=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 123 ===
Title: LDO Episode; Tony Cake From ImmersionRC
Recorded: 2018-01-04
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andy, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): Anaseed, Tony Cake
Total audience: 3,291
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gztd_iY67Aw); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/384983606-letsdroneout-ldo-episode-tony-cake-from-immersionrc.m4a)
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00:00 Intro's and thanks to the patreons!
06:00 Cottaging..???
08:00 Connection between Fatshark & IRC
12:00 Tramp V2, mmcx's v u.FL's
17:00 RF Power Tester
19:00 NFC Android 'Wand' App
22:00 Event organisation / LapRF
26:00 Tramp powers
29:00 New RF VTx Meter
36:00 Fatshark goggles smash em up video
40:00 Fatshark 101 Live Unboxing
48:00 Vortex's
49:00 Editor and thethursdaynightshow.com
51:00 IRC v TBS
54:00 FCC v GetFPV
1:02:00 Drones v Policemen in Switzerland
1:05:00 Competition

Immersion RC
https://www.immersionrc.com/

Tonight We get to speak to Tony Cake From ImmersionRC

[0.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Drone Out. I've forgotten what day it is,
[10.56] Jack: it's the fourth. It's the fourth of the first 2018. Is that right?
[16.8] Jack: Correct. Well done.
[18.0] Jack: Thank you, Frank. The camera's locked on you for some reason.
[22.0] Jack: Really?
[22.8] Jack: Yeah, or my thing. I don't know. But anyway, today, first show of the year,
[29.04] Jack: and we are joined by Tony Cake from Immersion Offices.
[34.56] Tony Cake: I'm not from the bathroom.
[36.24] Jack: Yeah, I was this close to begging you to please be in the toilet just for the beginning and then
[42.8] Jack: carry your laptop through to the office.
[45.36] Jack: Oh, I'll sneak it later.
[48.4] Jack: Lovely, lovely office. I like your clock, cock?
[52.72] Jack: Cock, clock?
[53.36] Tony Cake: I've already been through that, Jack.
[56.0] Tony Cake: That's a beautiful piece of English history, that is.
[60.08] Jack: And engineering. Anyway, we're joined by the usual suspects, Tony.
[65.6] Tony: Bonjour.
[66.0] Jack: My faithful man servant and secret lover.
[70.32] Jack: We are joined by an ex-employee, Fat Shark, Andy Arcee.
[74.4] Jack: Hello.
[75.52] Jack: Sorry for your loss.
[77.12] Andy: That's all right. I'm moving on. I'm now a Top Sky employee, so.
[81.76] Jack: Okay.
[83.12] Jack: He was doing, he phoned me, he's on the way to do some banking alone on his own in his car.
[90.24] Jack: Found that quite strange, how you felt the need to ring me during a banking
[95.28] Jack: excerpt.
[96.88] Andy: Well, you know, there's been other times where it sounded like banking, but
[103.36] Jack: And we are joined by our faithful manager, producer, or whatever you want to call him,
[109.52] Jack: Andrew slash rank.
[111.36] Jack: Hello.
[111.76] Jack: Good evening.
[112.72] Jack: Hello.
[113.6] Jack: Andrew just posted in the chat just to remind me.
[116.32] Jack: Thanks to the Patreon, everybody.
[118.32] Jack: We've received so many donations.
[120.96] Jack: And let me just have a look at the rewards.
[123.6] Jack: I'm really unorganized.
[124.88] Jack: I can't believe I didn't put this up earlier.
[127.52] Jack: Hang on.
[127.92] Jack: Let me just load this page.
[133.04] Frank: Hello to everyone in the chat that's been waiting around.
[136.4] Frank: I wish she zero green patches, Mikey dread, Scotty FPV.
[141.52] Frank: Who else we got in there?
[142.48] Frank: Loads of people that have been waiting in there for ages.
[146.72] Frank: Crash tests, baby boy, seaweed, extras.
[156.67] Jack: Hello, everyone.
[157.31] Jack: Anyway.
[158.11] Jack: Hello.
[158.59] Jack: And thank you for listening to that show now.
[160.51] Jack: I put the big massive thank you on our Facebook page.
[165.87] Jack: And I did not thank the actual listeners.
[170.03] Jack: What a dumb ass.
[171.55] Jack: Like one of the listeners is like, yeah, thanks for thanking us.
[174.43] Jack: You know, the people actually like, you know, listen to the show, put up your
[178.11] Jack: shit, don't know whether you're actually going to talk about any drone stuff,
[181.23] Jack: you know, hit and miss every time.
[182.99] Jack: What a, I am the worst.
[185.63] Jack: I'm sorry, but thank you for listening.
[187.63] Jack: I appreciate it.
[190.11] Jack: Right.
[190.43] Jack: So we have achieved the $12 a month.
[193.95] Jack: We've achieved the 24 a month and we've achieved the 36 a month.
[199.79] Jack: And we've almost made the 30 the 48 per month.
[204.51] Jack: And that means that we basically that and one more away from all the episodes
[210.75] Jack: being covered might big shout out to Mikey dread who did the did the donation for editing
[218.83] Jack: the one one podcast so we can pay the editor that will happen next month.
[223.31] Jack: So on the, on the fourth, no, the first of next month, we will be joined by snake FPV,
[232.03] Jack: the Australian and that episode, Mikey dread, if you want to put in the chat,
[240.99] Jack: I could hear myself.
[243.79] Jack: We can dedicate the episode to you.
[246.43] Jack: So let us know who you want it to read it out and let us know what you want us to say.
[250.99] Jack: I will email you later if you want it to be personal.
[254.43] Jack: And yeah, big thank you because we need that because I am sick of editing.
[258.99] Jack: I've got eight more episodes to do.
[260.91] Jack: And I really want to shoot myself in the head and Tony wants to kill himself as well.
[266.19] Jack: Because me and him are editing like mad.
[269.87] Jack: So Anthony has been quite enough.
[273.71] Jack: What are you going to give away?
[276.03] Jack: Emojio.
[277.63] Jack: Have you got one to show us?
[278.83] Tony Cake: This one on the wall, maybe take it down.
[282.35] Jack: Yeah, please.
[283.71] Jack: So if you're a Patreon, you can give $1, $3, any amount, donate to cover a show.
[291.63] Jack: And if you make him laugh.
[292.83] Jack: This is Emojio.
[295.79] Tony: Oh, nice color as well.
[297.95] Jack: Yes, gorgeous.
[300.11] Jack: So yeah, if you if you're a Patreon and you make us laugh in the chat,
[305.71] Jack: then you're in for a chance of winning Emojio.
[308.43] Tony Cake: How do I get to the chat, by the way?
[312.27] Jack: We've posted the link in there, buddy.
[314.91] Jack: I'm going to spam it.
[316.75] Frank: Click one of those in the top left hand corner of the chat screen.
[320.75] Frank: There's a little and then there's some links on the right hand side.
[325.47] Jack: Yeah, just click one of those links.
[327.31] Jack: I've spammed it and then it will open up and then you can read the chat.
[331.87] Jack: If you signed into Google on YouTube, you can comment in the chat and talk to people.
[338.43] Jack: You can also click on the three little buttons and then go view.
[344.91] Jack: Yeah, view channel.
[345.95] Jack: But if you type in there, so Frank can make you a mod as well.
[351.23] Jack: So you can post links and stuff like that.
[355.55] Jack: Okay, right.
[356.27] Jack: Let's start the show.
[359.23] Jack: So yeah, we were supposed to have Carl on who was an army guy,
[363.15] Jack: but we couldn't get hold of him.
[364.27] Jack: So I think he's on some sort of secret mission.
[366.91] Jack: So we had you on at Christmas where you were hiding from your family in the toilet
[372.91] Jack: that says a lot about you that you prefer.
[375.39] Jack: A, let's show now the cottaging by yourself in your own home.
[382.27] Jack: Am I allowed to say that anymore?
[383.55] Jack: It's probably really incorrect, but you're in the UK.
[386.27] Jack: It's okay.
[386.75] Jack: Still, I like the term cottaging.
[389.39] Jack: Plus, I watch part of the George Michael tribute thing over Christmas with my mum.
[398.51] Jack: So I've got a load of his songs stuck in my head.
[401.47] Jack: So what a great man.
[403.47] Jack: So much better than Prince.
[404.75] Jack: Prince was in Maniac.
[406.03] Andy: What's the equivalency to him and cottaging there, Jack?
[408.75] Andy: I don't understand the...
[412.91] Jack: Oh God, right.
[414.19] Jack: So when a man loves another man, like Tony, and you weren't allowed to back then,
[423.23] Jack: you'd get a habitat back.
[424.51] Andy: Can I finish that off?
[425.79] Andy: They like to go on a holiday in a nice cottage together,
[430.75] Andy: and they have a nice time and some nice meals, and we'll move on from that.
[435.15] Tony: I've never, ever gone to a cottage with Jack ever yet.
[439.07] Tony: Wait till April.
[440.03] Jack: There's still time.
[441.15] Jack: Yes, April.
[442.03] Jack: North Wales.
[443.55] Jack: Somewhere.
[444.27] Tony: Thankful.
[446.43] Jack: Oh man.
[448.59] Jack: So Tony's first question when I phoned him, and he was like,
[452.35] Jack: what's happening tonight?
[453.39] Jack: He was like, I was like,
[457.23] Jack: Anthony from Emergent RC's coming on, and he was like,
[463.63] Jack: are Fat Shock and Emergent RC the same thing?
[470.91] Frank: No.
[473.87] Frank: What's the connection though?
[475.15] Frank: Because presumably there is one.
[477.39] Tony Cake: Yeah, okay.
[477.87] Tony Cake: So it's a little bit of history.
[480.59] Tony Cake: So it must have been, what, 10 years ago?
[483.47] Tony Cake: It's not like that.
[484.19] Tony Cake: I got a call from this Canadian bloke in Schengzen,
[490.43] Tony Cake: who had decided to go out on his own and make this little radio control car
[496.83] Tony Cake: with this little guy with his head turning with a head tracker and a set of goggles.
[502.19] Tony Cake: And he needed some help with a head tracker.
[504.83] Tony Cake: So I helped him out, and at that time I was working somewhere else.
[510.67] Tony Cake: And we kind of started a friendship that still blossoms today,
[515.55] Tony Cake: and we've helped each other out of all kinds of holes,
[518.99] Tony Cake: and we design stuff together, and we actually share a factory.
[524.27] Tony Cake: We both built in the same factory in Schengzen.
[528.27] Tony Cake: And there's even kind of a rather obscure family connection there.
[534.19] Tony Cake: So yeah, we're two companies with very similar goals,
[538.83] Tony Cake: product lines that don't really overlap too much.
[541.95] Tony Cake: And yeah, just work well together.
[547.86] Jack: Yeah, because I remember the first time,
[553.14] Jack: any sort of like mention of that was on flight test, wasn't it?
[557.38] Jack: There was a, and you were near a river or something?
[560.9] Tony Cake: Yes, that was the European road trip.
[565.78] Tony Cake: That was pretty cool.
[567.78] Jack: And there was like, was that the flight fest European road trip with a nice hoodie and that,
[575.38] Jack: or was it that even before that?
[577.54] Jack: Because you were like on a paddle boat and everything, and the shoe gun was being released.
[582.18] Jack: Was that right?
[583.62] Tony Cake: That was, jeez, when was that? 2014?
[585.94] Jack: I remember watching that one.
[587.38] Jack: Oh my god, man, I am so old.
[590.82] Tony: Yeah, these guys came over.
[592.58] Tony: Was that gone that quick that time?
[595.86] Tony: 15, 16, 17, two years ago.
[598.66] Tony Cake: It's got to be more than two years ago.
[600.18] Tony Cake: Hold on, let me look that up.
[602.58] Tony Cake: That was a good trip.
[604.42] Jack: It was beautiful.
[605.22] Jack: Like some of the, yeah, some of the shots that you guys got with a little waterfall and everything,
[614.02] Jack: but how you didn't end up in the drink, I don't know.
[616.74] Jack: No GPS lock, no nothing.
[619.3] Tony Cake: It was like, it wasn't, I guess it was 2014.
[626.58] Tony Cake: Crikey.
[627.22] Tony Cake: Yeah, 2014.
[628.74] Tony Cake: I did learn one thing very important on that trip is you don't take people who are afraid
[633.7] Tony Cake: of heights on road trips in RVs around the Alps.
[642.74] Tony Cake: There was some scary moments, but good times.
[646.02] Tony: We've got, Mr. Frost has asked in the chat, will we see a Tramp V2 this year?
[652.58] Tony: Smaller and better was his question.
[656.66] Tony Cake: I guess I can bounce back with another question, which is,
[659.86] Tony Cake: what would people like to see better?
[662.18] Tony Cake: And how much smaller?
[664.98] Tony Cake: It is really small.
[668.66] Tony: How much smaller do you want it?
[673.94] Jack: That is so going to be a sound bite.
[676.18] Frank: Oh, dear.
[679.86] Frank: With all the WIFT Micros and things like that have been coming along for the two-inch size
[688.82] Frank: has been really popular over here, at least, over the past few months.
[695.06] Frank: There seems to be a load of them and really popular.
[699.3] Tony Cake: Choice of antenna connections.
[701.62] Frank: Yeah, that is what he's asking.
[704.42] Frank: When you get that, the UFL is being very popular.
[709.46] Tony Cake: No, I think the question there is probably related to MMCXs, which I personally absolutely detest.
[716.5] Andy: How is that?
[718.42] Andy: Because everyone likes them, who I know, because they are bigger and more hefty.
[722.58] Tony Cake: Well, the trouble is everyone wants the transmitters to go smaller,
[725.62] Tony Cake: but they want the connector to go bigger and more robust.
[730.34] Tony Cake: One of the issues with the MMCXs for anyone has actually used them.
[733.62] Tony Cake: You have either got the straight version, which really does not want to bend at all.
[737.86] Tony Cake: You have got this little tiny 15-millimeter-long transmitter with 20-millimeters worth of cable
[744.26] Tony Cake: coming out that you cannot bend where you want it, or you have got a right-angle connector.
[750.98] Tony Cake: Those things, again, they are just in the way.
[755.14] Tony Cake: For the little tiny stuff, I am definitely a proponent of the UFLs,
[758.82] Tony Cake: even though UFL is a connector for these applications is not ideal.
[764.26] Tony Cake: I do not know what the answer is for these things.
[771.7] Jack: Do you know what the gluey mastic stuff is called that you glue the...
[777.06] Jack: Because loads of people say hot glue is not recommended, and I found it once.
[782.02] Jack: It is called like...
[784.1] Jack: Yeah, it has got a number.
[787.62] Tony Cake: It is called...
[789.7] Tony Cake: Where is it?
[790.26] Tony Cake: Hold on.
[790.9] Tony Cake: Can we just call it production glue?
[794.34] Tony Cake: But it is called...
[797.46] Tony Cake: Kauster K1688.
[801.14] Jack: Can you put that in the chat thing?
[802.9] Andy: That is a catchy name for sure.
[804.82] Jack: Yeah, I have Googled it.
[807.62] Jack: It is on eBay, and it is not much money, but I cannot.
[811.7] Tony Cake: We would love to sell little tubes of it, but for us, it comes in these fairly hefty tubes
[816.02] Tony Cake: that we use in production.
[817.78] Tony Cake: And we have not been out of source yet, a small version of it.
[822.5] Tony Cake: Baby boy, yes, hot glue melts.
[823.94] Tony Cake: Do not use hot glue on video transmitters.
[827.62] Tony Cake: That was a sticky mess.
[830.5] Jack: Yeah, man, could you decant it?
[835.46] Jack: Could not you do that and just make a little production line of that, maybe?
[841.78] Tony Cake: We should do something, because I mean, a UFL with that stuff on is pretty good,
[845.86] Tony Cake: as long as you do not need to remove it a lot.
[849.54] Tony Cake: But my other beef with the MMCX is as equipment gets smaller,
[855.06] Tony Cake: is the removal force is pretty significant.
[858.18] Tony Cake: So you end up grabbing your transmitter with one hand and pulling on this thing,
[862.42] Tony Cake: which especially in winter, it really does not want to come out.
[866.26] Tony Cake: And it ends up damaging boards.
[868.74] Tony Cake: So it is okay if you have got a board which is rigidly mounted,
[871.94] Tony Cake: but if you have got a transmitter that is kind of floating,
[874.9] Tony Cake: double sided sticky tape or something, they are really not ideal.
[878.26] Tony Cake: But I know people love them.
[879.78] Tony Cake: So we might have to cave and put them on at least one of the products.
[884.02] Jack: Yeah, because like Joshua Bardwell, when you listen to him,
[887.14] Jack: he is like the UFL connectors, he only got like a use of 20 times or something like that.
[893.62] Tony Cake: But that is for the part that is on the antenna side.
[896.58] Tony Cake: It is not for the part that is on the transmitter.
[900.18] Tony Cake: So the transmitter side lasts a long time.
[903.22] Frank: Ah, that is cool.
[906.18] Tony Cake: Not many people know that.
[908.02] Frank: Another thing that has been mentioned in the chat by Bloods was a 20 by 20 form factor.
[916.58] Frank: And that has been mentioned quite a few times previously about VTXs is that they do not seem
[922.18] Frank: to match up with a form factor that sort of everything follows towards,
[926.26] Frank: which I guess is probably from a radio perspective that you are limited by
[931.38] Frank: how much you can change a form factor.
[933.3] Frank: I do not know.
[934.74] Tony Cake: No, we do have a bunch of stuff in the pipe.
[938.74] Tony Cake: Actually, I am just fishing to see what people want here.
[943.94] Tony Cake: But yeah, we have looked at all kinds of solutions for this.
[950.1] Tony Cake: The Tramp has done pretty well for us.
[952.18] Tony Cake: And I think we will see some little brothers and big brothers pretty soon.
[959.7] Tony Cake: So we definitely plan on continuing the family to meet the needs of the market.
[968.67] Jack: What do you mean by big brothers?
[970.51] Jack: What, the ex whatever class or aerial photography or?
[978.51] Tony Cake: Well, 36 by 36 is bigger.
[983.79] Tony Cake: I do not know.
[986.35] Tony Cake: There are several.
[988.59] Andy: The problem that I find sometimes, especially on sort of like the five inch class,
[993.15] Andy: is the VTX that I have been seeing, because they are sort of like above the flight controller,
[1000.43] Andy: which has sometimes regulators in there producing lots of noise,
[1005.71] Andy: I find that sometimes that is not useful having the VTX in a stack,
[1010.03] Andy: because especially if it is a noisy build in particular.
[1015.31] Andy: Some of my favorite builds actually have the VTX separate like the Tramp and the Unifi.
[1023.95] Tony Cake: This is one of the reasons why we have a metal can on it.
[1028.75] Tony Cake: It is not only to keep radiated emissions down for passing things like CE testing,
[1036.03] Tony Cake: but it is also to keep external noise out of the thing.
[1041.39] Tony Cake: So that does help a bit.
[1043.71] Andy: Jack, did you say you wanted to ask a question about the power meters?
[1048.27] Jack: Well, no, I was...
[1050.51] Jack: Well, yeah, I cannot wait to get hold of one and I want to see in that,
[1055.63] Jack: but I basically did a search on Facebook about the power testers and there was a lot of people,
[1063.15] Jack: hang on, let me just imagine...
[1066.91] Jack: There was a racing group that did a load of...
[1071.39] Jack: Basically a load of talking about the tester and I just wanted to say thank you,
[1077.55] Jack: because one of the guys from up in Scotland, basically, he said like,
[1085.15] Jack: yeah, it was an exclusive on let drone out and they just screenshot of you holding it
[1092.51] Jack: up from our show.
[1093.71] Jack: And I was like, oh, wow, we actually matter.
[1096.75] Jack: And we've done something and people are actually talking about us, not for like,
[1101.71] Jack: oh my God, I can't believe he said that to Grant from Fat Shark.
[1106.59] Jack: You know, so, yeah, if you...
[1109.63] Jack: Yeah, it was Mr. Thrust.
[1111.47] Jack: I knew it was one of you.
[1113.39] Jack: Yeah, if you do see him put in a good word and tell him I'm not that much of a dick,
[1116.99] Jack: because like, I had great fun, man.
[1119.39] Jack: You were like, I met you at the first International Drone Day show,
[1125.07] Jack: Mini Air Show number one.
[1126.83] Jack: So me and you go way back.
[1128.83] Jack: And also I can't wait for you to see the title card of this video once it's uploaded.
[1134.67] Jack: I've done a little bit of photoshopping really badly as well, just to make you smile.
[1140.91] Jack: Yeah, do you remember that t-shirt?
[1143.07] Jack: Yeah, what t-shirt?
[1145.87] Jack: I go down on my maintenance t-shirt.
[1148.43] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[1149.55] Jack: Yeah, so.
[1151.31] Jack: It's a great shirt.
[1152.03] Jack: Can I imagine what you've done?
[1153.87] Jack: Well, you know, no, it's not that bad.
[1156.27] Jack: It's not offensive.
[1157.39] Jack: But yeah, it took me...
[1158.67] Jack: I should have messaged you being like, yo, can I have a clean vector of the immersion RC stuff?
[1167.15] Jack: So...
[1167.47] Jack: You can do that.
[1168.43] Jack: I've got the sponsor video to add at the beginning.
[1172.35] Jack: Back in the original Mini Air Show 2.
[1176.59] Jack: But I haven't got any vectors or anything, so.
[1180.83] Tony: Okay, thanks.
[1181.47] Tony: I appreciate that.
[1182.27] Tony: I appreciate you got a nice, good question.
[1184.67] Tony: Yeah.
[1186.51] Tony: Are you going to do an NFC Android app?
[1189.55] Tony Cake: Yes.
[1190.03] Tony Cake: In fact, we promised it a long time ago.
[1193.55] Tony Cake: And we kind of got caught up in some other stuff.
[1195.63] Tony Cake: And I was never really happy with it, which is why we didn't do this in the first place.
[1200.59] Tony Cake: But we decided that we promised it and we will be releasing it.
[1206.51] Tony Cake: We're actually struggling to get it reliable enough.
[1209.95] Tony Cake: The wand, we have complete control of the hardware.
[1215.15] Tony Cake: So when these things are mounted up against carbon and, you know, the NFC
[1221.07] Tony Cake: resident frequency drifts off and all this kind of stuff,
[1223.71] Tony Cake: we have a fair number of things we can do to make it more reliable.
[1228.99] Tony Cake: In fact, we've just released an update to the wand, which is a lot better than the original one.
[1234.03] Tony Cake: But yeah, on the Android phones, I wasn't happy with it.
[1240.27] Tony Cake: And we will make it work.
[1241.79] Tony Cake: We have made it work.
[1243.15] Tony Cake: So expect to release probably the next couple of weeks, maybe less.
[1249.39] Tony: Quite near, not far.
[1250.99] Tony: Not long to white lads.
[1252.75] Tony Cake: Yeah, it works.
[1253.95] Tony Cake: It's pretty cool.
[1255.39] Tony Cake: It's I mean, I don't use Android phones, but I'm sure if you had one, it would actually be very,
[1260.91] Tony Cake: very cool.
[1263.39] Frank: Do you do a lot of event organizing or anything like that?
[1267.23] Frank: Because it seems like a lot of your products.
[1269.23] Frank: So like the RF meter, I mean, that was a huge boon as an event organizer,
[1274.83] Frank: that we could now pick out the people like, no, take that VTX, throw it away, go get a new one.
[1280.27] Jack: But it's useful for hammock.
[1282.35] Jack: Sorry to cut you off.
[1283.23] Frank: I mean, there's the lap RF stuff, the eight way lap RF.
[1290.11] Frank: I mean, we saw, I'm pretty sure it was a lap RF at last year's British Championships.
[1294.67] Frank: It turned out to be actually more reliable and just as accurate as the infrared
[1303.31] Frank: iLapse setup in a direct comparison.
[1307.31] Frank: So and that will just make it so much easier to organize things,
[1311.95] Frank: not having to deal with transponders.
[1314.75] Tony Cake: We used to be involved in kind of event management ourselves.
[1319.15] Tony Cake: And to be honest, a lot of the products that we designed were because of complete frustration.
[1328.19] Tony Cake: When you're running these events, and you know, the classic who turned on in the pits cry,
[1334.99] Tony Cake: you know, it's still happening today.
[1336.99] Tony Cake: But we wanted to eliminate it.
[1340.27] Tony Cake: And the timing stuff with these transponders, the IR stuff, I mean,
[1345.71] Tony Cake: the way these things were mounted on the quads at the last minute, and you know,
[1348.99] Tony Cake: soldered India PDB to get a five volt feed at the last minute, I mean, it just had to go away.
[1355.07] Tony Cake: So this is where the lap RF stuff came from.
[1359.55] Tony Cake: And we're very happy now that a lot of these events, you know, given these technologies,
[1365.63] Tony Cake: they're running quite smoothly without us.
[1367.23] Tony Cake: So we're, we're quite happy to stay in the office and design and
[1370.91] Tony Cake: let other people do the fun stuff of running events.
[1375.23] Frank: In fact, specific question about the lap RF.
[1379.71] Frank: So for the past couple of years at the mini air show, we've been doing team racing.
[1384.67] Frank: And the first year,
[1386.51] Frank: British Racing used loner infrared transponders.
[1395.71] Frank: And so they were having to be like, yeah, plugged in at the last minute and getting trashed and
[1399.07] Frank: having to be resoldered. And that was that was terrible. So we decided second year,
[1404.27] Frank: that we'd just get everyone to use their own transponders and rent them if they needed them.
[1409.63] Frank: But most people that were racing had them at the time.
[1412.59] Frank: And trying to, it's still a case of trying to connect all the transponder numbers to be
[1420.11] Frank: into one person. And it always just got a bit messy. And then there was
[1423.39] Frank: issues and it went horribly wrong. And we spent hours trying to fix the problem.
[1427.39] Frank: So we're hoping, do you have you, do you know of anyone who's had any experience with
[1433.63] Frank: lap RF eight way doing team racing? Because obviously you got the issues there of
[1439.23] Frank: turning on different VTXs and on the same channels to do.
[1445.79] Tony Cake: That's fine. We do that a lot. It's one of the only actually I think it's the only system out there
[1454.19] Tony Cake: that actually has some intelligent directional antennas. You know, just to every system out
[1460.03] Tony Cake: there has these off the shelf RF modules, which have so much gain, that you can't actually put
[1466.27] Tony Cake: an antenna on them. So they have, you know, just a little solder pad on the board. And when you
[1470.67] Tony Cake: look at the radiation pattern of these things, it's a bit like popcorn. You know, the eight way
[1474.83] Tony Cake: systems are a bit like, you know, eight different popcorn shapes that are all that are all different.
[1479.47] Tony Cake: And of course, that that's not good for anything. So this thing you can actually,
[1484.83] Tony Cake: it's actually got a real antenna, it's got a well defined beam shape. So you can aim it at the gate
[1491.47] Tony Cake: and away from where your pit area is where you're, you know, changing transmitters for,
[1497.55] Tony Cake: you know, swapping quads out for team racing. So yeah, I mean, it works fine.
[1501.55] Frank: And with it, because the other thing is we've got, so because I mean, other RF systems,
[1508.11] Frank: the kind of tune at the beginning, and then there's that trigger level. So then if like someone had
[1513.79] Frank: one VTX that was running at, you know, 28 milliwatts, and then someone else came up with
[1519.07] Frank: one that was running at 22 milliwatts, and the 22 milliwatt one isn't going to trigger it at
[1525.07] Tony Cake: the same point. This is, it's a lot smarter than that. I mean, yeah, there is some initial setup,
[1532.43] Tony Cake: but basically, it's okay, 25 milliwatt raise, 200, 600, whatever, whatever you're running.
[1539.07] Tony Cake: But once you set that up, I mean, quite honestly, that you can have a large
[1542.59] Tony Cake: variation in transmitter power, and it doesn't really care.
[1545.55] Jack: Can you, it does adapt on the fly. Can you exceed 600? Can the hardware take it or?
[1553.31] Tony Cake: Yeah, you could, you could exceed 600. I mean, you could, you could, yeah, you could probably do
[1557.55] Frank: races with one watt systems if you were that crazy. Are you thinking of some massive like silver stone
[1563.79] Jack: or something? Yeah, I don't know. What about the tramp? Is the tramp limited to 600?
[1570.83] Tony Cake: Actually, most of the ones that ship now are quite a bit more on max power mode. You know,
[1580.03] Tony Cake: what we realized is, initially, we calibrated everything. So we calibrated 25 to 25, and two
[1585.87] Tony Cake: milliwatts to be two milliwatts, and 200 to be 200, 600 to be 600. And what we realized is,
[1590.35] Tony Cake: what we really want is if they're running 600, they want it to be flat out. And if they want
[1595.55] Tony Cake: two milliwatts, they want it to be as low as possible. So now the calibration for the
[1600.19] Tony Cake: for the current tramps is for 25, very precise, all channels, and 200.
[1607.79] Tony Cake: There might be another other couple of settings in there. But yeah, max power is max and min is min.
[1612.59] Jack: I own three, no, I own four tramps. And one of them is unbelievably spot dead on on 25.
[1623.39] Jack: I was like, what the hell? And yeah, I should really pass it on to one of the one of the guys
[1630.11] Jack: up in. How'd you know? How'd you know is 25. Tony, my my Tony lent me his one. But I'm not
[1640.67] Tony Cake: allowed to. How'd you know? How'd you know that's accurate? You made it into another another
[1647.79] Tony Cake: interesting discussion. But just just keep that one on the stack. Because it's
[1652.35] Tony Cake: this is this is an interesting topic. I got one of those two.
[1656.99] Jack: I can't buy one. I can't only continue. Mine's a lot smaller than yours.
[1662.03] Tony: Damn it. When are they out? Yeah. They look nice on the ones. Yeah. So we are we done on timing?
[1669.47] Jack: I don't know. We wander off on a striker striker donated. Great. So you have 10 or more.
[1681.39] Tony: And it once you get the bubble of your VTX.
[1685.63] Tony: Perfect. It was it worked every lap is really good.
[1689.55] Tony: There makes you want to go faster, though.
[1692.91] Tony Cake: Yeah, the we knew we had a decent product when we we took out one of the first kind of prototypes.
[1700.35] Tony Cake: And there were there were three of us out there in the field by the by the office. And we set this
[1706.27] Tony Cake: thing up. And it was speaking the lap times. And the effect that it had on on our on our behavior
[1712.27] Tony Cake: was was beautiful. So many quads were broken. But yeah, the two and from of who got the fastest
[1720.43] Tony Cake: lap was was amazing. And we don't really race an awful lot. So this was cool.
[1724.19] Andy: So what's the difference with the the one that the meter that you've got there?
[1728.75] Tony Cake: But compared to the bigger one. All right. So so what were the problems with the original one?
[1736.83] Tony Cake: The original one was too bloody expensive. Although that said, when it hit the market
[1744.59] Tony Cake: many years ago, you couldn't buy a comparable product for less than about a grand. Yeah.
[1751.55] Tony Cake: So even today, there aren't many options for this.
[1754.99] Frank: It was that there's been like a few every event I've been to of people testing. So it's it can't
[1763.15] Tony Cake: be that bad. So the other thing is, is that I think it's only in very recent times that last
[1771.31] Tony Cake: four months that people really figured out how to use it and what it's useful for.
[1778.35] Tony Cake: You know, I explained to the famous Joe Scully months and months ago how he can actually do a
[1783.95] Tony Cake: quick test on the line to to look for transmitters that are screwed up or too high power, too low
[1791.47] Tony Cake: power, screwed up antennas. So he could just literally had his his power meter with an antenna
[1798.51] Tony Cake: on and he'd walk down the line. And anyone who was who was too much or too little power would
[1804.51] Tony Cake: be taken out of the race and the race would run smoothly. And generally, it would be a bad cable
[1807.87] Tony Cake: or bad antenna or blown up transmitter or something. And I think that kind of use kind
[1813.31] Tony Cake: of spread. And our last remaining stock of these things because we haven't built them in a while
[1818.43] Tony Cake: kind of dissolved overnight. Yes, it's the new one. So the old one was too expensive. The display
[1826.75] Tony Cake: that we used was getting difficult to find. The external battery was a pain in the ass.
[1832.43] Tony Cake: The external battery was a pain in the ass. The the older one was is calibrated at the SMA.
[1840.27] Tony Cake: And one of the things that people find and we found is that that means the the quality of the
[1847.31] Tony Cake: attenuator has a big effect on the results. So the accuracy of the results. So we went to all
[1854.03] Tony Cake: of this effort to calibrate this thing very precisely right at the SMA. And the first thing
[1858.91] Tony Cake: we asked people to do is put on this big relatively expensive attenuator, which is
[1864.35] Tony Cake: not as precise as a manufacturer claimed it was. That would be this, by the way. That thing. Yeah.
[1871.63] Jack: Tumor. Yeah. So we are not tumor. Is it 30 decibels, isn't it? 30. Yes. Could be 29.
[1883.87] Tony Cake: They're really they're not as good as a manufacturer says they are. So yeah,
[1887.07] Tony Cake: so what we decided to do and this was kind of just a just a background project
[1892.75] Tony Cake: as we decided to make one that solves all of this. So here it is. It's a new one. So we call
[1898.35] Jack: it the Toblerone. You're going to be 30 percent less because that's what happened in the country
[1904.51] Tony Cake: and it really sucks and we're all really annoyed. So this is this doesn't have all the final labels
[1910.35] Jack: and everything on your, but your accent's from Jersey, isn't it? Sorry. Someone just asked
[1916.35] Tony Cake: Darcy. It shouldn't dang gate. Can you be said for so? Yeah. So you can
[1923.15] Tony Cake: back off like that and you've got a lovely little lithium ion battery inside a 10 or 40 last.
[1933.39] Tony Cake: Okay. So it's self-powered. It's USB charged because we like USB.
[1942.43] Tony Cake: And we built in the attenuator. So it's got a nice 30 do attenuator right in inside.
[1951.15] Tony Cake: It's got a beautiful OLED display. It's not final software. So it's going to be a lot better
[1959.07] Tony Cake: than before. It's got a little joystick going in and out of the menus and stuff.
[1966.19] Tony Cake: And we're actually calibrating it right at the right at the SMA. So now this thing is going to be
[1971.87] Andy: a lot more precise. I'll be buying one. You've sold me already because I use my power meter a
[1978.43] Andy: lot because I do reviews. So people, you know, I get a lot of stuff through that claim certain
[1983.39] Andy: powers and people want to know that. So yeah, I'll be buying one. So how long until we can get
[1990.27] Tony Cake: this one? I'm actually heading to our factory in China at the end of next week. And the first ones
[1998.35] Tony Cake: are going to be rolling off the production line. So assuming it all goes well, we've got to just
[2003.79] Tony Cake: finalize the test and the calibration setup, which is actually why I questioned the 25 milliwatt
[2009.47] Tony Cake: comment before is test and measurement kind of accuracy and calibration is a real pain in the
[2018.11] Tony Cake: ass. Because everything is kind of dependent on other standards that you you know, the standard
[2027.47] Tony Cake: used to calibrate this stuff can cost an unlimited amount of money. And as you throw more money at it,
[2033.71] Tony Cake: the accuracy gets better. At some point, you got to you got to say stop. So I do chuckle on some of
[2041.15] Tony Cake: these, these Facebook pages where someone's got the existing parameter hooked up to a transmitter
[2046.67] Tony Cake: saying, hey, it's, you know, it's 29 milliwatts, not 25. If you look at the accuracy, the specified
[2054.51] Tony Cake: accuracy of the device and of the attenuator, you know, the actual range is much wider than that.
[2063.15] Tony Cake: But that's, that's not what that meter was designed for. That meter was designed to give
[2067.39] Tony Cake: some visibility into RF power measurements by people who, you know, don't want to put down a
[2073.23] Andy: grand on a piece of test gear. So I think when I bought the original, it was only available at
[2078.67] Andy: Hobbyking. Is that going to be the same for this one? Oh, no, this will come from everywhere. I
[2084.11] Andy: don't think we ever restricted where this one comes from. Maybe it was just I mean, it's only
[2089.07] Andy: where I could find where I could buy it from here anyways, I think, in the UK. It wasn't very
[2094.67] Tony Cake: popular initially, because people didn't know how to use it. Yeah. So are we allowed to talk about
[2101.87] Andy: the price? Is it going to be a lot cheaper than the original? It's gonna be cheaper. To be honest,
[2108.27] Tony Cake: I don't know what the price is yet. Okay, sure. You know, there's various ways to run a business
[2113.39] Tony Cake: as you can run a business where somebody in the boardroom says, hey, we need a power meter for
[2117.23] Tony Cake: $39. And the engineers run off and they see what they can build for $39. The way we work is we
[2123.71] Tony Cake: design the product that we that we want that you know, we'd be happy to use ourselves. And then we
[2129.87] Tony Cake: we put it through production and everything gets priced up and bulk pricing, all this kind of stuff.
[2135.79] Tony Cake: And then we figure out what it costs us. And then, you know, we figure out the final price. So I know
[2140.75] Tony Cake: roughly, it's going to be a fair bit less than the original. That's cool. Because I was ready to pay
[2146.35] Jack: the same price anyways, because it's it's a really. Stop talking.
[2156.67] Jack: Andy RC making all the monies. Now he's with
[2161.07] Jack: not fat shark. Who you with now? Who you working for? I work for myself always. I work for the
[2166.35] Jack: people Jack. Yes. Like I believe that he's soon going to be going to get accused of working for
[2172.91] Jack: Immersion RC. I am essentially fat shark again. So we've just been given the answers to that two
[2180.67] Andy: different companies. Although people tell me all the time, oh, Immersion RC and fat shark are the
[2185.63] Andy: same company. Well, now I can say definitely not. You did all the same company. We share a lot of
[2191.55] Tony Cake: resources we share. We both build in the same factory. So yeah. Speaking of that factory,
[2203.23] Jack: yeah. And Hobbyking. One of my questions was, do you remember, I think it got taken down,
[2210.27] Jack: but do you remember like a Hobbyking daily video back when? Yeah, I know. Back when.
[2223.31] Jack: What was his name? No, who else was was it as well? You know, the guy from Suffolk.
[2234.67] Andy: Suffolk. Anyway, I have no idea what you guys are on about.
[2243.46] Jack: All right, Warwick. Yeah. Well, one of them chucked a pair of fat shark goggles from on the line on
[2248.42] Jack: the floor. And there was like absolute uproar about it. But I was there for that. It was,
[2254.5] Jack: it was kind of funny in a second. The poor guy, like, you know, the Chinese guy who lost in
[2259.94] Jack: translation was like, you know, sorry, bowing to him. Like, what have we done wrong? So what
[2265.7] Tony Cake: happened is, so Warwick asked Greg in the morning for a set of just plastic, plastic shell, an old
[2273.62] Tony Cake: plastic shell that he could do the stunt with. Stewart made videos because they don't make good
[2282.9] Tony Cake: videos anymore because Stewart is in there. Warwick asked for this set of shells and wanted
[2291.46] Tony Cake: to do the stunt on the production floor. So we're all down on the production floor, you know,
[2295.86] Tony Cake: lined up around him and he's doing his thing and he takes this goggle shell and throws it on the
[2300.98] Tony Cake: floor. As he did that, the production manager who was an amazing chap, he's walking by and he sees
[2309.94] Tony Cake: this set of goggles being thrown onto the floor and he was absolutely devastated. And we realised
[2316.98] Jack: we'd never actually clued him in that we were doing this. Are you just making it up? Are you
[2322.74] Tony Cake: definitely 100% like this? Oh yeah, it was all staged. So he was devastated. Of course,
[2331.06] Tony Cake: this got published in a video and social media exploded with a lack of respect for Chinese
[2337.7] Tony Cake: workmanship and all this kind of stuff. So yeah, it was interesting. Oh man.
[2347.79] Tony: Can we ask you what that is above your head? Should we go there already or not?
[2353.23] Tony: It's a park.
[2354.27] Tony: I've got, hang on.
[2355.63] Jack: That is a certain diet.
[2357.87] Jack: Left a bit.
[2359.23] Jack: No, hang on. I've got two questions.
[2363.55] Jack: Drew goes, what's with the Umway Y patch? Is it any good compared to the helical?
[2370.75] Andy: A what?
[2372.51] Andy: Oh, I've been asked to review that and I didn't know anything about it either.
[2376.59] Andy: Yeah, it's like a Y shaped antenna that Umway are releasing. I don't know anything about it either.
[2386.56] Tony Cake: I've tested a bunch of stuff they've released and none of it has impressed me, but I'm biased.
[2392.16] Jack: Okay. Do you want to go to the Room 101? Do you remember that TV show? Anyone?
[2398.24] Jack: Yeah, it's good.
[2398.96] Jack: Yeah. Do you want to do the live unboxing?
[2404.0] Jack: This one?
[2404.72] Jack: Yeah, yeah. Go grab it. And guys, I've only got about another 10 or 20 minutes, I think, before
[2415.2] Jack: I'm doing a Thursday night show, the 80s music at 10 o'clock on the Thursday night show.
[2421.92] Jack: I will post a link in the chat. But yeah, carry on guys.
[2427.62] Tony: Are we presenting, Anthony?
[2431.3] Tony Cake: Yes, I'm presenting. Is that why I got big?
[2433.78] Tony: Yes, you got big.
[2436.42] Tony Cake: Yeah, so this this is kind of cool. I think this is one of the first ones I had to beg for this,
[2440.9] Tony Cake: but I think this is one of the first ones. And we've been we've been talking for years that the
[2448.1] Tony Cake: you know, this market is kind of it's not growing at a very fast rate. And why not should we
[2452.26] Tony Cake: might actually be shrinking, depending on how you measure it. And one of the one of the reasons I
[2457.54] Tony Cake: believe is it's so bloody difficult for somebody a newb to get into this. If you think about what
[2465.7] Tony Cake: what you need to do, you can't buy a decent, all in one ready to fly
[2470.98] Tony Cake: system with with all the parts you need. So that's what this thing is.
[2474.9] Tony Cake: So in fact, sure, I put this out. And it's I think it's kind of cool.
[2482.58] Andy: So so did it emerge and ask you have anything to do with this or we threw some ideas in this,
[2489.54] Tony Cake: especially these begged begged to have some gates in the box. These things are awesome.
[2496.5] Tony Cake: Ready for it.
[2501.22] Tony Cake: Brilliant.
[2502.74] Tony Cake: There's two of those in there.
[2504.66] Tony Cake: Which is kind of cool. It's got a very clever little cardboard stand that they
[2509.78] Tony Cake: and unlike most pop up tents, I can actually close these up.
[2513.14] Tony Cake: It was quite action gates. I mean, we keep them in the office kind of unwrapped because we can't
[2519.22] Jack: actually fold them up anymore. I've got a question here from BSM web. And it also
[2526.58] Jack: and the RC is dying to know is the one on one available in mode one?
[2531.62] Jack: Oh, yeah, I don't think so.
[2533.7] Andy: Yeah, why would you want to do that?
[2537.14] Andy: I bet I could make it mode one.
[2541.06] Tony Cake: Yeah.
[2543.22] Tony Cake: Um, so so the other things are in it. So that that's the gate. I love the gates.
[2548.18] Tony Cake: These things are actually surprisingly bloody cool.
[2552.42] Tony Cake: Stolen from Google.
[2555.3] Tony Cake: Well, they're, they're, they're not that much bigger than a regular looks like it is there
[2561.06] Tony Cake: than a regular micro display. It's not one of these kind of boxes that hangs off your face.
[2565.7] Tony Cake: My foot there, you know, they got some cool little features.
[2572.02] Tony Cake: 18650 in the bottom USB charged.
[2575.46] Tony Cake: So no, no battery hanging off the strap, which is cool.
[2580.5] Tony Cake: I don't know. They're just on the display. I'm extremely fussy when it comes to goggles.
[2585.14] Tony Cake: Mainly because my eyesight is failing with old age. But yeah, the, the, the image on them is
[2590.18] Tony Cake: actually, I can get the camera to see it.
[2592.58] Andy: What kind of lens is it using? Is it Fresno or proper?
[2595.7] Andy: Like it's proper stuff.
[2600.58] Tony Cake: Yeah. So it's a, it's a beautiful lens.
[2602.9] Tony Cake: That is nice.
[2604.26] Tony Cake: And you've got, you've got stuff up top channels and RSSIs and all this kind of stuff.
[2610.74] Tony Cake: So no, these, these are actually, I would use these as my, as my primary goggles.
[2616.02] Tony Cake: I mean, they're pretty good. So that to me is worth the price of the package alone.
[2621.3] Tony Cake: So pretty, pretty impressed with those.
[2625.7] Tony Cake: And then I'll skip the quad to last.
[2629.86] Tony Cake: This thing, I think is rather cool.
[2633.86] Tony Cake: That looks nice.
[2634.5] Tony Cake: So it's a tiny little radio with some real gimbals.
[2638.9] Jack: You need, you need something mode one though.
[2641.14] Jack: BSM web's kicking off.
[2642.58] Andy: He says it might be possible to change it.
[2646.9] Andy: If it's proper gimbals, you could definitely swap out.
[2649.7] Tony Cake: Yeah, it is proper gimbals.
[2651.46] Jack: Yeah. That's not helping the learning curve.
[2653.94] Jack: You're going to have to scare him with a screwdriver.
[2656.02] Tony Cake: That is true.
[2657.38] Tony Cake: But, but for this, this is actually designed for people who don't know what mode one and mode two are.
[2662.42] Andy: So I would recommend that anyone starting out to go mode two,
[2668.02] Andy: you'll just make life so much easier for you.
[2670.5] Andy: So that makes sense.
[2673.94] Tony Cake: But I'm almost sure it can be swapped over.
[2676.9] Tony Cake: Yeah, it's got a couple of switches.
[2678.42] Tony Cake: It actually sits nice for pinchers and for the thumb guys.
[2682.42] Tony Cake: So this is actually pretty impressive.
[2685.86] Tony Cake: I've personally flown this thing with a Vortex 150 and tested the range.
[2691.54] Tony Cake: And it's impressive.
[2693.22] Tony Cake: For a small radio, it's more than you need.
[2697.22] Tony Cake: So that's kind of cool.
[2701.06] Tony Cake: Batteries included.
[2702.02] Tony Cake: Always a good thing.
[2704.26] Tony Cake: And then this little guy.
[2709.26] Tony Cake: It looks like a shark.
[2711.9] Tony Cake: Funny that.
[2713.1] Tony Cake: It's actually, it's interesting for several reasons.
[2716.46] Tony Cake: So first of all, it actually flies pretty well.
[2718.14] Tony Cake: Runs a beta flight, obviously.
[2721.58] Tony Cake: It's actually one of the reasons for the shark trade,
[2723.34] Tony Cake: it actually hides antennas in the fins.
[2725.9] Tony Cake: So there's no antenna to break off on this thing.
[2729.26] Tony Cake: It's actually built into the frame.
[2730.7] Jack: I'm sure Tony can find a way.
[2733.26] Tony Cake: Actually, but just if I get the light, just try.
[2734.86] Tony Cake: You can actually see the antenna in the tail there.
[2736.78] Tony Cake: I think that's the 2.4 gig.
[2738.7] Tony Cake: And then in the top is the 5.8 gig dipole.
[2743.74] Tony Cake: And it's pretty nice.
[2745.66] Tony Cake: I mean, the motors are a fair bit bigger than the tiny one.
[2750.22] Tony Cake: What size are they?
[2751.18] Tony Cake: 8mm?
[2751.66] Tony Cake: 10mm?
[2752.46] Tony Cake: I think they're 8mm.
[2753.9] Tony Cake: Actually comes with spare ones.
[2756.54] Tony Cake: Yeah, they're 8mm.
[2759.66] Andy: BMS Web says he's got one coming on the way.
[2762.22] Andy: So look out for that video for sure.
[2764.54] Jack: I'm loving Drew's comment.
[2771.9] Jack: The goggle looks great to me, but no diversity.
[2775.02] Jack: Obviously.
[2775.5] Jack: This is.
[2776.38] Tony Cake: I don't know what diversity is.
[2781.9] Tony Cake: But yeah, it comes with all the USB cables
[2784.7] Tony Cake: and there's a nice little charger.
[2787.02] Tony Cake: Nice little fat shark charger for the batteries.
[2789.66] Tony Cake: The batteries actually left in the office,
[2791.02] Tony Cake: so they're not here.
[2792.38] Tony Cake: I think it's a very interesting bundle.
[2795.82] Tony Cake: I mean, I wasn't that involved in the development of it.
[2799.1] Tony Cake: I kind of been peering in for the last year.
[2802.3] Tony Cake: And to be honest, I'm very impressed with what they've done.
[2806.54] Tony Cake: So I hope it brings some new blood into our hobby here.
[2811.26] Tony Cake: I don't think it's badly needed.
[2814.46] Tony: Yeah.
[2815.58] Tony Cake: So there we go.
[2816.38] Tony Cake: Is that the first unboxing?
[2818.38] Tony Cake: That'd be good.
[2820.06] Tony: Good hand to eye coordination, these little rats.
[2823.82] Tony Cake: Yeah, and yeah, it comes.
[2825.5] Tony Cake: I guess it comes with a free simulator
[2826.94] Tony Cake: and some other stuff as well, which is kind of smart.
[2833.3] Tony Cake: Yeah.
[2835.3] Frank: So how, I guess it's about a year, is it?
[2839.06] Frank: Since the Vortex 150 came out.
[2842.26] Frank: Yes.
[2844.26] Frank: I mean, there's been some more development
[2846.02] Frank: since then with the Vortex line, I believe.
[2848.5] Frank: There's been the Modo.
[2850.5] Frank: The 180.
[2852.5] Frank: And the 180, yeah.
[2854.5] Tony Cake: No, the 150 did good.
[2856.18] Tony Cake: The 150 was kind of intentionally not underpowered,
[2861.38] Tony Cake: but it wasn't overpowered to get some newcomers
[2864.9] Tony Cake: into the sport.
[2865.94] Tony Cake: I think it did pretty well.
[2868.42] Tony Cake: And then the Crazies wanted a little more power.
[2871.7] Tony Cake: So we brought out the 180,
[2873.14] Tony Cake: which is at home on just about any track.
[2877.46] Tony Cake: So that's done well.
[2878.26] Tony Cake: And recently the Mojo, which is, for me,
[2882.98] Tony Cake: it's one of the most dialed-in quads I've ever flown.
[2886.9] Tony Cake: Of course, highly, highly biased.
[2890.82] Jack: As you have every right to be.
[2893.46] Jack: I've got a treat for you guys.
[2895.54] Jack: If any of you wanted to know what the editor looks like, he's there.
[2900.9] Jack: Hiding in the shadows.
[2902.1] Jack: Just the shadows, yeah.
[2903.22] Jack: Do you want me to bring him forward?
[2904.74] Jack: Hang on.
[2905.22] Jack: Bring him into the light.
[2907.14] Jack: Come forth, editor, and deliver your message of freedom.
[2911.38] Jack: Give a thank you from me.
[2913.46] Jack: Come here.
[2913.94] Jack: You've got to say thank you, Mikey Dred.
[2916.02] Jack: Because he's...
[2916.66] Jack: No, just...
[2917.38] Jack: Oh, you can...
[2917.86] Jack: Yeah, do you want to see it?
[2918.66] Jack: Oh, come.
[2919.38] Jack: Sorry.
[2919.7] Jack: Oh, he's joining in, everyone.
[2922.18] Jack: I'm sharing a...
[2924.26] Jack: This is a treat.
[2924.9] Jack: This is because Mikey Dred.
[2926.34] Jack: See that guy there?
[2928.42] Jack: He donated.
[2929.38] Jack: You're going to edit for us once a month.
[2930.98] (Editor): Thank you.
[2931.38] (Editor): You've given me a job.
[2932.98] Jack: Yeah.
[2933.54] Jack: Where were you working before?
[2935.3] Jack: No, thank you.
[2935.86] Jack: I've been.
[2941.38] Jack: Where did you quit, Costas?
[2942.74] (Editor): Yeah.
[2943.38] (Editor): How bad was it?
[2944.58] (Editor): Very.
[2944.98] (Editor): I'd literally walked out.
[2948.02] Jack: At least you haven't got gout anymore.
[2949.86] Jack: True.
[2950.66] Jack: He's got a painless badge on as well, weirdly enough.
[2953.38] (Editor): Where at?
[2954.34] Jack: That's a bit weird.
[2955.3] (Editor): Shakira.
[2956.66] Jack: No.
[2957.14] Jack: Oh, that's a bit...
[2958.02] Jack: I might have to let him know about that.
[2959.86] Jack: That's a bit odd.
[2961.22] Jack: But yeah, this is the editor.
[2963.14] Jack: Him and Tony don't get along.
[2965.38] Jack: Why not?
[2966.26] Jack: Even though they're both vegan,
[2968.1] Jack: because Tony makes him do stuff and nags him
[2970.58] Jack: and sends really awful emails.
[2972.9] Jack: Like, if you send him like really bad emails,
[2975.22] Jack: like bad punctuation, he gets really angry
[2977.46] Jack: and starts having a go at me as if it's my fault.
[2979.54] Jack: I'm like, he's dyslexic.
[2980.98] Andy: Does he also believe the Earth is flat?
[2984.26] Jack: Do you believe the Earth is flat?
[2985.86] Andy: No.
[2987.78] Andy: That's where the arguments stem from.
[2990.18] Andy: Well done, mate.
[2991.46] Jack: So me and him tonight, on the Thursday Night Show,
[2994.82] Jack: the Thursday Night Show, all one word, dot com,
[2998.9] Jack: we are doing basically a gay,
[3004.34] Jack: 80s ballad, muscular vagina,
[3011.86] Jack: sort of 80s night.
[3013.3] Jack: It's like we're just getting more work here.
[3015.46] Jack: Yeah.
[3016.74] Jack: Yeah.
[3017.06] Jack: I don't know.
[3017.7] Jack: No, he likes that.
[3019.14] Jack: Yeah.
[3020.18] Jack: 80s love night.
[3021.78] Jack: The only way I can describe it, it would be like,
[3025.3] Jack: it's like a disco in a care home.
[3027.46] (Editor): But it's 80s.
[3031.22] (Editor): Yeah.
[3031.62] (Editor): So I actually just came back from a disco in a care home.
[3034.98] (Editor): Really?
[3035.46] (Editor): Yeah.
[3036.1] (Editor): Nice.
[3036.82] Jack: So yeah, reliving the podcast that we used to do together.
[3040.26] Jack: So we're going to set up after the show
[3041.78] Jack: and come tune and join in.
[3043.86] Jack: Sorry, Anthony.
[3044.66] Jack: Carry on.
[3045.78] Jack: Please, please show us more of your wares.
[3049.06] Tony Cake: I've lost what I was saying there.
[3050.74] Tony Cake: It was all very interesting.
[3053.46] Tony Cake: No, that's a one on one, but it's kind of cool.
[3057.3] Tony Cake: It's very cool.
[3057.94] Tony Cake: I've seen some reviews once it hits.
[3061.38] Tony Cake: You know what is extremely good at is sitting in a street side bar
[3067.62] Tony Cake: and torturing Chinese passerby's,
[3072.1] Tony Cake: which we did actually do during testing.
[3076.26] Tony Cake: And it was an amazing amount of fun.
[3079.22] Andy: I bet.
[3080.82] Andy: Oh, man.
[3082.66] Andy: Jack, before we went live, you mentioned something about TBS and Immersion RC.
[3089.78] Andy: What was that all about?
[3090.9] Andy: Oh, God.
[3091.38] Jack: Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole?
[3093.86] Andy: Well, I don't know what is...
[3095.38] Andy: I don't know what...
[3096.1] Andy: I didn't understand what you were talking about.
[3097.86] Andy: It sounded interesting.
[3100.18] Tony Cake: We're getting married.
[3103.06] Andy: It's becoming one company.
[3105.86] Andy: It's going to be the smart audio.
[3110.02] Jack: So you remember me telling you about George Michael.
[3114.74] Jack: Now, Anthony's George Michael, and then Trappie's the guy that he loved,
[3123.22] Jack: who unfortunately died of AIDS.
[3125.14] Jack: I can't remember his name, and he wrote that Jesus song about it.
[3132.02] Tony: All I can say is Jesus Christ.
[3134.5] Tony: Is that all the information I'm going to get about this?
[3138.58] Jack: I don't know.
[3139.3] Jack: That's all there is, I think.
[3140.66] Jack: No, you guys had a falling out or something,
[3143.86] Jack: and then, like, Chad helped you make up,
[3147.22] Jack: and I saw a post where you guys were friends again,
[3150.34] Jack: and that's all I remember, and I don't know what happened.
[3154.42] Tony Cake: Maybe all of this is just a show to keep the social media sites happy.
[3158.74] Frank: I was wondering that.
[3159.78] Frank: I mean, is it just...
[3161.46] Andy: It's like blur and oasis when they had the pretend feud kind of thing, is it?
[3166.66] Frank: Social media marketing strategy.
[3170.5] Frank: It could be that.
[3171.7] Tony Cake: It definitely could be that.
[3174.34] Jack: Don't know how to...
[3176.34] Jack: Oh, the editor's sat here, and he can't hear as well.
[3179.46] (Editor): I feel like I'm just sitting here, like...
[3183.14] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[3183.94] Jack: He's got, like, nine more minutes of this, no fun.
[3186.42] Andy: Jack, because the editor's sat next to you,
[3188.42] Andy: do you feel like you can't swear?
[3190.42] Andy: Because you know every time that you do, your friend...
[3193.38] Jack: Yeah, he's got a ruler right there,
[3195.14] Jack: and he'll hit me with it if I swear.
[3197.62] Jack: Like, it's the worst.
[3199.86] Jack: No, I mean...
[3202.18] Jack: Like, me and you, like, our old podcast is full of cuss words, and...
[3206.74] (Editor): Like, every other word was a swear word.
[3208.66] Jack: The heinous, hang on, yeah.
[3211.46] (Editor): Was that heinous?
[3212.66] (Editor): Too late, I've said it now, I'm not being myself.
[3214.34] Jack: Hainous.
[3216.1] Jack: Yeah, sorry, we are...
[3217.22] Jack: You know, you thought me and Tony were, like, a married couple,
[3219.62] Jack: like, me and him go, like, way back.
[3223.14] Frank: Anyway, if we didn't get anywhere with TBS,
[3225.3] Frank: what about Get FPV?
[3228.18] Frank: Jack had something to say about Get FPV.
[3230.1] Jack: Yeah, and how you've got away with the, you know, like, restricted,
[3238.26] Jack: special US compliant...
[3242.58] Tony Cake: Yeah, they actually see stuff.
[3243.94] Jack: Yeah, man.
[3244.58] Jack: Do you reckon you guys are gonna face problems with that,
[3247.7] Jack: or do you reckon it's gonna get a lot tighter?
[3249.7] Tony Cake: No, no, I think we did the right thing years ago.
[3254.42] Tony Cake: We sat around a campfire on the flight test European vacation,
[3260.02] Tony Cake: and the crazy seed was planted for a raceband.
[3264.1] Tony Cake: So we kind of invented raceband around a campfire for one reason,
[3268.34] Tony Cake: which is to keep the FCC happy.
[3270.9] Tony Cake: Because in the US, assuming you've got a ham license,
[3276.34] Tony Cake: I mean, let's assume everyone's got one, which is not always the case.
[3279.78] Tony Cake: You basically have a certain band you can use,
[3283.78] Tony Cake: and the transmitters available at the time were either the IRC Fat Shark Band,
[3288.18] Tony Cake: which is a little tiny part of it, without good enough channel spacing,
[3291.86] Tony Cake: or these BOSCOM E-band, which were completely outside the band and illegal to sell.
[3299.14] Tony Cake: So we came up with a raceband, which took the band that the US can use
[3303.38] Tony Cake: and split it into eight channels with some guard bands at the end.
[3309.22] Tony Cake: And we did that for the retailers in the US who wanted to stay nice and legal.
[3315.14] Tony Cake: Actually, I've got to give a call out to ready-made IRC there,
[3318.42] Tony Cake: because these guys have been handing us, since about 2014,
[3323.3] Tony Cake: to make sure that the stuff that they sell is not going to upset the FCC,
[3328.18] Tony Cake: and it looks like it finally paid off.
[3331.06] Tony Cake: But yeah, there's three versions of the Tramp.
[3334.26] Tony Cake: There's International, which is an audio one.
[3337.3] Tony Cake: There's the FCC one, and there's the CE one.
[3340.5] Tony Cake: So the CE one's 25 milliwatts, CE certified, all the testing done.
[3344.82] Tony Cake: That's legal for Southern Europe.
[3346.26] Tony Cake: And the US one can be imported into the US, keeps the FCC very happy.
[3351.86] Tony Cake: And yeah, and you only miss like two or three channels of the E-band,
[3357.06] Tony Cake: so it doesn't really matter.
[3360.88] Jack: So there's not many, like raceband really does fall apart on the Euro one, which sucks, I find.
[3372.8] Tony Cake: Yes, yeah, the Euro band is fairly narrow, unfortunately.
[3380.4] Frank: I think, is it channels race one and two, and seven and eight or something,
[3385.76] Frank: are both cut off, I believe.
[3387.84] Frank: Hang on, I'm just looking now.
[3390.88] Tony: What's on race one?
[3392.72] Tony Cake: Navy boy, what's this thing about not to buy the FCC one?
[3398.72] Tony: Bob did a video saying that the FCC regulate one, he said not to buy it.
[3404.72] Jack: Where is the raceband?
[3408.56] Frank: The one that the FCC slaps get FPV on the rest for, maybe?
[3413.12] Frank: I don't know.
[3416.56] Tony: That was last week, wasn't it?
[3418.08] Andy: Yeah.
[3420.24] Andy: Bit more than a slap as well.
[3422.32] Jack: Yeah, three, four, five and six, and they're the only channels available on the European one.
[3430.48] Tony Cake: You know, there are several ways to do this stuff.
[3433.04] Tony Cake: One is to do what most of the Chinese companies do and say,
[3436.08] Tony Cake: screw it, we're going to sell whatever the hell we want.
[3439.36] Tony Cake: Or you can do the crazy thing that we did and do our best to become legal wherever we are.
[3446.88] Tony Cake: And it costs a lot of money.
[3447.92] Tony Cake: I mean, the CE certification and the testing is a few grand each time for each revision of
[3453.76] Tony Cake: the transmitter.
[3455.36] Tony Cake: But it does mean that EU resellers can sell this stuff without being worried about a fine
[3461.92] Tony Cake: from off-com.
[3462.96] Tony Cake: And now in the US, this isn't going to be the last situation with the FCC.
[3469.44] Tony Cake: So I guess we're pretty happy that we can actually sell something there that keeps them happy.
[3473.68] Tony: Yeah.
[3475.36] Tony: What was I going to say?
[3476.24] Tony: I can put the link in the chat if you want to have a click and look at what Bardwell says.
[3482.96] Tony Cake: Yeah, I don't have time to watch your name.
[3486.8] Jack: Yeah, man, I'm not.
[3488.72] Jack: Zero, man, I'm surprised you didn't post it.
[3491.92] Jack: Zero is quiet nowadays.
[3493.44] Jack: I don't think he wants to do the work on the old chat.
[3499.76] Jack: But yeah, it's nice to know that you are doing the right thing and you can get hold
[3509.44] Jack: of these things without risk of prosecution.
[3512.64] Tony Cake: Let me explain the David Boyd comment.
[3514.32] Tony Cake: So the only difference between a US tramp and the international one is just these few
[3524.08] Tony Cake: channels right at the edges of the bands that you shouldn't be using anyhow.
[3527.12] Tony Cake: That's the only difference.
[3527.92] Tony Cake: The power level is everything else exactly the same.
[3533.2] Tony Cake: As far as FCC regulation, the US is actually pretty cool in that for Hamgear, there is no
[3541.44] Tony Cake: real test standard.
[3544.4] Tony Cake: If we go to our test lab, either in Germany or in China, and we say, OK, test for Hamuse in the US,
[3552.72] Tony Cake: they'll look at us with the blanks there because there basically aren't any standards.
[3558.32] Tony Cake: Ham radio operators in the US are kind of trusted to be in control of their own gear
[3565.28] Tony Cake: and to test their own gear.
[3566.96] Tony Cake: So actually, the US is extremely lucky at this point in that we can legally import
[3572.32] Tony Cake: without any fancy paperwork and resellers can legally sell, again, without any fancy paperwork.
[3579.6] Tony Cake: All they need to do is to inform you, inform the customer that they need a Ham license to use it
[3585.36] Tony Cake: and whether or not the customer really has a Ham license.
[3587.84] Tony Cake: I mean, that's a different question.
[3591.36] Tony Cake: The situation in the US is actually very good and I just hope it stays that way.
[3596.48] Frank: So does that mean then that if the owner is on the user and not the seller,
[3601.2] Frank: does that mean that users in America are at risk of having a slap on the wrist from the FCC?
[3607.12] Tony Cake: They are, but the FCC doesn't have 10,000 police running around.
[3616.48] Tony Cake: It's far easier to go after the resellers.
[3618.24] Tony Cake: And the one thing that we realized many years ago is the FCC gets really upset
[3623.84] Tony Cake: when you transmit outside of the legal bands.
[3628.4] Tony Cake: They don't really give a shit how much power you're squirting out,
[3630.56] Tony Cake: because once you're the other side of the field, they can't sell anyhow.
[3634.0] Tony Cake: But when you start transmitting outside of the legal band,
[3637.6] Tony Cake: and what started all this actually was a 1.2 gig gear, which was an absolute nightmare,
[3643.68] Tony Cake: because it interfered with navigation systems for airports.
[3650.16] Tony Cake: So that's the stuff that, in fact, that stuff got FPV banned in Singapore initially.
[3655.36] Tony Cake: I don't know whether it still is, but certainly in the early days, that's what shut it down.
[3660.56] Andy: Yeah, I always find the power level limit, so for here, it's 25 milliwatt.
[3667.2] Andy: I always thought that was interesting, because unless every policeman has got one of these in
[3673.04] Andy: their pockets, which they probably haven't, because the displays are quite hard to get hold of,
[3679.28] Andy: they have no idea what people are transmitting.
[3683.44] Jack: I reckon they'll just take our equipment off first.
[3686.4] Jack: It'd be like the old SUS law, do you know what I mean?
[3688.64] Jack: Oh, you look dodgy, like you're up to no good, and just confiscate it anyway, and then test it later,
[3694.32] Jack: send it away, and get it lost.
[3696.32] Frank: It's all right, all drones are going to be banned soon, so it's fine.
[3700.72] Tony: They've just passed a law that they can do that now, and they take your stuff off you.
[3704.48] Andy: Oh, they've always been able to do that, Tony, it's just that they've published it now,
[3708.0] Andy: but anyone, I think if a policeman came up to anyone and said, land your drone,
[3713.76] Andy: you're not going to ignore them, are you?
[3716.32] Tony Cake: I've got a story about policemen and drones.
[3721.2] Tony Cake: Part of it is actually, so some of the listeners don't know, I actually live in Switzerland,
[3727.36] Tony Cake: even though I've got the door to the accent.
[3729.84] Tony Cake: And here, to be honest, I don't really know what the drone laws are.
[3732.96] Tony Cake: I mean, they change every once in a while, I just know you've got to be careful.
[3736.64] Tony Cake: A couple of guys from the office were out flying one evening with a mojo in a nearby field,
[3741.84] Tony Cake: and they lost it, they lost track of where they were.
[3744.0] Tony Cake: One of the guys was a bit of a noob and lost it.
[3746.96] Tony Cake: And they figured they'd come back later on after dinner with a flashlight and try to find it.
[3753.2] Tony Cake: So they did this, and while they were searching the field,
[3756.48] Tony Cake: police guy rolled up and asked them what they were doing.
[3758.88] Tony Cake: They could have been burying drugs or hiding bodies or something.
[3762.88] Andy: Explain what they're looking for a drone.
[3765.04] Tony Cake: Yeah, right.
[3765.92] Tony Cake: So they explained, they're looking for a drone, they showed the other drones in the car,
[3769.44] Tony Cake: and the police guy said, okay, well, look, let's help you.
[3771.84] Tony Cake: So they called the dog guys, the sniffer dogs.
[3776.08] Tony Cake: So they turned up at another car.
[3778.4] Tony Cake: And they actually used one of the police dogs to find the drone and give it to these guys.
[3782.96] Jack: Or they were sniffing lithium or something.
[3786.0] Tony Cake: But it was just amazing.
[3788.08] Tony Cake: Actually, the dog went straight to the drone, found the drone.
[3792.48] Tony Cake: And it's just it's an amazing example of, you know,
[3796.24] Tony Cake: most police really don't give a shit about this stuff.
[3798.48] Tony Cake: They don't see it as a danger.
[3800.72] Tony Cake: And we're very lucky in Switzerland to have some, you know, some pretty awesome people on the force.
[3806.08] Tony Cake: And that was just a story that is not the kind of thing you hear about very often.
[3811.12] Andy: I think that's the most upsetting thing about the bad press when it comes to drones is because
[3816.4] Andy: the more bad press that they get, the more sort of like the police and authorities are
[3821.2] Andy: going to have to stamp down on it.
[3822.64] Andy: And, you know, we're in that time where actually, you know, if a policeman sees you flying,
[3827.6] Andy: he's going to want to have a look through your goggles and see what's going on.
[3831.04] Andy: And and it's a shame that that might change, I think.
[3834.0] Tony Cake: I'm not sure it's going to change.
[3835.52] Tony Cake: I mean, the safety record of FPV has been absolutely amazing.
[3840.4] Tony Cake: I mean, we've been flying this shit for for 10 years now, more than 10 years.
[3845.76] Tony Cake: Initially, with some pretty dodgy kind of gear all around.
[3850.64] Tony Cake: And, you know, nobody's died yet.
[3852.16] Tony Cake: Nobody's been seriously injured.
[3854.0] Tony Cake: Yeah, try harder, guys.
[3856.08] Tony Cake: Tried to hit helicopters and planes and they're still flying.
[3859.84] Andy: It's funny that you say it's funny that you say dodgy gear because my friend's first attempt
[3865.28] Andy: to FPV, he ran two point four on his control and two point four on his video and still
[3871.84] Andy: managed to have a good time because those are the only options back then.
[3874.56] Andy: But yeah, you know, we've got much better technology now.
[3877.36] Andy: Absolutely.
[3878.08] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[3878.8] Jack: Right.
[3880.0] Jack: I'm going to have to go.
[3881.52] Jack: We're at the hour mark anyway, so I'm really sorry.
[3885.04] Andy: We can.
[3886.8] Frank: Yeah, I think it's a good place to wrap it up anyway.
[3890.96] Frank: Yeah.
[3891.76] Frank: Would you only need to pick someone out of the chat?
[3894.08] Frank: I've seen.
[3894.56] Tony Cake: Only we do that just randomly.
[3899.09] Jack: No, I gave you a photo of.
[3903.89] Andy: There's a guy in the NDRC.
[3905.57] Andy: He's been commenting nicely.
[3908.85] Andy: Hold on.
[3910.85] Tony: Anyone with a spanner, you can go right to the beginning of the chat.
[3916.45] Jack: Comment people.
[3917.57] Jack: Comment.
[3919.49] Tony: Put your name in a chat.
[3920.37] Jack: Anyone or I've sent you a photo of the patrons names in Facebook.
[3930.56] Tony: Pick me.
[3931.2] Tony: Pick me.
[3932.08] Tony: GFPV.
[3933.6] Tony: You need to be a patron first.
[3940.29] Jack: Yeah, so there's a name of all 13 of our Patreons.
[3944.05] Tony: You've already got 13.
[3950.19] Tony: Yeah.
[3951.71] Tony: We've only just started pushing our Patreon page.
[3955.39] Jack: Yeah.
[3955.63] Jack: No, apparently it says 13 and I've only given you a photo of 10 people.
[3961.15] Frank: Because people have signed up during the course of this episode.
[3966.51] Frank: How do it is?
[3968.27] Jack: Yeah, sorry.
[3971.78] Jack: You might want to give him all the names or put numbers to them.
[3976.5] Jack: Or oh yeah, there's some more names.
[3980.02] Tony: I'd flick through the whole lot of forms.
[3982.1] Tony: I'm sorry.
[3984.34] Jack: Is that a bailiff with you, Jack?
[3986.26] Jack: No, it's not a bailiff.
[3990.26] Jack: No, I'm a bailiff.
[3991.3] Jack: Earlier on, you still need to stroke his face and stuff and touch him up.
[3995.3] Jack: So that's quite funny.
[3996.74] Jack: I accidentally almost put my fingers in your mouth.
[3999.3] Jack: It was really weird.
[4001.62] Jack: Are you sure you're not interested?
[4006.1] Jack: You're up for the, remember, in an hour, ThursdayNightShow.com.
[4011.14] Jack: And that's how Let's Drone Out started.
[4014.1] Jack: It is.
[4014.74] Jack: Got me on, chatted, and yep.
[4018.26] Tony Cake: So you know what we should do, I think?
[4019.86] Tony Cake: I think we should award the mojo to the youngest member here who has donated.
[4027.62] Andy: People will tell fibs on their age level.
[4032.34] Andy: I'm really, I'm really nine.
[4036.18] Jack: How old's Mikey?
[4037.78] Jack: Mikey's young.
[4041.46] Jack: Who else is?
[4043.22] Jack: Also, can I have permission if we get 14 people on Patreon?
[4051.62] Jack: Can I post the drunk episode with me being drunk on in the Patreons only?
[4058.34] Jack: Oh yeah, absolutely.
[4059.7] Jack: That's a little bonus.
[4060.74] Jack: One more Patreon.
[4062.02] Jack: Reasonable.
[4062.82] Jack: And I will put that up as a Patreon only post.
[4067.54] Tony: Oh, Davi, boy.
[4070.98] Tony Cake: 38, by the youngsters.
[4072.9] Tony Cake: Yeah.
[4074.82] Tony: Scotty, 42.
[4076.02] Tony: Am I older than Scotty?
[4077.46] Tony: Damn.
[4078.98] Tony: Green patchy, 47.
[4081.3] Tony: Feel better now.
[4084.18] Frank: Mikey, how old are you?
[4087.58] Frank: He says, damn, he's 101.
[4089.5] Frank: Oh no.
[4091.74] Tony Cake: Nope, 33.
[4093.18] Tony Cake: 33 is less so far.
[4097.18] Frank: While you're still here, do you have any websites, links, channel you want to push?
[4105.66] Jack: We should have really put that in the, did I put it in the description?
[4108.7] Jack: Did I actually do my job right?
[4110.62] Frank: I'm literally writing the description now.
[4114.14] Frank: I've been doing all the time stamping, but I want to, yeah.
[4118.46] Jack: No, you've got loads of money and when are you going to send me the stuff?
[4125.86] Tony: Have you been time stamping us?
[4127.86] Tony: We've been doing this.
[4129.54] Tony: Yeah.
[4130.34] Tony: Oh my God.
[4131.14] Frank: Is there a motion asking you?
[4132.5] Frank: Go home on a Facebook page.
[4134.9] Frank: I'm pretty sure I've seen the Facebook page.
[4137.54] Frank: Where do you want me to point people, Anthony?
[4140.82] Tony Cake: Oh, for what?
[4141.38] Tony Cake: For Mojo?
[4142.66] Tony Cake: No.
[4143.06] Tony Cake: No, I'll see.
[4144.02] Tony Cake: I'll just do motion-arsing.com, I guess.
[4146.9] Tony Cake: Yeah.
[4148.1] Tony Cake: I know.
[4148.34] Tony Cake: I think we have a website.
[4149.78] Jack: Yeah.
[4150.82] Jack: You might as well use this hour-long advert.
[4153.22] Jack: Oh, man.
[4158.14] UNKNOWN: Right.
[4158.62] Jack: I'm slightly shaking.
[4160.06] Jack: Do we have one?
[4160.46] Jack: We need to.
[4161.1] Jack: Yeah.
[4161.58] Jack: Have you chosen?
[4163.42] UNKNOWN: I don't know.
[4163.9] Tony Cake: I see 32, but is that in the list there?
[4167.82] Jack: Yep.
[4168.78] Jack: There's the list and then there's a couple of extra names.
[4171.42] Tony: So, Anthony, you need a spanner next, so he's knowing.
[4173.5] Tony: Hang on.
[4175.18] Jack: There's the list.
[4176.14] Tony Cake: That's what the spanner's for.
[4180.54] UNKNOWN: It looks like.
[4181.26] Tony: It looks like if you've got a spanner next to your name,
[4184.94] Tony: you are a moderator and a patron.
[4188.14] Tony: It's got bars.
[4189.66] Tony Cake: It looks like Blood's FPV has got this so far.
[4192.86] Tony Cake: I'm just going to start undressing now.
[4196.91] Tony: Oh, God, we're getting IK'd.
[4199.87] Jack: Yep.
[4200.67] Jack: He's getting...
[4203.39] Jack: And there's two other people as well to choose from.
[4206.19] Jack: Roller dice, random number generator.
[4210.51] Jack: Anyone?
[4215.91] Jack: Remember, one more and you get the drunk Jack.
[4223.03] Andy: I like the idea of the person that's paid the most on Patreon.
[4229.91] Jack: That's Mikey.
[4232.15] Tony: Give it a Mikey.
[4234.79] Tony: He wins.
[4237.83] Frank: I'm okay with that.
[4242.47] (Editor): Let's try now our creating podcast.
[4245.91] (Editor): I like that.
[4249.51] Jack: Do you want to adjust the settings on that?
[4251.67] Andy: Guys, have we chosen?
[4254.15] Tony Cake: Yes.
[4255.67] Tony Cake: Your suggestion sounds like a good one.
[4257.75] Jack: Yep.
[4259.83] Jack: It was like, which one sounds best?
[4262.55] Jack: And it made me laugh so much.
[4265.03] Jack: You're the only one who's ever noticed.
[4267.35] Jack: Do you want to read out?
[4272.18] Jack: What are they doing?
[4273.3] (Editor): On the Patreon page, it goes, which one of these sounds more correct?
[4278.66] (Editor): Let's try now our creating podcast.
[4285.78] Andy: Can we announce the winner of the mojo, guys?
[4290.34] Frank: So it sounds like it's Mikey Dred.
[4291.86] Frank: Am I right?
[4292.9] Tony Cake: Yes.
[4293.62] Andy: Yes.
[4293.94] Frank: Well done, Mikey Dred.
[4294.98] Tony Cake: Well done, Mikey.
[4296.98] Tony Cake: So I'll need some information from you.
[4299.94] Andy: If we read the name and address out now, and the mother's maiden name, that'd be cool.
[4307.86] Frank: That's got a number.
[4308.66] Frank: No problems, right, Andy?
[4312.02] Tony Cake: If you guys can feed that back to me, then that'll be lovely.
[4314.66] Tony Cake: We will do that.
[4315.54] Tony: Thank you so much.
[4316.5] Tony: That's amazing.
[4317.54] Tony: That is so great of you.
[4318.82] Tony: Thank you very much, Immersion RC.
[4320.9] Tony: Anthony Cake, thank you.
[4322.5] Tony Cake: Thank you.
[4323.06] Tony Cake: No worries.
[4323.78] Tony Cake: It's been a pleasure, guys.
[4324.98] Tony Cake: It's been a lot of fun.
[4325.7] Tony Cake: Hang on, Bob.
[4326.5] Tony Cake: It's actually much more comfortable than the last one I joined you on.
[4330.26] Tony Cake: Why?
[4330.74] Jack: I was just like, oh, no.
[4332.18] Tony Cake: That toilet seat after an hour was...
[4336.26] Jack: Hang on.
[4336.74] Jack: Let me just give you Mikey's email address.
[4340.1] Jack: Hang on.
[4340.5] Andy: Surely the most comfortable place in the world is the toilet.
[4344.42] Jack: Data protection.
[4347.78] Frank: Jack.
[4348.74] Frank: Yes.
[4349.46] Frank: Do you want to sign off so I can hit stop?
[4352.1] Jack: Yes, please.
[4352.98] Jack: Right.
[4354.5] Jack: Thank you for listening to Let Drone Out.
[4357.78] Jack: You've been joined by Frank slash Andrew.
[4361.54] Jack: Good night.
[4365.73] Jack: Ex-employee of...
[4368.37] Jack: Come on, Andy RC.
[4371.81] Andy: Well done, Mikey.
[4373.25] Andy: You deserve it.
[4374.21] Andy: Thank you for the Patreon subscription and good night.
[4379.73] Jack: Yeah.
[4380.21] Jack: And me and Andy RC later on sometime this week will be doing
[4383.89] Jack: a short little show on my channel as well, just so you guys know.
[4388.05] Jack: So keep an eye out for that.
[4391.17] Andy: I didn't know about that, but okay.
[4393.49] Jack: Yeah.
[4393.81] Jack: Well, we're doing the commentary.
[4396.45] Andy: Okay, that's fine.
[4397.33] Jack: Yeah, no worries.
[4398.05] Jack: We've been joined by Anthony Cake.
[4400.37] Tony Cake: And awesome, guys.
[4403.65] Tony Cake: Thanks for listening to me, drone on.
[4405.73] Jack: Yeah.
[4406.29] Jack: Your last name makes me really hungry.
[4410.45] Jack: And you're joined by the hungriest vegan.
[4415.57] Jack: Au revoir.
[4416.93] Jack: Yes.
[4417.33] Jack: At last, he doesn't say Bonjour.
[4419.01] Jack: I want to strangle you every time I edit and hear you say that.
[4421.89] Jack: Thank you.
[4422.37] Jack: And I've been right until I fly and you've been listening to Let Drone Out.
[4425.57] Jack: Thank you, everyone.
[4426.37] Jack: Congrats, Mikey.
[4428.37] Jack: And thank you for listening.
[4430.13] Tony: And thank you, Anthony.
[4432.21] Jack: Yeah.
[4432.69] Jack: Please donate to the Patreon.