=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 151 ===
Title: LDO Episode; 151 X Class Special
Recorded: 2018-07-19
Hosts: Andy, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Zoe Stumbaugh
Total audience: 2,603
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-aqtnbJeU); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/483902922-letsdroneout-ldo-episode-151-x-class-special.m4a)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Grown Out. We have what number's this?
[10.64] Jack: It's then there have been BMFA magazines.
[14.32] Jack: Which is worrying. How many years have they been going?
[17.44] AndyRC: A hundred.
[20.56] Jack: Since the dawn of time. Right, tonight we are joined by Andrew slash Frank.
[27.12] Jack: Good evening.
[28.56] Jack: Andy R.C.
[29.76] Jack: Hello.
[32.48] Jack: My little Tony.
[34.0] Zoe: Hello.
[37.28] Jack: Our guest for tonight Zoe FPV.
[40.4] Zoe: Hey everybody.
[42.08] Jack: And I'm Jack Brighten Till I Fly and you're listening to Let's Grown Out.
[50.64] Jack: So apparently tonight we're going to talk about X-Class.
[54.48] Zoe: Dun dun dun.
[55.68] Zoe: If Tony can stay connected long enough.
[58.48] Jack: I'm back.
[60.96] Jack: Never leave me.
[62.16] Zoe: The X-Class pilot to talk about X-Class.
[65.92] Zoe: Yeah, I'm here.
[68.08] Zoe: So the last time I was here, you had just been getting into it.
[73.36] Zoe: And now you've flown your own rig, I think in a race, right?
[78.32] Tony: Not in a proper race yet.
[79.68] Tony: There it is behind me.
[81.04] Tony: Oh, a demo.
[81.84] Zoe: You've got it up in the air.
[84.8] Tony: Yeah, we've done a demo at...
[87.44] Tony: Tony got it up.
[90.16] Tony: Done a demo at a mini air show, which is pretty cool.
[93.84] Tony: A couple of months ago.
[95.6] Tony: But since then we've changed quite a few things.
[98.16] Tony: We were flying 6S and it was just not working for us.
[102.0] Tony: It was too slow.
[103.36] Tony: And I was on full throttle pretty much all the time.
[107.6] Zoe: Yeah, but the 400 PV motors, you need 8S on them.
[111.52] Zoe: To get any kind of real speed.
[114.8] Zoe: The funny thing with those 400 kV motors is that
[118.24] Zoe: the whole concept of them is that you can't blow them up.
[122.64] Zoe: Like you can try, but they're one of the most bulletproof motors out there that I've tested.
[130.24] Zoe: But that also means they're not as fast as a lot of the other bigger motors out there.
[135.36] Zoe: But there's definitely been a risk.
[139.84] Zoe: Once you start going up in size with the current ESDs that we have,
[143.92] Zoe: you're going to start seeing more fires.
[147.76] Zoe: So it's really hard to find a good balance between speed and not catching fire.
[159.28] Tony: We have not got anything moving yet.
[162.32] Zoe: That's good.
[162.88] Zoe: That's good.
[164.16] Jack: But wait, why is it going there?
[167.52] AndyRC: Why is it going there?
[170.32] Jack: Who's not wearing it?
[172.0] Jack: Zoe?
[174.0] Jack: The shit shouldn't be echoing.
[181.84] Tony: I've turned myself down.
[182.88] Tony: Is that better?
[183.84] Jack: It weren't you.
[184.64] Jack: I think it was Zoe.
[185.44] AndyRC: Everyone just assumes it's Tony when it's a crud.
[187.92] AndyRC: Oh, it is.
[189.28] AndyRC: It would look it in.
[190.08] Jack: It's in.
[191.68] AndyRC: No.
[193.44] Jack: Tony hasn't got the bandwidth to mess it up today.
[196.24] Jack: So you couldn't get on his phone.
[198.16] Tony: It's on my phone now.
[199.28] Tony: It's working.
[201.92] Tony: And yeah, so we haven't basically haven't got anything hot yet.
[206.24] Tony: But we have mapped out the track that you guys flew and the car track.
[213.44] Tony: We mapped that out with flags and we were two seconds off the pace.
[219.2] Tony: But that was with dual blades.
[222.64] Tony: And we've got the new tri-blades that you guys run now.
[225.84] Tony: So we've yet to test it again now.
[228.48] Tony: So we're hoping.
[230.32] Zoe: Yeah, those tri-blades have quickly become the de facto standard right now.
[236.24] Zoe: I see everyone using them.
[239.12] Zoe: Even DR1's secret teams I've seen little photos and snippets of are using them.
[247.44] Zoe: And they make a big difference.
[249.12] Zoe: That whole prop was originally designed to have a load in the air and at speed.
[256.8] Zoe: So it's meant to have not a static load on it, but an active load as it's up in the air.
[264.16] Zoe: A lot of people think props, you just put them on a thrust stand and you get your data.
[269.76] Zoe: That doesn't tell you half the story.
[272.08] Zoe: It tells you a good deal of static pressure tests,
[275.28] Zoe: but it doesn't tell you how the props can reform in the air once unloaded and it's at speed
[280.8] Zoe: and it has airflow already going over it.
[283.92] Zoe: Realistically, that doesn't really matter until you get past 70 miles an hour.
[288.16] Zoe: Once you start getting past that point, that's when the aerodynamics really come into play.
[294.24] Zoe: Especially once you get past the 120 mark.
[298.16] Zoe: I'd like to do that.
[300.16] Zoe: You can very well get there with 8-Cell on the 400 kV motors with the master air screw 12 by...
[309.52] Zoe: Sorry, 13 by... No, wait, 13 by 12s?
[313.52] Zoe: Yes, 13 by 12 by 8s.
[316.64] Zoe: They will do close to 140.
[321.6] Zoe: At least it should in theory, because the 8-Cell definitely helps out when you go that route.
[327.76] Zoe: The thing you're going to definitely have to watch for is that the prop is really heavy
[331.6] Zoe: for that motor, so the acceleration time is going to be a little bit more.
[337.36] Zoe: If you try to blip the throttle a lot, you're going to really start heating up the motor
[341.6] Zoe: and that's going to cause...
[343.84] Zoe: You'll start warming stuff up soon.
[347.44] Tony: We need to warm stuff up, but we're using a no-fare ride at the moment.
[353.36] Tony: Okay.
[362.96] Tony: What's going on with this chat today? Echoing everywhere.
[365.76] Tony: I can't remember. Is Martin in the chat?
[368.96] Tony: I can find out for you, but I cannot remember what kV they are.
[373.12] Jack: Why don't you just go over there and have a look?
[375.68] Tony: Because that's not it. The rig is at his...
[380.72] Jack: What's with the echo, people?
[382.64] Jack: Don't know.
[384.72] Jack: Is that you, Zoe?
[386.48] Zoe: Is it me? I don't know. It could be a combination thereof,
[389.92] Zoe: but I've done podcasts before with this audio set up and I haven't had any issues.
[396.0] AndyRC: It's intermittent, which is weird, isn't it? It's coming in and out.
[401.49] Frank: Frank.
[403.73] Frank: I've been muted, so where me?
[407.17] Tony: Any ideas?
[409.49] Tony: Everyone mute yourself when they don't talk.
[411.57] AndyRC: We need to pay attention to the green thing going up and down and see what's causing it.
[418.61] Frank: I'll keep an eye out. Next time we hear something, then we...
[422.13] Zoe: Dun, dun, dun!
[425.49] Tony: But we've got to put a pod on, hasn't we?
[428.29] Tony: Because apparently there's a pod now you've got to run.
[431.17] Tony: This is the controversy. Dun, dun, dun!
[435.57] Zoe: So part of the controversy.
[438.05] Zoe: So let me back up to the pod thing a little bit and rewind time just a little bit back to
[446.69] Zoe: when it was originally brought into existence.
[450.45] Zoe: And for those that don't know, the pod thing.
[455.01] Zoe: X-Class is at one point in time, and I say this at one point in time,
[459.73] Zoe: instituted a rule for you to have a canopy with a five by eight surface area on it.
[467.49] Zoe: It was originally intended so you could put advertising space on the side of your machine
[472.13] Zoe: to attract sponsors.
[473.73] Zoe: There was a whole theory behind it, and there was a really big reason for it.
[481.25] Zoe: I had spent, originally back in season four, I came out with my original canopy,
[485.73] Zoe: which was basically a thong.
[487.81] Zoe: It covered just the basic part of the aircraft,
[491.25] Zoe: but it met the current, which is now the current, five by eight canopy standard.
[497.33] Zoe: At the time, I was told it was too small, so I made something bigger.
[502.53] Zoe: Well, is that my down?
[505.33] Zoe: What's that my down?
[507.49] Zoe: This is TPU.
[510.13] Zoe: So it's like flexible.
[511.49] Zoe: It's actually really cool.
[512.29] Zoe: This canopy has survived three crashes so far.
[516.61] Zoe: So it's, it took a hundred hours to print.
[522.53] Zoe: I want to say thank you, old gravy leg, for spending the time to print this out.
[526.13] Zoe: But it's still holding up to all the abuse that I put it through, which is pretty cool.
[533.41] Zoe: And I hand sculpted this in virtual reality using a pair of Oculus touch controllers and a headset.
[541.09] Zoe: So this was like handmade in a weird way.
[546.93] Zoe: So yeah, I spent a lot of time on the canopy design and the canopy was basically made a
[554.13] Zoe: requirement for the track races.
[555.89] Zoe: And this is also because the track owners at the time said they need to look bigger.
[560.77] Zoe: They wanted them to appear bigger.
[562.93] Zoe: And one of the ways you do that is by making a canopy.
[567.65] Zoe: And so X-Class then spent time X-Class in the core group.
[572.85] Zoe: There was like a good five or six of them that spent several weekends over a couple
[578.77] Zoe: months developing out the current X-Class standard canopy.
[584.37] Zoe: Although I've heard there's issues with that one because one, it's flat like a car body.
[590.53] Zoe: So when you're up in the air, it's actually pushing against you and it makes the machines
[596.05] Zoe: really slow.
[598.45] Zoe: But the other bigger issue is that they made it with traditional design materials.
[603.73] Zoe: And this is just history.
[606.29] Zoe: This is just stuff that I want to get out there in the world because I think it's neat
[609.89] Zoe: and interesting and no one's heard it before.
[614.37] Zoe: They went the traditional route.
[616.05] Zoe: So they had Katrina knows why sculpts a body for the canopy.
[622.05] Zoe: So she made basically a mold for it.
[625.41] Zoe: They poured silicone over it and made a silicone master and then made a proper mold from that.
[633.09] Zoe: And then they did a traditional Lexan casting using a body and whatnot to make their canopy.
[641.01] Zoe: It looks interesting.
[645.49] Zoe: I mean, it definitely has some sexy lines to it.
[648.13] Zoe: But for a drone canopy, it's not as optimized as it could be.
[653.17] Zoe: And one of the bigger issues is that the mold technique, it's delicate.
[659.89] Zoe: You end up breaking the masters a lot.
[663.57] Zoe: So anyways, they spent a lot of time to have those canopies for machines.
[669.89] Zoe: So that there could be pilots that could go out in the fields with those canopies and use them.
[676.13] Zoe: And use them with the X-Class machines if they needed a machine.
[681.57] Zoe: So everything was good and dandy up until the first track race when Colby and a few other pilots
[691.17] Zoe: showed up, ostrich air too.
[694.13] Zoe: If I'm going to name names, I'm going to name names.
[696.77] Zoe: But a couple of the bigger teams showed up without canopies when it was a required rule.
[702.77] Zoe: And each team was made very well aware that they needed to have a canopy.
[707.09] Zoe: So almost on the spot, they changed the rule and said, okay, we get away with it for the first race,
[713.81] Zoe: but the next race, canopy.
[716.69] Zoe: And then somewhere between race one and two, they made it so the body of the aircraft
[723.09] Zoe: at any point in time, if it's five by eight inches, meets the rule.
[728.53] Zoe: Which is stupid because they're 800 by 800 millimeters.
[733.41] Zoe: You could argue that that's the body of the aircraft.
[736.61] Zoe: Yeah.
[737.41] Zoe: And that meets the spec.
[738.85] Zoe: So it's almost like they threw and this is by they, I mean, Noah, the CEO of X-Class
[743.97] Zoe: throughout the canopy ruling.
[746.69] Zoe: And through essentially throughout hundreds and hundreds of hours of work that I put into it,
[751.65] Zoe: not once, but twice.
[754.13] Zoe: So I was a little peeve, to say the least.
[759.97] Zoe: I was a little, especially because there were a lot of pilots that did put in the time to make
[764.61] Zoe: the canopy.
[765.41] Zoe: Yeah.
[766.29] Zoe: I mean, Shane.
[766.93] Tony: I was seeing cars and stuff.
[768.53] Zoe: Yeah, dude, that thing was so cool.
[770.69] Zoe: Shane actually took the time to put that together.
[773.81] Zoe: And he almost made a DeLorean, like a flying DeLorean.
[776.77] Zoe: I was like, that would have been too much.
[779.41] Zoe: And then it just goes back in time.
[783.89] Zoe: And the funny thing is we go up to those speeds routinely.
[788.37] Zoe: But yeah, so like he spent time on it.
[791.01] Zoe: John Gazer, he spent time on his canopy and several other pilots, like the X-Class crew,
[798.37] Zoe: like all the pilots that were fielded had canopies.
[800.69] Zoe: I had my canopy.
[802.69] Zoe: And that's really where my, I guess, like, issue came from.
[813.49] Zoe: Because it wasn't just me that was slighted.
[815.57] Zoe: In some ways, it was other people.
[817.65] Zoe: And then on top of that, even have a judge, quote unquote, confirming that they had given
[824.53] Zoe: pilots passes, not just for the first race, but for the second race and previous races.
[830.13] Jack: So there's Tony sorting out his sound for the moment.
[833.81] Jack: It was him, the echo.
[836.77] Zoe: I was gonna say, my setup is always-
[838.13] Jack: Have you got a cameraman, Zoe?
[840.69] Zoe: No.
[841.09] Zoe: So this is a role.
[843.73] Zoe: It tries to track my face.
[845.25] AndyRC: I don't think we can hear Tony at all now, can I just say?
[847.89] AndyRC: I can see his lips moving, but no sound.
[853.25] Zoe: He's saying X-Class is stupid, and it's big.
[855.81] AndyRC: Not that he's saying sign language, Tony.
[859.65] Frank: I don't really want to know Tony's sign language, to be honest.
[865.9] Zoe: He's like, give a thumbs down on this video, please.
[873.09] Zoe: But seriously, take a moment to like and subscribe to Let's Drone Out,
[877.33] Zoe: because these guys are awesome.
[880.21] Jack: There's so many, like, Patreons in the chat.
[884.77] Jack: It's amazing.
[885.81] Frank: Thunder Fluke in the chat has been asking about where to get a frame in the UK.
[893.01] Frank: Just been saying that because Tony's been getting his frames through fossil stuff,
[896.77] Frank: so they're developing that at the moment.
[899.81] Frank: But fossils do like to tinker a lot,
[904.69] Frank: so I think the best thing is to just message them and be like, stop tinkering, start selling.
[910.37] Frank: That's my recommendation.
[912.29] Zoe: Yeah, seriously, there's the only place that's selling X-Class frames,
[916.53] Zoe: Dysonian.com, and we've been waiting for someone else to sell something
[920.85] Zoe: just so we have competition on the market.
[925.25] Zoe: It's one thing to be alone standing in the field,
[928.21] Zoe: but to have other people with you standing in the same field, the same vision,
[933.17] Zoe: I think lends credence to the idea,
[935.09] Zoe: and I think there's more than one way to build these things.
[938.53] Zoe: I'd really like to see more variation in the designs that are out there
[941.81] Zoe: and what people can get their hands on.
[943.97] Frank: Also got falling with style, so that's Luke, I'm pretty sure,
[948.45] Frank: who's building his own at the moment.
[950.53] Frank: He's getting a custom top and bottom plate built.
[954.13] Frank: He was asking, do you have any recommendations of the sweet spot for X-Class sizes?
[961.01] Frank: I'm pretty sure I've seen a lot of people have been going on the 800 side.
[965.65] Zoe: Yeah, so the 800 millimeter is actually...
[970.37] Zoe: There's history behind why it's not 1,000 millimeter and why it's 800 to 1,200.
[976.93] Zoe: At the first X-Class race, I showed up with an 800 millimeter rig,
[981.01] Zoe: and Kevin Sellers had a 1,200 millimeter rig,
[985.81] Zoe: and we were like, well, that's about 1,000 if you combine the two,
[991.89] Zoe: and that's kind of an open range for people to kind of innovate
[995.73] Zoe: and build different types of machines, and so far we've seen that.
[1001.25] Zoe: Although there definitely has been a trend towards small,
[1005.01] Zoe: so a lot of people are building out the 800 millimeter spec frames,
[1008.85] Zoe: and again, and it's also why it goes back to the canopy,
[1012.85] Zoe: they're going as small as possible, and when you add a canopy, you add drag,
[1018.85] Zoe: so competing against people that don't have canopies is kind of nasty.
[1023.41] Jack: Do you know what I would do is...
[1025.89] Zoe: Take off my canopy?
[1028.05] Jack: If people don't show up with a canopy, you know,
[1029.89] Jack: like biplanes with the flag with writing on the back of it,
[1036.69] Jack: yeah, you should have them and give them to people that don't have canopies
[1041.09] Jack: as it's drag and it'll be like, I'm a moron, I can't read the rules.
[1045.41] Zoe: Well, I kind of want to have...
[1047.41] Zoe: So with these X-Class races, for the track races, for people that don't know,
[1051.65] Zoe: is completely different than any kind of drone race you've ever been to,
[1055.41] Zoe: because it's exactly like an old school automotive track race.
[1059.49] Zoe: So the car divisions, they have different divisions of cars that come out onto the track,
[1064.37] Zoe: and as one car division comes on and does their 20 lap race or whatever,
[1071.33] Zoe: they drive off the track, and then the next division comes in
[1074.61] Zoe: and does their race.
[1076.05] Zoe: Well, X-Class has their own division within that,
[1079.33] Zoe: so we come out and do our own race, and then cars come out and do their own race.
[1084.13] Zoe: So we are actually running the same basic kind of rules the cars are running,
[1089.25] Zoe: we're running the same track, and we have the same audience,
[1092.29] Zoe: and we're incorporated into the same racing structure of their typical race nights.
[1098.53] Zoe: So it's open track racing, it's much more head-to-head,
[1101.89] Zoe: and I will say there's something for head-to-head racing
[1104.77] Zoe: when you have four people grouped up, and they're trying to fight for position.
[1109.65] Zoe: That is really intense, especially when you have these giant machines
[1113.97] Zoe: traveling at 100 miles an hour, and they're really pushing the limit.
[1120.13] Zoe: I mean, every race we've had multiple crashes, and it's been kind of a spectacle,
[1126.77] Zoe: and that's without having obstacles.
[1128.45] Zoe: We've had crashes just by pilots pushing the limits of their machines
[1133.41] Zoe: to get around the track as fast as possible to compete,
[1137.33] Zoe: and that's kind of cool in its own way, and changes the dynamics of drone racing.
[1143.81] Zoe: During the whole time, you can look anywhere and know exactly
[1146.53] Zoe: where every machine is on the track as a spectator,
[1149.57] Zoe: and that's something that's really missing with drone racing, at least traditionally.
[1154.13] Zoe: Is dual canopy helping or hindering you, do you think, at the moment?
[1160.69] Zoe: It's a bit of both.
[1161.81] Zoe: So in the straightaways, I think it hinders me a little bit,
[1164.93] Zoe: because it adds to that drag.
[1168.21] Zoe: In the turns, I actually think it does help me a bit.
[1171.01] Zoe: I've noticed from reviewing the footage,
[1173.25] Zoe: I'm able to take the turns tighter than anybody else,
[1176.77] Zoe: and part of that, I believe, is due to the fact
[1179.17] Zoe: that the canopy design actually does work.
[1181.65] Zoe: As I go into the turn, I push this thing sideways,
[1184.93] Zoe: and I angle it in a way where it actually pushes the craft down and into the turn,
[1189.49] Zoe: and actually reduces the amount...
[1192.05] Zoe: I have black box logs on this that reduces the amount the craft has to yaw.
[1197.17] Zoe: So instead of yawing, the machine's relying on this to hold the position of the yaw,
[1202.05] Zoe: and the machine lets up off the motors for the yaw,
[1204.61] Zoe: and actually allows them to go a little bit more throttle, and gives you more top end.
[1211.57] Zoe: In the turns, great.
[1213.65] Zoe: Coming out of the turns, going the straightways,
[1215.81] Zoe: it definitely adds a bit of drag to that,
[1218.37] Zoe: and definitely hinders me from passing and doing passing maneuvers.
[1225.49] Zoe: I mean, it's the most minimalistic way I could do it.
[1228.69] Zoe: I mean, going straight on, this does not add too much,
[1232.85] Zoe: but it definitely still adds more than any other machine currently out there.
[1241.65] Zoe: Ugh, it bothers me.
[1246.29] Zoe: It more or less bothers me.
[1247.49] Zoe: Well, not any other machine out there.
[1248.93] Zoe: I should say any other machine that has a complete custom canopy.
[1252.45] Zoe: Like Shane's canopy is more or less off the shelf.
[1255.09] Zoe: The X-Class canopy for those pilots is off the shelf.
[1259.81] Zoe: This one is bigger than it needs to be,
[1261.81] Zoe: which is sad because at the beginning of the season,
[1263.89] Zoe: I was told this needs to be bigger.
[1266.05] Zoe: So midway through the season, I'm told it could be smaller,
[1268.93] Zoe: and now I'm like, meh.
[1272.53] Zoe: So a lot of the facts that they haven't had the rules completely in place,
[1277.09] Zoe: they haven't been enforcing the rules completely yet.
[1279.57] Zoe: For the sake of the show and the fact that it's so young
[1282.05] Zoe: and they're still fleshing everything out,
[1284.77] Zoe: I sort of understand that.
[1286.21] Zoe: But at the same time, I'm a freaking competitor,
[1288.93] Zoe: and I love to compete.
[1290.85] Zoe: And since my first drone race,
[1292.69] Zoe: all I wanted was a fair racing competition going forward,
[1296.69] Zoe: so it'd be fun to compete in.
[1299.01] Zoe: But the history has shown that drone racing
[1302.37] Zoe: has been a bit of a boondoggle at times,
[1304.53] Zoe: and it's been hard to get it running smoothly
[1307.73] Zoe: and enjoyable enough for the pilots and the spectators alike.
[1312.45] Zoe: But I still hold out hope because I believe the format
[1316.53] Zoe: for giant drone racing will evolve.
[1318.77] Zoe: The format for miniquod racing is evolving.
[1321.17] Zoe: I've noticed that there's a general trend towards team racing now,
[1325.25] Zoe: which is really cool to see.
[1327.25] Zoe: And I believe team racing is going to really kind of push
[1331.57] Zoe: the drama and the interaction aspect of racing forward.
[1336.93] Zoe: Now, you pair that with giant drones,
[1339.73] Zoe: and then you pair that with pit crews
[1342.37] Zoe: and the ability for these machines to pit,
[1344.37] Zoe: so you have the action continuously happening,
[1347.41] Zoe: and not just happening for two minutes at a time,
[1350.37] Zoe: then you have a real sport.
[1352.21] Zoe: Until we get to that point,
[1354.05] Zoe: everything, in my opinion, is just for show,
[1357.73] Zoe: and I need to chill out because,
[1362.61] Zoe: yeah, I take it really seriously at times.
[1367.33] AndyRC: That sounds really interesting, the pit thing,
[1370.29] AndyRC: so you land, swap battery, go again.
[1373.41] AndyRC: I mean, that could really switch things up, you know?
[1376.53] AndyRC: I like that idea.
[1377.73] AndyRC: I missed that from Formula One, actually.
[1380.05] AndyRC: Even, you know, they do the whole race now on one thing.
[1384.85] Zoe: So the biggest detriment to the miniquot,
[1388.05] Zoe: or drone racing in general,
[1390.29] Zoe: has been the fact that they took the basic idea
[1393.25] Zoe: from the first race, the obstacle course,
[1396.85] Zoe: and they're like, this is a drone race.
[1398.69] Zoe: And since then, they have expanded on that idea,
[1401.81] Zoe: but they have not let it evolve past that.
[1406.45] Zoe: And so we've been kind of selling
[1409.97] Zoe: what I call drone racing version 0.1.
[1414.45] AndyRC: The races last like two minutes, is that right?
[1417.41] Zoe: Yeah, and you're lucky if the downtime
[1420.61] Zoe: between races is two minutes.
[1422.29] Zoe: I mean, on a good multi-GP race,
[1424.37] Zoe: you're lucky if that gets down to about two minutes.
[1427.25] Zoe: And most pilots are happy
[1428.61] Zoe: if the downtime is less than two minutes.
[1431.65] AndyRC: Yeah, but then you see, you know,
[1433.81] AndyRC: we had Western Part this year,
[1436.85] AndyRC: and it's a funny event because it runs,
[1440.21] AndyRC: it's an FPV event that runs alongside
[1442.85] AndyRC: a huge line of sight, large model show,
[1446.69] AndyRC: you know, like so, like massive, you know,
[1450.37] AndyRC: 20 foot wingspan RC line of sight stuff.
[1453.57] AndyRC: And there was probably 10 to 15,000 people
[1458.29] AndyRC: watching the big scale aircraft.
[1460.93] AndyRC: And then the FPV side was just one bloke
[1464.69] AndyRC: in a foldable chair.
[1466.29] AndyRC: And it was so sad.
[1469.01] AndyRC: And I said to Andy, you know,
[1472.21] AndyRC: this needs changing, surely.
[1475.49] Zoe: There's a weird thing.
[1476.29] Zoe: So if you go to South Korea,
[1477.89] Zoe: there's been crowds that a lot of drone races,
[1480.77] Zoe: like South Korean audience eats it up.
[1484.21] Zoe: Because like they've eaten up pro gaming esports,
[1488.05] Zoe: and that's become a big thing over there.
[1489.89] Zoe: And for them, drone racing is almost
[1491.97] Zoe: a natural extension of that.
[1493.49] Zoe: And it's kind of allowed it to grow.
[1495.65] Zoe: In America, esports is only now starting
[1498.53] Zoe: to kind of get its traction.
[1500.61] Zoe: And that's really even hard to say,
[1502.93] Zoe: because it's, I mean, it's big,
[1506.45] Zoe: but it's not as big as it could be.
[1509.41] Zoe: And it's starting to overpass some real sports.
[1513.57] Zoe: And it's starting to almost, you know,
[1516.13] Zoe: shoulder to shoulder with some of the bigger ones,
[1518.05] Zoe: like golf, basketball, and even baseball.
[1525.09] Zoe: But it's not that every day past time really yet.
[1529.57] Zoe: And the same thing with drone racing is like,
[1531.41] Zoe: we've only been drone racing for a few years.
[1533.81] Zoe: Like it took gaming 30 years.
[1537.89] Zoe: Like it took gaming, you know,
[1539.57] Zoe: like way longer, three times as long
[1543.25] Zoe: before it started to become any kind of real.
[1545.57] Zoe: It is something new, isn't it, Melissa?
[1549.57] Zoe: I mean, if you look at any sport
[1551.57] Zoe: going back into the first couple years of it,
[1553.89] Zoe: it's an absolute fucking mess.
[1556.37] Zoe: Like it, it's absolutely true.
[1557.73] Zoe: Like there's skeletons in every sports closet.
[1560.61] Zoe: Like it is absolutely true.
[1562.77] Zoe: And that's kind of, I kind of want to say that
[1564.69] Zoe: in the sense that every drone league I've been in
[1567.97] Zoe: has had their own skeletons and issues.
[1571.01] Zoe: And a lot of the drone leagues I've heard of
[1572.85] Zoe: have had their own issues as well.
[1575.65] Zoe: And that's even going back from Dubai,
[1577.65] Zoe: drone nationals, drone worlds.
[1582.69] Zoe: Even some of the ESL events I've been a part of
[1585.25] Zoe: had their own issues.
[1588.13] Zoe: And X-Class, I mean, especially X-Class
[1590.85] Zoe: because it's new and it's pushing a new kind of boundary
[1593.41] Zoe: and a new whole new, not just a boundary, but boundaries.
[1597.25] Zoe: The fact that we're doing this in a stadium
[1599.09] Zoe: full of people with giant drones.
[1601.49] Zoe: Meanwhile, others aren't even able to do it with mini quads.
[1605.65] Zoe: That's a big deal.
[1606.93] Zoe: Like that's something that a lot of people
[1608.93] Zoe: haven't really soaked in yet.
[1611.97] Zoe: So, you know, for the shortcomings I see within the rules
[1616.05] Zoe: and in some ways competitors following them.
[1618.69] Zoe: And in a lot of ways, not the competitors fault,
[1620.93] Zoe: but the organization for not enforcing them.
[1623.41] Zoe: And I want to make that very clear.
[1624.69] Zoe: My issue is not with any of the competitors.
[1627.17] Zoe: Like I love Colby Dearly.
[1628.61] Zoe: I love Ostrich Air.
[1629.73] Zoe: I love all those guys a lot.
[1632.85] Zoe: My issue is with the fact that
[1635.97] Zoe: essentially they were given passes by the organization.
[1639.33] Zoe: And because of that, now we have the discrepancy
[1641.65] Zoe: on the canopies.
[1642.45] Zoe: People like, do I need one?
[1643.41] Zoe: Do I not need one?
[1645.09] Zoe: And it's caused issues like that.
[1649.17] Zoe: So that's one of my issues with the X-Class organizations.
[1655.25] Zoe: It's with the fact that me personally,
[1658.21] Zoe: and I sadly consider myself an athlete when I compete
[1661.17] Zoe: and an artist when I'm flying freestyle.
[1663.57] Zoe: When I'm an athlete, I give a shit about the rules.
[1666.85] Zoe: I want to follow the rules to a tee
[1668.69] Zoe: and compete to the best of my abilities.
[1671.09] Zoe: And I really expect everyone else to do the same.
[1674.05] Zoe: That's what creates the level playing field.
[1675.65] Zoe: And that's what, in my opinion, makes it fun.
[1678.85] Zoe: When that doesn't happen, it kills the joy for me
[1681.81] Zoe: as a competitor.
[1683.01] Zoe: And it's something that I really love.
[1686.53] Zoe: Like it's not so much I love winning,
[1688.45] Zoe: but I love competing and even failing,
[1691.89] Zoe: but still showing that I've got something,
[1693.65] Zoe: but still I love a fair competition.
[1697.33] Zoe: And that's something I've only really found a love
[1701.65] Zoe: and a need of when I got into drone racing.
[1703.57] Zoe: Before drone racing, I played video games.
[1706.77] Zoe: And that was the most amount of competition I had in my life.
[1709.65] Zoe: And since getting into that, or getting into drones,
[1713.49] Zoe: I've craved a proper competition
[1716.69] Zoe: and potentially be able to have a career as a pilot,
[1719.57] Zoe: both as a competitor and as an artist.
[1722.93] Zoe: And I've just been let down a lot as a competitor.
[1728.61] Zoe: And I know I'm not alone.
[1732.13] Zoe: Like you've seen a large turnover of drone racing pilots
[1735.49] Zoe: within just the last year.
[1738.61] Zoe: And it's something that...
[1740.45] AndyRC: In the X-Class, or in general?
[1742.69] Zoe: In general, in general.
[1744.21] Zoe: In X-Class, we've seen a growth.
[1746.77] Zoe: I don't think, especially the last few months,
[1749.25] Zoe: X-Class has just really gotten popular.
[1754.53] Zoe: Especially since it sounds like DR1
[1757.09] Zoe: is gonna be doing something with giant drones.
[1759.17] Zoe: And I say that because I'm not a part of it.
[1761.25] Zoe: Wish I was.
[1762.85] Zoe: And I've only seen murmurs about them
[1765.17] Zoe: doing something right now.
[1766.69] Zoe: And I'm like, where the heck am I?
[1771.41] Zoe: So it's like...
[1774.21] Zoe: But that being said, it still adds fuel
[1776.13] Zoe: to the fire of X-Class going forward
[1778.69] Zoe: because it legitimizes giant drone racing.
[1782.29] Zoe: And this goes back in the history.
[1784.45] Zoe: I had a meeting with DR1 over two years ago
[1788.29] Zoe: about giant drone racing.
[1790.05] Zoe: I had a meeting with the CEO, Brad Fox-Avon,
[1792.85] Zoe: about the possibility of implementing a meter-sized drone
[1798.05] Zoe: with the ability to go 100 plus miles an hour
[1802.21] Zoe: to really be exciting.
[1804.45] Zoe: And I told him I could do that
[1805.81] Zoe: and I was gonna do that.
[1808.05] Zoe: And then they uninvited me
[1810.69] Zoe: and they pulled that from the table.
[1812.53] Zoe: Well, I kind of carried on with that vision.
[1816.61] Zoe: I'm like, this is obviously what people want.
[1820.21] Zoe: They wanna see bigger, cooler, more fast drones.
[1823.73] Zoe: The format is broken and it needs to change.
[1827.81] Zoe: At least it needs to change
[1828.93] Zoe: if we want it to be a spectator sport.
[1831.41] Zoe: And we want it to have sponsors with interest
[1834.21] Zoe: and actually shelling out money
[1836.21] Zoe: for pilots and people to compete.
[1839.01] Zoe: And I say that more as something proper
[1843.65] Zoe: because right now DR1, it's a marketing play.
[1847.73] Zoe: They have a lot of backing by PepsiCo
[1850.45] Zoe: and their associated brands,
[1852.05] Zoe: but they're owned by that.
[1854.21] Zoe: So it's basically PepsiCo's idea
[1857.89] Zoe: of taking advantage of the drone racing hype
[1860.05] Zoe: and selling ads.
[1862.53] Zoe: DRL is trying to go about it more like an actual league,
[1867.41] Zoe: but in a lot of ways, they turned it into a TV show
[1871.09] Zoe: and now they're trying to actually legitimize their league,
[1875.09] Zoe: which I see as kind of cool.
[1878.61] Zoe: Even though I've probably been their biggest critic,
[1883.25] Zoe: which for fair reasons, for fair reasons,
[1886.45] Zoe: even though people criticize me for it.
[1888.45] Zoe: I mean, some of it is justly due.
[1890.37] Zoe: It was a very inflammatory image.
[1892.85] Zoe: But the thing is the leagues are still like that.
[1898.45] Zoe: If you look at the issues I brought up months ago,
[1902.05] Zoe: there's still problems today in the drone industry.
[1904.45] Zoe: And I've seen attempts to fix a lot of the issues
[1908.93] Zoe: that I brought up,
[1909.97] Zoe: but it hasn't really happened yet.
[1914.61] Zoe: So I still hold out hope that my initial,
[1918.77] Zoe: what I talked about months ago
[1920.37] Zoe: will come back to help the industry out
[1923.41] Zoe: and more female pilots.
[1924.61] Frank: Pretty far in the US with the X-Class
[1927.17] Frank: and that you've got the reality of racing going
[1929.89] Frank: and it's building up as a thing.
[1932.37] Frank: You've obviously got your taking issues with the rules
[1934.93] Frank: and exactly getting the details right,
[1937.89] Frank: but it's well on the way.
[1940.93] Frank: In the UK, we've got Tony in a field,
[1943.17] Frank: dicking around.
[1946.93] Zoe: So not to disparage that,
[1948.93] Zoe: but that's the thing.
[1949.81] Zoe: X-Class started its own chapter program
[1952.93] Zoe: and the UK chapter with Tony was the first one.
[1957.25] Zoe: And the idea with that was to encourage more people to race
[1961.09] Zoe: because it only takes two people to race.
[1963.25] Zoe: And it's a lot of fun just racing with two people
[1966.21] Zoe: at these giant machines.
[1967.57] Frank: And we've got a lot of people in the chat asking about details
[1970.53] Frank: about power trains and all that sort of thing.
[1973.41] Frank: And I'm pretty sure there's a good list somewhere.
[1976.29] Frank: You probably know the details of more than I do.
[1980.53] Zoe: So X-Class.racing has a list of some of the stuff out there.
[1986.29] Zoe: They just updated it recently
[1988.77] Zoe: and it's on the top of the website.
[1990.69] Zoe: So just go X-Class.racing
[1992.61] Zoe: and you'll see rules and regulations
[1995.73] Zoe: and the whole shebang of stuff and information.
[2001.33] Frank: Page on the field list.
[2003.33] Zoe: And if you want to see what I'm flying
[2005.01] Zoe: and know what I'm flying, go to Dysonian.com.
[2007.33] Zoe: I have a build list for everything there.
[2011.09] Zoe: It's yeah.
[2013.81] Zoe: Like the California Vixen with 666 KV motors.
[2017.33] Zoe: The master is screwed through 13 by 12 by 8 props.
[2020.69] Zoe: The 80 amp ESCs and a 6000 maw 75C battery.
[2027.41] Zoe: That's currently the fastest recorded drone in X-Class
[2030.85] Zoe: and that currently has the track time at Antioch.
[2036.61] Zoe: So it's battery running?
[2038.85] Zoe: 6000 maw 75C.
[2041.89] Zoe: And it's too small.
[2044.69] Zoe: What success for us, I guess?
[2047.09] Zoe: All the ass.
[2049.17] Zoe: Success.
[2050.53] Zoe: So I call it the deal with the devil on this one.
[2054.45] Zoe: So it's 666 KV motors running six cell on a 6000 maw battery.
[2060.85] Zoe: And it hauls ass.
[2066.53] Tony: Why was all 666 so slow?
[2069.97] Tony: I mean, we were only running that.
[2072.05] Zoe: So one of the biggest issues right now is batteries.
[2074.69] Zoe: Like we have a lack of really good high C rating batteries at this size.
[2080.93] Zoe: Like the mini quad market, this is what happened is like
[2084.13] Zoe: the mini quad market happened.
[2085.89] Zoe: The industrial market happened here.
[2088.37] Zoe: The mini quad market took the battery technology
[2091.33] Zoe: up and up and up and up and up and up and up.
[2093.89] Zoe: And the industrial market stayed the same.
[2097.25] Zoe: And my tracking on my camera sucks.
[2100.45] Tony: We can say you think.
[2101.25] Tony: Did it follow your hands?
[2103.89] Zoe: I was trying to track my face and I was trying to make gestures
[2106.45] Zoe: with my hands and it confused it.
[2110.37] Jack: The hell is that thing?
[2112.21] Jack: Has it got a name?
[2113.65] Jack: Is it the little thing that you had on the front of your canopy
[2117.33] Jack: with a little sticky up arms?
[2119.73] Jack: What happened to that man?
[2120.93] Jack: That was amazing.
[2122.21] Zoe: That was a Photoshop.
[2124.45] Jack: Was it?
[2125.97] Zoe: Yeah, because when I saw the little there's antennas that stick up.
[2130.53] Zoe: And in my head, I thought it just looked like someone going.
[2134.45] Zoe: So I photoshopped a little hands onto it.
[2138.13] Zoe: I might have to actually add those.
[2140.77] Jack: Damn it.
[2141.25] Jack: I'm like Tony.
[2142.05] Jack: I feel like I've just found out the earth's round now.
[2144.85] Jack: I'm really.
[2146.53] Jack: You are woke, Jack.
[2147.81] Jack: Oh, no, well, no, no, the earth is flat.
[2151.17] Zoe: Find out next week on the second episode of quad bashers
[2154.85] Zoe: while we test whether or not the earth is round.
[2159.41] Tony: You've been flying high speed into things.
[2161.49] Tony: I'm watching it slowly, but it's so fun.
[2167.89] Jack: Is your battery still the same questionable shape?
[2173.97] Tony: Well, last time you were on, you had a funny shape battery.
[2179.9] Zoe: Oh, yeah.
[2180.54] Zoe: No, I'm not going on.
[2182.38] Jack: Yeah, your battery is still trying to summon Satan with 666 and the giant dildo.
[2190.54] Zoe: No, no, no, no.
[2191.02] Zoe: I wrote the contract with the dildo battery and we're good now.
[2196.22] Zoe: So the 666 can be called on track and then I handed Satan the dildo
[2200.62] Zoe: and he's like, I'm going to use this on you later.
[2203.1] Jack: You ever get a new car, you name it Satan.
[2207.58] AndyRC: I tell you what, a success dildo.
[2209.82] AndyRC: Now that's going to be some power, isn't it?
[2212.62] Jack: I'd love to see Andy running that.
[2216.86] AndyRC: On the way things are going, that might be my next, having you, I tell you.
[2222.3] Zoe: I don't know how much.
[2224.06] Zoe: Okay, so I hadn't signed the NDA when I found it out,
[2227.74] Zoe: but there's a certain motor company that's working on a success dildo.
[2233.5] Jack: Shut up.
[2237.26] Zoe: Let's just say the sexual wellness market is way bigger than the FPV market
[2242.7] Zoe: and they're realizing their technology could be used for way more than drones.
[2247.1] AndyRC: I can just see the slogan, Rip in Bulls.
[2253.42] Tony: Okay, this podcast always goes somewhere, doesn't it?
[2258.38] Tony: I'm just going to bring it back a bit.
[2261.1] Frank: I know, I know, sorry.
[2264.22] Frank: There was some question in the chat earlier about
[2268.3] Frank: how big a space do you actually need to fly these things?
[2272.06] Zoe: So this is debatable, depends on how good of a pilot you are.
[2277.5] Frank: Bearing in mind that we're talking about all these guys in the chat that are like,
[2280.46] Frank: I want to build one and then try it out.
[2283.34] Zoe: So if you're talking about space, like a football field,
[2287.18] Zoe: football field's a pretty good space for it.
[2291.58] Zoe: That's about the general size, regular track and field.
[2294.86] Zoe: If you have a track and field by your house, like a high school or something,
[2298.46] Zoe: you can go there during an off time and actually do timing.
[2303.02] Zoe: So the really cool thing with the track and field is that their tracks are defined by length
[2307.82] Zoe: and you can use Google Earth and actually plot out your camera footage versus the time
[2313.34] Zoe: it takes you to go around a track and plot out how fast your average speed is on a drone.
[2319.9] Zoe: Currently, that is the most reliable way of telling you how fast a machine is.
[2325.02] Zoe: And it's currently the way the Guinness Book of World Records counts drone speed.
[2330.22] Zoe: So if you're trying to count your speed and get some testing data in,
[2334.46] Zoe: I recommend using that method.
[2336.86] AndyRC: What method was that, Zoe?
[2338.38] AndyRC: Sorry, I missed that.
[2339.42] Zoe: What method do they use for the speed?
[2341.66] Zoe: So it's essentially measuring time over distance or distance over time.
[2349.02] AndyRC: So at the average speed rather than actual top speed?
[2352.06] Zoe: Yes, because so far, every measurement method that they've tried for the top speed,
[2357.98] Zoe: like the absolute top speed, like radar and stuff like that has been fairly inconsistent.
[2362.78] Zoe: And the most reliable method of gaining time or recording time is between two points of space.
[2370.86] Zoe: So essentially, a machine starts here, ends there.
[2373.82] Zoe: And that's the time it takes to go between those two points.
[2377.58] Zoe: That's how you get the average speed of the machine.
[2379.74] AndyRC: Yeah, I think what can happen with the bigger models is maybe it can pick up the props,
[2385.26] AndyRC: like deflections from the props and stuff.
[2387.1] AndyRC: Because I do speed testing with radar.
[2392.54] AndyRC: And yeah, it can be off by quite a bit sometimes.
[2395.98] Zoe: Yes, I think at some point in time, the prop is as wide as the arm on the machine.
[2401.82] Zoe: And it's almost as thick when you combine the aluminum and stuff and its actual radar.
[2408.38] Zoe: We don't know what that is in this country.
[2411.1] Tony: What is?
[2412.22] Tony: Aluminum.
[2414.7] Tony: Sorry.
[2417.58] Zoe: I'm sorry that you're using carbon fiber still.
[2422.22] Zoe: We've just changed.
[2423.82] Zoe: Are you using the HDPE?
[2426.38] Zoe: No.
[2428.14] Zoe: Aluminium.
[2428.62] Tony: That's not a good deal, though.
[2429.82] Zoe: So you're using aluminium.
[2431.5] Zoe: You've coming to the dark side.
[2433.34] Tony: We have because it's cheaper.
[2435.82] Tony: Because it's cheaper.
[2437.9] Zoe: Basically.
[2439.18] Zoe: Okay.
[2440.7] Zoe: I see how it is.
[2442.78] Zoe: How many am.
[2443.74] Jack: Frank, you're going to be using a potato.
[2446.38] Zoe: No, it's just funny.
[2447.26] Zoe: It's just like Dysonian.com like Dyson and we set the trend for aluminum frames.
[2451.98] Zoe: We're like people, carbon fiber, stupid, expensive, break easy.
[2456.78] Zoe: Aluminum, cheap, holds shape, easy to repair.
[2461.82] Zoe: I mean, I've yet to break one of my aluminum frames.
[2465.18] Zoe: And that's kind of saying something for crashing these things at 100 miles an hour.
[2470.06] Tony: Our frames are still carbon, but we've just swapped to using aluminium arms
[2475.1] Tony: because they're two quid a go instead of whatever they were.
[2480.7] Tony: 10 quid a go or something.
[2481.98] Tony: So you can just replace an arm.
[2485.66] Tony: Yeah, that's a point.
[2488.3] Tony: You can replace it in like two minutes.
[2490.94] Zoe: And it's also it allows you to pick the breaking point.
[2493.82] Zoe: If you don't pick the point that breaks on these machines, it's going to pick it for you.
[2498.38] Zoe: And with aluminum arms, you have the ability to and a lot of crashes.
[2503.42] Zoe: If it doesn't break, bend it back into place and keep flying, which you can't really do with carbon.
[2511.9] Zoe: So it's it's definitely like I know, Armiton, they're going aluminum.
[2518.78] Zoe: And it's funny that it's taking giant racing drones back to basically old school aircraft
[2526.54] Zoe: building techniques, which is aluminum construction using aluminum grade aircraft.
[2534.22] Zoe: So, yeah, we're going back in time a little bit with these giant rigs about aluminium for a five inch.
[2541.9] AndyRC: Or does that is the power to weight ratio?
[2545.34] AndyRC: You know, is it is it too much for five inch?
[2547.74] AndyRC: So I've always wondered that we'll just use carbon fiber.
[2552.22] Zoe: So there's been a few frames out there that have been full car or aluminum.
[2557.1] Zoe: And in general, the milling on them is not enough to make them light enough
[2563.42] Zoe: to be competitive with the carbon fiber frames.
[2566.3] Zoe: And one of the bigger issues, these giant X-Class machines,
[2569.34] Zoe: is that the flat pack carbon fiber frame works for a mini quad.
[2573.98] Zoe: But once you get to the larger machines, you start having arms.
[2577.1] Zoe: You can't have a flat packed arm for next class quad.
[2580.22] Zoe: And if you do, it's going to be massive and really heavy and like just unwieldy.
[2586.46] Zoe: So a lot of people are using adapters on the motors and the frame.
[2592.94] Zoe: To hold an arm of some kind, whether it be an aluminum tube,
[2596.78] Zoe: a hexagonal shape tube or whatever have you hold the arm in place.
[2603.26] Zoe: And what that ends up doing is it creates a lot of extra hardware
[2607.5] Zoe: that's required to hold it in place.
[2611.34] Zoe: And that adds expense to manufacturing,
[2614.7] Zoe: adds time for building, adds complexity, adds failure points.
[2619.34] Zoe: That's a really big thing, especially out on the arms.
[2621.9] Zoe: It adds really big failure points.
[2625.18] Zoe: So going with like the Dysonian design
[2627.9] Zoe: where we've flat packed the end of the tubes
[2631.34] Zoe: and we've created a way to kind of reinforce the strength of the tubes
[2635.5] Zoe: so it's not a smushed flat.
[2639.98] Zoe: And even allows you to run the wiring inside the arms,
[2644.7] Zoe: which is kind of nice too,
[2645.9] Zoe: which is like we have a really clean wiring setup that's coming out soon.
[2649.9] Zoe: And then on top of that, the aluminum frame,
[2652.62] Zoe: like the one Dysonian is working on and should be out hopefully next week,
[2659.58] Zoe: is $99.
[2660.62] Zoe: Like you pay $99 bucks and $20 shipping
[2663.26] Zoe: and we send you all the aluminum,
[2665.1] Zoe: the custom made welded hub for it with the one bolt removal.
[2669.9] Zoe: So the arms pop off with one bolt,
[2671.9] Zoe: which makes them really easy to travel with.
[2674.54] Zoe: And you print out your own parts.
[2679.1] Zoe: So you can print out without motor pads,
[2681.02] Zoe: you can go bare, you could just print out a little pod.
[2684.3] Zoe: Hell, you can even buy some of the parts separately
[2687.34] Zoe: and just buy what you need.
[2689.98] Zoe: Say you wanted to hand build some parts
[2691.74] Zoe: or just use the base frame for another configuration.
[2696.14] Zoe: For example, there's one pilot critter.
[2699.9] Zoe: He's bought the sole frame
[2702.06] Zoe: and he's basically made a slam deck mount version of it
[2707.42] Zoe: where the battery is on top.
[2709.66] Zoe: He also he's made a couple of different variations.
[2713.34] Zoe: And that's another big thing of note is the Dysonian frames
[2716.78] Zoe: were planning on supporting that frame architecture,
[2721.02] Zoe: like the base frames going forward for years.
[2724.3] Zoe: So like when we release a new product,
[2726.78] Zoe: it's going to be based off of the existing frame designs.
[2730.22] Zoe: So if you have one of our frames,
[2732.22] Zoe: you'll be able to basically bolt on a new configuration
[2736.06] Zoe: or new arms for new motors and essentially go.
[2740.14] Zoe: So the same frame and much like old school automotive production
[2744.78] Zoe: will be able to go through several generations of use
[2747.98] Zoe: before we discontinue it.
[2751.9] Zoe: And I don't think we will.
[2753.02] Zoe: I think the aluminum frame is here to stay
[2755.74] Zoe: and the full aluminum build from Dysonian
[2759.02] Zoe: is going to be a staple of ours.
[2762.06] Zoe: We're working on a new, this is kind of babbling,
[2764.22] Zoe: we're working on a new configuration of it.
[2766.7] Zoe: And I don't know how much I want to reveal
[2769.42] Zoe: because it's going to be unlike anything
[2772.14] Zoe: anyone's ever seen before.
[2776.06] Zoe: And I'm kind of worried about others
[2778.94] Zoe: getting to the design of it before we get it out.
[2781.58] Zoe: And there's a very large chance that we'll never sell
[2785.58] Zoe: the design that we're working on next.
[2788.38] Zoe: As it's a concept design and it's trying to prove a point,
[2794.14] Zoe: we're completely rethinking the idea of what an X-Class drone is
[2798.54] Zoe: and should be and look like.
[2801.18] AndyRC: So it's going to be a five inch, isn't it?
[2806.78] AndyRC: I'm kidding.
[2808.94] Zoe: Let's just say X-Class gives you wings.
[2811.9] AndyRC: Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
[2815.58] AndyRC: When you see F1 and we could be doing perhaps things
[2819.9] AndyRC: with downforce and stuff like that.
[2822.06] AndyRC: And I always thought about breaking with the motors
[2827.82] AndyRC: and stuff, maybe more stuff with that
[2830.22] AndyRC: when it comes to corners.
[2831.34] AndyRC: I think there's a lot to be explored.
[2833.5] AndyRC: So that's what I thought when you went down those lines.
[2837.18] AndyRC: Yeah, wings and stuff and downforce,
[2839.98] AndyRC: maybe adjustable things.
[2842.46] Zoe: We've got a roadmap ahead to push ahead hybrid designs.
[2851.74] Zoe: And it's something that I'm really passionate about.
[2857.5] Zoe: And it's also something that we might be scaling
[2860.22] Zoe: up to 1600 millimeters.
[2863.42] AndyRC: You'll be able to sit in it at some point.
[2866.3] Zoe: Well, so there's a 1600 millimeters is the size of a car.
[2871.42] Zoe: If you put the motors where they should be,
[2873.9] Zoe: they're essentially where the wheels would be on a small car.
[2878.22] Zoe: So at that point in time, you're dealing with a machine
[2881.5] Zoe: that you could almost say rivals that of traditional automotive racing
[2887.74] Zoe: and creates a spectacle that is something to behold.
[2894.06] Zoe: So I'm hoping that project will materialize sooner than later.
[2899.34] Zoe: There's two different projects within that.
[2901.18] Zoe: There's the 1600 millimeter project,
[2903.34] Zoe: and then there's the hybrid project.
[2907.74] Zoe: And the idea behind that is that it's essentially
[2910.62] Zoe: one's a scaled up version of the other.
[2912.54] Zoe: So we're approving the hybrid concept and the 100 millimeter range.
[2917.42] Zoe: And once that concept is proven,
[2920.14] Zoe: we're going to be moving on to basically proving technologies
[2926.54] Zoe: within the 1600 millimeter range.
[2928.86] Zoe: And I have some hopes and theories for that.
[2933.58] Zoe: I know it's so hard to talk about
[2936.38] Zoe: because some of these bigger projects are a bit slower moving.
[2941.26] Zoe: And realistically, there's not a lot of money in it,
[2944.38] Zoe: and I'm not doing it for any kind of money.
[2946.14] Zoe: So there's really no reason I should be secretive.
[2948.7] Zoe: But there's a couple companies that I've been working with,
[2951.02] Zoe: IQ motion control and Freedom Motors.
[2953.42] Zoe: And Freedom Motors makes a...
[2955.98] Zoe: Basically, the next best thing to an electric motor
[2959.74] Zoe: and a gas motor, which is a Wankel rotary engine variation,
[2965.1] Zoe: which essentially has two moving parts
[2967.42] Zoe: instead of one moving part that our electric motors have.
[2970.7] Zoe: And it has the ability to change its RPM within half a second,
[2975.1] Zoe: within 20% of its range.
[2976.62] Zoe: So it can rev up very quickly and rev down very quickly,
[2980.3] Zoe: a lot like our electric motors.
[2985.1] Zoe: I know. It sounds funny, but Dr. Wankel is the guy
[2988.7] Zoe: that invented this engine.
[2990.22] Zoe: And there's some interesting history behind it.
[2995.02] AndyRC: Would that be on every single arm
[2997.34] AndyRC: or would it be one motor that drives belts?
[3000.14] AndyRC: So it would be on every single arm
[3002.54] AndyRC: because that would be a new thing as well, wouldn't it?
[3004.22] AndyRC: Because a lot of the gas powered quadcopters, if you will,
[3008.46] AndyRC: have been sort of belt driven up to now from what I've seen.
[3011.9] AndyRC: So yeah, it's an interesting idea.
[3014.38] Jack: Trouble is with the Wankel engine is the little seals wear out
[3019.58] Jack: and also they're not that...
[3021.98] Zoe: Well, this is the biggest thing with the seals.
[3023.9] Zoe: The seals only wear out when you're not running the engine at efficiency.
[3029.26] Zoe: So there's a big secret to the Wankel engine
[3031.9] Zoe: that a lot of people don't realize is that
[3034.94] Zoe: they tend to leak when they're not running.
[3037.42] Zoe: So they'll leak oil when they're not in use.
[3040.3] Zoe: But once it's in use,
[3041.58] Zoe: the machine essentially creates an equilibrium within itself
[3045.74] Zoe: and the seals are functional.
[3047.9] Zoe: So if you keep it running continuously,
[3050.94] Zoe: it actually stays sealed and it doesn't wear down the seals.
[3057.42] Zoe: The biggest issue with the Wankel engine
[3059.5] Zoe: is that a lot of people just kind of forgot about it.
[3062.3] Zoe: And it hasn't really been proven against other technologies.
[3067.18] Zoe: Like a lot of the projects that we're incorporating,
[3071.42] Zoe: the versions of the engine,
[3073.58] Zoe: especially even going back to DARPA projects
[3077.66] Zoe: that the current designer of the engine I'm talking about is...
[3085.34] Zoe: Gosh, I keep forgetting his name.
[3089.18] Zoe: Dr. Paul Mohler.
[3090.3] Zoe: So Dr. Mohler has a version of this Wankel engine
[3093.42] Zoe: that he's potentially giving me access to
[3096.54] Zoe: for demonstration craft.
[3099.42] Zoe: And the biggest thing is changing,
[3101.26] Zoe: essentially, our flight controller systems,
[3103.82] Zoe: which in theory it's possible to use a high-speed servo system
[3108.7] Zoe: instead of regular signals.
[3111.42] Zoe: So the ESCs will be PWM using signals instead,
[3115.98] Zoe: operating a high-speed servo, changing the rate of the engine.
[3120.46] Zoe: And the biggest issue with that is
[3122.38] Zoe: you can't get the same kind of update rates
[3124.54] Zoe: on those engines as you can, electric motors.
[3129.1] Zoe: So it's effectively harder to tune, but not impossible.
[3133.5] Zoe: It means you have to relax the PIDs and not update it as fast.
[3140.38] Zoe: Essentially, you're just changing the way it updates
[3143.26] Zoe: and slowing down the updates to the motors
[3147.26] Zoe: and what it expects back from it.
[3149.58] Zoe: Then there's a secondary option I'm looking at
[3152.06] Zoe: with IQ motion control using electric motors
[3154.62] Zoe: and using the highest tech electric motors out there right now
[3159.02] Zoe: to make a giant racing drone.
[3162.46] Zoe: And currently, they've got the motors under manufacture
[3165.66] Zoe: for electric surfboards,
[3168.7] Zoe: but the same motor can be used in other applications as well.
[3174.14] Zoe: That's a 5-kilowatt motor.
[3175.9] Zoe: So it's potentially a 20-kilowatt machine at 1600 millimeters,
[3180.14] Zoe: which is not unheard of, but it's definitely going to be beefy.
[3187.02] Zoe: So those projects are kind of my long-term whales right now.
[3192.94] Zoe: We have the frame. We have that. That's fine.
[3196.78] Zoe: It's mainly down to the power system.
[3199.02] Zoe: And while we could strap our current motors
[3203.42] Zoe: and props onto a 1600-millimeter frame,
[3206.22] Zoe: it just wouldn't do it justice.
[3207.5] Zoe: So it's kind of a wait for the right motors and whatnot.
[3214.3] Zoe: And once they get here, it's going to be a mad dash
[3216.54] Zoe: to actually build the machines.
[3220.06] Zoe: So that's my long-term projects right now with X-Class.
[3223.42] Zoe: Because 800 millimeters is cool,
[3225.58] Zoe: but I still think it needs to be bigger.
[3227.98] Zoe: Wow. Bigger than that.
[3229.18] Tony: I've got to shout out to Squeechie FPV.
[3232.86] Tony: Squeechie? Squeechie? I don't know.
[3234.86] Tony: Hello, mate.
[3236.06] Zoe: Is it S-Q-U-I-S-H-Y?
[3239.02] Zoe: Yeah, that's him.
[3240.06] Tony: Squeechie.
[3241.26] Tony: Squeechie.
[3242.14] Tony: Hello, mate.
[3248.06] Tony: How many more X-Class races is there in the calendar in the US?
[3253.18] Tony: And can me and Martin from Fossil Stuff come over and fly one?
[3258.54] Zoe: Yes and yes.
[3260.86] Zoe: I think there's six more planned this year,
[3263.42] Zoe: or five more planned, depending if they rescheduled
[3265.98] Zoe: one of the races that got canceled.
[3270.94] Tony: That was a blind one, wasn't it?
[3272.06] Tony: Old tornado or something?
[3274.62] Zoe: No, actually it was, I believe,
[3276.78] Zoe: from the fact that we actually lost our flying field.
[3279.42] Zoe: So a local airport shut down flying drone
[3282.22] Zoe: at a spot that we were going to hold it at.
[3286.46] Zoe: Which goes to the fact that a lot of places in the United States
[3289.74] Zoe: have started adding regulations to where you can fly your drones at,
[3293.58] Zoe: and it's becoming harder and harder to fly in the US.
[3298.62] Tony: Do I have to take a test if I come over to fly?
[3302.22] Tony: Yes.
[3302.78] Jack: And do you have a registered address?
[3306.22] Tony: What kind of test is it?
[3308.46] Tony: Oh, I hate your test at school.
[3310.22] Tony: Is it an IQ test?
[3311.82] Tony: Oh, that's a five.
[3312.7] Tony: You can't call me a scale IQ.
[3315.34] Zoe: So the part 107 test is like 80% of what you'd have to get
[3320.62] Zoe: and take for your written on a private license for full-scale aircraft.
[3328.78] Zoe: You need to know how to read aeronautical maps really well,
[3333.1] Zoe: and know exactly what all that shit means.
[3335.82] Zoe: And you can cram it into your head in 48 hours
[3340.86] Zoe: and get through the test, like a lot of people do.
[3343.26] Zoe: But it leaks very badly.
[3346.46] Zoe: That's why you cram for 48 hours.
[3349.42] Zoe: I actually created a study guide to help me cram for the test.
[3352.46] AndyRC: It sounds like none of that would be useful to actually fly.
[3356.62] Zoe: It's not.
[3358.54] Zoe: Literally, maybe 10%, maybe 20% of the test actually relates to drones.
[3364.62] Zoe: Most of it's relating to general aeronautical knowledge,
[3367.66] Zoe: and that's why I say most of it,
[3369.66] Zoe: like, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for me
[3372.86] Zoe: to actually go for my full-scale pilot's license at this point in time.
[3377.18] Zoe: Like, I wouldn't have to study too much more on the written side of things.
[3381.98] Zoe: I just have to get a lot of stick time in a plane
[3385.18] Zoe: and pass another written test that's a lot like the one I just passed.
[3392.14] Zoe: I'm too tall.
[3393.18] Zoe: I get so claustrophobic on planes,
[3396.54] Zoe: and most of the starter planes are really tiny.
[3402.7] Frank: So you would go in a fleet of street poles and ultralight them?
[3407.42] Zoe: An ultralight, maybe.
[3408.78] Zoe: If there's no canopy, and if we're out in the world, I think I'd be okay.
[3413.02] Frank: Because someone was suggesting earlier that you take the motors,
[3415.58] Frank: that he's got on his ultralights and stick them on the next class.
[3418.86] Frank: A lot of work.
[3420.94] Zoe: That's kind of the direction we're going.
[3425.74] Zoe: I really think that's the direction drone racing is going.
[3429.34] Zoe: I think that's one of the reasons why Dysonian in general is kind of
[3434.94] Zoe: why we're moving towards more hybrid designs,
[3439.18] Zoe: is that we're playing a long game,
[3441.34] Zoe: and we know that designs are going to evolve,
[3446.54] Zoe: and once people are shown a better way, they'll catch onto it.
[3451.42] Zoe: Jack's got something.
[3453.9] Jack: Are you sure you guys would want to ride Peter's plane?
[3459.1] Jack: You two were like loving aluminium.
[3461.58] Jack: Have you seen his landing gear in his last video?
[3465.1] Jack: No.
[3468.14] Jack: It's made of aluminium.
[3472.78] Jack: Sorry, I should have brought this up to you earlier.
[3475.02] Jack: Do you mind erasing the raggy thing on the board?
[3480.14] Jack: It's triggering Tony.
[3483.18] Tony: I'm totally cool with that now.
[3484.78] Tony: I'm over it.
[3486.06] Tony: What was that?
[3486.7] AndyRC: Is there some insider joke going on here?
[3490.62] Jack: Anyway, now we started talking.
[3493.82] Jack: Hey, Andy, RC.
[3496.78] Zoe: So I just got to say, there is a little bit of a sore spot
[3499.74] Zoe: for me and the raggy thing now, too.
[3501.98] Tony: Explain, I want to know what's going on.
[3505.02] Zoe: Come to the light side.
[3506.86] Zoe: No, no, no, just to get it off my chest.
[3510.3] Zoe: So I spent two months helping out on the Raggy WBX for Roto-Riot.
[3515.82] Zoe: Is this a raggy?
[3519.66] Tony: Boy, Andy, I'll say that's...
[3522.7] Tony: Tussles needs to be burnt.
[3524.46] Tony: Jack built this one, if that makes it worse.
[3527.02] Jack: I was forced to.
[3529.66] Zoe: But I worked on the variation, let me grab it real quick.
[3533.9] Jack: No, actually, I don't think I did.
[3535.58] AndyRC: I think this wound needs to be opened up.
[3538.54] Tony: Not again.
[3539.5] Tony: This has been so many times.
[3541.74] Tony: What's wrong with Raggy?
[3544.78] Zoe: Oh, Andy, we need a chat.
[3548.14] Zoe: There's fun backstory between Raggy and Paul's and stuff,
[3550.7] Zoe: but let me tell you my history with them, at least.
[3555.02] Zoe: Thomas came to me a while ago and was like,
[3556.94] Zoe: hey, Zoe, I've got this frame.
[3558.38] Zoe: I want you to have it and just send me a bunch of stuff to review
[3561.9] Zoe: and some parts to build it out.
[3565.98] Zoe: I built one out.
[3566.78] Zoe: I loved it.
[3567.34] Zoe: I loved the way it just went together.
[3570.38] Zoe: And initially, compared to the fossil stuffs,
[3572.78] Zoe: I liked that more.
[3575.5] Zoe: But that was kind of my initial thing.
[3578.54] Zoe: So I just kind of started flying my Raggy more.
[3581.74] Zoe: And eventually, the Roto-Riot guys were like,
[3583.98] Zoe: hey, Zoe, we're not Roto-Riot.
[3585.42] Zoe: It was Ashley Thomas from Raggy.
[3588.22] Zoe: He's like, hey, Roto-Riot's interested in one of my frames.
[3591.5] Zoe: And can I get some help testing it out and working on it?
[3595.42] Zoe: And so I spent a lot of time.
[3600.14] Zoe: I had my own frame in development that I put on hold
[3604.22] Zoe: to help this out because it was the episode
[3606.22] AndyRC: where they crushed it into Chadd's player.
[3611.98] Zoe: Yeah, that was around the time when I initially made it.
[3616.38] Zoe: And it was actually before that when I got my first Raggy frame.
[3620.3] Zoe: And this is like staying back from the initial interaction
[3625.74] Zoe: from Drone Nationals 2015.
[3627.9] Zoe: There's a long history of interaction between them
[3631.1] Zoe: or between Thomas and I.
[3632.46] Zoe: So anyways, I'm working on the frame.
[3636.94] Zoe: It's coming out well.
[3637.98] Zoe: I like it.
[3640.06] Zoe: And I'm getting no kickbacks at all for it.
[3644.22] Zoe: So I spent two months on not my own frame
[3646.94] Zoe: to receive nothing for it.
[3648.86] Zoe: And I get no real credit at all at anything I helped with.
[3653.34] Zoe: I went through piece by piece actually building the frame
[3655.82] Zoe: and making sure where holes needed to be cut out for people
[3659.02] Zoe: that those places were properly set up.
[3663.66] Zoe: And this is where the real hurt comes in.
[3665.74] Zoe: I'm fine with helping on development and stuff on things
[3668.86] Zoe: just because I love being a test subject.
[3672.22] Zoe: I love testing stuff.
[3673.58] Zoe: That's one of my most favorite things in the world
[3676.3] Zoe: is just making something new that hasn't been made before
[3679.9] Zoe: and making it a reality.
[3681.34] Zoe: That is the thing that gets me off more than any other thing.
[3684.78] Jack: You've got a fetish of being a guinea pig.
[3690.14] AndyRC: Yes.
[3690.62] AndyRC: I think we all have Jack.
[3692.7] AndyRC: Otherwise, we would not be on this ship.
[3696.54] Jack: I'm a mad scientist.
[3698.54] Zoe: But the biggest issue, depending on all the issues I had with it,
[3701.98] Zoe: was that in the final production of the frame,
[3705.26] Zoe: they screwed up some of the pieces and some of them were not correct.
[3711.58] Zoe: So one of my fans was shipped out of frame that I helped them put together
[3717.82] Zoe: only to find out that they put the holes on the wrong piece
[3721.9] Zoe: and you couldn't physically put it together.
[3724.3] Zoe: So I had to take my soldering iron and cut out the little structures
[3730.22] Zoe: that it needed for the wires to run through.
[3732.94] Zoe: And I'm thinking to myself, here I am.
[3735.42] Zoe: I basically sold this personal frame.
[3737.26] Zoe: They bought it because they saw it from me.
[3739.74] Zoe: I didn't get paid for it.
[3741.02] Zoe: And here I am dealing with the production issues
[3743.02] Zoe: because they couldn't spend five minutes to check
[3746.7] Zoe: to make sure the piece was done right.
[3749.5] Zoe: That's right.
[3752.06] Zoe: And it still pisses me the fuck off because I've been about a week and a half,
[3755.34] Zoe: two weeks without a word on what is going on with production issues.
[3760.14] Zoe: Good old Raggy.
[3762.22] Zoe: Sorry. Okay.
[3763.1] Zoe: I feel better now.
[3765.02] Tony: You don't get that for some stuff, you know.
[3767.1] Tony: And were we first?
[3769.02] Tony: Oh, yes, we were first.
[3770.46] Tony: Yeah.
[3771.18] Zoe: That's the thing is like I love I love Raggy.
[3773.42] Zoe: I love Thomas.
[3774.14] Zoe: Like Thomas has been a good friend to me.
[3776.62] Zoe: But when I am essentially working for you for free
[3782.22] Zoe: and you're screwing up and it's making me look bad in front of one of my fans,
[3787.18] Zoe: that becomes that's a bit of a problem.
[3790.38] Zoe: And that's that's a problem.
[3794.22] AndyRC: Are you continuing to work with them to sort of try work through it?
[3798.22] AndyRC: Or is there something that happened a while ago?
[3800.38] AndyRC: And this happened like a week and a half ago, two weeks ago.
[3803.26] Zoe: Oh, right. Okay.
[3804.22] Zoe: So this is this is fairly recent.
[3806.22] Zoe: And it's not I haven't like it's not like I called off all working relationship with them or anything.
[3810.22] Zoe: It's just like, I told them what the fuck.
[3814.06] UNKNOWN: This is not cool.
[3815.5] Zoe: This is this is the opposite of cool.
[3817.98] Zoe: Did you have all the screws?
[3820.46] Jack: Because the amount of Raggy frames that I've come into contact, but didn't have all the
[3827.1] Jack: comments on that either.
[3828.86] Zoe: Mikey Dred says it's not hard.
[3832.22] Tony: Listen, Mikey Dred says that's what you get for working with cloners.
[3839.1] UNKNOWN: But I'm Dred.
[3840.3] Tony: Right.
[3840.78] Jack: Right.
[3841.58] Tony: Right.
[3842.38] Jack: Right.
[3842.7] Jack: We got we got a wrap up.
[3845.42] AndyRC: That's a shame.
[3846.3] Jack: I know.
[3847.58] Jack: Just getting just getting juicy.
[3849.58] AndyRC: I think the Raggy frames.
[3851.5] AndyRC: I mean, I've heard that one, Jack, and it's like a brick, you know, it will not break.
[3856.86] AndyRC: What's Tony doing?
[3857.98] AndyRC: He's flashing something on the screen.
[3859.58] AndyRC: Look like a magazine.
[3863.82] Tony: Yeah, this is the magazine that I'm in in the UK.
[3869.74] Tony: And it's also all about Frank's MS4.
[3878.38] Tony: Well done, Frank.
[3879.34] Tony: I got my copy as well.
[3880.86] Tony: There's lots of stuff in there.
[3882.38] Tony: Where can you get it from?
[3883.98] Zoe: See the media likes the giant drip.
[3885.9] Zoe: They want more of it.
[3887.9] AndyRC: I subscribed to it.
[3889.1] AndyRC: So you get it like monthly.
[3892.94] AndyRC: But it's in everywhere.
[3894.86] AndyRC: Corner shop.
[3896.14] AndyRC: You're famous, Tony.
[3898.14] AndyRC: Me.
[3901.1] AndyRC: Everywhere.
[3901.5] AndyRC: So strong.
[3902.06] AndyRC: So, yeah, right.
[3904.22] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[3904.54] Jack: And I'll say you're northern.
[3907.1] Jack: Apparently.
[3908.7] Jack: Yeah.
[3909.74] Jack: What is the word?
[3911.74] Jack: Fettled.
[3914.59] AndyRC: Oh, my God.
[3915.55] AndyRC: I don't know.
[3916.27] AndyRC: Is this an urban dictionary word?
[3919.15] Jack: No.
[3920.03] AndyRC: I've never heard of it before.
[3921.39] AndyRC: That's what it says.
[3922.51] AndyRC: It says trim or clean the rough edges of a metal casting or a piece of
[3928.59] Zoe: pottery.
[3928.91] Zoe: They never settled the frames either then because there's a bunch of rough
[3932.43] Zoe: edges on the milling that I was like the fuck.
[3934.43] Zoe: They didn't even take the roughness off of it.
[3936.99] AndyRC: So what's the difference between fettled and chamfered?
[3939.71] AndyRC: Is it the material that it's been fettled or chamfered?
[3942.83] Frank: Fettled is more rough, isn't it?
[3944.35] Frank: A chamfered, very specific.
[3946.19] Zoe: If I chamfered it, I would have been okay, but it was fettled.
[3951.23] Zoe: I'm adding that shit to my dictionary.
[3952.99] Zoe: That was legitimately fettled.
[3954.67] Jack: Chamfer means to put another edge to take an edge off.
[3959.63] Zoe: What you want, you want chamfered edges on your carbon fiber frames.
[3962.83] Zoe: It helps protect the carbon from shipping when you crash and in general makes it a little bit lighter.
[3970.27] AndyRC: Is that a northern term, though, Jack?
[3972.19] AndyRC: Just with like a term term.
[3973.39] Jack: Yeah, it is.
[3974.51] Jack: It's apparently northern.
[3977.07] AndyRC: Shall we have a look?
[3977.79] AndyRC: Oh, right underneath the actual explanation, there's an urban dictionary explanation.
[3983.47] AndyRC: Can I read that one out?
[3986.75] Jack: Zoe's already said the f-word about eight times.
[3988.99] AndyRC: Oh, no, no, no.
[3989.63] AndyRC: It says to modify, alter, change up or touch up something.
[3994.67] Zoe: Wait, did I drop the f-bomb tonight?
[3997.15] Jack: Yeah, it was raggy.
[3998.43] Jack: You went in some sort of raggy f-
[4000.27] Zoe: God damn it.
[4002.35] Zoe: Raggy f-rags.
[4004.51] Jack: You got two hours, though.
[4005.63] Jack: You don't have to be well.
[4006.75] Zoe: Not to drop the f-bomb, but I guess you're like...
[4009.63] Zoe: You said f-bomb.
[4010.43] Zoe: It didn't work.
[4011.63] Jack: Hell of a lot.
[4012.83] Frank: Oh, I thought it was fettle.
[4015.15] AndyRC: No.
[4015.63] AndyRC: It says here to puke from drinking too much.
[4018.51] AndyRC: Other drugs may be involved, but it's strictly alcohol-based.
[4025.39] AndyRC: A fettle, that's like throw up or something.
[4028.51] Jack: There's a funny term where there's mark,
[4032.19] Jack: full phrase, where there's mark, there's brass.
[4037.95] Jack: Which I quite like.
[4039.31] AndyRC: None of these are northern terms.
[4041.47] Jack: Apparently so, on a website called joe.co.uk.
[4046.99] Frank: So you can definitely trust them.
[4050.91] Jack: On this note, do you want to sign us up,
[4072.23] Jack: goodbye.
[4073.67] Jack: Andy RC.
[4075.19] AndyRC: Good night, everyone.
[4077.27] Jack: My little Tony.
[4078.55] Jack: Bonjour.
[4079.91] Jack: Zoe FPV.
[4081.67] Zoe: Hey, everybody.
[4082.23] Zoe: Go check out my channel for quad bashers and watch stuff get blown up in slow motion.
[4089.19] Zoe: Shameless plug.
[4091.75] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[4093.11] Jack: All the links should be in the description below.
[4095.51] Jack: Thank you very much for tuning in, guys.
[4097.35] Jack: Hopefully, see you next week.
[4099.59] Tony: Bye.
[4101.35] Tony: Coming on.