=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 210 === Title: LDO 210 - Setting The Pace Recorded: 2019-09-05 Hosts: Andy, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant Guest(s): Gav (Scotland) Total audience: 2,267 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5tcac9NJ5s); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/678493695-letsdroneout-ldo-210-setting-the-pace.mp3) ===================================== [0.0] AndyRC: Hello, and you're listening to the best drone podcast out there, Let's Drone Out. [4.48] AndyRC: We would like to thank all of our Patreons, including [8.24] AndyRC: Mikey Dredd, as well as Art Faulkner. [12.4] Jack: And... [13.2] Jack: That's it. We've only got two out of the four 12 dollar Patreons [19.36] Jack: who would help pay for the editing for this train wreck of a show. [24.24] Jack: If you want to get your name read out, please donate to patreon.com forward slash Let's Drone Out. [63.28] Jack: Hello, and welcome to the second best show on the internet. [68.4] Jack: Let's Drone Out. Tonight we are joined by Andrew slash Frank. [73.68] Jack: Hello. [75.36] Jack: Andy R.C. [77.6] Jack: How's it going? [79.2] Jack: My little Coco. [81.28] Jack: Bonjour. [84.13] Jack: Daddy. [85.89] Jack: Hello. [87.09] Jack: Also known as CurryKitten. [90.05] Jack: Gav, who's Scottish. [91.57] Jack: He doesn't have a translator, but Andy R.C.'s going to repeat everything he says. [98.61] AndyRC: Get it up, yes. [100.85] Jack: That was... Andy, can you translate that? [106.13] AndyRC: Get it up, yes. We say something similar, it's like, of yours, right? [109.73] AndyRC: Get it up, yes. [111.97] Jack: And I am bright until I fly. [115.09] Jack: Hello, welcome. [117.01] Jack: Good evening. [118.61] Jack: And we're here to talk about what life is like flying FPV in Scotland. [124.53] Jack: Somewhere that possibly has worse weather than the UK. [129.17] Jack: Only for 10 minutes. [130.21] AndyRC: Hang on, well, well, Jack. [132.61] AndyRC: Scotland is part of the UK. [134.93] AndyRC: No, they're not. [135.57] Jack: They're not, they voted to remain. [139.65] AndyRC: Yeah, so they're part of the UK. [142.45] Jack: No, they've lined Adrian's Wall with explosives and they're going to blow it and float away. [152.29] SPEAKER_03: Right, well, yeah, I invited Gav on because I want to know more about what I've been hearing [160.37] SPEAKER_03: more about in the sort of race organisers chats that I lurk in, which is about a style [171.81] SPEAKER_03: of doing the finals at the FPV races called Triple Finals, which has kind of been frowned [183.41] SPEAKER_03: upon for many, many years, or however long it's been going, whatever. [187.73] SPEAKER_03: But it sounds like it's been quite popular in Scotland for quite a while. [194.29] SPEAKER_03: And now some of the English organisers have actually been to some of these events and [200.29] SPEAKER_03: seen how it's run and gone. [201.49] SPEAKER_03: Actually, that's quite good. [203.09] SPEAKER_03: We might borrow that and use that. [206.37] SPEAKER_03: So I thought it would be interesting to hear kind of a bit more about what that means, [213.25] SPEAKER_03: because I don't really know. [214.45] Tony: No, I just go into a bar and say, can I have a triple double and that's it. [222.13] SPEAKER_03: So, Gav, could you explain for us idiots who don't know what it means? [228.13] SPEAKER_03: What is a triple final? [230.29] Gav (Scotland): Triple final. [231.89] Gav (Scotland): So instead of just running a single race, winner takes all, we run three races. [238.29] Gav (Scotland): Basically, you've got your different groups, see if your A's, your B's, your C's, [243.01] Gav (Scotland): depending on whatever one qualifies. [246.13] Gav (Scotland): And the top ones, typically your top 12 pilots will run three races each in their finals. [254.37] Gav (Scotland): You get a couple of points for each where you come. [257.33] Gav (Scotland): And then basically whoever ends up with the least amount of points [262.05] Gav (Scotland): comes out on top at the end of it. [264.37] Gav (Scotland): We found last year, we did a lot of single finals and sort of knockout races. [271.17] Gav (Scotland): And someone could be totally on it all day and then get ran over in their final or video [280.13] Gav (Scotland): problems or something could ruin that one race and they'd lose out. [285.41] Gav (Scotland): So we thought, well, we'll give this triple finals a try and [290.21] Gav (Scotland): bring in a bit of consistency rather than just that one race count in. [295.49] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because the sort of the way that the national championships has been [302.77] SPEAKER_03: been run up to now has been sort of a case of saying, okay, that the finals, [308.13] SPEAKER_03: yeah, they're kind of a bit, you know, you could be lucky or unlucky and that can have [312.61] SPEAKER_03: a massive impact on it. [313.89] SPEAKER_03: So we're going to ignore the final results and we're going to do everything off the [317.73] SPEAKER_03: qualifiers for the rankings to pick who goes in the championships up to now. [323.81] SPEAKER_03: And then there's some suggestion that maybe using the triple finals, [330.53] SPEAKER_03: maybe that kind of evens that out enough that maybe we could, you know, [335.17] SPEAKER_03: do it off the final results from each event. [337.81] SPEAKER_03: And that was a very contentious point that's been talked about a bit at the moment that I've seen. [344.45] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, I think it was Matthew Evans had a good conversation backwards and forwards [349.17] Gav (Scotland): when one of the BDRA pages, we do everything slightly different. [356.29] Gav (Scotland): So we use the same sort of qualifying format, but instead of treating each qualifying run [362.53] Gav (Scotland): as an actual race, it's more as a qualifying run, much like conventional motorsport. [369.81] Gav (Scotland): So we use staggered stats. [372.53] Gav (Scotland): Each pilot gets shittied out. [374.05] Gav (Scotland): You go, so you're not, it's not head to head racing through the qualification runs. [377.89] Gav (Scotland): It's literally P setting. [381.81] Gav (Scotland): So we do that and you're typically we're getting five qualifying runs. [389.33] Gav (Scotland): Faster pilots are obviously coming around and catching the slower pilots, [393.73] Gav (Scotland): but typically you're flying in an open air to try and get your good laps in. [400.85] Gav (Scotland): We were using the same format there as many lapses you can get in a safe time. [405.73] Gav (Scotland): And yeah, we went from the sort of staggered starts qualifying to the heads up three times [416.93] Gav (Scotland): finals to finish it off and take that sort of your rank to how fast you can go. [423.09] Gav (Scotland): And then you're putting your triple finals to see who can actually race it out. [427.89] SPEAKER_03: Hmm, because it's also the, I think I'm right in saying that the scoring as well is sort of [436.93] SPEAKER_03: being borrowed from that same idea of that sort of the lower score gets you higher up the ranking. [442.37] SPEAKER_03: That's also been taken on for the British championships as well, I think. [448.21] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, we're pretty much just everyone's using the lifetime system. [452.69] Gav (Scotland): So we're pretty much relying on that. [455.17] Gav (Scotland): I think it's built in, you know, you can set up your triple mains. [458.77] Gav (Scotland): You get first, you get a point, you get second, you get two points. [461.81] Gav (Scotland): It's pretty simple. [464.37] Gav (Scotland): And it's worked out. [465.65] Gav (Scotland): We ran calendars, eight events. [470.61] Gav (Scotland): Our total miracle, the weather only managed to cancel one, [475.65] Gav (Scotland): which is a total miracle for up here, to be honest. [478.93] Gav (Scotland): We got our seven races ran and it all worked out pretty well. [485.09] Curry: So with that, sorry, Frank, with that system, I'm just wondering if it's mathematically [489.89] Curry: possible for people to end up with the same number of points. [492.53] Curry: And is there some sort of tiebreak system if that's the case? [496.05] Gav (Scotland): It comes down, who's faster on an individual run? [500.93] Gav (Scotland): I think it's from the finals. [502.37] Gav (Scotland): I think it comes down to who's faster in the finals. [506.37] Gav (Scotland): So it'll add together. [507.49] Gav (Scotland): We're doing finals typically over three laps or work out who did the fastest run. [513.01] Gav (Scotland): So if you had two people getting a first say, it'll work out who had the quicker first, [519.49] Gav (Scotland): and obviously it awards it to them. [523.09] Gav (Scotland): Cool. [523.97] Tony: And do you guys use VTX timing, don't you? [526.61] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, we use the VTX. [529.97] Gav (Scotland): The races I organised with the Edinburgh group, we get access to the full-blown TBS timer, [535.49] Gav (Scotland): the event timer, through our sponsorship where the cool toy shop. [539.97] Gav (Scotland): The guys through in Glasgow have got the immersion one. [543.33] Gav (Scotland): And they've been letting all the other clubs borrow their timer. [546.37] Gav (Scotland): So I think some of the clubs have got the Delta V's. [550.85] Gav (Scotland): We've got a Delta V kicking around somewhere as well. [552.93] Gav (Scotland): And so it's all in the VTX timing. [555.17] SPEAKER_03: This is a fun thing to watch as well. [556.77] SPEAKER_03: Because that was, again, something where, you know, [560.53] SPEAKER_03: discussion ads have been running events on the VTX timing. [564.05] SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, a lot of the, particularly the more Southern groups have been saying, [571.33] SPEAKER_03: VTX timing is never going to be reliable enough. [573.73] SPEAKER_03: It's never going to work. [574.93] SPEAKER_03: It's always going to be in-lapse. [577.25] SPEAKER_03: The transponders, it's going to have to be that way [579.49] SPEAKER_03: because it's just never going to be reliable enough. [582.53] SPEAKER_03: And then you lot all proved it worked. [585.49] SPEAKER_03: And then everyone went, oh, we'll do that then. [588.21] Tony: And it's so much easier for pilots because they ain't gone muck about with [593.01] Tony: five volt out and three volt out here and all that lot. [595.81] Tony: You can just turn up as long as you've got a good VTX. [599.17] Tony: Do you have to have a certain VTX running, or? [602.85] Gav (Scotland): We pretty much try and say to use, well, we say to use a CE marked VTX, [610.21] Gav (Scotland): which basically means use a Unify or a Tramp, basically. [615.25] Gav (Scotland): There's another couple that I can't remember off the top. [617.49] Gav (Scotland): And there is another couple of VTXs that are quite good. [621.17] Gav (Scotland): I think Matek do one that the timers pick up quite good. [625.81] Gav (Scotland): We don't nail it on, but it's highly suggested you use a Unify or a Tramp. [631.17] Tony: Don't turn up with a Chinese five quid VTX, which says 25 milliwatt and is never. [639.41] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, you turn up with a cheap Chinese VTX and the timer doesn't pick you up. [645.33] Gav (Scotland): Everyone's just going to laugh at you and you're going to get no sympathy from it on. [648.29] Tony: So how do you control your bubble? [654.77] Tony: Do you do one first and count everyone in, or how does it work? [659.65] Gav (Scotland): Don't get, I'm not quite catching this, really. [662.13] Tony: Do you do a practice and make sure everything works fine? [669.97] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, so typically start the day off. [674.37] Gav (Scotland): Well, going back, we've got a little bit of scrutiny around. [677.33] Gav (Scotland): So some of the groups have got the immersion wand, so we'll wand everyone. [685.17] Gav (Scotland): Obviously it can't pick up the channels and stuff, [687.01] Gav (Scotland): but nine times at 10, the video problems we've found [690.29] Gav (Scotland): is because someone's got a broken VTX or a broken antenna, sorry. [694.85] Gav (Scotland): So usually we can identify that sign and they can go away and fix our things. [700.05] Gav (Scotland): We'll run two practice rounds typically, unless the weather is mental [703.57] Gav (Scotland): and we'll maybe run a third one. [705.73] Gav (Scotland): And then five rounds of quality, and then five rounds. [711.17] Tony: Cool, it sounds good. [713.81] Tony: I mean, anything to not muck around with your rice court, it sounds good to me. [719.89] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it seems like it's just a so much easier system for the pilots, for the organizers. [726.53] SPEAKER_03: I mean, I remember, and I've seen so many events where you have like lone transponders and all [733.73] SPEAKER_03: that kind of stuff and it's like, nah, never again. [737.41] SPEAKER_03: God, I remember them days. [743.33] SPEAKER_03: With your particular Scottish weather, [746.77] SPEAKER_03: do you have to make any considerations with your tracks? [749.33] SPEAKER_03: Do you have to make them particularly... [751.89] SPEAKER_03: Indooring. [752.53] SPEAKER_03: ...bigger gates or something? [754.93] Gav (Scotland): No, not really. [756.69] Gav (Scotland): So, no, typically you just, you throw up a field and you go with it. [765.33] Gav (Scotland): The exception of that is I ran a race back in Easter at the local high school. [773.73] Gav (Scotland): We've got access to an affiliate extract there and the wind was absolutely ridiculous. [780.05] Gav (Scotland): So we've got these big rings that everybody hates [784.29] Gav (Scotland): and the wind was catching you just as you were going through the rings [788.13] Gav (Scotland): and it was pushing you off to the side. [790.53] Gav (Scotland): So when we ran our second round, which was the last round of our overall series, [795.65] Gav (Scotland): we kind of made sure that the rings were facing into the wind, [798.69] Gav (Scotland): so you weren't getting crosswind out through it. [802.21] Gav (Scotland): But you don't have to do too much. [806.45] Gav (Scotland): Pretty much normal setup. [808.37] AndyRC: Plus, you're acting like the temperature's a million miles different. [814.29] AndyRC: I think Scotland gets about a two degree difference than the rest of the UK. [821.09] AndyRC: It's just London is just like an oven because it's packed full of people who hate each other. [827.73] AndyRC: And it's the hate that makes everything hot, I think. [833.73] Tony: That's probably the best thing you've ever said on this library. [837.97] AndyRC: I could say better things. [840.29] AndyRC: I'm trying to behave tonight. [844.61] SPEAKER_03: We've also got coming up the British Championships, which is coming up soon. [850.69] SPEAKER_03: I can't remember how soon, actually. [852.21] SPEAKER_03: I did know and now I've forgotten. [854.13] SPEAKER_03: But that's coming up soon and there's... [856.05] SPEAKER_03: 20th September, I think. [859.57] SPEAKER_03: And there's, I think, is this the first year or is this the second year [864.61] SPEAKER_03: where we've had particular places based on the regions? [869.25] Gav (Scotland): I think it's the first year for regions. [871.73] SPEAKER_03: I think so. [872.45] SPEAKER_03: And so there's some particularly given up, [878.05] SPEAKER_03: sort of set aside, especially for the Scottish League, I guess, right? [884.13] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, I think in past years, I think last year we had a different organisation running the races [891.65] Gav (Scotland): and the organisation, Alan organised things with the BDRA and got certain places. [898.13] Gav (Scotland): We basically got all the Scottish groups together to form a little group. [905.01] Gav (Scotland): And I think it came down with the regional series, [907.17] Gav (Scotland): is if you could run a race that qualified as a regional race, [912.29] Gav (Scotland): for every race you put on, you got a spot. [917.33] Gav (Scotland): So we put on eight races. [919.17] Gav (Scotland): We were hoping each one was going to get enough numbers to qualify. [925.09] Gav (Scotland): We had two races up in Aberdeen and it was a bit of a trek [928.29] Gav (Scotland): for everyone down in Glasgow and Edinburgh. [930.29] Gav (Scotland): So we weren't 100% sure if those races were quite going to qualify as regional races, [935.17] Gav (Scotland): but pulled it off, they got the numbers. [938.69] Gav (Scotland): We ended up getting seven races to qualify as regional. [942.69] Gav (Scotland): So I think we've managed to get the eight [946.77] Gav (Scotland): because the last one might have been a BC as well, I can't quite remember. [951.65] Tony: So you guys in Scotland, the British champs are hoping for rain and wind. [957.97] Tony: Yeah, so it's like flying up back home. [960.93] Tony: Yeah. That's what happened in Florida. [964.05] Tony: The last time I flew a race was April in Florida. [969.01] Tony: And everyone's back out of hell and then it clouded over and the wind got up [975.73] Tony: and I took first base just because it felt like home. [981.65] Tony: So you guys would probably benefit from cloudy thunder and rain. [988.43] Tony: Not that it's like that at all times in Scotland. [990.91] Tony: It does have nice days. [993.31] Curry: Well, you say that, but where I used to work, we used to talk all the time to Greenook, [998.67] Curry: which is somewhere up in Scotland. [1000.19] Curry: And they had a saying about they could look out and there was apparently this island there. [1004.43] Curry: And it was, if you can't see it, it's raining. [1006.91] Curry: If you can see it, it's just about to rain. [1009.07] Curry: It's literally, that's it. [1010.91] Curry: It's going to rain there. [1014.24] Curry: I suppose a more pertinent question is how many deep fries Mars bars have you had? [1019.92] Curry: Getting back to Scottish culture now. [1021.52] Curry: This is what I know about. [1023.52] Jack: Well, that's what I thought a triple. [1026.08] Jack: What was it? [1026.64] Jack: Triple. [1029.68] Jack: Yeah, triple final. [1030.72] Jack: Yeah, it was like three deep fries Mars bars. [1033.36] Jack: You eat them all at once and you die. [1036.96] Curry: Well, it's the triple hype bypass you need after them. [1042.56] AndyRC: Yeah, everyone's got one. [1043.52] AndyRC: We've got Kelsey in the chat. [1044.8] AndyRC: I wonder if she ever goes up Scotland flying. [1048.32] Jack: Oh, where hasn't she been a little stop out? [1050.8] Jack: She's everywhere. [1051.68] Jack: If you look at it. [1052.48] AndyRC: I know. [1054.96] AndyRC: Me and Andy were flying with her. [1057.28] AndyRC: And then you look on Instagram the next day and like she's by the sea. [1060.88] AndyRC: And I'm like, we couldn't have been any further away from the sea. [1064.64] AndyRC: Yeah, she they do some crazy traveling those guys. [1067.84] Curry: She's got a dead taxi to use. [1069.68] Curry: That's like nonstop. [1071.68] Curry: Yeah, you just saw that you had to be the dad taxi. [1076.08] Jack: Yes, it's annoying. [1079.76] Jack: If anyone's wondering, it's back to school for curry kitten. [1084.64] Jack: Dad, I'm going for lunch at 12. [1086.72] Jack: I want to be picked up at two. [1089.52] Curry: Just go back, eat something and come back and get me again. [1095.28] Jack: You could eat with them and stare at them. [1098.0] Jack: Eat your mouth full of hate. [1100.4] Curry: Yeah, I'll teach them. [1102.24] Curry: I'm embarrassed and good enough just for spotting them. [1108.08] Jack: What's the weekend thing that we're going to? [1112.0] Jack: Frank, Tony, and maybe me. [1115.12] Tony: Well, I'm going to head corn this weekend, which is a adventing head corn. [1121.36] Tony: Head corn. [1121.84] Tony: Oh, it's a plate. [1124.64] SPEAKER_03: So we're going to the Southern model air show, I think is the proper name of the event in head [1131.52] SPEAKER_03: corn in Kent. [1133.76] AndyRC: That's almost France. [1136.0] AndyRC: That is what you do. [1137.92] Tony: And now you if you travel down, you get a nosebleed like, yeah, definitely would. [1144.32] AndyRC: If my car my car would make it that far. [1147.76] Curry: That way, south east rather than south. [1151.12] Curry: I like to think of myself as south. [1153.2] AndyRC: Okay, well, I typed it and I can see, I can see France in the same shot. [1159.68] AndyRC: And it's, it's pretty. [1161.92] Curry: It depends how far away you're looking from, though. [1164.88] AndyRC: It looks pretty close to France to me. [1170.64] AndyRC: Yeah, Kent made, yeah, South of Maidstone. [1175.76] Tony: Oh, right. [1176.32] Jack: Yeah, can't look like Tony fact everyone Tony doesn't know where Essex is. [1182.48] Jack: Worrying about Kent, isn't it? [1185.68] AndyRC: Yeah, Essex is massive though, isn't it? [1188.32] AndyRC: It's like, isn't it? [1190.08] AndyRC: Isn't it like a county? [1191.36] AndyRC: It's huge. [1193.68] Jack: Well, it's the birthplace of radio. [1198.64] Jack: What's all I'm going to say? [1200.0] AndyRC: I used to do a lot of carting. [1201.6] AndyRC: They've got a car track in Brentwood. [1204.24] AndyRC: That's Essex, isn't it? [1205.76] AndyRC: Yep, that is old Essex. [1209.04] AndyRC: I used to do some carting and some racing down there. [1212.48] AndyRC: Nice little track in Brentwood. [1214.64] AndyRC: Don't you come from there, Jack? [1216.64] Jack: Yep. [1218.24] Jack: I come from Chompson, Essex. [1222.16] Jack: Charles Dickens said it was the most boring spot on earth. [1226.0] Curry: I thought Jack came from Brighton. [1227.52] Curry: That's why he hates it. [1228.48] AndyRC: No. [1229.28] AndyRC: Is that why Katie Price lives there, though? [1232.16] AndyRC: She lives in Brighton. [1234.4] AndyRC: I thought she, I, she lived, uh, last, when- [1237.04] Jack: What are we talking about? [1238.32] Tony: This is what happened, sorry. [1242.72] Tony: We do- [1243.68] Tony: Tony forgets, you know. [1244.8] Tony: Don't go off-top. [1245.76] Tony: And we talk about Lobolics. [1247.6] SPEAKER_03: Tony forgets his own name sometimes. [1249.52] SPEAKER_03: Well, I didn't learn. [1250.8] Jack: Next, my dementia! [1253.2] Jack: Where are we going this weekend? [1255.2] Jack: Essex? [1256.24] Jack: Yeah, that's Ken. [1260.24] Jack: Where do I get this dog? [1266.32] Jack: I've got two dogs. [1267.44] Jack: That was quite good. [1268.8] Tony: Where did this come from, yeah. [1272.24] SPEAKER_03: After the, uh, the, um, the Nationals in a couple of weeks' time, [1278.88] SPEAKER_03: and the seasonal resets, are you gonna be jumping back into doing loads more events, [1284.72] SPEAKER_03: BQEs and things? [1286.08] SPEAKER_03: Or are you gonna be doing, like, loads of tiny whooping over the, [1288.88] SPEAKER_03: as the, as the weather presumably gets as bad as it has been here recently? [1294.16] SPEAKER_03: Or what's your plans for the rest of the year? [1298.32] Gav (Scotland): I can't see me putting on another event this year. [1301.6] Gav (Scotland): I think the Glasgow guys are gonna put an event on, [1305.44] Gav (Scotland): just to make up for the one that got cancelled. [1309.44] Gav (Scotland): We've got quite a regular tiny whoop night through in Edinburgh, [1313.2] Gav (Scotland): pretty much every Wednesday. [1315.92] Gav (Scotland): So there's talk about doing loads of whooping through the winter [1318.96] Gav (Scotland): and getting a wee, a wee whooply gonna go or something, [1321.84] Gav (Scotland): but nothing's sort of planned yet. [1324.4] Gav (Scotland): Just take it as it goes, really. [1325.92] SPEAKER_03: Nice. [1328.48] SPEAKER_03: What's, what's the name of the, the group? [1331.44] SPEAKER_03: I mean, do you, do you run it or are you just kind of running the event? [1334.48] SPEAKER_03: Or what's, what's the group? [1336.96] Gav (Scotland): It's also, it's very sort of loosely thrown together. [1340.56] Gav (Scotland): Um, we've got a little, a little group. [1343.6] Gav (Scotland): We're all there. [1345.04] Gav (Scotland): There's like a rep for each of the Scotland groups. [1348.16] Gav (Scotland): So there's, you know, we talk guy from Aberdeen, guy from Glasgow, guy from Fife. [1352.88] Gav (Scotland): We all sort of, you know, work, work between us and, um, [1356.64] Gav (Scotland): organize things and they've got guys that, you know, help them put on the events. [1361.6] SPEAKER_03: So if anyone is going to Edinburgh at any point sometime soon [1366.4] SPEAKER_03: and they want to see if there's a tiny whoop event going on, [1369.12] SPEAKER_03: is there anywhere particular they can find out? [1372.24] Gav (Scotland): There's a couple of places on Facebook. [1374.32] Gav (Scotland): There's the Edinburgh FPV community page. [1378.08] Gav (Scotland): Um, that's the overall community for, for sort of flying in Edinburgh. [1383.44] Gav (Scotland): And then, um, our group that puts on the events is the Edinburgh Drone Racing. [1388.64] Gav (Scotland): You can find that on Facebook as well. [1390.8] Gav (Scotland): And we'll put the events up on that and then share them around. [1394.64] SPEAKER_03: And we'll have to keep an eye on you as well. [1396.56] SPEAKER_03: Cause it seems like any, any new change in racing that you come up with, [1401.52] SPEAKER_03: we'll, we'll get to eventually. [1402.88] SPEAKER_03: So we'll just stay ahead of the curve by watching what you'll do. [1406.24] Gav (Scotland): Well, we've, we've been trying to do, but we, we thought we were behind the curve. [1410.88] Gav (Scotland): Um, so we were, we were trying to come more in line with, with everything down south. [1416.88] Gav (Scotland): Um, like last year, a lot of the races used, uh, [1420.32] Gav (Scotland): the fastest three consecutive laps as you're qualifying. [1424.16] Gav (Scotland): And we were like, now we've got to change that. [1425.84] Gav (Scotland): We've got to get in line with everyone else. [1428.08] Gav (Scotland): And now there's talk of everyone else going back to that. [1434.96] SPEAKER_03: So your hipster race organizes. [1436.88] SPEAKER_03: That's what you're saying. [1438.0] SPEAKER_03: That's it. [1438.88] SPEAKER_03: Train setters. [1439.76] Tony: Yeah. [1440.8] Tony: Mr. Frost is in the chat. [1442.64] Tony: Is he one of your, um, guys that you're sending down? [1445.68] Gav (Scotland): Yeah, he is indeed. [1447.28] Gav (Scotland): Um, I think there's, there's eight of them, um, all coming down. [1452.08] Gav (Scotland): I think I'm going to pop down myself. [1453.28] Gav (Scotland): I don't have a ticket unless, unless I can bump off one more guy. [1457.12] Gav (Scotland): Cause I qualify, I qualify 10th, one, one's canceled. [1461.12] Gav (Scotland): So if I can bump one more guy off, I can race myself. [1464.88] AndyRC: That guy, that guy absolutely destroyed us on Velocidrone. [1468.72] AndyRC: Didn't he mess the thrust? [1469.84] AndyRC: Remember ages ago. [1473.44] Tony: He's like an alien flying or something. [1476.48] Tony: He met the Scottish guys at the first ever British nationals. [1481.2] Tony: Couldn't understand what they were saying. [1482.88] Tony: A lot of others. [1483.84] Tony: They took us under their wing. [1486.4] Jack: But they were really not. [1487.28] Jack: They taught us how to survive in harsh climates. [1489.76] Jack: Yes. [1490.24] Tony: Cause it rained and stuff and they had everything that we needed. [1493.6] Tony: They were good guys. [1500.96] Jack: Me, me and Frank never looked at Nutella the same ever again. [1506.64] SPEAKER_03: Oh, since Ragley Hall. [1508.08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah. [1508.4] Jack: Yeah. [1508.96] Jack: Oh my God. [1510.48] SPEAKER_03: That was a broom weekend. [1512.56] Jack: Horrendous. [1513.2] Jack: I'm surprised I've got all my toes. [1514.96] Jack: They didn't like freeze off and snap. [1517.92] Jack: It was like the how I didn't die of pneumonia. [1521.04] Jack: I don't know. [1524.06] SPEAKER_03: This episode was recorded in front of a live online audience. [1527.18] SPEAKER_03: Downloaded and edited to make sense when it played audio only. [1530.7] SPEAKER_03: Censored to please the iTunes people, hosted on the internet, [1533.58] SPEAKER_03: forwarded through to your podcast provider, downloaded, [1536.14] SPEAKER_03: playing on your device and is now playing in your ears. [1539.18] SPEAKER_03: All thanks to our Patreons. [1541.26] SPEAKER_03: Consider joining them and you'll also get other online benefits. [1544.7] SPEAKER_03: Find out more at patreon.com forward slash let's drone out. [1549.74] Jack: Does anyone remember Enji? [1551.82] Jack: I remember him. He's a nice guy. [1554.38] Tony: I don't, I recall something about him. [1558.62] Jack: I can't remember what he looks like. [1560.46] AndyRC: Well, if you saw his last Instagram post, [1562.94] AndyRC: there was a picture of him holding a guitar with about 120,000 people behind it. [1567.98] AndyRC: Not all this. [1570.54] AndyRC: Which one would you choose? [1573.1] AndyRC: I think I know which life I would choose. [1575.1] AndyRC: I think he's very busy. [1577.42] AndyRC: He's got a busy schedule. [1579.5] AndyRC: Be nice to have in mind. [1581.98] AndyRC: He's emotional. [1583.26] Tony: He's not invisible this week. [1586.46] Curry: You need to do a train spotting time voiceover of like choose life, [1589.58] Curry: choose FPV instead of choosing like fame and fortune and playing guitar in front of him. [1595.34] Jack: Well, even I'm choosing. [1596.46] Jack: Do you reckon he'd cut his legs off his finger and his hand? [1600.06] Curry: I don't think he would. [1601.74] Jack: What? What the hell? [1603.98] SPEAKER_03: Jack and Kerry were streaming the most disturbing game in the world last night. [1610.7] SPEAKER_03: Jack was like, oh, this would be a funny little detective game. [1613.98] Curry: And I want to see that Jack cut off most of his own lips and then sacrificed a baby. [1622.78] Jack: Not in real life. [1624.7] AndyRC: That is a sample of life. [1626.06] AndyRC: Very similar to real life. [1627.66] AndyRC: I mean, you could have said that and Ida believed it to be honest. [1631.18] Curry: You can't let this game. [1632.14] Curry: You're going on a serious list. [1635.66] Curry: Oh man, I uninstalled it. [1638.22] Jack: He's already on a little bit. [1640.22] Jack: I miss NJ as well. [1641.9] Jack: So, Andy RC, if I hold something up... [1646.06] AndyRC: No, no, I fell for that the last time and we were in the disabled toilets and... [1656.46] AndyRC: And you took advantage. [1658.46] AndyRC: Yeah, he did. [1659.98] Jack: So like, what can I do about not enough memory? [1665.26] Jack: Script error. [1666.3] AndyRC: What can you do about not enough memory? [1671.42] AndyRC: And what are you doing? [1672.62] AndyRC: Do I have to talk about this? [1675.58] Jack: I mean, it can't be NDA because it's on Banggood. [1679.26] AndyRC: Oh no, no, it's not NDA. [1683.34] AndyRC: It's just talking about another controversial product that I just... [1692.94] Jack: Thank God. [1694.22] AndyRC: Well, I tell you what, if you have got a X9D discontinued version [1700.62] AndyRC: and you are running out of memory because it's six years old, [1705.58] AndyRC: maybe you could pick up the new version that has got a big approach. [1712.46] AndyRC: Did I tell you about the new terrain instead of that size work? [1715.5] Jack: Yeah, I mean, I happened to be on GitHub and I noticed that something's missing. [1724.51] Jack: Do you see anything missing? [1726.59] AndyRC: I don't see anything missing, man. [1728.83] AndyRC: You're not biting. [1731.07] Curry: Nobody else knows what you're talking about except for Andy. [1733.39] AndyRC: Ah, do you know why? [1735.63] AndyRC: It's not missing... [1738.19] AndyRC: This... [1739.79] AndyRC: I've got... [1741.07] AndyRC: Shall I... [1741.55] AndyRC: I mean, shall I talk about this for a bit? [1743.47] AndyRC: Yeah. [1743.95] AndyRC: I mean, I've got a video. [1746.03] Jack: Look, this is what happens to me, right? [1748.43] Jack: I switched my transmitter on. [1749.79] AndyRC: Well, the fact that it's saying Sega has taken up quite a bit of memory already. [1757.79] Jack: Yeah, and then I go menu and then I go to my SD card and then I go crossfire. [1764.19] Jack: And then I go into that and I go crossfire lilla, execute. [1768.91] Jack: And then it says waiting for crossfire devices, which is not a good... [1775.07] AndyRC: Sometimes it says error. [1776.91] Jack: Yeah, it kind of helps if I'm on a crossfire model [1779.63] Jack: so that my external modules are powered. [1783.15] Jack: That might help. [1784.43] AndyRC: Yeah, so I found a lot of stuff out today. [1789.15] AndyRC: Oh man, the video is probably going to be about 40 minutes long, but... [1793.71] AndyRC: Don't worry, you've only got 20. [1796.99] Tony: I'm just going to interrupt. [1798.99] Tony: N.J. must have been listening in because he's... [1802.59] Jack: N.J., if you hear this, I'm sorry about mentioning Sophie Ellis-Bekster. [1807.39] Tony: He sent a picture into our Let's Run Out chat and he's at the theatre, [1812.51] Tony: but next week I'm down, he said. [1814.35] Tony: So, N.J., you might be back next week. [1817.79] Jack: I've even got a bottle of Jack's tears for how much I miss N.J. [1823.71] AndyRC: Oh, he's got that on, but he's crying over. [1826.67] AndyRC: Oh, I know. [1827.31] AndyRC: Oh, N.J. [1832.19] Jack: I've got more of my electronics wet. [1834.51] AndyRC: Great. [1835.31] AndyRC: No, it's better than what's usually covered over your face. [1841.15] Jack: Look, it happened once in that disabled toilet and you won't let it go. [1845.07] AndyRC: You see, you see in Scotland they deep fry things, [1848.19] AndyRC: but down south they like sticking things up their bum. [1851.31] AndyRC: That's what I've learned. [1853.31] AndyRC: Only in Brighton. [1855.31] Jack: Yeah, I... [1857.39] Jack: Anything, that's... [1859.55] Jack: Anything goes up there. [1860.67] Jack: Socket set. [1862.67] Jack: This lighter. [1864.27] Tony: And back to the racing scene. [1867.47] SPEAKER_03: Andy, Taranis, that's a thing, right? [1871.55] AndyRC: Right, so this is the very poorly titled X9D plus SE 2019 edition. [1883.79] AndyRC: I think it's poorly titled because when you put a date at the end of something, [1890.67] AndyRC: it kind of suggests that next year you're going to have to buy the 2020 version. [1896.51] Curry: Is it going to be like FIFA every year? [1898.27] Curry: They're just released a new model, but they weren't ready for the year. [1900.99] Curry: They just scribbled out the 19 and put 20 in. [1904.35] AndyRC: So when I first saw this and powered it up and everything, I was like... [1911.39] AndyRC: I've been trying to be unbiased about F.R. Sky because I reviewed the X-Lite Pro. [1918.51] AndyRC: And when that turned up, it just basically had the access protocol on it and nothing else. [1925.79] Jack: Oh, disclaimer, Andy's talking. [1929.23] Curry: Any views expressed by any guest on the show are personal and may not reflect the views [1933.39] Curry: of hosts or the participants of the show. [1934.99] Curry: And we'd like to know if Andy is talking. [1937.55] Curry: Plus, please excuse all four Scottish accents that he may or may not do. [1942.83] Curry: Please continue, Andy. [1944.11] Tony: Please do another one. [1945.47] Tony: Can you do the rest of this in a Scottish accent? [1948.35] Tony: No. [1948.83] Jack: Oh, look, people don't need to listen to it. [1952.35] Tony: Tony, stop talking. [1955.47] Tony: Near their PC, because all I can hear is a mobile phone stuff. [1959.31] Tony: Andy, please do the rest of it in a Scottish accent. [1962.67] AndyRC: No offense to anyone. [1968.59] AndyRC: That just means I'm allowed to be offensive. [1972.51] AndyRC: My problem is I can only do Scottish words that have been said in still games. [1976.83] AndyRC: So when a word comes along that I've not heard in still game, it doesn't work. [1983.23] AndyRC: You've got a Scottish resource there. [1985.07] Jack: But you've hooked me in. [1987.47] Jack: How do you tell you Taranis, Gav? [1989.47] AndyRC: I can't even say Taranis in a Scottish accent. [1992.11] AndyRC: I don't think Taranis was that. [1993.95] AndyRC: Is that how you'd say it? [1994.99] Gav (Scotland): You just roll the Rs a lot. [1998.03] Gav (Scotland): And it kind of does most of the rolls the Rs. [2002.75] Gav (Scotland): The Taranis. [2004.11] Gav (Scotland): The Taranis, aye. [2005.63] AndyRC: That's it. [2007.15] AndyRC: It's a piece of it. [2008.43] AndyRC: The Taranis. [2009.87] AndyRC: At first I thought it was a piece of shit. [2013.07] AndyRC: But now I'd either awake it. [2017.55] AndyRC: You're in. [2019.95] AndyRC: No, right, OK. [2022.75] AndyRC: I don't know whether... [2023.71] AndyRC: Just watch my video. [2025.55] Jack: Have you released it? [2026.75] AndyRC: No, I'm seeing leads. [2028.99] AndyRC: I'm seeing painless tomorrow. [2030.19] AndyRC: So it's probably going to be Saturday when it comes out. [2032.19] AndyRC: But I filmed it and everything. [2034.11] AndyRC: When are they on sale? [2037.31] AndyRC: You can buy them now. [2038.27] AndyRC: The problem is, in short, I wouldn't buy it now. [2043.87] AndyRC: If you bought it now, you'd be an early adopter. [2046.51] AndyRC: Because all it's got is the Access Protocol D16. [2056.03] AndyRC: And that LR12, is that long range something or other? [2061.39] AndyRC: And then... [2061.95] Curry: That's the thing in then. [2063.95] Curry: The X9 Lite didn't have LR12, did it? [2068.19] AndyRC: Yeah, so they've added that. [2070.51] AndyRC: Yeah, this is the thing. [2072.51] AndyRC: This is the problem. [2074.59] AndyRC: Is that each time a new product comes out, [2078.35] AndyRC: they've developed OpenTX a little bit more. [2081.47] AndyRC: So you've got something else on it. [2084.67] AndyRC: So, what I will say... [2087.15] AndyRC: Okay, I will say... [2090.67] AndyRC: I wouldn't get it now. [2093.31] Jack: But I haven't got enough memory. [2095.79] Jack: Kind of like Tony. [2097.95] AndyRC: So, it comes with the external module. [2105.81] AndyRC: You can only use the XJT module. [2109.57] AndyRC: You can't use a multi-module. [2112.21] AndyRC: And you can use the R9 system, but not the Access. [2115.65] AndyRC: But, if you install a nightly build, [2122.64] AndyRC: when you do install a nightly build, [2124.64] AndyRC: you turn it on and it says, this is a nightly build. [2127.2] AndyRC: Do not fly, right? [2129.92] AndyRC: But, I install the nightly build. [2135.52] AndyRC: Crossfire works, Lee. [2137.12] AndyRC: So, it's not restricted hardware wise. [2140.4] AndyRC: They've caved and it's going to do crossfire fully. [2145.84] AndyRC: It has multi-module. [2147.44] AndyRC: It has R9 access. [2149.92] AndyRC: It's got everything that you can do on the current X9D, [2154.08] AndyRC: but it's got more memory. [2155.6] AndyRC: So, it does Lua scripts. [2158.24] AndyRC: It's got... [2159.92] AndyRC: What is strange is that it no longer supports a 3S voltage. [2165.12] AndyRC: It supports 2S and the reason for that [2168.32] AndyRC: is it's got a built-in charge circuit through the USB port [2172.56] AndyRC: that only charges lithium ion. [2178.32] AndyRC: Yet, it doesn't come with the battery. [2180.24] AndyRC: You have to buy the battery separate, [2181.92] AndyRC: but it's 3000 milliamp 2S. [2185.92] AndyRC: So, in short, I wouldn't buy it now, [2189.2] AndyRC: but if they act on all of these nightly build promises [2193.68] AndyRC: and that gets released as a proper version, [2196.96] AndyRC: it's going to be an absolute beast, this thing, [2199.84] AndyRC: because it's the same form factor, [2202.16] AndyRC: same ergonomics, whole sense of gimbals. [2205.28] AndyRC: I'm trying to think what it's got. [2207.76] AndyRC: Oh yeah, it's got... [2210.96] AndyRC: I think this is going to be a love-hate thing. [2213.28] AndyRC: It's got a scroll wheel here instead of the four buttons. [2219.2] AndyRC: So, that's taken some time to get used to, [2221.36] AndyRC: but other than that, yeah, it's a funny one. [2226.88] AndyRC: Because first of all, they said access was going to be available [2232.4] AndyRC: on the X9D eventually, [2235.76] AndyRC: but they failed to mention that you'd have to buy a brand new X9D [2239.92] AndyRC: that's got completely different hardware inside. [2243.68] AndyRC: So, yeah, the communication's been a bit sketchy [2249.68] AndyRC: and it seems like even they don't know the full direction. [2254.8] AndyRC: For example, if you want access on the... [2258.16] AndyRC: I found this out. [2259.68] AndyRC: You know, is it the QX7? [2261.84] AndyRC: That's a popular transmitter. [2264.96] AndyRC: And the Horace, they're both going to have to have new boards, [2270.48] AndyRC: which they're going to sell separate to put in them. [2275.6] AndyRC: So, they're not discontinuing those. [2279.28] AndyRC: The X-Lite, the first version has already been discontinued, [2284.08] AndyRC: so you can only get the X-Lite S and the X-Lite Pro. [2287.92] AndyRC: So, that's how they've sorted that out. [2291.2] AndyRC: But yeah, it's all a little bit messy at the moment. [2293.28] AndyRC: So, I ended the video saying I'm going to be sticking [2296.72] AndyRC: with my current gear until this overtakes it software-wise. [2303.52] AndyRC: And if it does, then it's going to be the go-to transmitter. [2308.48] Tony: Is it bigger than the old one or exactly the same? [2311.12] Tony: I've got the very, very, very first one, which apparently was smaller. [2315.28] AndyRC: Same molding apart from, obviously, this here. [2319.92] Jack: Japan radio scroll wheel. [2324.96] AndyRC: Yeah. [2325.76] AndyRC: Although it's a common misconception that FRSky copied the JR system. [2334.32] AndyRC: That's not true. [2337.04] AndyRC: They were an off-the-shelf mold that you could buy from a company called KST. [2344.48] AndyRC: Don't quote me on that, but it'll be in my video because I can't remember the name. [2349.68] AndyRC: But they bought the molds as an off-the-shelf product to save money [2355.2] AndyRC: so that they could devalue the internals [2358.08] AndyRC: so that it could be a cheap, affordable transmitter, but compete with Futaba. [2365.12] AndyRC: And then they come out with this access thing and those letters about... [2370.16] AndyRC: It doesn't make sense to me why those letters with Jumper went out, [2377.84] AndyRC: knowing that if they're using the same hardware as the others, it's inferior. [2386.56] AndyRC: So if you're going to use the Lua scripts with the Jumper stuff, [2390.48] AndyRC: you're going to have the same problems. [2393.52] AndyRC: Perhaps they were worried that they could retrofit the boards [2396.72] AndyRC: that they were going to release to upgrade the Q7 and the Horace. [2403.28] AndyRC: That's my theory, but I can't... [2406.16] AndyRC: That just... It's just a guess. [2407.92] AndyRC: That is. [2408.64] Tony: I'm still going to watch your video. [2410.88] Jack: I think it's the ER394. [2417.44] Jack: Chrissie asks, [2419.04] Jack: props off. [2420.64] Jack: I've had an issue where the ER349 does a sudden yaw [2427.76] Jack: when coming off the throttle after a full throttle punch-out. [2432.64] Jack: So I would appreciate a voice on a better tune. [2437.2] Jack: Tune Master, what do you suggest? [2441.52] Tony: Was that the ER version, did he say, or the diatone version? [2447.92] AndyRC: Because the ER... That's the Isheen version, isn't it? [2451.92] AndyRC: Yeah, it says the ER was the FX, wasn't it? [2455.44] Curry: Say that again. [2456.64] Curry: Wasn't the Isheen the 349SX? [2459.36] AndyRC: No, no, no, the 369SX was the diatone one. [2465.12] AndyRC: The ER, that was Isheen, the E-stud for Isheen. [2469.92] AndyRC: The E-stud for Isheen, and then the... [2472.64] AndyRC: Well, I was over there, but I can't see the box. [2474.8] AndyRC: I'm pretty sure mine... I'm pretty sure mine flew okay out of the box, [2480.0] AndyRC: but I did come up with a tune for the diatone 349. [2486.0] AndyRC: But when you say... [2490.32] AndyRC: So he's doing a punch-out, and it's yawing after the punch-out? [2494.64] Jack: Yes, sudden you're after the punch-out. [2498.96] AndyRC: I would say that that was probably something to do with the anti-gravity game. [2503.84] AndyRC: Maybe more oil, or something. [2505.84] AndyRC: Yeah, eye-gain issue, probably. [2510.16] AndyRC: Yeah, maybe either too little or too much, but I'd experiment with your eye-turn. [2518.56] AndyRC: Yeah. [2519.04] AndyRC: Yeah, and the eye-turn relax. [2522.32] AndyRC: Make sure it's R-P-Y, and not R-P, because R-P is roll and pitch. [2529.68] AndyRC: But yeah, it's a difficult one. [2535.52] AndyRC: I get asked all these questions, but unless you've got it there in front of you, [2540.8] AndyRC: it's kind of tricky to diagnose, but yeah, it sounds like an eye-turn problem. [2550.0] AndyRC: Problem. [2551.84] AndyRC: So I'd look into that. [2554.4] Curry: Hey, we got an email today from a viewer that ran into a problem. [2559.6] Curry: I will summarise his email rather than reading it. [2561.6] Curry: Basically, he was flying in London. [2565.68] Curry: He was in sort of a common area, in a gated community he lives, [2570.48] Curry: and the concierge called the police on him. [2573.04] Curry: They came around asking if he took photos of peoples and flats, [2576.48] Curry: and he's saying he only took people to the horizon of the sunset, [2579.36] Curry: and the police left didn't take any further action. [2582.72] Curry: But he's obviously a bit concerned about it. [2584.8] Curry: He understands the rules about 30 metres away from landing and taking off, [2588.56] Curry: and 50 metres distance from vehicles, people, buildings. [2592.72] Curry: So he wants more info about where you can or cannot fly drones, [2598.56] Curry: especially in London, which I guess is a tricky area. [2601.28] Curry: Although I found the most interesting part about that mail, I thought, [2606.32] Curry: was about the pictures and what you're allowed to take pictures of or video. [2610.88] Curry: Because unless you're actually going out and spying on someone, [2616.0] Curry: you're going to be using the images for terrorism or something like that. [2619.92] Curry: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. [2620.48] Curry: You're actually ready to take pictures of anything. [2622.32] AndyRC: Disclaimer, come on. [2623.52] AndyRC: I've already read it. [2625.28] AndyRC: I was just saying FR Sky, and you just said terrorism. [2629.84] Tony: Well, that's going to flag up now, because you both said it twice. [2633.92] Curry: Bombs, bombs in Tony's house. [2636.0] Curry: Under the bed. [2636.56] Jack: Nearly done, can't wait. [2639.36] Curry: This comes up quite often. [2643.52] Curry: I often hear about police asking for SD cards out of people's cameras, [2649.76] Curry: because they're saying, you're not allowed to take pictures of this. [2652.32] Curry: Even people have been in... [2654.56] Curry: I remember reading this from the register, [2656.16] Curry: people in Trafalgar Square or Buckingham Palace taking pictures of it, [2659.2] Curry: and they said, you can't take pictures of this, you might be using it for terrorism. [2662.0] Curry: It's like, apart from the fact it's a national landmark, [2665.04] Curry: they've got no rights to us to take pictures of you. [2668.96] Curry: So one thing is, it's like, well, it's non-new business, [2671.76] Curry: what I'm doing, as long as I'm not running after people and spying on people, [2675.44] Curry: and I can take pictures of what I like. [2676.96] Curry: There's no actual right for people in a public place to not have their photos taken, [2684.48] Curry: unless you're doing it for commercial purposes, [2686.24] Curry: where you might be publishing it and they're identifiable. [2688.48] Curry: That's a different thing. [2689.76] Curry: If you're just flying around filming stuff, you can do what you like. [2693.84] Curry: But, as for the position of where you can fly, [2696.8] Curry: I'd probably defer to Frank as a London resident and expert on all things the law. [2702.56] Jack: Yeah, so... [2703.12] Jack: Yeah, so, him and his little painless relationship. [2706.96] Jack: Yeah. [2707.36] Jack: I remember when painless used to like me more. [2710.72] Tony: Yeah, well, that was before he went... [2712.32] Jack: Oh, me and poor Andy R.C. left out in the cold like a couple of orphans. [2718.48] Curry: I'm not sure, I was just killing babies with you last night. [2722.08] Curry: Yep. Oh, we don't talk about that. [2724.8] Tony: This is so going to get flagged up. [2727.12] Tony: We have terrorism, killing babies, the Queen has been made... [2731.84] Jack: There's nothing that your Lexa hasn't heard before. [2734.88] Jack: Oh, God. [2735.68] Tony: Tony Dungatwick. [2736.72] Jack: Tony Dungatwick. Hashtag. [2738.56] Tony: Another one. [2739.68] Jack: Free Danny. [2741.04] Tony: I mean... [2741.36] Tony: I don't want that hashtag, the Tony Dungatwick, because I was there. [2746.0] Jack: Yeah, exactly. [2746.8] Jack: He admits it. [2747.52] Jack: And it's the end of crime, isn't it? [2749.12] Tony: Yes, on top of that bad flag thing. [2751.76] Tony: Do not use that in the editing, please. [2756.64] AndyRC: Editor, send that to me. [2759.36] AndyRC: He's going to have that as his... [2760.8] AndyRC: He's going to replace the Sega thing, that is. [2764.72] AndyRC: That week, I was there. [2769.36] SPEAKER_03: Well, anyway, yeah, back to the question. [2772.96] SPEAKER_03: So, there's a few things that I think are important. [2778.0] SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, I can't get the stream off of watching Curry. [2783.84] SPEAKER_03: So, Curry's now just the face of LDO for him. [2788.72] Curry: Mine's still on Gav. [2789.92] Curry: It's been on him all day. [2791.12] Curry: Yes. [2791.6] Curry: It's been on Gav all the time. [2795.12] Gav (Scotland): I'm looking at Curry. [2796.72] Gav (Scotland): I can see it's Curry. [2798.64] Jack: You know, talking about him, does it make you hungry? [2805.2] Jack: It makes me hungry sometimes. [2807.28] Tony: So, they have Haggis Curry up there. [2810.24] Tony: That's racist, Tony. [2811.36] Gav (Scotland): I can't see if I've had Haggis Curry now. [2815.28] Jack: Have you ever had Iron Brew and Milk? [2817.76] Jack: No, Iron Brew now, thanks to the sugar tax. [2821.6] Jack: Sorry about that. [2822.88] AndyRC: Everything is because of the sugar tax, though, isn't it? [2826.56] AndyRC: We just play it and keep going. [2829.44] AndyRC: Does Iron Brew reach as far south as you jack? [2833.04] AndyRC: Because, like, the fight goes... [2835.12] Jack: No, definitely. [2836.16] AndyRC: Are you serious? [2837.2] Jack: No, can't get it. [2839.84] Curry: Stocks on board, like, import stuff, like Americans. [2843.76] Curry: We just talk about places afar. [2846.8] AndyRC: Does that mean I'm not... [2848.32] Tony: If I can get Iron Brew? [2849.92] Tony: Yeah, man. [2850.56] Tony: If you can get Iron Brew, you're northern. [2852.96] Jack: Just talk over, it's Frank. [2855.12] Jack: Shut up, shut up, shut up! [2856.56] SPEAKER_03: Yeah. [2857.6] SPEAKER_03: So, in addition to the 30 metres when taking off and landing, [2862.24] SPEAKER_03: and the 50 metres during a flight, [2866.32] SPEAKER_03: there is also 150 metres separation required [2870.88] SPEAKER_03: from crowds and built-up areas, or congested areas, is the terminology. [2877.2] SPEAKER_03: And there's a definition. [2878.88] SPEAKER_03: This is something that I'm going to do a video with painters on, [2881.92] SPEAKER_03: because this is a new definition that I wasn't aware of, [2884.4] SPEAKER_03: because I hadn't read every page of the A&O. [2887.76] SPEAKER_03: But there is a definition. [2890.16] SPEAKER_03: I know, failure. [2892.08] SPEAKER_03: There is a definition of a congested area, [2895.2] SPEAKER_03: which is any area that is substantially used for industrial, commercial, [2900.4] SPEAKER_03: residential, or recreational purposes. [2903.2] SPEAKER_03: So that's where I'm kind of thinking, that kind of means nowhere. [2907.52] SPEAKER_03: But the CAA have said that it's kind of a bit more ambiguous than that, [2916.88] SPEAKER_03: and it's intentionally so, and there's a lot of kind of fluff around it. [2921.68] SPEAKER_03: But it basically means don't fly within 150 metres of the city, [2931.2] SPEAKER_03: which kind of precludes any flying in cities. [2936.72] SPEAKER_03: But they've also... [2940.96] SPEAKER_03: From what I can tell... [2941.68] Tony: Are you allowed to take off in the Queen's Park? [2944.8] Tony: No. [2948.03] Tony: So most parks in the city of London are a no-go. [2951.47] Curry: The congested area is an interesting thing as well, [2953.71] Curry: because if any of you guys watched, [2955.47] Curry: I used to do these meets called Mad Dogs from ages ago, [2958.67] Curry: and it was in a cricket field in Oxfordshire, [2962.91] Curry: just outside a very small village. [2965.31] Curry: And we actually had a CAA guy look at the place, [2969.15] Curry: and he defined that as a congested area, [2971.79] Curry: despite the fact that it was more countryside than you could ever imagine. [2975.47] Curry: That the ambiguity of what a congested area was always quite bad. [2980.75] SPEAKER_03: And therefore is a congested area by the technical definition, [2987.15] SPEAKER_03: but they've also said that it's kind of, [2990.43] SPEAKER_03: I think they're very unlikely to actually care about that, [2994.67] SPEAKER_03: unless you're actually causing some other trouble [2997.15] SPEAKER_03: than they're trying to get you on something, [2999.55] SPEAKER_03: is what they've kind of said reading between the lines. [3003.15] SPEAKER_03: So it's really annoying, it's a bit stupid, but there we go. [3007.63] SPEAKER_03: So there is that to be aware of. [3010.99] SPEAKER_03: There's also the no-fly zones, obviously around airports, [3016.03] SPEAKER_03: but there are other ones as well. [3018.91] SPEAKER_03: So around Buckingham Palace there is one, [3021.87] SPEAKER_03: around the MI5 building, all this kind of thing. [3025.07] SPEAKER_03: There's extra little no-fly zones that you have to be aware of. [3032.59] SPEAKER_03: The best place to see most of those [3035.15] SPEAKER_03: is noflydrones.co.uk is what I use to get at least an idea. [3044.35] SPEAKER_03: What I'm kind of disappointed about [3047.15] SPEAKER_03: is that we don't have one single place [3050.43] SPEAKER_03: where we can find out all this kind of stuff. [3052.75] SPEAKER_03: Because if you go on the French equivalent of the CAA, [3058.83] SPEAKER_03: they have a lovely map that down to the buildings [3063.23] SPEAKER_03: and levels of villages and all these kind of things says, [3066.51] SPEAKER_03: don't fly here, can fly here kind of thing. [3070.35] SPEAKER_03: Which it would be kind of nice to have, [3073.47] SPEAKER_03: and we don't have that in the UK. [3075.39] SPEAKER_03: We just have kind of, here's someone who's put together a tool, [3080.99] SPEAKER_03: they're not an official body or anything, [3082.59] SPEAKER_03: it's just they've collected no terms, [3084.83] SPEAKER_03: which are the notifications to airmen [3086.59] SPEAKER_03: and general kind of different sources of information [3089.39] SPEAKER_03: and collected it together and it's not official [3091.71] SPEAKER_03: and other people can have their own things [3093.15] SPEAKER_03: that were completely just made up. [3097.71] SPEAKER_03: If you own a building somewhere, [3099.39] SPEAKER_03: or even if you don't, if you just feel like, [3101.31] SPEAKER_03: I want to have my contact details put on this map to say, [3104.83] SPEAKER_03: if you want to fly here, contact me first, [3106.83] SPEAKER_03: and you can do that on noflydrones.co.uk. [3110.67] SPEAKER_03: But it's not an official thing, [3113.87] SPEAKER_03: you couldn't go to the police and go, [3115.15] SPEAKER_03: look, there's nothing on here, see, it's fine. [3118.03] SPEAKER_03: But it's a good kind of first pass to see, [3122.83] SPEAKER_03: is there something I don't know about? [3125.71] SPEAKER_03: But yeah. [3126.35] Curry: I'll tell you what I would really like to see as well, [3128.43] Curry: just going somewhere in a big open space [3130.67] Curry: and have a sign that says, drones welcome here. [3133.47] Curry: Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air? [3136.51] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that's the other thing. [3140.03] SPEAKER_03: There are model fields around the country [3142.83] SPEAKER_03: where you can fly model aircraft and say things like, [3147.15] SPEAKER_03: if you have insurance, public liability insurance [3150.27] SPEAKER_03: up to this amount, then you can fly here [3154.75] SPEAKER_03: between these hours on these days. [3157.23] SPEAKER_03: There are places like that, [3158.35] SPEAKER_03: and I've flown at many of those, [3160.51] SPEAKER_03: but they're not centrally recorded anywhere, [3164.99] SPEAKER_03: you can't look them up, [3165.87] SPEAKER_03: you just have to kind of stumble across them. [3168.67] Tony: We need an LDO app. [3170.75] Jack: Yeah, well, no, no, no, we don't. [3174.11] Tony: It'd probably be wrong, wouldn't it, every time? [3180.27] Tony: It's Harry Haggis, FBV's in the chat. [3183.39] Tony: That is definitely someone from Scotland. [3189.07] Tony: Sorry to interrupt you. [3191.07] SPEAKER_03: The other thing is there's also loads of places [3193.87] SPEAKER_03: that specifically ban you from flying model aircraft [3196.67] SPEAKER_03: or drones or whatever else [3199.15] SPEAKER_03: that you wouldn't know [3200.59] SPEAKER_03: unless you trawl through the local council's things [3204.75] SPEAKER_03: or they come and shout at you, [3207.79] SPEAKER_03: and that's not a good idea. [3209.47] SPEAKER_03: I think that's just kind of, it's not really fair. [3213.95] SPEAKER_03: If you're going to record local bylaws [3216.99] SPEAKER_03: and try and enforce them, [3218.27] SPEAKER_03: then you shouldn't just hide them in a filing cabinet [3222.35] SPEAKER_03: in a toilet cubicle in the basement, [3226.75] SPEAKER_03: mark beware of the tiger, it's not on. [3229.87] Curry: And the other thing there is people may ask you [3232.75] Curry: not to fly there, [3233.63] Curry: but they need a better reason than they don't want you to. [3236.99] Curry: I mean, if it's private property, that's one thing, [3238.91] Curry: but if they're saying it's not allowed here, [3240.35] Curry: then you need to say, [3241.55] Curry: well, can you point me to the bylaw and I'll check it out. [3246.27] Curry: Unless they're in a specific like owned bit, [3249.39] Curry: it's someone's property or something. [3251.63] Jack: What are the best reasons you've heard [3254.51] Jack: for people not wanting you to fly there? [3257.23] Jack: My personal favourite is it upsets my dog. [3262.19] AndyRC: Oh, yeah, I had that. [3264.11] AndyRC: Yeah, like last week. [3266.19] AndyRC: Yeah. [3267.55] AndyRC: So, yeah, did I read the disclaimer again? [3272.75] AndyRC: Did I say it? [3273.47] Jack: Andy's talking. [3276.11] AndyRC: That's not a disclaimer. [3277.39] AndyRC: That's just a warning. [3280.43] Curry: See previous disclaimer. [3281.79] AndyRC: Yeah, so, yeah, I was in the middle of like a review [3289.23] AndyRC: and some local lads came and joined like their fans. [3296.91] AndyRC: They watched the channel and stuff. [3300.27] AndyRC: And yeah, like some of them got like really young members [3308.59] AndyRC: of like family with them. [3311.07] AndyRC: And I was flying around and this lady's, [3317.47] AndyRC: I think like, you can't say Pitbull. [3322.27] AndyRC: Is it Staffordshire Bull Terrier, would you say? [3324.91] AndyRC: Because Pitbull's a band, aren't they? [3326.59] AndyRC: Pitbull's not allowed in this country. [3329.23] AndyRC: Well, it was one of them, as the Scottish would say, [3334.03] AndyRC: devil dogs. [3335.31] AndyRC: That's how they say it. [3337.23] Tony: Well, the nanny dog that we all talked about two weeks ago, [3340.99] Tony: was a really nice dog, Staffie. [3343.79] Tony: But the news have made them bad, yeah? [3345.95] Tony: That one? [3346.75] Tony: Yeah, that one. [3348.19] AndyRC: Anyways, like, you know, quite a lot of time, [3353.87] AndyRC: the owners love it because in this particular dog, [3358.43] AndyRC: it's been dearest for quite some time. [3361.87] AndyRC: When I'm flying around, obviously the dog starts to chase you. [3366.43] AndyRC: And so I was with these, you know, [3370.03] AndyRC: there's a couple of adults and some kids. [3373.23] AndyRC: And so I'm just flying around and stuff, you know. [3380.35] AndyRC: Trying to stay away from the dog really, [3383.15] AndyRC: but obviously the dog's chasing. [3385.15] AndyRC: And the lady comes up, swearing her head off and saying, [3392.43] AndyRC: she said, when you see my dog, [3394.91] AndyRC: can you land that effing thing? [3397.79] AndyRC: And I said, she said, it's scaring my dog. [3401.39] AndyRC: And obviously it's not scaring the dog, otherwise. [3404.91] Tony: It would run the other way. [3406.11] AndyRC: It would run the other way. [3406.99] AndyRC: So there's that. [3408.51] AndyRC: So I just said, could you just mind your language, please? [3416.83] AndyRC: Because there's some children here and she just went, [3419.15] AndyRC: she just took her head and walked away. [3422.11] AndyRC: Yeah, I had that recently. [3425.79] AndyRC: That was a weird one. [3428.43] AndyRC: You get it sometimes, but, you know, in general, [3432.99] AndyRC: people are interested more than not, you know, [3436.27] AndyRC: but you do get there. [3438.75] AndyRC: I was a bit like, you know, [3444.27] AndyRC: my quadcopter doesn't all over this field and require a bin [3449.55] AndyRC: and a man that has to come and pick it up. [3452.03] AndyRC: Your thing does, so why do you have more rights than me? [3457.15] AndyRC: And why is it not on a lead if it's so scared of everything? [3461.15] AndyRC: You know, I didn't say any of that, but... [3465.39] Curry: I have to say, there's very little control of dogs. [3469.87] Curry: When people think they're in a place where they can let dogs go. [3473.07] Curry: I don't know about you guys, [3473.95] Curry: but if you've got your stuff over the floor, [3476.11] Curry: dogs are obviously very excited and they run up to people. [3478.03] Curry: And I get my stuff jumped over all the time. [3481.47] Curry: And I almost never say anything, [3483.63] Curry: but sometimes I get stuff covered in bits. [3487.47] Curry: And when I'm in my goggles, I take my glasses off [3489.71] Curry: and that gets put on the floor. [3490.91] Curry: And if a dog's run over there, I turn into like, [3493.23] Curry: it's an episode of Scooby Doo. [3494.67] Curry: I'm searching around on the floor for my glasses, [3497.39] Curry: trying to find them. [3498.43] Curry: So, you know, I think dog owners [3500.11] Curry: could be a little bit more respectful as well. [3504.03] Curry: Because my dog likes, if he sees a picnic blanket out, [3507.63] Curry: she knows that there's food there and will go and jump on it. [3510.59] Curry: So I put her on the lead because I know that's going to happen. [3513.31] Curry: If other people know their dogs are going to jump on people, [3515.79] Curry: then take action to stop them doing it. [3518.35] Curry: And if they're going to run after a quad, [3519.63] Curry: you don't want them to put them on the lead. [3521.63] Curry: It's pretty easy. [3523.87] AndyRC: Yeah, responsible dog owners should put them on a lead. [3529.31] AndyRC: And the thing is, she's saying, can you land? [3532.03] AndyRC: And I'm like, I can't land because your dog's chasing it. [3537.15] AndyRC: So if I land, it's going to get props in its space, you know, [3540.67] AndyRC: the best thing for you to do is put it on a lead, [3544.83] AndyRC: and then I can land it. [3546.43] AndyRC: But she wasn't willing to do that. [3548.27] AndyRC: So what I do is I go to the other side of the field [3553.15] AndyRC: where the dog's there. [3554.99] AndyRC: And then I bomb it back faster than the dog [3558.51] AndyRC: and land in a safe place and go and grab it. [3561.15] AndyRC: I've gotten quite good at that. [3563.47] Curry: One woman wanted me to hover in place [3566.03] Curry: so she could retrieve her dog and then got all apathy with me [3570.11] Curry: because I was like moving around. [3571.47] Curry: I was like, I can't. [3572.27] Curry: This is not a quad I can hover if I'm hovering. [3574.67] Curry: I'm looking up in the air. [3575.47] Curry: I can't see if I'm over your head. [3576.91] Curry: So no, I'm going to have to take it away. [3580.03] AndyRC: I had one lady say, will you land that thing? [3584.11] AndyRC: So she's standing next to me. [3586.27] AndyRC: And of course, I came in for landing and she said, [3589.79] AndyRC: get that thing away from me. [3591.39] AndyRC: And I said, you've just asked me to land it. [3593.39] AndyRC: She said, yes, go and land it over the other side [3595.87] AndyRC: of the field. [3596.43] AndyRC: And I'm like, no, no. [3599.79] AndyRC: First of all, I don't have to land it. [3603.39] AndyRC: I'm just doing so because you're being a see you next Tuesday. [3608.03] Tony: And that's far too far to walk for a north enough. [3615.63] Tony: Plus if I, yeah, yeah, exactly. [3618.67] Curry: It's the north. [3619.31] Curry: Someone will make it if he lands anywhere else. [3621.71] AndyRC: Yeah, it's been there for five seconds. [3625.95] AndyRC: All of these people, though, aren't local people, luckily. [3629.95] AndyRC: So it's people that like go, oh, this field. [3633.95] AndyRC: I've not been here before. [3635.39] AndyRC: Oh, there's a guy buzzing a thing around. [3638.43] AndyRC: And, you know, I have the right of way with my sewing machine. [3643.23] AndyRC: I love dogs. [3644.03] Curry: Do you go after people and say, excuse, this is a local field [3646.99] Curry: for local people. [3648.67] AndyRC: We don't want your kind here. [3651.63] AndyRC: I love dogs more than people, which it's the owners [3655.63] AndyRC: that are the problem, not the dogs. [3657.39] AndyRC: Always the owners. [3658.91] SPEAKER_03: Mm hmm. [3660.83] SPEAKER_03: Well, as a last little note before we sign off, [3669.47] SPEAKER_03: because it has come to that time. [3671.79] SPEAKER_03: Fraser Steen in the chat is asking for some help [3677.15] SPEAKER_03: contacting local MPs [3679.87] SPEAKER_03: because his local park is being subjected to a public [3686.43] SPEAKER_03: spaces protection order that is going to basically mean [3691.79] SPEAKER_03: he's not allowed to fly there anymore. [3695.63] SPEAKER_03: Yeah. [3696.11] AndyRC: And they got shouldn't they be sorting out Brexit rather than [3699.63] AndyRC: like, you know, parks and drones and things. [3703.15] AndyRC: Yeah, you think you think so. [3706.51] Jack: You've got drones and an act of terrorism on Brexit. [3711.55] AndyRC: I only learned yesterday what eyes to the right and [3715.63] AndyRC: nose to the left mean. [3716.99] AndyRC: I thought they meant eyes and nose. [3721.47] SPEAKER_03: And on that note, Jack, can you sign us off before [3723.95] SPEAKER_03: Andy goes on a dangerous political spiel? [3727.87] Jack: Yep. [3728.19] Jack: No worries. [3728.67] Jack: Thank you very much for letting the drone out. [3730.75] Jack: You have been joined by Andrew Sashfrank. [3733.15] SPEAKER_03: Bye. [3734.27] Jack: Liability RC. [3737.92] Jack: That's you, Andy. [3739.36] AndyRC: Oh, sorry. [3740.0] AndyRC: What did you call me? [3743.6] Jack: Liability RC. [3745.52] Jack: Get it up there, you wee buddy. [3747.52] Jack: My little Tony. [3748.88] Jack: Bonjour. [3750.48] Jack: Curry kitten. [3752.08] Jack: Goodbye. [3753.2] Jack: I'm sweaty. [3756.18] Jack: As you go. [3760.5] AndyRC: Nah, trust me. [3761.3] AndyRC: I sweat way more. [3762.98] AndyRC: I think that's why I'm so good at the Scottish accent. [3765.86] AndyRC: I think something's going on now. [3769.94] Jack: Here's Cockney Rowan saying, save my dad. [3772.42] Tony: Oh, right. [3773.54] Tony: Cheers, cheers. [3776.02] Tony: That is how we talk without letting you Scottish people know what we're talking about. [3782.82] AndyRC: Or in trouble by the sounds of it. [3784.66] Tony: Yep. [3785.14] Tony: We know you know what we're talking about. [3787.46] Jack: And I'd be bright. [3789.62] Jack: Thank you very much, guys. [3790.82] Jack: See you next week. [3791.86] Jack: Like, subscribe, donate to the Patreon, [3794.42] Jack: or just send money directly to Andy-Frank in the envelope. [3799.3] Jack: Thank you. [3801.46] AndyRC: I don't see that. [3804.98] AndyRC: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, [3807.22] AndyRC: the best drone-based podcast in the world. 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