=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 48 === Title: Ep 48 - The emergence of 5S Recorded: 2016-07-28 Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Adam Juniper Guest(s): (none recorded) Total audience: 2,015 Platforms: SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/276632803-letsdroneout-ep-48-the-emergence-of-5s.mp3) ==================================== Last chance to get your name in the hat to win the hat, the Rotor Riot giveaway on fb.com/letsdroneout [0.66] Jack: Let's drone our now [3.78] Adam: This episode is sponsored by Radio C for all your drone related needs home of the drone labs batteries [10.58] Jack: This week we are joined by the usual people we've got moon star one [17.14] Jack: What's up dudes? What channel you on? [20.42] Tony: channel one in it times to one and [23.14] Jack: We've got producer [26.02] Jack: Hello, that would be me producer Frank. You got a name or Andrew [31.22] Jack: Real name Andrew two names at least two. Do you know some people think that you're two different people? [38.46] Tony: I have heard this [41.82] Jack: Sorry Frank [46.54] Frank: Yeah, two producers Frank and Andrew, yeah [50.9] Jack: Mr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde. Yeah, and right there cracking the wise cracks is none other than the book writer himself [61.22] Adam: Thanks. I don't have a name in Jackson chosen, you know, it's no no you want to say your name [66.26] Jack: You're meant to say your name [69.5] Frank: You see we've never been told this so we're everyone waits for you to read their name out to then say hello [75.1] Frank: And then it never comes [78.58] Adam: Every other podcast radio show in all history, we're waiting for our cue and it doesn't come. Yep [84.82] Jack: Oh, no, that's it. They're gonna go. Yeah, I'm I'm Jack Nash [89.14] Jack: Oh, yeah, Tony very confusing. Yeah, I don't totally be like [98.14] Jack: Are you Jack Nash also, no, I am Tony Marchant [107.54] Jack: Brighton cash register to life lie [110.98] Jack: Yep [113.98] Tony: We've all come on let's go on with the show lads [117.0] Tony: Talk about something other than our names. Let's go 5s. All right, you guys are you guys? [125.76] Tony: Do you can talk about 5s if you want it's bloody brilliant [129.64] Jack: Tone. Yeah, you went out and flew with it. How did you find it? [133.92] Tony: Well, I've done what you said. I didn't charge up to full capacity. I put like four ten [140.88] Jack: Per cell. Yeah, that's pretty much almost [144.64] Jack: Sorry, that well for for 20 well for 19 for 20 is full just so [151.88] Tony: 10 in so it wasn't its highest [155.2] Tony: Volts because my camera only takes 22 [159.08] Tony: VTX 22 so I just done what you said for a starter and just lowered it didn't charge it fully [166.6] Tony: and I flew it on [170.88] Tony: The four-inch props to start [174.52] Tony: And it was quite mental. I liked it. So I went and bought another two today [181.16] Frank: Really on sale then? [183.48] Tony: Yeah, yeah, and and they're cheaper than they will be soon [188.4] Tony: So if you want some I would go and get some now cheaper free release [193.2] Frank: So this is the 5s drone lab chaos edition batteries [197.84] Frank: So I'm presuming that they're only available from radio C at the moment. Yep [203.0] Jack: Yeah, and don't forget the offer code LDO [207.44] Jack: Have we ever tested that recently? No, I'm sure it's still there [211.16] Frank: So yeah, if you're listening test out that offer code and let us know does it work? [215.48] Frank: You can find us on Facebook and so you can message us and say yes, it does work [219.24] Frank: Well, no, it doesn't and we would be [222.0] Frank: Heavily indebted to you for testing if it still works [225.36] Jack: Also, if you want to leave a message for ash the packing and shipping department tell him that you [232.4] Jack: Want to drone out and he will look at me in disgust [242.16] Jack: For a free battery strap or sticker do you have any let's drone out stickers left in the office? [249.24] Jack: Me personally. No, I never knew we had any in the office [253.68] Frank: bother fab [254.92] Jack: Okay, there you go [255.84] Frank: If you're ordering from radio C also bother fab and tell them to get some let's drone out stickers [261.6] Frank: Because they're meant to be plastered all over Jack's desk, but apparently they're not so no [266.28] Jack: I haven't even got any more left [268.4] Jack: I I went to one fly at stam apart and everyone took them all and they do they do fit quite nicely in your goggles [278.32] Jack: They don't stick to metal for very long though, I'll tell you that mmm, we'll work on that. Yeah version two [285.52] Tony: All right, Jack you haven't find your father shit. I take it. No. No, I [291.32] Jack: Believe it or not [292.96] Jack: What we will probably talk about it. It feels really narcissistic, but [297.88] Jack: We'll talk about it later as well at my birthday bash [302.04] Jack: Which was amazing by the way [305.0] Jack: Thank you all for coming us all I want to say [310.2] Jack: But [311.56] Jack: Yeah, I snapped an arm on my [314.44] Jack: Alien I stashed. Yeah [318.76] Jack: Yeah, it was one of my early flights and I will load it up but I I [324.72] Jack: I do a flip over your kind of flip over Adams tree and [330.2] Jack: Get a leaf stuck right on my FPV cam and then just hit the ground [333.76] Jack: And then I flew the rest of the the evening with a broken arm and without even knowing it [340.28] Jack: Possibly because it got pretty dark very quickly [343.76] Jack: I don't know how Dan up to flies in the dark. He must fly with us with using his sense of smell [350.04] Frank: He eats carrots [352.28] Jack: Must be so he doesn't have the owl then no [355.96] Jack: Hs1 1 7 [359.52] Tony: He's he's Dan up then let's come on, you know, he's just brilliant at everything [366.24] Frank: It would don't surprise me he can fly the dog. Yeah, even with the HS 11 77 you can see still see [373.08] Frank: Much better than just line of sighting it. Well, I've got a lot of people ask me [378.4] Jack: What camera I use because I use the higher resolution. Do you remember you've asked me about it? [385.52] Jack: 800 or something. Yeah, and I use that and I could see really well in the dark, but [394.44] Jack: Man, it lowers my shutter speed and it's almost like a rolling shutter and everything's really smeary and [402.16] Jack: really bad screenburn [404.32] Adam: So I wonder how [407.56] Frank: Yeah, big time without wonder how Ed's gonna get on with the 1100 that he's got [413.4] Jack: That could take a bit of getting used to yeah, I was fine during the daytime my [421.4] Jack: You know my camera I I went back to the HS 1 1 7 and I was a bit like [427.28] Jack: Oh [428.64] Jack: You know like who smeared dog poo on my camera lens [432.72] Jack: I'm not being funny. Like everything was like really brown and [436.6] Jack: Like no, I prefer a more [441.16] Jack: Vibrant camera I really do [444.36] Adam: That's just me. So Jack. What's Adam's tree? [449.72] Jack: Adam Picard Tony, would you like to explain this one? [453.32] Tony: I think if you won't follow me on YouTube, we probably don't but [458.08] Tony: You'll you can watch on YouTube me rescue [462.28] Tony: archangels [463.48] Tony: Alien from the tree. So that's why it's called Adam's tree [469.28] Adam: Fly to a tree that tree becomes yours. Yeah. Yes [475.56] Jack: Yeah [477.64] Jack: Chico Valley in the far right corner [481.68] Jack: It's called Jack's corner because I lost my first quad there [486.04] Tony: Exactly the same as quartopia. You've got Ed's Brooke [489.84] Tony: In the river. Yeah [493.04] Tony: Fenton's Brooke, it's a bit lower down [498.4] Adam: Two trees and I'm gonna claim Brighton seafront as well brought him here, isn't it? It was near the pair. Yeah [504.68] Jack: Adam's pay. I've watched that video again recently [510.72] Jack: Sad, isn't it? Yeah, it is a bit but you know what? It's quite funny [515.2] Adam: It's a real shame. The camera wasn't pointing at the exact moment. Yeah, drifts off slowly and downward [521.8] Adam: So what happens, you know, I nearly lost the the camera as well [525.56] Adam: Because I left the camera to go and run around to see if I could find the bloody aircraft [531.16] Adam: I was for some reason hoped it might have washed up on the seafront and then just left the [538.36] Adam: GoPro recording in the bushes totally forgot about it [547.96] Adam: That's something I don't like to talk about [550.68] Jack: No, do you want to do you want to explain to Frank for and other listeners who don't know what we're talking about [556.84] Adam: Regards that video [560.76] Adam: Experimenting with the waypoint programming on parrot AR drone [565.52] Adam: and I forgot to swap batteries before running a flight out to Brighton pier and [573.16] Adam: The battery on it was half used and not the full-length battery anyway [578.88] Adam: So I set the thing off and it was well before the days of the computer being clever enough to go [584.2] Adam: Well, this doesn't seem like a good idea [586.24] Adam: It's a flew well and flew out of Wi-Fi zone got towards the pier and then [591.92] Adam: Just started not really having the energy to hold itself in the air [597.8] Adam: Was very sad there was the moment made me go. I'm just gonna get more drones and keep at it [603.8] Adam: Rather than I give up on this [607.52] Jack: It I'll tell you what your first quad and if you've only got one and that happens to you I could fully understand [616.68] Jack: I was a bit like that, you know, if I didn't if I didn't already have a few [621.64] Jack: Quads under my belt that I already like, you know sold or whatever [626.84] Jack: poor I [628.52] Jack: It's not easy. I [631.08] Adam: Think it was because I've already got into the sort of experimenting with it, you know [634.64] Adam: If it was just a straight power out of the box, it'd be very much just like a toy wouldn't it? [639.32] Adam: but once you've got the plug [641.56] Adam: Really had to fight to get one of the GPS modules and then getting the ridiculously difficult software to program it [650.08] Adam: You know because it was all that they sold it as if it was easy, but it really wasn't on a Mac you'd have them [658.96] Adam: It's you know certain levels of beta [661.12] Adam: So you felt that actually dragged me and I felt enough evolved to be that keen to start building afterwards [666.88] Adam: So I think there's a genuinely good loss [672.04] Frank: Not like the other one [678.08] Tony: That was that the hex over devil's die [688.36] Tony: Let's not drag that up so you get all up sales [693.08] Tony: Yeah [695.16] Adam: I think that was strong strong winds and I had those big padded pipe tubes on the on the legs [701.96] Adam: On the landing legs, and I think the that was enough to give it enough of a sale area [715.08] Frank: Someone else who had a lot of blooping I imagine did anyone see the video that's come out of the [721.76] Frank: Rotavite trip in Ukraine [723.96] Frank: With Sunday assassin, sorry if I'm mispronouncing this name [729.32] Frank: Where he goes to the dive a massive [733.32] Frank: Metal statue, and I believe probably ends up the wrong side of it [739.84] Frank: And yeah [742.48] Frank: Yeah ends up with a slight spectrum issue [746.04] Frank: He's flying spectrum at a time. I'll put the gif up the gif should just be loading up on the canvas [751.84] Frank: I'm powering on that code at UK, so he's doing it's amazing [755.08] Frank: You know just tie flip dive down onto the statue [760.48] Frank: Then you can see it's kind of you know all nice and organic and then just locks in and then go smash and [768.04] Frank: I don't think anything particularly was broken from it [770.72] Frank: It looks like it's all in one piece, but there's definitely it's a big statue could probably survive [777.84] Frank: Yeah, it wasn't whether I was particularly worried about [780.68] Frank: That's horrible when it locks in yeah, you can just see it. It's like. Oh, no. There's no human input anymore [789.32] Frank: Now I can imagine there were some bloops there for that one [792.6] Frank: Yeah, they were saying oh, it's an issue with spectrum. They keep having issues with spectrum [797.44] Frank: It's not as good as a far sky or wherever else but the other thing was yeah [801.96] Frank: You had a giant metal statue in between you. Yeah, it's a bit more than just a tree. You know [809.12] Frank: There's only so much 2.4 can do exactly or any radio really you know [817.16] Adam: Physics has its limits. It's just rubbish. Yeah, yeah stupid physics roll on magic. Yeah, so [825.24] Jack: back to [826.76] Jack: Back to the 5s because we look like we always brush over stuff, but I like about the show [833.44] Jack: and [835.44] Jack: Anything catch on fire tone no [838.64] Tony: Must I think most people set up will be okay for 5s [843.0] Tony: I mean you've just got really look at what volts you're going to put for it [848.2] Tony: And I flew that I flew for four inch on [853.12] Tony: 26,000 KV [855.72] Tony: Just to test it and I wasn't full frottling on any of my earning my bid [860.6] Tony: So that wasn't full for all it was probably 85. I just was a bit too scared to go for all but it was [867.64] Tony: Definitely quicker [869.2] Tony: I landed the ESDs were cold [873.0] Tony: motors were pulled so that was a good start and that was [877.72] Tony: running little B20s and [880.56] Tony: When we tested them when I come in to see you at radio see we had a little be running on a [887.88] Tony: 2300 KV red bottom with a five inch [892.08] Tony: Tri-blade and that little B was handling 35 amps for one minute solid [900.2] Tony: Yeah, which I thought was absolutely brilliant. You can't fault them little B20s. I think they're bloody brilliant [906.12] Tony: I've never I've had one go wrong and one I'm dead on arrival and [911.32] Tony: Far from that and I think they're bloody great [913.72] Tony: I mean, who's to say, you know, I could keep doing this and they might not take it after 10-15 flights [921.08] Tony: But you know seeing that little B20 [925.68] Tony: Handling 35 amps for one solid minute was pretty bloody impressive [931.08] Tony: so I think most people out there could probably run for this and [936.44] Tony: The batteries aren't that much bigger than the forest to be honest there [941.04] Tony: The 13 hundreds that I got are a tiny bit fatter [946.28] Tony: than the forest, but you wouldn't [949.68] Tony: They're not massively fatter. And I don't think they're massively heavier [954.84] Jack: Don't say the weights the next question, isn't it? Yeah, they are. Do you want me to weigh one? I've got one right here [963.72] Tony: Have you got a forest there as well [966.64] Jack: Yeah, I can grab a forest if you want to bear with me [970.8] Jack: Do you want to? [972.4] Jack: Yeah, also there is there is a sale going on with funny enough radio see again [978.92] Jack: They are selling the 30 amp little bees and on offer the 20 to 8 Cobra motors [986.16] Jack: So I'll come back. I will why the batteries and I will talk about Boris bees set up [992.6] Jack: Also tone if you want to talk about what what your feelings were on the throttle response [998.92] Tony: Okay [1000.56] Tony: For a response so much better. It's just so much quicker and this is running four inch as well [1006.84] Tony: So I was like him, you know, it was it was just so much better. It was it was a lot a lot faster [1015.8] Tony: So what frame was that on this was the fossil stuff to 10 X frame [1021.96] Tony: Is [1024.96] Adam: What about the difference 3s to 4s like is it the same slightly less like them all? [1031.0] Tony: No, the 3s to 4s feels like a big jump the 4s to 5s [1037.76] Tony: Doesn't feel as a big jump, but you can definitely feel there's a lot more kick [1044.64] Tony: And as I say in my video wasn't I didn't fall for all any of that [1050.68] Jack: did you [1053.0] Tony: Know I didn't even do that as you can tell on some of the [1057.64] Tony: Pits where I flipped over and come down on my own prop wash [1062.0] Tony: There was a little bit of shoulder, but no, I didn't I didn't adjust my kids [1066.28] Tony: I actually thought it flew right on the pits that I had because normally when I went from 3s to 4s before I [1073.6] Tony: Had to definitely change my pits, but this wasn't too bad, but I think that's Boris B. Anyway [1080.8] Jack: 1 3 8 for the standard [1083.2] Jack: 1500 milliamp 4s [1085.44] Jack: drone lab and [1088.2] Jack: For the drone lab Chaos Edition, but 5s 1300 milliamp is a whopping [1098.6] Jack: 164 or 5 grams I [1102.36] Tony: Would say it's worth having the extra punch for the little bit of weight [1107.64] Jack: Yeah [1108.8] Tony: But I'm awake. I like a bit of weight on my court [1111.96] Tony: I've got two exact set up same cells and one runs a gun go pro session or a GoPro session [1121.64] Tony: GoPro for [1123.68] Tony: Now one I run without one and I prefer the white [1127.92] Tony: That's just me. I prefer it in the turns [1130.04] Tony: I prefer it to when you cut your throttle when you want to go under a gate it drops quicker [1135.44] Tony: That's just personal preference for me. I [1138.24] Jack: I [1139.6] Tony: Like it. I like the 5s and I think everyone's can be set up for it [1143.76] Tony: I mean I did buy so yeah, yes, he's today just in case I bought some little b30s in case I pop anything [1153.92] Tony: But like I say seeing that [1157.76] Tony: Pull in 34 amps for one minute was bloody impressive on a 20m. Yes. He [1163.96] Jack: It can't do any good. It can hot you know what I mean [1167.88] Tony: Probably not [1170.48] Tony: They might go after 20 flights [1173.32] Jack: Which is not you know, it's all well and good, but as soon as it does go [1178.28] Jack: it's it's very you know, it's probably gonna go when you're just over some water or [1184.44] Jack: You know, it's heading straight for you. You know what? I mean, it's [1189.44] Tony: the rest of my flights are gonna be [1192.48] Tony: you know [1194.96] Tony: Practicing and [1196.4] Tony: You know testing where people where I can see where if it falls out of sky or I know where [1201.76] Jack: Roughly where it's gonna be. Yeah, cuz that can do some serious havoc [1206.8] Jack: You know what? I mean? Yeah, you know when components do go [1210.72] Jack: It's like that Brown out, but you know when you burn your VTX out [1217.08] Tony: That was kind of scary one day before the first ever Nationals. Yeah, so [1223.36] Jack: and [1224.72] Jack: Boris B [1225.4] Jack: I look back and on that 5s video he says I see many folks struggling to find more power with their 4s setups [1232.36] Jack: Lightest setups higher KV lipos and high voltage lipos. Come on. All we need is more voltage [1242.84] Jack: So [1244.52] Jack: Multi-rotor parts made some 5s lipos couple of different sizes. He settled down for the [1249.88] Jack: One thousand thirteen thousand packs and guess what? I love it. It's so sharp crisp and even more locked in than ever [1256.68] Jack: I did some endurance testing [1259.36] Jack: And couldn't break [1264.8] Jack: Hang on say you no [1266.84] Jack: no, my [1268.84] Adam: ends of endurance [1271.56] Jack: Testing I thought it forgot how to read. No, what happened was my iCloud login came up over the bit that I was [1279.84] Jack: reading and I was like [1281.68] Jack: Of all the times [1283.6] Jack: Yeah, I've checked. I've had to change my Apple ID because my old password doesn't work [1288.72] Jack: Anyway, it's not secure enough and now I've got to wait for two part [1293.44] Jack: very [1295.24] Jack: Education. Yeah [1297.8] Jack: What was it called again? [1299.68] Jack: to two part [1301.96] Jack: Authentication authentication. That's it. Right. So hang on [1305.64] Jack: If you feel so sharp crisp and even more locked in than ever I did some endurance testing and couldn't break the break setup [1313.12] Jack: Kiss ESC is perfectly able to spin these motors [1316.64] Jack: On very high RPM just a roar edit. You can hear the perfectly crisp motor sound without any struggle [1324.28] Tony: Can you read yourself? [1327.52] Jack: Yeah [1329.52] Jack: Right, so he's running a alien 5-inch a doge flight controller [1335.24] Jack: Now the the doge flight controller is a DT FC flight controller get this [1341.72] Jack: It's a flight controller with a power distribution board in there as well [1345.72] Jack: And you can also buy the OSD doge 1.5 [1349.36] Jack: but once you the flight controller is 36 pound 44 from rotor geeks and [1355.76] Jack: the OSD doge [1357.8] Jack: 1.5 [1359.36] Jack: combined [1360.68] Jack: He's like plus fifty six dollars and seventy pence. I [1366.44] Frank: Have heard of people using them [1368.16] Frank: but personally, I don't like the sound of all the high voltage stuff being on the same board as [1374.44] Frank: Yeah, important stuff [1376.2] Jack: Personally, I mean it doesn't seem like a brilliant idea. I've had I've had one like capacitor go on that [1383.48] Jack: Do you remember when we were flying at Hidden Valley after International drone day? [1388.24] Jack: And I did that one lap and then one component went on my boards [1392.84] Jack: Of flight control boards and you know, I just flop down it doesn't you know, like [1398.6] Jack: Here's a bit of a Jenga puzzle [1401.12] Jack: You know you remove the one wrong component and you need it all, you know, it's not [1406.4] Jack: Like even if you put an OSD you don't really need an OSD [1409.84] Jack: But if the OSD doesn't work and everything's just black you're gonna go down one of your motors goes down [1416.44] Jack: You're gonna go down [1417.84] Jack: You know your flight control board down you get it up one [1421.16] Tony: Yes, exactly the same as the eighties when I brought out the TV DVD combo [1427.0] Tony: DVD goes wrong. You've got us like you have no telly, you know, yeah [1433.0] Adam: They were always the worst ones as well [1437.96] Adam: You know, it was always the as the own brand does anyone wanna yeah [1443.64] Jack: Can we just put a time stamp of the recording down like a 24 minutes editor just so you know, Jack [1451.6] Jack: starts losing his [1453.24] Jack: Right prepare for the beat fest. Do you know what I hate the most is [1457.36] Jack: Printers with scanners because as soon as you run out of ink, they don't let you use the scanner [1465.0] Jack: Nuts and then [1467.16] Jack: Yeah, yeah used to be and then when you switch it on like they will do like test sheets and you're like [1473.28] Tony: What are you doing? You know? [1490.52] Adam: You can't get a scanner now without having a printer attached to it [1494.6] Jack: I know it drives me [1496.8] Jack: Mental and like did you know that the ink cartridge ink in in quantities of volume is more [1504.56] Jack: Expensive than rocket fuel. I did know that that I just and or expensive perfume or and you know, almost anything. I know [1513.64] Jack: Like oh my word hamsters blink with individual eyes. I just want to throw that out [1519.6] Jack: Just you know, I'm gonna go like like Lincoln Simpsons. Yeah one one at a time. Yeah [1525.24] Adam: One at a time. I just like well, that was a [1531.4] Adam: Yeah, sorry, I just I think we need a fact of the week jingle [1538.56] Frank: Did anyone see the [1542.0] Frank: Team gem fan freedom class giant drone I [1547.16] Frank: Saw a picture of it didn't see it flying. No, I haven't seen it flying either, but it looks absolutely [1552.88] Frank: absolutely [1554.28] Tony: terrifying [1558.96] Frank: It's it's a good what two meters [1563.44] Frank: prop tip to prop tip [1567.28] Tony: Oh, yeah [1570.92] Frank: Is the the body is about the size of a bodyboard I would say, you know [1575.6] Frank: like one of those little surfboards that you go for [1578.4] Frank: Jumping on the waves with yeah, and then it's got [1582.08] Frank: Props the size of car wheels [1585.64] Frank: Motors that look ridiculous. I mean that just looks like it should be fiberglass [1590.2] Frank: You know, just like a model like a giant model of a drone not an actual [1594.32] Frank: Motor that's just silly. That's like, I mean, how how can you describe how big those motors look? [1601.28] Frank: It's like I [1603.48] Adam: Can't think of it. Oh my god [1605.52] Adam: Well, they're like small like I don't know a half size of a real airplane [1609.96] Frank: Yeah, yeah something like that. Like the motors like twice the diameter of a baked bean tin, I think [1618.4] Jack: Judging from that day. No did Tony you were there and [1624.4] Jack: You know, I'm not gonna wind you up Adam, but the UK drone show [1629.2] Jack: Do you remember the t-motor stand some of the sizes of the electric motors? [1634.88] Jack: honestly bigger than one of my [1636.88] Jack: things like [1639.64] Jack: Lord hell, you know, you just you just think we are not far from battery powered lawn mowers [1660.16] Jack: Like the size of the stator was unbelievable, you know, it's just like [1666.04] Jack: Lord, I mean, I just like to point out the final glide you asked for it. Is this what you want? [1671.88] Jack: You've created a monster [1674.04] Frank: One and a half meters across it's the world's largest [1677.56] Frank: Racing drone and by far the most powerful a lot of hard work from a lot of people has gone into this [1682.88] Frank: Thank you to you all Chris Ballard freedom during sports [1688.2] Frank: Three people I don't know [1691.04] Adam: Make stuff [1694.56] Adam: But you're looking at what is a massive lump that must have a good solid amount of battery in it [1699.32] Adam: Oh, yeah, so you mean you scale it all up [1703.04] Jack: That could cause some serious damage if it was that's probably a tennis by the way just to point that out [1709.24] Jack: Um, is it is a dumb labs tennis? [1716.44] Jack: Speaking of which right back to what [1721.2] Frank: I'm sorry, just before we move on I have found out that the first flight of this giant thing is due to be [1728.72] Frank: 13th and 14th of August in Bothwell [1732.92] Frank: Australia, there we go. Oh [1735.52] Frank: A long way away from people. That's good. Yeah, I'm glad it's there [1740.84] Jack: Yeah, do you reckon it's gonna be like you guys tell us how it went? Yeah, that's fine. I'm gonna build a bunker and [1748.56] Frank: I'd like to stop getting closer to it. No, you want like something on stilts that'll keep you further away [1754.44] Jack: Here. Yeah, but it might it might fail safe and just you know [1759.3] Jack: Start you go remember like cutting its way through the air on a flat plane. It's not real [1767.92] Jack: That's another thing more than I hate printers that don't scan when you run out of ink is Tony and his flower [1777.56] Adam: Well, you prove him wrong [1781.68] Jack: God that's a whole new episode really [1784.52] Tony: Yeah, that you just need to interview me on my own for a night. Yeah [1788.96] Jack: Yeah, you know next time no one shows up and it's just me and you tone [1793.92] Tony: That's what we're gonna do half an hour of as long as long as I can call Jim because he's on my side [1807.56] Jack: Look Luna. No stop distracting me [1813.48] Jack: Why is the moon round [1816.32] Jack: It's not frisbee, right [1820.32] Jack: Kiss 24 ESCs [1826.0] Jack: Yeah, like 20 minutes ago, this is what we're still like this is this is getting more like mostly walking every day [1833.72] Jack: I just like to point that out [1835.8] Jack: So kiss 24 and BSCs, which is quite unusual really cuz [1840.2] Jack: Like in that episode that will be out shortly. Thank you Frank for putting up the [1846.28] Jack: last episode with Jay [1848.6] Frank: Well done. There we go. There's tick. Yep [1853.84] Tony: That was with Neil. I met him at the Star Wars event [1857.56] Tony: and didn't know it was him until I listened to that recognized his voice and then [1863.04] Tony: He commented on my one of my YouTube channels and then I realized it was the guy I flew with in [1868.4] Tony: The Star Wars event last weekend or the weekend before that that's the trouble with podcasters [1873.28] Jack: You don't really know what people look like unless they've got a distinctive voice and like you've listened [1878.2] Jack: It was like I was stood next to painless 360 [1881.28] Jack: Hobbyking and I was like giving stuff out like, you know [1884.8] Jack: like stuff from my little box of like I don't know what to do with anymore and he was like look at you always trying to [1891.2] Jack: Give stuff away and I was like painless hugged him. So [1896.2] Jack: Yeah, sorry about painless [1898.72] Jack: HQ props five by four by threes [1902.2] Jack: NPR 5s 1000 milliamp guess what motors he's running [1910.76] Jack: Do is race edition. Nope, you're wrong Adam your guess [1915.84] Tony: Damn it [1918.24] Jack: Done its go. No [1921.08] Frank: Frank your guess [1926.68] Jack: 40 40 what 40? Oh the f40 by [1933.44] Jack: 40 just 40 for [1938.96] Jack: No, you're all wrong Cobra CM [1943.08] Jack: 2204 [1945.68] Jack: 2300 kv motors [1947.84] Tony: No [1948.84] Jack: For real in this video haven't got a gift of it [1954.08] Jack: Also, I'd like to point out graphics interlaced videos like [1959.8] Jack: It's not [1968.2] Tony: The link in the chat in the chat and then can you set up and just PM me that is [1973.84] Tony: Yeah, hang on. I'm just I'm not in the chat and I really can't be [1978.08] Jack: Sorry, I need to say safe posts. Hang on [1984.52] Jack: Yeah, hang on someone talk [1989.8] Adam: Hello, isn't it difficult to type stuff and say stuff at the same time? Yeah [1994.52] Tony: tiny [1997.44] Tony: Not Chad capper, but our mate chap from rotor right [2003.32] Tony: commented on the 5s [2005.92] Tony: post I put out [2009.24] Tony: And it's weird because you're saying that [2014.56] Tony: The MRP are using a thousand million power. Yeah [2019.08] Tony: and [2023.4] Tony: What it looks Chad [2025.24] Tony: Norwalk said so what battery is out there that can handle 140 amps and [2033.88] Tony: And then Matthew Evans [2035.88] Tony: commented crazy power sadly, I'm with Chad you're gonna need a huge pack probably 2,000 milliamp hour plus to withstand [2044.52] Tony: 140 amp continuous [2046.64] Tony: Which is probably right because [2048.64] Tony: The it won't it won't output that much for that long, but like me and fab said [2056.68] Tony: It when the 5s drops or you know droops or whatever you want to call it [2061.6] Tony: It will still be as good as a forest top-end. You know, I mean [2068.28] Jack: What I think what you're trying to say is that the initial punch out of a forest drops off very quickly [2075.16] Jack: But with the 5s you get a greater punch, but then it droops to the top end of a 4s [2081.64] Tony: Yeah, that's what I mean. So [2083.84] Tony: Realistically, you'll get that first bit of punch, which is all great [2086.84] Tony: And then if you still keep hammering it without giving it a break [2091.72] Jack: You'll still get that forest top-end. Yeah, so internal resistance and voltage sag [2098.56] Tony: Yeah, okay. Sorry. I'm just trying to and when you're flying in a race or [2104.36] Tony: flying even [2106.36] Tony: You know freestyle you you'll never on full for all anyway, you've freestyle up in the air your throttle six seconds stop [2115.68] Tony: right to the bottom [2117.44] Tony: Do some tricks fall down free for all right up same as racing your throttle to a gate [2123.76] Tony: Off the front turn from over the gate, you know, you'll never on full power [2129.76] Tony: Or anyway, so, you know, most of them batteries can come back in one second the second you're off the floor. They're [2138.0] Tony: Back back up quite a lot. Anyway, yeah [2142.72] Jack: There you go [2144.4] Jack: The video is yeah. Sorry. I know Frank. I've sent you a Facebook message. Oh, I know I've tried it doesn't work. Ah [2154.08] Jack: It's the greatest gift ever I [2156.84] UNKNOWN: I [2158.84] Jack: Don't care. Sorry. I [2161.4] Adam: Don't have so much more space to fly in than me [2165.8] Adam: Smaller quads [2167.8] Jack: Is that it? [2169.56] Jack: definitely, I like the [2171.88] Jack: Doge board. I think it's very well made and looks good. I love the doggy [2178.56] Frank: that's the main reason to get it is the [2182.93] Tony: Spits of some kind. Yeah, I think the doe doe do the same [2189.05] Tony: similar thing they do a doe doe board and then a [2192.81] Tony: You can put a plate on top of that and that will do your [2197.01] Frank: Yeah, that makes a bit more sense to me having them just slightly separate [2201.69] Tony: Yeah, because if one goes you can just replace that particular part rather than wasting [2208.29] Tony: You've got to replace the whole even if your flight controller works and your other bit, you know [2214.03] Tony: You're on the screen display doesn't you go replace? [2216.39] Jack: No, it does. It does look upside down though this this board [2221.91] Jack: You know for the the direction the arrows in and I quite like underneath it [2226.59] Jack: It's got a place flash chip here, which is quite [2232.31] Jack: Very down to fly Wow [2236.43] Jack: DTFC made in Japan [2239.59] Tony: Is anyone in the chat is anyone will ask any questions or is it just us talking crap? There's loads of people [2245.59] Tony: There's loads of yeah, we're just ignoring them [2248.59] Tony: We should see if there's any questions out there relating to what we're just someone not relating to what we're talking about [2254.59] Adam: Definitely not they just talk amongst themselves and just well the voice of doom is threatening to stick to 5s batteries together to make a bomb [2262.51] Adam: Sorry a tennis don't use the beeb word [2266.51] Tony: That word that word is tracked. Sorry. Yeah [2272.39] Tony: First birthday [2276.19] Frank: Will be hold in a second I'll bring it up carry on talking next month or so in a minute is he has not far [2282.43] Frank: It is the 25th of August. There you go [2287.51] Adam: Because everyone's gonna buy 5s so they'll all have the same batteries in it. Yeah [2292.79] Tony: And [2294.11] Tony: We've got to bring back the people on the first show [2297.79] Tony: for the first year, yeah, but that that [2302.59] Jack: Oh [2303.51] Jack: Generic interchange format as well. Apparently some people say you're getting very distracted here Jack says that [2312.43] Jack: Yeah interchange format yeah, it is. Oh, sorry. I read it wrong. I'm an idiot. I should have researched it [2320.91] Frank: Sorry, it's all right. You don't need to research the acronym behind us. Yeah, all I know is it's not [2329.07] Jack: Yeah, that's all I can there's a whole reddit page on this. Sorry, I'm getting [2336.35] Adam: Wow pronunciation as well you'll find is [2340.11] Frank: Anyway back on to the whatever we were talking about what we're talking about this for us [2345.15] Tony: Right Clinton Roberts says racing restriction is to 4s only it is at the moment, but we could change that [2353.19] Tony: That's all I'm saying. Yeah [2355.31] Adam: It could be or don't change it, but just get a sticker that says 4s [2362.51] Jack: No one's gonna check a lie [2364.51] Tony: Oh [2372.15] Frank: Queen's Cup this weekend, isn't it? Yes, it is the Queen's Cup this weekend. I have some information so I will find that [2380.07] Frank: It is yes, it's this weekend. It is part of the BMFA [2385.31] Frank: Rotafest [2386.75] Frank: There are going to be 12 gates 16 flags 200 cones laps gonna be 30 to 45 seconds [2393.91] Frank: And of course, it's 25 milliwatts on [2397.63] Frank: channels 1 to 6 [2399.31] Frank: No mention of frequencies for particular reasons. Okay, can I ask? [2405.95] Jack: You were chatting about the VTX is earlier and I wanted to know why [2413.78] Frank: What was a oh [2416.66] Frank: Yes, you can ask it was just a conversation I was having [2422.14] Frank: Where I said [2424.9] Frank: That outside of racing events a load of people [2430.1] Frank: You know haven't gone to the bother of changing to 25 milliwatt like outside of race events lots of people [2437.78] Frank: As far as I'm aware [2440.1] Frank: Still running 200 or 600 or may be they may be doing that maybe [2445.86] Frank: Yeah, obviously I have I have no, you know, no knowledge of you know, I don't know these people [2451.66] Frank: No, no point asking me who these people are. Yeah, and if they were to do it, they're not [2457.26] Frank: For being very naughty. Yeah, would you go so far as the citizens arrest? No, absolutely. Yeah, I think it's my responsibility as a [2466.5] Frank: As a responsible citizen to do so [2470.3] Jack: lightly email off-com maybe [2476.14] Adam: Just [2482.22] Jack: Snitches no, no, you know cash reward. Don't encourage them. They've got a lot of money. They're very powerful people off gone [2497.3] Frank: That makes sense because it has lots of other features that are good and it just happens to offer you more power [2504.02] Frank: But you wouldn't use that because you're a [2506.02] Adam: No need and or will work in other countries. Maybe when I'm on my own I can switch in other [2516.62] Tony: I can switch from [2518.86] Tony: 25 to 200 to 6 if I want so because otherwise, you know, I flew that 5s yesterday [2526.9] Tony: We're on 25 and I had to be so careful because I didn't take the ground station out fuel the ground station [2532.98] Tony: You're fine. But if you're just taking your goggles out for a quick flight. I'm 25. It's really annoying [2538.06] Tony: So you could if you wanted to be like say if you wanted to go for a quick flight over in America [2546.1] Jack: You could yeah switch it to 200 maybe if it sees down [2551.18] Jack: Yeah, you know, I mean like when you go to visit your own country Tony because we all know you own your own country [2557.66] Jack: Yeah, well, you can do whatever you like [2559.66] Jack: Yeah, you're partial to a bit of one what aren't you? [2564.06] Tony: 600 on my own yes [2566.06] Jack: One what kind of guy? [2567.06] Tony: That's why I'm doing freestyle, 600 milliwatt [2569.06] Jack: Okay, right, that's cleared that out [2571.06] Frank: Cleared my own country [2572.26] Frank: Yeah, so I was just because that was my gut feeling was that people were still doing that [2577.82] Frank: So I was just asking around if anyone [2580.18] Frank: Agreed with me or thought that because the the point with the person I was having the conversation with the point they made [2586.86] Frank: Was they thought that no one would have bought anything other than a 25 milliwatt raceband VTX in the past eight months [2592.94] Jack: But the raceband isn't legal in this country. That's what annoys me [2599.38] Frank: 2 to 6 or something 2 to something I think is it yeah [2604.1] Frank: Yeah, some of them are some of them aren't obviously because it's just [2611.46] Jack: The 25 milliwatt [2613.74] Jack: Race band you can only sell the original ones [2616.78] Tony: I just like to point out tell me if you're in Hidden Valley on a 600 milliwatt between all them valleys [2624.7] Tony: Who would get affected apart from anyone around you who's lying, but who would get affected? No one [2633.78] Frank: off the thing is that it's [2638.06] Frank: the band of frequencies that we're allowed to use is [2641.94] Frank: You know license unlicensed so it's anyone can use it for anything. So any nearby film crews [2651.34] Frank: Yeah, exactly could be yeah, they do actually use that quite a bit don't they yeah, all right, you just ruined everything [2658.74] Tony: You know, I was gonna say then [2661.3] Jack: Sorry [2664.18] Jack: Can you get a license to use [2667.18] Tony: License can't you [2669.94] Frank: Things that are in the air that's the problem [2673.06] Frank: So it's only for transmissions from the ground air transmissions. You can't get any exemption for [2680.98] Tony: That is exactly why I take my ground station everywhere [2687.34] Jack: Okay, I was hoping Tony would be like can't we just swap the [2692.5] Jack: VTX to have on the ground and put the receiver in the air. I was hoping you'd say that [2700.3] Tony: A couple of years ago. Yeah, I know I know I miss those days [2711.42] Jack: This VTX is very small that VTX is far away [2722.1] Frank: I just know I just noticed in the chat Beastie. Hello Beastie [2727.9] Frank: Said he was angel said a TV. He wants a TBS unify pro I have in front of me a TBS unify pro [2735.9] Frank: Sorry Frank. No [2738.5] Frank: TBS I have in front of me a TBS unify pro that is just not doesn't work [2743.82] Jack: It's dead on arrival didn't do anything and I met a guy in [2748.9] Jack: Hidden Valley who will remain nameless [2753.26] Jack: Due to you know, obviously what you're about to tell you know, I'm not really [2760.78] Jack: Shut up Tony [2763.54] Jack: Shut your whore mouth [2767.34] Jack: Here's one didn't work either [2769.34] Jack: Yeah, so [2771.38] Frank: You might have a sympathy email since I thought that you know like Beastie [2775.38] Frank: I thought that was gonna be you know, he end of all my problems cuz you know [2780.82] Frank: TBS like they're they're a big name on there. So you'd expect it to be brilliant [2786.5] Tony: Did anyone see Richard Whelan's rent at TBS? This is this don't work then he was thrown it on his bench [2792.98] Tony: I'm yet to see that video come out on YouTube because he was [2798.14] Frank: Yeah, but that that came out that evening that this died or at least it was sent to be the evening [2804.14] Frank: I don't actually know when it came out to be honest [2806.1] Frank: But yes, that was exactly how I was feeling at the time as well [2808.94] Frank: But I had only one thing whereas he had a massive, you know room full of TBS stuff that he was throwing about and kicking [2815.58] Tony: So why should I say you could win anything if they brought out a small 25 milliwatt as good as their 600? [2822.62] Jack: Well, they've got no one to kick off. They've got for the love of Christ [2828.26] Tony: Is this the fat shop and it's massive [2831.62] Jack: They've done the mini ones they've done the mini ones [2836.38] Jack: Instagram where basically it's it's too little it's a mini VTX [2842.62] Jack: with a [2846.34] Jack: With a [2847.94] Jack: little [2849.06] Jack: You plug something into the side of it [2850.98] Jack: that's a light receiver and you've got a wand that sets your channel and [2855.66] Jack: Your milliwatt and you wave it over your quad [2858.54] Jack: You can choose to install it or you plug it in yet and it changes Boris B was using it [2864.7] Jack: I know it's not out yet, but that's going to change everything because how how good is that? No more pushing little buttons and [2873.1] Jack: Do you know what really annoys me is these little LEDs and the [2878.74] Jack: LED numbers of the channel thing because [2881.78] Jack: Inevitably, right you mount it on your quad and you can't see what channel you're on or band [2887.86] Jack: It's just impossible because of the way the way things mount [2891.92] Jack: You know, you can't see what you're doing. That's why I prefer the dip switch in the immersion RCs. I'm mounted above my [2899.98] Jack: Flight controller on my alien. I could see what dip switches are and I know if they're up and down [2905.98] Jack: I know what channel I'm on [2908.94] Jack: But [2910.94] Tony: Your element there, wouldn't you with a little little witchy wand? Yeah [2915.46] Frank: Yeah, I'm imagining is like the next rotor race rotor. Yeah, right the racing event [2921.38] Frank: Having like Craig and like a TR and a 22 waving this wonder round [2926.98] Adam: May as well start calling it quidditch [2929.58] Tony: Okay, not Quidditch. What I can know. I've got that one in there before you Adam [2937.98] Tony: Mike in there. Yeah, I can see that as well [2942.14] Frank: Um, I'm just still reeling from [2945.98] Frank: That I like the idea of Quidditch. I think we should set up quality [2949.78] Frank: Yeah, I think I really want to get a team sport kill me [2955.26] Frank: Because I've been you I've been trying for ages to get this football working [2958.82] Jack: But it just doesn't work image in the messenger if you'd like to put it up [2963.78] Frank: Okay, I'll have a look but yeah, I've been trying to get in a ditch. No, I suppose [2968.58] Frank: Right trying all these different footballs [2971.7] Frank: Surfaces I just can't get any amount of control of a football with a quad [2975.9] Frank: So that's not working. So I think Quidditch is the next way to go [2979.58] Frank: I have no idea how that would work, but we should work it out [2982.54] Tony: We should just [2984.22] Tony: Wash each other's quads out of the sky [2988.38] Adam: See who stays up the longest and and whoever is favored at that moment by the narrative is the one who wins [2995.98] Adam: Ah [2997.34] Adam: I've seen the films a bit [2999.5] Tony: That's him, you know, we could be millionaires [3003.9] Adam: the um, yeah or sued [3007.34] Jack: The only thing that got me about those films is the time spinner [3011.02] Jack: it put more holes [3014.06] Jack: Than ever before, you know, like Hermione had the thing that she can go back in time and stuff like that [3020.3] Frank: I thought they actually did a pretty good job of having a self-consistent timeline, but I could be wrong [3027.66] Adam: I like the way they got older [3029.26] Adam: So like, you know kids going through school do like unlike the simpsons or anything else like that [3034.7] Adam: But I think I sort of respected [3037.02] Adam: From an authorial standpoint, you know, even the books didn't just insist on being stuck on this one weird point in time [3044.62] Frank: Anyway, this is quite another tangent from yeah [3048.14] Adam: Yeah, we're actually in the chat [3052.38] Adam: Uh, well one guy really wants to move on. Oh, I tell you what, you know in the films [3058.14] Frank: This is a good segue. Trust me, you know in the films there's the uh [3063.18] Frank: Like the the scene with all the keys flying around [3067.66] Frank: On the canvas now tiny drone tiny butterfly drone [3072.78] Frank: Like there's a video of it as well. It's called the festo [3077.16] Adam: Emotion butterflies. Oh, yeah, I saw something about a while ago. It's a brilliant idea [3082.06] Adam: And there you go. That's the thing you have to catch everyone gets a drone [3085.66] Adam: They're all flying around the first person to destroy that wind [3089.26] Frank: Anyway, you could decide [3091.26] Frank: No [3091.58] Frank: Because like the bit in the middle is the only expensive bit and i'm sure that just get flung to one side or something [3096.38] Frank: And you just destroy the wings of this thing and then you win. I think that's brilliant [3101.58] Adam: It's whatever the there's a gold thing left after in quidditch. It's that [3106.06] Adam: It's the snitch that's it that [3109.1] Tony: What we might as well do then is just get a plane a cheap ass foam foamy [3114.62] Tony: Someone flies the plane and everyone just rams the cranny out of it with their quads [3118.54] Frank: But we just have teams so it's like one one's [3121.74] Frank: Yeah, and then whoever if you need to make it teams because if it's teams [3125.74] Frank: Well, it's something we have to defend it [3128.14] Frank: What about two planes? So it's like capture the flag. So one is on [3133.18] Frank: One side it's defending and one's attacking so if you have like red team blue team [3137.58] Frank: You've got the red plane and the red quads and red quads are trying to get the blue plane [3142.46] Frank: Out the sky while the blue quads are trying to get the red plane out of the sky [3146.54] Frank: Can you imagine the carnage? Yes, and I think it's glorious [3152.7] Tony: I'm opening up a shop repair shop. Yeah [3156.3] Tony: You'll make an employee you're all fixing shit. Well, that's it. We want to get my work for jack [3162.14] Adam: So, you know, we want to keep people involved in the industry the way to get the industry to grow [3167.98] Adam: Is to create more work for the industry and we need to smash stuff up [3171.66] Adam: We've been muted [3173.66] Jack: No, you haven't no. No, you haven't i'm engaging with the chat. Apparently [3178.94] Jack: You can get those on get fpv for the us nationals [3183.42] Jack: That's uh captain prime [3187.14] Jack: So chris chris says he loves that sport [3191.14] Adam: Oh, yeah, it's a brilliant. I love chris h beastie can piss off [3197.3] Jack: To be honest I remember at [3199.78] Jack: um [3200.74] Jack: At the uh, festival when johnny banton stuck playing up with some streamers and we were all chasing it [3207.62] Jack: That was [3209.06] Jack: That was one of the best things in my life. It was so good [3214.42] Tony: That was proper epic, but I absolutely [3217.94] Tony: Killed my battery you can it fell out of the sky. Yeah mine was red hard [3223.7] Tony: I just didn't care [3231.62] Adam: Someone has a red streamer someone has a blue streamer first person to cut the other streamer wins. Yeah, it doesn't work with [3239.94] Frank: Why not [3241.94] Frank: Anyone tried it you get streamer combat with the planes going against each other [3246.42] Jack: Yeah, because you've got a linear guide slope. That's why [3249.78] Frank: But I think having the multi-rotors going after it [3253.54] Frank: I mean we've tried that before having multi-rotors going for the streamers on a quad [3257.62] Frank: But to have it two separate teams going for each other's planes, and I think we should forget the streamers [3262.66] Frank: Let's just take the plane out. All right, you just get like the tiny little [3267.46] Frank: Phone board things, you know a cheap flight test one that you just rebuild the the thing [3272.74] Adam: The frame you write the streamer either way it needs a plane doesn't it? [3275.86] Adam: But I would think even from even at a side angle the rotors on a quad [3282.02] Adam: Um voice of doom tells us he actually owns quad itch co uk, so [3289.62] Jack: Oh god don't encourage them [3292.18] Jack: That's it because you'll be out in the middle of the field up your little robes on you little [3299.22] Jack: Paintball mofos [3301.94] Tony: I'm actually paintballing Saturday [3304.5] Jack: Are you? [3305.7] Tony: Yeah, 43 year old running around the woods. God's sake that's what you were on about [3312.34] Frank: Yeah, oh no, you're gonna come back with a massive welt on your forehead [3317.38] Tony: I hope not [3318.66] Jack: No, he's got the full mask surely [3323.94] Tony: No, i'm pretty good last time I went I uh won [3327.94] Adam: You haven't upset anyone have you remember that spaced episode yeah, I know [3333.22] Jack: Yeah, put put one of the paintballs in your mouth and drip off. I've got a GoPro session [3338.18] Tony: And i'm deciding whether to clamp it onto the gun or put it on my head [3342.98] Jack: Tony i'm not being funny, but you should get those guys to line up and you should be like, all right boys [3350.26] Jack: Fucking see whether you can take this out and just rag it like they did on uh, can you shoot a drone on? [3357.22] Jack: What not because they'll love you for that. Yeah [3359.86] Jack: Absolutely [3361.46] Jack: If you show up with that you're gonna be the boss [3365.46] Tony: I'm gonna actually turn up with one of my quads and say try to shoot this out of the sky. Yeah [3372.02] Jack: You're like doing it. Yeah, and some of those grenades they have as well. Yeah, can you get some? [3378.58] Adam: I'm gonna try [3384.1] Adam: Oh man, martin says you should wear a cricket box, but you know if you forget [3389.54] Jack: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think he's a bit past that now anyway [3393.94] Jack: I'll be all right [3398.18] Jack: I don't know [3400.5] Adam: All right, someone's gonna wrap up [3402.66] Frank: but yes, uh, so [3405.3] Frank: Due on after us was hannah the 3d printing lady with amusing's but she's unfortunately just had to [3412.82] Frank: Message me just to say that she's not going to be able to make it in today [3417.3] Frank: She's going to have to cancel. Uh, she can't find anywhere that she can actually sit down to [3423.78] Frank: uh and have both wi-fi and [3427.46] Frank: Enough quiet for us to hear so she's gonna have to [3431.22] Frank: call in [3432.58] Frank: Broken, I guess do we do we want to quite sick [3436.1] Jack: Do we want to go on for an extra couple of minutes and open up the skype? [3440.98] Frank: To anyone in the chat for the podcast. So this is the end of the podcast guys if you're listening [3447.62] Frank: in future land then [3450.5] Frank: Goodbye. Have a good rest of your your day [3452.98] Frank: I guess because it's only evening for us now that you're here, you know you in the future. It could be any time of day [3458.42] Frank: Have a good rest of your day [3460.26] Frank: Uh, this has been let's drone out recorded live on paringon.co.uk [3465.14] Frank: I've been producer frank. We've had jack. Hello [3469.46] Frank: Is the wrong one try the other one [3472.5] Adam: He won't he won't get that goodbye he means goodbye [3476.74] Frank: I told you he's just say goodbye jack. This is the end goodbye jack [3482.98] Frank: We've had adam juniper, right and we've had tone star [3490.18] Frank: That would be [3492.34] UNKNOWN: A sweet revenge