=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 139 ===
Title: AndyRC So works for Fat Shark (NEW Dominator HDO OLED FPV Goggles)
Recorded: 2018-04-26
Hosts: Andy, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews
Guest(s): Mr FatShark
Total audience: 4,670
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqgy3Y8wUfQ); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/437681022-letsdroneout-andyrc-so-works-for-fat-shark-new-dominator-hdo-oled-fpv-goggles.m4a)
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[0.0] Frank: Now on the tree we cover...
[1.0] Frank: Let's drone out now.
[5.93] Jack: Apparently we're live. Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Drone Out.
[11.43] Jack: Tonight we are joined by...
[13.43] Jack: I had a deal with Curry Kitten last week. Curry Kitten.
[17.43] Jack: Bonjour!
[18.43] Tony: Hey!
[19.43] Tony: Hello, I'm mad.
[20.43] Tony: Everyone's dicking my...
[22.43] Jack: I'm owning that now.
[24.43] Andy: Swear word already.
[25.43] Andy: Swear word.
[26.43] Jack: Yeah.
[27.43] Jack: Yeah.
[28.43] Jack: Tony doesn't really care about that because he knows that I'm editor.
[32.43] Jack: So he's trying to make my life as hard as possible for now.
[36.43] Tony: Damn it.
[37.43] Jack: So I will.
[38.43] Jack: You already covered it all.
[39.43] Jack: Three swears and this happened.
[44.43] Jack: Yeah, we're also joined by my new second love affair, Andy RC.
[53.43] Jack: Hello.
[55.43] Jack: And everyone's favourite, Frank.
[58.43] Jack: That would be me, I guess, I presume.
[61.43] Jack: Yeah.
[62.43] Jack: And we are joined by, of course, my little squeeze on the side.
[68.43] Tony: Oh, hello.
[71.43] Jack: That's pretty nice.
[72.43] Jack: That is pretty good.
[73.43] Jack: And of course, suspiciously, for someone who doesn't work for Fat Shark, they amazingly got Fat Shark on this show.
[84.43] Jack: Andy RC.
[85.43] Jack: Incredible.
[86.43] Jack: Our special guest tonight, Grant.
[88.43] Jack: Hey, guys.
[91.71] Jack: So you're the CEO and advertiser and all that good stuff for Fat Shark.
[98.71] Jack: Is that right?
[99.71] Mr FatShark: No, I'm the chief difficulty officer at Fat Shark, actually.
[103.71] Mr FatShark: I'm CDA.
[105.71] Mr FatShark: I do a lot of our front of house stuff basically all in the US, you know, marketing product, et cetera.
[111.71] Mr FatShark: But we have a new CEO, his name's Alan.
[113.71] Mr FatShark: He's in the other room.
[114.71] Mr FatShark: But you got me today.
[117.71] Jack: It's fine.
[118.71] Jack: We like you.
[119.71] Jack: And you tolerated the sense of humour last time, for which we kind of apologise for.
[124.71] Jack: But it is us.
[126.71] Mr FatShark: Well, let's see if we can change it this time.
[127.71] Mr FatShark: Maybe you won't like me by the end of this.
[129.71] Jack: No, you're all right.
[131.71] Jack: A little shout out to someone who did make me chuckle.
[134.71] Jack: Rob FPV, Aldi, what time does this start?
[140.71] Jack: So, Tony, do you want to read out people in the chat?
[143.71] Tony: Oh, yes.
[145.71] Tony: Hold on.
[146.71] Tony: So we've got to win from Wales who's watching us.
[149.71] Tony: Daffy Boyne.
[151.71] Tony: Zero.
[153.71] Tony: Zero's always in the chat.
[154.71] Tony: We love zero.
[156.71] Tony: Who else is in the chat?
[157.71] Tony: Let me flick through.
[159.71] Tony: Rob FPV, Nutty Prop, crash tests in there, Richard Warwick.
[167.71] Tony: Yeah.
[168.71] Tony: That's all I can see so far.
[170.71] Tony: So, hello, everyone.
[173.71] Jack: Big shout out to our Patreons.
[175.71] Jack: Thank you very much for your support.
[179.71] Jack: This show is probably sponsored by Mikey Dred again.
[183.71] Jack: If not, Ferdy, or failing that, Steve Gadlin.
[186.71] Jack: But I definitely think he was last week.
[189.71] Jack: So, Andrew slash Frank, I'm really sorry.
[193.71] Frank: Slash Colin McRae.
[195.71] Frank: Slash Lumberjack slash Cat Herder.
[198.71] Jack: Yeah.
[199.71] Jack: Without the editor, I'm lost.
[202.71] Jack: Right.
[203.71] Jack: Over to you, Frank, or Andy Aussie.
[206.71] Jack: Yeah.
[207.71] Andy: So let's get straight into it.
[209.71] Andy: So the HDOs were released.
[214.71] Andy: And actually, you guys did a live stream the other night
[217.71] Andy: and explained a lot of the stuff that went on.
[221.71] Andy: And you mentioned that the HDO actually accidentally,
[227.71] Andy: there was like a page that got released on Fat Shock
[230.71] Andy: and it ended up on Road to Riot.
[232.71] Andy: Could you explain a bit more about that
[234.71] Andy: and sort of what happened with the video releases and stuff?
[239.71] Mr FatShark: So I should start this by prefacing it with I screwed up.
[247.71] Mr FatShark: That's the first thing to say.
[249.71] Mr FatShark: Welcome to Let's Throw Now.
[252.71] Mr FatShark: So what we try to do when we're launching products
[254.71] Mr FatShark: is have a media embargo.
[257.71] Mr FatShark: So everybody launches at the same time.
[259.71] Mr FatShark: So everybody can build their reviews up and spend some time
[262.71] Mr FatShark: building copy and be smart about launching a product.
[265.71] Mr FatShark: It doesn't work really well all the time.
[267.71] Mr FatShark: It's just like Apple.
[268.71] Mr FatShark: You never want to leak the Apple 10, 12, whatever.
[271.71] Mr FatShark: You want everybody at 10 o'clock in one day to launch something.
[274.71] Mr FatShark: And so I think it's Sunday night.
[276.71] Mr FatShark: I'm about to sit down and watch a movie with my wife.
[278.71] Mr FatShark: And I was updating a product page with a new HDO,
[283.71] Mr FatShark: like updating some features or whatever.
[285.71] Mr FatShark: And I had published it through our content management system
[288.71] Mr FatShark: as unlisted, which is unsurgeable, unfindable,
[291.71] Mr FatShark: can't find it anywhere.
[293.71] Mr FatShark: And what did you know?
[295.71] Mr FatShark: In like 15 seconds, somebody found it
[297.71] Mr FatShark: and they posted it on Reddit.
[299.71] Mr FatShark: And then Mike Chin from TBS Epic found it
[304.71] Mr FatShark: and tossed it over to Road to Riot
[306.71] Mr FatShark: and then everybody lost their shit.
[308.71] Mr FatShark: And then we did not watch our movie last night.
[311.71] Andy: Oh, man.
[313.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[314.71] Mr FatShark: And it's fine because I expect things to leak.
[316.71] Mr FatShark: But I'd sent some review units out.
[319.71] Mr FatShark: And I had to tell everybody, like, oh, my God,
[322.71] Mr FatShark: everything's live now.
[323.71] Mr FatShark: So smoke them if you got them.
[325.71] Mr FatShark: And I think a lot of people had to rush and push stuff up
[327.71] Mr FatShark: at the last second because a lot of people
[329.71] Mr FatShark: want to do their traffic grab, publish as fast as possible.
[333.71] Andy: Sure.
[334.71] Andy: And that really surprised me because for me,
[337.71] Andy: like, what I've been waiting for is OLED in goggles, you know?
[341.71] Andy: But I think I first saw it in the Sinemizer goggles.
[345.71] Andy: And to me, it made sense.
[346.71] Andy: So surely the response could have only have been positive,
[349.71] Andy: right?
[351.71] Andy: Yeah.
[354.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[355.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, I think there's two distinct camps of people.
[357.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, there's people who want fidelity
[359.71] Mr FatShark: and they want really, really crisp, amazing racing.
[361.71] Mr FatShark: And then there's people who want field of view.
[363.71] Mr FatShark: And I think we made one camp really happy
[366.71] Mr FatShark: and we made one camp really uncomfortable.
[371.71] Mr FatShark: But something I want to get into later
[373.71] Mr FatShark: is kind of what field of view means to you guys
[375.71] Mr FatShark: and kind of what the difference is
[377.71] Mr FatShark: between a wide field of view, regular, HD2, I think,
[382.71] Mr FatShark: is what you say, and a box cargo.
[384.71] Mr FatShark: But we can get to that later.
[385.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[386.71] Mr FatShark: It's been good.
[387.71] Mr FatShark: It's been polarizing.
[388.71] Mr FatShark: It's been just like an election in the United States, I guess.
[390.71] Mr FatShark: Some people love it.
[391.71] Mr FatShark: Some people hate it.
[392.71] Jack: Well, congratulations for, like, not getting fired
[394.71] Jack: unlike the RC.
[396.71] Jack: So let's start on a positive note.
[399.71] Jack: What do you mean by uncomfortable?
[401.71] Jack: Do you mean that you didn't get the no shape right
[403.71] Jack: and you're going to get a video 20 minutes later
[405.71] Jack: from NJ Tech?
[408.71] Jack: Sounding the goggles down.
[410.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, viscerally uncomfortable, I believe.
[412.71] Mr FatShark: Like, they just, I think there's a lot of people
[416.71] Mr FatShark: who care a lot about specs and field of view.
[420.71] Mr FatShark: And when they see a smaller, bigger field of view,
[423.71] Mr FatShark: that's a direct correlation to them.
[424.71] Mr FatShark: Bigger field of view is better.
[425.71] Mr FatShark: Smaller field of view is worse.
[426.71] Mr FatShark: And it's binary, right?
[428.71] Mr FatShark: And so when you see a decrease in field of view,
[430.71] Mr FatShark: so to speak, on paper from the HD3
[433.71] Mr FatShark: down to the dominator HDO,
[436.71] Mr FatShark: that's just an immediate negative response for a lot of people.
[439.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[441.71] Andy: I think that's the biggest thing that got lost
[446.71] Andy: in those initial videos.
[448.71] Andy: You see, I've owned a lot of pairs of fat sharks.
[451.71] Andy: And my initial reaction to fat sharks was that...
[454.71] Jack: Not that he sponsored my fat shark.
[457.71] Andy: Not that I tried to get a sponsor.
[459.71] Andy: No, I know.
[461.71] Andy: Yeah, my initial reaction was,
[463.71] Andy: because I came from the box goggles,
[465.71] Andy: which we all know have a massive field of view.
[468.71] Andy: And when I went to fat sharks, the field of view was smaller.
[471.71] Andy: And it's not until I received the HD2 that I realized
[475.71] Andy: that there is a limitation on field of view.
[479.71] Andy: Like, I think the HD2s had a field of view of 50 degrees.
[484.71] Andy: And a lot of people, when they put those up to their eyes,
[489.71] Andy: they saw blurred edges.
[491.71] Andy: And I think some people put up with it.
[493.71] Andy: And some people said, no, that's not for me.
[495.71] Andy: And then the HD3s went down on the field of view.
[499.71] Andy: And all of a sudden, it becomes clearer.
[502.71] Andy: And when I heard that the field of view is going to be 37 degrees,
[508.71] Andy: I just thought, well, actually, to me, that makes sense,
[512.71] Andy: because it means that more people are going to be able to use them.
[517.71] Andy: And I think, you know, it's not that much of a change, either,
[521.71] Andy: from, like, what are the HD3s?
[523.71] Andy: 43 to 37.
[525.71] Andy: I think people are concentrating way too much on the field of view.
[529.71] Andy: And what we should be concentrating on is the fact
[532.71] Andy: that we've now got, like, OLEDs in fat sharks.
[536.71] Andy: And that's a big deal, I think, because, you know,
[541.71] Andy: we've got OLEDs in the viewfinder, the cameras,
[543.71] Andy: and the picture quality is awesome, and the contrast is much better.
[548.71] Andy: People, it was sort of like saying, oh, they're, well, they're expensive.
[552.71] Andy: Yeah, but look how much the cinemas were when they came out.
[555.71] Andy: They were $1,000.
[557.71] Andy: And, you know, the price of the HD3s have come down a lot,
[563.71] Andy: but they were the same price as these OLEDs that have come out now.
[567.71] Andy: So I think they've been a little bit harsh on, like, the price
[572.71] Andy: and what it's brought, and, yeah.
[575.71] Curry: Well, I think that's a slight problem with the guys that are really
[579.71] Curry: after the field of view who want it no matter what.
[582.71] Curry: So it's like you bring it down, you get better visual fidelity.
[585.71] Curry: They're like, we want it, and we want that.
[587.71] Curry: Make it happen as opposed to facing the actual technical limitations
[591.71] Curry: of what you're working with.
[593.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, I think some people are a little bit disappointed
[596.71] Mr FatShark: in that some of the basic features that are requested in these sets of goggles,
[600.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, these have been under development for over a year,
[603.71] Mr FatShark: so we can't put every bell and whistle on it.
[605.71] Mr FatShark: But they're also in the same shell that we've been using for 10 years.
[608.71] Mr FatShark: So it's hard to tool out, like, a slot for a power button, et cetera,
[613.71] Mr FatShark: when we already have, like, the chassis already finished.
[617.71] Mr FatShark: So there's a lot of negative sentiment around that, too.
[620.71] Mr FatShark: But in general, I mean, I believe that with the HDO,
[624.71] Mr FatShark: we've taken the Ford Taurus and we've put a Ferrari engine in it,
[629.71] Mr FatShark: and, you know, we've really upgraded the core of this display system.
[635.71] Mr FatShark: And that was the goal, the overall goal first.
[639.71] Mr FatShark: I mean, we wanted to put the Ferrari engine in first
[641.71] Mr FatShark: and then start updating some of the ancillary features,
[644.71] Mr FatShark: like the tires and the radio second,
[646.71] Mr FatShark: because really it's about the image quality first,
[648.71] Mr FatShark: and after that it's about doodads.
[651.71] Andy: Yeah, one thing I thought was interesting on the stream as well
[655.71] Andy: is a question that has come up a lot is regarding the DVR,
[659.71] Andy: the fact that it's pretty much the same.
[662.71] Andy: And I thought it was interesting what was said about the reason why that is.
[671.71] Andy: And it's basically because it works.
[673.71] Andy: And I never actually realized about the fact that when it sort of, like,
[679.71] Andy: drops the signal, codecs go absolutely crazy,
[684.71] Andy: because they're not used to it,
[685.71] Andy: because all modern codecs are used to a digital image and not snow.
[692.71] Andy: And that's like the biggest obstacle with getting a better DVR in the fact shocks.
[697.71] Andy: And there have been DVRs that you guys have been working on,
[701.71] Andy: but they didn't make it because you weren't happy with it.
[705.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I mean, I definitely don't want to sound flippant
[707.71] Mr FatShark: in talking about the DVR to say like,
[709.71] Mr FatShark: oh, yeah, we just use it because it works, right?
[711.71] Mr FatShark: Because so we did a live stream on our Thatcher community website,
[716.71] Mr FatShark: on Facebook yesterday, if anybody wants to go take a look at it,
[719.71] Mr FatShark: it's 45 minutes of us just answering questions like this.
[722.71] Jack: If you've got a link, I'll stick it in the chat thing as well.
[728.71] Jack: Like, don't be too hard on yourself, man,
[731.71] Jack: because like at the end of the day, you're in a hobby full of guys.
[734.71] Jack: So like, you know, when you get a big group of guys, size does matter.
[740.71] Jack: Trust me, I've been to Wales with Tony.
[744.71] Mr FatShark: So maybe there's a question you guys can answer for me then.
[749.71] Mr FatShark: So I've been looking at a lot of like the sentiment of responses.
[754.71] Mr FatShark: So you look at the Rotoriot pages and people talking about the HDO
[757.71] Mr FatShark: and there's like a lot of real negativity
[760.71] Mr FatShark: around not only the field of view, but Fat Shark in general.
[764.71] Mr FatShark: And do you think that there's a culture issue with Fat Shark
[768.71] Mr FatShark: and that we're perceived as indifferent or terrible people?
[772.71] Mr FatShark: Like, I'm trying to figure because I'm working with Greg here.
[775.71] Mr FatShark: He's our founder.
[776.71] Mr FatShark: And he's reading his comments and it's hurting him.
[779.71] Mr FatShark: And he's taking this stuff really seriously.
[781.71] Mr FatShark: And I wonder if he's been disengaged or Fat Shark seems like it's been disengaged
[786.71] Mr FatShark: for so long.
[787.71] Mr FatShark: Is there a branding issue with Fat Shark?
[789.71] Mr FatShark: What is your perception of Fat Shark as the brand right now, guys?
[792.71] Curry: It seems to me, Fat Shark comes up a lot as they're quite expensive,
[797.71] Curry: but they really work.
[801.71] Curry: But I guess you guys don't exactly put a lot out there until it's released.
[806.71] Curry: It's a bit like Apple again, isn't it?
[807.71] Curry: It's like, what's going to come out?
[808.71] Curry: What's going to come out?
[809.71] Curry: And it's like it suddenly appears magically.
[811.71] Curry: But I don't think people are disengaged with a brand.
[814.71] Curry: It's still one of the most solid goggles you can get.
[817.71] Curry: And I think that's fairly obvious for most people,
[821.71] Curry: although you do pay the money for them.
[824.71] Frank: I think from my point of view, there's still the idea of if you're serious in FPV,
[831.71] Frank: you have Fat Sharks, which as a Fat Shark skeptic myself,
[835.71] Frank: I've never found a pair of Fat Sharks that I particularly get along with particularly well.
[839.71] Frank: And I've still got box goggles.
[841.71] Frank: But it's still like I really want to buy some Fat Sharks
[846.71] Frank: if I could find some that I could look into and not feel like I'm going boss-eyed.
[851.71] Frank: You've got a test subject.
[854.71] Jack: A guinea pig.
[855.71] Jack: But we want him back in fully working order.
[858.71] Frank: But as Nussy Prox says in the chat,
[861.71] Frank: there's negativity on the Rotorite page.
[864.71] Frank: That's kind of to be expected.
[866.71] Frank: That's not the Rotorite page.
[868.71] Frank: Criticism.
[870.71] Frank: You're doing really well.
[872.71] Frank: You're still viewed as the name in FPV goggles.
[877.71] Frank: Yeah, it's still the top, isn't it?
[879.71] Frank: I think it's that the expectations are so high from Fat Shark.
[883.71] Frank: Yeah.
[884.71] Frank: It's, you know, you've got this shiny new screens and everything else is the same.
[890.71] Frank: And everyone was kind of assuming that it was going to be like everything was going to be revolutionary.
[896.71] Frank: And so I think kind of there's that kind of that's why people are a bit not as positive about the,
[903.71] Frank: the HDOs is that they're expecting to completely change everything again.
[909.71] Mr FatShark: And I'm certainly not looking for guilt or for you guys to feel sorry for me,
[914.71] Mr FatShark: but I do want to make it clear to both you guys and the people watching that.
[918.71] Mr FatShark: I think Greg and Alan and I all take the feedback really seriously.
[922.71] Mr FatShark: And we've had a few polls in the group on Facebook to say what features do you want in the next version?
[929.71] Mr FatShark: We're looking at every single comment and taking them seriously.
[932.71] Mr FatShark: So if you are complaining, keep complaining because we're going to hear you.
[937.71] Jack: I don't, if I was you, like my God honest opinion is that like I look at,
[943.71] Jack: I look at Fat Sharks and I'm like, they are coke and whore money.
[947.71] Jack: But like me and Andy, whores will have our trinkets.
[956.71] Jack: We like our nice thing and like Fat Sharks, nice all in one package.
[963.71] Jack: And if you start listening to too many people and like adding things on, it can go wrong.
[968.71] Jack: You've got a good formula.
[970.71] Jack: And the number one thing is A, it works and B, as soon as you have a problem,
[975.71] Jack: your repair center more than makes up for it.
[979.71] Jack: I have been, I've been grumbly about Fat Sharks, right?
[984.71] Jack: But when I get a pair and a board's broken and I send it into someone like David,
[991.71] Jack: who I don't announce who I am, like, so I don't get like special treatment.
[996.71] Jack: And especially the way I write emails as well.
[998.71] Jack: It's like, as if you'd ever get special treatment, Jack.
[1001.71] Jack: Yeah. Yeah, true. I'm not, I'm not Andy RC, you know.
[1005.71] Andy: I do the same. I never use my name with Fat Shark.
[1009.71] Jack: And that's what with your email, Andy RC.
[1012.71] Andy: I thought, Jack, I would never give you my personal email difference.
[1021.71] Andy: So no, this is this is why I've become so vocal and why you guys make fun of me
[1026.71] Andy: like that I work for Fat Shark.
[1028.71] Andy: And that and that was because when when I started because I'm a reviewer,
[1032.71] Andy: I use the goggles like way more than they're supposed to.
[1035.71] Andy: I use them maybe an hour a day, which is like a crazy heavy user.
[1039.71] Jack: What he's trying to say is he likes to watch 3D porn with them.
[1044.71] Andy: He just made it even better.
[1047.71] Andy: Every time I try to make a serious comment.
[1050.71] Andy: Jack.
[1053.71] Jack: Is that Miranda?
[1055.71] Jack: Do I hear Miranda?
[1057.71] Jack: Not yet.
[1059.71] Andy: But but but yeah, I think I think Jack's got it right there.
[1063.71] Andy: The service when it comes to like repairs and stuff is.
[1066.71] Andy: And yeah, I don't know why there is just a lot of negativity regarding Fat Shark.
[1074.71] Andy: Maybe it is, you know, one thing that I thought was interest as well is, you know,
[1078.71] Andy: you talk about these polls.
[1080.71] Andy: Everyone has got their own idea of what the perfect goggle is.
[1083.71] Andy: And you can never create that.
[1086.71] Tony: Exactly.
[1087.71] Tony: Exactly.
[1088.71] Tony: Look, I've still got the Dominator V2 with the cup by cups.
[1092.71] Tony: I hate the V3s.
[1094.71] Tony: Too wide a field of view.
[1096.71] Tony: Don't like it.
[1097.71] Tony: Don't like the foam padding.
[1100.71] Tony: That's too much lighting.
[1102.71] Tony: It's sweaty and horrible.
[1104.71] Tony: Don't like it.
[1105.71] Andy: But then I hate all of those things that Tony likes.
[1108.71] Andy: Exactly.
[1110.71] Andy: So you can't win.
[1112.71] Jack: Yeah, I hate it.
[1114.71] Jack: I hate everything Tony likes and everything Tony hates.
[1120.71] Jack: Yeah, don't do it because at the end of the day, you'll end up with.
[1123.71] Jack: Do you remember the episodes of The Simpsons when Homer builds a car?
[1128.71] Jack: That's what you'll end up with.
[1131.71] Jack: None of us know.
[1132.71] Tony: You can't please everyone.
[1133.71] Jack: What we want.
[1134.71] Jack: We're worse than the stereotype of women.
[1138.71] Jack: And also, now and again, like the Roto Riot chat, Facebook thing, I would class as cancer.
[1149.71] Jack: It's getting better.
[1151.71] Frank: Is anyone here still actually in there?
[1154.71] Jack: Yeah, I'm in it.
[1156.71] Jack: So if I was you for Greg's own mental health, don't tell him, but block everything.
[1165.71] Jack: Get filters.
[1167.71] Jack: Block.
[1168.71] Jack: He won't be able to search for his own products.
[1171.71] Jack: That's what I'm going to do.
[1173.71] Jack: And set his screen savers to kittens.
[1176.71] Jack: Send him videos.
[1178.71] Jack: It works for me.
[1180.71] Jack: Frank.
[1182.71] Mr FatShark: I'm just getting some power, guys.
[1186.08] Mr FatShark: One second.
[1187.08] Mr FatShark: Yeah, no worries.
[1188.08] Curry: You certainly can't design by committee.
[1190.08] Curry: But if you were taking requests, and I don't know how anybody else feels about this one,
[1194.08] Curry: as far as the DVR goes, I'm perfectly happy with the DVR, because if something crashes,
[1198.08] Curry: I can use the DVR to get it.
[1200.08] Curry: But I want date stamps that work, because when I've gone out for fly-in, and I've done
[1204.08] Curry: like several days' worth, and I want to get it down to a video, all the dates are made
[1209.08] Curry: up 1970.
[1211.08] Curry: I would like actual battery back clock to tell me when I was filming this stuff, so
[1217.08] Curry: I knew where it was.
[1218.08] Andy: But is that just because you're making videos that way?
[1222.08] Andy: Yes.
[1223.08] Andy: But you see, not everyone...
[1224.08] Andy: I know not everybody does that, but...
[1226.08] Andy: I wouldn't like that.
[1227.08] Tony: I wouldn't like it, but I'd prefer it if it didn't drop frames.
[1232.08] Curry: The thing is, the SD card can hold so much stuff, because they don't take up much space,
[1237.08] Curry: do they?
[1238.08] Curry: So not having to transfer it to your computer every time, so you know what's what, and having
[1243.08] Curry: all this nicely dated stuff would be useful for me.
[1246.08] Mr FatShark: Well, so to be clear, we did actually update a few things on this DVR.
[1250.08] Mr FatShark: So it's the same chipset that we used before, but we updated a few things in terms of the
[1256.08] Mr FatShark: user interface, the way it turns on and turns off, and the way you switch it on and off
[1260.08] Mr FatShark: between watching your FPV feed and switching over to the DVR.
[1264.08] Mr FatShark: Some of the issues around the DVR related to fidelity, right?
[1267.08] Mr FatShark: So I was talking about being flippant around the DVR, and will you use it because it works
[1272.08] Mr FatShark: statement, and that's a really complicated statement, because when many DVRs fail, they
[1281.08] Mr FatShark: fail catastrophically, and they just turn off, and they can't recover, right?
[1285.08] Mr FatShark: So when you've got your TrueD, or your Furious, or whatever, and you're flying around trees
[1291.08] Mr FatShark: or long range, and you get that breakup, a lot of DVRs just turn off, and they don't work.
[1296.08] Mr FatShark: And so that's one of the reasons we've gone with this DVR.
[1298.08] Mr FatShark: But there are things that you can do to improve the performance through better receivers
[1304.08] Mr FatShark: and a better interface from the analog to digital converter inside the headset.
[1308.08] Mr FatShark: So as you guys see new modules coming to the market now, the ClearView and the RapidFire
[1314.08] Mr FatShark: in the next couple of weeks, you're going to see much better DVR performance because
[1319.08] Mr FatShark: you're going to get a much better signal going into the goggle.
[1322.08] Mr FatShark: So in many ways, it will be improved.
[1325.08] Andy: So I think it was Tony that was talking about frames dropping with the DVR.
[1331.08] Andy: Has that been improved with the newer version compared to the HD3s?
[1336.08] Mr FatShark: It has been improved in terms of we have better filtering on the DVR, and in general,
[1343.08] Mr FatShark: you'll get a better signal coming in from the RX so that you won't drop frames
[1350.08] Mr FatShark: because of a shitty signal.
[1353.08] Mr FatShark: That's a long way of saying, yes, it's improved, but it puts a different DVR in.
[1359.08] Andy: Yeah, actually a question that I asked on the livestream, but I forgot to put a question
[1364.08] Andy: and mark at the end of it.
[1366.08] Andy: So I didn't think you saw it as a question.
[1369.08] Andy: But the Fat Shark DVR, if you look at all the goggles, the layout of the DVR is very similar.
[1376.08] Andy: And the question I wanted to ask is, is it kind of like a separate product that you sort
[1382.08] Andy: of buy in, like anyone else is free to use this DVR?
[1387.08] Andy: Or is it the fact that the other companies are just copying what Fat Shark are doing?
[1391.08] Mr FatShark: Oh, yeah.
[1392.08] Mr FatShark: I mean, they're a supplier.
[1393.08] Mr FatShark: I mean, you look at, you know, the comparison I like to make is like, you know, for a Ford car,
[1398.08] Mr FatShark: like we buy Michelin tires and Goodrich tires and we add these components in.
[1402.08] Mr FatShark: Most of our intellectual property and our design is around actually the optical architecture
[1407.08] Mr FatShark: that goes on top of the boards and go on top of the modules.
[1410.08] Mr FatShark: So, you know, these OLED modules, for example, everyone's like, oh, you know, you're using
[1416.08] Mr FatShark: Shitty's 37 degree field, a few OLED modules.
[1419.08] Mr FatShark: These are the same OLED modules that everybody else gets.
[1422.08] Mr FatShark: They're from Sony.
[1423.08] Mr FatShark: They're 0.3 or 0.4 inches.
[1426.08] Mr FatShark: Like we just went to the OLED store and like got them.
[1430.08] Mr FatShark: But the special stuff is like the optics and then a lot of the architecture on the boards
[1434.08] Mr FatShark: and the way that the headset is manufactured.
[1436.08] Mr FatShark: The DVR, yes, is a component.
[1439.08] Mr FatShark: And I think Greg was saying this the other day, but like I think somebody was complaining
[1443.08] Mr FatShark: the other day about how an E-Sheen DVR was better than the Fat Shark DVR.
[1447.08] Mr FatShark: And it turns out it's the exact same component from the exact same supplier because we all
[1451.08] Mr FatShark: shop at the same DVR store.
[1453.08] Tony: Yeah, apparently there's only one good DVR which everyone uses.
[1458.08] Andy: Yeah.
[1459.08] Andy: What's interesting about the E-Sheen DVR is that they offer a slightly higher resolution.
[1466.08] Andy: So maybe that is an avenue that you can...
[1468.08] Andy: Because like I say, the format is exactly the same as Fat Shark, but I think they do
[1473.08] Andy: a 1280-720p version.
[1477.08] Andy: So maybe it's the case that it maybe drops too many frames.
[1480.08] Andy: Did you guys do any sort of research on exploring that avenue, like what E-Sheen have managed
[1487.08] Andy: to get out of that chip, I guess?
[1489.08] Mr FatShark: Yeah, and that's a good question.
[1490.08] Mr FatShark: Like I'd like to know, I don't know this, so I'm not going to ask Greg later.
[1493.08] Mr FatShark: But I would like to know why we made the resolution choice that we made.
[1497.08] Mr FatShark: Maybe it's just because that's all we can record at a certain frame rate, but I'm not sure.
[1502.08] Andy: Yeah, yeah.
[1504.08] Jack: It's probably through the battery and processing.
[1508.08] Andy: Yeah, also that I found with the E-Sheen ones, they do drop frames, so it could be to do
[1513.08] Andy: with that as well.
[1514.08] Andy: I think what's interesting about the DVR in general is that its function has changed.
[1519.08] Andy: The DVR, if you look back, was originally there only to find lost models.
[1524.08] Andy: That was it.
[1525.08] Andy: If you threw a battery, it could quickly go through your goggles, rewind and see where
[1529.08] Andy: it got to end it up.
[1530.08] Andy: That was its only function, so it didn't matter that it was low bit rate, low resolution.
[1536.08] Andy: And I think because of YouTube, and this whole entire hobby revolves around getting your
[1542.08] Andy: videos on YouTube, it's become something else.
[1545.08] Andy: And I think that is why there are so many negative comments regarding the DVR, is people
[1553.08] Andy: want higher quality stuff to put on YouTube.
[1555.08] Tony: Well, most of the racers want it.
[1558.08] Tony: Yeah.
[1559.08] Curry: I used to use one of these.
[1562.08] Curry: I used to use it in my original Dominator goggles.
[1565.08] Curry: I used to shove it in the strap.
[1567.08] Curry: And when there was a lot of static, this would lock up.
[1571.08] Curry: And the only way of getting out of it is take the battery out and plug it back in.
[1575.08] Curry: And you've lost all that footage after it.
[1577.08] Curry: So my fact-shout DVR is never locked up before.
[1580.08] Curry: So kudos.
[1581.08] Mr FatShark: Yeah, neither is mine.
[1583.08] Mr FatShark: Well, to Andy's point, I think, I don't know if you guys remember the day when you got
[1589.08] Mr FatShark: a smartphone with a camera in the front, and you're like, why would you put a camera in
[1592.08] Mr FatShark: the front of your smartphone?
[1594.08] Mr FatShark: Because people like to live broadcast, and they like to take pictures of themselves.
[1597.08] Mr FatShark: And it's the same thing with DVR footage now, right?
[1599.08] Jack: Why is there a camera on the inside of the goggles?
[1603.08] Mr FatShark: We actually talked about this.
[1604.08] Mr FatShark: We talked about adding a selfie stick to the front of it so you can see yourself.
[1607.08] Andy: No, don't do that.
[1609.08] Andy: Don't do that, because Skyzone did that, and nobody uses it.
[1612.08] Andy: So I think that's a bad thing.
[1614.08] Mr FatShark: You're talking about a camera forward.
[1615.08] Mr FatShark: I'm talking about a camera to view yourself.
[1617.08] Andy: Oh, to view yourself.
[1618.08] Andy: Well, use your copter to do that, surely.
[1620.08] Frank: Not like a stick cam built into it.
[1623.08] Jack: Right.
[1626.08] Jack: Sorry, Greg, you were saying something first.
[1628.08] Jack: Sorry, there's a good question.
[1631.08] Andy: What was that, Jack?
[1632.08] Jack: I missed that.
[1634.08] Jack: Baby Brett asks, okay, here's a good one.
[1639.08] Jack: If you're so concerned about something like field of view, why not have sliders that can
[1648.08] Jack: move the screens closer or further, depending on preference?
[1654.08] Mr FatShark: That's tough to do in terms of making sure that your eyes remain in the eye box.
[1663.08] Mr FatShark: The eye box is something that's like the area in which you can actually perceive and get
[1668.08] Mr FatShark: a good image as a function of IPD and then position of the optics back and forth.
[1673.08] Mr FatShark: Right.
[1674.08] Mr FatShark: So to be able to adjust the focal length intelligently and do it in a way that is not
[1679.08] Mr FatShark: difficult on an optomechanical scale is really hard to do.
[1685.08] Mr FatShark: It might be doable.
[1686.08] Mr FatShark: Again, I mean, I'm not an optical mechanical engineer, but I used to work at Avogon where
[1689.08] Mr FatShark: we made these other, the glyph headsets.
[1691.08] Mr FatShark: Do you guys remember these things?
[1692.08] Mr FatShark: Oh, yeah.
[1693.08] Andy: Yeah.
[1694.08] Mr FatShark: And we tried to do a lot of stuff like that, too.
[1696.08] Mr FatShark: We had the rotating optics so you could adjust the focus, which was pretty fun, but it also
[1700.08] Mr FatShark: was really complicated and it drives repairs through the roof and it drives dust through
[1707.08] Mr FatShark: the roof.
[1708.08] Mr FatShark: So as soon as you have a rotating or moving part over the top of your optic, which would
[1711.08] Mr FatShark: be the same thing for changing the field of view, right?
[1713.08] Mr FatShark: You like change the field of view by basically adjusting your focal length, right?
[1717.08] Mr FatShark: As soon as you have moving parts on top of your optics, then you introduce ways for dust
[1722.68] Mr FatShark: and crap to get into your system and then, yeah, repairs go through the roof.
[1726.84] Andy: So the answer, I guess, is the size then, really, because fat shots are really compact
[1732.56] Andy: and the more optics you try, you know, the more adjustments I saw a lot of the questions
[1737.72] Andy: were regarding, oh, the IPD is the same and all this, but then you have to, I guess,
[1743.04] Andy: do you have to start making the goggle bigger to accommodate that sort of stuff?
[1747.48] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[1748.48] Mr FatShark: The other thing is if you wanted to increase the field of view dramatically, you would
[1751.92] Mr FatShark: have to start going outside of the realm of like the dominator form factor.
[1756.4] Mr FatShark: And that's fine.
[1757.4] Mr FatShark: Like I understand that.
[1758.4] Mr FatShark: I mean, I acknowledge that the dominator shell, the V3 and the HD3 shell, I mean, we need
[1766.08] Mr FatShark: to move on from that.
[1767.8] Mr FatShark: And without saying too much, we're acknowledging that we have to move on from that at some
[1773.28] Mr FatShark: point.
[1774.28] Mr FatShark: But within that architecture, there's only so much you can do in terms of creating the
[1778.64] Mr FatShark: maximum field of view as possible.
[1780.88] Tony: There must be a certain field of view, which is just perfect, because when I've put Jack's
[1788.28] Tony: goggles on, which are a bigger field of view, I physically have to move my eyeballs around
[1795.16] Tony: to check the voltage and things like that.
[1797.64] Tony: With my goggles, what the V2, I can just look forward and see them in my peripheral view
[1804.12] Tony: and don't have to move them around.
[1805.88] Tony: That's what I like.
[1806.88] Tony: That's why I do not like the bigger field of view.
[1809.36] Tony: Plus, when I'm racing, going through gates, it's better to have that field of view than
[1815.4] Tony: that.
[1816.4] Tony: Yeah, the vertical.
[1817.4] Tony: So for me...
[1818.4] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[1819.4] Mr FatShark: I think that's fine.
[1820.4] Mr FatShark: Go ahead.
[1821.64] Tony: No, I was just saying, is there a perfect field of view?
[1825.48] Jack: He's like an old man, Jack.
[1828.52] Jack: He is.
[1829.52] Jack: He's like, I like the black and white TV.
[1831.48] Jack: It makes snooker more interesting.
[1834.52] Curry: I think that perfect thing is different for everyone, though, isn't it?
[1837.04] Curry: It's going to be subjective about what people do.
[1838.84] Curry: Yeah, that's the problem.
[1839.84] Tony: Maybe I should make a freestyle goggle, which is really wide, and a racing goggle and call
[1845.44] Tony: them freestyle racing.
[1846.92] Tony: Oh, Jesus.
[1847.92] Tony: There you go.
[1848.92] Tony: That's my idea.
[1850.44] Mr FatShark: What I found is that people who like the widest field of view are the people who like to do
[1855.48] Mr FatShark: more of tiny whip style flying, when you're just exploring and you want more of an immersive
[1861.48] Mr FatShark: experience.
[1862.48] Mr FatShark: You want to see the chairs and the tables and the trees around you versus people who
[1866.0] Mr FatShark: have racing gates and flying around chicanes and stuff.
[1871.48] Mr FatShark: They want a tighter field of view, so they don't have to look around as much, and so
[1874.12] Mr FatShark: their reaction time is a little bit lower.
[1875.76] Mr FatShark: There you go.
[1876.76] Mr FatShark: So that's more of a freestyle, race style goggle.
[1878.56] Tony: There you go.
[1879.56] Tony: Make a freestyle goggle and call it freestyle goggle and a racing goggle and call it racing
[1883.96] Tony: goggle.
[1884.96] UNKNOWN: Great.
[1885.96] Jack: More work.
[1886.96] Andy: I actually just think that I personally, I think the form factor of the dominator is
[1893.96] Andy: great as somebody who has to carry them a lot.
[1897.24] Andy: I think that's I would rather that than a massive field of view in a big box on my face.
[1903.16] Andy: I think what people were expecting was maybe an update to the DVR, maybe slightly more
[1907.84] Andy: IPD and the field of view being 37 I think is fine because we're using OLED, so the contrast
[1916.12] Andy: is going to be better.
[1917.32] Andy: And I think one thing that a lot of people want that is interesting listening to Greg
[1922.84] Andy: is a lot of people want switching from 16 by 9 to 4.3, and I thought it was interesting.
[1930.68] Andy: Now I think Greg's response to that was, oh, it's wasting pixels, but there are cameras
[1936.64] Andy: out there now that do a 16 by 9.
[1939.64] Andy: So I think people want that.
[1942.76] Andy: I think for me, the perfect setup would be a 4 by 3 native and a cropped 16 by 9 so that
[1950.32] Andy: you get the best of both worlds.
[1952.0] Andy: But again, everyone's different.
[1954.08] Andy: So I think that's what people were expecting from this goggle rather than just updated
[1958.36] Andy: screens.
[1959.36] Andy: But I really like the fact that it's a little better.
[1962.8] Frank: The module bay, as well, people seem pretty happy with that there's more power there and
[1967.68] Frank: they're not having to do the mod to get more power to the module bay.
[1972.88] Frank: There's people still, I mean, there's Dav in the chat and other people I've seen mentioned
[1978.84] Frank: about the power button, the power switch mods.
[1984.64] Frank: That's a really popular mod, but there's no switch on the fat sharks.
[1990.04] Frank: I think probably one of the big things about that is if you leave your battery in plugged
[1997.96] Frank: in and you don't notice it, then your battery dies and everything's gonna go horribly wrong.
[2007.44] Mr FatShark: In light of all the power button questions, I was thinking of maybe selling a service
[2010.48] Mr FatShark: for like $100 a month.
[2012.16] Mr FatShark: I will fly out to whenever you're racing and whenever you want, just give me the audio
[2016.6] Mr FatShark: signal and I'll pull the girdle jack out and then when you want to plug it back in,
[2021.44] Mr FatShark: I'll just do this.
[2023.24] Andy: See I think a switch is a bad idea because if you leave them on, you goggle's cooking
[2029.36] Andy: until your battery dies.
[2030.96] Andy: So I agree with the pulling out of the power.
[2035.04] Andy: The only thing, the only gripe I have is that the audio and the video in and out is right
[2041.72] Andy: next to it.
[2042.72] Andy: Always find myself when my goggles are on my head trying to plug into the audio jack
[2047.24] Andy: instead of the thing.
[2049.76] Andy: That's it from testing all the other goggles out.
[2052.44] Andy: That's the only thing that I do with fat sharks every single time, but it's a really small
[2056.96] Jack: thing.
[2057.96] Jack: Standard mail problem.
[2058.96] Jack: That's good feedback.
[2059.96] Jack: I mean, actually that's true.
[2060.96] Mr FatShark: I mean, I want to do a few other things too.
[2065.24] Mr FatShark: I kind of want to change the interface for the SD card.
[2068.24] Mr FatShark: It's a little bit hard to get into right now.
[2071.48] Mr FatShark: There's a lot that we have, I'm at headquarters right now, right?
[2074.8] Mr FatShark: So we're in the process of laying out our strategic roadmap for the year.
[2078.64] Mr FatShark: We're looking at a lot of features that we want to put into the next generation stuff.
[2082.92] Mr FatShark: So pursuant to what I said earlier about us reading all of your feedback, I mean, that
[2086.96] Mr FatShark: is getting aggregated right now and all the next generation stuff that is a process and
[2091.52] Mr FatShark: is starting right now is going to take that into consideration.
[2094.76] Andy: So that was actually going to be my next question.
[2097.4] Andy: So is it your, I guess it's maybe too early to say, but just like we had the HDV3, is
[2104.08] Andy: there going to be a HDOV2, a HDOV3, or is it too early for that?
[2109.92] UNKNOWN: Oh, yeah.
[2110.92] Mr FatShark: I mean, there will be, of course, there will be.
[2114.32] Mr FatShark: I mean, I think, you know, I would never tell you when the iPhone 11 or 12 was coming out.
[2121.26] Mr FatShark: Do you know this information?
[2124.62] Mr FatShark: It would be ridiculous for us to not iterate on this HDO.
[2128.38] Mr FatShark: I mean, this is the first version of a completely new architecture optically.
[2133.98] Mr FatShark: And I think there's so many things we could iterate on to make it better.
[2137.94] Mr FatShark: You know, I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people are looking for like an order of
[2141.82] Mr FatShark: magnitude improvement in quality and UX.
[2144.98] Mr FatShark: And I'm not sure if that's ever going to happen for Fat Shark.
[2146.9] Mr FatShark: I'm not sure if you're ever going to get, you know, we're at the Toyota Camry phase
[2150.86] Mr FatShark: right now.
[2151.86] Mr FatShark: I don't think we're ever going to just jump to a Lamborghini one day.
[2155.02] Mr FatShark: But I think that Greg's development process and our company philosophy is to continue
[2161.26] Mr FatShark: to build and iterate, take feedback.
[2163.9] Mr FatShark: And there will definitely be later versions of the OLED module.
[2169.42] Frank: It is funny that you mentioned Apple, because I think it is the same thing as there has
[2174.34] Frank: been the criticism of the iPhone.
[2177.82] Frank: After some point that it's got to the point where the Fat Shark design is what the Fat
[2183.94] Frank: Shark design is, is like it is optimized.
[2187.54] Frank: It is what you've been aiming for.
[2190.1] Frank: So it's not going to there's not going to be a massive step change after that.
[2194.06] Frank: Yeah, it is iteration after that point.
[2196.74] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I mean, we're not going to keep this exact same shell forever.
[2199.74] Mr FatShark: I do realize that there are IPD constraints with it.
[2202.46] Mr FatShark: We'd like there to be a wider IPD.
[2204.46] Mr FatShark: It's tough to get too much narrower because if you do, the modules will start to hit your
[2208.7] Mr FatShark: nose and it's hard to put a case around it.
[2210.9] Mr FatShark: But, yeah, I mean, I I acknowledge that I think later generations will look towards
[2219.9] Mr FatShark: different styles of headset that fit a wider range of people.
[2224.18] Mr FatShark: I mean, people get so mad at me for having a lower field of view, high quality glago.
[2230.02] Mr FatShark: And I'm like, why don't you like the transformers?
[2232.3] Mr FatShark: I mean, those are massive field of view.
[2234.46] Mr FatShark: And they're like, I don't want to fly box goggles.
[2240.78] Mr FatShark: But, yeah, I mean, the other comparison, though, is, yeah, somebody in RC groups the other
[2244.7] Mr FatShark: day, we have this long thread in RC groups of people who are actively angry and happy
[2249.74] Mr FatShark: about the HDO and someone's like, well, Fetcharks turned into Apple and they just crammed
[2255.18] Mr FatShark: these new displays down our throats and they expect us to buy them.
[2259.3] Mr FatShark: And they're just Apple and they don't care about anybody anymore.
[2261.78] Mr FatShark: And I was going to respond, great, I would love to be compared to Apple.
[2267.78] Jack: But I really, I really wouldn't like watch
[2273.86] Jack: Rossman Rossman.
[2275.1] Jack: Is it Rossman?
[2276.06] Jack: Rossman like watch his videos and you're just like, wow.
[2281.98] Jack: Like Apple, I used to be like such an Apple fanboy.
[2286.78] Jack: And then all of a sudden, like I was like, touch bar.
[2291.58] Jack: Yeah, but I can't like you've sold my RAM onto my board.
[2297.58] Jack: Sure.
[2298.9] Mr FatShark: No, I agree.
[2299.54] Mr FatShark: Like, I mean, the points that this guy was making is that, you know, he thinks we're
[2302.94] Mr FatShark: cramming technology down people's throats that they don't want.
[2305.1] Mr FatShark: And I never wanted to be perceived like that to not listen.
[2308.14] Mr FatShark: But it's just funny because like Apple has like, what, 70 trillion dollars of cash in
[2312.58] Mr FatShark: the bank? And I would say that's a pretty successful company.
[2316.02] Andy: So I know a question that came up a lot as well.
[2320.54] Andy: Is the HDO replacing the HD3 or are they going to run alongside each other?
[2327.58] Andy: And is there going to be a HDO core?
[2332.3] Mr FatShark: So the HD3 core is effectively a cost down version of the HD3, which so it's it's really
[2340.78] Mr FatShark: hard to ship lipo batteries because you have to do a bunch of aspect compliant stuff.
[2346.66] Mr FatShark: And so you can actually save a lot of money off the bill of materials if you take the
[2350.82] Mr FatShark: lipo battery out and you use like the battery case instead and just empower people to buy
[2354.9] Mr FatShark: there on 18650s.
[2356.02] Mr FatShark: So what we did is we costed down the SKU.
[2358.38] Mr FatShark: We made it a little bit more affordable and now it's 399.
[2360.78] Mr FatShark: And it's effectively an HD3 with like slowly different accessories.
[2364.58] Mr FatShark: That is still so well, people love it a lot.
[2367.02] Mr FatShark: And we want to make sure that that keeps going.
[2370.46] Mr FatShark: So we're going to leave that for now.
[2371.86] Mr FatShark: We're going to continue to manufacture it.
[2374.02] Mr FatShark: I just took a look at inventory today and we just ran out of them in fact, a shortage soon.
[2382.06] Mr FatShark: But we're going to start another production run soon.
[2384.74] Mr FatShark: We have to we have to mix that in with HDO production runs and we will support both of those
[2390.14] Mr FatShark: two for as long as there is demand.
[2392.94] Andy: So in a way you could say that the release of the HDO has done wonders for the HD3 sales
[2398.46] Andy: when it comes to, you know, it's like a positive thing that's that's come out into it.
[2406.94] Mr FatShark: It's either that or we just didn't manage our factor cubes.
[2411.78] Tony: I've seen a lot of people selling their fat sharks.
[2415.74] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I mean, what I've heard is that a lot of people are interested in updating their V3s
[2421.18] Mr FatShark: and their V2s to the HDOs.
[2424.98] Mr FatShark: And a lot of people have had their HD3s are a little bit more cautious.
[2428.9] Mr FatShark: And I think that's fair.
[2429.9] Mr FatShark: I've seen a lot of reviews out there.
[2431.06] Mr FatShark: People were like, you know, it's a step up from the HD3 to the HDO in terms of fidelity.
[2438.02] Mr FatShark: But if you really love that field of view, then then don't do it.
[2440.74] Mr FatShark: And that makes total sense.
[2442.02] Mr FatShark: I mean, I think that's fair.
[2443.62] Mr FatShark: And I think that we have a goggle that works really well for hardcore, if they'll be people
[2449.78] Mr FatShark: and hardcore fidelity people.
[2451.46] Tony: I watched Oscar Lang's video of the two different.
[2455.62] Tony: He put a video up and you can you can see the difference in his video that he put up.
[2461.26] Tony: It looks it looks a lot crisper and nicer.
[2464.66] Tony: And oh, yeah.
[2465.78] Mr FatShark: I mean, look, when you guys get your HDO.
[2468.5] Tony: Yeah. Oh, you're going to send us some for free.
[2471.86] Tony: Thank you.
[2473.5] Mr FatShark: I don't think I saw this yesterday.
[2474.94] Mr FatShark: I took a ton of shit for giving HDOs away to a couple of reviewers.
[2478.78] Mr FatShark: And what did you expect me to do?
[2480.18] Mr FatShark: I mean, these guys are the best in their field.
[2481.86] Mr FatShark: I give them hardware to review before the technology comes out so we can get some authentic
[2488.1] Mr FatShark: reviews. And they're like fat sharks giving away too much free stuff.
[2492.06] Mr FatShark: They're jerks.
[2494.14] Andy: I get it all the time being a reviewer.
[2496.62] Andy: I always get comments saying, why the hell did you get that before paying customer?
[2501.02] Andy: I'm like, yeah, because, you know, it's I have the experience of working with these and you
[2507.14] Andy: have an audience and, you know, it gets the word out there.
[2512.58] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I, you know, it's you just want to work with people who know their stuff and who are
[2517.86] Mr FatShark: respected. And it's not like I'm paying people.
[2521.02] Mr FatShark: It's not like I'm like trying to bribe people.
[2524.7] Mr FatShark: But look, I mean, I need to send out a free goggle for someone to get a good early look at
[2528.74] Mr FatShark: something. Fine. Anyway, the point I was making was when you guys do get the chance to fly
[2534.34] Mr FatShark: out the HDO, I think the best experiences that people have had is when they're actually
[2538.3] Mr FatShark: flying. So if you put it on side by side with the HD3, you're going to be like, OK, you know,
[2544.06] Mr FatShark: this looks OK. It looks a little bit better.
[2545.7] Mr FatShark: But then as soon as you start flying, there's a guy named Colby Critola in San Francisco.
[2551.26] Mr FatShark: He just posted a review like two or three hours ago and he is zipping through gates.
[2556.34] Mr FatShark: And he's like, as soon as you start to focus on like far term features like gates that are
[2562.54] Mr FatShark: far away or details that are far away and like be able to resolve those with your eyes, you
[2569.06] Mr FatShark: could see that there's a huge difference with the OLED versus an LCD screen.
[2574.5] Curry: So do you actually find, again, a little bit like Apple, where people might upgrade their
[2578.42] Curry: iPhones, that people are coming and actually upgrading goggles?
[2581.06] Curry: Because I have to admit, I went from my original Dominators to the Dominator V3s.
[2585.26] Curry: But I've stuck on those because they just work and they do everything I want.
[2589.5] Curry: Of course, I'd like to go out and buy some OLED ones, but I'd have to say that for quite a while, like
[2595.26] Curry: many people. So is it just a case of people always like, yeah, yeah, let's upgrade.
[2599.34] Curry: Let's upgrade to the next one.
[2600.38] Curry: Or are they kind of hanging on to them?
[2602.26] Curry: And I guess you want people not to hang on to them and buy the new stuff, don't you?
[2606.1] Mr FatShark: That's right. You know, it's a little bit of a mixture.
[2609.42] Mr FatShark: I mean, I think a lot of people are still still have their V3s and their V2s from several
[2614.7] Mr FatShark: years ago. And I found a little bit of an every other cycle with something like this.
[2619.46] Mr FatShark: So a lot of people before the HD3 phase have really been interested in the HDO and have
[2625.46] Mr FatShark: upgraded. But for HD3 people, they've been a little bit more cautious.
[2629.9] Mr FatShark: I don't encourage anybody to just drop their HD3 and then order an HDO without looking.
[2634.9] Jack: I mean, you're not being like Apple.
[2636.9] Jack: You're meant to have a trading screen scheme.
[2641.82] Jack: You're meant to have graphics chips that fail.
[2646.02] Jack: Just slow it down.
[2646.9] Andy: You have a button that just makes them blow up when an end product comes out.
[2652.62] Jack: You need a fingerprint locking device so that if you have it repaired by someone unofficial,
[2658.94] Jack: then you can't get access to your own goggles.
[2662.5] Jack: The other like classic thing to do is to only have certified service centers and not sell
[2676.58] Jack: anyone parts.
[2679.62] Jack: Yeah. And then you put up nets in case Greg wants to kill himself.
[2687.7] Tony: I think you lot at Fat Sharks are just chill, right?
[2695.06] Tony: Just let all the stuff come in.
[2697.14] Tony: At the end of the day, you're the top dogs.
[2699.22] Tony: Everyone rocks Fat Sharks.
[2701.34] Tony: People are going to buy them.
[2704.18] Tony: You're the best in the business and just keep doing what you're doing.
[2707.54] Tony: That's what I think.
[2708.18] Jack: Don't listen to these thick of fans.
[2709.78] Jack: They just want free goggles.
[2711.58] Mr FatShark: Maybe if you could jump up on our Facebook pages and our Rotoraya pages or everyone's
[2716.7] Mr FatShark: sitting on us and say the same thing.
[2718.18] Mr FatShark: I do appreciate it.
[2719.18] Tony: Just why?
[2720.34] Tony: Honestly, it's just a thing.
[2723.46] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[2723.78] Mr FatShark: And look, we want to take people's feedback seriously.
[2725.94] Mr FatShark: So I don't want people to think that we're ignoring them or we're just releasing whatever we want.
[2728.94] Mr FatShark: People need to have context in the hobbyist.
[2731.62] Andy: We've got a question here by Marty Scruggs.
[2734.38] Andy: I'm not sure if Grant's going to know the answer because you have engineers at Fat Shark
[2740.74] Andy: that might know this.
[2742.34] Andy: But Isshin released a goggle called the EV100 and it had a diopter adjuster built into it.
[2750.42] Andy: So you know how Fat Shark you slide the diopters in if you're short sighted, you've got minus
[2756.02] Andy: two, minus four, minus six.
[2757.82] Andy: Isshin came up with a system in the EV100 where you had a little scroll wheel.
[2763.22] Andy: And what that did was all the way up to minus six, it focused the screens.
[2767.78] Andy: But if you don't know the answer to, like, if where the Fat Shark went down,
[2778.02] Andy: looked at that avenue, I think I might know the answer.
[2781.62] Andy: I don't know the answer.
[2783.14] Andy: You don't know the answer.
[2784.1] Andy: Well, my perception of that is that the EV100 just had a ridiculously small field of view.
[2792.66] Andy: It was like they said it was 28.
[2794.66] Andy: It was like 20, 20.
[2797.54] Andy: And I would imagine that in order to be able to get that technology into the goggle,
[2802.42] Andy: they really had to shrink the field of view to fit that in there.
[2805.86] Andy: So I would say that is probably, you know, so what's it say?
[2811.38] Andy: Comment on the Isshin's focus wheel.
[2813.54] Andy: I would say that's probably why Fat Sharks don't have that because it would,
[2817.94] Andy: you'd really be compromised in the field of view at a guess.
[2821.38] Mr FatShark: I do believe that you have to change the optical stack in order to change the magnification,
[2826.18] Mr FatShark: i.e. change the focus.
[2829.7] Mr FatShark: And to do that, you need a fair amount of real estate, not just this way,
[2833.7] Mr FatShark: but this way, back and forth.
[2835.7] Mr FatShark: And it makes it really hard to fit a lot of stuff inside of the goggle.
[2838.82] Mr FatShark: I mean, I can ask Al in a little bit here, but I think that's the problem.
[2844.9] Jack: How many people whinging, do you reckon, like, remember the days of the teleporter V1s?
[2851.22] Jack: And, man, I hated those.
[2854.5] Jack: Like, I'm sorry.
[2855.62] Mr FatShark: I still see a lot of them out there, actually.
[2857.22] Mr FatShark: Like, I'll go to like a school or like a church or something where they do like small FPV events
[2861.3] Mr FatShark: and they would have bought 100 teleporters.
[2863.62] Mr FatShark: And I'm like, these are not good for anybody.
[2867.46] Jack: I literally want to set light to them.
[2871.3] Jack: Like, I'm sorry, but, you know, back then they were like,
[2875.38] Jack: but I owned Dom V1s, man.
[2877.46] Jack: And I've never met anything that, like, other than my Dyson, Hoover,
[2884.02] Jack: can extract dust quite like they could.
[2887.86] Jack: But they were lovely.
[2889.3] Jack: Like, I did like them, but, man, they were like...
[2893.3] Jack: Yeah, they did get dust that I do.
[2895.06] Jack: They were just unreal.
[2896.82] Jack: Like, you know, they were just magnet, dust magnets.
[2901.78] Tony: Can you take the faceplate off and put on the new goggles that you got?
[2906.74] Jack: Yeah, it's the same shell.
[2907.7] Jack: He said that.
[2909.46] Jack: Okay.
[2909.7] Jack: Sorry.
[2910.9] Andy: Well, we should ask for Tony's benefit.
[2914.5] Andy: Are the surround...
[2916.98] Andy: Is it pleather or is it real leather?
[2920.02] Mr FatShark: It is pleather.
[2921.78] Mr FatShark: E-leather.
[2922.5] Mr FatShark: Vegan leather.
[2923.78] Andy: Well done.
[2924.5] Jack: That's not very apple of you.
[2927.06] Andy: I love that shark even more now.
[2929.06] Andy: Tony's a vegan, so I thought I'd ask that question.
[2932.42] Mr FatShark: You can get that pleather with the Dominator and Attitude Fit Kit, too.
[2936.9] Mr FatShark: So you can get them for your girl.
[2938.58] Andy: I think that's going to be really popular,
[2940.42] Andy: because the one thing I don't like about the faceplate
[2943.54] Andy: is that foam that just absorbs.
[2945.86] Andy: It just sucks in all of the stuff.
[2948.58] Jack: I like the foam.
[2950.02] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2950.66] Jack: I don't like that the foam cover bit comes loose, right?
[2954.58] Jack: It does, yeah.
[2955.86] Jack: And then I've got bits of foam.
[2957.78] Tony: Wear my goggles, Jack says, and it's just...
[2960.58] Tony: You can wring them out with sweat.
[2962.82] Jack: Good. It keeps you away from my things.
[2964.74] Andy: The thing is, anything that you're going to be moving
[2967.3] Andy: on and off of your face is going to wear.
[2969.38] Andy: I have no doubt that the leather will wear as well,
[2972.42] Andy: but you'll be able to buy it.
[2974.5] Andy: Not the other pleather here.
[2977.7] Andy: I think that'll always be a problem.
[2979.3] Andy: It just looks more comfortable,
[2980.82] Andy: and you could probably wipe it off easier, I think.
[2984.9] Frank: I've got an actual idea about the whole power switch thing.
[2989.38] Frank: How about an LED that points downwards from the goggles,
[2994.82] Frank: so when you've got it on your forehead,
[2996.9] Frank: you can see whether it's still plugged in or not.
[2999.54] Frank: Like, it just shines a light at you being like,
[3002.02] Frank: by the way, it's still plugged in.
[3003.86] Andy: Well, doesn't the DVR do that, though?
[3005.62] Andy: It's got a red light on it.
[3008.26] Jack: Frank, you're a genius.
[3009.86] Jack: What you need is inactivity alarm.
[3013.54] Jack: Point the nearest, most enlightening dinner lady you can,
[3018.26] Jack: right, in her most disgruntled day,
[3021.14] Jack: phone her up at four in the morning,
[3022.74] Jack: and ask her to say, inactivity alarm.
[3027.78] Andy: So, just so Grant's aware,
[3029.14] Andy: we now want him to produce a pair of goggles
[3032.9] Andy: that talk to you.
[3034.42] Jack: No, never.
[3036.26] Jack: See what I mean?
[3036.9] Jack: The homer, the homer part.
[3038.18] Andy: This is why they can never make the...
[3040.42] Andy: You're absolutely right.
[3041.54] Tony: The worst thing about putting a fat shark goggle in
[3044.26] Tony: is finding the battery hole.
[3049.7] Jack: No, there's a reason for that,
[3052.42] Jack: is that they released a wire kit,
[3055.7] Jack: and you could have an external battery,
[3057.54] Jack: and that's why they're next to each other.
[3059.62] Tony: Yeah, I like the existing battery bit,
[3062.02] Tony: but trying to find that old man.
[3064.66] Tony: That comes from the Dominator SE series.
[3069.86] Tony: It's like I've been off the game for a few years,
[3071.78] Curry: you know what I mean?
[3074.02] Curry: For me, I need idiot protection on the buttons.
[3076.82] Curry: I've been out flying.
[3077.78] Curry: I was like, oh, I didn't start my DVR,
[3079.54] Curry: and I clicked this way,
[3080.98] Curry: and then suddenly it went to 3D mode,
[3082.5] Curry: because I clicked the wrong button.
[3083.78] Curry: But, you know, some sort of idiot proofing for me
[3086.02] Curry: would be useful.
[3087.46] Mr FatShark: Yeah, so I think with that a little bit,
[3090.66] Mr FatShark: A, it doesn't have 3D mode,
[3092.02] Mr FatShark: but B, I do believe that the DVR is a little bit more evident
[3094.9] Mr FatShark: when you turn it on and off.
[3096.1] Tony: Oh, so, say what I mean.
[3102.74] Andy: What?
[3105.14] Andy: You broke up there, Tony,
[3106.34] Andy: but the question I was asking
[3107.46] Andy: said that OLED doesn't have the 3D option in it,
[3109.7] Andy: like the HD3s.
[3111.3] Andy: That's correct.
[3112.02] Andy: Yeah, I didn't know that.
[3114.1] Andy: Another thing I wanted to ask as well is-
[3116.1] Andy: He's not buying them.
[3118.1] Andy: No, no, no, I probably will,
[3120.98] Andy: as I said to him already.
[3122.98] Andy: It's got HDMI in,
[3125.94] Andy: and the HD3s, when you plugged HDMI in,
[3128.26] Andy: went to 16 by 9.
[3130.02] Andy: Do you know if that's the case
[3131.14] Andy: with these new OLED ones,
[3132.9] Andy: with them being an HD screen, you know?
[3135.78] Andy: You know, I don't actually.
[3138.58] Andy: I feel like it should, but-
[3140.42] Andy: Yeah, I'm not sure.
[3141.54] Andy: That's the one thing I couldn't take away
[3143.3] Andy: from any of the reviews that came out,
[3145.06] Andy: and I should be seeing a pair tomorrow.
[3147.62] Andy: So I'm gonna see if I can take a look at that.
[3151.7] Andy: Let me check real quick.
[3156.35] Andy: Because obviously with them being OLED screens
[3158.59] Andy: and them being HD,
[3160.03] Andy: I mean, that's the other limitation of FPV
[3163.31] Andy: is that we're limited to,
[3165.71] Andy: what, 500 odd lines with PAL anyways,
[3169.87] Andy: and 480 lines with NTSC.
[3172.35] Andy: So the big advantage is going to be HD FPV.
[3177.23] Andy: People with the, what's it called?
[3180.27] Andy: The Konex system and the Phantoms and stuff.
[3183.71] Mr FatShark: For the four people left who are still running
[3185.79] Mr FatShark: on Konex systems, you'll have a better time.
[3188.51] Mr FatShark: Yeah, true.
[3188.99] Mr FatShark: That's true.
[3189.55] Jack: I mean-
[3189.95] Jack: He's getting into the whole let's throw now.
[3192.91] Andy: This is how you do let's throw now.
[3195.95] Mr FatShark: Well, let's give you guys a little bit of context.
[3197.79] Mr FatShark: I mean, we had that base HD goggle,
[3200.51] Mr FatShark: which we kind of started fleshing out last year,
[3204.43] Mr FatShark: early last year.
[3205.39] Mr FatShark: And that's based on an Elcos chipset,
[3207.63] Mr FatShark: which is liquid crystal on silicon.
[3209.71] Mr FatShark: It's like super HD and it's all digital.
[3212.75] Mr FatShark: So you can only do HDMI in,
[3215.23] Mr FatShark: but what we found is like not enough people want to buy them
[3217.71] Mr FatShark: because not enough people are flying digital.
[3219.39] Mr FatShark: They're just not confident enough in whatever's out there,
[3221.71] Mr FatShark: whether that's Konex or whatever.
[3224.19] Mr FatShark: And it just never was commercially viable to make them.
[3227.71] Mr FatShark: So, I mean, the HD, HDMI in on the HDO is,
[3234.59] Mr FatShark: it should produce an awesome image
[3236.43] Mr FatShark: for anybody who watches HD video.
[3238.91] Mr FatShark: But I'm a little bit worried that that's shrinking every day.
[3243.95] Andy: Yeah, I think Ledred plugged his into the computer
[3246.51] Andy: and just went, oh, wow,
[3247.71] Andy: then it could like you can you can do that with HDMI.
[3252.11] Andy: So yeah, I think but when it comes to what we do,
[3255.39] Andy: but I very rarely plug the Phantom into my fat shocks.
[3259.07] Andy: But when I do it, it looks fantastic there.
[3261.55] Andy: So I think, yeah, you're going to be able to do that.
[3265.63] Andy: A question I had as well,
[3267.15] Andy: I know we're coming up, we're coming up to the hour.
[3268.99] Andy: So you know, you're probably exhausted from from all of this.
[3273.07] Jack: No, he's had to deal with the rote a riot page.
[3277.23] Andy: Yeah, I don't want to feel like like we're grilling them
[3279.47] Andy: because I appreciate him coming on here and chatting to us.
[3282.91] Andy: But yeah, there was we talked about it earlier.
[3286.03] Andy: People concerned about the OLED lifespan,
[3289.63] Andy: which I think is daft anyways,
[3292.19] Andy: because, you know, like you say, there's so many screens.
[3295.23] Andy: And my question is, is fat shark still going to sort of honor
[3300.11] Andy: the warranty that it currently does with the LCDs?
[3302.91] Andy: Like I've had to replace my LCDs twice in the space of a year.
[3308.43] Andy: And is it going to be the same with the OLED screens?
[3312.27] Andy: Like you'll get the same service as you do currently.
[3314.91] Andy: Or is there like a because there's like a limited life of OLED?
[3319.55] Andy: Is that going to change?
[3322.03] Mr FatShark: Yeah, so the short answer is, yeah, of course,
[3324.19] Mr FatShark: I mean, the warranties, the warranty, it's two years,
[3326.03] Mr FatShark: we have three service centers around the world.
[3328.43] Mr FatShark: And, you know, we stand by the products.
[3330.43] Mr FatShark: But the long answer to that is OLEDs are rated for like tens
[3336.75] Mr FatShark: of thousands of hours of service life with no burn in.
[3339.63] Mr FatShark: And cinemas have existed for years now.
[3343.31] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I've been zero problems with burning on those.
[3346.35] Mr FatShark: I'm kind of wondering if people are just like, you know, trying to
[3352.19] Mr FatShark: make it sound bad.
[3353.55] Mr FatShark: This is one of my conspiracy theories and we launched like,
[3355.55] Mr FatShark: why are people shitting on OLED?
[3357.63] Andy: I didn't understand that at all.
[3359.15] Andy: OLEDs in everything.
[3360.35] Andy: It's in phones, it's in viewfinders, you know,
[3363.79] Andy: and then I kept seeing these comments.
[3365.31] Andy: OLEDs volatile.
[3366.27] Andy: I'm like, oh, maybe it is then if this guy's saying that, you know,
[3370.03] Andy: I don't think it is.
[3371.47] Mr FatShark: I'm just kind of wondering if that's like some Russian campaign to like smear Thatcher.
[3377.55] Jack: Run by Putin himself.
[3381.31] Jack: Discruncelled employee, Andy Arce.
[3384.43] Andy: Yeah, me in disguise.
[3386.35] Mr FatShark: I don't know.
[3387.71] Mr FatShark: Yeah, well, I think that's great.
[3389.71] Mr FatShark: There's always a chance that it could burn in.
[3391.47] Mr FatShark: And look, I know there's issues around OSDs
[3394.99] Mr FatShark: that are going to be activating those pixels all the time.
[3398.11] Mr FatShark: And we wouldn't have developed the product if we didn't think that it could live up
[3402.59] Mr FatShark: to the performance standards that we're marketing around it.
[3405.07] Mr FatShark: And if it does not live up to that, then we will for sure replace it.
[3410.27] Mr FatShark: We'll support it under the warranty.
[3412.67] Andy: So how long have you guys been testing OLED for?
[3415.31] Andy: I take it.
[3415.79] Andy: It's been quite a while.
[3418.11] Mr FatShark: Yeah, a lot of people have had them for six, eight months.
[3421.23] Mr FatShark: Greg has been flying them for well over a year.
[3426.11] Mr FatShark: And yeah, they've been great so far.
[3427.55] Mr FatShark: Something interesting too, that base HD, those LCOS systems.
[3430.67] Mr FatShark: So if you want to do some digging,
[3433.79] Mr FatShark: look into any goggle that is actually shipping an LCOS panel.
[3439.23] Mr FatShark: Top Sky.
[3441.23] Mr FatShark: Sure.
[3442.27] Mr FatShark: And you may find that they are going to have some production issues around long-term support
[3447.79] Mr FatShark: and maintenance in those LCOS panels.
[3449.87] Mr FatShark: Because those are very difficult to engineer and deliver at high yields,
[3454.03] Mr FatShark: and very difficult to support long-term without dust and other garbage.
[3458.35] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[3459.07] Mr FatShark: They've got repair centers, right?
[3460.67] Andy: I know they haven't.
[3462.43] Andy: I took my, I received a pair of the Top Skies and had a little speck of dust
[3467.87] Andy: on the screens.
[3469.63] Andy: I thought, oh, I'll take it apart.
[3470.91] Andy: It'll be easy to clean out.
[3472.51] Andy: And then I instantly realized that LCOS requires a dustproof environment to build.
[3478.51] Andy: And the minute that you compromise that, the goggle's finished.
[3484.27] Andy: Yeah.
[3484.59] Andy: So yeah, it's an interesting technology, liquid crystal on silicon,
[3489.71] Andy: because it uses mirrors to project an image.
[3495.71] Mr FatShark: And yeah, it's pretty cheap, too.
[3499.63] Mr FatShark: And the thing is, is that all the LCOS manufacturers have been trying to push them
[3503.95] Mr FatShark: and get people to develop headsets around them.
[3505.87] Mr FatShark: So they're offering deals on like, hey, make a new headset.
[3509.23] Mr FatShark: We'll give you these LCOS chips for cheap.
[3511.23] Mr FatShark: And it's kind of affected the market a little bit.
[3514.43] Mr FatShark: I do want to address one more thing, if I could, before I go, fellows.
[3517.87] Mr FatShark: And it's that I've seen a lot of people asking whether we could
[3520.99] Mr FatShark: put the glyph technology inside of the dominator shells, too.
[3528.03] Mr FatShark: And so I used to work at Abadon, and we made the glyph as well.
[3531.87] Mr FatShark: And that technology is something called DLP, or digital light processing.
[3536.11] Mr FatShark: It's for Texas Instruments in Texas, obviously.
[3541.07] Mr FatShark: So someone hoovering.
[3546.19] Mr FatShark: I don't know anything.
[3546.99] Mr FatShark: So the problem with DLP, you guys can still hear me okay, right?
[3551.87] Mr FatShark: Yeah, we can.
[3552.91] Mr FatShark: Okay, yeah.
[3553.55] Mr FatShark: The problem with DLP is that it's very expensive on a chip-like chip basis.
[3557.79] Frank: What is DLP?
[3559.63] Frank: So it's like little micromirrors again.
[3561.55] Andy: Actually, it's actually very similar to liquid crystal on silicon.
[3566.51] Andy: It's what's used in projectors, and you know how expensive projectors are.
[3570.51] Mr FatShark: Yeah, check us in the mail, Andy.
[3574.19] Andy: These guys are going to help me even more.
[3577.23] Curry: We just call it a payslip.
[3579.63] Andy: I know a lot about this technology because I used to repair projectors,
[3583.63] Andy: so it fascinated me.
[3584.83] Andy: That's why I took apart the LCOS, and that's why I'm fascinated by OLED as well.
[3590.75] Andy: So yeah, I'm a big fan of all this technology.
[3593.47] Jack: Andy, if you want a dust-free environment, just buy some Dom V1s, mate.
[3597.87] Jack: It will sort our right out.
[3600.91] Jack: How were they, mate?
[3601.87] Jack: Because they had mirrors in as well.
[3604.67] Mr FatShark: The glyphs or the DLPs?
[3606.51] Jack: No, the fact-shot Dom1s.
[3609.87] Jack: Ah, geez, I don't know.
[3611.07] Mr FatShark: I think the gram wasn't there, probably.
[3612.91] Mr FatShark: Yeah, I think it's the same Koppen LCD module.
[3617.87] Mr FatShark: It's just a matter of the optical stack on top of it,
[3620.83] Mr FatShark: which may not have been as robust as the current stack.
[3625.81] Mr FatShark: Oh, I should finish the DLP thread, though, and that is...
[3632.29] Mr FatShark: It's just economically difficult to do it
[3635.09] Mr FatShark: without making a goggle that costs, like, $1,200.
[3638.77] Mr FatShark: So, I mean, yields are a little bit low when you're creating DLP goggles.
[3645.01] Mr FatShark: You end up screwing up one out of three optical stacks that you build,
[3648.77] Mr FatShark: so you basically toss the DLP out.
[3650.69] Mr FatShark: And then to be able to put it inside of a stack, have no dust,
[3654.93] Mr FatShark: and then put all the optics on top of it
[3656.85] Mr FatShark: so you get this really great, crisp, clean display
[3659.97] Mr FatShark: is very time-consuming and complicated.
[3663.97] Mr FatShark: And when you fly with something like that...
[3667.65] Mr FatShark: I mean, another answer to the why is there no power switch button
[3670.77] Mr FatShark: is when Greg created these goggles,
[3673.97] Mr FatShark: he wants them to be as easy as possible
[3675.73] Mr FatShark: so that as few things can fail as possible when you're flying.
[3679.17] Mr FatShark: Last thing you want is flying 80 miles an hour,
[3681.09] Mr FatShark: and, like, some switch gets bumped or something like that.
[3684.53] Mr FatShark: And with DLP, it's kind of like that, too.
[3687.49] Mr FatShark: You have so many, like, components
[3691.25] Mr FatShark: and things that are necessary to create that great image.
[3694.93] Mr FatShark: On the glyph, for example, you have those rotating optics,
[3698.13] Mr FatShark: but those optics would also rotate out of place when you're flying
[3701.49] Mr FatShark: and you would suddenly lose focus and, like, you wouldn't be able to see well.
[3705.41] Mr FatShark: And you don't want that level of complexity in a goggle,
[3708.53] Mr FatShark: a 1200 goggle, mind you, when you're competing.
[3712.13] Mr FatShark: It's just not worth the trade-off for quality.
[3717.57] Mr FatShark: Economies of scale is the short answer.
[3719.01] Jack: Okay. Frank, anything else? Andy, I see.
[3724.05] Andy: My problem is, I could talk all day on this subject.
[3728.61] Andy: So, yeah, I'm trying to resist.
[3731.65] Jack: I mean, if he's got time, you can, by all means, you guys can do...
[3740.21] Mr FatShark: Okay, say hi to you before I let you guys go, okay?
[3743.49] Mr FatShark: He's eating some chicken wings right now, so this is perfect time for him.
[3747.09] Mr FatShark: No, it's okay. We just got lunch, so...
[3750.85] Mr FatShark: Do you know what Andy actually is?
[3755.01] Mr FatShark: He should do it. He's on your payroll.
[3761.01] Mr FatShark: Oh, well, we just got finished talking about the HTO.
[3762.77] Mr FatShark: I gave him a broad update on the technology.
[3764.69] Mr FatShark: It was a really nice, good conversation,
[3766.77] Mr FatShark: but I just wanted to see you say hi, too.
[3769.17] Jack: I don't recognise him without Josh Bixler standing next to him grinning.
[3774.29] Jack: Oh, you're being held hostage.
[3776.77] Mr FatShark: You guys have any...
[3779.01] Mr FatShark: Any mean criticism for Greg now that he's standing right in front of you?
[3784.45] Frank: Don't kill yourself, man.
[3786.13] Frank: Don't go on to write a page.
[3787.57] Andy: I think just what we said before, which is like, try not...
[3791.81] Andy: We were saying that there's all these ideas coming in about what the goggle should be,
[3795.81] Andy: and everyone has got an idea of what the perfect goggle is, but you cannot make that goggle.
[3802.29] Andy: So just keep doing the innovation and try and ignore the negative, I would say,
[3810.37] Andy: because at the end of the day, anyone on the flight lines wearing flat sharks,
[3816.21] Andy: regardless to what anyone says.
[3819.49] Jack: Yeah.
[3819.97] Mr FatShark: Like, we don't innovate a lot of that stuff.
[3822.77] Mr FatShark: We are working on it.
[3823.65] Mr FatShark: The problem is your biggest thing is reliability,
[3827.41] Mr FatShark: and you guys trust it.
[3828.13] Mr FatShark: You need to use it to get your tools.
[3829.73] Mr FatShark: So if we try to roll too much innovation in one go, yeah.
[3833.65] Jack: You'll end up killing someone.
[3837.49] Jack: If something goes wrong, you're going to blend someone's face off.
[3841.89] Mr FatShark: We're not going to stop where we're at.
[3843.01] Mr FatShark: So don't worry.
[3843.73] Mr FatShark: I'm going to finish this lunch, dude.
[3845.33] Mr FatShark: So see you later.
[3846.61] Andy: Yeah.
[3847.65] Andy: Thanks.
[3848.21] Andy: Thanks for that.
[3848.85] Andy: That was awesome.
[3850.69] Jack: Look after him.
[3851.81] Jack: Make sure he's all right.
[3855.01] Mr FatShark: We're all working on all the next-gen stuff here.
[3860.13] Jack: If you want to feel better, read some of the Let's Show and Out comments, man.
[3868.13] Jack: For some of the stuff I say, man, I'm surprised they don't lynch me.
[3872.61] Mr FatShark: I mean, look at the comment section.
[3874.05] Mr FatShark: People have been really nice.
[3874.85] Mr FatShark: So I mean, I guess to them before I go for the community, I mean,
[3878.61] Mr FatShark: look, fat shark, we're doing our best to ingest as much feedback as possible.
[3883.17] Mr FatShark: I'd encourage you to fly the HDO before you ingest too many critical reviews of it
[3887.97] Mr FatShark: because it's a great flight experience.
[3889.17] Mr FatShark: But yeah, I mean, if you have any criticism, drop it in.
[3891.33] Mr FatShark: We'll read it for sure.
[3892.21] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[3892.69] Frank: Do we know if anyone's bringing a pair to Mini Air Show?
[3896.05] Andy: I think Painless has come into Mini Air Show.
[3899.81] Andy: And so I'll ask him.
[3901.73] Andy: I'm seeing him tomorrow.
[3903.01] Andy: So I'll ask him if he'll bring them to Mini Air Show.
[3905.73] Frank: And see if he can pass them around.
[3907.57] Frank: Yeah.
[3908.05] Frank: Yeah.
[3909.65] Andy: Also, is there anywhere that people can sort of...
[3912.45] Andy: You talked about listening to the community about
[3915.49] Andy: what people want from a goggle.
[3916.85] Andy: And you talked about polls and stuff like that.
[3919.25] Andy: Is there any one place that you would like people to go to
[3922.69] Andy: to give these sort of ideas?
[3926.13] Mr FatShark: Yeah.
[3926.37] Mr FatShark: I mean, it seems like the best growing community right now is the community hub and Fat Shark.
[3931.89] Mr FatShark: So if you go to Fat Shark's Facebook group, basically, there is a link to our community
[3939.65] Mr FatShark: group, which is a place for people to just talk about their goggles and what they like
[3943.01] Mr FatShark: and don't like.
[3943.57] Mr FatShark: And kind of for me to give updates and stuff like that.
[3946.05] Mr FatShark: It's like a totally open forum for people to communicate.
[3950.93] Curry: Just asked to join.
[3952.21] Curry: Membership pending so I can give you my long list of features that you can ignore.
[3958.13] Mr FatShark: I'm going to go reject this.
[3963.17] Jack: Would you like to know the results of the straw poll?
[3966.21] Andy: I didn't know we were doing a straw poll.
[3967.97] Andy: What was it?
[3969.25] Jack: I asked what type of goggles do you have?
[3971.97] Jack: And would you like to know who the winner was?
[3976.93] Curry: If it's not Fat Shark, this could be awkward.
[3979.89] Jack: It is Fat Shark.
[3980.93] Jack: So tell Greg to put like one more foot back on the stall.
[3985.41] Jack: And then the next.
[3987.01] Jack: So 67% Fat Shark's, 22% box goggles, and 11%, no, 10% because Tony
[3996.29] Jack: and Andy RC just voted.
[4000.53] Andy: I haven't voted.
[4002.61] Andy: I didn't realise you were doing it.
[4004.37] Jack: Fat Shark are winning 73.
[4007.01] Jack: It's increasing the lead, yeah.
[4010.61] Jack: I didn't vote either.
[4014.69] Andy: Can we put this Facebook page in the chat?
[4020.77] Andy: Yes, please, I would love that.
[4022.45] Andy: Please zero if you're still listening.
[4025.09] Andy: Has somebody done that already?
[4027.41] Andy: Has anyone got any more questions for Grant?
[4030.05] Andy: Or are we all Fat Sharked out?
[4033.25] Mr FatShark: I actually have to step away in a second here too.
[4035.17] Mr FatShark: So yeah, I think we've already got them.
[4039.09] Jack: Thank you.
[4039.57] Jack: You've been listening to Let Shrown Out.
[4040.77] Jack: We've been joined by and powered by Andrew slash Frank.
[4045.25] Jack: Goodbye.
[4047.17] Jack: Andy RC, the head of Fat Shark.
[4051.57] Andy: Thanks for listening and watching on YouTube.
[4053.65] Andy: Cheers.
[4054.77] Jack: Tony, you're going to have to unmute yourself.
[4059.33] Jack: I can't unmute you.
[4060.53] Andy: You've got a nude idea.
[4061.81] Jack: Unmute yourself.
[4065.41] Jack: And Kerry Kitten.
[4066.85] Jack: Hello and goodbye.
[4068.29] Jack: And Grant from Fat Shark.
[4070.21] Mr FatShark: Bye guys, thanks for everything.
[4071.49] Jack: Thank you so much for coming on.
[4072.85] Jack: Really appreciate it.
[4073.97] Jack: It's real.
[4075.09] Jack: I know it's supposed to be the other way around,
[4076.77] Jack: but as a B-Ray podcast,
[4079.89] Jack: I'm really honored by your presence and waste of time.
[4085.33] Mr FatShark: That was a lot of fun coming on, guys.
[4086.53] Mr FatShark: I appreciate it.
[4087.41] Mr FatShark: Anytime, all right?
[4088.45] Jack: Yeah.
[4088.69] Jack: Oh, thank you.
[4089.89] Jack: Cool.
[4090.61] Jack: Good night.
[4091.57] Jack: Take care, guys.
[4092.53] Andy: Cheers.
[4094.77] UNKNOWN: Telemetry lost.