=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 64 ===
Title: Richard Hpi Guy
Recorded: 2016-11-17
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): Richard
Total audience: 2,865
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2Iidi2Fms); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/309978307-letsdroneout-richard-hpi-guy.mp3)
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Chatting to Richard Hpi Guy About His experience of the hobby and an un biased view of the worlds drone event in Dubai as well as his recent trip to Korea for even more drone racing.

Guest: HPI GUY  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-N0_88kHd-Ht_E5eRZ2YQ
Co-Hoast: Tony https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTonstar1
Host: Jack https://www.youtube.com/user/brightontillifly

[0.66] Jack: Let's drone out
[27.07] Jack: Hello, and you should be listening to let's turn out every Thursday 8 p.m.
[33.67] Jack: Somewhere on the internet 8 p.m. Ish
[37.47] Jack: 8 p.m. It's always ish you have to put it yeah when we're done and we finished arguing Tony, right?
[43.55] Jack: I am joined by my man slave who's thankfully not in a bit late. Is it layer? Yeah, Tony. Hello
[51.03] Jack: Hello and our special guest
[53.79] Jack: HPI guy
[55.31] Jack: Hello
[56.83] Jack: Hello, how you doing, man? He's a little nervous
[62.43] Jack: For any of you who aren't in the know HPI is a brand called HPI racing
[68.83] Jack: I'm guessing you used to race cars
[73.07] Richard: RC cars not competitively like I do multi-rotors, but em
[77.31] Richard: Yeah, yeah, I used to use them a lot and spend a lot of money on them
[80.83] Jack: Yep, and you're a traitor you're to your first hobby. What do you say to yourself?
[90.31] Jack: Trouble is cars break all the time, don't know
[96.27] Richard: Well, I don't know the problem is any SC on the car that I last broke was 180 quid and as when I'm not doing that
[103.27] Richard: For one eight one. Yes. See just forget it. That's a lot of longer in it for one. Yes. See
[108.15] Jack: Yeah, that is that is a mental. What why I suppose the high current draw
[115.63] Jack: To be honest, I didn't know anything
[117.67] Richard: Things like that at the time if I did I was just bought a cheaper ESC
[120.87] Richard: But I was obviously wanted to replace it at the time with an a proper HPI one and there were 180 quid
[127.15] Richard: So yeah, forget that
[130.23] Tony: Mental, isn't it?
[131.79] Tony: What's the cheapest ESC you can get now for like in the UK? Probably
[136.99] Tony: Six or six and a half quid. Yes
[141.79] Jack: Yeah
[144.11] Jack: He's mental well mind you we have to buy four of them
[147.79] Jack: It's usually about a decent ESC is ten or a corner always by five. You should learn that by now
[155.47] Jack: Yeah
[158.35] Tony: You've got to buy five of everything five motors five ESCs it's just the thing
[164.91] Richard: Four motors everywhere. No, I never ever buy five motors and I should start doing that
[169.15] Richard: I should learn from my mistakes, but I don't learn
[172.75] Tony: You definitely should buy five
[176.83] Tony: I'm hopefully gonna order the new Emacs s cuz I love Emacs. I've got Emacs on all my quads
[184.07] Richard: I was supposed to bring some back with me and test them on the first bench
[187.55] Richard: Tonight, but I've totally forgot to bring them with me. So I'll do that next week instead. I'm here
[192.11] Tony: They're pulling about 13 50 on a dowel for five by four
[198.19] Richard: Well, uh two blade bad fry braid. Sorry
[202.67] Richard: Um, right. Okay. I I thought they were actually pulling a little bit less
[206.59] Richard: I seen someone do a thrust test and they were a bit less
[208.91] Richard: Um, so, you know, I like to do my own test though to make sure yeah, it's always best to do it on your own
[214.11] Tony: But I think this was uh engineer x who'd done it 13 i'm sure he posted it was dowel prop 13 50
[221.07] Jack: Shouldn't be listening to him
[225.31] Jack: We're friends with um quad mcfly you should be listening to him and him alone
[234.35] Tony: You can't just listen to one it's nice to have different opinions from different people, isn't it?
[238.67] Tony: So when hbi does his tests I will watch these as well
[243.71] Jack: Yeah consistent data though same thrust stand same esc same conditions
[249.71] Jack: It's hard though, isn't it?
[252.03] Jack: same same man cave
[255.63] Richard: Well, that's how all of mine are done
[257.07] Richard: I mean for the next one the only thing that's going to change for the first time ever is the battery i'm going to use the ac
[262.43] Richard: Lipo's because I used to use the nanotech 1300s
[265.63] Richard: Um, but they're a bit old now and people have moved on and using different batteries
[268.91] Richard: So i'll use an ac 1500 next time
[271.15] Richard: That's a good one
[272.03] Richard: They're gonna change in in my things in my test the esc stays the same
[276.43] Richard: You know the same bench. It's still sat there. It doesn't move it stays on that bench
[281.07] Richard: So it should be the same results or better or worse whatever
[284.59] Jack: How did you get into the hobby?
[287.15] Richard: um, so
[288.67] Richard: I was doing hbi cars
[290.59] Richard: And as I say, I broke the esc and it was too much money and I was like, I just I don't want to do that
[294.75] Richard: I want to hobby that's a little bit cheaper for break something on it
[297.47] Richard: Because every time you took one of these cars out you were breaking it and it was costing you money
[301.79] Richard: Uh, especially if you're running the nitro over the electric, um, you know that cost an absolute fortune. It was messy
[308.65] Richard: smelly
[310.11] Richard: Noisy and people were starting to not like me using it in the park
[314.27] Richard: So I wanted to do something else and I remember always watching. Um, there's a movie called fx
[319.31] Richard: I think it was it was about a guy's special effects and he was flying a small helicopter indoors
[324.43] Richard: And I was thought wow one helicopter
[326.75] Richard: So I started looking at helicopters and thinking okay, which one shall I get and that's when um,
[331.39] Richard: I heard about drones and things and there's the the gowie at the time
[335.39] Richard: And I thought oh, I'll get one of these gowie drones. They look amazing. And just as about to purchase it I heard about the phantom
[341.87] Richard: Uh phantom one being released
[343.95] Richard: So i've done a little bit of research on it and I was like, yeah, they they seem quite cool
[348.11] Richard: Uh quad copters, um ended up posting a little video of one hovering outside their shop
[353.15] Richard: Um, and I was like that's it. That's what I want
[355.95] Richard: So I got in touch with them and made sure I got the first one
[358.83] Richard: Uh that that was coming in I ordered it straight away
[361.55] Richard: And it was to the point that I was so excited
[363.39] Richard: I couldn't wait for the next day delivering that they said yeah, they're coming in they're on the way now
[367.23] Richard: And I was like i'll be outside your house. I'll be there to get it showing off
[370.99] Richard: And I got the first one in the uk and I was rushing home
[374.91] Richard: And then mrs
[375.71] Richard: Like we've got to go ikea i'm like no I want to get home and start doing videos with this thing
[379.71] Richard: And I remember sitting there in ikea
[381.23] Richard: She'd gone in and i'm opening up the box and just touching it all and playing with all this brand new drone
[386.27] Richard: And it was really really exciting. So I I got into it as well because um
[390.19] Richard: Well, I got into rc because of my leg
[392.03] Richard: I had a motorbike crash I used to like to ride motorbikes and then I needed a hobby I could do sitting down
[396.67] Richard: So remote controls was much easier for me than and safer
[400.43] Richard: Uh to do them, you know some of some of the other hobbies out there
[403.95] Richard: So that's why I got into the rc done the cars and then went to the to the drones
[407.55] Richard: Um, that's basically how I got into it really
[410.35] Jack: how long
[411.87] Jack: Before you got forward to the final one
[414.27] Richard: Not not really that long. No, no, it was it was it was quite long actually thinking about because
[419.47] Richard: It didn't have fpv on there. You just had to stick a gopro 2. I think it was on the bottom
[424.67] Richard: The yellow there was lots of issues
[426.99] Richard: So I was always doing work around to try and fix all the issues and then it was like well
[430.91] Richard: I want more range. What can I do? So it was how to modify or stick a new radio in there
[435.63] Richard: So I was modifying um putting futaba thj's in there
[438.99] Richard: So you could do a mile range and things and then it snowballed from there then because people were like
[442.91] Richard: Yeah, I want more range so they would watch the video and do it
[445.71] Richard: And then I think there's something else new to do and then start my first fpv experience
[450.67] Richard: uh, and and that was on real learning to fly fpv
[455.47] Richard: And it's just snowballed from there really
[458.35] Tony: It was just the same same as me that's exactly all I done
[462.75] Tony: Not that got that they got the phantom one fpv'd it
[467.39] Tony: What's all your stuff?
[469.71] Tony: Didn't do the futaba stuff couldn't afford it. But just um ended up finding out you could turn the
[475.79] Tony: Uh tx over on the phantom and turn that dial up. Yeah. Yeah on the back to give it more range
[482.59] Richard: It was in those days because there was all these little holes in the back and things and nobody knew it was like
[487.39] Richard: Oh, what if I do that? Oh, no, I did like ruin the the settings or something. So nobody
[493.47] Richard: Yeah, so it was really good times then
[496.91] Tony: It was I enjoyed that i've bought the phantom one phantom two and i've still got a phantom three
[502.11] Tony: Which I enjoy flying now. I haven't flown it for about a month and a half, but
[507.31] Tony: There's still such a good machine and now dejo brought out the uh
[511.71] Tony: Phantom four
[513.23] Tony: Is it pro?
[515.15] Richard: Yeah inspired to buy two and last month's the the mavic as well for the mavic today
[520.83] Richard: That's a really good little machine quite quite like it. But um, whether I need one or not, I don't know
[527.23] Jack: I I justine just she loves the mavic man. That's all that comes up
[533.95] Jack: in my light suggestions
[536.83] Jack: Yeah, yeah, she's all about that. I mean gopro karma that got recalled. How mental is that?
[544.43] Richard: Yeah, I think they called that karma because it was supposed to be karma against eji wasn't it
[549.31] Richard: Yeah, but that
[551.07] Tony: Just didn't work. Did it?
[552.75] Jack: That's a bit of shame
[554.91] Jack: Apparently the reports the the news on those that
[559.79] Jack: They just fall out the sky
[561.87] Jack: Oh
[562.75] Jack: That's that's the issue. Apparently that's the official
[566.27] Jack: By the way, it falls out of the sky
[569.71] Tony: Why don't they send these things out for testing?
[572.99] Richard: Yeah
[573.79] Richard: Well, did you I used to do that in the early days?
[575.95] Richard: They would send the machines out to dealers to people that knew what they were doing
[579.71] Richard: And then they would be to test them and and and give feedback
[583.71] Richard: but now they just do all their own thing and then send it to you know, uh,
[588.03] Tony: Someone like ijustine or casey nice that or casey or casey who just
[592.91] Jack: Flies over new york and doesn't give a monkeys. I know. I know. Um, I was trying not to mention him
[599.95] Jack: like
[600.99] Jack: Sorry, but I watch I watch his videos because you know, he's a interesting fun guy and everything and
[609.63] Jack: He gets so lucky such a jammy son of a bitch. Yeah
[614.27] Jack: I just am I allowed to say
[616.91] Jack: I got in trouble once, uh, like a little function after a wedding and I had a dog male dog and I went
[624.43] Jack: Maxi you son of a bitch and everyone was really horrified and then I went it is true
[634.11] Jack: Yeah, but son
[639.15] Jack: Yeah
[643.95] Jack: No, I had I had a message I am i'm slowly getting back to there of um
[647.87] Jack: Gary ken and he was just like I thought the show had finished. I thought you'd put your mouth
[653.07] Jack: You know your foot in your mouth again and like got in trouble and there was all heads were rolling
[658.83] Jack: You know like you've totally done something and there's no more show you've been cancelled and I was like no
[664.51] Jack: Uh good news. The editor has come back
[667.39] Tony: Good because we're behind like five episodes. So sorry people
[672.03] Tony: We are behind about six episodes, but they are on their way out to soundcloud, etc
[677.79] Jack: The good news is I fixed everything. I've got a pile of stuff that sticks
[681.79] Jack: All i've got to do is sit around and flash everything
[684.59] Jack: depending on what everyone wants
[687.23] Jack: flash
[688.51] Tony: So yeah, so what are you flying at a moment rich?
[691.55] Tony: What did you take to career? Do you want to talk about career?
[694.51] Richard: Yeah, I only fly one frame now and that's the x hover. Um r5 lx
[700.43] Richard: um, I got tired of switching between frames or having
[704.03] Richard: um
[704.51] Richard: Say three different frames when I go to a race and everyone feels different. Everyone has a slightly different setup
[709.87] Richard: Uh, it's like, you know btx and things like that. So I just went you know
[712.75] Richard: What i'm going to standardize in the whole fleet
[715.31] Richard: So i've got about five or six now of the x hovers
[718.59] Richard: uh, the only difference being is the motor kv
[722.11] Richard: so it depends on the course and the track and things then i'll switch with the
[725.39] Richard: Um the the props to match and use the the the the right machine
[730.27] Richard: And it's going to be best for that course really
[732.43] Richard: And then obviously if a deck one
[734.67] Richard: It's easier to just pick one up and take another one out of the box and get going
[738.51] Richard: And fix the other one during a bit of downtime
[741.55] Richard: Because sometimes at some races the turnaround can be quick. Sometimes it's quite quite long. So you've got time to fix stuff and that
[748.43] Richard: Um, I just I just don't like having to fix something
[751.23] Richard: Um out in you know in the pits and then the first chance you get to test it is in your next race
[756.67] Richard: Um, and and you know, you could you might not fix it, you know
[759.71] Richard: As well as you think you've fixed it and then you have a problem and in the end you've ruined that race
[764.27] Richard: That um gives me well, that makes me rage quick then I get really fed up of everything
[768.67] Richard: I just like want to go home
[770.27] Richard: So it's just easier for me to go right another quad
[772.99] Richard: I know it's the same take that fly that fix the other one in my in in the bare time
[777.31] Richard: So i'm not stressing yourself out
[779.71] Tony: It is stressful, isn't it? How do you feel about um, if if everything got standardized and everyone had to fly the same thing?
[787.95] Richard: Um, I I would be happy about that
[790.03] Richard: I've got no problem doing that at all
[792.35] Richard: If everyone had to say fly, you know qav with these motors and them escs and and that flight controller and a particular battery
[799.95] Richard: I'd be happy with that. I would
[802.35] Richard: It'd be very interesting to see as well the difference it makes between the pilots would sometimes start to you know
[808.35] Richard: Would you see someone else winning instead of luke and gary?
[811.55] Richard: um
[814.19] Richard: So it would be nice I like the way um
[816.83] Richard: Is it drl they make you don't they they make you use all the same quads
[821.87] Richard: You can set up the machine with the pids and rates that you want. So it flies the way you want people keep the
[827.31] Richard: Pidgable stuff all the same. I'd like that
[830.19] Tony: Yeah, I think it's a good idea because it's um, I mean it's got it's good and bad points, isn't it?
[834.75] Tony: I mean people who just starting who are good at flying and racing and who haven't got
[840.43] Tony: um
[841.39] Tony: Six quads to take with them. Yeah only one
[844.83] Tony: It's going to be better for them. I mean, is that the norm now to make six quads?
[849.87] Richard: It's starting to go that way. I mean the first time I seen it was uh, say about three three months ago, uh in chucheon in
[857.87] Richard: Korea the first time I went there who was it kim tang
[862.27] Richard: And johnny, I think it was uh, johnny fpv
[865.31] Richard: They opened up their boxes now the identical quads all just stacked in and I was like that's what I need to do
[870.75] Richard: I've not seen anyone doing it before so I didn't want to do it. I don't know. I don't know why I didn't want to do it
[876.99] Richard: But now yeah, i've done it to all my quads. It's it's the money, isn't it? Really?
[883.39] Richard: Totally I sold a lot of stuff
[884.75] Richard: I had a wall full of quads that I didn't fly that much and I just went you know what i'll get rid of all this
[889.71] Richard: And because it's just gonna get you know, it's gonna depreciate anyway
[893.23] Richard: Um and do it that way. I didn't actually have the money
[896.03] Richard: I just sold everything I had and then started from it from a scratch. That's that's that's the way to go. Yeah
[902.75] Jack: I'm just getting what?
[904.59] Jack: What are hpi knuckles knuckles?
[908.19] Jack: Yeah, hpi knuckles are 15 quid and made of cheese
[913.39] Richard: All right. So I think that's the bit where the um, the prop shaft goes down
[917.23] Richard: Uh to like a like a copper thing and they they do wear out
[921.55] Jack: Yeah, well done. Uh, when will the batteries catch up, uh to the demand?
[926.59] Jack: I mean the ant demand motors and eses are way out there batteries kind of on the
[932.35] Jack: Kind of hold back in my opinion
[937.47] Richard: Yeah
[940.11] Richard: Hard one to answer nobody really knows we need we
[942.19] Richard: We need a leap in technology. I thought graphene was going to be it, but it doesn't seem to be
[948.03] Jack: What about you?
[949.71] Jack: Don't you have a wall of quads to sell?
[953.39] Richard: He just said that and he sold them all yep sold them all and then bought all fresh
[958.19] Tony: Ah
[959.15] Tony: All fresh the same
[960.91] Jack: Yeah
[962.11] Jack: That's daniel x hover, isn't it man? What's it like getting parts though for that because he's out in the usa?
[968.51] Richard: Uh, I've got a good relationship with daniel. I've I've had a few of his quads in the past. Um
[973.23] Richard: And he's just a really nice guy. It's easy. It's easy to get stuff out there. Um, yeah, I don't have a problem at all
[980.11] Tony: Are you not getting stung with any?
[982.27] Tony: Bloody, uh, I just got stung with a 68 quid
[986.91] Tony: Import tax for bloody free dodos, which i bought
[991.79] Richard: Uh four months ago. Oh, no. Yeah, I get stoned all the time
[996.03] Richard: In fact, I just paid the fedex bill on another two then and what's really annoying is that uh, the charge was four pounds
[1002.03] Richard: And then after they put all their charges on it was up to 16 or 18 pounds. I can't remember
[1006.51] Tony: It's it fries my brain. It really does. I know my my bill now for my
[1014.03] Tony: Tax import tax it was more than the three boards i purchased from america. Yeah
[1020.91] Richard: Yeah, I think that's not
[1023.31] Jack: But it's just it's a it's a bug or anything. It's a joke. It is it's daylight robbery
[1029.71] Jack: Is it gonna get worse with brexit? Oh sure. Sure. Out comes the tin foil hat
[1036.43] Jack: Ah, just oh here we go
[1040.11] Tony: He's got his hat
[1043.15] Tony: If you uh want to wear this you've actually got the real flat earth on your hat
[1047.79] Jack: Yeah, look there's a little tin foil hat. It says flat earth on it
[1052.19] Jack: Fuck the lizard people are taking over. This is the segment of the show
[1056.91] Jack: Tony i've had some questions in about you and flat earth
[1060.59] Tony: No, i'll pull point all my stuff to eric dubai. Look at his youtube channel
[1066.51] Jack: Yeah, but it's no fun like that. So tony. How does it work?
[1070.43] Jack: Is the sun just the light bulb and is it swinging about that's from fab?
[1075.55] Tony: Do you really think that the earth?
[1078.43] Tony: is
[1080.01] Tony: Revolving at a thousand mile an hour traveling through space and time
[1084.59] Tony: And all everything sticks to it with the gravity and all that
[1089.95] Tony: The height you go it's still flat you put a level in a water it's flat flat flat
[1094.51] Tony: Look at eric dubai. It's flat. The earth is flat when you realize do your research
[1098.59] Tony: You will come back to me and go actually that guy's right
[1103.07] Jack: Guy this is the part of the show where we ignore the guests and argue between ourselves
[1108.61] Jack: Rich what do you think? What shape do you think the earth is?
[1112.93] Jack: Uh, I don't say oh bloke spear
[1116.61] Tony: He's flat rich. Look at when he when he go flying look at the mental don't listen to him
[1122.13] Tony: He's flat
[1123.97] Tony: anymore
[1126.05] Jack: How was uh, well no actually dubai
[1129.57] Jack: We don't think about that because I I run into you was it the gadget show?
[1134.61] Jack: I think it was
[1135.97] Jack: yeah, and you you gave me like a little bit of a little bit of a low down and and
[1141.57] Jack: Told us about the cameras and you had to keep the the the streaming cameras going and plugging in one battery before carry on
[1149.01] Richard: Yeah, yeah, that's right. So that was a bit stressful our normal pit stopper
[1152.77] Richard: In fact, we hadn't even practiced pit stop or anything
[1155.25] Richard: Anyway, so it was already stressful enough
[1156.77] Richard: But one mistake in that pit stop you would if you unplugged any power from the uh, the machine
[1162.77] Richard: Then the hd system would turn off and it would take about two minutes
[1165.97] Richard: Properly for it to turn back on and broadcast again
[1168.53] Richard: So they said if you do that if you unplug then you'll disqualify from the whole competition
[1172.61] Richard: So there was a there was a lot of stress there all of a sudden for just a change in a battery
[1177.57] Richard: and um
[1178.77] Richard: They said oh we will give you a connector
[1180.85] Richard: So when you land you can plug in what they called the house power into the quad
[1184.29] Richard: So there was power constantly on there so you can change your battery
[1187.41] Richard: But when we were um, these were left out in the rain and things
[1190.29] Richard: We had a really bad storm out there
[1191.65] Richard: But when we tried to plug it in it was really freaking the quads out
[1195.57] Richard: Um and the flight controllers. Yes, these are all doing crazy things when we plugged it in so we were like
[1200.05] Richard: This isn't safe, you know, um, we we don't like it
[1202.93] Richard: So we had two xt60s on there
[1205.57] Richard: So you could land plug nxt60 in and then quickly take the uh, the other one off because again
[1211.25] Richard: Putting that fresh battery in with the old battery would surge into that old battery and the battery that's just been used
[1217.81] Richard: And uh caused problems again with the the things like osd and and the flight controller again. So
[1223.65] Richard: Um, it was a little bit stressful. Just just because
[1226.85] Richard: You're the pit stop guy luke luke was was flying and if I mess up I ruin it for him
[1233.57] Richard: That was the scary thing. I didn't want to ruin it for it for anybody else. So me and uh, dominic quickly
[1238.61] Richard: Decided to team up and we would do it and talk
[1241.97] Richard: To each other whilst we were doing we had our procedure that we would do
[1245.17] Richard: Uh, just just just to stop any mistakes and two people being there, you know
[1248.61] Richard: Two people's better than one you can spot the if the other guy's about to make a mistake and so on
[1253.17] Richard: So it worked out really well
[1254.85] Richard: Um, I think our last pit stop
[1256.85] Richard: Was uh was maybe three seconds longer than than it should have been really
[1261.09] Richard: But we would just double check and everything and luke caught up and got back up in front anyway
[1266.29] Richard: So the pit stops were new they were quite good
[1269.41] Jack: Yeah, because didn't you go out there to try and apply?
[1273.09] Jack: and qualify
[1275.09] Richard: Well, we were told um before leaving. Yeah, you could go you could go and um have a go at qualifying and things
[1281.73] Richard: And when we got there, that wasn't the case. That wasn't the case at all. Unfortunately
[1285.17] Richard: I would have loved to have flown on the track and things but no, um, we did have an internal
[1290.21] Richard: Uh thing where all the guys were timed. In fact, I ended up running that so I didn't fly at all
[1296.05] Richard: When I was there. I just ended up helping out and being a tech and doing the timing and things
[1300.21] Richard: So we done a an internal, uh, we've done a track and then done an internal race
[1305.09] Richard: I was timing everybody we got all the fastest times and those were the guys that we then chose to go through to do the um
[1311.65] Richard: The indoor course with lit that was lit up with all the leds
[1314.77] Richard: Yeah
[1315.41] Richard: There was a few pilots that did go and um didn't get a chance to fly in the races
[1319.81] Richard: Uh themselves because they didn't make it through our own internal, um race, you know the times went good
[1326.61] Richard: um
[1327.49] Richard: but yeah
[1329.25] Jack: it was a funny lot of arguing and stuff I hear and
[1333.09] Tony: yeah, a lot of
[1336.45] Tony: We heard things about the money and like not getting paid on time and you had to front it all yourselves and things like that
[1344.21] Richard: yeah, yeah, well, um
[1346.69] Richard: We we didn't have to worry about too much about the money because that was all down to our manager
[1351.73] Richard: And they were sort of know that out. Um, and we were just going to you know, do what we could do and um
[1358.61] Richard: um, um, just try and um do what we could do on the money that we had and then just borrow money if we had to
[1364.69] Richard: And that's that that was the case. We had to borrow money
[1367.41] Richard: Um, richard richard helped us out because they changed the dates as well. Uh during the final I think it was
[1372.77] Richard: um
[1374.21] Richard: We would choose to fly out
[1376.29] Richard: And then they had to change everyone on our team
[1378.29] Richard: That's about all new flights forward and for you know
[1380.93] Richard: Like 24 hours later or 12 hours later and it costs like 20 odd grand just to do that for all of us
[1386.13] Richard: Wow, yeah richard paid for that out of his own cash at the time
[1389.89] Tony: To keep us all there. Oh, that's crazy
[1393.17] Richard: But yeah, the prize money everyone was waiting for as well
[1397.01] Richard: um
[1398.13] Tony: And and people are still waiting to get paid for it naughty naughty, isn't it?
[1402.77] Tony: We we keep hearing this
[1405.49] Tony: in america in what
[1409.33] Tony: We spoke to quite a lot of people and they keep saying that people
[1413.41] Tony: Keep giving it the talk and then they don't pay out and it's starting to really annoy everyone
[1419.89] Richard: Yeah, yeah. Well, there's there's going to be people out there that are going. Do you know what i'm going to
[1424.21] Richard: Be very serious about this. I'm going to train hard
[1426.61] Richard: I'm going to use my own money to get out here and i'm going to try and compete
[1429.73] Richard: Because then if I win the money that's going to sort me out for the rest of the year to be able to compete
[1435.25] Richard: and and live basically, uh, so when when you get the uh, the the guys that you know
[1440.21] Richard: The the people that run in the races not paying out quick enough then the the guys do struggle
[1446.69] Richard: It's not fair. Is it really? Yeah, so we went we went to korea
[1450.37] Richard: Uh, I came back on sunday night and we had a couple hundred quid between us
[1456.13] Richard: uh, because we went as a team, um myself, uh james balls and uh aaron
[1462.05] Richard: We only had a couple of quid between us and when we got to the hotel they said oh, it's going to be 300 000
[1466.85] Richard: And we were all looking at each other going we can't what we're going to do guys. That's all our money
[1473.97] Richard: No money to eat or anything and then we were like can't we get all in the same room?
[1477.65] Richard: They were like no, no, no, we were like no we can sleep on the floor. Give us another blanket
[1481.49] Richard: We were we were on a proper proper small budget
[1484.69] Richard: When we got out there
[1485.41] Richard: I mean we got off at the airport not knowing what bus to get because we
[1488.37] Richard: Needed to get on the bus for an hour and a half to get to the hotel
[1491.49] Richard: We didn't know what was going to happen. It all worked out. Well in the end and
[1494.69] Richard: Um jab and aaron share the bed together. I had a single bed to myself
[1499.01] Richard: We all got in the same room and um, it worked out
[1501.97] Richard: Well, um, but yeah
[1503.81] Richard: Some guys are doing it on a small budget and then some you've got guys doing it on a on a on a really big budget
[1508.93] Richard: Getting per diems getting decent money per day getting paid for being there
[1513.17] Richard: Yeah, so, um, I don't know. It's it's hard when you're not getting paid
[1517.25] Tony: It is
[1518.29] Tony: It does sound like a
[1520.53] Richard: Well, it's all good that you know, the thing is we we love doing what we're doing
[1524.21] Richard: So when you're so passionate about it, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all
[1527.65] Tony: I see you you do take sleeping with james bowls
[1531.57] Tony: on the chin
[1535.33] Richard: Yeah, i've got i've got some pictures of them they're not like i'm not allowed to share here
[1539.89] Richard: No, I'm lying in bed together
[1542.93] Tony: I think we should have one of them posted out. This is a sneaky one
[1546.85] Richard: Uh, see matthew's thing that how come none of that was sorted if you had sponsors to pay for you guys to go over there
[1551.97] Richard: so we did have a couple of sponsors to pay for us, um and
[1555.49] Richard: Uh, we were asking for the money, you know, it's we're about to leave. Can we have the money?
[1558.77] Richard: Can we get the money where you know, we're getting on the plane
[1560.85] Richard: It's literally getting on the plane and sponsors hadn't given given us money
[1564.05] Richard: We were hoping to get there and the money to be transferred and stuff like that and um, believe it or not
[1568.61] Richard: We got there and and I think it was one of the sponsors didn't even bother to reply to any of us after saying
[1573.17] Richard: They're going to pledge this money to us
[1575.49] Richard: And being in contact with us constantly
[1577.49] Richard: Yeah, they sent us nothing. So we were like wait, we're already short on funds and now they've dropped out
[1583.17] Richard: um
[1584.05] Richard: And we were we're not getting a lot of money from these sponsors at all. Um
[1589.17] Richard: Korea themselves the um, the korean it's actually the korean government paid for the flight which really helped
[1595.17] Richard: You know, that's a big expense when it's like 500 pounds each
[1598.53] Richard: So so, um, we only had a couple of hundred pounds
[1601.09] Richard: I mean when we're saying sponsors here you think oh they'll get this paid for they get that we had nothing
[1605.17] Richard: We had to wear our own t-shirts from from our last race and ibefa, which we've only got one t-shirt
[1610.37] Richard: Um, you know, we don't have multiple things. So
[1613.41] Richard: Our team's a very small team, but we we get by with what we've got and we seem to do. All right with it as well
[1619.65] Tony: It's nice that you you you're coming across and saying like that because people on the outside go
[1624.21] Tony: Oh, look at them. Look they're going out there, you know, and they've got this they've got that
[1628.45] Jack: cocaine they get
[1630.53] Jack: Sent to the hotel room while these two guys share in a single bed, you know
[1637.01] Jack: That's the hbi guy
[1640.53] Jack: Right off it
[1643.09] Richard: Honestly, I think some people will be surprised on on how little money we actually have to to do what we're doing
[1649.25] Richard: And you know the exploits these guys. Um
[1652.77] Richard: I've got plenty of money plenty of sponsors plenty of backing and plenty of help and experience
[1657.65] Richard: um
[1658.61] Richard: Where we're going out on our own just just just us free lads not knowing where we're going out
[1663.89] Richard: We're getting there and everything. It was a little more exciting. Um, and you know
[1668.61] Richard: It worked out really well and it's made it give us a lot of memories
[1672.77] Tony: Yeah
[1675.01] Tony: Aaron placed well, it was a good it was a track that I would have liked a big
[1680.21] Tony: big gates fast
[1682.53] Richard: Yeah, yeah
[1683.97] Richard: I really enjoyed it this time last time I went there I took um
[1687.17] Richard: The wrong quads, you know, they're all 2400 kv with
[1690.37] Richard: The wrong props and things and I was like the guy with the fastest quads going to win here on this this particular track
[1695.49] Richard: Because it was very open compared to the track we went on this time
[1698.69] Richard: Um, and sure enough that was the case
[1700.53] Richard: I mean I just left the throttle full open last time just kept on it kept going around and I just couldn't keep up with
[1705.25] Richard: Everyone even though I was on full throttle
[1707.41] Richard: This time um, I i'd learned from that mistake and as I say I have different quads different motors
[1711.65] Richard: So I could you know adjust for the track now
[1714.05] Richard: Um, so it made a real big difference. Um, and I always got kept getting put in the air races with you know, minchank him
[1721.25] Richard: zach
[1725.25] Richard: All the fast people were in my group and I was I looked at aaron
[1727.97] Richard: I was like I don't
[1729.17] Richard: Anyone in aaron's group was like aaron. Come on swap with me. He's like no. Nope. Nope. So yeah
[1735.49] Richard: He had an easy pass
[1737.89] Tony: Minching kim that that that kid is quick. How old is he?
[1742.13] Richard: Is he younger than banney? I think he's around the same age, isn't he?
[1746.29] Richard: Same age. Yeah. Yeah, he's taller than banney now
[1750.29] Tony: They're both bloody quick aren't they them too? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely
[1755.15] Richard: Ridiculously quick but the funny thing was um, I don't know what it was this time
[1759.49] Richard: I don't know if it's because I couldn't understand what everyone was saying
[1761.81] Richard: So I wasn't really stressed out, you know taking everything in I was just kind of sat there in the moment
[1766.45] Richard: Um, I actually really enjoyed it
[1768.45] Richard: Um, you know, it's just listen out for the beeps. All right
[1770.61] Richard: Look, it's time to go kind of thing where normally i'm like even it actually is i'm sat there going
[1774.77] Richard: Why am I doing this to myself? Because when i'm on the line I get
[1779.25] Richard: Yeah, I get it. It's just out
[1781.25] Richard: Yeah
[1782.05] Jack: I can I can tell you're stressed out. I'm always like is there anything I can do to like churn them out other than drugging
[1788.69] Jack: I'm like smoky. Have you got any of those painkiller things like, you know, like i'm
[1794.05] Jack: holding down
[1795.41] Tony: That's the same though. There's people who really look like they really enjoy it like banney
[1799.41] Tony: Just go doesn't race and then go lands. It goes. Oh, that was
[1802.93] Tony: Easy you lot
[1804.69] Tony: Yeah, and then like i'm there stressing. I was there the night before at the national stressing or better have a whiskey
[1811.01] Tony: See if I can do this
[1812.85] Tony: and like the build-up to it and then the
[1818.29] Tony: And then you crash on the first gate and you go, oh you idiot if I was flying with my mates
[1822.29] Tony: I'd be in the lead and all that lot and you yeah
[1825.97] Tony: it is a lot of
[1827.65] Tony: That stress really does do it really
[1831.01] Tony: Does it for me as well? I know exactly what you mean
[1833.89] Richard: Listening to that start up tune, you know the beep beep beep because when I start hearing that that's when my heart starts pumping
[1840.05] Richard: I'm like, oh my god, it's happening. It's about to happen. Ah
[1843.09] Richard: So yeah, I need to like condition myself to those beeps or something
[1846.37] Jack: Yeah, i'm gonna start playing them when I get a sleep. What's it called? Is it pavlers dog or something pavla pavla?
[1853.49] Jack: No pavla, you know, like you know
[1855.17] Jack: He did the experiment he brings bells and then feeds the dogs and the dogs he rings the bell and the dogs start salivating
[1862.85] Jack: Is it I can never remember what it's called
[1865.41] Jack: Maybe we should train you guys like that, you know, like the beeps go off and then you get to look at something nice
[1875.01] Tony: And then we we we get palpitations and I need to go for like we and all that
[1879.49] Richard: Yeah, yeah, no that's one thing i'm I definitely do do I have me nervous way i've got to run off and have it a quick
[1889.17] Richard: Oh, it's all right rich, yeah, no, no, no, it's just nerves just nerves. I'm it's not me
[1895.33] Jack: No, it can't all be like new tone
[1898.45] Jack: marking marking your prehistoric territory
[1901.33] Jack: Yeah, give me a little bit
[1903.81] Jack: I remember I was I was there like you were running about and someone crashed out and restarted the race
[1909.49] Jack: And I went and took your transponder off and I was like, here you go
[1912.93] Jack: It's like you got plenty of time and you ran back and forth before you actually went
[1917.33] Jack: Oh, actually i've got enough time to put it on and I was just like
[1921.65] Jack: Uh, you know i'm trying to help but you just wind yourself up a bit more. It's
[1926.69] Jack: You know, yeah
[1929.97] Tony: It's not it's not easy like them beeps will haunt me. Do you know that do you know when you die?
[1935.33] Tony: Do you know that bit where I say you hear or have flashbacks i'm gonna be
[1943.89] Jack: Gates i'm the worst at I just can never get through gates
[1947.97] Jack: I'm so bad of them unless i'm going the wrong way around a track. Then i'm great
[1953.25] Tony: Yeah, let's not talk about that
[1957.89] Jack: Um, oh god, what what else has been uh, what's happening? Do you want to mention the uh, tvs?
[1965.41] Jack: Um instagram we spoke about that earlier. Yeah. Yeah
[1971.33] Richard: I'm uh, well i'm probably starting to get a name for myself a rage quitting
[1975.01] Richard: I rage quit all the time if something's not going my way
[1977.81] Richard: It's getting thrown or something and that happens yeah out about it just to get me frustrations out. I'm not trying i'm not
[1984.69] Richard: Naturally nasty or anything, but you know, it's like we've been trying to work on something electronics for for so long
[1989.57] Richard: You spend hours on you're like, why is it not working? I've done nothing to it
[1993.81] Richard: And yeah with that happened with me with tvs with the power cube and I
[1998.37] Richard: I read a big way with my uh instagram rage quit review
[2003.01] Jack: Have you got a link for it man? I was wetting myself when you know, it's so funny
[2007.89] Jack: Like have you got is it hpi?
[2010.53] Jack: Or is it that hpi guy on insta? It's so funny. I remember seeing that
[2016.93] Jack: You know this uh tvs
[2018.93] Richard: Um, no, this is beast bs. This is bs. That's b. Yeah, and i'm just starting to throw in it and yeah, man
[2026.53] Richard: Win that through it that hard. There's still a dent in it and the metal things on the windows
[2030.13] Jack: Oh my word, like there's something else man. We've all been there though
[2034.93] Richard: But I feel like the only one that has these problems like for example, like these cmx motor problems i'm like
[2040.61] Richard: Look, this why this is brand new. Why is it not working? I've done nothing to it
[2044.37] Richard: They said they've updated it. It's new version blah blah blah and nobody else is having a problem
[2049.01] Richard: Why is it always me? So then I rage quit and post about it and start throwing things
[2053.57] Richard: If if anything man, it's funny. Everyone comes out the woodwork then starts messaging me going. Oh, i've got that problem
[2058.93] Richard: Yeah, i've got this i've got that and i'm like, well, why is nobody talking about it?
[2062.05] Richard: Why is everyone just still buying the crap?
[2064.13] Jack: Yeah
[2064.37] Jack: Well a lot of people are ashamed that they they break stuff all the time
[2068.29] Jack: I just seem to set light to things since someone puts a camera on me building something
[2073.97] Jack: Up it goes on in smoke
[2076.37] Richard: And then they start making gifts on it like it happens. I was actually live on facebook
[2082.69] Richard: Sitting over there. The guys were watching with me and I was like, all right, finally built it
[2086.53] Richard: Let's go and I plugged it in. It's right
[2088.77] Richard: They said oh, it's gonna blow up and I was like, yeah, whatever plugged it in and it blew up
[2093.01] Richard: If that's just part of what happens every day. I build quads every day
[2097.17] Richard: You know, I built one today and I was like, okay, i've powered it. Okay, if it's good, it's in stages, right?
[2101.33] Richard: Okay, i've got to arm it now. Let's hope it doesn't freak out. We've got the props on the right way
[2105.17] Richard: The motor's going the right way
[2107.01] Tony: It's just part of it. Even that's stressful, isn't it?
[2109.89] Richard: Yeah, you just have a brain fart and you'll forget something and you'll be outside, right?
[2113.41] Richard: Let's go pull it and rip itself apart because you forgot to turn one motor going the right way
[2118.05] Richard: So, you know, it's totally natural for us to smash these things up and no one should be afraid of that or even
[2123.33] Richard: Deny it because it's going to happen to everyone. It is going to happen to everyone
[2126.61] Tony: So rich you mentioned earlier that you were waiting outside
[2131.07] Tony: quadcopters.co.uk for your
[2134.85] Tony: Drone so you weren't working there at time because you weren't there now, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. No, I wasn't there
[2139.09] Richard: No, um, I was I was just talking about it. I didn't even have the machine the phantom one and I was just like
[2145.25] Richard: I've got nothing to do i'm sitting here exciting. Let's talk about it
[2148.45] Richard: So that's all I could do until I got it and then when they said yeah
[2151.41] Richard: The shipment's just arrived in the uk now we're waiting for it to be delivered and I was like
[2155.09] Richard: Well, i'm gonna there's the shipment. There's me. There's your house
[2158.77] Richard: I'm gonna go there and got there and I was like, right give it here
[2161.25] Richard: I'm not waiting till tomorrow next day delivery. I want it now. So yeah
[2166.21] Tony: How did you get the job through for them guys they just that's the he's enthusiastic let's employ him
[2172.77] Richard: I guess so something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was always up there then for for extras
[2176.53] Richard: Oh, I need a baccio. I'll need some props or they would have something in, you know
[2179.73] Richard: A video transmitter when I wanted to start doing fpv and things like that
[2183.49] Richard: So they although the parts I just thought well, I know these guys now i'm just going to keep going to them
[2187.49] Richard: And it just kind of went on from there and then they were like, well, we're getting busy
[2191.01] Richard: We need some help and you know what you're talking about. So
[2193.65] Richard: Come and help us and that's how well that's how it all began
[2197.41] Tony: So you so you're in another job full-time and then you just went with them full-time or did you start off?
[2204.13] Richard: because um, it was during the time when I was
[2207.49] Richard: Coming in and out of hospital because I had the motorbike crash
[2209.81] Richard: Uh, so I I couldn't actually go to work or anything because my normal work meant I had to be on my feet all the time
[2215.65] Richard: Well, if you're quad building you can sit down
[2217.89] Richard: And so yeah, that's how that's I've just rolled into that instead and you're still there now
[2222.85] Tony: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, haven't it cool. Cool. Jack. Have you still got your hat on? No, I'll put it back on
[2228.69] Jack: Why?
[2231.41] Jack: Anymore, I just like wearing the hat
[2233.97] Tony: Yeah, you know that symbol there is the um
[2237.49] Tony: symbol for
[2238.85] Tony: flat earth, don't you from the
[2240.93] Tony: government
[2241.97] Jack: I remember your first flip on a 350 qx quad loll tricky tube
[2248.05] Richard: Yeah, I remember that I was very nervous as well because um, it was a brand new quad
[2253.09] Richard: The uh, I was funny enough. I was looking at one of them today. We've got one up on the wall
[2257.09] Richard: um
[2257.73] Richard: And it's such an amazing flying machine
[2259.97] Richard: It would flip really quick and uh, yeah that I remember doing them and then trying flipping it in fpv and things
[2265.89] Richard: They were my first line of sight flips as well using that machine
[2269.01] Richard: Which was you know about the same size as a phantom as a 350 size
[2272.53] Jack: Uh machine that is crazy, man. I um, I I'll show you what i've been i've been working on. Hang on. I've uh
[2280.85] Jack: Gone back to back to my roots if you guys carry on
[2284.77] Tony: 450 stuff. All right, rick. I remember watching your
[2289.63] Tony: 1600 foot which is one mile no 1600 meter one mile flight with your tbs discovery
[2296.61] Tony: We used a 2.4 gig for video
[2301.73] Tony: This thing's massive. Now. Look at that. That is messy 450, isn't it?
[2306.53] Tony: That looks big. What size is that?
[2309.25] Jack: I have no idea and that means getting the ruler
[2312.85] Jack: it is roughly
[2315.01] Jack: 30 by that bolt and
[2318.69] Jack: Another 21 millimeters. Yeah
[2322.69] Jack: Um, so yeah
[2324.77] Jack: Oh
[2326.05] Jack: Yeah, don't worry. Um, yeah, I sweeten eight inch props
[2330.13] Jack: and
[2330.77] Jack: um
[2331.81] Jack: It's running. Uh
[2333.65] Jack: Inav because i'm getting a little bit bored of mini quads
[2339.01] Richard: Well, all of this goes in phases and I can see it happening. Uh, it's just like fashion
[2343.57] Richard: You know one thing comes in another thing goes and it comes back in again
[2346.61] Richard: It's going to happen with the the quads and stuff, you know, people are going back to wings and things and uh, including myself now
[2351.81] Richard: you know i've got
[2352.77] Richard: Uh two two wings and a big set. Um, yeah, what what have you got back there?
[2358.37] Jack: Also, are you still flying for taba you animal? Yeah. Yeah, of course
[2363.25] Richard: For taba all day every day nothing
[2366.37] Richard: This past forever
[2368.45] Richard: That's it. Yeah, I had to go
[2371.01] Richard: I was like, what is this? This is horrible
[2373.41] Richard: Yeah, plain wise. Uh, there's a tbs copy down there that I got the phone for free
[2378.37] Richard: So that's the only reason i'm using tbs
[2381.09] Tony: And what's your launch of that? It's very very good. It's good, wasn't it?
[2385.09] Richard: perfect launch
[2386.93] Jack: Straight into I can believe you if i was there I would have rugby tackled you bad lego and all
[2392.37] Jack: I just turned around at the camera like did that just happen?
[2395.33] Jack: I know
[2397.33] Jack: I didn't give up
[2399.01] Jack: meanwhile electronics
[2402.77] Jack: Yeah, it doesn't work that doesn't well one time tbs got it right. I've just got into wings
[2408.29] Tony: I've always always wanted to fly since I was a kid. I always wanted to fly. I never thought I could ever fly
[2414.05] Tony: Then like dji come out and I was like, oh, this is so good. It almost flies itself. I can do this
[2420.37] Tony: And now I like flew started flying an acro. I
[2425.09] Tony: Started flying a mini quad. I got someone to build me one
[2428.21] Tony: I like was nearly gave up so many times
[2431.41] Tony: And then got the hang of it with stabilise ace mode and then I got chatting to metal danny and he said go into the middle of
[2437.01] Tony: A field sit there go on acro
[2439.33] Tony: You'll love it when you get it and I like got through about 10 15 batteries and then loved it
[2444.05] Tony: And now like i'm on the same like i'm flying a wing now
[2447.57] Tony: uh
[2449.01] Tony: wing
[2450.53] Tony: Gabe robinson. He's like 16 year old kid. He's really good at flying works
[2456.13] Tony: All in flying and then I bought a tbs cafe because one of my mates did because it can hold a gopro for the footage as well
[2464.37] Tony: But i've got mine on a 2s setup
[2467.09] Tony: 5000 milliamp 2s set up. Okay. Yeah, mine's on 3s
[2470.85] Tony: It's just it's so light like I can fly like five mile an hour. Yeah, it's ridiculous
[2476.29] Richard: Apparently, it's not very good flying. Uh wing, uh, especially not for a beginner anyway
[2481.73] Richard: No, apparently not. Yeah. Well, i've just glued the front bit back on yesterday
[2487.25] Richard: Destroyed it. Um, but you know this this thing I don't know if it's just me
[2491.73] Richard: Uh, it just stalls all the time and there's no getting out of it
[2495.49] Jack: Really?
[2498.29] Richard: Shape of the foil
[2499.57] Richard: I think it's also because i'm used to flying mini quads
[2501.57] Richard: So I try and do a flip or a roll like a mini quad. I need to do it differently. Yeah
[2507.41] Jack: Yeah, also if you hang around with people who do fly fixed wing
[2511.81] Jack: they
[2512.93] Jack: rip
[2513.97] Jack: The granny out of you
[2515.33] Jack: They're just like you guys just dance on the throttle because we're like that all the time up down up down up down
[2521.25] Jack: And they're like look there's three modes to a throttle
[2525.17] Jack: Deepened out full out full out and then three quarters and mid nothing else
[2531.73] Jack: It's just those you might as well get
[2534.45] Jack: A sewing machine foot pedal as your throttle because it's just on or off and that's apparently that's how you fly
[2541.33] Tony: Like it or not, but uh, I really enjoy my wing. But what I like is the
[2546.05] Tony: Minutes flying. Yeah, the 20 minutes of sitting there
[2549.71] Tony: exploring like
[2551.09] Tony: But you know with a mini quad you're two minutes full whack round a track down
[2557.01] Tony: Yeah, change battery like now i'm out 15 minutes out one way 15 minutes back
[2563.09] Tony: I'm really really really enjoying it, but i'm really enjoying it when it's a proper calm day
[2568.37] Tony: Like no wind whatsoever. Well, you know them days when you just get it and it's just nothing
[2573.49] Richard: well, we planned a big a big trip and we got a whole bunch of us and we went up to
[2578.05] Richard: Ribble viaduct we thought yeah, we're gonna fly up there and we got there. We were like we can't even see it
[2583.57] Richard: um
[2584.61] Richard: We didn't think we were in the right place to be honest
[2587.09] Richard: eventually all the fog cleared and this massive viaduct appeared next door was like
[2591.81] Richard: fbb heaven, you know for the for these quad planes and then all the other lads are like
[2596.45] Richard: No, that's still a bit misty. I was like get this thing in the air 5.8
[2599.97] Richard: For the video just get it going and and and I was the only one that flew that day. It was really it was really good
[2605.25] Richard: I only risked the um, the the capi, uh, i've got an x6 there. I didn't really want to risk that
[2610.77] Richard: It's a totally different experience. Uh flying the the planes, um, and i'm glad that i've decided to do it
[2617.25] Richard: I was really worried about it because of flight controllers and things and things that i'm not um used to you know
[2622.93] Richard: i'm used to like nazas and
[2624.93] Richard: um, you know flight controllers for quads and i was like how the planes work and i was too scared to to do it and now i've
[2630.61] Jack: I've actually had to go. It's actually really easy. I um, because i'm
[2635.09] Jack: Have you got a flight a flight controller in your capi then not in the capi?
[2639.09] Richard: No, that's just you know, the radio straight to this kind of thing. But in the x6 there is a flight controller
[2645.09] Richard: um, you know for for return to home and and and for um,
[2649.49] Richard: I can't remember what it's called now where it levels itself basically in the air
[2652.93] Richard: So you don't have to stay on the sticks and stuff. Yeah, i'll put 1.2, uh video on it now
[2656.85] Richard: So i should be able to get some decent range out of the x6
[2660.05] Richard: The plan is to launch, you know where that that video you were talking about with the tbs where i fly the tbs across the the marshland
[2666.77] Richard: So that's that's that's england basically and right across all that marshland
[2670.85] Richard: There's a river and things and then it's north wales
[2672.77] Richard: So technically i'd be flying from from one country to another so i was thinking of doing that
[2677.33] Tony: That would be good
[2680.77] Tony: I'd definitely enjoy watching that because i'm just starting to get into long long distance stuff now
[2687.01] Tony: and i was thinking about buying the
[2689.41] Tony: Tbs stuff, but it's all so bloody dear
[2692.37] Jack: you need to
[2694.29] Tony: When when jack says oh look we can get a four watt
[2698.05] Tony: Thing off by you by where you can you know, don't tell people about that
[2702.29] Tony: I know we're we're experimenting
[2704.61] Jack: It's not gonna work. That's us. Look there's two reasons why i've built the the
[2711.15] Jack: Ghetto copter, um, it's from a
[2715.01] Jack: This um a flight test electro hub
[2718.13] Jack: Which is the only thing I can say is that it is a good it's got a good power distribution board
[2724.61] Jack: I don't know whether anyone remembers these hang on i've got one and I hate them
[2731.09] Jack: Hang on hang on. Hang on
[2733.25] Jack: Yeah, the abuse mark
[2735.65] Jack: power distribution boards for a
[2738.91] Jack: These are
[2741.87] Jack: Oh my word i'm gonna nail one to a plane
[2746.27] Jack: And fly it and then switch off the transmitter and let it just crash into wales
[2751.87] Jack: And let them and then all note it will just say
[2755.55] Jack: I don't know. It'll just say like I love trump. Please set fire to me or something. I don't know
[2761.23] Jack: like I just
[2765.15] Tony: How much that's changed in what six months from that to what we've got
[2769.15] Jack: Thought that was a good idea
[2772.43] Jack: I just honestly
[2775.23] Jack: Um, yeah, but you bought one. I bought one. I think I think someone gave it to me. Um, anyway, so yeah the inav as well
[2782.67] Jack: Uh, there's i've been watching a series. I can't remember the guy's name
[2787.07] Jack: But I can I can google it if anyone wants it and i'll mention it next week's show
[2791.31] Jack: but there's this guy and
[2793.31] Jack: Uh with inav it gives you the ability to set way points
[2797.15] Jack: And you can use them in a wing
[2799.95] Jack: As well, so you get the stealth stabilizing you've got gps hold
[2805.87] Jack: Where it kind of stays in its same position and you've got return to home and you've also can use a mission planner for um
[2813.71] Tony: Taking your way points the enjoyment out of flying though, doesn't it?
[2817.23] Tony: I mean, I like the fact that you could fly miles and then you can you can return to home but
[2823.87] Tony: I like the fun out of it. No, not necessarily
[2828.99] Jack: Yeah, like admittedly you'd still fly it on rate mode all the time and everything but
[2834.67] Jack: it's
[2835.79] Jack: you know, it's it's it's nice to have those features and use the self stabilization mode because
[2842.91] Jack: I don't know whether any of you guys have ever watched you remember old flight tests
[2846.67] Jack: There's there's a flight test gremlin and they fly out in a storm
[2851.47] Jack: I haven't seen that one. You haven't
[2854.03] Jack: Look for it, man. It's um
[2856.75] Jack: What is it a flight test? I haven't seen it. Yeah, check it out flight test gremlins the channel
[2861.07] Jack: It's their little hidden channel for ages and david and chad
[2865.55] Jack: Kappa go out and they the two the secret thing that they love doing is flying in a storm
[2871.79] Jack: And there's massive storm in a high over at the flight test house
[2874.83] Jack: They launch and they've got like I think it is a wing. I can't remember. No
[2879.71] Jack: Actually, it was a plane and they launch it and they say like they love like it's a bit of a challenge
[2884.99] Jack: But that's self stabilizing
[2887.31] Jack: You're able to use that to keep in the air for the storm. So that helps you
[2892.67] Jack: you know and like the
[2894.75] Jack: Yeah, you've got the the gps like uh waypoint and stuff, but that's that's a great thing for testing
[2903.31] Jack: You know testing things like
[2905.63] Jack: You know the edge of your range where you haven't got any more headroom left
[2910.27] Jack: And it snows and you can't get it back flick it on return to home comes back to you
[2916.35] Jack: And you're not looking for your plane
[2918.35] Jack: Do you know what you mean? You don't have to use anything. You can just do you go straight to pass through
[2922.19] Jack: Yes, and fly it normally
[2924.27] Jack: but instead of like amping up your system and all that's fine, um
[2930.19] Jack: you know with with
[2932.03] Jack: You know like more milliwatt or you know bigger antennas and and up in your power and that you can
[2938.99] Jack: Have it so that if you do get to the edge of the signal you can switch the return to home and position hold
[2945.47] Jack: For people like you who need people
[2948.67] Jack: like you tony
[2950.35] Jack: Um who need people to launch and stuff? How awesome would it be to be able to launch brad launch?
[2956.35] Jack: Uh get braddus to launch you you position hold so it flies around you
[2961.79] Jack: above your head and then you launch bradders
[2964.99] Jack: And then put your goggles on and then it's just handy stuff that you'll never
[2969.79] Jack: Have to use isn't you know, it's not like you get in your car and you're like, well, i've got a sunroof
[2975.07] Jack: I paid for this sunroof. I must use it
[2978.11] Jack: All the snow starts coming in, you know
[2982.19] Jack: You know, it's like it's there if you need it and it's quite fun
[2986.51] Jack: Trying to get this stuff to work as well and it's all in development
[2990.37] Tony: rich, what what what did you say you're going to use for 1.3 on video was that
[2996.13] Richard: Yeah, so i'll just stay both from civella zone or surveil zone for the first time and it was the 1.2 video transmitter and a receiver
[3004.13] Richard: Um, that's what all the lads that I fly with use
[3006.69] Richard: Um, so more of a post link and they seem to be getting decent range with it
[3010.13] Richard: Uh, so i've got it's uh 800 milliwatts as well
[3013.57] Richard: And so I should be able to get quite a decent range just on the standard stock whips
[3018.29] Richard: Um, they're using patches and all these funky kind of antennas as well, uh to increase the range
[3023.81] Richard: um
[3024.21] Richard: But I think for now the stock whips will do for me and i'll um
[3027.97] Richard: I'll have a look around and maybe get a patch or something to go with it
[3031.25] Tony: We were talking to ibc crazy and he was saying his
[3034.69] Tony: Um
[3035.89] Tony: Is it air screw is the best to have on a wing?
[3038.77] Tony: But that is from 5.8. I suppose so I don't know what it'd be on 1.3
[3043.81] Jack: Isn't 1.3 a military channel in this country?
[3048.69] Richard: I think I think it's called 1.3
[3050.69] Richard: But the it's actually it's it's it can go from lower than that
[3054.29] Richard: So it's like 1080 and stuff and it can go up to 1.2 and into 1.3
[3058.61] Richard: So it depends I thought the military was more uh, 3.3, wasn't it? Or that might be the police helicopter. I can't remember
[3066.45] Jack: Oh
[3067.73] Jack: I'm not too sure. Um
[3070.29] Jack: but
[3072.61] Jack: I'm in a way basically I say things and then I wait for daniel upton to be like no
[3077.73] Jack: You're an idiot and then he takes this
[3081.17] Jack: So I could just say anything you like like yeah tone. Yeah, uh flat
[3086.53] Jack: 15 minutes after the show
[3090.77] Jack: Yes, it is it's not flat you mental head case and not everyone's a lizard people
[3097.73] Jack: And you were killing and did not throw up green eggs in her drink
[3103.33] Tony: What's that he's holding
[3106.05] Richard: Uh, who was it someone asked?
[3108.77] Richard: Something beast coke coke beast 1985. I stiff it's a big antenna. So that's the size of the antenna. Uh, and that's a
[3116.13] Richard: 5.8 antenna next to it. So
[3119.49] Jack: Almost twice the the length really almost it looks like a 5 dbi 2.4
[3125.89] Jack: Rip rip the plastic thing off the shrilled
[3129.33] Jack: To see what's inside if you don't mind
[3132.29] Jack: Unless you don't want to break it
[3134.29] Tony: Don't break it rich
[3137.57] Jack: Hang on look you can just
[3142.21] Richard: See that's what's in 5.8. Okay. Um, yeah, I don't really want to do that on this
[3147.57] Tony: He's he hasn't plugged it anywhere yet. I've been used it yet
[3151.73] Jack: I'll break it soon enough. Don't worry. All right when you do let us know
[3156.37] Jack: We need to know what's inside
[3160.93] Jack: Have you ever flown a tricopter
[3163.09] Richard: You know what? No, I haven't now
[3167.89] Richard: I wanted to get one a long time ago in the early days when it was all kk2 boards and simon k
[3173.33] Richard: simon k escs
[3174.69] Richard: And you know
[3175.49] Richard: It was all hobby king stuff get as much hobby king stuff as you can and make something and tricopters were something
[3179.97] Richard: I did want to make but I never got around to there's nothing inside
[3183.81] Jack: It's flat. Oh, no, you're not
[3186.53] Jack: Matthew evans you're not hollow
[3188.85] Tony: Ertha are you there is actually aliens what live underneath us? Oh, oh my god
[3199.33] Tony: So are you going to the drone show are you flying or are you just
[3203.81] Tony: Turning up. Are you saying hello?
[3206.37] Richard: Yeah, i'll be going and i'll just look to my left and I look this is my conics
[3210.53] Richard: Quad and this is how it's current state
[3214.13] Richard: So you've got a
[3216.13] Tony: Cut of hours to get that going then
[3219.89] Jack: Yeah
[3221.89] Jack: Wait, what music or that? Do hi hpi make hammers now?
[3225.97] Jack: Is that what you're using?
[3233.01] Tony: Yeah, so you've got the digital
[3235.81] Tony: Okay
[3236.85] Richard: You got a digital race and an animal race. Yeah. Yeah, so i've entered myself into both. Um
[3242.37] Richard: Yeah, see what happens with that the problem i've got with the the conics at the moment
[3246.77] Richard: Well, it's not the conics. It's my goggles. My goggles are 16. No, they're not they're four by three and the conics is 16 by nine
[3252.77] Richard: So I get this weird wind
[3255.33] Richard: And I need to get used to it, but i've got into a bit of musics and they're going to send me out a headset
[3260.05] Richard: So i'm going to probably end up using that during the uh, the drone show digital race
[3265.57] Tony: Cool cool. Cool. We hopefully see you there. I think it's quite a few people going this year
[3270.69] Tony: Hopefully it'll be bigger than last year last year. It was big
[3273.89] Richard: Yeah. Yeah
[3274.37] Richard: well
[3275.25] Richard: We're thinking of doing we've been offered, you know to get the stands and stuff and have a stand for ourselves
[3280.21] Richard: I was offered a stand for myself and i was like, well what i'm gonna do is get there and wave at people
[3285.73] Richard: What we're probably gonna do is get some big long uh, like max
[3289.17] Richard: And we're gonna put all the props on the inside so we can pay man with some props and we can start some props out
[3293.57] Richard: of our max and then just walk
[3296.53] Jack: I like that. I look forward to seeing if I see you every time I bump into you you're gonna be like
[3302.13] Jack: Can I have a signature? You're gonna have to find new and interesting things to sign
[3307.49] Jack: Kk2 board, baby
[3311.25] Tony: First you have to take that for a signature
[3314.77] Tony: I know old
[3319.09] Tony: Nationals
[3320.77] Tony: What's up?
[3321.89] Tony: I said i've got everyone's signature on the first ever nationals
[3325.57] Jack: Did ya?
[3326.77] Tony: Yeah
[3327.73] Tony: But everyone jabs rich
[3330.53] Tony: Luke's that's crazy. I don't think darry was there. I know i raced um
[3335.33] Tony: Yeah, lad
[3339.25] Richard: Yeah, he was he's he was like that i've still got my quad front from the nationals last year
[3345.81] Richard: Which is it?
[3347.33] Jack: So you didn't sell all of them. Did you you liar?
[3350.37] Richard: B
[3351.65] Richard: It is a b. Yeah a bird's eye b
[3353.89] Richard: Six inch it's actually huge looking at it now. And I remember going there's no room in this to put a video transmitter and things
[3360.69] Jack: Yeah, oh my work those i've got my
[3364.53] Tony: I threw the gravity 280 which was six inch props as well and I was free. Yes
[3370.21] Richard: No way
[3372.21] Richard: I was on
[3374.61] Tony: So I was like how things how things change in like a year what in this hobby it changes every bloody
[3384.05] Richard: Yeah
[3388.05] Richard: That's a point yeah
[3392.05] Richard: All this angled motor mounts, you know t motor navigators
[3398.21] Tony: I'll put them on my qav 250
[3401.17] Richard: The screws aren't even big enough. It's like do they really fly this thing?
[3404.85] Jack: Like how did it fly surely?
[3407.17] Jack: That's probably how you hurt your leg booting that across the finish line
[3411.17] Richard: Oh, yeah, bl heli dysbl heli. Yes. He's boom 20 out. Oh, mate
[3418.13] Tony: n20
[3423.25] Jack: Mate i've got an sn20 sticker right next to the flatter sticker
[3429.01] Jack: Yeah
[3444.93] Jack: Right guys, thank you for listening and staying tuned
[3449.01] Jack: To let drone out. We unfortunately we have run out of time
[3453.49] Jack: Erwin said I want a big glider that he that vario summer project. I recommend a dlg. That's what I fancy
[3460.61] Jack: Discus launch glider. Yep, small accords are getting quite popular nowadays
[3465.41] Jack: uh
[3466.53] Jack: One that is from red bottom e max motors. I mean if they push those to ridiculous eus through
[3473.17] Jack: Through will should all go light on the grams
[3476.77] Jack: I'll be king lol right now
[3479.25] Jack: I've been running the wing with a ton of
[3482.13] Jack: With an on-off switch on the throttle
[3485.25] Jack: hpi
[3486.37] Jack: never flew rc before
[3490.4] Jack: um
[3491.92] Jack: Let's see what else
[3494.32] Jack: Uh, that's about it, man. You guys rock. Thank you crispy cargo
[3499.28] Jack: Uh gmach fpv sn20s. They were the days
[3502.72] Jack: They were the days. I've still got one of those cc3ds2 as well
[3507.28] Jack: koki beast
[3508.8] Jack: Triween nunchuck soldered to an arduino board with custom firmware. That's old school mate
[3516.62] Jack: Multi-we flip 32 right here somewhere in this box
[3522.16] Jack: I should I should send you a tricopter plate
[3525.36] Jack: rich
[3527.6] Tony: He gets sent whole whole things, uh, yeah, he's not gonna want just to run us a competition, man
[3534.88] UNKNOWN: I
[3536.24] Richard: Have well, I will do actually i've got some i've got some interesting things because i've been racing
[3540.48] Richard: I've not had a chance to to do a lot of reviews and and and they any give away anything
[3544.64] Richard: So I have got a few things that you know could potentially uh review and then and then send to people and things, you know
[3549.76] Richard: like this crazy
[3551.84] Richard: Ex aero craft i've done if anyone's seen these before
[3554.72] Richard: Well, i've seen one of them once all aluminium and i've got another one in the box there that I could
[3559.76] Richard: Uh give away
[3560.56] Richard: I actually really want to get this built
[3562.16] Richard: I just don't have the time because the way the battery fits on the back and things I think it's quite interesting because
[3566.4] Richard: It looks a bit like the krieger and the krieger had the battery on the bottom
[3569.36] Richard: And that made the the weight distribution really weird with that being on there
[3572.48] Richard: It's on the right on the center of gravity. So I think that could actually be quite good
[3576.08] Tony: Yeah, it does look interesting
[3579.52] Jack: Sounds like a plan. All right guys i'm gonna call it there. Thank you. Thank you rich for being on let's show now
[3585.6] Jack: No problem. Where can where can people find you if they want to subscribe?
[3589.76] Jack: Uh, just google hpa guy. You'll find me everywhere
[3592.88] Jack: Okay, and uh my faithful flat earther tony. What was your survey?
[3599.04] Jack: We are seeking mental psychiatric help
[3602.64] Jack: And i've been bright until I fly
[3605.28] Jack: Uh, yeah, you can find tony at tone star
[3608.48] Tony: The tone star one the tone star one. Thank you and uh, and and good night