=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 246 === Title: LDO 246 - The Great Outdoors? Recorded: 2020-05-14 Hosts: Andy, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant Guest(s): Lee "Painless360" Schofield Total audience: 2,232 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4gdhM_fX_A); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/821977750-letsdroneout-ldo-246-the-great-outdoors.mp3) ===================================== MA6 Online will be at miniairshow.co.uk this Sat 16th May 2020 from 11am Check out our merch or remix your own at our shop! http://www.letsdroneout.com [0.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out, the best, well the only UK FPV podcast, [6.8] Jack: sponsored by the lovely people from our Patreon, patreon.com forward slash Let's Drone Out. [12.88] Jack: In particular we'd like to thank these guys, Art Faulkner, Mikey Dredd, Wacky Wes, David Powell. [24.24] Jack: Thank you guys, you're the best, we can edit our podcast, thank you. [34.05] Curry: Send money to Frank at Paypal.me forward slash Mini Air Show, do it now or he'll die. [41.09] Curry: Less dramatic. [67.5] Jack: Hello and welcome back to Let's Drone Out. Tonight we are joined by Andrew slash Frank. [75.74] Jack: Good evening. [77.58] Jack: Curry Kitten. [78.86] Curry: Hello. [80.06] Curry: Yeah, don't do anything bad, don't listen to Andy. [83.74] Jack: And now it's safe to introduce Andy R.C. [87.02] Frank: Hello. [88.14] Frank: This is the last time we might see Andy before he's like hauled away by copyright people. [95.02] Tony: For dynamically stretching things. [97.98] AndyRC: Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. [100.86] Jack: The person who just says dynamically stretching is Tony, that's what she said. [109.02] Jack: And I am right until I fly. Hello, welcome back. [112.14] AndyRC: So, now that we're out on parole, has anybody been flying? [118.78] Tony: It's a flag. [121.66] Tony: Two times, I was too cold to bother. [126.06] Tony: Too cold? [128.46] Tony: Yeah. [129.02] Tony: I was cold this morning at work. [131.34] Tony: Nine, about nine. [132.38] Tony: Yeah, it's been really cold, hasn't it? [134.94] Jack: It's been before I even found it a bit too cold to fly. [138.62] Jack: I mean, I remember him dragging me to Preston Park to fly. [144.14] Jack: And he's like, come on, we were all dying. [147.98] Jack: Like the tears and snot running from our noses were freezing. [152.94] Jack: And there was just dog walkers everywhere. [155.58] Jack: If you didn't keep, if you kept still enough, you'd start sinking into the mud. [162.94] Tony: And yeah, so I was too cold. [166.78] Tony: I'm tired now, Jack. [168.22] Tony: That was the days when FPV was all new and fresh. [172.94] Tony: From fun and stuff. [174.3] Tony: For now, it's just like I've been there, done that. [176.7] Tony: Too cold. [178.06] Tony: And I can wait till the weekend when the heat wave comes back [180.86] Tony: and our flying field's been reopened so I can go up there. [184.78] Tony: I've charged my X-Class pack, so I'm going to do some X-Class stuff. [191.74] Tony: Saturday or Sunday, don't I? [193.74] Tony: Or tomorrow, because I'm going to have tomorrow off. [196.94] AndyRC: You're so lucky. [197.74] AndyRC: I'm waiting to see if my flying field opens. [201.42] AndyRC: But when Bojo announced that we were allowed to sit on a bench now, [205.9] AndyRC: I sort of overdid it. [207.5] AndyRC: And my very first flight, I landed in a tree. [213.18] AndyRC: The first one. [214.94] AndyRC: But I spent the entire day flying. [217.74] AndyRC: It was, yeah, it was really nice, actually. [221.74] AndyRC: Now, those city works, when you hit a tree, [225.58] AndyRC: they just bounce off them and land on the ground. [228.46] AndyRC: So I didn't have to do any climbing. [230.38] AndyRC: But, yeah, I really want to get back to the big flying field and do some. [236.54] AndyRC: I've been looking at some big EDF jets. [238.94] AndyRC: I fancy a go at one of those. [242.54] Curry: The reason they don't get stuck in a tree is they're too heavy, of course. [245.5] Curry: The trees just break and they come down. [247.42] Curry: That's one advantage of something as much fun. [249.66] AndyRC: Yeah, I thought that the branches will get stuck, but they don't. [253.26] AndyRC: Because, yeah, there's nothing really to get stuck. [255.5] AndyRC: The props are quite thick and everything's thick. [258.38] AndyRC: And I watched the video back and it just sort of bounced off everything. [262.62] AndyRC: Either that or I was lucky. [263.98] AndyRC: But, yeah, they're really fun to fly through trees. [270.54] AndyRC: Because I saw your video, Wayne, on the green hornet. [274.38] AndyRC: But I got loads of trees around here. [276.46] AndyRC: It's amazing how you can sort of navigate through the trees. [279.9] AndyRC: And you can flip them and not get in too much trouble either. [283.26] Curry: Yeah, someone suggested that he wanted to get one for going through trees. [286.46] Curry: I hadn't thought of that. [287.74] Curry: I thought, oh, well, that gives me something to do. [290.06] Curry: Because you know how easy it is to catch a ghost branch. [292.62] Curry: And it would just take your prop and you'll spin down to the floor [295.18] Curry: pretty easily a lot of the times. [296.78] Curry: So it'd be quite good just trying to get through a little bit further [300.22] Curry: and not have to worry about hitting little branches [302.54] Curry: that just ruin your day all the time. [305.1] AndyRC: Yeah, I know you, Tony, you were considering this. [308.54] AndyRC: But this is definitely becoming a thing, isn't it? [314.3] AndyRC: I joined the group today. [315.9] AndyRC: What's it called? [317.82] AndyRC: It's like where you take apart your GoPro 7. [322.86] AndyRC: Yeah, well, no, people are doing it. [326.22] AndyRC: It's the GoPro 6, isn't it? [328.06] AndyRC: There's now a dedicated... [331.26] AndyRC: Well, I think it's been there a while. [333.02] AndyRC: But, yeah, it's basically ruin your GoPro [336.38] AndyRC: to get it on a tiny, like, Beta 85 or whatever. [341.5] AndyRC: I really fancy a go at that. [343.26] Tony: I know. [344.3] Tony: I mean, I've got... [345.9] Tony: I've bought a Hero 7 to take it down. [349.26] Tony: So I could take it down to Jacks and get him to take it apart. [353.18] Curry: Yeah. [353.66] Curry: So are they using a 6 only to use a steady? [358.38] Curry: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [361.42] AndyRC: I think they're using mostly 6s, I think, [366.86] AndyRC: because the 7, I think you're carrying out the 7 to work, [372.22] AndyRC: but you have to have really odd mounting. [375.66] AndyRC: And, well, the 6 is cheaper as well, [380.3] AndyRC: because it doesn't have the hypersmooth or anything. [382.86] Tony: So... [383.26] Tony: I've changed my mind on the whole thing anyway. [385.18] Tony: I'm going to keep my 7 and have a spare 7, [387.9] Tony: and then I'm going to get an Insta360 go. [391.98] Tony: And just stick that on something small. [394.54] Tony: Does that can record 1080p? [397.34] Tony: And that's got, like, a hypersmooth thing. [400.62] Tony: And it's tiny. [401.42] Tony: It's 20 grams. [402.22] Tony: So you can stick that on there. [403.26] AndyRC: Yeah, it's more... [404.86] AndyRC: I don't think you could use it in a professional capacity, though. [407.9] AndyRC: It's more for Instagram. [409.34] AndyRC: It's probably not. [410.78] AndyRC: It looks great on Instagram. [412.7] AndyRC: You know, they're, like, 200 quid as well. [415.1] AndyRC: I know, I know. [416.14] Tony: Very expensive. [418.22] Tony: Do I want Jack ruining a Sierra and a Hero 7? [421.42] Tony: I don't know. [422.06] Tony: Yeah. [422.62] Curry: I want to do a 7, but get a flight. [425.26] Curry: I like the fact that Jack ruins a 7, [426.94] Curry: because Tony takes in his ass and forces it into the dissembler. [429.82] Curry: And it's just, look, you've broken it now. [431.74] AndyRC: Oh, I would fly him as well. [436.86] AndyRC: Part of me wants to go at it, [438.38] AndyRC: but you have to do some real miniature soldering. [441.98] AndyRC: Like, you're literally soldering to, [445.26] AndyRC: you know, like, the legs of, like, chips and stuff, you know. [449.82] AndyRC: And a lot of people have empowered issues. [452.14] AndyRC: I mean, there's a great community out there. [454.14] AndyRC: I was reading some of the posts, and I'm like, [456.78] AndyRC: oh, but it seems like such an effort [461.18] AndyRC: when you can have the biggest cine whoops, really. [464.86] AndyRC: I'm not sure I would personally use them. [467.42] Tony: I would use them, and I'd like to do it, [470.06] Tony: but it's a bit of a risk, isn't it, taking apart? [474.62] Tony: Well, I don't use, um, um... [477.18] Tony: Solder. You just use tape. [479.66] Tony: Solder or screws. [482.46] Tony: That's why I was going around Jack. [484.3] Tony: So, I don't use, um, what's the thing you can buy? [488.62] Tony: We just said it. [489.58] Tony: Real steady. [490.78] Tony: Real steady. [491.98] Tony: Because that's another 100 bucks, isn't it? [493.66] Tony: So... 99 quid, yeah. [495.98] Tony: Yeah, if you bought six and then bought one of them, [498.62] Tony: it's going to be the same price as a seven anyway, second hand. [503.1] Tony: Yeah. [503.9] Frank: It's 100 bucks that you're unlikely to smash into a brick wall. [507.1] Frank: Yes, there is that. [508.22] Tony: But if you've got, um, uh, insurance for your GoPro, [512.38] Tony: surely you can put it all back together and just take it in and go, [516.38] Tony: I crashed it, it fell off my mountain bike, or whatever. [519.9] Tony: That was my plan anyway, after if Jack managed it. [524.22] AndyRC: Don't think they would quite accept that [526.54] AndyRC: when they see all of the solder, you know, [529.66] AndyRC: you know, bricks between all the chips. [534.38] AndyRC: Hmm. [535.18] AndyRC: I don't know. [536.78] Frank: They'll have to get Jack to throw it in a reflow oven afterwards. [540.62] Tony: Yeah, that's it. [542.7] Tony: I want to do, there's just a couple of things I keep looking at, [546.06] Tony: thinking, I want to fly that. [547.18] Tony: There's a Norman Temple down the road from us. [549.18] Tony: It's really nice gardens and they've got that kid on top, [553.02] Tony: the golden boy blowing a horn. [554.7] Tony: I don't know if you've seen them temples. [557.02] Tony: That would be really cool. [558.54] Tony: A horn? [559.9] Tony: That sounds a bit of a bottom reference, doesn't it? [562.86] AndyRC: It does actually. [566.78] AndyRC: I saw Tommy's video though, [569.1] AndyRC: and that's what got me thinking about it, [571.74] AndyRC: but it just looks so difficult. [573.9] AndyRC: And if it goes wrong, you know, especially at this time, [577.18] AndyRC: when if you're not doing that well financially, [581.02] AndyRC: you do, and then you destroy an expensive GoPro, [585.34] AndyRC: it's that could be really damaging to your ego. [588.78] AndyRC: So I might leave it for a bit, but it's an interesting concept. [593.82] AndyRC: I actually, I don't know whether I should say this, [597.26] AndyRC: but I did receive a message off a particular company [599.98] AndyRC: that might be offering a service. [603.1] AndyRC: It has a service. [605.66] AndyRC: If they get in contact with you, [606.94] AndyRC: give me the data as soon as you know. [608.62] AndyRC: Well, it's early days yet, [610.3] AndyRC: but I think they've seen how popular it is. [613.1] AndyRC: And it's probably not going to be cheap, I'd imagine, [617.5] AndyRC: because, you know, you'll probably have to buy the GoPro [620.62] AndyRC: and then they do the work for you or something like that. [623.82] AndyRC: But we shall see. [625.66] Tony: Well, I've already got one to donate, so I'm ready. [633.1] Curry: So it's not like GoPro actually, [635.98] Curry: they did move away from the certain ships [639.1] Curry: that they were using, but it's not GoPro. [642.14] Curry: I don't think their chip sets proprietary, is it? [644.78] Curry: So somebody could look at that and say, [646.7] Curry: oh, we could build something quite similar to that, [648.62] Curry: but perhaps they can't replicate the firmware. [651.82] Curry: And this is why other companies [653.42] Curry: try to bring out lightweight cameras [654.78] Curry: to emulate GoPros don't do that well. [657.74] Tony: I do like the footage from that little one, [662.86] Tony: the 20-gram one, Insta360, whatever it's called, the Go. [667.66] Tony: It does look pretty good. [669.98] AndyRC: Yeah, you only get five minutes of flight [673.74] AndyRC: and they also get... [675.18] AndyRC: That's what you need. [676.22] AndyRC: They get extremely hot as well, [677.98] AndyRC: which not many people talk about. [679.58] AndyRC: You can barely touch them. [681.1] AndyRC: That's how hot they get. [682.62] AndyRC: Really? [683.98] Frank: Yeah. [685.66] Frank: The vloggers that wear them around their necks [687.66] Frank: on their little string around their neck, [691.42] Frank: how do they end up with scorch marks? [694.86] AndyRC: They're not running them for five minutes, I imagine. [697.98] Tony: Yeah, because it was never a thing to run it for. [701.74] Tony: It was like 30 seconds, wasn't it? [703.74] AndyRC: Yeah, exactly. [704.94] Tony: And someone's done something to make it run five minutes [708.06] Tony: and then I think they've put it in the app now, [710.14] Tony: so you can run it five minutes. [711.82] Curry: To be fair, I can't think of a quad I could fly [714.3] Curry: that would last for five minutes, [715.74] Curry: so three minutes is about the limit. [718.06] Tony: Yeah, you don't need to fly for longer than that. [723.58] Tony: I don't know. [724.38] Tony: I've just got some really good ideas for them. [726.3] Tony: It's just putting them into practice. [728.86] Tony: You know, just going somewhere and getting my 50 quid note out [733.5] Tony: and saying, excuse me. [737.42] Frank: Can I come in your church, please? [739.98] Frank: Tony's VIP pass has a five and a zero on it. [743.74] Frank: That's it. [745.02] Frank: And it's orangey and red. [746.3] Jack: You're amazing what that man can get up to. [751.66] Tony: Yeah, so that and a bit of X-Class this weekend [755.9] Tony: is what I'm doing. [757.18] Tony: Anyone else? [758.54] Tony: Well, there's a mini air show. [760.7] Tony: There is the mini air show. [762.46] Frank: Any sticks online? [764.14] Frank: Yeah, we're doing that as well. [767.58] Tony: Is it just Saturday, yeah? [769.9] Frank: Just Saturday from 11. [772.22] Frank: So beginning at 11, we will be running some highlight reels [778.62] Frank: that people have shared on YouTube. [780.62] Frank: So we're just kind of putting those up for a bit [782.78] Frank: and then we will have a kind of opening segment [787.02] Frank: from Painless talking about how to ask for help [795.74] Frank: with asking problems. [797.98] Frank: And then we've got Lurgy doing his community build along [806.22] Frank: with a kind of paper plane on steroids using Super Glue [809.74] Frank: and a paper straw and a couple of sheets of A4 paper. [813.74] Jack: It looks really good. [816.14] Frank: Yeah, it flies pretty impressively. [821.02] Frank: And I think he's been doing them with like [823.5] Frank: Woot motors and things. [824.54] Frank: So it just kind of is a proper radio control plane [828.22] Frank: if you really take it that far. [832.22] Frank: Then we've got the Freestyle. [837.1] Frank: So you can still enter the Freestyle. [840.14] Frank: I've seen the winner already. [847.34] Frank: So we have had a few entries, [849.1] Frank: but there's still plenty of space for more entries [851.98] Frank: on the Freestyle. [852.94] Frank: So just send in to miniairshowuk at gmail.com [858.46] Frank: or contact at miniairshow.co.uk [860.86] Frank: if you send in a 60-second-ish clip on a simulator [870.06] Frank: or I guess now that you're allowed outside, [872.38] Frank: it doesn't necessarily have to be on a simulator, [874.86] Frank: but we prefer it on a simulator. [878.38] Frank: And if you want some free ones, [879.98] Frank: so there's Currysim, which is free. [882.22] Frank: You can get Tiny Woot Go for free [884.46] Frank: by signing up to Tiny Woot membership. [888.78] Frank: We need more Woopers to find the same thing. [892.7] Frank: Yep. [893.82] Frank: So if you do go down the Tiny Woot Go route, [897.42] Frank: then you can also sign up for the Tiny Woot Tournament [903.18] Frank: with Paul Jangers. [906.14] Frank: There is, yeah, so the Freestyle, [908.38] Frank: if you send in a 60-second clip on a simulator, [912.62] Frank: if you just record it, stick it up on YouTube, Facebook, [916.06] Frank: or upload it to We Transfer or whatever [919.02] Frank: and send it as that way, yeah, that would be good. [923.66] Frank: And we'll see if we can get some people to do some freestyle. [928.94] Frank: Then we've got Arcee Labottix doing a build [935.34] Frank: of his microscale heli. [938.94] Tony: I dreamt about him last night. [940.54] Tony: Very weird. [941.1] Tony: It was so random, but it was him in a flat. [946.54] Tony: There was pushbikes involved eating cakes [950.62] Tony: and some woman or something. [953.18] Tony: I don't know. [953.66] Tony: But it was definitely him. [954.94] Tony: It was so weird. [955.9] Tony: Anyway, sorry to interrupt, but it was such a weird thing. [960.38] Curry: Stay away from Tony, Carl. [961.98] Curry: He's got plans for you. [963.66] Frank: Yes. [965.18] Frank: We've got Jack and Andy doing a little talk. [968.86] Tony: Andy's like, what? [975.42] Jack: He secretly replaced Andy with Sheldon. [980.3] Frank: Okay. [981.5] Frank: Well, I might have to update myself. [983.18] Jack: No, Andy still wants to do it. [985.9] Jack: He can. [987.26] AndyRC: I have to see how things are. [990.14] AndyRC: Yeah, for at least the first day. [991.82] Jack: For the reason why I replaced him. [993.58] Jack: It sounds way harsher when you say it out loud. [996.14] Curry: The thumbnail image for that was Andy in Harry Potter mode [1001.5] Curry: for at least a day. [1002.46] Jack: I noticed it was my way of trying to see whether he was alert [1009.02] Jack: to anything I was doing. [1010.22] Jack: And so I was trying to ring him. [1017.18] Jack: And yeah, so I was just like, I'll let him off the hook. [1022.06] Jack: Yeah, so he will do it with me. [1024.78] Frank: Jack and Sheldon or Andy or both or none are doing a talk on. [1032.54] AndyRC: What time is that? [1033.42] AndyRC: I don't know. [1033.9] AndyRC: I'll see. [1034.78] Jack: Two o'clock. [1035.98] Jack: Two o'clock. [1037.98] Tony: Thought in the afternoon Saturday. [1039.98] Frank: Philosophy of troubleshooting. [1042.94] Frank: Also including the pitfalls of troubleshooting. [1045.34] Frank: So there should be some funny stories out of that. [1048.06] Jack: I'm really sorry about the wanky name. [1055.34] Curry: That's a challenge. [1056.46] Curry: You should make Jack spell philosophy. [1060.8] Tony: I can't even say it. [1063.68] Tony: Where's this game broadcasted on? [1065.52] Tony: Is it on the website or is it going to be on here? [1072.88] Frank: We've built a viewer on miniairshow.co.uk that will be up there on Saturday. [1081.36] Frank: Can we test it? [1083.04] Frank: Yeah, that it will show all the YouTube videos. [1088.48] Frank: So they're going to be broadcast on all these different YouTube channels. [1094.08] Frank: And you can go and find them there if you want them. [1097.28] Frank: Or we're bringing them together so that it automatically points you to the next one [1102.72] Frank: as it comes up so that you don't have to go hunting around for the next one. [1106.48] Tony: It's going to be re-watched. [1110.08] Tony: Yeah? [1111.04] Frank: Yeah. [1111.68] Frank: You can watch it afterwards. [1113.92] Jack: Oh, are you busy, Tom? [1116.24] Tony: Well, no. [1117.92] Tony: The weather's going to be nice and I want to go out and do a bit of flying. [1120.72] Tony: So I'm going to do a bit of both. [1122.16] Tony: Go out, come back, check it on my phone. [1124.72] Frank: But we'll have to have a live chat room on the day that is not going to be... [1131.6] Frank: You're not going to be able to join that later on. [1135.76] Frank: We've got Kerry. [1136.96] Frank: How are you doing? [1137.44] Frank: Oh, cool. [1140.0] Jack: P-H-I-L-R-S-T-O-M. [1144.96] Curry: We can actually see you looking internally at the screen. [1150.0] AndyRC: Turn your camera around and spell it. [1154.24] AndyRC: No. [1154.88] Jack: Turn your chair and spell it. [1157.2] Jack: It's bullying. [1161.68] Tony: Unless I don't know, you get rid of Jack nowadays. [1164.64] Tony: Pretty easy, isn't it? [1166.48] AndyRC: I would not spell it. [1168.8] Frank: Forgot. [1169.2] AndyRC: No. [1169.6] Frank: Where were we? [1170.16] Frank: Kerry's doing the op-all. [1171.84] Frank: So you can send in any kind of projects that you've been doing while on the lockdown? [1176.16] Frank: Send them into Kerry. [1178.24] Curry: There is still plenty of time to get your entries in. [1180.24] Curry: And don't be worried that, hey, main entry's not a complete build. [1184.24] Curry: Because we've had loads of entries. [1185.52] Curry: Well, we haven't had that many entries. [1186.56] Curry: But we've had entries that aren't complete builds and are just little components. [1190.24] Curry: And some are quite cool in little handy things. [1193.04] Curry: So even if you've got something that's like, oh, I've built a thing for my quad, [1198.08] Curry: which is quite cool. [1198.96] Curry: That'll do. [1199.92] Curry: We like to tell people about these things. [1203.44] Frank: Okay. [1206.24] Frank: Last we've got, we've got [1210.32] Frank: NJ's doing some interviews with some British manufacturers of FPV stuff. [1220.16] Frank: So there's going to be Halo and there's going to be Menace and maybe someone else as well. [1228.24] Frank: If I remember correctly. [1230.32] Frank: And we've got Paul Jaggers doing the Tiny Woot racing on Tiny Woot Go. [1236.24] Frank: And we've got Ali Barrett doing some more sim racing on Belossa Drone. [1242.64] Frank: Then we've got Winterblue from the chat. [1245.04] Frank: We'll be talking with Zoe FPV. [1249.28] Frank: And then we've got some LDO stuff maybe if someone's worked out what we're doing. [1256.08] Frank: What time will that be? [1257.6] Tony: That will be at nine o'clock. [1259.76] Tony: What, in the evening? [1261.04] Tony: Yes. [1261.52] Tony: I should be drunk by then. [1262.8] AndyRC: So I'll probably come on for a full day of it then. [1268.56] Curry: Just like the actual day, except with Les sitting on the grass and watching jets go past. [1276.0] Tony: Yeah. [1276.48] Tony: And hugging and taking the piss out of Jack and stuff. [1280.72] Curry: Still plenty of piss taking it out of Jack. [1282.24] Curry: At least that bit's still there. [1286.08] Tony: Least they're out of his own toilet and not a portal over this one. [1290.08] Frank: Hi Jack. [1298.16] Frank: So yeah, miniaistro.co.uk schedule's up there. [1301.44] Frank: All the details for entering any of the competitions are all up there. [1306.8] Frank: And also the information for the build if you want to join in with Leggy's build. [1313.2] Frank: So yeah, that is the plan for Saturday, 16th of May. [1320.72] Frank: Cool. [1322.96] Tony: Sounds good. [1324.48] Tony: Well, well done. [1325.84] Tony: Thank you, Lockdown. [1329.04] Tony: Lockdown managed to make Frank stay in and do the work for this. [1333.28] Frank: Yeah, exactly. [1337.52] Frank: But hopefully it will keep us kind of a bit encouraged enough to carry on to next year [1349.12] Frank: and have a miniaistro 7 where we can actually all meet up and do stuff in person again. [1355.68] AndyRC: I mean, the Aldi no thing could still happen in August, right? [1360.08] Frank: Aldi no in August, fingers crossed. [1364.0] Frank: Fingers crossed we'll be able to do something there. [1367.04] Frank: Pilt. [1368.08] Frank: This episode was recorded in front of a live online audience, [1371.28] Frank: downloaded and edited to make sense when it played audio only, [1374.8] Frank: censored to please the iTunes people, hosted on the internet, [1377.76] Frank: forwarded through to your podcast provider, downloaded, [1380.24] Frank: playing on your device and is now playing in your ears. [1383.28] Frank: All thanks to our Patreons. [1385.36] Frank: Consider joining them and you'll also get other online benefits. [1388.8] Frank: Find out more at patreon.com forward slash let's drone out. [1393.68] Tony: Anyone seen any new tech come out yet? [1399.44] AndyRC: Yeah, there's a I heard off Cadex that they're producing a nano camera [1406.56] AndyRC: for the DJI system. [1408.32] AndyRC: So it's going to get even lighter. [1410.48] AndyRC: So yeah, it's called the nebula. [1414.96] AndyRC: Yeah, he did a video on you. [1417.92] Frank: You've been doing loads of videos. [1420.32] AndyRC: Well, it was it was a short video, really. [1424.0] AndyRC: Cadex contacted me and and told me all about this camera. [1428.0] AndyRC: And I was like, Oh, and I couldn't find any I said, should you know, [1433.44] AndyRC: this seems like it should be information that people, you know, [1437.84] AndyRC: should know about. [1439.44] AndyRC: Can I make a video on it? [1440.64] AndyRC: They were like, Yeah, sure. [1441.6] AndyRC: I was like, great. [1443.2] AndyRC: So yeah, there's going to be a nano camera for the DJI system. [1448.4] AndyRC: And it's looking pretty good there. [1450.08] AndyRC: They're going to send someone over. [1451.6] AndyRC: I don't know how much it's going to cost. [1453.04] AndyRC: But yeah, there's there's that coming out. [1456.24] AndyRC: But at the same time, I don't know if you guys talked about it last week, [1460.32] AndyRC: but there's the shock bites. [1463.28] AndyRC: Am I saying that right? [1464.4] AndyRC: System. [1465.36] Curry: Oh, yeah, we forgot to mention it last week, didn't we? [1468.08] Frank: Yeah, so we had it after the stream. [1470.56] Frank: I don't think yeah, on the stream. [1473.12] AndyRC: Yeah, so there's that system that's coming out. [1476.88] AndyRC: So it's going to attach to the front of your goggles, [1480.72] AndyRC: two patch antennas and two omnis for diversity. [1486.24] AndyRC: So yeah, that that's that's looking promising. [1491.52] AndyRC: I flew the the new TX 16 S radio master. [1499.84] AndyRC: There's some weird stuff going on with transmitters that has been for a long time. [1504.4] AndyRC: And so jumper came out and copied FR sky stuff that upset our sky. [1511.6] AndyRC: But then within jumper, they split up. [1514.4] AndyRC: And they've made two identical transmitters themselves. [1518.4] AndyRC: Once called radio, not identical. [1520.64] AndyRC: But there's not that much difference between them. [1524.88] AndyRC: So there's that going on. [1525.84] AndyRC: And there's they've got so jumpers got a new transmitter coming out called the T 18. [1531.6] AndyRC: And that that now that one's interesting, because you know, [1536.48] AndyRC: all these transmitters are multi protocol transmitters. [1540.16] AndyRC: The T 18 has got our nine built into it. [1543.84] AndyRC: And I'm very skeptical about that, because how many times have they changed the hardware [1549.36] AndyRC: when it comes to our nine? [1551.12] AndyRC: I think that's a big risk sticking our nine in there as a chip, you know, because [1558.24] Frank: it maybe it means that they've given up on the R&D on the R9 and whatever it is. [1563.04] Frank: Now, that's what it's going to be for the foreseeable future. [1567.52] AndyRC: Well, I'm not too sure if it, you know, when it when they announced all of this access protocol [1574.08] AndyRC: and our nine, they said it wasn't going to need hardware changes that this is our sky. [1579.2] AndyRC: And then noise, then all of a sudden there's a new terrain is there's a [1583.2] AndyRC: all the receivers, if you want over the air, you have to buy all new receivers. [1589.28] AndyRC: So very. [1590.88] AndyRC: And then I also think as well, if you go in long range, I mean, I've tried the R9 system. [1596.48] AndyRC: And if you're on a budget, then sure, but crossfire is would be impossible to replace [1604.0] Jack: for me. So yeah, I don't I don't even know, like what to or whether I should flash from [1615.2] Jack: my tyrannis, because I got the 2019. And is it true if I flash it, then all my X4 R's [1626.16] Jack: stop working. [1627.76] AndyRC: Is that right? [1629.44] Curry: They flash the module. [1630.8] Curry: It's the module, isn't it? Yeah. [1633.2] Curry: If you update OpenTX, you're okay, but don't update the module. [1636.8] Curry: That's why you see this. [1638.96] Curry: I've been on the budget end of the really is I've got this one instead. [1644.4] Curry: Which is actually okay, except the fact this is so weird, because it runs OpenTX. [1650.96] Curry: But can you see a screen or any setup buttons? [1653.04] Curry: No. [1654.0] Curry: So it runs a they forked off a version of OpenTX 224. [1660.0] Curry: You have to go into the OpenTX companion, of which they've made a special version [1664.96] Curry: to try and fiddle about with the endpoints to make it work. [1667.84] Curry: And it's only got one model memory. [1669.12] Curry: So it's not, it's not gonna set the world off fire. [1671.76] Curry: But it is about 30 quid. [1673.28] Curry: And it flies quite well. [1674.8] Curry: This feels one model memory, a one model memory. [1678.88] Curry: So this is essentially, if you've got whoops, you can do your whoops in the same configuration [1686.48] Curry: and use it like that. [1687.52] Curry: And it's got USB and it works on the sim. [1689.68] Curry: And it recharges the battery when you plug it in. [1691.52] Curry: So it's not bad. [1692.48] Curry: It's only 30 quid. [1693.36] Curry: So it's cheaper than a controller. [1696.0] AndyRC: You only need one model memory if you keep all your settings the same. [1700.48] AndyRC: Anyway, that's that's pretty, pretty cool. [1703.52] AndyRC: 30 quid on it. [1704.64] AndyRC: And the proper gimbals as well. [1706.8] AndyRC: They they're sending me one. [1708.24] AndyRC: But because I fly mode one, they got to do some stuff. [1712.0] Curry: Yeah, my only problem was it arrived. [1715.76] Curry: And it sort of made this shaky noise when I rattled it. [1718.96] Curry: And I had to open up twice, because there was there was a weight here which had come loose. [1723.84] Curry: And then when I turned it on, it rattled again, because there's this little piezo buzzer [1727.84] Curry: to act as like a haptic thing. [1729.2] Curry: And that had come out. [1730.96] Curry: So I had a look at the interior. [1733.12] Curry: It didn't look like an easy conversion to mode one. [1735.44] Curry: I had to say the gimbals didn't quite look the same. [1738.08] Curry: It's not like you could just swap things over easily. [1741.12] AndyRC: So is it D16 and D8? [1744.64] Curry: Yeah, it can even do D16, FCC and LBT and D8. [1748.96] AndyRC: How does it do that with no screen as it got like you have to [1752.64] AndyRC: as it let up see down see left see right see by. [1757.04] Curry: At the back here, there's a bind button and a setup button. [1760.0] Curry: If you just press bond on its own, it goes into bind mode. [1762.64] Curry: If you press bind, whilst holding down the power button for a while and then you let go, [1769.92] Curry: it changes as there's this little there's an LED here, [1774.08] Curry: which goes it goes green when I turn on and it should hopefully go to blue. [1777.76] Curry: That little purple flash there three flashes means it's D8. [1781.36] Curry: One flash is D16 FCC two flashes D16 LBT. [1786.16] Curry: So the setup options are a pain in the ass. [1789.44] Curry: I will not lie to you there. [1793.92] Curry: It was actually okay, the gimbals feel quite good that there was one of them [1797.04] Curry: which was really flicking around on beta flight, which didn't want to center nicely. [1801.52] Curry: But it didn't seem to have any drift issues. So not all bad. [1805.68] AndyRC: Yeah, it looks interesting. Yeah. [1809.28] AndyRC: I assumed it was just going to be a D8 transmitter. [1812.72] Curry: But yeah, I think that first one was just a D8. [1815.76] Curry: So they they've upped the game slightly on this one to make it more compatible. [1819.92] AndyRC: I'd ask you what the range is like. [1821.92] AndyRC: But I imagine you can you've gone. [1823.68] Curry: It can go all the way from here to my garden. [1825.92] Curry: Oh, God. That's all I've tested. [1828.4] Curry: So I've only tested it on a WOOP obviously, because I haven't been out anywhere. [1832.56] Curry: My problem is I still feel kind of locked down because where I sort of lost my fly field, [1838.08] Curry: it was like 10 minutes away. [1839.2] Curry: It's now like an hour's trench through the woods or after dry for like 40 minutes. [1844.0] Curry: So I'm still sort of stuck inside to a great extent, unfortunately. [1847.76] Curry: So yeah, I still want to do I've got a whole bunch of things building up now [1851.92] Curry: that I'm like, Oh, once once lockdowns done, I'll have a look at this to see what [1855.76] Curry: the range is like, to see what the flying is like. [1857.36] Curry: But I haven't done anything else. [1859.6] AndyRC: What have you got? Because I've got nothing. [1862.64] Curry: Well, I've still got just the stuff already done, like the sector one for two [1865.92] Curry: and they are the green hornet. [1867.68] AndyRC: You want to do that with the mirror. [1870.0] Curry: Yeah, I had I had a bunch of stuff from last time. [1872.56] Curry: Like I had one of those nameless in 47 quads that I didn't get to fly properly. [1878.96] Curry: And there's like a couple of built things. [1881.76] Curry: So I've got I've got that GPS installed on the quad. [1885.52] Curry: So it's like, Oh, look, I can get a signal. [1887.2] Curry: It works. Next time we'll actually fly it. [1890.48] Curry: And I've got a VTX to install somewhere. [1893.92] Curry: So a bunch of stuff. [1895.6] Curry: But I'll be going off to a field with like a whole bag of batteries and bags of quads [1900.88] Curry: where I can eventually get going somewhere. [1903.52] Curry: Excellent. [1904.88] Frank: I've had the major oversight of not actually fixing anything. [1912.4] Frank: And instead just focusing on like Netflix, [1918.32] Frank: a mini air show and all that kind of stuff. [1921.6] Frank: And just keep myself entertained at the time instead of preparing anything to fly. [1926.24] Frank: So even when I am allowed that fly, I've still got a sort of things that I've got. [1931.84] Frank: Well, I've got that kite that I ordered back in January and received in April, March, April. [1939.36] Frank: I can go and fly a kite at some point. [1942.32] Curry: That's excellent. [1942.96] Curry: How do you FPV it? [1944.8] Curry: You're missing the point here. [1946.32] Frank: I've had a a wing cam on a kite before. [1952.08] AndyRC: Do you have to put an operator ID on a kite? [1956.4] Frank: No, but if I put long enough lines on, [1960.32] Frank: which one of my kites does, then I would have to get permission from the CIA. [1965.6] Jack: Oh, but for a kite. [1968.16] Curry: I think kites and balloons were the two exemptions, weren't they, [1971.2] Curry: on the flying things with cameras. [1973.36] Curry: But obviously, as soon as you start getting too high, it's like, [1976.32] AndyRC: Yeah, there is still an altitude. [1978.16] Curry: Kill people. [1980.08] AndyRC: Yeah, there's no other air traffic in the air anyway. [1983.44] AndyRC: So, you know, fill your boots, I'd say. [1987.92] Frank: Yeah, pretty much. [1992.13] Frank: There was someone mentioned in the chat about rules and rules changing. [1996.29] Frank: And like, yeah, rules may be going to change at some point, [2002.45] Frank: but it's definitely not going to be before November. [2005.09] Frank: There's some weirdness about it. [2007.01] Frank: But like, I wouldn't waste any time thinking about what those might be at the moment. [2015.89] AndyRC: Yeah, just use common sense. [2018.45] AndyRC: And because everything else is just ridiculous, the way I see it. [2022.77] Frank: Yeah, nothing is going to massively change before November, in terms of the rules. [2031.41] Frank: I mean, the biggest thing was like them putting in remote ID in the roadmap for 2023. [2039.17] Frank: But oh, yeah, there was a maximum takeoff weight. [2045.97] Frank: So they've clarified that, yeah, they mean what it actually [2049.81] Frank: weighs instead of because there was a big concern a few months ago that [2055.89] Frank: technically the definitions that they'd used were maximum takeoff mass, [2062.13] Frank: which is based on basically thrust rather than actual weight. [2068.85] Frank: And therefore, you know, if you have a [2072.29] Frank: like a toothpick that's got six kilos of thrust, then is that considered a six kilo model? [2083.57] Frank: And they've clarified that if you built it yourself, then yeah, it doesn't matter [2090.61] Frank: what it could be. It's what it actually is. [2095.25] Frank: Which is what everyone kind of assumed anyway, but someone had gone, hold on. [2099.33] Frank: There's a little detail there. It's a bit of an issue. [2103.89] Curry: Yeah, somebody sounds like they're even more pedantic than me, because to me, it sounds like [2109.25] Curry: what is the weight of your or the mass of your quad? I was like, well, it weighs this much. [2114.37] Curry: Somebody's like, actually, I think what you mean is the thrust capacity. [2119.89] Frank: And like, well, that was what it was. We all hate that guy. [2122.93] Frank: Maximum takeoff mass. And maximum takeoff mass is a technical phrase that is used in lots of [2131.01] Frank: technical documents. And therefore, based on the general aviation, maximum takeoff mass means the [2137.97] Frank: maximum that that aircraft could be and still take off. So that's based on the thrust or the [2147.89] Frank: structural integrity of the thing and not how much it actually weighs at the time. Because, [2152.69] Frank: you know, if you put three tons on it and it still just gradually gets up in the air, [2157.41] Frank: then it's still that is its maximum takeoff mass. [2160.85] Curry: That is weird. It serves them right for trying to be clever with words instead of just saying [2166.21] Curry: it can't weigh more than this. [2167.81] Frank: Exactly. Yeah. Basically, someone has accidentally trodden on a kind of aviation [2177.89] Frank: technical term landline. And we just mean the actual mass. Don't worry about it. [2184.29] Curry: Did anything come of the fact that like, I remember the original definitions always said [2190.77] Curry: the maximum, let's call it the maximum weight can be this much, not including the fuel. And we're [2196.37] Curry: like, oh, LiPo is a fuel. It just says we can take the fuel out at the end of the flight. [2202.93] Frank: Is that any clearer now? How much it actually weighs, then that's including the battery because [2211.01] Frank: that's how much it weighs whilst it's flying. That means it's also going to include the fuel [2218.43] Tony: I would imagine. There we go. Is there any stuff to win Saturday? [2228.03] Frank: We haven't the warm, fussy feeling of a job well done. [2234.83] Jack: Can't really send anyone anything or go out and get anything. [2238.19] Frank: The problem is, usually, we'd be charging someone for something. [2247.47] Frank: Or we'd have sponsors or whatever. But this has been something that we've put together in [2252.03] Frank: basically three weeks and no one's paying any money for anything. So, [2260.19] Frank: I mean, if you want to check us a bit of money to cover the cost of running a website for another [2265.15] Frank: year until the next event where we can actually charge some people for some stuff, then. [2270.27] Curry: I think Tony's got a point. We watch it on the millennials. Why don't we make a certificate that [2275.15] Curry: they can print at home that says, well done, you participated in Mini Airshow 6. They can [2279.95] Jack: feel their own naming. They can definitely do that. Print DIY certificates. That's amazing. [2289.39] Jack: Seems fair. Set up a PayPal link. How much do you need? What's the PayPal link? How much do you need? [2295.71] Frank: It will be paypal.me forward slash Mini Airshow. That is our PayPal link. [2303.07] Curry: Send money to Frank at paypal.me forward slash Mini Airshow. Do it now. Oh, he'll die. [2310.11] Jack: Less dramatic. Oh, beautiful. There you go. For just £3 a month, you can provide Mini Airshow [2321.23] Jack: with a website. Were you given the wrong kind of painless 360? [2331.47] Lee: I was accused of lurking in the background by Jack, so I thought, I can do the last 10 minutes. [2337.55] Lee: I thought I'd jump in because my ears were burning. I thought, I wonder why that is. [2342.91] Lee: Someone was talking about me in the chat, so I answered the question. [2348.83] AndyRC: Your ears should burn every Thursday because it's always painless 360 every Thursday. [2358.75] Jack: Don't need me anymore now, Frank. See you later, guys. [2361.31] Lee: I can't believe it. What did I miss? Because I've been having a really busy day today, [2370.19] Lee: so I literally just dived in to catch up and saw those bits. [2373.39] Jack: I've put my little Frank Flushie next to painless [2380.99] Jack: Funko. Then to a little friends like you two in real life. Friends don't need me anymore. [2388.67] Jack: This is all I'm left with. I talk to them now. [2395.23] Lee: Well, I'm glad you, well, at least not on their own now. [2400.83] Lee: So sorry, I jumped in and interrupted the chat that was going on. Apologies, please. [2405.31] Lee: It was nothing interesting, don't worry about it. [2408.75] Lee: Is the Radio Master still alive? [2412.35] Lee: It's still alive and still. You know what I did today with it, which I was really impressed with, [2417.07] Lee: is you can stick another four in one module in the back and you can make it a wireless trainer [2424.35] Lee: for any other radio. So your other radio to connect to this in the back and then use the one [2428.99] Lee: in the top to control your model. So if you have another spare radio, like a free sky or a fly [2434.67] Lee: sky or whatever, you can have wireless trainer function. Now that sounds really good. It only [2440.35] Lee: took me three and a half hours of buggering about today because the documentation is that [2446.99] Lee: crap. But loads of people said, oh, show us how to do that. So I had to look and found the three [2452.67] Lee: places on the Internet that talks about it and thought, oh, that's dead easy. Three and a half [2457.39] Lee: hours later, I actually got in touch with the manufacturer and just went, I'm obviously being [2462.43] Lee: really thin. And they went, oh, no, no, no, no, there's a little wrinkle that's going to be [2466.99] Lee: fixing OpenTX next week. So but this is the trick. But a really cool thing is it means now [2475.55] Lee: me and my mate can be socially distant when we go flying. And if you want to do the trainer [2481.31] Lee: function, I don't have to buy a really, really long cable to have them physically connected. [2486.83] Jack: So there's that. Did you not like the plastic on that? Because you were in your review, you were [2492.91] Lee: like, you just Yeah, it's the problem is, is what everyone and what I keep forgetting is this is [2501.79] Lee: 130 quid price is crazy. The price is bananas, considering what the radio was. And so it's not [2510.83] Lee: going to feel as nice as a three $400 radio. And if you think of it like that, it's absolutely [2515.71] Lee: amazing. It's just if you compare it to some of the really high end radios that you get your hands [2520.03] Lee: on, it doesn't feel quite as nice. But actually, the black plastic, I think hides a multitude of [2526.35] Lee: sins. I think it is a slightly nicer plastic, to be fair. But the big deal for me is that I mean, [2531.87] Lee: is the bigger doobies at the back. It's it's not as nice for pinching. Oh, thanks. [2539.47] Lee: So if you do so if you're finishing, I think you need to dangle it from a neck strap. Because if [2545.87] Lee: you dangle it from a neck strap, it's easier for pinchers. But for thumb as it's lovely. But no, [2551.55] Lee: well, hopefully, I'm gonna have the T 18. Is it the one from jumper? [2558.03] AndyRC: Yeah. Because what are those guys doing? It's almost like they're trying to just out like [2564.59] AndyRC: they've had a full out and they're trying to outdo each other. I've got the 16. Well, [2569.71] AndyRC: I'll bring out the x 16. Well, I'm doing the 18 now. And we were talking about it, [2576.51] AndyRC: the 18 is going to have the R nine chip in it. And I think that is a really big gamble, [2582.51] AndyRC: considering how much the R nine hardware keeps changing. What do you think about that on the T [2589.15] AndyRC: 18? Have you got some fish and fish and water? Yeah. For those who will listen on the podcast, [2599.71] Lee: I've just done that whole curl lip thing. I'm not a fan of the R9M. I don't think it's a very good [2604.99] Lee: system. I think for the money, it's not bad. But if you're trying to use it for serious long range, [2609.55] Lee: I don't think it cuts the mustard. And that I haven't got the T 18. So I haven't got it yet. [2616.43] Lee: The challenge. And interesting, the one I think the review sort of is turning into talking about [2620.75] Lee: this bloody radio, which wasn't why I came on. But anyway, the it's a new bit of tech that's [2625.71] Lee: come out. And it's one of the main bits of text. It's big news. Yeah, we have lots of big tech, [2631.63] Lee: have we? So the inside of this, the big changes that have gone from the ribbon cables to proper [2636.35] Lee: discrete connectors. And lots of people, including me, have had problem with the T 16, [2642.59] Lee: because those ribbon cables get loose over time and come undone. And then you have whole sets of [2648.35] Lee: switches that are on daughterboards stop working. These guys have kind of gone, that was a really [2654.03] Lee: bad decision. And the internals a little bit better. So so so that there's kind of two [2659.95] Lee: methodologies here between the radio master guys, and the jumper guys. The T 18, I think, [2666.35] Lee: is really interesting for those who want to do on iron and stuff, but don't the module, [2670.51] Lee: why not? You can if you're clever, you can use electronics within the antenna that essentially [2678.03] Lee: make it appear longer for the on iron and lower wavelengths without having to have two antennas. [2684.19] Lee: If you're a ham or amateur radio guy, you know what I'm talking about. But it's, it's, it's just [2691.63] Lee: so exciting to have so much choice on radios like this. Because last time I was on, if you remember, [2698.51] Lee: we were talking about you know, we're doing that whole back to the future thing. And we were [2702.67] Lee: talking about the fact that you went here about the thing where we were saying, would you recommend [2709.55] Lee: the free sky radios right now? And none of us would put our hands on our hearts and say, yeah, [2714.51] Lee: we wholeheartedly would. Whereas two years ago, we probably would. It's kind of fun that we've got [2720.51] Lee: choices. Because the other thing as well is this sucker will bind to free sky version one point x [2727.79] Lee: receivers, and version 2.1. And later receivers. So that whole issue that free sky have introduced [2734.11] Lee: by upgrading the firmware, which is, which doesn't work with the old stuff and the bind and fly [2740.19] Lee: stuff. It doesn't matter if you have one of these, it works with both are tested, it works great. [2745.47] Lee: So it's, yeah, how it how it survives in the field, day after day, month after month, I don't know. [2755.23] Lee: But so far, we're not in a great position either. So so far. So good. [2761.23] Curry: I thought free sky would try to lock people out with that version two. And that was [2765.79] AndyRC: gonna know what I thought sky I tried, I tried so long to like, be on board with what they're [2774.35] AndyRC: doing. But it just seems like they're digging their own grave now, doesn't it? You know? [2780.67] Lee: Well, the whole thing with the free sky version two point x update the firmware is they were [2785.07] Lee: addressing a dangerous bug that had happened to a number of pilots and actually more than you think [2790.27] Lee: I did a poll on the channel, because I thought it was one of those things that they would kind of [2793.87] Lee: know. So it's genuine, man. Yeah, yeah, there is a genuine, but about 5% of all the people who [2799.31] Lee: responded to my poll said they had experienced the book. I've never seen it in five years of flying. [2804.27] Lee: I don't know. What is the book then? So the book is that you see it more with LGBT rather than FCC, [2812.67] Lee: and it can cause uncommanded extreme movements of the channel. So if that's connected to your [2819.15] Lee: throttle or use a servo for a control or into your beats flight control, whatever it is, [2824.35] Lee: it'll make the model do pretty horrific stuff. Now, so what free sky did is they went, okay, [2830.03] Lee: we're going to fix this tick V good. And what they did is they fixed it. But in version 2.0, [2835.07] Lee: the firm where they also introduced extra levels of encryption, which meant that it wouldn't work [2840.59] Lee: and changed funds, a number of things fundamentally, again, this is my loose understanding, [2846.27] Lee: which meant that it wouldn't bind or work to anything else. So if you upgraded your receivers [2851.07] Lee: or one radio to the version 2.0 with the firmware, you had to upgrade everything. And that's the [2857.31] Lee: thing that I had an issue with. It's like, hang on a minute. Why can we not have radios? Bearing [2863.63] Lee: in mind that I've got one, I'm looking at the radio master that can do it. Why don't you give [2867.95] Lee: us the option of having one or the other and be able to choose? Why not force us? Because the [2874.67] Lee: the result of that change was that if you upgraded your radio to the version 2.0 with the firmware [2880.75] Lee: to match the receivers to fix this issue, you then couldn't bind to all of these bind and fly, [2886.11] Lee: tiny whoops, all these little quads that we get in. And if you got a quad in with an older version [2894.03] Lee: of the firmware, you'd have to update it to version two to use it. And that just felt like [2897.95] Jack: a really draconian way of handling the problem to me. What's going to happen with the stuff like [2907.63] Jack: the stuff we've receivers built into it, like the SPL? All that won't work, probably. [2917.07] Lee: Yeah, all that won't work. So you lose the ability to bind with all of that stuff, which is, [2922.43] Lee: I think, I personally think that was potentially part of the FreeSky decision to do it because [2929.63] Lee: that then limits all of these people that have cloned and copied the protocol that they have. [2935.87] Lee: And it kind of shuts all that down. But the backlash, I think, has been so severe in the [2940.59] Lee: 2.1 version of the firmware, they've removed some of that additional encryption and security. [2946.27] Lee: So now if you use version 2.1, you can bind to it with things like these multi-protocol radios. [2952.19] Lee: So you can do one or the other. But again, it was just a really weird way of doing it. [2957.55] Lee: And it felt like they were trying to use a sledgehammer to crack a peanut and to penalize [2962.51] Lee: all of us. If you're a new pilot and you've only got two quads, then updating it is a pain in the [2968.99] Lee: arse, but it's no big deal. If you're like us, where you have multiple, maybe 20 receivers, [2974.51] Lee: some of them are buried inside models or hot glued inside foam wings or God knows what else, [2982.03] Lee: that is such a massive deal. Because as soon as you flash your radio, [2985.31] Lee: you can't talk to all those older versions of the receivers that you've got buried away. [2989.39] Jack: Yeah, I'm not looking forward to flashing like, you know, I think I've got like about five [2995.79] Jack: D4R2s and, you know, and then God knows, two or three X4Rs. No, the X4Rs and the XDRs. [3006.35] AndyRC: Yeah. If you don't update them, you cannot open TX all you want. Just don't update it. Basically, [3016.59] Curry: you know, I've never had D4R2s on these and D8R2s, the old ones and all sorts. [3025.71] Curry: Nothing's getting updated because I'm not digging those out of foam. [3029.63] AndyRC: I'm glad that it is just the module actually, because I'm running a nightly [3035.07] AndyRC: on my X9D. I really need to update it to the official open TX. [3044.03] AndyRC: While you're here, Lee, I'm not sure whether you've got any juice on this or not. But [3051.39] AndyRC: can you tell us anything about the shark bite or any views or opinions expressed on this show [3058.83] Jack: personal may not reflect or have anything to do with the nonsense that comes out of Andy RC's [3065.07] Jack: and playing this has reversed the right to answer that truthfully. [3072.03] Lee: What? You're saying I can plead the fifth? [3073.87] AndyRC: Why is that nonsense? I thought it was a valid thing. I've been talking about it. I've seen the [3080.67] Lee: footage. I'm looking forward to it myself. For those who are interested, I'm sure [3086.59] Lee: Andy's talked about it. I talked to Andy about it. Was it last week when we were on the phone? [3092.27] Lee: Last week wasn't it? The new footage is out. There's a whole FAQ that's linked. You can [3100.67] Lee: see it by the fat shark links. I can talk about anything that's in the public domain. [3105.87] Lee: It seems to be progressing well. They've obviously changed the name so that if you Google for it, [3110.67] Lee: you don't find all the stuff on bite frost, which was the beta test stuff. It's very different from [3117.31] Lee: the DJI HD system. It's very different from analog. I think it looks like it's an awful [3124.03] Lee: lot more complimentary if you have analog pilots flying at the same time, which I'm excited about [3131.31] Lee: because flying the DJI HD stuff with my mate means we have to try to be at polar opposite ends [3136.51] Lee: of raceband to try and be out of each other's way. That's not always possible with all the kit we've [3142.35] Lee: got, but it would be nice to have an HD system. I'd sacrifice a little bit of clarity for the HD [3148.67] Lee: image for the ability to fly with two or three other mates on an analog system or maybe one or [3154.75] Lee: two of them on the fat shark HD system as well. Just the ability to choose and just fly what you've [3161.87] Lee: got rather than everyone have to do one or the other would just be so nice. I also think it's [3167.39] AndyRC: going to look so much better through the HDO 2s than it will on a computer screen as well. [3175.55] AndyRC: That's been my experience of the HDO 2s. I thought about because you can do the analog [3184.43] AndyRC: mod with the DJI goggles. I did that and flew it for a bit and then went back to the HDO 2s. [3192.67] AndyRC: When it comes to analog, it's got to be the HDO 2s. It'd be really interesting to see what that [3198.83] AndyRC: shark bite looks like through those. We'll have to see how much they cost as well. [3205.55] Curry: I think one of the things we talked about, potentially it was after hours we might not [3209.47] Curry: talk about on the show is fat sharks seem to be using a quite unfortunate quad to demonstrate [3215.71] Curry: that with. It was all over the place. In fact, that first video was taken down, wasn't it, [3219.95] AndyRC: where Greg was flying. They did another video. The other video is much better. Some people just [3238.27] AndyRC: love to hate this. One thing I don't like about the DJI thing coming out is these people that just [3246.03] AndyRC: can't be open-minded and are just so one-track mind. It never even crossed my mind when the [3252.91] AndyRC: DJI thing came out. Analog is dead. Of course, it's not dead. How can it? There are people like [3258.99] AndyRC: that, unfortunately. I was impressed. I was intrigued. Anything that's new tech and different. [3267.71] AndyRC: I've got the HDO 2s. I'd love to see what it is like. It needs competition as well. DJI, [3278.51] AndyRC: if you look at their camera drones, they've always been complacent. They lead the camera drone [3285.79] AndyRC: thing. When they bring out a new one, it's like, oh, they've changed the color. Oh, [3290.59] AndyRC: it's got an extra sensor. Competition is good, I think. [3299.15] Lee: I think you're right, Andy. I think the competition, having other systems, interestingly, [3302.91] Lee: Connex pinged me about something that they've got going on. Having other HD systems just keeps [3308.51] Lee: everybody on their toes and honest. I've got the DJI HD system as well now. I play with it. I've [3315.71] Lee: just put it into the mini drag. That's hopefully going to be made next week. The really thing that [3322.03] Lee: bugs me is why the hell didn't they do something like put a HDMI output on the goggles? It's really [3329.15] Lee: basic stuff, this. It's just because you could argue that it locks you into that ecosystem a [3337.23] Lee: little bit more because the only way you can get HDMI out of the HD system from DJI is to buy the [3343.07] AndyRC: smart controller. It turns out that it actually needs a processing board. The DJI system doesn't [3358.43] AndyRC: have HDMI out. It needs a separate processor to convert the signal into a picture. It was a [3370.03] AndyRC: really bad choice. I think the DJI have got another monitor. I think it's called something [3376.27] AndyRC: crystal or something like that. I know that there's no raw video coming out of that USB [3388.03] AndyRC: connector on the DJI. It needs a processor to create the signal, which is very silly. [3398.11] AndyRC: 600 quid for those smart controllers. That's really disappointing for the DJI. Hopefully, [3405.55] AndyRC: they could come out with just a little box that processes the signal and you can just have HDMI [3412.43] AndyRC: out. For now, I think they probably looked at their arsenal of products and thought, [3419.15] AndyRC: oh, the smart controller has got this processor in it. We'll make it work with that first. [3427.79] Lee: That's the information I was given. I was just disappointed. When they arrived, [3432.03] Lee: I was unpacking them because every other set of goggles I've had for the past three years [3436.83] Lee: have had a HDMI port out. They've had a HDMI port input actually, most of them. I'm looking [3445.15] Lee: around thinking there's got to be an HDMI outright, surely, because how do I plug them [3449.87] Lee: into my mate's goggles so he can see what I can see? The answer is, I can't. It was just like, [3454.99] Lee: oh, you're joking. My mate has to stand there as I grin like an idiot flying an HD. He's got, [3462.35] Lee: what's it like? I have to say, it's really, really clear. Then afterwards, I send him the link to [3468.43] Lee: the YouTube video so we can see it. He goes, oh, it's lovely, won't it? The moment's lost. There's [3472.99] Lee: none of that collaboration, unless he goes and spends 600 quid on set of his own goggles. [3478.35] Lee: Exactly. [3481.07] Jack: Like a really good reviewer. [3483.47] Lee: Yeah, absolutely. Money to burn. [3491.73] Lee: We're not going to go any further down that rabbit hole, are we? [3495.09] Jack: You're not as good as a reviewer. You need full testing. Use all the equipment. [3506.29] Lee: Yeah. I think one set of goggles on that stuff is more than enough. For me, I'm with Andrew [3516.21] Lee: a little bit with this, is that I really am excited about to see what Bikrost is actually like. [3521.73] Lee: He uses a different transmission system. It's far more complimentary. If I can fly with my mate, [3528.29] Lee: if I can potentially get it so that he can view it that way, HDMI leading his goggles, [3534.45] Lee: his fat sharks, or whatever he's got, that just feels like a far more fun day at the field than [3541.01] Lee: me just talking to him about how nice everything looks while he stares at me looking like something [3545.57] Lee: out of Rainbow Six Vegas. But anyway, what have you got? Sorry, I missed a bit of the show. Anyone [3554.93] Lee: has to waste tech in this week? Because China's open. Have a look of it. [3560.93] AndyRC: Yeah, I've got the Insta 1R camera and the Go camera that Tony was talking about. [3572.21] AndyRC: They seem to be real. I was doing 360 videos on drones three, four years ago. All of a sudden, [3584.77] AndyRC: it's a popular thing now. I don't know why, but yeah. 360 hips, do you? [3591.33] AndyRC: Yeah. The Insta 1R is interesting though because it's modular. [3599.49] AndyRC: It can be a 360 camera, but it can also be... I like it. Looking at it, it just seems like a [3607.81] Frank: massive gimmick. Why would you want to have to take it apart and put it back together again? [3615.25] Curry: Well, I thought that Andy, but a lot of people... The guy looking at Lego. [3620.45] AndyRC: A lot of people are going out and buying it. I think it's because it is modular, so you can [3629.41] AndyRC: just buy the 4K action camera, which is stable. It's got a similar thing to Hypersmooth. [3635.97] AndyRC: Some people are saying that they prefer it over their GoPro. [3639.65] Tony: I think a lot of it's the 360 Go. [3646.61] Tony: Yes, yes. [3652.85] Jack: Is there actually... I was thinking about this the other day. Is there actually a... [3657.65] Jack: Well, no. Me and Magical Pencil were chatting about it. Is there actually a GoPro Hero... [3664.37] Jack: No, a GoPro... What are they called? The number fives that are... [3669.49] Jack: Session. Session five killer. Is there something that full factor that is better than that now, [3678.29] Jack: or are we still chasing that down? [3681.17] Curry: Isn't that Runcam, the successor to Runcam that looked exactly the same, [3685.97] AndyRC: do a fairly good session impression? [3689.09] AndyRC: The only thing that they've not been able to match is the audio that comes from them. [3694.93] AndyRC: I suppose the Orca from... Was it Cadex that made the Orca? That had better sound, [3705.09] AndyRC: but it was basically a tarsier in a box, so no one's really come along and matched the session, [3712.05] AndyRC: but GoPro in general with their Hero 7 and 8 are sort of... I don't know whether you could [3720.13] AndyRC: pack that type of technology into a little box these days, so I think that's perhaps why [3725.97] AndyRC: they have done away with it, but we'd all jump at the chance of having a session five with Hyper [3734.61] AndyRC: Smooth and all of that business, but GoPro you could probably buy for about a quid at the moment, [3740.53] AndyRC: so I can't see it happening. [3745.65] Jack: All right, shall we cut it there? [3748.61] Frank: I didn't know if there was something, Lee, that you wanted to plug or anything before we tie up? [3755.65] Lee: Well, I think you've talked about the show, that's literally the bit where I joined and [3759.73] Lee: you were going through the agenda. Is that what you're talking about for Saturday? [3764.69] Frank: Yes, yeah, Mini Air Show. [3770.53] Frank: Is all the sign-ups for all the competitions and the schedule of all the things that are happening? [3775.65] Lee: Yeah, Andrew's put an awful... Sorry, Frank, forget the forum, has put an awful lot of [3782.69] Lee: hard-working effort and he's been working and lined up loads of people, so I'm on there doing [3787.41] Lee: a bit at 10 o'clock about something, but there's far more interesting stuff going on throughout [3792.93] Lee: the day. The entire agenda is up there already on the website. I know it's not exactly the way that [3799.01] Lee: we'd all like to get together, we'd all really like to be in a field, talking broken biscuits [3804.93] Lee: at each other, sipping beers, watching people fly and having a lovely time catching up with [3809.89] Lee: people that we only get to see at these shows. I always give anything to dry hump Andy, [3815.49] Lee: I'll see you right about now. That's probably a good thing that Andy gets to have a dry leg [3822.45] AndyRC: for another couple of months. I'm really enjoying social distancing. [3827.97] Jack: Nothing's changed for him. In fact, it's better for him. He prefers it. He's the only one who's [3836.37] Lee: not going to be mentally challenged by this. As another content creator, I'm in the same boat. [3844.21] Lee: I think lots of us, day-to-day, our lives haven't materially changed that much apart from we were [3850.21] Lee: getting less stuff for a while. Just to finish what I'm saying, yeah, it's a great chance for [3854.37] Lee: us to meet up virtually. If you can't make it throughout the day, just come and join in for [3860.05] Lee: the sessions that you're interested in. There's going to be live chat running all the time. [3863.49] Lee: You don't have to remember lots of different places to go. Everything's going to be linked [3866.85] Lee: via that one single page. If you just leave that page open and wander and just get stuck in when [3873.01] Lee: you've got a spare half an hour to get involved with it, it'll be lovely to meet everyone up [3877.97] Lee: there. It'd just be nice just to talk to people about the hobby as opposed to what the hell's [3882.85] Frank: going on in the world and all the crap. I definitely can't take all the credit. There's [3887.97] Frank: a whole bunch of volunteers. If you want to get involved for Miniasho 7, then you can get in touch [3895.49] Frank: through, again, miniasho.co.uk or the Facebook page, facebook.com forward slash Miniasho. [3901.49] Frank: Fraser Steen has put in a huge amount of effort. Fraser's been amazing. [3906.93] Frank: Make this one happen. Definitely. Thank you, Fraser. [3912.37] AndyRC: Nice one, Fraser. Share some of that whiskey with you. [3916.37] AndyRC: That's all our pictures. [3918.77] AndyRC: With his little whiskey jar around his neck. [3923.17] Jack: This collection is impressive. [3925.65] AndyRC: Yeah, it's like you take a sip of that and it's like that was about four quid's worth. [3931.41] Jack: I'm going to be on the Thursday Night Show at 11. If you go to the ThursdayNightShow.com, [3939.89] Jack: I will be on there playing 80s music with my time-traveling sex robot. If you guys can tune [3946.69] Jack: in to that, that would be amazing. [3949.49] Tony: Right, fine. They might come on for five minutes. Take the pee and then leave. [3955.09] Tony: Call us out then, Jack. [3956.53] Jack: Don't worry. Thank you. You've been listening to Let's Grow Now. Thank you to all our patrons [3961.89] Jack: who sponsor and keep the show going and feed our editor and stop Frank from stress killing me. [3969.57] Jack: You've been joined by my little Tony. [3974.13] Jack: Everyone's favorite Andy R.C. [3977.89] Jack: Everyone's favorite Carrie Kitten. [3980.29] Jack: Goodbye. [3981.57] Jack: And basically, Mini Air Show, the other half of it that's not Fraser, Andrew slash Frank. [3987.89] Frank: MiniAirShow.co.uk. [3990.37] Jack: And also, the best talk that's probably going to be on the Mini Air Show is Painters 360. [3997.25] Lee: Thank you, buddy. But yeah, it's not going to be that good. [4002.29] Lee: I'll do my best. I'll do my best. [4005.01] Jack: It's going to be better than mine. [4006.37] Jack: I'll see you then. And Andy, I'll see if he's still talking to me or gets out of bed. [4012.61] Jack: Thank you. Good night.