=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 107 === Title: LDO Ep 107 Let's drone out tonight Recorded: 2017-09-14 Hosts: Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Andy, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Clinton "Ectraz" Roberts, Andrew "Frank" Hyams Guest(s): (none recorded) Total audience: 2,698 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLl3ENCbV68); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/378806483-letsdroneout-ldo-ep-107-lets-drone-out-tonight.m4a) ===================================== let's drone out tonight Streamed: September 14, 2017, at 9:54 PM [0.69] Jack: Let's drone out [6.41] Jack: Hello, welcome to another fantastic episode [9.73] Jack: Let's show it now because Andy RC and Jay and Frank here [16.65] Jack: Tonight's job is sponsored by Dunkin Donuts [21.41] Tony: We are joined by Frank [34.65] Frank: Think he said Frank Frank. I didn't hear anything. Hello [41.61] Jack: Andy RC. Hello [45.09] Jack: And Jay tech good evening [49.01] Jack: Him showing all his stuff boss which made Tony. It's just some of it. It's just some of it [55.21] Jack: Hello, Tony. Well, you're [57.77] Jack: Now there's a difference because NJ isn't single but Tony is can you tell? [66.11] Andy: It's like a glass cabinet, is it rather than a wall? [74.15] Andy: Yeah [76.15] Andy: It's it's pretty cool. I like it. It's like an exhibit. I like that [81.55] Andy: Yeah, man [82.87] Andy: Hold me don't encourage him. Have you got them ordered in your favorite one? [88.07] Tony: No, they're they're like non flyers anymore. There's one from the Argos shoot that I've done which [94.91] Tony: I'm never gonna fly again. It's [97.31] Andy: As in there the company that the catalog company Argos. Yeah, I flew [103.07] Tony: Done an advert last year for them, but just before Christmas [107.11] Andy: like a video advert [109.47] Tony: Yeah, yeah, it was a [112.31] Tony: Yeah, it was on it was on tell you they aired it 15 times of 16 [117.59] Andy: How did I not see that? What were you flying? What chord was it? It was the fossil stuff 280 [123.83] Tony: And they were selling it through Argos. No, no, no, it was a promotion [130.15] Tony: We had to fly like past TVs and round TVs and stuff [135.55] Tony: Yeah, it was pretty quite [137.51] Tony: Loads of people saying always CGI CGI and then I put my YouTube video up of the DVR of it and [145.43] Tony: You can I'll send you a link later. Yeah, I need to go [149.23] Andy: I don't have a TV. So I don't get to see [158.03] Jack: The link to the video in the chat, yeah [166.31] Andy: I [168.31] Andy: Did I did see this yeah, but I saw it through another video not on TV. Yeah, it looks CGI [174.79] Andy: It's fake. It's like the curvature of the earth [179.03] Tony: Don't start me on that Andy [183.03] Tony: Look [186.39] Tony: I sent in [188.07] Tony: I sent in so much evidence that he was actually we had dinner today and he was saying I think I might might believe you now [201.99] Jack: I did see a video Jeremy Clarkson and NASA have made their own weather machine. Has anyone ever seen that? [209.03] Andy: No [211.03] Jack: Yeah, so [212.39] Jack: Yeah, Tony like going on at me being like, you know, they can control the weather didn't you and I'm like shut up you idiot [219.31] Jack: Yeah, yeah, apparently they can there's something, you know [222.11] Jack: So bit by bit as technology moves further Tony wears away at me [227.07] Andy: I think they do I think they do it don't they turn into buy or something like they can make clouds to make it rain [233.79] Andy: You know, I'm fine with that that I see that's plausible [239.11] Tony: Well, as soon as they fire a rocket like in florida [246.87] Tony: Oh, that's our hacking him I was gonna say give me away the secrets [257.27] Tony: Learn something they fire the rocket and because the rocket [261.27] Tony: Produces so much heat they spray tons and tons of water on the rocket [265.03] Tony: That's what all that stuff is and all of the most of the stuff what comes off the rocket when they fire out is steam [271.83] Tony: It's not rocket fuel. I never knew rockets were staying powered. It is steam and [279.55] Tony: Honestly [281.99] Tony: Look listen, this is like King real, you know, I'm not even joking [287.63] Jack: I [290.91] Tony: When a rocket fires [292.59] Tony: They've put tons and tons of water on and all most of that you see when it goes up is steam [298.51] Tony: And then later on in the day in Florida, it rains because of the steam because they create their own [305.23] Tony: Clouds, it's a it's just that's just a fact [308.67] Tony: If you don't know that [310.67] Tony: But they don't have chemicals in them like chemtrails. No, not they're they're from out of planes [316.83] Tony: I can talk to you about that later if you want [323.71] Tony: But it's a true thing if you don't believe me research it yourself you even nasa will tell you [329.79] Tony: That they pump gallons and gallons of water over [333.15] Andy: Well, I thought nasa lied about everything [335.87] Tony: Well, they do say they do lie quite not [339.23] Tony: Whoever that are you drinking water and not wine or beer or just on the water [345.23] Andy: So that I can concentrate make sure that you know, i'm not missing any of the facts and things, you know [351.71] Tony: You don't know you can private message me and i'll just tell you all about it [355.95] Andy: I know I know [358.59] Jack: I'm going on the isopropanol. I don't know about you guys [363.31] Andy: That's strong stuff. Yeah [366.19] Andy: Sniff it [368.43] Andy: I used to use that to clean that [373.71] Jack: Why am I listening to you? [375.71] Jack: How do we tend with him? [377.87] Tony: He loved it [380.19] Andy: Are we allowed to ask about I've seen some pictures with david and you guys [386.03] Jack: Yeah, yeah by all means what would you like to know? [389.63] Andy: Well, uh, just you know, what what did you guys get up to what's the story? [392.83] Andy: Oh, I also wanted to ask as well. Did it did anyone go to hobby king live? [396.35] Jack: Was it cancelled because of the weather and things I went when I would just like to say all my friends other than [403.39] Jack: No, you're going in there [406.19] Jack: Andy i'll see um, you are [408.99] Jack: all incompetent [410.99] Jack: um [413.55] Andy: I didn't quite catch that anyone else. I think it was a little curse word. So I wouldn't worry team. Oh, is that it? [420.35] Andy: So I think what i'm going for that [423.13] Andy: incompetent thoughts [426.09] NJ: See because of the glitch there I got impotent falls [431.93] Jack: Don't think I don't think um, yeah incompetent falls [437.29] Frank: Carlos said he went to hobby king live and it was uh, not great. Oh, really? [442.09] Andy: Just because of the weather and it was just raining here [444.89] Tony: Um, he said I went to hobby king live and I put non not great to mike dreads [451.93] Tony: How was the indian? [453.93] Frank: Yeah, but I wasn't going to read out what carl is actually said about it. So [457.37] Frank: Oh, okay [459.77] Tony: Is this in the comments? Yeah, i've just seen it now. Yeah. Sorry. I see carlos's comment now [466.89] Jack: Yeah, um in the chat. Yeah, it wasn't [471.29] Jack: It it it was better it was better than last year [474.73] Tony: My god, so last year was really penciling [477.93] Jack: Are horrendous. It was so bad [480.97] Frank: I thought it was all right [482.57] Jack: Really? He thought it was all right [485.05] NJ: Yeah, because one of the fingers complained last year just to sort of from an organizational standpoint that things were [491.37] Jack: Were a little bit. It's always like that [494.49] Jack: They just don't like they leave it to the last minute. Honestly, like if we got rid of frank [500.89] Jack: Um, it would and back to the old organization have let's throw now [505.61] Jack: worse than that [507.37] Jack: really [509.37] Jack: Yeah [510.49] Jack: Yeah, it's it's pretty it's almost on fire [514.25] Tony: I'm actually glad I didn't go now after carlos saying it was super disappear. No [519.21] Jack: Is if you were a punter because they were selling um [525.69] Jack: So [526.81] Jack: You could buy fat shark [529.05] Jack: Returned fat shark goggles for as little as two pounds [532.57] Jack: So people were snapping up some unbelievable bargains [536.33] Jack: You could buy more than one of the same [539.11] Jack: Transmitter put them together and make a working transmitter if you wanted to [543.93] Tony: Can you adjust your bandwidth? [546.33] Jack: Uh for a fiver [548.89] Jack: Jack [550.17] Jack: It was it was crazy. Uh, for instance, um gary not or or gavin [557.45] Jack: It's getting very real name gary [560.49] Jack: He bought two 3d printers for 30 pounds. That's pretty good [565.61] Jack: Yeah, it was there was basically, um, it was amazing if you brought cash and [572.17] Jack: You were in for some absolute bargains [575.21] Frank: Well carlos said that the uh, the stuff that was for sale was pretty much all broken [581.69] Tony: Poor good jack. Can you adjust your bandwidth? Can you lower it a bit? [586.73] Tony: I don't know how just go up to the top of the screen and press that signal button and just make it lower [593.69] Tony: Down a bit [594.97] Tony: less, uh [596.01] Tony: Less hd which is always better and your voice will come across [602.17] Andy: So how did you guys end up meeting with david? He was over here for something [606.33] Andy: I'm just interested because I think probably a lot of people [609.61] Andy: including myself sort of got inspired by the early flight test days of where david was there and [618.25] Andy: So I know you guys are friends [620.41] Andy: from the podcast [621.93] Tony: It's more jack jack answer [625.13] Jack: Well, um b came to see me [628.49] Jack: To pick some stuff up [630.57] Jack: um [632.81] Jack: Rocket knife he um, really? [635.77] Jack: Yeah, he basically grabbed some like laptop stuff and he ordered because it was cheaper [643.53] Jack: to order stuff to the uk [646.09] Jack: In sweden and it's cheaper to get [649.13] Jack: Yeah [650.49] Jack: Picked it up than the overall shipping. That's crazy [655.13] Jack: Instead of shipping something directly to sweden. It's easy. It's cheaper to not only ship it to the uk [660.49] Tony: A plane over here. Wow, that's just that's madness [664.97] Jack: He's madness, isn't it? So he he also said things like [668.97] Jack: um the bus to the from where he lives to the [673.53] Jack: airport is like [675.61] Jack: 100 that's the [677.61] Jack: swedish currency that flights less than that so [681.21] Andy: Did you guys uh get to do any flying together or is it just sort of meet up and? [686.65] Andy: And go [687.85] Jack: Just just to meet up really. Uh, we dragged him around. I was showing off my friends [693.45] Jack: and [694.57] Jack: I poorly arranged a meet in london very badly, which we were two hours two hours late for [701.21] Jack: Which annoyed him? [703.29] Jack: Because it's me. He's like never late for anything. So like [707.37] Jack: and [708.41] Jack: Yeah, but I think and he made his day with whatever he printed for him [714.89] Jack: Or frank frank, I don't know [718.57] Andy: The same thing we're not allowed to talk about [721.53] Jack: I can't tell you any of the stuff because it will ruin the surprise of what he's going to do with the rocket sled [726.73] Andy: No, that's fine. I love what he's doing with the rocket sled. I think it's great [731.69] Tony: No, you you I think we should all do a christmas song called rocket nine [738.33] Jack: Um [739.13] Jack: What and ruin a charity like bankrupt them? [742.89] Jack: Destroy them [744.17] Andy: Does he still got to do any flying or has anything to do with flight tests or anything or it's pretty much his own thing now [750.65] Jack: Yeah, his own thing people a lot of people are like complaining [753.93] Jack: Being like stop doing the rocket knife do some more RC stuff. It feels weird like talking on behalf of him [760.01] Jack: I'm on soon. Once he's like recovered from being over here [766.25] Tony: Been around jack for too long [770.01] Jack: Enough to any fate worse than that is being so delicate to knoll edmunds [776.89] Tony: That would be quite bad [779.37] Jack: Yeah without a beard guard either. Um [783.53] Tony: Talking of bees you just got rid of yours you had you had one in tribute to david's [789.05] Jack: Bad boy one didn't you? Yeah. Well, I was worried. He weren't gonna meet me. It like [794.39] Jack: Recognized me because like when I first met him I had a beard so I thought i'll leave the beard on [800.33] Jack: So and then after it it was like growing into my mouth like there so I got home shaved it [808.01] Jack: Yeah [810.01] Jack: Yeah got game [812.25] Jack: Having a meet with david. We just still in the middle of work day so we can get there [816.09] Jack: I know i'm sorry. He came down on a weekday [819.69] Jack: I did the best at least I told people about it [824.81] Jack: Now rather than keeping him to myself. We tried to get it [829.53] Frank: People could at least kind of maybe come along at [832.81] Frank: On a reasonable time during the work day, but [836.33] Frank: Reasonably, they're cool, but [838.17] Frank: That didn't happen [839.61] Frank: It was hard man. It was hard [842.49] Frank: Because he was only there for what I mean literally [847.21] Frank: Got off his plane went to yours [850.65] Frank: Slept went to [852.65] Frank: uh [854.01] Frank: What was it? [854.89] Frank: Autistic module center or something? [856.89] Jack: Yeah [858.09] Frank: then [859.37] Frank: up to london [860.73] Frank: and then [861.69] Frank: disappearing again [863.69] Jack: Oh [865.53] Jack: Seek and like call us that kind of told people [870.01] Tony: All right, didn't carlos get to meet him. I think he did [873.69] Jack: Yeah, I don't know [877.77] Jack: Now we're getting to get so on here no [880.25] Jack: It keeps lining up with his live streams. So if you notice 15 hours ago, he did a live stream [885.85] Jack: Don't know. I need to wait till he [889.21] Jack: Baked stream and then [891.69] Jack: direct his live stream [893.93] Tony: So you're really breaking up. Can you try lowering your bandwidth again or more or you know button move it left [901.21] Tony: or [902.65] Tony: We'll do that [904.01] Jack: Yeah [904.97] Tony: Is that better? I can hear you perfect. Now nj. What you got onto your left shoulder? [911.21] Tony: um quite a lot of stuff [913.85] Tony: Is that what you've been given and tested or is some of the [919.13] NJ: And bits review stuff [921.13] NJ: Some of its stuff i've had for a while and yeah, there's there's [924.65] NJ: A whole bunch of bits i'm i'm working my way through at the minute [928.89] NJ: To test and and review and bits i'm actually putting a whole video out [933.85] NJ: Later this evening which talks about all the stuff i've got coming up to review and chat about a few things [939.77] NJ: One of the things i'm actually quite excited about to try out is the new [944.81] NJ: Tbs crossfire micro bundle [947.61] NJ: So the small size module instead of the large thing that you operate instead of having the screen on the back like the uh, the older [954.17] NJ: uh system that's stuck on the back this uh [957.21] NJ: This one you operate via a luis script on your tyrannis [961.45] NJ: and um, so people are reporting snake fpv and uh, thomas and paul [968.25] NJ: bms web have both [970.31] NJ: Reported great things about the latency [973.45] NJ: um, which apparently [975.93] NJ: To some I mean if you hear this from thomas [978.17] NJ: It's got to mean something because the guy is just winning everything at the minute. Uh, in fact, I think two days ago [983.13] NJ: He won the adelaide fpv cup [985.85] NJ: Um, so another one he's just gone and snatched [987.85] NJ: But yeah, he switched the crossfire and he's he's come straight out and and said along with snake fpv. They [993.85] NJ: notice [995.05] NJ: a pretty substantial jump from s bus [998.01] NJ: Uh in terms of latency, so that's that's that's pretty epic. Um [1002.57] NJ: To be you know that much quicker. I think it's three times quicker. I think we're going for 50 hertz 150 hertz [1008.01] NJ: well [1009.37] Tony: Sorry, but will us old boys? [1012.57] NJ: Feel that well, see i'm this is what I want to know because I don't race I freestyle [1017.37] NJ: So i'm going to it's arriving tomorrow. Uh, i'm going to fit it to my [1022.57] NJ: Beast sx, which is this guy down here with the pink props [1026.89] NJ: um, which I know [1028.49] NJ: Probably the the beast is my main freestyle quad and i've I know that really really well. Um, so [1035.53] NJ: Because that's the problem when you test out a lot of different drones [1037.85] NJ: It starts to become a bit of a haze as to what feels what and what your preferences are [1041.69] NJ: But I know that quad really well, so i'm going to fit it to that one [1045.13] NJ: um, and then go out and fly it and see if I can [1048.17] NJ: Uh notice this this difference that people seem to seem to say snake fpv [1053.29] NJ: If you go and check out his latest youtube video, he actually did a blind test [1057.21] NJ: um, and he [1059.45] NJ: Just he he spotted the right one straight away and it was quite obvious because he does a lot of those blind tests [1065.37] NJ: For various gear and it's always a bit hit and miss [1068.33] NJ: Because the the you know, the tolerances are so small between versions of things [1073.13] NJ: um, but yeah, i'm i'm super interested to see how this um [1077.77] NJ: Tps system does and it's also apparently very soon. They're going to be dropping the price of the [1084.65] NJ: So I hear i'm not saying this is fact but so I hear they're going to be dropping the price of the [1089.93] NJ: Micro receivers which are the ones that will be fitting to our quads, which is really good news because obviously they're like at the minute [1096.25] NJ: I think they're about 50 pounder receivers. So they're expensive. They're 50 feet squared. Yeah, it's a lot of cash [1101.85] NJ: so apparently trappy's gonna talk to the retailers and and [1106.01] NJ: Have that uh those drops or there's going to be bundled deals where they're a lot cheaper because [1111.61] NJ: I mean, it's not the biggest thing in the world if you've already got it's a module [1114.73] NJ: so as you switch model you switch module and you can do it one at a time with your quads, but [1120.33] NJ: So far the people who've tried this [1122.89] NJ: Have switched to it and said well, this has screwed me now because it's so good. I don't actually want to fly [1129.53] NJ: On the standard s bus protocol anymore. I want to stay on crossfire [1133.21] NJ: so [1134.89] Tony: I don't know. We'll see. I mean i'm excited to try that out. Well, I got one and I put it on my wing [1140.09] Tony: Uh, so obviously i'm not going to tell any difference [1143.29] Tony: I I wanted it for range basically [1146.25] Tony: Um, and it was like 113 quid [1149.77] NJ: So it was that's the pack i've purchased [1152.33] Tony: Yeah, it was good [1153.13] Tony: And then I looked today because I wanted one to go on a quad and like you were saying it's like 56 quid for the [1160.17] Tony: Just the receiver and I was like, uh, I think I might leave that [1164.33] NJ: Yeah, I mean that's the thing really there's this [1167.69] NJ: There is a premium on tbs stuff. There's there's no question of that [1171.05] NJ: But it's the support's great and the stuff is usually pretty damn good [1175.45] NJ: You know, there's a lot of tbs stuff out there for a very good reason [1178.73] NJ: and he's uh, he's [1181.45] NJ: He's a clever guy and uh [1183.93] NJ: Yeah, i've got a lot of time for the tbs stuff [1185.61] NJ: But I mean the the big things you're paying for really is that it's not only how solid that control link is [1191.13] NJ: It's the latency and also the range. Uh, they really do especially down on that [1196.41] NJ: lower, uh frequency where the [1199.29] NJ: Wavelength is longer and the longer that wavelength is the easier it is to penetrate and bend round buildings and things, you know [1206.41] NJ: the lower the [1208.25] NJ: The range that the better it will do which is why you know things like 1.2 video [1213.53] NJ: Are so much better [1216.01] NJ: You know for long range stuff and penetrating objects then the shorter range 5.8 [1220.65] NJ: The quality is not quite as good, but the longer wavelength [1223.69] NJ: Is is what matters? [1224.97] NJ: But unfortunately, we can't use 1.3 and 1.2 in the uk and the aerials would be huge as well [1230.41] NJ: But I digress [1232.89] Tony: I know that's why i've set up my my wing with 5.8 and I asked like i've got nil cody's sent me a big [1240.57] Tony: big long 5.8 helical and [1243.37] Tony: Stuff. So yeah, i'm gonna just push the limits when we have a non-windy day [1248.65] NJ: Yeah, it's not looking good. Is it? I've [1251.45] NJ: One of the things i'm desperate to test as well is [1254.25] NJ: Greg sent me from menisrc sent me the bandicoot [1258.57] NJ: uh antenna the patch antenna for specifically for the linear stuff, so i'm really [1264.97] Tony: Excited to try that out. They are good. I've used it on my tiny week around my house [1270.01] Tony: Free very clear view and you can tell the difference [1273.69] Andy: Is that using two of them tony? [1275.69] Andy: Did you use two because I was talking to [1278.17] Andy: Lee from painless three six and he said you get two of them set up on diversity and sort of point them at an angle because obviously [1285.45] Andy: They're they're limited to [1288.01] Andy: The angle he said that that works quite well [1291.61] Tony: But you got to remember um clear view isn't really diversity [1297.21] Tony: but [1298.41] Tony: I used two on it and it did improve [1301.29] Tony: Quite a lot because I was flying inside [1303.69] Tony: I was inside my house and I was flying my tiny outside my house and I had to crystal clear video [1308.97] Tony: That's cool [1310.49] Tony: round the house over the roof and [1312.89] Tony: round plants and trees and [1315.29] Andy: This um, there's tbs stuff. Uh, is it is it 900 megahertz that it runs on? Yeah. Yeah, that's right [1322.09] NJ: 986 I think is no hold on [1324.07] NJ: 986 is i'm wrong in it's 9 9 or 986 or something like that [1330.09] NJ: Yeah, that's right for the u.s [1331.53] NJ: But we're on eight something because 900 is on my wall phones [1335.45] Andy: Yeah, I was gonna say wouldn't that cause an issue with them? [1338.09] Andy: I mean, I don't I've never really tampered with much long-range stuff [1342.09] Andy: But that's what I was thinking wouldn't then that interfere when you get like lots of interference from my phone stuff [1349.13] NJ: You're quite right. Yeah, it's 900 for the u.s. And then the rest of us it's it's 800 and something [1354.65] Andy: Another thing I was thinking as well about this latency thing [1358.25] Andy: Because I can never tell [1359.85] Andy: If someone can give me a ppm receiver and an s bus and I can't tell the difference when i'm flying fpv [1366.49] Andy: Doesn't the latency of the fpv feed sort of limit? [1370.49] Andy: The the latency of the control anyways, so you're always going to have to wait for your video feed [1376.09] Andy: To to get to you as well as as well as your control. So yeah, they're all down in in pretty [1382.65] NJ: Pretty you know, we're down in it's really small targets. Yeah, but but I think the difference is videos at gigahertz [1391.69] NJ: And we're at megahertz on the rf link [1395.29] NJ: Um, so it's the refresh rate of the video. This is another reason why 5.8 video system [1401.85] NJ: The picture looks so much clearer because when I first saw fpv come out, you know [1407.13] NJ: A friend of mine had a glider this was going years back, you know [1409.53] NJ: And it was like wow, you can see things from your your model and he put it on a glider [1413.93] NJ: And he was using a 1.3, which was a little bit illegal [1417.93] NJ: But um, yeah, he was he was using 1.3 [1420.89] NJ: On a glider where you could mount an enormous antenna for that 1.3 [1425.37] NJ: And it's interesting to see the 1.3 video picture next to the 5.8 [1431.61] NJ: Picture and you'll see that like he could fly literally miles away [1436.81] NJ: And have hardly any breakup with objects in the way everything [1440.81] NJ: Was great, but the quality of the picture [1443.21] NJ: Was definitely lower even at close range than a 5.8 because you got that shorter wavelength [1448.89] NJ: You've got much higher refresh rate and the bandwidth is higher. Yeah, so [1454.41] NJ: Yes, super interesting stuff, but I presume, you know [1458.41] NJ: How much longer before we properly before real digital becomes affordable? [1463.45] NJ: Because it's still crazy money, isn't it? [1465.45] NJ: No [1467.45] NJ: Can't be too long [1468.65] Tony: Personally, I think I don't think um [1472.09] Tony: Like like you said earlier bsm web he's young. I think I think he he will notice the [1479.03] Tony: S-bust the difference [1481.93] Tony: I'm not sure I will because i'm getting on a bit and my [1485.29] Tony: You know my eyes and hand coordination are going to be [1489.85] Tony: Two or three times slower than his [1492.89] Tony: Um, so i'm i'm not sure i'd notice it [1497.05] Tony: Graphing or anything on that good [1500.25] NJ: Sorry, davey boys just said um the full-size crossfire module specs the micro doesn't have the same power outputs. I don't think [1508.01] NJ: Yeah, that's what I read as well. I think the micro module will do 25 milliwatts 100 milliwatts [1515.53] NJ: Uh, the larger one will go you can actually plug an external [1518.89] NJ: Xt60 and a like a 2s or a 3s in and boost the power up to something pretty crazy [1525.29] Tony: I think yeah, which is nuts. You just just don't but I still read that the micro can do 40 [1531.85] Tony: Is it 40? [1534.17] NJ: On a hundred on a hundred with that setup. Um, I imagine it can still do some the other thing was interesting is that it's got [1542.09] NJ: A I think it's like a dynamic. There's a dynamic power, which i've heard people say don't mess with that [1548.57] NJ: but there's there's within a certain distance it works at the super fast refresh rate and then as it senses the [1555.77] NJ: If you get far enough away and it senses that link weakening it will switch [1560.41] NJ: Um to allow it to like a standard more s bus like latency. Um, [1565.45] NJ: I mean again what I don't know what you'd feel and how far away that is [1569.85] NJ: Probably still two three kilometers before it will make that switch [1573.37] NJ: Um [1574.49] NJ: But yeah, it's it's super interesting technology and I think uh, I can see you've got a q [1580.41] Tony: Q it [1582.09] Tony: Is it q7 qx7 behind you? [1585.13] Tony: Yeah, yeah the qx7 if you use that with the crossfire. I think you've got to do some changes [1591.61] Tony: Uh on the crossfire and qx7. I'm not quite well [1596.01] NJ: I know [1596.89] NJ: From well from what I read I think I actually went through the pain in the ass that is upgrading [1602.49] NJ: All the firmware on the tyrannis today. I did the bootloader and the main firmware up to 2.2 [1608.89] NJ: Um, and I think you need to do that for the crossfire protocols to to work properly on their latest firmware [1615.53] NJ: so [1616.41] NJ: That is done and ready to go on my that's ready to go now on my x9d plus [1623.13] NJ: Um, but the qx7 i'll i'll test that as well then i'll find out [1628.73] Tony: How much more jiggery poker you need to do baby boy says there are issues and i've read their issue. There is issues and [1635.13] Tony: Brad has my mate, you know brothers he's ordered one, but he knows there's issues [1639.93] Tony: But he knows there's a fix and i'm not quite sure what it is [1644.17] Tony: But there is a fix and qx7 and [1647.69] Tony: Um tbs know about it [1650.33] NJ: Actually, I was asked a question today. Um [1652.49] NJ: I don't know if maybe [1654.09] NJ: Anyone knows that's watching but um, someone was asking about using this latest crossfire protocol and race flight [1661.93] NJ: Whether there are issues there or whether the latest one supports it because I know there's been a [1667.05] NJ: few people [1668.41] NJ: Personally come to me and ask about it. And I don't know the answer yet. I haven't looked into it, but [1673.77] NJ: Um certainly bait flight it's set up for and uh kiss it's set up for [1678.89] NJ: with no issue [1681.29] Tony: And mr. Frost said he he took his two uh, 250 on holiday [1686.17] Tony: And he was running the micro rx and he managed to get 2.2 ish miles down the beach [1692.89] Tony: Before his pants were fully brown [1697.37] NJ: It's gonna be done well, is that an osd element like the just [1701.85] NJ: Hands in the corner. Let's slowly change colors your batteries, please [1705.37] NJ: Pants come up and then you know, you've got to turn around that's got to be done. Someone please write that for [1711.93] Tony: The osd that would be amazing pants fill up and you know when it gets to the top you better turn around there [1717.85] NJ: Actually, there's a great video. I saw recently. It's in my history. I see if I can find it someone has done [1724.09] NJ: With a crossfire setup has done on a an alien five inch with a 1300 milliamp battery [1730.17] NJ: Did 3.6 miles in a straight line flying very gently and efficiently [1736.01] NJ: 3.6 miles out and back [1738.33] NJ: um [1739.29] NJ: Which is kind of nuts [1741.37] NJ: Really? [1742.09] NJ: 7.2 mile round trip. Um and got back and landed at like, you know, I think [1747.93] NJ: Really absolute. I mean like the battery wouldn't be very happy at the end of that but [1752.41] NJ: That's kind of mad. I wouldn't risk that myself [1755.37] NJ: But yeah, interesting great test balls [1759.85] NJ: Yes [1761.85] Tony: I'm so looking forward to my wing. I just hope I'm going to go out saturday morning. I'm going to get up early [1767.61] Tony: and test my tbs crossfire because [1771.13] Tony: um, i'm hoping [1772.89] Tony: I i'm just going to fly 10 minutes out or until my video gets bad and then i'm 10 minutes back. Um [1780.33] Tony: weather permitting because I [1782.57] Tony: Tried last saturday and I failed and if anyone saw my video my motor mount broke [1789.45] Tony: In the wind it was so windy [1791.53] Andy: It was horrible. So was that hurricane a lien that you were [1796.01] Tony: Stuck it was the aftermath. I think it wasn't [1799.77] Tony: Too bad when I took off, but I just wasn't getting it. I was nearly full throttle [1804.57] Tony: I was going against the wind because obviously [1807.77] Frank: I [1809.77] Frank: 10 minutes out [1812.65] Tony: Yeah, I was flying against the wind so I knew like um [1816.89] Tony: It was it was good to go against the wind because you if you're going to do long long distance go against wind and then you [1821.93] Tony: Get pushed back [1823.45] Tony: And save a bit of your battery [1824.73] Tony: But I was like at one point I was at full throttle and I was just looking at this fence on the ground [1829.69] Tony: And it wasn't moving and I was just right i'm turning around i'm coming home. This is pointless [1834.41] Tony: I was only three four minutes into the flight and as I turned around the wind [1839.13] Tony: pushed started pushing me and my motor mount broke and [1843.21] Tony: I just plummeted to the ground and went on a very very very long walk of shame [1848.73] Andy: I think long long range is uh, it's a real it's a completely different challenge and I sort of stay away from it because [1856.81] Andy: I don't like walking so [1860.17] Tony: But uh enjoy it [1861.77] Tony: I really enjoy the challenge and then you know when you get out that far and you're like it's like you're committed [1868.49] Tony: Yeah, and it's it's nerve wracking and you think i've got a gopro on there i've got my [1873.77] Tony: Wing is you know, it's a couple of hundred quid flying along and i've got no gps [1877.93] Tony: No returns at home and it's just a buzz when you get out that far and come back when when you start losing signal [1885.13] Andy: Do you do you take the wing higher? Yeah, i've done before yeah, it seems why you need to do that [1891.93] Andy: It seems to clear up the picture [1894.89] Andy: Is that maybe because the earth curves round? [1898.17] Andy: And you have to go higher up see what you did there, man [1907.21] Andy: I was a bit I was confused why you had to gain height when you got further away [1912.41] Tony: It might be my antenna's pointing like that. Yeah, it could be that [1918.25] Tony: Good one there. I got [1921.85] Tony: Reeled into that one [1924.01] Andy: It was I would not I was genuinely interested because they call it the uh, they call it the fresnel zone or something which is [1931.37] Andy: You have to gain height and so i've not really done any long-range stuff. I have I have some friends though who have [1939.05] Andy: Some dji stuff and the range that those things can do it's unbelievable. And that's like that's using 2.4 [1947.05] Andy: Absolutely amazing. I mean, I think you can put a limit on a [1950.97] Andy: We've got a bit of land around here that's uh [1954.09] Andy: You know thousands of meters long and i've got a friend who's way more daring than me and takes his mavic out [1960.57] Andy: to thousands of meters and [1963.35] Andy: Absolutely incredible range on dji [1966.97] Andy: So I think that's the only thing like I could do long ranges with my dji stuff [1972.09] NJ: My early f450 which is basically by the time i'd built it up [1976.17] NJ: It was it was the the the guts of what is now a phantom anyway in terms of the gps and all the other stuff [1982.09] NJ: I did do one [1983.29] NJ: uh one [1984.73] NJ: Flight like that where I think I managed about three and a half kilometers out [1989.53] NJ: Um, I was quite high on a hill nice clean line of sight big 13 dbi patch antenna [1995.21] NJ: Yeah [1996.49] NJ: but the bit that was that [1998.97] NJ: Stopped me being nervous that gave me that comfort [2001.53] NJ: Um was the gps just knowing if anything went wrong [2005.29] NJ: This is going to turn around and fly back [2007.29] NJ: Yeah, um [2009.61] NJ: Although, you know, there's so many out there now. We often see the odd one that will turn around and fly wherever it likes [2015.45] Tony: Um, but uh this one just did come back. I always think that's um pilot area [2021.13] Tony: I've never ever any of my phantom stuff or any of my [2026.33] NJ: Never never had problems with it neither have I but [2029.77] NJ: There does seem to be some I mean if you look at some of the flyaways [2033.53] NJ: Some of them are just so bizarre like what the quad does and real like glitching out stuff. It doesn't look like it could be [2042.09] NJ: pilot induced [2043.85] Tony: Um, there's like whenever I get to a new spot, I always compass calibrate [2049.29] Tony: Like if i've driven 30 miles always do a compass calibration [2053.77] Tony: And do it fly out and never [2057.61] Jack: Never had any problem. Why do you need to calibrate a compass for a nick points? [2068.81] Tony: Dji told me to it's just gonna hit that membrane, you know and because [2075.77] Tony: Because metal things are around like i've done it at the beach the other day. There's this like big metal structure and it wouldn't it wouldn't [2082.89] Jack: left by the avians [2085.13] Jack: No, it was it was just like metal watching you why don't they probe your asshole tony? [2092.25] Jack: Availians probes your assholes. It's just me that wants to do that. It's you you dirty [2098.41] NJ: Long-haired geek it was so clean up until then as well and it was just you just changed the rating of the whole video [2104.97] Jack: I just [2105.85] Jack: I only i'm allowed to say arsehole that's pg-13 [2111.45] Jack: I'm gonna leave that in [2113.69] Tony: That is just what he does not me editor glitch all of this with a long [2120.49] Jack: turning long hair [2124.09] Jack: Just merely voicing my desires [2132.33] Tony: Back i'm gonna I I quit [2139.93] Tony: You broke tony finally [2142.49] Jack: Yes, I know I thought it was gonna be me I was gonna be like yep the earth's flat [2148.09] Tony: Come on, you know it is [2150.01] Jack: No, it's not like in 10 years time. You're all be sitting there. Okay sample that and show it to people either [2157.29] Jack: But I know you're like [2159.05] Jack: Looking forward ahead a little bit [2161.77] Jack: 2018 summer's model show confirmed as june 9th and 10th [2167.05] Jack: Uh frank. Yes [2169.85] Jack: No [2170.89] Jack: Who's doing it then? [2172.57] Frank: Greer is broken [2174.25] Frank: Greg will no greer will not be running it. Um [2178.09] Frank: I'm gonna tell it [2179.45] Frank: We don't know if it's gonna be ed or who it's gonna be but i'm sure [2182.81] Frank: So there isn't a confirmed fpv flight line at the moment, but i'm sure [2187.05] Frank: by june [2188.41] Tony: We've got a few months yet something will be sorted out. There will be we're after sorting out between us [2193.45] Tony: I'm sure it can be done. It's not a hard job. What's what's jack holding up? [2199.05] Tony: Dirty northern [2202.89] Andy: Oh, that's uh, that's what comes up I think when he receives a message of me [2212.17] Tony: I'm glad you're glitching out tonight. Jack to be honest. All I heard then was sausage. Yeah, so did I [2219.53] Tony: I think that's probably all we need to hear. Yeah, that's all we need to hear. Otherwise this poor editor's gonna be like beep beep [2226.09] Andy: Does it show? [2228.09] Tony: Does it go edited? I didn't know that it does when it goes on soundcloud on you [2233.29] Tony: stay as it is, but [2235.45] Tony: we just [2236.81] Tony: We put our stuff on soundcloud and on um, i-tunes it needs to be [2242.89] Tony: It needs to be on itune [2245.21] Frank: 30 then it doesn't work [2247.13] Tony: So yeah, you can listen to um [2249.21] Tony: You can go back a year and a half and listen to our first episode if you really want [2255.29] Andy: Oh, that's cool [2258.01] Andy: I've started getting lots of warnings on youtube for I don't know if anyone else is finding this for non-advertisers [2266.81] Andy: Yeah, no, no, but just any video now it seems to become non-advertiser friendly and I don't know why I don't know [2273.93] NJ: What does that even mean? [2275.77] NJ: I think you look too emo. Is that what it is to be emo? Is that a crime? [2281.93] Andy: It's a crime [2284.49] NJ: It's a state, isn't it? [2286.73] Jack: I don't know. [2289.45] NJ: But you know, I was pitching out again. How terribly sad editing himself. I think [2295.77] NJ: Right in the middle of his nj insult [2297.77] NJ: Brilliant, isn't it? [2299.77] Tony: It's like perfect. It's like it's like the illuminati you're actually controlling [2306.73] Tony: Should we go there? No, that's not tonight [2309.93] NJ: Andy what what's um, what's new with you? Have you got anything exciting in the in the pipe? [2316.09] Andy: No, well the last week's been a bit of a crazy week. There's been so many [2320.97] Andy: Uh products released that i've received mostly micro copters [2326.81] Andy: I seem to get a lot of those because like my channel started off with the little indoor [2331.51] Andy: Micros and sort of manipulating them and stuff. I've received there's just so many of those going about at the moment [2337.05] Andy: I think just because you know people are worried about [2340.71] Andy: Regulations whether they're breaking them or not because there's so many different ones [2344.73] Andy: So I think the thinking is if you get a little tiny brushless micro that can sort of emulate what a five inch model can do [2353.21] Andy: Then you know that I think that's quite popular [2356.01] Andy: So i've just finished reviewing my last one of those and then there's a whole load of new products coming out [2363.69] Andy: Next week as well, but i'm i'm actually I don't have a lot i've got the run cam swift [2370.15] Andy: Micro 2 to check out. I also just checked out their [2374.89] Andy: Sparrow micro and that's a 16 by 9 micro camera just incredible also there's um, I think what we're going to see [2383.77] Andy: Soon is the little run cams with micros with a vtx piggybacked onto the back of it i'm seeing [2391.61] Andy: Quite a lot of that now. So [2393.61] Andy: That's awesome. I think that's going to come into the micro world and I think that'll probably do away with [2400.01] Andy: CMOS cameras in the micro class good riddance [2404.41] Andy: Yeah, yeah, I know I I am reviewed a model that it was a micro it got the [2409.93] Andy: micro [2410.97] Andy: Swift 2 on it and it was just [2413.45] Andy: So noticeable when I was flying that compared to these all-in-one tiny 25 milliwatt cameras. So [2421.37] Andy: Yeah, I found it difficult going back to those little tiny box cameras after that. So [2426.73] Andy: That was that was interesting. I think we're going to see a lot more of that [2430.01] Andy: I think um, holy bro. I've got a new five inch coming out of use or it's already out [2435.45] Andy: Is it called the the copris or something like that? [2438.81] Andy: Sorry [2440.09] Andy: Yeah, so [2441.61] Andy: I think i've got i'm gonna be checking that one out too [2444.73] Andy: I didn't get to check out the gt2 though. Have you? [2447.93] NJ: I have um, well, I did quite a lot of reviews on the old gt2, which is somewhere [2453.61] NJ: Actually the one kind of against that black bag there. That's the new gt2 [2458.57] NJ: n [2459.61] NJ: so yeah, i'm [2463.29] NJ: That's exactly what it is. Um [2465.85] NJ: yeah, i've i've [2469.05] NJ: I've set it all up and i've had a quick fly of it and [2473.21] NJ: I mean, I won't give away too much without [2477.37] NJ: Spending some time on the deeper review of the quad, but I will say this it's actually [2481.85] NJ: A fair bit heavier than the first one [2484.49] NJ: And then it's mainly because they've added so much stuff like the vibration motor dampening system, which is very clever and [2491.85] NJ: Uh quite a nice addition [2493.37] NJ: But the problem is you add that then they've added the esc protectors, which are aluminium [2498.89] NJ: They've made the battery plate bigger, which is aluminium. They've kept the five mil thick [2504.01] NJ: Carbon base plate. Um, they haven't changed the shape of that. So there's just a lot of material there [2509.77] NJ: And I think once I fitted that with a gopro [2513.85] NJ: A cheap small tpu mount to adjust the angle and a 1350 battery it came in at about [2520.55] NJ: 640 grams. Yeah, that's pretty heavy [2523.61] NJ: Porky, um considering the old the old one was I think [2527.53] NJ: Maybe 40 50 grams 60 grams lighter than that with it the way it was [2531.93] NJ: So I mean another chunk of the weight in that is that it has some pretty serious motors on it [2537.37] NJ: Um, but it did fly fly really nicely [2540.65] Andy: I think you either have you have two traces now because we have the option to have really lightweight [2546.79] Andy: quadcopters like under 300 grams [2549.93] Andy: But I I found that [2551.93] Andy: Those if you like stick a gopro on them and make them a little bit heavier because they usually got thinner arms and [2558.41] Andy: thinner carbon they break [2560.57] Andy: As soon as you put a gopro on they're fine [2562.33] Andy: If you don't put a gopro on this sort of if you crash them [2565.85] Andy: The the fact that they're a bit lighter usually means that they don't break [2569.61] Andy: but [2570.49] Andy: If you stick a gopro on that then they usually do so [2573.93] NJ: Yeah, you can cover that [2576.17] Andy: The the gt2 has got a huge thick frame [2579.69] Andy: Well, the one I had the very first version and I I would challenge anyone to try and break that it's like a brick [2586.49] Andy: so I think either you go heavy and [2589.37] Andy: Don't break anything or you go lightweight and stuff's going to break eventually [2594.25] NJ: Yeah, I think well another prime example of that is the the b fight [2599.29] NJ: Which you've you've reviewed and i've received [2602.17] NJ: Um as well [2607.05] NJ: Which is that right which is [2610.09] NJ: Super light and my camera's out of you. Here we go [2612.81] NJ: Um, which is that guy there? Um, and this started life as a b fight [2617.21] NJ: But i've completely butchered it and put in a completely different everything and upgraded the motors. But [2623.29] NJ: Yeah, this is the one that's sub 300 grams. I think it's like 270. Yeah [2628.09] Andy: Something like that [2630.17] NJ: Because of that low inertia being so light. I mean this has decked quite hard a few times [2635.13] NJ: Not carrying the inertia. It's been fine [2636.65] NJ: But as you say if you start putting the gopro on and bringing the weight up suddenly these arms aren't going to cut it [2641.85] NJ: Yeah, and and it will break but that that would be a real candidate for something like the run cam split [2647.85] NJ: um [2648.73] NJ: Where you can do [2650.09] NJ: Yeah, well, this is the the problem is is just you know, look [2654.25] NJ: You can get three in the stack quite happily, but there's no room for a fourth [2658.81] NJ: no, yeah, um [2660.81] NJ: so [2661.77] Tony: I'm hoping the v2 [2663.69] Tony: Is going to be a lot better because I want to put my my race. I want to put it in my race quads [2668.81] Andy: But you know, you know how we were talking about latency earlier. I I [2673.69] Andy: Struggled to notice latency between ppm [2677.53] Andy: And s bus however when I flew the run cam split I definitely noticed it [2684.65] Frank: so [2685.69] Andy: Yeah, well that that was and you know my my sense because it was slower. Yeah [2691.05] Andy: So sorry, so yes slower [2693.69] Andy: I could it was it was flyable. It was but I could definitely notice a delay there. Yeah, so [2701.21] Andy: Which which surprised me because I never noticed stuff like that [2705.53] Andy: So yeah, that was that I think if you're doing fast racing through gates and stuff [2710.81] Andy: I think it's doable, but I think if you require that sort of [2716.33] Andy: There's really quick maneuvers then you could end up [2719.69] Andy: struggling maybe yeah, I think [2722.65] NJ: Sorry, there's a question from uh, davey davey boy saying would it be better to use? [2727.69] NJ: 16 by 9 cameras for my dom 3's [2731.05] NJ: um, and just because it's been discussed a bit so [2733.93] NJ: I i'm sure everyone's got their own opinion on this but [2737.05] NJ: the the pros of 16 by 9 [2739.45] NJ: Uh having that aspect ratio as it should be without the side stretched is obviously good [2744.65] NJ: I found it doesn't really matter in freestyle using a 4 by 3 camera in 16 by 9 goggles like the amway commanders or the dom v3s [2752.41] NJ: For freestyle, that's absolutely fine. It's when you're racing and you're going through gates [2757.13] NJ: Uh and all of a sudden the gate looks squashed and for me i'm no problem racing through gates [2762.25] NJ: But a 4 by 3 camera [2764.73] NJ: On a 16 by 9 screen going through the gate suddenly becomes incredibly intimidating for me and it's a weird thing [2773.05] NJ: so [2774.65] NJ: In terms of the 16 by 9 cameras. There's a couple out there [2777.53] NJ: There's a couple of CMOS based ones, which are actually very fast [2781.53] NJ: Like you couldn't tell the latency on them at all. I think the monster certainly the v1 the v2 [2786.65] NJ: I think is actually quicker than an 11 77 believe it or not [2790.49] NJ: But the problem with the monster is uh, certainly the one that i've been testing is that very hard to get the settings [2797.61] NJ: Good, they have a lot of that kind of tendency that CMOS cameras have [2802.09] NJ: Where you flip around to see the sun and the wide dynamic range setting on it doesn't really do a good job of exposing both [2809.69] NJ: Very well. Yeah, but in terms of having 1200 TV lines of information the picture is beautiful when it's good [2816.49] NJ: It's amazing and then 16 by 9 in 16 by 9 is great [2820.81] NJ: So that's why i'm super intrigued to try the sparrow out, which I know andy's tried [2825.53] NJ: Um, but yeah, that's my take on it in terms of of 16 by 9 [2829.45] NJ: It's just that vertical space thing. The other thing is because of the shape of the sensor you find you lose that [2835.77] NJ: Vertical which really it means that your camera angle is a lot more critical when you're flying [2841.69] NJ: Because you've lost that extra vertical information that you will have on a 4 by 3 sensor [2846.25] NJ: So you tend to and going to a wider lens doesn't solve the problem [2849.85] NJ: Like most of them come with like a 2.5 lens you put a 2.1 on it and you think oh i'll get more vertical [2855.45] NJ: You actually look at a picture [2857.29] NJ: Of a 16 by 9 camera with a 2.1 2.5 [2862.25] NJ: Lens or even a 1.8 and you'll see virtually no difference [2864.97] NJ: All it does is get more warped at the edges and it doesn't really give you any more vertical information [2871.05] NJ: So there's pros and cons to the whole thing [2873.77] NJ: Um, but I do like there are occasions for freestyle where I really like a 16 by 9 picture in 16 by 9 [2882.01] Tony: Yeah, if you match the camera with your goggles, I think you're on a winner because i'm still [2886.89] Tony: I still love my v2s [2888.89] Tony: Because most cameras are still [2892.17] Tony: Not 16 by 9. There's only a few cameras out there [2895.69] NJ: Yeah [2898.41] NJ: How did you find the sparrow help held up in terms of [2901.85] NJ: The wide dynamic range and because that's the bit that I want to test having worked with [2906.17] NJ: Reviewed and looked at the monster in quite quite a lot of detail [2910.65] NJ: Um, was it quite good? [2914.17] Andy: Yeah, I thought it was incredible, you know, it's funny because [2917.93] Andy: Runcam [2919.37] Andy: They they emailed me and said we're going to send you this camera. We've got no information for you though [2924.09] Andy: Right. So so I didn't I didn't know whether it was a ccd or cmos. Yeah [2932.41] Andy: All that I knew was that it was a micro 16 by 9 camera, so [2937.61] Andy: I I took the runcam [2941.21] Andy: micro 2 off the same model and replaced it with the [2946.65] Andy: 16 by 9 camera [2948.65] Andy: And I flew it and I couldn't I couldn't tell the difference with pitch quality or wide dynamic range or anything like that [2955.29] Andy: So I was really impressed for me the the whole 16 by 9 4 by 3 thing [2960.33] Andy: It's it's it's an ocd thing for me. I don't i'm i'm sure it's fine flying. What do you mean? [2968.41] Jack: No, no ocd [2971.05] Jack: No, no, Andy is rsd [2977.29] Andy: No, no ocd no anyways no so like a 4 by 3 camera [2982.73] Andy: Um stretched on a 16 by 9 screen like the dumb [2986.49] Andy: Dumb v3s and the the box goggles it it winds me up even though I can fly fine with it [2992.97] Andy: So so so for me, I don't really notice a difference. It's just that everything's in perspective better [3001.29] Andy: When it comes to sort of does it improve the flying experience? [3004.57] Andy: Probably not because you know, we're still dealing with analog video regardless [3009.77] NJ: Well, I did notice actually because I did I watched that sparrow, uh review of yours and um [3015.93] NJ: What the one thing I did notice having messed around with the monster and the monster v2 is I recognized the on-screen display for that [3024.25] NJ: Interface looked identical. Yeah [3027.05] NJ: That got me thinking [3029.29] NJ: You know fox here and runkamad of is there are they borrowing? Uh, is that is that an open source? [3036.25] NJ: Interface that is accessible to both companies or that this it was just something very familiar [3041.53] Andy: Yeah, I mean they're all hacked cctv cameras anyway, aren't they? Yeah [3046.25] NJ: yeah, but it had a lot of the same options which are very uh, very different to how a [3052.57] NJ: uh 1177 deal, you know, you have you turn on wide dynamic range and you set the amount but you've [3058.73] NJ: It's a totally different thing on the on the monster with that menu [3062.41] NJ: uh where you choose your low middle and high settings and then there's [3065.93] NJ: There's various other parameters around that to to try and get it to work [3070.33] NJ: But yeah on the monster v2 [3072.09] NJ: It's it's been a real mission to get it with wide dynamic ranges working [3075.93] NJ: Well, so if you say the sparrow was good and it certainly looked good from your footage and that's definitely something [3082.01] Andy: They've got a they've got a bigger version of it as well [3084.97] Andy: And it's just called see the one I review was the sparrow micro, but they've got a sparrow [3090.25] Andy: A bigger size one that I need to check out as well. So I'll have to see if there's any difference [3094.49] Andy: Yeah, it's what I like them. You know, I i'm not that great at spotting differences though, you know [3100.49] Andy: I I don't do racing or anything like that. I just do freestyle and any advancement in this top technology [3107.05] Andy: I'm just like wow, that's amazing [3110.49] NJ: Yeah, well I I think 16 by 9 is just it's [3115.13] NJ: It's great. But the only thing I would definitely not choose it for is is racing [3120.09] NJ: I just think you need all the vertical information you can get when you're racing and you [3124.49] NJ: Tilting that quad at 90 degrees and slamming the throttle. You just you can't sacrifice [3130.09] NJ: information off the top and the bottom [3132.17] NJ: But um, but yeah for me for freestyle and just having a lovely picture [3136.73] Andy: Maybe we'll see a super view style fpv camera at some point because I think you know [3143.37] Andy: And yet when you look at the uh, the advancement of any sort of visual technology [3148.57] Andy: It's always gone from 4 by 3 to 16 by 9 [3151.45] Andy: So I imagine that will probably happen if it goes digital which it probably will at some point [3157.29] Andy: So when we're all when we've all got gopro quality in our goggles, then maybe it'll be 16 by 9 [3165.77] Jack: Sounds good [3169.77] Jack: I've got two questions for tony [3172.25] Jack: And then one thing for davie, uh, tony what? [3182.09] Jack: What [3184.81] Jack: Are you not talking to me again? Well, I said what? [3189.69] Jack: Yes, darling, it's like listening to a teenager and his mom [3194.09] Andy: I know. Yeah, I know [3196.33] Andy: Would you like a mediator to like talk through me if jack tells me? Yeah [3200.73] Andy: Okay, i'll tell tony. Okay andy. What does the goliath want? [3205.69] Andy: Jack [3207.05] Jack: I think tony wants to know what you want. Tell that bold old [3212.49] Andy: Dog molesting. I really wish I had agreed to this already. I'm instantly regretting it [3219.05] Jack: Has anyone got any popcorn? I'd love the popcorn. Yeah [3223.45] Jack: Yeah, delicious sweet. Also, I want a couple [3227.69] NJ: What kind of guy you are sweet and you can't mix sweet and salty is just terrible. That's such a bad [3233.45] Jack: I'm more sweet, but sweet and salty is good, man. You've got to try [3237.93] NJ: All the bad things in one [3240.49] NJ: sweet or salty [3242.57] Jack: um [3243.85] Jack: asking [3245.21] Jack: is he [3246.25] Jack: Tony have you did you get your camera working? [3249.85] Tony: Because obviously you don't like me anymore. Tell that freaking yeti longer [3255.37] Tony: Three if I did [3257.61] Jack: so pay he's so [3260.81] Jack: He he he had a go at me earlier for trying to read the daily mail [3266.68] Tony: I said all newspapers were the crap [3269.32] Jack: Oh my god, this come from the guy who spends his life on wiki leaks. Um, the daily mail is terrible [3276.04] Andy: They're all crap. I don't need to read the news [3281.0] Tony: Did you uh hear about the um, uh, this is totally off subject [3286.6] Tony: But daffy boy just reminded me because I put a post out [3290.36] Tony: Vegans are now selling their shite [3297.96] Tony: For people like you who have got crone's disease [3301.72] Andy: There who have got bad poo poos because you eat [3313.72] Tony: It's a poop transfusion [3317.08] Tony: Is [3324.92] Tony: And then jack [3331.16] Jack: Better welcome to let's poop out [3340.2] Jack: As well [3347.0] Tony: You're an asshole, I think I remember you saying last week that you had to have tests for something like live on air [3353.32] Jack: Yeah, I know. Yeah [3355.0] Jack: tests, I know [3357.0] Jack: It might not mean there's something dementedly wrong with me [3362.36] Tony: Look we all know you're wrong anyway [3365.8] Jack: Um, did side get his stuff by the way, he hasn't uh, no he hasn't picked it up [3371.48] Jack: All right. He'll probably come tomorrow [3373.24] Jack: Um, dummy right guys, we got we're in tech corner now where we're trying to help people instead of ruining their lives like tony [3381.48] Jack: um [3383.08] Jack: What an asshole [3386.52] Tony: Exactly you're saying exactly the right thing there jack [3389.86] Jack: Arsehole it it will help [3396.2] Tony: Has anyone used this i've used this the other day and it was a win [3401.16] NJ: Conformance coating now conformal. Yeah [3404.12] Tony: Yeah, I put it in [3405.8] Tony: um, I [3407.0] Tony: took a quarter part [3408.84] Tony: covered my eses covered my [3411.32] Tony: um [3412.12] Tony: flight controller [3413.56] Tony: Everything left it for a day turn it on fired up fine and I actually [3418.2] Tony: Put my quad out in the rain [3420.44] Tony: It was peeing down and I flew it in the rain and it was [3423.96] Tony: Fun, so I know now I have a totally waterproof quad that I can actually fly in the complete [3431.96] Tony: Rain, like I really want to do a proper peeing down [3435.8] Andy: Like where'd you get that from tony because i've i've killed two quads in two weeks [3441.96] Tony: Due to landing them with grass. I got it off ebay [3445.88] Tony: It's called, uh flexible silicon coating electro lube. It was six quid delivered [3453.32] Tony: I wonder what [3457.08] Jack: Find that it's amazing what comes up in your [3462.6] Jack: Lubricant [3464.68] Jack: The lonely nights the lonely night [3468.52] Jack: I can I can smell the muster of the testosterone [3477.8] Jack: Shut up you vegan idiot, right? [3480.92] Jack: Hello, I'm looking for some very guys regarding my most recent bills [3487.24] Jack: Basically the problem is i've got video lines in my [3491.48] Jack: video feed [3493.16] Jack: My arm the quad nothing major, but decided to have a poke around [3498.2] Jack: um [3499.8] Jack: Right, so what is would you like to know what is running or shall I just get to the problem? [3504.52] Jack: Yes, that's the problem. That's all right. Okay. All right [3507.96] Jack: We can read if we're that arrow v3 on there nj by the way, I love your review on that [3514.2] Jack: He hasn't reviewed it have you reviewed it? Yes [3519.16] NJ: Actually jack [3522.36] Jack: Um [3523.72] Jack: What I discovered is the top part the pod with the frame where the camera and vtx amounted on it [3530.36] Jack: And he takes it from the bottom section arm it the video is nice and clear [3535.8] Jack: But as soon as I sit the pod back on the [3539.32] Jack: the lines appear [3541.0] Jack: So i'm guessing [3542.52] Jack: his motor screws [3545.4] NJ: Uh endings do you reckon yeah, it sounds like that's that's exactly it. You've got you've got, uh something [3552.28] NJ: uh, this is like a basically like an earth loop in there, so I would [3556.44] NJ: Uh check each point on each esc of the three points. Uh, and I would check it again [3562.6] NJ: Put put the negative into the motor screw [3564.92] NJ: or uh [3565.4] NJ: That's the easiest way all the negative of the battery terminal and then go around the other one and [3569.88] NJ: And check each of your esc points and see if you're getting anything go off except the ground wire because obviously that will go off [3576.92] NJ: But um, I I check for for that very likely to be a ground screw [3582.36] NJ: Uh ground screw going in [3584.76] NJ: if he's getting [3586.36] NJ: If it's I mean, it's a little tricky to tell because a lot of the really nasty [3590.92] NJ: um [3591.88] NJ: lines that you get [3593.48] NJ: from motor noise [3595.48] NJ: If it is motor noise, it's usually flat or slightly diagonal [3599.88] NJ: And that is and that is alternating current coming in which because that's all your escs are the little alternating current generators [3607.64] NJ: Um, and you tend to see that more in the higher throttle range. So sometimes a quad that's giving you bad problems. Um [3615.4] NJ: Is is due to you you'll see more of that in the upper throttle range [3620.52] NJ: So if you're still getting that after you check you haven't got any ground problems chuck an lc filter in there [3625.48] NJ: Um, most of the modern flight controllers these days and all-in-ones with osds have pretty pretty decent filtering [3631.24] NJ: So you tend not to have a problem [3633.08] NJ: If you still can't get it solved with an lc filter the absolute be all and end all way to kill all [3638.84] NJ: Uh ac noise in your quad is to put like a 250 [3644.34] NJ: microfarad radial capacitor on each esc [3648.36] NJ: Um, you put that and that stops it dead. I guarantee you will have perfectly clean video. That is the 100 way it's solved it [3656.84] NJ: And what are they so you put them in parallel on the [3660.2] NJ: escs [3660.84] NJ: So you've got the plus and the minus dc in and then you've got your three phase out to the motor [3665.8] NJ: so on the plus and the minus uh, you wire the plus to the plus leg of the [3672.04] NJ: capacitor [3673.32] NJ: To the plus right at the esc with the legs nice and short [3677.08] NJ: Um, and like I said around 200 250 microfarads radial capacitor [3683.24] NJ: Um, and you just put a lot of escs the older escs the helicopter escs [3688.04] NJ: Uh, they have them they've got them all on them. I don't know why mini quads [3691.24] NJ: They just started taking them off, but they've been on them for years. It's just well. Yeah, there is that but it's size [3697.4] NJ: It's a good idea to have [3700.6] Andy: Did he say as well [3702.52] Andy: Did he say that the lines weren't there he's got it all in a pod and when he screws the pod down [3708.28] Andy: That's when the noise comes is that [3711.0] Andy: it could be shielding as well on the vtx if it's like a [3715.16] Andy: A poor vtx I found as well [3717.24] Andy: If you if it gets closer to like say a regulator on the board, then noise can get through the [3723.72] Andy: If it's got bad shielding on the you know, vtx is having a fire though. Have the blade [3728.92] Andy: Take i'm sorry [3730.52] NJ: Unify though, so it should be all right. Oh was it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, the unifiers are usually pretty bulletproof for that kind of stuff. Sure [3738.52] NJ: um [3740.76] NJ: I'll try all those things. Anyways a few bits to have a go out there [3745.08] NJ: Any other questions, davey boy asks and erc [3748.76] NJ: Have you done a draw for the giveaway you did for the b fight and the other 120 quad yet? [3754.6] Andy: I have yes [3755.64] Andy: I'm just waiting for them to reply [3758.44] Andy: So I I did a giveaway and I said that [3762.36] Andy: If I don't get a reply within a couple of days i'll be picking someone else. So [3767.0] Andy: the the leader 120 [3770.52] Andy: Winner has replied but the b fight guy hasn't so i might have to redraw it if I if I don't [3781.08] Andy: I actually use a uh, it's a cool website. It's a random [3785.24] Andy: comment picker [3786.92] Andy: And you could you just put your youtube url in there and press the button and it like picks it for you [3792.44] Andy: It's really good because it means that no one sort of you know gets missed and stuff. It's a good idea [3798.2] NJ: Uh, I'm just sorry. I was just laughing at uh curry kitten's, uh comment get the lube out to relieve the tension [3810.6] NJ: Any other questions that we [3813.24] Tony: Have missed the need looking at [3816.28] Tony: um [3817.72] Andy: Well jack's gone off with the amp there. So he's i've had a fire today. Can I talk about that? [3823.96] Andy: We forgot about that. Yeah [3826.76] Andy: so, um, yeah, I mean I was I was working on a video today and [3832.68] Andy: nj you'll probably get this like did you know when you received something and [3837.24] Andy: It just I mean I think you had it with the b fight and it just all goes [3841.4] Andy: It just all goes wrong and you look at it and you just think this is going to take up a lot of my time [3847.88] Andy: Yeah, absolutely [3850.12] Andy: There's a couple of quads out there and I i've mentioned it in videos before so there's um [3854.76] Andy: There's the the fury bee brand you might have heard of it's like gear bests [3859.96] Andy: Isheen if you will [3861.96] Andy: they um [3863.0] Andy: From from from what I gather like isheen and fury bee they're they're just brands that [3868.6] Andy: The company just bolts on there. I don't know if you've seen the uh, you know [3872.2] Andy: These isheen ev goggles that everyone's talking about. Well, if you go on gear best website, they're called the the fury bee [3880.04] Andy: Ev 100 so I I don't think where that isheen and fury bee. I don't I think they are just brands that either [3886.92] Andy: Bangor or gear best slap on to a product that someone else provides [3891.08] Andy: so, uh anyways [3893.8] Andy: The um, i've been having problems with usually the this fury bee brand is pretty good [3899.88] Andy: But they've released the quad called the p 180 [3903.48] Andy: and the g 180 [3905.88] Andy: And i've had three of them in an attempt to you know, try and get a review out of them [3911.72] Andy: But every time something fails, I managed to get a review of the [3916.36] Andy: P-180 that took two models and two ese's catching fire [3921.64] Andy: They've sent me they've sent me that this one. This is the one that caught fire today [3925.64] Andy: This is called the g 180 and it was just sat on sat on the desk. I was just uh [3932.52] Andy: This one already had an ese uh fail. It just wasn't working [3937.08] Andy: It's the the eses that are the problem and it was just sat on the the desk there [3941.64] Andy: I had the battery plugged in and the magic smoke just starts coming out [3946.28] Andy: and uh, yeah, so so that's my [3949.56] Andy: No, no review today because it just caught fire and I don't i'm not sure whether i'm gonna persevere with it [3956.44] Andy: Because it's exactly the same components as this p 180 model. It's set. It's got a different frame. So [3963.8] Andy: Yeah, if you ever check that one out, it's uh, it could be a lot of work for you [3967.88] Andy: I might i'm at the point where i'm kind of like i've had enough of it like, you know through [3972.6] Andy: Uh three ese fires is uh, it's it's not worthy of my time anymore [3980.04] Andy: But yeah, that was my day at uh caught fire [3983.08] Andy: I might like I get fed up with it and throw it back in the box [3986.52] Andy: But I might stick another ese on there at some point but uh, yeah [3991.0] Andy: It's like sometimes you'll spend I think people don't realize this when you review stuff [3995.24] Andy: Like it can be you can literally spend all day [3998.44] Andy: On it and then it breaks at the end. There's nothing you can do. You can't release the video and you have to [4003.64] Andy: Uh talk with the company you have to send it back [4006.92] Andy: Sometimes them send you a new one and it's sometimes it's just not worth the effort. So [4012.36] Andy: Yeah [4013.32] Andy: That's my story today [4015.4] NJ: Yeah, and it's all it's all it's all part of the parcel especially when we're talking [4019.72] NJ: You know a lot about these long-range systems earlier these things go through my head. You just think [4025.0] NJ: It's just that whole argument again of single single points of failure, you know [4029.8] NJ: The helicopters are riddled with them and so are so a cod copters, you know one [4034.2] NJ: One capacitor on one ese might go down and you know [4037.96] NJ: That one capacitor is a single point of failure on a cod copter and that loan the ese as a whole [4043.48] NJ: You know, there's there's all these things. So there are things that you do. You just have to [4047.48] NJ: I think that you should [4049.88] NJ: Uh spend the money on um, if you're you know [4052.76] NJ: building one yourself and and [4055.16] NJ: Yeah, if you get three of one quad as a plug and fly and you've had this same issue with the eses each time [4061.4] NJ: I mean ultimately this is going to cost them because they've clearly got a qc problem [4065.96] NJ: Uh with the eses that they're being provided [4068.92] NJ: um [4070.2] NJ: Yeah, but at the same time you kind of have to [4073.8] NJ: Put the word out there [4075.56] NJ: Sorry, you don't want to upset the yeah [4077.72] Andy: When it comes to you when it comes to the p180 that that's what I did. I managed to get a review out of it [4084.2] Andy: But I I did sort of say look, you know, it's had it's had two ese failures [4088.92] Andy: It's got had noise all over the video as well and uh, yeah, so [4094.44] Andy: I will probably avoid that one. Yeah, indeed [4098.2] Andy: I don't like I don't like saying something's crap. So what I will say about this one is that it's not very good [4106.28] Andy: What no what i'll say is on paper. It looks fantastic. But mine that I got a little bit flamey a little bit flamey [4115.8] NJ: Hot under the collar red red props to hide the fire [4120.68] UNKNOWN: Yeah [4122.04] Tony: Are you coming back jack? Have I upset you or has uh your isp upset you that much that you [4129.72] Jack: everything [4131.56] Jack: all above [4132.84] Jack: absolutely everything [4135.0] Jack: I have I'm disappointed in and the rc for not defending me [4141.8] Andy: Not defending what defending were [4145.48] Jack: I don't I [4151.48] Andy: I was the person in the middle and yeah [4159.8] Jack: Especially messenger as good looking as he is [4161.88] Andy: You [4166.92] Jack: Sing my replies [4169.16] Andy: There's a there's a reason that I rarely show my face on the on the on my channel [4173.88] Andy: It's just it's not worth looking at whatsoever [4177.56] Tony: Come on [4179.88] Jack: That's probably what they mean. It's like advertiser unfriendly. Yeah. Yeah my face [4185.88] Andy: My face is advertising [4187.88] Jack: It's the male version of hello boys [4192.2] Andy: Come to think of it. Yeah, every every video i've had where they've said not advertiser friendly was one where I got my face [4201.32] Andy: So, uh, yeah [4204.28] Andy: That's nice [4205.88] Andy: Davey boy says you're too beautiful andy. Oh, thanks very much. I don't know what to do with that information, but [4213.72] Jack: Not that far north wales what the um is the is the car parcel thing in what the north miles [4221.48] Frank: Yeah [4223.0] Jack: Wiles though, that's the worst part [4226.6] Frank: Yeah, but it's the castle [4229.0] Jack: It's miles [4231.56] Tony: It's mileage, isn't it? Hello bsm web. Yeah, I was just about to say bsm [4236.84] Tony: I'm sorry. I'm a text you i'm a knob. No, see no one like went no [4244.52] Tony: Nodded [4245.8] NJ: I was just saying big hello to uh [4248.52] NJ: Bms where to pull uh bms or bsm [4252.76] NJ: doing this [4253.8] NJ: Yeah bms web, uh, especially obviously paul and thomas and thomas winning the adelay cup [4259.56] NJ: That was absolutely epic. If you haven't been on their channel and checked out that video. You should go and watch it. It is absolutely [4265.7] NJ: Incredible that my uh adrenaline was going just watching it. I don't know how thomas stays so cool. I know he's brilliant, isn't he? [4273.4] Tony: Super [4274.84] NJ: Something. Yeah, I think it was eight for first first place [4278.68] Andy: Yeah, I don't know how to do it when I when I was at western park watching [4282.92] Andy: Listening to those beeps go down my heart my heart was going [4287.16] Tony: I was watching beeps man. They they're I will [4290.92] Tony: You know when you die and have flashbacks [4294.12] Tony: Well, I don't know about when I die, but yeah flashback they're gonna be there [4302.92] Jack: I hate them things. I I think um [4306.84] Jack: You know that last beep is like the lead up to the flat line because it's kind of like tony's mind [4316.52] Jack: Hook your monitor up to a beat module in intensive care, you know [4323.88] Jack: That is mind flatlining [4326.2] Tony: Here we go [4327.64] Jack: Here we go. Come on. That's where that comes from near death [4333.24] NJ: So the baby boy is just asking about a couple of quads here in the quads corner [4338.52] NJ: Um, so the series asking about is it what's the white cod? [4342.12] NJ: So that's the one I did a three-part bill video on that guy. That's the beast sx by ready eddie [4348.36] NJ: Ah, it's just awesome with the crazy [4351.0] Jack: Look like it's made by apple [4353.64] NJ: It does a little bit doesn't it in which case it's it's it's a million pounds [4358.84] NJ: Um, and the white one is that's my main freestyler [4363.8] NJ: Which is the x version of that which is called the beast [4369.08] NJ: And uh, yeah while we're on the subject of esse these are the [4373.72] NJ: furious [4374.84] NJ: es [4375.96] NJ: High volt 35 amp [4378.6] NJ: And they are very light and very very good. They've been solid [4382.2] NJ: I've got them on both of those actually. So if you want to know what esse's I run [4386.6] NJ: Those guys there are absolutely superb. So yeah, that's what's floating in the background [4392.04] Tony: Yeah, i'm hearing a lot of people will talk about spedex as well. Everyone's really liking spedex [4397.0] NJ: I've got one lot on sorry. That's exactly what they are. Why did I see? I don't know [4403.0] NJ: Furious you're right. They are [4405.08] NJ: And I thought i'm really good at marketing me. Yeah, they are spedex [4411.72] Jack: I think [4416.28] Jack: 35 [4419.98] NJ: Yes, they're 35 [4423.18] Jack: Holy shit, this is like the end of the world. I've corrected enjo. You have yes their es 30 [4431.5] NJ: They burst [4434.38] Jack: Apparently [4444.06] Tony: How long until spedex put their prices up because brad is flying it's so cheap [4448.86] Tony: Yeah, I know they are. They're like six quid each. Yeah, the ones i've got and brad is is flying a uh, all in one [4455.58] Tony: 40 m [4456.78] Tony: um [4458.14] Tony: And he's loving it at the moment [4460.46] NJ: Yeah [4462.54] Tony: Very good on them on the on the on the revo or anything with um tilted arms [4468.94] NJ: Yeah [4470.14] NJ: Mikey said do they do d shot? [4472.46] NJ: 1200 [4473.74] NJ: And daby boy quite rightly said no d shot 600 at the minute d shot 600 [4479.5] NJ: Is where to be it's getting the most updates and it's got the most features [4483.4] NJ: 16.63 does all the d shot commands like turtle mode and all that business [4488.14] NJ: Um b. All heli 32 is is going to be brilliant, but it's just it's lacking the updates at the minute, you know [4496.78] NJ: telemetry current sensing volt sensing [4500.7] NJ: rpm data that telemetry goodness, uh will come [4505.1] NJ: Um, but yeah, we just got to wait for the updates for that stuff at the minute d shots 600 is probably where to be [4511.66] NJ: um until [4513.74] NJ: 32 develops a little further that [4516.54] Tony: Give it a couple of weeks and then the spedex of the [4522.86] Tony: Everyone's putting them up you can guarantee they just whack their prices up [4527.66] Jack: Yeah [4529.02] Jack: Um, yeah, we could be a shame [4532.38] Jack: Are you running d shot on those tiger eses? [4542.4] Andy: What? [4547.07] Andy: Well, i love how we all just sat there down for about 10 seconds of dead air [4551.15] Andy: I [4552.51] Tony: Well, I was like like when jack speaks like part of my brain just switches off [4557.79] NJ: I think he mentioned tiger eses and are they running d shot 600? I think [4565.55] Tony: I listen to you. Jeff. I don't eat. I don't listen to him most as long [4571.05] Jack: It is pointless. Honestly, I might as well just draw a face on a [4576.41] Jack: Honestly, and that'd be my new friend [4578.89] Tony: Starwood [4583.93] Jack: It's vegan, um [4590.09] Jack: The tiger eses, you know the team motor eses [4595.61] Tony: Never heard of them [4599.42] NJ: I've not tried them. But yes, I know what you're talking about. Do you run d shot on them? [4604.3] Jack: You own several pairs [4607.18] Jack: Are you talking to me or no? Yeah you you tony [4615.1] Tony: I run f40s and then they're all on multi shot and like i've said a hundred times before i'm with chad [4621.82] Tony: Nowak on this I can't tell the difference between d shot and multi shot apart from beeping eses and some magic stuff [4629.18] Tony: It does [4630.22] Tony: But apart from flying it no you great oath [4633.9] Jack: You [4635.9] Jack: Shot at least you don't have to calibrate yet [4638.38] Tony: You used yours running d shot and I didn't feel the difference between d shot and multi shot. I've said it before [4644.78] Jack: Yeah, but then you don't have to calibrate [4647.9] Tony: I don't calibrate [4652.54] NJ: You definitely should calibrate if you're a multi-shot table hello [4657.42] Tony: Some on mute jack now for god's sake you're talking on the phone [4660.94] Andy: It's like so professional isn't it? I um, I tried out bbl halley 32 a couple of months ago and [4668.38] Andy: It it seemed very clunky and one of the eses fried as well. So [4673.42] Andy: And you also need beta fly [4675.88] Andy: 3.2 don't you to get to get it working as well? [4679.74] NJ: Yeah, i've tried it. I did uh, i've flown a couple on bill halley 32. Um, and [4686.06] NJ: Yeah, there's no massive perceivable difference at the minute to me either [4690.46] NJ: But um, I think that next kind of step in terms of of a noticeable precision [4696.94] NJ: Will probably be when the telemetry is received from the ese flight controller saying exactly [4703.66] NJ: How many how much rpm the motor is doing? [4706.62] NJ: Where it can relay that information and bait flight can make use of it [4709.82] NJ: I think then some really cool stuff will happen. But at the minute yeah, there's [4715.02] NJ: I as I said, they shot 600 all the way for the for the meantime. I remember about a month ago [4721.1] Andy: I reviewed a quadcopter that didn't have bl halley ses [4725.58] Andy: It was just bl halley and like no one was interested anymore because it didn't [4730.62] Andy: Because it didn't have the s on the end and I think maybe give it a couple of months and no one will be interested in [4735.74] Andy: bl halley s let's [4738.46] Andy: Do at the end of it. So last week andy. Yeah, exactly [4742.46] Andy: Yeah, have you had your uh, we talked we talked about those ishin goggles. Have you had them yet? [4749.02] NJ: No, no sign of them. Yeah, the the crossfire is turning up tomorrow [4753.18] NJ: Um, and I think very possibly tomorrow maybe the day after the ishin goggles will turn up seems uh, [4758.94] Andy: Everywhere else has had them but I haven't seen a uk reviewer from yeah. Yeah mine mine were [4765.82] NJ: uh, definitely one of the [4768.38] NJ: I was told about them early and it was put on order to me as soon as they were available. So [4774.54] NJ: It should be here any day. Um, but as I as I said, you know, we've chat about these this product [4780.86] NJ: Uh between us a little as well [4782.3] NJ: But uh, there's there's problems there that i've already spotted before i've even got them in my hands [4787.98] Andy: But we shall wait and see it's a stranger on this because there was uh, eight thousand odd pre-orders. So [4795.18] Andy: I think they probably already sold what they wanted to sell from them. Anyway, so [4801.5] Andy: I've watched jews review [4805.5] Andy: Is that the same ones you're talking about yeah, those are the ones they're basically it's an it's a it's an interesting case because [4812.7] Andy: They were out at 77 pounds on pre-order [4816.22] Andy: And then when they were released, they pretty much doubled the price of them, haven't they? [4821.5] Andy: So really i've seen that happen before but not on a scale [4825.66] Andy: Where like they have like eight thousand pre-orders, you know [4829.02] Andy: So that's that's like a huge amount of sales for something that no one's tried [4834.78] Andy: but I guess I think a lot of people sort of took the risk and said well, you know [4839.58] Andy: If if they are going to sort of be as good as fat sharks, then [4843.5] Andy: Or even if they're not then i'll take the risk and spend the 77 pounds [4848.3] Andy: I think now that they've like doubled the price of them [4851.58] Andy: I imagine it's getting close closer to the price of the teleporters perhaps [4856.46] Andy: So, uh, maybe you know, so so many people won't be interested unless they [4861.66] Andy: Bring the price down even more. But yeah, I don't have it. I don't have them yet. I'm still waiting on [4867.18] NJ: Yeah, I will just say yes when you do your um [4871.18] Tony: uh [4872.86] Tony: uh [4873.9] Tony: video with the [4876.22] Tony: Crossfire [4877.58] Tony: Are you gonna do it like with? [4879.74] Tony: one [4880.62] Tony: two the same quads but different [4883.18] Tony: How are you gonna do it? Are you gonna put it on the same quad and so [4887.42] NJ: I'll say now if you want to see a nice sort of blind test video of exactly that go and check out snake fpv's video [4894.62] NJ: Um, and he's a great pilot as well. Um, if you go and check out what he's he just went out and you know [4900.14] NJ: Rip balls on on two same quads blind test and he was like [4904.7] NJ: You know on the first quality said this has got to be it. He knew straight away [4908.62] NJ: Um, but for me it's really about using one of my old friends here that I know really really well [4914.62] NJ: and i've free sold for well over a year on that quad [4918.22] NJ: and [4919.02] NJ: I know how that feels. I know what the rates are like. I know exactly what to expect with that. So [4924.14] NJ: That's i'm hoping that i'm just going to notice it. So you're just going to change the yeah [4929.74] NJ: I like to think i'm very good at being objective and not [4932.78] NJ: hyping about something so i'm just going to go out and try it and I may come back and and conclude that [4939.1] NJ: I can't spot a difference at all. But um [4941.82] NJ: We'll see [4943.1] NJ: Be interesting [4946.41] Tony: That would be [4949.8] Jack: Hey, we've got someone who's joined us [4953.88] Jack: Yo, I felt this can hear me [4956.2] Jack: Yeah [4957.72] Jack: How's it going? What do you have to say for yourself? You're on trial? [4961.88] Clint: I'm trying to choke my camera man. I've got nothing. I've got nothing to say [4967.4] NJ: How are you [4968.76] Clint: I'm all right. Yeah. How about you? Great mate. Nice to hear from you. Yeah, i've been uh, been real busy [4973.96] Jack: So it's been a bit a bit bit sort of mental but uh, yeah, I missed I missed the sound of the mechanical keyboard [4981.08] Clint: Ah, do you want me to type something for you now? Just just uh, you know, can you hear that? [4986.44] Clint: Yeah, just came the way off just go on he's a [4989.32] Jack: He's a proper youtuber man, he's like showcasing [4994.6] Jack: Streaming velocity drone [4998.12] Clint: You know [4999.72] Clint: subs [5001.32] Clint: That's that's the only kind of flying i've been doing recently. So [5005.0] NJ: That's not that's the weather right the weather's been shocking [5008.6] Clint: Well, I suppose I spoke to you at the other day, didn't I neil was uh, i'm looking for an indoor flyer now [5012.36] Clint: So looking at something like the uh, the emx baby hawk or something similar [5017.48] NJ: Yeah, just something something that's not too high voltage and handled nicely and has some prop guards. Um, but still [5025.72] NJ: Potentially brushless although I know that's [5028.04] NJ: That's just me being a bit of a power freak. I know and he was quite rightly said last week [5032.68] NJ: You know, it's probably a lot more sensible to stay brushed if you're going to be indoors [5037.0] NJ: but [5038.2] NJ: Yeah, it depends how much expensive stuff you have to break in your house [5041.56] Clint: I know that bothers. There's not that much really just monitors everywhere [5045.32] Clint: But uh, I have just however fixed my quads. So my quality is all back together now [5051.16] Clint: It's been it's been out of uh, it's been out of picture now for about a month. So [5055.24] Clint: Yeah, just fixed it. I snapped it in two [5058.12] Clint: Nice the grass. So, uh, yeah new new new frame new frame is that a rick and morty t-shirt i'm spotting there [5064.68] Clint: And that is a rick and morty t-shirt. Yeah, i've been wild getting into that lately. I love it. It's amazing [5070.28] Clint: I'm going they can't they can't bring it out quick enough. So [5074.28] Jack: Yeah [5075.72] Jack: I'll buy that for 25 smekles [5078.84] Jack: Um, as you mean [5080.84] Jack: Is your uh camera? [5082.6] Jack: um [5083.64] Jack: Dirty or have you been vaping mad hard? [5087.88] Jack: Uh inside of radises van [5090.92] Clint: Yeah [5091.88] Clint: Vaping vaping mad hard man. I've been working really hard. So um, yeah, i've just been came in the hell out of this thing [5097.8] NJ: So it's all fun [5099.8] NJ: I think tony's frozen in this really thoughtful looking kind of thing [5103.56] Andy: I think he's pretending to be frozen. So he doesn't have to reply such a good impression. He looks very existential [5113.4] Jack: Oh, i've never seen him like that hold [5116.6] Andy: Oh tony's gone. Is he sad enough? [5119.16] Jack: I don't know [5121.16] Jack: Yeah, maybe [5122.84] Jack: Uh, let me text him [5127.4] Clint: Did you um, also neil, did you get my question earlier about your uh, your your your x7? [5132.92] NJ: Uh, i'm not sure. What was the question? [5135.8] Clint: Originally, you said that you were going to move over to the qx7 from your x9d once once the m7s were available [5142.76] NJ: Yes, this is true. Um, and now I have the m7s in [5146.76] NJ: and [5148.04] NJ: Do you know what? I found i've i've really given both of them a good go and what I did [5151.88] NJ: On purpose was I split my models up [5154.68] NJ: So that I didn't just leave one of them behind if I wanted to fly [5158.28] NJ: The quads that I normally take out i've got half the models on the qx7 and half the models on the x9d [5164.6] NJ: and [5165.64] NJ: from a comfort point of view [5168.2] NJ: I have to say the x9d has come out on top for me as a picture [5173.48] NJ: Um, if I was flying thumbs the qx7 would be on top [5178.28] NJ: So that's how I feel about those two things. The only thing I find with the qx7 is [5182.84] NJ: When pinching that you tend to sometimes i'll knock the top switches [5188.2] NJ: with my finger, um, so like for instance one of the [5191.88] NJ: Switches there I pull down for acro and i'll knock it when i'm throttling [5197.16] NJ: so [5198.12] NJ: That's why I found that not quite as as nice I can still happen if you know [5202.36] NJ: Someone said we've only got a qx7 here go out and fly no problem at all [5206.68] NJ: If there's a preference now, uh between the two in terms of comfort [5210.76] NJ: There's just uh a preference for me towards the x9d [5214.68] NJ: Um as they both have those m7 and m9 gimbals, I just think [5219.32] Andy: Do you prefer the gimbal? Do you prefer the updated gimbals to stock? [5223.72] NJ: Oh absolutely 100 percent. That is one one thing that i've known [5228.68] NJ: I mean I came from team spectrum and i'm going back a long long time [5233.16] NJ: Yeah, uh, well, it's not that long originally. It was jr and it was in the old 35 megahertz days [5239.16] NJ: Uh and futaba and then when spectrum came out [5242.44] NJ: I went to that and spectrum always made radios with really good gimbals and I missed that [5247.56] NJ: When I went to fr sky, I love the functionality of fr sky [5251.64] NJ: But the uh, the gimbals were i'll be honest. I just think they're a bit rubbish [5256.28] NJ: um [5257.16] NJ: And as soon as they bought the m9s out that's that was a real night and day difference [5263.08] NJ: Tension them nicely and they the extra resolution feels really good to me [5268.12] NJ: Um, so yeah, I couldn't go back to the stock gimbals [5271.72] Andy: You see this is what's interesting to me about reviewers and stuff like that because i've had the [5277.64] Andy: M9 gimbals now, I think two or three months and i'm so close to switching back to the stock [5284.28] NJ: Really? Yes, and is that is that a feel thing or a precision thing? [5290.04] Andy: I I just can't I can't [5292.68] Andy: Put put the nail on it what it is [5294.2] Andy: But i'm just not enjoying flying with these gimbals as much as the stock [5299.32] Andy: I don't know if it's because I flown so much on the [5302.58] Andy: Originals, but I don't know it just feels more now. I fly with a ratchet and I think [5308.28] Andy: Uh, you you guys probably aren't doing that [5310.68] Andy: I don't know. Yeah, I think I think it might be down to that because the ratchet on the [5316.52] Andy: Original toranis gimbals is very good and it's it's not overpowering [5321.16] Andy: But i've been finding it difficult to tune it on the m9. So i'm considering i'm probably the only person [5328.1] NJ: Considering switching back to the stock one. Wait, you could could do half and half. You could just have the throttle side [5335.16] Andy: The m9 would look even more dodgy than it already is [5340.36] NJ: I think the other the other bit I like [5343.24] NJ: The other bit I like is that is the centering, you know when you because of those whole sensors [5348.36] NJ: See, I still find movement. There's supposed to be no movement. Isn't have you calibrated them? [5353.4] Andy: Yeah, I don't know that you don't because my mind is rock solid. They really [5358.92] Andy: Mine still move maybe I got some dodgy ones [5362.68] Jack: Maybe I um, I do know what you mean. They feel different because they're a little taller [5370.04] Jack: The original ones and you can't get them to go as [5374.84] Jack: small [5376.04] NJ: See this is such a subjective thing, isn't it? [5378.6] NJ: But it's really interesting to talk about it because again another thing which I I mentioned [5383.32] NJ: I really like about the m9s [5385.64] NJ: Is the way the the way they kind of max out like as they hit the wall [5391.48] NJ: That kind of dampening that you get is because my rates when I do a fast flip [5395.56] NJ: I know that's that's consistent to that end. I know how many flips i'll get for the amount of seconds i'm doing it [5401.16] NJ: Yeah [5401.8] NJ: and that the way it feels as it as it maxes out against the wall of the [5406.84] NJ: The surround on the m9s just feels like it's hitting this perfectly cushioned suspension. It just feels awesome [5413.64] NJ: And when I do it with the old gimbals, it's just this nasty plasticky clunk noise and it just feels horrible to me [5420.2] NJ: But again, that's again. It's a subjective thing [5423.32] NJ: It's a personal preference, but it's funny how all these things [5426.84] NJ: uh [5428.12] NJ: Are different to different people? [5430.28] Jack: Sand down the grooves [5434.73] Jack: on on your um m9s if you want them down same [5440.33] Jack: And then sand down the new ones. Yeah, I I need to I need to play around with them [5445.53] Jack: Sand them down and then you can also buy some of that teflon [5451.53] Jack: On [5454.57] Jack: You get the RC cars [5457.93] Andy: And that one there it's kind of i'm so glad you said cars at the end of that [5463.53] Jack: Or just borrow some of [5466.97] NJ: An abnormally high, uh discussion of lube products on today. Yeah, we've covered at least three different [5475.29] Jack: Some commission [5480.73] Jack: I I corrected nj earlier. Who are you matt? Whatever? [5487.05] Jack: Can you put mods in time out? [5490.25] Jack: Just time out last does it matter? Oh, it's pointless. Anyway, oh you win this time [5498.41] Jack: Sorry [5500.86] NJ: Have you heard of tony hasn't come back? Oh, he's in the chat. Look [5505.5] Jack: He's swearing at his laptop [5508.22] Jack: He started he's not actually pissed off at clint clint are you gonna say anything you come on me don't say anything [5514.46] Clint: Can you hear me? I did say I was speaking. I was looking at the new fr sky x10s, which just looks amazing [5521.18] Clint: I got no what what's that? [5523.66] Clint: So the uh, the fr sky x10s, it looks a bit like the qx7 [5527.02] Clint: Seven but obviously sort of all bells and whistles and it looks really really nice [5531.9] Clint: Has like a carbon finish to it and a bigger screen [5534.62] Clint: Which I assume is touch screen [5536.62] NJ: But it's just which is kind of what the horrors was but then everyone well brit bruce slammed it and then [5542.62] NJ: Well, that's that's what it is [5546.06] NJ: Oh, right, okay. Yeah, yeah that that had issues though the horrors the gps [5552.28] NJ: problems and [5555.02] NJ: antenna problems with the diversity antenna in there which was causing range issues and [5561.1] NJ: Yeah, I think there was some there was some issues but it looks wicked it does [5566.46] NJ: I need one in my life [5568.14] Clint: Yeah, are they still super expensive have they dropped in price? [5571.58] Clint: I don't know. I'm on the actual [5573.26] Clint: So i'm on the actual fr sky website looking at it. I think I saw there about 300 dollars [5577.58] Clint: Uh that has come down then because i'm sure though [5581.42] Clint: I could be wrong [5583.18] Frank: I'll see if I could find somewhere to to have a look 340 on the first website [5588.06] Clint: I've found [5590.06] Clint: So, yeah [5592.46] Clint: What's that and smackels [5596.92] Frank: 3,400 ish [5599.18] UNKNOWN: How much [5601.18] Jack: That's a lot [5603.18] Frank: That is [5605.9] Frank: Only in what happened to the horrors [5608.14] Jack: Do I even bother doing anything with those anymore? [5611.5] Jack: Because they that that was the reason why [5614.14] Jack: Open tx 2.2 took so long [5618.24] Clint: So um the so on banggood, for example, the fr sky horace x10s is 325 pounds and the horace x10 [5626.32] Clint: Is 278 pounds? [5628.64] Clint: Wow [5629.44] NJ: Yeah, that's a that's a big old price drop [5631.6] Andy: I think I think the problem is is it sort of uh, you always look at fr sky or free sky, whatever you want to call it as a [5639.52] Andy: a budget brand so when you start going to like [5643.6] Andy: 300 pounds in sort of fitaba territory and and those higher levels and I think maybe [5649.76] Andy: Maybe that's why it's not working like the tyrannis [5653.12] Andy: It's I mean the trius isn't and cheap the x9 indeed [5656.32] Andy: But it's it's in that price range where it's not too low or too high and it's got all the features at the top [5662.56] Jack: Does anyone own a fitaba? Does anyone want to buy this off me? [5668.72] Jack: Well [5671.6] Jack: It's s bust [5674.72] Jack: And it may or may not have been in my mouth [5679.6] Andy: Well, that's where uh, isn't that where s bus came from fitaba and fr sky so [5686.72] Clint: So I thought it was from spectrum but I could be completely wrong i'm pretty sure [5692.8] Clint: Spectrum anyway, yeah me and spectrum don't mix [5695.84] Clint: Um, I mean a lot of things don't mix but specifically spectrum I seem to have a real bad sort of [5703.04] Clint: Running with those [5704.4] Andy: It seems that the clubs if you ever go to a club that are flying line of sight planes rather than fpv there [5710.96] Andy: Using all spectrum and all fitaba stuff that fr sky is pretty much [5715.84] Andy: like [5717.12] Andy: For fpv stuff i'm finding this sort of like a bit of a divide there [5720.96] NJ: So [5722.96] NJ: It's so flexible though, isn't it? Uh, the fr sky stuff you can get it to do anything and the logical switches [5730.0] NJ: It's so brilliant what you can you're kind of only limited by [5734.4] NJ: Your imagination when it comes to what you can get that uh, transmitter to do but yeah, it's just [5740.64] Jack: The hard way because open tx is awful. Sorry. Open tx is brilliant [5746.16] Clint: I'll have nothing bad instead of an open tx. It's the confidence in it as well though, isn't it? [5749.84] Clint: I mean fr sky just seems to work. The range is good. The penetration is good [5755.52] Clint: And uh, it just does exactly what it should do. Whereas, you know, there are some transmitters out there which are terrible [5762.0] Andy: Yes, there are no it's it's it's great. I think I think fr sky receivers sort of [5768.56] Andy: They they they more suit quadcopters because of the the single [5772.72] Andy: S bus input as well rather than having the individual [5776.24] Andy: When I was building a little 3d plane, I was struggling because I wanted to use my tyrannis [5780.64] Andy: But i was struggling to find a receiver that had more than four channels that was [5785.6] Andy: Uh that was small enough to fit on a plane [5788.88] Andy: like other than the x4 r you then have to go quite big to get more channels like the [5794.72] Andy: The atax are is it cool and the x and the and the six as well [5798.48] Andy: They're quite chunky to put on a little lightweight plane [5801.44] Andy: So maybe it's maybe that's why as well that it more sort of favors the quadcopter world [5806.0] NJ: It's something that took spectrum quite a long time actually to come around to to kind of realizing that the quadcopter thing was was [5813.36] NJ: Pretty damn big and they need to make some more receivers that are focused towards uh fitting in quads [5818.4] NJ: whereas fr sky just steamed in there and [5821.04] NJ: Continue to make ones straight away for ultra lights like the xm and now you're getting ones that small with telemetry. So [5828.64] NJ: I will say i'll give my buddy there in the comments. Uh [5833.6] NJ: Blood's fpv a little plug because he made for me [5837.2] NJ: You see these custom plates with my logo on them. Wow. Nice around which look pretty cool. I'll see [5844.56] NJ: Yeah bloods mate. They're actually an aluminium sheet and with a print on so they're really nice quality [5850.8] NJ: but um, yeah, if you go over to his [5853.44] NJ: Uh website he uh, i'll have to blood so you'll have to put a uh link in the chat for people [5859.84] NJ: um, but yeah, he he can do those with your custom logo and [5864.24] Tony: And uh stick those on as you haven't got a stand on the back of that in jay [5869.52] NJ: No, I will get one with that new crossfire going in there. Um [5874.96] NJ: That's probably not such a bad idea. Where do you get those from because I was going to look in like fast lad the [5880.96] Tony: Mine from jack's room [5885.92] Tony: I think he got it from mobbie king. He was like 10 quid or something like that [5890.8] Tony: They're just like uh, just a clamp that you just pull out and put [5894.64] Tony: I love I love the fact that I can put my controller down and it stands up every time without getting dirty and wet and horrible [5902.32] NJ: Yeah, I definitely need to get one of those. That's a really good point [5905.12] NJ: So [5910.0] Tony: I stole it off jack. Sorry jack. My god. We've done another two hour show [5918.17] Tony: Yeah, it's gone quit it's andy comes on and we all love it and we stay on for two hours [5925.85] Tony: Because I taught nonsense most of the time I think we love your videos and we love you having you on here [5931.05] Tony: It's great. Thanks very much. Yeah [5936.36] NJ: Fab well on that [5939.48] Andy: Are you and jack gonna make up before we click because I kind of feel like there's [5944.92] Andy: I almost feel felt like halfway through there. It was the end. We were watching the end of the podcast, right? [5952.28] Jack: Sorry, I was coughing. Um frank has lovely lee been working on let's drone out badges [5960.04] Jack: Wow, you know, that's beautiful [5963.0] Jack: So [5964.04] Jack: All the ones which are small and this will be about three pound or four [5970.36] Jack: And these will be how much frank? [5973.8] Frank: No, it's six pounds for the bigger ones three pounds for the smaller ones [5977.96] Jack: Yeah, they're really cool [5980.6] Andy: That's only stainless steel [5985.92] Andy: Where can we get them from? [5987.92] Frank: They'll be up on the facebook page in a bit [5990.16] Tony: You want t-shirts still don't you I think we're gonna have to go into hoodies now because it's getting [5995.04] Andy: Cold and dark proper cold, isn't it? Yeah [5998.32] NJ: All right, the hoodie would be cool. I don't know a lot of hoodies mitts. Can we get let's turn out mitts? [6006.24] NJ: I'm gonna [6007.6] Tony: I'm gonna swap the t-shirts. I was gonna try to do to to [6012.4] Tony: To hoodies. I need to talk to frank about it [6016.16] Tony: Uh, not andry because frank's better at the hoodies [6019.92] Andy: Andry's good at the I love the hoodie probably because i'm northern [6024.32] Andy: There you go. Let's see [6026.96] Jack: I thought northerners were impenetrable to the cold. I thought they wore t-shirts in the winter [6033.52] Andy: Yeah, but this this is so that no one can recognize us when we're rubbing them [6038.4] Jack: Oh [6043.44] Jack: Right, uh, you've been listening to another marathon show I promise it won't happen next week [6050.48] Jack: um [6051.84] Jack: And some really interesting stuff and you guys done really well [6055.36] Jack: plus, uh when we were going to finish it, uh [6060.48] Jack: Uh clint came back enter us [6064.24] Jack: Whatever so, uh, he made a little return and then we also had to hang on to find out whether tony was being a diva or not [6073.92] Tony: I got abducted by aliens up in the way for like 10 hours [6078.32] Jack: They want to they want to shit that bad [6081.68] Jack: Yeah [6083.92] Jack: I hope they got right in there. Um [6088.08] Jack: And uh, yeah, so you've been listening to that show now i'm really sorry andy. I see this is you might as well not [6094.16] Jack: I'll go to sleep now because it's tomorrow [6097.28] Jack: No, that's fine [6098.88] Jack: Okay, uh, you've been joined by frank who's making lovely badges [6103.84] Jack: So long please buy badges from frank [6106.72] Jack: Because well, so if you don't don't like publicly announcing that you listen to lecture now, which we fully understand [6113.2] Jack: You could use the mr. Fridge magnet [6115.68] Jack: um [6116.72] Andy: You look like renor from red dwarf with a h [6125.48] Tony: I was going to say he's got magical powers or something [6129.24] Jack: um [6131.48] Jack: Yep, uh, so we've been joined by frank [6136.68] Jack: uh [6137.96] Jack: Andy rc is a pleasure [6139.96] Andy: Hello [6141.08] Jack: Bye. Bye even you're lost and you're higher [6143.96] Jack: Uh, good to see that you're still alive [6152.92] Tony: It's clean. That was just like hello [6156.12] Tony: Hi [6158.04] Jack: No, uh nj tech [6160.68] NJ: Take care guys. Good. Uh, good questions and comments and good to see everyone in the uh in the comments section [6167.0] Jack: Chatting lots tonight. So yeah, great. See you next week. The diva tony. I see jack [6172.6] Jack: Who you know far too much about thanks to tony [6176.2] UNKNOWN: Thank you and good night