=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 65 === Title: A Lets Drone Out Chat With Menace RC Recorded: 2016-11-24 Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Jae "Chipko" Guest(s): Cemal "Cem" Kucuk, Greg "Menace" Spencer, Lee "Painless360" Schofield Total audience: 3,426 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvC46_qGTes); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/313496722-letsdroneout-a-lets-drone-out-chat-with-menace-rc.mp3) ==================================== I'll do this in a sec [0.0] Jack: Hello, you may be or might be listening to another one of Let's Throw Now. [5.0] Jack: And I'm your host, Bright Until I Fly. [8.92] Jack: It's my reason that I am the reason that we are always late and Tony has [14.8] Jack: already started drinking, may I introduce my husband, Tony? [21.04] Jack: But he's an alcoholic. [22.8] Jack: If he has too many of them, he starts beating me. [25.16] Jack: That's why we can't live together. [27.2] Tony: I was ready at half seven and I just thought I'm starting drinking. [30.84] Tony: And I am going to swear to make your life a bit, a bit annoying [33.88] Tony: when you have to edit this. [36.2] Jack: Uh, also tonight we are once again joined by the whole reason why Let's [42.4] Jack: Throw Now is said like that, Jay. [45.04] Jack: Straight flight. [45.76] Jae: Yeah, it's good to be back. [46.64] Jae: I'm going to go the Australian way now. [48.6] Jae: No, no, it's sorry. [50.12] Jae: I've been a, it's been a few weeks where I've been away. [53.0] Jack: Jay has got a reason why he's, but I will still continue to bully him just [59.04] Jack: so he feels like no time has passed. [61.16] Jack: And the slightly strange, stranger, stranger, danger, the hairy guy sat in [67.36] Jack: the corner, always a good way to introduce your guests, but you may know [72.24] Jack: him as a bit of a rebel. [74.16] Tony: Cause he's a menace. [76.12] Jack: Hello. [77.32] Jack: Menace R.C. [78.8] Jack: Hi guys. [79.88] Jack: Hey, how's it going? [81.52] Jack: You're a Greg, you're a lot hairier than I expected. [85.0] Jack: Oh, really? [86.08] Jack: Yeah. [87.2] Jack: What is that? [89.36] Greg: Well, it's on top, not a lot on the chin. [93.6] Greg: I'm trying to make up for it. [95.36] Jack: How did you end up as menace? [97.32] Jack: Like, where did you guys come from? [99.0] Jack: All of a sudden, wham. [100.24] Jack: Check these out. [101.56] Jack: Little patch antennas. [102.72] Jack: Really good. [103.96] Jack: I won't expect him that where you've been hiding. [106.4] Tony: Which everyone's got. [108.36] Greg: Yeah. [108.72] Greg: Everyone's using them. [110.24] Greg: Yeah. [110.52] Greg: Um, I love the hobby. [113.0] Greg: And, um, basically I've, uh, building stuff on a budget and I was just [119.44] Greg: seeing all these great products that I just couldn't afford. [122.68] Greg: So I just started, um, making my own and, um, I'd make two or three and [128.68] Greg: hand them to a few friends and whatnot. [130.52] Greg: And they go, Hey, these are really good. [132.32] Greg: So then, um, they sort of say, well, you should make a few and sell a few. [136.8] Greg: So that's what I've done. [137.84] Greg: And, um, it just kind of built from there, really. [141.4] Greg: Well, were you making the patch on tennis with PCB and etching them? [145.04] Greg: Um, not etching. [146.32] Greg: I've got a CNC machine. [147.64] Greg: So I was getting some, um, double-sided copper clad board and then, um, just, [152.88] Greg: just rating the one side of the copper away and then profile cutting the, um, [158.44] Greg: the final thing and then assembling it, you know, solder on the SMA and so on. [162.36] Jack: Oh, Tony. [163.76] Jack: Uh, if you were wondering, uh, CNC stands for computer [167.4] Jack: nimical, something else. [168.84] Jack: I can't remember. [173.32] Jack: It's a little machine that goes, meh, meh, meh, with like a [176.04] Jack: dribble on the end of it. [177.84] Jack: Yeah. [178.2] Jack: I know you don't get out much, bless it. [180.44] Jack: It's too busy beating me. [184.48] Tony: You don't need a beating though. [187.8] Jack: I'd be busy. [188.6] Jack: That's what the ink on my face is all about. [191.8] Jack: Um, so how long have you been in the hobby, Greg? [194.96] Greg: Um, quite a number of years started out on the old KK 5.5. [201.0] Tony: Um, don't get him started. [206.52] Jae: How people have come there from a long way away, a long way away. [210.2] Jack: Oh no, the eyes too much. [211.8] Jack: It flies weird. [212.96] Jack: I don't know. [213.56] Jack: I can't tell if it's I or D anymore. [215.56] Jack: Oh dear. [216.52] Jae: I don't know. [216.8] Jae: When you had to use to adjust your pits with a potentiometer, it's [220.36] Jack: always fraught with danger. [222.2] Jack: Totally could handle that. [223.6] Jack: Do you know what I mean? [224.28] Jack: It's important. [225.16] Jack: Like now he's got to learn how to count. [227.32] Jack: Um, sorry, like this is let's try it out. [230.48] Jack: Have you ever listened to that show now? [231.88] Jack: It's just me and him marketing. [236.32] Jack: That's why we don't get many guests on the lightest [238.08] Jack: point that's coming on. [239.36] Greg: Well, they get scared, do they? [240.64] Greg: Yeah. [241.36] Jack: Uh, will you be at the UK drone show? [244.56] Greg: Um, yes. [245.68] Greg: Uh, at the show and, um, got a stand as well. [248.92] Greg: So yeah, so first time that we've ever done a stand or anything. [255.04] Greg: So, uh, yeah, hopefully it should, uh, be all right. [258.76] Greg: Do you know where you are and what number you are? [261.12] Greg: Um, Stan 62. [263.4] Tony: There you go, guys. [264.28] Tony: Stan 62 coming. [266.56] Tony: So I allow to, uh, minutes I'll seek. [270.68] Jack: Have, um, yeah, like I drone, uh, uh, they're, they're selling your staff. [275.56] Jack: That's how I kind of, [276.76] Jae: that's where all I, all I group around this sort of neck of the woods. [279.36] Jae: Got our patch antennas, the menace ones. [281.28] Jae: And we love them. [282.08] Jae: So, I mean, that's quite interesting. [284.04] Jae: Actually. [284.4] Jae: How have you find the expansion of you making them from just a few for friends? [288.92] Jae: How quick is it exploded to, you know, production and how wide [292.84] Jae: spread are you now getting these? [294.96] Greg: Um, it was, it was rather rapid, um, the expansion and, um, it was, um, obviously, [303.76] Greg: moving just from a few friends to more of a commercial, um, adventure. [308.2] Greg: And, uh, the started off initially selling them, uh, directly from, [313.72] Greg: from the menace website. [315.56] Greg: But I was finding that, um, I was spending all day just packing little [319.68] Greg: parcels and sending them off around the world. [322.56] Greg: So, um, at that point you started, um, getting in touch with a few [326.76] Greg: shops and things like that. [328.16] Greg: So, uh, so now I mean, they're in the US, Canada, Australia, [332.92] Greg: New Zealand, uh, various shops in Europe. [336.48] Jae: And big suppliers like get FPV in the US side of things. [339.6] Jae: That's, you know, making a mark, isn't it? [341.2] Jae: If you get your product there and it's UK design. [342.72] Jae: So it's a bonus all around really. [345.0] Greg: Yeah. [345.84] Greg: Very, very pleased when, um, when they decided to take some, that was, um, [350.12] Greg: that was quite major for us. [352.52] Jae: Well, it's interesting because I mean, I hadn't got a patch antenna and [355.76] Jae: I always wanted one, but like you, I mean, the cost of some of these things [358.84] Jae: for what they essentially are was quite extortionate. [362.32] Jae: Um, and so actually when it came across the minutes, which is my first one, [365.68] Jae: it was always, I was always surprised at how cheap, you know, affordable [368.36] Jae: it was to add to a system. [370.68] Jae: So yeah, well done. [372.96] Jae: So the patch in this, it's more antennas that are in the works or what's [378.08] Jack: some of your upcoming developments? [379.8] Jack: It's the pagoda one. [381.6] Jack: Uh, I don't know whether you call it that. [383.72] Tony: Yeah. [383.92] Tony: It's very weird looking, but it looks cool. [386.8] Jack: Um, NJ tech had one. [388.56] Jack: If you noticed NJ's latest video and Neil from iDrone posted a, uh, a little [397.24] Jack: image of one, it's two from what I can tell it's three PCBs and two of them [402.84] Jack: stuck together, one positive plane, one negative, as far as I know. [406.2] Jack: And the bottom one, the very bottom, the last smaller one says that it's [410.12] Jack: made by a guy called Greg. [411.4] Jack: Who is Greg? [413.72] Jack: It says it's made by Martin. [416.08] Greg: Um, yeah, Martin, uh, is a, uh, very clever Belgium guy. [421.32] Greg: He's, um, developed this, um, antenna technique with PCBs. [426.6] Greg: And, uh, yeah, it is pretty much exactly as you described there. [431.6] Greg: You've got an active PCB on the top. [433.8] Greg: Second one down is a ground plane. [435.84] Greg: And the third one down is like a baling to, um, stop the co-acts, [440.12] Greg: um, radiating and so on. [442.4] Jack: Uh, it's a choke, isn't it? [444.68] Greg: Yes. [445.04] Greg: Yeah, exactly. [445.84] Greg: Yeah. [446.6] Greg: And, um, yeah, so he, he basically came up with this, um, this PCB sort [452.44] Greg: of construction technique and, uh, we, well, I love to sort of experiment [458.4] Greg: and try things out. [459.36] Greg: So, uh, built a couple of these things up. [462.0] Greg: They work phenomenally well. [464.24] Greg: Um, so now we're, as menace, we're, um, going to be making them under [468.88] Greg: license from, um, from Martin. [471.8] Greg: And, um, we, we, um, literally in production right now, and, uh, it is [479.64] Greg: looking like we should have some in time for the, uh, for the drone show. [484.84] Jae: Excellent. [485.64] Jae: Cool. [485.84] Jack: Cool. [486.96] Jack: And sorry. [489.48] Jack: Oh, I would have loved to have seen a, um, radiation pattern for them. [493.4] Jack: I'm fascinated. [494.36] Jack: I love, well, can we, can we see that? [497.4] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [498.24] Greg: If you pop onto, uh, the menace website, um, we put a little bit of [503.32] Greg: information up about the antennas tonight, and there is a 3d radiation [507.76] Greg: plot on there as well. [509.52] Greg: Um, [511.96] Jae: I did have a little, we might not get any more out of Jack. [514.96] Jae: Now is this is, I'm Googling. [517.8] Jae: This is where it gets excited. [520.16] Jack: No, I'm always interested. [521.92] Jack: I'm always interested. [524.44] Jack: I tried to make my own, um, uh, crosshair antenna and, uh, uh, why I've [534.28] Jack: discovered I need a blowtorch because my soldering looks worse than Chris's on that. [541.44] Jack: That that's Chris. [543.32] Jack: What was his second name? [545.56] Tony: Just call him anti-grav. [547.24] Jack: Yeah. [547.52] Jack: Anti-grav. [548.4] Jack: Yeah. [549.16] Jack: He could have probably done a better job with this, with his teeth. [552.48] Tony: So go with your antenna that you've done the other day, your left hand up. [557.08] Jack: Oh, it's over there, man. [558.28] Jack: I can't, I, I told you, I can't get my trousers up. [561.84] Tony: You can't get out and walk over. [563.28] Tony: That's it. [564.32] Tony: Too far for you. [566.32] Jack: Yeah. [567.08] Jack: I know I, I had basically, I had to go at making a left hand. [572.88] Jack: Um, you know, uh, skew planer. [577.68] Jack: I'd be crazy just to not, not to sell or anything. [582.36] Greg: The wire, the wire one. [584.28] Greg: Yeah. [584.64] Jack: Just one of these. [586.68] Jack: Oh, yeah. [587.48] Jack: Yeah. [587.64] Jack: Just to practice and have a go and see what, you know, and, and appreciate. [592.08] Jack: And making antennas is really hard. [596.76] UNKNOWN: Yeah. [597.08] Greg: I would say, um, the wire, the wire antennas is very hard, um, because you [605.28] Greg: can make them, but because of the wires have got to be very precise, uh, [611.24] Greg: dimensions, that is the bit tolerance is. [615.72] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [617.84] Tony: And, um, so that's why when you crash one of the triumphs and you take that [626.4] Tony: plastic off and you bend any of that metal in there, I just don't work anymore. [632.8] Greg: Yeah, it's exactly that. [634.6] Greg: I mean, the, the wire obviously serves a purpose when it's in the correct [638.0] Greg: position, but since it's moved, um, yeah, you, you're reducing the gain and [642.8] Greg: everything in there, um, the, the new antennas that we're doing, um, with [648.56] Greg: the PCVs, obviously the wires don't move because they're, they're on the PCV. [654.84] Greg: So, um, you can crash and batter it and, um, it's all going to stay in place. [659.96] Greg: Yes. [661.64] Greg: Uh, we've, we've, um, told her, uh, an injection molded case for them. [668.08] Greg: And on, on the bit of information we've put in the many websites and I, you can [672.92] Greg: see some, uh, a picture of a few, um, in, in the cases. [677.64] Jack: I'm just trying to get Google, but I'm enjoying some chocolate milk. [681.96] Jack: I'm sorry. [683.24] Jack: Anyone listening on a podcast is one of his antennas with a case on it. [688.08] Tony: We have to be quiet. [690.68] Tony: Greg speaks, and then the video will go to him so everyone can see it. [696.76] Greg: You can see it's cut away on that picture. [698.64] Greg: So you can see the PCB and how they maintain it within the, within the case. [703.2] Tony: So these, these are more, more crash proof than, than quite a lot of stuff on the market. [710.84] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [712.16] Greg: I think, you know, the PCBs inside, um, with the conductors on, they're not [716.92] Greg: going to move and the case really is to just stop the PCBs moving. [721.28] Tony: Yeah. [721.6] Greg: Um, so yeah. [723.72] Tony: So even if you crack open that case, uh, and then patch it, put a lot of glue back [729.52] Tony: over it, hot glue it in, you're still going to be good to go on here. [733.12] Greg: Um, yes, you will be. [734.48] Greg: Um, the only thing you've got to watch if you're gluing the top PCB and the ground [738.84] Greg: PCB, if you get some glue between those or, um, a solid between those, then you, [743.76] Greg: you will upset the, um, the operation of it. [747.16] Tony: Okay. [747.56] Tony: Well, any solid whatsoever. [749.44] Greg: Um, yeah. [750.04] Greg: Cause it's not any conductive. [751.6] Greg: Yeah. [752.12] Greg: Yeah. [752.36] Greg: Conductive or even, even non-conductive because, um, they've all [756.04] Greg: got a dielectric coefficient, um, which can upset the, you know, the high [760.8] Greg: frequency, um, operation of the, uh, of the antenna there. [766.52] Jae: So, um, do you have any ideas of costs when they, uh, are finally [771.64] Jae: released or we can expect from you? [774.04] Greg: Um, yes, we've, we've, um, we've been working on price right now and, um, I [780.88] Greg: will, um, be putting it up on the website over the, over the next few days. [785.88] Greg: Um, but they are going to be, um, a lot less than some of the other sort [792.24] Greg: of high, high end stuff on the market. [795.0] Greg: So, um, yeah, that without giving you the final price, if that's [799.76] Jae: right, no, that's good to know. [806.64] Jack: You know, we'll wait. [808.04] Jack: I've got a question in from, uh, Paul, uh, bit, Martina, you know, um, [813.48] Jack: the, uh, BMS web, do you know those guys? [818.24] Jack: Oh, yes. [818.8] Jack: Yes. [819.52] Jack: Paul Thomas is son Thomas. [822.2] Jack: Um, he wants to know who stocks the antennas in Australia or please. [828.16] Jack: Can you stop stock them? [830.52] Jack: I will be able to tell you exactly. [834.28] Jack: Um, and if it's not impulse RC, why not? [840.12] Greg: Um, no, it's not then, uh, we next, next FPV, uh, got them in stock. [845.8] Jack: Okay. [846.32] Jack: No worries. [846.76] Jack: Cause he's got, Neil gave him a left hand. [850.4] Jack: So he wants to get a right hand. [852.2] Jack: You've already sold an antenna, but they're not even out yet live on let's [856.64] Jack: try it out, you're making money. [858.6] Jack: You thought you'd just be talking to these two idiots, I.e. [861.56] Jack: Me and Tony J's a bit fragile. [863.84] Jack: Now we would call him an idiot. [868.12] Jack: Yeah. [870.28] Jack: He's like, he just said, thank you by the way. [872.4] Jack: So, uh, I can give you his contact details if you want to get in touch. [876.44] Jack: Are they little drawings in the back on your wall? [879.36] Jack: Cause I've got some of Tony's child drawing. [882.8] Jack: They're in caves. [887.08] Greg: Um, there's a few drawings, ideas, scribbles, and just stick them on the wall. [897.0] Greg: Come back to him later. [898.92] Greg: Can you see anything? [899.92] Jack: Yeah. [901.04] Jack: I've wondered if there were any like sweet little kids drawings and that [904.24] Jack: I was like, Hey, he makes more than antennas or he makes stuff with his very own antenna. [909.16] Jae: So we're starting a business up with this, then do you still get to fly these days? [912.64] Jae: And if you do, what are you flying these? [914.28] Greg: I must admit the last. [915.96] Greg: Last sort of three weeks or so I've not had a chance to fly at all. [919.8] Greg: Um, we know it's the weather. [921.92] Jack: You ain't missing much. [925.84] Greg: But yeah, I've, I've got, um, various, various drones, um, sort of like, you [931.92] Greg: know, like FPV drains also got some, uh, sort of big rigs and stuff like that. [936.8] Greg: Um, none, none of them are, um, Branded ones is such cause I just cut cold frames [943.68] Greg: myself, so, um, we, we did have a little run of a two 50 straight two 20, um, [951.96] Greg: racer, uh, frame and, um, that was that really, really good little frame. [957.84] Greg: Nice, robust and so on. [960.12] Greg: So, um, but we, we've sold out of those at the moment and hoping to get [964.08] Greg: some more back in the scene. [965.88] Jack: Well, it was at your own frame. [967.92] Jack: Um, yeah. [968.48] Jack: Yeah. [969.32] Jack: Hey, uh, you know, like I'm surprised you. [972.24] Jack: Yeah. [972.52] Jack: Cause that was going to be one of my questions written down on this fake bit [975.84] Jack: of paper, as if I'm not organized that said, you know, will you be releasing [979.84] Jack: anything else other than and generous? [981.88] Jack: Cause I know you have a PCB and so forth, so forth, but yeah, you've [986.16] Jack: totally killed that one. [987.12] Jack: So, uh, Tony, uh, if you want to continue to annoy me, carry on. [991.28] Jae: But isn't there a, an Accra frame that looks much smaller than it might be as [995.52] Jae: in, as, uh, as opposed to the FPV one, which is the traditional, uh, two 20. [1000.48] Jae: There's one on your website, the Menace Accra. [1002.72] Greg: Oh yes. [1003.4] Jack: The Accra one that, um, that, uh, hasn't, I don't even think I'm on the right [1008.76] Jack: website because I go to products in Vader antenna. [1012.32] Jack: Is it, is it an invader antenna? [1014.52] Jack: The invader is, have you, have you spent minutes right again, Jack? [1017.64] Jack: Yeah. [1017.92] Jack: Oh yeah. [1018.2] Jack: I know. [1019.8] Greg: You're in the right place. [1020.76] Greg: Yeah. [1021.16] Greg: There's, um, under the products, there's the, um, the FPV frame and we've [1024.72] Greg: got a little Accra frame as well. [1026.72] Jack: Oh, so you've called it the Raptor, not the Pagoda. [1029.32] Greg: And there's, we've, um, we decided to give it a different name because [1033.16] Tony: obviously stick it in the case and everything is that what you just called [1038.16] Tony: it, Jack, well, Pagoda. [1040.32] Tony: Yeah. [1040.84] Greg: Yeah. [1042.28] Greg: Well, Pagoda is the actual, um, the name that Martin's given to the, the, the [1048.44] Greg: construction technique of putting the PCBs on the cracks and so on. [1052.84] Greg: Um, but we, we thought as we were sticking it into a case and everything, um, you [1057.6] Greg: need to give it a cooler name. [1059.56] Greg: So we thought Raptor would be the way to go. [1063.16] Tony: That sounds cool. [1065.0] Tony: Yeah. [1066.2] Tony: So what advantage is it got over, uh, any other antenna that people [1070.04] Tony: use it at the moment? [1072.0] Tony: Okay. [1072.36] Greg: So, um, uh, it's, it's, it's small. [1076.6] Greg: Um, that's the first thing. [1078.44] Greg: Um, the, the, the diameter of the cases, I think it's 25 millimeters. [1084.68] Greg: Um, the height is about 85 millimeters. [1088.16] Greg: So first thing is it's quite small. [1091.6] Greg: And, um, second of all, um, for the gain on it, it's not the highest gain. [1097.16] Greg: It's about 1.09 dB. [1100.28] Greg: Um, but the way, um, it operates, it's got a higher, higher efficiency of about [1107.08] Greg: 92%, now a lot of other, um, typical antennas, uh, they, they, they can run [1114.6] Greg: anywhere from 20 to 70%, um, efficiency. [1119.28] Greg: And there are other products coming out with high, high efficiencies, but, um, [1126.12] Greg: the, the, the Raptor is yet 92%. [1130.68] Greg: Then what, what we're finding, what this gives you is if you, um, [1136.76] Greg: compare it with say a higher gain, uh, antenna, um, because it's the high [1144.08] Greg: efficiency, you'll get in a, you'll get in a received signal, which is, you [1149.2] Greg: know, about 20% higher than other antennas that we've compared it to. [1154.48] Greg: Um, so I would say that is probably one of the key things of, of this antenna is [1160.0] Greg: obviously the efficiency and, um, the other sort of major thing on the antenna [1166.76] Greg: has got an extremely high actual ratio, which seems to be a bit of the buzzword [1172.08] Greg: at the moment in antenna land. [1175.76] Greg: So, uh, yeah, high actual ratio on this one. [1178.4] Greg: And, um, which means it's going to be great if you're racing with mates and [1183.36] Greg: you get a few on the right hand, a few on the left hand, and you're going to [1187.48] Greg: get as much separation as possible. [1189.4] Jack: Um, you know, [1193.2] Jack: what you're trying to pick up, you know, the shapes completely different. [1198.28] Jack: So you get less DBI, like tiny amount on the other polarization. [1203.2] Jack: If you're trying to listen to it. [1205.12] Greg: Yeah, exactly that. [1206.16] Greg: Exactly that. [1206.84] Tony: Yes. [1209.56] Tony: Are you going to do any, um, stubby? [1212.48] Tony: Excuse me. [1212.96] Jack: Stubby ones like small, Tony feels inadequate. [1217.68] Jack: When, with your usual, [1221.6] Tony: I've just found the Fox is stubby antennas. [1225.24] Tony: Very, very useful and less prone to breaking. [1229.16] Greg: So is he on the jacket and coat? [1231.92] Greg: Oh, I saw that's a, that's a secret formula. [1235.28] Jack: That is, is it Wiltshire moonshine? [1240.2] Greg: It could be. [1242.12] Greg: It's a elderberry gin. [1243.84] Greg: Should we say that? [1245.0] Tony: Yeah, that's why I like that. [1247.48] Jack: Yeah. [1247.68] Jack: Tony will have that when you stick your antennas. [1252.68] Jack: Yeah. [1252.96] Jack: That's a small one. [1254.0] Greg: A lot of time. [1254.92] Greg: Um, yeah, we, uh, we've gone with, um, for the first production batch with the [1260.16] Greg: dimensions as we are, and, um, we are actually looking at a stubby version of [1265.48] Greg: this as well, because I think when you, when you make them on the top plate, [1270.48] Greg: um, even though it's only 85 mil, it's still going to stick up quite a way and, [1275.76] Greg: um, it's going to get caught in gates and things like that. [1278.12] Greg: So yeah, a stubby is what, what we're looking at and basically, um, reducing [1283.68] Greg: the length of co-acts, um, we're doing some tests to make sure that it doesn't [1288.6] Greg: impair the operation of the actual antenna. [1291.72] Greg: So that will be some of it's coming at, you know, shortly after the launch. [1299.44] Tony: Yeah. [1299.6] Tony: Cause I found the little stubby is really good for racing because you're not [1303.16] Tony: going far anyway, you're just around the track in front of you. [1307.56] Tony: So, you know, and they're better in crashes. [1311.88] Tony: They don't bend and snap as much as other antennas. [1316.08] Tony: Just don't crash. [1318.32] Jack: Sorry, Jamie, not as good as you can't all be friends with NJ tech. [1325.28] Jack: He doesn't crash. [1326.08] Jack: Yeah, fair enough. [1327.36] Jack: What made you go with this coaxial cable? [1330.6] Jack: The RG, I don't know who knows 50. [1333.36] Jack: Um, I made that up. [1334.96] Jack: Don't Google that. [1336.36] Jack: Uh, you know, cause obviously you've got a lot of weight there. [1339.52] Jack: It's a very rigid cable. [1341.88] Jack: Yeah, absolutely. [1342.96] Greg: Um, well, the, the, the design stems from Martin and, um, the RG 402 [1349.0] Greg: is, um, been used because it is basically it's a rigid, um, cable so that when [1356.12] Greg: you make the PCBs, um, you can actually solder them to the coaxial cable and [1361.76] Greg: you can keep them parallel to each other, which is, um, important, um, to [1366.68] Greg: get the characteristics of the antenna. [1368.88] Greg: So, um, that was, that was the, um, that that's the reason for the RG 402, [1376.32] Greg: you know, the third cable there. [1378.72] Jack: So you've got, you've no matter what, you got to keep those parallel. [1382.24] Jack: Those PCBs. [1383.76] Jack: Yes. [1384.32] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [1385.44] Greg: Um, especially the, you know, the active and the grand ones, they've got [1388.68] Greg: parallel and, um, the, the smaller one, um, the Bayland one that can, um, [1396.88] Greg: beat slightly out of alignment, but you know, the top two, it's [1400.0] Greg: important that they're in line. [1402.36] Jack: Okay, cool. [1404.04] Jack: I, um, you know, I, I was just wondering, like, you know, cause obviously it's, [1408.16] Jack: it's, it's like a white, really big white thing. [1411.64] Jack: You can't, can't do, you know, like the, um, video area systems, the, the [1416.28] Jack: race spec ones where they twist them and put a cable tie, like loop them in [1421.24] Jack: order to keep the, um, antenna length. [1424.72] Jack: So I wondered, you know, [1428.12] Tony: are they going to be in field with any kind of foam or are they going to be [1431.72] Tony: hollow, like the antenna you just shown? [1435.04] Greg: Um, they're actually inside. [1437.4] Greg: It is going to be, um, airspace. [1439.12] Greg: So yes, hollow. [1440.16] Greg: Um, however, um, the PCBs are bonded, um, to the, to the actual case. [1447.52] Greg: So, um, yeah, so what, you know, we could have filled this up with something, but [1452.48] Greg: then it would change the characteristics and we'd have to look at all the dimensions [1455.68] Greg: and change, change everything. [1457.76] Greg: But, um, yeah, so bonded, they're bonded to the case. [1460.48] Greg: So there's, there's not really a need then to, um, fill them up completely [1463.96] Greg: with a, with a foam or something like that. [1466.2] Jack: Have you met Tony? [1467.64] Jack: Tony's like owning a washing machine, filling it full of hammers and then [1472.16] Jack: using dynamite for, uh, fabric softener. [1475.48] Jack: You know, Tony will find a way of destroying that, you know, if you, if you [1479.48] Jack: ever think you made something indestructible, just Tony, if you need [1483.48] Jack: it, yeah, just, he destroyed, he's got two modes fly fast and destroy. [1489.52] Jack: Um, zero FPV asks, do you ship to Germany or is there someone [1494.56] Jack: who sells them in Germany? [1496.16] Greg: A company called flying machines in Germany that, that will be stocking these. [1501.08] Jack: Okay. [1501.64] Jack: Uh, just having an alert. [1503.0] Jack: What do they compare to? [1504.64] Jack: No, that's it. [1505.44] Jack: Cause I, I had to go with a, um, blue beam from video area systems and, uh, um, [1512.52] Jack: cause I don't know any of your, your antennas. [1515.04] Jack: I don't, you know, even though they are priced reasonable, um, they're [1518.96] Jack: not big issue price reasonable. [1521.6] Jack: So I won't have, um, yeah. [1524.64] Jack: So, uh, yeah, cause I'm a tramp. [1527.36] Jack: Uh, thanks to someone. [1528.8] Jack: Uh, yeah. [1529.36] Jack: So yeah, I had to go through a barn, got about 600 meters. [1536.84] Jack: So yeah, I was well impressed. [1539.32] Jack: The little patch antenna and like, I'm glad you're not a big it. [1543.2] Jack: We've actually got the left hand. [1544.68] Jack: Cause I was having a go at you rather than go on your website. [1547.44] Jack: I just, just attack, you know, rather than like actually do some research. [1552.4] Jack: That's what, that's what let's try it out. [1553.88] Jack: It's not about like, if we want to know something, get them on. [1556.48] Jack: I want to know, yeah, that's it. [1560.8] Jack: Hot grills. [1561.72] Jack: We get it. [1562.68] Jack: Yeah. [1562.88] Jack: We put that up on Google and, uh, yeah, that, that wasn't an ad safe word. [1567.84] Jack: Cause I spelt grills wrong. [1569.8] Jack: Um, if you can get that joke, hot girls, Tony, hot girls. [1575.44] Jack: Uh, yeah. [1577.12] Jack: So what are you going to be, what are you going to be doing after the UK drone [1580.56] Jack: show on the third and fourth of December? [1582.8] Jack: We're going to be there on the eyedrope table. [1587.04] Greg: Um, I think I'm going to do a little bit of sleeping and quite [1592.76] Greg: a lot of flying as long as the weather lets me, um, I don't know about that. [1596.88] Jack: Have you, have you flown any fixed wing or anything? [1599.84] Greg: Um, oh, uh, when I was a kid, um, but not recently, it's some of the, I feel that [1605.12] Greg: I want to, uh, get, get back into maybe in the springtime next year. [1610.44] Tony: So spring, I just watched one of Bruce's, um, uh, YouTube channels, uh, [1618.32] Tony: I watched him today and seeing the nice sunny weather. [1621.96] Jack: I was like, no, I don't want to make you murder yourself. [1627.8] Jack: Like it is the worst. [1630.92] Jack: So what were you doing before, before FPV? [1634.72] Greg: Um, before all of this, um, Oh my word. [1638.44] Greg: I've, um, I've done a few things. [1641.0] Greg: Uh, I, I started out as a electronic, uh, design engineer and, uh, done [1648.0] Greg: an apprenticeship in that, uh, for, for a few years and then after a while, I, I [1654.04] Greg: sort of come out of that and I went into, uh, music production and, um, music [1660.0] Jack: and realize you had no money left. [1664.88] Jack: And, uh, yeah. [1665.96] Jack: Yeah. [1667.24] Jack: Yeah. [1667.68] Jack: You know what I mean? [1668.76] Jack: Uh, just that absorbs you like nothing else. [1671.76] Jack: I can't imagine. [1674.24] Greg: Um, and then, then, then, um, we, we had a couple of kids and, um, my partner, [1683.6] Greg: um, uh, really wanting to go back to work. [1686.52] Greg: So I said, you know, I'll look after the kids and, um, I'll do the [1690.52] Greg: old house husband bit for a while. [1693.32] Greg: And, um, so that's what I was doing. [1695.12] Greg: And whilst I was doing this, I was tinkering away with dreams and, um, that's [1700.96] Greg: how it sort of drew me to where I am now. [1703.84] Greg: So in a nutshell, that's my story. [1707.12] Jack: Cool. [1707.4] Jack: That's it. [1707.88] Jack: You had kids and then. [1710.4] Jack: Flew throughout. [1711.44] Jack: Yeah. [1713.36] Jack: What was your first exposure then? [1715.2] Jack: Uh, you sat around googling as a house husband and then just came across something. [1722.48] Tony: Yeah. [1723.0] Tony: Um, or flight test normally does it. [1727.56] Greg: Uh, it was some videos for, is it war thoughts? [1731.36] Greg: War thoughts, war talks. [1734.08] Jae: Yeah. [1734.8] Jae: Well, was it, um, yeah. [1736.48] Jae: Um, fly Reno stuff, wasn't it? [1739.64] Jae: The water frame. [1740.92] Jack: No, that's, um, Oh no, that's walk quad, isn't it? [1744.6] Jack: Yeah. [1744.8] Jack: Sorry. [1745.36] Jack: There's water. [1746.36] Jae: Yeah. [1747.8] Jae: Are you, if we're talking about the same thing, I don't know. [1751.48] Greg: Um, it was a guy, um, no, I think he's German. [1755.4] Greg: Yeah. [1755.84] Jae: And I think you're right. [1756.6] Jae: Yeah. [1756.8] Jae: I think it's the same guy. [1758.6] Greg: He was just, he had these X frames, um, all line of sight, but these things [1763.2] Greg: were just tearing around and it just captured me and I thought, well, I've [1767.88] Greg: just got to get stuck in and, um, he used to post at the end of his videos, the [1773.28] Greg: actual spec of what he was doing. [1775.4] Greg: So it'd be like the KK 5.5 and some 12 22 12 motors and all that sort of stuff. [1782.8] Greg: So, um, yeah, that was, that was probably the, uh, the start of it for me. [1788.52] Jae: So interesting, actually, cause I watched my water cause I, I was inspired [1791.84] Jae: by the same videos, you know? [1794.12] Jae: And I saw one of my, um, that thing flying from three and a half years [1797.6] Jae: ago and of my version of it. [1800.0] Jae: And I was thinking that was like the side of my video was so tiny, whatever [1803.24] Jae: nothing like that, but he flew similar to quad mover does now. [1807.56] Jae: I think back then, as in, if you've seen that guy's stuff where you [1810.8] Jae: can't even keep up with it, it's crazy. [1813.64] Jae: Um, so war talks did that. [1815.2] Jae: And then he, he did work with flight Reno to get the war talks edition [1818.6] Jae: of their frame released, which is a good frame back at it's an old, original [1822.72] Jae: X frame back through 30. [1825.12] Jack: Yeah. [1825.32] Jack: The original X. [1826.88] Jack: Oh, this weekend, man, we had a, we had an indoor. [1833.04] Jack: Do you want to talk about that? [1834.4] Jack: And my return to home, Tony, I think you better cover. [1839.92] Jack: I've ripped on you all morning. [1841.72] Jack: Now it's your turn. [1843.16] Tony: No, that was brilliant. [1844.2] Tony: You, you, you, you get to the point and I'll take over. [1848.52] Jack: Oh God. [1849.76] Jack: So anyway, I feel. [1852.48] Jack: Speaking of three 30 stuff, I built like what I can only describe as you [1859.0] Jack: wander around here in this like man cave. [1863.08] Jack: So, yeah, I was like looking around stuff and there was enough lying around. [1869.0] Jack: Yeah. [1869.32] Jack: To build something. [1870.04] Jack: And I've built this, this wooden, wooden shite's copter. [1875.64] Jack: The only, the only way I can describe it. [1877.8] Jack: So it's got wooden booms. [1879.24] Jack: It's one of the old flight test, any copter hubs. [1883.44] Jack: And I've only used that cause it's got a decent PCB. [1886.52] Jack: Um, and I keep banging on about it, but it's I've, I've added GPS. [1891.04] Jack: There's this old GPS park that someone returned. [1894.92] Jack: This old guy returned to a radio C and he said it was broken. [1899.52] Jack: And I was like, nah, that can't be broken. [1902.84] Jack: And, um, it's all like covered in mud. [1905.56] Jack: You know, it's literally got skid marks on it. [1908.68] Jack: There's no, there's no polite way of putting it. [1911.56] Jack: So, um, I went to few LEDs on it, added some FPV. [1915.68] Jack: Everything's crude. [1916.96] Jack: I mean, hell, the ESCs aren't even heat shrunk. [1920.6] Jack: They're done up with electrical tape and then electrocute taped to [1924.92] Jack: the, to the arms at the quad. [1927.08] Jack: And I've flown it. [1928.08] Jack: I've done some testing and I was feeling, I was feeling pretty good about it. [1931.8] Jack: And I was like, right, this is the test of, I'm in a slightly built up area. [1936.6] Jack: I was at the school. [1937.64] Jack: And the guys were doing an indoor flying. [1940.12] Jack: Now I have not had any luck with any indoor flying stuff. [1943.92] Jack: I've got nothing. [1945.16] Jack: I don't own an inductrix cause I'm not a spectrum scumbag. [1948.96] Jack: Um, sorry, all those spectrum scumbags. [1951.52] Jack: Um, so tiny whips out the question and obviously they cost like a hundred pounds. [1955.8] Jack: I built this three 30 thing and I was like, it's own. [1958.68] Jack: I got this 2,200 battery. [1960.56] Jack: Let's go outside. [1961.68] Jack: I've stuck it on 25 milliwatts. [1963.84] Jack: It's all, you know what I mean? [1965.8] Jack: It's nothing. [1966.88] Jack: It don't go fast. [1968.28] Jack: It doesn't do anything. [1970.12] Jack: It is about as aerodynamic as a manhole cover. [1974.2] Jack: You know, he's just not made to fly and I'm, I'm slightly getting attached to it. [1979.32] Jack: So I'm flying it. [1980.72] Jack: I hover up. [1981.4] Jack: I'm like, look, this is the position hold. [1983.68] Jack: It's wandering around cause it's not tuned. [1986.16] Jack: Like there's no bids on it. [1988.04] Jack: And, uh, I fly it out far away and he's like, go on it. [1992.12] Jack: Return to home. [1993.24] Tony: I so wish I was recording. [1997.2] Tony: I just didn't record it. [2000.32] Tony: He pressed return to home and you know, the tranny speaks to you. [2004.4] Tony: It said return to home and as soon as it finished its sentence, it went. [2013.24] Jack: Suck of potatoes hit the deck to home though. [2020.24] Jack: Return to Satan for firewood. [2023.48] Jack: Yeah. [2023.68] Jack: Wood comes from the ground. [2025.52] Tony: I mean, you have to be there, but just, it was just after the sentence. [2031.4] Tony: So he pressed the switch down and after it spoke out, it fell. [2036.6] Tony: It was just, it was so good. [2039.2] Tony: I'm just so gutted. [2040.48] Tony: I didn't have it on camera. [2042.4] Jae: It was that weekend and I was flying indoors on my micro cause I was avoiding [2045.96] Jae: the dangers outside with, uh, Jack's wood cop to return to home. [2051.28] Jae: Stopped me from picking up Tony's outside feed when he was [2054.12] Jae: lying around actually, um, indoors. [2056.24] Jae: So I actually don't save my flying experience. [2058.88] Jae: So it did. [2059.36] Jae: Didn't it, Jay? [2060.28] Jae: Yeah. [2060.76] Jae: As long as I pointed in the right direction to the other side of the hall. [2065.32] Tony: I blew my, I blew my copter up in about three seconds. [2070.48] Jae: I think shout out to everyone who came and, uh, made it a really good event. [2074.44] Tony: Yeah. [2074.64] Tony: Well done, Dom. [2075.8] Jae: Hidden valley. [2078.32] Jack: Hidden valley. [2078.72] Jae: That's driven out many airways. [2080.64] Jack: Yeah, but in good news, I then decided to have another guy with the old wood [2087.44] Jack: copter, got some cable ties out, got it all back together, let Sheldon fly it. [2093.32] Jack: And he hit return to home and it landed as soon as Tony's camera switched on. [2099.24] Jack: He's pointing at me, pointing at that, thinking it will never work. [2103.16] Jack: Thinking Jeremy Beatles just become Tony's personal ATM and he's going to get 250. [2109.2] Jack: I'm going to be there on, what's that? [2111.32] Jack: What's the, the, the Facebook group that the lads Bible or something. [2116.96] Jack: He's trying don't work. [2118.76] Jack: Um, but no, I performed flawlessly. [2122.36] Jack: And I was like, part of me wished it did crash because your broke as me. [2129.0] Jack: Yeah, true. [2131.44] Jack: But it was, I will admit it was, it was hilarious. [2134.6] Jack: Like, so what, what are you going to do with that? [2137.68] Jack: Are you honestly, Tony owns a, um, is it a hexicopter? [2142.6] Tony: I do what you, I'm trying to sell that for two years now, haven't you? [2147.4] Tony: But I'm just going to take the, I'm going to take the, um, nice stuff for five pounds. [2153.32] Tony: I'm going to take the Naza out of it and stick it in me wing. [2156.0] Jack: So I can, you've got an A2 on it, haven't you? [2159.88] Jack: You do realize what, what is it? [2163.08] Jack: Now it's an MB2. [2166.24] Tony: So I'm just going to convert it into a wing. [2167.96] Jack: I think I'm just probably, if it's an, if it's an M that's the multirotor. [2173.28] Jack: So that isn't going to do a plane. [2175.84] Jae: But you could get the eight M or pick talk stuff or there's loads of other options. [2182.36] Jack: I don't think so. [2183.48] Jack: I think not. [2185.8] Jack: I, if it was an A2, then it will. [2189.44] Jae: But if it's an M, the Naza M is the multirotor. [2196.68] Tony: It says Naza M for multi, it says A for aeroplane. [2202.52] Jae: Is it silver? [2204.92] Jae: Anyway, moving right along, Tony's going to put some Chinese, uh, um, thing into [2210.56] Jae: his plane, which is where I'm trying to make it fly. [2215.44] Jae: Yeah, I know. [2216.2] Jae: And then it's my turn to lie for him. [2218.0] Jae: I'm longer to try and find to get it. [2225.48] Tony: Are you doing any different antennas? [2227.72] Tony: Like you're doing the, uh, patch, are you doing a bigger, going to do a bigger [2232.4] Tony: patch for a longer range or any, any secret little squirrel things that you can say? [2240.64] Greg: Um, yeah, I've got loads of stuff that I'm tinkering and experimenting with. [2246.28] Greg: Um, I think the next thing I want to, um, focus on, uh, after the show is, [2253.2] Greg: um, uh, a version of the invader, but, uh, a higher, a higher gain version of it. [2260.68] Greg: Okay. [2261.4] Greg: Um, I've got, I've got a few, um, prototypes that I've been experimenting [2268.16] Greg: with and, um, they, the results are looking very good so far. [2274.64] Greg: Um, but yeah, I just want to keep going and get it as best as I possibly can. [2280.0] Greg: So, um, yeah, I would think, I would think a higher gain patch for a long [2285.44] Greg: range is, uh, we'll probably be the next product after the, after this one. [2291.24] Tony: Cool. [2291.96] Tony: So we can stick them on our wings. [2294.56] Greg: Yeah. [2296.52] Tony: Base station at least. [2298.72] Greg: Yes. [2299.04] Greg: On the, on the base station for your wings. [2300.76] Greg: Yeah. [2301.8] Tony: Cool. [2302.0] Tony: Cool. [2302.4] Jack: Uh, some, yeah, no, uh, uh, no stem spectrum scumbag and proud. [2308.72] Jack: Uh, Clegg says hilarious. [2311.12] Jack: Ha heart returned to home. [2313.04] Jack: Jack, he's definitely team Tony. [2316.8] Jack: You're off the Christmas list. [2318.52] Jack: Erwin says, gives the Horace a better 2.4 antenna. [2324.6] Jack: Is it? [2325.04] Jack: I haven't heard anything. [2326.68] Tony: Well, I've seen cut the videos on it. [2329.36] Tony: It's not too good. [2330.8] Jack: Uh, the Menace RC batteries. [2333.4] Jack: Anything batteries. [2335.4] Jack: No, not doing batteries. [2337.64] Jack: Um, any other news? [2338.72] Jack: Joey, what have you been up to? [2342.16] Jack: I don't know how much you want to say. [2344.4] Jae: Well, I've been trying my little 200 milliwatt micro camera on my micro. [2349.6] Jae: I'm loving this street FPV and car park just going up to the top floor. [2353.48] Jae: I've been smashing it into the car park walls, but micro is at the moment, [2357.24] Jae: even when the weather's picked up, you know, throwing it down outside. [2360.76] Jae: Even a wind inside in a car park at work. [2362.8] Jae: Cause it's right next to my work. [2364.2] Jae: It's been amazing to be able to still fly quite a lot. [2366.6] Jae: I might use, but the 200, I was finding it in my street and where I got a lot of [2370.48] Jae: glitch from the 25 200 works so much better. [2373.84] Jae: But then it was also a cloverleaf antenna on top. [2377.2] Jae: Maybe that's the thing. [2377.76] Jae: Maybe you need to make some of these replacement antennas for micro ones. [2380.72] Jae: So yeah, that's, that's all I've been working on at the moment and looking at. [2383.92] Tony: 25 milliwatts is all right. [2385.48] Tony: If you've got a ground station, but if you just got your goggles on yet, [2388.68] Tony: you're pretty much knackered. [2390.68] Jae: And you've got 5.8 and stuff in the home network. [2395.32] Tony: Yeah. [2395.96] Tony: And now it's all wet and dark and cloudy and moisture in the air. [2401.4] Tony: So yeah, it's not good anymore. [2403.36] Tony: Is it 5.8? [2404.92] Jae: No, it's defining and workable. [2407.48] Jack: No, honestly, Jay has been like the sort of micro Lego version of who I can only [2414.44] Jack: describe as Tom Smith flying in a built up area deep at night. [2419.12] Jack: You can't tell what's going on. [2421.04] Jack: Right rebel without a cause. [2423.72] Jack: Um, vegetarian rebel on my ads. [2428.92] Jack: Oh, I know. [2430.28] Jack: Um, yeah, put some more effort in says the vegans. [2433.84] Jae: I guess the difference is these things, even if they hit me, they [2437.0] Jae: don't cause any problems. [2437.84] Jae: So they're not going to hurt anything. [2439.92] Jae: Exactly. [2441.56] Jack: So you get caught in your fiance's hair and then the only person that will be [2447.16] Jack: I could imagine, you know, you do that to some, some female and just punch you in [2452.32] Jack: the face, even long-haired hippies. [2454.2] Jae: I've flown my husband into my own and got entangled. [2460.08] Jae: They need warnings in the box. [2461.16] Jack: I tell you, I've literally built that drone out to be resemble something like [2466.84] Jack: the young ones, you know, put a few stars in Tony's forehead and like Neil over [2472.6] Jack: here in the hippie and that's about it. [2476.64] Tony: Any questions for us at the drone show again? [2479.52] Tony: Yes. [2482.44] Greg: Didn't have a stand 62. [2485.08] Greg: Um, we'll be selling the antennas and we're going to have some, uh, great [2490.56] Greg: little giveaways, low post straps, radio gear straps, all that good stuff. [2495.24] Greg: So yeah, just come and see us at stand 62 get down there early. [2499.4] Greg: Then they sell out. [2500.64] Jack: Are you going to make a Yagi antenna? [2503.24] Tony: Yagi or Yagi? [2504.8] Jack: Yagi. [2506.0] Greg: Yagi. [2507.16] Greg: Um, no plans at the moment. [2508.68] Greg: No. [2509.68] Jack: That might be something quite nice to do if you're really into the old PCB 5.8. [2515.36] Jack: You know, I just thought, I don't know. [2517.48] Jack: I like calling me Yagi. [2518.88] Jack: I don't, I know you meant to call me Yagi, but you know, I like it. [2522.28] Jack: It reminds me of Yogi Beth. [2524.52] Jae: In your world, it's okay, Jack. [2526.24] Jack: I, uh, I failed to bring some biscuits with me. [2528.6] Jack: Uh, last one, I feel slightly bad. [2530.56] Jack: He's, he's gone. [2531.44] Jack: He's finished that gin, man. [2533.48] Tony: Yeah. [2535.68] Jack: That red button, Ed, do you like red buttons, Tony? [2538.84] Jae: Would you just like buttons? [2540.08] Jae: I do. [2540.56] Tony: I've got, I've got them on two of them chains and I love them. [2544.8] Tony: And, uh, the S are apparently kicking out 1500 grams now. [2553.8] Jae: Well, the 109 miles per hour. [2555.8] Jae: We're on red bottom S and race craft 50, 51 props. [2560.36] Tony: That's all five S. [2563.4] Jae: Uh, it was a tattoo and I kind of don't know. [2565.44] Jae: I think they didn't say on that. [2568.88] Jack: So Tony called bullshit on that. [2570.84] Jack: And Tony reckons he's done a hundred miles an hour. [2573.84] Tony: Oh, I have. [2579.8] Tony: I've done a hundred easy. [2581.72] Tony: I know, uh, Andy grabs done a hundred on race car. [2586.16] Jack: Do you want me to do some news whilst Jen tries to get on thing? [2591.32] Jack: Uh, what, what about, what about the guy? [2594.04] Jack: Do you want to talk about the guy who used the drone to find out his wife was cheating? [2598.68] Jack: Do you think that was real or not? [2600.44] Tony: I don't know, man. [2601.44] Tony: I posted, someone posted and I said, I don't know if this is real. [2604.52] Jack: Yeah. [2604.88] Jae: I'm very angry. [2605.72] Jae: Have you seen this, Greg? [2607.2] Jae: Um, no, I have not. [2608.68] Jae: Okay. [2608.88] Jae: So basically a guy flies a Phantom or something and follows his wife down the [2612.36] Jae: street, she pulls out of hair, brushed it, kisses this guy in a car and gets the [2615.56] Jae: car and drives off at which point this guy's getting angry and angry and then [2618.88] Jae: starts smashing stuff for that 18 years, 18 effing years. [2622.64] Jae: And, uh, yeah, that's the whole sum total of the video. [2625.2] Jae: I think he got so angry that it probably may be quite true. [2629.2] Jack: I don't know though. [2630.4] Jack: Cause it's not like he caught her blowing someone with, with a drone. [2636.2] Jack: Do you know what I mean? [2637.48] Jack: Getting into a car is not necessarily. [2641.24] Tony: Kissing if they've been married 18 years and you could see. [2644.24] Jack: You can't tell from the drone. [2646.4] Jack: Do you know what I mean? [2647.32] Tony: I mean, when she left the house and zoomed in full time, when she left the house and he was [2652.92] Jae: flying it from the house and it could follow what would be her. [2655.8] Tony: And anyway, um, in light of the one with a built up area, he should have been told off. [2662.24] Jae: The woman that was topless on top of a building was fake. [2665.52] Jae: Hmm. [2666.04] Jae: That's definitely fake. [2667.48] Jae: It's a potential just to get some views in. [2669.44] Jae: We can't trust anything anymore. [2670.92] Jae: Apart from what you're hearing. [2671.76] Jae: Let's try now. [2672.56] Jack: Um, I feel sorry for him if it is true. [2675.24] Jack: I'm guided. [2676.0] Jack: You know what I mean? [2676.96] Jack: That is 18 years. [2678.44] Jae: So your frames, then Greg, are you going to start producing more frames or is it more [2682.68] Jae: antennas that you're concentrating on? [2684.24] Jae: What do you see? [2684.76] Jae: Menace RC in the next year? [2687.28] Jae: Um, frames are very popular once you've got a good antenna design. [2691.28] Greg: Um, yeah, I think, um, frames I've got, I've got quite a few frame designs. [2697.28] Greg: Um, but you know, right at this moment, the focus has been on the antennas. [2702.52] Greg: Um, but I, I'll probably see in, you know, in the future that we, we could sort of revisit [2708.76] Greg: and start bringing, bringing the frames, um, back out again. [2713.32] Jae: Um, but my piece of advice would be to look at the sub 180 size idea. [2720.08] Jae: Yeah, they are growing in so much popularity now for that option. [2724.8] Greg: I've had a, had a look at a, uh, a 180 for four inch and, um, got, got a few guys flying [2731.6] Greg: with those at the moment and, um, I haven't really looked at anything smaller than that. [2737.88] Greg: And I suppose a lot of it gets driven by what, what, um, you know, I'm not, I mean, [2746.24] Greg: this isn't a sort of a company that sort of aggressively going into the marketplace [2751.04] Greg: and saying, right, we've got to have this, this, this, and this. [2753.92] Greg: It's more of, um, it's more products that, you know, if I, if I want to design one and [2758.76] Greg: I get on with it and other people like it, then, um, then, then, then we'll bring it out. [2763.16] Greg: Um, it, you know, we're not, we're not, uh, not trying to be a massive company as it [2767.84] Greg: were, just trying to bring out some genuine little products and great sort of handy [2772.6] Tony: things to have, um, for the hobby and at really good prices. [2776.28] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [2777.36] Greg: Um, hobby, hobby prices, that's, you know, that's what it's all about for us. [2781.2] Tony: Because we all know how much it costs. [2783.56] Tony: One crash can cost you 50 quid, go on it. [2786.0] Tony: You know, your record FPV camera, take out your antenna. [2790.08] Tony: You've done 50 quid in that one crash. [2792.6] Greg: Yeah. [2793.28] Greg: Yeah. [2793.56] Greg: And, um, it's sort of, uh, what, what I don't know if this is the same for everyone [2799.0] Greg: else, but what I noticed when, um, I was first starting out with it, with the FPV. [2803.56] Greg: I would be, um, I'd be crashing a lot and it was really expensive in the early days. [2810.04] Greg: And then you get to a point where you're not crashing and you tend to start coming [2814.92] Greg: home with all your kit intact. [2816.84] Greg: And then a little bit later on, you start getting faster and faster. [2822.0] Greg: And then you, when you crash, you absolutely annihilate things. [2825.92] Greg: Um, so I think, you know, where I've always been at is if the parts are cheap [2831.32] Greg: for the beginner and people that are trying to get, you know, really, really [2834.64] Greg: high speed, um, out of these quads and that, then that's got to be a bonus and [2840.8] Greg: helpful to the hobby because, um, you know, you can buy these very expensive [2847.08] Greg: bits of kit, um, which are no more than, um, sort of, uh, you know, it's a wire [2853.72] Greg: and PCB and things like that. [2856.24] Jae: And the, the, the number one resounding thing is it's UK designed and maybe [2860.68] Jae: manufactured it. [2861.64] Jae: And so, you know, cause often people are buying frames from America, Australia, [2865.96] Jae: all over the world. [2866.72] Jae: And it's always good to get home grown stuff. [2868.68] Greg: Yeah, absolutely. [2869.88] Tony: I'd love it if someone designed a frame, what was actually the antenna. [2878.4] Tony: Is that humanly possible? [2882.28] Tony: And that work make an antenna, like the frame, the drone is the [2890.08] Jack: with standoffs as the plastic standoffs and let the bottom be the ground plate [2898.84] Jack: and the top plate plate will be the active. [2901.8] Jack: And no, just, just no for now. [2903.88] Jack: Just don't even think about it anymore. [2907.08] Jack: It would resemble something of a swastika, a flying swastika. [2911.64] Jack: It would, I think. [2913.88] Jae: Maybe, you know, just to carry your idea forward a little bit Tony and [2917.52] Jae: entertain you a little bit. [2918.68] Jae: Maybe if you could somehow get your antennas on the propellers, that'd be [2921.28] Jae: quite interesting. [2923.12] Tony: But they've all been, they've been moving. [2925.2] Jae: There he is. [2926.36] Jae: I'm not saying how. [2927.84] Cem: Oh, well done, Jim. [2930.0] Cem: Finally. [2932.72] Cem: Can you hear me? [2934.36] Cem: We can hear you Jim. [2935.56] Cem: Yeah. [2938.28] Cem: It was not easy. [2940.8] Cem: Yeah. [2943.84] Cem: Yes. [2944.24] Cem: Okay. [2944.92] Cem: Cut down the browser and start again and all the rest of it. [2947.84] Cem: Hello. [2949.28] Tony: Jim, tell us what stand you on what you're doing here. [2953.88] Tony: Tell us all about it. [2955.8] Cem: Uh, okay. [2956.72] Cem: I think it's stand 85. [2958.24] Cem: You can't miss it. [2959.0] Cem: It's going to be a big and negative area. [2961.56] Cem: Um, right of the RC cars, pretty much where I drone was last year. [2966.8] Cem: Whoever was there last year. [2969.8] Cem: And if you watch the video of that link that I posted up a little while ago, [2975.2] Cem: you'll see, I had an idea of putting a room out. [2978.64] Cem: Ray and Kevin and the lads over at, um, B Mac made it into the simulator for me [2984.2] Cem: again, awesome boys, and we're going to let that sim out in, in collusion with [2990.04] Cem: B Mac media over Christmas, that just a tiny room for you guys to download [2996.44] Cem: and play for free. [2998.2] Cem: Wow. [2998.56] Cem: Awesome. [3000.4] Cem: Nice little Christmas present. [3002.24] Cem: Yeah. [3002.52] Jae: So you can, when's that available from then, Jim? [3004.64] Cem: That will be available within the three or four days ish. [3008.2] Cem: There's just a couple of little issues that in the background that's being [3010.84] Cem: dealt with because we expect the massive influx. [3013.88] Cem: Um, don't worry, but we've got Tony here. [3018.72] Jack: It's our little Gremlin. [3019.72] Jack: I'm also wearing one of Jim's love FPV hoodies, by the way. [3024.64] Jack: Excellent. [3025.32] Jack: It's keeping me warm in the winter. [3026.92] Jack: Very welcome. [3028.2] Jack: That was my, my little Christmas present early. [3032.12] Jack: Oh, for you cheeky young man. [3034.08] Cem: That's, you know, it's all good, bros. [3035.8] Cem: It's all good. [3038.0] Tony: Just don't mention the earth is flat. [3040.92] Jae: Well, we go into this level now. [3048.52] Jack: It's two of them talking about the lizard people. [3057.44] Jack: Give me that burp in a lizard eggs into the glass of water. [3063.88] Cem: Yeah, yeah. [3064.32] Cem: I'll believe anything they tell me. [3065.88] Jack: Yeah, I'll be honest. [3067.6] Jack: I was at, I was at radio C the other day and, um, I put on the 200 truths that [3075.32] Jack: the earth is flat, right? [3077.52] Jack: Proofs that's it. [3078.64] Jack: Proofs the earth is flat. [3082.52] Jack: Stood five. [3083.28] Jack: All you mean? [3086.52] Tony: But he doesn't understand. [3087.96] Tony: Jamie's like, too. [3089.88] Tony: He's like all the rest of it. [3091.88] Jack: Apparently, apparently foil don't work. [3097.16] Jae: There's one thing that sums up that whole thing. [3099.24] Jae: I reject your reality and I substitute my own tiny and we're currently done. [3105.36] Jack: Okay. [3105.68] Jack: So we went back to reality. [3108.48] Jack: Finally, a reasonable man who's flat. [3118.96] Lee: Jack, how you doing? [3119.84] Lee: I thought I'd hop on. [3121.32] Lee: Cause I saw you're talking to somebody that I'm a very big fan of. [3124.56] Lee: And I want to come and say hello. [3128.28] Jack: Yeah. [3129.24] Jack: Great. [3129.8] Jack: How are you doing? [3131.36] Jack: Painless 360. [3134.04] Jack: Hello. [3134.52] Jack: Yeah. [3136.04] Lee: Yeah. [3136.8] Lee: Greg and I have been talking over the past couple of weeks. [3138.8] Lee: We've done some cool stuff with Greg. [3140.2] Lee: So there's actually a new video coming out tomorrow on one of his cool new things. [3144.24] Lee: So, uh, there's a preview tomorrow and, uh, I've missed some of the shell. [3148.92] Lee: I do apologize. [3149.96] Lee: So, uh, so yeah. [3151.04] Lee: Greg, how are you, mate? [3152.76] Lee: Yeah. [3153.0] Lee: I'm good. [3153.48] Lee: Very well. [3153.84] Lee: Thank you. [3155.56] Lee: Are you all ready for the drone show? [3157.72] Greg: Uh, yeah, almost, um, busy getting everything ready, but yeah, we should be [3162.72] Greg: ready in time for next weekend. [3166.32] Greg: Fantastic. [3167.04] Lee: Has the drone show already been discussed? [3168.88] Lee: Jack or am I too late? [3171.16] Lee: No, you haven't. [3173.48] Lee: I have. [3173.88] Lee: I've just got my tickets through. [3175.92] Lee: So I've, um, yeah, definitely I'm going to be there. [3178.4] Lee: I know, um, Menace RC is going to be there. [3180.84] Lee: You're going to be there. [3182.24] Lee: I just wondered if we need to sort out some kind of get together. [3185.64] Lee: Yeah. [3186.16] Lee: Uh, yeah, definitely got to go down the pub. [3189.12] Lee: Now you see, now you're talking my language. [3191.16] Lee: I like the sound of that purely for research purposes. [3194.28] Tony: Yep. [3197.04] Jack: Are you, are you going to bring some of that slow gin, Greg? [3199.88] Jack: If there's any less, I'll bring some Menace RC slow gin, rep the house. [3204.76] Jack: Is that why you're a house husband? [3207.4] Jack: So are you doing to be allowed out of the house? [3211.88] Jack: Yeah. [3212.16] Jack: Well, it's a way. [3212.96] Jack: Yeah, that's it. [3214.64] Jack: That's it. [3215.16] Jack: I'm going to make an antenna PCB because I've got a machine. [3221.64] Jack: I like your style. [3224.36] Tony: Have you got a stand or are you just mingling? [3227.4] Lee: No, I'm just mingling, mingling, mingling. [3229.32] Lee: Um, I'm not going anything. [3231.36] Lee: Just have a good look around really. [3232.64] Lee: Cause I wasn't going to go. [3234.88] Lee: And then suddenly everyone I talked to, so Dominic Clifton's out there. [3238.92] Lee: Uh, Greg was out there. [3240.16] Lee: You guys are out there. [3241.4] Lee: The one, the magazines are right. [3243.8] Lee: He's out there and thought, I can't really not go. [3245.96] Lee: Can I? [3246.52] Lee: So, um, so yeah, I literally today I got the tickets through cause it was [3250.0] Lee: actually Jack in the end that kind of gave me the nudge and said, come on, [3253.32] Lee: get yourself sorted out so we can have a beer. [3255.96] Lee: So I kind of, it's kind of all down to him. [3258.0] Lee: Yeah. [3258.88] Jack: It's his fault. [3260.16] Jack: Yeah. [3260.96] Jack: Also like, you know, if there's enough witnesses, it stops Tony beating me. [3265.32] Jack: Um, he's very abusive when he gets tanked. [3268.48] Jack: Uh, conics released an update. [3275.64] Jack: Any good painless cause you can now talk about that. [3278.8] Jack: They've added a night mode. [3280.88] Jack: I haven't one care. [3284.08] Lee: We are, the Connex, I have this little list in my, uh, in my book of videos [3288.84] Lee: that we need to do and the Connex system has been at the top of that list. [3292.48] Lee: You know, like when you write your, your, your list of things to do. [3295.16] Lee: And there's not one that you can't really be bothered about. [3298.32] Lee: And then the following week you write out the list and it's still on there. [3301.6] Lee: The Connex has been that for me for about eight weeks. [3304.16] Lee: So I kind of do need to do the video about the night stuff, but to be honest, [3309.28] Lee: um, it's just, I'm kind of, I'm a little bit underwhelmed with it. [3313.68] Lee: To be honest, for 400 quid, I expected it to be amazing, but seeing as they've done [3318.56] Lee: the update, I think it's a perfect chance for us to, to pull it out. [3322.16] Lee: Do the update and show everyone what it looks like at night. [3324.6] Lee: Cause everyone liked the run cam comparison stuff we did. [3328.76] Lee: Have you tried it yet? [3330.6] Jack: Well, the Connex system hasn't been anywhere near it at all. [3334.4] Jack: Have not seen, or, uh, my friend Simon's just bought me a night eagle. [3339.68] Jack: So I'm going to be checking that out. [3341.92] Tony: Oh, you lucky, right? [3343.0] Jack: Oh, I know. [3344.0] Jack: I know. [3344.76] Jack: So I'm going to, I'm going to do a little bit of talking about that. [3347.76] Jack: They gave us like a little special price on that to, to check it out. [3351.48] Jack: Maybe mention it to see whether that's, that's any good. [3355.4] Jack: And I heard, I heard about the Connex. [3358.04] Jack: Carlos has got it, hasn't he? [3359.48] Jae: But I suppose that's the thing. [3360.68] Jae: If you're going to produce a video, that's more than a number of people actually [3363.68] Jae: have it and it was only, I think designed as a, here we can do it rather than a [3367.72] Jae: replacement to any existing technology. [3369.56] Jack: But I don't know. [3370.36] Jack: It's winter now and you know, some of us do want to fly at night. [3376.16] Tony: I'd like to, I'd like to take my wing out at night. [3378.52] Tony: One of my wings out. [3380.28] Lee: The thing is, if you want to fly at night, then actually things like the run [3383.16] Lee: cam night owl and the night eagle, actually with analog FPV that we've [3387.2] Lee: already got for what, fortunately or whatever. [3389.52] Lee: And those cameras work really nice. [3391.08] Lee: I mean, it's black and white when the, when it gets really low light, [3394.04] Lee: but they work great. [3395.2] Lee: But no, Jack, you're right. [3396.28] Lee: I probably need to get my bloody ass in gear and do the Connex video. [3401.04] Lee: So maybe we'll do that in December. [3402.6] Jack: Yeah. [3402.96] Jack: I mean, I would like to remind everyone that for 600 pound more, you can buy [3409.32] Jack: the standalone DJI light bridge system. [3412.92] Jack: Oh, that's only 999 pounds. [3417.0] Tony: Oh, you could go for two weeks. [3420.32] Jack: Yeah. [3420.88] Jack: So I just like to, I love, yeah, how people ignore that. [3425.24] Jack: Um, but yeah, I'm having fun with iNav. [3427.28] Jack: Have you probably heard Tony ripping on me? [3430.16] Jack: It works. [3430.76] Jack: Then it doesn't. [3432.08] Lee: Well, I need to pick your brains about that buddy. [3434.28] Lee: Cause I must admit I'm, I'm still at the moment, uh, in the middle of [3437.92] Lee: building that F4 base quads of one of the, one of the things for the channel. [3441.96] Lee: Yeah. [3442.2] Lee: I mean, FPV thing. [3443.36] Lee: So I'm, I'm going to do the iNav stuff next. [3446.32] Lee: I'm hoping you'll have it all figured out so you can save me a load of time and [3450.64] Lee: hassle and let me know how it's all supposed to work. [3452.96] Tony: That's how it works now. [3454.28] Tony: Is it fine? [3457.2] Lee: I'm afraid in terms of for this one, I'm Jack can go over the top [3460.88] Lee: first and take the bullets and then I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll kind of [3463.76] Lee: take all the glory afterwards. [3466.36] Tony: That's the way to do it. [3467.56] Lee: Absolutely. [3468.52] Lee: But I mean, I know I obviously missed that bit before, but I, you know, I'm, I [3472.84] Lee: am genuinely interested in seeing how that works, um, cause it ain't going to [3476.92] Lee: appear in clean flight anytime soon, but from what I can tell. [3480.44] Lee: So I'm getting, I'm bored of waiting. [3482.44] Lee: I've been, I've been after dominant putting that into clean flight for well [3485.24] Lee: over a year, um, and it just, it doesn't, it never makes it to the top [3489.44] Lee: of that priority list. [3491.08] Jack: Yeah. [3491.96] Jack: But you know, the, you know, I, I do want to have a word and try and get, um, [3498.44] Jack: try and get, uh, Dominic on to, you know, to have a word because yeah, he's still [3504.48] Jack: got to clean up all the code and get everything, you know, be a flight is [3508.56] Jack: starting to look a bit messy now. [3510.76] Jack: And, uh, it's understandable. [3513.96] Lee: Well, it's a bit of a tricky one, isn't it? [3516.08] Lee: Cause the cleaning up the code is the unsexy bit, isn't it? [3519.88] Lee: Yeah. [3520.6] Lee: It's the stuff that nobody gets the awards and accolades for. [3524.8] Lee: And it comes down to him or all the cool kids fly, beta fly, but he's got to [3529.28] Lee: do all the, um, all the janitorial work. [3532.32] Lee: And, but not well, we'll, we'll hopefully see him in Birmingham, mate. [3536.28] Lee: And then you can, you can have a chat because I've been playing telephone [3540.08] Lee: tag with him, but going back to why now, yeah, I just want things to work like [3543.52] Lee: they did in the days of multi-way where if you switch, it used to fly back to you. [3549.36] Jack: Yeah. [3551.52] Jack: Yeah. [3551.88] Jack: So far I've been impressed. [3553.88] Jack: So, all right. [3555.32] Jack: Yeah. [3555.56] Jack: I've noticed we're 10 minutes over. [3557.84] Jack: So, uh, I think we'll have to call it there. [3560.04] Tony: Can we just give another five minutes and just, yeah, sure. [3564.72] Cem: Jim. [3567.4] Cem: It's out. [3568.6] Cem: I just wanted you guys to know that you can get to fly the room for free over [3572.52] Cem: Christmas, um, you know, for the people that have already got it, it's a big bonus [3577.72] Cem: for the people that haven't got it. [3578.88] Cem: It's a great chance to just try out the seam. [3581.6] Cem: You won't try the other games after that. [3583.56] Cem: They're not seems, you know, you'd be on this one and more than that. [3587.12] Cem: I want you guys to bring some micro quad creations. [3590.64] Cem: I want to maybe get a little, you know, off beat race going on at the, at the [3594.96] Cem: show at UKDS, if anyone's got something micro that they've built that we might [3600.16] Cem: not have seen, um, there's quite a few nice ones I like as a tricopter as well. [3605.8] Cem: I'd love to fly him around the room. [3608.44] Jack: I know Carlos had a truck mini tricopter. [3611.0] Jack: I'm jealous. [3612.48] Cem: Yeah. [3612.72] Cem: He just posted a video of our next one tricopter. [3616.8] Cem: It does look quite stable and again, eight and a half mill motors. [3621.56] Cem: It's just really nice. [3622.68] Cem: Just want to see it flying. [3624.2] Cem: Yeah, same here. [3628.36] Cem: Think bring it along, please. [3629.48] Cem: You know, come to UKDS is a, the, the tiny whoop thing is free to try. [3634.24] Cem: So I want to try and get as many new pilots. [3637.52] Cem: So if you've already flown a tiny work, you know what it's like. [3640.64] Cem: I just want to get like complete novices in there. [3643.56] Cem: So just get some space and just get periods. [3647.24] Jack: Oh, well you have a B brain, you know, the new one that binds to the [3650.52] Jack: Taranis where you have any of those. [3652.52] Cem: Yeah. [3652.76] Cem: I've got, um, that fast guy in stock and the SMX is on its way. [3659.0] Cem: It's a bit ADS they'll be in. [3661.44] Cem: Um, I've got the new, my little quads and I'm pushing these ones. [3665.76] Cem: And they're the red ones. [3666.64] Cem: Have you seen those? [3667.72] Cem: No. [3668.6] Cem: E 0 1 0 frame. [3670.68] Cem: And it's a fully upgraded factory upgraded quad comes with a lovely little [3675.2] Cem: nifty camera on the top and you just, you can put much better lipos in as well. [3680.08] Cem: That's a big bonus. [3681.4] Cem: You can fit my bigger lipos in there to my lipos. [3684.64] Tony: And where do we get them? [3685.52] Tony: Jim? [3686.36] Cem: They're on my site. [3688.12] Tony: And your site is [3689.88] Jack: join junkie.co.uk. [3691.68] Jack: Lord help. [3692.44] Jack: Honestly, we did let anyone on self promote. [3696.72] Jack: All right. [3697.28] Jack: Thank you guys. [3698.12] Jack: You've been joined to let's draw now. [3701.88] Jack: You've been joined by my, my aid, Edmondson, Tony. [3706.92] Jack: He's got as much hair. [3708.76] Jack: Um, the, the hippie from Dan under with long hair, like, yeah. [3714.04] Jack: Um, uh, and obviously Greg from Menace RC. [3719.64] Jack: Thank you very much for having me. [3720.92] Jack: Yeah. [3721.32] Jack: No, I hope you weren't getting bored there. [3723.32] Jack: And I just hope that you were just feeling the, the effects of the old gin. [3727.32] Jae: And just, just to recap them, we can find out the price of the new antennas in the [3731.6] Jae: next couple of days at MenaceRC.co.uk. [3734.04] Greg: Right. [3734.76] Greg: Yeah. [3734.96] Greg: Um, yeah, absolutely. [3736.04] Greg: Hop onto the website. [3737.12] Greg: We've, we've put the prices up, um, in the next couple of days, um, all ahead of, [3741.92] Greg: um, launch. [3743.52] Jack: Excellent. [3747.24] Tony: Who else? [3747.76] Jack: Jack, thank you for coming on and agreeing to chat to us. [3751.32] Jack: We've had Jim drone, junky, lovely long time supporter of the show and not to [3758.28] Jack: forget the only reason why any of us could do anything ever with a, with a [3763.4] Jack: nice 32 painless 360 evening. [3766.56] Jack: Thank you. [3769.4] Jack: Can we get happy flying for me, mate? [3771.52] Jack: Happy flying. [3774.52] Jack: Thanks guys. [3775.84] Jack: All right. [3776.24] Jack: Have a good night. [3777.0] Jack: Thank you. [3777.88] Jack: Bye-bye. [3778.24] Jack: Good night.