=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 86 ===
Title: Lets Drone Out - 20th April 2017
Recorded: 2017-04-20
Hosts: Jae "Chipko", Clinton "Ectraz" Roberts, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): John
Total audience: 1,564
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXFodoRs_rk); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/347174699-letsdroneout-lets-drone-out-20th-april-2017.mp3)
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NJ Tech, TheTonstar1 and chipko will be back live from 8pm UK time for another weekly dose of LDO.

Join us in the chatroom and say hello

[0.24] Jae: Well, hello everybody and welcome yet again to a Thursday night
[4.04] Jae: Let's drone out and this week we haven't got our we've only got one regular of Tony and myself
[10.96] Jae: We've got some other guests ready to join us this week
[14.56] Jae: Who's been key in sort of making the mini air show happen?
[19.72] Jae: Who's been 3d printing everything under the Sun?
[22.92] Jae: John
[27.68] Jae: John is your first ever. Let's draw now and it looks like on your hair. You've put yourself into 240 volts
[33.0] John: Yeah, it's the bad power supply my printer
[38.24] John: I've been charged through the laminations in my desk
[44.96] John: Well this week I joke with Stewart there obviously
[48.44] Jae: Yeah
[49.92] Jae: Well, it's good to be on the show actually
[52.0] Jae: Obviously NJ can't make it this week. We lied in the description NJ had to go sort to a family matter
[57.48] Jae: But we believe everything's okay, so he'll be hopefully back next week, but in his place. We've got John
[62.92] Jae: So how you both doing?
[64.76] Jae: Clinton John Tony, how are we all? I'm all good
[70.48] Jae: John
[72.32] Jae: You've been printing lots these days everything from camera mounts to camera mounts to camera mounts
[76.84] Jae: But also designing them
[78.56] Jae: But that's not where you started on all this quad related stuff
[82.4] Jae: Where did you first start and what were you doing to get into this stuff? I was
[88.32] John: Someone sent me a link to a video on YouTube. I think it was
[92.92] John: Sharpie or something. He didn't send me the link. It was the link of a video him flying obviously
[97.36] John: Well, maybe you did some eating
[98.68] John: I don't know and I watched the video and I thought this is the coolest thing I've seen cuz I I've got a little
[104.32] John: I've got a little
[105.96] John: qx an old 180 qx
[108.96] John: What are they called from from e flight that I used to fly around the garden and have some fun and I saw this
[114.48] John: I thought this is exactly what I want to do. This is flying to me
[117.6] John: I used to fly helicopters and I've I've built airplanes and flying airplanes and and
[121.88] John: Looking at the thing in the distance is all good and fun, but I was I was crap at it
[125.56] John: So I needed something that was more
[127.92] John: Simulator like so I just got into it. I saw these videos and I bought I bought goggles and
[136.04] John: And and the ZMR following that that Kiwi guys
[141.24] John: instructional videos on how to build a quad and got into it and it was
[145.84] John: 2015 and and haven't looked back to be honest
[151.84] Jae: Yeah
[153.88] Jae: But he's been pivotal for a lot of people starting off in the hobby and I just wish I did was someone like his channel
[159.56] Jae: On quads when I started I had to do the RC groups thing, which is still a good community
[164.32] Jae: But yeah, and actually these days though John you're quite adept at building and tuning on yet of these things. I find I
[170.96] John: Enjoy the I enjoy I enjoy the technical side of it. So I do really enjoy the building and fixing
[177.68] Tony: My own quads. I don't have a service
[186.56] Jae: Service of Jack and the others in the group that we were actually a member of BHBC
[191.56] Jae: Hello, everyone, and I think chick is in the church, but um
[194.88] Jae: NJ tech is a resident builder an expert on these things, but I'm like you John. I like to try and do it myself first
[201.8] John: Yeah, there's there's the word the word that you've used there that I don't use is try. Yeah
[213.56] John: I haven't I haven't built a quad yet that hadn't worked first time. So
[218.36] Jae: Well, okay because you just said that you're a resident expert and and this week
[222.84] Jae: It is the chat, but we're opening it up to the chat room for questions
[226.68] Jae: So I hope you've got your knowledge out on it doesn't look like it with your hair at the moment
[230.76] Jae: You might want to put a hat on
[233.56] Jae: If you've got any questions do pop it into the chat room
[237.04] John: We're but what how do I see this chat? Where's this chat?
[240.04] Jae: I can post I'll tell you what I'll post the link in there if you pop onto that you'll see the live chat
[245.36] Jae: I always try and keep up on it, but I'll take us in the chat
[249.04] Jae: But I usually get lost in trying to make sure this feeds going out
[252.04] Jae: However, if one of us looks at it, we'll get some we've got a few people in there
[256.12] Jae: There's always in there part of the LDO crew
[258.6] Jae: We've got Erwin zero FPV and striker Clegg is in and we've also got a newbie this week tricky tube
[264.4] Jae: Who didn't actually realize that we were doing this? Let's try now
[267.24] Jae: So welcome to you sir, so if you pop your questions in there
[270.6] Jae: we will also see what we can do to get them answered, but once we've all been working away slaving away on building quads and
[277.08] Jae: Flying them breaking them flying them flying them
[281.0] Jae: Mr. Clinton has been working tirelessly on organizing a lot of stuff for the mini air show which is coming up in three weeks is it?
[291.96] Clint: Was it the sick so to two weeks two days
[297.0] Clint: Are you nervous a little
[300.6] Clint: Oh
[302.6] Tony: Yeah, we're actually phrasing because there's three people that have been key to organizing this there's
[306.76] Jae: Andrew who we had on a couple of weeks ago
[309.04] Jae: Clinton who've also had on but also Fraser Monterey who actually has had a
[314.32] Jae: I think just kind of two shoulders and broke one in three places. So he's currently laid up in a little bit
[320.84] Jae: I guess he'll be doing the heavy lifting them when he when he's on site
[323.96] Jae: Has anyone heard from him lately, so I know it happened this week
[329.24] Jae: I spoke to him today on messenger and he said he was okay. We were still in hospital waiting for
[334.84] Jae: MRI gang
[337.48] Tony: And I do know that he was he's making the nurses chuckle by walking down to Sainsbury's with two well too dislocated shoulders
[345.32] Jae: How that looks? I don't know
[347.32] Jae: What can we expect from this mini air show then like what sort of events are gonna be on Clinton?
[353.0] Jae: I think the key one which which was the same as last year is the it's the team racing isn't it to relay racing
[359.48] Clint: Which I think was yeah was massive last year and obviously bring it back this year as well with where a race in
[366.6] Clint: So I think that's
[368.6] Clint: The biggest
[370.6] Clint: So I think that's a
[372.84] Clint: Racing
[378.12] Jae: It's the same four pilot teams two flying or in sort of twos is that right? Yeah, so
[385.4] Clint: Teams are four and then I think it's relay based relay based racing, isn't it? So I didn't actually do it last year
[392.36] Clint: So I wasn't part of a team last year. So I'm not entirely sure on
[396.04] Clint: 100 percent how they run it but yeah four pilots two transponders switching the transponders
[402.36] Clint: And then each team sort of going around and doing that thing I think and one egg
[408.12] John: One egg
[409.88] John: I think we should stick eggs on the front of the court just to make it fun. Otherwise the runaways will run away
[415.0] Clint: It wouldn't be the first time would it Tony?
[417.56] Jae: Tony's a big superstar, I think
[420.12] Tony: We used tomatoes and I think I won that race
[423.8] Jae: Uh, you did actually and I thought it was super glued
[426.2] Jae: I mean there was there was uh
[427.48] Jae: There's a dispute of whether it was super glue but even proven it wasn't so these teams then have teams have four
[433.16] Jae: How many teams uh, is it uh going to be relaying racing and how many people are going to be taking part from the team side?
[439.24] Clint: So currently we have 12 registered teams. There are four spaces left
[443.64] Clint: Um, so yeah only four spaces left now and uh, two two weeks two days to register the four before it all starts
[450.44] Clint: That's a lot. You got a team
[454.52] Jae: Was officially my first ever race ever and
[457.48] Jae: It was hair raising, but it was good fun
[459.56] Jae: And actually if you've never done it before and you're scared of going against, you know
[463.08] Jae: Pilots and everything people like tony and the fossil stuff team. Um, don't worry
[468.44] Jae: It's actually just fun to take part and have a go
[471.48] Jae: um
[472.52] Jae: I know last year that the pilot or the teams that weren't so confident
[476.2] Jae: They weren't counting necessarily per gate. Whereas the professional teams they were counting every gate and if they missed a gate
[481.16] Jae: there was sort of penalties, but
[483.32] Jae: If you there's four spaces left, make sure you sign up and have a go
[487.0] Clint: I suppose one of the great things about the team racing is it takes some of the pressure off as well, doesn't it?
[490.68] Clint: Especially if you're a newbie, you're not sort of always just me on my own
[493.8] Clint: You have your you have the other free team members there to back you up and look after you
[498.2] Jae: Yeah, john, are you prepared to have a race? Are you coming down to the event?
[502.28] John: Yeah, well, it sounds like perhaps I should I I missed out last year. Well, I didn't miss out. I just didn't go
[510.44] John: Well, it's it's it's hidden valley it's it's uh
[514.12] John: It's a farm stall a tree and an old house with a load of sheep shit
[518.2] John: But I mean there is a certain there isn't a certain appeal I suppose
[522.76] John: That's about three trees four trees
[526.12] John: Yeah, I think i've got i've got a bitter taste because
[529.24] John: I destroyed a gopro and one of my tweakers the last time I was there on my last battery of the day. So
[538.6] John: Yeah
[539.96] Jae: I mean it seems to be in front of it, but it's not just the team racing as well
[543.48] Jae: I think there's more racing and more events going on
[546.36] Clint: Yeah, so there's going to be a solo solo racing as well. So
[551.32] Clint: Um, I think we've got 14
[553.32] Clint: I think it's 42 registered solo racers to put in some times and uh, see see who's the
[559.16] Clint: overall fastest on their own
[562.04] Jae: Wow, but you are
[564.52] Jae: Up against uh competent pilots. Don't be put off. No, but uh, hey the register is still open for the uh,
[571.88] Jae: The uh, so they're racing or have you already got enough pilots for that one?
[577.16] Clint: Um, so today the freestyle events have been closed off because there are 25 pilots already registered freestyle
[585.16] Clint: and
[586.28] Clint: With if we take an account for five minutes per pilot, which is a two-minute flight
[591.88] Clint: About two minutes of flying and sort of three minutes of starting and stopping getting quads off the ground and everything. It's uh
[598.92] Clint: It takes quite a lot of time. So we've kind of had to limit it to the 25
[603.32] Clint: um as for the for the solo racing we can sort of do that in spurts and just sort of make it work through throughout the
[609.64] Clint: weekend, I think so
[611.56] Clint: That's a bit more easy going
[612.92] Clint: But yeah, I think with the freestyle, especially as a lot of people seem to want it to be
[617.64] Clint: more of an event this year as well a lot of people have asked about freestyle and making sure that we
[622.44] Clint: Sort of do as much as we can with it. So hopefully it'll be good
[625.4] Jae: Yeah, good to see more freestyle events like popping up or the desire to have these freestyle events
[631.4] Clint: Yeah, we've got some we've got some fun obstacles for up as well. So, um, we've got some towers
[637.16] Clint: And some sort of pvc obstacles that people can go through and and use to make it a bit more be more interesting
[645.48] Jae: Is that your your uh, homemade pvc tower by any chance homemade that is professional
[651.48] UNKNOWN: I'm sorry
[652.84] Jae: You know like sometimes if you're talking about food in the pub homemade's good
[655.48] Jae: But you're saying that your homemade isn't professional or it is professional
[660.52] Clint: That thing took me about four days to build so i'm quite proud of it. But yeah, no, we'll be using that we'll be using that tower
[666.92] Clint: Um, it's it's been through it's been through hell and back and it's still going strong. So yeah, it's
[672.36] Clint: Should hold up for the weekend
[674.84] Tony: I'm just gonna approach any questions
[678.28] Clint: A little bit
[680.44] Clint: Bit of an unfair advantage I suppose but yeah a little bit. It's good fun. Actually, it really does help you work on
[686.52] Clint: close quarter stuff
[688.2] Clint: And and sort of timing and and trying to come back on things and everything like that. So
[692.92] Clint: Yeah, it's definitely good. I think everybody should have one especially with freestyle
[697.88] Jae: Just on the five minute thing not everyone gets to fly for five minutes. Anyway, I mean last time I saw a
[703.32] Jae: Freestyle event done at let's run out some people crashed out within 30 seconds
[707.32] Clint: I know
[708.36] Clint: We still have to account so we still have to account if each pilot has two minutes to fly
[712.6] Clint: And obviously they need to be able to get their quad ready take off
[715.96] Clint: And then they need to land and if they do crash they still won't pick the quad up. So
[719.96] Clint: If we account
[721.96] Jae: If anyone's struggling to work out what to do, uh, we have our local resident egg or honor
[727.8] Jae: If that's such a thing and that is john because john is the sort of person that whilst you're flying will say do a backflip
[733.32] Jae: Do this do this under the tree do a massive power loop five rolls through a tree
[737.48] John: Don't you john? Come on. That's how people become better pilots is because I'd tell them to do shit that they wouldn't normally do
[743.96] John: Yeah
[746.2] John: John take them on so who eggs you on then john? Who's I don't need egging on i'm just naturally gifted
[758.28] John: Yeah
[760.28] John: There was a power loop down that track in between the two big oak trees that killed that and
[765.64] John: I pulled it off, but I skid-plated it and when I skid-plated it it snapped the gopro off and destroyed it
[772.12] John: But yeah, I mean egging on is it's part of the fun of it, isn't it?
[775.56] John: Because I know that you'll try it and i'm hoping that you'll break a quad, you know
[780.6] Jae: Actually, you know what everyone secretly hopes that everyone else can't fly so they can don't have to worry about issues to fight
[785.56] John: That's nice
[787.24] John: Well, there's that as well. Yeah, I get more fly time if you're busy fixing a motor
[791.72] Jae: I'll tell you what when you come down if you when you come down to the air show
[794.2] Jae: I'll let you take my freestyle spot and I'll egg you on and you will win. How's that?
[798.52] John: Well, we'll see
[801.16] Jae: Don't forget everyone if you tuned in drop into the chat room
[803.24] Jae: We're going to actually test john's knowledge today since he's a know-it-all and that's not his hair stacked up on end
[807.88] Jae: That's just his head growing
[810.6] Jae: So
[812.6] Jae: Also custom mounts if you like there's a page that you need to like one of his videos and it'll do your free 3d print
[821.0] Jae: Tony
[822.04] Jae: Your battle scars, how are you doing? Actually?
[824.2] Jae: Do you want to give us a close-up of your battle scars and see how you've been getting it all fixed up, man
[829.96] Tony: I think that wow that is a good recovery
[833.32] Tony: Pretty good for two weeks
[835.08] Tony: Looking good. Yeah, it must be your vegan diet
[838.04] Tony: Yeah, man, I think it was all to do with the vegan diet
[841.72] Tony: Yeah
[843.56] Jae: So yeah, have you been out flying much since that incident?
[846.44] Tony: Um, i've been out a couple of times. I haven't raced yet with anyone since then but um, I think we're going
[852.6] Tony: I'm going back to the
[854.36] Tony: Place it happened on sunday
[857.64] Jae: Oh
[858.84] Jae: Scary and you're still not
[861.64] Jae: I think i'd be a bit nervous going out into the track
[863.8] Jae: But obviously probably rules have changed for everyone that you fly with now saying that
[867.8] Tony: They definitely have changed we are no one's going on the track until everyone's either crashed out or finished racing
[875.56] Jae: Uh, and if anyone hadn't tuned in and missed it tony basically, uh tried to get intimate with a quad
[881.56] Jae: At about 50 60 miles an hour and obviously trying to kiss it it got it chin
[888.52] Tony: Yeah, and chest it bounced from there to my chest
[892.44] Jae: So you're going to be reopening team fossil stuff this year in the relay race?
[896.76] Tony: We're team unorganized at the moment. I don't even think
[900.36] Tony: We have um put the page properly yet. We've all our pilots are away
[905.64] Tony: Everyone's away
[907.48] Tony: Jb's in america
[909.72] Tony: Um all the rest of the crew are away
[913.0] Tony: Um on a white so
[915.16] Jae: Is ed gonna be done?
[916.76] Tony: Um ed's away
[919.56] Jae: Everyone is we're calling um temporary members to be fossil stuff john
[923.96] Jae: Do you want to be team fossil stuff for a year weekend?
[927.16] John: Well, if they want to lose because I hit gates a lot or miss them if I don't feel like it
[931.0] John: So yeah, i'm in I don't mind
[933.32] John: If i'm there you still go you still gotta
[935.96] John: Afford me a ticket for free. Yeah
[944.12] Jae: So clinton obviously there's more
[946.2] Jae: I heard something about an aerial art sort of gallery where people can bring along their photos that look beautiful and only taken with the drone
[953.24] Jae: um
[954.76] Clint: Is that something still yeah, I think so the idea where we're focusing everything in the bunkers more this year it means that we can do
[962.76] Clint: sort of have tables for people to bring stuff and show off stuff and I think uh
[967.64] Clint: To show off some maybe some videos and some art and photos that people have taken and aerial shots and stuff. I think that'd be
[974.76] Clint: Quite a good thing to have really saw a different side of
[978.04] Clint: FPV racing
[979.56] Jae: Because it's not just racing or freestyling is it there's there's more people coming
[982.68] Jae: There's people coming down for talks and things that it's not just a flying event. Is it you don't have to fly to turn up
[989.64] Clint: No, that's the thing, isn't it? It's all about drone awareness more than anything. So
[993.56] Clint: For the drone pilots out there. It's so you can sort of get together be a part of the community the massive community that is
[1000.6] Clint: drones
[1001.64] Clint: and then everybody else that wants to sort of see what they are and
[1004.92] Clint: find out how
[1006.76] Clint: You know how to get into it and what's involved and how expensive it can be
[1014.76] Jae: Ain't that the truth spend your money on quads and have nothing left for food
[1019.88] Jae: It's the painful game it really is
[1022.92] Jae: You know what though I wouldn't swap it for anything
[1025.64] Jae: it's uh
[1026.6] UNKNOWN: it's
[1027.56] Jae: Like I think like it captures many of us once you've caught that bug and especially once you've got FPV flight and things
[1033.8] Jae: Um, it's so easy
[1035.96] Tony: It's so addictive, isn't it?
[1039.24] Clint: So if you don't have quite at least once haven't they didn't just come back like an hour later
[1044.6] Jae: So, um, you're part of the team I believe uh, clinton
[1048.76] Jae: Oh, yeah team teams. Did you do that?
[1052.44] Jae: With you
[1053.88] Jae: Yeah with me. I mean I was there last year team that does if you do I think it was uh, but
[1059.64] Jae: My whole team one person couldn't fly because his vtx got to the first gate and then cut out
[1063.64] Jae: So he couldn't do a single lock around there somebody didn't actually turn up and the other person turned up
[1068.36] Jae: But didn't actually get his failsafe working. So it was team me
[1076.2] Clint: I've actually only been around a racetrack twice once once was with tony last year sort of friendly
[1081.08] Clint: Just a quick blitz around and the uh, the second time was last sunday
[1085.4] Clint: With some of the local boys down here. So it'll be interesting to see see how it actually goes
[1089.96] Jae: It might be I mean, let's face it i've seen some of your freestyle stuff and everything
[1094.52] Jae: You're not a bad pilot. So I think you'll be you'll be fine. You'll be fine
[1098.84] Jae: Quad destroyer, isn't it?
[1100.92] Jae: Have you done official racing john?
[1103.0] John: That's what I want to see no
[1108.52] John: I've done our trek days and that's about it. I mean it's you know, i've got uh,
[1113.32] John: I've got other things that I do on the weekends when it's sunny
[1116.76] Jae: Like fly no, but um, well, like I said, it's good to have a go if you've never done it before
[1124.68] Jae: What are you
[1126.68] John: I'll fly helix. What's your favorite? So I mean it's it's a
[1130.84] John: It's it's I suppose if I if I tilted the angle up it would be a it would be a real racer
[1135.32] John: But I like it. It's 30 degrees and i'm busy printing out a
[1139.8] John: A new uh, gopro stands that I can video
[1143.64] John: Um things that look a bit sorry i'm in the middle of a game of rocket league here at the same
[1153.24] Jae: You know what I told I told the uh, I ran a drone workshop and I actually said computer games good and actually
[1158.44] John: All these people hooked on hockey. There's my there's my 30 degree angle
[1161.96] John: Yeah, so that it's it's just great for it's so it's so light and it hangs so well
[1166.2] John: So it's great for it's great for uh for acro. It was falling down here
[1170.36] Jae: Hangs so well and falls off the wall
[1174.52] Jae: Perfect
[1176.92] Jae: Um
[1178.52] Jae: Yeah, I mean i'm quite lucky on the communion frame
[1180.92] Jae: I can adjust the camera angle because since nj was giving us a little bit of uh aching on since you weren't there
[1185.48] Jae: Saying you gotta fly with 50 degrees. You gotta fly with 50 degrees
[1188.6] Jae: Um, I started and I realized that actually oh you're recording hd camera is still looking at the ground even though you're looking
[1195.64] Jae: Yeah
[1197.24] John: I can't get into the
[1198.84] John: I can't get into the when you've got a slopey camera. So 50 uh 45 degrees or more. I can't get into the
[1206.2] John: The mechanics of flight, you know, it's a different way of flying
[1209.8] John: You know what I mean? You're you you need to feed a lot more you're in to counteract
[1214.76] John: Offsets and things which which you don't have to do at 30 degrees
[1219.0] John: 35 degrees, you know, so and and that's the thing that whole line. Yeah, that's the thing that um, yeah exactly. Yeah
[1226.36] Jae: I I mean I I was I was finding that but I mean look watch back over my video and what I was doing was
[1232.66] Jae: Constantly correcting so it looks so
[1235.24] Jae: Shoddy, I mean, I wasn't trying to get race footage. Uh, sorry smooth footage
[1239.16] Jae: It is a bit of a mind meld type thing to do that. Have you got any tips for starting to fly at higher angles than tony?
[1246.44] Jae: Other than just stick
[1248.2] Tony: Start live and just
[1250.2] Tony: Go up gradually. Yeah
[1253.24] Clint: Yeah
[1254.52] Tony: But the problem is don't just go straight
[1258.28] Tony: You need to just go up like that slowly
[1261.16] Tony: Cut the batteries more batteries more batteries
[1264.6] Tony: And then you'll start getting it. I mean, I don't even I don't think I think my camera is 45 probably
[1271.72] Tony: Not more than that
[1273.72] Tony: A couple of my mates fly well rich lies probably at 60
[1278.92] Tony: He he looks at the top of his quad always joke about him looking at his own GoPro
[1284.04] Tony: That's all you see for his goggles is him. He's caught just
[1288.68] Tony: Looking up at his underneath of his spot
[1292.28] Tony: Mental angle, that's crazy
[1295.48] Jae: It is despite the chelix deals, isn't it? We've got a few questions in the chatroom
[1298.84] Jae: What uh, what is that? Well say hello to chris aka hobo joe
[1303.72] Tony: Uh, what kind of green patches is in that thing?
[1307.64] Jae: Nick mike's in the tricky tube green patches
[1311.16] Jae: Ah
[1312.36] Jae: So come on, we want questions for john really difficult ones. I think there was one from uh
[1316.6] Jae: Someone in one of our groups chats, but I can't find it
[1321.0] John: Come on chris throw those throw those questions over chris
[1324.44] Jae: Yeah, he was gonna like he wanted someone knowledgeable and that's why we put you on here
[1328.28] Jae: And obviously the mad einstein hair. We thought it'd be a perfect match. But this is uh, three days after haircut. Oh, wow
[1337.96] Jae: Uh
[1340.6] Jae: Yeah, so what are you with printing at the moment? I see your 3d printers going in the background
[1343.8] Jae: Is that just another gopro mount? Is that all you're printing these days gopro mounts?
[1347.72] John: Um in the process of designing one, um for the beast
[1351.4] John: Okay, and it's a it's a long and drawn out process and i've got a box of a box of failed attempts over here
[1358.84] John: So a bunch of a bunch of failed attempts, so this was attempt number one
[1364.92] John: Which is sort of a rip off of the normal ones
[1367.64] John: This is a an improved number one, but it's broken
[1370.76] John: But I mean it's the the idea is a shroud but that's too heavy
[1373.8] John: So neil's saying that's too heavy. So I went so then we've gone to something a little bit
[1378.68] John: More slick. So that's a a beast. Wow 30 degree mount
[1384.12] John: Because that looks quite flexible very flexible. In fact, yeah, this is tpe. It's it's soft. It's like a soft rubber
[1390.68] John: Yeah, but it's it's got a bit of structure to it
[1393.16] John: Um, and this is pla. This is what happens when you hit mountains with beasts
[1398.12] John: But um, so so i'm slowly but surely sort of designing the thing and this is the latest sort of prototype
[1403.56] John: An example of half of a prototype this this print failed. It's a bit. It's a bit bigger
[1408.92] John: But it fits the top plate really well
[1411.16] John: I've got a beast here and i'll show you what I mean with another one of these prototypes. So it hooks on
[1417.56] John: And it plugs in so it's so you don't lose it
[1420.04] John: You know the worst thing is you have one of these wedge things you take a gopro off put it on another quad
[1424.36] John: And then you lose your mount in the grass or some crap like that. Whereas this the beast has got these little
[1432.28] John: Little holes in the top plate there on the left and right between the screws
[1436.12] John: And all i've done is i've just manufactured the base of this thing to slot into that
[1441.16] John: So it will slot right in there and snap in so that you don't lose this you can't it's not it's going to hold the drone
[1446.84] John: But it won't you can't you still need a strap to hold the the gopro on
[1450.84] Jae: Yeah, I much prefer using straps though than pushing something in well, exactly. Yeah, so I mean
[1456.2] John: Um, it just it's lighter. So this thing weighs seven grams
[1459.96] John: As opposed to one of these things which weigh about 19 grams and according to neil
[1466.12] John: 10 grams makes a difference apparently so
[1471.08] John: 10 grams does make a difference to me
[1473.96] Jae: That's it
[1474.76] John: Well, I do believe these things these things are super light as you know
[1479.08] John: Yours is somewhat heavier probably 100 grams heavier the chameleon. Yeah, um, whereas these little beasts and things these run in at
[1486.2] John: Without a gopro and a battery on they're running at about 330 340 grams, which is super light
[1491.8] John: So if you've got the right combination of props and things for acro, you get a hell of a float
[1497.48] John: You know, you can hang in the sky and it doesn't fall quickly
[1500.2] John: Which makes a big difference and every gram does count because because if you aren't lifting that gram
[1505.72] John: You've got that much energy back into your flight time effectively, you know
[1510.92] John: So even if it's two or three seconds, it's still two or three seconds
[1513.48] John: Then it all adds up stewart and christen then we're going on about titanium bolts and saving your weight and the reality is is that
[1520.2] John: A packet of bolts weighs a bit of ways, you know, here's a here's a thing
[1524.68] John: If they're still uh bolts that weighs that probably weighs about 60 70 80 grams, you know
[1529.88] John: So if there's 10 of those of 20 of those on your quad
[1533.24] John: That's 20 times, you know half a gram each it's it's adding up. Hey my five seconds extra flight time or something
[1540.04] John: It's all noticeable, isn't it? There's a difference but uh, I don't think to the layman to the average flyer
[1546.12] John: It's it's noticeable to me. It's not noticeable. Um, but to people that
[1550.6] John: That um understand the mechanics of flight and and understand things a lot more than I do. I'm sure it does. So, you know
[1558.44] John: We've got a one trend
[1562.52] Jae: Well, actually yeah, that's true every so often but don't spend too much money on boarding the hype train because sometimes it doesn't get
[1568.12] Jae: To its destination. That's all i'll say
[1571.4] Jae: Watch the video today. You were a guy with destinations. It's no longer a hype train anymore
[1576.76] Jae: It's a regular running train at the moment only because only because you've got one now
[1582.44] Jae: Actually
[1588.44] Jae: A season ticket for the next nation before I get on it
[1596.76] Jae: People are now building frames with a lot of aluminium on them
[1599.88] Jae: I mean the beast was one of the first ones that I saw obviously the obsession the comedian and there's many more that are coming
[1605.16] Jae: through like that, um
[1608.04] John: But
[1609.16] John: I've noticed a few people but you know what the attraction you know what the attraction of that is though the attraction of the
[1615.8] John: It's the it's the lack of standoffs
[1617.88] John: Standoffs are the weak link in a in any frame you look at any one of those old h frames with the top deck and the bottom
[1623.48] John: Deck and standoffs the weakest link is always the the six or eight standoffs you have
[1628.92] John: Because you're not putting titanium standoffs in you're putting aluminium soft aluminium standoffs that just bend
[1635.0] John: So get rid of them
[1636.52] John: And that's what these aluminium sub structures are all about
[1639.4] John: It's about improving the quality because those things are typically, you know, 70 76 or whatever it is aircraft
[1645.56] John: aluminium or the or whatever, but I mean the cheap standoffs you get are
[1650.12] John: You know shower door aluminium not not exactly that powerful strong
[1655.08] John: no
[1657.24] John: Shower door
[1659.4] Jae: Like an aircraft grade even whatever it is. That's the ultimate
[1663.88] Clint: So I'm a comedian as well because I keep seeing picture after picture after picture of people smashing the fronts of them up
[1670.12] Clint: Um, actually i've got a photo from neil today. I think he's done it as well where he's he's bent one side in
[1675.56] Clint: It's just destroying his camera
[1678.28] Jae: Of what sorry, what's this?
[1680.12] Clint: So neil neil sent me a photo earlier where?
[1682.68] Clint: Has he got a comedian or I don't know
[1684.04] Clint: He sent me a picture of a comedian where they the aluminium front
[1687.48] Clint: And the bar on the side has just pushed in and destroyed the camera and i've seen quite a few of them now
[1692.12] Clint: And that's the only thing that's sort of putting me off
[1695.4] Jae: Yeah, the omitting. I mean, yeah
[1698.2] Jae: Uh kleger has flown one and he flies very hard, uh, and he's managed to break one of the frames
[1702.84] Jae: Um a lot of the obsessions are breaking but the truth be known
[1706.12] Jae: He hasn't had that long
[1707.16] Jae: His brain is
[1708.6] Jae: Indestructible, what are you flying through attorney?
[1710.6] Tony: I've just said he hasn't had that long and he's already destroyed it who kleger
[1715.8] Jae: It's because he tries shit
[1717.8] Jae: Uh, no, he flies hard
[1719.88] Jae: He he he like flies so hard into the tree to try and knock the tree over. He's that you know, he's that brave
[1725.88] Tony: Does anyone subscribe to that?
[1728.04] Tony: Um, I don't know how to pronounce his youtube name. He's like kebab fpv or kabob or
[1734.12] Tony: Babadobadobble
[1738.2] Tony: You'll have to give us a few more clues there tony. I don't know he flies. Um, he was I watched his video today
[1744.36] Tony: And he said anything under 250 grams or anything over 200
[1749.56] Tony: everything anything over 250 grams
[1753.08] Tony: You shouldn't use for racing and it's too heavy
[1758.52] Tony: 50 grams, yeah, um, so who's your sponsor?
[1768.36] John: This is this is one of this is one of nj's um arguments is that there's a well
[1773.0] John: I think a lot of a lot of the the pro designers and things there's a
[1777.4] John: There's a point at which something becomes too light
[1780.36] John: Because you lose the the inertia that the weight gives you
[1784.6] John: And with inertia comes control
[1787.72] John: So you you need
[1789.4] John: weight to control the to to
[1791.62] John: Control the heavy turns and things like that to a certain degree. I mean if this thing was
[1795.8] John: Was in zero degrees and just had uh in an infinite like power, you know
[1800.84] John: um to weight ratio
[1802.84] John: It would be it would be unflyable. The the the controller wouldn't be able to handle the
[1808.28] John: The oscillations. I mean the you know what I mean? It's it needs weight. You need weight
[1812.04] John: It's just I don't know what that weight that critical weight is. There's got to be some critical weight
[1816.76] John: It's some somewhere in the world that that um that
[1821.24] John: We get to where everything just works to its absolute optimal. So 250 grams you reckon
[1828.84] Jae: That's an answer I believe is it uh, I think we've just got it from
[1833.24] Jae: That's tiny. What's kebab?
[1835.64] Jae: Quads kebab no back to kebab fpv. Is that the one you're trying to mention? Yeah. Yeah
[1841.16] Jae: It was zero studies designed the hyperlight
[1844.6] Jae: I guess you know
[1845.72] Jae: Like if you if you're trying to change your momentum if you've gone through again
[1849.0] Jae: You need to do a hard turn obviously your weight that you have to therefore change the inertia a light frame is good
[1855.08] Jae: but
[1855.96] Jae: unless you're actually any good and you're not hitting anything then I think actually having a well-built quad because
[1861.72] Jae: Gates do destroy quads the ground destroys quads as you come down
[1865.24] John: Yeah, but there's the opposite argument there where weight is
[1869.24] John: An impact is just it's just one of newton's laws for every force. There's an equal and opposite opposite force
[1875.8] John: so if you're putting 300 kilogram or 300 grams at at
[1880.92] John: 60 mile an hour into a gate the force to someone's chin
[1885.4] John: Yeah
[1888.28] John: The uh, the opposing force is equal to that which means theoretically the heavier your cord the more damage gets done in the in
[1895.0] John: The equation whether it's to the gate or to your quad. That's the that's the trade-off. Yeah
[1899.96] John: on quad design and
[1901.96] John: Quality, so I don't know. I think light is good because light for for acro light means
[1909.48] John: Longer longer flight times is the is the longest is the best thing the most important thing for me
[1923.29] Tony: It doesn't really
[1925.85] Jae: But this 305 grams is that the cobra to joy 724 or no which which motors are that on it's gonna get 305 grams
[1933.85] Jae: Wow
[1937.29] Tony: yeah
[1940.17] Tony: My freestyle cord is about five
[1947.21] Jae: And again it comes down to though
[1950.49] Jae: They all fly differently and stuff and whether you'll actually notice much of a difference between 10 and 50 grams
[1955.21] Jae: Maybe not 100 grams. You might I
[1957.21] Jae: I can only fly what i've got and at least I want something in a little because i'm not always accurate through gates
[1961.85] Jae: I need something a bit tougher and generally the bit tougher frames are a bit thicker carbon and a bit thicker of the you know
[1967.61] Jae: stuff
[1968.41] Jae: I'm not saying it's indestructible
[1970.49] Jae: So who uh for you lot clinton john have you tried any four and one escs?
[1976.01] Clint: I haven't yet. No i'm thinking about it
[1980.01] Jae: I think for a while it was always well if i'm
[1982.89] Jae: I'd want to change it over. But how many times have I knackered an esc? I think in the last year i've done one
[1988.89] John: Yeah
[1990.73] John: That's fair to say but you the one that you've done was out on an arm where it was getting its own cooling it had
[1999.61] John: All of the space around it on its own to cool itself
[2002.65] John: Whereas now i'm packing four of them in the middle of a sandwich with limited airflow
[2007.93] John: And all of them contributing to the same heat mess
[2011.53] John: so
[2012.89] John: I i'm not a massive fan
[2015.21] John: I don't think you need I sort of tricky ask early on
[2018.65] John: Do you do you need a four in one to get a um a neat build chris will argue that in order to get a small build
[2024.17] John: You have to get one have to use a four in one
[2026.65] John: But I don't I mean i've only ever burnt out one esc and then i've prop struck another ec so it's two that i've done
[2032.89] John: in my whole time so
[2035.13] John: You know the the odds say that yeah four in one is is a workable solution
[2039.61] John: But I think I think from a an engineering standpoint. It's got a long a shorter
[2045.21] John: Lifespan because of the heat, you know heat is the the end all of everything
[2050.57] Tony: Yeah, i'd like that but i've been running
[2054.17] Tony: 20 and little bees in the back of a bottle
[2057.13] Tony: Six things for over a year
[2059.53] Tony: a year and a half stacks together
[2062.09] Jae: Actually, even on
[2064.97] Tony: Yeah, haven't you really put
[2066.97] Tony: And running five for five s now and again and carrying a GoPro all the time
[2072.01] John: Okay, what i'm like
[2074.25] John: I wonder what the I wonder what the airflow through one of those fossil frames is actually it was it completely sealed off
[2079.29] Tony: There must be some there is there's there's holes. I mean there's air holes on the bottom and that's all so
[2085.85] John: Yeah, but they still they're still individual though
[2088.49] John: So when one ESC's board gets hot hot the it's only that ESC's board that's getting hot whereas
[2095.61] Tony: They're strapped together
[2097.77] John: Yeah, but they individually heat sail sealed though
[2101.29] John: So when you when it's one board that heat will distribute will dissipate into all four of the devices
[2108.17] John: Much quicker than if they just stacked
[2110.65] Jae: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, but it sounds like somebody needs to try this out. Uh
[2116.09] Tony: Yeah
[2119.61] Clint: The only one out there is the race light one for the race flight ones are having problems as well, aren't they?
[2126.81] Jae: Do you want to tell us more about that then uh clinton?
[2128.81] Clint: I don't know that they released the video and it made was it last week?
[2131.61] Clint: um, I think a lot of people are having problems with their all-in-one ESC's
[2135.53] Clint: And uh, what they've done is they've now started sending out free capacitors to put on them
[2139.61] Clint: Apparently when uh when you're breaking the motors are throwing the power back into the
[2143.69] Tony: Yeah, but that's that's not
[2146.41] Clint: No, I'm sorry. I saw a heat issue, but there's an issue
[2149.61] Clint: People that have had issues with the race flight. Is that with breaking then that it's
[2154.73] Jae: I mean that must be where it's getting the rest of its its current back and heating up because it doesn't have anything to do
[2160.41] John: That'll be that that'll be the act of breaking
[2163.05] John: um
[2163.93] John: Generating back pressure in the electrical circuitry, which is effective
[2167.85] John: Is it is it is it causing problems for the ESC's or is it causing problems for every all the other electronics in the gas rigs?
[2174.81] Tony: All of the above
[2177.45] Clint: I'm not sure I really may like I said
[2180.09] Clint: They released uh, they released the video about a week ago
[2182.65] Clint: Which was a solution to the problems that people were getting with their particular ESC
[2187.53] Clint: um, I mean let's face it you should probably have caps on now for everything but
[2191.77] Clint: um, yeah, apparently
[2193.85] Tony: Apparently just the noise and everything coming back from the motors was throwing ESC's out with whatever desyncing or whatever
[2209.93] John: But you had a fat cap on the on the on the side of the ESC as well though
[2214.09] Jae: Yeah, he did. So it was actually period see that you'd do that
[2217.21] Jae: But to save space now, they decided to either make it smaller or not
[2220.81] Tony: Does he does he's a little bit he's haven't gotten them on lately. They don't know they they've got
[2227.13] John: So that was the so the little bee's got like a little a little block capacitor on the ESC itself
[2232.57] John: Which has been gone for a while now, but as well
[2234.89] John: but
[2235.69] John: The the the whole point about the little bees is was that active braking was
[2239.85] John: Was the most aggressive of all of them because the dys
[2242.97] John: Didn't have that and the acorns didn't have that it was only the little bees that had that and that's when this whole
[2247.45] John: Slap any cap over your battery terminal, you know start everything and then it started getting big
[2252.81] John: I mean they started off with thousand microfarads or something and then and then it was or
[2257.85] John: 25 volts then it was 35 volts. There's my cap. It's the one that comes with the matek board
[2263.29] John: It's just above the just above the thing
[2266.09] John: It's a force. It's a 470. So
[2269.53] John: Because what will happen is if if that if those ESCs ever back pressure and try and blow the circuitry that cap will pop
[2276.09] John: I don't care if that cap pops and I just pop a new one on you know
[2279.05] John: It doesn't have to be a massive heavy capacitor to fly around with
[2284.41] Jae: No, but I I mean it's often for smoothing out your power lines and everything isn't it of course it is yeah
[2289.69] Jae: They're useful. I'd say and i'd rather put a cap on even if it does detract from the sexiness of a build
[2295.21] John: I'm not saying don't put a cap on i'm just saying you don't need a massive cap
[2298.25] John: You just need a tiny cap, you know, just have to have the right amount of just don't go slow
[2304.09] Tony: There is
[2311.69] Clint: The video on the race flight is actually probably worth watching because um
[2314.65] Clint: I think the the problems they were having is noise was coming all the way back to the flight controller
[2320.41] Clint: From from the active braking and it was actually throwing
[2324.01] Clint: Throwing gyros and everything off. Let's just
[2327.53] Jae: You were saying in that video
[2328.57] Jae: They actually said what type of capacitors probably that they found to be the best ones to use
[2332.49] Clint: Yeah, somebody do a panasonic. I don't know. Maybe they're just
[2336.09] Jae: Maybe they're sponsored by panasonic
[2338.89] Clint: Yeah, that'd be something. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I think they've done some testing and uh in the video
[2343.61] Clint: They actually show you all the testing they're doing with the capacitors
[2346.57] Clint: Um, that's uh, it's an interesting video. Yeah behind the cactus. So it's an interesting video to watch
[2353.29] Clint: Um, but mind you saying that I put capacitor in mine and it actually made my flight horrible
[2357.85] Tony: Same in it
[2359.85] Tony: Well, I did exactly the same
[2362.65] Jae: placebo though, did you think oh no, it's extra weight in some of the uh, no, no, it's it's horrible
[2367.13] Clint: No, it was um, I was getting problems with the camera. It was flickering with uh with the cap on and also it just felt a bit wobbly
[2376.2] Tony: I'm saying
[2377.4] Tony: Mine flew terrible
[2380.12] Tony: So clinton i've got a question for you
[2382.76] Jae: And maybe other have you have you decided on a frame yet? Because you will
[2386.36] Jae: I haven't so here's what frame should clinton buy
[2390.04] Tony: What have you got?
[2392.04] Tony: Buys one every week you might as well just name one seven for a
[2396.76] Tony: couple of months
[2399.32] Clint: I uh, yeah, I go through quite a few that's good to be fair. But um, yeah
[2404.44] Clint: You know what I was looking the other day and i've had it for seven months now
[2407.96] Clint: I've had the same frame for seven months. It's been run over
[2411.4] Clint: Um, it's it's been bashed. It's been it got run over by two cars
[2415.8] Clint: It's been bashed. It hit a tree full on and that's clinton running it over with his own car. No, it wasn't my car
[2423.16] Clint: I'll run my gopro over that was my car
[2428.82] Tony: That's worse than rooms in it valley
[2431.62] Jae: We've got a few more people joining us in the chat room
[2433.78] Jae: Uh, which you can find on the youtube on the right if you're not there bloods fpv matikala fpv
[2438.82] Jae: We've got matt gammons and sundance squid. There's quite a few in there actually now. Welcome everyone
[2444.1] Jae: We've got 29 watching. I think we're just setting in a record. John. Wow
[2448.58] Jae: No, but tricky did post it around everywhere. So thank you. Well if it's your first time here
[2452.42] Jae: We do this every week
[2453.94] Jae: Uh, sometimes I write the same people on sometimes we don't so we open it up to everything there
[2458.82] Jae: um
[2460.34] Jae: and actually uh
[2462.1] Jae: We do thank everyone that tunes in this week and our patrons and our sponsor
[2465.94] Jae: Do you want to tell us who our sponsor is this week tony?
[2470.76] Tony: as ever
[2475.48] Tony: Eat the main man. He helps us out loads because uh behind the scenes
[2480.92] Tony: We've got editors we've got people putting
[2483.96] Tony: Editing together. We've put it on you. Uh, we put it on youtube. It goes on to soundcloud. It goes on to apple
[2489.8] Tony: Lighting so you can listen back
[2493.24] Tony: For about a year and a half if you want you can go back and listen to us
[2497.24] Jae: Yeah, well since we started really
[2499.48] Jae: uh, also hello to that corner quads, I know yeah, I mean we're on um
[2504.12] Jae: Soundcloud and everywhere these days we we put ourselves out there just for the fun of it so you can laugh
[2509.0] Tony: And that's pretty much where the money goes
[2511.0] Tony: I'll leave it in and getting it up on there because we have to pay monthly for it to be there
[2515.0] Tony: Can you guys listen back?
[2517.88] Jae: So we are going to have a secret actually
[2520.6] Jae: Um, we do still have a running competition
[2522.6] Jae: I believe has anyone got any pictures yet of people on their fpv stances? I tried to get one of nj
[2528.04] Jae: He did rock a little bit. So if you're listening, uh nj
[2531.24] Jae: I I didn't get a photo but uh
[2533.96] Jae: Still the current winner in my book is sundance grid for his action-ready fpv stance
[2539.56] Clint: But uh, I would have had the perfect one was uh flying in the car park with a mate and he decided to stand up
[2544.92] Clint: Like flying his quad in the next week just fell over into a bush
[2550.36] Clint: But how to keep going because he's caught the still in the air
[2553.64] Jae: You know like the number of people i've seen fall over holding their transmitter and it's like a baby
[2558.12] Jae: They will make sure their transmitter doesn't get injured in their fall. Even if they take more knocks themselves
[2566.76] Jae: And I suppose it is a fair chunk of money
[2571.64] Jae: Um, so you haven't decided on the frame yet then clinton
[2574.84] Clint: No, i'm still i'm still working on it. Really get a beast dude. Get a beast
[2580.12] John: I mean, how do you rate the beast? Do you rate it? I rate it second to the helix
[2584.3] John: The helix is the helix is phenomenal. Um, I love the thing. It's it's uh, it's was fun to build
[2595.42] John: There's you don't have to piss about with flight controllers and everything it runs beta flight
[2600.14] John: It's got a osd on board and all that nonsense. It's it's a great build. It's a it's a great quote
[2605.74] John: I think it's brilliant. Um, i'm actually contemplating getting a second just to have spares
[2610.78] John: Because the seven-day wait time from australia is a bit undoable for me
[2614.86] John: But if I didn't have that i'd be flying this beast everywhere. It really is a great little thing. The only the only
[2620.22] John: Complaints i've got about it is the is the fact that the camera's a bit exposed and you can
[2624.78] John: Download it that little cow thing that I showed you earlier
[2627.58] John: Which is meant to give it a but i'm in it needs to be made out of some kind of reinforced
[2632.7] John: You know, um carbon fiber or whatever
[2634.94] John: so that it doesn't it doesn't die or some kind of rubber because
[2639.42] John: You smash lenses if you hit anything you smash your lens on the front of your fpv cam and they if you've got a decent
[2644.54] John: One that's like 12 bucks a time
[2648.25] Clint: 12 bucks for a camera
[2650.01] John: Yeah
[2651.21] John: No, just the lens lens
[2656.25] Clint: No, yeah, i've not decided but I mean it does look good maybe send me some links but my
[2661.77] Clint: The only thing that I find i've always found quite important is trying to get them in the uk
[2665.85] Clint: So when you do need spares or replacements, I don't want anything. You can just order them and get them next day
[2671.29] Clint: um
[2672.17] Clint: I'm gonna be flying x5s now
[2674.65] Clint: seven months
[2676.65] Clint: When I keep ordering frames and arms and spare plates and everything like that. The only thing that's really annoying me with it is
[2684.25] Clint: I bought
[2685.53] Clint: Seven brand new ac batteries and i'm currently down to three in about a month and a half just from where they're under
[2691.85] Clint: Slung on the bottom of the quad and just keep getting bashed
[2694.81] Tony: So try a 3d printed like
[2700.73] Clint: Yeah, i've had one of those somewhere around have one but yeah that got destroyed as well and then I
[2707.29] Jae: Cameras like vtx's are actually considerable parts just as much as props
[2711.21] Jae: I you don't want to you know replace them every single time, but you can't expect a camera to last forever and
[2717.53] Jae: It's one thing I don't actually have in my spare
[2719.77] Tony: Cameras are actually cheaper than batteries. I've rather destroyed a battery than the camera
[2724.81] Tony: Batteries are 120 something clear to the cameras
[2728.41] Jae: Camera takes you out of action at least just destroying a battery whilst you're out in the field. You can just fly the rest
[2733.77] John: So i'd rather destroy that square out as well
[2736.89] Tony: That's what tony's saying dumbass
[2747.07] John: That's why they invited me on because i'm not a
[2749.87] John: This is my new batteries that i'm starting to run from
[2752.75] John: tomorrow
[2754.51] John: Do you like them? I don't know. This is uh fresh out of the pack. So we'll find out tomorrow
[2760.83] John: The problem i've got is that um with with for some reason
[2765.95] John: It'd be props on which I have at the moment these
[2768.99] John: Oh john
[2771.79] John: You've just lost here
[2774.11] Jae: John i'm here
[2776.11] Jae: I've got his face
[2778.11] Jae: He's had nothing from you. Maybe your hair was caught in the interference with your brain. I don't know
[2782.99] Clint: You know the problem i've been getting with the aces is the uh, the xt 60s keep popping off
[2787.23] Clint: And when you actually look at the soldering, they're only soldered around the top. They have no solder flowing inside
[2792.19] Clint: And it's happened four of them now the xt 60s
[2795.15] Clint: Really?
[2797.63] John: Oh, that's because the that's because the your xt 60 plug is like inside in the fossil frame is like reinforced, isn't it?
[2804.03] Clint: It's like really solid in there flying the fossil flying x5
[2807.63] Clint: But I mean I do open up the claws inside to make sure it's high fit
[2812.51] Clint: And a few of them where they just welded inside where they obviously sparked
[2817.55] John: But it's actually fixed to the frame quite solidly as well, isn't it the xt 60 the xt 60 is yeah
[2823.15] Jae: Yeah, so i'm in
[2824.83] Jae: The recent design that it's on the comedian which actually has two wires that go over a rubber grommet from the xc60
[2830.35] Jae: It means there's a bit of play and it doesn't put all that stress in the solder joint
[2833.63] Jae: I think that's an absolutely amazing idea and you could probably recreate it
[2837.39] Jae: Just by having a rubber grommet that you have to you compress down. It is amazing idea
[2842.03] Clint: You're trying to sell me that comedian as much as I try
[2846.11] Jae: The xt 60 connector that is the best design i've seen to stop you ripping them off
[2851.23] Jae: As most people do when it's hard sold to the board to the pvp
[2854.99] Tony: I'm still flying my overlander batteries and i'm absolutely loving them
[2858.83] Tony: They just seem to just keep going and going i've had them bumps now
[2865.82] Tony: Sorry, have you tried the latest version?
[2868.38] Jae: I haven't tried those batteries
[2871.34] Jae: I'll give you a go. I'm liking the latest batteries at the moment. They've taken so many beatings
[2876.54] Jae: I've destroyed cells i've managed to de-sell it
[2878.38] Jae: You know take them apart fix up from two dead batteries and and they go strong and they still go strong even though i've
[2884.62] Jae: Put them back together
[2885.98] Jae: in a monstrosity fashion
[2891.77] Jae: But obviously this week there's a new version of beta flight out and I have actually seen the
[2896.49] Jae: And prop wash thing in action and I was very impressed. Uh, it was on nj text
[2901.05] Jae: Uh gt2, I believe
[2903.93] Jae: And it was very impressive. So has anyone else tried it john?
[2908.65] John: No, no, I mean I naturally don't have that problem
[2912.65] John: I'm kidding. I haven't tried it. Um, I need to probably upgrade but the thing flies so well at the moment that
[2919.21] John: They always change something and as long as none of the other parameters have changed, you know
[2924.33] Tony: Don't upgrade if it flies fine and you like the way you do it
[2927.29] Tony: Don't fall because i've done it the other day on beta flight. I was running two one seven like a year ago and I upgraded and
[2935.45] John: Aided it. Yeah, that's my I think um new software unless it's a bug new software is for a new quad really
[2943.13] Tony: Yeah
[2948.16] Jae: Switching motor direction the default in beta flight race flight clean flight etc
[2952.24] Jae: Is the prop spinning in the front and the back was there
[2955.76] Jae: There was that talk of having to spin the other way around is better. Have you done that?
[2959.52] John: No, that doesn't that doesn't work. I've tried that shit
[2964.64] Clint: Someone made a really good point about it the other day was that because they're spinning outwards
[2968.8] Tony: You don't get all the stuff or all the rubbish thrown all over your camera. So
[2976.48] John: Do you have to change some setting in the flight controller to tell it that the motors are going the wrong way around because I
[2981.04] John: Tried that I had them all wired the wrong way once and I thought oh, let's just try it out
[2984.8] John: And yaw didn't like that at all. Just freaking flat yaw spin constantly
[2989.12] John: So there must be some setting somewhere that that stops that from happening because if because i'm in it
[2995.04] John: My brain says that's exactly how it works
[2998.88] John: But when you think of how a flight controller talks to the motors if I want to yaw
[3003.12] John: In this direction if I want to yaw in this direction
[3006.4] John: I'm going to spin one of this one of these motors faster than the other to get it to pull in that direction
[3012.08] John: And if this motor is not spinning in that direction and it wants to yaw in that direction
[3016.4] John: It's going to it's going to yaw in the opposite direction
[3018.88] John: So the flight controller was fighting with itself constantly. I just didn't fly there must be some setting
[3024.56] John: In the flight controller to tell it that the motors are going the other way. Otherwise, it doesn't work race flight
[3028.96] Clint: I'm, not sure about but I can't even remember what it would be a flight little bit there
[3032.16] Clint: It's been so long, but race flight definitely has that feature
[3035.92] Jae: I mean i would kiss yeah from beta flight to kiss and then to race flight
[3039.76] Jae: So i'm tempted to try the new beta flight stuff again, and especially where people are saying it's very very uh, sweet on the flying
[3046.48] Jae: Um on my qavr might swap it out to put my old fp
[3050.56] Jae: You know f3 clone board in there because that's all it was running that I saw it on it. It was pretty good. So
[3056.4] Jae: Watch this space. I know kobo joke is a massive massive massive beta flight fan
[3061.12] Jae: In fact, I think he would sleep with bro if he could
[3064.32] Tony: How I know they used to know one of them until race flight come along
[3069.36] Tony: It was good having you on the show
[3075.36] Jae: Yeah, maybe yeah see if you can get him over for mini air show crinton
[3079.68] Clint: Get to know him. Who is that?
[3082.24] Clint: Boris b. Boris b. Well, you're always going to go it's worth worth a message
[3086.8] Jae: Have you asked people from around the world to see if they want to come over?
[3089.84] Clint: Yeah a few people
[3091.12] Clint: I just sent a few stuff, but um, i'm not sure what we've had back. Actually. I think andrew was
[3097.2] Clint: He was doing some of most of that stuff. So he's on
[3100.96] Clint: Coronary city was at a moment. Is it russia or
[3103.68] Jae: Uh Brussels, I think he's in for work
[3106.0] Clint: Is that russia? I don't know
[3108.08] Jae: Geography is almost strong point. Here's clinton's biography. Yeah
[3115.44] Jae: Um
[3118.08] Jae: Available aren't they for mini air show
[3120.72] Jae: Have a bit of time them
[3121.52] Jae: Do you want to give a five minute plug for people coming across to find tickets?
[3125.52] Clint: So so the tickets the tickets for the mini air show are still available
[3128.96] Clint: The only thing that has been closed off at the moment is the freestyle event
[3132.16] Clint: So no more no more freestyle pilots just because of the amount that we've got in such a quick
[3137.52] Clint: period of time
[3138.88] Clint: Um, there are now four slots left for uh team racing
[3143.2] Clint: So they're going very very quickly as well
[3145.68] Clint: And then obviously we've only got two weeks and two days before the actual event starts. So
[3150.72] Clint: um, yeah
[3151.76] Clint: So do we buy pants for a flying ticket? Is it not?
[3154.64] Clint: So the flying the flying passes we want to fly over the Saturday and Sunday are 25 pounds
[3160.64] Clint: If you're just coming for a day visit and you're bringing a car, it's five pound for parking, but it's only for the car
[3167.36] Clint: Um camping is is it 15 pound a night?
[3170.56] Clint: Um, yeah, so 15 pound a night. Um coming camp
[3175.12] Clint: Enjoy the evening. I'm sure we're gonna have some uh night flyers. We have some uh amazing
[3180.32] Clint: uh highly lit and
[3182.32] Clint: Um quarter quarters and planes last year, which was pretty spectacular. So hopefully we'll have those out again this year
[3188.08] Clint: And maybe you know, maybe someone will bring some uh nighttime racing
[3192.96] Clint: Gear and we can set up a little night track or something. That'd be pretty cool
[3196.56] Jae: I'll bring a can of petrol and set the gate fire
[3200.08] Clint: I still haven't seen that footage. I'll wait for that footage from the uh, the uh, the flaming gate
[3206.32] Jae: Well, I think I think that we might have another
[3209.2] Jae: Event for ldo later in the year and we will make sure there's fire gates
[3213.2] Jae: Actually, because if I don't know if anyone's seen the bms web or the web fpv. Um
[3218.24] Jae: Fire flying which was actually really good. It was just a field at night lit up in flames and just dancing around with a
[3224.72] Jae: Freestyle quad and actually it looked very impressive and i'd love to recreate something like that
[3229.84] Jae: Um burning man
[3232.88] Jae: We'll fly around them you'll spin
[3234.96] Jae: If I want to be anything
[3237.2] Tony: so, um
[3239.28] Tony: Does everyone need to be on 25 milliwatt on raceband if they want to fly so 25 milliwatts?
[3245.12] Clint: Um raceband specifically for the racing anyway, um, but definitely definitely won't have said 25 milliwatt
[3251.6] Clint: The reason is we're trying to get segregation between three different areas
[3254.8] Clint: And if people are running 200 600 milliwatts, which they shouldn't be running anyway
[3259.12] Clint: Then, uh, it could potentially cause problem and allow less pilots to get in the air at the same time
[3264.08] Clint: Uh, so it'd be nice to get as many people up in the air at the same time as we possibly can over over the areas
[3268.96] Clint: We've got to try to keep as many people flying
[3272.0] Clint: As long as possible really or until they destroy
[3276.08] Jae: Hopefully not but um, I know for the
[3278.56] Jae: Uh team relay they do need to have compatible transponders and even the solar event. Oh, no, the solar event is btx. Is it not?
[3284.8] Clint: I believe yeah, so the solo solo is btx
[3288.64] Clint: Is timing
[3290.32] Jae: But for the team relay, is it not that they need?
[3293.68] Jae: um
[3294.32] Jae: some
[3295.68] Jae: transponders
[3296.88] Clint: so
[3297.84] Clint: Yeah, the team relay you must have you must either have your own transponders or they are renting some transponders for six pounds
[3304.96] Clint: Or you can buy one of their transponders for 35 pounds
[3308.4] Clint: Which are the ilap compatible that I've been any official the ones are selling the official
[3313.52] Clint: ilap transponders
[3315.2] Clint: But you must have an ilap
[3317.76] Clint: Um compatible transponder
[3320.4] Clint: So I guess that's something to do with the equipment racing using
[3324.32] Clint: Yeah
[3328.16] Tony: Sorry tony can they be bought can they be bought from you guys?
[3332.16] Clint: Yes, so the the link I sent you earlier with the team
[3335.6] Clint: Team racing registration on there. There's a little link. So you either buy or rent
[3340.54] Clint: transponders and then basically that's coming straight from racing. So
[3345.28] Clint: What happened is when you sign up for the the?
[3348.72] Clint: Racing if you put your receipt code in and then at the gates
[3353.2] Clint: Road racing will give you a transponder or loan you the transponder
[3357.92] Tony: Okay, so what's the uh, what's your?
[3360.88] Tony: Website call. What is it?
[3368.16] Jae: You do by the way people if you do buy your tickets
[3370.08] Jae: You do need to then go back and solo register if you want to do the solo event
[3373.68] Jae: And um, otherwise when you're buying a ticket you can't choose to do the team relay
[3377.2] Jae: But you do need to also register the team with the receipts and you have to have four pilots before you register as a team
[3383.12] Jae: Three does not work two or one
[3386.08] Jae: Does not work either. So four pilots and you put your transport you at least your receipt number in I think is that not right clinton
[3392.08] Clint: That's great. Yeah, so you need some friends, uh, at least three of them
[3396.56] Jae: And you might have
[3401.04] Jae: Jay's shit out of luck then. Oh, I've already got a team john. Yeah. I think you're the one that's
[3406.96] John: Yeah
[3409.76] Tony: John's gonna fly four calls at once
[3412.56] John: Yeah
[3414.88] John: I'm flying. Um, what's it fossil on our backup fossil pilot this year?
[3420.56] Jae: The ego is big enough for four pilots, but uh, there's no ego here
[3428.4] Jae: So, um, yeah, I guess we'll probably hear more as the developments come along but uh, there'll be more on mini air shows soon
[3434.96] Clint: Yeah, I mean it's worth keeping up to date with the website. Uh, things are constantly changing updating in new announcements
[3441.52] Clint: There's the facebook page as well. Um, i've just thrown the mini air show link and the mini air show solo signups onto the chat. So
[3449.68] Clint: Click away. Go and have a browse. See what see what's going there
[3453.28] Jae: You may as well and uh, we get to turn up there. Do you know how many people have bought tickets though?
[3457.36] Clint: Do you know the sort of numbers are expecting in total? Um, i'm not I think the
[3462.72] Clint: Well, I did have it actually i've just lost it in one of the windows. I believe it was 112
[3467.84] Clint: people are
[3470.4] Clint: Coming along so far with
[3472.48] Clint: uh
[3473.52] Clint: 42 races
[3476.08] Clint: 15, uh, sorry 25 free styles. Um
[3480.48] Clint: Yeah, there's loads of different numbers. So it's hard
[3487.12] Clint: Yeah, so anybody can come
[3488.8] Clint: Anybody can come and watch the the only the only thing that you would be paying for is either five pounds
[3493.84] Clint: Part your car or camping 15 pound for the night
[3497.04] Clint: And then flying is like a separate separate entity
[3499.84] Tony: So that's 25 pounds if you want to come and fly over the weekend people can just come and watch for a fighter base
[3506.24] Clint: Exactly that and uh, you know, if you're gonna pay a fight, you might as well bring a Carlos. So bring four or five of you
[3512.32] Clint: And yeah, I mean that's that's the thing, isn't it?
[3514.48] Clint: You know, I think uh, one of the biggest things about fbb and racing everything is the community more than anything
[3521.28] Clint: Um, there's going to be other stuff to do as well. So yeah, come and chat
[3525.12] Clint: I mean, I know I know a lot of people are well, i've got a lot of friends that are just coming just for
[3530.8] Clint: The you know to socialize with all the other pilots and stuff ask the questions find out what's the biggest thing at the moment
[3537.76] Clint: Just chat and find out what everybody else is doing
[3542.67] Jae: Um, we do have a question from hobo saying is 3d quad flying allowed in the freestyle event
[3548.35] Clint: So, you know, that's uh, that's a good question, but I don't think that'd be very fair
[3553.23] Clint: I think you should definitely bring your 3d quads and and come and show us what you can do
[3556.59] Clint: But i'm yeah, I think that would be unfair for everybody else. Would it?
[3560.99] Clint: just
[3562.67] Jae: well, i've always i mean
[3564.51] Jae: I've seen the capabilities because zoe fpb obviously fires a lot of 3d and it's interesting to what you can do
[3569.55] Jae: but I don't think it's as
[3571.31] Jae: Acrobatic as a standard freestyle thing. So you'd be down on some of your uh
[3575.71] Jae: Ability to fly when you're flying 3d because it props that as efficient in 3d and there's a lot of problems with the 3d
[3581.87] Jae: so
[3582.91] Jae: It could be here's a question
[3584.59] John: other than zoe who else flies 3d acro and
[3587.95] John: Publicly a lot there there there isn't there's like her and that's it
[3592.83] Jae: Yeah, that's all that's all I know
[3595.55] Jae: I know some people are trying to build them but
[3597.63] Jae: Um, I think it's fraught with problems at the moment still it's true infancy and whether it takes off
[3601.95] Jae: I don't know, but I know there's probably a lot of 3d helipilots that come from that
[3606.59] Jae: That would be interested in going to a 3d aspect and having the pitch, you know to throttle down throttle up from here
[3613.55] John: That's different
[3615.23] John: The the whole concept of 3d heli flying is about watching the helicopter do its weird shit
[3620.83] John: Your brain would explode if your eyes were looking through the front of that that
[3624.91] John: That helicopter at the at the you know at any time especially going through gates. Yeah
[3630.83] John: Yeah, well now i'm just thinking from a 3d heli perspective
[3634.75] Jae: Bring it onto the airship because it'll go up and down and up and down and
[3638.83] John: Why don't you get njtech to bring one of these 3d helis along and we'll strap a camera on the front of that
[3643.39] John: Just and he can do some 3d just to get people's
[3646.83] John: brains
[3648.03] John: boiled
[3650.03] Tony: I think there's some 3d pilots there, isn't there?
[3653.07] Tony: Uh, a light track, I believe is it? Yeah, a bit of a helipilot 3d helipope. Yeah
[3658.35] Jae: Yeah, jack if you're going people
[3661.63] Clint: But I do think I do think just just keep that to keep a level playing field that it should just be standard quads
[3667.15] Clint: But I would love to see the 3d quads flying
[3670.99] Clint: Maybe if there's enough we could just throw a little event together for the 3d quads
[3675.71] Jae: Yeah
[3677.39] Jae: Just to one side or something
[3679.71] Jae: Jack i'll make you my way in a second
[3680.99] Jae: I've got to I think we're at the end of our allotted hour. Do you want to keep on going? Is everyone?
[3686.59] Jae: We can go on for a little longer. I don't mind
[3689.39] Clint: 24-hour live stream. Yeah
[3693.31] Jae: Yeah, john doesn't know what he's signed himself up for
[3696.59] Clint: Well, i'm trying to get the time together to do a 24-hour velocity stream. I've been having quite good fun
[3703.95] Jae: Well, i'd be up for joining a little bit of that 24 hours, dude, it's a long time it's good practice, right?
[3711.57] Jae: That's about a 24-hour rocket league session john would be so angry at the end of it
[3720.77] John: The rage would come clinton can join me in the rage farm
[3727.57] John: I've seen your chat
[3730.05] Jae: Have you chucked down your goggles in a fit of rage?
[3734.05] John: I've destroyed a keyboard in a fit of rage
[3738.77] Tony: Bye tricky. Bye tricky. Thanks for tuning in
[3746.77] Clint: Oh dear i'm down to copy i'm down to copied xbox controllers now because i just can't afford to keep the original ones
[3756.05] Jae: The truth comes out
[3758.05] Jae: Or
[3761.25] Jae: Look at this, uh 3d heli
[3764.45] Jae: You know the 3d helis do make a noise amazing noises and the day we get noises like that from our quads i'll be a happy man
[3771.01] Tony: Mate, that's scary. That is a stand-behind jack day when they're on
[3777.73] Clint: Indeed indeed
[3782.21] Clint: Jack managed to get his gopro working again after after drowning in the other day. No, he blames you
[3788.29] Tony: Oh
[3790.29] Jae: It was his attempt to do it
[3792.29] Jae: Or did you not tell him about the water in the bottom of the tire?
[3794.77] Clint: I emptied out to be fair and I killed my I killed my coordinate the week before and I convinced jack to give it a go
[3802.37] Clint: I did specifically say there was water still left in there
[3806.77] Jae: Yeah, if you've warned of the dangers, it's his own
[3809.73] Clint: You know, but he flew through it the first time and he slightly clicked it and I said it didn't count
[3813.97] Clint: So you had to do it again and it was on the second it was on the second try they drowned it
[3820.93] Tony: Poor jack, sorry, mate
[3824.13] Tony: Don't listen to clues again
[3826.77] Jae: Yeah
[3829.09] Jae: Well, everyone's starting to leave the chat so maybe I don't know what's the opinion guys I
[3833.49] Jae: I'll leave it over to you guys. You want to go on for another?
[3835.81] Jae: 15 20 minutes half an hour two hours 21 hours 23 hours
[3840.29] Jae: What are we for today?
[3842.53] Tony: Let's call it a day
[3843.89] Jae: Let's call it a day. So well, thank you to our uh, special guest this week of clinton
[3849.17] Jae: Make sure you go buy your tickets at mini air show.co.uk links are in the chat. But what's in the website?
[3853.89] Jae: Thank you to the know-it-all john with the fun
[3858.69] Jae: Cool usual suspect of tony. Thank you for popping along but most importantly
[3863.49] Jae: Thanks to all of you is you and then the regulars that come every week, but also the new faces that we've seen this week
[3868.61] Jae: Thank you very much for tuning in to let's try now if you want to help us keep us running
[3872.45] Jae: There is a patreon page which we'll show tony. I'll be able to post it
[3875.57] Jae: Um, but just join us next week and we'll be happy
[3878.93] Jae: What can be there?
[3881.33] Jae: Uh, clinton team extras your wife
[3886.13] Jae: She's watching
[3889.01] Jae: Yeah, thanks bloodsinks, uh, hobo joe and everyone else strike all the usual, you know, thank you everyone for tuning in
[3894.69] Jae: It's because you tune in we actually bother making this every week. So thank you very much
[3898.61] Jae: You have been listening too. Let's drone out
[3902.85] UNKNOWN: Bye all see you later. Cheers