=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 231 ===
Title: LDO 231 - Menace Premier
Recorded: 2020-01-30
Hosts: Andy, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): Greg "Menace" Spencer, Mikey Dread
Total audience: 2,626
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy_xG36qrc4); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/753773323-letsdroneout-ldo-231-menace-premier.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out. The best, well the only UK FPV podcast
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[12.88] Jack: In particular we'd like to thank these guys. Art Faulkner. Mikey Dredd. Wacky Wes. David Powell.
[24.24] Jack: Thank you guys. You're the best. We can edit our podcast. Thank you.
[59.09] Frank: Good evening and welcome to Let's Drone Out. This is episode 231, a Menace special.
[66.61] Frank: And with us this week we have Tony Bojol. We have Mikey. Hello. We have Andy RC. How do you?
[77.01] Frank: We have Curry Kitten. Hello. We have Greg from Menace. Hello everyone. And I am Frank.
[85.57] Frank: And Tony, why don't you get us going with what you've managed to arrange for us this week?
[93.41] Tony: I just thought we'd have Menace back on for a chat. He's got some new products and
[99.09] Tony: Mikey's been heavily involved in it. So I thought we'd have a evening with a Menace guy.
[105.25] Tony: Seeing as I'm team Menace, Mikey's team Menace and Mr. Menace himself is here. We can have a chat.
[112.85] Greg: What have you been up to then Greg?
[115.01] Greg: What have we been up to? Okay. So I'll just start on a personal note and then explain a few things
[123.73] Greg: and then we'll move on to the products. But yeah, I've moved to a different country. I've moved over
[131.65] Greg: to France. We wanted a slightly different lifestyle to what we're having in the UK. So we thought
[137.81] Greg: we'd give France a go. So we moved over to France. It took a lot longer settling in than what we
[144.29] Greg: expected. So if you haven't seen any new designs from Menace in the last six, seven months,
[150.13] Greg: the reason is because we've been relocating. But now we're all settled here. I'm back in the
[157.41] Greg: helm in designing away. So tonight, thank you for having us on the show. And we've got a product
[166.93] Greg: we'd just like to talk about and go from there really. Cool. What is the product? Okay, so we
[177.25] Greg: are known sort of predominantly for antennas. And what we've been working on is a frame.
[185.49] Greg: Very nice. I think I have one of them. So we came out with a frame about,
[195.89] Greg: it was over a year ago, we came out of a frame called the physics, which was aimed ultimately
[201.49] Greg: at racing. And it was received really well in the marketplace and a lot of people adopted it and a
[207.25] Greg: lot of people using it for racing. But as soon as you release a racing frame, a lot of people ask,
[213.57] Greg: have you got a frame for FPV freestyle? And a few guys were using the physics for freestyle,
[223.01] Greg: but it wasn't giving them the most enjoyable experience for freestyle, because obviously,
[228.13] Greg: the physics frame was designed for, you know, agility and speed around a race circuit,
[235.33] Greg: whereas freestyle frames are more or less designed around center of gravity balance and
[242.29] Greg: just basically pure enjoyment for that floaty, flying, full on stunt experience.
[250.29] Greg: So back at the beginning of 2019, Mikey, who's with us tonight,
[263.57] Greg: he got in touch with me and he was saying, look, Greg, I've got this idea for a freestyle frame.
[270.85] Greg: And if we take your SLAM frame, which was a frame we've done about three years ago,
[278.29] Greg: and we redesign it with elements of the physics frame, we should be able to come up with a really
[284.21] Greg: good freestyle frame. So me and Mikey had this discussion and I sort of said to Mikey, well,
[290.53] Greg: how's your design skills? How's your 3D CAD skills? Do you fancy having a go at the whole thing?
[297.57] Greg: And Mikey was like, yeah, come on, send it to me, send me the files. So that's what we've done.
[303.41] Greg: And he got stuck in to come up with what we've got here today.
[310.45] Tony: Very nice. Well, I've had the frame for six months and Fraser Steenenchach just wants to know
[317.17] Tony: what it's called so he can bugger off, he said, because he thinks it's going to be called the
[322.13] Tony: Tony frame. Well, it really is called. You should explain why he shouldn't bugger off,
[329.17] Tony: first of all, maybe. Well, he's just being silly, he won't go, he's staying the tune.
[334.29] Greg: Crazy, you have to stay because we're going to talk about loads of cool stuff.
[339.33] Greg: The name, Mikey, do you want to give the name? Yes, it's Menes Dreadnought.
[344.93] Tony: Dreadnought, is that something to do with your Mikey dread?
[349.41] Mikey Dread: It's actually, well, it's one of the most feared battleships in World War One, actually.
[359.01] Mikey Dread: Most powerful, most dangerous. Dreadnought, it means fear nothing as well. So it's just a cool
[365.97] Mikey Dread: name. It is a cool name. It's kind of got a bit of Mikey dread in it as well. So a bit of a homage
[371.97] Mikey Dread: to me putting a bit of effort into it, I guess. So Fraser, you thought it was going to be called
[378.13] Mikey Dread: the Tony frame? Everybody in the team has been involved, so it could have been called the Tony
[383.09] Curry: frame, to be fair. I should have called it the Flat Earther. So did you go through any prototypes
[388.21] Curry: on the way you're getting it done? Yes. So you'd have to build them up over and over again, fly
[393.49] Curry: them and say, I think we just sort of tweak this arm a bit, that sort of thing. That's right. So I
[397.17] Mikey Dread: give Greg the original design that I've done on the 3D CAD. So he got that cut for me, which he'd
[404.85] Mikey Dread: done locally in his house originally with all his equipment. And I flew that and basically
[412.53] Mikey Dread: ironed out any problems that I was having. Probably flew it for probably four months before
[419.89] Mikey Dread: any stress fractures come out in the frame or anything over a number of crashes. And
[427.73] Mikey Dread: we made a few design changes and went from there, sort of thing.
[431.57] Mikey Dread: And tried another frame and haven't broke a piece of carbon on that since. So that's the one we went
[437.01] Tony: with. I must say, I've had this six months and crashed it a few times and I haven't broke
[442.77] Tony: anything yet. Show us yours, Tony. What have you got on there? Hero 7, obviously a Menace antenna.
[454.8] Tony: And Mikey, tell them about the battery situation because you don't put the battery on that way.
[460.32] Mikey Dread: What's it called? It's toilet tank style, which is my favorite way to use the battery on the quad.
[468.32] Mikey Dread: So basically, like Greg was saying earlier on, he had the Menace Slam 5,
[473.12] Mikey Dread: which was my favorite frame. And what I would do to it, which I have one here, a snap one,
[479.6] Mikey Dread: which they don't make anymore, unfortunately. And I used to cut the holes in a toilet tank
[486.4] Mikey Dread: because I couldn't fit a GoPro on it. And it was the best flying frame I've ever flown.
[491.84] Mikey Dread: And Greg stopped making it. And that's when I said, look, can we do something towards
[500.24] Mikey Dread: the Slam 5? Because that was my favorite flying frame. And I wanted to get it flying as close as
[504.32] AndyRC: I could to that as possible. For the viewers that might not understand the term toilet tank,
[510.16] AndyRC: can we explain what that means? And obviously, it's the battery on the side,
[517.04] Tony: but where does the name toilet tank come from? It originates from Jack, but he's not here to
[523.36] Mikey Dread: defend himself. Well, maybe it's not even a right setting.
[531.2] Tony: Yeah, I've called it that before. I've heard it called that as well.
[534.56] AndyRC: What's the reason for calling it that, though? No one knows.
[540.72] Greg: I don't know where the name toilet tank originates from, but I think I'm glad it's not just me.
[546.24] Curry: No, I suppose it looks vaguely like the old fashioned systems up on the up on the top.
[552.16] Curry: Although they weren't they weren't often faced off at a 90 degree angle from the rest of the
[555.76] AndyRC: wall, to be fair. Well, we'll go with the term anyways, because we know what you mean. So you're
[563.04] AndyRC: mounting the battery sideways. But this somehow you're finding is better for the center of gravity
[569.52] AndyRC: for freestyle when it comes to things like prop wash and stuff like that, are you finding?
[577.52] Mikey Dread: Just all right. When you kind of tighten the package up on a core copter frame, get it all
[582.72] Mikey Dread: closer to the center of gravity and to the center of frames, it just seems to fly much better.
[588.64] Mikey Dread: Got you. But you can also have the battery run in the normal way if you like on it. So,
[596.32] Mikey Dread: you know, it's got option build options on it.
[599.36] Tony: It does. Yeah, you can you can have it either way. I've been flying it to a tank and I must
[604.24] Tony: do enjoy flying it that way. It does feel much nicer than the other way. Yeah, just
[611.36] Tony: I don't know. It just feels bad to me. I don't know. Agreed. I think about it. Agreed.
[617.2] Tony: I do like flying it. And you can if you've got a physics frame, you can swap
[624.56] Tony: arms. So if you're out in the field and you've got a racing frame, you can and you want a freestyle
[629.04] Tony: and you break a break an arm, which I've not done yet because they're what, five mil thick.
[634.72] Greg: Yeah. I have to probably stop you there, Tony, because I think on the very first
[641.28] Greg: prototypes of the Dreadnought, we were using the same fixing sensors as the physics.
[648.64] Greg: But it became evident very quickly after the first prototypes that we wanted a system of
[654.32] Greg: much stronger arms, not only for strength of the frame, but also to minimize vibrations.
[661.92] Greg: So you get that silky smooth camera shots if you're doing that sort of FPV cinematic stuff.
[667.52] Greg: So what we ended up doing between us was we worked out a system with the arms where all four arms,
[675.2] Greg: they lock together in a unique way. It makes the whole five millimeter carbon layer where the arms
[682.16] Greg: are pretty much like one piece of solid carbon, making it very rigid, very strong and very stable
[691.36] Greg: for videoing. It is very good. So yeah, sorry, it doesn't take the physics arms.
[702.48] Frank: Are there any other features on the frame that we should know about?
[712.16] Frank: How well does it fit the new DJI stuff? Does that fit into it?
[718.48] Greg: There's heaps of room in the frame itself. It's designed to take like your standard 36 millimeter
[728.4] Greg: flight stacks or 30.5 millimeter fixings. It will also take a 20 millimeter flight stack,
[736.4] Greg: but there's heaps of space in there. I must admit we haven't tried the DJI kit in there,
[742.4] Greg: but looking at the specs of it all, it should fit in, no problem.
[750.64] Greg: The design up front, currently it's designed for like a 19 millimeter FPV camera. So for the DJI
[762.8] Greg: system, we'd probably have to change it or do a 3D printed part for the front end to cater for the
[768.72] Greg: camera. But once that's done, yep, it should all go in, no problem. RC Labbotics asks, is it 4k
[777.2] Greg: carbon? No, this one is actually 3k carbon. We stuck with 3k carbon because after the first
[787.92] Greg: prototypes were onto the second and it turned out that this design was extremely strong. So
[795.68] Greg: we kind of stuck with that because it was working really well for us.
[801.76] Frank: Because I don't actually know myself, what's the difference between the different
[805.28] Greg: k's of carbon? What does it mean? Anyone know? Precisely, I don't know.
[817.92] Tony: Sorry, you can see it better in full.
[822.64] Frank: Richard Boruck asks, what about 1080p carbon? Yeah, on the same way, Rich.
[829.04] Tony: So you're doing a competition as well with something to do with how much it weighs,
[836.16] Greg: is that right tonight? Yep, so right, for all the guys in the chat, let's just hold the frame up
[841.6] Greg: again so you can see it. And you can also hop onto the website, we've got it on our website now.
[847.52] Greg: So there's some clear pictures of it there. So yeah, what we will do, let's do a competition,
[856.4] Greg: guess the weight of the frame, post what you think it weighs in the live chat, the nearest
[864.24] Greg: one to the exact weight of the frame, and that's the weight of the frame for the carbon
[868.56] Greg: with all the hardware fixing, as you see here. We will send out a goggle antenna pack to them.
[879.52] Tony: I love that antenna pack. Very good. We've already got some people waiting in the chat
[884.72] Tony: guessing. So keep guessing, guys. So what we've got there, 112. How many guesses
[892.08] Curry: are people allowed? So I can already see two from one person. What each? Just trying to stop people
[897.68] Curry: doing every single possible combinations. Also, we should say also that you can use a decimal
[902.4] Tony: point and add some more figures after that. 111, 123, 99, 121, 98. I would suggest guessing to one
[914.16] AndyRC: decimal place. Just to go back to the 4K carbon thing, I don't believe there is a 4K carbon. I
[924.64] AndyRC: think it goes 3, 6, and 12. So it is how close the weave is, basically. Think of it like
[934.8] AndyRC: if you had a 3D printer, the layer height kind of thing, or how much resolution. So you see the
[945.6] AndyRC: weave of the carbon. If you went from 3K to 12K, the diamond shapes that we see would be
[955.28] AndyRC: much smaller and condensed. So that's what it means. I don't think 4K carbon exists,
[964.0] AndyRC: or it's not a standard if it does. It's 3, 6, and 12. So I'm reading here, it says that it's
[971.52] Frank: the number of carbon fiber filaments in each bundle of carbon. So the higher K gets is stiffer,
[983.36] Frank: but it's more brittle, for reasons. But lower K is a little bit less stiff, but has more...
[997.04] AndyRC: Did you change the background to carbon fiber, or has that always been there?
[1002.56] AndyRC: I always just noticed. Very good, Frank. Very clever. Thank you.
[1011.68] AndyRC: Has anybody guessed the right weight whilst I was saying that?
[1016.48] Tony: No, I'm looking. No. Oh, is there a near? Is there a near?
[1024.4] Curry: That's the thing. If no one guesses right, someone is going to have to go through all this
[1028.8] Curry: as I do closest. Somebody very near.
[1035.68] Curry: Is there a recommended kit, or is it pretty much put what you like on there and it's going to fly
[1040.88] Mikey Dread: good? On mine, I use all-in-one basically. That's probably the best route to go down.
[1050.96] Tony: Probably is the best because of these quite thin arms. So I've done the same as you.
[1057.92] Tony: Went with an all-in-one PSC, and then it's got really tough standoffs, isn't it? Metal standoffs.
[1064.08] Tony: Have you gone 4S or 6S? Just stayed 4S, because all my batteries are 4S,
[1070.48] Tony: and it's freestyle. I don't really need to change to 6S personally. But what about you, Mikey?
[1076.48] Mikey Dread: 4S just making transition to 6S.
[1079.52] Mikey Dread: Not you? You can use the menis props kits on the arms. They fit perfectly.
[1086.08] Mikey Dread: Oh yeah, look at them. Nice.
[1089.44] Jack: Show us your stack in there as well.
[1096.93] Curry: Yeah, there's a fair amount of space left to do for more work.
[1099.89] Mikey Dread: Been through the wars.
[1102.93] Tony: Still going though. There's loads of space, isn't there?
[1105.89] Mikey Dread: Yeah, the camera has plenty of protection as well.
[1111.57] Mikey Dread: Yeah, I do love the protection on there.
[1113.73] Mikey Dread: So does the antenna that's out the way as well, which is nice.
[1117.33] Tony: Yeah, do the 3D printed parts on the website.
[1121.01] Mikey Dread: Yeah, just print them off.
[1123.57] Greg: Yep. If you go to the Dreadnought page on the menis website,
[1127.73] Greg: there's a link there over to the 3D files on Thingiverse.
[1133.73] Greg: These are the files that Mikey has designed.
[1135.97] Greg: So there's the GoPro Session, and then a GoPro Hero,
[1140.93] Greg: and then also there's the Antanamite for the Thrasher antenna.
[1145.01] Tony: Okay, I've got the seven on here as well.
[1147.49] Tony: Did you do that, Mike?
[1149.01] Mikey Dread: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've done that for you, didn't I?
[1152.93] Tony: Yeah, yeah, so I'll run the seven on there. I love it.
[1156.93] Tony: Just even with the seven on it, still perfect balance.
[1160.13] Tony: I mean, I just literally put the battery back a tiny bit.
[1164.93] Mikey Dread: Yeah, that's why I've done extra holes so you can move it back and forth.
[1169.25] Mikey Dread: Yeah, it's great.
[1169.97] Mikey Dread: 360, 4S, different weight batteries.
[1175.41] Mikey Dread: What cap package did you draw up the model in?
[1179.17] Mikey Dread: Fusion 3D, yeah.
[1182.29] Greg: Fusion 360.
[1187.01] Mikey Dread: No longer were you working on it, Mikey.
[1189.49] Mikey Dread: A long time.
[1192.21] Mikey Dread: Yeah, I don't know.
[1195.33] Mikey Dread: I kind of had ideas before I started it,
[1198.53] Mikey Dread: through Emmett Gregg, and then we obviously got in the team chat
[1202.05] Mikey Dread: and find out what everybody else was looking for in a frame,
[1206.21] Mikey Dread: got their ideas, and then put it all together.
[1208.61] Mikey Dread: But we knew from the beginning we wanted it to look like the physics,
[1212.37] Mikey Dread: because that's a really nice looking frame,
[1214.53] Mikey Dread: and that's why we wanted to base it around.
[1216.61] Mikey Dread: I wanted the feel of the Sclam 5.
[1220.29] Mikey Dread: That was important to me.
[1223.65] AndyRC: Do you have a background, Mikey, in CAD,
[1226.37] AndyRC: or is it a self-taught thing?
[1229.01] AndyRC: Because I spent around about six hours in Tinkercad the other day,
[1234.53] AndyRC: and I made a cube.
[1238.61] AndyRC: Self-taught.
[1240.93] AndyRC: A lot of phone calls to Gregg.
[1243.65] Mikey Dread: Okay.
[1246.13] AndyRC: I would love to get into, because thanks to NJ Tech,
[1249.89] AndyRC: I'm really getting into 3D printing,
[1251.81] AndyRC: but I want to make my own parts.
[1253.81] AndyRC: I did make my own part using Tinkercad,
[1256.45] AndyRC: which you can actually quite do a lot with Tinkercad,
[1259.89] AndyRC: but it takes forever.
[1262.85] AndyRC: But I imagine Fusion 360 is even more intense
[1267.49] AndyRC: when it comes to making stuff, is it?
[1272.77] Mikey Dread: I'm at the lower end of it,
[1274.13] Mikey Dread: so when you're designing a frame,
[1278.45] Mikey Dread: but you can do so much on it.
[1280.37] Mikey Dread: Oh, I know.
[1281.49] Mikey Dread: Based on very advanced and I'm nowhere near.
[1285.17] Mikey Dread: Learning every time I use it, basically,
[1287.41] Mikey Dread: well, I think most people are.
[1289.01] Mikey Dread: But as a guy, if you ever want to learn how to use it,
[1292.77] Mikey Dread: Lars, Greg knows his name, Lars.
[1295.01] Mikey Dread: He's Lars from Fusion.
[1298.77] Mikey Dread: He's an absolute genius to teach you everything.
[1301.33] AndyRC: Amazing.
[1302.69] AndyRC: Yeah, it looks so time-consuming.
[1305.97] AndyRC: I've got it, because it's free, isn't it, if you're a student.
[1309.41] AndyRC: And I open it up and I have a lump in my throat,
[1313.01] AndyRC: and then I have to close it.
[1314.77] Frank: Andy, I think maybe we'll have to maybe put together
[1318.29] Frank: some tutorial videos, then.
[1321.41] Mikey Dread: I seriously think that once you do one design,
[1325.73] Mikey Dread: one drawing, you kind of get the basics of it,
[1328.05] Mikey Dread: and you learn from there so much easier.
[1331.25] Mikey Dread: So just doing one evening, doing one of his designs,
[1335.33] AndyRC: and that gives you the basics.
[1337.25] AndyRC: I'll have a go of it, because yeah,
[1339.41] AndyRC: I really enjoyed the Tinkercad thing.
[1342.21] AndyRC: Those six hours went by really quickly,
[1345.57] AndyRC: but it's quite intense trying to get...
[1349.81] AndyRC: For me, it was for getting the sizing right.
[1354.05] AndyRC: If you want a hole in a particular place,
[1357.01] AndyRC: you've got to get the measurements right
[1358.85] AndyRC: and everything like that.
[1360.93] AndyRC: Yeah, but I did it.
[1362.45] AndyRC: I made a little tiny cube with some holes in it.
[1365.57] AndyRC: Well done.
[1368.85] Tony: They're still guessing in the chat, Greg.
[1370.69] Tony: Have you seen anything?
[1371.65] Greg: Yeah, I've been watching avidly
[1374.29] Greg: while you guys have been chatting with Mike.
[1377.41] Greg: We've got two guesses which are very close.
[1384.69] Frank: So Greg, besides the frame,
[1389.89] Frank: how's things been going at Menace?
[1391.81] Frank: What have you been working on?
[1392.93] Frank: Have you been housed like the Pico patches
[1395.97] Frank: and all the other things that you've been doing?
[1398.61] Greg: Yeah, cool.
[1400.61] Greg: So I don't know if you guys are aware,
[1403.81] Greg: but there's some digital FPV goggles on the market.
[1408.13] Greg: Never heard of them.
[1410.77] Greg: By a company called DJI.
[1414.29] Greg: They seem really good.
[1415.33] Greg: So what we've been doing,
[1417.57] Greg: we've been working with one of our other
[1418.93] Greg: Menace pilots in Italy
[1420.53] Greg: and been working through antennas
[1424.37] Greg: for the digital system.
[1426.05] Greg: And I know Andy RC's been doing
[1431.09] Greg: quite a lot of testing with it as well.
[1432.93] Greg: I've seen some stuff on his channel the other day.
[1435.33] Greg: But yeah, we've got an antenna pack.
[1439.97] Greg: We've just signed it off for production
[1441.81] Greg: and it should be coming in about two weeks
[1444.69] Greg: once China kicked back in
[1446.93] Greg: and as long as there's no virus stuff going on,
[1450.21] Greg: we should be getting stuff in
[1453.49] Greg: with these DJI HD antenna packs.
[1457.09] Curry: So Greg, sorry to interrupt.
[1459.81] Curry: Did you analyze the very basic antennas
[1463.65] Curry: they've got on there to see exactly what they did
[1465.65] Curry: and sort of how is your stuff going to enhance that
[1469.33] Curry: in terms of it's going to go twice as long or whatever?
[1473.01] Greg: So what we were doing was looking at
[1477.01] Greg: improving the FPV experience.
[1478.69] Greg: So it wasn't necessarily about increasing range as such
[1485.17] Greg: because David David, who we work with in Italy,
[1489.81] Greg: he's been doing a lot of flying in bandos,
[1494.21] Greg: indoor spaces and things like that
[1495.73] Greg: with lots of reflections and so on.
[1497.97] Greg: And what we were discovering was that
[1503.25] Greg: the standard antennas do hold up
[1506.61] Greg: in a lot of situations
[1509.01] Greg: and they perform extremely well.
[1513.57] Greg: But what we also found,
[1517.49] Greg: it was more of a process of trial and error
[1522.37] Greg: rather than actually taking one of their antennas,
[1525.89] Greg: taking it apart and trying to figure it all out.
[1528.45] Greg: It was more or less of,
[1530.53] Greg: let's see what we've got in the range of our antennas.
[1532.93] Greg: Let's see what we can use with those goggles
[1534.77] Greg: and let's see if it improves the experience or not.
[1538.13] Greg: So tried all these different antennas on the goggles itself
[1542.93] Greg: and it ended up that we only needed to change
[1546.77] Greg: the bottom two antennas to patch antennas.
[1550.61] Greg: And what that gave was a much clearer image
[1557.25] Greg: in a bando situations.
[1559.97] Greg: So for example, well, you can go and see David's video.
[1564.61] Greg: It's up on YouTube and he is David Angeletti,
[1571.17] Greg: if anyone wants to look for it.
[1573.01] Greg: But he's got a video there
[1574.45] Greg: and you'll see him flying with the different antennas
[1577.17] Greg: in a bando and he flies
[1580.93] Greg: and you'll start to see the imagery pixelating and so on.
[1584.77] Greg: But when he puts on the menace antennas,
[1589.73] Greg: flying exactly the same location,
[1591.97] Greg: this pixelation seems to go away.
[1594.05] Greg: I mean, I must admit,
[1595.01] Greg: we do need to do further testing and analysis
[1598.69] Greg: on these DJI goggles
[1599.73] Greg: because it could be that we may be able to get more
[1603.01] Greg: from the DJI system.
[1605.41] Greg: But what we've found so far,
[1607.25] Greg: but by just adding these two antennas,
[1609.09] Greg: you end up with a very capable system,
[1611.17] Greg: especially in indoor spaces or bandos.
[1615.09] AndyRC: Yeah, the problem with the DJI thing is as well,
[1618.21] AndyRC: after I've been doing some testing as well,
[1621.33] AndyRC: is that you can go to one location,
[1624.85] AndyRC: use a particular antenna set up and get great results.
[1630.21] AndyRC: Take that same antenna set up to somewhere else
[1633.17] AndyRC: and get completely different results,
[1637.09] AndyRC: terrible results even.
[1638.93] AndyRC: And I think it's just due to the complexities,
[1643.25] AndyRC: all of the different methods that DJI have employed
[1647.33] AndyRC: when it comes to rejecting interference
[1651.57] AndyRC: and stuff like that.
[1653.17] AndyRC: The digital world is so much more intense than analog
[1657.97] AndyRC: when it comes to trying to eradicate reflections
[1662.69] AndyRC: because it just works differently than analog.
[1667.97] Greg: Yeah, I would certainly think the basis of the transmission,
[1673.57] Greg: you would have a carrier wave
[1675.97] Greg: and then you'd have a modulation wave to that carrier wave,
[1678.45] Greg: and the modulation wave would be the digital signal.
[1682.37] Greg: That is essentially the same for analog and digital,
[1685.33] Greg: but then what DJI are doing inside their goggles,
[1689.73] Greg: that's the bit that no one really knows.
[1692.69] Greg: And that is the bit where you could be experiencing
[1697.49] Greg: a different experience in the same or different location
[1702.93] Greg: with the same antennas and so on and so forth.
[1705.57] AndyRC: Yeah, now while they're using this cyclic delay diversity,
[1711.57] AndyRC: that's why you've got the two antennas,
[1714.37] AndyRC: I found this out.
[1715.25] AndyRC: So it sends and receives the signal twice
[1719.41] AndyRC: in case one receives an error, it picks up on the other.
[1723.73] AndyRC: And so depending on the location and certain reflections
[1729.09] AndyRC: and stuff like that, you seem to get different results.
[1735.01] AndyRC: But yeah, I think you're on the right path
[1739.25] AndyRC: because when I did a video on what antennas
[1743.17] AndyRC: that you should use with the goggles
[1745.81] AndyRC: and people chose convenience over
[1752.93] AndyRC: how much range that you got, if you got a better signal,
[1757.89] AndyRC: people chose the convenience over,
[1760.69] AndyRC: yeah, I just won't fly that far.
[1764.21] AndyRC: I prefer that I could just sling it in a bag
[1767.65] AndyRC: and it doesn't take up much space kind of thing.
[1771.73] AndyRC: So yeah, I got a lot of that in the comments.
[1774.85] Greg: Yeah, absolutely.
[1775.89] Greg: I mean, it's all about the overall FPV experience.
[1779.01] Greg: And I think with the DJI goggles,
[1780.45] Greg: they can do quite a range already at the box.
[1784.69] Greg: So on 25, obviously, that's a different game altogether.
[1791.01] Greg: But in places like America now,
[1794.29] Greg: when you go up to the higher power,
[1795.73] Greg: then they're busting quite a bit of range already.
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[1826.05] Curry: I suppose a bit useful to know what DJI do
[1829.09] Curry: because I guess because it's a digital signal,
[1831.89] Curry: a lot of their stuff inside is all about
[1834.21] Curry: how they're processing that signal,
[1835.81] Curry: how they're coming in with their various diversity
[1838.69] Curry: sort of packets and trying to rearrange stuff.
[1841.01] Curry: And I guess it might be possible to build an antenna
[1844.85] Curry: to sort of suit what it's doing,
[1847.49] Curry: or they could potentially change the way their software works
[1851.33] Curry: to work with different antennas in a different way.
[1854.21] Curry: But yes, they're not fun of sharing that information, are they?
[1857.97] AndyRC: Well, it's not that they're not fun of sharing it.
[1863.81] AndyRC: It's that because it's a product that transmits close to your head,
[1870.77] AndyRC: it has to be certified by the FCC,
[1874.61] AndyRC: and it also has to pass the CE, like particular CE laws.
[1882.61] AndyRC: So when they've gone with RPSMA and left hand polarization,
[1889.01] AndyRC: it was because the antenna had to be of a,
[1894.61] AndyRC: if you look at the clause of a unique coupling.
[1898.45] AndyRC: So yeah, that's why DJI,
[1903.25] AndyRC: they don't want you to switch the antennas
[1905.33] AndyRC: because you're not supposed to in America.
[1910.13] AndyRC: You can in Europe,
[1912.61] AndyRC: and of course people will switch the antennas, of course.
[1915.49] Tony: I've seen everyone switch.
[1917.01] AndyRC: Yeah, exactly.
[1919.01] AndyRC: Well, yeah, but you're supposed to read the manual,
[1922.69] AndyRC: which, you know, what blokes or anonymous do,
[1925.01] AndyRC: but it does say in the manual.
[1928.21] AndyRC: It does say in the manual not to switch them, but...
[1931.65] Curry: Or your brain will melt.
[1933.73] Curry: Yeah.
[1935.33] Tony: Keep guessing, lads.
[1936.69] Tony: Richard Boric's getting there with about a million guesses so far,
[1941.73] Tony: and wins keep going.
[1943.25] Tony: Have we got anyone really close?
[1945.65] Tony: You know, little secret chat.
[1948.21] AndyRC: You are right, though, Wayne.
[1952.77] AndyRC: The transmission methods is only like half of it.
[1956.53] AndyRC: What they're doing with the DF DSP,
[1959.09] AndyRC: digital signal processing, each side,
[1962.61] AndyRC: you know, it's something no one else has managed to do.
[1965.89] AndyRC: So they're not going to give that away, are they?
[1968.77] AndyRC: I don't think.
[1970.21] Curry: Oh, no, no.
[1971.01] Curry: But it just strikes me that they could potentially,
[1975.33] Curry: they might do something different with different antennas
[1979.49] Curry: because it's like, oh, we now don't have to prioritize
[1983.97] Curry: something or other and trying to rearrange something
[1986.85] Curry: and do funny pixelated things.
[1988.69] Curry: We could use some different algorithm to do something else.
[1991.89] Frank: Yeah.
[1992.05] Curry: But they're pretty switched on at the same time.
[1994.93] Curry: I expect the software to be developed over and over and over.
[1998.29] Curry: And probably at some point, it will say,
[1999.65] Curry: we've noticed you've changed your antennas.
[2001.41] Curry: We're shutting down now or something like that.
[2003.17] AndyRC: No, I don't think they'll be able to do that.
[2004.85] AndyRC: Not.
[2006.05] AndyRC: We're appointing you.
[2007.17] AndyRC: They won't be able to do that.
[2008.61] AndyRC: But what I'll say.
[2010.61] Frank: Ben Spini says it's disclaimer time.
[2013.97] Frank: We haven't had that.
[2014.61] Frank: So we should probably have that.
[2016.37] Curry: Everyone is very well behaved.
[2018.53] Curry: I should say.
[2019.97] Frank: As I'm talking about all FCC.
[2023.01] Frank: Yeah.
[2025.17] Frank: So, Kerry, are you ready?
[2026.85] Curry: Yes.
[2028.37] Curry: Any views expressed by any guests on this show are personal
[2031.73] Curry: and may not reflect the views of the host
[2033.57] Curry: or any participant of the show.
[2036.85] Curry: Thank you.
[2037.65] Curry: That covers our behind.
[2041.01] Curry: Including mainly me today, who's coming up with wild theories
[2043.97] Curry: about what DJI do in the software.
[2046.45] Greg: Conspiracy theories.
[2049.41] Curry: So talking of things you can and can't do,
[2052.29] Curry: what, just out of interest, is the situation like in
[2055.65] Curry: France as far as FPV and flying goes?
[2058.93] Curry: And are they a bit more chilled about it?
[2061.09] Curry: They're just going to say, don't worry,
[2062.45] Curry: have a glass of wine and go do your flying.
[2065.41] Greg: And in France, I'm not fully up to speed with all the sort
[2072.45] Greg: of regulations or future regulations.
[2075.81] Greg: But I would imagine it's going to be something similar
[2080.21] Greg: to what we're seeing in the UK or similar to in the US
[2083.49] Greg: and things like that.
[2084.93] Greg: I mean, where I am at the moment, I'm not actually flying
[2090.61] Greg: with groups of people.
[2093.41] Greg: We're quite isolated.
[2094.93] Greg: Flying on my own.
[2096.21] Greg: So I'm hoping to get plugged into clubs and groups out here.
[2101.33] Greg: And then I should be able to learn more about the scene
[2105.65] Greg: and learn more about the legalization
[2109.01] Greg: and things like that here.
[2113.06] Greg: Cool.
[2114.82] Tony: Are Menace working on an MCX antenna?
[2120.18] Tony: MMCX.
[2120.74] Tony: MMCX.
[2122.74] Tony: What did I say?
[2124.18] Tony: MCX.
[2125.94] AndyRC: I love this Lexic.
[2127.06] AndyRC: So it all looks like a rapper name, doesn't it?
[2130.74] Greg: MCX.
[2133.46] Greg: A rude rapper.
[2135.54] Greg: Yes.
[2136.66] Greg: Yeah, MMCX.
[2139.38] Greg: UFL.
[2140.34] Greg: Tiny antennas.
[2142.02] Greg: Yep.
[2142.34] Greg: I've got a design.
[2144.42] Greg: I've been working on design for quite a while.
[2146.34] Greg: And as probably I've said before on previous shows,
[2149.38] Greg: I don't release anything until I'm totally happy with it.
[2153.86] Greg: So I've got a design.
[2157.46] Greg: I've been working on it for probably a year,
[2161.54] Greg: maybe over a year.
[2163.22] Greg: It's a very tiny antenna and it will be MMCX and UFL.
[2170.1] Greg: I'm getting really hopeful that we should be able to do something
[2173.3] Greg: and release this in about Q2 this year.
[2176.26] Greg: Is this on the goggle side, quad side or both?
[2180.02] Greg: This could be on both sides.
[2181.54] Greg: It'll be an omnidirectional tiny antenna.
[2184.66] AndyRC: Because if there's one thing I've learned about doing videos on antennas
[2188.82] AndyRC: is that people want them as small as possible.
[2192.66] AndyRC: So that's good news.
[2194.58] Greg: Yep.
[2195.06] Greg: Yep.
[2195.7] Greg: We've got some interesting alternative solutions for these tiny antennas,
[2203.3] Greg: but we will go over that when the time is right in the future.
[2207.86] Tony: Where can we add you back then?
[2210.18] Tony: Second quarter of...
[2211.78] Greg: Yeah, Q2.
[2213.54] Greg: If everything goes to plan, yeah, we'll come back Q2
[2216.58] Greg: and we'll talk tiny antennas.
[2219.7] Greg: Is that when we can also expect the DJI solution?
[2226.42] Greg: The first round of the DJI stuff is about two weeks into release.
[2233.54] Greg: Oh, wow.
[2234.5] Greg: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2235.22] Greg: So we're looking at mid-February on that one,
[2237.94] Greg: if all goes well with the production.
[2240.9] Tony: Oh, nice.
[2241.94] Tony: That's good.
[2243.54] Tony: Nice.
[2244.02] Tony: They're still guessing, Greg.
[2245.94] Tony: Yeah, I know.
[2246.66] Greg: I'm just trying to catch up in there to see if anyone's nailed it.
[2249.7] Mikey Dread: I've been keeping my arm.
[2252.42] Mikey Dread: Have you seen anyone?
[2254.18] Mikey Dread: There's one very close.
[2256.42] Tony: There is one very close, isn't there?
[2259.14] Frank: Outside of the FPV scene, Greg,
[2263.7] Frank: how's your waterworks going?
[2267.06] Greg: How's my waterworks?
[2268.18] Greg: That's the best thing I've ever done.
[2269.14] Mikey Dread: That's a beautiful question.
[2271.38] Greg: We'll talk to you all for you now.
[2273.22] Greg: Yeah, that's fun.
[2275.06] Greg: And it's a massive project because it's a water mill that I'm in
[2280.98] Greg: and basically converting it to generate electricity.
[2286.02] Greg: So, yeah, it is what it is.
[2290.98] Greg: It takes time.
[2292.66] Greg: It's a whole area that I've never really been involved in before.
[2297.7] Greg: And, yeah, I'm learning every day on it.
[2301.38] Greg: So, yeah, it's interesting and very excited to generate my own electricity.
[2307.22] Greg: And hopefully, one day, you can switch the mains off.
[2311.38] AndyRC: You're not the only person excited about it, though,
[2314.98] AndyRC: because the videos blew up, right?
[2317.62] AndyRC: I just watched them.
[2318.42] AndyRC: I was like, this is amazing.
[2320.58] Greg: Yeah, I can't remember.
[2322.74] Greg: It's probably 18, 90,000 people that have watched some of the videos.
[2327.94] Greg: When I started doing it, I just thought I wanted to do the videos
[2330.58] Greg: just to document what I was doing for myself.
[2332.5] Greg: And so, our family can see back in the UK.
[2337.06] Greg: But, yeah, a lot of people got on board.
[2340.02] Greg: And I think it's really touched into people wanting to be off-grid
[2346.34] Greg: and generating their own energy and energy storage and all that good stuff.
[2351.94] Greg: Yeah, definitely a niche, I think.
[2355.86] Greg: What's the name of the channel you're putting those videos out on?
[2359.14] Greg: It's named after where we're living.
[2360.5] Greg: It's called Moulin-en-Pierre.
[2364.26] Greg: So, that means that's French for stone mill.
[2368.26] Greg: What's that?
[2369.3] Frank: Yeah, those videos are fun.
[2372.02] Tony: I like them as well.
[2373.38] AndyRC: No, it's okay.
[2375.38] Tony: Mute, Curry Kitten.
[2376.66] Tony: Mute your daughter.
[2380.1] Curry: Are you allowed to say a way to mute yourself?
[2382.1] AndyRC: Okay, out of 10.
[2384.02] AndyRC: Out of 10.
[2385.06] Curry: Five.
[2385.62] Curry: Go away.
[2386.02] AndyRC: Five!
[2389.78] Tony: It should have been a 10, but not.
[2391.54] Curry: Oh, okay.
[2392.26] Curry: Sophie's decided to come in and say, rate my outfit.
[2395.86] Curry: I just need to wear an unschooled uniform tomorrow.
[2399.78] Curry: Okay, I'm busy.
[2401.38] Tony: Did she not know it's eight o'clock on a Thursday evening?
[2406.26] Curry: Yes, but apparently I'm able to talk.
[2409.14] Curry: A multi-tasking dad, I see.
[2412.58] Curry: This is often true as you're driving along.
[2414.34] Curry: She says, just watch this video quickly,
[2416.34] Curry: and it holds a phone up to you, and you're like, do that, get out of the way.
[2422.5] Tony: So, Mikey, how's it been on this side of the screen rather than in the chat?
[2429.14] Mikey Dread: I miss my guys in the chat.
[2430.58] Mikey Dread: I'm not going to lie.
[2434.26] Mikey Dread: It's great, but yeah, I was just really nervous about it before coming on.
[2437.78] Mikey Dread: I nearly had a panic attack, but yeah, apart from that, I'm fine.
[2441.22] Tony: Well, you've done fine, mate.
[2442.98] Tony: No need to worry.
[2443.78] Tony: It's just channeling amongst friends.
[2445.54] Tony: Yeah, it's only on the internet forever,
[2449.06] Tony: and I've got drunk on here and picked my top off, so you'll be all right.
[2456.02] Tony: Yeah, I have seen that.
[2458.34] Tony: Yeah, let's not talk about that anymore.
[2460.5] Frank: Have you been flying anywhere recently, Mikey?
[2466.74] Frank: Have you been flying anywhere recently, interesting?
[2470.66] Mikey Dread: Yeah, kind of.
[2473.78] Mikey Dread: Yeah, I don't care.
[2476.58] Mikey Dread: Yeah, some big towers.
[2480.18] Mikey Dread: Was it me flying now? I'm not sure yet.
[2482.1] Mikey Dread: You found some SD cards, right?
[2484.34] Mikey Dread: Yeah, I found some SD cards.
[2486.98] Mikey Dread: Hopefully not those towers that are in the background there.
[2490.34] Mikey Dread: I went with a few friends that are in the chat, which is, you know, the bears in the chat.
[2497.52] AndyRC: The towers that we all know and love, are we talking about?
[2500.32] AndyRC: Yeah, Sandy, the ones that were there.
[2505.52] AndyRC: The ones when me and Frank went to, we had to take his trousers and all of his clothes off
[2512.4] AndyRC: when we got to the other side because his entire legs and feet got submerged in.
[2518.16] Frank: Yeah, it turns out the bridge wasn't much of a bridge,
[2520.88] Frank: more of a kind of dunking stool, but never mind.
[2524.72] Mikey Dread: The difference was this time is they actually have water in the bottom of it.
[2528.48] Mikey Dread: That added a bit more pressure to the...
[2530.48] AndyRC: Oh, yeah. When we were there, Andy, there was water, wasn't there?
[2536.56] AndyRC: Yeah, at the bottom as well, yeah.
[2539.6] Frank: There was only one that was vaguely dry for some of it.
[2542.56] Frank: We were kind of picking our way around.
[2545.92] Curry: It'll only be interesting because should someone turn up,
[2548.88] Curry: I'm not sure if they're going to move you on for flying or the fact that
[2552.56] Curry: Frank's got his clothes off and it looks like you might be dogging.
[2555.2] Curry: Well, I just don't know where that's going.
[2557.52] Frank: Luckily, I had to come prepared and had a pair of shorts with me,
[2561.6] Frank: so I was wearing them instead while I'm with Charles and Mike.
[2564.64] Tony: We're saying to have lost Greg because he thinks my internet has just gone down, I think.
[2568.96] Tony: I was going to say, yeah.
[2572.8] Curry: Hopefully, we can get him back in a minute.
[2574.32] Curry: The whole internet has failed.
[2575.68] AndyRC: His water wealth broke, isn't it?
[2578.08] AndyRC: He's not in the green room, is he?
[2581.52] AndyRC: He is not in the green room.
[2585.6] Curry: Shall we talk about Bruce's annoying videos or are we not giving him ads on?
[2589.68] Tony: No, maybe next week.
[2591.84] Tony: We're trying to stay positive this week, please.
[2594.56] Curry: All right then.
[2595.28] Curry: So who has been out and having fun flying this week?
[2598.72] Curry: Because I haven't managed it because I'm being weather wimpy.
[2603.36] Mikey Dread: Yeah.
[2605.12] Curry: You must go out because you're two minutes away from your dog poo bin.
[2608.8] AndyRC: I haven't been out.
[2609.68] AndyRC: I've been flying indoors.
[2612.32] AndyRC: I'm back, sorry.
[2613.44] Tony: Hey, Greg.
[2614.4] Tony: We thought your boat was powered run out, so the internet went down.
[2618.16] AndyRC: Yeah, the screen stopped for a second.
[2623.04] AndyRC: No, it was internet.
[2625.6] AndyRC: What's that?
[2626.16] AndyRC: What was that sticker?
[2627.12] AndyRC: Was that a sticker?
[2627.84] AndyRC: I've got some of the boys in the chat.
[2630.32] AndyRC: Let's have a look.
[2631.28] AndyRC: Shows again.
[2632.0] AndyRC: I missed it.
[2632.56] AndyRC: I just caught a glimpse of it.
[2636.08] Mikey Dread: Just a little crew that I fly with.
[2638.48] Mikey Dread: Cool.
[2640.48] Mikey Dread: That's a little show.
[2642.48] Mikey Dread: Bless.
[2643.52] Tony: So Greg, are you still going to do analog and attend a design and keep selling them and stuff?
[2653.2] Greg: Analog's dead, mate.
[2654.08] Greg: Digital's the way forward.
[2657.04] Greg: But seriously, digital is coming forward and a lot of guys are moving over to digital.
[2665.92] Greg: If you want to come into the hobby and you want to come in entry level and you're on a budget,
[2674.72] Greg: you're not going to be buying a DJI set of goggles.
[2677.68] Greg: So guys coming into the hobby are still going to come in on analog.
[2682.4] Greg: So Menace has always been about affordable products for the hobbyists.
[2689.2] Greg: So I think we're still good at supporting new people into the hobby.
[2695.04] Greg: Existing people in the hobby who've not moved over to digital.
[2699.12] Greg: Plus, I think some people have tried the digital system and didn't like it,
[2704.24] Greg: and they've gone back to analog.
[2706.48] Greg: So I think both of them are here to stay side by side for the near future.
[2715.6] Greg: What the long-term future holds, it's hard to say.
[2720.4] Tony: Indeed.
[2721.76] Tony: And I keep looking at the digital stuff and thinking,
[2725.68] Tony: should I or should I not?
[2729.12] Tony: I don't know what to do.
[2730.4] AndyRC: You know what, I think I hope happens when it comes to this.
[2736.4] AndyRC: As somebody who has had a lot of the DJI camera drones and then they bring out the next one
[2743.44] AndyRC: and the one that I currently own halves in price when it comes to selling.
[2750.88] AndyRC: I think when they bring out, hopefully if they bring out a second version,
[2756.48] AndyRC: then the first version is good enough that the price,
[2761.84] AndyRC: secondhand price of those will come down to an affordable price.
[2765.84] AndyRC: Just like how the HDOs have now dropped in price.
[2770.96] AndyRC: Now the HDO2s have come out.
[2772.88] AndyRC: So I think I would see it going off in that direction, I think.
[2778.72] AndyRC: But for the foreseeable future, I think as well,
[2782.72] AndyRC: there will always be a place for analog regardless.
[2787.44] Tony: Yeah, I agree.
[2788.56] Tony: I mean, I don't want to change.
[2790.16] Curry: And you can't afford to buy the new DJI Goggles.
[2792.72] Tony: Yeah, I don't even want to look in them.
[2795.44] Tony: I've looked in them.
[2798.8] Tony: They're too nice.
[2800.96] AndyRC: It looks too good.
[2802.64] AndyRC: Tell me you looked through them and you felt sick.
[2804.64] AndyRC: I did actually feel sick because the screen was so big.
[2808.4] AndyRC: I think it was just because you were like, this is just so good.
[2814.4] Tony: The screen in the goggles is massive.
[2816.24] Tony: Plus, it was flicking a bit.
[2820.0] Tony: I'll get sick if I go into a hospital just because the lights are flickering.
[2824.32] AndyRC: Those lights flickering did make a difference for sure.
[2828.64] Tony: I'd like to see it outside.
[2830.56] Tony: I'm sure we're all going to meet soon and I'll have a go, Andy, anyway.
[2834.4] AndyRC: Yeah, I mean, they're down to tiny whoop size now with the new Cut X Vista.
[2842.16] Tony: Yeah, I saw your video this morning.
[2843.92] AndyRC: Oh, man, I couldn't cut a coffee.
[2846.56] AndyRC: I was ready to rubbish it.
[2848.4] AndyRC: And I think in some areas, it's better than the first one.
[2856.64] AndyRC: Yeah, so it's going in that direction.
[2860.48] AndyRC: But I like to balance between the two because obviously,
[2866.8] AndyRC: there are people that will always stick to analog.
[2870.24] AndyRC: There'll be people that want to try the new stuff.
[2874.08] AndyRC: For me, I'm like, if it's FPV, I'm game.
[2877.76] AndyRC: I wanted the bike for us, but it was advised against it for now.
[2885.44] AndyRC: Should I say, until the final version.
[2889.04] AndyRC: But yeah, I'm well up for trying that because there we go.
[2893.84] AndyRC: We've got Jax here in spirit.
[2897.28] Tony: He's just in the chat as well.
[2899.92] Tony: He hasn't answered my question yet.
[2902.32] Mikey Dread: Oh, oh, have we got a new place somewhere?
[2906.56] Mikey Dread: That's the one.
[2907.68] Mikey Dread: It's got to be on it.
[2908.56] Mikey Dread: Nobody's going to beat that.
[2910.56] Mikey Dread: Wow.
[2911.04] Tony: Yeah, that is close.
[2912.88] AndyRC: That is so close.
[2914.08] AndyRC: Where I'm trying to look.
[2915.92] Curry: Right, but it's as close as the other one.
[2919.76] Curry: It just depends on which direction you go from, I suppose.
[2922.64] Greg: Well, that's a down to break.
[2925.04] Greg: Got it, got it.
[2926.32] Greg: It's looking like two packs at the moment that we're going to have to send out.
[2933.52] Curry: Oh, well.
[2934.4] Curry: Should you say, here's the spirit of NJ.
[2936.32] Curry: I built up his frame this week.
[2938.32] Curry: I've yet to set it up.
[2939.92] Mikey Dread: I need to get that frame as well.
[2945.52] Curry: I need to sort that out and do the setup for it.
[2950.08] Greg: Is that the guitar?
[2951.04] Greg: Is it guitar pick?
[2951.92] Greg: That's the guitar pick, yeah.
[2955.52] AndyRC: Really neat, that.
[2956.72] AndyRC: It does.
[2959.36] AndyRC: NJ's in Madrid tonight, working.
[2963.12] AndyRC: Oh, poor thing.
[2964.48] Curry: Oh, yeah, NJ working.
[2966.48] Tony: Yeah, what was he doing standing on stage strumming some string?
[2970.88] Curry: Strumming a guitar, getting screamed at, and a hard old life.
[2977.98] Tony: My dogs just nicked one of my socks.
[2982.22] Curry: I should apologise to Bloods, who's saying it's my frame as well.
[2984.78] Curry: It is called the guitar pick.
[2986.06] Curry: Yeah, I did say.
[2987.74] Curry: But it's a Hayley RC product, jointly developed by Bloods.
[2991.42] Curry: And these are Bloods holes, these are NJ's holes.
[2994.38] Curry: There's two holes, depending on what size the prop you like.
[2998.78] Mikey Dread: Yeah, you've got to love Chris and MJ, they're top guys.
[3001.74] Tony: Yeah, they're both good lads.
[3006.29] Tony: No one bad in this, obviously.
[3008.77] Tony: I mean, no, I've never met anyone horrible.
[3014.46] Curry: I know, some dodgy videos floating around on YouTube I could comment on, but we're not allowed to.
[3018.54] Tony: No, next week you can comment on them.
[3022.46] Curry: Been writing paragraphs of comments in response, but okay.
[3025.5] AndyRC: Okay.
[3026.14] AndyRC: Tend not to meet people in real life who are negative towards you in the hobby,
[3033.26] AndyRC: but online it's like road rage, isn't it?
[3037.34] Frank: On a completely, completely separate note, because I believe tonight is the last night
[3044.54] Frank: where you can pay you £9 through either BMFA or FPV UK, rather than doing it directly through the CAA.
[3056.22] Frank: Although we're still exempt until whatever it is of February, because it's going to take some time
[3062.38] Frank: for that information to go from the associations to the CAA, and then for them to just add that
[3067.74] Frank: into their database from the Excel spreadsheet, and then generate the numbers and then send them
[3074.06] Frank: back to people so that you can actually have numbers that you put on your craft before you fly.
[3082.3] Frank: There's still a bit of leeway, but if you wanted to pay your £9 through an association rather
[3087.98] Frank: than directly to the CAA, then you better get on it pretty quick. I just haven't actually done that,
[3094.86] Frank: because I'm not going to fly over 250 grams outside until the weather improves significantly,
[3103.34] Frank: and I'm not going to...
[3105.18] Curry: God, we need some of that.
[3106.86] Curry: So, quick story, Paul, who here has done that so far? I think, Tony, you have, haven't you?
[3112.38] AndyRC: Yep. Yeah, I got my number.
[3117.1] AndyRC: I got a really funny email off the BMFA.
[3123.74] AndyRC: It said, we're currently working on getting your offer, because if you're through the BMFA,
[3130.78] AndyRC: you still haven't got your operator ID. Well, I haven't, because they sent me an email,
[3136.38] AndyRC: and they said, we think your date of birth is wrong, and we need it correct before...
[3142.62] AndyRC: I got that as well.
[3145.58] AndyRC: I went on the portal, and it said, my birthday was...
[3150.06] AndyRC: 19-0-1.
[3151.98] AndyRC: Yeah, it was just...
[3156.94] AndyRC: Yeah, no, so yeah, I had to change that.
[3160.78] Tony: Yeah, one was the same.
[3164.62] AndyRC: Well, apparently, I'm a traitor, am I, Wayne? Come on, Wayne. No, we won't go there.
[3171.5] Curry: You're complicit and an accessory to fraud.
[3175.58] AndyRC: What?
[3177.34] Tony: I haven't watched the video, so...
[3180.06] Tony: And we can talk about its next week.
[3182.94] Tony: Okay.
[3184.54] Tony: Mikey, are you and Greg going to do any more frame partnerships, or do any, like,
[3190.14] Tony: because you said to me that you can put longer arms on here and turn it into a six-inch...
[3196.3] Mikey Dread: No, you can fit a physics seven-inch arms on there and fly it as a six-inch quad.
[3203.18] Mikey Dread: I'm 100% sure they fit.
[3206.7] Mikey Dread: Greg, are we in disagreement on that, Greg? Okay, I'm pretty sure.
[3213.98] Greg: I thought it was changed because of the...
[3215.9] Mikey Dread: I did change the whole positions.
[3218.22] Greg: The whole positions changed because they're all in line, whereas before,
[3221.98] Greg: we had them slightly askew for the inner ones.
[3227.5] Greg: But we can double-check. If that's the case, we'll put it up on the website.
[3231.58] Greg: But yeah, I'm pretty sure at the moment, the dreadnought comes as is,
[3237.34] Greg: and it doesn't interchange with the physics.
[3240.62] Greg: But to answer your question, as we go forward, if guys think,
[3246.06] Greg: right, yeah, I want to do a seven-inch, eight-inch, nine-inch, whatever,
[3249.02] Greg: we can look at doing arms for those because that's effectively what we've done with the physics.
[3256.86] Greg: We put it out there as a five-inch, and then guys wanted a six-inch, a seven-inch.
[3260.94] Greg: They wanted a stretch X and things like that.
[3263.74] Greg: So we were just listening to the customers and listening to the guys in the hobby
[3269.34] Greg: and adjusting the frame accordingly to what people wanted to do with it.
[3274.78] AndyRC: What about going for a sub-250 freestyle frame for Andy,
[3279.34] AndyRC: who hasn't done any of the registration yet?
[3282.54] AndyRC: Has that come into your mind about doing something like that?
[3288.78] Greg: Sub-250.
[3291.98] Greg: Ages ago, and I mean, yeah, probably two or three years ago,
[3295.58] Greg: we were building these little three-inch drones that were already sub-250.
[3301.34] Greg: So I've got designs for those, so we may revisit it.
[3305.34] Tony: There you go.
[3307.34] Tony: Okay, up there, I've got one which I've done about two years ago, which is sub-250.
[3313.18] Tony: Five-inch as well.
[3316.27] Tony: Five-inch, interesting.
[3317.39] Tony: Yeah.
[3319.87] Tony: Yes, it's very, very light.
[3322.59] AndyRC: With its fuel tank.
[3324.91] Tony: Yes, with fuel.
[3326.51] Tony: I think it's 190 grams.
[3329.23] Tony: Wow, impressive.
[3330.27] Mikey Dread: So the physics arms fit.
[3332.91] Mikey Dread: You just done it.
[3335.39] Mikey Dread: There you go, that answers the question.
[3336.83] Mikey Dread: So the physics arms go on and make a six-inch physics.
[3341.95] Mikey Dread: Six-inch Drednall.
[3343.47] Tony: There you go.
[3344.99] Tony: That's pretty cool.
[3347.15] Tony: That is really good.
[3348.11] Tony: Right, we're coming near to the end of the show.
[3350.03] Tony: We've got four minutes left.
[3351.79] Mikey Dread: Has anybody got the exact bit?
[3354.91] Mikey Dread: I've got someone who's really close to the weight.
[3358.99] Tony: What about you, Greg?
[3360.11] Greg: I've got two names.
[3364.43] Greg: One's 0.1 over and one's 0.1 below.
[3370.03] AndyRC: Everybody's now, it's just going to post what?
[3374.83] Curry: The question is, are you bastard?
[3377.47] Greg: You can't put any more in the chat.
[3380.19] Greg: You only get one girl, right?
[3383.87] Greg: Shall we pick?
[3385.87] Tony: You pick, Greg.
[3386.59] Tony: You're the boss, Menace.
[3388.43] Tony: You're the one giving nice enough to give something away.
[3391.63] Tony: Go on, Mikey.
[3392.27] Tony: Who have you got there?
[3393.55] Greg: I've got Dean Chapman, 190.8.
[3398.19] Greg: Cool, and I had criminal FPV at 120 grams.
[3402.91] Mikey Dread: That's the other one I had.
[3404.43] Greg: Yeah, because the weight was 119.9.
[3407.79] Greg: I'll tell you what we do.
[3408.67] Greg: We give out two packs.
[3410.59] Greg: If both those guys get in touch, get the addresses,
[3412.75] Greg: we'll send them a package.
[3413.87] Greg: How's that say?
[3414.43] Mikey Dread: I know both these guys anyway.
[3416.19] Mikey Dread: Oh, really?
[3418.43] Tony: So they've secretly invited him while he's flying, haven't they?
[3422.67] Tony: Or are you chatting about it, Mikey?
[3424.75] Tony: You've been out flying and gone, yeah, this is that.
[3428.27] Tony: They've took your...
[3430.75] Mikey Dread: No, I've never told them this fight.
[3434.11] AndyRC: To be fair, Mike is in the chat every week.
[3436.35] AndyRC: He knows everybody.
[3438.75] AndyRC: Whoever would have known it, he would have known.
[3442.35] Frank: I think Richard Warwick might be cheating a bit there by posting that now.
[3446.03] Frank: Oh, he's got some lag, hasn't he?
[3449.07] Curry: Yeah.
[3449.55] Curry: He told that an hour ago.
[3450.91] Curry: It's just come through now.
[3453.31] Tony: So can the winners contact us at where?
[3458.03] Tony: Can they contact us, Frank?
[3459.39] Tony: They can contact me if they want.
[3462.83] Tony: If you want to put your email out into webs, go for it.
[3466.51] Mikey Dread: I can get over to both of those guys if you want and sort out, so yes, no problem.
[3471.07] Tony: Well, contact Mikey, if you know Mikey.
[3473.15] Tony: Well done for playing, everyone.
[3475.39] Mikey Dread: Brian's now trying it as well.
[3479.47] Mikey Dread: Sorry, just got it as well.
[3484.11] Mikey Dread: I'm going to have to send him out.
[3488.22] Tony: Excellent.
[3490.54] Tony: Well, thank you very much for coming on, Greg.
[3492.7] Tony: Thanks, Mikey, for...
[3494.54] Mikey Dread: Thanks for having me.
[3495.26] Mikey Dread: It's been real fun.
[3497.02] Tony: Yeah, thank you very much for having us on the show.
[3499.82] Tony: Yeah, you've been stressing a bit, Mikey, but you've done well.
[3502.78] Tony: Yeah, it's not my bag, but I have actually enjoyed it, to be fair.
[3505.34] AndyRC: Yeah, it gets addictive as well, so be careful, because that's the image.
[3510.06] Tony: If I'm ever real, can you stand in for me, please?
[3512.3] Mikey Dread: Yeah, I would do this again, no problem.
[3514.06] Mikey Dread: Yeah, bless you.
[3516.38] Frank: So thank you very much, guys, for joining us this week.
[3521.1] Frank: And thank you, everyone, in the chat.
[3522.78] Frank: Thank you to all our patrons as well.
[3524.94] Frank: This week, we have had joining us Tony, we had Mikey, we have had Greg,
[3533.5] Frank: we have had Andy, and we've had Kerry, and we've been joined by me, Frank.
[3542.7] Frank: That one's easy for me.
[3545.9] Frank: That was fun.
[3546.62] Frank: And good night.
[3548.22] AndyRC: Cheers, guys.
[3550.86] Greg: Thank you.
[3551.66] UNKNOWN: Telemetry loss.