=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 192 === Title: LDO 192 - The MA5 Pre Show Recorded: 2019-05-02 Hosts: Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andy, Neil "NJ Tech" Jones Guest(s): Dom "D2" "Voice of Doom" Robinson Total audience: 2,312 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNRQ_pnSizI); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/616547703-letsdroneout-ldo-192-the-ma5-pre-show.mp3) ===================================== Mini Are show 5 come along 11th 12th of May 2019 - http://miniairshow.co.uk/ [0.0] Jack: Hey guys it's Jack here, big massive shout out to our patreons. So these guys are the guys who donate [9.84] Jack: for the editing and they really do make a huge difference to keep the show alive. [17.12] Jack: We've been sponsored by Art Faulkner, Ferdy Evers, Mikey Dread and Under Fluke. [23.2] Jack: These guys are absolute legends. Thank you so much and see you next show. [29.44] Jack: Let's drone out now. Five minutes past eight, you lose Clive FBV. [63.84] Jack: Hello welcome back to another episode of Let's Drone Out. [70.24] Jack: Tonight you're joined by Andrew Stashfrank. Good evening. Now it's your chance to talk Andy RC. [77.04] AndyRC: Hello but what what do you mean what's 25th date got, five past eight got anything to do with it? [84.24] Frank: Clive we're having sweepstakes and when we were going to start. [89.52] Jack: So as soon as I saw that I was like Frank go live live live live live. [92.96] Jack: Anyway live. We're also joined by Tony. For sure. Mr Florida every six minutes and everyone's [104.08] Jack: favorite Curry Kitten who also gave us a shout out made a little video about Mini Air Show 5. [108.72] Curry: Thank you very much. I did. Hello and any views expressed by any guests on the show. I'm personal [113.28] Curry: and may not reflect the views of any host or participants in the show especially Andy RC. [119.52] Tony: It changes every week but I love it. We like to spice things up a bit. [123.92] Jack: And I'm bright so I fly. How's it going guys? How's it going? Or how is Frank other than? [131.52] Frank: I'm alive. I have survived thus far. I have only one more day of work and then it's pure Mini Air [137.28] Frank: Show last minute dash last week of getting everything in place actually going to be going [145.12] Frank: on site latest this a week from now. Probably going to be on site earlier than Thursday [156.64] Frank: at the moment. But yes everything is falling into place. We have at the moment let me have [166.24] Frank: the very last up to date sign up list. We have with Davis is asking how we do a podcast. [176.56] Frank: I think we're doing a live one when that right guys. Jack's been absolutely breaking us back [182.4] Frank: making the announcements schedule happen just so that we can have a live audio. [189.2] Jack: So thank you very much Jack. Well yeah I have had more no's than since I've been on Tinder. [201.68] Frank: The yes's are the important ones. But yeah we've got 14 teams signed up to the [209.2] Frank: the relay. So we've got EQRC, Halo RC, Hearts, Hooners, KCL, Magic Smoke, North London [220.48] Frank: How is the proper way to say that? [224.16] Frank: There we go. [225.28] AndyRC: Isn't that LED? North London massive. Well if you see that. [230.4] Jack: I like the way you got the Vulcan symbol the wrong way round rather than the west side. [237.52] Jack: You are so white Andy RC. I'm just not street light you Jack. It's not down with the kids. [244.48] Jack: God we've got NJ or it might as well be some sort of Ku Klux Klan meeting. [250.96] Jack: Am I allowed to say that? [253.04] AndyRC: What is that? Is that the symbol for the KKK is it? [257.92] Jack: No no no no definitely not. Let's not go down this rabbit hole. [263.2] AndyRC: Stop talking. We've already read the disclaimer so it's funny. [267.92] Curry: It's all right. We put the special NDRC clause in this week. He's okay. [270.88] Frank: Yeah yeah. North London receive. That's not right is it? How is it? [276.64] Frank: I see whatever. You'll you'll know who's in that team when you get there. I'm sure if he's [283.12] Frank: wearing what I think he's going to be wearing. Old git, quad damage, send nudes. [291.68] Frank: Well there's one two and three and Xblades are going to be there on the team relay. [299.04] Frank: So there's still a bit of time if you did want to have a last minute. [305.04] Frank: Throw your hat in the ring and for a team relay then. [307.36] Tony: How many spaces are left then? [310.24] Frank: So we've got two more team spaces. So if two more teams wanted to sign up then they could. [317.12] Frank: So that's eight more people. [318.88] Frank: Exactly. But the pilot packs have been sent out 20 minutes ago. So I'll have to manually check all [332.16] Frank: if anyone does sign up and send them out again. [335.92] Frank: But the yeah so that is the team relay and what else we got going on. So we have got on the field [344.24] Frank: we've got AZ Aerosports. So they're bringing along lots of some very shiny things. They've got these [354.48] Frank: big 3D extra 300. So like there's kind of the Red Bull air racer kind of things doing all their [363.84] Frank: weird stunts. Including they're bringing along I'm told quite a sizeable pile of fireworks. [372.24] Frank: So that could be entertaining. [373.6] Frank: Cool. Steve Holland. [376.48] Tony: Can we fly through them? [377.52] Tony: Can we fly through them? [379.12] Frank: You'll have to do your classic Tony bargaining I think. [383.52] Tony: Okay I'll bring a 50 quid note. [386.64] Jack: Barking is not a replace of the word bribing. [394.0] Frank: Steve Holland is bringing along some very big models including a massive Lancaster. [403.2] Frank: I've seen this Lancaster in person up close when we were doing the Battle Britain Model [409.44] Frank: Squadron thing. And yeah it's it's a big old beast. [414.4] Frank: That sounds good. [416.16] AndyRC: Is that the one that's got like four go-kart engines in it? That's how big it is. [422.4] Tony: That is a little good. Do you reckon I could sit on it? [427.68] Frank: It would probably be able to yeah I reckon you could climb in the Bombay. [432.0] AndyRC: I think it takes a few people I think it takes a few people to stop it from taking off when [437.92] AndyRC: tuning them motors yeah. [440.48] Frank: Yeah it's it's a beast. I think that and the the ex-class I think you should [446.88] Frank: convince him to fly in formation. That's what I reckon. [451.92] AndyRC: I have a feeling that the Lancaster might be a little bit more pricey than the ex-class. [457.44] Frank: A little bit. [459.28] AndyRC: I've been surprised for the ex-class. [461.6] Frank: Oh no. [464.64] Tony: Don't be worried. My friends are working on it as we speak. [470.72] Frank: Speaking of the ex-class who else so you've got you and your fossil frames Thor. [478.08] Frank: What other ex-class are there any more confirmed? [481.36] Tony: I'm hoping that one of my friends who call another ex-class Thor is going to come but [487.92] Tony: he's not even flown it yet so. [491.76] Curry: Sounds like a perfect time for everything. [494.0] Tony: And there was someone I was talking to on Facebook but I can't find him or anything. [498.64] Tony: He said he was going to come up and fly as well so don't know if there'd be a race but I'm gonna [504.24] Tony: I've got something special to do when I fly so. [508.24] Frank: Yeah that could be I mean the ex-class just it looks fun anyway. [512.48] Frank: It's going to look fun and look even more fun. [516.48] Frank: We've got MWM wall birds and models so they're bringing not only their [523.2] Frank: wall birds are like you know the classic sort of Mustang but they're also they have some quite [530.88] Frank: interesting turbines and funky jets. [534.8] AndyRC: Oh I might know some of those people. [537.12] Frank: You may well do. You you are definitely in this crowd Andy. [541.76] Tony: Is that fast jet coming? What's not a jet but it was like 6S? [546.64] Frank: The fun jet. [550.32] Frank: I don't know Dan is running the flight line. [553.92] Frank: I don't know how because I passed on the details it's like everyone who was there last year I [559.36] Frank: don't know what's going on. [560.72] Frank: I haven't heard of anything it's not on the list but it doesn't mean it's not. [566.64] Frank: Um we've got obviously the freestyle competition um which art is going to be running again and [577.04] Frank: I believe Tony has plans to uh um yes that could be entertaining. [587.76] Jack: Is that where you live? What is that noise in the background? [590.88] Jack: Who? [593.36] Jack: The screaming child? I don't know. [595.2] Tony: It's probably my where I'm starting. [600.8] Tony: I'm wearing my mates and he has babies and there's an aircon on at the moment so apologies. [608.08] Frank: Um yeah we're gonna have a bunch of different um hopefully commercial like DJI type stuff so [618.72] Frank: there's going to be at the very least an inspire to um but I believe there's there's all sorts of [625.28] Frank: things being drummed up for that. [627.04] Frank: There's the oddball 3000 and the concourse concourse delegance which uh Curry has rounded [636.64] Frank: up some judges for um so anyone who's built something weird. [642.96] Frank: So last year the winner was uh Jacques with his uh flying car uh the year before was uh Carlos. [657.28] Frank: He had a scratch built speed uh speed racer star wars thing. [662.64] Frank: What's the name for it? It's not it's not the racer it's the speed speedo. [668.24] Frank: I can't remember something from star wars anyway was [676.56] Tony: the things from the forest of end or is this what yes that's the one [682.32] Tony: yeah what the little bike things yes yeah i thought it was a car in shorts that germans [689.2] Jack: wear in the pool i thought it was a car that looked up so how much to get you in a pair of [695.84] Tony: speedos i don't know the question is how much to get them out of them [703.6] Tony: that's another subject but maybe if we did some kind of raffle [713.2] Jack: i should have run this far sorry to have a bit of admin a bit so a bit jarring but uh next month [719.68] Jack: on the sixth um we've got simon newton on from on the kitchen table awesome and it requires us [728.08] Jack: all to get drunk there will be drinking games because he's always got a beverage on the table [734.24] AndyRC: yeah but he's always wine isn't it no it is tea shall we isn't it no we're gonna get [741.84] Curry: frank's immune to drink now he's built up his resistance to such a level he has like a [746.56] Jack: liter of vodka just for breakfast now i asked him like how are you he's like [752.0] Jack: um like what are you up to and he's like drinking [757.6] Jack: frank it's four in the morning [763.36] Frank: i was drinking water so what else we got um plan is to have the bring and buy sessions so [772.88] Frank: rather than having uh there all day we're going to concentrate it and have a mad panic [780.96] Frank: rush panic buying uh from at the bring and buy oh i can see if i can bring my um hexacopter [788.32] Tony: that i've tried to sell for the last three ma five ma three ma four and ma five you might as [794.0] Tony: well give it away like should we just smash it up in some ldo video or something maybe we ought to [800.72] Curry: fly it and detonate lots of fireworks and see if it explodes good yeah it might be a weird do that [806.08] Frank: then um we have uh the tiny woofers uh we're going to have a little mini race course um and a workshop [819.12] Frank: building some tiny woofers uh so if you're a little kid or a big kid you can have a go at making your [826.64] Frank: own tiny woofer then there's always going to be the the tiny whooping in the evening we've got [833.76] Frank: quite a fancy marquee this year it's a bit bigger than last year just say did you steal it from a [840.88] Tony: circus frank what what the mark is bigger than last year which one because they were both massive [848.64] Jack: um frank i you'll see have you have you got something in common with uk shrimp i.e you've [860.4] Jack: been on the cocaine again what have you been spending well you know there's no point scrimping [867.2] Frank: on these things uh so yeah so in the evenings we're going to be having the fun flies we're [873.52] Frank: going to be having uh at some point these fireworks i'm sure we're going to have the [878.08] Frank: tiny whooping in the the marquees with gav's setup that he's been working on for the past [885.12] Frank: year on top of what there was there last year um we're going to have Fraser's sound system [892.88] Frank: playing out some music which um again has been worked on even more than it was last year [901.68] Frank: plus we are having a bar again this year yay it's back edie's bar [912.24] AndyRC: come on you must do that one endy also edie's bar edie's bra isn't it yeah so on the note of the [921.52] Jack: fact there being a bar what time do the doors open frank's got a whole new license 24 hours [931.28] AndyRC: 25 hours a day no but what time do the gates open on on the saturday or is it always open friday [939.44] Frank: they open and then they're just open until so we will have camping available from the thursday [950.0] Frank: evening um so if anyone does want to turn up very early and help up uh help with the setup on the [957.76] Tony: friday you are very very welcome got a question about camping oh good is is the camping 25 pound [965.84] Frank: per person or is it per tent so it is for the pitch for the entire weekend through from thursday [972.48] Tony: all the way through monday and that's the way for a pitch and seven people could sleep in that tent [978.0] Frank: if you want to all camp next to each other head and tail is it next to each other though or is it [987.28] Frank: buy a big tent seven people in the tent so we've got these fairly big pitches [995.68] Frank: most tents will fit in this pitch and if you want to stick that on there then absolutely so what [1002.32] AndyRC: what's her name then tony uh his name [1008.8] Tony: i'm just trying to save a bit of money because obviously i've been spending a lot the last few [1013.12] Tony: days and when i come back i want to see if i can go down well actually i'm going down with three lads [1018.96] Tony: um so i have a surprise next thursday you'll be with me doing the show and then i'm going down [1026.64] Tony: with him and then another guy and we were just thinking about this all sleeping in one tent and [1032.0] Tony: saving money if that's absolutely cool that's good is there is there another show before this [1038.88] Tony: there's another show first day i'm sure there's gonna be a show isn't there [1044.88] Frank: yeah next thursday there will be an ldo show but i will not be there right won't be there [1053.12] Curry: i will be perhaps you could can we have a special guest live report from the field i was gonna say [1059.04] Tony: yes that's what we should do yeah i'd love to see you frankly this microphone doing this is [1064.08] Jack: nice yes frank you're not too drunk and i think it'll be better halfway through chundering in a bush [1076.0] AndyRC: we'll see how the day is going how's the live stream gonna work is it is it just the audio [1083.68] Frank: or are you doing video they're all there okay they will that is a good point [1088.72] Frank: oh you should you should see what is that gonna be the work that has been put into this [1095.76] Frank: into the video and all the other stuff it is oh one of my favorite ones that we did when we were [1105.76] AndyRC: we were all together in no not in no not in the park well that one was good but we were pretty [1113.92] AndyRC: much all together oh it part apart from wane to andu's folks yeah don't forget your microphones [1123.52] Frank: i really like the um you don't phrase it as a box of microphones you don't need to bring more [1128.88] Curry: microphones i'm not bringing my microphone because i've got the wrong sort of microphone anyway you [1134.16] Curry: have these fancy xlr whatever's down here or something yeah phantom power yeah i've got one [1140.24] Frank: yeah phrase it there is there's already going to be an entire train worth of audio gear you do [1147.44] Tony: not need to bring more birthday night live and then what are we doing is saturday or friday night [1153.04] Curry: do we know yet we are saturday night because actually on a saturday as opposed to friday [1158.8] Jack: where it's just a sort of setup thing yeah we're we're on saturday night right so anyone who can't [1165.04] Tony: make it can tune in and watch us live from ma5 on saturday night yep sweet and i've [1172.88] Jack: batteryed up my softbox lights and all that sort of stuff nice to help so they run on 4s [1187.6] Jack: do they run on mains at all yeah uh no dc only do you have dc adapters no [1195.04] Jack: it might make some immediately oh my god cost money i think i have to go to [1204.0] Tony: i might have to borrow your amazon account there'd be enough no there'd be enough [1208.16] Curry: for us barry i haven't asked because what time we intended to do the ldo thing as i i have to [1213.76] Curry: go home that night at some point you do not want me in the field when there's other people in that [1220.16] Curry: field it's right eight or nine oh we're doing it from eight that's sweaty you live so close [1237.68] Curry: well how am i supposed to do the live stream if i'm going driving home during it do it from the car [1241.84] Curry: uh hello [1247.76] Jack: maybe i could jiggle it around a little bit but i love it when you do jiggle it around [1252.88] Jack: that's not a thing you want to see if you're a good boy let's play with you and help me with [1261.04] Tony: some setup stuff joker vision in the chat said he's got led lamps for filming if you need to [1266.4] Tony: help as well camera batteries and cigarette lighters charges nice one yeah cool thank you can i [1273.28] Jack: can i just um anymore have people been atting me i've got no orange bar when people at me [1281.36] AndyRC: i've got it well i don't know how to do it back no it doesn't do it back it does it [1287.84] AndyRC: it highlights it automatically from your name yeah why are you not doing that now [1293.12] AndyRC: yeah right it's on it to me but i can't do it right mine's not actually either maybe it's broken [1298.96] Jack: again oh man stop breaking youtube youtube's gone goddamn awful um we're gonna get a community [1309.04] Frank: strike or something people on the show aren't the views of the people on the show or whatever it is [1314.96] AndyRC: we say can i can i talk about simon newton for a second can i can i just finish up and say if anyone [1322.24] Frank: is coming to mini air show uh so it will be set up on friday lots of stuff happening on saturday [1331.12] Frank: and some other stuff happening on sunday and if you're just coming along and spectating and [1337.52] Frank: having a chat and poking us then it will be absolutely free to get into free park and [1344.24] Frank: everything you pay for the bar and you pay for the food that's about it um or if you're going [1350.56] Frank: to buy stuff off of a jacker um or hopefully a couple of other people looking me along and [1355.44] Frank: selling stuff as well um if you're want to camp over then it's 25 quid for the pitch for the [1361.76] Frank: entire event and if you want to do the fun flight then there's tickets for that as well [1368.8] Frank: which i think off the top of my head is 15 pounds um and that'll get you into the freestyle [1375.92] Frank: competition it'll get you into everything else but you get one of those if you buy a camping [1381.12] Frank: pass as well so just how much i camping passes are 25 pounds fun flies uh 15 pounds but i'm [1389.52] Frank: doubting myself now so i'm just going to check that's that i need to i need to i need to buy [1395.68] Tony: one of those um i haven't even bought anything yet when i get back i'm coming back and i'm [1402.4] Jack: gonna have to spend some more money frank am i allowed to bootleg i've got some photos of tony [1409.84] Jack: in his boxes you know when he was showering in the right in the shed that was not even like [1418.56] Jack: i didn't even give you permission so yeah but if i print them off glossy can i sell them for tony [1424.96] Tony: to sign can we have like little tony signing food i don't think anyone's gonna buy them i need to [1430.56] Jack: prove me wrong and have fun i'm really tempted to look in i know this is a bit tony territory [1439.2] Jack: but i'm really tempted to look into um ldo like flasks or water bottles i've got a contact [1447.52] Tony: i don't think we've actually got anything ldo to sell as well but we've got a t-shirt and one hat [1453.2] Tony: left throw that out into the two people watching live just put it on the table with tony's [1463.2] Curry: texacopters yeah get things going uh what did you want to know about simon are you done frank yeah i [1471.28] AndyRC: am i am done what do you want to know about simon newton well i just wanted to um know [1478.56] AndyRC: uh is he coming on to talk about this 16 pound 50 thing oh yes and god they're already haven't you [1487.04] AndyRC: and commercial stuff yes because i know simon newton's very connected with all of that [1494.8] Jack: kind of stuff so um yeah is that what the idea is it's gonna more um the audio hit flasks um more [1506.8] Jack: sort of talking about commercial stuff but he will have answers to questions that he'll have on [1512.88] Jack: his video so you'll have more hopefully you'll have a bit more of a relaxed chat about it but [1519.28] AndyRC: that's with our fingers crossed and if it does if this thing does come into place [1526.32] AndyRC: who's gonna pay the 16 pound 50 or who's giving up uh i i'm i'm pretty much done i'm not giving up [1534.88] Tony: the 16 pound 50 if you give up for 16 50 you're a bean head that's all i say unless tony wants to [1542.8] Jack: do you own all my drones and then i'll just sign as uh i put my your number on my quads [1552.64] Tony: well then how fun tax is some goddamn fun tax yes yeah i agree but i'm not letting 16 pound 50 [1562.0] Tony: ruin my life or hobby i love flying and another 16 50 ain't gonna ruin it for me [1567.92] Tony: if i have to do it i'll do it i'm against it but i'm gonna ruin some people some people pay [1574.08] Tony: 50 quid a month for their phone contract exactly 50 quid to watch rubbish propaganda from the tv [1581.6] Tony: they they just allow it just pay the 16 50 and get on with it nine quid a month for the tv license [1587.92] AndyRC: six yeah and it only doesn't pay tv license yeah yeah but that's because tv's crap [1596.08] Tony: yeah it's false fed information of propaganda crap one of the concerns that i have seen raised [1602.88] Frank: um about even just the 16 pound 50 which is like the the tiny tip of the iceberg i think and we [1610.24] AndyRC: still should say it's a proposal right it's not a it's not a step the registration is definitely [1616.8] Frank: happening it is in the law for november um yeah so you're going on a list along with food shopping [1624.96] Jack: stuff to do like frank's to-do list that never ends and peter files stop yeah but jack you [1634.24] AndyRC: do you own a car yeah does it have a registration plate yeah do you have a driving license [1642.72] Jack: yeah then all of that is the same yeah but you know can you the thing is with a car [1650.88] Jack: contacts very very big yeah and they provide roads and i'm allowed to park on stuff [1658.72] Tony: you'll be up to that when you get there anyway unless it's same sprigs and you're going to be [1662.96] Jack: there two hours yeah but it's way easier to kill people with a car than it is with a little [1671.28] Jack: quadcopter and the other side of it is if you do naughty stuff if you do naughty stuff it's easier [1677.68] Jack: in a car easier to track in a car whereas anyone quad isn't gonna stop 16 pound 50 is not gonna [1687.04] Jack: buddy stop anyone malicious from doing anything they in fact they don't even pay it the point is [1695.36] Frank: it's hard to tell you know if if a policeman at the moment oh yeah hold on hold on hello nj [1706.4] Frank: i need to present jack before he lights something on fire i'll wait for you there we go [1711.84] AndyRC: presented now nj is going to be paying me 16 pound 50 this one's for you tony [1719.04] Tony: wow that's a that's a bit yeah thank you did that did that struggle to get him focused [1737.73] Tony: there so what do you say they last a long time don't they they're not from asda no the um [1752.45] Frank: the whole registration thing is isn't to stop people from flying it's so that when someone is [1759.09] Frank: stopped flying because the policeman thinks that they're probably doing something naughty instead [1764.21] Frank: of having to argue whether or not it's 250 gram well they still have to argue that actually but [1769.25] Frank: whether instead of arguing is it 405 feet or 395 feet or whatever else it's just do you have [1777.81] Frank: your are you registered yes then okay then we might have to look if it's very clear or [1784.53] Frank: not you're doing something but if it's you're not even registered then it's very easy [1788.69] Curry: while you're doing it wrong come with me call me cynical but i don't believe that's the idea [1793.01] Curry: behind it i think the idea behind it is tell the public we've done something yes and it matters [1799.97] Tony: not if it's ineffective which of course it is you're putting dl says 16 pound 50 is a good [1807.17] Tony: night out where i come from so he's obviously from up north yeah it's a cheap night out a drink and [1813.41] Jack: a half that's two minutes of fun in frank's mouth in london well that's it that's a weak [1829.01] Frank: wow okay um not sure how to take that but well i took it all right [1838.21] Jack: drinks is alcohol it's a mouthful 16 pounds i'm glad you clarified that [1843.41] Frank: thanks jack um but i think a lot of people who are commercial flyers uh i with uh pfcos or [1852.77] Frank: previously p4s um they are saying that yeah cia you say it's 16 pound 50 this year [1861.73] Frank: but you wait till you see next year because apparently they've been hiking the prices for [1866.85] Frank: registration and renewal every year so it's now like four times but it was not that long ago [1874.61] Curry: there was certainly a good point made by bruce on his video about why is it this this much money so [1880.61] Curry: there's the whole thing about the user pays for it so anybody the idea is that the people that [1887.49] Curry: need to be registered have to pay for the infrastructure but it's not like they're [1891.09] Curry: going to have to buy you know whole new buildings and computers to do this in the government and [1896.69] Curry: the ca have websites they have infrastructure already there i have developers there it's sort [1901.97] Curry: of a short bit of work to sort of put something there with you know under 200 000 users which [1908.45] NJ: will log on once uh i don't think it's that at all though i think it's you're absolutely [1913.81] NJ: right in what you say but i think it's more about the fact that they're recouping costs [1918.05] NJ: that they they've burnt so much money so do you think they've already spent the cost always oh [1923.01] NJ: and some they've spent it's just millions isn't it that they've already spent on [1927.97] NJ: you know god knows what as well as all these drone uh you know deterrent systems and detection [1934.29] NJ: systems and whatever fancy name they want to come up with for something that's an [1937.57] Jack: ineffective waste of of of money i said jay by the way if you're listening to this audio only [1944.13] Jack: he's very sexy [1947.65] Jack: we're probably the people listening to audio early yeah man really a lot of people listen [1953.09] Tony: to this on audio well done let's just stop there have you got any of them specs right [1958.93] Jack: well there's there's sticks on the podcast yeah you've changed your password i can't remember [1963.81] Jack: what it was i don't know what it was okay well i've clearly forgotten i think it's in the south [1972.85] Jack: like five thousand a month yeah we we're probably we are probably paying the the the [1979.97] Jack: for the fiasco financially of gatwick when there wasn't even a drone there [1985.49] Jack: but this is all they justify it for every year though because it's like okay let's take this [1990.53] Curry: pay for consultants but next year it's like okay you've already bought the computer [1995.49] Curry: or whatever you've got the website running why is it costing another 2.8 million [2000.53] Jack: i i think it's 16 pound 50 so it's like a christmas list so the rozzers can come around [2007.25] Jack: kick your fucking door in kick your dog in sorry for cussing um you know keep you in custody for [2013.81] Jack: 36 hours and then leak all your stuff to the press you know i can't honestly i can't wait [2023.73] Jack: till janet's walking little scruffy in the park and she demands to see your credentials [2030.61] Jack: and i can just imagine the profanities that are going to come out of tony's mouth at her [2036.93] Jack: being you're not an authority i don't need to show you that don't make me show you my bottom [2044.77] Jack: and then it's going to escalate to something else and then everyone's going to get arrested [2050.45] Tony: i will pay for you to get a tattoo saying i'm not paying 16 50 on your ass [2056.61] Curry: and give you 100 pounds so i'm running from you a lot more than 16 pounds 50 [2062.53] Curry: jack do it i'll get anise to do it so when someone asks to see your credentials you can [2070.13] Curry: just take your pants down they just say i'm not paying 16 pounds 50 that works on so many levels [2076.53] AndyRC: like this let's do it wow yeah no worries the thing is though at the moment i haven't had a [2087.01] AndyRC: single case where i've been flying and a policeman has come up to me so i was saying that once this [2095.09] AndyRC: comes into place they are going to go out of their way rather than in muggers and things [2101.89] Jack: yeah because look you're you're a big noisy like noise thing sat in the middle of the field right [2110.53] Jack: not moving anywhere and there's a chance to get up to a thousand pound fine or five years in prison [2121.09] Frank: i believe or if you actually cause some damage then unlimited on both what unlimited time in [2129.17] Tony: prison yeah if you if you if you take out if you're worrying now yeah it's mental oh you know if [2137.41] Frank: you if you do manage to like have an air-prox incident that not even an air-prox but if you [2143.97] Frank: crash into a plane yes unlimited i love the the phrasing of that unlimited time in prison it's [2154.21] NJ: like it's like that thing where you go to pizza hut and they're like unlimited refills of [2158.77] NJ: of coca-cola but you can only have two unlimited unlimited time in prison stay as long as you like [2165.57] Jack: you might as well go to north korea because you get five years for ripping down a poster [2172.77] Jack: and you come out with you come out with um brain hemorrhage in a coma and then you die [2179.49] Jack: in the next five hours it'll be less painful than unlimited time and prison [2187.17] Tony: look let's just face it at the moment there's hardly any police like i said before i had a [2191.65] Tony: break like out for six months and i had a but numerous police below me and never got pulled [2197.41] Tony: over can you seriously see a policeman stopping and then got walking to the middle of the field [2204.93] Tony: with a bunch of idiots flying drones and she's gonna not gonna police it it's kind of gonna [2211.81] Curry: depend isn't it on the circumstances most of us are flying in quite remote areas and it would take [2217.81] Curry: an awful lot just to describe like someone called the police there's this guy in this field what [2223.01] Curry: field you know the one by that road which is in the other field is in the random name pound fifty [2229.81] Frank: is actually uh going to go towards marketing uh what three words go yourself no i mean the [2239.25] Jack: mapping scheme oh the oh the three words like uh pixie uh pixie land post trevor [2250.61] Jack: they've gritted the whole of the uk out and it's the whole world isn't it is it the whole world [2256.05] Jack: and yeah oh god it's easy because it's flat so joe public will use it against you yeah it just [2264.77] Jack: seems like a lot of hassle yes it's a lot of hassle i think people who are flying there's [2271.57] Curry: sort of the park flyers that come into contact with the public are going to have potentially [2275.89] Curry: more of hassle from the sort of the busy body or the like i'm informed and i know about the stuff [2281.73] Curry: therefore you're doing wrongness now but if you're in the middle of nowhere i think you're probably [2286.93] NJ: okay i agree with that which is why i also think uh certainly in the near future it will [2294.29] NJ: and we're seeing this already but it's definitely going to drive the sub 250 class even harder and [2299.89] Jack: you know it's it's already heading that way with with that's not even a solution because the old [2307.25] Jack: rozzers if there is an issue the old rozzers will show up right and and then no one will know [2313.89] Jack: how much it weighs because they don't carry little scales around with them and they'll [2318.69] Jack: just really get scales and carry them themselves and then and then they'll just end up taking the [2323.09] Jack: thing off you and then checking it the other thing is is none of us fly 25 milliwatt we may or may not [2335.57] NJ: i can wholeheartedly uh stand testament to uh andrew's words when he said i fly 25 milliwatts [2343.81] NJ: he absolutely does when we went flying uh there was just this massive long wooded path [2349.65] NJ: that actually is one of my one of my videos i put up uh not that long ago so we went out flying [2355.09] NJ: up in thetford and there was this just this massive long path which is in my video where [2360.37] NJ: we just screamed down and it was you know it's a pretty long stretch whatever that was [2364.85] NJ: i'm trying to think what that was in feet but it was it was pretty decent and and you just decided [2369.73] Frank: right i'm gonna go for it and so i head straight down until i start to slow down and obviously [2374.13] Frank: because my antenna is like angled back so it was slowed down it the more my video got worse [2380.85] Frank: it was fine power line and was like oh i've got to kill this yeah it was fine until it wasn't [2385.73] NJ: and then it really wasn't there was just nothing it's like i need to go there and join that look [2390.69] Curry: like i love that spot on your videos yeah it was a very good spot as far as a milliwatts power go [2397.33] Curry: the police uh are tasked with investigating like a drone offense they're not tasked with [2402.93] Curry: enforcing offcom things which you have to get someone from offcom out to to do something and [2408.29] Curry: saying we need to track down this person do something about it because also they don't know [2412.69] Frank: if you're something that's 25 milliwatts like 500 meters away or 100 milli 100 milliwatts [2422.85] Frank: a kilometer away so unless they actually know where you are they can't know what milliwatts [2427.73] NJ: they're putting it anyway so it just feels like the official the official power to prosecute [2435.57] NJ: uh a level where the public will shut up about it all and then it will go quiet and media will [2440.69] NJ: move on and something there'll be hysteria over something else i think that's honestly what's [2444.77] NJ: going to happen i don't think it's not going to affect us as much it's just we've got to be [2449.97] NJ: a little more vigilant a little bit more uh thoughtful about where we fly at the minute [2455.73] Jack: yeah all right with not mentioning the g word apparently that there was some flights cancelled [2463.01] Jack: and they were flying outside the exclusion zone i think that was me i was outside now admittedly [2469.89] Curry: i'm about 100 miles away from the exclusion zone but i was outside the exclusion zone so that [2474.29] Frank: could have been me and my fault sorry guys what the guys are talking about here is uh last week [2479.57] Frank: there was cancellations that Gatwick and flights diverted and to begin with it was reported as 15 [2486.29] Frank: minutes of delay and then later it was reported as three hours of delay um you know a few days [2491.81] Frank: later which seems odd but um either way it was there's all these massive headlines saying oh [2499.01] Frank: drones cause problems again and then uh if you actually read the article which most people don't [2505.57] Frank: fair enough that's why we have you frank it says it's it was an they investigated an object uh [2516.53] Frank: that was three outside their three kilometer exclusion zone or five kilometers or whatever [2521.81] Frank: it was it was just an object that they couldn't confirm they like even Gatwick airport didn't [2527.81] Frank: say it was a drone and they didn't say that it was anywhere near them and they said we did a risk [2533.17] Frank: assessment and said yeah doesn't matter so that way they knew it's that day but it's a headline [2540.61] NJ: isn't it and it was like a couple of papers and a few ads again yeah yeah they'll get bored eventually [2547.65] Curry: damn press if they're going to concentrate on something like all the stabbings that keep [2552.13] Frank: happening in london that doesn't need to be hysterical in the past year three people [2557.33] Frank: within you know a few hundred meters of me at the time have been shot like that's that [2564.21] Frank: surely should be higher up the headlines than someone flies drone possibly maybe that's that's [2570.77] Curry: a remote stabbing isn't it the interesting thing about what you meant you were shooting somebody [2575.73] Curry: is that there is a finite level of uh prison sentence you'll have unlike if you fly a drone [2580.85] AndyRC: it could be unlimited also um you know gun registrations nine pound not 16 pound [2590.21] AndyRC: chunking of guns so let's all just get going it's got brass what have you found in the back garden [2600.29] Jack: Dom let's send you a link mate this will be interesting find out what Dom has to say [2606.05] Tony: this one's a luger i'm from a german gun i presume and this one's just a two-two [2612.53] AndyRC: it's just everywhere yeah do you think i killed it good presentation tony thank you for that [2623.02] NJ: show and tell with tony from glass five i went into the woods and i found these [2628.86] NJ: now my sister was playing an american dead hooker good luck get you in tastings [2633.34] Tony: i can bring you a mime if you like good luck take it in your hand luggage [2643.98] Frank: yeah the um there is a massive call to action um that's been put out by all the uk model flying [2650.94] Frank: association so this is the british mother flying association the bmfa it is also fpvuk and it's the [2657.26] Frank: large model association and the scottish error models association i think it's what it's called [2661.9] Frank: saa um so that's all four of them uh met up on tuesday evening to say what the hell is going on [2671.5] Frank: um because in that announcement that everyone's had the 16 pound 50 and that was just like the [2678.38] Frank: first paragraph there was like three pages and they've read the other pages and gone this is [2684.14] Frank: this is really bad news you know um and basically they're worried because there's no [2692.06] Frank: communication happening anymore between the caa and the uk model flying associations [2698.78] Frank: and so they're like we're sending messages we're not having anything back [2704.78] Frank: this is all fallen apart they're just going ahead and not listening to us at all [2709.02] Frank: what we need now is to work together and get every member of all these organizations [2715.58] Frank: so all the all the pilots in bmfa and fpvuk and sia and the lma we need them all to [2724.78] Frank: contact all the various people um so there is a document that each one has put out [2730.94] Frank: which says basically why they're worried and it also says please contact all these people so [2740.3] Frank: various people in i mean mainly your local mp that is please email your local mp which you [2749.66] Frank: can find out by going to they work for you i think is the website um they work for you.com [2758.62] Frank: there you go and you can find out your local mp if you don't already know [2762.3] Tony: none of them work for any of us here tony there is that but um yeah you know we've got [2772.62] Frank: my my local elections because i'm in london where is it i can't remember whatever it is [2778.22] Frank: the elections that i can vote in that aren't the general election aren't held on today [2784.22] Frank: for some reason they're held in three weeks time mine was today yeah most of the rest of the country [2790.22] Frank: is but london is like yeah well either way the we we just need to cause a stink uh [2803.26] Curry: i would like to discourage anybody from doing it but my cynical point of view after the last [2807.58] Curry: lot of consultation things says yeah we'll put it out for consultation because that's what we [2811.58] Curry: have to do we'll gather the answers we'll write them down and then we'll ignore everything [2816.06] Frank: everybody said and do what we like exactly so there's that's that is the second thing so there [2819.9] Frank: is a consultation that cia put out at the moment about the 16 pound 15 everything else so that is [2824.62] Frank: one thing that you can do is respond to that which takes no time at all because it's three pages [2831.42] Frank: two and a half pages it's like answer these questions thank you we've officially ticked [2836.38] Frank: our box that we've put out a consultation and it's yeah don't like do it to show that you've [2844.22] Frank: you know you are you exist but it's a pretty unhelpful consultation but the main thing is to [2852.38] Frank: try and get um a bit more noise um at local MPs um so that they can bother the cia and the dft [2861.82] Frank: um and as uh didactylose in uh the chat says don't use form letters or copy pasting or anything like [2873.26] Frank: that for these emails and messages to uh MPs because that just gets spam filtered out [2880.54] Curry: sorry i'm just reading mr foodie cake suggestion about mass crash your drone into the house of [2884.7] Curry: parliament which obviously we wouldn't recommend but i've got the mental picture in my head of [2889.02] Curry: all these things sitting there as i thought it would be fun which would be fun wouldn't it let's [2894.46] Frank: face it well you know they're rebuilding it soon anyway i'm sure they won't mind this helping [2899.26] Frank: it's gonna say that place is disintegrating isn't it yeah but yes uh individual even if it's [2906.14] Frank: very simple few lines to your local mp saying i think this is terrible contact the bmfa for [2914.14] Frank: more information or something just like please write an email to your local mp saying this is [2921.74] AndyRC: rubbish and they need to rethink it because like the bmfa already exists in fpvuk i think um and [2929.74] AndyRC: when we talk about this uh 16 quid or whatever it's for anything that flies doesn't have to [2936.46] AndyRC: even have a camera on it they're saying if it flies then it's 16 quid at the moment even to [2942.86] AndyRC: the point of control line yeah exactly so so then um because you know all five per airplane [2950.14] AndyRC: speaking to my passengers yes [2955.26] AndyRC: well speak and and speaking to you know people they're like well you know kind of the bmfa [2963.18] AndyRC: if you're signed up to the bmfa surely that shows that you're serious enough to care about safety [2970.54] AndyRC: and insurance and and so i think a lot of people will end up deserting them so surely it's in [2978.22] AndyRC: like the bmfa's interest to to strike some sort of deal that if you are like a member of these [2986.7] Frank: organizations that you shouldn't know and the european aviation safety authority uh guideline [2996.7] Frank: framework which is what this whole thing is supposedly written under so specifically that [3001.42] Frank: it should allow for uh the national associations these sort of things to you know work with them [3008.22] Frank: so that we're not you know copying and pasting you know having everyone do two things at the [3012.54] Frank: same time um and bmfa have been like okay good we're gonna do this how do we do that and just [3019.02] Frank: absolute silence and not getting anything back which is kind of why they're concerned [3023.18] NJ: do you know i'm interested in actually is i'd really like to know um not that i think we'd get [3028.86] NJ: maybe an answer from the bmfa although i don't see why it would harm to to let us know is is how many [3033.82] NJ: people are because i know personally a fair few people that have just said you know this is this [3039.26] NJ: is ridiculous i'm out and i've just walked away from from the hobby and from the bmfa and from [3045.26] NJ: from the whole thing and i'd love to know if there's statistically if there's something there [3051.1] NJ: that's noticeable i mean i guess maybe even you know simon dale might have that information with [3056.86] NJ: with fpv uk as well he may have noticed that with all this coming in people just disappearing [3061.98] NJ: saying i'm just i'm gonna do something else or coming off the distance still flying [3069.1] Jack: in in france i read somewhere that you know their registration thing and their numbers dropped [3075.58] Curry: i can't remember my thoughts i did a sort of survey on youtube using the little youtube survey [3082.94] Curry: tour a few months ago when it first came out and um only 400 people but 35 saying we're not doing [3090.94] Curry: it uh only three percent said they're sort of selling up and going somewhere else but the the [3096.62] Curry: majority of people either wanted to say no not registering no matter what um as as opposed to [3105.1] Curry: people that thought it was a good idea although there are a few people also saying we're going [3109.18] Curry: to wait and see but could be bravado but there's certainly a lot of kickback and you certainly do [3115.1] Curry: get the impression from people that it's not it's not worth the hassle it's supposed to be fun [3120.38] Curry: yeah uh and i don't want to you know so people who are flying in more public areas they just [3124.86] Curry: you know they're there for fun they don't want to be hassled by every member of the [3127.82] Curry: public saying where's your registration i'm calling the police there's there's a point in [3131.66] NJ: that curve though that the bit that worries me is there's there's a point as you say you get the [3135.98] NJ: kickback you get where everyone goes hang on you're ruining our hobby we've done nothing wrong [3140.14] NJ: and you know there's a lot of positivity in what we do and it you know even down to people who [3147.42] NJ: you know you see people that are for instance wheelchair bound and like this is there this is [3152.86] NJ: just the greatest thing ever for them you know there's there's so many positive things from it [3157.26] NJ: but that what happens when you get past that point where it's like you rebel from it you [3162.38] NJ: try and protect it but then there are people who be like this is now getting ridiculous every [3166.22] NJ: step we take to rebel against this is falling on deaf ears and it's if it's a constant it's just [3171.98] NJ: this cascade of falling on deaf ears again and again and again and these consultations basically [3178.94] NJ: kind of coming to nothing from our side that's when i think we'll start to see that figure [3184.06] NJ: reveal itself when when people two three times down the road it's like right that's it i've [3189.02] NJ: now officially had enough of this um so yeah i think that that particular space is is i think [3196.14] NJ: we're on the cusp of where that might we might start to see people just vanish from the hobby [3199.58] Dom: which is obviously terribly sad yeah the other concern i know yeah just a couple of thoughts [3208.38] Dom: now i mean from my own point of view since all the pushback on eden valley a couple years ago [3212.94] Dom: it definitely tempered my flying um just because i'd got so acclimatized to having such a comfortable [3219.82] Dom: safe place to fly in all the time and now i because i i guess you guys are all flying in [3225.58] Dom: a lot of places for a period of time when i was just flying at hidden valley i don't necessarily [3232.14] Dom: feel i know the other places so it just curtailed my flying because i don't know where i feel [3237.98] Dom: comfortable flying without some twat with a dog coming and just just thinking i'm trying to bring [3243.1] Dom: down passenger jets or whatever it is but more more sensibly i think the in terms of statistics [3248.94] Dom: i think what simon simon dale's up to at the moment with flight safety board is is spot on [3254.3] Dom: i think you know statistics are always key for policy makers and i think simon's working with [3260.62] Dom: the with the uh uh flight safety board to actually try and get some real measure on whether these [3266.7] Dom: drone incidents are real drone incidents or not or not and i think it's it's without creating [3273.9] Dom: you know saving the hobby isn't going to change policy arguing that you're creating industry used [3279.98] Dom: to do that but now it's all sort of bottlenecked up into whether somebody can get a big backhander [3285.02] Dom: from amazon or not and that's pretty much it and my my sort of narrow field i think it's it's you [3291.02] Dom: know commercial drone pilots flying cameras for the odd bit of uh you know five minutes on a [3297.5] Dom: country watch show and so on they're not really they're not really kind of um they're not really [3302.06] Dom: kind of a big enough lobby uh to to turn the politicians heads whereas all the people who are [3309.98] Dom: apparently pissed off for not getting a flight at gatwick those are the people we've really got to [3314.3] Dom: change the hearts and minds of in policy yeah great telling them that the hobbyists aren't [3319.02] Dom: flying drones anymore doesn't make a lot of goods and at the end of the day the MPs [3322.86] Dom: cash shag all for anything apart from whether they're going to say something that the voters [3327.58] Dom: might puddle down to the voting booths and vote for and i just don't think sadly that's going to [3333.02] Dom: be the hobbyists so trying to prove that the the the um the incident at gatwick uh was more or less [3342.3] Dom: a sales pitch for the anti-drone measures which don't work trying to prove some of the pseudo [3347.58] Dom: conspiracy theories are actually true i think those things could be much more embarrassing [3351.74] Dom: for policymakers uh and if you know i think if people start seeing incidents getting reported [3357.34] Dom: in the press doing what andrew's doing do what simon's doing and getting across those and uh and [3363.74] Dom: producing and producing um the counter evidence as as quickly as possible uh those those things [3372.06] Dom: are critical those things will put egg on the faces of politicians who will eventually stand [3376.3] Dom: up and say this is stupid we're wasting five million pounds of public purse on it counter [3380.86] Dom: drone measures which are just vaporware uh that's embarrassing to politicians uh i think it's about [3387.98] Dom: putting them on the spot in the same way that they freely put us on the spot for enjoying flying [3392.62] NJ: so that's my yeah that's really really good point really well made um i will just give a little [3397.74] NJ: shout out to one comment in the chat which is uh gigawatts um saying being disabled myself [3403.66] NJ: being disabled myself fpv one of the only things that has not already had uh [3410.22] NJ: that i have not already had taken away from me i would be crushed if i ever had to give it up [3414.94] NJ: i mean you know things like that sort of say it all really you know we all love it as much as we [3420.86] NJ: do but there are people where this is where this is it means it's it's on another level of importance [3428.46] Dom: for people where it won't be for us you know andrew no this has anyone put forward a proper um [3436.7] Dom: sort of uh pitch to any government body to set up a pen testing group to penetration test these [3442.86] Dom: five million pound counter drone measures which are being which are just thinking public purse [3448.22] Frank: which depends on primary skills and things i have not heard of anything myself other than what you [3453.58] Dom: were involved in well i think we should i think we should get that together because uh you know [3459.58] Dom: personally i'd quite like to find that that quiet two hours at two in the morning to see if we can [3464.3] Dom: land a drone on gatwick airport with the police's permission but to see if these drone measures [3468.62] Dom: actually do anything because i think that vaporware and i think that money would be much better spent [3473.42] Jack: on um on that would be a great storyline you know what i'd love to see if anyone even phones it in [3481.5] Frank: yeah exactly i think it might possibly be a drone dousing rod well i've also noticed that [3488.86] Dom: the army took that back they only the one that they had up there would they loaned to go it didn't [3493.18] Dom: they only had it for three months till march so obviously drone flyers only attack in the first [3497.74] Dom: culture of the year but it's warm only come out on the warm weather it starts yeah exactly when [3507.5] Frank: it's nice flyable weather we don't we'll go and hide what does one of the things that has been said [3516.7] Frank: is about going back to the actual registration database and the amount the cost that's gone into [3524.3] Frank: that one of the things that i saw mentioned to someone was that they're gonna have to you know [3533.65] Frank: they've they've probably overspecced it massively or whatever they've put together because they've [3541.01] Frank: given themselves basically a month to sign up everyone i don't know i don't know how scalable [3551.73] Dom: these sort of things are as to whether it's probably a google sheet which kpmg charged 25 million quid for [3560.61] Jack: probably what were your concerns earlier because you were going to you said before dom started [3567.01] Jack: talking you said oh my concerns are can you remember frank no another swig [3575.17] Tony: swig in from the inspirational bottle yep now go go no sorry [3586.69] Frank: let's have a look in the chat um didn't the supposed sighting happen the day after the [3591.81] Frank: anti-drone tech left gatwick uh oh what you mean the the one last week [3600.93] Tony: it was probably it was probably from the same company who what the irony of this anti-drone [3606.21] Curry: tech is it seems to be able to um allegedly hone in on the drone to at least video it and that [3612.77] Curry: could be the only evidence that a drone actually exists and every time they take it away it keeps [3616.93] Curry: showing back up again it's like it's hiding from the cameras it's bizarre coincidence isn't it [3622.05] Dom: it's actually my company and i'm the salesman and every time i just ring up 999 so i've just [3627.41] Dom: seen a drone at gatwick job done yeah it's another sale it's easy maybe it's a quantum level of drone [3634.45] Jack: maybe it maybe it stops existing when it's observed yeah it's both there and not there [3643.65] Dom: at the same time jack the jack berg uncertainty principle well i think i mean it's not really a [3653.81] Frank: note to end on but no i was gonna say we're gonna have to just show things up a bit when i get i'm [3660.45] Dom: in a way at a conference next week but when i get back i'll get in touch with the uh ces and the [3664.61] Dom: cancer terrorism lot that i uh did that project with 18 months ago and um that that involved some [3670.69] Dom: pretty heavy heavyweight people and i'll see if anyone out there is up for but letting us do a [3675.57] Tony: bit of pen testing and then we'll come back on this without taking down by the drone thing would [3683.01] Jack: be what what that would be so you don't arrest us anyway no we'll do it and be like have you paid [3690.53] Jack: you 16 pounds get in the van and then you just turn your ass too [3698.29] Jack: don't there's a caveat i'll be totally up for it but i need that removed and the hundred pound [3705.57] Tony: and your my ass is yours jack if you've got a bottle to do that and show it on ldo [3716.13] Tony: i'll definitely pay for it [3720.93] Frank: well i tell you what you don't have to register for and that is turning up to mini air show [3726.45] Dom: next weekend come and see us yeah definitely gonna be there oh andy is it free for spectators [3734.61] Frank: yes it is it is still free for spectators i'm gonna turn up with a couple of friends and [3739.09] Frank: brilliant cool are any of them pen test people only on a software term [3747.49] Jack: okay so if any phantoms drop out the sky then we know who to blame just dji no [3758.37] Jack: right thank you for tuning in again to let drone out a massive shout out to all the sponsors and [3764.77] Jack: everyone who shows up and watches us live eight or nine on a thursday on youtube don't forget if [3770.45] Jack: you have got any spare change we have got a patreon that helps keep andrew frank seine and pays for [3777.33] Jack: our new editor that releases the episodes during the week which is amazing and he does a great job [3784.45] Tony: thank you um i've got to share to mega brenda what's up mum oh no tony's mum [3793.65] Tony: yes sir i don't know why the hell it's called mega brenda she is mega though because she's a mega mom [3799.49] Jack: yep no top last hello tony's mum this episode was sponsored by tony's mum you've been joined by andy [3808.13] Jack: frank bye andy rc good evening everyone help help help the police uh don robinson i managed not to [3818.21] Jack: swear this episode amazing oh i screwed that uh we've been joined by nj [3824.05] Jack: cheers guys see you soon tech and my little tone star [3830.85] Frank: bye everyone telemetry lost