=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 77 ===
Title: Lets Drone Out Race Flight
Recorded: 2017-02-16
Hosts: Jae "Chipko", Adam Juniper, Clinton "Ectraz" Roberts, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Preston (RaceFlight)
Total audience: 1,358
Platforms: SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/345541908-letsdroneout-lets-drone-out-race-flight.mp3)
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This week we chat to Preston about; Race flight.

[0.02] Jae: Welcome to get another episode of let's show now this week
[4.62] Jae: You are joined by the usual motley crew of Jack. He's in the background
[8.9] Jack: Hello, Jack. Hello. I just like to go on records the way that we don't hate race flight
[14.54] Jack: We just like mocking Tony cuz Tony's an idiot and Tony is incompetent and tries to use race flight
[21.94] Jack: It doesn't work Tony can't even flash beat beat a flight
[26.62] Jack: Is that why Tony is hiding this week? I don't know yet Tony is an embarrassment
[32.62] Jack: To race light on the other hand skits. Oh makes it look good
[37.74] Jack: Carry on
[39.9] Clint: Skits so amazing
[44.9] Jae: Yeah, indeed we are joined by Preston from a race flight also Adam Frank
[50.02] Jae: Clinton on the background and myself Jay so welcome a Preston
[54.72] Jae: Over from it. I mean, yeah, no, no, it's good to have you on
[57.96] Jae: so yeah
[58.98] Jae: generally we like to find a little bit out about people that come on as I guess because a lot of people start from
[64.44] Jae: Many different backgrounds and things so we do like to get it out of the way of just finding out what your story is
[69.2] Jae: Where you actually came from and how you got to where you are today, which is uh with us
[74.48] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, um, you know, I've done internet technology for a while had some companies doing it and and I got into this drone flying
[81.84] Preston (RaceFlight): And I think my regression was I think I started to run in then upgrade the clean flight
[87.72] Preston (RaceFlight): They flew better
[89.12] Preston (RaceFlight): Probably couldn't get any better up gave the beta flight if we better couldn't put it couldn't any better
[92.88] Preston (RaceFlight): and then I came across this thing called race light because I had an f4 and that was when Kaylin was just first like
[99.24] Preston (RaceFlight): he first did it and
[101.04] Preston (RaceFlight): I saw there's a bunch of bugs in it and I had actually offered to help everyone else along the line like you run and clean
[106.8] Preston (RaceFlight): plate race light
[108.04] Preston (RaceFlight): And they kind of just brushed me inside or whatever. So he's like here's get how back to go fix
[112.48] Preston (RaceFlight): And that's kind of how me and Kaylin met up originally and that's really when race light really got started
[118.0] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean back then it was just pretty much he had a death for support to
[122.16] Preston (RaceFlight): Beta flight, I think was the majority of it and some flight though changes and since then
[126.8] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean I have a big history and development, you know, I've been programming for
[132.02] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't know like 25 years or something like that
[134.9] Preston (RaceFlight): Kaitlyn those flight code really well
[136.94] Preston (RaceFlight): So it was kind of a combination where I could kind of show Kaitlyn
[141.46] Preston (RaceFlight): This is the proper way kind of to do things you can see cuz he didn't have a lot of experience and see and he knew
[146.38] Preston (RaceFlight): Flight code really well
[147.1] Preston (RaceFlight): so he could be like, you know, this is how we should do the flight code cuz he did open pilot before and
[151.06] Adam: Then as you can see, yeah, I have the skills to fix the bugs as well because I yeah problems with my Mac
[156.9] Adam: But I guess they're not gonna just let me you know, come and help out
[161.42] Adam: Something about it
[162.74] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I mean it was kind of a good combination
[164.42] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean we have the same mindset like, you know
[166.74] Preston (RaceFlight): What I came along and I'm like, you know, why are we doing things this way?
[170.34] Preston (RaceFlight): It should be done like this and it's like I've been saying that forever and no one wants to listen to me again
[174.06] Preston (RaceFlight): And he was kind of like he's like he was about pushing the boundaries, you know pushing it as fast as you can go
[178.94] Preston (RaceFlight): Cuz if it's as fast as you can go, you know, it can't be worse to be faster. Nothing's ever worse less faster
[185.78] Preston (RaceFlight): And we found out when we made it faster and when we did things properly and where we used the hardware properly
[192.5] Preston (RaceFlight): It flew better. I mean, that's the bottom line is when you do things, right? It's better
[196.74] Preston (RaceFlight): and I guess everyone kind of argues what the what the right way is and
[201.7] Preston (RaceFlight): We try to do it the way the manufacturers of the chips has to do things
[205.54] Jae: Yeah, I mean that they're very capable chips that are on these boards nowadays
[209.42] Jae: So and often I think the way it's progressed is taken software engineers to take a little bit of the hardware model together
[216.38] Jae: I mean the original Dominic Clifton days to fix it to take it to the next level and
[220.66] Jae: It only got us so far from the 8-bit to you know to carry out to where we are today
[224.66] Jae: But it's good to see that chips are finally starting to be utilized to the the degree that they're capable of
[230.94] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, and and you know originally we thought we're gonna do an F7. We thought that'd be a first
[236.62] Preston (RaceFlight): Board we released and we realized when we redid everything it got way more efficient
[241.54] Preston (RaceFlight): So we don't even need an F7 right now
[243.54] Preston (RaceFlight): An F7 we will need at some point when we start doing really crazy stuff and we have one in that kind of plan
[250.02] Preston (RaceFlight): But right now why waste your money on F7?
[253.18] Preston (RaceFlight): When you don't need one, I mean, we're running at like 25% CPU doing crazy stuff
[257.74] Preston (RaceFlight): You know 32 kilohertz full LEDs changing non-stop. I mean everything we can possibly imagine logging all that stuff
[265.02] Preston (RaceFlight): We're not even at 30% CPU
[266.86] Preston (RaceFlight): So it's not needed anything better than F4
[269.9] Preston (RaceFlight): But but I mean we did everything the way we thought it should be done, and I think that makes it work better
[275.06] Jae: You know
[276.26] Jae: You see back in the multi-way days they they did the actual chips themselves the atmals
[280.82] Jae: Yeah, they wouldn't actually they got to the point where no we can't fill it
[283.86] Jae: But then with extra modules like navigation of things which is you know a bulk of a extra coat on top
[289.58] Jae: They ran out of space ultimately and that they had to progress so I just say how long do you think it'll be before it's
[295.78] Jae: Fully utilized to a degree way, you know, you'd have to move up
[299.6] Preston (RaceFlight): well, I think we were actually going to be adding in some GPS things and stuff like that and
[305.22] Preston (RaceFlight): We're adding a lot more sensors to these
[307.58] Preston (RaceFlight): so when we get to the point where we can use I mean like right now on your gyro you have, you know,
[311.9] Preston (RaceFlight): your accelerometer and you had your gyro and
[314.62] Preston (RaceFlight): Pretty much no one uses the accelerometer, you know when you most people even get a flight
[318.42] Preston (RaceFlight): They don't use the accelerometer because they think it's just for level mode for example
[323.02] Preston (RaceFlight): but that data is something that can be used to make your quad flight even better and
[327.02] Preston (RaceFlight): The same thing. So even if you're doing just pure acro that can still be utilized and used
[332.42] Preston (RaceFlight): So as we add in more sensors, it makes acro fly better, but we can add even more level modes and
[339.1] Preston (RaceFlight): More safety modes and make your quad do more crazy things and as we add more and more of that stuff
[344.74] Preston (RaceFlight): Then we're gonna be going more towards
[347.74] Preston (RaceFlight): You know the f7 where we need more CPU power or whatever. But right now, I mean to be honest, it's not really needed
[354.62] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean, I don't know if you guys could slow and race like one
[356.72] Clint: We just did a beta release our first beta public beta. Yes last night race flight is incredible. Like I'm
[363.1] Clint: absolutely gobsmacked by it
[365.06] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I mean it just was amazing
[367.9] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I mean it feels like you're a sail into the air like you're a ghost or something, you know, it does what you say
[374.26] Preston (RaceFlight): And and and you know, I think we can get even better
[377.3] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean, well one thing I've learned in this hobby is every time I thought like it can't get any better
[382.42] Preston (RaceFlight): I find something and it got better and you don't realize that it could have gone better till you felt the thing was better and
[389.62] Preston (RaceFlight): I think that's why we're having issues with the whole, you know people still using that one. So yeah, I can't fly any better
[395.78] Preston (RaceFlight): But they don't realize it can't because they've never seen what it could do
[400.3] Jae: Yeah, no, it's true. I should I mean that's a progression sometimes throughout them
[404.14] Jae: I mean I moved from you know
[406.5] Jae: Just some clean flights and a kiss for a little while and actually it was a completely new kettle of fish for how I was
[412.02] Jae: Flying and I fell in love with it for a while
[414.18] Jae: And you know, it's just the different things that go along that it I
[418.82] Jae: Felt a better pilot once I was flying on a different flight controller from what I was used to before
[422.78] Jae: I've had a go on Clinton's race flight and I loved it
[426.14] Jae: I mean he built it well at everything like that his machine but Clinton's our resident expert on this
[431.9] Clint: Race, I did I did have issues though
[433.94] Clint: And I think it's a lot of them it's annoying because you see so many people
[438.06] Clint: Sort of you know saying bad things about race flight
[440.7] Clint: But it all comes down to the fact that they're just not mounting them correctly
[444.38] Clint: And it's really irritating some of that some of the stuff you see and you just like well go back do it again
[449.78] Clint: Make it right and it will fly perfectly. I mean, I've got two of them running race flight and and both times straight out of the box
[456.9] Clint: Completely default no settings changed and they just fly incredibly
[461.3] Preston (RaceFlight): Absolutely. Incredibly. Yeah, I think we've you know, we kind of try and listen to that, you know
[465.94] Preston (RaceFlight): Um, you know people were like why do you come out the version 2 so quick?
[469.34] Preston (RaceFlight): You just did the version 1 well because we listen to people and you realize say we can put these gummies on it
[474.7] Preston (RaceFlight): You know I came up with this gummy idea to make it way easier to mount so you don't have to worry about
[478.86] Preston (RaceFlight): You know rings and all that stuff and I put some more filtering on it to kind of make up for some bad
[483.54] Preston (RaceFlight): PDB and truth be told they should all fly the same
[486.26] Preston (RaceFlight): But it's just less likely to cause someone problems on them. There's the new version of the old version
[491.82] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean, I didn't replace any of my old version today. I thought it makes no difference to me
[495.82] Preston (RaceFlight): I I mounted it right
[497.62] Preston (RaceFlight): but we're just trying to make it easier for people to get a good experience with race light right away and not get frustrated and
[504.82] Preston (RaceFlight): Software release last night was all about that too
[507.02] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean there is so easy now
[509.3] Preston (RaceFlight): There is no way that it's way easier to set up race light one now than any other flight control software
[514.86] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean basically you run three four Wizards you click four buttons
[518.38] Preston (RaceFlight): You do you twiddle the sticks do a few things and you're all set up perfect out of the box. It should
[524.94] Clint: That is completely true actually, but it almost makes it too easy. It doesn't feel like a hobby anymore. You've made it too easy
[531.94] Jae: It's called more accessible because actually what it highlighted when people don't build these things that have problems is
[537.18] Jae: People that can't build these things to fly and what it does is it makes more accessible to the people that don't have really built
[542.62] Jae: These things and isolate you know from vibration for all sorts of reasons can actually start building it and using the the boards again
[549.86] Jae: so yeah, yeah
[551.86] Adam: It can be a hobby for people who fly as well as just people who you know through the world computers
[556.62] Adam: I think they you're gonna split split people. I think there'll always be some who don't want to share
[562.58] Preston (RaceFlight): Well you can always you know whatever you can you can be more advanced you can go in the console and play with the things if you
[568.34] Preston (RaceFlight): Want them if you're that type of guy wants to twiddle it that you still can but most people I don't think want to they just
[574.02] Preston (RaceFlight): Want to get out there and go fly and they don't want to like bang their head against the wall for you know eight hours
[578.54] Preston (RaceFlight): Straight over something stupid, and it's gonna get easier and easier
[581.14] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean we have things going in there that are just gonna take it to the whole next level with easiness and
[586.74] Preston (RaceFlight): Then you'll get better and better as time goes on but the goal is to get you like it like you
[591.7] Preston (RaceFlight): Make it more accessible like so many people go by a quad never get a flying right and then just don't do the hobby
[596.82] Preston (RaceFlight): And if there's less people in the hobby
[599.22] Preston (RaceFlight): There's less you know innovation is less cool things coming out
[602.34] Preston (RaceFlight): There's less people to do it with it's less people at races and I want to see less
[606.28] Preston (RaceFlight): You know you go to these races, and they're always the same people at every rate
[609.66] Preston (RaceFlight): I like Sebring the last race who went to because it was more accessible to more people
[614.22] Preston (RaceFlight): There are more new faces there, but that's what I want to see. It's a shame. It's just the same people at every single race
[623.02] Jae: Do you not see the the general hobby and not necessarily just outside of racing, but it's it's still constantly growing I mean
[630.06] Jae: It's a I'm amazed at how still many more people are asking me
[634.5] Jae: You know how do I get into that I want one of those what you know it's it's it's it's weird
[638.58] Jae: They're neither ones that can't really build so when having a clue about any of the technology
[642.66] Jae: That's the accessibility part
[644.66] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, yeah, and I think you know I mean if you if you look at everything we do
[648.74] Preston (RaceFlight): It's kind of aimed to make it easier like you know the pads for the ESCs are right in the corner where the ESCs look up
[654.54] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean you can start them from the top like solder pads the falters getting easier
[658.22] Preston (RaceFlight): We're trying to make it easier, but the most advanced at the same time, and that's top
[662.22] Preston (RaceFlight): You know like our gyro by far the most advanced gyro in the market regardless of what everyone says
[667.46] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean the manufacturer says that that's not me saying that that's what the manufacturer said
[671.42] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, so um, but it's more difficult like you said you have to isolate it
[677.58] Preston (RaceFlight): To make work in your quad because it's the more advanced gyro
[680.72] Preston (RaceFlight): And I think we figure that out with the gummy. I mean really no one has any issues that I know with the gummy
[686.38] Preston (RaceFlight): You know it does a good job of that, but yeah, I mean that's what we're hoping to do
[689.78] Preston (RaceFlight): We're hoping to to make it better for everyone
[693.18] Preston (RaceFlight): So everyone can do it. I mean eventually you hopefully make it so easy
[695.9] Preston (RaceFlight): You know your grandmother can pick up a clock and do it, but still so advanced that Shawn Taylor can you know?
[701.22] Preston (RaceFlight): You know blow past everyone in the race
[704.22] Adam: No, that's when it's gone to
[708.62] Adam: Not my gran
[712.1] Clint: Anything dude it might be coming out in race flight or anything you might be adding to improve it anymore
[716.98] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I mean have you there's a lot of stuff coming out with the bracelet one
[720.82] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean we're adding in now all the features
[722.8] Preston (RaceFlight): So you're gonna have all your LSEs working your smart audio on the DPX's
[727.86] Preston (RaceFlight): All that stuff in the next couple weeks. You should see you know all being supported now that we have solid like code
[734.78] Preston (RaceFlight): Now it's time to add the features, so you know all the stuff people are afraid of missing
[739.38] Preston (RaceFlight): Are there I mean we've added in a few features you know with yesterday's release where?
[743.62] Preston (RaceFlight): Your terrain is telemetry works respect them telemetry works all that stuff. I don't know if you guys saw the videos
[749.18] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it's where basically got the idea from but we've had the configurator in the spectrum remote
[754.66] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, we're gonna add in all that stuff
[756.82] Preston (RaceFlight): Wow
[757.82] Preston (RaceFlight): We got some more cool stuff coming too. We have iPhone app coming out
[762.18] Preston (RaceFlight): work feel Bluetooth
[764.54] Preston (RaceFlight): And I don't know if you guys seen our foreign one ESC that you just push it in them soldering
[769.1] Preston (RaceFlight): the flight controller
[770.62] Jae: Hey, maybe Adam will get to feel for these things
[778.98] Jae: Sometimes after DIY it you have to do it yourself
[782.42] Jae: Yeah
[783.78] Adam: Adam Adam Adam has to
[785.78] Adam: Make a plan and get out of the house and get down to the hack space because I know where he's on it
[790.22] Jae: Yeah, okay, okay, but anyone is this thing is organizing anything to do with the mini air show
[794.3] Jae: Maybe we get Adam doing a build day there now that would be brilliant
[806.94] Adam: The last the last time I built
[810.46] Adam: This you know, it was hex and stuff it was monstrous
[817.78] Adam: The idea of that little sold I'll burn my hands
[822.18] Preston (RaceFlight): So I mean I hope I think the biggest problem I see of people is bothering
[827.42] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, yeah, yeah, and and we're on our way to making it so people have options
[832.9] Adam: We don't want to I mean my grad my grand just to go back to something you're saying
[836.18] Adam: I don't think I've seen her soldering to be honest. Yeah
[840.46] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing now is there's so many people that
[844.5] Preston (RaceFlight): Just don't know how to solder properly
[846.66] Preston (RaceFlight): Like, you know, we've seen lots of boards where people like go to saw and they heat it up so much
[850.34] Preston (RaceFlight): They knock another component off the board or they just you know
[853.94] Preston (RaceFlight): Fry the pad off the board or things like that and and personally if I didn't have to solder I wouldn't solder
[859.06] Preston (RaceFlight): But right now there's no choice, you know, there's there's nothing out there that makes it so easy unless you want to use the crappy quads
[865.66] Preston (RaceFlight): you know the rate of fly ones or whatever, but
[869.54] Preston (RaceFlight): I hope they make it easy for everyone. I mean the racers want it more than anyone
[874.3] Preston (RaceFlight): For racing like ready to fly a decent one. I think if it's built in such a way where
[882.5] Preston (RaceFlight): It performs the same and you can use other parts on it. Yeah
[887.14] Preston (RaceFlight): But I think these guys like they try and force to use their own parts and you know, you're a racer
[892.1] Preston (RaceFlight): You're trying to make this back as possible. So if you're limited to what you can do
[895.66] Preston (RaceFlight): Then why would you buy it? You know and even through the choice of radio?
[899.34] Jae: You've got such a broad spectrum of different radios
[902.3] Jae: I bet you'd never get it just ready to fly unless you've bundled it with a rich transmitter and who wants that wouldn't it?
[908.14] Jack: the market for um, you know like the ready to build ready built because of
[915.14] Jack: the vortex, I mean
[917.5] Jack: Immersion just released the the vortex 180 and stuff
[921.22] Jack: But like like Preston said it is locked in to their parts and their components
[927.54] Jack: You know everything's on one board all that crazy stuff. There's different versions depending on where you buy it. So
[935.82] Preston (RaceFlight): And people like options too. I mean, they don't want the quad to look the same. I mean look at people's cars
[940.58] Preston (RaceFlight): No, no one's cars with the thing. It's actually the hobbyist where they work on their own cars
[944.7] Preston (RaceFlight): They want to customize it make it look good, you know
[947.18] Adam: So that I was just thinking that 99% of cars look like it's identical
[953.38] Adam: So you have we sometimes they're not in black
[956.82] Jae: 99.9% of all DJI products look identical
[963.62] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I think these guys people are buying it just because it works, you know
[966.88] Adam: I mean if they could like make it plain if the point of it is the camera
[971.1] Adam: Yeah, for sure. I'm gonna really want to be thinking about well, I
[975.06] Jae: I
[976.34] Jae: Mean obviously that there's a flight video of the new DJI racing drone up this week
[981.86] Jae: So it's quite interesting that they finally I mean, they've had their ESEs and things out for a while, but I
[987.5] Jae: Suppose they've made some mainstream
[989.94] Jae: variety
[991.78] Jae: So, I mean I've always liked the fact that there's the development behind the boards defined
[995.86] Jae: You know behind the components and it's always good when you get different, you know
[998.74] Jae: People working on different ways and pushing it all forward like you said earlier pushing the envelope
[1003.02] Jae: So as you develop them further for your race fight
[1005.98] Jae: Are you gonna look for more sensors as you said or you're gonna look to improve on up to 64,000, you know
[1011.02] Jae: Or what what do you see is that the the immediate roadmap for this?
[1014.98] Preston (RaceFlight): Well for in terms of the hardware or the software. I suppose it's more the software now really, isn't it?
[1020.54] Jae: I mean, do you look because presumably it's a software driven sensitive modules if you're gonna hook them up or it's a software tuning of the
[1028.64] Preston (RaceFlight): The flight controller for I think with the software
[1031.48] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean our biggest roadmap is just to make as much stuff work now as possible
[1036.24] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, I think the next thing we're gonna do is make race like one working with the f3 because there's so many f3s out
[1041.88] Preston (RaceFlight): There just kind of give people a case of what it is. And then maybe they're like, well, yeah, this slide is better
[1046.96] Preston (RaceFlight): If there's even a better board I can buy and work better than maybe they'll buy our board
[1051.76] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, so stuff like that. We have an OSD DTX coming out that's back on our board
[1057.08] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean kind of a goal is to make a modular system that works well with our software too
[1062.0] Preston (RaceFlight): Cuz I even the most advanced racers like they don't want to mess with building all this stuff
[1066.12] Preston (RaceFlight): Like if something blows up, they just want to pull it off put another one on and go with it
[1070.88] Preston (RaceFlight): And that's why I don't like to all in one thing, you know, you're on one
[1073.8] Preston (RaceFlight): If it messes up you throw the whole thing in the garbage, you know
[1076.64] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it it needs to be somewhat modular and things work better when they're modular, you know, the gyro gets cleaner readings and
[1083.44] Preston (RaceFlight): What's one thing breaks? You're not throwing away a whole thing
[1087.8] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't know. I think that's where the market's going. I mean we have pretty strong sales. So hopefully we kind of know what we're doing
[1095.96] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, it can't keep stuff on the shelf right now, which is a good and a bad problem to have
[1100.6] Preston (RaceFlight): and also
[1102.08] Jae: Shrinking it down as in the this, you know the smaller version
[1105.96] Jae: I mean you're gonna have that exactly the same. It's the same
[1109.56] Jae: feature set as the
[1111.4] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, we have the millibolt. I don't know if you saw I mean a little mini
[1114.52] Preston (RaceFlight): You see this 20 millimeters by 20 millimeters
[1118.12] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, it's that's two for your small cuz I think small is gonna be I think you're gonna have two segments
[1123.56] Preston (RaceFlight): You're gonna have like your five in your six inch market, you know
[1126.24] Preston (RaceFlight): Which is what everyone's fine right now and then you're gonna have more like the three inch market
[1130.24] Preston (RaceFlight): Maybe a four inch will probably mostly three inch because if you can get the same performance and close the same speed on three inch
[1135.44] Preston (RaceFlight): Then you're like, you know you guys during the winter
[1137.28] Preston (RaceFlight): We don't have this problem with funny outside all the time here
[1140.12] Preston (RaceFlight): But you could be indoors and have some pretty fast races and you know, you can still fight outside it like as well
[1148.32] Adam: Yeah, now we don't do anything for four months
[1150.8] Jae: I mean the micro brushless sized is really starting to take off part-in-part
[1155.0] Jae: I mean there are a lot more models appearing on you know, besides advertising that three inch
[1160.08] Jae: Prop size and they're still running for sale, you know batteries with quite some power with a little bit of momentum
[1165.52] Jae: So I'm still fascinated by these smaller micro ones for smaller area flying
[1169.8] Jae: and
[1170.72] Jae: More flying essentially where I couldn't mess we put up my bigger birds. So yeah
[1175.28] Adam: Time to talk about it. You actually sound excited, which is really I am I'm very excited
[1183.2] Adam: Although now I need to buy the the whole DJI snail system just to know you lot
[1188.12] Preston (RaceFlight): well, if you want lower you see when you go for it, you know, I
[1193.24] Preston (RaceFlight): Think that like the fourth one shot
[1194.84] Preston (RaceFlight): So it's kind of like I don't know
[1196.58] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't think these big companies kind of know what's going on in the market like and I think they do get the initial people
[1201.7] Preston (RaceFlight): buying stuff
[1202.7] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, they're like, oh
[1204.98] Preston (RaceFlight): I'm gonna try it out and then people put on the quad right?
[1208.18] Adam: You know and they get shipping 15 to 20. I don't really understand why they're doing it at all to be honest
[1213.66] Adam: I guess because they're worried the the TV show will take off and they need to have their branding on it
[1219.78] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I think they're just don't know what this market's gonna do. They can keep growing. They want to be part of it
[1225.2] Preston (RaceFlight): What's we're I think what's good about this market is that it's harder for these bigger companies to maybe break into because they don't know
[1231.6] Preston (RaceFlight): What's going on? I think it's what this market's moving so fast, you know, I mean think about where we were three months ago
[1236.16] Adam: It's not just speed. It's like the economics of it insane from their point of view
[1239.84] Adam: You think of the margins on a phantom which is going to be costing them
[1244.32] Adam: Probably no more than three more three hundred pounds to make and they're charging a thousand five hundred though sort of money
[1251.84] Adam: Yeah, I think the software
[1254.6] Preston (RaceFlight): I think that's that's kind of what we're doing too because the problem is, you know, there's no one funding
[1261.68] Preston (RaceFlight): Development in any of this stuff. There's no one funding and even more importantly support
[1266.2] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, that's why we came out there bored because we have programmers that are full-time that we're paying
[1270.44] Preston (RaceFlight): We have support people that are full-time. We're paying that money has to come from somewhere
[1274.92] Adam: You know, we're not getting rich off this stuff at all. Oh, I assumed you found a pile in your garden or something
[1280.6] Adam: I have a money tree in the backyard, but but yeah
[1284.16] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean and it's great because that's I think we're we're well known for our support than anything
[1289.2] Preston (RaceFlight): You know there you can talk to us directly the developers
[1292.0] Preston (RaceFlight): But we have people for you and we have an amazing community that all works and helps with each other as well
[1297.48] Preston (RaceFlight): But it's kind of nice to see rather than someone like banggood who makes two dollars on something and keeps it
[1305.2] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, we're selling stuff and it's going back to the people working on it, you know to make it better
[1310.8] Preston (RaceFlight): And I hope people will support more stuff like that things than a cloner
[1314.92] Preston (RaceFlight): Who just when someone builds their own board and then someone comes on coffee that charges less makes two dollars?
[1323.08] Adam: Because if you can persuade the sort of you know people when they buy coffee to spend extra money
[1327.88] Adam: That so the people who pick the beans have a slightly less miserable experience
[1331.88] Adam: Then it should be the same for you know, everything else as well. Well, yeah, and if you any God
[1338.64] Jae: I don't know. I was just I was just gonna say actually it's amazing. It's amazing for how many people say
[1342.44] Jae: I'm just messaging Preston find out this one race white. I'm just yeah, I'm just head back from
[1346.64] Jae: so actually you do on a grassroots level of support around there, but
[1351.64] Jae: I mean
[1353.08] Jae: Well Clinton you've you've had I was just about to say
[1357.04] Clint: The one thing I will say about race flight is their support is
[1361.12] Clint: Absolutely on board if you message either in their slack or on the Facebook or just message them directly
[1366.24] Clint: Every single time within five ten minutes. You'll get a response
[1369.48] Clint: I think I've had a few people actually remote into my desktop and actually go through all the
[1375.32] Clint: Software my race flight and set it all up for me set the pits and everything. It's just incredible
[1379.52] Preston (RaceFlight): Go through all your personal files
[1387.52] Preston (RaceFlight): But but yeah, I mean that's what it is it's grassroots
[1389.88] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean like you said like we're trying to help out everyone and hopefully we know we help out one guy
[1394.88] Preston (RaceFlight): He helped with the next guy. He helped the next guy and it kind of spreads
[1398.32] Preston (RaceFlight): But we don't want someone to not get flying and you know that they're going to get everyone flying because once they get flying
[1403.4] Preston (RaceFlight): They pretty much don't want to fly anything else
[1408.56] Jae: Have you got any ideas of starting a wiki or anything and or
[1412.32] Jae: Frequently asked questions just to I mean is yeah, we have a new website coming up
[1417.0] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean, you know it's hard to make time for everything
[1418.8] Preston (RaceFlight): So you know stuff I think the biggest thing is right now stuff changes so quick
[1423.52] Preston (RaceFlight): That anything we put up
[1425.8] Preston (RaceFlight): Constantly have would have to be changed so it's easier for us to just yeah have a slack where we can tell everyone
[1431.16] Preston (RaceFlight): Okay, now. This is change now. This is change and
[1434.72] Preston (RaceFlight): But as we get we're getting to the point where we're more stable now
[1437.44] Preston (RaceFlight): You know we we've got everything working well, so now we can spend more time on this
[1441.48] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean there is a manual for a flight one. I don't know if you guys have seen it
[1445.2] Preston (RaceFlight): That that someone named Destro on our slack what's on it?
[1448.92] Preston (RaceFlight): And it tells you step-by-step with screenshots how to install it and all that stuff and tries to make it easy
[1454.2] Preston (RaceFlight): And you know we released a new version last night. He's already updated the manual this morning
[1458.24] Preston (RaceFlight): So there's a manual right now, and it'll just get better and better
[1460.88] Preston (RaceFlight): But I think our goal is really to get all the documentation in the configurator
[1465.4] Preston (RaceFlight): So you know you click on a little mark and see what it does or look at little videos
[1469.8] Preston (RaceFlight): And figure I mean that's the goal right because everyone's gonna have to have this configurator installed
[1474.2] Preston (RaceFlight): And once they do you know all the information is at the fingertips
[1477.96] Preston (RaceFlight): So that that's kind of where we're going I
[1480.24] Jae: Suppose it depends on which way around you look at it whether you look to look at documentation before you build or you've built it
[1487.76] Jae: Yeah, I won't know what you think
[1489.76] Jae: Sometimes you need to work out what connectors where you could putting stuff voltage is whatever, but I think I mean, but we do
[1496.84] Preston (RaceFlight): We do have that stuff online. I mean you go to our rebuild FC that kind of figure online
[1501.52] Preston (RaceFlight): I'm just you might you know less
[1504.08] Jae: You might get less Facebook messages saying what do I do with this? It's a general guy
[1508.32] Jae: Idiots, yeah, have you built your club properly yes, no no
[1513.68] Preston (RaceFlight): We're moving there, I mean yeah, you know we can't ever overnight have everything you know
[1520.12] Preston (RaceFlight): Thousands of people helping and and to be honest
[1523.28] Preston (RaceFlight): I think all their stuff is disjointed and disconnected and it's kind of difficult to find what you want
[1528.16] Preston (RaceFlight): Even though there's a lot of it
[1529.5] Preston (RaceFlight): Maybe that makes people feel better, but when I was doing it
[1532.2] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean I could never find out anything
[1533.48] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean I would have killed for a slack like we have when I started out
[1537.0] Preston (RaceFlight): Somewhere I could go and ask questions and Dominic has something similar with IRC
[1541.12] Jae: But my first one was trawling through RC groups for the KK board and multi-copter days
[1551.72] Jae: One little thing and it is
[1555.96] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, and you find it and then that doesn't even work anymore
[1559.04] Preston (RaceFlight): You know like you know I couldn't even figure out how to flash open pilot when I first started like it was crazy
[1563.92] Preston (RaceFlight): I couldn't even find anything how to install it and and you know I don't know it sometimes
[1568.48] Preston (RaceFlight): You just need your handheld. You know no matter how much documentation you read
[1572.64] Preston (RaceFlight): You're not gonna figure it out
[1574.16] Preston (RaceFlight): It's so much nicer to go like our splash where there's thousands of people and be like hey
[1578.6] Preston (RaceFlight): I can't figure this out and you know some guy figured it out and felt the same as you was there and be like
[1583.24] Preston (RaceFlight): Oh, you just gotta do this oh
[1585.32] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean I think with the Wizards and stuff
[1587.68] Preston (RaceFlight): We're gonna get away from the documentation too because it does it for you
[1591.52] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean our goal is really if you can't you know get up and flying easily
[1595.32] Preston (RaceFlight): then we did our job wrong like you shouldn't need to go in there and twiddle all these knobs and click all these switches and
[1601.72] Preston (RaceFlight): type in all these numbers and minimum throttles
[1607.24] Preston (RaceFlight): All this crazy stuff there is no point in any of that like it's built for an engineer
[1613.16] Preston (RaceFlight): by an engineer is what it feels like you know it's not very pleasing and
[1618.24] Preston (RaceFlight): People are used to it, but you know that that's why it's still done that way
[1623.0] Preston (RaceFlight): I think they just got used to it, but for new people it seems like it's crazy
[1625.92] Jae: You know I I think FPV still a bit of a subculture and mess around the world
[1631.0] Jae: We don't want too many people joining this world. You gotta be careful
[1636.8] Jae: I'm thinking the plan maybe we need to have more foresight on this
[1642.52] Adam: Yeah, yeah, don't worry. I actually I actually think you know it's FPV
[1648.04] Adam: There's a settle people are still joining, but it is more settled
[1651.2] Adam: And if you go into like in the shops like mankind and stuff drones are not
[1659.12] Adam: The symbols ones out you know the ready-to-fly things are sort of backing off
[1663.64] Adam: And I think that it'll be less aggressive. I don't think you need to worry about being attacked from all sides
[1669.48] Adam: By noobs and what have you I think now we just need to fix me
[1674.68] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, let's put this way you guys you guys especially have all these crazy FPV laws being passed in Europe, right?
[1680.8] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean the more people are in it the more people are gonna be like yeah
[1684.16] Preston (RaceFlight): No, that's a stupid law you know so I think that's why it's important to get more people in it
[1688.88] Adam: Very good point very good point. I'm pretty sure that we are allowed to fly FPV. I'm not at all sure you guys are
[1696.08] Adam: Well
[1698.24] Preston (RaceFlight): We're definitely allowed, but I think a lot of I don't know I'm hearing about some crazy stuff in Europe. Oh, I don't know
[1706.24] Jae: How is each country there? I mean does it fall under state law in the US or is it FAA and
[1714.48] Preston (RaceFlight): And I think technically FAA made a law that says no one else can make a law about it
[1719.4] Preston (RaceFlight): So basically it's like we're the only ones you have to listen to you don't need to listen to anyone else
[1724.32] Jae: I think it's pretty much this wasn't it, California saying that it was banned or was one state that said it was banned, but
[1730.76] Jae: I'd I'd that's what I thought of FP or they were banning FPV fights for some
[1734.92] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't think it was a state. I think maybe the individual cities. Maybe did well
[1741.96] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, they came out that no we're the only ones that can make laws about this
[1745.4] Preston (RaceFlight): You know and and that's how they kind of helped that way and I don't think it's really super explicit
[1751.2] Preston (RaceFlight): like this is what you're allowed to do, but
[1753.8] Preston (RaceFlight): The way our US our law system works is based on what the courts decide, right?
[1757.84] Preston (RaceFlight): So if it if there's nothing it's explicitly said something you have to go to court and once they've made a case law
[1763.72] Preston (RaceFlight): And that's what matters
[1765.32] Adam: And so you stole you stole that system from us in fairness. I
[1772.28] Preston (RaceFlight): Think we're kind of you know, it's like saying my brother stole my dad from me, you know
[1779.48] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean
[1784.16] Preston (RaceFlight): But but yeah, I mean that but I know that's not the way it works in all European countries and that's the
[1790.28] Preston (RaceFlight): So, I think that's why we have no issues
[1792.24] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean, yeah, someone goes important someone decides it's illegal to fly with goggles on then we might be in trouble, but
[1799.2] Preston (RaceFlight): They'd have to twist and contort the laws to get them to that point
[1801.96] Preston (RaceFlight): I know I don't know it's pretty good here, especially in Arizona. Like I have zero issues in Arizona
[1805.92] Adam: I've never been told lost base in Arizona. Yeah
[1809.96] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, we our cities embrace it. We have drone parks with designated drone areas in all our parks. Really?
[1816.72] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, they're FAA and AMA, you know field and yeah, they support it really well here
[1822.64] Preston (RaceFlight): It's crazy how nice it is here
[1824.24] Preston (RaceFlight): Like, you know
[1825.0] Preston (RaceFlight): we just had a race the other day and we didn't worry about anything we just show up with a bunch of people for a
[1828.88] Preston (RaceFlight): Gates out in the AMA field in the Phoenix Park and I would go flying and I know Glendale is trying to open up stuff in
[1834.76] Preston (RaceFlight): Our city here and gather are really good about it
[1837.96] Preston (RaceFlight): We have the perfect weather and they're embracing and I know like space like Texas people may have a major issue
[1844.16] Adam: You know, we have keep pantomime everywhere. We don't really have space in London
[1849.72] Jae: And we have perfect weather weather for three-inch props in
[1853.64] Jae: I
[1858.72] Adam: Live I live very near where the 2012 Olympics were and I keep meaning to go and petition to read to change the use of the
[1867.88] Adam: Belladrome, I think that would be awesome, wouldn't it?
[1873.52] Adam: Going round around though in a Belladrome. No, you could put some stuff in it. There's you know, it's a funny shape building
[1880.0] Adam: It's just a good big size
[1882.52] Adam: Yeah, I think did you say also they've also got an outdoor track with Benson
[1890.72] Jae: Maybe for you by maybe for you inspire Adam
[1895.36] Adam: I'm not facing the inspire
[1901.44] Clint: The race flight controller
[1904.04] Jae: Yeah, yeah, in fact, you should do that just as a an upgrade to this phantom video, you know
[1912.0] Preston (RaceFlight): Crashes you can pump a video race like killed your phantom and then you know, you'll get 20,000 views. Yeah
[1919.36] Adam: That has no purpose I
[1923.04] Clint: Did have I did have one one important very important question I had to ask about race flight is
[1928.76] Clint: When you're flashing your earsees and it says have you taken your props off lads? Does that have anything to do with Tom Smith?
[1942.0] Preston (RaceFlight): Humor in what we do because otherwise like pretty boring, right?
[1948.12] Clint: There's quite a few cracks in there
[1955.32] Jae: What we need in flight controllers now is Easter eggs so flip it left and right and up and down and does something crazy
[1965.28] Preston (RaceFlight): What's funny is our flight control our new version to have an Easter egg on it and someone just realized it
[1970.36] Preston (RaceFlight): If you if you the CPU underneath it has like to get those little guy under it
[1974.28] Preston (RaceFlight): Some guy had pulled a CPU off his like it's always like wow
[1977.76] Jae: Wow
[1990.44] Preston (RaceFlight): But yeah, I mean, you know, why take yourself so seriously and and I think we made a little friction
[1996.2] Preston (RaceFlight): From some people who get upset, you know
[1998.2] Preston (RaceFlight): if we if we you know call things like witchcraft because it you know, it feels like witchcraft, but
[2004.24] Preston (RaceFlight): You don't you don't have
[2007.04] Jae: I think I prefer the term
[2013.06] Jae: Magic, you know witchcraft as pure effing magic
[2017.86] Jae: I
[2020.62] Preston (RaceFlight): Mean
[2024.1] Preston (RaceFlight): You know so far we just want to make cool stuff applies better everyone else, you know, ultimately we make the best decisions
[2031.18] Preston (RaceFlight): We think and so far it's worked out
[2033.78] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I'll put the majority but
[2036.42] Frank: Yeah, I love you guys
[2039.58] Frank: If you got time for it sure so
[2046.56] Frank: Is
[2049.36] Frank: The F your f3 is still capable flight controllers or should I concentrate I
[2058.16] Jae: Just repeat that is F3 is still a capable flight controller or should I concentrate on getting an F4 flight controller from
[2065.96] Jae: Magnus Strix
[2067.56] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, I'll tell you an F4 is two advantages one. It's a lot faster
[2072.72] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, it's a lot faster. It's on a f3. Maybe on a good day going downwind
[2077.68] Preston (RaceFlight): We can do a good a killer on a f4. We can do 32 killer. It's well, at least on our board
[2083.08] Preston (RaceFlight): So that makes a big difference. I mean that's four times more information to stabilize your quads. So it makes it feel smoother
[2089.48] Preston (RaceFlight): We can eliminate right flight one now with our board
[2093.04] Preston (RaceFlight): Crop wash doesn't even exist
[2095.16] Preston (RaceFlight): You'll hear it
[2096.56] Preston (RaceFlight): Like it sounds like your your quads shaking
[2099.28] Preston (RaceFlight): But it actually doesn't show up in the video because we're actually kind of acting it and that's three
[2104.44] Preston (RaceFlight): We're never gonna be able to do that. This is not a property power and then the other disadvantages
[2108.88] Preston (RaceFlight): It has a lot less memory
[2111.16] Preston (RaceFlight): So we can't store as much stuff in memory. We can't do as much math. We can't do as much calculations
[2117.24] Preston (RaceFlight): We can't have there as much stuff
[2120.4] Preston (RaceFlight): Like the f3 was developed to be as a cheaper alternative
[2124.36] Preston (RaceFlight): To the f4 it is newer
[2127.0] Preston (RaceFlight): But it was made for a specific purpose to be cheaper and now the boards are so cheap
[2131.68] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean we're talking penny between the dip and two. There's really no reason to go with an f3 absolutely no reason
[2138.56] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it has an inverter on it, but you can just put an inverter circuit it and that's not a reason
[2144.64] Preston (RaceFlight): There's just no reason to do them
[2146.2] Preston (RaceFlight): So if you're buying a new one, you know buy an f4 if you're already have an f3
[2151.72] Preston (RaceFlight): Okay, but when you put like what our board in there you're gonna realize that you've been missing out this whole time
[2157.16] Jae: I think I think it's only now that it's worth it for that argument
[2161.64] Jae: Getting an f4 because software is catching up because everything's catching up for you know
[2166.28] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, you're price though. I mean, especially with beta flight. I mean, come on if you're if you're on a beta flight
[2170.56] Preston (RaceFlight): Is there a advantage to that for probably not?
[2173.88] Preston (RaceFlight): Your f3 probably flies the same on both. I mean so it's so long since I've flown beta flight
[2179.4] Preston (RaceFlight): I can tell you for sure but
[2181.64] Preston (RaceFlight): But yeah, I mean their thing is all about eight kilohertz to see the max
[2185.16] Preston (RaceFlight): I think at one time Boris said, you know, you never need more than one killer. So
[2189.04] Preston (RaceFlight): They're they're behind and we're our agreement, you know, we want to run as fast as possible
[2194.24] Preston (RaceFlight): So yeah, you're on that then, you know, he's fine. But for us man our f4 with our gyro it flies
[2201.64] Preston (RaceFlight): Crazy good like nothing better I can imagine and I can tell you right now. We're not maxed out
[2207.4] Preston (RaceFlight): So our board is future-proof, you know, we got quite a bit of room to grow before we need to come out with an f7
[2214.24] Preston (RaceFlight): There's just there's no reason for it at the moment
[2217.8] Preston (RaceFlight): But yeah, so I don't know, you know, the best way to answer that question f3 is okay
[2222.08] Preston (RaceFlight): But you you know for 40 bucks, that'll be the best upgrade you ever made, you know
[2226.4] Preston (RaceFlight): It's like your computer only has one gig of RAM if you put 16 gigs of RAM in it
[2230.72] Preston (RaceFlight): It's gonna feel amazing, you know for pretty cheap, you know
[2235.06] Preston (RaceFlight): So it's kind of the same thing. It's like if you could upgrade it's like in your computer if you upgraded the CPU and
[2241.22] Preston (RaceFlight): The memory at the same time and I see someone says beta flight support 32 kilohertz in the chat
[2245.38] Preston (RaceFlight): It doesn't support 32 kilohertz. Just so you know, you're not processing your data at 32 kilohertz
[2250.78] Preston (RaceFlight): It is not possible to possibly 30 kills. It's the reason we dumped the whole beta plate code base is it's not possible
[2257.86] Preston (RaceFlight): It's it's too inefficient. It needs to be rewritten from scratch to even hit that
[2262.28] Preston (RaceFlight): And it's not just about 32 killer. It's just so everyone understands
[2265.48] Preston (RaceFlight): there's a lot of other improvements and what I do recommend you do is try someone's revolt with race light and
[2272.0] Preston (RaceFlight): Make a decision that way don't believe me
[2274.4] Preston (RaceFlight): You know go try it for yourself and then argue with me
[2278.2] Preston (RaceFlight): It's not better and I don't think you'll ever argue that once you've tried it good answer good answer
[2287.35] Jae: Um, I mean, I yeah enough for these days. Yeah, it'd be interesting to try
[2291.87] Jae: I think going forward and especially what you're gonna do cuz you're only in beats today, aren't you guys in pretty much the UK time?
[2297.11] Jae: Beats are from today. So yeah
[2301.35] Preston (RaceFlight): Around 10 p.m. Our time. So we're the next day. Good morning. It's today
[2308.71] Jae: We're always in the future
[2312.71] Jae: A few people are actually asking about multi-shot obviously and
[2316.03] Jae: in terms of D shot as in is there any views of what you're gonna do with multi-shot and
[2322.59] Preston (RaceFlight): I will say this
[2324.23] Preston (RaceFlight): Race light one does support both. So if you want to try multi-shot and one shot you can prepare yourself
[2330.15] Preston (RaceFlight): And everyone that's pretty much run race light one has went back to multi-shot
[2334.59] Preston (RaceFlight): And the reason is is because multi-shot is four times faster than D shot
[2339.27] Preston (RaceFlight): So for starters just in latency term, it's better
[2343.71] Preston (RaceFlight): And in terms of the ESEs can't handle 32 kilohertz with with D shot
[2351.03] Preston (RaceFlight): There's not possible of it. So you're gonna have to run slow down 30 kilohertz to run it with the exception of if you run
[2357.15] Preston (RaceFlight): kiss ESEs
[2358.59] Preston (RaceFlight): Which it seems to work. Okay on
[2361.31] Preston (RaceFlight): Except the people we've had testing them when they hit 32 killer. They have a lot of them catch on fire
[2367.47] Preston (RaceFlight): So it runs good until it doesn't so it goes back the old kiss ESEs catching on fire thing
[2374.19] Jae: It's all about it
[2377.15] Preston (RaceFlight): Do you know, you know people and it's not their fault probably I mean D shots the way the protocols are in it's very inefficient
[2384.51] Preston (RaceFlight): You're sending way more data. The CPUs having to do way more things
[2389.51] Preston (RaceFlight): You're kind of fixing a problem. It doesn't exist. I think the people that felt the difference is the way
[2396.19] Preston (RaceFlight): D shot works in beta flight when the motor calculations are calculated
[2401.03] Preston (RaceFlight): It sends it out to the motors right away, right with these shot as soon as it figures out what needs to be done
[2405.79] Preston (RaceFlight): It sends it well with multi-shot it didn't so there was a lag there
[2410.07] Preston (RaceFlight): So when they went to D shot what they're feeling more than anything is that lag is gone between when the calculations are
[2415.83] Preston (RaceFlight): Dotten and then when they're they're set
[2418.67] Preston (RaceFlight): Race lights never had that issue
[2421.47] Preston (RaceFlight): So I think that's why it doesn't feel any different and the one big thing about the D shot thing that they found out
[2426.75] Preston (RaceFlight): Which I think is great is, you know, they were moving that capacitor off the signal line to make the shot work
[2432.63] Preston (RaceFlight): Removing that makes multi-shot work way better
[2435.83] Preston (RaceFlight): So I think the biggest improvement they're seeing is this removing that capacitor because that was put on there for like old protocol
[2443.95] Preston (RaceFlight): No, it's not neat. That's my advice
[2449.25] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, my advice is modify your ESPs for D shot, but try multi-shot, but then again try both
[2455.97] Jae: It's often interesting when software changes a hardware design in that way as in
[2460.97] Jae: Until it's actually like a software something comes out to change it, you know protocols
[2464.81] Jae: I mean, I wonder how many people are now gonna just pop this little or probably even a wrong capacitor from bits off
[2475.45] Jae: And even if you've got one check your version of your AC people because they sometimes between one and the next yeah
[2481.77] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it does make it better. I think that is great
[2484.73] Preston (RaceFlight): I think it's great that you can take your old ESD on your thing pop that capacitor off and it runs better, you know
[2490.69] Preston (RaceFlight): It's funny because it just shows how how the separation is between the people writing software and the people doing the hardware
[2498.33] Preston (RaceFlight): You know it's raised like you know, we develop the boards
[2500.77] Preston (RaceFlight): I work with engineers and the main thing and we also do the software. So it's a good synergy the stuff works good together
[2507.01] Preston (RaceFlight): But with other stuff, it's just people making the randomly like the people making board. So I'm gonna have no clue about anything
[2512.69] Preston (RaceFlight): You know, they're just making a board to make money and and so that's I think why you run into these things
[2518.41] Preston (RaceFlight): They're not thinking through they don't do the other part, you know
[2522.49] Preston (RaceFlight): Like I've always said support the people that that make stuff and not the people are just cloning things
[2532.21] Jae: Good I don't know
[2543.17] Jae: Obviously with your multi-shot then I mean with your faster boards with you know more
[2547.81] Jae: Processes power on these things. Are you gonna look to baby?
[2550.69] Jae: Change anything on the ESD front with multi-shot versions. Well, yeah
[2554.25] Preston (RaceFlight): Actually, we have a multi-shot version to coming out which will double speed and we even have one at three times the speed
[2558.41] Preston (RaceFlight): So we're gonna probably implement that
[2560.85] Preston (RaceFlight): One thing we have noticed is, you know, we run a 32 kilohertz, right?
[2564.29] Preston (RaceFlight): And so we send everything to the ESD at 32 kilohertz. Well, the ESD only writes to the motor at 24 kilohertz
[2571.45] Preston (RaceFlight): Right. So we need to fix that little part about it and we've talked to you know, the BL Heli guys
[2577.29] Preston (RaceFlight): And they say they can actually double that speed. So we think once we double that speed
[2581.17] Preston (RaceFlight): You know how you've heard people complain about y'all twitches and stuff like that
[2584.97] Preston (RaceFlight): We we think that's where it's coming from because it's aliasing. It's going from 32 down to 24
[2590.01] Preston (RaceFlight): So by doubling that speed it should eliminate a lot of those little issues that people have seen and we're kind of having to
[2595.35] Preston (RaceFlight): Coat around them right now
[2597.05] Preston (RaceFlight): When really that little fix will probably make it a lot better for everyone
[2600.61] Preston (RaceFlight): So there's still your same ESD will still be able to work to the faster speed didn't need to make a little tweak
[2606.01] Preston (RaceFlight): Hopefully they're they're working on that right now before we get that done. We have someone looking at it right now, too
[2610.45] Preston (RaceFlight): So I think that might make things even better when that happens
[2614.05] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't know if you notice we always have our own version of BL Heli and race bikes
[2618.89] Preston (RaceFlight): Because we'll take it and find bugs hopefully and fix them before they even get around to fix them to make sure everyone's
[2624.49] Preston (RaceFlight): Experienced the best and we might have a slightly older version in there because we know it worked well and we've tested and fixed it
[2630.81] Clint: Yeah, that's that's another great thing about race flight is the ability to flash and set up all your ESEs in the configurator
[2636.97] Clint: It makes life so much easier like no downloading
[2640.77] Clint: B. L. Heli sweet or anything. It does it all
[2643.77] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, we tried the one wire auto command yet. That one amazing just one can and a boom
[2650.57] Clint: I used it for the first time yesterday. I believe and it's yeah, literally just write the quad in there
[2656.67] Clint: They do it sting and yeah, Bob's your uncle
[2659.27] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, there's a new written the wizard is gonna be even better because we're gonna detect the version you have and hey
[2664.35] Preston (RaceFlight): You need to update these and say yes or no and then we're gonna let spin each one and let you pick which one's spinning
[2670.31] Preston (RaceFlight): The wrong way, and we'll just automatically reverse the motors and do all that stuff for you, so it'll be you know really
[2676.07] Preston (RaceFlight): That's a new law
[2678.43] Clint: Yeah, yeah, do you have a new configurator coming out as well, but you is that right?
[2684.15] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, they do one came out last night
[2685.81] Preston (RaceFlight): So I don't know if you've used the one last night, but it is it is a lot different it works a lot better
[2690.57] Preston (RaceFlight): And now we're just gonna start adding more and more features to it
[2693.21] Preston (RaceFlight): It took us a while to kind of settle on the language and platform to use because we're using the the HID stuff
[2699.57] Preston (RaceFlight): Which if anyone's listening basically your mouse uses HID. That's that's why it doesn't need any driver
[2705.17] Preston (RaceFlight): they use the HID instead of serial and
[2708.37] Preston (RaceFlight): you know we switched it out a race like thing this plug it in and it instantly connects and
[2713.29] Preston (RaceFlight): Not everything works well with it
[2714.73] Preston (RaceFlight): You know we tried a lot of different things to finally get to the framework
[2717.29] Preston (RaceFlight): We're using now that that works pretty well with it, and so now it's it's been working pretty smoothly to stuff
[2724.57] Preston (RaceFlight): From here on out. We're just gonna make it better and better now that we've got the solid foundation
[2728.93] Clint: So first thing I want to do this evening is go and go get out and give it a go. I think
[2732.89] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, you'll be amazed. How easy it is. I think and have well it works
[2737.25] Jae: Well on one of my flying machines
[2739.13] Jae: I had to like try and flash my
[2740.63] Jae: EECs from my board that I have to unsold a solder onto another board just to get a flash with the EEC
[2745.97] Jae: It's just a resold of back, so actually I'm ready to change on that
[2753.41] Jae: Never again never again, and well that was just one of the ones that flies quite well actually we've got someone. That's a
[2759.53] Jae: Skyminder us if there's any thoughts of a board or you know software that can do auto pit setup
[2764.25] Jae: Which comes back to your accessibility and adapt to your flying style because you've got the software now and the case CPU to
[2770.69] Jae: Overheads to be able to do that
[2772.57] Preston (RaceFlight): yeah, I think um what we found is if we find the right kids they pretty much work on everything and
[2779.49] Preston (RaceFlight): We're gonna have like a tuning database and I'll have it automatically report back
[2782.77] Preston (RaceFlight): And you can get different tunes for your configuration things like that, but I think you've guys seen and it's getting better and better
[2787.81] Preston (RaceFlight): That's a minute. Um you know you flash it to your quad. It flies amazing, but I think from that point
[2793.33] Preston (RaceFlight): It's just tweaking a little bit to get that little teeny feel that you need
[2798.29] Preston (RaceFlight): Like it's not race lights not like beta flight
[2800.89] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it flies pretty amazing and and part of that 32 kilohertz
[2804.73] Preston (RaceFlight): Because because we're running at 32 kilohertz the tuning windows enormous. You know it's
[2809.81] Preston (RaceFlight): immense um so
[2812.29] Preston (RaceFlight): Quads in general fly better because we're we're processing at 32,000 times a second the PID loops as you're operating at that speed
[2819.13] Preston (RaceFlight): So it can make up for inconsistencies with your tune and make it a lot closer
[2824.57] Preston (RaceFlight): So I definitely we push 32 kilohertz because let's put this way
[2828.45] Preston (RaceFlight): I flash right flight one personally on 25 probably different quads and everything a lot of a blue break immediately like at 98%
[2835.61] Preston (RaceFlight): You know where they could be
[2837.69] Preston (RaceFlight): And so you know we were constantly working on that and trying to get it better and better
[2841.05] Preston (RaceFlight): But we think at some point it'll be pretty flawless almost every quads don't look amazing
[2845.81] Preston (RaceFlight): And you're gonna pick your motors and your other things that will tweak it slightly based on your configuration
[2850.53] Preston (RaceFlight): But I think it's just too hard for the quad to know like the auto-tune stuff doesn't work. Well. You know it has
[2856.85] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, it's a personal preference thing like some guys want it more robotic some guys want it more organic
[2862.85] Preston (RaceFlight): That's more what it's about than anything well interestingly
[2866.41] Jae: Gucci early on into the chat did say that race like one on revolt on stock PIDS is damn near perfect for 95% of pilots
[2872.71] Jae: You know obviously stop is working for most setups and most pilots that put it on so yeah
[2877.83] Preston (RaceFlight): And I think those people is not working for its filters, and we actually have
[2881.95] Preston (RaceFlight): automatic filters and stuff to
[2884.15] Preston (RaceFlight): That you can enable to do the filtering automatically, so I think it's less
[2888.07] Preston (RaceFlight): His it's more filtering at that point and and the only reason we don't do automatic filtering by default is because it'll change the way
[2894.35] Preston (RaceFlight): Your quad flies from time to time. It'll still fight good
[2897.91] Preston (RaceFlight): But it's a slight subtle change and guys like get go notice. That's the level change
[2902.99] Preston (RaceFlight): I drive the nuts you know they they they know their quads so well if it's still the teeny bit different
[2908.23] Preston (RaceFlight): They're going on crazy. They think about and well
[2911.27] Jae: It's throwing in a variable such as wind and air pressure and things like that can you know
[2915.67] Preston (RaceFlight): Create havoc for trying to process against that yeah, and most people you know most people who you know especially who haven't done this
[2922.59] Preston (RaceFlight): Long time will put on there. They think it flies amazing every time
[2926.07] Preston (RaceFlight): But I think it's the pro guys that the automatic stuff doesn't work for as much for because they're just they just know their quads
[2931.47] Preston (RaceFlight): So well, they don't want it to be automatic. They want to be exactly like they want to be
[2935.91] Jae: So it's not like a point of flying once you get something perfect. You just have it perfect
[2941.19] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, yeah, and I think one thing I will say is if you think your quads flying perfect try something else
[2946.71] Preston (RaceFlight): But like even if you're not running a race flight on or evil try it because it's something else
[2950.87] Preston (RaceFlight): Perfect might change really quick once you try something better
[2954.19] Preston (RaceFlight): I think that's the biggest thing like you know when we started out. We've let's just like people fly or quads random
[2959.83] Jae: Hey try this out. You know that was I kind of I kind of I can't afford to try too many people's different quads
[2968.99] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, yeah well
[2970.11] Preston (RaceFlight): You know now you can just upgrade you know put your new flight controller in your quads by flying to me
[2974.51] Preston (RaceFlight): You know in my opinion take any quads put a rebuild in it. It's gonna fly amazing
[2978.51] Preston (RaceFlight): You know there that's gonna be your biggest okay, and think about it. It's the brain of your quad
[2982.95] Preston (RaceFlight): What's the most important thing your brain? You know yeah?
[2986.87] Preston (RaceFlight): So it makes sense that that would be the best upgrade you could do, but yeah
[2991.07] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it is amazing. I thought someone asked us what the best these are for race flight
[2996.23] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean really any be a holly or be a holly. Yes. Yes. These are gonna work fine
[3001.27] Preston (RaceFlight): You know we created our own ESC just because we wanted people to have one they know it works
[3005.51] Preston (RaceFlight): But I think the biggest thing is you don't know if the ESC you're buying is junk or not right you know
[3010.91] Preston (RaceFlight): Exactly and
[3012.43] Jae: Quality control quality parts
[3014.39] Jae: I mean we saw it with sort of the motor the NASA boards of coming out you get some that are just yeah
[3019.87] Jae: Okay, chucked out cheap, but the quality of the parts. They're using is not up to par and
[3024.39] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, and the biggest thing is to like you know
[3027.03] Preston (RaceFlight): We're doing things on these these that I'm at to do these bets are not made to do what we're doing with them
[3031.51] Preston (RaceFlight): So you are gonna get some of your fees that come from the factory that that aren't gonna work no matter who you are
[3035.71] Preston (RaceFlight): We get them everyone gets them the differences like if you get one you say hey
[3040.55] Preston (RaceFlight): Immediately we're sending you out another one like no questions that you're not returning anything
[3044.59] Preston (RaceFlight): You know you're not having to deal with the return from today
[3047.23] Preston (RaceFlight): We're just gonna send you know those questions that and and I think that's the biggest deal
[3053.95] Preston (RaceFlight): By always my life just
[3057.83] Preston (RaceFlight): Bye
[3060.63] Preston (RaceFlight): Still fly yeah, yeah, yeah exactly by the way someone's still going about the 32 kilohertz bit of plate
[3066.15] Preston (RaceFlight): I said it doesn't process the 32 kilohertz
[3068.99] Preston (RaceFlight): It does read the gyro at 32 kilohertz, but the gyro already does that internally, so it's not an advantage
[3074.23] Preston (RaceFlight): It doesn't process the data at 32 kilohertz, so
[3078.51] Preston (RaceFlight): that's what people don't understand there's a difference between reading it and
[3083.23] Preston (RaceFlight): Processing it at 32 kilohertz. That's where you're you know it takes the CPU power to actually use the data
[3088.87] Preston (RaceFlight): You know instead of just averaging it together and coming up with a number you know
[3092.19] Preston (RaceFlight): So
[3094.19] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, it's funny. You know these stupid arguments. We argue non-stop and really doesn't matter
[3099.07] Preston (RaceFlight): I don't care if they deflate processes that 8 kilohertz and flies better
[3102.91] Preston (RaceFlight): Then fly beta flight just try race late with a revolve first before you decide it's better
[3107.67] Preston (RaceFlight): No matter what it's about, but this is more than just 32 kilohertz
[3111.31] Preston (RaceFlight): It's about the way everything works together
[3114.19] Preston (RaceFlight): How our code works how we do things our mixer works how everything works?
[3119.15] Jae: Since Clinton has two setups identical, so it's gonna. Let me when I think
[3131.99] Jae: Redundancy called redundancy you need a you need a fair
[3138.23] Clint: Mind you what he says it says I've upgraded to race flight and the f4 fight control
[3143.27] Clint: I haven't crashed anymore
[3144.11] Clint: So the redundant one has it's still literally shiny, and it's been flown once as a test. That's it in about a month and a half
[3153.71] Jae: Nothing to do with you actually getting a better pilot every time you fly, but no I mean this
[3158.91] Clint: I don't know it's hard. It's hard to judge
[3160.91] Clint: I mean the thing is is that I have since I've had race flight
[3164.55] Clint: I have stopped crashing a lot and I have definitely noticed an improvement in my flying so I
[3170.33] Clint: I really do put a lot of that down to the flight controller and what it's doing for me
[3174.97] Jae: Well even though you're trusting it surely if you trust a flight controller you more daring
[3180.33] Clint: I mean capable you feel that up you find water and everything as I you know trust
[3185.69] Preston (RaceFlight): I think when I think when you see other people fly like beta flight like watch their fingers
[3189.41] Preston (RaceFlight): You'll see like they're moving their fingers constantly like
[3192.01] Preston (RaceFlight): Constantly like nannying their quad
[3193.89] Preston (RaceFlight): You know that make it do what they want and then you'll watch guys that fly race flight
[3197.41] Preston (RaceFlight): and their fingers will move super smooth and not that much because it's like you pointed the thing and
[3203.09] Preston (RaceFlight): It just don't you know you don't have to keep it on that straight path the whole time
[3207.29] Preston (RaceFlight): You don't have to back up the throttle under full throttle turns
[3210.53] Preston (RaceFlight): It it just goes you know and I think that's probably why you're flying better because it's less
[3216.61] Preston (RaceFlight): You have to do you know the flight controllers handle more of it
[3219.73] Preston (RaceFlight): And you know I think for the the kind of like the middle of the road guys not the guys that are beginners
[3225.57] Preston (RaceFlight): It's not the guys that are experts
[3227.33] Preston (RaceFlight): It's the biggest improvement because it they're having to not you know have all that muscle memory that the real advanced guys have to
[3234.97] Preston (RaceFlight): And still comply you know but as well
[3237.37] Preston (RaceFlight): I think that kind of scares people too you know the better it gets flying that these are gets like these guys that are like
[3242.89] Preston (RaceFlight): You know the top racers. They're afraid the 13-year-old is going to come along and you know blow them away and
[3248.97] Preston (RaceFlight): You know I guess they better keep practicing because you know it probably is going to get more and more that way the easier
[3254.57] Preston (RaceFlight): To get people into it, but I don't see it as a bad thing
[3257.49] Preston (RaceFlight): You need more people doing the hobbies more people joining it more people more people do it the more money
[3262.21] Preston (RaceFlight): There is the better the stuff's gonna get the more fun. You know more development. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[3267.49] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean it's good for everyone. I know you know I wouldn't worry about it
[3271.53] Preston (RaceFlight): You know it would be really cool to go to all these races be like 500 entry that was right
[3276.05] Preston (RaceFlight): You know multiple fields and all the other stuff
[3279.05] Preston (RaceFlight): You know I have class
[3281.89] Jae: Yes, I think it's one of those industries. It's on the cutting edge of consumer
[3289.69] Jae: Electronics to the point of what they can do and fit in and you know the edge of battery development of small things
[3294.45] Jae: It's the edge of making these processes fly with gyros and everything in the stabilization
[3298.21] Jae: It's the edge of what we see so much new development because it's still a consumer interest mostly
[3304.49] Jae: But the development for that consumer interest largely into an unknown is immense for what you can
[3311.13] Jae: You know from ESCs going through software versions flight controllers starting off from the original KK to multi-weets of whether you know
[3317.49] Jae: I've got all those it has been constant development by people for people and it's we're quite lucky and I went
[3325.09] Jae: Pastime and stuff to have such exciting changes all the time, but it has nothing with my bank balance ever
[3333.01] Preston (RaceFlight): I guess it could be worse. I mean like if you're under rate road racing or anything like that
[3337.07] Preston (RaceFlight): It's way more expensive. I mean that's what I used to do before I did quad
[3340.87] Preston (RaceFlight): You know a set of tires is gonna cost you like fifteen hundred bucks for a weekend
[3344.67] Preston (RaceFlight): Wow what racing what racing was it sorry like road racing. You know
[3350.59] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, you know
[3352.39] Preston (RaceFlight): You guys do that over there, right?
[3355.35] Jae: Variants like the touring cars we have the motor GP the yeah, there's all sorts, but yeah
[3362.67] Preston (RaceFlight): That was way more expensive and way more dangerous
[3365.63] Preston (RaceFlight): Like I like this much better
[3368.87] Preston (RaceFlight): To replace some three dollar props and then fifty hundred dollars tires when you hit something
[3374.71] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, I guess it's all perspective hobbies have always been expensive
[3377.67] Preston (RaceFlight): I think as they go this is probably one of the cheapest hobby, but it is the most fun
[3382.31] Jae: I mean I never have I thought oh my it's my lunch break
[3384.81] Jae: I'll go out and enjoy my hobby or it's before work
[3387.59] Jae: I'll enjoy my hobby in the same way I do now on a flying but yeah, you can do it anywhere
[3391.63] Preston (RaceFlight): That's what's nice about too. You can just be you know wherever in the world and go fly
[3395.59] Preston (RaceFlight): I mean you can even be inside and fly your tiny wolf or whatever
[3398.35] Preston (RaceFlight): So it is pretty cool that there's there's so much you can do it everywhere you go more
[3403.55] Jae: With more base flights with more ways
[3407.87] Jae: Having you on the show today
[3408.83] Jae: And obviously with so many developments of things going on and you've new gooies new sort of code and everything
[3414.39] Jae: Bites today. We'd love to have you back on maybe in a you know short watch those how things are going and
[3420.51] Preston (RaceFlight): Sounds good, it was nice to be on the show. I enjoyed it
[3426.07] Jack: I just want to say like thank you for helping my friend Simon or Brad is a lot man
[3431.11] Jack: I really appreciate it and yeah, he's really sort of like tripping
[3436.19] Jack: Race lights, and I know we make fun of Tony a lot. You know
[3440.95] Jack: You know we say stuff like he can't build
[3445.79] Jack: Soft mount your ESCs and stuff like that
[3449.51] Jack: We try and help him, but yeah, I mean I haven't had a go at race light
[3453.51] Jack: And then maybe one day I might you know if I do get hold of a f4 board
[3458.51] Jack: But you know I'm very interested
[3460.51] Jack: I wish you kind of I want you to come back back on more so you can chat about the code and
[3465.95] Jack: You know like how you moved over from you know race flight one and stuff
[3470.77] Jack: But yeah, if you're up for that one day give us a shout yeah sure about me
[3476.07] Jack: Yeah, thank you, but yeah, I think more than anything thanks for helping my friend
[3480.31] Preston (RaceFlight): Yeah, yeah, no problem. You know I like to see people get fly in America
[3483.79] Preston (RaceFlight): I see no matter what they're flying, or you know what harder they bought it. It's nice to see people join themselves
[3490.39] Jack: All right, Jay, do you want to see us out?
[3492.83] Jae: Yeah, well thanks everyone for listening in and thanks for the questions and Preston
[3496.39] Jae: We've been joined this week by Frank and Clinton. Thanks for your input no
[3502.19] Clint: One question though Jay are you sold on race flight now? Will you will you be upgrading?
[3506.47] Jae: Yeah, I know I will actually because there's many things you've sold me on and it's it's the way forward
[3511.65] Jae: I see so I am gonna get one
[3513.91] Jae: Yeah, I for my next I will do it because I'm do a build this is the point
[3518.23] Jae: I've had my summer last year, and I'm into a new build so
[3521.43] Preston (RaceFlight): Well, I'm here. It's gonna be addicting for sure you'll see what you might you might get my tech support in the middle of the
[3528.11] Jae: night now
[3530.11] Preston (RaceFlight): That's okay. I don't sleep. We're good
[3534.75] Jae: Excellent well, thanks everyone for tuning in and find us next week at the same place same time. Thank you all
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