=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 108 === Title: LDO EP 108- The one when everyone turned up!!! Recorded: 2017-09-21 Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andy Guest(s): Carlos 'Carlito' Costa, David "RCExplorer" Windestål, Mel Pengelly, Paul Bitmatta, Thomas Bitmatta Total audience: 2,665 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utAbLiEB70o); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/379135979-letsdroneout-ldo-ep-108-the-one-when-everyone-turned-up.m4a) ===================================== Everyone Turned up tonight... David Windestal: youtube.com/user/dadde87 Paul Bitmatta: youtube.com/user/BMSWEB Andy RC: youtube.com/user/TheAndyRC The Carlito Show: youtube.com/channel/UCXnfv8UBFvpsDYv1wGD5WYQ Tonstar1: youtube.com/user/TheTonstar1 NJ Tech: youtube.com/user/neiljonesguitar Brightotillifly: youtube.com/user/brightontillifly Zero Links : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF8Z... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKE_... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC16h... https://www.banggood.com/WLtoys-V930-... https://rcexplorer.se/forums/topic/wo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b14_X... https://youtu.be/77uK19KxMuI?t=101 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvIXJ... [0.69] Thomas: Let's drone out [2.93] Jack: Hello, and welcome to let's run out tonight. We are joined by Frank [13.28] Tony: iris [15.28] Jack: Frank always yay, and he will be playing back a [20.16] Jack: video from [22.0] Tony: Mal from June crusaders because what I because yeah, they couldn't come on this evening unfortunately because they had [30.56] Tony: Work that they had to do this evening [32.88] Tony: Which that came up at the last minute so they were hoping to come on and talk about it themselves and be part of the chat [38.2] Tony: Unfortunately, no could do the last minute [41.12] Tony: So I had to record a phone conversation and edit that over the past hour to get it ready [47.52] Andy: So I could play it. It's all gone crazy. Oh [50.52] Jack: Yeah, I'd just like to point out that someone did something [54.96] Jack: I don't think [56.32] Jack: Midweek for the show like I just extra cook activities. So Andrew you get a gold star [64.72] Tony: hooray [66.0] Jack: God stuff [67.2] Jack: Uh, we're joined by Andy. I'll see our Jay replacement [71.12] Jack: Uh there later on we'll be a straw poll to see whether you prefer him or we can get Jay back [76.16] Jack: Uh, we're also joined by Daniel, but you'll never see him [80.24] Jack: Because he's running let's grown out. That's why there's two let's turn out [83.84] Jack: Uh njo. Hello [86.16] Jack: Uh, he was recently this week reviewing the TBS crossfire. So we can't wait to hear all about that [94.08] Jack: And his lovely transmitter [96.24] Jack: indeedy [97.6] Jack: Uh the horse like person who's chewing like a horse [101.92] Jack: and you know [104.8] Jack: We were desperate for guests and uh [107.6] Jack: Someone someone like left the gate open and and he wandered in [112.64] Jack: Uh, just as he eats more so he can't actually say hello. Carlito [123.28] NJ: Thanks, how are you I understand every word of that [126.4] Jack: Who let him on and um, good news bad news, uh, tony's here [132.72] Mel Pengelly: Tony [133.68] Jack: The good news of the bad news the good news was tony was in hospital bad news not for him [139.6] Jack: It was his dad [141.44] Tony: Yep, hopefully he's gonna make a full recovery a broken fema [145.92] Tony: Not really good waiting for an ambulance for two hours [151.2] Jack: Yeah, not good i'm gonna start with a bone crusher from now on you know, like the guy from bottom [158.56] Jack: Because you've broken your dog's legs and you're old man [163.44] Jack: like so [164.64] Jack: I don't know what's with you mate, but you [167.2] Tony: Did it did I? [169.44] Jack: Like i'm scared to be around you this is why i don't hang out with you anymore [174.64] Tony: I drove from um [177.04] Tony: Crawley to edenbridge in under 15 minutes [180.8] Jack: Don't grow that [182.56] Jack: It's recorded you're accountable. Tony i'm gonna have to sit you down [186.4] Jack: Stop giving medical and private details and not incriminating evidence. Oh my god [193.76] Jack: Oh, no, you didn't you may have you drank that. Isn't that right tony? [199.2] Jack: I might have dreamt it or yeah, you may have yeah totally you're driving while you're driving [205.92] Jack: No, i would possibly [208.56] Jack: Drive to edenbridge in 15 minutes even safe and careful manner. What if they've got a really fast car though? [216.48] Jack: Uh, tony doesn't tony only owns a van then yeah, he definitely doesn't like honders [223.28] Jack: All unicorns, but probably the the drinking help [227.36] Jack: You can't [230.88] Jack: This is why I didn't want carly o on it just gets worse [235.04] Tony: like anyway, um [237.04] Tony: I want to say I love you dad to see you soon get well soon [240.64] Jack: And um, I I still hate you for making tony [246.4] Jack: I don't think wine would come out of his nose, but [251.36] Tony: And we've got to say thank you to andy i'll see you um promoted our channel as well, you know [256.8] Jack: Yeah, I know i was reading all the lovely comments [260.4] Jack: Great. Yeah, well i'm promoting the channel to you bastards [265.68] Tony: There's a fight in the chat [268.88] Tony: Have you come from the andy rc channel or have you come from the carlita shade? [273.6] Tony: Well at least at least two views [275.92] Tony: Post in the chat, you know [277.6] Tony: Well, thank you both. I didn't realize carlito that you promoted us to [281.76] Tony: Thank you very much [283.28] Jack: Yeah, you finished being casey nice that were your camera and your board. I just I just like share the post [290.16] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I don't know if that's promoting but yeah, uh, no casey nice that no, I still have my board. Actually. It's charging right now [296.08] Andy: Because I usually post carlita's you can share a community post [300.88] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I try to post I don't like that's promoting or whatever. Yeah, it is promoting [305.2] Andy: I can't do that. I was trying to figure out how to do that, but I think yeah, i've got a certain account to do it [310.8] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Now there's a little button that says share [314.08] Tony: Oh, I see. Let's give a shout out to our listeners. Shall we quickly there's zero as ever [319.28] Tony: Adam [320.96] Tony: mr [322.24] Tony: mikey [323.76] Tony: Uh homegrown drone davey boy [327.2] Tony: Who else we got in the chat? John the hollers [331.68] Tony: I'm just flicking fast through these [335.68] Tony: Letting know thanks for joining us [339.12] Tony: I like giving a shout out to our regular sort of davey boy and the guys [343.36] Jack: Zero pv. I've got a hammer in case tony comes at me at all times. I like my legs [350.64] Tony: um [356.11] Tony: I can't imagine that [358.51] Tony: Anyone if they've been on the uk fpv team, which assuming that they're watching this they probably are [364.75] Tony: um [366.11] Tony: But they don't know carlos [368.51] Tony: Just because I can't think of it of a an event [372.75] Jack: Where you haven't been there. Yeah, especially with this pervert army wagon for looking up girl skirts [381.07] Jack: Oh, yeah [385.39] Andy: Do we need a bit of context there because you might need some context that's it's exactly what it sounds like [392.11] Jack: Yeah, I don't know what more you can do is exactly as it's written on there [397.23] Jack: I'm moving on there. I dare you to put the number of waiters pervert wagon. I dare you because that was [404.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It's amazing basically, uh, uh candy it's like a little um [410.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: One by ten, uh little truck that I have like a crawler [414.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: and I set like a uh, not a gimbal like a 3d type of gimbal on top that um [421.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I can basically move all the way around so i'm driving [424.67] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And on top mounted on the uh, there's a little uh soldier guy [429.07] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: On the driver's seat and his head is basically like a 3d gimbal [434.51] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: in 3d [435.95] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: but the actual the actual um [438.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: fpv camera is in 3d so you get to go around and and explore stuff in 3ds, it's super amazing like a stalky google [446.51] Andy: street view but live [448.59] Andy: Yeah, yeah, but live the the people's faces aren't blurred out. You can see them. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's amazing [455.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: like I use this on um [456.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Was a summer spawn where uh jack tormented me have to have the time but uh, always and I got you [464.03] Jack: Um, what do you call it as well? Uh [467.23] Jack: Uh, where did we go andy? I'll see western park. Yeah that place western park. Yeah, don't get out [473.95] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Um [475.31] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, it's super nice though. Like you can see everything in 3d [478.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So when you have like a little dog coming at you [481.31] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: You can you can see the definition of this is while you're driving. You can see it [485.95] Andy: Yeah, while we're driving. So it's fpv [488.03] Jack: But if you've got the pervert wagon, can you just go and grab it? Wait, no, it's uh, it's upstairs [493.31] Andy: Oh, right. Okay. So i'm I was I was sat here thinking this is a [498.43] Andy: a real wagon [501.39] Andy: I [505.15] Andy: Think this guy's driving his car with fpv [514.03] Tony: Oh my god, yeah, so that was quite [517.55] Tony: That's been quite hard to do that. Oh, yeah i've done it once. Um [522.59] Tony: not like that, but I was [525.23] Tony: Going down him path and I was in the seat with bradders and someone was driving a van and we were flying while he was driving [533.31] Tony: And it was oh my god when I got out. I just wanted to chuck up. Yeah motion sickness. Yeah [539.31] Jack: Have you ever seen um tony you won't appreciate this but like back in the 60s [544.27] Jack: They did experiments with cats on lsd and I can only describe as you coming out of that van [550.83] Jack: You look like that [552.59] Tony: It was horrible. It was [554.99] Jack: Hang on. I might I might load that video up. Hang on [559.31] Jack: I know [560.35] Jack: I don't agree with it. It's animal cruelty, but [563.87] Tony: You load the video of me nearly throwing up out of the van [569.79] Andy: Yeah, that'd have been better [571.87] NJ: I didn't think of getting the camera out like really [575.47] NJ: Was it I think I thought it was um, I thought it was spiders [579.23] NJ: Wasn't there a spider test as well? The spiders all did really interesting like the one [583.87] NJ: Yeah, and they did a really crazy web shape and the one on cannabis just got sat there and did nothing [589.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Of course not paste. There you go. That's that's like, uh, that's a spoof like, uh spiders on [596.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: alcohol and cocaine [600.83] Andy: I think you should lecture everyone now because of all this animal cruelty that's going on [606.11] Jack: There in fpv it's it's that oh my god [610.35] Jack: That's the room is tony, right? [612.43] Jack: He doesn't know where the floor begins or ends or [616.67] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It's just a winter. That's that's a cat in a winter moment [619.55] Tony: That's [620.43] Tony: And so that's just that's just horrible. Yeah with more vomit [624.67] Tony: I didn't do it. I didn't know [627.79] Tony: The morning you'd take it off immediately [629.95] Jack: This office is horrible [632.91] Tony: Let me let me try to make you like horrible people [636.83] Tony: so, uh to all the new listeners that [648.91] Andy: We do talk about drones at some point don't we rather than [652.83] Jack: Ask enjoy he's really good at that [656.43] NJ: Well when you're ready we can we can talk a little bit about crossfire stuff definitely [661.63] NJ: No, go for it now. You want to do that now? Okay. So well what I did I didn't [668.03] NJ: I'm in i'm in the process of of doing a review on the crossfire because [671.71] NJ: It's an interesting one [672.67] NJ: I've had to pull information from several sources to get [676.43] NJ: A kind of one place where all the information is is good and correct because there's some great information out there [682.03] NJ: And there's some very misleading information out there and I actually had a kind of a bit of a chat today [688.03] NJ: With trappy which was great to actually get a little bit of a conversation going about [693.15] NJ: Dipole antennas, which sounds super boring, but stick with me. It is quite interesting. Uh more importantly about [700.91] NJ: this guy so [702.91] NJ: If you can see here [704.67] NJ: This is the immortal antenna. You see that mounted there? [709.63] NJ: This is a dipole antenna in a standard dipole configuration [714.13] NJ: Now when this is in polarization with your transmitter [718.45] NJ: so if your transmitter is flat across and you fly your drone out and [723.57] NJ: This is also in the same polarization. So flat across the two of them both parallel to each other [729.09] NJ: You get absolutely incredible range. I mean with with this system with the TBS system [733.33] NJ: Anyway, this crossfire the range is just phenomenal anyway, so don't think of it in terms of [738.85] NJ: uh, even comparable to [740.93] NJ: FR sky range on standard 2.4. It's not we're down at you know [745.65] NJ: eight [746.61] NJ: six eight [747.81] NJ: Hertz here, I think so we're much lower range our wave length [752.61] NJ: And if those are in polarization [755.01] NJ: The range is is is colossal the problem comes and this is kind of a well-known thing [759.65] NJ: Anyway is when you go sideways like this and the antenna is pointing straight at the transmission source [765.73] NJ: And at that point when it's pointing you've got that real kind of uh dropping gain [772.29] NJ: Now what's interesting is for the bit that I found interesting anyway is that with a dipole antenna [777.09] NJ: We're not talking about two monopoles in diversity. We're talking about a single dipole. You can actually [784.05] NJ: Put this at 90 degrees. You can put one of the nodes at 90 degrees to the other [789.65] NJ: Now what that will do will actually reduce the range compared to being in polarization [795.49] NJ: So flat this way and transmit a flat that way [799.49] NJ: um, what that will actually do is reduce the range from there, but it won't be as bad as [804.53] NJ: The range with this pointing straight at it [807.41] NJ: So despite everyone thinking these are fantastic, which they are if they're in polarization [813.09] NJ: On a quadcopter. It's actually better to get a standard [816.53] NJ: dipole antenna [818.69] NJ: And bend it into a into a v shape [821.57] NJ: And then maybe have one going up out the back and then one coming uh straight out the back flat [826.45] NJ: So that was an interesting conversation because that changed my opinion or certainly my understanding of of how a dipole can work [833.17] NJ: I didn't realize a dipole could actually work in v configuration [837.89] NJ: So that was interesting. But yeah, if you're on a quadcopter with crossfire [843.25] NJ: um, I would [845.01] NJ: Not necessarily recommend using the immortal antenna and we actually had a bit of a joke about I said well, can you release? [851.97] NJ: a [852.45] NJ: An immortal l antenna like this to which she replied do you mean an immortal? [858.85] NJ: um, so [860.21] NJ: I think there's every chance that you might release a new antenna more more focused on quadcopters [866.21] NJ: But yeah, there's my tbs story. So um, so far the range has been incredible really really good system [873.01] NJ: And even with it set up like that on the immortal antenna a long way out [877.49] NJ: Reception was just phenomenal up in the 90s even when I was you know, two kilometers plus out [883.33] NJ: So it's very consistent how loss you've been flying crossfire for quite a while, haven't you? Yep [892.37] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, so I changed to crossfire specifically for racing [896.21] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, I noticed that with my fr sky when I was racing. I don't know [900.85] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So if I would race in [905.73] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Like a regular condition just for training with my mates in the out in the [911.89] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: in our racing field [914.05] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Everything will be fine as soon as I would get to a race [917.09] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I would notice that the quad was like a you know shimming sometimes as it felt like the signal was going out [923.89] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And I think this might be because [926.05] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: number one I use [928.69] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, let me actually get a quads and i'll show you [932.21] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: My antennas in all my quads so I don't smash them are all in the arms [939.01] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah [941.41] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: But that obviously causes the signal propagation to be less because it's like tied to the carbon frame [949.09] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It's separated. Obviously, it's not touching the carbon pipe, but it's separated [953.89] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: But it's still it's too close for the signal propagation to be [960.77] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And I think that plus the saturation of fr sky [966.53] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: On races causes some glitches on the races [970.77] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I don't know if I was the only one noticing this but as soon as I transited [976.05] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: to crossfire [978.13] NJ: Gone smooth smooth sailing. I was actually chatting to uh, uh, paul bitmata about this [985.01] NJ: Um, sometimes he's on here. I don't know if you might make an appearance at some point tonight [989.17] NJ: But um, he was saying that they uh him because obviously thomas was out [993.33] NJ: Has been doing all these races out in australia and and just obviously doing phenomenally well [998.77] NJ: um, but they've just switched to crossfire because they were having problems and uh, not only is he reported that [1006.13] NJ: Immediately all the problems were gone and they've had a bulletproof signal, but also [1010.13] NJ: That he's really noticed the latency improvement. Um, which i've got to say I have as well [1016.45] NJ: Um that it does does feel feel that little bit sharper a little bit more responsive. So [1021.73] NJ: It's all positives. I just I just wish the receivers were a little cheaper, but I hear they're coming down [1028.21] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: There's one negative though. I don't know if you noticed if you've been with it long enough, but the crossfire depending on how many [1034.53] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: milli millihertz [1037.81] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Milliwatts milliwatts. Yes, how many milliwatts is outputting will severely drain your [1044.61] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: transmitter [1045.73] Tony: What the battery you mean? Yeah [1049.17] NJ: I'd honestly suggest people run at 25 milliwatts because I mean even at 25 milliwatts in clean line of sight you're still talking like [1057.25] NJ: 15 kilometers of range. So [1059.81] NJ: I I don't think even with obstacles 25 plenty for that reason. That's a great reason to stay on the lower [1067.09] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: it depends on how you mount your antenna and how you um [1070.29] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And how and where you fly because if I had it at 25 milliwatts and I noticed like in my in my flying field [1077.97] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: There's a lot of grounds that I can use for training. So I I sit [1082.69] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: In in front of a forest basically that has like a huge path like [1087.73] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: 50 meters behind trees [1090.37] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So I can I I try to use the crossfire [1093.97] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: With the antennas in the arms as I use with all my quads and with 25 milliwatts [1098.29] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: like if I was going behind the [1102.29] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: um [1103.65] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: All those trees the signal would cut out [1107.09] NJ: Interesting. Well, I think I I mean personally, I think some of that is definitely going to be down to the reflection from the carbon [1113.57] NJ: Um, so i'd definitely try and get the antennas out in clean air [1117.33] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, but I just up the milliwatts like to 100 [1121.33] NJ: And yeah muscle through the situation [1124.85] Jack: Yeah [1125.97] Jack: That's jeremy clarkson, isn't it power? [1130.05] Tony: So, um, do you have to set the uh rssi [1134.93] Tony: via the lewis grip [1137.73] NJ: Um what you do if you want rssi in the osd is you set the uh, you set channel 12 to lq which is link quality [1146.29] NJ: Um not actually to rssi and then that will will give you an input back on channel 12 [1151.97] NJ: Which you can configure in base flight and say it's coming down channel 12 and then you'll get that in euro [1157.01] NJ: in [1159.09] Tony: Can you do that with if you haven't got a um a flight controller because i've got crossfire on my wing [1165.33] Tony: And I want it to shout out through my tyrannis [1168.93] Tony: every 30 seconds the rssi or the link quality [1174.37] NJ: Uh, I don't think why not i'm what I would do is set it to you know [1178.13] NJ: The momentary switch on the tyrannis in the top right hand corner [1182.29] NJ: I think that's what steel does actually. Yeah, just [1186.45] NJ: It'll give you a readout yeah i'll um [1189.49] NJ: Yeah, I can I can work out how to do that for you tony and i'll give you the logical switch. Um inputs for that [1195.17] Jack: Isn't it just play value? [1198.61] Tony: Because i've got one working play value rssi, but I think it [1203.73] NJ: Wrong. I think I need to I think that the problem is now is because of this micro bundle with the module [1209.73] NJ: Being kind of in this territory where it's now quite affordable and such a great system [1214.53] NJ: And this is now going to I think this is starting to boom and more people are going to switch over to it [1219.89] NJ: I think um [1222.61] NJ: I think you're going to have this problem where people are just uh [1227.01] NJ: They're now suddenly demanding from all the flight controlled software developers features that that are they're all kind of racing to get these features sorted out [1235.09] NJ: I mean base flights right on top of it that accepts that [1238.45] NJ: Accepts the crossfire protocol. No problem at all [1240.93] NJ: Race from race flight or a little behind i've i've not put it on a race flight build yet because that in the latest beta [1247.25] NJ: You can uh, not the one on the page, but there's actually a beta group called quote [1252.05] NJ: You can it will now understand crossfire [1255.49] NJ: Protocol, but what it won't do is work with the telemetry for crossfire [1259.65] NJ: And at the minute the problem i see in base flight actually is that if you've got the telemetry working [1264.53] NJ: That when you have lq so for the rss size of the osd [1268.37] NJ: One of the issues that you have is that it's not [1271.41] NJ: For me, it's not scaling correctly. Um, so it's scaling between like if you turn the transmitter offline quality goes down to 30% [1279.09] NJ: And then I thought well that can't be the noise floor [1281.01] NJ: It's got to be lower than that. Um, and then i've been told since apparently if you don't have telemetry running [1286.77] NJ: That will then scale properly across the whole 100 [1290.13] NJ: So I think there's some bugs and bits to work out [1291.97] NJ: But I think developers developers are getting more active in sorting this stuff out because people are moving over to we've got david in the chat [1300.29] Andy: Rocket man [1303.25] Andy: Sorry to interrupt [1305.89] Andy: That's a news flash [1308.93] Tony: Man he's actually jim jon king or whatever his bloody name from north korea [1314.87] Tony: It's rocket. Yes. Yes [1318.71] Tony: Rocket man David, uh rocket man [1324.55] Andy: Golly to us colleagues can i ask this? [1327.83] Andy: The tbs crossfire has everyone pretty much because you go to the races quite a lot. Yeah, has everyone [1334.23] Andy: Moved over to it. No, no [1336.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: No [1337.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Everyone's running. Yeah fr sky [1341.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: and [1343.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Sorry, what's the regular? [1345.51] Andy: Right. So they have a lot of problems with dropouts and stuff then I guess like I haven't seen people with dropouts [1351.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: But I don't know they may maybe just carry through or maybe they put the I guess that I was having the dropouts [1357.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Just because how I put my antennas because I don't want first I just [1361.27] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Take all my quads shove it in the backpack [1363.51] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So I don't like things sticking out. All my antennas are like strategically [1368.53] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Position so I can smash it into the ground or just shove it into the backpack [1373.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And nothing's gonna happen and people most of the time have have stuff like this like the antenna on top [1378.55] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So that's that's not gonna fit. Yeah [1381.43] Andy: In a bag. Did you go to the castle event at the weekend? [1386.15] Andy: Yeah, I told you about it [1388.63] Andy: Yeah, you said no one here [1390.63] Andy: Keep talking [1393.51] Andy: Yeah, I know I didn't hear I didn't hear that bit [1395.99] Tony: I didn't need to tell us about it carlos because we're live now and when we were chatting before it wasn't live [1401.91] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah [1404.55] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Tell us go jack doesn't want to jack once once no [1409.67] Jack: I was pretending like i've never heard [1413.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Oh the castle what is that? [1420.63] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Please tell me more what is the castle? Yeah [1426.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Was that was built by people back in the day [1431.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, and then they used it to store stuff. I don't really know [1434.55] Jack: anyways [1437.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: They have the what now currently [1442.79] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: They store those probably they store those in the back and it didn't really, you know cover that in the briefing [1447.91] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: but anyways [1449.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: the castle, uh events [1452.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: As you uh, so mildly put it it's actually called the crusader crusader, uh something something [1459.67] Andy: Brazilian's event drone crusaders, I believe I wasn't there [1465.11] Tony: Wasn't there and he knows what he'll know more about it [1468.95] Tony: I mean [1474.39] Jack: I don't know what's going on. Right, you know burn everything. That's it. I've had enough [1480.39] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: right [1483.35] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: The event [1485.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: it was it was [1487.19] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Really well done. We had an absolute. Uh, we were we were very very lucky because the weather was absolutely [1494.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Perfect ish most of the times when I say perfect. I mean [1498.55] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: There was sun during one day and then the other day it didn't rain [1502.95] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That much like rain for 15 minutes or something. No considering you're in wales [1508.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I think that that qualifies as perfect weather it does [1511.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That did you enjoy any shape? [1514.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: No, uh, no sadly sadly the ship were all taken by the locals [1522.31] Andy: You missed out there I thought it was in liverpool not wales [1526.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Maybe i'm wrong. It's not easy class. No, it was uh, it was it was like a stone's throw away from snow then [1533.03] Andy: Oh really? Okay. Yeah [1535.27] Andy: Yeah, well it looked great from the videos. I saw I saw a video of was it you with a wing dive in it [1541.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That looked pretty impressive. That's not a wing. Actually. It's a mini mini talon. All right [1546.39] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And that was the maiden of the mini talon [1551.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, um, I mean race wise so uh, they set a couple of gates in the um in in windows and the [1561.02] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, you know the balustes of the of the castle [1564.14] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Um, and you had to fly through those gates [1568.06] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, it had to fly through those gates then avoid [1571.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Smashing into the concrete [1573.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Which proved hard for some people so a couple of people [1579.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Broke their quads to bits [1581.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Um, and there were even some uh, some [1584.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Parts of the course that if your drone would fall [1587.35] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Into um into a hole you wouldn't get it back [1591.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, but luckily no one no one lost their uh, no one lost it [1593.91] Jack: I thought richard wheeland and a couple of the other guys got stuck a bit now to call [1599.35] Jack: someone out [1600.87] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, yeah, so, uh, we were lucky because we just like smashed into [1607.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I think a couple of windows. There was a closed off area, but it was [1612.31] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Easy ish to get the drone out. But yeah, it was amazing. It was um, [1617.67] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Everyone did did did great a lot of people didn't turn up [1621.25] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Unfortunately, but quite annoying I guess because of the weather [1626.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, and and and it's also like four and a half hours away from london [1632.31] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, this is far didn't help [1634.79] Andy: Were there any uh big name people there like races that we might know of and stuff? Yeah, carlito was there [1644.71] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: No, actually no, uh, it was the same I had I have to admit I I was kind of like, uh [1651.27] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: uh [1652.63] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Goating myself into oh, this is gonna be easy. I'm gonna take the win [1656.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: and then I uh [1657.91] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: f'd up [1659.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And I didn't go through the semifinals [1662.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It was gutted gutted. It was there was two guys. They were they were [1666.39] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Very very fast. Well a couple of guys like four [1669.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Ish guys that were they were quite fast and uh, I was in between those those four and the uh, the fastest guy [1676.63] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Which was a guy that came from germany [1679.27] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: For the event. I don't know if it came on purpose or it was just on the on the immediate area [1684.39] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And he managed to make it to the event but him and myself [1688.47] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: we [1689.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: smashed our quads into uh into the castle on the [1693.41] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: semifinals which was uh [1695.35] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Not good. Yeah, the castle [1698.79] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: unlucky [1699.99] Andy: Was there a prize for winning or anything or is it just like a friend? [1704.07] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: No, no, no, there was a there was a couple of prizes like a little trophy [1708.07] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: in the shape of a castle [1711.99] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: For the first the second and the third oh and more uh, I forgot a couple of things as well [1716.31] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Like during the race during some segments of the race. They actually put remote controls [1721.99] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: um [1723.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: detonating smoke bombs [1727.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: All of a sudden like smoke blue smoke bombs would burst out and then on the finals what they did [1732.79] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Is that on the final gates? Uh, I think it was the final gate. They put a couple of like, um, you know [1738.29] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: sprinklers [1739.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: fire sprinklers [1741.59] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, so as you're completing the laps it was like [1744.95] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Wow, it was it was cool. It didn't really matter the the sun was the the thing that was taking out most pilots [1751.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Because at some points during the course the sun was low on top of the trees [1755.51] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah [1755.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And you were going through a segment of the course [1757.99] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And you literally couldn't see and you had to go through like a tiny little window [1762.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: About the size of my screen and you literally couldn't see [1765.75] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: where you were going so it was like [1767.99] Tony: Shut your eyes time. Yeah [1771.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I think [1773.11] Andy: I think I saw I saw a video of a quad with a smoke thing on it. I think yeah [1779.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I have I have tons of video to release. I just don't have time to edit but [1783.67] Tony: We did like uh anyone who who's a bit confused. Yes. Carlos is in the shirt because usually it's like [1791.75] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Is [1797.03] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I took my cape as well. Yeah, I took my crusader cape to the event because obviously I wanted to you know [1803.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: match the [1805.59] Andy: Make an impression. Yeah [1811.51] Jack: The nationals because it's october [1815.51] Jack: Yeah, like crazy jumpsuit nationals hot over halloween [1821.43] Jack: I'll I'll think about it [1824.79] Tony: Are you going to the british championships because I think you're you're an invite aren't you? [1830.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Me to the web. Yeah [1832.71] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: You you you to the british championships. Oh, yeah, I think so. Yes. I'm not on on [1839.83] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Borderline six or something, but it was uh, it was I was a bit upset with this [1846.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Results because they're people that [1850.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh may not race as fast as me, but they're more consistent in the values that they have during the races [1858.87] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And they get pumped off. I I just did one race [1862.63] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And I ended up in 12th place on the qualifiers [1865.99] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And I get to race at the british [1869.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Nationals and and these people don't I don't know what how kind of [1874.45] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Algorithms they use to qualify people but uh, it's a bit of a fun [1879.59] Tony: Before we get too far off of the drone crusaders event [1883.51] Tony: I'm just going to take a couple of minutes to play because we were hoping to have uh, someone from the drone crusaders on [1889.43] Tony: And talk all about it. They couldn't make it. So we've got pre-recorded little [1894.63] Tony: Little bit and i'll try and get that play in just a second [1902.39] Mel Pengelly: My name is mela pengelly. I'm the owner of drone crusaders. Um, and the weekend just passed [1908.07] Mel Pengelly: Uh, we launched drone crusaders at grudge castle in north wales [1911.91] Mel Pengelly: Uh, which was an amazing success on my team. I've got temmes pep thomas paren, uh of 1080 aerial [1918.31] Mel Pengelly: Um, i've got john hall [1920.87] Mel Pengelly: currently at dsk [1922.55] Mel Pengelly: Um, and then we've got simon parker, uh currently, um a corporal in the army [1928.31] Mel Pengelly: Who's coming out to head our uh public safety and experience? [1932.55] Mel Pengelly: Um, and then we've got tommy donley from rssr who's our technical director [1937.83] Mel Pengelly: And without those guys constantly testing and getting together over the last nine weeks [1942.71] Mel Pengelly: Um the event wouldn't have been the success that it was we had a massive turnout by the public [1948.71] Mel Pengelly: And one thing that was picked up very quickly was we weren't sort of catering for them [1953.83] Mel Pengelly: So what we've done and literally today, um, I have purchased the 20 meter by 16 meter marquee [1960.63] Mel Pengelly: And what we're going to be doing is we're going to be having screens on the inside and the outside of the marquee [1966.31] Mel Pengelly: We're back at gridditch on april the 14th and 15th [1970.69] Mel Pengelly: 2018 we have got a few surprises for the course. It's going to be a little bit different drop as a message [1975.51] Mel Pengelly: It's first come first serve guys. So yeah next year initially we'll start off [1980.15] Mel Pengelly: Um with six castles being within the drone crusaders league. We're now looking at [1985.11] Mel Pengelly: Um a castle around the car this area without giving too much away [1989.91] Mel Pengelly: Uh, we're looking at new castle one in the midlands and one in suspect at every venue we go to [1995.75] Mel Pengelly: Um, we are going to be launching a drone crusaders club [1999.27] Mel Pengelly: Um, which ties in velocir drones. So we're going to be teaching people how to fly [2004.39] Mel Pengelly: So it's not just the people who can already race [2007.43] Mel Pengelly: Um, there'll be pilots teaching [2010.31] Mel Pengelly: Um, there'll be pilots teaching beginners how to build drones [2014.23] Mel Pengelly: Um up and to people up and coming like our sponsored pilot kelsey fpv [2019.59] Mel Pengelly: Um where you know, hopefully then we can see them on the circuit in the future [2023.75] Mel Pengelly: True wherever a drone crusaders group [2026.63] Mel Pengelly: Uh pops up 10 of our profits will always go to the venues with regards to restoration [2031.99] Mel Pengelly: We've actually got some sponsors in italy [2034.63] Mel Pengelly: We were looking at launching drone crusaders over there and literally this evening had a phone call from the us [2041.19] Mel Pengelly: Um with a bunch of guys over there looking to take drone crusaders into the us [2046.23] Mel Pengelly: The information is on the website at uh, www.drone crusaders.co.uk [2051.69] Mel Pengelly: Well, you got you you you guys must join us in april. Cheers. Bye. Bye [2057.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Awesome. Cool. That was one of the things I forgot to say the [2061.5] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It was amazing. I think more people turned up for this event from the public [2067.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: than [2068.22] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: any of the races that [2069.82] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: i've seen [2071.5] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Throughout the year [2072.78] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, yeah, it was it was crazy because people went there like oh this i'm not talking about teenagers [2078.3] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I'm talking like old people a little uh, um [2081.9] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Walking sticks and stuff and they were sitting around in a courtyard where they could see [2087.34] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: A small fraction of the course and they were loving it [2091.42] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So whenever I I had the chance to go out, I would just take my goggles and like show the people that were like [2096.62] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Oh my god, you're looking through the goggles. Oh, this is amazing. It's like flying [2100.62] Tony: So people really enjoy this. That's good. That's really good [2104.7] Tony: Good [2106.62] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And another thing yeah, I have to refer this I was really surprised so, uh as mel mentioned [2113.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, there was a 14 year old girl [2116.94] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: called [2117.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Kelsey Kelsey, yeah, uh racing and I mean from the videos that I did a segment on women and fpv [2125.74] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh hot topic not too long ago. Yeah, exactly hot topic. I'm not doing [2133.1] Andy: Where I shot [2136.46] Jack: Don't you have like, um, you know like a manager that does that or something [2144.54] Jack: Where's your glasses [2146.38] Andy: Oh, they I they brought I broke them. I brought I need to order some oh, right. Sorry. Hang on. Let's go [2152.7] Jack: I ignore me for the next 20 minutes. I'm going to start [2155.66] Jack: a uh, a go fund thing [2158.06] Jack: Go fund me [2160.3] Jack: Fund me news news new glasses [2163.1] NJ: Anyways, I should point out just quickly that um [2166.06] NJ: Because obviously when people watch this video back, they won't pick up what's been going on in the chat [2170.06] NJ: but david windowsill has expressed his excitement over uh, the start of rocket punch [2176.14] NJ: And uh, he's open to the chat what people would like what suggestions people have for what to punch [2182.86] Tony: David can I do the rocket punch? [2187.1] Tony: Bit please think you just did [2189.5] Jack: Take that [2192.06] Tony: Give a timestamp coconut timestamp is I don't know. What is the time stamp? Where can I do it? See? I can't see any time [2200.7] NJ: Little more information about the fist what what what where is he going to acquire a fist and how big is the fist going to be? [2208.54] NJ: These are all important questions for rocket punch [2213.82] Tony: David david get a microphone [2217.02] NJ: Turn yeah, it's difficult to get the center of gravity right on the fist [2222.94] Jack: I'm gonna have him on next week if you want [2225.58] Tony: Let's have david on next week to talk about rocket punch [2230.06] Jack: So is the rocket knife thing over david? [2233.98] Jack: to fist [2238.22] Jack: When did you ever think you were going to write that down never that's the thing with being friends with david like I just [2245.58] Jack: um [2247.34] Jack: Yeah, I just andrew needs to jump in [2252.7] Tony: Or enough I kind of made the fist so [2258.14] Tony: It's slightly bigger than [2260.7] Tony: than actual size by it's about [2264.78] Tony: 15 percent bigger than real life something like that [2268.22] Tony: It's and it's very solid nylon. We got are they listening in from? [2275.82] Andy: Australia Australia was that oh just us. Yeah [2282.92] Jack: Less the top things that people want watermelon. What was the other things? [2291.32] Jack: No idea. I don't know. Uh, anyway, i've got a topic [2295.08] Jack: Back to the crossfire. Sorry [2297.24] Jack: Um tony, I'd just like to point out tony [2301.56] Jack: Is doing something right because um, did is any of you guys still subscribe to steel? [2308.28] Jack: Because on his latest video he was like flying around a bit freestyle when you come into land you catch. Um [2315.4] Jack: Thing a swarm reading from his phone about the guidelines for the crossfire [2321.16] Jack: um [2321.96] Jack: about you know, uh [2324.2] Jack: using a long-range system [2326.28] Jack: uh on a [2328.66] Jack: Unreliable model doesn't make it [2332.04] Jack: You know more reliable or any less chance of fail safe and stuff make sure you [2337.72] Jack: Had had it to a reliable model that has been flown and and and tested improved itself [2343.8] Jack: and I just like to say that, you know, tony's doing the right thing with his um [2348.84] Jack: Setting setting stuff up or tony can switch his camera off and ignore me. Was that a compliment to tony? [2354.6] Jack: I just I think that's the first thing [2357.24] Jack: He hung up [2359.88] Andy: You can't can't handle it. He's fainted. So I can't be hearing what i'm hearing is not coming out of jack [2365.4] Jack: Yeah, like there you go [2367.4] Jack: um, yeah, if david doesn't come on i'll do uh tony's mind blowers and uh, it'll be like a clip episode of uh [2375.96] Jack: tony doing stuff wrong [2377.72] Andy: Mind blowers. Yeah a rick and morty reference. Yeah [2382.44] Jack: Hello tony [2386.08] Andy: He's no. Oh, there. There we go [2389.36] Jack: What happened? [2391.12] Tony: Crashed but at least it wasn't it wasn't my whole laptop. What crashed this time? [2395.76] Tony: It was just hangouts. You missed jack giving you the only compliment that is ever done [2405.12] Jack: Now I might as well just lick this five s [2413.76] Tony: What was the compliment I totally didn't hear anything I was watching the [2418.4] Tony: Uh chat we got some a lot of people in thanks. Um, andy [2424.48] Andy: Yeah, well you guys you need more exposure because you get great people on here like, you know flight desk guys david, you know [2432.24] Jack: Carlito yourself [2438.08] Andy: Can I ask carlito because i'm i'm never sure your youtube name is it seek [2443.84] Andy: An and fpv or seek nd fpv [2447.6] Andy: Seek nd seek nd. I wasn't sure if you're trying to say seek and fpv sort of thing. So because the [2455.2] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That name has been with me for [2459.12] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Years and it's part of the uh, well, it was like a acronym for seek and destroy because when I played quake that was [2466.4] Andy: Yeah, well, that's what I thought [2468.24] Andy: Yes, but you say nd. I just wasn't sure because I was trying to [2472.32] Andy: Promote your channel and I didn't know how to say it properly [2475.36] Andy: But I got it right luckily. Can I get it was either that or [2481.76] Jack: Can I get whatever jack said nice about me, please [2490.88] Jack: If I catch you masturbating to it [2496.8] Tony: Again [2501.36] Jack: I [2503.92] NJ: Might be carlito isn't so bad [2506.32] NJ: Um, but yes, it was it was related to redundancy [2509.6] NJ: Uh tony and the fact that well redundancy and you you making an effort to make sure everything's set up correctly [2515.76] Jack: Um, and then his motor mount fell off [2518.8] NJ: Yes [2519.84] NJ: At least you have an option you have opportunities still to fly the thing with the with the motor mount [2524.16] NJ: Falling off, but yeah, it was a really good point jack [2526.72] NJ: And i've seen it in a couple of these recent rtf's i've been sent to review the the diatone [2532.48] NJ: GT2 was was another one big big yellow warning card with lots of good really good points well written about [2540.56] NJ: Flying responsibly and you know if this is because it's ready to fly you're not entirely sure who's buying this [2546.4] NJ: You can't always assume it's someone that's been doing this for a while and you know [2549.28] NJ: This could be the first drone for someone [2550.88] NJ: so I think manufacturers need to do a bit bit more to just keep that kind of thing coming and [2556.32] NJ: Yeah, because we don't have redundancy on quadcopters [2559.12] NJ: You just don't one motor fails at the minute until they I mean there is a way around it [2563.36] NJ: But they won't program any of that in but if you lose a motor, it's a single point of failure [2567.76] Tony: You you haven't got the redundancy really. I know and it's amazing that dji [2573.44] Tony: Use a lot of quadcopters [2576.32] NJ: There is a way to actually go into a colossal yaw spin and actually sustain the quad [2581.68] NJ: um and keep it in the air with a motor down but it's then still powered and [2586.48] NJ: Now spinning very fast towards the ground, but yeah, i've had a hexa cop to fail [2592.0] Tony: Uh one motor failed on me not only you see it was actually a motor. See that's fine [2599.92] Tony: Yeah, don't spin around as well I managed to land it safely and it was fine [2605.2] Tony: yeah, um [2606.4] Tony: Obviously you've got a bit more than four keeping you in the air, but yeah [2611.44] Tony: Uh, can I just shout out mikey dread has just been um promoted. Uh, he is now a um [2619.2] Tony: pilot for um [2621.18] Tony: Manis. I'll see so well done mikey dread [2624.96] Tony: Good on you, mate [2627.84] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Sorry [2633.28] Tony: Yeah, we love their antennas so good on you mikey got your sticker on the back of my phone [2639.2] Jack: Look at that [2641.2] Jack: And i've got a clean fight one as well [2644.0] Jack: so only [2645.44] Jack: Stuff that I like gets on there [2649.15] Jack: Fair play though. A lot of people get in [2652.03] Jack: sponsored [2653.63] Jack: I I I do like yeah, uh people were talking about steel and stuff and whether they like them [2658.99] Jack: They like him in the chat. He is actually a good guy deep down [2662.35] Jack: I think the whole him being a dick's a bit of a defense facade [2666.43] Jack: and I when I spoke to him at the [2671.31] Jack: UK meetup I did ask him if I could chat to him again [2676.99] Jack: and uh [2678.83] Jack: David [2680.11] Jack: You're a mod now. So it means you can post links and [2683.15] Jack: Add a straw poll like add a list of people so they can write things to punch [2688.75] Jack: but yeah, uh, so we will we can talk to still at one point and I have a little bit of [2694.91] Jack: I'm just waiting for all the uh stills left rote a riot and you know people hate each other and [2702.19] Jack: I don't know. How are you guys finding rote riot nowadays? Like the I found it really weird about um [2709.07] Jack: Uh tommy like literally his his he released an episode. That's exactly the same as rote riot [2714.99] Jack: The drifting like days before so it was almost pointless watching rote riot [2719.47] NJ: Yeah, I agree. But I thought that that chad chad kind of [2725.07] NJ: Said that tommy was kind of sort of heading up rote riot a little bit now [2729.39] NJ: Um, well that was that was the plan. Is that not [2732.43] Andy: Yeah, he's in charge, isn't he? [2736.19] Andy: I think they've all got their own successful channels, haven't they? So it's kind of [2740.59] Andy: When you watch rote riot, it just becomes like a a mix of all their channels put together and sometimes [2747.23] Andy: um, it can it's like when when you have like [2751.15] Andy: When you like two bands and they've got the same singer and everyone says oh, it sounds like the other band kind of thing [2756.83] Andy: It's kind of like that sort of thing with with rote riot, I think [2760.83] Andy: but I agree [2763.47] Tony: I agree, but I did like the uh [2766.83] NJ: Putting the news on in it, you know what I mean? Yeah, there's something that um, sorry something that latino said in the chat [2772.27] NJ: It's about mathematical algorithms is what keeps you in the air. Nothing to do with spinning. Um [2778.67] NJ: Yes, it is a mathematical algorithm you're right, but I was pretty sure [2782.19] NJ: Um with a quadcopter if you lost [2785.07] NJ: one arm [2786.51] NJ: Uh to be able to stay in there that would require some spinning to stop the non-trusty. Yeah, you are right [2793.23] NJ: So it's it's both but yes, I get what that I know what the scene is saying [2798.03] Jack: The thing is all all flight is a mathematical algorithm because they're like, you know, PIDs and trigonometry and stuff [2803.47] Jack: but what you're saying is [2805.79] Jack: Because the reason why our motors are spin different directions on [2810.43] Jack: That's to a poke differential. Yeah [2814.03] Jack: Counteract gyroscopic procession. Is that right? [2817.55] Jack: and then you [2819.23] Jack: Once you lose that motor then the two motors that spin and then that'll make the body spin the other way [2826.03] Jack: From those motors spinning and that's what keeps you in the air. So then you become a is it what are they called honey sickle? [2832.99] Jack: Leave sickle more. Yeah sickle more seeds. That's it. Yeah [2838.11] Tony: or a tricopter [2840.83] Jack: No, yeah, I don't know we should get david on because he actually knows what he's talking about [2846.11] Tony: We'll just be a tricopter bit instead of being able to tilt the tail rotor. It'd be stuck vertically and then yeah, that's gonna spin [2854.43] Jack: David write something in the chat. So we don't sound like dickheads [2858.43] Jack: I was saying [2863.07] Jack: I've got something called here. Why do you keep from scratch? [2866.99] Jack: Don't you mean beat the fly nj? [2869.23] Jack: Ah, when did I say race light? [2871.87] Tony: I've never heard nj ever say base flight [2875.31] NJ: Earlier on he said base flight. I said race flight [2879.95] NJ: Way back now. Yeah, have you seen this little guy so i've got to review this at some point but um [2885.47] NJ: So that is it's it's it looks like a tricopter. It's not it's a quadcopter flirting [2890.83] NJ: Wait for it. Yeah, I know somebody there you go. Carlos got it in one [2894.27] NJ: This is a y4 and it is essentially like having the the two motors one motor inverted and then stuck along one axis [2901.31] NJ: But it's essentially it's quadcopter [2903.31] Tony: Interesting though. It's not one is it the leg of this one and it's quite fast. There you go [2908.35] Jack: Just like one of those shit off this channel [2912.83] NJ: It's cody [2914.43] NJ: The only way I like things are a little different like that [2918.67] NJ: What is it like for tuning [2920.99] NJ: Uh, i'll tell you when i'm messing around with it. What do you think? [2924.59] NJ: Carlito because you've got one that flies on the lips. Yeah [2928.11] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: You have to put a different prop [2933.55] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: In the in the uh bottom, so if you take a look you have three, um, what are these? [2940.43] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Actually, these are the wrong pros, but doesn't matter [2942.51] Tony: Uh, 45 that's not even underneath sorry to interrupt but can you show that that's like [2948.59] Tony: How does that work? That's not even [2951.95] NJ: Is this because of a loss in efficiency on the on the motor underneath? [2955.79] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: yeah, otherwise [2958.27] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Otherwise when you punch out it goes like that [2961.71] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Slightly, but if it's like a bigger prop [2965.15] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: If you put the bigger prop on the uh on the bottom [2967.71] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Then it works much better. I mean you still feel a little bit of drift, but it's it's [2972.43] Tony: Much much less. Wow. That's the first time i've ever seen [2976.11] Tony: Uh formation like that with the motor forward [2981.23] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: See all the coolest stuff on this show [2984.99] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: A bit of flight takes care of one of that. It doesn't really matter [2987.63] Jack: This is why this is why i'm mod people because they're great [2990.99] Jack: Matthew carla says for once I agree with jack [2993.95] Jack: It sure sounded like you said bass flight for both times [2996.99] Jack: But second time my brain automatically translated it to race flight [3001.63] Jack: I just like positive dig at jack [3005.71] Jack: mother [3006.91] Jack: Andy, what is andy rc army? [3010.75] Jack: About have you like made your own cult? [3013.71] Andy: No [3014.91] Jack: I'm not sure whether I want to drink your call [3017.87] Jack: There's somebody else that I love it [3021.71] Jack: I bet you've got a fan club. Oh andy rc. I really like it [3025.55] Jack: I bet that person who sent you that really storky message has made you a little fan club [3030.59] Andy: And it's really it's the first I've heard of it. I can't [3034.35] Andy: Join it. I want to join army. I think maybe they're just saying [3038.19] Andy: I think maybe they're just saying that they're here from the video that I made yesterday because there's no army that i'm aware of [3043.71] Andy: Are you just bending your army then? No, that's fine. Join the army. Can I join? [3050.43] Andy: You're the commander [3055.39] Andy: I am not a leader of anything [3057.55] Jack: So now every time that address andy rc you got a salute [3061.79] Andy: Yeah [3070.22] Jack: All right, we love andy rc [3072.7] Tony: Oh, he's not happy he's talking [3076.3] Andy: And you always have to say andy rc you just can't say andy without saying oh, that's because we've got two two andrews, aren't we? [3085.42] Andy: So frank, that's what the hell are we all about. It's two andrews [3090.54] Andy: Donut by now, yeah, yeah, this is gonna completely confuse everyone [3098.46] Tony: It will [3100.54] Jack: Andy rc's great. I built my first quad using [3104.06] Jack: You how to build cheap quad copter series. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah [3108.38] Andy: That's that series. Yeah, I have well kind of I did a build of the the floss [3114.62] Andy: Which is like I sort of did like every every time I was talking to mj about this sort of every time [3120.86] Andy: There's a new stepping component. So we had the 32-bit eses come out [3126.54] Andy: So I did a build on that and how to do it, but we haven't really had many big changes yet [3133.58] Andy: so [3134.46] Andy: Yeah, the floss was the last one that I did a few months ago [3138.06] Andy: And uh, i've got a micro build coming up as well that i'm going to be doing but yeah [3143.18] Andy: I try and update it every time [3146.06] Andy: We get new components and stuff [3148.78] Jack: I don't i'd also like to point out that there is a beautiful friendship blooming if you think me and tony are made for each other [3157.58] Jack: nj [3158.78] Jack: and [3163.26] Jack: Really like bonded in the ldo chat and like, you know [3167.34] Jack: they kind of they kind of do their little reviewer thing that none of us are a part of because [3173.42] Jack: They end each other's sentences [3175.66] Jack: Yeah [3176.62] Jack: Yeah, because like me and tony would never be trusted with a reviewing anything because like we didn't expect you to test it [3183.98] Jack: By putting it in your mouth [3185.98] Tony: You know and send us something to review. Um, I will go [3193.82] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I will not only be the best the worst [3196.94] Tony: In the planet it would be like has anyone seen rick and morty that's me and jack [3205.5] Jack: Yeah about that, uh, we're gonna do a special, uh, halloween special. Uh, I think you should all tune in [3214.14] Tony: Definitely gonna do a rick and halloween special. Yeah [3218.38] Tony: If you can guess who's who [3221.02] NJ: Seen an interesting question [3223.34] NJ: In skinny arms, is that it? Yeah. Yeah. What do you all think of the new frames with skinny arms and vertical arms? [3229.42] NJ: So i'll just say this before we start that subject in terms of uh [3234.86] NJ: What people talk about aerodynamics of course, there's nothing zero [3239.34] NJ: Absolutely. Nothing is not to office aerodynamically. It doesn't do anything. No power. It falls out the sky [3246.06] NJ: all you're maintaining is uh induced drag or [3250.22] NJ: Managing induced drag. So having vertical arms [3254.22] NJ: there's [3255.74] NJ: It's a really big and complicated topic [3258.86] NJ: Um, and i'm not entirely convinced by some of the wind tunnel tests that i've seen [3264.3] NJ: Uh, hello kitty. Um, but but yeah, it's it's vertical. I'm sorry [3270.62] NJ: I think it's um [3272.3] NJ: As I said you're brute forcing your way around the sky vertical arms will have their pluses and minuses [3277.42] NJ: They do reduce the drag or the induced drag on the quadcopter [3281.42] NJ: But the whole quad is no matter which way you look at it a giant draggy mess [3286.54] NJ: Um pretty much in in almost every regard. There's nothing beautiful about the way air flows around the quadcopter [3292.62] NJ: I'm, sorry. That's just not sorry to destroy the romance in that [3302.06] Jack: I'd just like to point out a battery whilst [3305.02] Jack: Uh carlito was stroking his pussy [3309.34] Jack: I just like to sorry. Sorry andy after please carry on that's fine [3313.98] Andy: All I was gonna say on that was i've got i've got a few of these [3317.5] Andy: Frames not with their vertical arms [3319.1] Andy: But with the thinner arms and I find them a lot more floaty and I don't know if that that's because there's sort of [3325.26] Andy: Less resistance of of the airflow coming from the props [3329.42] Andy: Like like there's less deflection coming off because they're they're skinnier [3334.22] Andy: So I find that you get way more air time, but i'm talking to nj about this as well [3339.74] Andy: It's different characteristics [3341.1] Andy: People might not like the fact that when you come down on the throttle it sort of floats down rather than the weight of the thing [3348.54] Andy: Could sort of makes it drop really quickly. So [3354.54] Tony: Fossils was the first one to do the vertical arm on the revo [3358.14] Tony: and smoky is our top pilot and he's winning quite a lot using the revo and [3363.9] Tony: he you and it really it comes down to take off like his his takeoff speeds that first like [3373.18] Tony: That that instant of clean air seems to be getting in [3378.46] Tony: In front and it works and if you you listen to um any [3384.06] NJ: Nothing left behind a quadcopter is clean air, but I I I see what you're saying [3388.14] NJ: But I do think there's a big element of skill [3390.14] Tony: What i'm talking about the first lot of clean are over the arms in that first punch out [3394.86] Tony: If anyone watches the guy from australia, I've forgotten his name [3399.42] Tony: He's been reviewing [3401.18] Tony: Vertical arms. Yeah. Good day [3404.14] NJ: Let me say this as well. Let me say this as well [3406.38] NJ: There's something I just want to leave in this place for you to go away and if you so desire to research [3412.3] NJ: one of the biggest problems [3414.38] NJ: Uh-oh the hammer's out one of the biggest problems. I mean the revos are fantastic frame [3419.34] NJ: But the actual string on the revo the dyneema should I say? [3423.82] NJ: Have you ever seen what happens to a cord? [3427.18] NJ: With smoke passing it in a wind tunnel [3429.5] NJ: And you know this is like you've mentioned to me before that they make a whistle [3433.58] NJ: Okay, when you get to a certain speed that the revos whistle now, do you know what whistling is? [3438.2] Jack: oscillation [3439.34] NJ: Correct [3440.54] Jack: It's an oscillation take that huffle path [3443.74] NJ: And if you actually yeah, if you ever there's you can actually see like um [3450.38] NJ: some of the wind tunnel tests on things like [3452.38] NJ: By the old biplanes and if you remember you had the old biplanes the amount of cross sections with uh, [3457.66] NJ: all [3458.46] NJ: Strain with wires and cords if you actually see a section of uh [3462.7] NJ: Air, uh as it seemed through a smoke tunnel passing through that the mess that that leaves behind again is [3469.66] NJ: Absolutely, you know, this is again one of the reasons also contributing factor to white by by planes and uh planes with that kind of [3477.66] NJ: Wires all over it they're exposed to the airflow were so slow [3481.58] NJ: Um, but as I said, it's hugely hugely complicated. But as I said, don't associate aerodynamics with helicopters [3488.38] NJ: It's not the way to think of it. It's about drag management [3491.74] Jack: Do you know what i've always really wanted to do with tony's? [3494.86] Jack: Revo is like cut out little clothes in like a four bits of paper and then stick it like a little washing line on his [3502.14] Jack: revo [3507.18] Jack: Little socks, you know, it's like little fairy pegs you get on christmas cards. Yeah, man [3513.58] Tony: At the moment motors way outperform aerodynamics like you just shove yourself through the air at the moment [3521.5] Jack: When you go that revo three though with no washing line is three inches sick [3527.82] Jack: That thing does rip dicks off even though it's only three inches [3531.82] NJ: Yeah, that that sounds [3533.98] NJ: Definitely like something i'd like to check out. It's fast man. The little fringe [3538.86] Andy: How's um, have any of you guys ever watched kabab fpv? He does a lot of stuff. He's it's actually [3545.98] Tony: I hate his name, but i've watched it [3548.94] Jack: He does a lot of you get vegetarian kebabs tony vegan, yeah, I know just don't like the name [3555.5] Andy: Oh fair enough. Sorry andi. I see he does a lot of stuff on because he's the I think he's the designer of the floss [3562.38] Andy: And he's got a lot of opinions on [3565.1] Andy: All it could be disk loading theory and stuff like that if you want to go and check that out, but [3571.98] Tony: Sorry, there's only a certain amount of speed you can get up to on a racetrack. Anyway, that's true [3577.98] Tony: So [3579.82] Jack: Yeah, so and you got a question for once someone actually wants to like ask you something and hang on [3586.78] Jack: My name so that can't be me. I I prove that really that's the girl spelling, isn't it? [3594.46] Tony: What is the question of the girl spelling name I may answer it or I may totally ignore it i'll put it in the chat [3602.62] Tony: Tony watched steve flying with a kid [3607.26] Tony: Track he knows really well kiddo was killing him watched a bit about him complain how fast he was taking off disappearing [3615.5] Tony: What is that that must be to do with vertical arms that first bit of punch? [3620.86] Tony: From the vertical arms like the clean air around the vertical arms. There's got to be clean air. We've done tests on it [3627.98] Tony: No [3629.82] Tony: Taking off with vertical arms than not vertical arms [3634.14] Jack: I'm gonna [3637.1] Jack: It doesn't work it does i've done tests you want me to tell you a secret the earth's not flat. Yeah [3650.06] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That's not the secret i'm gonna i'm gonna exemplify [3653.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I have a video to do about this, but I haven't had time yet [3656.54] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: most most quads [3658.86] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Use so if this is the front of the quad, right? [3661.82] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Most quads have the battery facing front like this, right? [3666.54] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: that means that [3668.06] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: When you place the quad on the floor, it's either going to tip left or right and the the lift off capabilities are going to go up [3676.22] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Not front right unless you start tilting but then you're probably going to hit the the [3680.78] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: the props on the floor [3683.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: if you turn the battery sideways [3687.42] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: You have yourself an in-built quad filter or whatever you want to call it [3691.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: you know the little things that people put their quads in to go faster and that's [3697.58] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: What makes you go faster in the beginning of a race because you're not going up and forward. You're just going forward by the way [3705.5] Tony: I have no idea what you're talking about [3707.5] Tony: Can't wait for the please do that [3711.42] NJ: No, no look we've got pull uh [3715.42] NJ: Betamata [3716.78] NJ: In the uh in the comment section of the first thing I was going to ask paul if he's if he's still there listening was [3723.9] NJ: Was about the the fr sky thing of why they switched to crossfire [3728.62] NJ: Um for racing because uh, we discussed that earlier. So yeah pulls there [3734.22] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Do you want to take more big martha mate? [3736.54] NJ: Yeah [3739.5] Tony: I think I don't like it. It's a reasonable [3744.7] Tony: actual drone related conversation. I know this is great [3749.1] NJ: This is my speed. I like this [3751.82] Tony: But I think unfortunately we're gonna have to wrap up the podcast there. So [3759.18] NJ: Next week's episode [3761.82] Tony: We can carry on [3764.14] Tony: We'll have to we'll have to end there [3765.82] Tony: But the conversation can carry on but it'll just stay on youtube and never ever reach ichunes [3771.82] Tony: So why does it have to stop? [3774.14] Tony: I'm up for another 20 minutes if you want to pay the editor for another hour of editing then feel free [3780.54] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: editing [3784.62] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It's live what editing [3787.34] Tony: To get it onto itunes to take out the swearing so that it doesn't get taken down from my [3795.9] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: We are [3798.6] Jack: Talking about you [3802.81] Tony: Well andy i'll see i've heard i've seen this twice in a chat. Please answer sparrow or swift micro [3811.05] Tony: Oh, that's a tricky one [3813.77] Jack: Well, I will email you the link pool. Sorry [3816.81] Andy: the um the sparrow [3819.45] Andy: It well, it's 16 by 9 for a start and it's cmas [3824.25] Andy: so [3825.77] Andy: I mean i'm using both of them. So if I want to go and fly 16 by 9 [3831.13] Andy: Then uh, then I use the sparrow micro [3835.69] Andy: Come on carly tuss. He's dying to throw [3840.09] Andy: Conversation [3841.53] Tony: Have you tried the sparrow you need to be wearing? Um v3 goggles for that then [3846.89] Andy: Well, and it or or the onway goggles or the visor goggles anything 16 by nine. Yeah [3853.37] Tony: Yeah, yeah, so if I was wearing my don v2 side it would not be good for me [3859.77] Andy: it'd be all [3860.89] Andy: it'd be all stretched and [3862.89] Andy: so it depends on your goggles and how [3865.69] Andy: You know a lot of people are fine flying four by three through 16 by nine visor goggles like because like sky zones [3872.41] Andy: Yeah, that was the only choice that you had because there's no 16 by nine [3876.33] Andy: cameras, so [3878.41] Andy: I like them both. I I thought it was a great camera the the sparrow the micro [3884.01] NJ: Yeah, i'm waiting to mine as well to turn up because i've spent [3887.77] NJ: I know we sort of covered this last week, but I spent so much time messing around with the monster [3892.25] NJ: Um, and I like flying in 16 by 9, but I could even the months and months of v2 [3896.65] NJ: I couldn't quite get that picture to work in the dynamic range the way [3901.61] NJ: You need us. Yeah with with good exposure in the hot lighting contrast conditions [3907.13] NJ: um, because the latency and the latency test on the monster 2 that the monster 2 is actually quicker than the hs 1177 which is [3913.93] NJ: Amazing. So if the sparrow does that which I know from your footage looks like it does [3918.97] NJ: The sparrows could be a real winner for me personally [3923.85] Andy: My problem my problem mj is that I fly a lot of the the micros that come with the little tiny all-in-one [3930.89] Andy: cameras that are CMOS and [3933.21] Andy: When you go from that to a sparrow, it's it's light and day, you know, so [3938.41] NJ: Absolutely. Yeah [3940.49] NJ: Pull the water. Hang on [3942.49] NJ: Is he there? Yeah [3944.33] Jack: Yes, I am. Uh, mate [3947.93] Jack: Um, hang on i'll just i'll just message uh dave as well. Uh, can I just throw a spanner in the works just before? [3955.21] Jack: like the sensible stuff [3957.21] Jack: Sorry, what do you guys think of this? Hang on. Um, get [3962.17] Jack: Share screen naked naked wrestling between no [3967.45] Jack: Everyone there you go. I'm just gonna play this but you guys can carry on talking [3976.52] NJ: Why are we watching? What? Uh, look, what's she gonna do with the baby? [3981.56] NJ: Uh, baby left baby, right is she gonna breastfeed? [3985.4] Jack: A drone that carries your child is terrifying. Oh the title, right? Yeah [3990.6] Jack: Sorry, carry on poles nj [3993.48] Paul: Hey [3996.68] Paul: Sorry, how are you guys? I'm good, man [4003.08] Paul: I just caught on the conversation about the um, what was it the vertical arms and stuff like that? [4007.56] Paul: So, uh, I thought was pretty cool [4009.56] NJ: Oh, it was you know, we give us your input [4013.48] Paul: Um, screw you guys my my input I think is i'm probably very biased because i've been very heavily influenced with [4021.16] Paul: thomas always proving me wrong, but um [4024.84] Paul: I think you obviously get more thrust because obviously the props um [4030.28] Paul: It's lost a lot less surface area for them to sort of uh, uh combat with [4034.68] Paul: Um, that's I think where you get the most gains, but having said that [4038.68] Paul: Um, i'm not sure if there's any pilots at the moment capable of flying those quads at their limit [4046.7] Tony: Okay. So what do you think about? [4049.34] Tony: um vertical arm [4051.18] Tony: Start, you know, like the the you know, beep beep beep [4060.62] Paul: Are you talking about vertical arms on the quad are you talking about vertically tilted make the quad up so it [4067.1] Tony: the quad and the and and and and and the fact that [4071.18] Tony: You get the clean air as soon as you start the motor and can get in [4076.06] Tony: Oh [4078.14] Paul: I think I don't think it's so much [4081.1] Andy: Is laughing yeah, this is this is the most bizarre conversation i've ever seen happen over a drone carrying a baby [4095.18] Paul: Should try vertical arms on it [4098.3] NJ: I think that going along and short of what tony was asking was do you think the vertical arm quadcopters? [4104.46] NJ: Stop [4107.34] Tony: Yeah [4109.82] Paul: Okay, it depends on the track what usually we will see happen in a lot of races is people will take off [4116.7] Paul: Faster with the vertical arms. Yeah, but then coming into the first turn [4121.5] Paul: They've got so much speed that they completely overshoot the turn [4125.74] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Okay [4127.1] Paul: So I I think if you're capable at flying one of those quads and you think you're capable of flying this to its limit [4134.46] Paul: um [4136.62] Paul: It's doable, but I don't know how many pilots are at that level at the moment [4140.86] Paul: I certainly know I don't think thomas is anywhere near that level where he can actually fly [4144.78] Paul: something where um, I mean even if we went to um [4148.3] Paul: Muncie indiana a lot of the guys there [4151.5] Paul: weren't flying these super duper aerodynamic quads, which is the kind of thing that I was expecting, um [4158.14] Paul: None of the quads had super slick. I mean some did but for the most part i'm talking about the people that were in the top 10 [4163.74] Paul: Um, none of them had super sleek arms or anything like that. You know what I mean? So, um [4169.1] Paul: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I just think the flying skill level at the moment isn't there [4177.58] Paul: We've got david here [4186.22] Jack: I know that's what happens right now. But again, all right, let's try now just your eye dave [4193.9] Windestål: Hey david talk talk [4198.46] Windestål: Hey, I want to say how you can pop [4201.34] Paul: Hello david thomas is going to thomas is going to be getting up in about five minutes. He's going to freak out when he sees you on [4208.06] Jack: Oh, that's good. Oh, I think you should put your camera on him whilst he's sleeping and then wake him up [4215.26] Windestål: For being like [4217.9] Jack: You can whisper it's been watching you sleep [4222.38] Paul: No, he's going to be happy to be with me. That's for sure [4225.42] Jack: Yeah, he'll then spend some of his like drone winning money on serious counseling [4233.34] Jack: That's the whole point of being a father though to mess up your kids, isn't it? [4236.78] Jack: That's why tony's not allowed to breathe anymore. David said [4241.98] Windestål: We do have this it is literal part of all right [4246.22] Tony: David are you going to use my [4248.78] Tony: um [4249.74] Tony: my uh rocket no [4252.22] Windestål: Your rocket. Oh your yes, I will cut a coconut for you. Tony. Thank you [4258.14] Jack: I thought it was not about we use my rocket in my pants. I thought it was like a secret coach [4267.9] Tony: Do rocket knife can I can I be the can I send you a pm of [4273.88] Tony: rocket fist [4276.78] Jack: I need to like properly get my mic set up for him and just like, you know, have his like little christmas jingle like [4285.98] Windestål: Anyone that wants to record one and send me just do it i'll use it send it to rc explorer [4294.62] Windestål: No, take that rc explorer.se. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, right i'm sending mine in a minute [4301.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Is it is it cold there? [4303.98] Windestål: It looks slightly cold. Yeah [4307.26] Windestål: Cold in the house too and I haven't [4309.26] Windestål: Um had to throw stuff in the uh, what do you call that fireplace? Yes [4316.7] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, talk and is there is there a one thing you [4321.18] Windestål: Actually, no, but [4324.06] Windestål: I mean, i'm in the sofa. It's very very cozy. I have a dog here, too [4330.3] Jack: Um, oh god, what was I gonna say? David, give me two things for uh, two more things for you to fist [4345.82] Andy: How's it gonna work i'm interested how it's gonna work because I love rocket knife [4349.42] Jack: Say i've got i've got watermelon. Give me something else that you want want to fist. You gotta be coconut [4355.5] Jack: You don't fist the coconut you knife the coconut surely yeah, we're gonna you got a knife for coconut [4362.54] Windestål: Yeah, I was I what I wanted to do was uh do a mold of a face [4368.46] Windestål: and then fill that with yellow and [4373.02] Windestål: Oh jack's face, yeah, I need to scratch flies like that would be so good [4380.38] Jack: How you got through airport security I never know [4385.1] Windestål: I would never I was so nervous. I was just because in my bag is a bulletproof vest [4395.74] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: All normal things I don't see any problem and two computers [4401.66] Jack: No problem and cables and stuff [4405.5] Jack: Lipo battery in a giant fist [4409.58] Jack: I'm not making your sex robot. I swear [4411.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I [4413.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Dude dude, I have I have an idea for you for rocket knife. Yep, you rocket knife a knife [4419.98] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Into another knife, but here's the twist [4423.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Wait, wait, wait you connect one knife [4426.3] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: with a positive and the other knife with a negative [4429.58] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: of some high voltage so when they actually meet each other and like rocket knife each other some [4435.02] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Big spark is gonna happen [4437.18] Tony: Say rocket knife without saying [4439.98] Windestål: You just can't it's just illegal. Oh, I absolutely love that idea that we weld together [4447.24] Windestål: friction and yeah [4451.5] Jack: And you could do flint as well two bits of flint that would make loads of sparks, oh, yeah [4458.22] Jack: You know or or the old, you know the magnesium fire starters [4464.54] Jack: Yeah, a hot whale of that would be pretty sick [4468.22] Windestål: I don't know if I can get those in Sweden [4470.86] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Why? [4471.66] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Well, it's our legal things just come and buy it here and take it on the plane [4478.78] Jack: Something else to carry on [4481.66] Jack: Please honestly, they're going to be like so you've come to england like four times now. Are you a drug fuel? [4490.46] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: What's that officer I can't carry five kilos of magnesium in my carry-on [4496.14] Tony: Is tom awake [4498.86] Tony: No, no, he's gonna be awake shortly [4506.46] NJ: I have to ask paul a question quickly. Um, just because we we chat a lot tonight about crossfire [4511.18] NJ: But can you tell us the reason why you switched over because we talked about problems at races with everyone in front [4516.78] NJ: fr sky [4517.74] NJ: Can you just let me highlight your experience with that? [4520.94] Paul: okay, well the story with us was um [4524.22] Paul: How we weren't planning on jumping on the crossfire bandwagon only because we haven't been doing long-range flying for ages [4530.7] Paul: So hence that's what I sort of associate [4534.14] Paul: Crossfire with when we were in Muncie, Indiana [4537.82] Paul: Trappie was asking whether thomas would be interested in trying to crossfire out for latency [4542.22] Paul: Because he was running through where it was going to be quicker and he wanted to know how much [4546.54] Paul: Would someone like thomas actually feel would he feel it like would it be significant enough for him to actually want to change over? [4552.3] Paul: Um was it was was the latency actually noticeable? So hence we agreed to actually um try it out [4558.7] Paul: He sent us a unit [4560.78] Paul: um, I probably had it for about two weeks and I hadn't installed it yet and we had a [4565.72] Paul: Competition coming up in uh adlaid and it's it at a at the royal show [4570.94] Paul: So hence i've got a lot of rf noise. I've got tv cameras there [4574.22] Paul: Um, they have about 10 000 spectators. There's lots of mobile phones, um [4578.78] Paul: Wi-Fi and all that sort of stuff [4581.02] Paul: And last year when we raced at that race [4584.14] Paul: Uh thomas's fr sky was fail-saving [4587.58] Paul: And this year the same sort of thing was actually happening [4589.98] Paul: They try to improve things but people were still experiencing fail-safes with um [4594.86] Paul: with uh [4596.3] Paul: I think futaba it was spectrum. The already was actually worked. I've got no idea why spectrum worked, but it did [4601.98] Paul: Wow, um, and also so it was fr sky and futaba that were having dramas and we were running fr sky [4608.38] Paul: Cut a long story short the day before the race I got word that a whole lot of um [4612.78] Paul: Guys were having dramas with fr sky. So we had the one crossfire. We installed it [4618.7] Paul: Got it going and hence. Um [4621.58] Paul: The latency was definitely better and obviously on the track it actually worked well, but we essentially put on for [4627.9] Paul: Uh better control link because we knew we're in a in an environment where there was just a massive amount of rf noise [4634.78] Paul: That was our main reason but now i've actually got a second one now for myself [4638.14] Paul: So i'm switching over to the two [4640.22] NJ: And and you say that thomas really noticed that he did notice the latency, uh improvement [4646.94] Paul: Yeah, look without a doubt. Um [4648.94] Paul: The way trappy described it he described it [4652.62] Paul: In such a way that he's almost implied that it has to be a really [4656.22] Paul: Like a like a really high-end pilot and you would notice it. Well, that's what he was sort of alluding to [4661.66] Paul: Um thomas flew with it and said to me straight away even at my level. I would notice it for sure [4666.7] Paul: He said there's no way none. You won't notice it [4668.3] Paul: so I think if you're anywhere from intermediate and [4671.9] Paul: On you would actually notice if you're a beginner you're probably not going to notice it because your coordination is your bigger issue than actually uh [4679.34] Paul: Um, uh the latency so hence, um, I haven't flown with it yet. I will probably fly with it this weekend [4685.58] Paul: So i'm interested to know so we might do a video with myself and see whether someone at my school level [4691.82] Paul: Would actually notice if not, but thomas is really confident that I will and I sort of trust his judgment [4697.42] Paul: I mean you flew with it. What did you think of it? [4699.82] NJ: Yeah, it was the same experience for me and it was it was [4703.26] NJ: Something I'd kind of forgotten about because I had some issues with binding initially and when I got got the whole thing working [4709.66] NJ: I ran out [4711.1] NJ: Just to go and try it and fly it and it was actually out of my head the whole latency thing completely [4716.38] NJ: Didn't think about it and as soon as I flew it almost caught me off guard like [4720.62] NJ: Wow, just totally immediately noticed the response difference. So [4725.82] NJ: Which i'm kind of relieved about because I thought if I don't notice this and thomas does then i'll god i'm getting old and slow [4732.22] NJ: but [4734.78] NJ: Yeah, i'm super glad I did uh didn't notice it and I yeah, I agree it did feel [4740.86] NJ: Fairly apparent [4742.7] Paul: Yeah [4744.22] Paul: Across the board. I think that's been the consensus. I mean i'm [4747.26] Paul: Just about everyone's feeling it. I mean if you're in tune with your quad, you will feel it for sure [4750.7] Paul: There's no two ways about it at all. Um [4753.42] Paul: Uh, and the way thomas also described it was uh coming into a gate that last minute correction you've got to put in [4759.9] Paul: Um, he just felt he was more in tune with the quad. It was a lot easier to get through gates, etc [4766.22] Paul: Um, especially at high speeds when you're offline just that last minute correction [4769.66] Paul: So, um, he felt it straight away straight away. Um, and even with the motors he chose to run [4774.86] Paul: For that right race. He went with 27 50 [4778.54] Paul: Kv [4779.9] Paul: And um, what he noticed was even down low [4783.9] Paul: Because those motors don't have as much control because they're a higher kv motor [4788.86] Paul: But because the latency was reduced it felt as though down low [4792.78] Paul: It was actually more in control than it was before if that makes sense. Yeah, that's super interesting [4798.06] NJ: Well, it's great to have some some validation from the champ. Anyway [4801.98] Jack: you think you think um [4803.74] Jack: Trappy wouldn't care about latency because like he's really stoned all the time [4811.1] Jack: Yeah, man [4812.78] Jack: It all moves. I I like to imagine him as neo like everything moves really slowly for him. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah [4819.98] Paul: He's pretty chill. That's for sure. Especially if there's a race [4824.54] Jack: You piss him off he wants to kill your ass [4827.18] Paul: Yeah [4828.14] Paul: we've seen both sides of you seen my nasty side too, so uh [4831.98] Paul: We've we've clashed a few times but for the most part what no way really [4837.26] Paul: No, we actually have we actually have seriously [4840.3] Paul: Um, but having said that what I do actually like about trappy is [4844.62] Paul: Unlike some people you could have a disagreement with him and you could turn around and say look you're a douchebag [4849.58] Paul: You know what I mean or whatever just walk away thinking you're both idiots [4852.54] Paul: You know what I mean, but he doesn't actually seem to hold the grudge [4854.46] Paul: Well, he hasn't held a grudge against me. You know what I mean? You can still have a civil conversation [4858.54] Paul: You can have a disagreement and leave it at that [4860.62] Paul: Whereas I know some people if you have a disagreement with it's like the end of the world [4864.62] Paul: Uh, they've decided they're completely like gonna write you off and they don't want everything to do with you [4868.06] Paul: You know what I mean? There's and realistic. There's nothing wrong with having a disagreement and not seeing eye to eye. So, um [4873.42] Paul: That's one thing. Um, we'll see how it goes up the next few years whether you still [4877.74] Paul: Nice towards me or not whether he hates me or not. I'm not sure we'll probably have a few more clashes [4881.02] Paul: But for the most part look he's been really good [4883.58] Jack: Yeah [4885.02] Jack: I reckon you just have one or two. I'll get some in and then he kind of gets over it really [4889.98] Paul: Yeah, that's what I mean [4890.86] Paul: I mean some people you can have one little tiny argument about the smallest of things [4894.54] Paul: I had one guy [4895.82] Paul: That got upset with me because on facebook I posted I was thinking about getting solar panels [4900.46] Paul: And he decided solar panels on a house roof [4903.74] Paul: were terrible [4905.18] Paul: And um, most people wouldn't give a crap whether I got solar panels on it [4908.78] Paul: But for this guy because we agreed to disagree it really it really got under his skin and realistically [4913.42] Paul: It was about solar panels for god's sakes, you know what I mean? Like and yeah [4916.38] Jack: I bought only a chicken once he went nature [4927.26] NJ: So, um david i've got to ask what's what's happening in the world of tricopters with you [4934.86] Windestål: That's it because I thought I was listening to the show [4940.14] Windestål: I'm getting away with it. Okay tricopters. Um [4944.46] Windestål: I'm working on some stuff some fun stuff. It's so tricotters are so difficult with the servo [4951.34] Windestål: like it's uh [4953.42] Windestål: It's getting better the uh developer of uh, tri-fly [4958.92] Windestål: Laocca he's making amazing progress on it, but it's still its tail servo is slow [4966.14] Windestål: And the tg is above the rotation axis [4970.22] Windestål: So you always get that throw in the opposite direction which gets to the flight controller and you get [4979.42] Windestål: Like oh, it's a mess David was watching you sleep, son [4987.18] Tony: How's it going there's the champ [4992.22] NJ: He's like [4995.82] NJ: Hey, what's up? [4996.7] Jack: He's like the swedish elf on a shelf. Is that right? Is that swiss? [5001.1] Jack: Can't you get those fire liners on the swedish army knife? Oh, no, that is swiss [5010.22] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: David i've got something to show you [5014.46] Jack: Oh, so cute you always scares the living shit out of him when you say that [5021.98] Windestål: That is so cute there you go [5025.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And the servo just moves the uh little that's like one on the back [5034.06] Windestål: Oh sweet [5038.94] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: It's the only triac apply like [5043.5] Jack: Have you ever uh reviewed a uh a swedish [5047.98] Andy: Tricopter no, no, i'd love to though. I'd love to i've never even flown a tricopter in fact [5055.1] Andy: I know [5056.54] Andy: I haven't either. Yeah, i'd love to it's the it's the number one request that I get but I [5062.54] Andy: I don't know how to go about it. So I it's something I it's something on the list to do definitely and [5068.86] Andy: Carlitos did what's the story behind this uh this micro i've never seen that either [5075.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I think this yeah [5080.86] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Well, it's not a hobby king one [5087.18] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Blue arrow [5090.06] Andy: It's like an ultra micro servo. Is it a kit or have you built it yourself? [5095.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: No, this is from uh matt marciniac [5098.22] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So you have uh, can I plug a side for him? [5101.34] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Micron yeah, it's let's throw now no one cares [5104.94] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Oh, uh, yeah, I can micro micro props and he has like a little kit. Yeah. Yeah, it can send you one if you want to review it [5114.3] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: That looks awesome. I love that and it has like a little picot board on the bottom [5119.26] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: So it's only that the thing is that it only works with this type of board [5123.66] Jack: Uh, but yeah, it flies flies amazingly. I won't take david long to put the feedback [5128.86] Andy: Can I ask David does david still prefer to fly tricopters over quadcopters? Are you coming around to? [5137.42] Windestål: Both have their merits, but yes, they do fly [5141.74] Windestål: Quads, they're amazing. Yeah and the sizes like compared to [5148.62] Jack: traitor [5151.5] Windestål: It's tricopters were superior back when we got those huge quads and that because they didn't get off fast enough. Yeah [5159.98] Windestål: but [5161.02] Windestål: Quads today and all the [5163.64] Windestål: Development time that have been put into quads. There's like [5167.96] Windestål: Millions of hours put into getting them to fly good [5171.98] Windestål: Yeah, compared to tricopters where we probably have a hundred [5177.58] Windestål: Yeah, it's uh, but still I love how [5180.94] Windestål: You get that flowiness the swooshiness [5184.7] Andy: Yeah, yeah. Well, you have your own kits date. I need to buy one and and do a [5190.62] Andy: I watched your uh, I watched your build video of it as well. And that was great. I love that. Yeah [5196.38] Jack: You're the only one [5198.94] Jack: even though you speak in swinglish [5201.74] Jack: who explains [5204.7] Jack: End points and [5207.08] Jack: Subtrim properly david that is that's what I love about you. Not because you're swedish and you're mental [5214.62] Jack: because [5215.58] Jack: You can teach an animal like me you're one step away from tony [5220.78] Jack: If you teach tony you like that do do smack some sense into hell and keller [5226.3] Tony: uh, can someone put um in the live chat someone put the link to um, [5231.98] Tony: david's [5233.58] Tony: Um website because I think some people want to look at the tricop. Yeah zeros put it in there [5239.42] Jack: I think zeros like doing it all the time. Uh, zero may have put it in there [5244.22] Tony: Um, I see a squirrel look matti carla's just put it in so if you guys want to check it out [5249.9] Andy: It's called. It's not giving us a live flight of this tricopter. I'm trying [5260.12] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I don't remember how to anymore [5262.44] Andy: I haven't flown this in ages. Yeah, it's really cool. I never seen that before. I don't know. I have not seen ever [5272.73] Jack: I can't believe you never flown a tricopter [5275.13] Andy: I know I sort of [5276.65] Andy: I started off with like the the 450 size and then when it became sort of like the blackout then I moved [5282.01] Andy: I always wanted to build one of those wooden ones that david used to build years ago with the [5287.69] Andy: you know with flight tests, um [5290.09] Andy: Yeah, I never got I was always worried about the servo breaking because [5295.05] Andy: I flew planes a lot and the servos they they always go eventually have you tried not crashing? [5301.21] Jack: I find that is the best thing for servos. Yes. Yeah [5305.45] Tony: It's a tricky one andy i've just talked to um the guy [5311.53] Tony: Carlos got that from and he's gonna send you a built one [5315.61] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Here we go [5317.69] Tony: That's amazing. If you talk to me later after the show i'll give you [5322.25] Tony: details i'll swap details and [5324.33] Andy: I think that would be so popular. Honestly, yeah, it's coming. So [5329.61] Tony: That's gonna happen. Yeah [5331.61] Andy: Great. Oh, here we go [5334.49] Tony: So i'm gonna find a cat [5336.81] Jack: Yeah [5337.93] Jack: The cats the cats off [5339.93] Andy: Point your camera down a bit more. This is not a good advert for tricot. Where's paul off to like [5349.37] Tony: Make it very good. I think paul's making very yes [5362.72] Andy: It's like a ghost just covering up of the car [5365.04] Andy: It is [5370.24] Andy: We're doing our tv then on your on your tx you've got one of it is that a tbs tx you've got there [5375.68] Andy: Yeah [5376.96] Jack: I've never tried one of those even. I just like to point out that the uh, pussies are rc groups man. There's gonna be [5384.32] Jack: Don't be a thread about me [5386.96] Jack: That guy, um only did half an hour tonight [5390.4] Jack: There we go [5392.4] Andy: That's why you fly a kicopters. Is that is that the first live flight on that shown out as well? [5400.8] Tony: Yeah, sting is warm as well [5402.88] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Look at this. It's incredible. Like I can hover it better than than a quad like in front of the camera. It's crazy [5409.92] Andy: I wonder if you could I wonder if you could hook it up so that you could see the fpv feed like through the [5415.92] Jack: Yeah, yeah [5418.24] Jack: I do live stream. Yeah [5422.4] Jack: Buy an analog thing because uh, am I gaming and stuff man? [5426.8] Jack: Like he's on my case. Don't don't remind him [5431.04] Jack: That's neat [5433.52] Jack: Can the guy send one to david? [5436.0] Jack: So david got one [5438.0] Andy: David will just put a knife through it there [5442.24] Jack: He's probably done it for [5444.8] Andy: Those uh, those tiny motors just flying up one thing I love about the uh, the rocket knife thing [5450.16] Andy: The the thing that i'm looking at the entire time is usually the little slides getting cut up and pinging off [5457.92] Windestål: It's amazing that they react before the knife is there [5461.84] Andy: Well, it's just the most the one with the goat bone. It looked like one got sliced in half like [5468.64] Andy: It was so close. Yeah. Yeah, what's your favorite one that you've done so far? [5474.08] Andy: Yeah [5476.4] Jack: Good question [5477.6] Jack: That is amazing. Have you seen that link zero put up? [5483.2] Windestål: Sorry, just ignore me. No, I just got said yeah you you half a puff freaking [5492.24] Jack: I hate that. That's all I get now. I get phone calls [5495.92] Jack: like [5496.64] Jack: I get phone calls at like 12 o'clock at night from gaff being like you're right half a puff and i'm like god damn you david [5504.4] Tony: I'm not kidding [5507.04] Andy: What the hell is that a dual cop? [5511.2] Jack: Zero just posts the sickest stuff [5515.12] Jack: Wow [5518.8] Jack: My god damn zero, can you please learn english so we can have you on here like for crying out loud? [5526.08] Andy: Sake david did it. I bet that's not easy to tune. That's all i'm thinking [5533.92] Windestål: If you fly that line of sight which way is forward [5539.04] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: There's a guy as well in india that randomly added me on facebook and it was like like my channel [5544.64] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: and he builds this [5546.48] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: dual and [5548.24] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uni, um [5549.34] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Unicopters out of stuff that you find in the house now [5553.44] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: When I say that most people think oh, yeah, like a balsa and stuff. No, I mean like [5558.08] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: of of tupperwares and duct tape [5561.52] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And whatever you have in the kitchen kind of stuff like what before crazy stuck man, but dual dual copters [5569.84] Andy: Did anybody see that video of that that lady? [5572.96] Andy: She was like in a bikini or something and she was it was like a a manned quadcopter and just on a lake [5579.36] Andy: just hovering around like [5582.0] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Mine only had a lady though [5584.24] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Oh [5587.52] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: She was taking like of like parts of the clothes slowly and oh, yeah, no that's a different video color [5595.52] Tony: Yeah, that's late night video [5599.76] Andy: No, but it goes back to when we were talking about all it takes is a prop [5603.52] Andy: Or a motor to stop and the thing flips over imagine that happening [5607.68] Andy: Because it you know like on a quadcopter that you stand on there's no chance you get me on something like that [5615.98] Jack: I see [5617.66] Jack: space shuttle yeah with [5620.3] Jack: weird motor [5622.7] Jack: elevons [5624.62] Jack: Is that right? What are they called? David? You're sensible [5632.62] Windestål: What I'm just gonna throw out thruster ons [5637.9] Jack: What [5643.18] NJ: Is great that's what we're going with [5645.34] Jack: Oh, mate [5647.1] Jack: That sounds like captain scarlet [5651.02] NJ: Trust runs and threaders [5653.98] Windestål: Oh, I love it [5659.5] Jack: Oh my god, what the hell is wrong with this show how does like [5664.78] Jack: Too many can you show this show to your youtube lady? She'll be like i'm destroying that immediately [5671.42] Jack: This needs to end [5675.66] Jack: Oh my gosh, I know like should be like you you guys are worse than hitler [5692.46] Jack: Oh man right i've had enough of that [5695.66] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Simone yet, this is so hot though. So we have we have the the champion of the world in fpv [5701.42] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And we're not asking you many questions [5703.42] Jack: Yeah, we're having breakfast [5706.38] Jack: I know like man like let him like he's probably brushing his teeth. He's like, what do you want to know? [5711.9] Jack: That's the tempting of the world brush his teeth [5717.26] Jack: Hello what's the breakfast I need ideas for tomorrow, um, kokopops [5722.64] Jack: Oh [5730.0] Thomas: Best news only here on let's run out [5746.56] NJ: Sorry, I was just saying what's on the schedule now [5748.88] NJ: When's the next race and you know, you're just chilling for a bit or [5753.12] NJ: Practicing furiously. What's the schedule like? [5756.24] Thomas: so for me right now [5758.96] Thomas: mainly focusing on practice [5761.28] Thomas: Hopefully soon. Um, this is like last month at school. So like today i've got a practice like a trial run of an exam [5767.28] Thomas: so [5768.32] Thomas: I think these next few weeks get me school oriented. Um [5772.24] Thomas: Um [5773.6] Thomas: As far as be racist go nothing planned yet [5777.6] Thomas: Uh, there was one we're going to go to but it falls right at the beginning of my exam [5781.36] Thomas: So i'm not sure if i'll be able to do it. Yeah, that's the career one [5784.64] Thomas: Um, so after that everyone thinks you're going yeah, everyone thinks i'm going because they're posted that i'm going [5789.52] Jack: You can't you can't take him to career. That's why they stick him in a boy band [5794.08] Jack: I know [5795.76] Jack: Hold it near that. Damn it. Tell your dad [5799.28] Jack: I got that. I have to text him. No, you've got his phone [5810.0] NJ: You know [5811.2] NJ: Of practice for you thomas [5812.96] NJ: What do you just literally burn pack off to pack around the track or is there something specific you can give to? [5818.96] NJ: as tips for anyone who's interested [5821.52] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: And becoming their world champion [5824.08] UNKNOWN: Um [5826.08] Thomas: I guess for me, it was pretty much just doing whatever I felt like I needed to whether it was just a racetrack or [5832.32] Thomas: Maybe there was something I wasn't happy with like maybe how I was doing a slalom or something and I you know [5836.72] Thomas: Focus more on that for like a day or something [5839.28] Thomas: um [5840.16] Thomas: other than that though, um [5842.4] Thomas: I guess we're kind of lucky in mobile. We've got two clubs [5845.28] Thomas: Um that do racing monthly, which means that the very least I was getting two races a month [5849.36] Thomas: Which is kind of good because it gave me lots of race experience [5852.4] Thomas: Um, it's not the same as like skill building and stuff like that. But still um, it's a different kind of uh [5858.72] Thomas: training [5860.88] NJ: Amazing that's really good to know. Yeah, I will say the one thing that always [5864.48] NJ: uh blows my mind when I when i'm watching you race is always how fast you take the slalom and that's something that I [5870.96] NJ: I've thought whenever i've tried anything like that on a track i've always been [5874.88] NJ: quite nosed down [5876.32] NJ: Going around uh anything that's sort of moderately like a slalom, but I notice you you actually bank quite heavily [5883.04] NJ: Um into your slalom. Is that right? [5885.92] Thomas: Um, yeah, um, I mean there's a few different ways you can go around. Um [5891.36] Thomas: This is what I do [5893.12] NJ: But it definitely seems to work [5895.36] Tony: And he's always so cool about it as well. He's like, yeah [5898.8] Tony: I've won but yeah, I could have done far. I could have done better [5902.64] Tony: He always says that always [5905.12] Tony: Yeah, yeah, I love that [5908.56] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I think we need to have some type of like [5911.42] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: challenger [5912.72] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: series [5914.4] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Where the fastest balance just yeah. Yeah. No not toning [5919.68] Tony: But budget's got a second suffered. Thank you very much [5925.28] Jack: For how long oh my god, it was one hour and 36 minutes it seemed to mention that [5934.64] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I kind of want to see [5936.24] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I kind of want to see tom versus like bani for example [5939.92] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: in a in a pre [5941.76] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I don't know like an organized match like if it was boxing or something but for yeah. Yeah [5946.8] Jack: What there is something wrong with you pitting school kids against each other [5955.28] Jack: From bullying but here we have mr. Seacrest destroy, um coming in today. So, uh, he's [5963.2] Jack: He's dug a big pit out in the uh school yard and uh, he's filled it full of gasoline and we'll be entering [5972.72] Jack: Winner gets dinner [5976.64] Tony: Not sanding the circle shouting flight flight flight [5983.52] Jack: So he's such a dad [5985.92] Jack: Paul would be proud [5988.56] Jack: um [5990.0] Jack: Only if you have the password for the port and uh pick up unit [5997.68] Jack: Sorry, i'm talking to frank [6000.88] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Uh, what is what do you think though paul? Can you beat bani? [6006.4] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Um [6010.56] Thomas: I have no clue. Um [6016.24] Thomas: Cheeky it's got foul mouth [6020.4] Thomas: I mean, um [6022.4] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Oh, would you like to would you like to challenge bani in the race? [6026.32] Thomas: Of course, I love racing. Um, I'd love to challenge anyone [6031.04] Thomas: Um, but yeah, it'd be um, definitely an interesting race. Um [6036.64] Thomas: Yeah, it'd be maybe we could do a pay-per-view, you know like [6042.08] NJ: Will you all stop trying to monetize thomas [6044.8] Jack: I know [6045.92] Jack: Only like one step away from oiling him up and throwing him into a ring [6051.04] Jack: Just like to point that out [6056.24] Thomas: I think we'll be very interested watch the bruise together. Are we talking about a race or are we talking about the fuck? [6068.64] Tony: I would love to do a race. Yeah, that's what we're talking about [6072.4] Thomas: But not a bike [6074.4] Tony: No, a race would be called pay-per-view race that I think that are drawing some money, you know [6080.64] Andy: Oh, definitely. I i'd watch it [6083.84] Jack: I'd love i'd love danny to be listening to this and him be like [6089.44] Jack: You what you know [6092.16] Jack: Jobs his ipad [6095.36] Jack: I think he's in bed by now because [6098.72] Tony: Can anyone hit him up and see who he's about [6102.4] Jack: I ain't got his phone number [6104.4] Tony: Someone i've got lessons. Yeah, i've been with him [6107.92] Jack: Someone's better get him on too. Like which dickheads have let's drone out like dissing you again [6114.8] Jack: Because you refuse to come on the show [6117.84] Tony: He's been on a couple of times. He has it. Yeah, he comes on he's just like [6122.72] Tony: And they're like what? [6124.4] Tony: All I can say is to these young lads is like when they stay in school [6130.0] Jack: Talk to bad. Well, that was the our age [6133.84] Jack: Yeah, don't listen to tony. It's a miracle. We still got all his teeth [6139.28] Tony: I'm the like the youngest looking here. Look at all you lot. Let's go through them and [6150.48] Andy: I started flying at seven right and it was [6154.4] Andy: A year ago [6157.68] Andy: No, it was like 25 years ago 26 years ago [6160.96] Andy: And it was really easy to pick up and as i've got older it I found it just really [6166.88] Andy: Your reactions change. So I would say to anyone that was young doing this. Enjoy it. Well you can because [6174.8] Jack: Oh my god, man, he's literally cashing his pension [6178.02] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: You [6189.78] Tony: I'm saying enjoy it because I wish I could fly like that [6201.14] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Because everything gary gary can fly [6204.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, and he's he's our age [6206.42] Andy: So, I don't think it's like uh, it's just it's just my core excuse isn't it for being rubbish at flying that's because [6214.9] NJ: It's life in the old boys yet do you [6219.22] Jack: You know how to like set the time on the microwave [6223.3] Jack: Set the time on the microwave. Yeah, that's that's a like a sort of [6227.62] Jack: like yeah criteria for like [6230.5] Andy: Okay [6232.5] Andy: I do struggle if i'm honest. Sometimes I it goes for too long [6238.5] Jack: Do you ever try and get bbc3 or the microwave? [6243.38] Jack: Like that is a proper old do you get the remote controls mixed? Well, you know what? I don't even have I don't get [6250.66] Tony: I don't even have a tv. This is this is like the best tree [6255.38] Tony: Oh [6260.82] Andy: Anyone passes me a tv remote. I don't know how to work. Honestly [6267.22] Andy: Modern though, I just watch youtube and online. I don't watch tv. So it's not too modern if that you're modern. Yes [6275.22] Jack: Yeah, you're still with the kids like youtube's still cool [6278.74] Andy: Yeah, absolutely. That's all I watch and let's throw it out. Of course. Yeah [6284.5] Jack: Oh, no, only because we forced you on here [6289.7] Jack: I was going I was going to fvv because my eyes got too bad for line of sight [6296.34] Jack: Age is a beast. Yeah, it is. It's a thing. My hearing's going i can't hear the um, I can't hear the like echo noise [6304.26] Jack: stuff like that mosquito noises [6307.06] Jack: i'm devastated [6309.3] Jack: I feel oh [6311.54] Jack: Is my hearing screwed how how's your hearing sophie alice bexta from like all the monitors [6319.54] NJ: No one [6336.5] NJ: I'll give you a serious answer if you want [6341.54] NJ: A very quick serious answer about musicians hearing if you're a professional musician [6347.3] NJ: Chances are and I actually have my my hearing [6351.22] NJ: I've tested quite, you know, I tested quite recently to check and my hearing's actually [6356.34] NJ: Actually, I would say it's actually slightly above average [6358.82] NJ: And the reason is i'm very very careful about protecting my hearing and we use molded monitors on stage when we play so [6366.02] NJ: We're actually probably the only people [6368.82] NJ: In an arena or in a in a theater or wherever we're performing that have probably got the most ear protection in [6376.42] NJ: the audience are the ones who's usually [6379.14] NJ: getting the biggest battering but [6382.02] Jack: My hearing's pretty good. I still got tinnitus from tony sticking the volume up [6388.02] Jack: Because he couldn't hear himself on the mix [6391.3] Jack: So he turned the master up and then realized he wasn't plugged in [6397.38] Jack: And just plugged in [6399.86] Jack: Is why i've got tinnitus [6402.26] Jack: He might write in [6405.46] Jack: Decade there's one episode where immediately i'm like [6412.42] Jack: And like I didn't speak to him for a whole 20 minutes man. It's lovely it was [6419.3] Jack: Absolute cock face [6422.82] Jack: There goes the editing [6425.62] NJ: You can swear [6428.18] NJ: So i'm gonna i'm gonna attempt i'm gonna attempt to wrap up because I think we're approaching the two-hour mark [6434.02] NJ: Can I just [6437.86] Jack: He's got a live he used to date ellis. No, I didn't [6441.94] NJ: Silence but I used to uh [6444.74] NJ: I used to I used to play a guitar for that's that's context for people who didn't know [6449.54] Jack: Go off furiously googling about about me and so [6455.78] Jack: She comes up to you and she says like you never took me out on a date one [6463.46] Tony: Are you ever gonna come back anyone ever gonna come back [6468.74] NJ: Let me just finish with a quick question for each of each of the guests david what's the eta on rocket fist? [6476.26] Windestål: probably [6478.1] Windestål: two weeks three weeks away for [6480.82] Windestål: a [6483.86] NJ: Everyone that didn't hear it get your submissions into david because he's very much open to suggestions thomas next uh next race for you [6491.38] NJ: Do you know when you'll be racing next? [6493.46] NJ: I'm not sure [6495.06] NJ: Not sure so everyone make sure you subscribe to thomas if you don't already and and pull over at bm. It's some web on [6501.14] NJ: their youtube handle [6502.9] NJ: And uh carlito next race for you [6506.42] NJ: uh [6507.62] NJ: Don't know actually. Oh, well, maybe the british [6510.32] NJ: Championship british championships brilliant and your youtube handle again for anyone that hasn't uh subscribed to you is [6518.02] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: cknd fpv [6520.66] Jack: Brilliant you upload and a review of your pervert wagon. Yes, definitely [6527.54] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: My pervert wagon [6530.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: I'll teach you how to build one. Yeah, I need a [6534.1] Carlos 'Carlito' Costa: Yeah, definitely [6542.74] NJ: Nj, please continue wrapping up. No, I think we're there. Um andy. I'll say brilliant [6550.18] Jack: That was henger render [6553.22] NJ: I thought it was great to handle andy. I see what [6556.98] NJ: tony and [6558.26] NJ: Jack we're learning more about your relationship [6561.54] NJ: With every single episode no comment [6564.9] Tony: fake news [6567.06] NJ: Yeah, thanks everyone for joining us and more shenanigans next week. I'm sure [6571.86] Tony: What an episode. Well again [6573.86] Tony: Thanks, everyone