=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 154 ===
Title: grant from Fatshark, Jack & Tony Got fired AndyRc you're hired (For Fatshark
Recorded: 2018-08-09
Hosts: Andy, Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews
Guest(s): Alan, FatShark, Ash "DroningOn" Ha, Grant, FatShark
Total audience: 2,864
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vba-SzUJSHw); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/491905557-letsdroneout-grant-from-fatshark-jack-tony-got-fired-andyrc-youre-hired-for-fatshark.m4a)
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NJ - https://www.youtube.com/user/neiljonesguitar
Andy - https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAndyRC
Frank- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfhaKilBilC3aNwxZJ9u4Rg
CurryKitten- https://www.youtube.com/currykitten
Ash - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYoEOmvbMm0LX6AsIwANvug

[0.0] Alan, FatShark: Let the trees be covered.
[2.0] Alan, FatShark: Let's drone out now.
[11.26] Ash: Yeah!
[19.5] Ash: You guys expressed your mind, Jack.
[21.5] Ash: He's just like, head in heart, head in heart.
[23.5] Andy: Guys, right, have fun. Bye.
[25.5] AndyRC: That was, well that was interesting wasn't it?
[28.5] NJ: Well that's wonderful. What a way to start.
[31.5] NJ: Good evening everyone, I'm NJ Tech and I will be your host tonight on LDO.
[37.5] NJ: Jack has had to fly away because he's meeting Tony and the pair of them are going off on their romantic beach holiday.
[43.5] NJ: With me tonight's contestants are.
[46.5] NJ: We have Curry Kitten.
[48.5] NJ: Hello everybody.
[50.5] NJ: Andy R.C.
[51.5] NJ: Good evening everybody.
[53.5] NJ: We have Ash from Let's Drone Out.
[55.5] NJ: Well he's from Let's Drone Out right now but droning on Ash.
[57.5] NJ: What?
[58.5] Ash: Hello.
[59.5] NJ: We have Grant from Fat Shark.
[61.5] NJ: Peace everyone.
[65.36] NJ: And we have Alan, CEO of Fat Shark.
[68.36] NJ: Hey Alan.
[69.36] NJ: Hello.
[70.36] NJ: Awesome.
[71.36] NJ: So how is everyone doing?
[74.36] AndyRC: Doing good.
[75.36] AndyRC: I'm just trying to get over that amazing rendition of Celine Dion.
[80.36] NJ: It was pretty epic.
[82.36] AndyRC: It brought back memories.
[83.36] AndyRC: And for those that don't know where that comes from, me and Jack were at Weston Park and they were doing the evening light show.
[91.36] AndyRC: And that song came on and something just came over Jack and he just held my hand and just said, what's the quote?
[99.36] AndyRC: Hate me like you've paid those French girls or something.
[102.36] AndyRC: And it was just, it was really special.
[105.36] AndyRC: Thanks.
[106.36] AndyRC: Thanks for that man.
[107.36] NJ: I think we've all had some slightly creepy moments with Jack like that haven't we?
[111.36] NJ: That's why we love him.
[112.36] NJ: That's why we love him.
[114.36] NJ: So there's so much to talk about tonight.
[119.36] NJ: We certainly, one of the things we certainly have to get on to is the subject of this government situation
[128.36] NJ: for the UK and basically trying to get everyone over to see Payne and Stricty's video on the subject over to Simon Dale's channel.
[139.36] NJ: I don't know if we can get someone to post some links in the chat so we can maybe start talking about that.
[146.36] NJ: Now, there is a very, very long survey to fill out.
[151.36] NJ: And at the minute, those numbers are very low from everyone in the UK that we need to get talking about this.
[160.36] NJ: So, Curry Kitten, I know you did a video about this not so long ago, so maybe you can give us a little bit of your opinion.
[168.36] Curry: Yeah, I was just posting the link there in the main chat.
[173.36] Curry: It's a really quite long document.
[175.36] Curry: And I don't know, perhaps these government things try and put you off by making it 97 pages long.
[183.36] Curry: But there is some really crucial stuff in there because it touches on all the actual legal aspects of what the legal things are going to be and how they're going to enforce it more importantly.
[195.36] Curry: There's some really troubling things, especially with their suggestion of the extra police powers they're going to give, which is essentially, oh, it looks like you might have a drone.
[206.36] Curry: We're going to search your car or your house. We're going to make you land your drone. We can confiscate your drone.
[212.36] Curry: We can look for footage where you might have done something that we don't like.
[217.36] Curry: So we can take away your computers and memory cards and all this sort of stuff.
[221.36] NJ: Yeah, it sounded very, very violating a lot of what was being discussed in that survey.
[227.36] Curry: I mean, that's the worst thing. There's a lot of sections on it, and it touches on about age limits for pilots, although it doesn't really have any suggestions.
[235.36] Curry: It just says, well, people can normally only fly a plane when they're this old.
[239.36] Curry: And yet we let modellers fly them at this old, which is like there's a slight disconnect there.
[243.36] Curry: And then things about this was called the Fin system where they're suggesting about having a proper plan about every time you fly a drone.
[252.36] Curry: It's like you should put it in a planning system, possibly some online phone app and say, I'm going to be flying here and I'm going to be going this high and this far.
[260.36] Curry: Trying to do that. Just imagine the logistics of doing that for every battery you do.
[265.36] Curry: And that's just the nightmare. And of course, when the police turn up, they say, show us your plan and this sort of thing.
[271.36] Curry: And then you've got the whole registration thing once again popping up and some details a little bit about that.
[277.36] Curry: It's kind of inferred, really, which is kind of like we'll have each pilot needs to register on the drone offenders register, as we might want to call it.
[288.36] Curry: And then they have to put a little sticky on every single drone, and this will clearly stop any crime.
[295.36] NJ: Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Those that are going to be the bad doers aren't going to very well put their full name address and drone number on the site of whatever they're about to do something bad with.
[308.36] NJ: It's quite a ridiculous thing. Ash, what are your thoughts on this?
[312.36] Ash: I was gagging to speak then. So it's interesting because everyone's going to have a very different perspective on this.
[318.36] Ash: For me, I saw the police powers actually as a positive, not a negative.
[323.36] Ash: The reason is the people like us, who generally are responsible and competent, can't say that without smiling.
[332.36] Ash: Make us believe you. Yeah, okay, sorry. Yeah, seriously. Serious face.
[337.36] Ash: But no, generally, the likes of us, you know, we might push the boundaries a little bit, but we're not doing anything illegal.
[345.36] Ash: And even with these new powers enforced, we wouldn't be doing anything illegal.
[349.36] Ash: The types that will still fly illegally are still going to fly illegally, even when these regulations are implemented a little bit like when they, you know, some kiddie who's 14 steals a car and drives it.
[363.36] Ash: They take his license off him and ban him from driving for 10 years. Well, it's irrelevant. He's still going to drive and you see the same repeat offenders.
[372.36] Ash: So I see the police powers, the way I interpreted them anyway, is that if somebody's committing a crime or suspected of committed a crime which involves, i.e. ferrying drugs into a prison or photographing somebody invading someone's privacy,
[389.36] Ash: the police will have a right to stop and search them, demand that they land their drone, etc.
[394.36] Ash: And I think that's a positive because it's not going to happen to us. And if it does, then they're abusing their powers and you escalate that.
[401.36] Ash: But the reality is that the police are not out to get all of us. They're out to stop crime. So this gives them powers that right now they don't have.
[409.36] NJ: I think the other problem here is the main problem, certainly for us a lot, is that the hobbyists in this feel targeted for the actions of the kind of everyday consumers who are going out and buying the toy grade stuff and maybe doing stupid stuff with it.
[427.36] NJ: And I don't know if there isn't really some responsibility that lays with the vendors, the Maplins of this world, although they've gone, obviously, and the companies responsibly selling to people that obviously have the potential to be irresponsible and are certainly misinformed.
[448.36] NJ: From our group, the people that we're talking about as us as a hobbyist group, I mean, even if you're talking about a plug and fly, I mean, if you're building something, you have to know how these things work, you have to know the intricacies of them, because that's how you get this thing into the air.
[463.36] NJ: And even the RTF stuff, there's still quite a learning curve for someone who's just getting into it. And with that comes a lot of benefits and a lot of knowledge and you can't help but get involved in all of that.
[475.36] NJ: But I feel like the problem is this is putting us all in that group and it feels like the BMFA have also kind of shut the door on us a bit here as well.
[487.36] NJ: So we're in this middle ground where we're kind of being targeted for the actions of either side.
[496.36] NJ: But yeah, it's a really tricky one. And there's just so much gray area in all of this. And I don't feel like the whole thing's a big blurred vision. There's no kind of focus yet as to where this is going to end up.
[511.36] Curry: I think that's, that's, that's the troubling thing is the I mean, I didn't like it anyway about multi relative pilots being separated, segregated to use a stronger word from the other guys.
[522.36] Curry: But it's almost like if you're going to do that, then you might as well split it properly. So okay, let's let's have what's a GPS drone, which is your consumer.
[531.36] Curry: Let's face it, it's the DJI, the DJI bunch of stuff. And the other stuff without a GPS on without an auto type pilot on it is a completely different thing.
[540.36] Curry: It really splits the consumer market to the hobbyist market, which are very different terms of flying.
[545.36] Ash: Agreed. And we've the likes of us have been flying for 25 years planes helicopters and gliders. So, you know, we, you don't hear of any issues in the news over the last 25 years regarding RC.
[558.36] Ash: So it is the drone crowd, like you said, the DJI audience. The other thing I thought was quite interesting was this minimum age limit.
[565.36] Ash: And it does state that this two definitions here and operator, which is the essentially they're terming the owner of the drone, the person who buys it and looks after it.
[576.36] Ash: And then there's the user. So the person who's actually flying it, tell me if I've interpreted that wrong, but I didn't mind that so much until I saw their suggested minimum age of 18.
[587.36] NJ: Yeah, I think that's ridiculous.
[589.36] Ash: Absolutely ridiculous. But I'd like I like the idea of a minimum age. I'm sorry to again agree with one of their city regulations, but I wouldn't want my little boy when he's 12 years old buying a machine wizard, trying to power it up plugging it into
[605.36] Ash: flight and the rotors fire up and chop his face to bits. I want I want some sort of supervision to make sure that a kid can't just go out naively buy something that's going to potentially injure them.
[617.36] NJ: Yeah, I can I sort of agree with that in part. The other thing, though, that for me, that immediately struck struck a thought with me was was remember, for instance, like Luke Bannister, who then went off to Dubai and won the first big drone
[634.36] NJ: drone multirotor Grand Prix out there. You know, what was he 15 when he won that? I mean, in terms of his I mean, he's got into it the right way, had the supervision, had the support, etc, etc. But if that legislation came in that said, for instance, it's 18 to even operate the thing, I mean, with what we're doing in terms of, you know, just cutting away any chance of having young, talented people.
[657.36] NJ: And I mean, this goes back to full size aviation, we've got a real problem in full size aviation, although it's for a different reason, really mainly cost that the aviation general aviation is getting older and older, and there's no young people coming in to replace the that demographic, because it's mainly because it's so expensive to get into.
[676.36] NJ: But you know, it's an age, it's getting older and dying out. And with this could in a different way, you kind of have the same problem. If that sort of stuff goes forward, how do you get young people enthusiastic about it and taking drone technology and moving forwards?
[691.36] AndyRC: Perhaps there needs to be a parental thing, because I can weigh in here, because I've been flying since I was seven, right? And by the time I was 12, I was a BMFA instructor. So, you know, so I taught like, you know, hundreds of people how to fly at the age of 12. So maybe there needs to be something where under parental control.
[713.36] NJ: It needs to be carefully regulated. Definitely.
[715.36] Ash: The definitions operate their definition of operator. Correct me if I'm wrong, I read it quickly today. Operator is the owner of the drone. They're not saying that someone can't fly when they're seven. But what they are saying is someone can't own the drone and be responsible for the drone when they're under 12, sorry, under 18 at the moment in the current proposal.
[735.36] Curry: My interpretation of it, Ash, is it's they're trying to do a legal thing here, because it's more difficult to bring prosecutions against miners so that they could basically say, well, you were responsible for it. Therefore, it was all your fault. But I mean, going back to Luke, I first met Luke when he was 13. And I know he built his first quadcopter at school, using like a carbon cutter, he goes to quite a posh school. And he cut out a carbon himself and started flying it. And it would be a real shame if, you know, if someone had a carbon cutter.
[765.36] Curry: And the school turned around and said, Oh, no, you can't you can't build that here, because someone has to take responsibility for it. So there's, there's, it's a very gray area. But it seems to, I mean, I don't want it from the sort of legal sort of perspective. I mean, when you're sending a child out with something, then you, you hopefully expect that there's going to be some sort of either parental or older person taking some sort of responsibility for them anyway.
[792.36] NJ: But then, why should that be any different than how it's been four decades with planes and helicopters, helicopters being far more dangerous. You know, it's, it's, again, it goes back to that thing of us this kind of new apartheid that seems to be building between us and the
[811.36] Curry: business as usual shouldn't because there's not that many seven year olds about like, Oh, I've got 500 quid burning a hole in my pocket. I must go out and buy a DJI or something or other so I can, you know, drop drugs into prisons or stuff.
[826.36] Ash: Yeah, it's the kind of circumstances are all pushing together the right way. And I think you're right about the responsibility element because yeah, the kid hasn't got 500 quid, but their daddy has their mommy. So it is a way I think you're right. It's a way of saying that seven year old just flew their drone over an airfield. Dad, you're responsible. You're, you're the one going to court about it. I think you're right.
[847.36] NJ: Can I ask Alan, sorry, I just put you into such a heavy topic to start.
[854.36] Alan, FatShark: So what whereabouts you in the world for the benefit of our headquarters are in the Cayman Islands. So I'm there. And obviously, North America is going through very similar sort of considerations right now. So this is really interesting because what you're seeing in the UK is a lot of the same discussions.
[876.36] Alan, FatShark: There's a lot of discussion happening in the US. What there's some some interesting dynamics that are happening over here that maybe match what you're seeing. I don't know, I'd be curious.
[888.36] Alan, FatShark: Hobbyist is split into a few different segments here you have AMA, which is a wonderful organization, but they really are putting their weight in helping form legislation behind like fixed wing and traditional line of sight aircraft.
[902.36] Alan, FatShark: People have been building forever and you sit there and you fly and it's a lot of fun. And then you have definitely the aerial photography GPS platforms, which I think almost everybody in legislation sort of thinks of as hobbyist.
[917.36] Alan, FatShark: Right. Oh, like, okay, great. You have a phantom or you have a mavic or you're a hobbyist or you're a photographer. And then in the US FPV in particular is considered an advanced capability aircraft.
[929.36] Alan, FatShark: Because you can fly it sort of behind the building or you can navigate it really effectively. And so it's actually getting grouped in with the aerial photography drones.
[940.36] Alan, FatShark: In terms of the legislative oversight, but a lot of the consideration there, they're talking about, oh, it needs to transmit its location. It's like, this thing doesn't have a GPS. But from from the perspective of the government agencies has the same capabilities as something with a GPS.
[956.36] Alan, FatShark: Right. You can be flying out of line of sight. You can, you know, you can put a crossfire on something and fly it a real long way, or you can put in significant video signals and get a lot of the same performance that you might get out of a phantom.
[970.36] Alan, FatShark: You know, you can build it so it carries a payload. And what we find really interesting or what I find really interesting in North America is the reason why they're looking at some of this legislation and what their interests are.
[982.36] Alan, FatShark: From the government side is they're really interested in starting to look at advanced sort of commercial drone applications, things like drone delivery with Amazon here or we've got that being tested here too.
[997.36] Alan, FatShark: Right. And so what happens is 20 years ago when people were flying, there was just not a lot in the sky, you know, in turn, and but now there's millions of drones literally going up all the time and they're like, Oh, all right, how do we, how do we allow for these autonomous services?
[1014.36] Alan, FatShark: How do we allow for these enterprises to build and still really create a great chunk of room for all of the hobbyists and all of the education programs and everything else.
[1023.36] Alan, FatShark: And I think where a lot of this legislation is getting hung up and where actually we're trying to help in North America is we're just trying to help people be aware of how many like FPV freestyle pilots there actually are.
[1037.36] Alan, FatShark: Right. It's actually a very large number of people and just the sort of the nature of how those flights are done is just a blind spot to a lot of the awareness of the people writing this legislation.
[1049.36] Alan, FatShark: And we found over here that as we talked to them, we're like, Hey, here's kind of how this works. Here's how these guys go fly. They're like, Oh, yeah, we didn't know that segment existed.
[1059.36] NJ: Yeah, I definitely feel that's that's that gray area absolutely exists here as well. We've got a lot of blind legislation being written by people who are probably getting shouted at in all different directions to put this stuff together.
[1073.36] Alan, FatShark: And just as you say, this is segments like FPV freestyle and all those things. They just it just won't be in the loop of consideration. That's right. And freestyle is the biggest problem in North America because racers, they understand like actually, you know, DRL and some of the other entities have done a really good job of at least creating awareness around racing.
[1094.36] Alan, FatShark: And so a lot of people can be like, Oh, yeah, look, of course, you can go get your your location certified for flight. Great. That can solve a lot of the racing challenges. So the real big gray area in North America. And I think the place where we, you know, there are thoughtful solutions that make sense is in FPV freestyle.
[1115.36] Alan, FatShark: Like for us, that's kind of the, if that gets solved, everything else sort of falls out of it. Because that's sort of the hardest edge case for us. So, but very similar. It sounds like very similar challenges.
[1128.36] Ash: So I run a Mavic group, a specialist DJI Mavic group. It's got 43,000 members in there right now. And it's quite a tool moderating that group. I noticed the Canadian members are very, very quick to tell anybody off that's flying the contrary to the rules because Canada's now really clamped down on drone regulation.
[1154.36] Ash: Whereas the Americas have not your regulations are very loose compared to the regulations that we have in England at the moment, I don't believe you have any sort of congested.
[1165.36] Ash: In England, we're not allowed to fly within 150 meters of a congested area. In other words, anywhere that's residential houses, people, etc.
[1173.36] Ash: We're not allowed to fly within 50 meters of any building structure person vehicle. I don't believe that exists in America. And I on a daily basis, I see guys flying their drones in central New York, probably inspired by the likes of Casey Neister.
[1191.36] Ash: And when you say to them, guys, you shouldn't be doing this, you know, they're immediately guns out, you know, come and challenge me with my drone and I'll shoot you.
[1201.36] Ash: They don't understand. I think I think when America starts to enforce regulations as we we're seeing in England now, they're going to get a real shock because right now they think that they run the place and they'll fly where they want when they want.
[1214.36] Ash: That seems to be the attitude I pick up the American members.
[1218.36] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, so in in the US, the it's been the some regulations can't fly over people can't fly within five miles in the airport are two very well known ones.
[1230.36] Alan, FatShark: But in the US, in particular, the reason why they're interested in this is because they believe that some of the hobbyist exemptions, which a lot of people will claim right or wrong.
[1242.36] Alan, FatShark: I most pilots are still very, very good pilots and well behaved, right? It's always the exceptions that create these sensational events, rather than sort of, I'd say 98% or 99% of everybody.
[1256.36] Grant, FatShark: But yeah, to do with the way that a lot of this legislation came into play, right? So you've got the FAA, you've got a lot of lobbying groups that are kind of pushing back and forth against each other here in the US.
[1266.36] Grant, FatShark: And we had legislation coming in 2012 that regulated a lot of this stuff. And, you know, we're looking at redoing it right now. I mean, you know, as you said, later this year, it's going to tighten up a lot.
[1278.36] Grant, FatShark: But I think because of the fact that we had recent legislation, we just now had a good hard look at drones in the last two or three years, but it'll tighten up.
[1288.36] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, and I think it will be interesting. But I think I agree, actually, that I think a lot of this legislation is a good thing, right? I think being able to empower law enforcement to get a hold of a pilot and say, hey, you probably aren't even aware of this, but you're creating a public safety danger.
[1311.36] Alan, FatShark: Like, do you mind landing or do you mind flying somewhere else, please? You know, you're in a flight path, you're in one of these situations. To me, that represents a piece where if all the pilots comply in some way, shape or form, it's going to open up more airspace for people to fly, because, you know, maybe you're allowed to fly around buildings now.
[1332.36] Alan, FatShark: I think there are positives that are going to come with authorities feeling like they have more control over the negative situations.
[1342.36] NJ: Yeah, I do agree. There does seem to be, I mean, there's the YouTube is rife for things like this, as is the media, obviously. But I have seen a fair few of these videos, which seems to be, you know, where you get pilots going up and flying, and then the police turn up.
[1358.36] NJ: And more often than not, the drone pilot is far more in the knowledge about what he can and can't do, and fully aware that the police, and I've seen that, you know, a lot of this in videos in America, actually, where they know what's going on, and they know what they can and can't do.
[1377.36] NJ: And they're quite happy to quote the rules that are out there, knowing about the gray areas. And in some cases, I kind of feel a bit sorry for the police, because there might be instances where they do, something does need to be done.
[1389.36] NJ: But they haven't got the information. They clearly don't know anything about the subject and how to really deal with it. And it creates these huge, you know, viral videos. And people love a car crash, they love seeing the police in a situation where they don't know what to say.
[1406.36] NJ: And they don't know how to handle the situation. And I guess, from that point of view, it's important that they're brought into the know as much for them as it is for us, especially as hobbyists, from taking care of the people who are doing the bad things.
[1423.36] AndyRC: I know this is completely off subject, guys, but I noticed that I noticed that Casey Neistat had a video where he took a little micro drone and flew it all around, like New York, and they were using fat sharks. Did you guys see that?
[1441.36] Grant, FatShark: Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt.
[1447.36] AndyRC: Yeah, a company called drone works in America. Yeah, I was like, that's fast shark. They're on Casey Neistat.
[1453.36] Grant, FatShark: I talked to him pretty regularly, actually, he actually is very responsive to his email. So anybody could email just like, hey, Casey, let me send you a case of seven up or something. Are you serious? You talk to Casey.
[1464.36] Ash: Casey, I'm on a job.
[1465.36] AndyRC: Yeah, right. And we talked a little bit about FPV. I mean, he's super interested in drones. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you talk to Casey Neistat about FPV. Can you get him on this show?
[1476.36] AndyRC: Well, all of us are about to get a million viewers.
[1481.36] Grant, FatShark: Casey Neistat.com in case you're interested.
[1486.36] Grant, FatShark: You know, he's really interested in drones. He's a really good supporter of it. But he's also 15% liability too, right?
[1493.36] AndyRC: He crashes them all the time.
[1496.36] Grant, FatShark: Right. And I've had long discussions with the guys at DJI about this. Like, you guys must give him drones, right? You give him drones like every week. You just send, you know, containers full of drones.
[1505.36] AndyRC: Well, if they give me drones, they definitely give them to Casey Neistat. I'll tell you that much.
[1510.36] Grant, FatShark: Apparently, they don't, I guess, like, because I think that, you know, take this forever. It's worth because, you know, maybe they're lying to me. But like, you know, because of the fact that he does fly over people and that he does break the rules, sometimes it is seen to DJI as also a liability.
[1524.36] Grant, FatShark: I'm like, they don't want to be seen as fueling something like that.
[1528.36] Grant, FatShark: You know, I've actually talked to Casey a few times about like, you know, interesting ways to work together, but I'm a little bit sensitive to like, I don't want you to crash an FPV drone into a crowd or something.
[1538.36] Grant, FatShark: So I'm a little bit careful about it. But the microphones are a little bit easier. So maybe we'll do something together at some point.
[1544.36] AndyRC: Yeah, man. Yeah, that would be amazing. Like, you know, that would be the biggest like marketing thing for you guys, like getting Casey. It'd be great, actually, to like, get him have a proper go of one, I think.
[1562.46] AndyRC: And didn't he do that in one video? But like, yeah, that'd be insane if we saw Casey doing that.
[1569.46] Curry: You think he could fly because last time you got a new drone, I think he got this big new drone, and he couldn't show you any footage because he put it in the river. And this was like a GPS one, it's in the bottom of the river somewhere.
[1580.46] AndyRC: I think he'd be really interested in it. And if we could get him on board, oh, man, that would, that would skyrocket what we do for sure.
[1587.46] AndyRC: I'm still doing this now we're lying.
[1593.46] Grant, FatShark: Like, is it good or bad if he gets 2 million people to look at FPV footage? Is that going to be like too much attention too fast? Or do you think it's going to be good?
[1600.46] AndyRC: I think I think it's a good thing. Because from what I see, we're in we're in a sort of, I mean, I don't know about you guys, but we seem to be in a downwards, a downward trajectory at the moment when it comes to this.
[1612.46] AndyRC: And I think I've been talking to a lot of local lads and the amount of people that we've seen give up on this hobby, because it's too complicated, it's heartbreaking, actually.
[1626.46] AndyRC: And what we have at the moment is people that have come through the other side, they've got the simulator, they've got all of the knowledge.
[1635.46] AndyRC: And so it's making what we do like really niche, I think. And in order for it to become popular, I think it needs to get a lot easier, a lot more.
[1647.46] AndyRC: I was talking to N.J. about this. You know, we've got these long range systems now such as crossfire. And how cool would it to be like if you've got the full sort of range of flying acro?
[1662.46] AndyRC: But then if it all goes wrong, you flick a switch and it just returns home like a DJI model. I think maybe, I think maybe that's what we're missing.
[1671.46] AndyRC: And if it had that, it would retain a lot of these people that get frustrated with it. And so I think that's the problem we've got at the moment.
[1680.46] NJ: I think Betaflight's just added in the acro trainer as well. I haven't actually read up on that yet.
[1684.46] AndyRC: Yeah, didn't just do a video on it where don't use Horizon and use this instead or something like that.
[1692.46] Grant, FatShark: So what you're talking about is lowering the beard entry in to drywall, right? Like making it easier for new people to get into it.
[1700.46] Grant, FatShark: And I guess the question I have for you is, how many Fat Truck 101 kits did you buy?
[1705.46] Alan, FatShark: Exactly.
[1707.46] AndyRC: I was gonna ask you about that, actually.
[1709.46] AndyRC: It got sold.
[1710.46] AndyRC: Well, yeah, that's that's the question because we already fly. So how many? Yeah, how was it? Was it a successful product?
[1718.46] AndyRC: It kind of reminds me of the whole the old Hobson range because that was probably how everyone got into this.
[1726.46] AndyRC: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1728.46] Alan, FatShark: Interesting feedback on that. We we expected with DRL and DR1 and everything that people were not getting into acro and drone raising because of, you know, super expensive, hard to put everything together.
[1743.46] Alan, FatShark: So Fat Truck 101 is like a 199, you know, headset, radio, simulator integration, instructions, instruction videos, micro quad that you can fly inside outside.
[1753.46] Alan, FatShark: You'd literally the only thing you need to open up to fly to learn to fly acro.
[1759.46] Alan, FatShark: We were really surprised at how low the sales numbers were. And when we started to look into it, we realized that it's not these awareness issues.
[1771.46] Alan, FatShark: It's not people hearing about drone racing. A ton of people have heard about drone racing. They thought it's interesting.
[1777.46] Alan, FatShark: The we had different segments of feedback that were really interesting for the people that wanted to get into drone racing and learn to fly acro. They really liked it.
[1786.46] Alan, FatShark: You don't have the right stick feel. You could learn to fly acro with it really effectively for people who are picking it up as like a first drone.
[1793.46] Alan, FatShark: They hated it because flying obviously a drone with the level of control that you get is also really hard.
[1799.46] Alan, FatShark: Kind of the joke I tell people when they're like, oh, maybe I should get one of those. It's the difference between playing rock band and learning to play the guitar.
[1808.46] Alan, FatShark: There's maybe a little more satisfaction from learning to play the guitar, but you could hit your favorite licks on rock band opening the box.
[1816.46] AndyRC: I don't know, man. I see some of those guys on rock band. I'm like, wow, they're better on rock band than I am at the guitar.
[1824.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, so but I mean sort of the difference is really there and that's it's pretty interesting. And then what we've actually found is that it's the communities that cause new people to come in.
[1838.46] Alan, FatShark: So the two places where you see growth are in places where like if you look at the multi GP chapter level where you have a really active chapter where people help each other out where you kind of go to hang out with your buddies on a Wednesday night to go fly.
[1853.46] Alan, FatShark: So it's the growth really comes almost from these these friend groups. And so, you know, bringing other people in and having these these great community moments almost like a golf league or a bowling league is where the people find the satisfaction to really stay involved.
[1870.46] Alan, FatShark: And then the other place where we're seeing people get interested is in education. So where school groups do it. But again, that's still the same group. There's eight or 10 people. They're excited. They're building.
[1881.46] Alan, FatShark: They'll help each other solder. You know, they'll they'll try out rates. They'll they'll do stuff with each other. And it's we're really surprised at how basically little impact large scale awareness has on the number of people that are racing or flying freestyle versus how much impact on terms of satisfaction.
[1903.46] Alan, FatShark: The local community group that somebody is involved with causes people to come and join the community group or not.
[1910.46] Ash: But if I could be completely blunt, I think the the reason for the fashion 101 not quite being success, you'd hope is the price point.
[1919.46] Ash: When I've just googled it now, if I look locally in the UK, it's two hundred and thirty nine pounds. So about two hundred and sixty dollars.
[1927.46] Ash: I mean, I'm I'm not questioning the quality of it. I'm sure you guys produced it. So it's great. You didn't send me one for review.
[1935.46] AndyRC: But the reality is that this is sounding like you're just a little bit more bitter than anything else.
[1941.46] AndyRC: I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Hang on. Let me just carry on. Sorry.
[1948.46] Ash: You've got the challenge you face is that people Google that and they see two hundred and thirty nine pounds.
[1953.46] Ash: They go into Banggood and they see a 50 quid FPV starter bundle with a goggle set, a quad, a transmitter and everything.
[1961.46] Ash: They need to actually start flying immediately. And that's the challenge you face in the in the in sadly in the hobby today.
[1968.46] AndyRC: But people 240 quid is a lot of money. I also think the market's completely flooded as well, by the way.
[1975.46] AndyRC: I don't think it's so much even even not the price. I think at the moment because I look at trends and things like that.
[1984.46] AndyRC: And everyone will agree that doing my FPV ratio and the trends just going slightly down like that.
[1991.46] AndyRC: And I think we're in a position now where there's more products than actual people people buying.
[1997.46] AndyRC: So, you know, I think that will even out eventually.
[2002.46] Curry: So it does seem to be less community. When I started on my little FPV journey about six years ago, you sort of find a couple of forums and they're really active.
[2010.46] Curry: And as you say, everybody's sort of contributing and there's build friends and people posting problems like I can't get this to work.
[2016.46] Curry: But and it was more about, oh, my God, I've got it in the air. I can't believe it. And there's like a sort of collective whoo.
[2022.46] Curry: And these forums all seems to be dying down, dying off, dying off. And I don't know if that's because I say, Andy, it's very flooded.
[2029.46] Curry: And you don't need to go to forum and get that community spirit to do stuff. You can just buy one and try it.
[2035.46] AndyRC: Well, I'll tell you what I think I'll tell you what I think it is, because I've been I've been hanging around with a lot of local lads.
[2041.46] AndyRC: And, you know, they've been, you know, they'll tell me that they see people.
[2048.46] AndyRC: You get a lot of people that will see the Mr. Steel videos, they'll see the skits or videos and they think, oh, man, you know, they make that look so easy.
[2057.46] AndyRC: I'm going to pile all of my money into that. And they spend like six, seven hundred quid on like a top end thing.
[2064.46] AndyRC: They arm it and it just they just watch it fly away and then they give up.
[2069.46] AndyRC: So so I think in about 2016, 17, we saw this huge what people call hype of people piling money into this hobby,
[2078.46] AndyRC: but then having a bad experience and going, well, I'm not doing that again.
[2084.46] AndyRC: And I think that's where this culture of like going really cheap comes from, like clones and and copies.
[2091.46] AndyRC: I people don't even care that it's a copy because it because it's it's really cheap and it's.
[2098.46] AndyRC: Yes, we're in a difficult spot with the hobby at the moment, I think.
[2102.46] AndyRC: And maybe I think I think we need just just like the fact shot one on one is doing.
[2107.46] AndyRC: Perhaps it just came out at the wrong time, maybe maybe that needed to be there at the start.
[2112.46] AndyRC: But I'm I'm all about promoting a good first experience.
[2117.46] AndyRC: Now, that is my thing because that's all it takes is one bad experience.
[2121.46] AndyRC: But if you if you look at people buying from these cheap shops like Banggood and Gear Best,
[2126.46] AndyRC: they'll they'll buy a component and it just fries and they're like, that's it.
[2130.46] AndyRC: Forget it. And they move on.
[2132.46] AndyRC: And actually, what's interesting is the DJI market is going up.
[2136.46] AndyRC: And I shall tell you this, the DJI market is like is increasing and the race drone is going down.
[2144.46] AndyRC: And I think it's because DJI, you can literally you don't have to have any skill.
[2149.46] AndyRC: You don't have to have any knowledge.
[2152.46] AndyRC: You can walk into a shop with buy it and just fly it and get a good experience.
[2156.46] AndyRC: And I think perhaps when it comes to the race drone world, we need a bit more of that.
[2160.46] AndyRC: We need maybe GPS safety switch.
[2164.46] NJ: Do you know what? I think I think generally speaking, these people, these group of people having their bad experience and disappearing.
[2170.46] NJ: Now, I started flying RC when I was about eight years old and I quickly got into helicopters because I'm stupid.
[2177.46] NJ: And you will not find anyone more thick skinned than a RC helicopter.
[2185.46] NJ: Because when you crash, you are crashing at least at least 200 pounds worth, maybe more.
[2191.46] NJ: All it takes is a bad landing, isn't it? What linkage to go and that's like pretty hard.
[2197.46] NJ: Single points of failure on a helicopter, there are many.
[2200.46] NJ: And at that point, you've got to put your tail between your legs, make that walk of shame in front of everyone.
[2204.46] NJ: Pick up your pile of carbon, go home, spend the money, build it again.
[2208.46] NJ: I did that for 10 years plus, you know, so when it comes to...
[2211.46] NJ: He's building the bloody thing.
[2213.46] NJ: There's nothing a drone can do that can upset me on that front.
[2216.46] Curry: I think that's the instant gratification. So back five, six years ago, all the hobbyists and, you know,
[2221.46] Curry: we were used to things crashing, rebuilding and doing stuff.
[2224.46] Curry: Then, as Andy and I have said, you know, the hype train caught up and everybody was like,
[2228.46] Curry: oh, look at these race trains, they're amazing. Let's get them.
[2231.46] Curry: Oh, it crashed. That's really disappointing.
[2233.46] Curry: And then there's the move to the phantom types and they go up, race trains go down.
[2239.46] Curry: I don't know where the equilibrium is. I don't know.
[2242.46] AndyRC: I think me and Andrew were talking about this the other day.
[2246.46] AndyRC: If we can get tiny GPS units on these copters, you know, we've got crossfire.
[2251.46] AndyRC: Crossfire is kind of funny because it works amazing.
[2254.46] AndyRC: But then when it dies out, when you're like a mile away or whatever, you've got no return to home.
[2259.46] AndyRC: And perhaps we need things like that to get small.
[2262.46] AndyRC: I think if that comes in, we will get more people's interest because, for example, like Wayne,
[2269.46] AndyRC: these little tiny buzzers that are out at the moment,
[2272.46] AndyRC: I cannot believe how popular the videos are about these little tiny buzzers that cost like $10 or $25.
[2281.46] AndyRC: They're getting thousands of views because it's like people are just want, don't want that.
[2287.46] NJ: It's an interesting investment, basically, isn't it?
[2289.46] NJ: Yeah.
[2290.46] NJ: So we're talking specifically about these, it's a fly-by or vy-fly, vy-fly, that's it.
[2296.46] NJ: There's a hell gate and they're all basically a buzzer with a live bow.
[2299.46] NJ: Ground disconnects when the battery flies out.
[2302.46] AndyRC: Why haven't I got one of those?
[2306.46] AndyRC: Actually, do you know what, do you know what, they offered to send me one
[2312.46] AndyRC: and I said I got the full speed one.
[2314.46] AndyRC: And the full speed one doesn't work right.
[2317.46] Ash: Oh, no.
[2319.46] Curry: Well, that's not so bad because I thought Andy's stolen my thing.
[2322.46] Curry: He's taken my papers.
[2325.46] Curry: No, man, I could not take that away from you, Wayne.
[2328.46] Curry: But I've got the unknown one.
[2330.46] Curry: This is the Russian tea beacon.
[2332.46] AndyRC: I saw your post on that.
[2335.46] NJ: Wonderful.
[2337.46] NJ: While we have the chance, obviously, we've got two very special guests here.
[2342.46] NJ: So Grant and Alan, please, tell us, have we got any fat shark views?
[2347.46] NJ: Have you got anything to wear?
[2349.46] AndyRC: Is there anything that otherwise we would have to sign an ND80?
[2353.46] AndyRC: No one watches this.
[2356.46] AndyRC: So if you can tell us whether we've got some new OLED 75 degree field of view,
[2363.46] AndyRC: 1080p DVR coming out then.
[2366.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, it's $20 to retail.
[2368.46] Alan, FatShark: $20.
[2369.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, no, you nailed it.
[2371.46] Alan, FatShark: It was going to be a surprise.
[2374.46] Grant, FatShark: I have.
[2375.46] Grant, FatShark: Grant?
[2376.46] Grant, FatShark: There's something small that I can share actually from the stateside here
[2379.46] Grant, FatShark: for anybody who's in the United States.
[2381.46] Grant, FatShark: As you guys know, we're in a bit of a trade war with everybody right now.
[2385.46] Grant, FatShark: And it turns out, I'm so sorry, by the way.
[2390.46] Grant, FatShark: It turns out.
[2391.46] Grant, FatShark: Well, it really is.
[2394.46] Grant, FatShark: How many sites do I get if we've been ready-made?
[2396.46] Grant, FatShark: Everybody's putting taxes on everything that they sell now.
[2399.46] Grant, FatShark: So prices are going up 2.9%, et cetera, like some of these favorite sites.
[2403.46] Grant, FatShark: And I'm happy to report that none of the fat shark goggles have tariffs on them.
[2407.46] Grant, FatShark: So you will not have to pay an extra 25% on goggles from them.
[2411.46] Grant, FatShark: Good.
[2412.46] AndyRC: That is good.
[2413.46] AndyRC: Yeah, I mean, for me, like ordering anything abroad, whether it's China or America,
[2419.46] AndyRC: I get like taxed every single time.
[2422.46] AndyRC: Sometimes, you know, $30 worth of tax it's getting.
[2426.46] AndyRC: Yeah, it's making it difficult.
[2428.46] Grant, FatShark: Where do you guys order most of your stuff from?
[2431.46] Grant, FatShark: Like if you guys had to go to like your top two sites,
[2433.46] Grant, FatShark: would it be Banggood and somewhere else?
[2435.46] AndyRC: For me, it would be Banggood, Hobbyking, Get FPV, Pyrodrone for me.
[2441.46] AndyRC: What about everyone else?
[2443.46] AndyRC: Oh, Hobby RC in the UK.
[2445.46] AndyRC: Yeah, Hobby RC is great.
[2446.46] AndyRC: I love that.
[2447.46] NJ: And T9, Hobby Sport also.
[2450.46] NJ: Great UK supplier.
[2451.46] AndyRC: Quadcopters UK.
[2453.46] AndyRC: Yeah.
[2454.46] AndyRC: And sometimes Fast Lad.
[2457.46] NJ: Yeah, that's where Tom Smith works for anyone that wasn't in the know Tom Smith.
[2461.46] AndyRC: Tom, we want you on the podcast.
[2463.46] AndyRC: We do.
[2465.46] AndyRC: Apparently, he's quite, apparently he's quite shy, which I don't believe.
[2469.46] AndyRC: Yeah.
[2470.46] Grant, FatShark: Sorry, Graeme.
[2471.46] Grant, FatShark: What were you saying?
[2472.46] Grant, FatShark: You guys don't mind getting shipping from the United States from like Florida or anything?
[2476.46] AndyRC: I don't know from the US personally.
[2479.46] AndyRC: I think the US has the worst taxes when it comes to import.
[2483.46] AndyRC: Yeah.
[2484.46] Ash: I actually ordered my Fat Shark SEs from Hobbyking and I got charged,
[2489.46] Ash: I think it was about 80 pounds tax when it arrived.
[2494.46] Ash: That's crazy.
[2495.46] Ash: Ever ordering from them.
[2497.46] Ash: This is before that EU warehouse, but I've never ordered from them again.
[2501.46] Ash: Good.
[2502.46] Ash: The Fat Shark SEs were worth every penny, after that disclaimer.
[2506.46] Curry: Hobbyking used to have this brilliant, I don't know how they ever got away with it
[2510.46] Curry: because they literally say, okay, you've gone to packaging,
[2514.46] Curry: what do you want us to write for your customer's detail?
[2517.46] Curry: What would you like to write it in?
[2518.46] Curry: You could tick a box and say, yeah.
[2519.46] Curry: You're getting a huge plane like this big and it just has $5 toy parts on it.
[2524.46] Curry: The customs got a little bit suspicious about that.
[2527.46] Curry: It's like, well, this looks like a bit more expensive, all this stuff in it.
[2530.46] AndyRC: Do you think that's political, like Brexit and everything?
[2535.46] AndyRC: Or do you think it's just them cutting it on to what's happening?
[2538.46] AndyRC: Because, yeah, I've received huge packages and then just the declaration is like,
[2545.46] AndyRC: oh, toy parts or something like that.
[2549.46] Andy: Gift is the best one.
[2552.46] NJ: Andy, I think your face is probably up on the wall in the post office customs building.
[2557.46] NJ: It definitely is.
[2559.46] NJ: Just a quick tip regarding that.
[2561.46] Ash: If you ever receive anything and you've got to pay a customer's fee,
[2564.46] Ash: if you see on the invoice it says admin charge or clearance fee,
[2568.46] Ash: there's a template, you can just Google it, email them this template
[2571.46] Ash: and they remove that clearance or admin fee immediately.
[2575.46] Ash: They're not legally allowed to do it.
[2577.46] Ash: Is that right?
[2578.46] NJ: Is that the same as the handling fee?
[2580.46] NJ: Exactly.
[2582.46] NJ: I've seen it before, I've seen it before where I've had stuff
[2585.46] NJ: and the actual customs has been like £2 or something
[2589.46] NJ: and then it said £8 or even £11 handling fee.
[2592.46] NJ: I think it was UPS that did it.
[2594.46] NJ: And I thought that is super cheeky.
[2596.46] NJ: I mean, this is definitely a scam if ever I've seen one.
[2599.46] Curry: There's some barriers that will not even deliver it until you've paid it
[2603.46] Curry: and that you can't even get into a discussion about it
[2605.46] Curry: because I've seen the same legal arguments about
[2608.46] Curry: you've been contracted to deliver it.
[2610.46] Curry: It's up to me if I'm going to pay HMRC or not
[2613.46] Curry: but if you can't get your package in the first place,
[2616.46] Curry: then you can't do anything about it.
[2618.46] NJ: Just while we're here, can I show you?
[2620.46] NJ: This is the last thing I ordered.
[2622.46] NJ: I think this was the last thing I got from the States actually
[2624.46] NJ: and this was from Get FPV.
[2626.46] NJ: These are my V1 Fat Shark Attitudes
[2630.46] NJ: and these I've actually, these I had to,
[2633.46] NJ: when this finally came out, the faceplate,
[2635.46] NJ: I just basically stickied it on
[2637.46] NJ: because the fogging was driving me mad.
[2639.46] NJ: But look how tired and old these are
[2641.46] NJ: and these still work.
[2642.46] NJ: I've had these apart so many times
[2644.46] NJ: but these are the V1 Attitudes.
[2646.46] NJ: These are private plates.
[2647.46] NJ: I will never sell these.
[2648.46] NJ: My first ever Googles.
[2650.46] NJ: That's quiet.
[2651.46] Grant, FatShark: Alan, do you have anything to add
[2653.46] Grant, FatShark: in terms of things coming up from Fat Shark?
[2656.46] Alan, FatShark: Well, I mean some small things.
[2658.46] Alan, FatShark: Obviously, for everybody who's into the HD2s,
[2662.46] Alan, FatShark: the T2 campaign, the Terminator 2 campaign was funded.
[2665.46] Alan, FatShark: So those are in the process of production
[2668.46] Alan, FatShark: and we'll get them out to everybody who backed them.
[2670.46] Alan, FatShark: So that's pretty exciting.
[2672.46] Alan, FatShark: We had a lot of feedback on people wanting HD2s
[2675.46] Alan, FatShark: because they'll see it.
[2677.46] AndyRC: When you say, sorry to interrupt,
[2678.46] AndyRC: when you say backed, this was a crowdfunding thing, was it?
[2682.46] AndyRC: What was the story behind that?
[2684.46] AndyRC: I know when the HDOs came out, there was a flooding,
[2687.46] AndyRC: which I didn't agree with,
[2690.46] AndyRC: oh, the field of view isn't too...
[2692.46] AndyRC: So is this a response to those things?
[2695.46] AndyRC: Crowd5.
[2696.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah.
[2697.46] Alan, FatShark: So we take all that feedback, we pay attention to it.
[2701.46] Alan, FatShark: Obviously, we try to listen to everybody
[2703.46] Alan, FatShark: even though we're a small company
[2705.46] Alan, FatShark: and evolve our products to match
[2707.46] Alan, FatShark: what people want and want to fly.
[2709.46] Alan, FatShark: And a lot of people had mentioned,
[2711.46] Alan, FatShark: hey, let's go get us the headset from before.
[2715.46] Alan, FatShark: We can't get it.
[2717.46] Alan, FatShark: And obviously, for us to do a production run
[2721.46] Alan, FatShark: and not just bleed money,
[2724.46] Alan, FatShark: we have to do a minimum order of 500 units.
[2727.46] AndyRC: That's for the panels, I take it.
[2730.46] AndyRC: You have to have a minimum order of the panels, right?
[2733.46] Alan, FatShark: Well, and we got to shoot the plastics
[2735.46] Alan, FatShark: and all sorts of stuff.
[2737.46] Alan, FatShark: And we don't make money at 500 or anything.
[2741.46] Alan, FatShark: But if you're less than 500, you lose a ton of money.
[2745.46] Alan, FatShark: Right.
[2746.46] Alan, FatShark: So we really thought, okay, we can do something cool here.
[2749.46] Alan, FatShark: We can put it out there and see if there's interest.
[2752.46] Alan, FatShark: And if there's enough interest so that we don't lose
[2755.46] Alan, FatShark: hundreds of thousands of dollars making these,
[2758.46] Alan, FatShark: then we're happy to do a production run on them.
[2761.46] Alan, FatShark: And so just in response to the community,
[2763.46] Alan, FatShark: we got that feedback.
[2764.46] Alan, FatShark: We're obviously doing a one-time run,
[2766.46] Alan, FatShark: but it was exciting that sort of we all decided
[2769.46] Alan, FatShark: to put in the extra work and say,
[2771.46] Alan, FatShark: all right, if this exists, great.
[2773.46] Alan, FatShark: Now, we did that via crowdfunding,
[2777.46] Alan, FatShark: which is super unusual for us,
[2779.46] Alan, FatShark: and we're not trying to do a direct model or anything,
[2781.46] Alan, FatShark: but we just didn't want anybody left holding three or 400 pieces
[2786.46] Alan, FatShark: of, you know, T2 stock
[2789.46] Alan, FatShark: and just having to sit in a warehouse and not get used.
[2791.46] Alan, FatShark: So that was why we chose to do something a little different there.
[2794.46] Alan, FatShark: But it's exciting for everybody who backed that
[2797.46] Alan, FatShark: or who was interested in that product.
[2799.46] Alan, FatShark: Those are moving along pretty well right now
[2801.46] Alan, FatShark: in terms of production.
[2802.46] Alan, FatShark: We're excited to be able to get them to customers who wanted them.
[2805.46] Alan, FatShark: I think it's a real shame.
[2806.46] Ash: I knew nothing about that.
[2808.46] Ash: Well, I blame Grant for that.
[2810.46] Alan, FatShark: You got to yell at him.
[2811.46] Alan, FatShark: He was in charge of...
[2812.46] AndyRC: I'll tell you what, actually, it's all over Facebook.
[2816.46] AndyRC: Really?
[2817.46] AndyRC: So I'm going to fracture a bit under a rock a bit there,
[2820.46] AndyRC: but I knew about it.
[2823.46] AndyRC: I knew about it.
[2824.46] Ash: It's the first time I've seen that.
[2825.46] Ash: Indiegogo, yeah?
[2826.46] Ash: That's the first time I've seen that crowdfunding project on there.
[2830.46] Grant, FatShark: So there are a few extra...
[2831.46] Grant, FatShark: I think a couple of random retailers purchased some.
[2833.46] Grant, FatShark: So if anybody wants to buy some on the back end.
[2836.46] Grant, FatShark: I think in the UK, hobbyrc.co.uk has 20 of them.
[2842.46] Grant, FatShark: So I don't know if they've posted a pre-order page or not,
[2847.46] Grant, FatShark: but if anybody wants to grab those in the UK,
[2850.46] Grant, FatShark: they should be there probably five, six weeks.
[2853.46] Grant, FatShark: And then get FPBS some and ready-made RCF some.
[2856.46] Curry: So there's a comment there in the chat from Mikey Dred that said,
[2860.46] Curry: why Terminator?
[2861.46] Curry: Why not Dora the Explorer?
[2862.46] Curry: You've chosen a very T2, a very sort of...
[2866.46] Alan, FatShark: Well, it absolutely started as like an I'll be back kind of throwback to...
[2876.46] Alan, FatShark: So Greg up until the HDOs would have always said that was his favorite goggle
[2881.46] Alan, FatShark: because he likes to have the experience of flight.
[2884.46] Alan, FatShark: So the whole naming started as a throwback from, you know,
[2889.46] Alan, FatShark: a famous Schwarzenegger quote, and that's kind of how we got there.
[2892.46] Alan, FatShark: Nice.
[2893.46] Alan, FatShark: So...
[2894.46] Ash: I love the FOV of the SEs and I've just upgraded to the HD3s
[2898.46] Ash: and although it's a step down in FOV, it's perfect.
[2902.46] Ash: I love them.
[2903.46] NJ: Yeah, that's my main goggle too, the HD3s with the Trudy 3.7.
[2907.46] NJ: I've been super happy with it.
[2909.46] NJ: It all works great.
[2910.46] Ash: In fact, there's a question for Fat Shot talking about the modules.
[2914.46] Ash: So I've just got a dock king from Furious FPV.
[2919.46] Ash: Careful how I say that.
[2920.46] Ash: And...
[2921.46] AndyRC: Just say docking, I believe.
[2923.46] AndyRC: I believe it's like a Chinese finger locks.
[2928.46] NJ: We did so well.
[2929.46] NJ: We did so well this episode.
[2931.46] AndyRC: It's to do with the air games, vacuums or something.
[2935.46] Ash: Anyway, the pins, the connection.
[2938.46] Ash: I've got to be Jack.
[2939.46] Ash: I've got to be Jack.
[2941.46] NJ: Yeah, I've just seen Jack laugh in the comments.
[2944.46] NJ: That's just making sense.
[2945.46] NJ: I think there was some smut in the episode.
[2949.46] Ash: The connection, that connection style, is that a fat shark invention?
[2955.46] Ash: Because no matter how hard I try with the Trudy modules,
[2959.46] Ash: I manage to bend a pin every time I remove those modules.
[2964.46] UNKNOWN: So...
[2965.46] Alan, FatShark: Is that just me?
[2968.46] Alan, FatShark: You're talking about the eight pin black connector in the modular bay.
[2971.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, exactly.
[2972.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, so that was definitely when Fat Shark did the first modular bay,
[2977.46] Alan, FatShark: when Greg instituted it years ago.
[2979.46] Alan, FatShark: That was a great connector to use for it.
[2981.46] Alan, FatShark: And now it still works really effectively, making electrical connections.
[2986.46] Alan, FatShark: The challenge, again, when we look at doing anything new in a headset,
[2990.46] Alan, FatShark: and that is one of the things we regularly look at,
[2993.46] Alan, FatShark: if we change it out, all of your receivers no longer work.
[2997.46] Alan, FatShark: So imagine we released an HDO2 with a new USB connector,
[3001.46] Alan, FatShark: and I'm making stuff up.
[3003.46] Alan, FatShark: How furious would the entire community be
[3006.46] Alan, FatShark: that all of their current receivers don't work?
[3009.46] Ash: I'm not so sure, because goggles are a year investment, two year investment.
[3014.46] Ash: And the furious D module is only 50, 60 quid, I think.
[3018.46] Ash: I wouldn't be overly put out if I had to buy a new module
[3022.46] Ash: when I was investing 400 pounds on a new set of goggles, to be honest.
[3026.46] Alan, FatShark: We will definitely take that into consideration then.
[3029.46] Alan, FatShark: One of our big debates is always, well, what do we do here?
[3036.46] Alan, FatShark: Just again, it was a great standard,
[3039.46] Alan, FatShark: and then everybody develops and buys all these components that work for it.
[3043.46] Alan, FatShark: And so in some ways, we're held to some of the legacy decisions
[3047.46] Alan, FatShark: that were made for a lot longer than maybe you would be
[3049.46] Alan, FatShark: if you were a brand new company.
[3051.46] NJ: So this is turning into an Apple kind of discussion here
[3055.46] NJ: about them losing headphone jacks and moving to lightning connectors.
[3059.46] NJ: Yeah, right.
[3060.46] NJ: And how angry was everybody about no headphones?
[3063.46] Curry: It's like the latest, oh, yeah, we've upgraded the laptop.
[3067.46] Curry: And now all your legacy USB devices won't work
[3069.46] Curry: unless you buy this extra adapter.
[3071.46] Curry: But it's not like Apple, they've just gone to a $1 trillion company now
[3075.46] Curry: or something ridiculous.
[3077.46] NJ: They have.
[3078.46] NJ: You know what?
[3079.46] NJ: I mean, with that, I know with danger of going off topic here,
[3082.46] NJ: but Apple, there's a certain group of people that rely on Apple
[3087.46] NJ: and have done for years, and that's content creators,
[3089.46] NJ: certainly musicians in terms of what we use.
[3092.46] NJ: And when you turn around someone like musicians
[3095.46] NJ: who do all the music production primarily,
[3097.46] NJ: overwhelmingly so, on Apple computers and say,
[3100.46] NJ: by the way, we started removing the headphone jacks on a bunch of stuff,
[3103.46] NJ: or you can buy some beats if you want,
[3106.46] NJ: you know, when they've got, you know, even stuff like this,
[3109.46] NJ: you know, real expensive headphones that are,
[3111.46] NJ: they're only going to come with a jack.
[3113.46] NJ: You know, you're in danger of losing focus, shall we say.
[3117.46] NJ: So, yeah, I'm sure the business model is working,
[3121.46] NJ: but there has to be some thought about your core audience, I think.
[3125.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, and for us, like, we're actually really sensitive
[3128.46] Alan, FatShark: to the fact that this hobby is expensive,
[3132.46] Alan, FatShark: and stuff crashes and breaks, and you're replacing it all the time,
[3135.46] Alan, FatShark: and, you know, one of the things we try to be really cognizant about is,
[3139.46] Alan, FatShark: hey, if we're going to launch something new,
[3141.46] Alan, FatShark: we don't want you to have to go buy another $200 worth of gear, right?
[3145.46] Alan, FatShark: Like, you probably should work with everything you already have,
[3148.46] Alan, FatShark: but, you know, we really, we understand
[3151.46] Alan, FatShark: headsets are already a really expensive component,
[3154.46] Alan, FatShark: and it would be, I mean, we don't want to turn 2019
[3157.46] Alan, FatShark: into the year Fat Shark makes profit off dongles.
[3161.46] Alan, FatShark: That might look good on the books,
[3164.46] Alan, FatShark: but it's a pretty terrible way to go forward to be like,
[3168.46] Alan, FatShark: well, 80% of our revenue came from our receiver dongle.
[3172.46] Alan, FatShark: That was tricky.
[3173.46] Alan, FatShark: So we'll try to avoid that.
[3176.46] Ash: That's fun.
[3177.46] NJ: Wonderful.
[3178.46] NJ: So I think we're almost approaching the hour.
[3180.46] NJ: If anyone in the comments wants to drop any questions in for Alan and Grant,
[3186.46] NJ: now's the time to do it before we wrap things up.
[3189.46] AndyRC: I just have a question for you guys, because, you know,
[3193.46] AndyRC: obviously you guys are all the main leaders with FPV goggles.
[3198.46] AndyRC: I just wonder if you guys ever check out products from other manufacturers.
[3205.46] AndyRC: Like, like recently, I checked out the IOM Way V2,
[3211.46] AndyRC: and they've got some incredible features.
[3214.46] AndyRC: I always wonder if you ever get them in to compare them against your products.
[3219.46] Grant, FatShark: Oh, hey, funny story.
[3221.46] Grant, FatShark: Did you guys know that the guy who started IOM Way used to work for Fat Shark?
[3226.46] Grant, FatShark: No way.
[3227.46] Grant, FatShark: No way.
[3228.46] Grant, FatShark: Oh, this is a bum shot.
[3230.46] Grant, FatShark: You heard it.
[3231.46] Grant, FatShark: I'll let you marinate on that for a little while.
[3235.46] Grant, FatShark: Tell us the story.
[3236.46] Grant, FatShark: Tell us the story.
[3237.46] Grant, FatShark: I'm going to say, yeah, of course.
[3239.46] Grant, FatShark: I mean, we would be doing, we would, we would,
[3242.46] Grant, FatShark: it's important that we do our diligence and make sure that, you know,
[3244.46] Grant, FatShark: we're on top of the state of the art.
[3246.46] Grant, FatShark: And so we have every single pair of goggles.
[3249.46] Grant, FatShark: We have Oculus rifts.
[3251.46] Grant, FatShark: We have HTC vibes.
[3252.46] Grant, FatShark: We have, you know, all sorts of stuff in the office just because we want to
[3255.46] Grant, FatShark: know what's going on with the industry in terms of display technology,
[3258.46] Grant, FatShark: OLED, DLP, et cetera.
[3260.46] Grant, FatShark: And we don't know what people are responding to too.
[3263.46] Grant, FatShark: So, you know, Greg is always on RC groups just hanging out and trolling
[3268.46] Grant, FatShark: and talking and like listening to people.
[3270.46] Grant, FatShark: And he's very sensitive to what's going on in the industry.
[3273.46] Grant, FatShark: So is Alan.
[3274.46] Grant, FatShark: And I would say it's safe to say that we have every single set of goggles
[3278.46] Grant, FatShark: on the market in stock somewhere around here.
[3281.46] Curry: Do you feel that sort of imitation is this in a serious form of flattery
[3285.46] Curry: with these goggles?
[3286.46] Curry: Because I was just doing a piece about dietary inserts and different ones
[3289.46] Curry: you can get.
[3290.46] Curry: And of course, if you get them for Fat Shark,
[3292.46] Curry: they will fit every other sort of goggle going because did everybody else
[3296.46] Curry: just pick a pair of Fat Sharks?
[3297.46] Curry: Say, oh, yeah, that's a little handy slot.
[3299.46] Curry: We'll just all put those in as well.
[3300.46] Curry: And again, with the receivers, the bays become kind of standard, doesn't it,
[3304.46] Curry: where you can fit into many other goggles?
[3307.46] Curry: If so, we get that.
[3310.46] Grant, FatShark: I mean, that's the kind of reason that Banggood exists, doesn't it?
[3314.46] Alan, FatShark: Pretty much.
[3316.46] Alan, FatShark: This is a very interesting, like, I think much larger conversation.
[3321.46] Alan, FatShark: But basically, from a purchasing perspective in the hobby,
[3325.46] Alan, FatShark: obviously, we regularly invest in engineering and in new features
[3329.46] Alan, FatShark: and trying to do new things.
[3330.46] Alan, FatShark: And some of those, and I've talked about this before,
[3332.46] Alan, FatShark: we end up not shipping because it doesn't meet our standard.
[3337.46] Alan, FatShark: It's much easier to be inspired by somebody else's innovations
[3343.46] Alan, FatShark: and put them into your own product.
[3346.46] Alan, FatShark: It costs much less, just much less.
[3348.46] Alan, FatShark: And so you get a lot of people that are then price-competitive
[3351.46] Alan, FatShark: with some of these features.
[3354.46] Alan, FatShark: So, generally, as a consumer, obviously, everybody always wants the best deal,
[3360.46] Alan, FatShark: but sometimes the best deal short-term isn't the best deal long-term.
[3363.46] Alan, FatShark: And I think that's always the trade-off to make.
[3366.46] Ash: I thought the Onway's were really impressive for the price of them.
[3369.46] AndyRC: What's the story about the Onway guy, though?
[3372.46] AndyRC: I want to get into him.
[3374.46] AndyRC: He worked for Batsharken, moved on,
[3377.46] AndyRC: because what I get from Onway is, like, when I loop through them,
[3380.46] AndyRC: because I got the V2s recently,
[3382.46] AndyRC: and I loop through them, and they loop like a fat shark,
[3385.46] AndyRC: so why is that?
[3388.46] Grant, FatShark: I think this is like an entirely different episode.
[3391.46] NJ: Yeah, I think, basically, Grant just came in
[3395.46] NJ: and dropped the mic right at the end there,
[3397.46] NJ: and, yeah, that's going to be the whole thing.
[3400.46] NJ: We have got one question from Bill MRC.
[3405.46] NJ: Hey, Bill. Good to have you in the chat.
[3407.46] NJ: I have a question.
[3408.46] NJ: What do you think about the concept of the VTX Viper new release?
[3413.46] Alan, FatShark: So that's really interesting.
[3415.46] Alan, FatShark: The Viper is one of the goggles that we look at,
[3417.46] Alan, FatShark: and we see the success, and they did a really good job with that headset.
[3422.46] Alan, FatShark: A lot of it matches what we did with the Recon,
[3426.46] Alan, FatShark: so in terms of some of the optical architecture,
[3429.46] Alan, FatShark: and we were originally hoping to have something similar to what,
[3435.46] Alan, FatShark: in terms of performance, to what they did in this time period.
[3438.46] Alan, FatShark: So that is, I think the Viper did a good job.
[3442.46] Alan, FatShark: I think there are elements there that obviously could continue to use work,
[3447.46] Alan, FatShark: but from our perspective, we don't call them box goggles.
[3451.46] Alan, FatShark: They are panel goggles.
[3453.46] Alan, FatShark: Whenever you do some more interesting optics, but with a single panel.
[3456.46] Alan, FatShark: And we personally believe, and you can see this in the Recon,
[3460.46] Alan, FatShark: that for entry-level FPV pilots,
[3464.46] Alan, FatShark: that panel goggles are really starting to create an interesting opportunity
[3468.46] Alan, FatShark: to have a lower-cost first experience.
[3472.46] Alan, FatShark: And so I think they executed on a panel goggle pretty well.
[3476.46] Alan, FatShark: It is a place that we're continuing to put a lot of resources,
[3479.46] Alan, FatShark: and you saw the transformer from us first,
[3482.46] Alan, FatShark: then you saw the Recon, and so obviously we're continuing to look at
[3486.46] Alan, FatShark: and try to improve those offerings.
[3488.46] Alan, FatShark: Again, from ours, for more of an entry-level headset
[3492.46] Alan, FatShark: that people can really get behind.
[3494.46] NJ: Yeah, there's definitely a market for that,
[3496.46] NJ: and I still know a lot of pilots that just prefer the panel setup,
[3501.46] NJ: and I do feel that's something that perhaps a lot of other companies
[3507.46] NJ: are still sort of ignoring, or they're not seeing just how big that market is.
[3512.46] NJ: Yeah, I still see plenty of people with that type of headset for sure.
[3517.46] Ash: They're so cheap as well.
[3519.46] NJ: Yeah, absolutely.
[3520.46] NJ: I see a lot of people on the old EV800Ds,
[3523.46] NJ: those are obviously an old E-Sheen model,
[3526.46] NJ: but there's still people that have moved away from them,
[3529.46] NJ: and there's not loads and loads of alternatives like they are
[3532.46] NJ: in the main patch chuckles that many of us fly.
[3535.46] AndyRC: I don't know if this is an exclusive,
[3538.46] AndyRC: but you're talking about the Vipers, right?
[3542.46] NJ: Yeah.
[3543.46] AndyRC: There's a V2 coming out next week.
[3545.46] AndyRC: I don't know if I should say that,
[3548.46] AndyRC: but whatever.
[3552.46] Alan, FatShark: Don't worry, we'll buy them.
[3554.46] Alan, FatShark: I mean, we obviously buy all those and do it, but...
[3557.46] AndyRC: What's great about the Vipers is that for glasses wearers,
[3560.46] AndyRC: because obviously me, Speccy, that's why I like them.
[3565.46] Alan, FatShark: So we are also very actively looking at that.
[3568.46] Alan, FatShark: Before I had laser eye surgery, I was negative eight diopters
[3572.46] Alan, FatShark: with a diopter of astigmatism in both eyes.
[3574.46] Alan, FatShark: Oh, wow.
[3575.46] AndyRC: So even fat shots couldn't work for you.
[3578.46] AndyRC: No, exactly.
[3579.46] Alan, FatShark: Exactly.
[3580.46] Alan, FatShark: So if you look, I was the founder of Avagon,
[3582.46] Alan, FatShark: and that's a big part of why we cared so much about putting
[3584.46] Alan, FatShark: diopter adjustment in there.
[3585.46] Alan, FatShark: So I really think panel goggles and Viper does a good job of this.
[3590.46] Alan, FatShark: And again, obviously, it's a segment we're working in,
[3593.46] Alan, FatShark: so it's not like suddenly we're surprised by it or anything.
[3596.46] AndyRC: Do you see fat sharks?
[3599.46] AndyRC: Because right down here now, actually, I can pick them up.
[3603.46] AndyRC: I got the Oculus Rift here.
[3606.46] AndyRC: Do you see FPV goggles in order for them to progress?
[3611.46] AndyRC: I mean, I'd be fine wearing this as an FPV goggle.
[3615.46] AndyRC: Do you see that being the direction that it could go to get?
[3620.46] AndyRC: Do you see entry level?
[3621.46] Alan, FatShark: Absolutely.
[3622.46] Alan, FatShark: So if you look, the Recon goggle, which we launched last November,
[3626.46] Alan, FatShark: is like $99 retail, has a very similar form factor.
[3630.46] Alan, FatShark: It's not a full box goggle.
[3632.46] Alan, FatShark: Instead, it has advanced optics as a panel goggle.
[3635.46] Alan, FatShark: Makes it pretty similar, pretty lightweight, pretty high performance,
[3639.46] Alan, FatShark: definitely lower cost.
[3641.46] Alan, FatShark: And the Vipers are very similar in terms of general optical construction.
[3648.46] Alan, FatShark: And I really think that category, that entire class of panel goggle,
[3654.46] Alan, FatShark: is really great for, I'd say, a lower cost architecture.
[3659.46] Alan, FatShark: I don't think it's going to replace the premium architecture,
[3662.46] Alan, FatShark: but I definitely think there's something really neat there.
[3665.46] AndyRC: I know we've talked about this before,
[3668.46] AndyRC: but really, for the adjustment of the IPD,
[3672.46] AndyRC: it's going to have to go to that size, I think,
[3675.46] AndyRC: in order for people to get the more IPD and the more immersive thing.
[3680.46] AndyRC: And I think it'd be great to have both.
[3683.46] AndyRC: The thing why I always use FatSharks is the size.
[3687.46] AndyRC: It's always a compromise,
[3689.46] AndyRC: but they're just so small on your face,
[3692.46] AndyRC: compared to something like a box goggle,
[3695.46] AndyRC: or even the Oculus sort of thing.
[3699.46] AndyRC: So, yeah, it'd be great to see something like that from FatShark.
[3704.46] AndyRC: Hint, hint.
[3706.46] Ash: Please, please take a hint from the onways.
[3709.46] Ash: I love on the onways.
[3712.46] Ash: I can get the SD card out without needing to use a screwdriver
[3715.46] Ash: to catch the end of it.
[3717.46] AndyRC: I tell you what's great about the onways for me.
[3720.46] AndyRC: This is the thing about goggles, is everyone has a different...
[3723.46] NJ: Yeah, it's very subjective.
[3725.46] AndyRC: We've talked about it before.
[3727.46] AndyRC: There's a million people that want a power button.
[3729.46] AndyRC: There's a million people that won't buy them if they've got a power button.
[3733.46] AndyRC: For me, it's the aspect ratio switch.
[3736.46] AndyRC: So, between 4x3 and 16x9.
[3739.46] AndyRC: So, that's something that onway...
[3741.46] AndyRC: That's my favorite thing about the latest onways,
[3744.46] AndyRC: even though they're more expensive than FatSharks.
[3746.46] AndyRC: And what I got...
[3748.46] AndyRC: It's funny, I did a review on the onway V2s,
[3752.46] AndyRC: and I said, look, the reason why no one's going to buy these
[3755.46] AndyRC: is because FatSharks are cheaper
[3758.46] AndyRC: and FatShark offered the customer service.
[3761.46] AndyRC: So, I sort of took it out there and said,
[3763.46] AndyRC: look, have you ever used onways customer service?
[3766.46] AndyRC: And it was 50-50.
[3768.46] AndyRC: Some people said they had a great experience with the onway.
[3772.46] AndyRC: And then others said, oh, I emailed them,
[3775.46] AndyRC: and once later I've got nothing.
[3777.46] AndyRC: Whereas with FatShark's customer service,
[3779.46] AndyRC: everyone seems to be happy.
[3781.46] AndyRC: And so, I think...
[3785.46] AndyRC: But for me, I think onway have got it
[3790.46] AndyRC: when it comes to the firmware,
[3792.46] AndyRC: but FatShark have got it when it comes to the customer service.
[3795.46] AndyRC: Perhaps you should maybe employ that guy back.
[3800.46] Curry: I'm kidding.
[3802.46] Curry: He's dead to them now. They ain't got nothing back.
[3805.46] AndyRC: He's on the list.
[3806.46] AndyRC: I'm kidding, but yeah.
[3808.46] AndyRC: I always...
[3810.46] AndyRC: Even when I have problems with the shells lately,
[3813.46] AndyRC: I still say, look, people aren't going to buy the onway
[3816.46] AndyRC: because of the customer service,
[3818.46] AndyRC: and that's what you guys offer.
[3820.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, well, we think if anybody's going to spend
[3822.46] Alan, FatShark: as much money as they do for our products,
[3824.46] Alan, FatShark: that they deserve all the support
[3827.46] Alan, FatShark: and the lifetime of that product
[3829.46] Alan, FatShark: and how they're going to use it.
[3830.46] Alan, FatShark: And that's something we take really seriously
[3834.46] Alan, FatShark: because it matters, right?
[3837.46] Alan, FatShark: You don't want to be out there flying and have something go wrong
[3839.46] Alan, FatShark: and be like, how much did I spend on this?
[3841.46] Alan, FatShark: I hate these guys.
[3842.46] Alan, FatShark: We'd rather be like, yeah, we'll sort you out
[3844.46] Alan, FatShark: because really anybody who's buying our products and flying,
[3847.46] Alan, FatShark: they're hobbyists, and that's how Greg started.
[3850.46] Alan, FatShark: And again, we think the money you guys spend is precious.
[3854.46] Alan, FatShark: We all have to work for it, and this hobby's not cheap,
[3858.46] Alan, FatShark: and so we definitely want you to feel like it's a safe investment.
[3861.46] AndyRC: And this stuff fails.
[3863.46] AndyRC: I try and say this.
[3865.46] AndyRC: This stuff fails.
[3866.46] AndyRC: It's like, you know, so...
[3869.46] AndyRC: But again, I think I've used the Fat Shark customer service
[3873.46] AndyRC: four times, and each time they've just sat and sorted me out.
[3877.46] AndyRC: So no matter how frustrated I get,
[3880.46] AndyRC: I will still go to Fat Shark because of that.
[3884.46] Alan, FatShark: Yeah, and over the next four times, you'll get sorted out, right?
[3887.46] Alan, FatShark: Exactly.
[3888.46] Alan, FatShark: Exactly.
[3889.46] Alan, FatShark: It's checked from the mail, Andy.
[3891.46] AndyRC: Do not say that.
[3894.46] AndyRC: I get enough grief saying that I work for you guys when I don't.
[3898.46] AndyRC: Can I just say, well, Jack's not here.
[3900.46] Andy: I am Andy RC.
[3901.46] Andy: I work for Fat Shark, and so I have to...
[3904.46] Andy: You know, they have to be my main goggles.
[3908.46] NJ: You just fueled Jack and Tony to be talking about that
[3912.46] NJ: for the next six months.
[3913.46] NJ: Good work, Ryan.
[3915.46] NJ: Right, I guess we probably better wrap that up here
[3918.46] NJ: because we've passed the hour.
[3920.46] NJ: A big thank you to Alan and Grant from Fat Shark for joining us.
[3923.46] NJ: I hope you'll come back again soon.
[3925.46] NJ: Thanks for the time, guys.
[3927.46] NJ: Thank you.
[3928.46] NJ: And of course, our usual culprits, Jack and...
[3933.46] NJ: What was his name again?
[3934.46] NJ: Oh, yeah, Tony.
[3935.46] NJ: Yeah, Jack and Tony.
[3936.46] NJ: The B...
[3937.46] NJ: The service will resume.
[3938.46] NJ: Yes, the B team.
[3940.46] NJ: The B team will resume from next week.
[3944.46] NJ: Hang on, are we the B team?
[3946.46] NJ: Are they the B team?
[3947.46] NJ: They're the B team.
[3948.46] NJ: We'll put that in the podcast.
[3949.46] Ash: We're luxurious, Claude.
[3951.46] NJ: Yeah, thanks very much to Ash from Draining On.
[3954.46] NJ: Cheers, guys.
[3955.46] NJ: Andy RC.
[3956.46] NJ: Thanks, everybody.
[3957.46] NJ: Good evening.
[3958.46] NJ: Harry Kitten.
[3959.46] NJ: Cheers, guys.
[3960.46] NJ: And I'm NJ Tech.
[3961.46] NJ: We'll see you guys again soon.
[3963.46] NJ: Thanks for watching.
[3964.46] UNKNOWN: Telemetry loss.