=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 67 === Title: Lets Drone Out After The UK Drone Show Recorded: 2016-12-08 Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Jae "Chipko", Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant Guest(s): Sheila Total audience: 1,921 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1npyAPFGrs); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/320836847-letsdroneout-lets-drone-out-after-the-uk-drone-show.mp3) ==================================== We attended the show at the NEC if you missed out here's how you find out what you missed [0.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to the show. You're listening to Let's Brawn on or out as usual. [7.0] Jack: And we are joined by none other than the wonderful Tony. [15.0] Jae: That was wonderful. Wow, Tony. He likes you, Tony. [21.0] Tony: Wonderful, but he's probably been shouting. [25.0] Jae: I bet he's been shouting. I bet he's been shouting at my quad. [30.0] Tony: I bet it's not that wonderful, is it? See? There's the wonderful. [39.54] Jack: And we are joined by the lovey-dovey hippie. [44.54] Jae: Oh yeah, trying to get you two calmed and loved up. [47.54] Jae: I think it's already happening on YouTube. [50.54] Jae: I know. We have four viewers, so that worked. [55.54] Tony: Have you put a post out? I mean, it's a bit late, isn't it, Jake? [59.54] Tony: You can hear the disappointment in his breath. [63.54] Jack: You know, clearly I do everything. [67.54] Jack: Jake, would you be interested in like, you're always trying to steal Let's Brawn out. [72.54] Jack: Would you be interested in owning it? You don't actually have to give me any money or anything. [76.54] Jack: You just need to develop a decent website. [79.54] Jack: Have a platform where there's only one place to go to listen to Let's Brawn out. [84.54] Jack: We've already got that. [86.54] Jae: No, we've got several, actually. I mean, you've got it on here. [91.54] Jack: And yeah, you just don't have me on there. [97.54] Jae: Well, we want you, Jack. I mean, you've been here since day one when we used to be Let's Brawn on. [102.54] Jae: Interesting enough. And you're part of the furniture now. You can't go. [107.54] Jae: If we don't take any ownership of it, ultimately you do. [114.54] Tony: So unlucky. We're leaving now. [118.54] Jack: I mean, I just had a year of growth, though, haven't we? [125.54] Jae: I mean, looking back, we've had a year of growth. We've had some adventures. [128.54] Jae: We've had an earlier games. We've gone out and stuff. [130.54] Jae: And actually, we've grown a lot in that first year when we came down to where you are now. [137.54] Jae: Yeah, I remember that day. [139.54] Jae: Actually, that year has been fun with you, Jack. You can't abandon this or pass it on or sell it on or whatever. [145.54] Jae: I mean, what we do need to do is maybe grow it together. [150.54] Jae: Together. Let's talk about together. This is the hippie Let's Brawn out time. [154.54] Tony: Pardon me. I think I just burnt life. [161.16] Jae: That's Tony's response to that. [163.16] Tony: Sorry. [164.16] Jae: So this week, anyway, once we're still debating whether we're Let's Brawn on or Let's Brawn out, [169.16] Jae: it was a drone show. And you two late stock out 30 stock out there all weekend, weren't you? [176.16] Tony: We were had a good time. [178.16] Jae: Any dancing and pitching on the dance floor? [182.16] Tony: No flying from either of us this time. [186.16] Tony: We learned from our mistakes last year. [189.16] Tony: Well, the mistake, as in, you know, what it's like multi-parting in a building like that, it was horrendous. [197.16] Jae: Yeah. [199.16] Jae: I mean, I saw. [201.16] Tony: Yeah, they look they look promising. [203.16] Tony: That looks like the way forward for flying indoors is the connect system. [209.16] Jack: Yeah. [212.16] Tony: Yeah, they did have a few problems. [216.16] Jack: I am I must say we had pilot who came in third last week on the field. [225.16] Jack: I was cheering for you, buddy. [227.16] Jack: Unfortunately, did crash out. [230.16] Tony: Such a shame. [231.16] Jack: I know what poor guy. [235.16] Tony: But you know, he's young. He's talented. [237.16] Tony: He'd be right. [240.16] Jack: Yeah, I hope so. [244.16] Jack: I have got some some interviews for from the. [252.16] Jack: No, Jack must stay. [254.16] Jack: I got a friend Jack and never saw him again. [257.16] Jack: Where were you hiding? [258.16] Jack: I was wandering around loads with my my little passport pass and stuff. [263.16] Jack: And, you know, interviewed a few people. [267.16] Jae: You were pretty much tied up with the fossil stuff. [269.16] Jae: I mean, it was quite a busy standard with the Revo. [272.16] Tony: Yeah, we introduced our new frame, which was been looking forward to talk about [277.16] Tony: and show off for a couple of months. [280.16] Tony: And I had to keep it under wraps. [282.16] Tony: So I've been a good boy like that didn't show any of my mates or anything. [286.16] Jae: I mean, I was the first I saw of it. [288.16] Jae: So you know, you know, for me, like picking up the frame and holding it [293.16] Jae: because for a while I was I was wondering how this tensioner would work [297.16] Jae: and how it would look just seeing it, you know, on the morning traveling there. [302.16] Jae: But it felt like there was a bit more engineering to a standard quad, [305.16] Jae: like halfway between, well, not halfway, but more akin to like a helicopter [310.16] Jae: where there's there's different parts that you actually tighten and stuff [313.16] Jae: rather than just putting screws into standoffs or whatever. [317.16] Jae: It just seemed like there was a bit more and I was impressed with it, the Revo frame. [321.16] Tony: Well, you know what we've done. [323.16] Tony: We turned the legs the other way, so there was less airflow. [328.16] Tony: So it was more aerodynamics. [331.16] Tony: But doing that, we needed to find a rigging to make it stiffer. [337.16] Tony: So we went through like 20 different riggings to find the one we're using now. [341.16] Tony: And I think it's one from Germany, like three stretched line with about 150 breaking strain. [348.16] Tony: It's like a woven material. [350.16] Tony: We tried wire, everything like cheese cutting wire. [355.16] Tony: Loads of different. [357.16] Jae: Yeah, it's a bit of a balance between not something that's not going to cut through the carbon [362.16] Jae: and something that will. [364.16] Tony: That was it. Yeah, that was it. [366.16] Tony: I mean, the one I've got is still like production model. [370.16] Tony: I mean, it's it's pretty much finished. [372.16] Tony: We're just doing a few more bits to it, but it flies amazing. [377.16] Tony: And I want to say it's our first venture into carbon fiber. [383.16] Tony: And I think it's such a great design by Martin and all the guys on board the fossil stuff. [391.16] Tony: We've had a really good time, enjoyed doing doing what we've done to make it and get it where it is. [398.16] Jae: Yeah, I mean, it's quite light, which is one thing. [401.16] Jae: But also just looking at the top profile, there's very little to get in the way of the prop, [406.16] Jae: you know, thrust going down through the frame. [408.16] Jae: Whereas before in the arms and especially on the gravity series, it would have met with some solid destruction. [415.16] Jae: That's it. [416.16] Jae: Yeah, it's impressive. It's good to see Martin there again. [418.16] Jae: Hello to you, Martin, if you tuned in. [420.16] Tony: He hopefully is. [422.16] Jae: If not, why not? [424.16] Tony: Or he hear it on the podcast, hopefully. [428.16] Tony: How's your sound, Jack? Are you back with us yet? [431.16] Jack: I don't. I don't know how to sound. [433.16] Jae: You're sounding fine. [435.16] Jae: Welcome back, Jack. You're listening to Lestrone out. [438.16] Jae: Am I loud enough? [440.16] Jae: You're loud enough. [441.16] Jack: You are. You are. [442.16] Tony: It was nice seeing you up there, Jay. [445.16] Tony: You're putting the names to faces. [449.16] Tony: Is that the right way? [450.16] Jae: Yeah, well, because I mean, there's a few people that I bought from or spoken with. [455.16] Jae: And it was actually good to actually meet the suppliers. [457.16] Jae: And not all the suppliers are out there, but quite a few good ones. [462.16] Tony: Yeah. [463.16] Tony: He had painless walking around there. [466.16] Jae: I never got to meet painless, let's see. [468.16] Jae: I think I saw him, but it was him. [470.16] Jae: Sorry, he wasn't going to go around. [471.16] Jae: Are you painless through Disney? [472.16] Jae: Are you painless through Disney? [474.16] Jae: But yeah, I saw it on your video, actually. [476.16] Jae: It's a pretty good video. [477.16] Tony: Yeah, it was this Saturday. [480.16] Tony: So, yeah, he was wandering around. [483.16] Tony: Was it busy on the Sunday? [485.16] Tony: Sorry? [486.16] Jae: How busy was it on the Sunday? [488.16] Tony: I think it was quite busy. [490.16] Tony: I was, yeah, I was not feeling too great on the Sunday. [498.16] Tony: Get off, Jack. [499.16] Tony: You're putting some stupid glasses. [501.16] Tony: Look, give me a bad tooth and all. [504.16] Tony: You're listening to the podcast. [506.16] Tony: We do apologize. [507.16] Tony: Jack is... [510.16] Jack: He needs to steal my stuff. [515.16] Tony: I'll make something bad on my teeth. [517.16] Tony: Jack is doodling on my face. [521.16] Tony: Speak. [522.16] Tony: And now I'm wearing... [523.16] Tony: Well, actually, he moves as well. [525.16] Tony: I've got Mr. Steal Mustache. [527.16] Tony: I have to do that every five seconds. [530.16] Jack: No. [531.16] Jack: Yeah. [532.16] Jack: Yeah, sorry. [533.16] Tony: Thanks. [534.16] Tony: So, it was a great... [535.16] Jack: Let's draw out, Jack. [537.16] Jack: Sorry, I've had enough now. [539.16] Jae: He hasn't really. [543.14] Tony: We're just laughing at you at the moment. [545.14] Tony: Well, I've seen people who follow you on your YouTube channel. [548.14] Tony: You've never really spoken to before, [550.14] Tony: or you've text them loads of times, [552.14] Tony: but actually never met them in person. [554.14] Tony: So, that was pretty cool. [555.14] Tony: Meeting people that I've spoken to before and, you know. [560.14] Tony: Looks like one of our Patreons. [562.14] Tony: I met one of them today. [564.14] Tony: I'll let's draw an out Patreon. [566.14] Tony: That was nice of you. [567.14] Tony: There's, I mean, Steve. [568.14] Tony: Steve? [569.14] Tony: What's up, Steve? [570.14] Jae: There was an interesting mix of what you could actually buy there, I found, [575.62] Jae: from cars to toys to... [577.62] Jae: And it was probably more tailored rather than a family day out. [580.62] Jae: Looking at drones to pilots. [583.62] Jae: Unless, of course, you're turning up to buy a Mavic, [586.62] Jae: which sold out within a minute or so. [588.62] Jae: On a second. [589.62] Tony: Yeah. [590.62] Tony: I think it was very quick. [591.62] Jae: When a minute or something. [592.62] Jack: Wheeler Dealers, Mike Brewer was there trying to buy one. [596.62] Jack: Was he? [597.62] Jack: Yeah, it was quite funny. [599.62] Jack: And he was a bit disappointed. [601.62] Jack: But there was one or two left from some other companies [604.62] Jack: who had, like, make me an offer. [607.62] Jack: So really, like, if anything, if you can join the... [611.62] Jack: If you've got enough money, join the DJI waiting list. [615.62] Jack: And as soon as you get something, you can kind of, like, [617.62] Jack: list on eBay and sell it for more than what you've paid for it. [620.62] Jack: It's ridiculous, like. [622.62] Jae: It's that Apple-slash-DJI partnership. [627.62] Jae: Yeah. [628.62] Jack: And it's nuts. [630.62] Jack: You know, like, I get it. [631.62] Jack: It's a nice bit of kit. [633.62] Jack: And it's small and compact, but I don't know about it. [638.62] Jae: But speaking of which, there's a few people that I know [640.62] Jae: that actually spent their hard-earned cash [642.62] Jae: or not so hard-earned cash and bought them. [644.62] Jae: But they're now pretty peeved off that they're available [648.62] Jae: in high street stores but not on their pre-order. [652.62] Jae: So naughty DJI. [656.62] Jack: Yeah, as usual. [657.62] Jack: I know, like, make loads of money [659.62] Jack: and screw everyone else over. [662.62] Jack: Yeah, that's kind of what happens, really. [665.62] Jack: Because I heard a rumour that, like, one of the stores [669.62] Jack: had bought all their stock from Apple. [676.62] Jack: And then the other guys had bought all their stock from Apple. [681.62] Jack: Which is nuts, really. [683.62] Jack: Because, like, you're literally walking into a shop [685.62] Jack: being like, how many have you got? [689.62] Jack: And it's Tony drawing on me. [693.62] Tony: I'm not doing anything. [697.62] Jack: Clearly, it's not me. [698.62] Jack: You've got sample text from the top court. [700.62] Jack: Oh, my God. [701.62] Jae: Now, what's happening now? [703.62] Jae: We've got our production value. [705.62] Jae: Our production value has just gone through the roof. [710.62] Jae: If you're not tuned in, you should be. [712.62] Jae: We're missing the podcast. [713.62] Jae: We're missing all the fun that happened when it's live. [715.62] Jack: Oh, God, we're so distracted. [717.62] Jack: We're like kids. [719.62] Jack: Do you want me to play a little... [723.62] Jack: I don't know how well you can hear it. [725.62] Jack: If not, I'll have to, like, edit it on the fly. [728.62] Jack: Let's give it a go. [729.62] Jae: Who's this one with? [730.62] Jae: Like, who are you having a chat with, this is? [733.62] Jack: This is with Ofcom. [735.62] Jack: So, Ofcom, we actually... [737.62] Jack: Can you hear it? [738.62] Sheila: ...are responsible for many... [742.44] Sheila: But one that involves drones is use of the spectrum. [747.44] Sheila: We want everyone to be able to use the radio spectrum [749.44] Sheila: and, yeah, not suffer from interference [754.44] Sheila: and just have a merry little time playing along together. [758.44] Sheila: A merry little time. [759.44] Sheila: So, most of them out of the box, [760.44] Sheila: which are two drones, are what we call license exempt, [763.44] Sheila: which means that you don't need to get a license [765.44] Sheila: in order to be able to use them, [766.44] Sheila: just like your mobile phone is license exempt, [768.44] Sheila: like your car key, not your car key is also license exempt, [772.44] Sheila: because imagine the pain that would come from... [774.44] Sheila: You buy your mobile phone, [775.44] Sheila: then straight away you're on the phone to Ofcom, [777.44] Sheila: can I have a license fee? [778.44] Sheila: Because that would be a pain. [779.44] Sheila: So, that's why we created this whole license exemption [781.44] Sheila: for certain products. [783.44] Sheila: Is that right? [784.44] Sheila: No, that's completely... [786.44] Sheila: So, that's why we created these license exemptions. [788.44] Sheila: Also, some manufacturers can design products [790.44] Sheila: and put them straight out on the market [792.44] Sheila: without talking to Ofcom about getting licenses [794.44] Sheila: just for their product. [795.44] Sheila: There's, like, a list of license exemptions. [797.44] Sheila: So, if you build your product to work on a certain frequency [800.44] Sheila: under a certain power and other things, [803.44] Sheila: if your product meets those criteria, [805.44] Sheila: then you can put it on the market as a license exempt product [807.44] Sheila: and your consumers don't need to get a license. [809.44] Sheila: Now, most drones usually fall under that license exemption, [813.44] Sheila: in which case people can just go and buy a drone, [815.44] Sheila: take it out of the box. [817.44] Sheila: However, some drones do not fall under the license exemption [821.44] Sheila: because of the transmitter power, for example. [824.44] Sheila: A really, really common one we get [826.44] Sheila: is the drones that have cameras on them [829.44] Sheila: for the first-person view. [830.44] Sheila: They transmit the camera image back to your remote controller [833.44] Sheila: or to your bubbles, whatever. [836.44] Sheila: And, often, the limit on that, [838.44] Sheila: it's 5.8 GHz transmitter, [839.44] Sheila: and the limit is 55 milliwatts. [841.44] Sheila: You know, you're still... [842.44] Jack: Yeah, so it's 200, 100, 600, even 1 watt. [846.44] Sheila: Often, people want more power, [848.44] Sheila: so they can go further, so they can get a better video image, [850.44] Sheila: whatever it is. [851.44] Sheila: But the fact is, if you've got over 25 milliwatts [853.44] Sheila: on the 5.8 GHz band, [856.44] Sheila: you need a license from Ofcom. [858.44] Sheila: To not use a license and to use over 25 milliwatts [861.44] Sheila: is an offence into the Wildest Telegraph React 2006. [864.44] Jack: What kind of trouble can you get into hoping? [867.44] Sheila: Worst case scenario, [869.44] Sheila: £5,000 fine and six minutes in prison. [872.44] Sheila: So, it is... [874.44] Sheila: The license you spent is quite a serious fence. [878.44] Sheila: To my knowledge, [880.44] Sheila: it's not yet been used for a drone user, [884.44] Sheila: but that's what the offence would be [887.44] Sheila: and that's what the punishment could be. [889.44] Sheila: So, I suppose it's important to know, [891.44] Sheila: and people should take it seriously. [892.44] Sheila: The advice we give to consumers, more than anything, [894.44] Sheila: is speak to the manufacturer. [896.44] Sheila: We don't expect everyone to be an expert in radio law. [899.44] Sheila: So, speak to the manufacturer. [901.44] Sheila: The manufacturer should be able to guide you. [903.44] Sheila: They should be able to help you if they're a decent manufacturer. [905.44] Sheila: Yeah. [906.44] Jack: Ralph, can you, like, [909.44] Jack: as you go somewhere, remotely, [913.42] Jack: say somewhere, this place will give you a band-aid [915.42] Jack: in the middle of a clock, [917.42] Jack: so you can speak down into the nearest thing you can interfere with [923.14] Jack: in the shape. [925.14] Jack: Yeah, that's all that makes you do. [927.14] Jack: How do you go about... [929.14] Jack: So, you wouldn't be able to get an exemption. [935.78] Sheila: You would be getting the license. [937.78] Sheila: Once you get the license, [938.78] Sheila: you'd contact our Spectrum Licensing Team, [940.78] Sheila: or we have another team called Program Making and Special Events, [943.78] Sheila: and they deal with giving out licenses for special events. [946.78] Sheila: So, if you were having a competition on a weekend, for example, [948.78] Sheila: you could talk to them and they could arrange, [950.78] Sheila: help arrange all the licenses for the users, [952.78] Sheila: so everyone could use a Spectrum in that area on that weekend [955.78] Sheila: and it would all be fine. [957.78] Sheila: Regarding costs, unfortunately, I have no idea. [959.78] Sheila: I don't work for licensing, [960.78] Sheila: so I couldn't even give you a ballpark figure. [962.78] Jack: So, what do we do? [963.78] Jack: How can we Google the Spectrum Licensing Team? [965.78] Sheila: Yeah, see what comes up. [967.78] Sheila: And hopefully there should be something along there, [970.78] Sheila: particularly if you are doing, like, an event, [972.78] Sheila: Program Making and Special Events, [974.78] Sheila: off-com, Google that, [975.78] Sheila: they will be... [976.78] Sheila: They do have, like, a generic email address, [978.78] Sheila: but they check it... [979.78] Sheila: Like, when I talk to them, I email that generic email address [981.78] Sheila: and they get back to me pretty quickly, so... [984.78] Sheila: That's the way you go about that. [986.78] Jack: Yeah, no worries. [987.78] Jack: It would be really nice if they reached out, [989.78] Jack: you know, for, like, the hobbyists and enthusiasts [992.78] Jack: that kind of know what they're doing. [994.78] Jack: It would be really nice to be able to reach out and be like, [996.78] Jack: hey, do you want to use more powerful, [998.78] Jack: if you know you're being sensible, [1000.78] Jack: far out and in certain areas [1002.78] Jack: and make it slightly more accessible to be able to do that? [1006.78] Jack: I think a few people might jump on board to get a licensing. [1009.78] Jack: The facts. [1010.78] Jack: They want to be sensible. [1011.78] Sheila: Of course, we realise that people want to be legal [1013.78] Sheila: and that's why we're here, we're here to educate [1015.78] Sheila: and give people advice and pointers. [1017.78] Sheila: But the fact is, we do have limited resources [1019.78] Sheila: and there are loads of spectrum users, [1022.78] Sheila: not just hobbyists or drones. [1025.78] Jack: There's Wi-Fi as well. [1026.78] Jack: Yeah, exactly. [1027.78] Jack: I find that Wi-Fi. [1028.78] Jack: I mean, some of the Wi-Fi hubs, [1029.78] Jack: and, like, you can even get the 2.4 boosters on eBay [1032.78] Jack: and they output for what, apparently, is mental. [1036.78] Sheila: Yeah, so you have to be really careful with stuff like [1038.78] Sheila: games to copy eBay and things like that. [1039.78] Sheila: We do our best to get... [1041.78] Sheila: To police them. [1042.78] Sheila: To police them. [1043.78] Sheila: But there are different rules, [1044.78] Sheila: so manufacturers will be putting things on the market [1047.78] Sheila: and R&T regulations or the radio equipment directive, [1050.78] Sheila: depending on what's relevant. [1052.78] Sheila: And it's not illegal to put on the market [1056.78] Sheila: a transmitter, for example, in the 5.8 gig band. [1059.78] Sheila: It's not illegal to put on a transmitter. [1061.78] Sheila: As long as it's compliant, it's E-marked [1063.78] Sheila: and it's done all its testing. [1065.78] Sheila: If it's 600 milliwatts, that's not illegal. [1068.78] Sheila: It's not illegal to buy it. [1070.78] Jack: Not illegal to buy it? [1072.78] Jack: Check that out. [1073.78] Sheila: It's not illegal to have it. [1074.78] Sheila: It's only illegal to use it. [1076.78] Jae: It's not illegal to own cannabis seeds, [1078.78] Jae: but as soon as you plant them. [1079.78] Sheila: They see it on sale with a high power [1083.78] Sheila: and they're, like, a few more manufacturers, [1086.78] Sheila: so I'll buy it. [1087.78] Sheila: But the fact is, buying it's not illegal, selling it's not legal. [1090.78] Jae: Oh, wow. [1091.78] Jae: She does send people to sleep, doesn't she? [1093.78] Jack: I like that. [1094.78] Sheila: Is that a license? [1095.78] Jae: Yeah, I think Sheila is up against a tough crowd [1098.78] Jae: of people probably turning up there. [1100.78] Jae: Fair play to her, she explained it all. [1103.78] Jae: Can you fly your drone in prison if you go there for six months? [1106.78] Jae: I don't know. [1107.78] Jack: Yeah, Tony. [1108.78] Jack: Really? [1109.78] Jack: You got your little midchin? [1112.78] Jack: Shut up. [1113.78] Jack: One what? [1116.78] Jack: This is my friend, One What Tony. [1118.78] Jack: I'll tell you why he's called One What Tony, but... [1121.78] Jae: 1.2 what, isn't it? [1123.78] Tony: 1.2, yeah, 12. [1125.78] Jae: 12.50. [1126.78] Jae: I'd stop there if I was you, Tony. [1128.78] Tony: Is that a year in jail now? [1131.78] Jae: No, six months and £5,000 up to, up to. [1135.78] Jae: That is crazy, isn't it? [1137.78] Jae: What about 6,000 milliwatt cannabis season? [1141.78] Jae: GMAC FPV. [1143.78] Jack: Yeah, so I thought I'd just go over there and get them familiar with the name Tony. [1149.78] Jack: I'm not allowed to give her name because she's not a legal speaker on behalf of Ofcom, [1156.78] Jack: but I thought I'd just have a little chat with Shoah, Tony's photo. [1162.78] Jack: Did you ask for a number? [1164.78] Jack: This man, crime against humanity. [1169.78] Jae: You're hoping to get lucky. [1171.78] Jack: Hopefully, yeah, hopefully, like, you know, they'll make it more easier [1183.26] Jack: to be able to get licenses out to us so that we could use different milliwatt [1191.26] Jack: and maybe try and get Hidden Valley exempt. [1195.26] Jack: So when you go there, you can... [1197.26] Jack: Because there's nothing really around there, you know, and you're in a valley. [1202.26] Jack: But I was chatting to Painless and he said, apparently, you can use higher milliwatt [1212.26] Jack: as long as it doesn't leave the ground. [1214.26] Jack: So any of you guys are interested in, like, RC yachts or RC cars or anything, [1219.26] Jack: you know, you could use, like, 600 milliwatt. [1223.26] Jae: But there's also better frequencies for more penetrative signals if you use... [1227.26] Jae: What it's called, once you've gone airband or airwave, [1231.26] Jae: they're completely different kettle-efficient, different frequencies. [1235.26] Jae: So actually, if you stay on the ground, you can do a lot more anyway. [1239.26] Jae: Like, 1.3 or something around there, I think you can do. [1243.26] Jae: Because 1.3, you couldn't do it on an airband frequency. [1248.26] Jae: Yeah, well, hopefully, I mean, they've got to appreciate that this is an upcoming, you know, [1254.7] Jae: it's getting more mainstream, there's more races, we've got people into it, [1258.7] Jae: there's more users of the radio spectrum. [1261.7] Jae: So they have to make allowances. [1266.7] Jae: You know, we can show that we are prepared to work within the framework, Tony. [1272.7] Jae: Maybe they will, actually. [1274.7] Tony: Why am I getting blamed for this? All my quads are 21. [1278.7] Jae: No proclaimed, one what? [1280.7] Jack: Tony, yeah. [1282.7] Jack: Speaking of which, Tony, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on, [1286.7] Jack: because when I was doing all those recordings and stuff, where were you, Tony? [1290.7] Jack: Where were you in the back of the mystery machine? [1294.7] Jack: I've got a little clip for you guys, hang on, let me just... [1303.7] Jae: That means you're Shaggy, he's Scoob. [1306.7] Tony: I was laying in the back of Brad as his van, not feeling too well. [1311.7] Tony: Food poisoning from something, I don't know. [1314.7] Jae: On Sunday, not alcohol. [1316.7] Tony: OK, it was alcohol. [1320.7] Tony: I was not... I was bad. [1324.7] Tony: Sunday, I was bad. [1326.7] Tony: The older you get, the harder it is to get over hangover, I tell you. [1330.7] Tony: It was not very nice. [1336.07] Tony: But I had a great bloody time getting drunk. [1342.07] Tony: Jack, whatever you're putting on, please... [1347.07] Jae: Don't let it be me. [1350.07] Jae: It was carnage. Tony is currently asleep in the back of the van. [1353.07] Jae: Yeah, you do. [1355.07] Jae: It's kind of a bitch. [1357.07] Jack: But I have got stuff. [1362.02] Jack: You go to a hotel and I'll put my arm round it, reception, and I'm like, [1369.42] Jack: I'll come on, Tony, it'll be lovely. [1372.42] Jack: What Tony doesn't realise is that it's only gay if he pushes back. [1385.73] Jack: Surely that's more gay than pretending to be gay. [1389.73] Jae: Did we not get that recorded, Jack? [1394.73] Tony: I love you, man. I told you I loved it. [1400.42] Tony: Yeah, I remember. I was pretty wasted then. [1403.42] Jae: So I do believe the Timtoile hat, which if you haven't seen, is a hat that seems to make it to some of these events. [1408.42] Jae: I believe it was at the UK Drone Show. Is that right? [1411.42] Tony: It done the round. [1413.42] Jae: Do we have a picture of this so we can show people? [1416.42] Jack: I don't. I've got... [1419.42] Jae: Maybe we could watch the love for Christmas present. [1422.42] Jack: Yeah, I'm thinking about releasing Timtoile hats as like, you know, a Let's Drone Out. [1429.42] Tony: Yeah, it would help the show. We could spend some more money on a few more bits and bobs. [1437.42] Jack: We've also got Let's Drone Out stickers. [1442.42] Jack: There he is with a Timtoile hat. [1444.42] Jack: Oh, yeah. [1447.42] Tony: What, a few people had that on their head Saturday night? [1451.42] Jack: Painless of me, Timtoile hat. [1454.42] Tony: The LDO hat got around. [1456.42] Jae: It has actually kept its shape despite travelling hundreds of miles. [1461.42] Jack: No, I made a new one when I got there. [1464.42] Jack: It had to survive for a week then. [1466.42] Jae: It should have kept its story as though it's absorbed all this radiation in all these fields and now it gets more powerful. [1472.42] Jack: So, yeah, what did you get up to, Jay? [1476.42] Jack: Because I gave you a ticket and that's the last I ever saw of you. [1480.42] Jack: Well, we tried to find you. I met up with Adam. [1483.42] Jae: I mean, I wanted to go around and meet half the spies I hadn't met. [1489.42] Jae: Got a couple of batteries and stuff and just soaked it up. [1492.42] Jae: I tried to watch some of the racing but I was probably spending badly time to get most of that done. [1497.42] Jae: Saw a couple. [1499.42] Jack: Yeah. What did N.J. get up to? Did he get any more stuff to review? [1504.42] Jae: Oh, yeah. He's a monster with it. [1507.42] Jae: I think he might have more stuff to review coming up soon. [1510.42] Jae: So, check out his channel. [1512.42] Jae: I know he's coming weeks and months. [1514.42] Tony: Pretty sure he's going to do a Revo frame review from fossil. [1517.42] Jae: You know, the N.J. The J must be something Irish or something. [1522.42] Jae: He's got the gifted gab to get this stuff. [1525.42] Jack: No way. Frank's in the chat. [1528.42] Jack: Whoa. [1529.42] Jae: He's on the wrong side. [1531.42] Jae: Yeah. Come on, Frank. Come back. [1533.42] Jack: What do you want? [1535.42] Jack: Can we not invite him in? [1537.42] Jack: No, I know. [1539.42] Jack: Send me a Facebook message, Frank. [1541.42] Jack: It's sunny here, windy and raining. [1543.42] Jack: I visited the Menace RC, guys. [1549.42] Jack: And I've got a patch antenna. [1552.42] Jack: Hang on a minute. I'm just trying to find... [1556.42] Jack: So, there you go. [1557.42] Jack: And I've stuck a little LDO sticker over the Menace. [1560.42] Jack: Oh, that's wrong. [1561.42] Jack: Sorry, guys. [1562.42] Jack: I should have moved it to the other side, really, thinking about that. [1566.42] Jack: I have to throw that away now. [1568.42] Jack: You have to throw it away. [1570.42] Jack: Hang on. I'll move the sticker over to the other side. [1573.42] Jack: Live on air. Yeah. Awesome. [1575.42] Jack: These stickers are really... Yeah. [1577.42] Jack: So, if you want a let's throw an outstick. [1580.42] Jae: You can never remove them. [1582.42] Jae: Don't stick them to your skin, because you'll have to have it physically grabbed. [1585.42] Jae: You know, removed by grab. [1587.42] Jae: I know. [1589.42] Tony: That's a neat damn outstick, isn't it? [1591.42] Tony: Yeah. [1592.42] Tony: Maybe graphics. [1594.42] Jack: There you go. That's a bit better. [1596.42] Jack: I don't know. [1598.42] Jack: Yeah, sorry. Share the patch. [1600.42] Jack: So, yeah, that's a new bit. [1602.42] Jack: And I bought a video aerial systems pepper box, as well. [1607.42] Tony: Ready for that. [1608.42] Tony: A green one. [1609.42] Jack: Yep. Peer flight. [1611.42] Jack: What else did I see that I checked out? [1615.42] Jack: CJLtechUK is a little infrared floodlight that you can attach to your quad for night flying. [1629.42] Jack: And it gives out... [1631.42] Tony: Really good, doesn't it? [1633.42] Jack: Yeah, I'm keeping you awake, are we, Tony? [1635.42] Jack: Loads of people will notice me in the chat, and I might sigh at you. [1638.42] Jae: So, that works better with the infrared sensitive cameras. [1642.42] Jae: Yeah. [1643.42] Jae: Don't get an IR block camera and expect it to work. [1646.42] Jae: It does work. [1648.42] Jae: Tony, watch me. [1650.42] Jae: What, with an IR block? [1652.42] Tony: No, I'm saying it does work better with what you're saying on the infrared one. [1657.42] Jack: Just ignore Tony. [1659.42] Jack: Tony. [1661.42] Tony: Shut up. [1663.42] Jack: I'm trying to make him yawn. [1665.42] Jae: How much sugar have you had today, Jack? [1667.42] Jack: Not much. [1669.42] Jack: So, I'm a bit dehydrated, I feel a bit... [1673.42] Jack: I've got like a little bit of a dehydration headache. [1676.42] Jack: Tony Thomas Greer, he was not in the best of moods when he saw that I would sit with him. [1682.42] Jack: Volume is low. [1686.42] Jack: I know, I'm sorry. [1688.42] Jack: People don't want to be linked, or they don't want to be regulated by idiots. [1692.42] Jack: What about 600 milliwatt cannabis seeds? [1695.42] Jack: That's quite funny. [1698.42] Jack: I need to... Oh, hang on. [1700.42] Tony: I think our website is... [1703.42] Tony: I think Brad has just texted me and said that he's sorted out. [1706.42] Tony: So, people can just go straight to Let's Drone Our website every Thursday, [1712.42] Tony: and there will be a link from there straight to us. [1716.42] Tony: So, have a look at it. [1719.42] Tony: Let's Drone Our website. [1722.42] Tony: Please check it out. [1725.42] Jack: Yeah, if you want some stickers, [1728.42] Jack: email me, brightentifly at gmail.com, [1735.42] Jack: and I will send you some out. [1738.42] Jack: That is awesome, who did that? [1742.42] Jack: That you, Tony? [1745.42] Tony: Definitely, I'm not very good at art. [1748.42] Jack: Jay, did you do that? [1750.42] Jae: Sorry, I couldn't read it. [1752.42] Jae: David went back to the 600 milliwatt cannabis seeds again. [1755.42] Jack: Do be out there. [1757.42] Tony: We haven't got bloody Bradder's on here at the moment. [1760.42] Jack: I know. [1762.42] Tony: That's his cool side. [1764.42] Jack: He's animated the smoke as well. [1767.42] Jack: He did do. [1769.42] Jack: Bradder's... [1771.42] Tony: Bradder's, if you're listening, can you hear me? [1773.42] Tony: Can you just text me? [1775.42] Tony: Is it lit? [1777.42] Tony: Yes. [1779.42] Jack: Yes. [1781.42] Jack: That is hilarious. [1783.42] Tony: So, it's going to be from there all the time. [1786.42] Jack: So, Tony, a bit of controversial thing to bring up about who won the race. [1792.42] Tony: Are you bringing that up, are you? [1796.99] Jae: Sounds like you just did. [1798.99] Jae: Do you not want to talk about it, Tony? [1803.53] Tony: No. [1805.53] Jae: Sorry, somebody won a race so it's contested and we're moving along. [1808.53] Jack: Okay. [1810.53] Jack: Who designed the track? [1816.53] Jack: I was just saying. [1819.53] Tony: Sometimes you're a complete muppet, aren't you? [1822.53] Jack: Yeah. [1826.53] Jack: Yeah, totally. [1828.53] Jack: Oh man, my ears are still hurt after being blown out by my... [1834.53] Jack: What else went on? [1836.53] Jack: I got to hang out with Painless. [1839.53] Jack: That was quite a cool... [1844.87] Jack: He got me a little ear sheen as a little Christmas present. [1848.87] Jack: And I've got to change the flight control board. [1855.87] Jack: But yeah, I get to join the Tiny Whoop crew, I think, now. [1861.87] Tony: I don't know what the fuck's happened to that. [1864.87] Jack: Let Tony join there, Jack. [1867.87] Jack: Tony, thank you for not only drawing over me, but then... [1872.87] Jae: You didn't really work on mine. [1874.87] Jae: Yeah, technically that is a swear, so really, I think I said to you. [1878.87] Tony: I'm sorry, you're the first. [1880.87] Tony: Can we timestamp this, please? [1882.87] Jack: No, that's it, well done, Tony. [1884.87] Jack: It's always you, isn't it? [1886.87] Jack: It's always you who, like, ruined things. [1889.87] Jae: There were RC cars, I couldn't get over how many cars there were there at the drone show. [1893.87] Jae: And the one that was drifting was pretty cool, but let's drive out. [1900.87] Tony: I think I'm going to leave and go on, let's drive out. [1904.87] Jae: Why? [1906.87] Tony: Because of that Goliath, where? [1911.87] Jack: Look, I'm your best thing ever, whenever something needs to get fixed. [1919.87] Jack: And then once I fixed it, that's it. [1921.87] Tony: Yeah, I ignore you for the rest of the week. [1924.87] Jae: Did you try any of the sims out there? [1926.87] Jae: That Velocitrone looked pretty good, how it was basically based on a beta flight, or clean flight, wasn't it? [1933.87] Jae: And that was a sort of flight control system, so technically the physics should be quite realistic. [1939.87] Jae: I know NJ could actually buy it on the others. [1942.87] Jack: Is that Ray's sim? [1946.87] Jae: The one that was over towards the side for the black and orange logo? [1951.87] Tony: I think it is, Ray, isn't it? [1953.87] Jae: Yeah, yeah, great sim. [1955.87] Jack: You know, because they ran the Formula FPV sim, and it's a sim that you can download and... [1964.87] Jae: Oh, maybe it's not the same one then. [1967.87] Jae: I was waiting for it to go on that one. [1970.87] Jae: But I thought they were releasing it free for a bit. [1973.87] Jack: Yeah, I believe you still can get it. [1979.87] Jack: What else has been going on the news? [1981.87] Jack: Yeah, a couple of guys went flying in Hyde Park, and some deranged woman. [1988.87] Jack: She can only be described as, was like, what was it? [1993.87] Jack: What was it? My uncle was a detective or something? [1998.87] Jae: No, no, no, technically it wasn't Hyde Park. [2001.87] Jae: It was Hyde Park. [2003.87] Jae: Somewhere in Birmingham. [2005.87] Jae: Yeah, and this crazy lady, her father was a detective. [2010.87] Jae: She was effing and blinding. [2013.87] Jack: Well, mate, has anyone got the link to that? [2016.87] Jae: Um, somewhere. [2019.87] Jack: It was made on the Daily Mail. [2022.87] Jae: Birmingham, I think it was Birmingham Tramp or something, wasn't it? [2025.87] Jack: Yeah. [2028.87] Jack: A main point of her being really unsatisfied was that her dog could hear it. [2037.87] Jack: Yeah. [2040.87] Tony: My dog could probably hear it from here. [2044.87] Jack: Yeah. [2046.87] Jack: What else did I like? [2048.87] Jack: You only stopped because I came over here. [2051.87] Jack: You're not going to be doing it. [2053.87] Jack: One of the pilots was from East Sussex, and she told him to... [2057.87] Jae: Go back to East Sussex. [2060.87] Jae: Yeah, that's it. [2062.87] Jae: I know, so... [2064.87] Jae: Okay, I've got the link for it. It looks like one of the original uploaders. [2068.87] Jack: So, um... [2072.87] Jack: Jay, if you can play a bit of audio from it, if you don't mind. [2076.87] Tony: It's just full of swearing, Jack. [2078.87] Tony: You'll be able to do so much editing. [2080.87] Jack: Oh, yeah, true. [2082.87] Jack: It's almost worth doing. [2086.87] Jack: Can you imagine? [2090.87] Tony: That's all it would be. [2092.87] Tony: When people listen to this, this back won't hear anything but... [2095.87] Jae: Some work safe in WS. [2098.87] Jae: Yeah. [2100.87] Jae: It's so funny. [2102.87] Jae: It looks like Frank beat me to it. [2104.87] Jae: Frank, you're on the wrong side still. [2106.87] Jae: I know. Sort it out. [2109.87] Jack: It has his internet out, yeah. [2111.87] Jack: MarkG underscore R1 underscore MPV channel. [2119.87] Jack: She was a silly... She was a silly ditch. [2122.87] UNKNOWN: No. [2124.87] Jack: That's funny. [2126.87] Jack: GMAT pretty much sold out. [2132.25] Jack: Reviewing it soon, pretty good. [2134.25] Jack: Too many cats. Did you see the drone zone stand? [2137.25] Jack: I did not see the drone zone stand. [2141.25] Jack: What the hell? [2143.25] Jack: Just email me some stickers and I'll send them out. [2147.25] Jae: By the way, Tony, have you tried those RaceCraft props yet? [2151.25] Tony: No, I haven't. I'm looking forward to trying them Sunday because we are hitting Hidden Valley Sunday. [2157.25] Tony: That's if the famous Jack can fix my quad. [2162.25] Tony: I don't know. He's losing his touch now. [2166.25] Jack: Why is he losing his touch? [2168.25] Jack: I'm good enough to fix boilers that I've never... [2173.25] Jack: The thing is with fixing Tony's boiler is it's messing with gas, water and electricity at all the same time. [2182.25] Jae: There we go. Hold that up. Show everyone the Revo. [2185.25] Tony: It's in bits but it is my Revo. [2188.25] Jack: If you buy a Revo, it won't look as bad as this. [2194.25] Tony: You've got to remember this has been test flown and crashed quite a lot. [2199.25] Jack: Tony owns this. [2202.25] Jack: Normally the flight controller wouldn't be hanging off and flapping in the wind. [2208.25] Jack: That's one of the key features. [2212.25] Jack: The hardest part is trying to get an ACC calibration like that. [2216.25] Jack: But luckily you can 3D it. [2221.25] Tony: See how we've seen the motor stands, Jay? [2225.25] Tony: I got them anodized. [2229.25] Jae: No, not ionized. Anodized. [2232.25] Tony: That's because I used the ionized water. [2236.25] Jack: Are you still anemic, Tony? [2238.25] Tony: Yes, very anemic. [2241.25] Tony: Only around you though. [2245.25] Jae: A long time ago you could get some tin foil, a high voltage transformer and a piece of copper wire and make a tin foil triangle float using ionization of the air around it to produce lift. [2258.25] Jae: Unfortunately your Revo does not do that. [2261.25] Tony: Doesn't. [2263.25] Tony: But when it works it's bloody fast. [2266.25] Jae: When you are playing with 25,000 volts. [2269.25] Jack: So yeah, if you notice they've turned the arms, not this way, but that way. [2275.25] Jack: And then you get to use all your thrust. [2278.25] Tony: That's it. [2280.25] Tony: Tony likes thrust. [2282.25] Jae: I love thrust. [2285.82] Jae: You love thrust. Let me share this ionic craft they're called. [2291.82] Jae: Please explain, Jay. [2294.82] Jae: This is what you can do. 25,000 volts. [2297.82] Jae: Basically, yeah, you can make things fly with lots of electricity. [2301.82] Tony: Yeah, I'm sure you could. [2303.82] Tony: I bet if I put a 25,000, 7,000 whatever volts into Jack's arse it'd be ****. [2308.82] Tony: Oh, I just swore. [2310.82] Jae: You've definitely done the editing for this week now. [2314.82] Jae: Oh yeah. [2315.82] Tony: Sorry, Jack. [2316.82] Tony: This is just a way back for you being an arse. [2319.82] Tony: Am I allowed to say arse? [2321.82] Tony: No, you're not allowed tailoring anymore, Tony. [2324.82] Tony: Okay, I'll shut up. [2327.82] Jack: What did you guys see that you might, you know, you kind of like the look of? [2334.82] Jack: A car. [2336.82] Jack: UK drone show. A car. [2338.82] Jae: No, no, it was actually the thug frame stuff. [2341.82] Jae: The one with the kind of dihedral built into it. That's pretty interesting. [2344.82] Jae: I felt sorry. [2346.82] Jae: I've been in the small cramped space they had. [2349.82] Jack: Yeah, they were out over the bank, hidden away. [2352.82] Jack: They were on the next cliff. [2355.82] Jae: But you would get it from the... [2357.82] Jae: You'd get the traffic from the race side of things. [2361.82] Jae: Yeah. [2362.82] Jae: Yeah. [2365.82] Jae: Yeah. [2367.82] Jae: No, I thought it was an odd shape, actually, to be honest. [2370.82] Jae: It's an odd shape. [2371.82] Tony: It was a bit odd shape. [2374.82] Jae: Yeah, but it sounds promising. [2376.82] Jae: I mean, they built it. [2377.82] Jae: They didn't have ESCs built in, did it? [2379.82] Jae: But it had OSDN... [2382.82] Jae: What was it? [2384.82] Jae: I can't remember. [2386.82] Jae: All I remember is it looked odd. [2388.82] Jae: It looked like it came out of a Chinese toy, [2390.82] Jae: because they're usually misshaped boards to fit. [2394.82] Tony: The Revo is going for a world record speed test tomorrow. [2399.82] Tony: Antigrav Chris Weston is doing a 6S speed test on the Revo. [2408.82] Tony: I think... [2409.82] Tony: I mean, we've hit 100 mile an hour already, so I think we're easy. [2415.82] Tony: Who is we? [2417.82] Tony: When we were testing, we'd done 100 mile an hour with the Revo. [2422.82] Tony: And we've got that on camera and video and stuff. [2425.82] Tony: And I think at the moment, the fastest speed is 123, I believe. [2433.82] Jae: I think it's actually the speed limit, you know? [2437.82] Tony: Is there? Well, we're going to break it. [2439.82] Jae: Basically, 70 knots, you're not allowed to... [2441.82] Jae: In level flight, not exceeding 70 knots. [2444.82] Jae: I suppose technically not level flight, you're flying forward, [2447.82] Jae: but there is actually a speed limit on UAVs. [2450.82] Tony: It's never level, is it? It's not like that. It's doing that. [2454.82] Jae: That's what you have to say when you stood up in court. [2457.82] Jae: Oh, no, it was actually level flight. It was forward flight. [2461.82] Jae: I mean, they probably changed that, because that's... [2466.82] Jae: The police are now going to start giving you speeding tickets [2469.82] Jae: for your points on your drone license. [2471.82] Jack: They should. I'm dropping serious hints over the Ofcom. [2478.82] Jae: It's not their remit. They're only the transmission of the signal. [2482.82] Jae: I mean, the actual physical speed would be a policing matter, I'm sure. [2486.82] Jack: I know. I need to put up pictures of Tony and just be like, [2489.82] Jack: arrest this man? [2492.82] Jae: So far, someone hasn't been able to set off a speed camera with a 130 [2495.82] Jae: despite going over the speed limit. [2497.82] Jae: They're too small, I think. [2499.82] Jack: Well, apparently, eagles and stuff like that, [2501.82] Jack: like birds set them off, [2503.82] Jack: and the shutters at the back of fans and stuff, you know, as they rattle. [2511.82] Jae: Maybe it's something to do with the props absorbing... [2514.82] Jae: I don't know. [2516.82] Jae: Well, maybe we need to test with the permission. [2520.82] Jae: Go lower. [2522.82] Jae: Has anyone done it in the chat? [2524.82] Tony: Let us know. [2526.82] Tony: That'd be pretty cool to do, wouldn't it? [2528.82] Jack: I've always wanted to give it a go, but it is naughty. [2536.44] Jack: Do you know what I mean? [2538.44] Jack: And they'll have photographic evidence of you being a dog. [2541.44] Jae: We won't hold it on. [2543.44] Tony: No. [2545.44] Jae: But, you know, the surveillance investigators, [2547.44] Jae: I was actually just to see it anyway, so be careful. [2551.44] Jack: Want to mention events coming up? [2553.44] Jack: Pop'em Drone Show on the 17th, [2556.44] Jack: Rota Racing at the Triangle on the 18th. [2559.44] Jack: December? [2561.44] UNKNOWN: Yep. [2562.44] Tony: What was that? [2563.44] Tony: It's indoor and one-out going in. [2565.44] Jack: Yep, Burgess Hill Triangle. [2567.44] Jae: There's a very tiny one in Bedfordshire, a little drone workshop, [2571.44] Jae: so if you wanted to build something, [2572.44] Jae: there is something over in Cambridge sort of way. [2574.44] Jae: Have a drone workshop. [2576.44] Jae: That's the one I know. [2580.72] Jae: But it's the grid, isn't it? [2582.72] Jae: There's too many people needing to still shop for presents, don't they? [2586.72] Jack: Yep. [2587.72] Jack: I still haven't got my hands on a Raptor antenna yet. [2592.72] Jack: I think Tony's getting it. [2594.72] Tony: I forgot to buy one, actually. [2596.72] Tony: I was supposed to buy one and I completely forgot. [2600.72] Tony: I think it was because we were not feeling too great on the Sunday. [2604.72] Jack: I know. [2605.72] Jack: You did not know what was going on. [2608.72] Jack: Did anyone take advantage of that? [2610.72] Jack: A lot of people were like, [2611.72] Jack: why is he the same colour as his jumper? [2619.72] Tony: That was so bad. [2621.72] Jack: Tony's not feeling very well. [2623.72] Jack: Tony's not really feeling himself anymore. [2626.72] Tony: Right. [2627.72] Tony: I didn't feel better until 9 o'clock that evening. [2632.72] Jack: I mean, I mean, chats with hopefully Tom Smith will come on the show. [2642.72] Jack: Mr Clean Flight, Dominic Clifton will come on the show. [2645.72] Jack: Two main people. [2647.72] Jack: I did some serious nagging. [2650.72] Jack: So I've had one message off. [2656.72] Jae: There's going to be some carrot in there as well. [2661.41] Jae: Everyone has carrot in there. [2664.41] Jack: Sorry. [2665.41] Jack: Andrew Newton as well. [2666.41] Jack: I was trying to get some fixed wing love off him. [2669.41] Tony: Was he there? [2671.41] Jack: No. [2672.41] Jack: I'll just be on Skype chatting with him. [2674.41] Tony: Is that the kitchen table? [2676.41] Jack: No. [2677.41] Tony: No, no, no. [2679.41] Jack: That's Simon. [2681.41] Jack: That's Simon Newton, [2683.41] Jack: but now it's a new guy and I forgot his name, but he's lovely. [2687.41] Jack: You know, it's just a bit weird watching his... [2692.41] Jack: So I remember seeing him. [2693.41] Jack: I was like, it's not the same without you, man, [2695.41] Jack: because it's really weird watching his intro and then it not be him. [2700.41] Jack: You know? [2701.41] Jack: So, I mean, I'm still subscribed, [2704.41] Jack: and there's a lot less DJI stuff, [2706.41] Jack: which makes me not want to kill myself. [2710.41] Jack: Yeah. [2711.41] Jack: Jay. [2712.41] Jack: Yeah. [2713.41] Jack: You and Adam are going to start your own show, apparently. [2716.41] Jae: Yeah. [2717.41] Jae: I think once we've got this Christmas monarchy out of the way, [2720.41] Jae: we've got a bit more time. [2721.41] Jae: Yeah. [2722.41] Jae: We're going to just start something. [2723.41] Jae: This is going to cater for things that are more commercial UAV [2727.41] Jae: and things that aren't really racist. [2730.41] Jae: So, yeah, it should be interesting. [2732.41] Jae: We're going to see what happens with that. [2733.41] Jae: Here we go. [2734.41] Jae: We'll announce it on here before it actually happens. [2737.41] Jae: But we did a little get-together at the drone show [2739.41] Jae: to discuss some ideas and things. [2740.41] Jae: Because, I mean, there's a lot of people out there [2742.41] Jae: that are looking for drones and things like that, [2743.41] Jae: that are looking for aerial platforms and farming aspects of it. [2747.41] Jae: So it's going to be kind of a news and a broad news [2749.41] Jae: of tech around UAV, not just racing. [2752.41] Tony: Are we going to be allowed on your show? [2754.41] Jae: Tiny personal problems. [2755.41] Jae: Yeah, of course we are. [2756.41] Jae: Woodcopter is going to make this special. [2758.41] Jae: You know, DIY, aerial platform is on a budget. [2760.41] Jae: Woodcopter will get on there. [2762.41] Tony: I know. [2763.41] Jae: You've got a hexacopter anyway that you've been trying to sell [2765.41] Tony: for two years, haven't you? [2766.41] Tony: Oh, that thing. [2767.41] Tony: I've just given up. [2768.41] Tony: I'm going to take the bits off it and put it on my plane, I think. [2771.41] Tony: Turn to the GPS. [2773.41] Jack: Tone. [2774.41] Tony: Well, your own on the floor. [2775.41] Tony: I was around there the other day. [2776.41] Tony: Look down and there's one on the floor. [2778.41] Tony: Use that one. [2779.41] Tony: It's not the same. [2780.41] Jae: What's the love? [2781.41] Jae: What's the love? [2782.41] Jae: I'm thinking about selling my QAV540G. [2787.41] Jae: I don't use it as much anymore. [2789.41] Jack: So we're going to arrange a special episode where me and Tony are [2793.41] Jack: going to get married. [2796.41] Jae: Can I be the unofficial minister or the humanist? [2799.41] Jae: You have a humanist wedding. [2801.41] Jae: Humanist. [2802.41] Jack: Yeah. [2803.41] Jack: So all you've got to do is go to the Life Church website, [2807.41] Jack: fill out the form and wait for your... [2810.41] Jack: I can do it. [2811.41] Jack: And then print off your thing. [2813.41] Jack: Jay's going to marry me and Tony. [2815.41] Jae: Yeah. [2816.41] Jae: Excellent. [2817.41] Jae: Is that January or is that December? [2820.41] Jack: No, just before December. [2821.41] Jack: It's going to be our special Christmas show. [2823.41] Jack: I've got to check out when the last... [2825.41] Jack: The Life Church. [2826.41] Tony: It's not joking either, are you, Jay? [2829.41] Tony: I thought you were making me do stuff. [2832.41] Jae: Can I fly a drone into one of your heads like that wedding video? [2836.41] Jae: Sure thing, Joe. [2837.41] Tony: Into his, he won't feel a thing. [2840.41] Jack: You might get tangled in your hair, Jay. [2842.41] Jack: Yeah. [2843.41] Jack: Well, I need a new haircut. [2845.41] Jack: Hang on. [2846.41] Tony: Actually, can we cut your hair with a Revo upside down? [2850.41] Jae: No. [2851.41] Jae: Have you not seen this one yet? [2852.41] Jae: She tried to cut hair with a drone, so it didn't work. [2855.41] Jae: It did not work. [2856.41] Jae: That's a problem, yeah. [2858.41] Jae: It was quite a funny video. [2861.41] Jack: Yeah. [2862.41] Tony: I think that'd be good. [2864.41] Jack: UK drone show. [2866.41] Jack: So, yeah, the 22nd is going to be the wedding show. [2871.41] Jack: So, save that in your diary. [2873.41] Jack: We need to invite all our friends. [2876.41] Jack: And family. [2878.41] Jack: Yeah, and family if you want. [2880.41] Jack: I might get my mum... [2881.41] Tony: Why aren't we getting married? [2883.41] Jack: Because I fix your stuff. [2885.41] Jack: You said it. [2886.41] Jae: That was... [2888.41] Jae: I mean, we've seen it. [2889.41] Jae: All the people that have been tuning into the show have seen the love develop over the year. [2893.41] Jae: And how now you can't live without each other. [2895.41] Jae: And when you're not actually in the same place, you have to get so annoyed at each other. [2898.41] Jae: That's why you're getting married. [2900.41] Jack: Tony, are you... [2903.41] Jack: I never... [2904.41] Tony: He did fix my van. [2907.41] Tony: My van got frozen. [2910.41] Tony: My heater didn't turn on. [2912.41] Tony: So, my thermostat didn't work. [2914.41] Tony: And it might kind of froze up. [2916.41] Tony: So, I had to drive down to the jacks because I know he had a fan heater. [2920.41] Tony: So, we run extension cables out of my van and left it plugged in for about two hours. [2925.41] Tony: Which forward all the pipes out and everything. [2928.41] Tony: But I turned the wall back on and it started leaking from my boiler. [2933.41] Tony: And I was like, oh my god, I can't get one of the knees for about 14 days. [2937.41] Tony: If you fix this, I'll marry you. [2940.41] Tony: Didn't it? [2943.41] Tony: So, we took the whole border out of my van and everything. [2947.41] Tony: And now he's holding this against me. [2949.41] Jae: All I can say, Tony, is careful what you wish for. [2953.41] Tony: Yep. [2954.41] Jack: I know. [2955.41] Jack: I just... [2956.41] Jack: There's nothing quite like marrying someone who's homophobic. [2960.41] Jae: Well, not only that, but you should be best friends if you're getting married. [2964.41] Jae: So, you're perfect, right? [2968.41] Jack: Who are you going to get as your bridesmaids, Tony? [2973.41] Tony: Jay. [2974.41] Jack: Julie FPV. [2976.41] Jack: Jay, you can't be a bridesmaid because Jay is the minister. [2980.41] Tony: I want to pluck Jay's hair. [2982.41] Jae: You can pluck my hair and I'll be minister still. [2984.41] Jae: But no, no, Julie FPV. [2986.41] Jae: Zoe FPV. [2989.41] Tony: You have to fly Zoe over. [2993.41] Jae: Yeah. [2994.41] Jae: And Julie. [2996.41] Tony: That's going to cost you to Jack. [2998.41] Tony: I haven't seen my reading. [3000.41] Jae: You shouldn't put a price on the cost of a wedding for you two. [3003.41] Jae: It's no expense fair, surely. [3005.41] Jae: It's my special type. [3012.97] Jae: Tight, Tony. [3017.97] Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to get Chad to write a speech. [3021.97] Jae: So, who's housing going to move into? [3023.97] Jae: Jack's flat or your house there, Tony? [3026.97] Tony: No one's moving anywhere. [3032.41] Jack: I love how annoying he is. [3034.41] Tony: It's going to be a long-range relationship. [3036.41] Jae: He's actually really looking forward to this. [3040.41] Jae: You can tell him the tone of his voice. [3044.41] Jae: Have you told your parents yet? [3047.41] Jack: That you're marrying a guy? [3052.75] Jack: I'm marrying a Jack. [3054.75] Jae: A big cuddly, pretty bad cat Jack. [3056.75] Jack: You could have done a lot worse, Tony. [3058.75] Jack: A lot worse. [3059.75] Jae: Yeah. [3060.75] Jae: And he'll look like he quads. [3062.75] Jae: Slave away every day while you're out working. [3065.75] Tony: That's that one, aren't we? [3067.75] Tony: He might fix that one. [3068.75] Tony: He's useless. [3069.75] Jae: Yeah, but you can cook as well. [3071.75] Jae: I can't. [3072.75] Tony: He can't cook. [3073.75] Jack: He's got a sandwich, Joe. [3075.75] Jack: Joe, I want you to let the listeners know, [3078.75] Jack: what was waiting for you with the ticket? [3082.75] Jae: There was a bag of chocolate buns which actually went down a treat. [3085.75] Jae: Thank you, Jack. [3087.75] Jae: Not just a small bag of giant buns. [3090.75] Jack: Unopened, unmolested, genuine, everyone likes a bit of rough. [3100.75] Jae: And now I have diabetes. [3104.75] Jae: No, that was a welcome way. [3107.75] Jack: Yeah, it was a pleasure, my friend. [3110.75] Jack: Thank you for sharing your biscuits, man. [3112.75] Jack: They were coming to you. [3114.75] Tony: Is there any more questions in the chat, Jack? [3119.75] Tony: Wedding gift, Tony? [3120.75] Tony: What do you want? [3121.75] Jack: Are you going to write off a little wedding gift? [3123.75] Jack: Yeah, that's a good idea. [3124.75] Jack: That's the other bonus of getting married. [3127.75] Jae: And you're going to have a quad together, [3129.75] Jae: or are you going to have like one true into the hip or something? [3132.75] Jae: A quad. [3133.75] Jack: Well, you can attach some cans with some string on the Revo [3137.75] Jack: and run it down the path. [3140.75] Jae: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, [3142.75] Jae: we'll do that with a few phantoms. [3144.75] Jae: Dom's got one and I've got one. [3146.75] Jae: So we can get that underway. [3148.75] Jae: And then we'll film it at the same time. [3150.75] Jae: We've got the tingling, tingling. [3152.75] Jae: It's going to be a good day, guys. [3153.75] Jae: Look forward to it. [3154.75] Tony: All right, all right. [3155.75] Tony: I think we're taking this a bit too far. [3158.75] Jack: He hates it, he hates it. [3163.75] Tony: Jay, who have you lived to so far away? [3166.75] Tony: Because we're flying on Sunday, isn't there? [3168.75] Jae: I know. [3169.75] Jae: I have a prior commitment to go cuddling with lasers [3172.75] Jae: and flying indoors at a library somewhere. [3177.75] Jae: It's an indoor flash drone workshop. [3180.75] Jae: Oh, yeah. [3181.75] Jae: Yeah, that should be quite good. [3182.75] Jae: So otherwise, we'd be done there. [3183.75] Jae: I haven't been down there in months [3185.75] Jae: and it was my second home for the summer. [3187.75] Tony: It was, wasn't it? [3188.75] Tony: You were like moved in on there with your tent [3191.75] Jae: every time I turned up you there. [3194.75] Jae: Yeah. [3195.75] Jae: Oh, it's an awesome spot. [3196.75] Jae: And don't forget, I think they're chasing up invoices. [3198.75] Jae: I'll do a little bit for Hidden Valley. [3200.75] Tony: Yeah. [3201.75] Jae: If you haven't got any old invoices, [3203.75] Jae: you may have got an email or not, [3204.75] Jae: but they're just trying to finalise it all for the year. [3207.75] Jae: And I think moving to next year, [3209.75] Jae: fresh and oxidative and balanced. [3212.75] Jae: So I think there's a few outstanding. [3215.75] Jae: But it's an awesome spot. [3216.75] Jae: And I'm looking forward to spring camping down there, [3218.75] Jae: summer camping, autumn camping. [3220.75] Tony: Oh, summer, I can't wait. [3222.75] Tony: Are we going to do a bigger and better LDO games this next year? [3225.75] Jae: Yeah, I think we are. [3227.75] Jae: I think, obviously, after this weekend, [3230.75] Jae: the next big thing is usually May [3232.75] Jae: with the International Drone Day. [3234.75] Jae: And I think we use something like that as a venue [3236.75] Jae: for running some LDO games then. [3240.75] Tony: Yeah, we do need to sort something out [3243.75] Tony: for International Drone Day. [3244.75] Tony: I don't think Dom... [3246.75] Jae: No, I mean, it's a lot of work for Dom. [3249.75] Jae: He's done an excellent job for the last couple of years. [3251.75] Jae: But he wants a year off, I don't understand a bit. [3255.75] Jae: So who wants to be a Michael Evers of the drone world? [3258.75] Jack: I might do it if... [3262.75] Jae: The thing is, it's basically... [3264.75] Jae: What it is, is there's a... [3266.75] Jae: It's often good to be run by the community for the community [3269.75] Jae: because then everyone can share the load [3271.75] Jae: and it's not down to one person. [3273.75] Jae: And Frank at the LDO again was an amazing job. [3277.75] Jae: So I think if we all pitch together in the community, [3282.75] Jae: you know, something special. [3287.03] Jae: Right, let's chat about that. [3289.03] Jae: And if anyone... [3291.03] Jae: Send us a message or something. [3293.03] Jae: Drop us a message on Facebook or in Google Plus [3296.03] Jae: or on this YouTube video and let us know. [3304.03] Jack: Yeah, I'm thinking about doing it, [3307.03] Jack: but I need... [3309.03] Jack: This is a shower. [3312.03] Jack: Basically, the three aspects I want to do is... [3316.03] Jack: I'm going to try and keep it... [3318.03] Jack: Have it so it's free. [3320.03] Jack: It's at Hidden Valley. [3324.03] Jack: I'd like to have somewhere that we can build. [3328.03] Jack: And the other thing is a live, proper sit round. [3332.03] Jack: Let's drone out and have a chat with a few guests on. [3336.03] Jack: And then last but not least, I want an open flight line. [3341.03] Jack: So basically... [3343.03] Jack: Yeah, sounds good. [3344.03] Jack: Not focused on racing. [3346.03] Jack: Like, you know, I'm kind of... [3348.03] Jack: I want to say I'm banning racing, [3350.03] Jack: but basically, if you guys want to race, there's a track. [3353.03] Jack: Four people come up when it's your turn. [3355.03] Jack: If you guys want to race together, you race together. [3358.03] Jack: A couple of you who want to freestyle, you come up, [3361.03] Jack: you guys freestyle. [3363.03] Jack: Any of the other guys just want to have a hover around [3365.03] Jack: than someone else. [3366.03] Jack: The people that call up to the flight line amongst yourselves, [3369.03] Jack: say what you're going to do and look out for each other, [3371.03] Jack: but just have it where it's more about a display of what drones are out there [3375.03] Jack: and what you can do and it doesn't have to be... [3378.03] Jack: There's no stress. [3379.03] Jack: There's no transponders. [3380.03] Jack: There's no timing. [3381.03] Jack: There's no sat around getting frustrated at each other. [3386.03] Jack: Hopefully have something where people bring interesting things like [3390.03] Jack: tricopters and fixed wing and all manner and have a line of sight. [3396.03] Jack: And then maybe a little freestyle event and that's it. [3401.03] Jack: That's kind of what I'm looking for. [3403.03] Jack: But in order for us to not be exhausted like killing Frank [3409.03] Jack: and the guys who actually do let drone out to be able to put on a decent show, [3417.03] Jack: we need a couple of volunteers. [3419.03] Jae: And suppliers. [3420.03] Jae: Because the other thing is in a field, [3423.03] Jae: I think there's a lot to actually undertake of it. [3426.03] Jae: And this is what we're mentioning for now. [3428.03] Jae: But some suppliers, some people to help volunteer with some stuff, [3432.03] Jae: we'll all make it work. [3434.03] Jae: And I don't think it's set in concrete that we wouldn't have any racing or anything. [3437.03] Jae: But obviously, there's a lot of people that wouldn't feel as comfortable turning up [3442.03] Jae: if they felt that it was only going to be racing. [3444.03] Jae: So we're having some ideas. [3446.03] Tony: It's going to be a mixed bag, but the racing is going to be like laid back racing. [3451.03] Tony: You just can't turn up. [3453.03] Tony: If you've never done it before, just turn up and have a go. [3456.03] Tony: There's going to be no counting. [3460.03] Jae: And also even experience players that want to have a go. [3463.03] Jae: Have to take a few laps. [3465.03] Jae: See if you can set the fastest lap of the day. [3467.03] Jae: Just from your phone, stop watching. [3469.03] Jae: It's open to all, but we don't want to exclude people there. [3474.03] Jack: Yeah, as soon as you have, there is going to be racing. [3479.03] Jack: It scares a lot of the newbies off. [3482.03] Jack: And I never thought about it until Frank did the Let's Drone Out fun games [3488.03] Jack: where there wasn't any racing. [3491.03] Jack: And it was the first time I actually saw newbies come up. [3496.03] Jack: And I want to have a build tent that cut the generators where we can build. [3503.03] Jack: I think International Drone Day is about spreading the hobby [3507.03] Jack: and rather about egos and who's faster and all this racing. [3512.03] Jack: I'd just rather just have a sort of open flight line [3521.03] Jack: because I remember it was like this sort of opening for Hidden Valley. [3528.03] Jack: And do you remember me and you, Jay, at the flight line of the line of sight [3534.03] Jack: flight line and we'd just all fly together. [3538.03] Jack: And it was just all took it in turns and just had a load of fun. [3543.03] Jack: And it's nice to have like an easy going, no stress. [3551.03] Jack: It's just about enjoying the hobby. [3554.03] Jae: But also I think camping here overnight, there's always some of it. [3558.03] Jae: There's enough people and there's campfires and stuff. [3561.03] Jae: It's a weekend event. [3563.03] Jae: We've had some awesome flyers there. [3566.03] Jae: Whoever's been down there with new camping. [3569.03] Jae: You've seen them. [3571.03] Jae: The best thing about it is camping. [3573.03] Jae: It's fire. [3575.03] Jae: So at least in the weekend people can plan down and come down from much further afield. [3579.03] Jae: Yeah. [3581.03] Jae: May time we're looking at, aren't we? [3583.03] Jae: May next year. [3584.03] Jae: Formulating live on it. [3586.03] Jack: Our plans to... [3588.03] Jack: We need a good few reliable people to help do it. [3592.03] Jack: And most events lately, everyone leaves everything to the last minute. [3599.03] Jack: And yeah, Mike, it needs to cater for beginners. [3605.03] Jack: Because at the moment it's just like all these races are kind of... [3609.03] Jack: And this strict thing is pushing a lot of people out and scaring a lot of people off. [3617.03] Jack: It's almost like if you're into a hobby and then just going to the professional league of it. [3628.03] Jack: Having to kick around with your mates and then seeing a professional football game for the first time. [3633.03] Jack: And you just think, why do we bother? [3636.03] Jack: It's like we'll never get to that level when really it's international drone day. [3642.03] Jack: Should be just about enjoying the hobby and having fun with your mates. [3646.03] Jae: And winning. [3648.03] Jae: Yeah. [3650.03] Tony: No, Jay. [3652.03] Jae: No. [3653.03] Tony: No, Jay. [3654.03] Jae: Taking part. [3655.03] Jae: There's more and more people that are going to have next year. [3657.03] Jae: Because even our local groups and stuff will spread all around the country. [3660.03] Jae: People are still just discovering these things and getting on board. [3663.03] Jae: And now more than ever, I think there needs to be events. [3667.03] Jae: It's open up for anyone to fly. [3669.03] Jae: Not just a display thing. [3670.03] Jae: Not just a race thing. [3672.03] Jae: So watch this space. [3675.03] Tony: Indeed. [3678.03] Tony: I think we've been done our hour, haven't we? [3680.03] Tony: Just about. [3682.03] Tony: We're on a bit late. [3685.03] Jack: That's it. [3686.03] Jack: Yeah. [3687.03] Jack: That's it. [3688.03] Jack: Thank you. [3689.03] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone Out. [3690.03] Jack: I believe the website is fixed. [3692.03] Jack: Thank you, Simon Bradley. [3694.03] Jack: Thank you. [3695.03] Jack: Smoke weed every day. [3696.03] Jack: 420. [3697.03] Jack: 420. [3698.03] Tony: So everyone can go there now and find us every time. [3703.03] Jack: If it works. [3704.03] Jack: If it works. [3705.03] Jack: It's consistent. [3706.03] Tony: It works. [3707.03] Jack: All right. [3708.03] Jack: Thank you. [3709.03] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone Out. [3710.03] Jack: I've been joined by the mystery machine himself. [3714.03] Jae: Tony, that's you. [3716.03] Jae: Jay. [3717.03] Jae: Wasn't me. [3718.03] Jae: You were in the mystery then, weren't you? [3720.03] Jae: I drive the mystery then. [3722.03] Jae: Thanks, everybody. [3723.03] Jae: Thanks for tuning in. [3724.03] Jack: Yep. [3725.03] Jack: And we have been joined by my fiancee. [3729.03] Jack: Since Mary. [3731.03] Tony: You're lucky I got a sense of humor, you great yeti. [3733.03] Jack: You can't be friends with me unless you have got a sense of humor. [3739.03] Jack: Yeah, you're right. [3740.03] Tony: All right. [3741.03] Jack: And I've been right until I fly. [3743.03] Jack: Good night. [3744.03] Jack: Thanks for tuning in. [3745.03] Jack: Thanks a lot. [3746.03] Jack: Thank you.