=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 275 ===
Title: LDO 275 - E-Winging It
Recorded: 2020-12-03
Hosts: Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna
Guest(s): Greig (E-Wings), Lee "Painless360" Schofield
Total audience: 1,971
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HnCL3Avd4); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/941925037-letsdroneout-ldo-275-e-winging-it.mp3)
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Greig runs E-Wings ( https://www.ewingsfpv.co.uk/ ), a UK fpv wing kit manufacturer, who recently released their new Blackhawk ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g59fBVlnIU )

[0.0] Curry: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, the original and best drone themed podcast.
[5.0] Curry: We record the show live on the Thursday night on youtube.com forward slash Let's Drone Out
[10.0] Curry: and our lovely patrons help with the editing costs.
[12.0] Curry: These are Wacky Wes, Mikey Dread, Art Faulkner, Carlos Campos. Thank you.
[20.0] Payne: Hello and welcome back to another fantastic episode of Let's Drone Out.
[57.7] Payne: Tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten. Hello. Any chance of a disclaimer, mate?
[64.7] Curry: Any views expressed by any guests on this show are personal and may not reflect the views of others. Thank you.
[70.7] Payne: And we are joined by a friend of mine, Payne the 360.
[75.7] Payne: Good evening.
[77.7] Payne: And a friend of the show. We are joined by, welcome to your second episode, The Lovely Blue Owl.
[84.7] BlueOwl: Hi.
[85.7] Payne: And we've got this very Scottish man, which you may or may not understand.
[93.7] Payne: We're looking at maybe implementing subtitles. It's Greg.
[98.7] Payne: Hello.
[99.7] Payne: Hello from E-Wings. And we've got Andrew slash Frank.
[104.7] Payne: Good evening.
[106.7] Payne: In another Christmas jumper, my friend.
[108.7] Payne: What's going on?
[110.7] Payne: Oh, yeah. And I'm Payne.
[112.7] BlueOwl: How many more are we going to see?
[114.7] Frank: I just have to keep watching every week and find out.
[117.7] Payne: And my loving wife, he's muted themselves and turned the camera off.
[124.7] Payne: Did you turn it off because you were in the mood of me or?
[128.7] Tony: No, just in case you started throwing it all at me again, I was just going to leave.
[135.7] Payne: It's OK. We found out that you can't be trusted.
[138.7] Payne: So anyway, so in place of Andy, I see we've got Payne, a 360, which is, I think, a really good idea to have you on because you actually own one of Greg's new wings called the Black Hawk.
[156.7] Payne: And when we were chatting to you last time, you were saying and had like a little vote on what graphics to put on your wing.
[165.7] Payne: And we can see that you've gone with a PCB circuit board design.
[169.7] Lee: So it's all your fault.
[174.7] Lee: I remember voting for it.
[176.7] Lee: Yeah, absolutely. So that's how I did. And it's even got a much more complicated graphic design thing at the bottom.
[184.7] Lee: But I'm here as an impartial. Well, not impartial because I've flown loads of things.
[190.7] Lee: But just as a pilot, he's actually flown some of Greg's stuff because I know I know Greg will be very self-effacing and just kind of like play down how good it is.
[200.7] Lee: And I can talk to how good it actually was because I have flown it and flown it a lot. It's yeah. Good luck.
[206.7] Payne: So anyway, we've got Greg. He's part of E-Wings. I believe you're based up in Scotland.
[213.7] Payne: I am. That's very interesting.
[218.7] Payne: I'm a massive, massive big Clive fan. So I'm hoping I'm slightly bilingual.
[230.7] Greig (E-Wings): Before the show, I'm actually going to tone it down tonight and try and slow it slow up a bit so you can sort of understand every third word, maybe.
[239.7] Curry: I've done research. Well, I did. I read a couple of in Welsh books. And if you've ever read them, he actually writes in a Scottish accent.
[246.7] Curry: You have to get the voice in your head to get it. So that's quite handy.
[252.7] Payne: I was actually looking for iron brew as well to drink on tonight's show. I can't find it anywhere.
[260.7] Payne: Iron brews for...
[262.7] Payne: Yeah, I know, but I don't drink, but yeah. Can I take a cake or something? I don't know.
[268.7] Tony: I'm just any kind of...
[270.7] Tony: Deep fried Mars bars. You're good. Deep fried Mars bars, yeah.
[274.7] Tony: Who's got the hamster squeaking in the background?
[277.7] Tony: Sorry, that's my 3D printer. I'll go switch it off.
[279.7] Tony: No, no, don't stop a print. Don't stop a print.
[283.7] Tony: What's the warning about it, though?
[285.7] Tony: It just sounded like a hamster going around in a wheel.
[288.7] Tony: Wasn't so I'm wondering if the poor thing's OK, but if it's a 3D printer, that's fine.
[292.7] Tony: I can switch it off, it's fine.
[294.7] Tony: Will it start back at exactly the same thing?
[297.7] Tony: No, I'll never do that.
[299.7] Frank: Tony's just missing having Danny in his hamster wheel on the ground floor.
[306.7] Frank: That's why he took Tony a bit longer to set up today, wasn't it?
[309.7] Frank: He didn't have enough power. He had to go flick some switches.
[312.7] Payne: No, don't do that. Tony's more used to gerbils.
[318.7] Tony: That is much better than I am, isn't it?
[320.7] Greig (E-Wings): Tony, you can phone the customer tomorrow and explain why his delivery's late.
[325.7] Payne: I will.
[327.7] Payne: You're dead, man. It's been not done on your phone.
[330.7] Frank: I'll tell you what, I can remote in to work from this computer.
[333.7] Frank: Send me the FCL.
[335.7] Payne: Yeah, do you want Frank to print it for you?
[340.7] Payne: So when did you start eWings, Greg?
[344.7] Greig (E-Wings): It wasn't me that actually started it.
[346.7] Greig (E-Wings): I'm actually a bit of an imposter.
[349.7] Greig (E-Wings): It was started by a good friend of mine who I regularly fly with, Ewan.
[356.7] Greig (E-Wings): He started it back in, I think it was 2018.
[360.7] Payne: Ewan is a name, blue owl.
[364.7] Greig (E-Wings): Don't ask how to spell it because that will confuse you even further.
[368.7] Curry: Yeah, it's spelled wrong. It's only interesting because, yeah, I knew it was Ewan beforehand.
[373.7] Curry: It was only interesting because we were both on two separate forums
[377.7] Curry: and kind of knew each other from two different worlds.
[380.7] Greig (E-Wings): Me and Ewan were on the FPV hub back in the day.
[385.7] Greig (E-Wings): We were on there as well.
[388.7] Curry: Ewan was also on Rollmuck, which is a gaming forum as well.
[393.7] Curry: So we were both discussing Xbox and wings at the same time.
[398.7] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, so Ewan's a really decent guy.
[401.7] Greig (E-Wings): It was actually him that started it.
[403.7] Greig (E-Wings): He was running it pretty much until the start of this year.
[406.7] Greig (E-Wings): I think just with his work commitments and he's got a young family.
[410.7] Greig (E-Wings): I believe his wife's expecting a second as well.
[413.7] Greig (E-Wings): So he's got his hands full at the moment.
[416.7] Greig (E-Wings): So it was a case of he had to either stop it or pass it on to somebody else to continue it.
[422.7] Greig (E-Wings): And because just me being my selfish way, I needed to be able to get my wings.
[428.7] Greig (E-Wings): So if Ewan's stopping, then I'll jump in and I'll take over from there.
[432.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I think it was around about April time I took over for this year.
[437.7] Greig (E-Wings): And yeah, it's been fun ever since.
[444.7] Tony: So have you designed any wings yourself?
[447.7] Greig (E-Wings): So Ewan started off with the Vortagon, which is pretty much like the big one behind me.
[454.7] Greig (E-Wings): However, this is my kind of second version of it, but it's very similar to that one.
[459.7] Greig (E-Wings): And that was the one he kind of launched the company with.
[462.7] Greig (E-Wings): And it was very popular for kind of long range efficient FPV flying.
[467.7] Greig (E-Wings): So he actually sold quite a lot of those throughout the UK and the underworld.
[472.7] Greig (E-Wings): And back on that came out the Firefly, which was like the forward swept wing.
[476.7] Greig (E-Wings): That was his as well. And that was personally one of my favorites.
[480.7] Greig (E-Wings): And then he also released the Vortini, which was like the scaled down version of the Vortagon behind me.
[486.7] Greig (E-Wings): So he was trying to aim for like a sub 251.
[489.7] Greig (E-Wings): During that time that the sub 250 was all the kind of crazy.
[494.7] Greig (E-Wings): So he was just trying to kind of fill that market with that.
[497.7] Greig (E-Wings): But as I said, it kind of got too much and I've taken over and I've now released the Black Hawk,
[502.7] Greig (E-Wings): which is that one there.
[506.7] Greig (E-Wings): I've also released the Spectra, which is our spec racing wing.
[510.7] Greig (E-Wings): And I'm currently working on a new one just now that hopefully what could be ready the end of this month,
[516.7] Greig (E-Wings): that I'm probably going to leave it to next year, maybe January February time.
[521.7] Greig (E-Wings): So you can look at this.
[522.7] Greig (E-Wings): I've made the same amount of planes as you did, but I did in nine months.
[528.7] Curry: And how are you making them, Greg?
[530.7] Curry: Are you literally there with a hot wire cutter or are you sort of outsourcing the bits or what?
[535.7] Greig (E-Wings): Everything's done by me, hence why I'm starting to get gray hair now.
[540.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's all hot wire cut in a CNC machine.
[544.7] Greig (E-Wings): I source all the materials, all the parts, all the components and just bring it all together to produce these kits.
[550.7] Greig (E-Wings): So, yeah, a lot of the time it's very bespoke kind of stuff as well.
[557.7] Greig (E-Wings): I can't really stack my shelves up with stock and just sell it.
[560.7] Greig (E-Wings): I kind of have to do almost like one at a time or pre-orders and things like that because my time is very limited.
[566.7] Greig (E-Wings): I work, I run my own digital marketing business.
[570.7] Greig (E-Wings): So a lot of my weeks, pretty much all of my weeks taken up with that.
[573.7] Greig (E-Wings): So any kind of spare time that I'm getting, I'm nipping out to the garage to cut foam.
[581.7] BlueOwl: So if you're building one wing at a time, how long does it take you to make one?
[587.7] Greig (E-Wings): Well, it depends.
[590.7] Greig (E-Wings): I see, for instance, a Blackhawk.
[592.7] Greig (E-Wings): I can get two of those out of one block of foam.
[595.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I made two today and it probably took me about four hours.
[600.7] Greig (E-Wings): And then maybe I'll spend about another hour bringing all the components together, packaging up and boxing it.
[606.7] Greig (E-Wings): And then I could put those two on the shelf.
[608.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's about five hours of my work, but to be fair, that's not me working constantly five hours.
[613.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's me pressing the go button on the machine and keeping an eye on it.
[616.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's not me kind of slaving over it and sweating.
[618.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's just me kind of keeping an eye on it because it's like an unwritten rule.
[622.7] Greig (E-Wings): If you were to leave it, then it'll all mess up and you'll have to start again.
[626.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I have to be there to keep an eye on things and make sure it's cutting things properly.
[629.7] Tony: And it works when it's being observed.
[632.7] Greig (E-Wings): Exactly.
[633.7] Greig (E-Wings): You're almost like, I'll nip in, I'll make a cup of tea.
[635.7] Greig (E-Wings): But by the time you come back, it's like you still have a nice smooth line up here.
[638.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's like Zag cut and, you know, sod's low.
[641.7] Greig (E-Wings): Yep.
[642.7] Frank: Is that a four axis?
[645.7] Greig (E-Wings): Four axis CNC, yeah.
[647.7] Frank: Hot wire.
[648.7] Frank: So you've got two axes, gantries and then the hot wire in between.
[652.7] Frank: Correct, yes.
[653.7] Greig (E-Wings): Nice.
[654.7] Greig (E-Wings): And I just couldn't run it through the wire, which is like the wires that they use in vaping for the heated coils.
[662.7] Greig (E-Wings): Right.
[663.7] Greig (E-Wings): It's pretty much, yeah, nichrome, yeah.
[665.7] Greig (E-Wings): And use that to cut it.
[667.7] Greig (E-Wings): Cut very slowly.
[669.7] Greig (E-Wings): Some people think it cuts quickly, but it does about one millimeter a second to get that kind of nice finish.
[678.7] Payne: How did you get started into the hobby?
[681.7] Payne: Were you a fixed wing guy or did you start with quads?
[684.7] Greig (E-Wings): No, no, I was even old school.
[687.7] Greig (E-Wings): I joined the club and learned how to fly IC planes, like nitro planes.
[693.7] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[694.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I was trying to work out the day because I thought you might have asked me this was about 2009.
[699.7] Greig (E-Wings): I've gone to the hobby flying line of sight fixed wing.
[703.7] Greig (E-Wings): And it wasn't about 2012.
[706.7] Greig (E-Wings): I started FPV.
[708.7] Greig (E-Wings): I think it was a Bixler with a fat shark video transmitter.
[714.7] Greig (E-Wings): I think it was teleporter goggles or my first set of FPV goggles.
[719.7] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, it was really bad, but it got me into it.
[722.7] Greig (E-Wings): And the Bixler flew great.
[724.7] Greig (E-Wings): It was like such an easy entry for FPV as well.
[727.7] Greig (E-Wings): But the club I was flying at the time, this was like alien technology to them.
[731.7] Greig (E-Wings): So they actually kind of **** themselves and kicked me out of the club because the club, the rules, this is all new.
[741.7] Greig (E-Wings): They weren't sure.
[742.7] Greig (E-Wings): I don't know if it was BMFA or SAA, but I don't think they were unsure of FPV at that particular time.
[748.7] Greig (E-Wings): So they didn't really know what to do with me.
[750.7] Greig (E-Wings): I was a bit of a problem for them.
[752.7] Greig (E-Wings): They did essentially kick me out of the club, but they sent me an email pretty much along those lines.
[756.7] Greig (E-Wings): I was like, but since then I found a new club that's a lot more kind of welcoming.
[762.7] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[763.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I've been doing FPV since 2012 with a Bixler, also all the flying wing stuff, Robert flying wing.
[769.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I had the Venturi, I had the Falcon, like a lot of his wings was kind of the platform that enabled me to kind of get into it.
[778.7] Greig (E-Wings): And obviously that's how I kind of got down more of the kit building route because I was basically flying wings.
[783.7] Greig (E-Wings): So I'm essentially doing exactly what Rob's doing.
[786.7] Greig (E-Wings): I've known Rob's for years.
[787.7] Greig (E-Wings): I spoke to him several times as well and same with Yoon when he first started.
[790.7] Greig (E-Wings): He was quite pally with Rob as well.
[794.7] Payne: Yeah.
[795.7] Payne: I've flown along with a Genesis wing and that, so I was really impressed with the quality of those guys.
[802.7] Payne: Yeah.
[803.7] Greig (E-Wings): His wings were blowing, yeah.
[805.7] Payne: Yeah.
[806.7] Payne: I guess that led you into good stead and being like, you know, I know what I want.
[811.7] Payne: So this one hopefully will lead into painless talking.
[816.7] Payne: So how come you're only selling in the UK?
[819.7] Payne: I'm not.
[820.7] Payne: I'm selling worldwide.
[822.7] Greig (E-Wings): Well, the Black Hawk.
[823.7] Greig (E-Wings): The Black Hawk.
[824.7] Greig (E-Wings): All right.
[825.7] Greig (E-Wings): OK.
[829.51] Tony: Well, how do I want this?
[832.51] Lee: A pointless answer.
[837.51] Lee: Shall I set the scene in a diplomatic way, Greg?
[840.51] Lee: Yeah.
[841.51] Lee: Yes.
[842.51] Lee: OK.
[843.51] Lee: So I was made aware that this thing called the Black Hawk existed.
[847.51] Lee: I just happened to be scrolling through Instagram as you do.
[850.51] Lee: And there was this picture of I think it's actually the wing that's behind Greg at the moment.
[854.51] Lee: Sat on what like a bench at sunset in a lovely field.
[858.51] Lee: And it was just it was wing porn is what it was.
[862.51] Lee: And I kind of stopped to look and thought that is that's pretty good.
[866.51] Lee: So what I thought I'd do, I thought, OK, well, I'll get in touch with Greg and we'll have a chat because it kind of looks a bit drackish.
[873.51] Lee: So Greg and I have a chat and Greg was saying, oh, yeah, it's a wing.
[876.51] Lee: It's not final.
[877.51] Lee: It's kind of version one.
[878.51] Lee: And then and then the next I said, oh, really, you know, I think I think I'd like one of them.
[883.51] Lee: And he said, oh, great.
[884.51] Lee: That's fab.
[885.51] Lee: Yet, you know, once I've finished the design, I'll get you one.
[888.51] Lee: You can have a go.
[889.51] Lee: Brilliant. OK.
[890.51] Lee: And then about four weeks later, I'll speak to Jack and Jack went, I've heard from Greg is it's just about to slit his wrists and give up on the whole thing.
[900.51] Lee: And I kind of went, what?
[901.51] Lee: I only spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and it was all go, go, go.
[905.51] Lee: So then around Greg and you'd had a little bit of a tough time.
[908.51] Lee: I think it's fair to say you posted a lot of images of the Black Hawk.
[912.51] Lee: And parts of the community have been a little bit aggressive and a little bit nasty about the fact that it was a ripoff.
[921.51] Lee: I think was the kind of words that were being used of of things like the the mini of the Nano Drax and the mini Drax.
[927.51] Lee: And I mean, we can get to the fact about whether or not it is or not later on.
[932.51] Lee: But I know when I spoke to you that second time, I literally had to know if you remember the conversation we were talking about.
[939.51] Lee: I kind of had to back you off the edge of the bridge you were about.
[942.51] Greig (E-Wings): I was actually driving down the motorway and I just felt like maybe I could drive this off the bridge.
[950.51] Greig (E-Wings): Pretty much when we spoke that day, I was I think I was going to like my last block of foam and I was it.
[957.51] Greig (E-Wings): As soon as that block of foam is done, that's it. I'm going to shop shop.
[961.51] Greig (E-Wings): I don't need to kind of deal with this kind of hassle abuse.
[965.51] Greig (E-Wings): Well, yeah, hassle abuse. It's not like I'm dependent on the business.
[971.51] Greig (E-Wings): This business is purely fun for me. I enjoy making these wings.
[976.51] Greig (E-Wings): If I wanted to make money online, I certainly wouldn't wouldn't choose to do this business.
[981.51] Greig (E-Wings): You could probably make more money slicing tomatoes at McDonald's than cutting foam.
[987.51] Greig (E-Wings): Purely because we're competing with China and Chinese prices.
[990.51] Greig (E-Wings): So I have to kind of bring my prices right down to their kind of level, obviously mass production.
[996.51] Greig (E-Wings): So and I said it's about five hours for two. And then, you know, I'm trying to sell at a price.
[1001.51] Greig (E-Wings): You know, I'm invoicing my clients at work a decent kind of days working.
[1005.51] Greig (E-Wings): And I'm coming into my garage at night working for like essentially nothing.
[1009.51] Greig (E-Wings): It's a bit of a loss or motivation at that point.
[1011.51] Greig (E-Wings): But then we managed to kind of encourage me. So it's his fault, to be honest.
[1017.51] Lee: All I did was just talk you down.
[1019.51] Lee: And then but the thing that came out of that to kind of go back to Jack's question was you did as a result of that
[1027.51] Lee: that vitriol that you got from part of the community about you were ripping off right wing's design.
[1032.51] Lee: You did do the right thing.
[1034.51] Lee: You were very gentlemanly and upfront about it and actually got in contact with Chris at right wing, didn't you?
[1039.51] Lee: And had the chat.
[1040.51] Greig (E-Wings): Because I mean, I'm not really whether I sold a hundred of these or didn't sell any of these, it didn't really matter to me.
[1046.51] Greig (E-Wings): So I wanted to ask Chris first.
[1049.51] Greig (E-Wings): So if Chris was OK with it, then I'd be happy to sell it.
[1052.51] Greig (E-Wings): But on the flip side to that, if he wasn't cool with it, then I'd be happy to sell none of them as well.
[1057.51] Greig (E-Wings): So I wasn't really actually going to be losing anything by reaching out to him to get his permission first.
[1060.51] Greig (E-Wings): Unfortunately enough, Chris was kind enough to kind of give me his blessings, even though, to be honest,
[1066.51] Greig (E-Wings): I probably could have sold it anyway without them.
[1068.51] Greig (E-Wings): But I just wanted to kind of make sure, you know, I don't want to cause any kind of problems between people in the community.
[1075.51] Curry: Yeah, it's an interesting one, though, isn't it?
[1077.51] Curry: Because that's not the first forward swept wing.
[1080.51] Curry: And, you know, it's when everybody else builds regular wings, no one's sharing.
[1084.51] Curry: Hey, that's a ripoff of the right wing.
[1086.51] Greig (E-Wings): That's exactly the completely generic design.
[1089.51] Greig (E-Wings): That's the point I was going to make.
[1090.51] Greig (E-Wings): If I released like a regular kind of traditional wing, like every other wing on the market,
[1095.51] Greig (E-Wings): nobody would have batted an island.
[1098.51] Lee: But the thing is, you started the design of the Black Hawk with a blank piece of paper.
[1103.51] Lee: You and I talked about this at length.
[1105.51] Lee: You know, you've ended up with the shape of the Black Hawk because that's the shape it has to be to fly well.
[1110.51] Lee: And the law of aerodynamics just happens to be that that's the shape you have to end up with.
[1116.51] Lee: Because you went through quite a few iterations to get to the final version, didn't you?
[1119.51] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's the process.
[1121.51] Greig (E-Wings): And, you know, I tried to kind of consciously make it as different as I could because I knew the backlash I was going to get.
[1128.51] Greig (E-Wings): But the more and more I kind of proceeded into the R&D stages, the more I was thinking, no, the fuselage needs to come out a bit more.
[1134.51] Greig (E-Wings): Oh, no, the wings need to come in.
[1136.51] Greig (E-Wings): Oh, it's like, oh, no, this is becoming a mini-drack.
[1140.51] Greig (E-Wings): But, you know, there are differences.
[1143.51] Greig (E-Wings): You know, obviously, the airfoil being the biggest kind of difference from the mini-drack.
[1148.51] Greig (E-Wings): And that's purely a design choice on my kind of selfish needs.
[1153.51] Greig (E-Wings): I wanted my fast wing.
[1156.51] Greig (E-Wings): I've got the water gone there, which is like a really efficient airfoil.
[1159.51] Greig (E-Wings): And you could probably put a lot of battery capacity in that and fly all day with that one.
[1166.51] Greig (E-Wings): So, you know, I've got the efficient flyer.
[1168.51] Greig (E-Wings): I wanted something that could fly fast.
[1170.51] Greig (E-Wings): So, I've opted for the kind of the racing style airfoil, a bit less efficient.
[1176.51] Greig (E-Wings): But, you know, it's fast and fun.
[1178.51] Greig (E-Wings): And you can definitely tell when you fly the Blackhawk.
[1181.51] Greig (E-Wings): And if you're kind of used to flying the mini-drack, you will notice that there is a difference.
[1187.51] Greig (E-Wings): You notice it straight away.
[1189.51] Greig (E-Wings): I noticed it straight away because when I first made the Blackhawk, I was thinking, well, this might fly similar to a drag.
[1195.51] Greig (E-Wings): I might be happy if it's very similar or close, but actually it's completely different.
[1200.51] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[1202.79] Lee: And I'd second that.
[1203.79] Lee: As somebody who has Drax, Dart, XLs, a lot of the forward-swept one, you know, and you and I joked,
[1209.79] Lee: it's probably got more in common with Thunderbird 2 than it does with the mini-drack.
[1213.79] Lee: You know how much I called it that now?
[1215.79] Lee: What, the Thunderbird 2?
[1217.79] Lee: Yeah.
[1218.79] Lee: Or the Thunderbird 2.5?
[1219.79] Lee: Yeah.
[1220.79] Lee: But it flies completely differently.
[1223.79] Lee: And I know when I rang you the day after I made mine, just to let you know I hadn't completely destroyed it.
[1230.79] Lee: And we had a long chat and you were like, that's exactly what I feel about it.
[1235.79] Lee: But if I say it, everyone's just going to say, well, of course you're going to say that.
[1238.79] Lee: You designed the thing.
[1239.79] Lee: But you designed this for you, didn't you?
[1241.79] Lee: You didn't set out to make a clone of anything.
[1244.79] Lee: You just wanted one for your own edification and fun.
[1247.79] Lee: Yeah.
[1248.79] Greig (E-Wings): To be honest, this was a bit of obviously, you know, the business has been handed over to me.
[1253.79] Greig (E-Wings): I've now got all these, you know, kind of facilities to make fixed-wing aircraft.
[1257.79] Greig (E-Wings): I was thinking, OK, I'm going to make one for me.
[1259.79] Greig (E-Wings): I don't really care about making one for Tom, Dick and Harry.
[1263.79] Greig (E-Wings): And then my dad always said, if you design something for yourself, then, you know, like, you'll find others that will also like it as well.
[1270.79] Greig (E-Wings): And that was kind of the idea.
[1271.79] Greig (E-Wings): But I never actually set out to kind of fill a niche in the market or like cater for this certain individual.
[1277.79] Greig (E-Wings): It was for me, I wanted something that kind of tick these boxes.
[1280.79] Greig (E-Wings): And then when I posted it online, it kind of went a bit nuts.
[1285.79] Greig (E-Wings): And people were really interested to learn more about it and get some more information on it.
[1289.79] Greig (E-Wings): And so my intention was never to sell it.
[1292.79] Greig (E-Wings): But it was only once I posted it in the community that, you know, the kind of the demand kind of grew from there.
[1300.79] Curry: So what was your process of developing?
[1303.79] Curry: You obviously made some prototypes.
[1304.79] Curry: Did you sort of fly them and then sort of have a little notebook say, yeah, I need to shop a bit off the nose and I need more battery capacity and I need to get it right around.
[1313.79] Curry: How many equations was it?
[1314.79] Greig (E-Wings): I think it was about four, but technically five, roughly.
[1320.79] Greig (E-Wings): The first one was just literally me throwing it to get it to glide good.
[1326.79] Greig (E-Wings): So that was actually got to my second prototype before I felt it was gliding good.
[1331.79] Greig (E-Wings): And then once I started gliding, then I took it out to fly a flute and then I kind of judge the characteristics from there, the role rate, you know, how much actually capacity, battery weight it could carry.
[1340.79] Greig (E-Wings): So the weight will determine the length of the nose and then the role rates and then everything from down the shape of your elevons like how wide it is at the tips and how narrow it is at the kind of the route.
[1350.79] Greig (E-Wings): Everything kind of determines how it flies.
[1353.79] Greig (E-Wings): So the changes I did make from kind of prototype two to the final one was actually only a few little changes, but enough to kind of make all the difference.
[1361.79] Curry: Did you end up with the wing you wanted to build for yourself or are there still little bits that you like?
[1366.79] Curry: Maybe not.
[1367.79] Greig (E-Wings): No, no, I'm quite happy.
[1369.79] Greig (E-Wings): I'm sure there is, to be honest.
[1371.79] Greig (E-Wings): There are probably little things I could probably change, but nothing that's going to kind of warrant me kind of sitting down and designing it and generating all the G code again, editing the G code.
[1382.79] Greig (E-Wings): And it's just not worth the time, to be honest, because I mean, what you could probably do to kind of change it, you could probably actually change it.
[1389.79] Greig (E-Wings): You could probably actually do yourself by, you know, your own kind of custom modifications and stuff like that.
[1393.79] Greig (E-Wings): But the way I'm kind of shipping them just now is like a great flying wing and I'm very happy and proud of it to kind of ship out.
[1400.79] Greig (E-Wings): So anything, any slight changes that I'm going to make to it is probably not going to be worth my time, to be honest, because it's going to be such a little impact.
[1407.79] Lee: Yeah, because that was the only suggestion I had that was back to you was kind of have a little bit more room for the flight electronics.
[1413.79] Lee: Do you remember when we talked about that? And although you could do that, it's just as easy for me to cut that piece of foam with a sharp knife and then make my own cover for the bay.
[1426.79] Lee: It's very customizable because it is literally a load of flat pieces that you get, with the exception of the wing profiles and the kind of the side nacelles.
[1434.79] Lee: The rest of it's all flat packed, so you can just do what you want with it.
[1437.79] Lee: And the nose is, you know, you can 3D print your own, which is kind of fun.
[1442.79] Lee: I figured that out in the end. My hardest choice was which camera do I put in it, actually.
[1449.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, that was a bit great for me. A lot of these kits you're having to hack the foam up to accommodate different styles of cameras.
[1455.79] Greig (E-Wings): But now I've been working with a guy called John, who's doing all the 3D design for us.
[1460.79] Greig (E-Wings): And he's actually, I think we've pretty much hit every kind of HD camera on the market with maybe about a couple.
[1465.79] Greig (E-Wings): But there's always more coming out. So, yeah, there's the run cam there.
[1469.79] Lee: Yeah, that's the way I went for it. But you guys have all these different versions.
[1474.79] Lee: But the thing is, you've got to kind of print the nose.
[1477.79] Lee: That's the only thing that I struggled with a little bit, trying to get the CG right.
[1481.79] Lee: Because you kind of have to know what the weight in the very front of the nose is going to be.
[1485.79] Lee: So you have to know your camera. So you have to know the weight of the 3D printed part to know where your servos are going to go.
[1490.79] Lee: So it's one of those things where you have to kind of guesstimate a little bit for the last stages.
[1495.79] Greig (E-Wings): We're going back to kit building. We don't realise how good we've got it with these kind of Chinese injection moulded ones
[1502.79] Greig (E-Wings): where everything comes and you just open the box and throw it and it flies.
[1506.79] Greig (E-Wings): We came from the days where I'm sure Curry Kitten, I know that you were kind of into flying wings stuff as well, I believe.
[1514.79] Greig (E-Wings): And it's all about taping servos onto the wings and taping components on.
[1519.79] Curry: Let me grab my wing, I'll show you what a method is.
[1522.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's like you know, you tape the components onto the wings first and the fuselage before you cut any foam to make sure you're hitting CG.
[1531.79] Greig (E-Wings): Whereas now everything, you know, you've got a servo bail pre-cut for you and things like that.
[1535.79] Curry: But yeah, this is exactly what you had to do. All these components on there, this came, this is one of the, I think it was one of the prototype Falcons.
[1543.79] Curry: This just came as a flat piece of foam. So what you have to do is you literally have to tape all your bits on
[1548.79] Curry: and then you had to see if it hit CG.
[1550.79] Curry: And if you were happy with that, you start going with your sharp knife and making holes for things, which I haven't done particularly well.
[1557.79] Curry: But yeah, this is not aerodynamic, but it is also like eight years old.
[1562.79] Curry: And it's mostly held together with this bits of glue and stuff that my entire wing came off one time, went to a tennis court.
[1568.79] Curry: But yeah, the fact you can now stuff a large amount of stuff in the nose and you really don't.
[1574.79] Curry: Did you go into the wing at all to put like, I mean, you might put like a VTX one side and a receiver the other side if you really wanted to separate out, might you?
[1584.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, I'd probably recommend doing that with the wing. However, you know, I use DJI now, so it's great.
[1590.79] Greig (E-Wings): So everything's up in the nose in terms of the video transmitter and the camera.
[1593.79] Greig (E-Wings): So I don't really need to be putting anything in the wing anymore. I'm actually fully converting now.
[1598.79] Greig (E-Wings): Well, I've got a couple of analog planes, but to be honest, I probably I'm thinking about converting them to DJI as well.
[1605.79] Curry: Sorry. We'll just carry on. We call ourselves pure, but really, we're cheap.
[1613.79] Greig (E-Wings): Honestly, it's like I was the same. But once you once you do it, honestly, you can't go back, honestly.
[1620.79] Frank: Has everyone seen the news about the DJI with the FPV quads that's been leaked?
[1629.79] Frank: Obviously not been confirmed, but there's been been some interesting pictures.
[1634.79] Frank: It'd be nice to have Andy on to discuss it, but he's not here this week. I don't know why.
[1641.79] Greig (E-Wings): I tell you what, if you open up business repairing these drones, you're going to make a fortune.
[1646.79] Payne: No, I know who does that.
[1649.79] Greig (E-Wings): Think about the amount of if that comes to the market, think about the amount of repairs.
[1655.79] Curry: It could be interesting because it could put people that have just flown the camera drones thinking they can fly them in the same way.
[1663.79] Curry: But perhaps I'll be able to because we were we were talking about it.
[1668.79] Curry: I was talking to Andy about it when he was sort of discussing it and they could put all sorts in because DJI wouldn't wouldn't necessarily just say,
[1675.79] Curry: oh, let's use beta flight. They're just like, let's have our own flight controller because they've certainly done it before.
[1680.79] Curry: When they released NASA, it was light years ahead of anything else and no one managed to clone it.
[1684.79] Curry: So they could well have like fly like an idiot mode and you can slam your sticks around and nothing happens.
[1689.79] Curry: Then they can have a switch for a crow and it might be GPS and I go, who knows?
[1696.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I really hope that is true and that does come to the market because I think it's going to bring so much more people into the hobby.
[1705.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's a very entry level, but I said it's going to be tough love when they spend thousands of pounds on this entry kit.
[1712.79] Greig (E-Wings): And, you know, within 10 minutes or smash, smash that.
[1717.79] Frank: We were talking about it on the LDO discord this week.
[1721.79] Frank: And I was saying on there that, you know, it's a whole different set of skills that even if it's the most intuitive thing to fly and they've like got, you know,
[1732.79] Frank: made it as easy for a Mavic pilot to try and fly it, just fly.
[1737.79] Frank: You know, the footage that you want from it is like shooting gaps or, you know, diving a building or something.
[1744.79] Frank: And that's going to be different skills from what those people are going to have who are kind of the standard DJI users.
[1751.79] Frank: So even if I can see it being like really, really popular, all these guys going out and buying one and then flying it once around the field
[1761.79] Frank: going, oh, it's not as exciting as I thought it might be from the video.
[1764.79] Frank: And then it's sitting in the, you know, in the camera bags along with like a 360 camera and a GoPro.
[1771.79] Frank: Because that's that's how most of those things seem to go is that they get bought up and then kind of sit there unloved a bit.
[1779.79] Lee: I think it's going to be very interesting.
[1781.79] Lee: I think a lot of DJI pilots coming from those flying camera ships that do an awful lot of the hard work for them.
[1788.79] Lee: Yeah, DJI can't have the barrier to entry so high that those, you know, like you said, those people don't come in, buy it.
[1796.79] Lee: And 10 minutes later, it's it's a it's a smashed piece of plastic in the car park.
[1800.79] Lee: You know, that like I don't think I don't think that's going to it's going to be fascinating to see what they do to make it.
[1806.79] Lee: Like you said, have a have a flying camera friendly switch and then you can kind of turn that off.
[1812.79] Lee: It'll be really interesting because because I've got, you know, five inch quads here race for on racing success quads with the DJI stuff on that are epic.
[1823.79] Lee: But there's no bloody way I would give the sticks to a pilot that only ever flown things like a maverick because they just, you know, it's like trying to give someone who's only ever driven an automatic car, giving them a manual and expecting them to be able to drive it.
[1837.79] Lee: It just it's a it's a slightly different skill set.
[1841.79] Curry: It is interesting because you still see lots of people managing to buy like a maverick and crash it within 10 minutes. And I like I was testing mine out trying to crash it into a wall and says no, there's a wall there.
[1852.79] Curry: I don't know what they do. How do you do it?
[1857.79] Lee: I think I think you have to work very, very hard.
[1860.79] Lee: They're talented in very different ways.
[1863.79] Greig (E-Wings): I was going to say it comes natural to more people, some people.
[1866.79] Greig (E-Wings): I think so.
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[1892.79] Lee: Greg, there's been a good question. Richard Warwick talked about it, which was about how on the site at the moment, most of the stuff isn't in stock.
[1901.79] Lee: And you've touched on it a little bit, talking about the fact that at the moment you're you're mad and obviously we're not helping tonight.
[1907.79] Lee: Yeah, thanks.
[1909.79] Lee: Right. Because, you know, that that customer is going to be annoyed tomorrow.
[1912.79] Lee: But but can you talk a little bit about that?
[1914.79] Lee: Because because I know while lockdown was happening, you had quite a bit of time to play with this stuff.
[1919.79] Lee: And at the moment, you're a little bit busy with the thing.
[1921.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, during lockdown, it was like I had the time to kind of like we brought, you know, you know, a bit of R&D.
[1927.79] Greig (E-Wings): You know, I could actually go flying. It was great.
[1929.79] Greig (E-Wings): And but, you know, as I said, I'm in marketing.
[1932.79] Greig (E-Wings): So this time of year for me is absolutely hectic.
[1934.79] Greig (E-Wings): You know, with your Black Friday days and your Christmas season, your new years coming up.
[1938.79] Greig (E-Wings): So to be honest, yeah, I've switched the stock off in the meantime from the Web site.
[1944.79] Greig (E-Wings): And I probably will be looking to switch it back on in the new year, January, February time.
[1948.79] Greig (E-Wings): However, if you're absolutely desperate, I mean, you can message me directly and beg.
[1954.79] Greig (E-Wings): I'll see what I can do.
[1957.79] Greig (E-Wings): If you're really wanting some bribes, is that right?
[1961.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah. Yeah.
[1962.79] Greig (E-Wings): Honestly, if you're really wanting one, then you can message me directly.
[1966.79] Greig (E-Wings): I probably maybe leave my email address on the chat.
[1969.79] Greig (E-Wings): Say my email address and let me know.
[1971.79] Greig (E-Wings): It shouldn't be a problem. I've got a phone here.
[1974.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's just purely being a time thing.
[1977.79] Greig (E-Wings): I don't have the time right now.
[1978.79] Greig (E-Wings): But however, if I can get one or two or three or four and maybe before Christmas, then that's not a problem for me to do.
[1985.79] Greig (E-Wings): Have you done any not ready to flow stuff yet?
[1989.79] Greig (E-Wings): See, this is something I've been thinking about.
[1992.79] Greig (E-Wings): There's something, you know, like a build service.
[1995.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's something I am considering.
[1997.79] Greig (E-Wings): Again, that's a time thing as well as an even more time.
[2000.79] Greig (E-Wings): But but, you know, you can charge more for that.
[2002.79] Greig (E-Wings): I could charge more for it. Absolutely.
[2004.79] Greig (E-Wings): But I don't know how people would feel about it because I think a lot of my customers are kit builders and they're very they've got their way of doing things.
[2012.79] Greig (E-Wings): You know, we have, you know, attaching the hinges, a way of, you know, laminating a bit of, you know, doing that.
[2018.79] Greig (E-Wings): So if I was to kind of do it my way and ship them out that way, it might cause actually more problems than, you know, than it could cause more of a headache.
[2027.79] Greig (E-Wings): But, you know, it's something I am considering.
[2029.79] Greig (E-Wings): And I've had a lot of kind of people who are coming in from, you know, the quad, you know, they're just flowing quads and they want to get into fixed wings.
[2036.79] Greig (E-Wings): And they like the kind of the wings, but they wouldn't know how to build it.
[2039.79] Greig (E-Wings): Then maybe somebody like that, you know, could qualify for something.
[2043.79] Greig (E-Wings): I could build it and go like this is the way I would build it.
[2045.79] Greig (E-Wings): This is how I would fly it.
[2046.79] Greig (E-Wings): And they kind of ship it to them like that.
[2048.79] Greig (E-Wings): But I think more of your kind of the bulk of my kind of customer base is, you know, diehard kit builders and things like that who kind of know what they're doing.
[2056.79] Greig (E-Wings): And to be honest, tell me what to do.
[2058.79] Greig (E-Wings): And I'm I'm learning from these guys.
[2060.79] Lee: But you wouldn't say the Blackhawks would begin a wing anyway, Craig, would you?
[2063.79] Lee: If somebody came to you and said, I want to, you know, I want to try wings, the Blackhawks isn't the way to go.
[2068.79] Greig (E-Wings): Absolutely. No, no, I would I would recommend them the Firefly or the Vertigaunt.
[2074.79] Greig (E-Wings): They're a lot more stable and a lot more forgiving.
[2077.79] Greig (E-Wings): A lot of guys think go for the Vartini, which is the small one.
[2082.79] Greig (E-Wings): We'll go for that because it's small.
[2083.79] Greig (E-Wings): But actually, the smaller you go, the more unstable it is.
[2086.79] Greig (E-Wings): You want to go as big as possible.
[2088.79] Greig (E-Wings): So when you when you launch it, it's got that natural stabilization.
[2091.79] Greig (E-Wings): And I'd probably go for the Vortigaunt or the Firefly.
[2097.79] Payne: You know, the Vortigaunt, what's with that landing gear?
[2100.79] Payne: It's a bit big, isn't it?
[2101.79] Payne: What landing gear?
[2103.79] Payne: Behind you behind you.
[2105.79] Payne: Yeah, that's not the role.
[2107.79] Payne: I know, I know.
[2110.79] Greig (E-Wings): Is it a role of packing stuff or something?
[2113.79] Greig (E-Wings): That is laminate.
[2115.79] Greig (E-Wings): That's a role of laminate.
[2117.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[2118.79] Greig (E-Wings): I was I was going to add it to the case, but everyone comes to my house and steals it because they all know that I've got it.
[2122.79] Greig (E-Wings): A good friend, a good friend, James of mine.
[2125.79] Greig (E-Wings): He's probably taken about a few hundred meters of the stuff from me.
[2129.79] Greig (E-Wings): But he's got a black corner.
[2132.79] Greig (E-Wings): At least I saw his line.
[2134.79] Lee: Yeah, this is great. Can I just say this is all your bloody fault, right?
[2138.79] Lee: Because I was I was happy living in a world without lamination.
[2143.79] Lee: I've designed myself to the fact that lamination was just just just, you know, something I didn't have to do.
[2150.79] Lee: And and now you've made me do it again.
[2152.79] Lee: I'm like, actually, you know what, that's it makes the wings bloody bulletproof.
[2156.79] Lee: So all the difference, all the difference.
[2159.79] Lee: So, yeah, so there we are.
[2160.79] Lee: 30 meters.
[2161.79] Greig (E-Wings): Good.
[2162.79] Greig (E-Wings): Thanks. No problem.
[2164.79] Greig (E-Wings): I am going to make laminate great again.
[2167.79] Lee: Well, to be fair, you know, I mean, the whole laminate thing, because I did that little video and put it out thinking there's going to be about 12 people that will go, oh, thanks, mate.
[2177.79] Lee: That's good video.
[2178.79] Lee: And it went mad.
[2179.79] Lee: Loads of people watched it.
[2180.79] Lee: But, oh, really, a video on laminate and it talks about the temperatures.
[2184.79] Lee: And I didn't realize that it was a thing.
[2186.79] Lee: But can we talk a little bit about, you know, the why the Black Hawk, in your opinion, isn't a beginner wing and go back to that a little bit because you because you've glossed over some of the some of the because there's some big differences with this bad boy over, you know, things like the Drax.
[2205.79] Lee: I'm just putting it in front of the mic that's probably not helping hear my voice.
[2208.79] Lee: But if you look at the way the wing is set, if you look through the laminate, it's actually a very, very thin wing and it's symmetrical.
[2217.79] Lee: You know, it's it's unlike the wing I've got on any other model, including things like the Drax.
[2223.79] Lee: You talk a little bit about that.
[2226.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, so this is essentially the same airfoil as a spec raised wing.
[2232.79] Greig (E-Wings): So it's symmetrical, meaning that, you know, generates the same lift flying regularly or inverted.
[2238.79] Greig (E-Wings): And it's really thin.
[2239.79] Greig (E-Wings): So the way I think of it as if you've got like a proper lifting airfoil, the more kind of throttle you give, like the faster you go, the more lift it will generate.
[2250.79] Greig (E-Wings): The way with this is like you've got a kind of steady kind of constant lift generation throttle range.
[2257.79] Greig (E-Wings): So it means like for me, like I can point the nose in the direction I want to go, gun the throttle and it will essentially hold its nose on that point until I, you know, bank or yank or whatever.
[2269.79] Greig (E-Wings): So for me, you know, you really need to keep the speed up on this thing.
[2273.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's fast and it likes to be flowing fast.
[2275.79] Greig (E-Wings): So it's not ideal for the beginner.
[2277.79] Greig (E-Wings): Like, you know, the stall speed is quite high, so you have to keep it moving.
[2283.79] Lee: I'm only laughing because you will see exactly where the stall speed is on my main video at the weekend.
[2288.79] Lee: Yeah, because it's about 12, 30 miles an hour and then the wing just stalls and it just goes, you know what, I'm out.
[2295.79] Lee: Whereas, yeah, and we'll talk about that in a minute.
[2300.79] Greig (E-Wings): But the flip side to that is it means you can kind of get the top end speed out of it.
[2305.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, but just just keep it moving. That's why I keep the beans on.
[2308.79] Greig (E-Wings): I mean, put your throttle on a switch and then just leave it until your barrier runs out.
[2314.79] Curry: Yeah, it's been that the launch is quite, you know, it's you don't want to do that being timid.
[2320.79] Curry: You really want to give it a go.
[2322.79] Greig (E-Wings): You really, really go for it. Yeah, I mean, I write.
[2325.79] Greig (E-Wings): Well, I recommend like a 1400 KV or more.
[2328.79] Greig (E-Wings): I actually fly mine with the 1800 and I'm currently building an 1806 sale.
[2334.79] Greig (E-Wings): So I'll give you an idea. So I know Lee was flying with 1000 KV and that's a bit kind of on the edge.
[2339.79] Greig (E-Wings): I mean, it was fine. You can get it flying, but the Black Hawk likes power.
[2343.79] Greig (E-Wings): So give it as much power as you can and then you'll be fine.
[2346.79] Lee: Just to give you an idea of how insane 1800 KV is.
[2349.79] Lee: My 1000 KV set up was running at full speed, 92 amps at cruise, 45 miles an hour.
[2356.79] Lee: Sorry. Full speed was 72 miles an hour.
[2359.79] Lee: Cruise was about 45 miles an hour pulling nine amps.
[2363.79] Lee: And that was on a thousand. And I've actually ordered another motor.
[2366.79] Lee: I'm replacing the motor on my with a 1250.
[2369.79] Lee: It needs going back to what Greg says. This is absolutely built for speed.
[2374.79] Lee: It is not built for kind of floating and fanning about and having a lovely view of the countryside.
[2379.79] Lee: This is about flying over treetop height at 100 plus miles an hour with your ass on fire.
[2385.79] Lee: And that's absolutely why I agree with Greg. It's not a beginner wing.
[2389.79] Lee: There is no way I would pass the controls of this to somebody who hadn't been flying for at least a couple of years.
[2395.79] Lee: Whereas with the Drax and this is why it's kind of funny.
[2399.79] Lee: A lot of the people were kind of claiming it's a drag clone.
[2401.79] Lee: It flies apart from the layouts completely different.
[2405.79] Lee: It flies nothing like the Drax. You know, the Drax, I was telling a funny story to Frank before we started.
[2412.79] Lee: When I did my mini Drax, my very first landing on my first maiden coming into a 300 yard long field,
[2418.79] Lee: I came in just over the fence, was about four foot high, cut the power,
[2422.79] Lee: and the mini Drax just kind of floated and floated and floated right the way down the field,
[2428.79] Lee: about 50 yards from the fence at the other end.
[2432.79] Lee: I started panicking, put the power on and pulled out.
[2435.79] Lee: You know, it just floats. This thing does not float. It cuts the air like a knife.
[2441.79] Lee: So if you've got the power on, it is completely locked in straight.
[2445.79] Lee: You'll see the video from the maiden at the weekend.
[2447.79] Lee: I went into manual mode. I have INAV in it, of course, for the auto launch and stuff and the OSD.
[2454.79] Lee: I flipped into manual mode and then didn't come out of manual mode.
[2457.79] Lee: And it actually looks like I've got stabilization running in the video out the front from the run camp.
[2463.79] Lee: And I haven't. You point it at something and you pull up the throttle and it just goes.
[2469.79] Lee: It's very, very different flying characteristics from the Drax.
[2473.79] Curry: So two questions on that, then. The symmetrical airfoil sounds really interesting
[2477.79] Curry: because I remember just on regular wings, if you put them in a dive, you're sort of fighting.
[2481.79] Curry: It wants to pull up because the way the airfoil works, it wants to generate lift.
[2485.79] Curry: So that's just going to just go straight down, isn't it?
[2488.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah. Think of it as pointing shoot.
[2494.79] Curry: Yeah, don't forget to put it out.
[2496.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, wherever you point it, it will go there.
[2498.79] Curry: That's cool. So because I know Ewan worked on the previous wings.
[2503.79] Curry: He worked on I don't know what to call them. It's not like winglets.
[2506.79] Curry: It's the ones on the inside because he was trying to get rid of any sort of your wobble and stuff like that.
[2511.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, he tore out or toe in. I can't remember what you did.
[2514.79] Curry: Yeah, he did something. It really did change the characteristics.
[2518.79] Curry: But it sounds like that airfoil is basically if you've got a wing that now doesn't give you any your wobble
[2524.79] Curry: and basically just cuts through, as Lee was saying there now.
[2528.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, I'm seeing some really good, like because the Blackhawk's just now going out,
[2534.79] Greig (E-Wings): all the videos are starting to come in.
[2536.79] Greig (E-Wings): I mean, I don't really get a lot of time to fly, so it's really great to see my customers
[2540.79] Greig (E-Wings): posting videos. And from what I'm seeing is it's like, wow, it's locked in.
[2544.79] Greig (E-Wings): It's really, really stable. Very little yaw lag whatsoever.
[2550.79] Greig (E-Wings): I don't know whether we can post the video of one of my friends, James' video.
[2554.79] Greig (E-Wings): He flies it the way I kind of built it, you know, intended to before.
[2558.79] Greig (E-Wings): And I don't know whether you can kind of show it.
[2560.79] Greig (E-Wings): But yeah, you'll see that it's very stable.
[2565.79] Greig (E-Wings): But I think he's got his throttle all the way up for the full flight.
[2568.79] Greig (E-Wings): He's just loving it. He's just enjoying it.
[2571.79] Greig (E-Wings): But he said he sent me videos of him flying right out as well.
[2575.79] Greig (E-Wings): He can kind of do mid-range as well.
[2577.79] Greig (E-Wings): So it's not by all means, you know, just speed.
[2580.79] Greig (E-Wings): It can go a distance, but there's probably better ways of flying it.
[2583.79] Curry: Nothing wrong with going really fast all the time. That's perfectly fine.
[2586.79] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, it's probably better.
[2587.79] Greig (E-Wings): If you want to go long range, there's probably better platforms.
[2590.79] Payne: I've got a little bit of a, like, you know, a segment.
[2595.79] Tony: But we're doing segments now, aren't we?
[2597.79] Payne: Yeah, just just quickly.
[2599.79] Tony: Okay, this is new. It's obviously not so many of us.
[2604.79] Payne: This is very professional.
[2606.79] Payne: Painless. I don't know whether you can talk about NFH or not.
[2611.79] Payne: Just nod yes if you can, or no if you can.
[2615.79] Curry: Or look confused.
[2617.79] Payne: Yeah, no worries. He'll know instantly.
[2620.79] Payne: But I live next door.
[2623.79] Payne: I've got a new neighbour and he's northern.
[2626.79] Payne: And...
[2628.79] Payne: Oh, yeah.
[2630.79] Lee: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2631.79] Payne: Can you talk about that?
[2633.79] Payne: So this new segment is whenever he goes home, I ask him,
[2636.79] Payne: Ian, mate, you're northern.
[2638.79] Payne: Bring me something northern back.
[2641.79] Payne: And he has brought me a northern treat.
[2644.79] Payne: So we're going to play, Ian Painless, you're northern.
[2649.79] Payne: What's the deal with all-American chip spice?
[2654.79] Lee: You see, that's not northern.
[2659.79] Lee: That is not northern.
[2660.79] Lee: If it was a northern delicacy, it would be, well, if you're
[2663.79] Lee: wicked, it was going to be a pie, a brown sauce.
[2666.79] Lee: Obviously, you've got loads of delicacies.
[2668.79] Lee: Like, I know the stuff that you put on your chips.
[2676.04] Lee: You guys don't tend to have it down south a lot, but gravy.
[2680.04] Lee: We have gravy up north, believe it or not.
[2684.04] Lee: There's lots of different things that he could have chosen.
[2687.04] Lee: So I'm not sure why Hull has a thing for American chip spice.
[2692.04] Lee: I didn't even know that was a thing.
[2694.04] Payne: It is apparently a thing.
[2696.04] Payne: It's in every chip shop and apparently it's delicious.
[2699.04] Payne: Its main ingredients include paprika and tomato powder.
[2704.04] Payne: And then the next one is flavor enhancer, which is clearly MSG.
[2713.04] Lee: There's a very good question there.
[2715.04] Lee: Have you tried it?
[2716.04] Payne: I haven't yet.
[2717.04] Payne: I have not tried it.
[2718.04] Lee: So you're not going to dip your finger in and just give it a
[2721.04] Lee: quick taste live on air?
[2723.04] Lee: I'm tempted with...
[2725.04] Payne: Just do a line of it.
[2727.04] Payne: So anyway, Caroline, don't eat it.
[2735.04] Payne: I'll cook some chips and we'll try it next week.
[2739.04] Payne: Thanks for your five pound donation.
[2743.04] Tony: Thank you so much.
[2745.04] Payne: All the donations.
[2749.04] Payne: It helps.
[2750.04] Payne: Thank you so much.
[2752.04] Curry: Two different things in chip shops in Scotland.
[2755.04] Curry: I was Edinburgh in Glasgow.
[2757.04] Curry: I know different places.
[2759.04] Curry: But when I went into a chip shop there, someone growled at me.
[2762.04] Curry: So I said yes.
[2763.04] Curry: And he put weird stuff on my chips and it turned out he was
[2765.04] Curry: asking if I wanted a sauce and salt.
[2767.04] Curry: Salt and salt.
[2768.04] Curry: But the sauce isn't like ketchup or anything.
[2770.04] Greig (E-Wings): That's for that strange spot over on the East Coast.
[2773.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, that's for Edinburgh.
[2775.04] Greig (E-Wings): In the West Coast it's salt and vinegar.
[2777.04] Greig (E-Wings): But in the East Coast...
[2779.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's classic.
[2780.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yes, salt and sauce.
[2781.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, there are a strange lot over there, to be honest.
[2784.04] Tony: Greg, what's it like?
[2786.04] Tony: I'm American and I don't know what it is.
[2789.04] Tony: I'm Welsh and I've never heard of it.
[2794.04] Payne: Maybe a joke trick, Jack.
[2798.04] Payne: Greg, what's it like being more northern than a northerner?
[2803.04] Greig (E-Wings): I've never hung around with this many southerners before.
[2807.04] Tony: Told you it's my wife.
[2809.04] Tony: We've got a chance and stuff and we see the sun more than you.
[2813.04] Greig (E-Wings): True, yeah, but we're Scottish.
[2819.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's kind of like swings and roundabouts, isn't it?
[2822.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[2824.04] Frank: Another question here from Richard Boric.
[2827.04] Frank: Does Blua have any experience flying wings?
[2831.04] BlueOwl: Barely any, just a tiny little bit,
[2834.04] BlueOwl: but I can't even tell the difference.
[2836.04] BlueOwl: And I was actually going to ask you this question,
[2839.04] BlueOwl: but it's a very noob question.
[2842.04] BlueOwl: What does it change the shape that you use in this model,
[2848.04] BlueOwl: the forward swift design?
[2850.04] BlueOwl: What does it actually change?
[2852.04] BlueOwl: Is it what makes it a non-beginner, like kind of a faster wing,
[2857.04] BlueOwl: or is it something else?
[2860.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's just different flight characteristics,
[2862.04] Greig (E-Wings): different stall speeds and things like that.
[2864.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's like, to be honest, when I design a wing,
[2867.04] Greig (E-Wings): I'm not actually going that in-depth into the science of it.
[2870.04] Greig (E-Wings): To be honest, 90% of my design decisions are made,
[2874.04] Greig (E-Wings): is because, does it look cool?
[2876.04] Greig (E-Wings): And what you'll find is if something looks good,
[2881.04] Greig (E-Wings): if something looks like it will fly, it probably will.
[2884.04] Greig (E-Wings): And I'm not like an aerospace engineer or anything like that.
[2888.04] Greig (E-Wings): So a lot of my design choices are like,
[2890.04] Greig (E-Wings): does it look like it would fly?
[2892.04] Greig (E-Wings): And if the answer is yes,
[2894.04] Greig (E-Wings): then I've always found out to be that that is the case.
[2898.04] Greig (E-Wings): I've not kind of been proven wrong in that yet.
[2901.04] BlueOwl: That's good.
[2902.04] Greig (E-Wings): Sorry, that's not really a scientific answer,
[2905.04] Greig (E-Wings): but that's the kind of way, that's the way I do it, to be honest.
[2909.04] BlueOwl: So I would probably be the person who would get ready to fly wing.
[2915.04] BlueOwl: I've built one in the past,
[2917.04] BlueOwl: but I flew a couple of times and it's just not for me.
[2921.04] BlueOwl: I guess I just didn't fly enough to learn to enjoy it.
[2924.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's quite a hard experience to get started.
[2927.04] Greig (E-Wings): I mean, with the quads, it's just so simple.
[2930.04] Greig (E-Wings): The biggest challenge for people getting into fixed wing is the launch.
[2934.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's so...
[2935.04] BlueOwl: It is for me.
[2936.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[2937.04] Greig (E-Wings): With a quad, you just take off and go and that's it and it's blowing.
[2940.04] Greig (E-Wings): But the launching kind of puts off a lot of people getting into fixed wing.
[2945.04] Greig (E-Wings): But what you find is I've seen a lot of quad guys get into fixed wing more
[2949.04] Greig (E-Wings): and once they get kind of past that initial stage,
[2951.04] Greig (E-Wings): they actually end up really enjoying it
[2953.04] Greig (E-Wings): just as much as they like flying the quads, if some even like it more so.
[2956.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's kind of like I fly quads as well.
[2958.04] Greig (E-Wings): I really enjoy flying quads as well.
[2960.04] Greig (E-Wings): I actually kind of go through different kind of stages.
[2962.04] Greig (E-Wings): I go through different moods of what I like flying.
[2964.04] Greig (E-Wings): But right now I'm kind of back to my wings.
[2967.04] Greig (E-Wings): Maybe a few months ago I was kind of into flying quads.
[2970.04] Greig (E-Wings): I've got a seven inch long range quad here.
[2973.04] Greig (E-Wings): So I'm not really...
[2977.04] Greig (E-Wings): So that's the kind of...
[2978.04] Greig (E-Wings): I'm into more of the long range stuff.
[2979.04] Greig (E-Wings): Anything that can kind of fly similar to a wing.
[2984.04] Greig (E-Wings): I like...
[2986.04] Greig (E-Wings): I just like the flying style of wings.
[2989.04] Greig (E-Wings): For me, they got into...
[2992.04] Greig (E-Wings): And I'm not really into the kind of flippy floppy stuff.
[2995.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's like FPV gives me the ability to fly.
[2998.04] Greig (E-Wings): So I never understood people who flew like below trees or in bandos
[3002.04] Greig (E-Wings): and things like that.
[3003.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's like why would...
[3004.04] Greig (E-Wings): If you could fly, would you fly about in an abandoned building?
[3006.04] Greig (E-Wings): No, you'd be up playing with the clouds.
[3008.04] Greig (E-Wings): Hopefully...
[3009.04] Greig (E-Wings): Stick within the guidelines, of course.
[3011.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, stick within the guidelines.
[3014.04] Greig (E-Wings): So with a seven inch quad,
[3016.04] Greig (E-Wings): it kind of gives you that kind of nice smooth kind of like almost fixed wing-esque flying style.
[3022.04] Greig (E-Wings): So yeah, I mean, I've kind of go through stages of that.
[3024.04] Greig (E-Wings): I don't think I'd go back to kind of five inch flippy floppy stuff.
[3027.04] Greig (E-Wings): I used to do that stuff, but it gets a bit boring to be honest.
[3031.04] Greig (E-Wings): Give me a fixed wing any day.
[3033.04] Greig (E-Wings): Is there any way...
[3035.04] Curry: Go on, I'll go.
[3037.04] Curry: I was just going to say, I think the other thing that can put quad pilots off going to fixed wings,
[3041.04] Curry: if they look at the footage, it always looks shaky.
[3044.04] Curry: But it's kind of the difference between looking at someone else's DVR and actually flying it
[3048.04] Curry: and realizing that you're sort of, you know, you're bouncing along on the air currents and stuff.
[3052.04] Curry: And when you're in the goggles feeling that, it's a completely different thing than watching it.
[3056.04] Curry: And your eyes will just sort of adjust to what you're doing, not like, ooh, I'm all bumpy.
[3060.04] Greig (E-Wings): You actually learn to enjoy that.
[3062.04] Greig (E-Wings): You feel more organic flying.
[3064.04] Curry: You know something's happening.
[3066.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's like, if you've got...
[3068.04] Curry: Yeah, and you can tell what part of the air is calm and how high you have to be doing that calm air
[3074.04] Curry: versus like, when you're coming down, like, this would be interesting to see how your symmetrical air fall.
[3080.04] Curry: Well, when you're coming down lower trees and you've got that turbulence starting to happen
[3084.04] Curry: and you're all sort of bumpy and you're like, you're hanging on for dear life here.
[3087.04] Curry: Am I going to make it through? All good fun.
[3089.04] Tony: Yep.
[3090.04] Tony: What wing would you use if it was windy?
[3096.04] Greig (E-Wings): Probably the vertigo.
[3097.04] Greig (E-Wings): In the wind, you want to kind of go as big as you can, not as stable as you can.
[3103.04] Greig (E-Wings): There's a saying like, the aircraft never doesn't know how windy it is.
[3107.04] Greig (E-Wings): So, when's your friend when you're flying with fixed wing?
[3110.04] Greig (E-Wings): And if you can kind of learn to fly within windy conditions, like, living in Scotland,
[3114.04] Greig (E-Wings): you're never going to get the perfect flying day.
[3116.04] Greig (E-Wings): So, if you're waiting for the perfect flying day in Scotland, you'll never fly.
[3120.04] Greig (E-Wings): Because you're waiting forever.
[3121.04] Payne: Yeah, exactly.
[3122.04] Payne: I've heard if you don't like the weather in Scotland, wait 20 minutes and then it will change.
[3126.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3127.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3128.04] Greig (E-Wings): Because you need to be quick.
[3129.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's still be raining.
[3130.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3131.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's just been windy and raining.
[3132.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3133.04] Greig (E-Wings): Or blizzards.
[3134.04] Greig (E-Wings): But, yeah, I mean, today we had about four different seasons.
[3138.04] Greig (E-Wings): But, yeah, I'd probably go for the bigger one.
[3141.04] Greig (E-Wings): However, I'll be interested.
[3144.04] Greig (E-Wings): I'm flowing the Black Hawk actually in pretty bad conditions, but I reckon that could handle it quite well.
[3148.04] Greig (E-Wings): Purely for the kind of penetration, the penetration through the wind, it should handle it quite well.
[3156.04] Tony: See, I used to always, I used to fly the quads in the wind and then wait for calm evenings in the summer to fly my wings.
[3165.04] Greig (E-Wings): Never used to really enjoy flying stuff in there.
[3168.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3169.04] Greig (E-Wings): I think if you just learn how to fly in these windy conditions and you can relax and kind of take it in your stride,
[3174.04] Greig (E-Wings): then you can learn.
[3175.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's a different style of flying.
[3178.04] Greig (E-Wings): I used to not go flying in the wind because it wasn't fun.
[3181.04] Greig (E-Wings): But if you learn how to fly in the wind, then you can accept, right, I'm going to be knocked about.
[3185.04] Greig (E-Wings): But if you kind of learn to enjoy that, then it's a whole different aspect to flying as well.
[3190.04] Greig (E-Wings): It makes the candidates even better.
[3192.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah.
[3193.04] Tony: Not bad.
[3194.04] Greig (E-Wings): I'll probably get a seasick.
[3196.04] BlueOwl: It's a long way to find it.
[3198.04] Lee: Sorry, go on.
[3200.04] BlueOwl: No, I was just going to ask, but how do you launch them if you're a tiny person with no muscles?
[3205.04] Lee: What's here?
[3207.04] BlueOwl: Do you have any tips?
[3209.04] Lee: You cheat and you use something.
[3211.04] Lee: So you put iNav, put a flight controller in it and get an iNav to do all the hard work.
[3216.04] Lee: And then you literally just chuck it in the air and iNav will do all of the hard stuff, get it into the air for you.
[3223.04] Lee: And also it gives you the return to home.
[3225.04] Lee: You do do something a little bit silly and accidentally get out of FPV range.
[3228.04] Lee: You just have a no-dear switch and it flies back and circles over your head.
[3232.04] Lee: If you're a quad pilot and you understand B2Flight, iNav is really similar.
[3236.04] Lee: The setup is very similar.
[3238.04] Lee: And I have all of my wings, including this one that I've built, has a flight controller in here.
[3245.04] Lee: And in here it's running iNav.
[3247.04] Lee: How expensive does it get then playing this once you do that?
[3251.04] Lee: Well, no, not really.
[3254.04] Lee: It's a lot cheaper than the quads.
[3257.04] Lee: Yeah, it's a load cheaper than quads because you only have one ESC, you have one motor.
[3263.04] BlueOwl: And you won't crash that open, I guess.
[3266.04] Greig (E-Wings): Well, with regards to launch, my advice would be have somebody launch it for you so that you're there on the sticks from the get-go
[3277.04] Greig (E-Wings): and you're able to do any correction inputs immediately.
[3280.04] Greig (E-Wings): The problem with watching yourself is, once you throw it, it's like the race to get your hand on the stick.
[3284.04] Greig (E-Wings): And that half a second it takes you to get onto the control.
[3287.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's invariant and then you're plowing into the ground and you're like,
[3290.04] Greig (E-Wings): this is s***, I'm going back to quads.
[3292.04] Greig (E-Wings): But yeah, I would get somebody to throw it, just throw it flat and level,
[3298.04] Greig (E-Wings): and then just have your hands on the sticks from the get-go and you'll be fine.
[3302.04] Lee: The challenge is, Greg, that you have to find a mate who knows how to throw it flat and level.
[3309.04] Lee: If you're in a group of quad pilots who've never flown a wing and you give them a wing, just throw that flat and level.
[3317.04] Lee: It's like asking somebody to throw the jab.
[3321.04] Greig (E-Wings): 100% I can relate to that. It was Black Hawk prototype 3, I think it was.
[3325.04] Greig (E-Wings): I went up to the airfield and I met the guy out there I've never met before
[3329.04] Greig (E-Wings): and he was telling me how he's flown wings for years.
[3331.04] Greig (E-Wings): I was all, Brian, he's flown wings for years. What launched this wing for me?
[3335.04] Greig (E-Wings): I swear to God, it was the worst launch ever.
[3338.04] Greig (E-Wings): As soon as he left his hand, it was like that and then it just cartwheel on the ground
[3342.04] Greig (E-Wings): and then my motor came flying off.
[3344.04] Greig (E-Wings): I was like, that's the last time I'm going to ask anyone to launch my wing for him.
[3349.04] Curry: I was just going to say, learning how to throw left-hand is very handy
[3353.04] Curry: because you can have one if you have two.
[3355.04] Curry: You've got one fell on the sticks.
[3356.04] Curry: This is where you see people biting their controllers.
[3358.04] Curry: They're pushing up the roll.
[3360.04] Curry: They're giving it a good old whack and they're straight on the stick.
[3363.04] Frank: Just very quickly before we wrap up.
[3367.04] Frank: With the lineup that you've got at the moment,
[3369.04] Frank: you've got the Black Hawk is your all-out speed monster.
[3377.04] Greig (E-Wings): I'd call it the fighter jet of the lineup.
[3380.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's just fun and fast and agile.
[3384.04] Frank: Then the Spectra is the spec wing.
[3387.04] Frank: The racing wing, yeah.
[3390.04] Greig (E-Wings): That's been built within the kind of fixed wing spec racing.
[3396.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's the I be crazy specifications.
[3399.04] Greig (E-Wings): I built it towards that, but it's not been approved by them.
[3402.04] Greig (E-Wings): I've not sent it to them to be approved, but I built it within their constraints.
[3406.04] Greig (E-Wings): I don't know whether if the British kind of racing,
[3409.04] Greig (E-Wings): I don't even know if British racing, fixed wing racing is going to happen,
[3412.04] Greig (E-Wings): but it should kind of tickle the boxes if somebody wanted to get into fixed wing spec racing.
[3418.04] Frank: If anyone does have a lead on any UK FPV wing racing, let me know.
[3424.04] Tony: I've heard a chat about it for about two or three years and nothing's ever happened.
[3428.04] Frank: We've had groups invited to Mini Air Show every year for the past four years.
[3434.04] Frank: We've had some groups turn up, but I haven't seen any organised races,
[3437.04] Frank: so if anyone knows anything, let us know.
[3441.04] Frank: Then there's the Vortigaunt that you were saying was kind of your efficiency.
[3446.04] Greig (E-Wings): That's kind of your long range, stable cruiser.
[3449.04] Greig (E-Wings): If you're living in a country that's constantly windy,
[3452.04] Greig (E-Wings): then probably the Vortigaunt is kind of your all rounder.
[3456.04] Greig (E-Wings): You can kind of get, you can go out and fly in most dry days with it.
[3461.04] Greig (E-Wings): And then the Firefly, which is kind of probably in between the two,
[3464.04] Greig (E-Wings): and it's kind of compact, you can stick it in the boot of your car.
[3468.04] Greig (E-Wings): That's very stable as well.
[3470.04] Frank: And then the Voltini is the sub 250, right?
[3474.04] Greig (E-Wings): Yeah, sub 250, it can be built to sub 250,
[3477.04] Greig (E-Wings): but I think a lot of the guys kind of tend to kind of go over sub 250,
[3480.04] Greig (E-Wings): but it can be built to that, yeah.
[3482.04] Frank: I have to say that that's the one I have flown.
[3485.04] Frank: Oh, really?
[3486.04] Frank: Yeah, but I flew that one line of sight because the...
[3490.04] Frank: That would have been fun.
[3491.04] Frank: I was maiden-ing it, so I didn't really know what I was expecting.
[3496.04] Frank: And the FPV was a bit questionable, so I was like,
[3499.04] Frank: I'll just slide the slides, it'll be fine.
[3501.04] Frank: And it is quite small and quite fast.
[3504.04] Frank: So my last memory of it is if it's...
[3507.04] Frank: I can't really see it.
[3508.04] Frank: Oh, there it is.
[3509.04] Frank: Oh, it's gone again.
[3510.04] Frank: Yeah.
[3511.04] Frank: Back again, it's gone again.
[3512.04] Greig (E-Wings): There's some guys in the community who put like success in that thing
[3515.04] Greig (E-Wings): and like twin motored it and it's just stupid what they've been doing with it.
[3519.04] Greig (E-Wings): It's absolutely brilliant, but it's pretty crazy
[3522.04] Greig (E-Wings): what the guys have been doing with that aircraft.
[3525.04] Frank: Yes, it's good fun.
[3527.04] Frank: Where can people actually find your E-Wing stuff,
[3531.04] Frank: but also where can people kind of get in with the E-Wings community?
[3536.04] Greig (E-Wings): Okay, well, our website is ewingsfpv.co.uk.
[3540.04] Greig (E-Wings): But if you kind of want to just chat, if you've got any questions,
[3543.04] Greig (E-Wings): probably your Facebook, we've got a Facebook group.
[3545.04] Greig (E-Wings): E-Wing Pilots on Facebook is your best bet.
[3549.04] Greig (E-Wings): You join that, there's a good kind of group of people
[3552.04] Greig (E-Wings): who got experience in flying our aircraft
[3556.04] Greig (E-Wings): and can help out anyone with any questions.
[3559.04] Frank: And one final question from Fraser.
[3561.04] Frank: You emailed this in advance.
[3563.04] Frank: How fast is Buckfast?
[3566.04] Frank: It's fast.
[3567.04] Frank: Okay.
[3569.04] Curry: Let's clear that one up.
[3571.04] Payne: There's been a few people that have been asking
[3574.04] Payne: if they can see any footage for the Black Hawk.
[3579.04] Payne: When's it going to be available on your channel?
[3582.04] Lee: I think it's out on Saturday for the maiden
[3585.04] Lee: and it's got lots of FPV footage.
[3587.04] Lee: It's completely unedited,
[3588.04] Lee: literally from the point where I throw it with auto launch
[3592.04] Lee: to the point where it stalls and falls into the grass.
[3595.04] Lee: The whole thing's on there, so it'll be up on Saturday.
[3598.04] Lee: But actually, if you check out the Facebook group,
[3601.04] Lee: there's lots of the videos as well, some of the pilots.
[3604.04] Lee: And check Instagram because on the Instagram feeds from E-Wings,
[3609.04] Lee: Greg's also been kind of posting links
[3611.04] Lee: to some of the other pilots doing flying as well.
[3614.04] Lee: And some of the stuff is eye-wateringly good.
[3617.04] Lee: It just shows what a cool airframe is if you know what you're doing.
[3621.04] Payne: Thank you.
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[3638.04] Payne: and we have been joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[3642.04] Payne: Goodbye.
[3643.04] Payne: Goodbye.
[3644.04] Payne: Our guest host, Paine the 360.
[3646.04] Payne: Goodbye.
[3647.04] Payne: Andrew slash Frank, the Lord and Master.
[3650.04] Frank: Bye.
[3651.04] Payne: Our guest for tonight, Greg from E-Wings.
[3654.04] Payne: Goodbye.
[3656.04] Payne: The lovely Blue Owl.
[3658.04] BlueOwl: Bye. See you next week.
[3660.04] Payne: You better learn how to fly a wing.
[3662.04] Payne: And my wonderful wife, Tony.
[3665.04] Tony: Bye.
[3666.04] Payne: Thank you and good night.
[3668.04] Payne: I'll be bright until I fly.
[3669.04] Tony: Bye.
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