=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 42 ===
Title: Ep 42 David Windestål
Recorded: 2016-06-16
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): David
Total audience: 2,764
Platforms: SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/269999814-letsdroneout-ep-42-david-windestao.mp3)
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It's Slowmo Time for LDO to go RCExploring as they Tri to contact Sweden!

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[13.13] Jack: I see it's growing about as soon as it's growing in the parking lot and I'm fresh at the time.
[20.09] Jack: Hello!
[21.09] Jack: And you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[23.69] Jack: Bonjour!
[25.69] Jack: Guess who we have on.
[29.69] Jack: Right, I'd like to introduce everyone to my left.
[35.69] Jack: Sup, Tonestar?
[38.69] Jack: And Arlen producing us and running everything behind the scenes.
[44.69] Jack: Frank, hello.
[45.69] Jack: And I'm Jack, also known as Bright Until I Fly and everyone knows and everyone's been waiting for.
[55.69] David: Hello!
[56.69] David: There he is.
[57.69] Jack: Yep, the Swede.
[58.69] Jack: How's it going?
[59.69] David: I'm doing pretty good about you.
[61.69] Jack: Yeah, not too bad, not too bad.
[62.69] Jack: I didn't think it felt so wrong that you had not been on Let's Drone Out.
[67.69] David: I know, I've been ignoring you for way too long.
[71.69] David: Why is that?
[72.69] Jack: Is it because I'm really annoying and I just talk about you all the time?
[75.69] David: A little bit.
[76.69] David: No, I actually really like you.
[78.69] David: Don't encourage me.
[80.69] Jack: Don't, don't, don't.
[81.69] Tony: He's already undressing.
[83.69] Tony: Yeah, that's it.
[84.69] Jack: Oh my gosh.
[85.69] Jack: I've got candles here.
[86.69] Jack: There's a shrine.
[87.69] Jack: There's a David shrine.
[89.69] David: Oh God, he's in his underpants already.
[93.69] David: No, actually, just way too much to do as usual.
[97.69] Jack: The tricopter empire.
[100.69] David: Yes.
[101.69] Jack: Did you ever catch the episode where I refer to Joshua Bardwell as a tricopter bigot?
[108.69] David: No.
[109.69] David: Which one was that?
[110.69] Jack: It's the episode with Joshua Bardwell in and he's like, why do you like flying a tricopter so much?
[115.69] Jack: And I'm like, well, it's swooshy.
[116.69] Jack: It kind of feels like a plane.
[118.69] Jack: And, you know, I'm like, you know, why don't you fly one if you're interested?
[122.69] Jack: And he was like, and I just called him a tricopter bigot.
[127.69] Jack: So yeah, that's a little weird fact.
[129.69] Jack: I know you've listened to some episodes and I apologize.
[132.69] Jack: And there is like some sort of support group and therapy available.
[138.69] Tony: It's actually coming on the show, I think.
[142.69] Tony: Yeah, he needs them after this.
[143.69] Jack: Yeah, that's it really.
[145.69] Jack: Oh man.
[147.69] David: No, it's fine.
[148.69] David: You guys are doing a good job.
[149.69] Jack: What have you listened to then?
[152.69] David: I listened to Tommy's today.
[154.69] David: Oh my God.
[156.69] Jack: So you've done you've done your little bit of research.
[158.69] Jack: You know what you're in for.
[160.69] David: Yeah, I don't know.
[161.69] David: I didn't want to listen to too many because I wanted to be surprised, but I couldn't stay away.
[168.69] David: No, actually, I've listened to like 10 of them so far.
[171.69] David: I'm backlogging.
[172.69] David: Wow.
[173.69] David: That's cool.
[174.69] Tony: That's just my jacks die.
[175.69] Tony: That's it.
[176.69] Jack: Yeah, I know my hero, David.
[178.69] Jack: That's it.
[179.69] Jack: Right.
[180.69] Jack: So I met you and you really helped me out with my wooden Anycopter back at Hobbyking Festival Flight.
[189.69] Jack: Yeah.
[190.69] David: Yeah.
[191.69] Jack: And are you going to ever return to any of those events?
[195.69] Jack: Do you reckon?
[196.69] Jack: Because I know that you got a ride in the Yak 52 and that's quite an interesting story.
[201.69] Jack: I don't know whether you want to tell it.
[202.69] Jack: Wow.
[203.69] David: Sure.
[204.69] David: Sure.
[205.69] David: Yeah, I showed up.
[207.69] David: I was invited by the Hobbyking crew.
[211.69] David: Yeah.
[212.69] David: Stuart.
[213.69] David: Stuart.
[214.69] David: Yes.
[215.69] David: Oh my gosh.
[216.69] David: He's such a good guy.
[217.69] David: Anyway, so yeah, they have a Yak 52 painted in the Hobbyking scheme.
[223.69] David: They actually sell that as a model now as well, I think, which is pretty cool.
[227.69] David: I need to buy one.
[229.69] David: Anyway, it's a Soviet or Russian plane, aerobatic, and it's old school.
[237.77] David: So like no electronics, everything is just working by magic, I guess.
[244.33] David: So I get the first flight out of the day because I'm the guest apparently, but they let everyone
[253.73] David: that worked at the Hobbyking workshop or the warehouse, I mean, flying that thing if
[261.13] David: they wanted to, which is awesome.
[263.61] David: Oh man.
[265.61] David: That is a crazy airplane.
[267.93] David: So he takes off.
[268.93] Jack: It's Nigel, isn't it?
[270.69] Jack: The pilot.
[271.69] Jack: Yes.
[272.69] Jack: Yeah.
[273.69] David: He's a nutter.
[274.69] David: I don't know how he does it because he flew the whole day and he did 3D aerobatics all
[280.01] David: day long.
[281.81] David: It was crazy.
[283.81] David: And we went up and he just lifts off a little bit, like two inches off the ground, then
[289.53] David: goes straight for a long time, like building up speed, and then he just pulls vertical.
[295.17] David: You have no clue it's coming in.
[296.45] David: It's like, whoa.
[298.45] David: And then yeah, up around wingovers, crazy flat spin things, and oh my gosh, it was amazing.
[307.13] David: And I could not walk afterwards.
[309.97] David: I had to sit down for like an hour.
[311.97] David: Yeah, it was cool.
[314.45] Jack: I like the safety briefing of like, let us know if you got anything in your pocket because
[319.01] David: you might die.
[321.01] David: Yeah, exactly.
[322.01] David: So sit down.
[323.01] David: OK, I'll take the longer version.
[325.37] David: You sit down.
[326.37] David: Nigel goes through what the aircraft is, like what you should and should not do.
[331.09] David: You get strapped in and it's tiny, this cockpit.
[334.61] David: But I've learned since then, it's actually pretty big.
[337.81] David: But it feels tiny when you're a little bit bigger, a guy like I am.
[343.41] David: And like you struggle in there and he's like, don't touch the pedals.
[350.09] David: Don't touch the stick until I tell you to.
[353.09] David: If you have anything in your pockets and don't take it out now, I've had people say they
[360.33] David: don't have anything in their pockets and then they do have things in their pocket and they
[364.53] David: fall out and they jam the elevator because it's raw linkage.
[369.01] David: We're all going to die.
[370.49] David: Oh, OK.
[372.17] David: So here's my phone.
[373.41] David: Take it.
[374.41] David: I don't think I have any coins like I'll know because we'll fly inverted.
[379.05] David: And if it's on the ceiling, I'll know I'll know to hit you when we come back.
[383.97] Jack: If we come back, oh, man, that is I don't know how you did it, man, because like I watched
[390.53] Jack: it and I was just like I would I'd be crawling out of once my head stops hitting the sides
[396.93] Jack: of the canopy like a pinball in a machine.
[400.21] Jack: I don't know.
[401.21] Jack: I think I'd probably be crying because that got this is mental.
[404.57] Jack: I mean, I went there last year and it was a bit more tame than that, but there's a couple
[410.25] Jack: of there's a couple of I can't remember what they were, but they were just like propped
[417.53] Jack: driven planes and they were literally scraping their wings on the edge, you know, on the
[423.57] Jack: ground of the farmer's field.
[425.69] Jack: I think that's why we're banned from going there.
[428.41] Jack: I think that's why they've had to move venue because it was just like these are so low.
[432.93] Jack: Yeah, we're moving somewhere else.
[435.81] Tony: Jimmy Barber says, did you yak in the yak?
[440.29] Tony: That's so clever.
[442.81] David: I see what you did there.
[445.05] David: Yeah, no, if if you ever get a chance to fly in a fully aerobatic airplane, do it, but
[452.85] David: don't fly for too long.
[455.77] Jack: I don't know.
[456.77] Tony: I've been in a tiger moth, but there was there was no aerobatics, but being in it and being
[462.09] Tony: in an open cockpit.
[463.97] Tony: Oh, my gosh.
[464.97] Tony: It's fantastic.
[465.97] Tony: It's brilliant.
[466.97] Tony: It's absolutely brilliant.
[468.97] David: Oh, my gosh.
[470.97] David: Yeah.
[471.97] David: Mm.
[472.97] David: Good times.
[473.97] David: It was a hobby king thing, and there was no multi-roader flight line at that place.
[477.97] David: We flew over like a dirt field.
[482.45] David: The multi-roader guys.
[483.45] David: Do you remember that?
[484.45] Jack: Yeah, yeah, it was it was completely it was still like that.
[487.97] Jack: It's still pretty much unorganized.
[490.57] Jack: And I think they're sorting it out this year, but like last year, it was like you'd call
[495.73] Jack: out anyone on channel five.
[497.65] Jack: No one will respond.
[498.65] Jack: You go and fly.
[499.89] Jack: And then all of a sudden, some of my turn.
[501.93] Jack: No, I'm all of a sudden.
[503.53] Jack: I get further out and then I'm in a camera ship.
[507.65] Jack: I'm in a hex.
[508.65] Tony: No.
[509.65] Jack: And then I just cut the throttle and then everyone's like, what happened there?
[514.09] Jack: And I'm like, I guess someone was already on channel five and everyone looks around
[519.33] Jack: at this kid and just completely nauseous.
[522.13] Jack: So yeah, so that's a bit of a bit of a nightmare.
[527.61] Jack: What is the extent of your full scale flying experience, David?
[532.45] Jack: Michael?
[533.45] Jack: Dan?
[534.45] Jack: Dan?
[535.45] David: Dan?
[536.45] Jack: Dan?
[537.45] David: Okay.
[538.45] David: So just a brief one, the major ones are hot air balloon, a blimp, three aerobatic airplanes,
[553.17] David: scale planes, and that should be it and just like smaller kid planes.
[559.37] Jack: You know, you're talking about the hot air balloon.
[561.29] Jack: Is that the one in the test episode?
[565.41] Jack: Yeah.
[566.41] Jack: Yes.
[567.41] David: Oh my God.
[568.41] David: That was amazing.
[569.41] David: And I flew the tricopter from that is cool.
[572.81] David: I loved watching that.
[573.81] Jack: Surely there was a bit of like, yeah, if you run that into the side of balloon, you're
[579.01] Jack: going to die.
[580.01] David: No, it's wait, maybe.
[582.01] David: No, I don't.
[583.85] David: I don't think.
[584.85] David: You didn't say anything about it.
[586.85] Jack: HQ props, you know, like nine in HQ props would just break if it was down, if it was
[593.53] Tony: down props, you might take the balloon down.
[596.57] Jack: Dude, have you honestly, have you got any videos that you just thought, you know what?
[600.33] Jack: I can't put these up on YouTube, but they're so beautiful.
[603.45] Jack: You must have a few.
[604.89] David: Not because it's beautiful, but I have done stuff that that I shouldn't post and I didn't.
[615.25] David: But there I look at them sometimes and they're they're really cool.
[619.65] David: Yeah, I think we've all got some of them.
[623.01] Jack: Yeah.
[624.49] Jack: I know you have.
[628.69] David: I have one.
[630.69] David: For instance, we flew at a refinery, oil refinery in the States at night and there's just
[640.89] David: lights everywhere on the structure.
[643.33] David: It's just absolutely gorgeous.
[645.09] David: And there's clouds just shooting up in the winter.
[649.17] David: So everything is just really super cloudy when it comes out because the steam just turns
[654.29] David: to the clouds instantly.
[657.61] David: And it was just so beautiful.
[660.01] David: Oh, my gosh.
[661.33] David: But they were they would have been really upset if they found out I flew there.
[669.41] David: Active terrorism.
[671.37] David: They had guns and stuff.
[672.97] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[674.73] Jack: What?
[675.25] Jack: Well, that's too scary.
[676.37] David: I wouldn't fly anywhere with someone like guns.
[678.29] Jack: Oh, my word.
[680.33] Jack: What is wrong with you?
[682.09] David: Well, let's just call that a Monday.
[684.13] Jack: No, man.
[685.81] Jack: So back in your what should we go for?
[690.53] Jack: Should we go for the Everglades or should we ask about the is, you know, flight test
[699.01] Jack: or what else can we what are you fancy tone?
[703.93] Tony: Well, I know what you fancy, but we stay off that subject.
[707.09] Jack: I know myself.
[709.05] Jack: So we can go on to the new Tricopter and what am I meant to do with the feedback
[715.21] Jack: servo and where is that meant to go?
[718.21] Jack: I can just look that up.
[719.29] David: But do you want to start there?
[722.73] Jack: I don't know what's going on in the new Tricopter world.
[725.85] Jack: Well done for the pins, by the way.
[727.17] Jack: I really like mine.
[727.89] Jack: Thank you.
[728.97] David: Sure thing.
[730.89] David: Yeah.
[731.13] David: Tricopter world, it's mostly firmware that did the big improvement to that
[738.77] David: because no one really cared about Tricopters like everyone just doing quad
[745.13] David: copters.
[745.65] David: So the code obviously reflects that clean flight and all other flights, really
[753.01] David: beta flight and all that, they are terrible at controlling servos.
[757.85] David: So they have no clue.
[758.93] David: They treat it like another speed controller and it doesn't really work
[762.61] David: like that and the way that the unequal P-forces and all that, how that plays
[770.13] David: into the flying experience.
[772.25] David: So it's kind of, it flew pretty terrible in the beginning.
[777.53] David: I can tell you that the large one is fine because everything is so slow.
[782.37] David: And that's why I built it that size because it flew really good on almost
[788.69] David: any flight controller, like the KK-1, like it flew fantastic on that.
[795.41] David: That's more or less worth it.
[796.85] Jack: With Steve's firmware though.
[799.29] David: Yes.
[799.73] Jack: Have you still got him or is it just Looper now?
[802.81] David: Leo.
[804.77] David: Leo Lager and oh my gosh, that's the, what's his name?
[810.93] David: Crap, I forgot.
[811.85] David: He's a Swedish guy.
[813.69] David: He's really helpful as well.
[814.89] David: He's helped a ton with the code.
[816.21] David: Sorry, I can't remember your name.
[817.77] David: Oh, no, no, it's awful.
[822.69] David: Sorry, that's my dog.
[823.89] David: My wife is coming home.
[825.89] David: Oh, yeah.
[827.77] Jack: You need to, you need to get her to say hello, by the way, because we saw her
[831.73] Jack: in your last video and it's like, oh, Joe, you were really missing them when,
[836.41] Jack: when we saw you, you know, from like, you know, hobby king and being in the states
[841.81] Jack: a while, you found it quite hard to, to leave and that, I mean, is it nice being
[845.57] Jack: back or do you miss flight test a lot?
[849.45] David: I miss the old flight test.
[851.25] David: I really do.
[852.41] David: Yeah.
[854.17] David: Like the just hanging out in Chad's basement and working on whatever crazy
[860.13] David: project I felt like was just amazing.
[864.13] David: Like I had really the time of my life.
[866.21] David: I worked maybe 14 hours a day, at least like, and I didn't feel like work.
[872.77] David: Just had fun and just created content, which, I mean, it's great.
[878.89] David: Doing it with other people is just fantastic.
[881.97] David: But my life here doesn't really suck either.
[885.21] David: I can do whatever I want all day, every day.
[889.45] Jack: Yeah.
[889.97] Jack: Michael was like, we all miss the old flight test.
[892.97] Jack: There's a lot less moly rotors, big time.
[897.05] Jack: And yeah, it's a shame really, but you know, it's kind of, it's his own thing.
[902.57] Jack: I guess now.
[903.73] David: Yeah.
[904.41] David: They're still trying to find their, uh, the new groove kind of they're testing new
[909.09] David: stuff.
[911.21] David: I'll see.
[911.93] David: Hope it, uh, hope it gets that old feeling back.
[915.73] David: Really liked it.
[916.65] Jack: Yeah.
[917.09] Jack: Uh, I think you would probably need to come back for a while.
[920.25] Jack: Um, also like how you were portrayed, were you always the one up to no good
[924.81] Jack: making naughty, naughty stuff, you know, inducted butane jets and stuff?
[930.85] Jack: Yeah.
[931.29] Jack: Uh, well you, because, uh, apparently you were quite safety conscious, but
[935.49] David: they kind of didn't actually, I'm not really just, I don't want to hurt other
[941.81] David: people, but, uh, otherwise I'm, I'm completely fine with doing things.
[946.13] Jack: Oh my God.
[947.21] Jack: I saw the hidden, um, like a video of you and the Y six trying to lift the plane.
[954.89] Jack: That was horrific.
[957.09] David: Uh, it was, yeah, that's, uh, that should not have happened, but it was fine.
[963.13] Jack: The duck of death, the dragon's lair says, oh, it's a swan.
[967.65] Jack: It's a swan.
[968.81] Jack: No, it's not a swan.
[970.25] David: It's a goose.
[971.01] Jack: Yeah.
[971.25] Jack: Goose.
[971.69] Jack: That's it.
[972.33] David: The Canada goose.
[973.73] Jack: Canadian goose.
[975.05] David: No, it's not.
[975.65] Jack: It's Canada goose.
[978.25] David: Yeah.
[978.45] David: I couldn't get the Canada one.
[980.01] David: I got a gray one, gray goose.
[982.73] Jack: Um, the, the, the crackers.
[985.73] Jack: Can you tell the story about that?
[987.61] David: Oh, okay.
[988.37] David: So there's a, uh, a secondhand shop called the bomb shelter in, uh, pretty
[994.77] David: close to where Chad lives and they sell all kinds of old stuff like, uh, military
[1000.85] David: surplus and like weird random stuff.
[1004.61] David: And they had these crackers from when was it?
[1011.25] David: They were like 60 years old.
[1014.53] Jack: They look like rot.
[1015.85] Jack: That's all I can say.
[1017.53] David: Uh, it was fine.
[1019.13] David: It was a huge survival crackers, like big tin can and the, the, the, the, the
[1025.25] David: can was huge, like it was big.
[1028.33] David: So I wanted to do a taste test to see how it actually tasted that long after.
[1034.57] David: Like they expired like 60 years ago.
[1037.25] David: I can't remember the exact.
[1039.29] David: Oh, and when you bit into it, it was like, this is fine.
[1047.37] David: And then you're like, Oh my gosh, this is the worst thing of all time.
[1051.81] David: Oh my God.
[1052.33] David: It was so bad.
[1053.05] David: It was like, cause, um, they used like olive oil or something.
[1059.13] David: That does not stay good.
[1063.49] Jack: It reminds me of a YouTube channel called ashens.
[1066.49] Jack: And he often eats like really old stuff and it's just not good.
[1071.41] Jack: Yeah.
[1071.61] Jack: Leo's put up the link.
[1073.93] David: Great.
[1074.29] David: 52 years old.
[1075.25] David: Okay.
[1075.49] David: That's it.
[1075.85] Jack: Yeah.
[1076.29] Jack: Oh my God.
[1078.45] Jack: Uh, okay.
[1080.65] Jack: Um, any, what about the Everglades, the video of you being in the tiger den?
[1088.17] Jack: I've always wanted to ask you about that and the sort of crazy things that you
[1092.25] Jack: have filmed and experiences you look back on.
[1095.45] David: Okay.
[1095.81] David: So that's a good story.
[1097.45] David: It was the first time I was over in the States.
[1100.09] David: Um, so I was with Chad for two and a half months.
[1105.25] David: And then I went for one week to Florida and then two weeks to, uh, California.
[1116.37] David: And when I went to Florida, it was with the guy, uh, stayed with the guy.
[1121.17] David: That was a nature filmer.
[1124.41] David: Like that's all he did.
[1125.85] David: Was just shoot nature stuff.
[1128.69] David: So he knew all these guys that have animals and take care of them and they
[1135.65] David: rescue animals.
[1137.29] David: So there's this place where they, um, like have alligators, like the alligator
[1145.61] David: farm can't remember the name, but they also have rescued animals.
[1149.77] David: They're like a grizzly bear and a Florida panther and stuff like that.
[1156.85] David: It was awesome.
[1157.81] David: And she was so cuddly by the way.
[1160.97] David: Oh my gosh, such a cool animal.
[1162.57] David: It's huge.
[1163.25] David: The bear, Florida panther is really cool.
[1168.89] David: I was like, get to go into a cage and pet her and like, oh my gosh, that was so
[1173.93] David: good.
[1174.09] Jack: I have actual full on panda.
[1177.13] David: No, not a panda.
[1179.21] David: Panther, like, yes.
[1183.65] David: Oh my gosh.
[1184.17] David: So cool.
[1184.77] David: Her head is larger than your own head.
[1187.17] David: Like, oh, I don't know about Jax, but yeah.
[1192.57] David: Okay.
[1192.81] David: Anyway.
[1193.17] David: So yeah, I got, I got to rub you with catnip and stuff you in there.
[1197.41] Jack: That's what I'd do.
[1198.81] Jack: Enjoy.
[1200.53] Tony: Sorry.
[1201.29] Tony: We're going all subject carry on.
[1202.69] Jack: We've had a little lover's tiff because Tony was like literally destroying
[1206.65] Jack: everything.
[1208.73] Tony: Everything's fine.
[1209.77] Jack: Tony learned what feedback is on like full gain.
[1213.37] Jack: Yes.
[1214.17] Jack: Yeah, it hurt.
[1216.89] David: Okay.
[1217.21] David: So they had these alligators.
[1218.65] David: I flew around the alligators and, uh, uh, it was pretty awesome.
[1223.17] David: He told them not to feed them before we got there.
[1226.25] David: So they were nice and hungry.
[1227.77] Jack: Oh my God.
[1228.53] Jack: What point have you like, you know, you're sitting in like, you know, the
[1232.77] Jack: little, uh, what, what, what are they called?
[1237.13] Jack: Like it's not, uh, the hide.
[1239.25] Jack: No, he was in like a little jet.
[1242.09] Jack: No, it's not a jet ski.
[1244.05] Jack: Yeah.
[1244.29] Jack: The flat boat.
[1245.49] David: Okay.
[1245.89] David: That's later though.
[1247.41] Jack: Yeah.
[1247.89] Jack: It's just like, what part of that is like, you're going to die.
[1251.49] Jack: Surely.
[1253.21] David: It's a pretty crazy place.
[1254.49] David: Cause yeah, you sit down and like, Oh, that's an alligator.
[1257.81] David: Like there was alligators in the, on the side of the road, like in those
[1263.61] David: little ditches, like that's crazy.
[1267.25] David: Yeah.
[1268.05] David: Oh my gosh.
[1268.53] David: Such craziness, but that boat, the airboat, that was so cool.
[1272.05] David: Cause they can just go everywhere there and they're fast and they sound cool.
[1277.09] David: And it's like Magnum PI.
[1279.05] Jack: Did you get any prop wash from it?
[1280.89] Jack: No.
[1281.85] David: Oh yeah.
[1283.73] David: Oh my gosh.
[1284.85] David: I mean, it produces so much thrust.
[1287.53] David: It's crazy that that prop is like as tall as you are.
[1292.61] David: Like it's, it's fantastic.
[1295.13] David: Sounds amazing too.
[1297.53] David: You can't hear anything if you ride on one of those without the hearing protection.
[1302.25] Jack: Oh my word.
[1303.81] Jack: Cause I noticed you went down.
[1305.05] Jack: Did that totally toast your tricopter?
[1307.97] David: No, it was fine.
[1308.85] David: It's their old wooden one.
[1310.41] David: Yeah.
[1311.29] David: It floats.
[1312.97] David: Kind of does.
[1313.73] David: Yeah.
[1314.41] Jack: So you just brush it off 12 volt.
[1316.45] Jack: No problem.
[1317.69] David: Yeah.
[1318.21] David: Three self 2200.
[1320.29] Jack: Really?
[1321.01] Jack: No way.
[1322.49] David: Yep.
[1323.09] David: Yep.
[1323.49] David: The good old days.
[1324.41] Jack: Oh my word.
[1325.41] Jack: I know.
[1325.85] Jack: I just like, we are savages.
[1328.25] Jack: You know what I mean?
[1329.05] Jack: Like back in the day, like what were we doing?
[1330.89] Jack: It was the greatest time, but.
[1332.49] Jack: Oh, it was.
[1333.61] Jack: Oh, I was so good.
[1334.41] Jack: Have you finally moved over to a Taranis or are you still on the Aurora 9?
[1338.21] David: No, I'm on the Taranis now.
[1339.81] Jack: Hey, at last.
[1342.01] Jack: I bet you're hating the sticks though.
[1344.33] David: I hate the sticks and I hate the firmware.
[1346.69] David: It's like I hate the interface.
[1348.05] David: Everything.
[1348.49] David: I just hate it, but it works good.
[1350.85] Jack: It's cheap.
[1351.61] Jack: I did try and help you with the firmware.
[1353.85] Jack: I was like, Dave, do you want any help?
[1355.45] Jack: And you were like, no, I've done it now.
[1357.13] Jack: I was like, oh gosh, I know.
[1359.41] Jack: I'm like, sorry, David.
[1361.09] David: It can do.
[1361.81] David: The problem is it can do everything.
[1363.93] David: It's just very painful doing anything.
[1366.41] Jack: Yeah, you do need like, I mean, it could be worse.
[1369.29] Jack: It could be like Sharpoo, where he's got no buttons.
[1371.69] Jack: And he's like poking stuff with a screwdriver.
[1373.85] Tony: I think that's like Bradder's.
[1375.25] Tony: Yeah, he has to take his lighter apart to program stuff.
[1380.37] Tony: You know, he takes the middle out and then pokes the button, you know,
[1383.89] Tony: button to make it look well, funny.
[1386.53] David: Oh yeah.
[1387.01] David: Before I forget the tiger that we filmed.
[1390.37] David: Yeah, that was a guy that had animals that he trained for the zoo.
[1399.65] David: So those were zoo trained tigers.
[1402.65] David: He had four tigers, two lions, Florida panther, and some other weird animals.
[1412.33] David: But it was pretty cool.
[1413.49] David: So he got this that's his backyard, like, and he took out the the tigers
[1421.17] David: one at a time and let them run around, play a little bit there
[1424.61] David: so they could stretch their legs and be alone for a bit.
[1428.49] David: And he we already asked him, is it OK if we come and fly?
[1433.85] David: And he's like, yeah, sure.
[1435.01] David: Well, I'll be there.
[1437.57] David: So he let out a tiger.
[1439.13] David: And I'm sitting on a wooden stump, like sitting there
[1444.21] David: in the backyard, flying around, flying after the chasing this tiger around.
[1449.61] David: And he was really playful.
[1450.85] David: He really wanted to get at it and swipe at it.
[1454.01] David: And I turn around like fly behind him
[1458.41] David: and I see myself sitting in this wooden stump with a tiger between me and the copter.
[1464.77] Jack: Oh, my God.
[1465.69] Jack: Can you imagine seeing yourself get killed in third person?
[1469.21] Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[1469.93] Jack: FPV death of yourself.
[1473.13] David: That would be how that would be an experience.
[1475.25] Jack: That is horrible.
[1476.57] Jack: Death by FPV.
[1479.05] Jack: Oh, my word.
[1480.09] Jack: Not by FPV.
[1481.53] Jack: No, no, from during FPV death.
[1486.09] David: I'm surprised you didn't call it that.
[1488.05] Jack: No, it's fine.
[1490.73] Jack: Chris H, I want to see a 3D tricopter.
[1494.85] Tony: How that won't work with it?
[1497.57] Jack: Well, it will.
[1498.41] Jack: I showed David something, you know, a tricopter with that would not a tricopter,
[1504.41] David: though, it's kind of, but not really because it has four motors.
[1509.41] Jack: Well, it's only allowed three.
[1511.33] David: Well, that is trying.
[1512.41] Frank: Well, that's a trying.
[1514.13] Jack: Well, it's only got three points on there, though.
[1516.61] Frank: That's true.
[1517.17] Jack: That's why four.
[1519.21] Jack: Yes.
[1520.01] David: Really?
[1521.21] David: Why?
[1522.25] Jack: Yeah, but you would.
[1524.01] Jack: Yeah, I suppose you'd only be technically using like one and a half.
[1528.69] Jack: Only ever any one time.
[1531.13] Tony: Three and a half quad.
[1532.69] Jack: Yeah.
[1533.77] Tony: Yeah, it's not quite got the ring there.
[1536.13] Jack: Yeah, but that would that would 3D.
[1539.29] David: Yeah, maybe.
[1542.73] David: No, what?
[1543.73] David: No, because the thrust factor would be.
[1547.69] David: Maybe, yeah, maybe.
[1549.69] Jack: Yeah, you just have to invert when there's only one way to find out.
[1553.01] Tony: We're going to have to experiment.
[1554.17] Jack: Yeah, David, you've got a challenge, my friend.
[1558.45] Tony: Let's try an outcha.
[1559.73] Jack: Michael says, it seems like you definitely get better shots
[1562.89] Jack: with a stake on your tricopter.
[1565.89] Frank: Well, if you're flying around tigers, then yes.
[1568.53] Jack: Yeah, but it would have something to do with the FAA or CIA in Florida.
[1574.17] Jack: Did you hit the guy with the airboat with the try?
[1577.25] David: No, I did not.
[1578.25] David: But I was so close.
[1580.85] David: I literally was two millimeters from him felt like he didn't know.
[1587.25] David: But I'm like, if I could see his hair, the individual hairs through the GoPro,
[1593.17] David: I was pretty close.
[1594.65] Jack: Oh, hang on, people.
[1596.21] Jack: People want to look at the serverless tricopter KK 2.1.
[1600.73] Jack: Hang on. That's it.
[1602.33] Jack: I've got it.
[1604.77] Tony: We're sending it in the chat.
[1606.53] Jack: Yeah, sorry.
[1607.61] Jack: People are like, what the hell are you going on about?
[1611.65] Jack: I guess.
[1612.61] David: Yeah, do you want to explain that?
[1613.81] David: How that looked?
[1615.09] Jack: I've done it.
[1616.21] Jack: I've put the link in the tricopter.
[1619.57] Tony: We've got a question from Captain Prime.
[1621.81] Tony: Do you still fly through a GoPro, David?
[1624.53] Tony: No, he's not an animal.
[1626.37] Tony: I do.
[1627.25] Tony: Oh, there you go.
[1629.45] Jack: No, no, on his on his mini tricopter, he doesn't in his.
[1632.45] David: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's way too fast.
[1634.21] David: But on the large one, it's just that's fine.
[1636.61] Tony: Yeah, but did you not have any problems?
[1639.13] Tony: Because GoPro changed their protocol, didn't they?
[1641.09] Jack: Yeah, with the new GoPros, you can't.
[1643.93] Tony: You can't fly through FPV for them, can you not?
[1646.61] Jack: But I think you can still access it by the back.
[1649.61] Jack: On the new firmware, if you update your GoPro to the latest firmware,
[1654.21] Jack: it you no longer get the video out on.
[1659.09] Jack: On the USB.
[1660.21] David: What?
[1661.17] David: That's retarded.
[1662.33] Jack: Yeah, because they wanted to release their own.
[1664.97] Tony: Drone, isn't it?
[1666.21] Tony: So they stopped.
[1668.29] Tony: So, yeah, don't update.
[1669.89] Jack: Yeah, if you if you type it in, there's a guy called
[1674.57] Jack: what's his name?
[1675.13] Jack: HPI guy, and he updated his GoPro and was like, great, I've got no AV out.
[1681.73] David: Wow, that is what a bad move.
[1686.41] Tony: Oh, my gosh, I don't know if they've rectified that,
[1688.45] Tony: but that was the last I heard of it.
[1692.13] Tony: Oh, yeah, I don't know what they're doing at GoPro.
[1694.89] Jack: Yeah, I I give up, I really do.
[1699.77] Jack: So, yeah, like I'm guessing all the new GoPros,
[1702.65] Jack: or then from like GoPro five, you won't have a AV out.
[1706.81] Jack: I don't think the session and stuff like that.
[1709.25] David: I know that doesn't have it now.
[1710.81] Jack: Yeah, so that kind of that really blows.
[1714.77] Tony: How much does the session weigh compared to a normal GoPro?
[1717.61] Tony: GoPros normally 100 gram.
[1720.61] Tony: I don't know.
[1721.97] David: It's like 65 percent of it or something.
[1726.41] David: I can't remember.
[1727.61] Jack: So are you finally done with the the tricopter mini?
[1732.37] Jack: You know, apart from the firmware, obviously.
[1734.81] Jack: Do you reckon there's going to be any revisions?
[1736.69] Jack: Because like you've added a lot of things.
[1738.81] Jack: I had a quick little look at my one I ordered.
[1741.33] Jack: You've got like the.
[1743.49] Jack: You've got like the tail stopper.
[1745.37] Jack: That was quite a nice idea.
[1746.89] Jack: You've got the covered barometer.
[1748.93] Jack: Now, you know, it's an F3 board.
[1751.37] Jack: And what made you go to a micro,
[1755.09] Jack: a mini USB instead of the micro?
[1758.17] David: Because people rip the mini off the micro off.
[1763.41] David: Yeah, micro. Yeah.
[1764.65] David: And the mini is much more robust.
[1766.81] David: It has much better, longer solder pads,
[1770.13] David: and it sticks much better on there.
[1773.65] David: Thank you. That's mostly it.
[1774.93] David: Yeah, good idea.
[1776.57] David: Yeah. Yeah.
[1777.77] David: There's way too many.
[1778.73] David: And people do it on the normal flight controllers as well.
[1781.65] David: Like just stand alone flight controllers as well.
[1784.73] Jack: Yeah, it's not too bad because I, you know, my buddy Niko that you met
[1789.21] Jack: the best of all flight or my wife, as some people call them.
[1793.45] Jack: Yes. He he ripped his USB off
[1797.81] Jack: and we had to access it via,
[1801.49] Jack: you know, FTDI by the TX and RX pitons.
[1806.29] Jack: So you located them nice to the side.
[1808.77] Jack: So that was quite a nice way of getting around it.
[1812.21] Jack: How's the forum going?
[1814.21] Jack: Is it quiet or is it picked up or?
[1817.85] David: It's steady.
[1819.85] David: It's mostly people post about their problems
[1824.25] David: and they get help and then they post about their successes
[1829.13] David: and like they like sharing their videos and pictures and that.
[1833.01] David: And then just some it's a lot of improvement talks like, oh, we
[1837.65] David: we should do this. We should do that.
[1839.69] Frank: And that is the best thing ever.
[1843.21] Frank: Captain Prime in the chat says you should add an upgrade kit to
[1848.05] Frank: for the upgrades for the mini try.
[1852.05] David: Currently, it's just the flight controller for that.
[1856.57] David: They need to change.
[1858.25] David: Then we go. Yeah.
[1860.25] David: And the tricopter version for change the
[1864.57] David: battery plate and the landing gears.
[1868.61] Jack: Any any desire to make the side plates of the mini tricopter carbon fiber
[1875.93] Jack: and the top plate?
[1877.45] David: You know, the very yes, I mean, I could do it very easily.
[1881.77] David: It's just a very it's a lot more costly.
[1884.89] David: Yes. Yeah.
[1886.21] David: So if people want it, I might do a limited run to see how
[1890.65] David: how it does, because it would look really nice.
[1893.97] Jack: Yeah, I wouldn't mind one.
[1895.45] Jack: I I don't know.
[1897.61] Jack: I don't know whether you've ever seen my mini tricopter
[1900.73] Jack: because I've run it on.
[1901.65] Tony: We've all seen it. Thank you.
[1903.57] Jack: Twenty two oh six isn't that I kind of went against the grain.
[1907.65] Jack: But I'm so glad you are not using the.
[1911.45] Jack: Oh, God, what are they called?
[1913.65] David: The GIS. Yeah, twenty two oh eight.
[1916.65] David: Yeah. Yeah.
[1918.01] Jack: Like, oh, they were like the worst.
[1921.53] Jack: Really? I don't know.
[1922.81] Jack: Like, I just I I just.
[1926.25] Jack: Didn't like I thought they were a bit too big.
[1928.73] David: They are too big.
[1930.93] David: Yeah. But on the other hand, they're super efficient
[1934.89] David: and they have the most linear response curve ever.
[1940.21] David: Mm hmm. So it's very good to train on.
[1943.01] Jack: Yeah, I don't know.
[1944.49] Jack: I went for the twenty two oh six cobras, a little bit more KV and stuff.
[1948.93] Jack: Are you finding it with the tri props?
[1952.45] Jack: I like it more and more acrobatic
[1955.85] Jack: because you're still not really racing it, racing it, are you?
[1959.13] David: No, I'm not.
[1959.93] David: No, I'm not.
[1961.13] David: But you can now with the new firmware, it flies really good.
[1965.41] David: I actually had a pro pilot here
[1968.77] David: and he the flight squads
[1971.09] David: like competes and wins here in Sweden.
[1974.85] David: And he really liked it.
[1976.05] David: He thought it was a really good idea to race with it
[1978.61] David: because you can use so much more of the power available during turns.
[1983.25] David: Mm hmm. Because on a quadcopter, you have to
[1987.53] David: the opposite spinning motors have to
[1991.37] David: slow down if you're going to do a hard yaw turn.
[1994.37] David: So you lose lift on those.
[1996.13] David: But on the tricopter, you never have to slow down any prop, more or less.
[2000.45] Tony: Yeah, Jack, why aren't you racing or anything like that with your tricotters?
[2005.37] Frank: David, do you know anyone who's been racing with them?
[2008.09] Tony: One guy in there.
[2009.81] Frank: But I know one guy.
[2011.53] Tony: Yeah, I'm going to I think you should get your race in.
[2015.33] Jack: Yeah, I'm going to basically try and race mine at the
[2022.09] Jack: formula FPV. What are you two up to inspiring against me?
[2027.05] Tony: No, don't panic.
[2029.29] Tony: See what you're going to fly.
[2030.61] Tony: Oh, yeah, you said this last week.
[2031.85] Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm planning to do.
[2035.29] Frank: I think there was a question earlier, actually, David.
[2038.89] Frank: Have you got any events you're planning to go to in particular?
[2042.33] Frank: Formula FPV?
[2045.33] David: No, not Formula FPV, but Flightfest.
[2049.97] David: Is the next thing.
[2051.45] David: So, yeah, that's kind of it at the moment.
[2055.93] David: Nothing else planned.
[2057.81] Jack: Come and hang out. You're welcome here.
[2059.61] Jack: That's it. There's always a spare side on Tony's bed.
[2063.61] Jack: That's my mum.
[2066.73] Tony: Right, we're playing like that, aren't we?
[2068.85] Jack: I don't know.
[2069.85] Tony: Right, let's go there, shall we?
[2071.77] Jack: Yeah.
[2074.29] Jack: Hang on.
[2076.09] Jack: Oh, God, what was I going to say?
[2077.57] Jack: Yeah, I think I stripped out my servo gear.
[2080.45] Jack: You know, that horrific crash that you saved me from?
[2083.17] Jack: I was flying with Tony.
[2084.65] Jack: I was flying in between these roof beams.
[2086.97] Jack: And I smacked my GoPro and clipped the top of these roof beams.
[2093.25] Jack: And it ripped out both of my antennas from my D4R2.
[2097.77] Jack: So, yeah, so I remember.
[2099.41] Jack: Yeah, so my my tricopter just flipped upside down and then sucked itself
[2105.81] Jack: to the ground, full pelt.
[2107.89] Tony: Yeah, and was still going when I got there.
[2110.17] Jack: So it's very interesting that you fail.
[2114.45] Jack: I fail safe all well and good, except when when you're actually
[2119.09] Tony: your antennas disappeared.
[2120.45] Tony: Yeah, it doesn't work.
[2122.13] Jack: So technically, you're still I don't know how that works.
[2125.45] Jack: It was so bizarre.
[2126.61] Jack: What a weird fail safe.
[2127.97] Tony: It was scary.
[2128.85] Tony: I had to stand on it to turn it off.
[2130.73] Jack: Yeah, it was just so every time I crashed,
[2135.41] Jack: I had to reset the servo and I haven't done the.
[2140.53] Jack: I've done the feedback mod.
[2142.45] Jack: You know, you put up a post about that, completely lost it.
[2145.45] Jack: Don't know where that is now.
[2146.93] Jack: I thought, do you know what?
[2148.29] Jack: I'm just going to order a new servo because you've released the new
[2152.97] Jack: you know, the gear kit.
[2154.61] Jack: And I'm just like, you know, I can probably make another servo
[2157.73] Jack: out of the the pieces that are left.
[2160.85] David: Yep. So, and yeah, the servo feedback wire is a huge thing.
[2168.93] Jack: Yes, it is no more alignment.
[2172.81] David: Oh, it's good.
[2175.45] David: It's not just that you can do that with a normal servo, but the flight
[2178.89] David: controller knows at all times exactly where the servo is.
[2182.37] David: It doesn't have to guess anymore.
[2183.89] David: Well, that will help.
[2186.01] David: It will help a ton because it it knows
[2191.01] David: since it knows where it is, it can extrapolate from that where it should go.
[2197.29] David: And like if if something changes very quickly,
[2202.77] David: like if you get a waggle or something from a wind,
[2205.93] David: it doesn't have to move the servo all the way over to one side
[2208.77] David: and then back again, it's like, OK, it's already.
[2212.13] David: Oh, I know it's not.
[2213.49] David: It hasn't reached that point.
[2215.13] David: So I can just skip going there and stuff like that.
[2218.13] David: And I can predict things. It's pretty cool.
[2220.61] Frank: Sounds an awful lot like there's another pit loop in there.
[2224.09] David: Yeah, maybe a little bit, maybe a little bit.
[2228.69] Frank: And then there's the question of is that something else that needs tuning?
[2232.01] Frank: Although I have heard good things about the tail tune.
[2235.01] David: The tail tune is awesome.
[2236.89] David: It helps a ton.
[2238.21] Jack: Could never get mine to work ever.
[2240.21] Jack: Really? Never.
[2241.69] Jack: I do it. It would beep and then it would shut up.
[2244.81] Jack: And I'd never hear it beep again.
[2246.85] David: Did you set your dead band on your joystick?
[2251.57] Jack: Yeah, I think I did.
[2253.17] Tony: Oh, yeah, you kind of went, yeah.
[2255.89] Tony: And then you squinted your eyes like, yeah, did I?
[2260.61] Tony: Don't make me plug it in right now.
[2262.21] Jack: I will load Clean Fly up and ruin this bandwidth.
[2265.69] Jack: All right, hang on. There's
[2268.17] Jack: yeah, the Cap Prime, Captain Prime,
[2271.13] Jack: you should add an upgrade kit would have saved me from ordering twice.
[2276.33] Frank: We said that.
[2277.33] Jack: Yeah, I missed.
[2278.13] Frank: You also just said, is it possible to add the feedback wire to a nonfeedback servo?
[2282.69] Frank: Yeah, I believe the answer is yes, but it's on the servo. Yes.
[2287.09] Jack: Well, the bluebirds, the bluebirds, no problem.
[2291.21] David: Just solder on one wire and you're good to go.
[2293.81] Jack: Where does that wire plug in?
[2295.89] David: The middle pin of the hell sensor.
[2298.77] David: So when you take it apart, you can see
[2301.53] David: just where the wires go out of the servo.
[2303.73] David: There's a unit there that has three pins.
[2308.85] David: So you just solder it to the middle when you're good to go.
[2311.53] Jack: OK, and then where does that connect in the tricopter?
[2315.37] David: It goes to if you have the NACE 32, it goes to the pin six on the receiver side.
[2321.53] David: It's easiest to do or pin eight or yeah.
[2325.57] David: Pin six or eight are the easiest ones to do on the F3FC board.
[2330.65] David: There's a dedicated pad for it on the inside. OK, cool.
[2335.13] Frank: Um, is there anything?
[2338.29] Frank: You've got the F3FC board all out, but the there's the brain
[2343.57] Frank: are one that's going to go out on preorder on Monday.
[2348.21] Frank: That that's F4.
[2350.21] Frank: Is F4 better than F3?
[2352.09] Frank: In which case is it a problem that all of a sudden now we've got F4
[2356.57] Frank: coming out as well, or is F4 is better?
[2360.61] David: Of course, it's better and more power and all that.
[2363.49] David: But on the other hand, we are not using all the power in the F3 board.
[2369.69] David: Not. Yeah, we're not even.
[2372.53] David: Yeah, we're pretty far from it.
[2374.49] David: So it should last quite a while.
[2376.49] Jack: Even then, it's overclocking.
[2378.41] Jack: You know, there's it's got the possibilities for that.
[2381.61] Frank: Yep. But I think the big thing about the brain, the RA1,
[2385.49] Frank: is that it's the OSD on board, isn't it? Yes, it's sweet.
[2390.41] Frank: Have you? How how much have you had a look at it?
[2393.77] Frank: Have you got one or have you?
[2395.77] David: I do not have one, but yeah, I just watched YouTube videos
[2399.77] David: and all that chat chat with them a little bit.
[2404.54] Frank: That's that's definitely something on the way, because that's based on Dronin.
[2410.06] Frank: Yeah, yes.
[2412.06] Frank: Dronin is the firmware.
[2420.46] David: Yes, and it does autopilot and all craziness, auto land and GPS stuff.
[2426.7] Frank: And apparently their auto tune is pretty good as well.
[2432.3] Frank: So like it's another option now.
[2436.14] Frank: Yeah, the auto tuning clean flight has never I think it's just given up now,
[2441.38] Frank: isn't it? It's not really gone anywhere.
[2443.26] Jack: But I remember that was as much good as a condom machine in the Vatican.
[2447.66] Jack: As far as I'm concerned, that was awful.
[2449.98] Jack: I remember the first time I used that, my quad took up high into the sky,
[2455.22] Jack: turned completely upside down and then stuff it into the floor.
[2460.1] Jack: Boom. Like that flunk.
[2462.54] Jack: And then only after the fit of laughter.
[2466.14] Tony: Coming from all your friends.
[2468.1] Jack: Just me, myself.
[2470.06] Jack: I got so muddy.
[2471.06] Jack: I just hit the floor with laughter and I was just like dying.
[2474.86] Jack: I was just like, this is great.
[2476.82] Jack: And then clap, clap, clap.
[2479.18] Jack: Well done, Hydra.
[2480.38] Tony: Well done.
[2481.74] Jack: So, yeah, oh, God, that was the most horrific thing ever.
[2486.74] Jack: I was too scared of G-Tune as well.
[2489.22] Jack: Didn't even use that.
[2490.34] Jack: You know, I used it once.
[2492.1] Jack: You used it once, thank you.
[2493.14] Tony: My PIDs went to like 10 or something.
[2494.9] Jack: Yeah, mental.
[2497.94] Frank: But yeah, because the tail tune obviously with some people, it works.
[2502.9] Frank: Maybe if they've got their your dead band sorted out.
[2505.66] Frank: But is that something that you've sort of worked on yourself?
[2509.74] Frank: Is that your own little baby project?
[2511.62] Frank: Or is that other people working with you on that one?
[2514.02] Frank: I'm just going to be expanded to other parts of the tuning process.
[2520.86] Frank: Like, can you feed that back into Clean Flight and other things
[2524.14] Frank: and use it for other things?
[2525.62] Frank: Or is it very specifically for the yaw on a tricopter?
[2529.06] David: It's only for the yaw on a tricopter.
[2531.78] David: And so you can't really use it for anything else.
[2534.9] David: So what it does when you're in the air, do the in-flight tuning part of it.
[2541.22] David: The first thing you do before you do the flight, you do it on the ground
[2545.62] David: and you set up the angle so you have 40 degrees deflection left and right.
[2550.34] David: And then it's straight up when it's there's mid-stick, it's actually pointing straight up.
[2557.98] David: And then we start hovering.
[2559.94] David: The I-term will start winding up because the P-factor is unequal, as we know.
[2566.5] David: So the copter wants to turn or yaw around and the I-term is compensating for that.
[2572.98] David: So you don't want that because it's just going to wind up until it does bad stuff
[2577.46] David: and it's not going to fly good.
[2580.02] David: So the tail tune fixes that.
[2582.26] David: So it uses as little I-term as possible when it's hovering, which is good.
[2587.7] David: So, you know, you have a stable base when you're hovering.
[2591.38] David: The tail is at like zero where everything is in equilibrium.
[2598.66] David: And that's really what it does.
[2599.66] David: It doesn't do crazy amount of stuff like that's it.
[2603.22] Jack: Plans for the RC Explorer team?
[2609.14] David: No plans at the moment, but that would be really good.
[2612.18] David: Actually, that would be cool to have sponsored pilots flying racing with it
[2618.02] David: because it would be really interesting if someone actually won something with a tricopter.
[2622.86] Jack: That would be cool, man.
[2625.18] Jack: Two things.
[2626.1] Jack: One is, are you actually working for Rotor Riot?
[2630.26] Jack: And then the other thing is, do you actually own a mini quadcopter?
[2635.58] David: Okay, first question then is, I don't work for Rotor Riot.
[2640.98] David: I work a little bit with them, like everything Chad does is magic.
[2648.1] David: I mean, everything he does is just...
[2650.94] David: Midas.
[2654.62] David: I really, everything he does, I will support.
[2657.22] David: And this was his latest project.
[2661.82] David: So I went over and visited and helped out a bit.
[2665.46] David: And I mean, yeah, it was just, I don't know.
[2671.02] David: I don't work for them, but I don't mind helping out, shooting videos or...
[2675.98] Jack: Yeah, no, you changed your employment status to works at Rotor Riot, that was all.
[2680.98] David: That was mainly, so I got admin privileges at their site.
[2688.26] David: So I could post stuff and do periscopes with them.
[2692.26] Jack: Okay.
[2692.7] Jack: Can you slap Mr. Steel in slow-mo as well?
[2696.26] David: He didn't want to.
[2698.06] David: It's like, I don't know.
[2700.46] David: We'll strap him down next time.
[2702.02] David: Or while he's sleeping.
[2704.46] David: Yeah, while he's sleeping.
[2706.5] Frank: What about the slow-mo time thing?
[2708.86] Frank: Is that just kind of gone on the back burner or have you got any plans for it?
[2714.3] David: Yeah, it's a side project that I really wanted to do.
[2718.62] David: And it was, I bought the camera and Christian, Chad's son, I had him over for...
[2727.98] Jack: What an experience in that.
[2729.58] Jack: Intern?
[2730.74] David: Yes, an intern here.
[2732.74] David: So he came over and he brought the camera with him because you can't buy the camera
[2737.38] David: outside of the US, they won't ship it outside of the US for some reason.
[2742.3] Frank: Is that ITAR?
[2743.86] Frank: I can't imagine it would be, but...
[2745.94] Frank: A what?
[2746.98] Frank: Is that from the international trade arms regulations?
[2749.98] Frank: Like, I can't imagine why it would be military technology, but...
[2753.66] David: No, no, it's because they don't want to deal with last packages or something.
[2759.14] Frank: I don't know.
[2760.26] Frank: Oh, that's that's a much less exciting thing.
[2762.42] Frank: I was trying to work out what was so exciting about it from a military point of view.
[2766.58] Frank: But that's usually the reason that stuff gets stuck in the US, like the FLIR cameras
[2772.7] Frank: and all that kind of stuff.
[2773.78] Frank: Yeah.
[2774.82] Jack: You need to do a safety lipo, slow-mo, puncher, explode and overcharge, you know, so we can
[2782.06] Jack: watch the hot plasma.
[2784.34] David: That'd be cool.
[2785.14] Jack: Yeah.
[2785.42] David: I like it.
[2786.14] David: Yeah.
[2786.9] David: So we just, when we took, when Christian came here, I took the time to, because I really
[2795.06] David: like shooting with him.
[2795.94] David: So we shot a bunch of episodes while he was here and he started editing them.
[2800.78] David: And after he went, I'm like, it's too much work to do it alone.
[2806.22] Tony: So it's just, and I don't, I don't prioritize it.
[2809.94] Tony: So we've got another intern here.
[2811.94] Tony: Who would love to come over and see you.
[2813.86] Jack: Hey, Jack, do some slow-mo footage.
[2817.02] Jack: Literally willing to be David's slave.
[2819.74] Tony: Yeah.
[2820.1] Tony: And get slapped around the face every day for weeks with fire.
[2825.06] Tony: Yeah.
[2825.58] Jack: Yeah.
[2825.9] Jack: Fire anything on the fire and death.
[2828.06] Tony: My God, imagine your hair on slow-mo fire.
[2832.34] Jack: That would probably be the only reason I would get rid of my hair.
[2835.94] Tony: Send him now.
[2837.54] Jack: Yeah.
[2840.14] Jack: I nearly applied for that job, but I thought David's probably going to laugh at my, he'd
[2844.42] Jack: probably like load up my CV just to put it on the internet and be like, this guy's an idiot.
[2849.58] Tony: This guy's mad.
[2850.82] Jack: Yeah.
[2851.1] Jack: Because you did, how, how did you find your, your, your minions?
[2855.34] David: Um, I, uh, and there's a, a service or what do you call that?
[2860.7] David: When you get unemployed, you have to go to the, uh, unemployment office or less.
[2866.62] David: Um, yes.
[2869.34] David: That would be familiar.
[2870.9] David: So they, uh, back in the good old days, they distributed jobs or helped you find
[2877.62] David: jobs today, it's like, uh, uh, I dunno, they, they make sure that you don't cheat
[2883.9] David: and, uh, um, on your, cause you get like, uh, what do you call that?
[2889.34] David: Uh, like insurance.
[2891.58] David: Yes.
[2892.26] David: Benefits.
[2893.26] David: So you don't do something you're not supposed to do.
[2896.42] David: I don't know.
[2897.06] David: Anyway, so they have a service for employers to search for other people's
[2904.7] David: CVs based on criterias, like where they live and what kind of stuff they done in
[2911.02] David: the past.
[2912.46] David: So I found myself the, uh, PCB designer, which he lives an hour away.
[2918.82] David: Which isn't bad.
[2919.82] David: So I just, um, send him a text and replied instantly, came over for an interview
[2924.46] David: today and after, and then he started Monday.
[2927.98] Jack: You were like, that would do.
[2929.18] Jack: Cool, cool, cool.
[2930.66] Tony: Uh, dragons layers, uh, ask David, how many batteries do you have?
[2937.1] Tony: Ooh, I don't count them.
[2939.54] David: They're too many.
[2940.46] David: That sounds like a lot.
[2942.22] David: Yes.
[2942.94] David: They're, they're, they're plenty and they're different sizes and some
[2946.94] David: of them were really old.
[2948.14] David: I still have a couple of the three S 2,200s that I flew while doing the
[2953.66] David: video, the Everglades video.
[2956.58] Jack: I still have my 2,200s that that's probably the only thing I still have.
[2962.74] Jack: I know.
[2963.34] Jack: Like they are, they're still going, they're still going strong.
[2966.1] Jack: God bless to energy.
[2967.3] Tony: I had to give mine all the way to amateurs.
[2969.7] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[2970.22] Jack: That's it.
[2970.78] Jack: Yeah.
[2971.46] Tony: To feed some newbies.
[2973.14] Jack: Yeah.
[2975.1] Jack: Tone, you taught me how to fly right, mate.
[2977.18] Jack: You're right.
[2978.1] Jack: As much as I give you, I want to do some swearing.
[2984.58] Tony: I'm good.
[2985.34] Jack: No, go on.
[2986.1] Tony: Just one swear word so we can have this on the, um, on replay.
[2991.18] Tony: We will have your little bit over the top.
[2993.58] Tony: Okay.
[2993.82] Tony: I'll do a really English one.
[2996.02] David: Bloody twat.
[2998.54] Tony: I like it.
[2999.5] Tony: Twat.
[3000.1] Jack: Yay.
[3003.3] Jack: Oh God.
[3004.18] Jack: Hi, David.
[3005.22] Jack: Have you ever tried a tricopter with two servos, i.e.
[3008.9] Jack: on the front motors rather than one at the back?
[3013.02] Jack: Surely that's just.
[3015.5] David: That's crazy.
[3016.3] David: But no, I have not, but I have done one with three.
[3020.14] David: The one on each.
[3020.9] David: What?
[3023.22] David: It is banana crazy.
[3025.74] David: Literally.
[3027.06] David: Uh, no, I just, it's way, one servo is powerful enough or actually overpowered.
[3032.54] David: I usually turn the yaw rate down.
[3035.94] David: So three of them, it was almost uncontrollable.
[3039.38] David: It was just crazy, but it was fun.
[3041.62] Frank: Could you then use it to have like forward tilt on your front motors or something?
[3046.26] Jack: What about the boom copter, man?
[3048.22] Jack: Do you remember that?
[3048.86] Jack: Oh my gosh.
[3049.82] Jack: That was so cool.
[3050.54] Jack: That thing was deadly.
[3051.74] Tony: Is that that one with the extra motor or something?
[3053.9] Tony: Yeah, the back, a folding prop on the back and it boosts it for forward flight.
[3059.74] Jack: I've just, I've just put up the two, what is it?
[3063.7] Jack: The twin servo V tail maiden by Chippy.
[3068.22] Jack: And I'm going to put the boom copter.
[3072.46] Tony: So do you think a little mini, say one 80 to 10 tricopter would be good in races,
[3078.98] Tony: like for your ring round corners and stuff?
[3081.46] Tony: Do you think it's a, I do think so.
[3084.06] Tony: Oh, that would be, we won't have to try that.
[3087.62] Frank: Yes, I think you shall.
[3090.62] Frank: Do you think you will have your tricopter this weekend?
[3095.14] Frank: Are you going to come to some of the ponds, Jack?
[3098.1] Jack: I'm going to try and come for a bit.
[3100.02] Jack: But as everyone knows, I've not that well at the moment.
[3103.62] Tony: Been been a bit ill blessing, but doesn't stop me taking a piss out of him.
[3107.98] Jack: No, I'm destroying all my stuff.
[3110.66] Tony: There's just no still it's just relentless with me.
[3113.94] Tony: Sorry, mate.
[3114.42] Tony: But that's that's all I'm here to do.
[3116.22] Jack: It's like having a friend as a hand grenade with no pin.
[3120.78] Jack: It really is.
[3122.18] Jack: And you're covered in KFC lard.
[3125.42] Jack: And I'm like trying to keep older, yeah.
[3127.58] Jack: And I would never be covered in that.
[3130.42] Jack: Yeah, just like bar of soap in my hand, honestly.
[3137.42] Frank: But yes, we have some as ponds this weekend, which the BFP VRA event.
[3143.9] Frank: So it's not going to be a qualifying event.
[3145.22] Frank: It will just be a fun fly.
[3146.34] Frank: But a lot of us went last year and I'm sure it will be a good event this year.
[3150.02] Frank: Again, if the weather can hold off being as it is at the moment,
[3153.9] Frank: it's been two other events we got this weekend.
[3156.58] Frank: We got Western Park, which is the European
[3161.58] Frank: Rotorsport Association event.
[3164.1] Frank: That is going to be a qualifying event for the European Championship.
[3168.3] Frank: So I think that's one to look out for.
[3170.82] Frank: Other events I've been told about are not this weekend,
[3174.54] Frank: but 3rd of July up near East Midlands Airport or Dunnington around that way.
[3179.78] Frank: Delta Hawks are going to have a brace
[3182.94] Frank: and is also obviously we still got Rotor Racing at Farnborough coming up.
[3187.9] Frank: And we've got a Formula FPV event coming up as well.
[3191.18] Frank: So lots of events. Looking forward to them.
[3195.46] Frank: And we go. Thank you very much.
[3197.34] Jack: I don't think I will have my tricopter made by then.
[3200.86] Jack: I've ordered a new servo, but that's coming.
[3204.18] Jack: I think, Dave, did you ship that a day or two?
[3207.1] Jack: Yes, I did. Get some Swedish fish in, my friend.
[3211.14] David: I can't send that to certain countries, but yeah, UK would be fine.
[3215.7] Jack: OK, I need to.
[3217.18] Jack: Can I place an order of Swedish fish with you?
[3219.58] Jack: As I've never eaten any Swedish fish.
[3221.42] Jack: I just hear people go on about them. Lanny Good.
[3224.66] Jack: Death, destruction, murder.
[3226.78] David: Why? They're pretty good.
[3228.66] Jack: They're not actual fish.
[3231.66] David: Silly, yeah.
[3233.78] Tony: Sush, Jeremy.
[3234.78] Jack: Yeah, sorry, Tony's vegan if you want to know.
[3238.14] Tony: I get upset if you talk about.
[3239.74] Frank: I think everyone's vegan around sill.
[3242.7] Frank: Yeah. Yes, they are.
[3244.66] Frank: No, it's it's socially offensive to open it inside your house.
[3249.5] Frank: It's it's not good.
[3251.14] Frank: What, krill?
[3252.14] Frank: Avoid it if possible.
[3254.34] Frank: Still, it's like a fermented fish.
[3257.1] Jack: Yeah, and the cans that look like they're going to explode at any moment.
[3261.02] Jack: Then you have to open them underwater.
[3265.18] Jack: Just away from everyone.
[3266.86] Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
[3267.82] Jack: Like, so, you know, contain the smell.
[3270.82] David: It's bad.
[3271.62] David: So strumming is even worse.
[3273.34] David: It's really bad.
[3275.38] David: Really, really, really bad.
[3276.94] David: I thought my computer was breaking.
[3278.78] David: One like the PSU was breaking.
[3282.3] David: I'm like, what's going on?
[3283.58] David: And we're standing right next to a window and like three blocks away,
[3287.18] David: they were eating.
[3288.62] David: It was what do you call that?
[3290.58] David: Midsummer.
[3291.98] David: And everyone eats that at Midsummer while they're really drunk.
[3296.02] David: So someone open.
[3298.22] David: Yeah, yeah.
[3300.22] David: With snaps.
[3301.5] Jack: Yeah, animals.
[3302.78] Frank: You've got the elements written.
[3306.14] Frank: You've got the right to go anywhere, like in fields and stuff.
[3310.06] Frank: You can just go and you don't have to worry about public rights away or anything.
[3313.46] Frank: You can just go into the middle of nowhere.
[3315.7] Frank: And there is a lot of middle of nowhere, I have to say.
[3318.26] Frank: Yes.
[3318.7] Frank: Having tried to get places, it's just forest and forest and forest.
[3323.62] Jack: Yeah, but why doesn't that mean David will die of exposure?
[3327.18] Jack: This is Sweden.
[3328.94] Jack: But every time.
[3329.66] Frank: It's lovely and sunny in summer.
[3331.82] Frank: Like you've got sun all night.
[3333.98] Frank: Like barely ever sunset.
[3336.14] Frank: And it's just lovely.
[3337.66] Frank: You can just go.
[3338.78] Frank: It's brilliant.
[3339.66] Frank: It's fantastic.
[3340.46] Frank: I love Sweden in the summer.
[3342.22] Frank: Well, I just checked the weather and it's as bad as ours at the moment.
[3345.18] Tony: Thought we need to grease and drizzle, apparently.
[3348.86] David: Depends on where you are here.
[3350.22] David: It's nice and sunny or not sunny anymore.
[3353.1] David: Actually, it is.
[3354.3] David: Yeah.
[3354.62] David: I'm on the wrong side of the house.
[3356.3] David: Tony's hanging himself right now.
[3357.66] Tony: He's trying to sleep, though.
[3359.1] Tony: We've had two weeks of pure hell here.
[3362.3] Tony: It's just been horrible and drizzly else.
[3366.06] Tony: And we haven't seen sun for weeks and it's doing my head in.
[3369.82] Jack: This is a nice one.
[3370.7] Jack: Jimmy says, tell us about the CA glue sowing incident.
[3374.62] David: Oh my gosh.
[3376.38] David: I regret telling this story.
[3378.86] Jack: I've never heard it.
[3380.14] Jack: Did you tell it on Flight Test?
[3381.66] Frank: It's on the Flight Test After Hours podcast.
[3384.62] Frank: And I do have to say, working where I do, where we have massive amounts,
[3390.54] Frank: we have literal boxes, like big crates of CA glue for parts.
[3395.98] Frank: And yeah, you don't want that anywhere.
[3399.5] Frank: No, it's not good stuff.
[3402.46] David: Yeah, it's nasty.
[3407.26] Jack: I want super glued my fingers on my right hand together
[3412.06] Jack: to my pajama bottoms to my leg.
[3415.02] Tony: Yeah, we don't really want to hear about your nighttime dreams, Jack.
[3419.26] Jack: No, because I had one of those plastic superglue squeezy bottles.
[3424.94] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[3425.58] Jack: I was squeezing it.
[3426.38] Jack: Are you sure it was a squeezy bottle?
[3427.9] Jack: And then it finally gave what I just squirted and I was like,
[3431.1] Jack: oh, you fucking slapped my leg.
[3433.1] Jack: And that was it.
[3433.82] Jack: Just to get up.
[3435.42] Jack: Honestly, that just sounds terrible.
[3437.66] Jack: It was horrific, man.
[3438.78] Jack: It was the worst thing ever.
[3441.82] Jack: So I had my hand just stuck to my own leg.
[3444.86] Jack: You know how stupid that is.
[3446.22] Tony: And then it rolled over and woke up.
[3449.82] Frank: Because when it starts getting really hot, it's not good.
[3453.42] Frank: You're stuck to something and it's burning.
[3455.34] Frank: That's a bad day when that happens.
[3458.62] David: Yeah.
[3459.66] David: Oh, my gosh.
[3460.3] David: Yeah, using the thin CA and like gluing together a multiplex plane.
[3465.42] David: You're like, yeah, squirting a little bit.
[3466.86] David: And then you use the accelerator.
[3469.66] David: And yeah.
[3470.3] David: And you discover that your whole arm is covered.
[3475.02] David: That's good stuff.
[3476.62] David: Memories.
[3477.42] Jack: What's new coming out of you?
[3480.06] Jack: Yeah.
[3480.38] Jack: Have you got an alien or anything?
[3482.78] Jack: Quadcopter mini?
[3483.98] David: I do have an alien.
[3486.14] David: Yes.
[3487.26] Jack: Oh, is that why you're flying?
[3489.74] David: I do fly that one.
[3490.7] David: Yeah.
[3491.58] David: Mr. Steel helped me build it.
[3495.82] David: While I was there.
[3496.62] David: So that was nice.
[3497.66] David: I got it for free.
[3499.58] Jack: Wow.
[3500.7] Jack: Phones in high places.
[3501.74] Jack: Sorry, our dog's dying.
[3503.5] David: No, he's burning.
[3507.98] David: Yes, I do have one.
[3509.1] David: And it's crazy.
[3510.14] David: It's really crazy.
[3511.66] David: What set up?
[3512.3] David: Is it the same in Steel's?
[3514.46] David: No, it's running the red button 22 or five e-max motors.
[3520.62] Jack: Twenty three hundred or twenty six?
[3523.18] David: Twenty three.
[3524.54] David: And it's running KISS FC and KISS speed controllers.
[3530.7] David: So it's nice.
[3532.46] David: I like it.
[3533.02] David: I like it.
[3533.66] Jack: Great stuff.
[3534.38] Jack: Yeah.
[3534.62] Jack: The motors are heavy though.
[3537.9] Tony: Yeah.
[3538.46] Tony: Yeah, but the power they produce.
[3541.1] Tony: Like a thousand gram, over a thousand grams frost, aren't they?
[3544.7] Jack: The only thing I feel sorry for is people when they do crash
[3547.02] Jack: and the metal seems quite soft.
[3549.02] Jack: That's the only thing.
[3550.14] Tony: Well, if you got a fossil, you know, it'd be protected.
[3552.7] Tony: Yeah.
[3553.34] Jack: Yeah, I've noticed a few people like crunching pretty badly.
[3557.9] David: I think that happens with most motors.
[3560.38] Jack: Yeah.
[3561.98] Jack: All right.
[3562.46] Jack: So we're going to call it there.
[3563.74] Jack: David, thank you so much for coming on Let's Drone Out.
[3566.3] Jack: If we can, we'd like to grab a sound bite from you.
[3569.66] Jack: So stay on the call.
[3572.3] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone On powering on.
[3577.5] Tony: That's better.
[3578.14] Tony: Yeah.
[3578.38] Jack: I think you've had too much.
[3579.82] Jack: Moaning on.
[3580.7] Tony: You've had too much.
[3581.74] Jack: Don't forget to subscribe to Tone Star One for his excellent reviews of stuff.
[3587.42] Tony: You're going to get a flying elbow in a minute.
[3589.74] Jack: If you can, everyone go to Tone Star One on YouTube and listen to Victor and Elle Drew.
[3595.74] Tony: I am going to fly an elbow you in a minute.
[3598.14] Tony: Where's your little turner downer thing?
[3600.06] Tony: That one.
[3600.94] Tony: That one.
[3601.58] Tony: You can't hear Jack anymore.
[3603.18] Tony: And I really don't like it.
[3606.22] Jack: There you go.
[3607.34] Jack: Oh, damn it.
[3607.98] Jack: Sorry, very professional.
[3609.98] Frank: So yes, thank you for listening to Let's Drone Out.
[3612.86] Frank: We've been recording on poweringon.co.uk on the 16th of June, 2016.
[3619.58] Frank: Like us on Facebook and keep listening on later episodes to get more info on
[3625.02] Frank: our Rotor Riot giveaway that will be happening at some point
[3628.06] Frank: once we've worked out what we're doing with it.
[3630.06] Frank: And then, yeah, next week on Let's Drone Out,
[3633.1] Frank: we've got Uli FPV from FPV Nuts over in Germany.
[3637.42] Frank: And I believe a couple of other FPV Nuts as well, perhaps,
[3641.02] Frank: to talk to us about how things are going over there in Germany.
[3645.34] Frank: But up next on Powering On, you can hear Hannah, the 3D printing lady.
[3651.74] Frank: Princess.
[3652.38] Frank: Amusings.
[3653.82] Frank: So there we go.
[3655.42] Frank: Have fun and keep listening.
[3658.22] Frank: Thank you, David.
[3659.18] Frank: Thank you very much.
[3660.38] Tony: Thank you, guys.
[3667.34] Tony: For all your drone-related needs, home of the Drone Labs batteries.
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