=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 144 ===
Title: 144 - Tony's regime
Recorded: 2018-05-31
Hosts: Andy, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,937
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBSuC3rtvRw); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/452883786-letsdroneout-144-tonys-regime.m4a)
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[0.0] Frank: Let's drone out now.
[8.85] Tony: It's live, Yeti.
[12.73] Tony: I can read and I know what the...
[17.13] Jack: Oh my god.
[19.13] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[23.13] Jack: I am under duress.
[25.13] Jack: If you're my family members, please send help.
[28.13] Jack: Tony is blackmailing me and I am no longer allowed to have a personality.
[34.93] Jack: Tony's in charge.
[36.33] Jack: I've got a list of demands from Tony.
[38.13] Jack: Don't make fun of Tony.
[39.93] Jack: Treat Tony godlike for Tony is infallible.
[42.93] Jack: Even though he doesn't know what that word means.
[44.93] Jack: What does it mean, Tony?
[45.93] Tony: You had to ask an elder.
[48.93] Jack: What? No.
[49.93] Jack: I had to ask kind of speller.
[53.93] Tony: Is this the start? Me and you fighting already?
[57.33] Jack: Yeah.
[58.33] Jack: That's the premise.
[59.33] Curry: It's usually the middle and the ending as well.
[60.33] Curry: Yeah.
[62.13] Jack: Tonight we are joined by Andrew slash Frank.
[65.13] Jack: Hello.
[67.73] Jack: Also by Andy RC.
[70.13] AndyRC: Good evening, everybody.
[72.13] Jack: And we are also joined by one fifth of Andy RC.
[77.93] Jack: Curry kitten.
[79.13] Curry: One fifth.
[79.93] Curry: Oh, okay.
[80.93] Curry: I'm working with subscribers up there.
[84.93] Jack: Yeah, I'm like 100th of Andy RC.
[89.93] AndyRC: We should all congratulate Wayne on 10,000.
[92.33] AndyRC: That's a huge milestone.
[94.33] AndyRC: Well done.
[95.33] Jack: Very good.
[96.33] Jack: Thank you.
[98.53] Jack: Very kind.
[99.53] Jack: And my blackmailer Tony.
[105.53] Tony: Roger.
[108.73] Tony: If you're not nice to me, I'll just leave.
[111.93] Jack: No, see, I said, I said, if you don't want me on, if you don't
[118.13] Jack: want me to be a dick, then I can go to the makerspace.
[122.53] Jack: And then you said no, because then you wouldn't come on.
[125.33] Jack: I can't win.
[126.93] Jack: What's the makerspace?
[129.93] Jack: Frank, do you want to?
[130.93] Frank: It's a place where people go to make things using lots of
[134.93] Frank: tools that you don't have space for in your own home.
[137.13] AndyRC: All right.
[138.73] AndyRC: Well, just places just started all around the UK or something
[142.73] AndyRC: all around the world.
[143.93] Tony: Are you snacking?
[145.93] Tony: What are you eating?
[147.53] AndyRC: Yeah, I was told this was going to be entertaining.
[149.73] AndyRC: So I've got some popcorn.
[154.53] AndyRC: Just don't mind me.
[155.33] AndyRC: Carry on blackmail and all that business.
[162.99] Jack: I'm afraid to talk.
[165.79] Jack: I'm like not allowed to like be me or talk about anything.
[169.39] Frank: Have another sip of tea and it'll all be fine.
[172.59] Jack: Saving that for later.
[176.59] Jack: I'm not thirsty yet.
[179.59] Curry: Shall we talk about drone stuff?
[182.79] AndyRC: Make a change, wouldn't it?
[184.19] AndyRC: If we must.
[184.99] Jack: Oh, hang on.
[185.99] Jack: Let me write that down.
[188.19] Tony: Oh, God.
[188.99] Tony: He's going to be intolerable all show, isn't he?
[192.19] Tony: Let's make this dead on 9 o'clock.
[194.99] Tony: Will you finish yet?
[198.19] AndyRC: Why Tony?
[199.59] AndyRC: I don't understand.
[200.59] Tony: Why is that?
[202.39] Tony: I think I can actually stop this.
[204.99] Tony: Let me see.
[206.19] AndyRC: Why is there so much tension in this episode?
[209.59] Frank: Well, obviously, everyone's really worried about the drone regulations.
[213.59] Tony: Exactly.
[215.79] Tony: Well done.
[217.59] Tony: Colin.
[218.59] Frank: Because the news have been shouting about all the drone regulations
[222.99] Frank: and no one's allowed to fly and we're all going to get shots lined up
[225.99] Frank: against the wall and everything and it's all going to go horribly
[228.39] Frank: wrong, which isn't entirely accurate yet.
[233.19] Frank: Give it a while at the moment.
[235.99] Frank: What's being confirmed is that so
[241.29] Frank: as we've discussed on the show before they're talking about bringing
[244.69] Frank: in a drone bill and that's had its first reading in Parliament.
[248.99] Frank: It's going to have its second reading in Parliament sometime next year
[252.79] Frank: and there'll be more things that happen and it's not going to happen
[256.59] Frank: for quite a long while.
[257.69] Frank: So that's all the stuff about registration and all that sort of stuff
[261.99] Frank: and they've got bigger things to worry about before they get around to
[266.39] Frank: that and don't worry about that yet.
[268.79] Frank: It's not going to happen for a long while.
[270.59] Frank: But what has happened is that in meanwhile, while that's sort of left
[277.59] Frank: to one side, there's been an amendment to the ANO.
[282.69] Frank: So the ANO is the Air Navigation Order, which is the bit of legislation
[287.99] Frank: that covers all kinds of aircraft from model aircraft up to rockets
[294.89] Frank: up to commercial airliners all under one bit of legislation
[300.39] Frank: and they've updated that yesterday, 30th of May 2018 to say
[306.19] Frank: that as of July, end of July 2018, there will be an absolute ceiling
[316.09] Frank: for all small unmanned aerial systems.
[321.09] Frank: So that's anything that flies that doesn't have a person in it
[326.29] Frank: that's up to 20 kilos at the moment.
[329.89] Frank: So frisbee?
[331.59] Frank: Yes, I think that's also not allowed to go above 400 feet after July.
[339.09] Frank: You may have an issue there.
[340.59] Frank: Giving up frisbee.
[341.69] AndyRC: That sounds like a cool frisbee though.
[343.79] Frank: Yeah, you have to give a hell of a swing to that.
[347.09] Frank: It's all in the wrist actually.
[348.29] Frank: I've had years of practice.
[350.39] Jack: Is the frisbee allowed to talk about what it wants to on its own show?
[354.09] Frank: No, it's not.
[356.69] Frank: So the ceiling of 400 feet and there's a limitation for how far away
[366.69] Frank: you are.
[366.99] Frank: So you have to be at least a kilometer away from the boundary of any
[371.49] Frank: controlled airfield.
[373.09] AndyRC: No, they said like a protected aerodrome.
[376.49] Frank: Yeah.
[376.89] Frank: Yeah.
[378.09] Frank: So that means that a place like Popem, which is like I mentioned
[384.29] AndyRC: Popem, didn't it?
[385.09] Frank: And one of the other interesting.
[388.09] Frank: So Popem is an uncontrolled airfield and so it doesn't have a
[393.89] Frank: control tower telling people what to do.
[395.89] Frank: It's just a field where people happen to be landing a lot.
[399.49] Curry: That sounds more dangerous than FPV, doesn't it?
[401.89] Curry: Just full size planes coming into each other.
[405.29] Frank: A little bit, but it's kind of it works the same way as cars.
[407.69] Frank: Everyone kind of looks at what everyone else is doing and it kind of
[410.29] Frank: works out.
[410.79] Frank: So it's fine.
[411.59] Curry: Well, they give way to the right.
[413.29] Frank: Yeah, pretty much.
[415.39] Curry: So the one interesting thing about this is the 400 foot rule as I
[420.69] Curry: thought been a rule for a long time.
[422.09] Curry: It's been in the ANO forever, hasn't it?
[424.19] AndyRC: So now it hasn't been enforcement.
[426.99] AndyRC: No, actually what the rule was, from what I understand, is there
[433.29] AndyRC: was never actually a rule.
[435.89] AndyRC: It has to be kept within line of sight.
[439.89] AndyRC: So I believe that before you could go above 400 feet if you could
[446.39] AndyRC: see the model still.
[447.59] AndyRC: Is that right, Andy?
[448.59] Tony: It's your spotter, isn't it?
[450.19] Tony: You can go to a thousand foot if you've got a spotter, you can
[453.09] Tony: still see that.
[454.49] Frank: So up until the end of July, the rules, the actual legal rules as
[459.99] Frank: they stand are that if you're flying line of sight, there's no
[463.69] Frank: actual technical sealing as long as you can see it and you're
[466.79] Frank: following all the other rules of not endangering people and you
[469.69] Frank: are in control and whatever else.
[472.19] AndyRC: Which is daft really, isn't it?
[475.49] AndyRC: However, you can't really see a model no matter how big above
[478.99] AndyRC: that height anyway.
[479.79] AndyRC: So it's a bit of a, it's one of those where, you know, the
[483.19] Frank: reason they do this sort of thing is that they want the law
[487.29] Frank: to be, you know, covering everything and they don't have to
[491.79] Frank: update it too much.
[492.69] Frank: So, you know, if, so, you know, they want to say, if you're
[497.99] Frank: flying dangerously, that's illegal and then they say, okay,
[503.19] Frank: who decides what's flying dangerously and whatnot and how
[506.99] Frank: high should you be and how far do you go away?
[509.49] Frank: And then up till now, they've just given that to basically the
[512.59] Frank: BMFA who've then had their guidelines of you shouldn't
[515.79] Frank: really be flying, you know, out of this sort of distance and
[519.69] Frank: this is kind of how it should work.
[521.39] Frank: And so it's just done by guidelines, which can be updated
[524.09] Frank: as technology changes and everything like that.
[527.39] Frank: What they've, so that's why there was the drone code says
[532.39] Frank: kind of, this is, these are the guidelines that you've got.
[536.09] Frank: So if you're flying within those, you've got a pretty good
[538.59] Frank: idea that you're flying legally and if you're outside of that,
[541.69] Frank: you probably not flying safely and therefore not legally.
[546.29] Frank: But what this has done is said, okay, we can't, I mean, it
[552.79] Frank: depends how cynical you're being either they're being helpful
[557.29] Frank: by clarifying exactly what they need and it means that they
[560.59] Frank: can prosecute people without having to spend too much time
[564.59] Frank: in court arguing whether or not it was safe or not.
[566.99] Frank: It's just, was it, you know, this tie up or not?
[571.99] Frank: On the other hand, it's just could be that it's not going
[576.39] Frank: to actually change any prosecutions.
[578.39] Frank: It's not going to change what anyone does and it's just a way
[582.99] Frank: of making it look like they've done something about a problem
[585.09] Frank: that doesn't really exist but is blown up in the media a lot.
[587.79] Frank: Depending on which way you look at it.
[589.19] Tony: Can you fly FBV with a spot then and go 1000 foot if you're
[593.59] Tony: spotting?
[594.19] Frank: This is a very interesting point.
[596.39] Frank: So there's E4049, I think.
[599.09] Frank: I haven't looked at that recently.
[600.09] Frank: Isn't that a cream?
[601.49] Frank: Which is the exemption that started a few years ago saying
[612.29] Frank: that basically we're legally allowed to fly FPV and that's
[617.19] Frank: what we've been, that's the exemption we've been flying
[619.29] Frank: under because otherwise you wouldn't be flying with your
[622.09] Frank: goggles off and flying unaided line of sight.
[624.59] Frank: But this exemption said actually FPV is a perfectly reasonable
[628.29] Frank: way of doing things as long as you have a spotter who is
[632.29] Frank: a competent observer in the jargon, who is stood next to
[637.09] Frank: you and can communicate with you directly and can see your
[643.89] Frank: aircraft directly.
[646.09] Frank: And so this was actually limiting us to 1000 feet where
[651.29] Frank: if you were flying line of sight, there would be no limit.
[653.39] Frank: Whereas now, there's the interesting question of now we
[657.09] Frank: can fly to 1000 feet and everyone else can't.
[660.99] Frank: So is that going to stay in place?
[663.19] Frank: Are they going to change that?
[664.39] Frank: Because at the moment it is going from off the top of my
[668.19] Frank: head, I think 30th of April to 30th of April or it might be
[674.39] Frank: March either way.
[675.39] Frank: It's an annual thing and so there's quite a lot of time
[680.79] Frank: where there will be a crossover where we have an exemption
[684.59] Frank: that exempts us from this ceiling.
[687.09] Tony: Who's going to police this?
[688.59] Tony: Well, the police can't even police anything.
[691.89] Jack: Yes.
[694.59] Curry: Policing me, Kony.
[696.29] Tony: Yeah, I got my loud two.
[698.99] Curry: Here's one of my worries about the whole policing thing.
[701.69] Curry: Yeah.
[701.89] Curry: So one of my friends got burgled a couple of weeks ago.
[706.59] Curry: They took one of his phones and he managed to track the house
[709.79] Curry: where the phone was within three houses.
[711.49] Curry: He told all the police and just like, well, we can't really
[713.79] Curry: investigate burglaries because well, we don't have the
[716.89] Curry: resources to do so, but I get the feeling that a bunch of
[720.89] Curry: us sat in the field.
[722.59] Curry: If someone says, oh, there's a drone fly there, they'll be
[724.69] Curry: straight out because they're like, we've solved the crime.
[727.89] Curry: We've arrested the person.
[729.39] Curry: They didn't put up much of a fight.
[731.09] Curry: We were able to hit him easily.
[732.29] Curry: It's like he was wearing something over his face.
[734.29] Curry: So I do worry that soft targets like ourselves could be
[738.99] Curry: liable to be more of the cops than others.
[742.69] AndyRC: We're such like a rare thing as well.
[745.39] AndyRC: Like, you know, it's going to be so easy for say a police just
[750.59] AndyRC: driving by and they can just stop every single person flying
[755.09] AndyRC: because they don't have to, you know, the media have done all
[760.79] AndyRC: the scam on green drones are bad, you know, they need to be
[763.99] AndyRC: police and I think that's really going to be what's going
[769.09] AndyRC: to happen from this is you'll be standing in a field and
[772.59] AndyRC: if the police drove past before they'd leave you alone and
[775.39] AndyRC: now I think they would maybe just say what you're doing
[778.09] AndyRC: job permission and I don't I don't think you're actually
[780.79] AndyRC: getting any trouble.
[782.09] AndyRC: I just think it'd be more of a thing to look at.
[786.59] AndyRC: Yeah, and I think the thing that happens to us and it might
[789.79] AndyRC: get annoying but I don't think anyone will be going to jail.
[794.59] Tony: It just might be more annoying for that when I used to drive
[798.29] Tony: around on my quad bike without a crash helmet.
[800.49] Tony: I got pulled over so many times because none of the policemen
[803.39] Tony: do that you could you could ride a quad bike without a crash
[806.39] Tony: helmet.
[807.39] Tony: They just pulled me over and what you're doing.
[809.99] Tony: Where's your helmet and I say well, I don't really need one
[812.09] Tony: and they go hold on a minute and then phone back to the office
[814.69] Tony: and go.
[815.09] Tony: Oh, yeah, you're right.
[816.19] Tony: You can carry on what's going to happen.
[818.89] AndyRC: Is it when we're in a field way made me laugh on Jack stream
[822.79] AndyRC: the other night because he said it, you know, what if you
[824.89] Jack: sort of all sat in a chair to talk about my streams?
[827.89] Jack: I'm not I'm not a tiny on there.
[830.19] AndyRC: It's about it's about drones and I think when we're saying
[833.49] AndyRC: can you imagine sat in like a jail cell and everyone discussing
[836.49] AndyRC: what they're in for and you're like, wow, I was running on
[839.49] AndyRC: 600 milliwatt.
[842.99] AndyRC: What did you do?
[843.69] AndyRC: I murdered someone, you know, it's quite a funny scenario.
[848.69] AndyRC: Yeah, what an interesting thing that I have found though,
[851.19] AndyRC: like this has got to be like the fourth case now where it's
[855.19] AndyRC: been in the news.
[856.49] AndyRC: And if I was a member of the public not knowing anything
[859.49] AndyRC: about drones, I would keep wondering why why is this in the
[862.99] AndyRC: news again when that we've been told this four times already
[866.59] AndyRC: and actually nothing has happened and from from like my
[870.49] AndyRC: channel, I've had sort of less people concerned because I
[873.79] AndyRC: think you know, they I think they understand that I think
[877.19] AndyRC: the media it's all about clickbait and these crazy titles
[881.39] AndyRC: and I think people are realizing that and paying less attention
[885.49] AndyRC: to it. I hope they are because it's like it's like Andrew
[888.79] AndyRC: says like oh the headline is, you know, you can't fly drones
[892.69] AndyRC: anymore, but actually the truth is always in a couple of months
[895.89] AndyRC: time. It's becoming law what we've already been doing anyways
[899.89] AndyRC: and actually nothing may just changing till the end of 2019
[903.39] AndyRC: and we don't even know if that's going to happen.
[905.99] Jack: So again, it's just the stupid on the 20 the 2019 that's
[911.19] Jack: right.
[912.39] Jack: Tony, am I allowed to ask that question?
[914.29] Tony: Hold on.
[914.79] Tony: We have to text it to me first and then I'll let you know
[918.09] Tony: if I give you permission to do that.
[920.29] AndyRC: That is the date that they are saying that the registration
[923.89] AndyRC: is going to be mandatory.
[925.29] AndyRC: The thing is what it doesn't say is what is a drone any of
[928.89] AndyRC: these media anything will flies.
[931.59] AndyRC: No, but that's the thing all these are terrifying.
[934.79] AndyRC: They're just showing pictures of DJI models.
[937.09] AndyRC: They're not even that you won't you won't even hear the
[940.49] AndyRC: word FPV or race drone mention and I think that is who
[944.79] AndyRC: they're going for and I still don't think it's going to
[947.59] AndyRC: affect us whatsoever.
[949.89] Frank: It's who the media are talking about and it's who the
[952.59] Frank: politicians are out to get but the law as it stands and
[959.39] Frank: as they've been talking about it doesn't differentiate
[962.69] Frank: between a free flight model or a Phantom or a race quad
[969.89] Frank: or you know, I go airplane but you just know what the
[975.19] Curry: registration process is going to be and I pray if I was
[978.69] Curry: religious that they'd be okay.
[980.79] Curry: I don't mind.
[981.39] Curry: I don't mind put myself forward saying yes, I registered
[984.59] Curry: I've got drones as a pilot if it was a drone.
[987.99] Curry: Could you imagine this because it's going to be like oh
[991.19] Curry: what make is it?
[991.89] Curry: What is the serial number?
[993.79] Curry: What is the GPS on it?
[994.89] Curry: It's going to be all these questions that don't relate to
[996.69] Curry: anything other than the fact that these guys once or a
[999.49] Curry: Phantom and they've written down features of it and then
[1002.09] Curry: they want everybody to fill that sort of stuff in.
[1004.99] Jack: I would make my own really offensive serial numbers.
[1009.29] Jack: So I would do.
[1011.29] Jack: It's true.
[1011.69] Frank: You step on the flight.
[1014.09] Frank: But so the important thing to separate out here is the
[1018.89] Frank: there's the altitude and distance from airfields that's
[1022.79] Frank: definitely coming in in the A&O.
[1024.59] Frank: Well, it's in the A&O now to be start being enforced from
[1028.09] Frank: July.
[1030.19] Frank: But the and that's that's all detailed and written up and
[1033.79] Frank: that's that's happening.
[1035.09] Tony: How long's that help?
[1035.89] Tony: Sorry, how big is the ring around the airport?
[1038.49] Frank: One kilometer from the boundary of the airport.
[1041.19] AndyRC: That doesn't sound enough to me.
[1042.99] AndyRC: No.
[1044.49] AndyRC: But if you were one kilometer on final, you would definitely
[1049.99] AndyRC: put up you would definitely yeah, you would you would
[1053.99] AndyRC: definitely have some close call.
[1055.49] Frank: So that's that's that's another but England if you make
[1058.79] Jack: it really big England's a really small place and then
[1062.29] Jack: you'll be able to fly at the end of Brighton Pier and
[1066.19] Jack: South End Pier.
[1067.69] Frank: Anyway, so that's that's definitely happening and that's
[1070.39] Frank: all that's all settled and written in.
[1073.59] Frank: But the everything else so the 250 gram separation the stuff
[1079.29] Frank: about autonomous things and
[1083.99] Frank: what the other ones so the
[1087.69] Frank: seven kilo separation out as well.
[1092.29] Frank: Registration is the big one.
[1093.89] Frank: Obviously all of that is all being kind of fluffed about
[1098.49] Frank: and it will be thought about early next year and it nothing
[1102.69] Frank: is going to happen for a long time.
[1104.89] Frank: It's not worth worrying about at the moment and do it do
[1107.49] AndyRC: now as well.
[1108.29] AndyRC: How could I know you made a post about it Andy?
[1111.79] AndyRC: How is it going to tie in with BMFA members and FPV UK
[1116.19] AndyRC: members when it comes to registration or as that even being
[1119.29] Frank: talked about so there are secret talks going on and it's
[1123.39] Frank: all very underhanded and absolutely completely normal
[1125.89] Frank: and it's what happens.
[1127.79] Frank: It's the
[1130.09] Frank: so there's the FPV UK and BMFA and I think a couple of other
[1135.49] Frank: UK model flying associations
[1138.89] Frank: a meeting up with the CAA and Department of Transport and
[1142.89] Frank: probably a few politicians and working out how is this actually
[1146.19] Frank: going to work and you know, they want it to basically not
[1152.29] Frank: make a mess of
[1154.69] Frank: all the perfectly safe flying that model flies have been
[1157.19] Frank: doing for years.
[1159.59] Frank: And so the best way and it also the CAA don't want to be
[1163.49] Frank: inundated with a million and one application forms that
[1167.39] Frank: they have to deal with in a new database and everything
[1169.29] Frank: like that.
[1169.49] Frank: It's not what they're there for.
[1170.79] Frank: They don't care.
[1172.39] Frank: So at the moment what it sounds like it's going to happen
[1176.09] Frank: is it will be passed on to BMFA and FPV UK and all those
[1180.79] Frank: sorts of buddies to have
[1184.39] Frank: so kind of membership with them will be registration and
[1188.49] Frank: they'll probably also by the sounds of it be some kind of
[1191.69] Frank: online test that will be multiple choice.
[1194.39] Andy: Oh God.
[1195.99] Andy: Like the DJI one basically that's already exist.
[1199.29] Andy: Will you help me Andy?
[1201.09] Andy: Well, I failed the DJI one Tony.
[1206.09] Curry: You didn't it was only nine questions of multiple choice.
[1209.19] Frank: Yeah, I got to fail it again.
[1214.69] AndyRC: It is I think you have to get seven so you can get the
[1218.49] AndyRC: question wrong.
[1219.19] Frank: I think I think none of that is anywhere near happening.
[1223.89] Frank: We don't have to worry about it.
[1226.39] Frank: If you are particularly worried about it.
[1230.39] Frank: My best suggestion is to email your local MP.
[1234.79] Frank: So go to write to them.com.
[1237.39] Frank: So W R I T E T O T H E M.com
[1242.89] Frank: and that if you put in your details there that will find
[1245.29] Frank: you all your contact details with local MP.
[1247.79] Frank: Let them know that you really love drone flying model flying
[1251.39] Frank: whatever it is that it's all safe and lovely and that you
[1255.19] Frank: know all this legislation
[1258.49] Frank: needs to make sure that we can still do what we do without
[1261.79] Frank: impinging on us and if if they do have to do something then
[1264.99] Frank: make sure it just controls the people who you know, aren't
[1270.19] Frank: doing it never does though.
[1271.49] Tony: Does it they're just going to do it.
[1272.79] Frank: They're just going to do it anyway, but if enough people
[1275.79] Frank: contact their MPs so the MPs know what's actually happening
[1279.89] Frank: and how important it is when it comes to the second reading
[1282.29] Frank: next February, then we've got a better chance that the voices
[1285.69] Frank: of the BMFA and a PB UK will be listened to.
[1289.49] Curry: So it was a private members bill.
[1293.69] Curry: I don't know if this is actually part of what's happening in next
[1297.69] Curry: November.
[1298.29] Curry: Is it that's like a separate bill which isn't to do with the
[1301.99] Curry: ANO?
[1303.29] Frank: Oh, yes.
[1303.69] Frank: So the the drone regulation bill is completely separate from
[1307.99] Frank: the ANO.
[1308.69] Frank: So and that but that's all the 250 grams registration separating
[1313.39] Frank: them out into very small kind of small autonomous all the different
[1317.69] Frank: sorts of flights all the stuff that we've had from the ER
[1321.39] Frank: rate recommendations.
[1324.19] Frank: That's all the drone regulations bill which is going to have
[1326.99] Frank: its second reading next February and that's what you need to
[1329.79] Frank: write to your MPs about the 400 foot ceiling and one kilometre
[1335.69] Frank: distance from the airport.
[1336.69] Frank: That's in the amendment to the ANO that's completely separate
[1339.89] Frank: that's happening that settled that's done.
[1343.29] Jack: Nice pointless making that joke.
[1344.79] Jack: Now anyway, by the time I type the joke out to Tony and said he
[1347.89] Jack: used the permission for me to read it out.
[1350.59] Jack: I knew it would be a different subject.
[1354.59] Curry: So so who believes because I know Tony will because he's a conspiracy
[1358.29] Curry: nut that it's all it's all about Google and Amazon.
[1362.29] Curry: I do taking over the air space.
[1364.39] Curry: They want the the 400 foot and below air space to themselves.
[1368.99] AndyRC: They're fitting microphones to them and then they can hear they
[1373.09] AndyRC: take that data along with what our phones are recording and
[1375.89] AndyRC: they can sell us stuff and Alexa.
[1380.29] Curry: Yeah, Tony you can get in your garden and start showing bombs
[1383.39] Curry: into the sky now.
[1385.69] AndyRC: You know what?
[1386.19] AndyRC: I think the saddest thing about it is is that this this hobby
[1391.49] AndyRC: part of it isn't isn't popular in the first place.
[1396.09] AndyRC: It's really difficult to get people on board with the expense
[1399.49] AndyRC: and and how complicated it is.
[1401.99] AndyRC: And this is just another instance of you know, putting people off
[1407.79] AndyRC: getting into it, which I think that's a shame because you know,
[1411.49] AndyRC: if we if we need, you know, when we talk about trying to further
[1416.99] AndyRC: the hobby and get like, you know, new new technology into it
[1420.99] AndyRC: and you know updates and stuff if people are going to be put off
[1424.69] AndyRC: and start buying the stuff, it's going to become more of a niche
[1428.49] AndyRC: thing and I think that's that's the upsetting side of the media's
[1432.59] AndyRC: impact to all of this for me.
[1436.29] Frank: I think that's an important reason why we need to support the BMFA
[1443.09] Frank: because they actually have a much larger voice than you might
[1447.09] Frank: expect particularly when it comes to CA and the FAI and those
[1454.49] Frank: sorts of bodies BMFA because it has members that pay them money.
[1460.49] Frank: They actually have quite a lot of money behind them compared to
[1463.29] Frank: a lot of other aviation bodies.
[1466.19] Frank: So they actually have quite a bit of weight behind them.
[1469.89] Frank: So if we can get them fighting for our rights to party, then we'll be right.
[1478.49] Frank: So yeah, as long as we make sure that what we do comes under
[1484.69] Frank: model flying, which at the moment, it seems like it would then we'll be
[1490.39] Frank: all right.
[1491.79] Curry: My only worry there with the BFMA is they're very keen to protect
[1497.49] Curry: their members, but I get the feeling it's going to be sort of come
[1501.49] Curry: to our flying fields and you're exempt but anywhere else is like
[1504.89] Curry: your outlaws.
[1505.89] Frank: There is the question of whether it will be clubs or whether it
[1509.79] Frank: will be the BMFA itself and therefore our country members.
[1514.39] Frank: So members who are of the BMFA who aren't a member of a club as
[1518.49] Frank: well, are they going to be covered and that's all stuff that's
[1523.69] Frank: happening behind closed doors and we won't know until February.
[1526.79] AndyRC: I think it will be in the BMFA's interest to support everyone, especially
[1532.59] AndyRC: as since since part flying became more accessible with, you know,
[1538.49] AndyRC: brushless motors and stuff than a lot like my club that I was in
[1543.19] AndyRC: closed because of that very thing people that there are less clubs
[1548.99] AndyRC: and more people doing it individually.
[1551.09] AndyRC: So I think if the BMFA are listening to this, then it would be in
[1555.49] AndyRC: their interest.
[1556.29] AndyRC: I think, you know, there's going to be so many people that sign
[1560.29] AndyRC: up for that.
[1561.39] AndyRC: I see.
[1565.29] Frank: Yeah, we will we will see but yeah, contact your MP, contact your
[1570.09] Frank: BMFA, let them know what you think.
[1572.99] AndyRC: Plus, you know, the BMFA insurance you as well as it being like,
[1576.59] AndyRC: you know, a body and it's been around for years and years.
[1580.19] AndyRC: I'm a member.
[1580.79] AndyRC: I think it's like 32 pound a year, something like that.
[1584.59] AndyRC: So it's not like overly expensive.
[1587.19] Tony: Five million, five million pound insurance.
[1589.19] Tony: I think is it something like that.
[1591.69] Tony: Yeah, something like that.
[1593.09] Tony: Yeah, it's just worth having for 32 quid, isn't it?
[1595.99] Tony: Yeah, for anyone who flies if you crash into someone's car or
[1599.49] Tony: whatever.
[1599.99] AndyRC: Well, that's the thing.
[1600.69] AndyRC: Even if you follow all the rules, there's still a risk.
[1604.29] AndyRC: There's accidents.
[1605.29] AndyRC: Anytime you step out of the door, you're risking your life,
[1609.79] AndyRC: you know, so it's either that or stay indoors.
[1613.69] AndyRC: So, you know, accidents happen and so, you know, even if you
[1619.49] AndyRC: follow all the rules, so that's why it's good to have the
[1621.59] AndyRC: insurance as well.
[1623.49] Frank: Yeah, because the other thing is, you know, if you have a
[1626.49] Frank: failsafe and something falls out of the sky and twats a car,
[1631.49] Frank: then if you don't have insurance, then you've got to pay
[1635.89] Frank: for that body panel.
[1637.49] Frank: If you have FPV UK insurance, then you go and get them to
[1645.79] Frank: pay you back.
[1646.59] Frank: If you've got BMFA insurance, they will pretty much sort it
[1651.49] Frank: out for you.
[1652.19] Frank: They have, you know, if it gets really messy, they have
[1656.09] Frank: the lawyers and things like that at their disposal.
[1660.39] Frank: They have the contacts like that and they'll, you know, do
[1664.49] Frank: their best to make it work out for you because you're
[1667.89] Frank: representing them and the hobby.
[1671.69] Frank: So, you know, I think it is worth having.
[1676.19] Frank: If you can't afford the membership, then you probably
[1680.69] Frank: can't afford to not have it, I think.
[1682.99] Tony: Yeah, Mikey Dred says he wants insurance for his broken
[1687.29] Tony: props.
[1690.29] Tony: I'm sure you don't break any Mikey Dred.
[1692.49] Tony: Your latest video is like butter.
[1695.79] Tony: Smooth, smooth, Mikey Dred.
[1698.89] Frank: Flying Monkey in the chat says, has anyone seen the proposals
[1702.29] Frank: that all drone flights should be within 300 meters of a
[1705.19] Frank: red dogshit bin?
[1708.49] AndyRC: I'll be flying any sticker on it.
[1711.19] Curry: Do you mean the electric generator?
[1713.19] AndyRC: Yeah, that's what it was, wasn't it?
[1715.29] AndyRC: Did I read something about as well, like flights are going
[1718.89] AndyRC: to have to be logged, like actual flights or is that the
[1722.29] AndyRC: media making stuff up?
[1723.79] Frank: I think that's them making stuff up at the moment.
[1726.89] Frank: I mean, we'll see what happens in February, but that doesn't
[1732.59] Frank: seem to come under any of the ER's recommendations, which
[1736.29] Frank: were pretty much written by.
[1737.49] Curry: They have to make a flight log every time.
[1739.99] Curry: Yeah.
[1740.29] AndyRC: Can you imagine like having to ride down how many props
[1743.19] AndyRC: you broke or something like that, you know, left motor
[1746.79] AndyRC: damage needs, has a hundred hours on it, need servicing
[1750.39] AndyRC: kind of thing, you know what I mean?
[1751.69] Curry: Yeah, on the other hand, you have to like have an accident
[1753.79] Curry: book every time you crash, you'd have to explain what
[1755.89] Curry: happened.
[1756.39] Curry: Man, that would be a long, waiting, waving fly away.
[1759.49] Curry: It grass.
[1762.79] Frank: Unintentional landing in long grass.
[1765.19] AndyRC: Chased by a dog, that would be my one.
[1768.39] Frank: Weed on, bye dog.
[1770.09] AndyRC: Yeah, exactly.
[1772.79] AndyRC: Yeah.
[1774.29] AndyRC: So I guess in short, like I think that yeah, I think I
[1777.79] AndyRC: just it's funny.
[1778.79] AndyRC: I think I had just one comment on a video and the title
[1783.39] AndyRC: of the video was like under 250 grams and like one person
[1787.59] AndyRC: jumped on that because they they were sort of worried
[1789.69] AndyRC: about it.
[1790.39] AndyRC: I think what's kind of interesting about our hobby
[1794.29] AndyRC: and especially for me is like the majority of the stuff
[1797.29] AndyRC: I'm flying is under 250 grams and it's some of the best
[1802.19] AndyRC: that you know, the three-inch class is like the most agile
[1806.39] AndyRC: the most speed and you know, so I've been enjoying that
[1811.09] AndyRC: aspect of it anyways and sometimes I fly a five-inch
[1814.39] AndyRC: now and it feels a little bit sluggish compared to the
[1817.59] AndyRC: smaller lighter model.
[1818.69] AndyRC: So I think that's the way our hobbies going at anyways.
[1822.39] Tony: Can you send me that fast three-inch place?
[1824.69] Tony: I've got a rice next weekend.
[1826.49] AndyRC: You think it would win Tony against five-inch?
[1829.79] Frank: I'm waiting for Jack to jump in here.
[1831.89] Curry: Use the X-Class and just destroy all the gates.
[1836.99] Tony: Power my way through the X-Class.
[1839.29] AndyRC: That is true.
[1840.09] AndyRC: Isn't it stuff like X-Class which is trying to sort of break
[1843.39] AndyRC: the boundaries, you know for spectator sort of from a
[1849.09] AndyRC: spectator's perspective.
[1850.49] AndyRC: It's going to sort of damage that really which is a shame
[1854.39] AndyRC: isn't it because that's what we want back to be promoted
[1856.69] AndyRC: as well.
[1857.59] Frank: If I'm right the latest X-Class in like races in the
[1863.09] Frank: US require everyone to be what is it?
[1868.39] Frank: They're equivalent of commercial flying anyway for this
[1873.29] Frank: season.
[1873.99] Frank: I believe don't quote me on that.
[1876.69] Curry: The part 107 or whatever it is.
[1879.29] Curry: Yeah, I think you're right.
[1880.19] Curry: I was looking at that when I was I was trying to get the
[1882.29] Curry: figures about what the what the X-Class size was for
[1884.99] Curry: something.
[1885.29] Curry: I was writing and I noticed it said it was the 107 or that
[1889.29] Curry: the other thing they have in the US which I can't remember
[1891.19] Curry: what it is, but I didn't know if that was just a requirement
[1895.19] Curry: of racing as like a professional for example, as opposed
[1899.79] Curry: to like really big quads.
[1903.19] Frank: It's not required of other races as far as I can tell but
[1906.49] Frank: and it's I don't think it would necessarily be required by
[1911.09] Frank: anyone racing X-Class in a general field, but we know that
[1916.39] Frank: size quad in a in a general event but X-Class themselves
[1920.99] Frank: as a body have decided that that's what they want to do to
[1925.69] AndyRC: to make themselves kind of make it more tricky for international
[1932.29] AndyRC: like people's like flying like I know I know like Thomas
[1936.09] AndyRC: in Australia.
[1936.99] AndyRC: He goes to the US a lot and stuff and you imagine getting
[1939.99] AndyRC: there and having to take a test before before the World
[1943.09] Tony: Champion like I want to go over with Martin from fossil stuff
[1947.49] Tony: and go and race our X-Class.
[1949.39] Tony: I think we should see in America.
[1951.79] Frank: I think we should when when Zoe's back on her feet again,
[1955.29] Frank: we should maybe see if we can get her on and talk a bit more
[1958.39] Frank: about his class.
[1959.39] Tony: Yeah, shout out to Zoe FPV.
[1961.29] Tony: Hope you feel better.
[1962.79] Frank: Yeah.
[1965.09] Tony: And Jack, he's not well.
[1967.99] Tony: That's either that or I've really peed him off.
[1971.39] AndyRC: Where's he gone?
[1972.09] AndyRC: Jack?
[1972.39] AndyRC: He's still there.
[1973.89] AndyRC: He's he's about.
[1977.79] AndyRC: Have you two been having a text argument in the background?
[1982.59] Frank: About six meters away from his computer and won't be getting
[1986.99] Frank: any closer for a while.
[1989.89] Frank: But other drone news, we had a comment on last week's video
[1996.49] Frank: asking or demanding information about the FrSky X-Lite.
[2004.19] Frank: I don't know if any of us actually know any information about
[2008.29] Curry: I can pretend to have one by looking at this, but that's just
[2011.79] Curry: an Xbox controller.
[2013.19] AndyRC: I know that drone racer 101, he sometimes actually watches
[2017.89] AndyRC: the podcast.
[2019.99] AndyRC: He's done a few videos on it.
[2022.39] AndyRC: So I got asked whether I was going to check one out and I
[2028.69] AndyRC: haven't got one on the way.
[2031.09] AndyRC: My issue is that in the past the smaller transmitter size has
[2036.49] AndyRC: been a problem for me because I found it really difficult
[2040.19] AndyRC: to adjust to just how different it is in the hands, but
[2045.49] AndyRC: also the throw difference as well.
[2047.69] AndyRC: It's a much shorter throw and I think a lot of
[2052.19] AndyRC: what we do like when it comes to the maneuvers and the flying
[2056.09] AndyRC: a lot of it is muscle memory, isn't it?
[2059.09] AndyRC: You know how long it just becomes second nature and how
[2065.29] AndyRC: far you throw the stick and how long do you hold it for?
[2069.59] AndyRC: And I reviewed that transmitter, the Jumper T8 SG Plus
[2075.39] AndyRC: and I didn't realize that you hold it and the back of my
[2079.99] AndyRC: fingers are almost touching when I'm holding it.
[2082.19] AndyRC: It's that small and yeah, I also quite like a ratchet on my
[2088.89] AndyRC: throttle as well.
[2089.89] AndyRC: I think that's a mode one thing though, so that I don't slip
[2094.29] AndyRC: on the throttle or the aileron whilst I'm flying and there
[2099.19] AndyRC: is little tiny controllers.
[2100.99] AndyRC: They don't have enough room to have the ratchet system.
[2103.89] AndyRC: Yeah.
[2104.09] Tony: And what about if you're a pincher or a hybrid?
[2106.69] AndyRC: Yes, that's the other thing.
[2108.99] AndyRC: I believe that it's going to be really hard for pinchers on
[2112.99] AndyRC: that and and this is the thing that so many negatives they've
[2117.79] AndyRC: blocked or not so much blocked.
[2120.69] AndyRC: Does it even have a module bay in the back for?
[2122.69] Curry: It has a completely different type of module bay.
[2124.89] Curry: I saw the first one of Drone Racer 101's video and I noticed
[2127.89] Curry: it had this really sort of flat back.
[2130.49] Curry: It's not a JR module.
[2131.69] Curry: It's something you'd have to sort of slide in somehow.
[2134.09] Frank: I think they're calling it a mini module or micro module or
[2136.89] Frank: something like that.
[2137.69] Frank: And it's it's got the same pins as a JR module, but there's
[2142.79] Frank: just a smaller space there and I believe they're also selling
[2147.39] Frank: or I have seen somewhere someone having a an adapter where
[2152.69] Frank: you could plug a thing in and then you've got the space for
[2155.19] Frank: the full JR module.
[2157.29] Frank: There are I think what they're aiming for here is they're
[2161.79] Frank: trying to push people towards their R9 system.
[2167.39] AndyRC: Long-range.
[2168.19] AndyRC: Yeah, they're trying to stop crossfire and go with their
[2172.89] AndyRC: one and and I think that I think they're going to struggle
[2176.19] AndyRC: with that because you know, especially many air show everyone
[2181.09] AndyRC: was using crossfire and they the way that the receivers are
[2185.89] AndyRC: flashed is easier with crossfire and stuff like that.
[2189.39] AndyRC: And I think the fact that Free Sky are intentionally it seems
[2194.79] AndyRC: that they're intentionally blocking crossfire doesn't it
[2198.89] AndyRC: for them?
[2199.69] Frank: They're using multiple different ways to try and convince
[2202.79] Frank: people not to buy crossfires and to go for their system.
[2205.79] Frank: So the one is they're making the small module bay so that
[2210.89] Frank: you know, you can just buy an R9 mini module instead of having
[2215.69] Frank: to buy this big clunky adapter for a crossfire.
[2218.09] Frank: Yeah, you've got they've been pushing the F port system,
[2223.69] Frank: F port protocol so because obviously a big feature of the
[2228.39] Frank: crossfire is the crossfire protocol and the lower latency
[2233.09] Frank: and everything than SBAS.
[2234.99] Frank: So they've been pushing the F port although the third big
[2240.19] Frank: thing they've been pushing is the tiny tiny little R9 mini
[2246.09] Frank: receivers.
[2247.19] Frank: So they're selling them pretty much everywhere now for about
[2250.99] Frank: $10 which is pretty cheap.
[2253.59] Curry: That's crazy cheap aside from when the first R9 system came
[2259.69] Curry: out, the only review I saw was Bruce's and he found the antenna
[2264.19] Curry: system wasn't a scratch and it just didn't go as far as a
[2267.69] Curry: normal Free Sky.
[2268.59] Curry: So it seems really untested to me.
[2270.09] Curry: I see why they're jumping onto it because everybody's sort of
[2272.59] Curry: moving from Free Sky to crossfire.
[2275.09] Curry: But it seems like there's a big leap of faith to take there
[2278.79] Curry: for people to go with it.
[2279.89] Frank: So that's I think the biggest problem is that with the first
[2283.49] Frank: batch of the R9s, they messed up on the antennas and so it
[2289.59] Frank: didn't work very well and since then they've rectified that
[2296.59] Frank: mistake.
[2297.29] Frank: But of course once they've got that name, then no one's going
[2300.89] Frank: to trust them.
[2301.39] Frank: No one's going to buy it.
[2302.29] Frank: No one's going to test it.
[2303.19] Frank: No one's going to find out whether it's any good.
[2304.89] Tony: They should have pushed that controller towards racers
[2308.09] Tony: because racers might like it because of the shorter froze.
[2311.59] AndyRC: I think they are doing that Tony.
[2313.99] AndyRC: I think it's aimed at the computer generation, to be honest,
[2318.59] AndyRC: the Xbox generation that have tried the game.
[2322.99] AndyRC: They've maybe tried it in GTA and they're like, oh, this is
[2326.09] AndyRC: comfortable for me.
[2327.49] AndyRC: Whereas someone like myself who's come from light fixed
[2331.59] AndyRC: wing and stuff, I find it more difficult.
[2334.49] AndyRC: So but the one thing that is good about it though is the
[2338.19] AndyRC: price isn't too bad.
[2339.29] AndyRC: I think is it about $119?
[2342.09] AndyRC: So it's cheaper.
[2343.69] AndyRC: I think I think like it's in the territory of the QX7, but
[2348.39] AndyRC: it's cheaper than the X9D and it's smaller.
[2352.19] AndyRC: And so I think it will find that it's audience but whether
[2355.69] AndyRC: I'll be reviewing it or not, if one comes my way, of course,
[2358.19] AndyRC: I will, but I don't think I'm going to like it.
[2360.49] Tony: Green patch is in the chat says I don't fly further than
[2363.89] Tony: I'm willing to walk.
[2365.59] AndyRC: Yeah, I'm the same.
[2367.09] AndyRC: I agree.
[2367.99] AndyRC: Like when someone says, have you tried long range?
[2370.19] AndyRC: I'm like, I've tried walking and I don't like that that
[2374.59] AndyRC: much.
[2378.19] Frank: Yeah, the big pluses of it are that it's got an internal
[2384.39] Frank: antenna rather than the big long thing sticking out.
[2387.59] Tony: Stappy thing that you can break.
[2389.29] Curry: Yeah, I did notice it did have an antenna port on it.
[2391.59] Curry: I don't know if that's where you can put a higher gain
[2393.69] Curry: antenna on.
[2394.39] AndyRC: It's like a slanking plate or something, isn't it?
[2398.39] Frank: And of course, it is tiny.
[2399.99] Frank: It's like half the size of a Taranis almost.
[2403.39] Frank: So between those two, if you have that and a three inch
[2408.69] Frank: quads, you've got a couple of packs and a field pack and
[2413.99] Frank: one of the little field chargers.
[2416.19] Frank: You've got, you probably take up, you probably fit that
[2419.39] Frank: into a Taranis case.
[2421.09] AndyRC: Yeah, you could.
[2423.29] Tony: I know backpacks are getting bigger and bigger.
[2425.89] Tony: I need a new one because like I keep taking stuff out and
[2428.89] Tony: I'm like, I've got two bags now.
[2431.79] Tony: One for my Taranis, one for the drones on the outside, my
[2435.79] Tony: fat sharks, and then I need one for all my batteries.
[2438.09] Tony: So I'm looking to buy a new.
[2441.89] Tony: Yeah, so they might be good to buy something like that just
[2445.29] Tony: to take out.
[2447.59] AndyRC: Yeah, but if you go and check DroneRacer101's channel, he's
[2450.39] AndyRC: got, he's doing, I think he's bought it himself from like
[2453.79] AndyRC: get FPV and sort of going through all of the setup process
[2458.09] AndyRC: and all of that.
[2459.99] AndyRC: So yeah, I would check out his channel.
[2463.19] Curry: When I watched it, the first thing I thought, oh, that's
[2465.49] Curry: a shame is they took out that really nice wheel from the
[2468.49] Curry: Q7.
[2469.09] Curry: I guess there's not enough room, but that was one of the
[2471.79] Curry: things I really liked over the X9 was having that little
[2476.19] Curry: scroll where it made things so much faster.
[2478.49] Tony: Yeah, yeah, I agree, but I didn't like it because it was
[2483.29] Tony: quite, it was a little bit bigger than the.
[2485.29] AndyRC: Yeah, it's quite chunky that one.
[2487.09] AndyRC: Yeah, so they're just trying to cover the entire market, I
[2491.69] AndyRC: think, with different options.
[2495.94] Jack: Agree.
[2496.34] Jack: What are you posting, Jack?
[2498.64] Jack: So, if you go to Call Toys and you look at image number
[2504.04] Jack: three, you've got the old and new crossfire micro antennas
[2510.74] Jack: and that's why you've got the V1 and V2.
[2513.44] Jack: They just released it as V2 and never said why they released
[2516.64] Jack: it or something.
[2517.74] Jack: No, and it was because the antenna lengths were wrong.
[2521.24] Jack: So, both TBS and FreeSky both had antenna problems.
[2528.34] Jack: Also, TBS have the antenna problems regards the T-shaped
[2537.84] Jack: antenna in the actual full size module because it's meant
[2543.74] Jack: to twist and it gets stuck and then you break the coaxial
[2548.24] Jack: and that's the problem that Mr.
[2551.24] Jack: Steele has and the only difference I can find is that they
[2558.84] Jack: didn't send an example still in development to Bruce.
[2564.74] Jack: Whereas, I think Bruce, I'm sorry to say.
[2570.24] Jack: You're not going to cut him, are you?
[2572.44] Jack: A little bit.
[2573.24] Jack: I think he's become like not as lovely as he once was.
[2578.04] Jack: That's what I'm going to say.
[2579.84] AndyRC: I think Bruce built FreeSky up, didn't he?
[2583.14] AndyRC: Yeah, and I think that's what if you look at anyone outside
[2586.64] AndyRC: FPV, they're not using FreeSky.
[2588.64] AndyRC: They're using like T-TARBA, high-tech and I think like the
[2593.04] AndyRC: Tyrannus was an affordable and cheap.
[2595.54] AndyRC: It's a copy actually.
[2597.74] AndyRC: It's a JR radio with OpenTX on there.
[2602.74] AndyRC: There's nothing really original about the Tyrannus and the
[2606.84] AndyRC: protocol is a copy.
[2608.84] AndyRC: I mean, I suppose it's Futaba.
[2610.84] AndyRC: Yeah, so, you know, yeah, so he sort of built it up and it
[2616.14] AndyRC: sort of managed to sustain itself with the, but yeah, and
[2620.84] Jack: then they went to, sorry cut you off.
[2624.24] Jack: They went, they thought he was a safe bet to send this stuff
[2627.44] Jack: to and I think in his old age, he's getting more and more
[2633.04] Jack: sort of like, you know, like the criteria has to be greater
[2636.64] Jack: and greater and he's kind of ragging on a lot of stuff because
[2640.94] Jack: like he, you know, like their face, he like made him, he
[2646.24] Jack: totally broke a Onway, didn't he, with their antennas?
[2650.94] AndyRC: So I hear, but I still use Onway antennas.
[2655.74] AndyRC: I love them.
[2657.14] AndyRC: So, I don't know.
[2658.54] AndyRC: I think, I just think like it is, I believe he believes what
[2664.74] AndyRC: he thinks, you know, I don't think is intentionally trying
[2670.04] AndyRC: to say bad things, but I think I have this problem as well.
[2675.94] AndyRC: I think, and you mentioned it, Jeff, as well, when we were
[2678.24] AndyRC: flying together as a reviewer, you do, you do start to focus
[2682.94] AndyRC: on the negative things.
[2684.44] AndyRC: You try, you try and trick something out rather than go,
[2688.04] AndyRC: oh, this is brilliant because of that.
[2689.64] AndyRC: And I've been trying to sort of reign that in a little bit.
[2692.84] AndyRC: You can't win either way because if you're, if you do mention
[2697.04] AndyRC: the negative things, people will dislike it.
[2699.24] AndyRC: And if you say everything's brilliant, there'll be people
[2703.14] AndyRC: that won't dislike it, will dislike it.
[2706.04] Jack: So, like that guy, it was your fault.
[2708.64] Jack: It was your fault that he bought this model and he got the defective
[2714.04] Jack: one and if he ever finds you, he's going to murder you, take
[2718.84] Jack: a poo in your mouth.
[2720.64] AndyRC: And it happens, and it happens, it's all opinion-based.
[2726.54] AndyRC: And I think, I don't know, I really like Bruce.
[2729.04] AndyRC: I do have a soft spot for him.
[2731.34] AndyRC: I think just his technical knowledge that he has is just, I guess,
[2736.84] AndyRC: reviews aside, the stuff that I've learned from him when it comes
[2740.44] AndyRC: to electronics, I guess, and building, you know, I think that's
[2745.64] AndyRC: what, and also I love his rants on like regulations and stuff.
[2750.44] AndyRC: He talks about every single country, which I like, yeah.
[2756.84] Curry: Yeah, I think Bruce is very watchable.
[2758.94] Curry: If it wasn't for him, I would have never have flown fixed wing
[2761.44] Curry: because I literally bought an AXN based on the fact that he's
[2764.74] Curry: like, here's how you put an AXN together, and then I just threw
[2767.64] Curry: it into the ground 20 times in a row.
[2769.14] Curry: But it was a sort of working model because of him.
[2772.44] AndyRC: I actually started reviews because the very first FPV model
[2777.84] AndyRC: I got was the Hubson Spyhawk, right?
[2780.74] AndyRC: And he gave it a really negative review, and I bought one from
[2784.94] AndyRC: Maclean, and I absolutely loved it.
[2787.94] Tony: That was a plane, a wing, or plane, wasn't it?
[2792.34] AndyRC: It was the very first.
[2793.64] AndyRC: It was like 2012, and it was at a time when FPV was completely
[2798.74] AndyRC: DIY, and the Hubson came out with the Spyhawk, tiny thing,
[2803.34] AndyRC: so it didn't take up much space.
[2805.14] AndyRC: Got FPV in the transmitter, and it upset a load of people
[2809.64] AndyRC: because at the time, you had to put a lot of effort into doing
[2813.34] AndyRC: FPV.
[2813.94] AndyRC: You had to understand electronics completely.
[2817.34] AndyRC: You had to understand RF.
[2819.14] AndyRC: And when the Spyhawk came in, it did away with all of that.
[2821.94] AndyRC: You could go into Maclean, didn't even have to glue the wings.
[2824.84] AndyRC: They stuck together.
[2826.44] AndyRC: And if anyone could fly it, it got stability mode on it.
[2832.24] AndyRC: And so I got it and absolutely loved it.
[2834.64] AndyRC: And even though I disagreed with what Bruce said about it,
[2841.04] AndyRC: it's the reason why I sort of made a review because I wanted to
[2844.64] AndyRC: do a counter review, and that's when I realized that everything
[2848.44] AndyRC: that we do is opinion based.
[2850.44] AndyRC: And if someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that
[2853.04] AndyRC: they're right or wrong.
[2854.14] AndyRC: It's just their opinion on it.
[2855.84] AndyRC: And so that's why I think it's important to have reviews.
[2859.94] Jack: I just think he's like got super critical.
[2863.04] Jack: Do you know what I mean?
[2863.64] Jack: Like I love Bruce and I thought he's like DIY, you know,
[2869.54] Jack: like his first like build, how to build a quad back in the day
[2874.34] Jack: was brilliant.
[2875.54] Jack: And like, you know, he really does like test and sort of,
[2879.74] Jack: you know, doubts things.
[2881.14] Jack: But back in the day, I think the criteria for a good affordable
[2885.44] Jack: radio like the 9x, you know, like, you know, he was like,
[2892.24] Jack: yeah, that's really good.
[2893.04] Jack: Now you look at the 9x and it is an absolute total turd.
[2899.94] Jack: Do you know what I mean?
[2900.54] Jack: Like not wanting to say the gimbals aren't very good on the
[2906.04] Jack: free sky and stuff like that.
[2907.74] Jack: Do you know what I mean?
[2908.34] AndyRC: He was just like, I think it's a bit like, you know, when I
[2913.64] AndyRC: used to watch Top Gear and they review cars, you know, if
[2918.04] AndyRC: you've sat in, you know, 10 supercars and then sitting and
[2922.34] AndyRC: this on my crew, you're not going to have anything to say
[2924.84] AndyRC: about it.
[2925.84] AndyRC: And that's the problem I have because you got sent the best
[2928.24] AndyRC: of the best and the worst of the worst.
[2930.64] AndyRC: And so when you get the worst, you're much harsher on it
[2935.24] AndyRC: than you would have been at the start.
[2936.74] AndyRC: And I think that's probably what that's about.
[2938.34] Jack: Yeah, I mean, like, I think my, you know, my biggest like
[2944.64] Jack: criticisation is like, what I'm trying to get to is Bruce
[2951.84] Jack: has got a direct line of contact with free sky and the product
[2956.04] Jack: wasn't out already.
[2957.64] Jack: Why isn't he like he used to do sending that bit of information
[2963.04] Jack: over to them and being like, guys, you really need to fix
[2966.44] Jack: this and they have fixed it.
[2969.04] Jack: And there's no follow-up video.
[2970.74] Jack: There's nothing.
[2971.64] Jack: There's no like update video.
[2974.64] Frank: John Racer 101 is in the chat and he's doing a competing
[2978.84] Frank: live stream with us because he's a 9,992 subscribers, 94
[2985.44] Frank: subscribers.
[2986.44] Frank: So he's six subscribers off the 10,000.
[2988.94] Frank: So if you find him in the chat, you know, subscribe to him.
[2993.94] AndyRC: He just told everyone to stop watching our stream and go
[2996.84] AndyRC: watch someone else.
[2997.64] Frank: I'm watching the stream just to go.
[2999.64] AndyRC: Who is it again?
[3002.74] AndyRC: I'll see you guys in a bit.
[3010.44] Jack: I'm just going to go see what drone 101.
[3015.64] Frank: And then, you know, once the stream is, once the stream is
[3019.34] Frank: over, over here, then you can go over there and watch all
[3022.24] Frank: these videos on the X-Plite.
[3023.54] AndyRC: Or you could.
[3025.44] AndyRC: Wait a second.
[3026.04] AndyRC: Are we doing anything after the show?
[3028.34] AndyRC: Yeah, we are.
[3029.34] Frank: I thought we were in which case you can go over to the
[3033.04] Frank: Patreon page and watch us make fools of ourselves again,
[3039.04] Frank: I guess.
[3039.54] AndyRC: Are we doing, are we doing velocity drone?
[3041.94] Curry: Yeah.
[3042.04] Curry: Well, more specifically, what sort of foolish stuff are we
[3044.44] Curry: doing this time?
[3045.04] AndyRC: Like, I don't know, I don't know.
[3050.34] AndyRC: It was fun the last time, but I think we have because we
[3052.54] AndyRC: have more people on there.
[3056.54] AndyRC: It was more stressful for Jack.
[3058.14] AndyRC: I think.
[3059.04] AndyRC: What are you eating?
[3061.44] AndyRC: Nuts?
[3062.14] AndyRC: Are you making me hungry?
[3063.94] AndyRC: Oh man, I'm starving.
[3065.54] AndyRC: Yeah, this is my tea.
[3066.64] AndyRC: This is nuts.
[3067.74] AndyRC: That's all I have.
[3068.44] Jack: I'm just really thirsty.
[3070.84] AndyRC: Have a drink then Jack.
[3071.94] AndyRC: Thank you.
[3076.01] Jack: What's this about you doing a fun run?
[3078.61] Jack: Are you like you're doing a charity fun run?
[3081.71] Jack: Tony's a really nice guy.
[3082.71] Jack: How can we sponsor you on it?
[3085.61] Tony: I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
[3088.21] Tony: You said you wanted to raise Tony.
[3090.91] Tony: We know you're saving the planet and you saved Curry
[3094.71] Jack: Kitten out of a tree once.
[3096.71] Jack: Come on.
[3099.81] Jack: Who the hell are you going on about you?
[3101.81] AndyRC: Yes to me like Jack's big and Tony up for no reason.
[3105.61] AndyRC: I don't know why that would be.
[3107.11] Jack: Yeah.
[3108.41] Jack: Tell us about your newest review.
[3111.71] Jack: What are you asking?
[3113.01] Jack: Yeah.
[3114.31] AndyRC: Right.
[3115.81] AndyRC: So I received a DVR from you.
[3122.61] AndyRC: Stop making me laugh Jack.
[3127.31] AndyRC: I received a DVR that you put into your copter with that
[3131.31] AndyRC: that's a bypass DVR.
[3133.41] AndyRC: So you don't get any latency that only records in a standard
[3137.71] AndyRC: definition, but it seems to be a thing that races are doing
[3140.71] AndyRC: they're sticking tiny DVRs in their model so they can look
[3143.51] AndyRC: at their FPV feed without any interference.
[3146.21] AndyRC: I received the run conversion app.
[3148.01] AndyRC: That's pretty good.
[3149.11] AndyRC: And I'm building the tricopter as well.
[3152.91] AndyRC: That is here although it's very dark.
[3156.81] AndyRC: Yeah, I've just got to do so.
[3159.11] AndyRC: I've just got to do the the tail tune part.
[3163.01] AndyRC: Oh, just got to do the tail.
[3165.71] Tony: That's the bit I'm stuck on.
[3168.51] Tony: Can I ask again like I do every week?
[3172.21] Tony: When is it coming?
[3173.61] AndyRC: Oh man, when this is done.
[3176.51] AndyRC: So I'm going to do this first and then it's going to be that one.
[3180.31] AndyRC: Right.
[3182.01] AndyRC: I'm looking forward to it.
[3183.21] AndyRC: That's all.
[3184.01] AndyRC: I know Tony.
[3184.81] AndyRC: I am as well.
[3185.71] AndyRC: It's going to be really good.
[3187.71] Jack: So I've got some news guys.
[3190.21] Jack: I have made it.
[3191.51] Jack: I'm officially as popular as Curry kitten and of course Andy.
[3197.61] Jack: I see and let me just get the let me just get the text.
[3203.21] AndyRC: True space.
[3204.31] AndyRC: It looks so confused.
[3207.81] Jack: What so anyway, I got a text message from a friend of mine who
[3215.51] Jack: shall not be named but there's someone now pretending to be me
[3220.31] Jack: right selling stuff on Facebook and check out his name.
[3226.11] Jack: I can't see it.
[3227.01] Jack: Jack Niche.
[3231.51] Tony: You definitely made it.
[3232.91] Jack: If someone's doing that and he reckons the the the charge
[3240.51] Jack: stations were 500 quid and someone's going to buy it and all
[3245.01] Jack: that sort of stuff.
[3245.91] Jack: So everyone Jack Niche.
[3249.11] AndyRC: The thing is the link in chat.
[3251.51] AndyRC: I want to be his friend unless he starts to randomly post offensive
[3255.31] AndyRC: things and comments about Tony.
[3258.01] AndyRC: No one's going to believe that it's you.
[3259.91] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[3261.31] Tony: Can it be more friendly than Jack?
[3263.41] Jack: I might put the I watch this old Tony on YouTube and I'm like,
[3270.01] Jack: why am I like not stuck with that Tony?
[3273.81] Jack: Why am I stuck with this one?
[3277.01] AndyRC: Speaking of people becoming friends Chad and Steel seems like
[3280.91] AndyRC: they've made up they've been flying together.
[3283.21] AndyRC: And do you think they'll start off a a separate supergroup
[3287.91] AndyRC: Roto Riot version 2?
[3290.41] AndyRC: What's going to happen there?
[3292.61] Tony: I don't know but do you did you I got that thing right that
[3297.91] Tony: I said Roto Riot are going to make an FC and they have.
[3301.51] AndyRC: Have they?
[3302.51] Tony: Yes.
[3304.41] AndyRC: Also, what's the spot grinder thing as well?
[3306.81] AndyRC: What's this is like doing a spin-off show on Roto Riot?
[3310.41] Tony: Chad talked about it on here, but I can't really remember what
[3313.01] Tony: he said some kind of.
[3315.31] Tony: I remember it was them playing themselves, but being deaf.
[3321.81] AndyRC: Yeah, that was it.
[3322.61] AndyRC: It's like semi-fictional, which is weird, isn't it?
[3326.61] Curry: That was the only thing that got me.
[3328.21] Curry: I was like so it kind of like we set up almost like we've set
[3332.21] Curry: it up and it's like how it would be but we sort of fixed it.
[3337.41] Curry: It's a bit like scripted reality.
[3340.21] AndyRC: Yeah, like a bit like Towie but the quadcopters that's going
[3343.11] AndyRC: to be lost on our International.
[3345.41] AndyRC: Oh, the Jersey Shore but for Roto Riot.
[3347.81] AndyRC: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's like scripted.
[3350.51] AndyRC: The Jersey Shore ended years ago anyways, so I'm told.
[3356.11] AndyRC: Never watched it obviously.
[3358.01] Tony: Just grab your nuts again Andy.
[3360.51] AndyRC: Yeah, that's a good point.
[3362.11] AndyRC: So just grab my nuts and be quiet.
[3365.81] AndyRC: Just dropped them.
[3367.01] Jack: Math full of nuts.
[3369.41] AndyRC: Tony, are you velocity droning with us?
[3371.41] AndyRC: Did you actually?
[3372.61] AndyRC: I haven't even had time to set it up still.
[3375.11] Jack: Yeah, he's been really busy lately.
[3380.91] AndyRC: Busy doing what?
[3382.91] AndyRC: Busy.
[3383.71] AndyRC: I saw a video on Tony's YouTube channel where his eyes were
[3388.31] AndyRC: so red and he was saying some really...
[3390.51] Jack: We're not allowed to talk about that because he's going to
[3392.61] Jack: get my...
[3393.31] Tony: No, you can talk about that.
[3395.31] Tony: I don't mind.
[3396.11] Tony: I got drunk trying to...
[3397.71] Tony: I got drunk and then tried to...
[3399.01] Tony: Yeah, that's what happened to taking down my channel.
[3403.81] Tony: I didn't say to...
[3404.91] Tony: I asked you to take because you without permission recorded
[3409.71] Tony: me being drunk.
[3411.71] Jack: Recorded you whilst you live streamed it out to the
[3414.91] Andy: YouTube channel for everyone to see.
[3420.41] Jack: Everyone line up for Tony's memory erasing.
[3425.31] Tony: I've got the men in black.
[3427.31] Tony: He's a fictional film.
[3430.61] Tony: It's not.
[3431.21] Tony: It's actually real.
[3432.31] Tony: It's real.
[3433.41] Tony: Do you not know this black?
[3439.21] Curry: I was so confused because it pops up on my thing saying
[3443.91] Curry: Jack is streaming with Zoe FPV doing some farming.
[3446.71] Curry: I went over to there.
[3447.61] Curry: I just had drunken Tony making up new swear words.
[3455.01] Curry: I was like, but that's YouTube stream in Jack's dream
[3457.91] Curry: and comments going.
[3458.71] Curry: I was like, well, that's just too surreal for me.
[3461.21] AndyRC: Yeah, it was it was Zoe was loving it.
[3465.11] AndyRC: She thought you were hilarious Tony and I was like crying
[3469.01] AndyRC: laughing because I didn't I didn't know where to type
[3471.11] AndyRC: because there were two streams going and like you didn't
[3474.51] AndyRC: know what was going on because you were so drunk and so
[3477.31] AndyRC: you haven't you haven't got velociram sorted.
[3479.71] Tony: So you know, I haven't had time.
[3481.11] Tony: I've been doing enough stuff.
[3482.11] Tony: I've been getting really early.
[3483.11] Tony: I've been working with Rich this week.
[3485.51] Tony: So I haven't even been like doing my own work.
[3488.61] Tony: So I've been getting up really early and doing other stuff.
[3491.71] Frank: Just so you know, as usual the chat is being very drone focused
[3496.41] Frank: and on topic and talking about the Menace Pico patch.
[3501.41] Tony: Oh, that's why did we not why have we not talked about that?
[3506.01] Tony: Yeah, yeah, I've got stickers especially being teen pilot
[3510.11] AndyRC: at all. Yeah, it's really good.
[3513.81] AndyRC: I've been flying it anymore.
[3516.91] Jack: It's Tony deadline.
[3518.01] Jack: He said finished at 9 o'clock.
[3520.01] AndyRC: Okay, fire fast go.
[3522.21] AndyRC: Why does Tony got some other stuff?
[3525.21] Jack: He's got like responsibilities now.
[3527.91] Jack: He's really bright enough.
[3532.01] Jack: Let's end the stream now.
[3533.31] Jack: You shouldn't leave your stuff around my house.
[3536.11] Tony: What's your left round your house?
[3538.51] Tony: I'm going to leave you a black eye if you don't shut up.
[3543.31] Jack: I didn't say anything.
[3546.21] Jack: You have my word.
[3547.21] Tony: I won't say anything.
[3549.81] Tony: Do you want me to you know, do the thing I'm going to do with
[3553.21] Tony: you?
[3554.21] Tony: Oh, hello.
[3555.41] Jack: Well, let everyone know that I shit myself.
[3557.91] Jack: Yeah, everyone knows that anyway, because you like told them Jack
[3561.61] Andy: you live stream from hospital.
[3564.51] Tony: Yeah, exactly.
[3565.61] Tony: Thank you.
[3566.11] Jack: And it wasn't the always set up for AMA because like everyone
[3569.91] Jack: knows I shit myself all the time anyway.
[3575.01] Andy: No comments.
[3575.81] Andy: We should end on that.
[3577.01] Curry: I think always end on the high festival.
[3581.31] Tony: I want to talk about more about the Pico patch quickly and Jack
[3586.61] Tony: stickers at the end of it.
[3587.71] Tony: Please is up.
[3588.81] Tony: Can we do that Jack or of this time run out?
[3591.81] Jack: I know you're in charge.
[3594.21] Jack: You're running like four minutes then let's draw now Millard.
[3599.01] Frank: So did anyone get to try the Pico patch at Mini Air Show or
[3602.91] Tony: have they managed to get hold of one of the boys from Menis.
[3605.91] Tony: I'll see your racing was using it and it was great and a few
[3611.01] Tony: of them got handed out by Greg to people like Andy and Jay and
[3615.61] Tony: stuff like that.
[3616.41] Tony: The reviewers stuff.
[3618.11] Tony: So yeah, Andy's done a great video on it.
[3621.81] AndyRC: Yeah, I love how Greg explained it in simple terms as well.
[3626.81] AndyRC: Like rather than like talking in DB, he did it and how sort
[3632.11] AndyRC: of like was FPV is like to see it really which is sort of
[3635.81] AndyRC: what's the benefit against the other Antenna like the invader
[3640.51] AndyRC: and what's the benefit in meters rather than in decibels
[3645.41] AndyRC: and Maths because that all like I'm terrible at Maths and
[3649.71] AndyRC: when I try and work out, you know, logarithms and stuff,
[3654.91] AndyRC: you know, 10 to 10 log or 20 log.
[3659.31] Tony: I'm just saying it's got great penetration and long range.
[3664.21] Tony: Someone else does as well.
[3666.01] Jack: Oh dear.
[3666.61] Jack: I'm right Tony.
[3667.31] Tony: So what about sort of angular like it's smaller, it's smaller.
[3673.71] Tony: It's more focused so you can go further with it.
[3677.71] Jack: The thing is, why don't we just have Greg on like next week
[3682.81] Jack: because like, you know, we like him and stuff and he's like
[3686.11] Jack: I need to talk to.
[3687.71] Jack: Yeah, he's a nice lad.
[3690.51] AndyRC: I'd be interested in how it came about.
[3692.51] AndyRC: Like yeah, definitely do that.
[3695.71] Frank: Come on team menace Tony.
[3698.81] AndyRC: Okay, I'll ask you in a minute and I'd like to see someone
[3701.71] AndyRC: like Josh check out an Antenna as well because it's really
[3706.91] AndyRC: just, I know people in over in the state having get FPV
[3710.71] AndyRC: sell them and pyroflip are going to sell them but a lot of
[3714.01] AndyRC: people are using different antennas over there.
[3716.21] AndyRC: Aren't they?
[3717.21] AndyRC: So yeah, I'd like to see it reach over there better like
[3721.31] AndyRC: because it deserves it.
[3724.78] Tony: And it's not hot.
[3725.58] Tony: It is the real hype.
[3727.88] Tony: It's not fake hype.
[3729.28] AndyRC: No, it's great.
[3730.18] AndyRC: And it works.
[3734.58] Frank: It's just good.
[3735.78] AndyRC: It just works.
[3736.58] AndyRC: Yeah, and that's it.
[3737.98] AndyRC: You know, you can talk about the technicalities of it and
[3741.58] AndyRC: why it shouldn't work and all that but it just does and you
[3744.28] AndyRC: know, I've tried lots of different antennas.
[3748.68] Tony: You spoke about it.
[3750.18] Tony: Well the other day when you told us how it works.
[3755.68] Jack: I've made a flow chart, right?
[3761.48] Jack: So then if I make fun of Tony, Tony leaves, right?
[3768.48] Jack: Jerk takes the show off.
[3770.88] Jack: Tony won't come on.
[3772.58] Jack: Therefore no show.
[3778.78] Jack: The show, no show.
[3781.68] AndyRC: I can't win.
[3784.98] AndyRC: That's funny.
[3786.38] AndyRC: You two are hilarious.
[3788.58] AndyRC: You're doing so much.
[3791.18] AndyRC: You're such a knob.
[3792.78] AndyRC: Go off air now.
[3793.88] AndyRC: Telemetry loss.
[3807.42] Jack: I hear that you're when you reach 60k and also you're going
[3811.52] Jack: to review Tony's knob.
[3814.32] AndyRC: What?
[3815.32] AndyRC: No, I love Tony.
[3816.72] AndyRC: Tony just makes me laugh all of the time and I have a bad
[3821.62] AndyRC: word to say about him and his kind is vegan and kind to
[3827.62] AndyRC: everyone.
[3828.12] AndyRC: So and it's just hilarious.
[3830.32] AndyRC: That's my review.
[3833.12] AndyRC: That's my review of Tony.
[3835.32] Jack: But I'm not allowed to get the sock out and I want to see
[3838.12] AndyRC: him happy and Nick here.
[3839.52] AndyRC: So that's awesome.
[3840.42] Jack: Yeah, I was happy for him.
[3841.62] Jack: But I'm not allowed to.
[3842.92] Jack: I heard this awesome joke.
[3844.42] Jack: I was at Michael McIntyre.
[3846.82] Frank: Just sad that he's lost Tony.
[3849.12] AndyRC: Yeah, someone.
[3868.84] Jack: So anyway, the warm-up.
[3870.74] Jack: And he was saying like he's friends with this guy and he's
[3881.54] Jack: not allowed to make fun of him because his friends going
[3885.24] Jack: out with a 30 year old and he's 50.
[3889.34] Jack: So he has to go round his house and like talk about normal
[3891.64] Jack: stuff like oh the house prices are so disgusting and like
[3894.94] Jack: oh, yeah, and we're all he wants to do is like make fun
[3897.64] Jack: of his friend because like, you know, he's now dating a 30
[3901.74] Jack: year old and he goes I just feel it building up inside of
[3906.14] Jack: me, you know, and then eventually he goes I just cracked.
[3911.04] Jack: I went around there and I saw my friend and he was like,
[3914.14] Jack: oh man, I've had to go on a speed awareness course and he
[3917.14] Jack: was like, why are you doing 50 and a 30?
[3926.42] AndyRC: That is a great joke.
[3931.22] Frank: I think it's time to end the show.
[3932.72] AndyRC: Completely irrelevant to anything about us or Let's
[3935.32] AndyRC: Grown Out or any of us, but funny joke.
[3937.72] Curry: Just another random story.
[3939.52] Tony: Yeah.
[3941.52] Tony: Thank you for my review Andy.
[3943.02] Tony: I love it.
[3944.02] Tony: No problem.
[3945.62] Tony: Are you going to say goodbye Jack?
[3948.42] Jack: Sorry.
[3949.22] Jack: Thank you for listening to Let's Grown Out.
[3952.22] Jack: We are powered by our Patreons Mikey Dred, Steve Gadlin and
[3956.82] Jack: the legend himself Green Patches is wearing.
[3959.72] Jack: He's so Canadian.
[3960.92] Jack: He's wearing his hoodie in the bright sunlight of
[3963.92] Jack: Kanakistan and of course, Andy RC.
[3972.22] AndyRC: Thanks for listening and watching everyone.
[3975.12] Jack: Andrew slash Frank wearing a bootleg shirt.
[3979.32] Jack: Yay.
[3980.12] Jack: Sorry, Andy RC.
[3981.12] Jack: I cut you off, man.
[3983.02] Jack: It's fine, Jack.
[3983.72] Jack: It's the leg.
[3984.32] Jack: Hurry on.
[3985.92] Jack: Curry kitten.
[3987.52] Jack: Goodbye.
[3989.12] Jack: And the the militant sucking fun out the show because we
[3992.92] Jack: can't take the mic out of him and he's getting my getting
[3998.52] Jack: my twitch.
[4000.12] Jack: The only thing that I do for myself and he's reporting me.
[4006.32] Tony: Tony.
[4007.02] Tony: I'm going to make it terrible for you.
[4009.32] Tony: Bye.
[4009.72] Tony: Bonjour.
[4010.22] Jack: Thanks for.
[4011.52] Jack: Bye.
[4012.22] Jack: And my life's not worth living because Tony said so Jack.
[4016.32] Jack: Brian to die and do on a high telemetry loss.