely and it is a KISS flight controller,
[89.84] Jack: KISS ESCs and that weird KISS board that you mount your ESCs on.
[94.32] Jack: So, friends in high places, thank you. You've improved my life.
[98.8] Jack: It's like hanging around with a celebrity. Just, you know, he can make stuff happen.
[103.2] Lee: But that's all down to the fly-drino boys. I just made the introduction.
[108.48] Lee: After the show, I'll give you a clue. I think I've finally found a frame that it'll fit in well.
[112.56] Jack: Ah, I'm looking forward to that because I sent you a little bit of a red herring.
[117.68] Jack: But I thought, you know, that's big enough.
[119.84] Jack: But yeah, a big thank you to Felix and Paul from Fly-drino.
[125.44] Jack: They're awesome guys and great customer service.
[128.08] Jack: And Oscar Lang on Oscar Lang's blog, he gave them a wicked review as well.
[134.08] Jack: So, it doesn't appear to be any more fires. KISS is safe.
[138.56] Jack: Everyone's very happy.
[140.24] Jack: And Mr. Steele might be right. Maybe your flight controller can do what the nays-32 can't.
[147.36] Jack: Please don't hurt me, Hydra. Hydra, that's it. Hydra's never coming on again.
[151.6] Jack: Laura will come on, maybe if we ask her.
[157.68] Lee: I think you can talk to Hydra now and ask him what clean flight should be running on.
[161.12] Lee: I don't think his answer would be a nays anymore.
[163.52] Jack: Yeah, yeah, true. I know.
[166.16] Jack: What is your favorite board, anyway, at the moment?
[168.32] Jack: If you were going to be like, right, what's the safe bet on a flight controller?
[174.03] Lee: That's a really tricky question.
[175.23] Lee: It's what we get asked a lot.
[176.43] Lee: I actually have a hidden video that I put together specifically when I get this question.
[181.47] Lee: Because it's kind of like asking, you know, what your favorite food is.
[185.23] Lee: And it kind of depends on the day that you ask.
[187.63] Lee: Because some people want an out and out racing board.
[190.11] Lee: Some people want GPS capability.
[192.75] Lee: Some people want it really easy to set up.
[194.91] Lee: I mean, we were spoilt a little bit in the hobby right now
[198.51] Lee: in that we have so many choices, and no one single board can do everything.
[205.31] Lee: So it's really very down to what the pilot wants to do,
[209.47] Lee: how comfortable the builder is actually making their multirotor,
[213.39] Lee: and how expandable they want it to be.
[216.43] Lee: So for a newbie, for example, you know, I still put them towards CC3Ds and Libra pilot.
[222.35] Lee: And I know a lot of people, you know, are not big fans of the CC3D,
[225.95] Lee: but things like Setup Wizard for it is absolutely great.
[229.71] Lee: And it's very difficult, not impossible, but very difficult
[233.31] Lee: to really get it wrong when you're setting up a CC3D.
[237.55] Lee: If you want a good clean flight board, you know, there are hundreds of STM32F3 based
[243.79] Lee: flight controllers now.
[244.83] Lee: So you've got, you know, you've got the stuff, the Hydra, the SP3,
[248.19] Lee: you've got the new SP3 mini that we're playing with here.
[251.55] Lee: We've got, you've got the Calibri, you've got the Dodo,
[254.43] Lee: there's loads of them out there.
[255.63] Lee: And they're really great platforms.
[257.39] Lee: You've also got the Nasi32, which is cheap as chips, literally.
[261.87] Lee: And then you've got the more interesting open source boards.
[268.11] Lee: You've got the old APM, which is a bit long in the tooth,
[271.63] Lee: but actually still flies really well.
[273.95] Lee: You're never going to put it in a racer, but if you want a really stable craft
[277.55] Lee: and you want it cheaper and cheerful, then that's great.
[280.35] Lee: And then you've got things like the PixHawk and the PixRacer.
[283.87] Lee: For those people that want, you know, full 32 bit FMUV4 based flight controllers
[289.47] Lee: with all the gadgets.
[290.91] Lee: So I don't think there's one flight controller that can do everything yet.
[296.59] Lee: So my favorite flight controller is usually the last one we've done a series on.
[302.43] Jack: The one that you're most familiar with.
[304.83] Lee: Yeah, the one that I'm really comfortable with.
[307.31] Lee: And I've spent the last three weeks of my life getting the covers on.
[310.59] Lee: And then three weeks later, it'll be something else.
[313.87] Jack: Do you have, I suffer with that, where, like, you know,
[317.39] Jack: you've been trying to figure something out, something out, you know,
[320.43] Jack: you go to sleep and all of a sudden, 3 a.m., wake up.
[323.71] Jack: Oh, yeah, I haven't tried that, you know, and stuff like that.
[328.19] Jae: We do that hours and hours at night, late night, trying to fix it
[331.95] Jae: and then going to sleep the next morning in five seconds.
[334.67] Jae: Yeah, yeah, probably a few painless videos.
[339.79] Lee: It sometimes happens.
[341.23] Lee: Sometimes, I mean, we tend to do a lot of the production stuff in the morning.
[346.11] Lee: Just because that's the way the lights better, where we shoot the videos,
[348.99] Lee: just the way it works.
[351.39] Lee: And you're right, you tend to go to sleep with a problem in your head.
[355.47] Lee: And then you'll wake up the following morning and it'll just be there.
[358.75] Lee: An example is we did a subscriber request recently for setting up
[364.19] Lee: crow mixes on the Toronto's radio.
[366.75] Lee: And it was one of those, we got some really wonderful questions from subscribers,
[370.67] Lee: which is great because a lot of the time,
[372.75] Lee: we don't know what we're going to be doing on the channel.
[374.67] Lee: And the subscribers are never sure of giving us something to do.
[378.35] Lee: And somebody said, how do you do a crow mix?
[381.07] Lee: So I sat with the radio and I goofed around with it.
[383.71] Lee: And, you know, we got a video together and we put it up and lots of people said,
[387.95] Lee: that's great.
[388.83] Lee: And then afterwards, I was thinking, well, what I'd really like to do is have
[392.83] Lee: the control surfaces move very slowly and wouldn't it be good if you could?
[397.15] Lee: How about so then I couldn't figure it out.
[400.27] Lee: I played with the trials again for another 15 minutes,
[403.39] Lee: then 45 minutes, then two hours, and eventually thought,
[406.19] Lee: oh, I can't make this work.
[407.39] Lee: It doesn't make sense.
[408.75] Lee: And then the following morning got up, kind of sat down at the bench,
[413.39] Lee: picked it up and thought, I wonder.
[415.31] Lee: And 15 minutes later, I had it all working and was starting to shoot the video.
[418.75] Lee: And that's one way you could do with the settings.
[420.75] Lee: And yeah, it does.
[421.55] Lee: It sometimes works like that.
[423.95] Lee: And I know one of the questions that we've had is about, you know,
[426.43] Lee: what do I do when I get stuck?
[428.59] Lee: And it's an interesting one, because just like we were talking before
[432.59] Lee: we started recording the show, a lot of the information and answers
[437.07] Lee: that we cover on the channel is actually already out there in the public domain.
[442.35] Lee: The challenge sometimes is that it can be tricky to find.
[446.35] Lee: It's either buried in a forum somewhere, or it's, you know, in a small print in a manual.
[452.75] Lee: Or it's in a place where the truth is there,
[456.35] Lee: but it's surrounded, particularly in forums, it's surrounded by contradictory information.
[460.99] Lee: So if you're a new pilot, you know, you're not sure which poster to believe.
[466.43] Lee: Or if you're very new pilot, sometimes you're not even sure what
[469.71] Lee: you're supposed to be searching for.
[471.63] Lee: If you have an error that comes up on, you know, on a ground station or a graphical user interface,
[476.03] Lee: if you Google that, you'll usually find a clue as what's going on.
[479.31] Lee: But if you're brand new and it just doesn't work, like your craft flips over when you take off,
[485.23] Lee: you know, that's one that we did a video for because I had so many pilots that would spend
[490.19] Lee: several evenings building their first quadcopter, and then smash it to pieces
[494.67] Lee: as soon as they tried to take off in the back garden.
[496.99] Lee: And I'll put my hand up I've done that twice as well.
[499.15] Lee: And that's five or six things that it's possibly going to be.
[502.91] Lee: But I mean, that I think is quite tricky for people when they're trying to find things out.
[507.71] Lee: And for me, if I'm stuck, then it's usually me in the Google search engine,
[513.15] Lee: will probably spend a good 45 minutes or an hour researching.
[516.27] Lee: And if I get really stuck, then I'll usually send a very polite, nice worded email to the manufacturer.
[522.83] Lee: And nine times out of 10, those guys are great.
[525.07] Lee: They'll come back to you and kind of explain and try and help and source it out.
[531.49] Jae: I think that's probably more of an issue when it gets to open source things.
[534.69] Jae: I mean, I recently built an APM board, a little flying machine,
[539.09] Jae: mostly thanks to your help in your series, because it was very helpful.
[541.57] Jae: But it was the GPS, as in there's so many different variants of a GPS
[545.57] Jae: and trying to find the information that's specific to the one I had.
[549.33] Jae: Whereas, and I think that's the key, isn't it?
[551.49] Jae: Trying to find the right information for the right thing you have at the right time,
[554.45] Jae: at the right place.
[555.73] Jae: But that's where I suppose your videos have helped massively to the whole community.
[559.17] Jae: So yeah.
[561.57] Lee: Yeah, well, thank you for that, because we did start out just trying to make it easier.
[569.25] Lee: I mean, as it's worked out, the names kind of become to stand for something.
[575.33] Lee: If I was starting out now, I would probably call the channel something more useful,
[580.37] Lee: like EZRC or something, you know, that's probably already out there.
[583.81] Lee: But it's something that if you found it on YouTube, you'll know what it's all about.
[588.85] Lee: But when we first started out, it was to actually help those people on RC groups
[593.57] Lee: and those forums and places like Heliguy and those guys,
[596.85] Lee: they used to be very active on those forums as well.
[599.25] Lee: And there used to be a lot of the same questions that came up frequently.
[603.17] Lee: And it was usually from the pilots, you know,
[606.37] Lee: then the builders who were doing their first builds.
[608.85] Lee: And there were several gotchas that we'd all fall into.
[611.25] Lee: And I did the same thing.
[613.09] Lee: When I started out, there was a great guy called Finlas Bob,
[616.37] Lee: who did video series, not on YouTube.
[619.33] Lee: I think they were available through RC groups.
[621.89] Lee: And I built my first couple of T-Rex 450 helicopters,
[626.13] Lee: sat with his video playing on my PC on my desk.
[630.85] Lee: And in front of me was, you know, a thousand different bits of helicopter.
[634.93] Lee: And I'd watch the video and I'd pause it and then I'd do that bit and then play the video.
[639.89] Lee: And I really learned a lot from that.
[642.13] Lee: So what I wanted to do was for those people that I kept bumping into the forums,
[646.13] Lee: after the sixth or seventh time answering the same question,
[649.09] Lee: I thought, well, this is obviously something that people don't understand.
[652.77] Lee: I'll make a quick little video.
[654.21] Lee: So the next time I find this question, rather than me type,
[657.49] Lee: try and find the last time I answered it and find all the text,
[660.69] Lee: I'll just direct them to the video.
[663.57] Lee: Because a lot of people, me included,
[666.29] Lee: I learned better from watching somebody do it than reading the manual.
[669.89] Jack: No way. Good old painless 360 monkey see monkey do.
[675.41] Jack: How the tides have changed.
[678.53] Adam: It's so true.
[679.25] Adam: It's such a good medium for learning the basics.
[682.37] Adam: Yeah.
[682.85] Adam: And the other thing that you're saying about forums being
[686.77] Adam: such a minefield of conflicting, fighting information,
[689.97] Adam: and quite off-putting to someone getting started is completely true as well.
[693.81] Adam: It's great to have a face that you can connect with and watch and pause, crucially.
[700.85] Lee: Well, it's nice now because I actually have people who,
[704.61] Lee: when they finished and they successfully got it flying,
[707.09] Lee: will send me photos of them building their quadcopter.
[710.61] Lee: And it's really funny because they're sat there with their laptop open
[714.05] Lee: at one side of the desk with my video running.
[716.53] Lee: And they've got like the Minimo SD or whatever it is they're configuring
[719.73] Lee: in front of them at the same time watching the video.
[722.53] Lee: And it just, it takes me immediately back to 2000, 2007, 2008, when I was doing it.
[728.13] Lee: And it's kind of, it's very odd to be the one on the screen rather than the one,
[733.97] Lee: you know, with the screwdriver and the thread lock,
[736.13] Lee: trying to figure out how this helicopter head went together.
[739.81] Adam: Because I did my first big build, and hello to Fab, who sold me the bits,
[745.09] Adam: was a Tarot Hex from Kit.
[748.69] Adam: You know, really quite ambitious because I wanted to do videography, not racing.
[754.85] Adam: And no one told me about thread lock.
[758.85] Adam: So it flew fine.
[760.85] Adam: It was perfect.
[761.65] Adam: First time flew wonderfully for a bit until eventually it threw a bit off and then crashed.
[766.77] Jack: Oh, no.
[767.65] Lee: Yeah, these multirotors don't glide for toffee, do they?
[770.93] Lee: No, that's it.
[771.89] Jack: No, no glides.
[773.01] Jack: Let's go.
[774.37] Jae: You know, there's one question that a lot of new fires don't actually seem to ask,
[777.73] Jae: and that how do I fly?
[779.17] Jae: And yet I was pleasantly surprised when I came across the system you used,
[783.17] Jae: I believe, playing this when you first started flying helicopters,
[785.81] Jae: which I think is lost at the moment.
[787.65] Jae: People think that these things, you know, they have stabilization,
[790.05] Jae: they're easy to fly, you learn forwards, backwards, yaw.
[793.01] Jae: But actually, there's probably more to that than flying a multirotor.
[796.61] Jae: And the system you use, do you want to just talk about that one?
[799.33] Jae: Because I think that's relevant to a lot of flyers out there that are just starting out.
[803.01] Lee: The RAP system, is it?
[805.09] Lee: Well, it's based, yeah, the program that I've used is based on RADS with two Ds.
[809.97] Lee: Anyone out there that hasn't seen RADS, and again, it's a bit of a lost art.
[814.77] Lee: If you Google RADS school of rotary flight, you'll find it.
[818.61] Lee: And when I first started flying fixed pitch helicopters,
[824.61] Lee: it was a little Walcare honeybee or something like that.
[829.01] Lee: I'm showing my age now, but when I was trying to fly it,
[833.73] Lee: without stabilization or anything, it was really, really hard work.
[837.65] Lee: And somebody, again, in the forum said, oh, follow RADS school of rotary flight.
[842.77] Lee: And it was fantastic.
[844.05] Lee: You know, I took chunks out of most of the cabinets in the kitchen
[847.49] Lee: because it was the only tiled floor in the house as I was scooting it around.
[850.45] Lee: And, you know, I eventually got to the point where I could hover it.
[854.77] Lee: And it probably took me a couple of months to get to the point where I could hover it
[859.01] Lee: without thinking unconsciously.
[862.61] Lee: But there is a little bit of a danger, I think, these days where,
[867.33] Lee: because of all of the help that you get with the multirotors, with self-level,
[872.21] Lee: the return to home, the other bits and pieces,
[874.37] Lee: that some pilots aren't learning to fly the craft properly
[879.65] Lee: and are relying on all these aids.
[881.73] Lee: And the problem is, is if one of these aids, and we all know, you know,
[884.93] Lee: this isn't military grade tech we're using here.
[887.41] Lee: This is, you know, this is open source hobby grade stuff.
[890.21] Lee: If one of those little things goes wrong, they're snooker.
[893.73] Lee: So, you know, being able to hover in all orientations,
[897.73] Lee: you know, being able to figure out which way the quads pointing when you're flying
[903.49] Lee: is kind of really important.
[906.29] Lee: And, you know, I was actually helping a guy over in Greece
[909.49] Lee: who was building his own quadcopter.
[912.05] Lee: He was building a hex copter with a camera underneath.
[914.61] Lee: And what he wanted to do was overfly, have a little business,
[918.05] Lee: overflying the hotels out there for their promotional videos.
[922.69] Lee: So he was building one and it was doing it with an APM.
[925.41] Lee: And he was trying to figure out with his Taranas
[927.17] Lee: how we did the mixing for the gimbal and a fantastic couple of calls that we had with him.
[931.81] Lee: But his friend went out and bought a DJI thing with all of the help.
[936.53] Lee: And and within a couple of hours was out flying over the top of hotels doing video,
[944.05] Lee: which is which is great.
[945.41] Lee: And a real testament to how easy DJI have made it until something goes wrong.
[951.01] Lee: And then I think, you know, then if you've got to fly it back manually without all the help,
[955.65] Lee: then, you know, potentially you've got a whirling blades of death,
[960.61] Lee: you know, flying out, falling out the sky and potentially going to hurt people, pets or property.
[965.25] Lee: And I think that's sometimes, you know, that that is one thing that gets me a little bit worried
[969.97] Lee: is that those those people that build the drones and go through
[974.53] Lee: the kind of rad school of rotary flight, I think, are better pilots.
[978.69] Lee: And they can also handle when something goes wrong on the model
[983.25] Lee: and get it down safely without hurting anybody.
[986.05] Adam: You've made me feel guilty. I have to go and do my homework.
[988.85] Adam: I've been there doing my beena.
[991.17] Adam: I was going to say, you mentioned the Phantom making people,
[994.85] Adam: you know, feeling too safe.
[997.33] Adam: I was just watching the Phantom foglies and talking about how safe it's going to be
[1001.89] Adam: because it can see, you know, even on its return journey not to hit an object,
[1005.97] Adam: but it can only see forwards and drones can fly in any direction, right?
[1011.97] Lee: That assumes the cable hasn't fallen out the back of the camera.
[1014.69] Jack: Yeah. Well, it's built in, though, that those two cameras,
[1019.65] Adam: didn't I? Yeah, the cameras attached.
[1023.09] Adam: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it still breaks up pretty easy.
[1026.13] Lee: It probably is. I mean, you know, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, guys,
[1028.93] Lee: but, you know, I've had instances where, you know, back in the multi-way days where,
[1033.81] Lee: you know, I've taken off and it's appeared fine.
[1036.21] Lee: And then halfway through the flight, it suddenly developed a really bad list in one direction.
[1041.73] Lee: And I've had to combat that to level it out and try and bring it back so that I could
[1046.77] Lee: land it safely. And it might be, I don't know, that a prop was slipping or an ESC
[1051.41] Lee: started to misbehave or one of the bearings is going or it might just be the multi-way
[1055.49] Lee: was having a bad day. You know, it's only the fact, yeah, or I've done something wrong.
[1064.69] Adam: Jack, Jack, express some disbelief.
[1067.17] Jack: No, no, yeah, I am. That's my silence.
[1069.49] Jack: Exactly. Could not possibly have done something wrong.
[1072.05] Jack: It's painless.
[1072.61] Adam: But yeah, gadgets, you know, anything electronic can't be trusted. And if things are too easy to
[1079.33] Adam: trust, people will be more inclined to make mistakes because they won't know what to do
[1082.93] Adam: when things go wrong. I completely agree with you.
[1085.33] Jack: I think we should advocate the painless campaign where
[1089.41] Jack: it's compulsory IQ test in order to buy a Phantom.
[1095.01] Adam: I don't disagree.
[1096.77] Lee: Well, I'm not sure about that because I'm not sure I'd pass. But I do think there just needs
[1104.05] Lee: to be a little bit of consideration around some of the safety aspects of this. Just so that when
[1112.77] Lee: we fly these things and something does go wrong, we've got a chance of one getting the craft back
[1118.85] Lee: or if we don't get the craft back, you know, it doesn't land on a kids playground or something,
[1126.37] Lee: which would be heartbreaking.
[1128.21] Jack: Yeah.
[1128.69] Jae: Well, I think people can actually, you know, if they've been flying with the stabilization,
[1132.37] Jae: it's not stopping them from going back and then starting to learn again with this method of
[1138.29] Jae: learning, you know, in a manual sense of flight. So I think
[1141.41] Adam: you're not a real man or woman until you've done that, I think.
[1147.81] Lee: Another real man so you can hover nose in, I think, you know, I think that's the motto.
[1154.53] Jack: Yeah, Tony.
[1156.37] Tony: Yeah, I was just going to say, that's me out then.
[1158.69] Jack: LOS, Tony, I can't wait to start that series. You're like, you're not making me look a fool.
[1164.85] Jack: It's like, mate, you need to do this. And your sheer anger and aversion towards me
[1170.77] Jack: and flying line of sight will be comedic and might encourage other people.
[1175.65] Tony: It will be funny, but oh, mate, I'm just going to make a fool of myself.
[1178.93] Jack: You're going to punch me in the face. I can just...
[1181.17] Adam: Are you going to actually do fighting? Because I'll stay and listen to that.
[1186.37] Jack: Yeah, don't worry. Me and Tony fight often.
[1191.25] Adam: I'm going to enjoy listening to the rest of this later.
[1194.05] Jack: Bye for now.
[1196.13] Jack: Good luck.
[1196.61] Adam: Bye.
[1197.81] Adam: Cheers.
[1198.45] Adam: And now off to stay at her inaugural charts. Yay.
[1202.61] Jack: Painless. By the way, you can put in the chat on the Thursday night show.
[1208.77] Jack: Um, nope, that's right, Dom. Whispers is not in it. You can put the links to
[1215.01] Jack: the flight school in the chat and we can add that to the show notes as well if you want to.
[1220.37] Lee: Okay. I'll send you the links to the video that we did because we did a video that does
[1227.09] Lee: the steps to learn to fly. And then we did an extra one that was about four or five steps
[1232.45] Lee: of transitioning from line of sight to FPV. Um, and that actually, that second one,
[1238.21] Lee: we actually did a mini version for, um, for an article in drone magazine, because when you've,
[1243.57] Lee: you know, for those of us that learn to fly line of sight going to FPV initially can be quite
[1248.29] Lee: disorientated because you're so used to using your eyes to check whether or not you're sinking or,
[1253.17] Lee: or rising and you lose all that spatial awareness.
[1256.69] Jae: No, no, you did that video. I'm going to check that out.
[1259.17] Jae: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I'd be more of a line of sight than an FPV. And actually
[1265.65] Jae: it seems the technology is going to FPV. So that sounds like a winner. That one.
[1270.05] Jack: There has been, um, a few funny things said in the chat. Um, Matthew Austin said, be brave.
[1276.45] Jack: It's a KK flight, flight board, uh, is the best one. The other thing is someone said, oh, um,
[1284.61] Jack: Tony, who, what's his name again? You know, Jack us. J a Q U E S Jack. Yeah. Yeah. He said,
[1293.73] Jack: painless. You are awesome. Thank you. Thanks, man. So yeah, you got, you got some real love
[1299.41] Lee: in the campus tonight on the, on the chat. Thank you, Jack. It's very nice to hear.
[1305.25] Lee: It's always lovely when we hear from pilots that have, uh, benefited from the videos, because
[1310.45] Lee: to be fair, I probably use the videos just as much as anybody these days. Um, because as we
[1315.41] Lee: were joking before, you know, about which is my favorite flight control of the last one,
[1319.49] Lee: it's amazing how often, um, you know, my, my wife will wander in. I'm sat watching one of
[1324.13] Lee: my own videos with a piece of technology in front of me, things like, you know, updating
[1328.53] Lee: smart port, uh, receivers on the Toronto, so whatever I kind of remember it. I figure it out.
[1334.85] Lee: We do the video. I'll probably do another half a dozen that I've ordered and then I won't touch
[1339.01] Lee: it for five weeks. And then when I come to do the next one, I actually end up watching my own
[1342.85] Jack: video. So it's actually helpful for me as well sometimes. And certain companies that won't be
[1348.85] Jack: mentioning phoning you up about their own products being like, how do I use them?
[1356.29] Lee: Well, to be fair that, you know, it's kind of fun when that happens and we're, we've been lucky
[1364.13] Lee: in that as we, as the channels got bigger and, and, you know, you and I have talked about this
[1369.41] Lee: chat, you know, it's not about the number of subscribers. It's not, you know, that that's not
[1373.49] Lee: what this is about. It is literally just about putting stuff out there that helps the community.
[1379.97] Lee: As we've got that little bit bigger, we started to get, um, relationships with some of the
[1386.53] Lee: developers and builders. So, you know, we know the team behind, um, the picks racer and the picks
[1391.89] Lee: hawk. We obviously know the Arduino, the flight, we know guys now, uh, we know, you know, Dominic
[1397.17] Lee: Hydra and those guys, we, we have relationships with all the suppliers that, you know, Raphael
[1402.21] Lee: at TBS and that stuff. So, so it's, it's been really great for us to actually get hold of that
[1408.21] Lee: and get, um, and get direct input. Cause it's amazing how often you'll, you'll get a product.
[1414.29] Lee: Um, and in fact, I was, you know, talking to team black sheep today about some stuff that they're
[1419.57] Lee: doing and they'll, they'll send me it like the power cube and I'll be setting it up and there'll
[1424.69] Lee: be something I'm expecting to happen and it doesn't. And then I'll go back to them and say,
[1428.77] Lee: all right, well, what about this? Um, and there's been a couple of instances really where that
[1432.53] Lee: person's gone. Oh, um, actually that's a really good idea. We haven't done that. We'll add it to
[1437.17] Lee: the firmware. So it's, it's kind of cute as well that, you know, cause you play with so much
[1442.05] Lee: technology, you get to see some nice stuff and you can, um, you know, you can almost be part of
[1448.05] Lee: the process in helping develop it, which is really fun. So, uh, see, I'm interested to hear
[1454.13] Jae: your thoughts on where you might see these flight controllers going. I mean, there are so many
[1457.81] Jae: different variants coming out. I mean, one's based on Raspberry PI's, the Navio two board and
[1463.41] Jae: STM boards that are coming through. Where do you think these things are going to go? Do you think
[1467.17] Jae: they're all just going to get more, um, integrated like mobile phones have with more on board that
[1471.09] Jae: can do everything or do you think it's going to be still splintered off into races versus this versus
[1475.57] Lee: that? I still, I still think there's going to be some specialism. I think we're not going to get
[1480.85] Lee: away from that, but I think we're going to start to get more boards that have, um, more technology
[1487.57] Lee: in them. At the moment, there's a lot of discrete components. So, you know, if you want to build a
[1490.77] Lee: racing quad, you might get a NASI 32, you might get a minimum OSD, you'll get the ESCs and you get
[1496.37] Lee: everything else. Um, you know, we've got things like the new, some of the new emacs stuff here,
[1500.93] Lee: some of the new flight controllers that they've got the, um, uh, they, they have an onscreen
[1506.45] Lee: display integrated into them. You know, if we look at what the kiss, um, guys are doing the fly,
[1511.57] Lee: do we know where it's a baseboard with a little flight controller stuck on top? Um, I think we're
[1519.25] Lee: going to see more of that, uh, as we go through the year. I mean, I'm just trying to make sure
[1525.41] Lee: I'm not, not sharing anything. I shouldn't hear some of it, but I think, sorry, I think, I think
[1532.85] Lee: we, you know, we're going to see more of that this year. Um, it's going to continue to be an
[1538.93] Lee: interesting year, uh, for FPV. I think, I think we're going to see some big announcements in FPV
[1545.17] Lee: this year with the FPV technology getting, um, a lot higher resolution and a lot lower latency.
[1550.77] Lee: So I think that's something that we can all look forward to. I think the prices are going to
[1554.61] Lee: continue to fall this year. Um, there's a lot of pressure on the manufacturers and designers
[1560.93] Lee: of the board. So people like, uh, you know, Philip and Dominic and those guys that are creating these
[1566.77] Lee: new platforms that were flying as part of the open source community, when the picks racer
[1572.05] Lee: was, uh, first brought out, um, it, it took a matter of weeks for the Chinese guys to,
[1579.09] Lee: to copy that and start, um, start getting ready to offer clone versions. Um, so the technology is
[1585.25] Lee: getting an awful lot cheaper. So, so this year, I think we're going to see, you know, personally
[1590.77] Lee: from what I'm seeing with what people are asking for on the channel, uh, it's about getting, um,
[1595.65] Lee: cheaper, better, easier FPV. And it's about getting more, uh, holistic systems that come all
[1602.13] Lee: together. So rather than you have to try and find the ESCs that work well, that flight controller
[1606.69] Lee: and figure out all the different settings for whether it's Simon K or BL Heli or one shot 125,
[1612.13] Lee: or some of the cool stuff that kiss is doing, you buy it as a package and then all you're really
[1617.01] Lee: doing in is plugging in your motors and snapping it onto a frame. I suppose the other aspect of it
[1622.85] Jae: is the software, isn't it? Really? I mean, it came evident to me when I was going through this APM,
[1627.09] Jae: it's an old eight bit board really, but the software's sort of matured with it. And I suppose
[1631.97] Jae: the software on some of the other boards like the STM chipsets and things, there's not been
[1637.01] Jae: the same investment in some of the things the APM can do because people haven't requested it,
[1640.77] Jae: but the software as well is still going through its maturity, um, where in the open source world,
[1646.53] Jae: whereas you've got the proprietary things like your DJI's and things. But I think the software
[1650.53] Jae: probably itself can also do with a lot of investment. It's an interesting example that
[1656.05] Lee: you bring up because 3DR were actually supporting the, um, the development of the APM software. So
[1662.85] Lee: mission planner and argue plane. So they were actually paying, I think there was about 10
[1666.77] Lee: developers being paid for by 3DR that were working just on the firmware and the software
[1673.49] Lee: graphical user interface. Now 3DR actually recently pulled that support. So they've dropped
[1678.13] Lee: dramatically. I think there's only two or three developers left on that, but, um, that's one of
[1682.93] Lee: the reasons why that solution was so fantastic and why they could get so much out of a really
[1688.61] Lee: old fashioned eight and we still can, by the way, out of an eight bit board with limited memory and,
[1695.41] Lee: you know, quite mature sensors. Um, and, and, and that goodness is kind of brought through to
[1701.81] Lee: PixHawk. So, but the difference there is the difference between somebody like 3DR pumping
[1707.41] Lee: money into a development team. That's a hundred percent dedicated to working on that. And that's
[1711.57] Lee: their job to something like, you know, the, the clean flights, the base flights and that stuff
[1716.93] Lee: that an awful lot of us are flying now, where it's an open source project and it's only getting
[1722.45] Lee: worked on by the people who have the time, the expertise, and also those, you know,
[1729.09] Lee: the guys that are interested in it. So, so the, the development of that as you're absolutely
[1733.81] Lee: right gets pushed by what people are asking for. I mean, I've been talking to Dominic for probably
[1739.73] Lee: over 12 months and he's sick of me talking about it, about the fact that the GPS code that was in
[1746.05] Lee: the multi-way eight bit version that, you know, base flight was taken from that then became clean
[1751.01] Lee: flight. The GPS code in the original multi was actually really good. The GPS hold and the GPS
[1756.77] Lee: return to home were fantastic. I used it all the time. And it's like a pirate, wasn't it?
[1761.41] Lee: Well, Mega Pirate was good, but even on a little, you know, a Cirrus SE 2.5
[1769.09] Lee: bog basic one, if you stuck a GPS on it, it would do a really nice hold and return to home.
[1776.05] Lee: And we lost that when we went to base flight and clean flight. And, you know, I'm always berating
[1781.25] Lee: Dominic about the fact it's not there. Now, hopefully I now the fork of clean flight where
[1785.89] Lee: they're redeveloping all that GPS code is going to fix that. But again, the reason that that
[1791.41] Lee: hasn't been sorted out until now is that's not really been the focus for those guys. They're
[1797.09] Lee: more interested in getting a super duper high performance racing platform where, you know,
[1802.45] Lee: GPS is kind of a nice to have. So it's it's it's been definitely, you know, towards the bottom of
[1807.33] Lee: the list. So it's a very, very different model, I think, that we're talking about between something
[1811.33] Lee: like an APN PixHawk PixRacer and something like the open source stuff you have with with clean
[1818.45] Jae: flight or base flight. Because the open pilot did some promising, well, showed promise really
[1824.29] Jae: to get more of the way, you know, GPS code in there. But I suppose that's the other aspect.
[1828.21] Jae: People choose something they want to spend their investor time and expertise in. And it may be
[1832.61] Jae: different forks for a different board, different sort of setup. So I suppose, yeah, it could be
[1839.01] Jae: quite interesting to see what does happen on the software and if it coincides with the technological
[1844.61] Lee: updates that are coming through. It is it is complicated with the software right now because
[1849.97] Lee: we have got a situation where clean flight is fantastically successful. You know, an awful lot
[1854.53] Lee: of the pilots are flying it now for those boards like the NASI 32, the STM 32 or three base boards.
[1861.97] Lee: You know, and it's fantastic for racing. We've got Boris B with his high performance code doing all
[1867.81] Lee: that stuff in beta flight. We've got the team doing iNav, which is a fork that's looking at
[1872.29] Lee: all the GPS code. And, you know, the plan from what I understand it is, is, you know, once that
[1877.65] Lee: code is finished and tested, it'll eventually be rolled back into clean flight. The challenge is,
[1883.73] Lee: of course, is then, you know, clean flight is is becoming, you know, quite a project to look after.
[1890.37] Lee: It's supporting an awful lot of different targets and boards. All of that has to be tested and
[1895.09] Lee: managed. And, you know, it becomes quite an overhead for that team to make sure that any
[1900.69] Lee: change that they make is going to work on everything. And that's where people like, you
[1904.29] Lee: know, the flight we know boys, their model is really different and quite interesting because
[1909.17] Lee: they they have one board, they have one lot of code. And so long as the code works on that board,
[1914.69] Lee: then, you know, tick job done, they can carry on developing and putting new stuff into it.
[1919.41] Jack: Yeah, because like that's that's the thing with the open source is like it has got millions of
[1926.13] Jack: minds working on it. But in order to keep clean flight true to its name, you can't just start
[1933.41] Jack: putting fixes, patches and fixes on top of each other. And the code has to be quite scrutinized
[1941.49] Jack: and, and gone through and tested. And I think they will, they will at some point have to stop,
[1949.89] Jack: you know, because I think they've stopped supporting the CC3D because it has to have its
[1956.45] Jack: own hex and all that sort of. I just think it's kind of like, you know, I mean, we are,
[1961.73] Jack: you know, especially like people like you in the community that we are standing on the shoulders
[1965.33] Jack: of giants. And I am really looking forward to to seeing where all this goes. And I'm really
[1971.73] Jack: hoping that the the the INAF like kind of pulls the the the GPS back to the old multi-week days.
[1982.85] Jack: But equally, it's, you know, it makes me think, should we be selecting like the right tool for
[1989.97] Jack: the job, you know, like using a different board for four different things, or do you or are you
[1995.33] Jack: a big fan of, you know, getting an A's and like bolting different components onto it?
[2002.53] Lee: No, I think you've hit the nail on the headjack. I think for those people that want,
[2006.69] Lee: you know, GPS flight modes and all that goodness, then, you know, I did an interview with Dominic
[2012.93] Lee: for an article that I wrote for a magazine. And Dominic summed it up in one sentence. He
[2017.57] Lee: basically said, look, if you want GPS and all that stuff, then it's not clean flight.
[2021.41] Lee: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he's really clear about that, about what clean flight is about. And that
[2027.33] Lee: that really helps us as builders say, okay, great. So so although we can add those things on an INAF
[2034.61] Lee: is coming in in the future, it might be if I'm going to strap, you know, a 500 quid Sony camera
[2040.61] Lee: under a hex copter, am I going to run that on a Nazi 32? Probably not. I'm probably going to
[2046.37] Lee: get my hands on something like a PixHawk or a PixRacer or one of those boards that has lots
[2051.57] Lee: of redundancy, redundant sensors, buffer die, you know, all that goodness, and also has some
[2057.73] Lee: fantastic GPS flight modes that if I really, really get in trouble, I can flick the ODA
[2062.69] Lee: switch and it'll gently come back and land itself at my feet. Oh, the shoes on the other foot,
[2068.05] Jack: so much for the school of flight. You know, if you've got a problem, bring it in yourself.
[2073.49] Jae: Well, use technology, use it to your advantage, but don't rely on it. I think that's the key there.
[2079.65] Jack: Yeah, no, it's true. I'm just trying to wind him up. I can't imagine angry painless 360.
[2086.53] Lee: It was worth the shot. Wait, yeah, you haven't been here when I've been trying to figure something
[2091.41] Lee: out for two hours. Yeah, there's some rude words said normally before I finally figure it out.
[2097.01] Tony: That was funny. Are we going to have HD FPV by the end of this year?
[2105.65] Lee: I think it's a safe bet. How expensive it's going to be, how
[2114.05] Lee: reliable it's going to be, I think we need to wait and see. There are a number of projects
[2119.65] Lee: going on right now that are actually working, but it's about making it fit to mass produce and
[2128.53] Lee: bring to market. I'm really interested in HD. The one I'm actually more excited about,
[2136.77] Lee: which I'm still waiting for, is I've got these wonderful dominated glasses that do 3D. I still
[2142.13] Lee: haven't found a 3D camera for less than 120 quid. I'll be caught over the moon with a bit of 3D
[2148.77] Lee: while I'm waiting for HD. I'm not completely sure that HD will be the big game changer everybody
[2158.69] Lee: sees because with a good set of goggles and a nice six or seven hundred TVL line camera that's
[2163.81] Lee: working well, you can get some really lovely images that are very immersive and you forget
[2169.41] Lee: you're looking at the goggles. I think that's when you know that FPV's worked when you forget
[2174.13] Tony: you're looking at a little screen. Oh yeah, I mean I get sucked in anyway and I'm so immersed
[2180.37] Tony: anyway, but having the HD would just let me see them pesky little twigs will catch you out now
[2187.81] Lee: and again. You just need to go at them faster, just break through. It'll be fine.
[2201.01] Jae: Well I think HD and many other things will happen. It's just as things get smaller, get more
[2206.85] Jae: accessible, get cheaper to develop and cheaper to produce, that we will get these things and 3D.
[2212.13] Jae: But I suppose it's just how soon do we have to wait and I think with the rise of the popularity
[2218.93] Jae: of these flying machines, I think there's more money to do that. So just how patient can you be?
[2226.61] Lee: I don't think we're going to have to wait too long before we're going to start seeing the first
[2232.37] Lee: demos of the HD technology and then I think you know as we talked about before, as soon as it's
[2238.69] Lee: in production and the cloners get their hands on it, then we'll have different versions available
[2246.21] Lee: that are a lot less expensive and that's a bit of a double-edged sword really because one it means
[2251.01] Lee: that we don't have to spend £800 on a set of HD goggles, but on the other side it means that the
[2258.85] Lee: people who are putting the effort in to develop this stuff aren't making the money they need to
[2263.81] Jack: to continue to develop and innovate. Yeah and Andy's put up an interesting thing, I was just
[2270.53] Jack: about to say this, he says I don't care about HD, I just want to be able to turn up power on without
[2275.73] Jack: worrying about treading on someone else's feed and that's kind of what I want. I kind of want
[2282.93] Jack: a signal that all plug and play, all connects together, I think Painless might get what I'm
[2288.21] Lee: trying to say. No, I do and it's coming, I actually saw it today. Not really, in your hands,
[2296.37] Lee: was it in your hands? I can't say any more about but the technology where you power up and the
[2303.57] Lee: system finds a free frequency and then auto configures the video transmitter is coming.
[2310.69] Jack: Wow that's going to be going to danger that one. That's it, that's all I need, I need that Tony
[2316.21] Jack: proof equipment, job done, that's it. Is there any Tony proof equipment? I don't think so.
[2324.05] Jack: Speaking of which man, Dan has taken your quad and he's re-done all the old wiring from the fire
[2331.33] Jack: that you had inside your quad and everything, he's put shielding, he's got rid of a load of stuff,
[2337.73] Jack: giant. What do you think, Painless, what are you thinking about all this adding giant caps to
[2344.93] Jack: say your battery input, your XD60 or anything to stop the back feeding of voltage,
[2352.37] Lee: with all these high switching FETs and that. To be fair, it's not something that I tend to
[2359.33] Lee: have a problem with but then I don't run really hot rigs. We tend to run the majority of kind
[2364.77] Lee: of 3s in here. I'm getting old now, so things that happen at 3s are quite fast enough for my
[2371.57] Lee: brain to keep up with. If I slap 4s on there and drop the crops, I think my brain would go into
[2377.49] Lee: hyperspace. For me, my background is actually as an electronics engineer, that's how I originally
[2387.65] Lee: started. I think there's an awful lot of worry about some of this stuff and a lot of the modern
[2393.33] Lee: electronics are actually pretty good. I think you just have to use a bit of common sense and
[2397.97] Lee: make sure that your connections are good. A lot of people get really hung up about things like
[2403.97] Lee: earth loops and stuff on the craft. In reality, there isn't really enough current in a lot of the
[2410.77] Lee: signal lines to do any real damage. It's not something we come across as a problem here and
[2419.17] Lee: it's also not something that we get asked about subscribers for. Now that might be the subscribers
[2425.41] Lee: who are on the channel and the people that are asking the questions are at the beginning of their
[2431.09] Lee: journey building multirotors, maybe the guys and girls that are flying the really hot rigs,
[2438.05] Lee: where there are all these problems and considerations on the channel but I'm not seeing it.
[2447.25] Jack: I've got a question in from Ohio. He says, back to the VTX of the Holy Grail VTX,
[2456.53] Jack: how many pilots at once nudge, wink, please, please, just put it in chat so I can send it
[2464.53] Jack: to him because he will cry. I'll have a phone call afterwards. The problem is that we're limited
[2471.73] Lee: by the amount of frequencies that we actually have available on the 5.8 band and that's not
[2478.05] Lee: going to change. With the side banding and the bleeding that you get around the edge of the
[2483.25] Lee: signals, even with raceband, we can kind of squeeze 18. I think until we get a different
[2493.89] Lee: range of frequencies or a wider range of frequencies, we're kind of stuck with the
[2498.13] Lee: physical limitations of what you can do with a radio signal. I think eight's enough anyway,
[2504.29] Jack: grating. Seven, well, I mean, I don't know, I'd be crazy came up with a whole,
[2510.13] Jack: you know, if you short your, what was it, short your sound to ground and narrow your
[2515.89] Jack: band width or some, you know, spin round, clap your hands, you can get 12 pilots up at once.
[2523.33] Lee: I think that works so long as everybody's using that same system, you know, where everybody's
[2532.77] Lee: trying to limit the transmissions through a very narrow band within the 5.8 stuff that we can use.
[2539.41] Lee: But I think in reality, you know, if you go to these race meets, everybody's using slightly
[2544.37] Lee: different kits and it only takes a handful of people to use kits that isn't as well behaved
[2550.21] Lee: that starts to wander into those other people that are trying to use, you know, these kind of
[2554.61] Lee: pseudo bands by being smart and clever. So unfortunately, I think for the time being,
[2560.29] Lee: I think we're kind of stuck to eight for everyday use.
[2565.73] Jack: You've heard it here. First people paying the 360 mugging off raceband. He's not a fan.
[2573.73] Lee: No, we've got a lot of raceband stuff here and I really like it. It's just raceband still only
[2579.89] Jack: gives you eight pilots. Yeah, yeah, sorry. I've always grounded my audio says Chris moving on
[2587.33] Jack: changing subject. Do you want to answer some questions? Painless, painless. I was going to
[2591.33] Jae: say what are you doing on the 7th of May because we need you down at the air show. Yes.
[2599.17] Lee: Yeah, well, let's have a look at that because that's down on the south coast, isn't it? Yeah.
[2604.13] Lee: Yeah. Fantastic. We'll definitely have to have a look at that because I'd like to come along.
[2609.09] Jack: That sounds like a fun day. We really want you to talk and have your own. You're an excellent
[2614.53] Jack: talker. Very informative. So much so that you just want me to come along and fix all your stuff.
[2621.89] Jack: I'm out of the job if you do that.
[2625.41] Jae: How people should fly and it'd be amazing to just have you there. Whatever you could do.
[2629.89] Jae: Be amazing if you came up, but there's so many options that you could probably even educate
[2633.09] Jae: or do, you know, really serve the community even further and yourselves of advertising yourself.
[2637.49] Jae: We'll put a side above you saying painless 360 and everyone there will be fucking around you.
[2643.09] Tony: He said flocking. Yeah, he said flocking.
[2648.21] Jack: Don't make him talk about speed again. I mean, clock speed.
[2654.77] Lee: I'd say you've done really well. We've got through the best part of an hour there
[2658.53] Lee: without you bringing up penises. That was really impressive.
[2662.13] Tony: Nearly though.
[2664.13] Jack: Yeah. Oh well. Yeah, sorry. He's obviously a regular Let's Drone Out listener.
[2672.29] Jack: He's got the idea. Yeah, little bees are really noisy. Fix My Stuff says Ed. Great
[2679.97] Jack: Secret Society members on how to fix the quads. Just do talks about stuff. Leo, good pilot.
[2687.81] Jack: There you go. Sorry, some stuff out the chat just to keep you guys updated.
[2692.61] Jack: We are reading it, but yeah, I think Jay's got a point. You know, I think that, you know,
[2697.73] Jack: help spread awareness and stuff and like it links into that whole, you know, you wish you kind of
[2703.17] Jack: chose a different name on the, you know, when I'm when I'm thinking when I first started,
[2708.45] Jack: the last thing I would have typed in was if I need help with with my with my quadcopter,
[2714.45] Jack: I would have typed in the word painless and 360, not 360.
[2723.17] Jack: But yeah, spreading the knowledge that you are here, you know, a good resource,
[2727.81] Jack: which leads me on to like, where do you find your best resources?
[2732.21] Tony: And where did you get your name?
[2735.09] Lee: Okay, so so let's do the name on first because that's the slightly
[2739.01] Lee: other one. So going back to the fact that we're called painless 360.
[2743.09] Lee: The weird thing is, I can't change it now, because the third highest search term for all
[2748.21] Lee: the videos that we have on the channel is now painless 360. Number one is Nazi 32. Number two
[2754.21] Lee: is CC 3d, believe it or not. And number three is painless 360. So if I if I got rid of painless
[2760.53] Lee: 360, it's now become a recognizable thing. And I know some of the subscribers when they have a
[2766.29] Lee: problem, they'll search for, you know, ESC problem painless 360 to kind of bring up the stuff that
[2772.37] Lee: we've done. So, so I'm a bit stuck with it now. The name actually came about from back in the
[2780.21] Lee: days where I was joining Xbox live, and we're going back a long time now, it's probably 11
[2785.25] Lee: years, I think, since I set the live accounts. And so everyone knows what my Xbox live ID is now,
[2790.61] Lee: don't they? Yeah, hundreds of friends. Yeah, that's it. They do now. That's a friend request.
[2795.57] Lee: So so what I was doing, I was trying to find a really good Xbox live name that nobody else had
[2803.65] Lee: had. And of course, everything I thought of, you know, somebody in America had already pinched.
[2808.61] Lee: So, you know, I played a lot of first person shooters back then. And I was I was really
[2813.41] Lee: interested in getting something that was, you know, sound is sounding quite mean, something
[2818.93] Lee: that Clint Eastwood would be called in a movie, right? So I'm trying all these different names,
[2823.89] Lee: none of them, everything I type in, you know, kind of, you know, colts or red dragon or whatever
[2829.65] Lee: it is, I'm trying to find, everything's gone. So I'm thinking, all right, okay. Probably two days
[2835.97] Lee: I've been trying to get a name because I don't want to be called, you know, hipster 27297 or
[2841.49] Lee: whatever. I would really say nothing. Right. I mean, if you are hipster, 292 197, then, you know,
[2848.37] Lee: I apologize. But that's me. Oh, no, he's in the chat. He's very angry.
[2857.01] Lee: He'll be a friend request by the time we finish. But the but I was so I was looking for,
[2864.21] Lee: you know, kind of gatling or something like that was I wanted something like that as the handle.
[2869.33] Lee: And unfortunately, or, you know, you couldn't have anything like that. Now, there is a very famous
[2875.17] Lee: gatling gun in the Predator film that a guy called Jesse Ventura carries with him through
[2882.37] Lee: the jungle after Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he calls it painless. So I thought, okay, because I
[2889.89] Lee: couldn't have gatling, I thought, we'll try painless. So I put in painless and he went, yeah,
[2893.57] Lee: you can have painless one seven. Oh, here we are again. So I thought, okay, painless 24 seven.
[2899.73] Lee: No, painless 95. No, painless is limited. No, painless 360. Yes, you can have that one. So,
[2908.45] Lee: so I hit the go button. And that was it painless 360. I became online and have been for the last
[2915.41] Lee: 11 years. So for the name, as it turns out, it's kind of worked because the whole channel is about
[2921.49] Lee: making RC technology easier or painless. But it's actually named after the gatling gun in Predator.
[2928.61] Jack: I just to lower the tone, I will share with everyone my Xbox live handle and it is a vicious
[2938.85] Jack: spanker. There is a painless there is a guy called Jack FPV. And he used to we had him on last week,
[2954.45] Jack: and he used to play Call of Duty. So I'd love to see how well you two would do against each other.
[2961.17] Jack: So, yeah, I might drop him a message with your Xbox handle. Yeah. And, you know,
[2967.57] Lee: we've got the new Tom Clancy game coming out. Is it the syndicate or something? That looks quite good.
[2972.05] Jack: Oh, God. That looks like what's happened to let's try. So we've completely gone off topic.
[2978.85] Lee: Yeah. So what was the original question? The one was about the name and I forgot the other one
[2982.45] Jack: because we've gone completely. No, I've forgotten now. Do you want to have a little look through
[2992.77] Jack: your questions quickly and pick out your favorite one to answer? Because like Andrew and I remember
[2998.85] Lee: now it was where do I go for my sources of information? Yeah, that's it. Something I said
[3003.97] Lee: 20 minutes ago. Yeah, that's all right. The last cup of coffee is still obviously working away.
[3009.41] Lee: So so the way I tend to do it is I don't tend to use the forums. And the reason is is that I tend
[3018.21] Lee: to find them very confusing. Some of the some of the sticky posts are really good. And the
[3025.01] Lee: sticky post tends to be written by some of the developers or the guys that have got the product
[3029.41] Lee: quite early on. And those are great. But then very quickly, in my experience, kind of devolves into
[3035.65] Lee: he said, she said, yes, no, I hate you. And then, you know, you're kind of down in the middle.
[3042.29] Lee: So I tend to find that the best sources of information, believe it or not, tend to be the
[3049.33] Lee: manuals. There's an awful lot of information out there that although the manuals aren't always
[3056.77] Lee: well written, because open source, you know, the focus is on getting the product out the door
[3062.13] Lee: before somebody rips it off and copies it. Actually, reading through that is is kind of
[3067.97] Lee: really useful. The other thing I find is that because we've been doing this now for so long,
[3073.65] Lee: you tend to find that most of the technology that you get in now is kind of a variation on a theme.
[3079.49] Lee: So so what you're looking at really is that is the 15 20% of this new thing that's slightly
[3085.33] Lee: different from the other seven things like it you've had a look at. And that's that's really
[3090.61] Lee: useful for us because you don't have to start from scratch. But then the challenge for us is
[3095.17] Lee: trying to relay all of that goodness in a video in a way that isn't condescending, or doesn't skip
[3103.17] Lee: information that people, you know, will find critical to help follow what's going on. So it's
[3109.33] Lee: a bit of a difficult one to answer that is is the answer. We tend to spend a lot of time on Google,
[3115.09] Lee: and we're lucky if we really get stuck, we'll go to the manufacturer. And it's nice now if I
[3120.77] Lee: ring a manufacturer up or I email them and say, Hi, it's Lee from painless 360. Most of them will
[3125.73] Lee: kind of go, Oh, brilliant, we're watching videos and we get a great answer. So we've done that for
[3131.01] Lee: a couple of subscribers where we've had a request come in over a couple of days, and we've had three
[3137.89] Lee: or four of the same request. And we're looking at it and we're scratching our heads as well. If we
[3141.89] Lee: get really stuck, we'll go to the manufacturer. And sometimes that's due to a do we call them
[3148.61] Lee: features or bugs in the hobby, due to due to something that isn't quite there with a product.
[3155.17] Lee: Usually, I'll find out most of the time when you speak to the manufacturer, they'll say, Oh,
[3159.81] Lee: actually, we know about that. But we're kind of, you know, there's a new version of the firmware
[3165.49] Lee: coming out that will be out at such and such a date. And then in that case, we just message the
[3171.57] Lee: people that have asked the question. And as soon as that firmware is out, then we make the video
[3175.81] Lee: and we cover it. So for example, one of them is team team black sheep, the power cube, we did a
[3182.21] Lee: video today about updating the firmware. And that's because the TBS guys have added an awful lot of
[3188.85] Lee: code to clean flight to make it do some really cool stuff with our on screen display and their
[3194.45] Lee: video transmitter. But the thing that wasn't quite working was the LEDs at the back. So they've
[3201.25] Lee: just done a firmware update that fixes the LED problem I was having. So we've done the video about
[3207.49] Lee: that. And actually, going back to your, your question about what we're going to see. So that's
[3212.53] Lee: quite a cool idea. So the TBS guys have made it so that the, the LEDs at the back of your craft,
[3218.69] Lee: you know, the individually addressable ones, yeah, yeah, that stuff that because the Calibri
[3226.45] Lee: flight controller in the power cube knows what video channel you're using to transmit on,
[3233.57] Lee: it then sets the color of the LEDs at the back to a corresponding color that identifies the
[3239.09] Lee: channel that you're on. So if you have three or four power cubes in a race, and the LEDs at the
[3243.89] Lee: back, two of them have the same color LEDs, you know, those two are on the same channel.
[3247.89] Jae: Yeah, oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, so really cool time. We need you back painless,
[3254.29] Jae: three six that you have been a fantastic. Yeah, today. We can't cram it all into an hour. No,
[3260.85] Lee: we need you back. That's the open invitation back. I would I would love to. Thank you very
[3268.05] Lee: much for the opportunity to come and talk to you guys and really enjoy the show. And thanks Jack
[3273.09] Lee: for getting me involved in all this and to be on to this. It's a honor. It's good fun.
[3277.81] Jack: And I see. So what we've learned today is if painless just quickly says the manuals,
[3283.57] Jack: that's where he finds his information. And now I can play this on three. One, two, three.
[3290.5] Jack: It's the manuals. dramatic effects. Right. Thank you. You've been listening to Let's Drone out.
[3297.22] Jack: We've run slightly over. I'm really sorry. But we've been joined by the wonderful painless 360
[3301.46] Jack: who is a God of knowledge. And we've all been enlightened, enlightened, enlightened. That's it.
[3308.34] Jack: Enlightened. And thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Thanks, guys. No worries. You've been
[3313.3] Jack: joined by cheap chip go. You're on at 10 o'clock. Yeah. Well, good luck. And that was Tony and
[3324.18] Tony: goodbye, my fellow listeners and shout out to Gee's FPV. Thanks for tuning in, everyone. Thank you.