=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 58 ===
Title: The literate voice people who can speak in whole sentences
Recorded: 2016-10-06
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Adam Juniper, Jae "Chipko"
Guest(s): Dom "D2" "Voice of Doom" Robinson
Total audience: 2,981
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ZzxFu2l6M); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/291458313-letsdroneout-the-literate-voice-people-who-can-speak-in-whole-sentences.mp3)
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Jack dosn't  live his dream and speak to the FPV bad boy Trappy from Team black sheep! jack is crying.

Also Sign this ore the whole of the the uk will never fpv again think of the children, for they will never fly rate mode!

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[0.66] Jack: Let's drone out
[2.7] Jack: Let's go now and quickly. I'm speaking. I am bright to my fly. You're also talking to Adam
[30.5] Jack: Juniper Frank
[32.78] Jack: Hello, and Joe. Yeah. Good. I might back for it. I know Trappie
[37.7] Jack: No, no, if you're listening to this Trappie, you broke my heart. You broke my little FPV heart
[43.46] Jack: I think it's cuz you said to him probably sexy
[46.94] Jack: You said I was sick that trap. Trappie likes that
[52.7] Jae: Okay
[53.98] Adam: Is there a significant other in his life that might have read the message?
[57.98] Jack: Might might he be having a fight right now? No, I reckon he's just gone asleep because it's like 2 a.m
[64.22] Jack: Yeah
[68.9] Jack: Better things to do then listen to skin that's thrown out
[73.1] Adam: But when did you send a message stack?
[75.14] Adam: What I'm saying is was he in bed around about 11 and his phone when she picked it up went hang on
[81.82] Adam: Why are you getting a message from some good Jack saying are you always sexy?
[85.9] Jack: But it's not like my name's Jackie
[89.22] Jae: Never bright until I fly. Maybe bright until I fly. Yeah, who knows?
[95.62] Adam: Name like that to me sounds like a dealer trappies allowed to do drugs if he wants
[113.52] Jae: You
[115.56] Frank: This well three of us at British Championships this weekend
[122.6] Adam: See the FPV RA. Oh, yeah, tell us all about it. I
[129.5] Adam: It was us weren't there
[131.54] Frank: Yeah, well Saturday was very very very wet
[136.86] Frank: rain much rain to the point where Jack was trying his best to leave and
[145.74] Frank: Twamped in I'm not allowed to leave
[150.74] Frank: But yeah, then
[153.34] Frank: It managed to at least get some practicing in on Saturday so Sunday was straight in
[161.62] Frank: Even done a round of qualifying on Saturday and it says the other brands are qualifying Sunday
[168.18] Frank: Of the all the racing. Yeah, it all turned out pretty nicely on Sunday. It was lovely weather
[175.82] Frank: But yeah
[178.02] Frank: Where were you? What feel we were we were it at Ragley Hall, which is a big stately home
[185.58] Frank: near
[186.94] Frank: ancestor
[188.94] Frank: Oster even though Leicester and
[193.06] Frank: Places like that would beg other words. But yes
[196.14] Frank: ancestor and
[198.3] Frank: a big city house with big grounds and there was a
[203.26] Frank: There's a big flight line of the like a large model aircraft in terms of big fixed wings
[212.22] Frank: and there are even
[214.02] Frank: manned motor gliders and
[216.86] Frank: There was a pit special or something. So I'm flying around like actual full-size man thing flying around
[225.98] Frank: Went through all the or the catering bits and I went through some of the camping and then you
[233.98] Frank: The very British ship
[238.34] Frank: Netted area where all the racing was going on and then if you carried on through us and through our camping and
[244.74] Frank: up through and
[247.3] Frank: Eventually you get to the 3d helis
[250.1] Frank: So they were there as well, but well out of the way and I don't know
[259.02] Jack: They weren't there in fairness like I just like to let in what they called
[268.02] Jack: What is their name a line check
[270.78] Jack: Yeah line tracks, but you have inadvertently got your revenge because Saturday was the worst day of my life. I
[279.5] Jack: Have never been wetter
[284.82] Jack: Yeah, more miserable I was begging people like, you know
[288.1] Jack: I'm going now and I was like, please take me with you and they were like and then driving off
[294.86] Jack: My this minus the comedy like mud flicking from the tires in my face as they pull away
[302.1] Jack: That's pretty much how I felt. I just wanted hey Dom's here. Hello Dom
[309.26] Jack: Hello chaps, how are you? Yeah, well, I was literally praying for death
[318.42] Jack: Honestly, you couldn't make it any worse unless you sell a tape to me to Thomas Grier himself
[332.34] Jack: Contracted whatever illness that man had
[335.78] Jack: Because like we've got a beard you've got a beard coming. Oh, no
[339.34] Jack: Yeah with Scotsman, they're pretty much immune to everything, you know, they're the sort of people
[345.9] Jack: Have have the ability to like headbutt AIDS
[350.66] Jack: So they don't get it
[353.02] Adam: plenty of statistical evidence that would suggest otherwise but carry on but he
[359.42] Jack: like I
[360.9] Jack: Mean that they wander around in t-shirts. Do you know I mean and he's like I I don't understand why his
[370.18] Jack: You know
[371.38] Jack: Fleece even has a zip because he never does it up and you know, he's wandering around they had a gazebo
[377.74] Jack: They didn't want to get wet. So they didn't put it up
[381.18] Jack: So we just they're getting wet people's quads are like burning out freaking out
[387.74] Jack: Setting on fire. Oh
[389.82] Adam: They were more worried about getting the gazebo wet than using the gazebo. Yeah, so I'm getting wet
[396.02] Frank: But there was a giant marquee that you could go in instead. Yeah, Jack clearly. Yeah. Yeah, but unfortunately
[405.18] Jack: There the ground
[407.38] Jack: Jack's no Jack's that's what he's saying. The ground station
[412.02] Jack: Didn't reach that far. You know, you try and hide in race control and they would like
[416.94] Frank: Scoot you out. That's why the you know, because there was a lot of rain and it was a case of either
[422.46] Frank: We do the practicing in the more drizzly bits of in between the stormy bits
[428.34] Frank: Oh, there's not gonna be any time for practicing getting everything else done
[432.38] Frank: So the option was given you can take advantage of your practice now
[438.14] Frank: Or keep your quads dry. It's up to you
[441.86] Frank: So yeah, but everyone pretty much decided I actually I would rather get my quads a little bit wet and fly and
[450.5] Frank: Think only one or two out of the 58 quads
[455.5] Frank: Had some twitchy things going on and even then I'm not entirely sure you could say that was down to the rain
[461.38] Frank: And not just because they're a bit twitchy
[463.62] Adam: So take me through the format of the competition who was you know?
[468.22] Adam: 58 people
[469.82] Frank: So yeah, so it was the top
[477.98] Frank: So it was an invitational event so from the various qualifying events that happened throughout the year
[486.66] Frank: All the the placings from all those qualifying events
[490.98] Frank: Were added altogether. So there was a big league table of everyone and so it was okay
[496.9] Frank: So going down the list and inviting people into turn
[500.02] Frank: To find the top 60 pilots who are available that weekend
[504.82] Frank: and
[506.3] Frank: so
[507.86] Frank: 60 pilots had and
[512.14] Frank: 58 pilots turned up and got their deposit back
[516.9] Frank: for turning up because apparently that's how thick professional events work with us how the
[521.86] Frank: The 3d helix and how the large-scale model fixed wings all works. So that is how we essentially
[534.18] Adam: Back when you get that
[536.02] Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's how a deposit works. Yeah
[540.46] Adam: No, but it's a clever way of making sure people show up. There's no big exactly. Yeah, especially if it's right or just give Grier a gun
[548.46] Jack: and your address
[550.62] Jack: That is also very
[553.26] Adam: Eventually
[558.46] Jack: No, I'm just being a cop
[561.46] Jack: I wish you'd come on the show more just so I could just do his head in it's one of my favorite pastimes
[568.22] Jack: You know
[570.22] Jack: On the weekends
[572.7] Jack: I'm surprised. I'm still alive. Look, I'm pretty suicidal
[577.14] Frank: So you didn't get disqualified to be honest
[580.74] Frank: Yeah, it was
[583.18] Frank: Absolutely for me at least the entertainment value of the weekend. I was a gobshite
[587.86] Frank: Absolute gobshite the whole weekend
[590.66] Frank: Which I was thinking more your actual racing where you did your James May impression
[604.42] Jack: To laugh at me Joe, you're a dead man
[610.9] Frank: Lost going around the course
[612.98] Jack: We can't all hang around with NJ tech
[616.62] Jack: Get good you asshole. Come on. You should visit more Jack. You should visit more
[623.74] Jack: Visit more you haven't visited once. I
[627.7] Jack: Don't want to do a little friends up there. I'm not cool enough
[632.3] Jack: You're more than welcome to come a little mini. I haven't got a mini
[635.98] Jack: Quad
[637.14] Jack: Well, I have but it's only one processor. I'm not you killer hurt free
[643.42] Jae: I can't believe the voice of doom got so close yet. So far
[648.06] Jae: Mind you you run the South Coast. Why would you want to move up? You come up this way to visit?
[652.06] Jae: That's why I'm down again this weekend
[654.1] Jack: Yeah, I've got no desire to date my cousin
[665.98] Frank: But anyway
[669.14] Frank: Yeah, he was racing around but
[673.66] Jae: Was it quite technical
[676.82] Frank: Along the same lines is you know, they're the qualifying events that there have been
[682.02] Frank: See this it was reasonably technical
[685.02] Frank: But you know, it's the same thing every event is everyone's start us off with loads of people complaining that oh, it's too technical
[691.42] Frank: I can't get around it. And then by the end everyone's putting in 20 second times. So or Jack gets lost
[701.98] Frank: Yeah, Jack managed to have a habit of going into this chicane and then
[706.26] Frank: slightly taking a bit of a detour and
[708.98] Frank: Confusing one of the the gates on the other side of the course for the next gate in the chicane
[715.02] Frank: So once or twice he ended up going against the flow of traffic
[719.34] Frank: which is
[721.42] Jae: A good idea. However, you know, at least he made it to the championships. Well done. Yeah, well done. And yeah
[730.18] Frank: We just we just had to keep him focused on what he was doing and kind of remind you
[735.9] Jack: Let's less of that actually
[738.38] Jack: Hang on. He made me turn around. I wasn't allowed to look at the course and he made me name
[745.42] Jack: like like, you know, like yeah, you go start a guy and then you go round
[751.26] Jack: The flag and he's like what direction around the flag?
[754.46] Jack: I was like, well you go right a bit and then round to the left and he's like good like really steely eyed
[760.94] Jack: Looking at me like honestly if he had a ruler or some sort of teaching stick
[765.98] Jack: If I got it wrong, I'm sure he would have
[775.66] Jack: I'm sure he was at one point. I caught him eyeing up
[780.14] Jack: The the plug lead from the ground station to go in your goggles. I'm sure he was going to grot me with it
[785.9] Jack: He was like, you know, like he had the rocky music playing in his head
[790.3] Jack: He was like you're an embarrassment to this hobby
[793.58] Jack: like
[794.62] Jack: You know, he was outraged like at one point I got sober. I was like i'm really shit at this
[801.1] Jack: Carlos if you're listening to this right mr. 47th place
[805.5] Jack: right
[806.78] Jack: You made it out of the 50s and he's like
[813.15] Dom: Hello
[816.06] Dom: Silence at the jack. Oh, yes
[821.1] Jack: I got negative points because at one point
[825.42] Jack: I got bored and started flying freestyle at which point andrew wanted to kill me
[832.62] Frank: Well, I it wasn't the freestyle itself
[835.74] Frank: I just would have preferred if you did the freestyle not where other people were racing
[839.58] Frank: That was all if you'd done it over the court the part
[841.82] Frank: A bit hard finished when you're trapped in a net
[847.5] Frank: No
[847.74] Frank: But like everyone was coming along the far straight and then you were doing freestyle above the far straight
[852.38] Frank: And if you'd been doing it over the chicane, it would have been fine. I think but anyway
[856.7] Frank: You did your freestyle because you'd done your lap. So you did your freestyle
[861.42] Frank: uh
[862.46] Frank: you
[863.66] Frank: for the other qualifying
[865.98] Frank: the heats the other heats
[868.3] Frank: You did a bit more freestyle like in between the the gates and the hoops and things
[873.74] Frank: And a few people noticed and so when it came to the quarterfinals and the semi-finals
[882.7] Frank: All the the qualifying rounds they're all pre-set everyone knows what heat they're in they're all put together before the event
[891.5] Frank: And it's just bam bam bam keeps going through when it gets to the quarterfinals
[895.28] Frank: The racing
[898.0] Frank: Has to take all the data from the iLapse timing system and go
[903.6] Frank: Chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk work out who's in which one and which channels work with who and all of that kind of stuff
[910.08] Frank: So he needs about you know, 10 15 minutes between the last qualifying round and the first quarterfinal
[917.6] Frank: He set up who's racing in which race?
[920.64] Frank: And so for that 10 or 15 minutes that then became a freestyle slot because everyone had noticed
[928.8] Frank: Starling
[930.16] Frank: So jack was the first out to do the freestyle
[934.0] Frank: And you did all right
[937.04] Frank: He had music playing through
[939.68] Frank: via
[941.2] Jack: Radium mike. Yeah, I couldn't see what i was doing because I forgot to adjust
[946.16] Jack: My uh camera for like actual sunlight. I kind of forgotten that existed
[953.04] Jack: But you know as I got through the whole weekend
[956.24] Jack: I can upload my dvr footage just to prove that i'm not lying. Also. I am a bit
[961.68] Jack: Hence that I swore again. I'm so sorry for cutting
[965.28] Jack: Um, but I am very passionate
[967.68] Jack: Uh, yeah, also like the 58th place kind of backs that up. So, you know
[973.76] Jack: Maybe maybe me and carlos can go into some sort of mutual suicide, but i'm worried about the other people from like
[980.94] Jack: 48th to
[983.44] Jack: 57th, you know also, you know some sort of cult like
[988.64] Jack: You know where we have to wear the same trainers and drink kool-aid
[995.92] Jack: Andrew stop ban me ban me forever
[999.04] Jack: Surely that's something adam should say out loud. Anyway, have we covered the uh
[1004.16] Jack: the the nationals yet
[1006.32] Frank: I guess we haven't said
[1008.32] Frank: People started other people started joining in the freestyle as well because there was more time in between the semis
[1013.12] Frank: Like grand final and things and yeah, then there was other people taking advantage of the freestyle as well
[1017.92] Frank: So, you know, you're a trendsetter
[1020.08] Frank: Were there many spectators there?
[1023.76] Jack: Yeah, some of them went into comas
[1026.56] Jack: Oh really
[1028.56] Jae: what
[1031.36] Frank: I think jack just didn't enjoy himself. And so he's remembering everything through a great haze of depression to be honest
[1040.56] Jack: I should don't encourage me
[1044.4] Jack: I'd be a lot better if I could
[1046.96] Dom: Was it entertaining to to be there as much?
[1050.72] Frank: Yeah, I mean there was there was a good group of people sitting
[1054.88] Frank: uh behind the rope
[1057.92] Frank: And and watching along and people were handing out goggles and things occasionally, so yeah
[1064.56] Jack: Was eyeing up the rope I think to hang himself
[1068.64] Dom: So I was trying to keep my eyes out for blogging and stuff
[1071.28] Dom: But there was there was it felt like everyone was really busy trying to get over the rain or race
[1076.96] Frank: Yeah
[1078.96] Frank: Did make it pretty tight that we were going to actually manage to get all the racing in but
[1084.32] Frank: you know, we're racing and they're
[1087.68] Frank: Of doing everything it did work out in the end
[1091.44] Jack: I'm just putting the optimum word
[1095.28] Frank: Sorry
[1096.8] Frank: Unfortunately, there were
[1100.0] Frank: An issue with internet connectivity so that you know, there wasn't any on the actual event
[1106.32] Frank: um, it didn't work out at the end
[1108.4] Frank: so
[1110.08] Frank: streaming unfortunately, but uh
[1113.6] Frank: Yeah, hopefully future events
[1117.12] Jae: Rumor has it that uh adam's joining the race circuit next year. Yeah, it's going to be competing. Yeah
[1126.24] Adam: Inspire
[1132.64] Jack: You know, you know when they say go through the gates they don't mean obliterate the gate as you go
[1140.08] Adam: Oh
[1142.08] Adam: I was going to sharpen the prop
[1146.0] Frank: And then bob it works fine until you go to formula and have a go with the scaffolding
[1151.36] Jack: You know, you know what we're all laughing right, but he he will be flying not a prototype. He will be the only one legal
[1161.6] Jack: You know, so I just like to we're all like
[1164.96] Adam: Oh, yeah, i'll be there again like yeah, here you are. I'm legal I win right? Yeah
[1171.68] Jack: I i've spent my money on a b-knock
[1175.6] Frank: How do you gonna be a really nice segue into uh, the
[1179.68] Frank: DJI mavic and the snail racing drone propulsion system
[1185.36] Jack: Oh, I can't wait actually I think I might marry thomas gray
[1194.88] Dom: The babies will be weird
[1197.04] Adam: Yeah, I mean I you know, I didn't know that thomas secretly was DJI or any of those people
[1201.68] Jack: No, no, he's the only one who can save me from this
[1205.2] Jack: He's the only one who doesn't seem worried about it
[1209.44] Jack: Um, I think yeah carry on
[1214.24] Adam: What's wrong with that's an obvious problem, I mean if
[1218.64] Adam: Zero have already done something like that
[1221.04] Adam: In fact, have you seen the zero one with the fold-out arms? It's also got changeable backs
[1226.32] Adam: So you can put a different cover on it like a late 90s mobile phone. Oh, what the nokia 7280 or
[1234.16] Jack: Oh fantastic. I hope it comes with polyphonic ringtones when you start it up
[1239.14] Jack: Oh
[1247.22] Jack: No, you're just not on your christmas, you know when when you're on gps hold
[1252.18] Jack: You've got an option where it uploads snake. Yeah, you can play snake whilst flying
[1258.18] Adam: And the um, the other the other one is is unique. We've got um one they've called the breeze
[1263.7] Adam: Fold-out thing. Um, of course breeze is enough to stop that being a good idea because it's super lightweight
[1269.14] Adam: but still
[1272.18] Adam: It's I definitely think the um, the old trying to take technologies from the old nokia is the way to go
[1278.58] Frank: It really does look like it's an old old nokia with some props attached the unique breeze
[1286.1] Adam: And i'm not going to look at look at the zero. Um
[1289.78] Adam: Oh, i'm trying to remember its name now, but
[1292.26] Adam: Yeah, if you go to the zero website
[1293.86] Adam: There are lots of things that look like copies of dji and then this one thing which they got out first
[1300.42] Adam: And then dji can bring the mavic out which is looks like a copy of there. Yeah. Wow
[1306.9] Jack: I don't know whether it's a text on us. Let's see whether he wants to defend himself
[1313.62] Jack: Um, i'm sure i'm sure he's got plans. Yeah, I can't find him on my thing. I think he's blocked me. Um
[1324.9] Dom: I love him really I think the mavic's quite an interesting product product
[1328.26] Dom: I think it is an inevitability that each brand will try to
[1331.86] Dom: Make a play in each of the sort of different form factors of the drones
[1336.5] Dom: And some of them will survive some of them won't but
[1339.3] Dom: I think uh, it was for me
[1341.46] Dom: It was it was interesting as I bought p4 like three weeks before the mavic came out and I sat there for a few days
[1348.1] Dom: Should i've actually got i'm quite glad I didn't know because on inspection it's got a much smaller ccd
[1352.74] Dom: It's not a p4. They haven't cannibalized the p4 market completely
[1357.06] Dom: Um, so and I I justified by mine because I needed a 4k video source and it was the one that could fly
[1364.1] Dom: um
[1365.54] Adam: It's intentionally useful, isn't it fly my phone does 4k
[1369.7] Dom: I'll tell you having spent
[1371.86] Dom: Now six seven packs on on the phantom. It's a thoroughly
[1376.9] Dom: Boring thing to fly. It's the most uninteresting thing to fly you could possibly imagine
[1381.38] Dom: But that's because it's not a flying toy. It's not a racer. It's not a
[1386.42] Dom: An aircraft in the same way. It's it's a tripod. It's a tripod
[1390.34] Adam: Canon 350d, you know, it's a lower
[1395.3] Adam: Like you know entry point for the people who like their photography and their video which you know, which is lots of people me included
[1401.54] Adam: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I do get that. It's not exciting to uh
[1405.22] Dom: The weird thing is like an iron to find
[1408.18] Dom: An iron to fly in the p4. It was like well
[1410.02] Dom: This is like moving a vector dot around the 3d sort of game space or something
[1414.34] Dom: It's it's kind of that's not interesting
[1416.82] Dom: But then a week later i've started to scratch the surface of all the of all the different
[1421.86] Dom: Um sort of controlled shots you can do and started to think actually
[1429.46] Adam: When I started out
[1431.14] Adam: um
[1432.18] Adam: And you wanted to buy you know, you could buy controllers if you weren't going to go down the 3d robotics route
[1437.62] Adam: um
[1438.34] Adam: And if you wanted to buy stuff from the dji
[1440.9] Adam: You'd have to go to really expensive the the wukong controllers like 500 pounds or something to be able to do
[1447.94] Adam: Circle around an object and keep pointing at it
[1450.9] Adam: Yes, that's just built in but it's a little quiet
[1454.9] Adam: Who who adam adam? Oh, you can blame apple for that. I've got the new phone
[1460.18] Adam: And so my headphones with the microphone on the lead and you've dropped them in the seat
[1467.3] Adam: See adapter
[1470.9] Jack: Now what okay fantastic, um
[1475.38] Jack: Yeah
[1476.9] Dom: Hopefully the recording is going to say a quick question for you probably jay and aden because you both uh, dji flies the um
[1484.1] Dom: I'm curious that there's various different ground systems that you can plug in beyond dji dji go
[1491.7] Dom: Uh, and i'm curious just I haven't had time to go and look here
[1495.7] Dom: Is there a soft an sdk and an api into the dji environment?
[1500.9] Adam: Which when they launched the inspire they launched the
[1504.9] Adam: Sdk, but it's a bit you just get in touch. I think and they'll give you it basically
[1510.34] Dom: Right, that gives me something to go and have a play with that's cool
[1514.02] Jae: I mean there are many options out there and to be honest
[1517.46] Jae: They all serve different needs
[1519.46] Jae: Uh better or worse than each other like for the waypoints stuff
[1522.26] Jae: The litchy's quite good to get banked curves and things for you and different points of interest with the camera
[1527.54] Dom: So what's the score under under uh current caa at least law with uh way pointing?
[1535.22] Adam: As long as you're you know, as long as you're watching it and have the sticks and ready to say go
[1539.38] Adam: It's under your control. So you're fine
[1542.26] Jack: Okay
[1543.78] Jack: In what respect at least the laws on any of you remember logo
[1548.02] Jack: Do you ever remember that like the yeah
[1550.26] Jack: The the wrong bot where
[1552.58] Jack: Yes, yeah with the pencil. Yes
[1555.44] Jack: essentially
[1556.58] Jack: How much did you pay?
[1558.58] Jack: How much did you pay for it? It's a big track
[1561.94] Jack: Yeah, it's essentially a floating one of those isn't it really like we haven't really come for
[1566.74] Jack: Is there any way to change this so that the chat is like in green text and everything's black?
[1572.82] Jack: Oh, you know
[1574.18] Jack: Terminals at the bbc. Yeah, you know, we'll just run execute file for the the rest of the show
[1580.5] Dom: We'll work that out for you. Jack. We'll get it so it comes up christmas tree viruses a scrolling teleprompter
[1587.46] Jack: Jay got that. Yeah
[1589.78] Adam: A word of warning for you dom though when you start using the non dji apps
[1594.58] Adam: Yeah, um, sometimes when you want to then take back control and quit out and get back
[1599.7] Adam: Um, they're not it's not 100 reliable
[1602.58] Adam: So if you're in the air and you're trying to make a connection back to the dji app
[1606.42] Adam: You will sometimes find it won't and you're going to have to fly back, you know a good old-fashioned way
[1612.18] Dom: Yeah, yeah
[1614.02] Dom: I'm sort of in my my in my experiment so far. I've just been using the the the the
[1619.7] Dom: um autonomous stuff
[1622.34] Dom: to augment manual flight
[1624.42] Dom: Just so I can get a feel for the bird at the moment because it's it's a different thing to fly
[1627.54] Dom: It's really off putting it
[1629.14] Dom: The the left hand doesn't do what it's supposed to do
[1632.82] Adam: Well that one out
[1633.78] Adam: Or if you that's sort of that's sort of how I think what the left hand should do
[1637.3] Adam: But now i'm finished
[1638.74] Adam: Now i'm finished with it because i've had six flights and you've had six flights
[1641.7] Adam: So basically it's time for ebay now surely. Yeah, it's true. Yeah
[1645.78] Dom: Set it on
[1648.26] Jae: If you're down at hidden valley this weekend
[1650.9] Jae: Doom then we can check out the other app and i'll show you some of it
[1654.18] Jae: The actual quite good features for doing cinematography based stuff
[1658.98] Dom: Yeah, I was I was really disappointed with the point of interesting, but I must be using it wrong. I didn't like having to
[1665.46] Dom: Line myself up looking vertically down above my points before I could start my point of interest
[1670.82] Adam: No, that's not doing it wrong. That's how it makes you do it
[1673.54] Dom: Yeah, I don't like that because um
[1676.1] Dom: One of the things that had gone through my mind is if you stay say you're two three hundred meters back from a crowd
[1682.1] Dom: Gathered around something. I want to be able to mark the point of interest
[1686.64] Dom: somehow
[1688.82] Dom: Gps position myself directly over it because i can't fly over the crowd
[1693.62] Jack: First world problems, man
[1707.86] Jae: To be honest like they are very capable machines adam, it's a survival skill, mate. It's a survival
[1713.7] Adam: That's right
[1717.22] Dom: Yeah a couple of ESCs and a copy of clean flight
[1722.66] Jae: The excitements are only going to come from trying to program it if you're that way inclined
[1726.98] Jae: Yeah, but to be honest to get a good shot just from line of sight. That's that's that's what i use my for
[1732.42] Dom: Yeah, it's a bit jumpy. I I find it a bit jumpy
[1735.06] Dom: It's it's gonna take some practice on some some aspects, but more as a camera than as a
[1739.94] Dom: Uh, I think to fly. I don't think I even tried sport mode yet
[1743.94] Jae: Anyway, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna have to cut the shot
[1745.94] Jae: Maybe we should uh, you're gonna be uh seeing a lot probably even the mavic and uh next week two weeks, aren't you?
[1751.94] Jae: jim
[1752.98] Dom: As in commercial movie show is he coming up for that? Yeah, i'm sure there'll probably be somebody sporting them there
[1760.74] Jae: Otherwise this is going to turn into dom's
[1763.94] Jae: P4 help desk
[1766.18] Jack: No, no, no, that's fine
[1768.5] Jack: Um hidden valley this weekend. I don't know about that. Isn't it supposed to be raining saturday?
[1774.18] Jack: Never rains in hidden valley. It doesn't actually you're getting
[1779.22] Jack: How how else would tupper cord exist
[1782.02] Dom: Did anyone that that's just that we we have a little bit of a a mist laid on over now
[1787.38] Dom: And just to justify tupperware cords
[1790.5] Frank: Has anyone seen the other seatbelts really big guy has been making?
[1795.22] Frank: Uh with uh with their trying they're trying to start selling the racing stuff as well
[1802.74] Jae: Yeah, the essees isn't there? There's dji race
[1806.02] Frank: Sees motors and props
[1810.18] Jae: Killed them with fire. They have rated us have to make jack fly one
[1817.22] Jae: Dji snail is what it's called. It's made jack fly a dji race thing
[1821.46] Jae: Dji that I
[1824.26] Jae: Know tachyon is no and the esse is called tachyon or something
[1830.98] Frank: I don't know. It just says snail for everything here. So i'm missing. I think that might be the intense idea of a joke
[1837.22] Jae: No, no, it's on the dji website. It is actually on the dji website. You can buy the propulsion system. Yeah
[1843.06] Jae: Of dji.com
[1846.18] Jae: Snail come on adam. I thought you were like bad down to your dji gods
[1853.94] Adam: Oh my god, okay. No, well i've been visited for pound for a book fair book fairs are historic everything seems like it comes from the past
[1862.9] Dom: Book fair sounds like everything's gonna have 20p written on the inside cover your pencil
[1867.8] Dom: Oh, no, it's like it's about selling licenses. I know yeah
[1872.92] Jack: cream tea and bucks to kick
[1875.4] Jack: um
[1878.28] Jack: It's brookly efficient it's in germany, um gucci fbv says why snail though
[1885.32] Adam: It must be a joke
[1887.32] Jack: Are you mocking us?
[1888.92] Adam: How dare you take away our av out there? They are in chenzen and they're like, well tell us a word for something really fast
[1896.04] Adam: They're english friend
[1898.68] Adam: And it's like oh, yes snail definitely snail
[1902.2] Adam: And then looks it up and they're like nobody has copyrighted the word snail for something really fast
[1906.68] Adam: We should get onto this really quickly
[1910.04] Frank: Excellent. Oh my word. I actually genuinely think that dji have done all their market research on
[1917.16] Frank: The racing scene drugs because with the mavic and with the snail, I think they realize what their
[1924.2] Frank: uh reputation is with the racing scene and this is the
[1927.72] Frank: Best way of trying to overcome that that by doing it tongue in tongue in cheek
[1934.28] Frank: And they give themselves the best chance if they took themselves seriously
[1938.36] Frank: They'd just be laughed at whereas at least this way. No, we are still laughing
[1943.96] Jack: Yeah
[1947.0] Jack: When you get when you get half an hour on let drone out you're screwed
[1952.2] Jack: Do you know what I mean you like yeah, if I find any of you right among us
[1958.04] Jack: Secretly working for them. Adam. I'm looking at you
[1961.56] Jack: Feed them that inside knowledge
[1964.12] Jack: I I will personally crucify you
[1967.56] Dom: We'll have to get your sponsorship deal from them out
[1971.32] Dom: Just to warn you
[1973.24] Jae: Maybe they're behind the recent regulation
[1976.2] Jae: Yeah
[1978.36] Adam: All right
[1982.2] Dom: Let's create a regulation where we can stamp them out and have
[1990.28] Dom: A million pounds of difficulty to comply fly your dji racing's here
[1996.28] Adam: Oh my words. I just I think I think that um, we you know, I want this now. You're gonna have to film it
[2004.92] Jack: No
[2006.28] Jack: I'll kill it with fire
[2008.28] Jack: Um, right. Is that real? Is that picture real?
[2012.04] Jack: It's yeah
[2013.4] Frank: That is from the dji website. That is a picture of the dji snail. E. S. D
[2019.08] Frank: 4 s 30 amp
[2021.32] Frank: bldc
[2022.36] Frank: from the dji propulsion lab
[2024.92] Jack: Do they just like did they just look at the little bees?
[2028.76] Jack: And they were just like we need to think find things that live out in the garden snail. That'll do
[2035.64] Jack: You know what I mean? Like I
[2038.04] Jack: Wasp flights taken because of boris b. They they seem to like things that are outside in the garden
[2043.8] Jack: wasp
[2044.92] Dom: I I've had the ceo
[2048.92] Jae: I I don't think they're the single wives have been
[2051.56] Jae: What's next the dji badger?
[2058.6] Dom: Couldn't fly them in the countryside there give the cows tuberculosis
[2062.68] Dom: No, I know. Yeah
[2065.4] Adam: I've met the ceo there and the top marketing guy and especially the second he's really smart
[2071.16] Adam: You know, I they know what they're doing
[2073.16] Adam: So they're not a higher power
[2076.92] Adam: Yeah, no i'm saying that they've they've definitely really thought about this whereas, you know first you might think what I wonder what it stands for
[2085.32] Adam: Right, I think it is snail as in just snail sat nav
[2091.4] Frank: Right who wants to talk
[2095.08] Dom: Um integrated suggestions in the chat room people suggestions in the chat room, come on best suggestion
[2103.96] Dom: Spent's trip to the place of their dreams
[2107.08] Jack: Just just because the man who's thought it is let's drone out started in the first place do not listen to him
[2115.48] Jack: Thursday night show he kicked us off. We left this out in the cold
[2120.12] Jack: I'm blowing up music best place for you
[2125.16] Dom: Easi for the love of swear. That's a four-letter word
[2131.0] Adam: Yeah, um, oh, yeah, sorry earlier by the way, I I call
[2136.36] Jack: Maybe we need a swear jar
[2138.76] Dom: It would make sense if you swear to what cost is and I think easa is probably right at the top of that list
[2144.6] Jack: The thing is if we do beat that as a laugh
[2146.92] Jack: No one will have any idea what we're on about
[2148.92] Dom: Yeah, the one question i've asked the esa three times and they've just sidestepped each time is why they're essentially who's commissioned it
[2155.88] Dom: And why they've commissioned it
[2159.96] Frank: I can't think if it's the it's not the explanatory note, but there's some other document that's gone with it
[2165.4] Frank: uh
[2166.28] Frank: With the so what we're talking about here is the european aviation safety authorities prototype rules for unmanned aircraft
[2175.48] Frank: Which are pretty horrifying for anyone who does anything
[2180.6] Frank: Like what we do or breathe in and out
[2187.08] Dom: Or you know might enjoy having friends
[2191.0] Dom: prototype laws just that it's like let's have an argument for the sake of having an argument even though you're all happy with
[2195.96] Dom: the situation
[2197.4] Dom: Seems to be the current trend in politics at the moment
[2201.32] Frank: well happy with is
[2203.88] Frank: uh
[2204.68] Frank: or what the threat is that they've actually been looking at is uh issue of
[2210.68] Frank: low flying
[2212.76] Frank: commercial helicopter operations
[2215.56] Frank: Because particularly in mainland europe they have a lot of helicopters doing all sorts of things pulling cables across
[2221.48] Frank: large expanses of forest and things like that
[2224.76] Frank: and
[2225.88] Frank: Then having you know either commercial or recreational
[2230.6] Frank: drones
[2231.8] Frank: flying about and
[2234.04] Frank: Even if they're you know barely above tree level
[2238.52] Frank: The copter's not going to see the drone until it's too late and the drone operator isn't going to see the helicopter until it's too
[2245.08] Jae: So someone's watched casualty someone's such casualty over and over again
[2249.24] Adam: and one of the recommendations that doesn't appear anywhere is
[2253.16] Adam: Pilots of helicopters should look out of the windows, you know at stuff in front of them
[2260.2] Dom: Well, I suppose I suppose what i'm not what i'm not getting right is that's what
[2264.18] Dom: Regulation of the airspace is about and that's what the caa have successfully been doing in the uk for god knows how long
[2271.08] Jack: Yeah, what killing it?
[2274.04] Jack: And pulling the last remaining teeth out of the dead horse's head
[2279.96] Dom: Trying to try to harmonize that with a wider framework across europe
[2284.04] Dom: um
[2286.6] Dom: Because we haven't had many crashes in the last god knows how long
[2290.76] Adam: But all the caa do is implement stuff that comes from europe
[2294.52] Adam: So the european stuff, you know, it's everything that's entirely
[2299.48] Adam: well, they they have to regulate a lot of uk groups and traffic and that kind of thing, but
[2305.24] Adam: the overall idea is still very much from the top from the
[2309.64] Adam: You know to have as much harmonization as possible around the world. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get most their traffic
[2315.24] Adam: you know, so
[2317.0] Adam: but that hasn't the problem here is
[2320.04] Frank: model aircraft stuff because
[2322.04] Adam: No, the model aircraft stuff because everyone's gone into a total panic since
[2326.76] Adam: um
[2327.8] Adam: Since the phantom menace showed up
[2330.2] Adam: and
[2331.24] Adam: People realize quite how many
[2333.56] Adam: Things there could be you know in the sky and it's just it's just that it's just there are all these things that come with
[2338.84] Adam: The toys, you know, that's that's how they see it
[2342.12] Adam: Irritating toys getting in the way
[2344.6] Adam: And we need to do our best to control the toys
[2348.36] Adam: um
[2349.8] Adam: while also has this very secondary objective creating a framework for a new industry of
[2356.04] Adam: Commercial companies. Yeah
[2357.64] Jack: Yes, so so we don't get in the way lego's an irritating toy. Have you ever stepped on one of those little bricks?
[2363.48] Jack: That is the worst pain known to man. I don't care what they say about charred first
[2369.32] Jack: It is
[2370.68] Jack: horrific did the caa want to do anything about that don't they want to well join
[2375.54] Jack: Inconsiced with dyson so that they can hoover all the bits up. So the children can't play with them
[2381.16] Jack: because essentially that's what's happening with
[2383.46] Jack: dgi
[2384.84] Jack: And sorry today names dgi and amazon. Let's just get everything out the sky
[2391.24] Jack: Why don't we just ban land posts?
[2393.8] Adam: And light so on the side of the buildings stay under 300 feet the caa have no beef with them
[2400.28] Adam: Yeah, we need to put red lights at certain intervals. So no flies into it. Yeah
[2404.6] Jack: Yeah, you know, how about we get rid of the top of mountains and stuff so they can just speedily get across
[2412.68] Jack: You know
[2416.44] Jack: Just you know, so so dorothy can get her shoelaces a bit of a bad mood
[2423.8] Jack: Uh, where's tony? Where's my where's my vegan punching bag?
[2430.76] Jack: He's opting away for his own safety
[2434.36] Adam: How did he do it? Tony obviously knew about the mood in advance you planned ahead
[2439.64] Jack: You can mute me though. That's all you've got to do. I told you if I became unreasonable mute me
[2446.68] Jack: I gave you full permission
[2448.76] Adam: Andrew as you become unreasonable jack you become entertaining
[2459.74] Dom: The silence is ominous
[2463.74] Jae: I think i've worked out the regulatory thing
[2465.9] Jae: I think it's because can you imagine how many people are going to want to chase the amazon drones out of the sky?
[2470.62] Jae: With their fpv goggles on as they fly overhead or chasing down to cities with their phantoms
[2475.82] Jae: That's maybe the only reason they're doing it
[2477.9] Adam: Remember too that these regulations are put out with you know
[2481.98] Adam: Slightly ambitiously small numbers and stuff
[2485.02] Adam: As a way of getting a conversation going so it's not the end of the world yet
[2488.7] Adam: So long as people are sensible and respond by writing and saying things like well
[2493.02] Adam: This is a bad idea
[2494.62] Adam: And you know
[2495.02] Adam: This is a ridiculously small distance given what we've been perfectly safely doing up till this point
[2499.74] Adam: And you know give reasoned response to what is essentially they are reasonable people making reasonable plans
[2505.82] Adam: Is when people just sit around going wow my granddad voted for brexit. So, you know, it's fine
[2511.42] Adam: It's not going to affect me because you know, it will get harmonized
[2515.1] Dom: I think that's I think that's a wider issue though
[2516.94] Dom: I think if we just sit back and let tide after tide after tide of policy define every everything we do
[2523.1] Dom: What you mean we get raped in the ass? What we're doing is we're creating we're creating regulation
[2527.74] Dom: Which gives massive opportunity to monopolies that can afford to comply with that regulation
[2533.5] Dom: For the sake of it because it's not a problem today. So why do we need the regulation?
[2537.98] Dom: We're not crashing jumbo jets today. It's all hyperbole in the media
[2543.18] Adam: It's just the regulations not coming in for a few years. You can crash a jumbo jet right?
[2549.42] Dom: Why is it coming why is it coming in at all? That's the question
[2553.34] Dom: It's still
[2554.7] Dom: Baffles me the caa every dealing i've had with the ukc and caa they seem to sit again. What's the problem?
[2562.06] Dom: We're not complaining about your drone flying. They're flying
[2564.78] Dom: You know, you know what the law is be sensible and there's a real sense of common sense prevailing there
[2569.58] Dom: Whereas what we seem to be doing at the moment is heading into well, there aren't any laws
[2573.5] Dom: So we better write some down because it'll help insurance companies avoid their liabilities
[2578.46] Dom: And it'll mean that people who need to comply can jump through a few hoops and we can create an industry in
[2584.3] Dom: Making that compliance happen
[2586.38] Dom: and actually
[2589.26] Adam: What
[2590.06] Adam: That's sort of how the world works, isn't it? I mean that's
[2593.18] Dom: But it's not at the moment
[2594.14] Dom: We're sort of talking ourselves into more and more frameworks of policy and regulation which are just for the sake of it
[2599.34] Dom: It's like well, okay. It's not dealing with me
[2601.5] Dom: Let's just define a load of policy outside of me. So the responses we had from hidden valley were like well
[2607.42] Dom: We've made exemptions for clubs
[2610.22] Dom: So actually with my business hat on that's great for hidden valley
[2615.26] Dom: We've kind of created a safe harbor for people to fly and we put a fence around it and got it understood in the community
[2620.78] Dom: If regulations start meaning you can't fly anywhere else in the neighborhood. That's great with with that hat on but it's sad as well
[2628.54] Adam: It's not why
[2634.78] Dom: Yeah, exactly it's just gonna kill it
[2637.1] Frank: Because that's the other thing I thought it was a commercial airliner idea is a bit of a straw man
[2642.14] Frank: Because they're you know, they're happy with the fact that we're all you know, there are the rules already in place to say
[2648.46] Frank: you know for multiple reasons that you should never be
[2652.7] Frank: An airliner because you know, you shouldn't be that close to an airport. You shouldn't be that high you you know, you should be
[2659.5] Frank: Like i'm making sure that you're you're not conflicting with it and just drop out the air rather than getting away of it
[2665.9] Frank: but
[2666.94] Frank: It's the that's why they're saying it's the low flying light aircraft
[2671.42] Frank: That's the issue that they're trying to deal with
[2673.74] Frank: I completely agree that you know, the rules are not addressing that in unregulated air space
[2680.62] Dom: They could simply make you make it so simple by just putting a thousand foot floor for light aircraft. Yeah, there's a lot of
[2688.12] Frank: helicopter operations
[2693.02] Adam: A thousand foot is
[2694.78] Adam: problematic in that exactly
[2697.58] Adam: for various civil and stuff and for you know
[2701.26] Adam: Helicopters, which is something that happens even now
[2703.9] Dom: You could dictate when you're when you're accessing a helipad or when you're coming in for a landing, you know
[2708.22] Dom: Just like you do in class d airspace
[2710.7] Dom: But in open unregulated airspace if you that always surprised me that we can we have a ceiling on drone flight
[2716.54] Dom: But light aircraft don't have a floor. It's like well, why not?
[2719.9] Dom: Most aircraft don't want to go below a thousand feet most of the time
[2723.9] Jack: I don't know don't like they do have a floor. It's called the ground and they won't explode when they hit
[2730.3] Dom: Interesting they do have a noise floor
[2733.26] Dom: If you've got a glider can skim the ground
[2736.14] Dom: But a motor plane has like a certain distance depending on how noisy its motor is
[2740.86] Dom: You're creating a nuisance with noise
[2743.42] Dom: And so it's something like I don't know 26 decibels or whatever it is minus 26 decibels at at this distance or something
[2749.9] Adam: Unless of course commercial interests have um got in the way of that
[2753.1] Adam: So for example where I live they've just rejigged the flight parts
[2756.38] Adam: So london one of the southern london city routes goes straight over the house and you know, we've noticed a change in the noise
[2763.1] Adam: It's not I don't care, you know, it's just aviation, but people have been quite upset about it
[2770.7] Jack: Do you think there's a noise floor for let's throw now do you reckon they've ever tuned into us?
[2776.94] Jack: Different kind of noise jacket
[2778.94] Dom: I hope you know his floor here
[2782.14] Jack: Oh god, uh, right so about 10 db low ambient I think probably yeah
[2788.7] Jack: uh, uh, tony tony won't get affected by that
[2792.86] Frank: um, but any um, I think any
[2796.46] Frank: Uh, if we actually want them to have some rules that are sensible we need to work out a way where they can have their
[2803.26] Frank: uh, yeah helicopters dragging along power lines at
[2807.1] Frank: 10s of feet, uh above tree level
[2812.78] Frank: We
[2818.38] Adam: Isn't the trick yeah exactly not to be doing it in the same bit of air space
[2824.7] Frank: That's what we need to work out, you know, so this just is
[2828.7] Frank: Is
[2830.7] Frank: Physical actual limitations on altitude for drones and also transponders and all this other stuff
[2839.34] Adam: Yeah, these people are new so we can't trust them
[2842.7] Frank: Well, you know, they they have come up with what they think is reasonable and they've put it out and said
[2849.1] Frank: What is everyone else's like ideas on this? They're not saying this is what we're going to do. They're saying I know
[2854.54] Dom: I completely have a feedback. Well, they are but they are and in as much as they've said
[2859.02] Dom: We're going to implement some changes to regulations
[2862.3] Dom: And and and the question has to be asked. Well, who's saying they're not working?
[2867.58] Dom: I never heard of anything until the drone
[2870.22] Dom: Situation going it came along. I never heard of any great discussion about the air laws in the country not working
[2875.58] Dom: No, and I think the other the other thing is it's not self and i'm not convinced that they don't work
[2880.7] Adam: I know I don't know but they are thinking ahead as well. And you know
[2886.94] Adam: Remember they're being lobbied by organizations like amazon who want to fill the sky
[2892.46] Adam: So they're trying to prepare in advance for a situation where any sort of aircraft and more common
[2898.86] Adam: Or can be more common
[2902.24] Frank: I it's not yeah, I think that's really what it's working towards including
[2905.76] Frank: So sing this stuff up first and then probably a year or two later, they'll be introducing the autonomous
[2912.72] Frank: You know ways of flight as well
[2914.72] Frank: And they're just laying the groundwork getting everything into law so that then they can start building that legislation on top of it
[2920.64] Adam: Because don't forget we've got our flying multiple so far because there are hardly any of us
[2925.28] Dom: Well, I think I think I think that sort of regulation should arrive as there's problems rather than preempting them because I think it stifles
[2931.68] Dom: Innovation and it means that the only people who can access that top lane of compliance are people who can comply with
[2938.0] Dom: A regulatory framework, which has been dreamt up by their lobby over the two three years before they enter the market
[2944.56] Frank: I think that lots of people like that
[2947.2] Frank: They did that's the thing. It's like they're not allowed to do anything
[2950.96] Dom: right, but if you're going to open it if you're going to
[2953.6] Dom: If you're going to open that up and what you're saying is that something like easa's current prototype
[2958.56] Dom: Is all about laying the groundwork to open up that discussion
[2962.32] Dom: Then what they're really doing is creating a framework of regulation before anyone can try the market
[2968.0] Dom: yes, because
[2970.88] Dom: Everyone's looking at up. So then like this is trying to help and I don't think that I don't think they're regulating before something
[2975.28] Dom: A market exists you're interfering with the market before it even emerges. That's ridiculous
[2980.4] Dom: Let it emerge and react to that
[2983.52] Frank: Oh
[2987.12] Frank: So they're trying you know, they can't say whatever the hell go do what you like because that means people dying
[2993.84] Adam: You know if we have things exactly you're in a situation now where you can't do anything at all
[2998.96] Adam: So by opening up a framework, which is still you know
[3002.56] Adam: Not great
[3004.08] Adam: And has all sorts of problems
[3005.68] Adam: They're creating the potential for a market
[3007.84] Adam: But the thing is they care about the potential for the market for amazon
[3012.16] Adam: And so and the people who and and various companies so we lose out because they're taking the space away from us
[3018.32] Adam: Rather than civil aviation. You're never going to persuade most people like not drone enthusiasts
[3024.16] Adam: But the civil aviation doesn't deserve space to fly them on holiday to spain
[3028.8] Adam: although they might not want to go anymore after the referendum
[3032.32] Adam: but
[3033.28] Adam: You are going to be able to sway people that a few nerds in a field can give up their nerd fun times
[3039.84] Adam: So let them have their package delivered more easily
[3042.16] Adam: So what we need to do is stick up as the voice, you know
[3044.48] Adam: the the literate voice of people who can speak in whole sentences and say no we should be here because
[3051.36] Adam: Innovations come from us and our play as well as fun
[3056.08] Adam: So we need to be allowed to do stuff and then everyone hopefully can have a good time
[3061.28] Adam: And this is our opportunity that now is the time to do that. We are that voice
[3066.32] Dom: Adam trampi
[3070.24] Jack: Um, right the esa I was speaking to simon dale who was the original person who got the exemptions for fpv
[3078.0] Jack: Regarding a spotter. What article is that? Andrew?
[3082.4] Jack: Um, don't make me remember the number we know he knows it off by heart
[3087.6] Jack: If you make me remember that track you can at least remember that
[3093.04] Jack: Google it
[3094.16] Frank: Um, i've got it somewhere
[3096.88] Frank: Okay, uh printed dolphin a thing connected to my um drone bag. It's like
[3104.48] Dom: Um, it's got a seven in it. Yeah, isn't it? One seven seven
[3109.6] Jack: Yeah
[3112.56] Jack: All right, so yeah, so so the lord and master simon dale
[3118.48] Jack: um
[3119.2] Jack: Who's uh the head of first person view?
[3122.16] Jack: Um, he i've been i've been texting him
[3125.6] Jack: Well, I phoned him twice and then was like we've come on the show because we're talking about this. He said he's busy
[3131.12] Jack: And i've asked him a few questions. I said like, you know, uh, is there anything you want us to mention?
[3136.8] Jack: Is the partition pointless or do we need to just do the mp letter only? What language do we need to use?
[3144.08] Jack: um
[3144.96] Jack: You know because I was talking to
[3147.84] Jack: Lee painters 360 and he was like, you know, what language do we use? You know, do I write hi i'm lee and I like smarty
[3155.36] Jack: Please don't stop me flying my drone
[3158.24] Jack: And it's irrelevant. Yeah
[3161.2] Jack: All right. It's a joke
[3163.2] Jack: um
[3164.08] Jack: So anyway, I I asked him and he said like i'd use the english language smiley face
[3170.08] Jack: cheeky little shit
[3173.04] Adam: We should be using emojis these days
[3175.04] Jack: yeah, um
[3176.54] Jack: Esa understands model clubs they understand customers and consider them clueless
[3183.2] Jack: What they don't seem to
[3185.84] Jack: Somewhere in the middle we're all well into it
[3188.56] Jack: But not in a traditional club and we don't necessarily want to be in a cult. I mean club
[3193.84] Jack: uh, we
[3195.28] Jack: We need to make the esa away aware that the this that the
[3202.56] Jack: Safe hobby pilots exist outside the clubs and they shouldn't be legislated out of existence for no reason
[3211.36] Frank: BFA could actually be useful
[3214.48] Frank: for us in this case because
[3216.72] Frank: The bmfa have all their country members. So they have all their clubs, but they also have a load of
[3222.72] Frank: membership of people who are just
[3225.44] Frank: You know not affiliated to a club because they just have direct membership of the bmfa and they fly out in fields on their own
[3232.08] Frank: Just like we do
[3233.92] Frank: So I think you know, it would be well worth
[3238.16] Frank: Uh making sure that the bmfa know because they're in talks with the caa and the caa is in talk with the esa and
[3245.2] Frank: Everyone's all in rooms together
[3247.6] Frank: Sure, the bmfa know that country members don't want to lose their rights to fly either
[3254.72] Frank: then
[3255.68] Frank: You know that would pretty much guarantee that there's a niche carved out in whatever legislation happens
[3261.84] Frank: We're we're running out of time
[3264.72] Frank: Is hannah wrong?
[3266.96] Frank: I heard from hannah. I know she's ill this week
[3270.96] Frank: I don't know if she wants to go on the show ill i'm assuming not because I haven't heard anything
[3277.68] Adam: Um, I i'm gonna say i'm gonna stick with the nine o'clock tradition though personally because yes
[3283.84] Adam: I have a presentation tomorrow morning and I I said i'd only say hi for 10 minutes and well
[3289.36] Frank: Okay, look how well that went
[3291.68] Dom: Yeah
[3295.12] Frank: Be the castle for our podcast as well. I'll say podcast worlds. Thank you very much for listening
[3299.92] Adam: My only lovely podcast people your um, very sensible
[3303.34] Adam: Strategy and now enjoy the fun