=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 72 ===
Title: Lets Drone Out Live Stream With The Race Lap Timer Guys
Recorded: 2017-01-12
Hosts: Jae "Chipko", Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Adam Juniper, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer), Matthew (KQRC)
Total audience: 2,196
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMbxeeL-o1Q); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/336749598-letsdroneout-lets-drone-out-live-stream-with-the-race-lap-timer-guys.mp3)
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race box lap timer

[0.0] Jack: Hello and you should be listening to let drone out today. We are joined by it. None other than Adam Juniper. Hello
[12.2] Jack: Alexander
[13.8] Jack: That's me and you also work with Matthew if he's still here
[20.88] Jack: Yep with running the race box. Is that right? That's right. Yeah, cool. We're doing why Frank or Andrew
[29.04] Matthew (KQRC): Hello
[30.52] Jack: J. Chipko. Yeah, hello
[34.32] Jack: NJ Tech
[35.68] Jack: Hello, you'll be right taking my spots and of course everyone's lovable window washer
[44.28] Tony: Lazy my genius
[48.48] Jack: Thank you and enjoy tonight's show
[53.32] Tony: Such a busy house we've got in tonight, I mean
[58.92] Adam: Several of us could easily duck out for a bit have a little sleep if need be
[66.8] Adam: It's been it's been my first day back at the office for a week it's been you know tiring
[72.36] Jae: So did you get to fly a new toy?
[80.16] Adam: Here I was last week the shirt the thing came you saw you know the box come behind me
[85.0] Adam: I then got up the next morning flew to Greece
[87.68] Adam: I came back yesterday last night and went straight to the office in the morning
[92.76] Adam: I've got it as far as getting it halfway out of the box
[95.84] Adam: That's it. No, that's look awesome though
[99.72] Adam: I did I did have a mavic with me in Greece though, which was fun. No, that's right. At least you took something
[106.64] Jae: So when I haven't been too bad this week, so I've actually got out and flown a couple of times
[110.68] Jae: Something snowed snowed in Athens. Yeah, well we've got them here
[115.16] Jae: You can use is all wrong, but yeah, no it's been quite a good flying week, but this week
[119.6] Jae: We've got some special guests on other than NJ Tech. We've got Alex and Matthew on
[124.72] Jae: so um
[126.52] Jae: welcome guys
[127.88] Matthew (KQRC): So Germany and are you based in there Matthew? I'm UK. I'm down in Kent
[134.08] Jae: God right sweet. Yeah, so um Tony you've been playing with some boxes haven't you?
[140.16] Jae: I
[146.32] Tony: Have
[151.96] Jae: What I found is because I mean we're as small little groups around us
[155.4] Jae: We've been like wanting to get these little lap timers in but it's been quite a market that migrated from the cars
[161.24] Jae: But there's some exciting new projects out and that that people may not have heard of and that's what I guess
[166.64] Jae: They're here to have a chat about tonight
[169.72] Tony: Just gonna chat about race box how it come about and everything like that
[173.56] Tony: so if we could just hear you guys talk about it, so
[178.92] Tony: Matthew and Alexandra would be cool if you could just chat for five minutes of how it all started
[187.1] Jae: Well, how did you start? What was the inspiration behind Alex? What I mean, did you want to get your own times?
[193.38] Jae: Or what was inspiration? Oh
[195.5] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): My inspiration was to learn electronics in the beginning. It was about two years ago and
[201.26] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): in the summer
[203.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): 2015 I started with this infrared system. That's the open source system. You'll see a present. It's called an easy race at trauma
[211.06] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And lots of people were using it and in last January
[214.58] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I started to get interested in this VTX timing solutions and I investigated some time to get used to it
[221.98] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But first of all, I had to finish the infrared version. Hmm
[226.86] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): VTX version. Yeah, I think it was about
[230.1] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): June or so when this was
[232.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Ready for the world. Yes, and that's the thing you know now as the pocket edition
[237.7] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's this little thing or the waste box the one for eight pilots at once
[244.94] Jae: Wow
[246.94] Jae: But I mean, so there's an open a source of aspect you've got that people can sort of replicate it themselves
[252.3] Jae: Or they've got and get or
[255.26] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes, the infrared version is completely open source everything
[259.22] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): in this system the PCB boards
[262.58] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Everything everything but the VTX version the hardware is not open source yet
[268.14] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But we still have plans to release it by the presence. We can't do just some legal restrictions. There's some other guys and
[276.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, and at present we have some competitions competitions on the market. I think you know it and you will see
[284.7] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Who will be the winner in the end? Yeah
[291.3] Matthew (KQRC): I think the thing for us that and you know work with the VTX system is you know
[296.78] Matthew (KQRC): But I started racing at KQRC with you know, David Allen
[300.82] Matthew (KQRC): Nick Jones kind of quite a few guys and we wanted to buy an iLAP system
[305.34] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah, and we looked at the iLAP system and it was so expensive and you know, everyone's quite happy to spend
[312.94] Matthew (KQRC): 400 to 800 quid on the drone, right you tell them that they got a buyer receiver for 25 quids
[319.18] Matthew (KQRC): They don't want to buy it
[322.86] Matthew (KQRC): So I kind of got online started looking at various other things
[328.18] Matthew (KQRC): You know tapped up the road racing guys tried to speak to them
[331.86] Matthew (KQRC): they're all on iLAPs and come across kind of like the open source stuff with the IR and
[337.86] Matthew (KQRC): It was probably about a year or two ago now and I started messing around with the IR and I built kind of like this
[343.74] Matthew (KQRC): It's awful system. It was just but it works. You know, he's using a
[348.18] Matthew (KQRC): The first one I used was an MC node
[350.06] Matthew (KQRC): I didn't even know how to prygram like a microchip or anything like that. And then kind of as it evolved, you know, the lads
[358.7] Matthew (KQRC): No, one really wants to take responsibility for dealing with all the IR and no one really wanted to
[364.26] Matthew (KQRC): To spend it and plus the IR modules we made work
[367.34] Matthew (KQRC): They were huge, but they were cheap, but they were huge and I got a chat into a few guys online
[372.78] Matthew (KQRC): And we made these kind of this guy said oh you can you can time your quads using your VTX
[377.74] Matthew (KQRC): And we were like, okay
[379.9] Matthew (KQRC): That sounds pretty cool
[381.3] Matthew (KQRC): But you know, how's that gonna work?
[383.18] Matthew (KQRC): And I I remember putting his post online and everyone's kind of like no, no, it's not gonna work
[388.26] Matthew (KQRC): You know, this is this is never gonna happen and never be accurate enough
[391.66] Matthew (KQRC): You're never gonna do it and you know, you kind of think I said, you know
[395.46] Matthew (KQRC): you try and time all these people in if you want to you know, usually like as you go for it and
[401.22] Matthew (KQRC): You know me and another guy Justin at work. We messed about with this guy called
[405.3] Matthew (KQRC): I
[406.82] Matthew (KQRC): Virgil Buzz Flyer
[408.7] Matthew (KQRC): Originally who kind of helped make some bits and pieces and some bespoke stuff but in between all this
[414.66] Matthew (KQRC): You know, I met Alexander from air birds who was the only guy at the time who was producing and selling like an open source
[423.42] Matthew (KQRC): IR thing so we had this cross between the IR and the VTX and to be honest
[427.82] Matthew (KQRC): I didn't really want to do too much with the lap timing system at KQRC
[433.94] Matthew (KQRC): And then it kind of you know, I got wind again
[438.14] Matthew (KQRC): Alexandra was you know making more bits of pieces and you know, we did a bit we chatted online and you know and your man
[446.74] Matthew (KQRC): sent through this bad boy
[450.18] Matthew (KQRC): Which I want to almost go as any of you can see this I want to go and get my knees
[457.14] Matthew (KQRC): out of the loft
[461.02] Matthew (KQRC): And the old control pad for it
[463.26] Matthew (KQRC): No, I just kind of want to slot a game in there and it's cool. You know, it's good. I'm not plugging it
[468.86] Matthew (KQRC): I might be plugging it a little bit and I was thinking, you know, is it gonna work?
[474.14] Matthew (KQRC): That was the biggest thing because the stuff we've made online with people it works
[478.46] Matthew (KQRC): Okay, but it didn't work as it should you know, there was errors in it and I won't go with this
[485.74] Matthew (KQRC): And
[486.74] Matthew (KQRC): what I found and
[488.62] Matthew (KQRC): Alexandra probably better help me is you kind of can create a radius of where you are
[494.42] Matthew (KQRC): so if your gate is a meter high you can set the box so it's kind of scanning this kind of radius area and
[503.62] Matthew (KQRC): When it worked the first time and the second time and a third time and me and David Allen
[510.02] Matthew (KQRC): Daniel Peters who crashed out in the UK drone show, you know, we was doing that it missed a few of Dan's
[516.42] Matthew (KQRC): But I think Dan was on the wrong channel. He'll probably shoot me for saying that but it was definitely on the
[523.1] Matthew (KQRC): And it just works and since then we've we've kind of
[526.62] Matthew (KQRC): you know
[527.98] Matthew (KQRC): Exana's kind of implemented this web interface where we can tap into it and you can have kqrc and you can have your club
[535.22] Matthew (KQRC): You can have your pilots. So in terms of getting into the field and actually
[540.02] Matthew (KQRC): Setting up. It's really cool. It's really quick
[542.9] Matthew (KQRC): I think that's probably the best thing I liked about it
[546.42] Matthew (KQRC): Which you could just kind of as long as everyone's on their right channels, Tony
[553.66] Matthew (KQRC): People know their channels that they're on for one
[560.02] Matthew (KQRC): You know, it's one of the things we can all build these quads right but no one can
[565.14] Matthew (KQRC): No one seems to have the ability to to tune in a VTX channel, which I find bizarre sometimes
[577.3] Matthew (KQRC): Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, Tony swears I was on 600 milliwatt
[583.18] Tony: Have you seen my video? I did
[586.82] Tony: Yeah, whose name scrolled across the screen? Hey, yeah, nobody
[595.58] Jae: Well, I mean even if from the IR model the thing that I really like about the system is that
[600.94] Jae: Hey, people can actually get it for without, you know spending whatever they've got to get an open source package
[606.74] Jae: This for a while. I think there hasn't been anything that's equivalent to that
[610.58] Jae: But secondly, I think going forward like the VTX is ultimately the thing that you don't have to attach is the transponder working and all
[616.34] Jae: Those issues that come about from fixing something to be quite we eliminated and that's the promising thing for that
[621.14] Jae: but I think all these lap time of systems have benefited so much now from
[626.3] Jae: Moving to an open source package which we've had for our flight controllers for quite a while now and the whole ethos of our community
[631.9] Jae: Is built around a lot of open source stuff?
[634.58] Jae: So it's very refreshing to see it bleed out into other facets of our hobby, you know
[639.42] Jae: I mean it's gone to our TX is it's gone to it goes everywhere that we start to develop. So
[645.9] Matthew (KQRC): That's true. I mean, I think that's the I guess why I kind of enjoyed making it originally, you know
[650.98] Matthew (KQRC): I learned to kind of program little, you know, micro controllers and you know, tiny little things
[656.22] Matthew (KQRC): I think that's where I got the enjoyment and kind of you know
[659.26] Matthew (KQRC): Involvement in building a little bits and pieces badly a bit badly, but you know enjoyed it
[665.98] Jae: So Alex you wanted to get into electronic. She said
[669.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes
[673.14] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes, and no, I mean I'm learning things or other time and yeah, I started programming about
[680.18] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): 17 years ago and I never had something to do with electronics or so
[684.06] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean, I know they're plus and minus yes, but that's it. And in the meanwhile
[689.3] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, I can decide PCBs and so on and I have here the really first version of the BTX
[698.26] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): tracking system
[702.42] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, it's just a you see a blackboard
[706.22] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, but this was we were ready how I could solve this problem and
[711.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, I can show you something. This is a complete
[715.7] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You have a whole secret by the BTX time tracking system. It's a normal module with Justin and Teller and that's it
[723.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You're tracks only the SSI value. That's the basic thing behind it. Yeah
[729.38] Jae: Yeah, I
[730.78] Jae: Suppose you say the basic way but the one thing that I had the first thought when I heard of a solution like, you know
[736.7] Jae: the BTX is
[738.46] Jae: You have to have it presumably very high at highly directional for receiving
[743.26] Jae: Antenna first clocking it through the gate because even you might have bleed forward from a VTX signal and to the point
[748.42] Jae: I mean how how accurate have you found you could get the VTX to then do you know?
[753.66] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes
[755.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): First of the things is and you have to do some filtering on the signal so that you know, okay. Okay now is really
[763.38] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Invigate and the accuracy at present with our system is about
[768.5] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): One millisecond to five milliseconds. It depends sometimes and in the new version in the version 2 we will release soon
[778.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): We have less than one millisecond
[781.32] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Wow
[783.32] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, there's lots of filtering and calculations
[786.96] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But I have to admit where the air system is always better when the VTX tracking system
[792.6] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's the nature of it
[794.08] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean within the air system you have this line and if you cross the line it triggers and
[799.68] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): We will be TX system. Yeah a bubble no matter what how big it is. It's a bubble in the line
[806.04] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, that's the difference
[808.2] Jae: Wow, I'll be interested to see it
[810.36] Jae: And give it some you know for the road test
[813.04] Jae: I remember seeing your videos on YouTube quite a while ago. Actually Alex you're flying quite fast
[817.8] Jae: Then do you get much time to fly and the test out you get it yourself?
[822.04] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): and
[823.48] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Sadly, I can't fly that much anymore
[825.8] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean I want to fly all the time and I'm pretty close a lot
[829.0] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But I don't fly them because there's no time for it because of this system. Yeah, and
[834.92] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But the plan for you this year is to fly much much more. Yeah
[839.88] Jae: We're interesting your system like any lap timing system is a move for
[844.92] Jae: More club events to move into a more of a recognized time structure that means they can go national and it can actually grow as a sport
[852.2] Jae: Whereas it's quite limited at the moment for people to get into it from a club level much like the formula
[856.36] Jae: You know the the motorsports you don't go in at the top end racing you work your way up through the lower end
[861.32] Jae: But there's no facility for to do that without that timing because it's a timing based sport so
[867.48] Jae: It's fascinating what flying is it's going to enable and how the flying will change from the system you've produced
[872.68] Jae: So I don't think it's been in waste
[875.0] Jae: to develop systems like this
[878.48] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes, race birds. We have a small racing
[882.4] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): team with three pilots and they're practicing all the time with the system and with the system we could
[888.92] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Check what you're doing wrong in
[892.28] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Small curves and so on and so they could improve their flying skills a lot
[896.48] Jae: Wow, I suppose. Yeah, what what time segments between gates and things you can have yeah
[902.72] Tony: So can you fly upside down through the gate and will it still trigger it
[909.12] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): The system doesn't know from which side you are coming from
[912.28] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So there has to be some spot loss or something like this and to check if the pilot is
[919.04] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Going the right way
[921.48] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, I cannot say he's no flying backwards or something like this if they trigger
[926.52] Matthew (KQRC): But it will trigger upside down because if you imagine kind of two balloons when them two balloons meet you imagine that a BTX
[934.2] Matthew (KQRC): Signals when they cross that's when the trigger happens. Well
[938.84] Matthew (KQRC): What I found is that you can within the program itself. You can set a delay so that
[946.16] Matthew (KQRC): You know, unless you're you know, Gary or Luke and you're pulling eight second laps, you know
[952.48] Matthew (KQRC): most of us are pulling I mean, you know tonestar you do about 35 but you know, it's
[960.84] Matthew (KQRC): You can set it so that it won't register anything under 20 seconds
[965.56] Matthew (KQRC): So, you know the quickest lap round there is 20 seconds you set that to 20 seconds
[971.32] Matthew (KQRC): You know, it's not gonna get a false reading if you you know
[974.24] Matthew (KQRC): You're coming back across a bit of the circuit and I think one of the things that obviously air birds have done is
[979.6] Matthew (KQRC): The the software the back end of it is quite clever with now the actual unit itself
[985.68] Matthew (KQRC): you know
[986.28] Matthew (KQRC): it's it's items and they work but the software on the back ends doing quite a bit and you know,
[991.84] Matthew (KQRC): that's what I was most impressed with and
[994.64] Matthew (KQRC): You know that it seems to it seems to work really well
[998.88] Adam: Good good. I want to come back about your lap speed
[1004.85] Tony: He just knows I'm faster he's just trying to get a dig in
[1011.77] Frank: I
[1014.53] Frank: With the because you're using a VRX and then just taking the RSSI out of that
[1022.29] Frank: German of the video strength from the ATX
[1026.41] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes, that's what
[1028.77] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): That's the first step yet
[1032.29] Frank: Yeah, but do you because do you cuz the the VRX is like demodulating and finding the
[1038.97] Frank: The the the start of a frame and all this kind of stuff
[1044.49] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Hey
[1046.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Well, it doesn't know where the frame starts and so on but
[1051.93] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It won't
[1053.37] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, it's not it's not an issue because the system will trigger for each court at the same
[1060.01] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Place, I mean and they have a wound
[1064.05] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Racing track and even if the system will trigger for one quarter one meter away of a
[1070.41] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): starting finish gate it will trigger at the same place in the next round and
[1075.89] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So for our people it's telling the same leptans
[1080.17] Frank: Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking that could there be another version of this because
[1086.81] Frank: The VRX, you know if you are just using a VRX and and it's doing
[1093.05] Frank: Stuff like it's doing what it would usually do to produce a video signal
[1097.69] Frank: But you don't need any of it. You don't need it to do any of that to give you a an RSSI signal
[1104.97] Frank: No
[1107.21] Frank: Is there any way that you could just
[1110.89] Frank: the future some
[1113.13] Frank: dedicated it's just it's
[1115.97] Frank: The RSSI and not not putting out any
[1119.73] Frank: Any of the work that is involved with that? Do you know? I
[1125.26] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Don't understand the question correctly
[1127.7] Tony: Nor do I because you were breaking up a little bit there as well
[1132.3] Frank: I'll type it in the chat and get someone else to read it out then
[1138.5] Frank: Thanks
[1140.5] Jae: So like you've obviously like tinkering with the you know version one version two
[1145.58] Jae: Is there anything in the pipeline after this then now that you've got to the point where?
[1149.54] Jae: You're back to flying Alex. Is there any other exciting projects you're thinking about or working on that?
[1156.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[1158.42] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, there are lots of projects. I mean we are creating motors at present. Well, they're present
[1164.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): they're doing an example for about one year and you have to do a lot of research on it and
[1171.38] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): yeah, they have some prototypes in our office now and the first pilots are testing them at present and
[1177.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Then we will release them and everything is done in Germany
[1181.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean if they signed them in Germany, and we are something them in Germany. No, China
[1186.86] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): That's important for us
[1189.86] Jae: Motors weren't they German hacker. I can't remember actually come back
[1198.18] Jae: Well, they yeah
[1201.14] Jae: Well, I mean go back to the helicopter days. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's back in my start of my fixed wing days
[1206.78] Jae: Yeah
[1208.1] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, and we also have these
[1211.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): yeah, this
[1214.02] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Platform called a PV store
[1216.18] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): FPV spots that I owe and it's this race management software and it's also open for everyone. It costs. Nothing you can use it and
[1225.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Many different companies and organizations at present are using the software and they're also using the API of a software
[1232.9] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): this means
[1234.74] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Although the hot air may not be of the source of all the systems, but we are trying to make everything
[1240.5] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): else to be open as possible
[1243.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): For example, anyone can use the waste box API to code their own
[1249.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Time-tricking system or whatever the protocol is open
[1254.86] Adam: Are you hoping that people will use but will buy your hardware?
[1260.34] Jae: No, no, you can make the hardware. I've got the new one. Yeah
[1264.9] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But something will be to be implemented the software few days ago
[1272.06] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Okay, that's your wife. I have to buy it from us. That's correct. Yeah. Good. Well
[1277.5] Adam: Good you deserve something for your hard work
[1282.54] Tony: Indeed what I like about it is
[1285.46] Tony: Not having to prepare for a for a race like you happen to find a vibe
[1289.94] Tony: Take your quarter part finding a five volt out and then it not registering when you fly through a gate
[1297.62] Tony: sometimes
[1299.62] Tony: As we're this will register every time
[1303.06] Tony: Even if you're upside down or as slow as Matt Austin
[1308.66] Jae: Wow, are you two friends or enemies these days?
[1313.42] Tony: Right, he started
[1316.34] Matthew (KQRC): Because he's got a slow car. That's all it is
[1319.42] Matthew (KQRC): There's a whole lot to this
[1321.74] Jae: It sounds like rather than NJ taking the place of Jack tonight. It sounds like you two
[1327.34] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah
[1328.7] Matthew (KQRC): No, we had we went for we went in China and youth fly in place over the last weekend and it was some
[1335.94] Matthew (KQRC): video clashes that we were
[1340.34] Jae: Bad news this week of a site
[1343.82] Jae: In Cambridge, it's fabled. I mean there was there was many stories written about this place was called our RAF upward
[1350.38] Jae: It was an abandoned RAF base
[1352.74] Jae: But they left most of the buildings there sometimes you can fly through all sorts of things
[1358.06] Adam: But they even
[1361.66] Jae: Fly around tell me I mean you guys you guys can fix stuff up. You think we could get the tanks working
[1367.82] Jae: We can actually you can turn the Torah around you can spin them right around
[1372.34] Jae: I mean as a flying site
[1374.02] Jae: It's FPV paradise as we call it because there's some buildings to go down these you know trees and there's all sorts of just interesting
[1380.38] Jae: bits to fly around
[1383.02] Jae: But sadly there's a lot of people that could also gain access to light fires and through a gas can
[1386.86] Jae: You know cat aerosols on fires and things and letting the pigs out to get shot eventually
[1392.3] Jae: So they've been decided to close it and ban it for anyone going on site. So it's a bit of a sad thing
[1400.62] Jae: But
[1401.94] Jae: It came I mean I'm quite I've only been there a couple of times and it sounds like they closed it down but
[1408.74] Jae: There's no there are people that use the site for airsoft things. There's no reason why they probably wouldn't open it up
[1414.5] Jae: And now I've got this dilemma
[1415.74] Jae: I don't know who's on site there to say look if everyone pays 50 pounds for the next nine months before it's knocked down
[1421.38] Jae: We just fly on the site. You know, they've just checked check ID or something. There's got to be a way to make it work
[1426.9] Jae: From the landowner
[1428.5] Jae: But sadly, it's it's one of the good sites around this area that's being closed down or not closed down but denied access
[1437.54] Jae: Well, I don't think so, I mean there's farming on the site and everything there's there's different land ownership
[1444.58] Jae: Aspects to it. I think they just left it in the mid-90s and left the tanks there presumably
[1450.82] Jae: but
[1452.26] Jae: Yeah, I think they got dropped in later, but
[1455.62] Jae: It's a shame
[1457.3] Jae: Let's do
[1459.94] Jae: Rust in peace
[1464.98] Jae: Yeah, I mean what it was it like over in Germany pretty if you got it's a much larger space Alex
[1471.22] Jae: Presumably you've got some nice flying spots
[1474.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um here in saland there are not so many spots because everything is very on in one big place here
[1481.86] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): um
[1482.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But where i'm living next to french and Luxembourg and yeah, we have some nice places here, of course and in um expa
[1489.94] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And maybe you heard of it. There was the first german fpv ways made by a ralph wends uh two years ago
[1497.38] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): What was it called again?
[1499.14] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Rolf vents
[1501.46] Jae: Oh, I know ralph. Yeah, is he the guy who works in the garage?
[1505.54] Matthew (KQRC): Rolf fence. Sorry. Yeah
[1509.46] Matthew (KQRC): I see stuff but been posting stuff in a garage. Is that a guy? Yeah, that's him
[1513.54] Matthew (KQRC): He's really funny. I saw a thing where he did something waiting for bits from bangard
[1517.94] Tony: He was kind of screaming and all sorts. Yeah, he's quite funny. He's videos
[1523.38] Jae: I did I wasn't sure if um
[1524.9] Jae: They would have banned flying after one lender that andrla merkle's feet wore in front of her about a year ago
[1532.26] Matthew (KQRC): So, uh, i've been talking about banning it did we uh, I saw a post this week about the front of an aircraft
[1542.18] Matthew (KQRC): So and then i've seen some other posts kind of, you know nulling out this this kind of story
[1547.94] Matthew (KQRC): What's what have you guys heard?
[1551.22] Tony: I heard that it was a drone strike and then I heard
[1554.98] Tony: It was actually a plane
[1558.34] Tony: Hit I think they were towing it and it hit another plane or something. That's what I heard. So
[1564.26] Tony: The lady looks from the
[1566.66] Tony: damage to be a bird
[1568.9] Jae: Or drone well, they said it could have been a structural thing because the actual uh radome or whatever it's called radome, uh was actually replaced
[1576.5] Jae: four or five years ago in south, uh, south, uh, africa and they showed by a drum
[1582.18] Jae: so
[1583.06] Jae: Uh, they're saying it's not a drone though. It's either structural. It's something on the ground or it's a structural problem with it
[1588.18] Jae: They crumpled in because if you're trying like at least 200 miles an hour on these things anyway
[1592.98] Jae: If it has a weakness in its structural thing, but the important thing is
[1596.42] Matthew (KQRC): It wasn't it wasn't again. Yeah
[1599.38] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah, well at least it wasn't a plastic bag this time
[1602.18] Matthew (KQRC): No
[1605.62] Tony: Um, what have we got asked here?
[1608.42] Tony: What is the
[1609.94] Tony: Grand's signal port on the pocket edition for is it wide connection instead of bluetooth?
[1617.46] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um, yeah, okay
[1620.42] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You need your raspberry pi
[1623.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And your pocket edition and um the quote. Yeah, it's a card signal
[1629.06] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But there's also a seek
[1631.78] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And you connect it to one of the gpi opens you have to check the documentation. I can't remember the pin number
[1639.22] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But then you can get the vtx signal
[1642.58] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean the triggering to your raspberry pi and then the open source version of easy way to time up
[1648.34] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Has a core of vtx time tracking solution
[1654.9] Tony: Bsm web says I love the airbird system. It's been an amazing tool so much great data
[1661.86] Tony: uh
[1663.54] Tony: and erwin l asked what is the difference between the tbs systems and
[1672.02] Tony: Between this and the tbs system
[1675.06] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[1676.9] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Okay, I have here the tbs system
[1680.42] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): and
[1681.86] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): There is no difference
[1683.94] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I mean if they're using
[1685.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, they're using the same technology. It's at this eye tracking also with their own algorithms to check
[1691.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um how the cord is flying by and so on. I think the main difference is the software
[1696.98] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): um
[1698.18] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): yeah, and
[1700.18] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Honestly, I never checked out the tbs system
[1702.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But what I've heard is um, if you lost the connection to the tbs system via bluetooth, you're also losing the data
[1709.7] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): and
[1710.58] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): With our system you're not losing the data because everything is
[1714.9] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It gets calculated on the system and if you lose
[1718.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): The bluetooth connection you can go back and read out the data. So you don't have to
[1723.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Be in range of the bluetooth
[1726.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I think that's the difference
[1728.58] Tony: Okay. Yeah, we saw that on our bsm webs video they done. We we could see
[1735.46] Tony: We could see
[1744.66] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Ah
[1746.82] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): One last thing to add um
[1749.7] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I think the tbs system can track the conic system
[1755.78] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And yeah the version 2.1 of our firmware we can trade also all channels of the conic system
[1761.78] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It was tested last weekend in las vegas on the ces show and this was done by nike version from fab canada
[1769.54] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It tested out and it worked
[1772.26] Tony: Matt's gonna have to be unmuted now
[1774.5] UNKNOWN: Yeah
[1775.86] Jae: Well, uh, why did someone meet them?
[1778.66] Jae: So we've also got nj and the check of the call we've heard a couple of times
[1782.34] Jae: And j have you uh flown through many gates and electric times?
[1785.78] NJ: Would you like to set the safety lap?
[1789.46] NJ: Yeah, set the safety lap the president for everyone else. I mean
[1793.22] NJ: It sounds uh, yeah, I don't do it
[1794.82] NJ: I don't do an awful lot of racing to be honest with you
[1797.14] NJ: But I mean the thing that i've seen from what i've read
[1800.9] NJ: plaguing other systems seems to be things like
[1804.02] NJ: The variables like a quad passing very close to the gate and not actually going through the gate triggering certain systems
[1810.66] NJ: I'm, not sure if this is more something that has been an issue for the ir based stuff
[1815.46] NJ: um
[1816.42] NJ: As opposed to this system. I guess a lot of it is probably going to be in
[1820.9] NJ: The calibration as you say the quicker this can be set up the quicker it can be calibrated to the size of a particular gate etc
[1828.42] NJ: I guess that's that's probably one of the the more important things
[1832.1] NJ: I mean how how is that how is that actually done say if you set up a small gate and you want to calibrate that as your
[1839.3] NJ: Uh, say your start finish point. How do you go about doing that and how quick is it to do?
[1846.05] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, um, I was uh tracking a tiny loop ways last weekend
[1851.57] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And i've tested the system with a tiny loop and it
[1855.49] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, it was just about about five minutes for me to set it up
[1859.01] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But honestly on this weekend, it took me about
[1862.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, nearly one hour because
[1866.29] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I've had so many different tiny loops and all of their vgx transmitters had different output range and it was always fluctuating
[1875.73] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um, but the system itself has some nice
[1879.65] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): tricks to get uh, yeah to handle this situation
[1883.65] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And um, basically you only have to set a one value in the system and this is called the smart sense tolerance
[1891.49] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): A smart sense is just an algorithm
[1893.89] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And for example, if you fly through a gate the system met us your highest at the side strength
[1900.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And it knows okay, this is your highest value. This means you was very close to the gate
[1905.89] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And then you can set a small tolerance for example, and this tolerance is the distance you can set for a gate
[1913.33] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): For example, the tolerance of five is a gate of about 30 centimeters
[1917.73] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And that's the way you set up
[1920.05] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, the right of the
[1921.73] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, the width of the gate and so on
[1923.97] NJ: And how much how much um
[1927.65] NJ: How much of a variable is the actual
[1930.85] NJ: Strength of the vtx as it's passing so we're the ones at 25 milliwatts or where the ones at a higher output
[1937.65] NJ: How will that affect?
[1939.41] NJ: The race if you've because quite often at races you get people well, I mean everyone should be on the same strength
[1945.09] NJ: um, but we we hear instances of
[1948.05] NJ: Of that of yeah people going through this people being cheeky and trying to get the advantage
[1952.93] NJ: But I mean is there a way to account for that without it causing too much variation or causing problems with the calibration?
[1963.41] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, um, this issue should be handled by this smart and
[1967.41] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Value this algorithm. Um
[1969.41] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But like I said before if someone is everyone is using 25 milliwatt
[1973.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But if someone is losing 20 200 milliwatt, for example
[1977.57] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): The system will trigger
[1979.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Far more away from the gate. That's that's for sure
[1982.85] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But on the next round it's shrinking at the same place
[1986.37] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So it won't make such a big difference
[1989.09] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): That is for the first round, but then they are on par like the other ones
[1993.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): really
[1996.13] Tony: fpv canada says we
[1998.77] Tony: Use airbirds timing exclusively for canada amazing product and it is better than anything on the market
[2006.05] Jae: Try to test it then yeah
[2009.01] Tony: um
[2009.81] Tony: And not nalstrom also, I can't pronounce your name. Ask my pocket edition never saves the set vtx channel
[2017.57] Tony: When you go off the settings page and back is this an app bug?
[2024.44] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um, that's something I can't
[2026.84] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): answer now, but um
[2032.84] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): well when you go to the
[2035.0] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I think he's talking about a mobile application. Yes, and then he's going
[2039.96] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, then he's going to the
[2041.96] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): settings page
[2043.4] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): um
[2044.76] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's reading all the settings from the device
[2048.52] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I think this should be a bug. Um, yeah, just contact me via facebook or the email
[2053.4] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And I will resort this out to the sky. That's no problem
[2056.28] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I'm doing all the time to part of our facebook and skype and so on
[2061.08] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's something i'm used to
[2064.04] Tony: There you go
[2065.96] Tony: cool
[2067.32] Tony: so, um
[2069.0] Tony: Everyone needs to be on 25 matthew
[2071.7] Matthew (KQRC): absolutely
[2074.84] Jae: The legal limit you can't have an input
[2077.64] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah
[2078.76] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah, I think most people are now on 25. I think it's it's got better since the
[2084.76] Matthew (KQRC): Since the kylin fx ones come out with a little button. She's certainly got better
[2089.32] Tony: Yeah
[2090.68] Tony: um
[2091.48] Tony: someone else has asked uh
[2093.96] NJ: I think something that will also help is just uh trying to encourage people to buy at least one set
[2099.88] NJ: Of left hand polarized antennas so that you can have
[2103.16] NJ: Eight pilots four on left hand four on right hand. Um, and that makes that makes things a little cleaner still
[2109.88] NJ: Um always tricky to try and get people to to do that though
[2114.28] UNKNOWN: Um
[2115.64] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah, it is tricky but um
[2117.96] Matthew (KQRC): it's
[2119.32] Matthew (KQRC): We you know, we've tried that quite a bit of kqrc
[2121.88] Matthew (KQRC): We tried the whole left hand right hand. We separated out channels at 40 hertz
[2126.12] Matthew (KQRC): We tried the raceband channels, but there's always some little uh, you know, there's always a rogue in there
[2130.68] Matthew (KQRC): And it's not you know, they could be on the right channel, but
[2133.4] Matthew (KQRC): Um, you know one of the guys at the club david allen
[2136.28] Matthew (KQRC): He's got um, he's got kind of an rf scanner unit and you know, some signals are very clean
[2141.8] Matthew (KQRC): And other signals are very you know, what we call dirty where the the kind of bottom of them is maybe
[2147.72] Matthew (KQRC): You know spreading across two channels. I think that's once vtx are tidied up and someone just puts eight channels only on them
[2155.64] Matthew (KQRC): It might start helping
[2158.44] NJ: It's also got to do with the area as well because the area can have its own, you know, sort of sweet spots. Um
[2165.16] NJ: That that certainly can play a part in it. We've we've
[2168.36] NJ: Traveled around the different spots and found certain areas. Uh
[2171.72] NJ: can be quite unfriendly to certain
[2174.02] NJ: frequencies, so I guess that's something that that's always
[2178.12] NJ: Worth checking with a scanner before you actually assign channels. Yeah that and whether
[2183.56] NJ: Yes, of course. Yeah, the moisture density definitely, uh causes problems but more uniformly
[2190.28] Tony: um, someone else has also said, uh something about um rfe explore vtx has changed their power
[2197.56] Tony: And frequency as they warm up. Will this have an effect?
[2203.56] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Well, yes, it would have an effect if you just do
[2207.0] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): If you just measure the size strength of the algorithms, it won't have an effect because the purpose and so on
[2214.12] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, it won't have an effect when it does
[2217.08] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Okay in the software
[2219.4] Tony: Sorry, jai you zane
[2221.16] Jae: Um, I was just going to say less than you know
[2222.92] Jae: Like we shouldn't forget that we slam these things into hard objects
[2226.76] Jae: And these electronics are never really designed to take these sort of impacts sometimes they get
[2232.92] Tony: Yeah, you're right they do get abused and smashed up a bit they do
[2238.68] Tony: Is there any other um, it's what they wanted
[2242.2] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah
[2243.56] Matthew (KQRC): So we do um with the airbirds now will it um i've seen kind of raceband 2 appearing which is
[2250.12] Matthew (KQRC): lower down the channels
[2252.04] Matthew (KQRC): well
[2253.48] Matthew (KQRC): Would uh, would this system kind of work with raceband 2 or
[2259.32] Matthew (KQRC): Is it a completely kind of new rx that you're going to need in the newer system?
[2264.76] Matthew (KQRC): Have you come across raceband 2 yet?
[2267.7] Matthew (KQRC): Alexander
[2268.84] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): um
[2269.96] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah in present the box you have
[2273.16] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): it supports 40 channels
[2275.48] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And um, we are testing a present internal new firmware version and you can set any channel you want
[2281.72] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): On the 5 gigahertz band
[2283.88] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): All right
[2285.0] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, that's the firmware which of us was also using comics to test our system in Las Vegas
[2291.0] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So we know it works and will also work with low band and so on
[2295.64] Matthew (KQRC): That's good. That's yeah, that was one of the things I think is going to be important because potentially with raceband 2
[2301.56] Matthew (KQRC): um
[2302.76] Matthew (KQRC): You could end up with 16 pilots in the air
[2305.88] Matthew (KQRC): You can have raceband 1 and 2 running and if you run it like your man says with left and right hand aerials throughout the group
[2312.44] Matthew (KQRC): You might have to build a race tracker for 16 people rather than 8
[2316.76] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And it's a raceband 2, uh, waistband plus this low band
[2321.32] Matthew (KQRC): It's a lower band. Yeah
[2323.64] Matthew (KQRC): Okay, it's uh, i'm not sure where it sits. I think it's five six five something
[2330.29] Jae: When did you hear about it then?
[2332.45] Matthew (KQRC): Matthew I um
[2334.61] Matthew (KQRC): I'm kind of friends with the guy ollie peters who everyone calls saggy none
[2339.41] Matthew (KQRC): um
[2342.21] Matthew (KQRC): It was a bizarre name it's a bizarre name, but he's uh, you know, he's a really cool
[2345.73] Adam: And any backstory on that?
[2347.73] Matthew (KQRC): I i'm hoping he's listening and actually he's going to kind of come up and tell us why he is called saggy none
[2355.01] Matthew (KQRC): You know, that's less expensive if you tell us but um, the ollie peters was stringing
[2360.77] Matthew (KQRC): Um a btx that he got for banggood and he could run his btx while everyone else
[2366.77] Matthew (KQRC): Oh, he's quite selfish. So he wants to race while everyone else is practicing. So, um
[2371.65] Matthew (KQRC): You know if he's on a frequency that's kind of all the way down the bottom end and doesn't it feel with one to eight
[2376.53] Matthew (KQRC): Or raceband, you know, he was up and flying as well. So that's how I
[2380.53] Matthew (KQRC): Come about it just through a bit like everything you see someone with it and you you know, even though you don't need it
[2385.89] Matthew (KQRC): You you kind of want one
[2388.45] Matthew (KQRC): Yeah
[2390.61] Tony: Um, there's another question come in where is the best place to put the vrx timer with respect to the gate
[2396.61] Tony: to get the most precise
[2398.61] Tony: uh time
[2402.95] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): In the middle of a gate. Yeah palm and middle I would think
[2407.91] Tony: Okay, so we can crash into that bit
[2411.51] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Uh, well on our event, um, I made a small hole
[2415.19] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): uh
[2416.39] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): On the chair there and put the box in it
[2419.03] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And it worked very well, but even if you place it next to the gate, it's not that
[2424.55] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): That much uh better
[2426.71] Tony: If you go next to it or or in the middle is best
[2433.08] Tony: Excuse me
[2434.28] Tony: So the mid the middle of the gate is the best place to put it really? Yeah
[2438.76] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Okay, but but you can also place it next to the gate won't make much a big difference
[2445.8] Tony: Okay, cool
[2449.67] Tony: Have we got any more questions anyone else any got any questions?
[2454.15] Jae: Yeah, if they are they I mean they can find us on the youtube page and uh chat to there if they've got any questions
[2460.15] Jae: so, um
[2461.51] Jae: There is someone who's been building so many different little quads these days who hasn't been on the show for a little while
[2466.07] Jae: I think and his name is nj tech. I think when you first came on this show you had about
[2470.37] Jae: 3,000 subscribers and you've copped another thousand now. So think we're looking up for you. Mr
[2474.87] NJ: Nj tech yeah, it's slowly getting there. Um
[2478.71] NJ: As things are kind of expanding on the channel. It's uh, i've just got more and more things to try and cover so
[2485.35] NJ: Uh time time is is somewhat of a premium
[2488.79] NJ: but uh
[2489.75] NJ: Yeah, i've certainly started to look more at the micro stuff and that's really just down the fact that the weather's so
[2495.11] NJ: Damn awful in the uk at the minute
[2497.27] NJ: And uh rather than going out and getting cold hands. It'd be nice to be able to fly some some nice micro stuff and
[2504.23] NJ: When i'm building at the minute it's kind of that 90 size like the the real
[2509.51] NJ: tiny
[2510.63] NJ: brush setups, um
[2512.39] NJ: one of those in in brushless form
[2515.11] NJ: um running little 10 000 kv motors on a on a on a 2s and so uh
[2521.91] NJ: Yeah, it should be uh should should be interesting to see just that just how well these things can perform down at the the really
[2528.55] NJ: the really tiny level
[2530.07] NJ: And brushless is obviously great because you don't get that sort of motor fade that you get with the brushed ones when you start abusing them
[2536.31] Jae: Exactly. Well even just for a long one
[2538.15] Jae: I mean we did a go truck car track for a little while and going around the track quite a few times
[2543.51] Jae: You know half an hour if you're going battery after battery, they do start sagging and
[2548.39] Jae: I've got to give them more money
[2550.55] NJ: Yeah, they they do. I think you know, it's the brushed motor technology has as it's
[2556.95] NJ: Pretty close to being at its most mature. I can't see that
[2561.35] NJ: Really getting much better. But obviously it's it's quite cheap to produce which is why you get lots and lots of these these quads
[2567.75] NJ: sort of appearing every week, um
[2570.71] NJ: But you know making these tiny brushless components there
[2575.51] NJ: I mean up when I actually received the pack of these tiny little I think they're 11 03
[2580.21] NJ: 10 000 kv brushless motors. They are literally
[2583.59] NJ: half the size of your thumbnail
[2586.63] NJ: Which is which is incredible really that they're they're actually managing to produce these things so small
[2592.47] NJ: And I suppose yeah, it'd be interesting
[2594.95] Jae: For the u.s market that's complete no registration or anything, isn't it? Yeah
[2599.67] Jae: Yeah, I believe so quite powerful. So i'd be interesting to see that when you uh, yeah
[2606.55] NJ: Yeah, so it's that and the um, the other one, of course, which I still have to follow up on was this dietone
[2612.71] NJ: gt2 which again i'm really quite stunned by how good some of the rtf's are getting because
[2619.43] NJ: As you know for those of us who've been in
[2621.91] NJ: Doing this for a fairly decent amount of time now
[2624.71] NJ: We've we've kind of grown with that all the various technologies, but for someone who's just getting into it
[2630.71] NJ: It's so easy to forget there's there's kind of an overwhelming amount of information that you have to learn
[2635.91] NJ: um
[2636.79] NJ: You know in terms of of what everything does and you know how to
[2640.79] NJ: To what you know, they're just terminology that we're so used to to someone who's just getting into it and I get this
[2645.51] NJ: You know just the other day are two people
[2647.91] NJ: Sort of local to me that we're asking about getting into it and you start to explain to them
[2652.71] NJ: What everything does and you know, it's it's an it's an hour's chat just to try and explain everything
[2658.79] NJ: Um, so the rtf's that are getting
[2662.23] NJ: Better is that's a real good thing. You know, I think everyone assumes that most rtf's are generally
[2668.95] NJ: Fairly terrible and you know
[2670.71] NJ: A lot of us try to encourage sort of custom building from the start by your frame
[2674.71] NJ: Choose a good set of motors good set of escs, etc
[2677.91] NJ: Um, but this dietone gt2. I was I was genuinely shocked at
[2683.43] NJ: the quality of the components
[2685.51] NJ: Um, you know the freight the frame is absolutely brilliant
[2688.87] NJ: I've got a lot of uh good things to say about that and i've
[2692.23] NJ: I've done some good crash testing with it as you've seen in some of my videos and it's uh
[2696.95] NJ: Yeah, there's just good. There's good thought that's gone into the design. Um, and that's as long as that's happening then
[2703.75] NJ: I'm happy as long as people are innovating and coming up with with fresh solutions rather than just you know
[2709.19] NJ: And we see this a lot just copying
[2711.59] NJ: Current ideas or ripping off frame ideas and just putting it out for the sake of trying to make a quick butt
[2717.43] NJ: dietone have actually done something quite good here and come up with some really nice ideas and solutions to make a
[2723.75] NJ: A really great little rtf something that you know as a custom builder. I wouldn't otherwise have bothered with
[2730.55] NJ: um
[2731.67] NJ: If it hadn't been handed to me and I had a chance to try I I can now actually recommend this to even seasoned pilots
[2738.71] Jae: So, um, yeah, it's it's all I mean, there's only one quadcopter that I could ever recommend the product brochure
[2745.75] Jae: To get a laugh from and that is for the gt2
[2749.03] Jae: um
[2751.35] Jae: I mean, it's a highly polished, uh
[2753.83] Jae: You know blurb it says about all the design things they've done and have to have to think outside the box and rebuild it
[2758.55] Jae: From the ground up and that's all fine
[2760.47] Jae: But just some of the comments they left in there because it got lost in translation for what was marketing material and perhaps what was design notes
[2767.27] Jae: Such as it's such a pity that we left with the titanium screws out and you steal ones
[2772.15] Jae: And it's like it's about a pity you've chosen that and it's a marketing stuff. I have never laughed so hard
[2778.95] NJ: I think there's one guy that could literally mop up and just go around to all of these companies rewriting
[2784.71] NJ: All the marketing materials to make sense and the instruction
[2790.63] NJ: Some of the hard it is to write that stuff though
[2794.15] NJ: Like what to actually write i've written technical manuals for uh products outside of uh
[2801.19] NJ: Outside well in in a different industry
[2803.99] NJ: um, so yeah, I do I do appreciate how how tricky it is to do but um
[2808.55] Adam: The worst thing I have to do is write the back cover of books
[2811.59] Adam: You know the bit that's meant to capture you in a couple of paragraphs and make sure to buy it
[2815.67] Adam: But when you oh my god
[2817.27] Jae: Physics like the one of their points was that they can focus the gravity around this thing and yes
[2826.79] Jae: Yeah, no, it looks like a promising machine and from your flight test it looks uh, like it flies very well actually
[2833.43] NJ: Now it's on it, wasn't it? The motors were made in
[2837.57] NJ: Collaborate wealth, you know, I use the term collaboration loosely
[2840.39] NJ: They may have just turned around sunny sky and said make some motors and put hard branding on it
[2844.31] NJ: Um, but you know rebranding motors is no new thing
[2847.59] NJ: Is it you know tiger motor did it years and years and years ago for various different companies and?
[2852.87] NJ: I think they were who is it that they would do it?
[2854.95] NJ: Was it for luminaire until they got their own they've got their own factory now luminaire, I think but um
[2860.47] NJ: Before that I think they was it was it tiger that we're making for them. I'm not sure
[2865.51] NJ: um
[2866.39] Jae: But yeah, you know
[2869.35] Jae: For the year who knows what is space alex, what do you find these days then a fix wing?
[2874.71] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You've got to watch what you're trying. Oh, I tried flying a fixed ring last year, but I stopped
[2881.03] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Directly with it because it just crashed all the time
[2884.31] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And I didn't manage to start it. It was just going into the ground all the time. It's it was a bonsai
[2892.15] Jae: Oh, yeah, I know bonsai
[2894.15] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It was
[2895.35] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It was it said no
[2897.59] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And at present I built a few days ago with a decoy obsession
[2903.11] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And that's the plot and quad i'm flying at present
[2906.23] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[2907.91] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You see it no no banny fly is that I think yeah. Yeah, maybe I also have a
[2914.15] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Three yeah, this one. That's clearly a guitar
[2921.67] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): This one is a
[2924.15] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Smaller quad with free store drops it crashed last weekend, but um
[2930.55] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, it's very good. It has a it has a built-in this kiss ayo
[2936.71] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): This new all-in-one flight controller. Oh, yeah. Yeah
[2940.31] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[2941.35] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): right
[2945.11] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[2946.71] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): That's what i'm trying in present
[2948.95] Jae: Cold cold
[2950.31] Jae: I know i'm flying because he's a reverb at the moment turn three math. Matthew. What are you flying then?
[2955.75] Matthew (KQRC): I'm flying the uh
[2957.75] Matthew (KQRC): Looks like we're doing this. Hold on
[2960.79] Jae: What how was it?
[2962.95] Jae: He's lined them all up. I mean i've seen this other frame but yeah
[2967.67] Jae: It's new year, isn't it?
[2969.67] Matthew (KQRC): Your wife really gets annoyed with them now
[2973.51] Matthew (KQRC): They live somewhere
[2975.27] Matthew (KQRC): So i've got the uh
[2976.47] Adam: Is that is that the bedroom that you share with your wife as well? Absolutely. Yeah, it's safer away from the kids here. Believe me
[2983.43] Matthew (KQRC): There's three kids running about downstairs. So i've got the um the sean orca
[2989.03] Matthew (KQRC): Running race flight. Um
[2991.43] Matthew (KQRC): And this is really cool. I really like this. It's um, i'm not very good at pit tuning. So
[2997.27] Matthew (KQRC): The revo f4 board works really well in that and then i've just built the the new
[3003.51] Matthew (KQRC): lumineer one
[3005.75] Matthew (KQRC): Um, so this is pretty cool
[3007.75] Tony: What's that cool?
[3009.43] Matthew (KQRC): Uh, i'm not it's the sharp who won dave
[3013.03] Matthew (KQRC): dave
[3013.91] Matthew (KQRC): dave's frame. It's the qavx
[3016.23] Matthew (KQRC): Qavx. Yeah, yeah
[3018.39] Matthew (KQRC): so
[3019.75] Matthew (KQRC): I prefer dave
[3022.15] Matthew (KQRC): You could rename it you could rename sharp who dave definitely
[3027.51] Tony: Nj, we'll be sending you a revo soon. We're the motor mounts will be in soon
[3032.15] Tony: So you'll be getting one of them to build and review
[3035.11] NJ: I've got a big stack of components waiting ready in in one corner of my my building room
[3040.55] NJ: Tony so very much looking forward to uh to seeing that and having a play
[3045.83] Jae: Yeah, alex you referred to your motors then. I mean, is that something likely to be uh out on the market this year or
[3053.19] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yes, of course, of course, uh, we will release them this year for sure and um, yeah, we have a
[3059.83] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, I have to say a funny problem at present
[3062.47] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And we have a professional measuring stand for testing all these values of a motor
[3067.83] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But we are not getting the same value like for example with this mini quad test bench
[3072.95] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And even if you test motors from other manufacturers
[3077.11] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): you're also getting the same values like the one for mini quad test bench
[3081.91] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And at present we are checking what's going on. It's uh, yeah, it sounds a little bit strange but um
[3089.03] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's not that easy to uh to do measurements
[3092.55] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Who are all the time the same?
[3094.79] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): especially with some
[3101.4] Tony: Do we not can you can you tell us anything about what kv you're gonna do is it gonna be
[3107.48] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Additions yeah, um, we have uh, I think we also release a picture of it. I have to check it. Um,
[3114.76] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): yeah, um, of course, we have
[3117.38] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): 2205
[3119.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): 0.5 with a 2300 kv and
[3124.24] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): 2500 kv
[3126.5] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Okay, cool. Yeah
[3127.94] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And the weight why what was the weight? I don't know
[3131.38] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): the country member, um
[3133.62] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): But it's I think it was the same way to like the corporate championship the present one the um, the
[3141.09] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah, the 2205
[3143.73] Tony: Yeah, they're gonna be called airbirds. Uh the same
[3147.57] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um, we don't have a name yet at present
[3150.93] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): We are looking for a name at present. Um, but um, yeah
[3155.57] Tony: So we could do an ldo competition then to know
[3159.33] Adam: Okay
[3161.33] Jae: Someone got mine already. Uh, yes. Sorry Adam
[3168.21] Tony: We've got uh a couple of questions here gabriel bow asks nj
[3173.09] Tony: Uh, are you ever have you ever thought about doing some stick vids nj?
[3178.13] NJ: Um, so
[3179.81] NJ: In my playlist for the flight tutorial stuff that i've done, uh, and i'm very particular about laying out my channel
[3186.29] NJ: So all the playlists are there so you can find things quite easily
[3189.17] NJ: There is a flight tutorial playlist and everything that i've done in that is done in black box with the sticks overlay
[3195.49] NJ: They might be talking about whether I want to do
[3198.69] NJ: A freestyle video with a top down shot of what i'm doing with the sticks. Um
[3204.05] NJ: Yes, if I can maybe coach jay into standing over me and filming down at the uh transmitter while I fly about
[3211.09] NJ: Um, sure. Yeah, I might might very well do that
[3214.45] NJ: Uh in the future as soon as it warms up a bit
[3217.97] Tony: Yeah, it is a bit cold out there. Yeah, it's horrible and
[3222.05] Tony: As asked he missed the the rx lap timer talk but ask if the webcast overlay has been worked out yet question mark
[3231.33] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So I think the webcast
[3233.73] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Uh, he talks about an overlay for example open broadcast or something like this
[3238.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): So you can see for example the live footage of a video and over timing data
[3243.97] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And yes, it's done. Um, there are two solutions. The one is fbb sports. There is a script for it. Uh, which you can
[3252.77] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): enter a open broadcaster and it will show the
[3256.05] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Basic web page with all the information and the other solution is called chrono web
[3262.05] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And they also have a bigger version with lots of video effects and so on it's for big events
[3268.29] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And they also have the support for the webcast and the waste box and so on
[3274.83] Tony: There you go. What's of doom?
[3277.47] Tony: Is your answer
[3280.67] Tony: Right what time we got left only a couple more minutes. Is there any
[3285.23] Tony: Is there any
[3286.83] Tony: One in the chat with any more questions, please
[3292.37] Jae: Any news anything? Yeah
[3294.93] Jae: Well, the days are getting longer. I'm looking out to get blind soon. I can't wait
[3299.81] Jae: So the spring comes around again
[3303.01] Adam: It'd be nice if they got a bit longer and also weren't snowing
[3307.25] NJ: No, not snow where you are because we haven't got any here in uh, sunny benfordshire
[3312.29] Adam: That's now a couple of hours ago, yeah
[3314.93] Tony: It's melting pretty but pretty it's melting a lot fast
[3319.57] NJ: I'd like at least to be able to to have one nice snowy video freestyle flight
[3325.73] NJ: Just the one and then i'm done with it
[3327.97] Jae: There is that he's already had that when he's dive bombing a viaduct
[3334.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Did you guys really like freestyle
[3337.65] Jae: Yeah
[3338.61] Jae: Yeah, I mean like freestyle is the
[3341.49] Jae: Sorry, let us speak for jack who's muted, but yeah only that only that
[3348.13] Jae: It's all sorts, you know like
[3350.37] Jae: There's so many facets to this like if I want to get a nice picture of some scenery or video
[3354.29] Jae: There's another aspect if I want to just knock around in the park without setting up gates and everything like that
[3358.45] Jae: That's that's freestyle
[3359.89] Jae: I guess racing is fun
[3361.25] Jae: But it takes effort to set up a race and it requires a few of you there to
[3364.93] Jae: A put up gates markers pick it all up at the end of it. And that's sometimes the worst you have to have friends
[3369.89] Adam: You have to walk around tidying up after yourself
[3373.01] Jae: It's just too much, isn't it?
[3375.17] Jae: Flying around I think you could make a robot to pick up the markers that you put down
[3379.97] Jae: Mobile friends, that's what we did rather than actually walking around to do it
[3383.73] Jae: But no, but the truth is it takes more effort to have a race
[3387.41] NJ: So I like I think I think there's a there's there's a stress element there as well with with the racing stuff
[3393.73] NJ: You sense the people kind of with elevated blood pressure and I could I could I certainly get the adrenaline rush that the uh,
[3401.09] NJ: the racing thing
[3402.77] NJ: Certainly attracts certain certain people too
[3405.65] NJ: But um, i've only found whenever whenever i've done racing this I certainly come home with many more parts of quads than if I'm
[3413.15] NJ: freestyling
[3418.13] Jae: Do you like freestyle?
[3421.17] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Uh, honestly, I am a bad freestyle I can't fly
[3426.03] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Beautiful it's impossible for me
[3429.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): so I don't get it why people like freestyling I mean and I um,
[3433.97] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Conspected people who I can do this but for me it's
[3438.29] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): It's boring. I I don't get it why people are doing it. But yeah
[3443.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I always have to admit I can't fly freestyle
[3447.73] NJ: It's a bit of art Alex you have to embrace the art form
[3452.05] Jae: Sometimes people fly around and they throw it, you know, they throw it around
[3455.33] Jae: It's not necessarily a beautiful thing to watch as in beautiful video
[3459.65] Jae: Uh, it can be quite you know
[3462.69] Jae: Um, I don't know. Well what i'm saying is I suppose there's different levels of it and I think there's the proximity flying and all that
[3468.93] Jae: I think any sort of the flying whether it's a race or a freestyle is is something that can be appreciated
[3474.13] Jae: I mean we tried to get tony
[3476.13] Jae: To fly freestyle at our let's straight out games
[3479.49] Jae: And that's really happened
[3481.57] Jae: He started to fly imaginary gates in the sky
[3486.05] Tony: I was hunting for gates
[3488.69] Jae: But yeah, you know, I I think being boxed in
[3493.09] Jae: Sometimes lose out on whatever's there at the time and I don't think
[3496.77] Jae: It's whether it's a like or dislike of any of it for me
[3502.37] Jae: Racing is something that I think you have to fly it and be flying well at fpv
[3506.21] Jae: So i've thought about going through the race circuit this year
[3509.65] Jae: And do it jay. Come on. Yeah
[3512.53] Jae: but
[3513.41] Jae: It also takes more time money and like like nj said sometimes it'll come home with lots of it
[3518.69] Adam: All right. I'm gonna have to speak on behalf of jack and say that we're coming to the end of the show
[3524.29] Adam: So you two should set a date later on for the race
[3528.05] Adam: Um, and we should tell everyone how to get in touch with our guests
[3531.49] Jae: Yeah, and maybe if you're coming over to the uk, we'll have a fly-in and we'll set up a race for you
[3534.93] Jae: Alex and uh, yeah, it'd be awesome if you have plans on it this way
[3540.53] Adam: So, where do we go alex if we want to buy your stuff?
[3545.01] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Um for europe you can go to airberts.de
[3549.01] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And for the states you go or america
[3552.61] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): You can go to fpv canada. We also have different researchers. Let's also
[3557.81] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Make it build it in uk. Yeah also our stuff
[3562.13] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): Yeah
[3563.25] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And some other ones, but I can't remember all of them
[3566.53] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): I am mainly responsible for the development and efforts and not selling and so on so I can't know everything
[3573.25] Jae: Can you go to those awesome places?
[3575.25] Jae: Had the i-o it was fpv
[3577.73] Jae: Uh i-o or something. What was that website again for people?
[3581.09] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): And fpv-sports.io that's the free way spanishment system
[3586.77] Adam: Yeah, so and um frank asks if you're doing anything for international drone day on the 6th of may
[3595.55] Adam: early may anyway
[3599.62] Adam: um
[3603.86] Adam: Does germany celebrate international drone day
[3608.08] Alexander (EasyRaceLapTimer): International drone day. I think maybe you're running this year actually. Yeah
[3614.5] Jae: Um, it started from that drone show the original podcast in america and they wanted to promote it
[3619.62] Jae: every year
[3621.06] Jae: Okay, they were good and people would fly them
[3625.86] Adam: I'll take that as a no
[3628.5] Adam: Yeah
[3631.46] Adam: Fair enough
[3632.9] Tony: All right, we better wrap this
[3636.9] Tony: And thanks matthew, thank you
[3639.54] Jae: Thank you, the motley crew that is uh
[3642.66] Jae: adam
[3643.94] Jae: frank
[3645.22] Jae: Tony and myself
[3647.22] Jae: But it's just
[3649.86] Jae: Sort of
[3653.46] Jae: He's been in the chat, yeah, we love you jack. We're sorry. I didn't mean to leave you off of that. Of course jack
[3657.78] Jae: Is this jack?
[3659.38] Tony: But thanks for listening everyone. Thank you. Cheers. Good night
[3663.38] UNKNOWN: Okay