=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 276 ===
Title: LDO 276 - Danger! High Angle!
Recorded: 2020-12-10
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna, Andy, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Florent
Total audience: 1,788
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0IleE7qy_0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/946205965-letsdroneout-ldo-276-danger-high-angle.mp3)
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Florent:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbV24czmprjCL6rK5K_Rdaw/videos
https://www.instagram.com/florent_roque/

[0.0] Curry: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, the original and best drone themed podcast.
[5.0] Curry: We record the show live on the Thursday night on youtube.com forward slash Let's Drone Out
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[51.45] Jack: Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Drone Out.
[55.45] Jack: Tonight we are joined by the Christmasy as always but has some Christmas competition, Andrew slash Frank.
[61.45] Frank: Good evening.
[63.45] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten. Can we have a disclaimer?
[67.45] Curry: Any views expressed by any guests on this show are personal and may not reflect the views of others.
[71.45] Curry: And we've got a full house tonight, so you better watch out for just general slander and stuff.
[76.45] Jack: Yep. Everyone's, well, my favourite little vegan sausage, my little Tony.
[82.45] Jack: Bonjour.
[85.45] Jack: Yeah, which is incredible.
[89.45] Jack: We're going to use your French skills to introduce our guests.
[95.45] Tony: I'm going again. I'm going.
[97.45] Jack: Quick.
[99.45] Jack: N.J. said, oh, you know, like, what's your name, buddy?
[103.45] Jack: And he made just a French noise that sounded like a frog.
[108.45] Jack: Hello.
[109.45] Jack: Hello.
[111.45] Jack: Hello, Flo.
[112.45] Jack: Hello, Flo. How are you?
[114.45] Jack: Fine, thank you.
[116.45] Jack: I've noticed you've got a couple of... Are they DLGs at the back or they just gliders on your back wall?
[122.45] Florent: Yeah, it is DLGs.
[124.45] Florent: This one is in energy. It's a F3K glider.
[128.45] Florent: And this one is the one major version from the same manufacturer is the Tri-3 F3K.
[135.45] Jack: God, they're lovely. If you're wondering what DLG stands for, it's Discus Launch Glider.
[140.45] Jack: And they look very carbon fiber and very lightweight and all in all very lovely.
[147.45] Jack: I'm looking forward to chatting to you.
[149.45] Jack: We're joined by the Christmasy Blue Owl, who's trying to outdo Frank because...
[155.45] BlueOwl: I'm trying. I'm trying hard.
[158.45] Jack: And the world's largest Christmas jumper with Rick from Rick and Morion.
[163.45] Jack: Hello, how are you? Are you all settled in?
[166.45] BlueOwl: Yeah, I'm all good. How are you guys?
[170.45] Jack: We were worried about you getting sick of us and leaving us.
[174.45] Jack: So we brought along our secret weapon, some woman eye candy.
[180.45] Jack: This is the sexiest man alive. The person who's no shirt, flannel shirt, can contain Mr. N.J. Tech.
[190.45] (squeaky voices): What are you doing with these N.J. Tech? Where is this going about?
[194.45] (squeaky voices): I don't encourage you. Guys, come on. Seriously.
[198.45] (squeaky voices): Hi, everyone.
[201.45] Jack: I know my mum's going to be watching this one. Hi, mum.
[208.45] Jack: Make sure she takes her pill.
[214.45] Jack: Back from rehab and ERC. How are you doing, buddy?
[218.45] Jack: Good evening.
[220.45] Jack: And I'm Brighton.
[222.45] Jack: Hello, and welcome to the show.
[225.45] Jack: So, Bluel, would you like to talk about our guests and tell us a little bit about them?
[231.45] BlueOwl: Sure. I was just going to ask, I won't be going to introduce our guests,
[236.45] BlueOwl: but I guess nobody apart from me can pronounce the name here.
[240.45] BlueOwl: So we're joined by a special guest tonight, Bloob and Vork.
[245.45] BlueOwl: There you go.
[247.45] BlueOwl: Well done, Bluel.
[248.45] BlueOwl: Who is my fellow high-tield freestyler?
[254.45] BlueOwl: Oh, there's two of you now.
[257.45] BlueOwl: Yeah, apparently.
[260.45] Curry: How high? Higher than 65?
[263.45] Curry: Sorry, I'm interrupting. I was just saying, is it higher than 65 or is it the same as your fly?
[269.45] BlueOwl: It's probably just the same. It's about the same.
[274.45] BlueOwl: We probably even fly or used to fly the same setup.
[279.45] Curry: I suppose you're both just looking at the sky all the time, but sorry, please carry on.
[283.45] BlueOwl: No, no, no, we do. We do look at the ground sometimes of the trees when we crash into them or, you know,
[289.45] BlueOwl: when you fly backwards, you can see a lot of interesting stuff going on behind.
[294.45] BlueOwl: So, no, it's not just the sky.
[297.45] AndyRC: N.J., you're a bit of a high-tilt guy, aren't you? You flew the, what was it called now?
[303.45] AndyRC: Was it the Hawk? And you got a crazy angle on that. Well, compared to me, I thought.
[308.45] NJ: I think for a while I was 45 to 50, was kind of the highest I went.
[314.45] NJ: And I'm a lot flatter now. You know, it's probably something that comes with age.
[318.45] NJ: Yeah, for sure.
[321.45] NJ: Yeah, but I guess it's all down to the style of flying you do.
[326.45] NJ: Some people get on really great with that. If you're a racer, obviously, as well.
[330.45] NJ: But, yeah, different for different people, I guess.
[334.45] Curry: We all did want to try the 65-degree challenge, but it's been so awful.
[340.45] Curry: I know about you guys, but I haven't been out flying. I've just been shuttering from the rain, basically.
[345.45] Curry: But I think it'd be interesting to test it. But I was meaning to ask you last time we were talking about this.
[350.45] Curry: Do you fly with a particularly wide-angle lens? Does that help, like a 1.66mm or something? Or is it narrower than that?
[357.45] Florent: It's a bit narrower. I'm flying at 1.8mm lens.
[363.45] Florent: I think you, Kaya, do the same because we are flying the same setup.
[368.45] Florent: It's a Fox here, a Predator V2, V4, etc.
[373.45] Florent: And the widest lens is the 1.8.
[379.45] Florent: It's enough to fly eye tilt, but reducing the field of view is a very bad idea for this kind of flying, yeah.
[389.45] Florent: Mainly for backward flying, because when we are flying backward, it's like flying forward reverse and with 110 degrees of tilt.
[405.45] Florent: So you need some field of view to just be able to see at least the top of the tree.
[413.45] Florent: The wider the lens, the easier the flying, but also the most shaky the video is on the sticks.
[427.45] Florent: So it's kind of a compromise for me at least, because I'm always shaky at the sticks and I want to be able to see when I mess up with the piloting.
[438.45] AndyRC: So just to explain, you've got that much camera tilt on your quad that when your quad is backwards, the camera's looking upside down.
[448.45] AndyRC: And it looks like you're flying upside down, but it's just that look.
[452.45] Tony: Look at that!
[460.45] Florent: So when I fly like this, I'm flying backward, but I'm still flying because the thrust is always pointing to the upwards.
[474.45] Florent: So I'm still flying, and I'm flying backward. And when I'm flying forward, I'm like this, and it's, yeah.
[485.45] Tony: Wow, it goes very fast. It goes very fast, but it's flying forward.
[489.45] Tony: Can you make flow big again and then flow? Can you just hold your quad level?
[497.45] Tony: Look at that! That's crazy!
[500.45] BlueOwl: And where's the front? Because that's also confusing.
[504.45] AndyRC: It's not really a GoPro mount, it's so much that it's just strapped to the bathroom.
[508.45] Curry: You might as well just take it on there with some camera.
[511.45] Tony: That is mad.
[513.45] Curry: Thank you.
[515.45] Curry: It's so weird to watch videos with you guys doing your high tilt, because you look at it first and you're like, is this 3D?
[522.45] Curry: Because it looks like you're not losing height when you're flying upside down.
[526.45] Curry: Because of course you're not flying upside down, it just looks like you are, but it's just great.
[531.45] Curry: Did you go from flying like regular, or did you just like, oh, that's how I want my lens at all times? Did you just start off like this?
[539.45] Florent: It's just a matter of fooling the brain of people, and that's what I like.
[544.45] Florent: And it's exactly what I felt when I saw the MatiStance video, who got me into itals.
[554.45] Florent: The first time I saw this, maybe I'm pretty sure you all know him.
[560.45] Florent: And the first time I saw him, my brain just exploded.
[566.45] Florent: And instantly I said, okay, I have to do this. I have to understand it and to be able to do the same.
[574.45] Florent: And it was the start of a very long training plan.
[579.45] Tony: Do the controls change? Like when you're going forwards and backwards?
[583.45] Tony: They must all feel strange when you're pushing forward.
[588.45] Tony: When I do a higher tilt for racing, everything goes out of my house.
[596.45] NJ: It's pitching yaw that basically the ratio between those start to change.
[602.45] NJ: So yaw actually becomes more like pitch than a tilt go. So you have to reprogram your brain to fly like that.
[608.45] NJ: You can cheat and use the camera tilt feature in Betafly, but we don't like cheating. You need your brain to do it properly.
[616.45] Tony: I think I'll take the cheat route when I ever go.
[620.45] Curry: Do batteries not last as long? Because what I know is even doing like a moderate 40 degree tilt is that because I'm thinking I need to look at the ground,
[628.45] Curry: it's of course the quads like this. So you need a lot more throttle just to have it going along.
[633.45] Curry: And my batteries last a couple of minutes less doing that sort of thing.
[637.45] Florent: Yes, there are two topics in one. There are battery life in a flight and battery life overall.
[646.45] Florent: And these two are closely linked.
[652.45] Florent: When I started flying high tilt, the flying time was about 1.30 minutes. It was very, very short.
[663.45] AndyRC: 1.30 minutes. Look at this here, girl. Wow.
[668.45] Curry: Yeah, it doesn't make sense, does it? It messes with your head completely.
[673.45] Jack: Someone described what's going on.
[677.45] Curry: Well, basically, he looks like he's got all this time flying upside down, whereas he doesn't appear to be losing much height.
[686.45] Curry: That's why it sort of kind of looks 3D almost to me.
[689.45] BlueOwl: That's exactly the case. In fact, you're not falling if you're upside down. It's just again, it's tricking your brain.
[696.45] BlueOwl: You're not actually upside down. You still have enough upward thrust to keep you up in there.
[701.45] BlueOwl: And yeah, what's weird is that the muscle memory gets completely messed up.
[707.45] BlueOwl: It's completely changes because suddenly if you think about it, your role becomes a yo.
[713.45] BlueOwl: Your yo becomes a role, more or less. It's not quite. I mean, no one would have explained it this way.
[720.45] BlueOwl: But if you think about the general idea, that's the case.
[724.45] BlueOwl: And then there are some traps, for example, if you fly and you want to avoid the tree, normally what you do is you just add throttle to go up.
[732.45] BlueOwl: But in this case, adding throttle will just make it go faster. So you'll just crash into the tree faster, right?
[738.45] BlueOwl: So what you have to do is actually use the pitch to control the height and use the throttle to control the speed.
[744.45] BlueOwl: So you have to reprogram your brain. It's kind of hard to go back, but it's not impossible.
[750.45] Curry: So two questions about that, then about when you're going for high tilt, you just sort of gradually work up and work up and work up.
[758.45] Curry: And once you've got there and you're comfortable flying that, are you able to go back to like a moderate tilt and be able to fly?
[763.45] Curry: Or are you back to sort of screwing with your brain again because you're back to where you're not used to?
[769.45] Florent: Actually, that's what I did. But it wasn't the best idea I had because I will try to explain.
[779.45] Florent: I think that between 40 degrees and 60 degrees, all things are mixed up and it will not bring anything to try to keep flying faster.
[793.45] Florent: In that configuration, you would do better by putting your tilt right up to 65, for example, and starting trying to get the muscle memory, learning the mixes between your inverse view and inverse wall, et cetera, right at the correct angle.
[820.45] Florent: And I think this will guide you to a lot faster learning curve.
[830.45] Florent: I think you did this, Kaya. You started right up to 65, 60 or 65, and you didn't iterate from 30 to 60, and you did it quite quickly, as I remember.
[849.45] Florent: And also, it's quite important to note that Kaya wanted to keep training on low tilt as well as high tilt, and she's maybe the only one I know to be able to fly both, yeah, basically flying one and changing the battery and flying the other, the high tilt and the lower tilt at the same time.
[874.45] Florent: And I just don't understand how it is possible because I am completely deprogrammed, and if you give me a low tilt, I am even worse than a beginner.
[889.45] Tony: So once you go 65, you can never go back.
[894.45] BlueOwl: That's not true. That's not true. It depends who you ask.
[900.45] Florent: It's just a matter of brain flexibility, but mine is not flexible at all.
[906.45] BlueOwl: Well, you can say that, but on the other hand, I don't really have the same kind of precision that you have, so you're a lot more technical and you do a lot more risky tricks.
[917.45] BlueOwl: And I just fly around so I can switch between the low tilt. When I say low, I actually mean something around 30 degrees. It's not low to many people, but yeah, so I can go between 30 and 65 quite easily.
[930.45] BlueOwl: It takes me maybe one or two packs to get used to it, but I will never be able to be as precise.
[936.45] Florent: Yeah, yeah. Typically, I think we can handle both piloting skills and we can keep them together, but I don't know what is the trigger that could lead us to go from one to one other as quickly as it is needed because, yeah, basically, you have to be able from one second to another to switch your mind and to apply different skills.
[966.45] Florent: So, mixing to your piloting, physically, I don't get it, so maybe that's why I can't fly.
[974.45] BlueOwl: Just fake it so you make it. That's my way.
[978.45] NJ: Another thing I think as well, if you do want to be in that camp that learns to fly the extreme end and then the normal end, it's better to have them well separated rather than to have them close because then there's a middle ground where you're not one and you're not the other.
[996.45] NJ: As mentioned, if you go 65 degrees as your one quad, get your brain used to flying it like that, then you can switch your brain to thinking of the quad at 25 degrees as almost like a different machine, a different thing that you're flying.
[1014.45] NJ: It's weird. I think reviewers have a little bit of this where you're constantly having to fly different quads all the time to review them, but you have to get into this mindset of just switching to a new machine and forgetting, which is a bad thing as much as it's good to be flying other stuff because of the consistency, but, yeah, it's very interesting.
[1037.45] Frank: How about switching between quads and wings then? There's quite a few bits that you've done with the TBS Capi 2. Do you have a same issue then or do you just have so much tilt that you're basically just a wing without wings?
[1056.45] Florent: No, with the Capi 2, my tilt is basically zero. So it's a different thing. And yeah, you got the point. It's a different thing and I have no problem switching from one to another because it's so much different that I don't even think about using the same skills.
[1081.45] Florent: Also, flying the Capi 2, when you have the habits of flying fixed-wing planes, it is not a matter of technical skills. I prefer seeing it of technical challenge and navigation tricks.
[1107.45] Florent: There are very little piloting skills into flying a Capi, but it's more about taking some risks with the gear, getting very far, getting very low, planning if you will get stuck with the wind, with the turbulence, anything else.
[1134.45] Florent: And just doing some bets about what is the best compromise between getting the right shot and being able to get the wing back.
[1147.45] Florent: So when I fly the Capi, it's not technical. It's not piloting. It's a different thing. And I absolutely need the two to enjoy my FPV life the best.
[1162.45] BlueOwl: So I've seen some questions about landing in the chat.
[1167.45] Curry: We covered that last time, didn't we? You suggested to find two trees and when you're below them, just take your throttle off.
[1174.45] BlueOwl: So this is my technique. But Flo has never tried it himself. And I guess he can explain.
[1182.45] Florent: I had to a very few times, but it's not the best way to land. The only way to land is to get used to putting the quad in a hover and remove the Google,
[1204.45] Florent: looking at finding him, finding the quad and putting it to the end while piloting lost.
[1213.45] Curry: Well, it doesn't work for me with blindness. It's like, what? Where am I? I can't see anything. That's what happens when I take my goggles off.
[1222.45] Tony: I like Blue Hell's technique. Just turn it off and crash.
[1226.45] BlueOwl: Just crash and you don't have to land. That's why.
[1229.45] Curry: You'll be able to hear as close to you from the scary wasp noise and then just take the throttle off and sound the beeper and go and get it.
[1236.45] NJ: There is one other technique I found with very high camera angles, which you can use if you can get used to it. And you'll see people like a lot of the races like Thomas Bitmata does this a lot, which is basically to very quickly change directions or do a very fast bank.
[1252.45] NJ: And then obviously you're almost in what you, I can only tell you that the helicopter term of this, but what we call a funnel, which is where you're doing a very, sort of very shallow high angled circuit.
[1264.45] NJ: And that will get you slow enough to where you can then just flatten out and kill the throttle.
[1269.45] NJ: I always see Thomas when he land.
[1272.45] NJ: Yeah, because he's working at such crazy camera angles. Same thing. He'll just circle something and then just, I don't think there's a way to make the landing look very graceful.
[1282.45] NJ: It's going to be an arrival.
[1285.45] Curry: So just fly as well as Thomas and you'll be fine. And also world champion, I expect.
[1294.45] Florent: When we fly a very tight space, it's the best way to land because yeah, the Hoover is not as precise as we would need to get the quad into the field of view.
[1308.45] Florent: Maybe sometimes it is hidden by the trees or anything else. So yeah, this is the good way to land when you don't have the choice.
[1320.45] Florent: But when I can avoid it, I avoid it because I'm a very lazy people and also I want my quads to be very clean. So every time I hit the ground, I have cleaned them.
[1335.45] BlueOwl: But you also have some RC experience. So landing line of sight is not really an issue. It's not that stressful for you. It's actually the easiest way to get recording one piece.
[1348.45] Tony: Well, we can see he's got a line of sight experience because he's got them DLGs behind him.
[1356.45] Curry: Normally I hate line of sight flying, but DLG is the exception because it feels very interactive because you're always throwing it and you're always doing landings again. Well, I am because I can't stay up for more than a couple of minutes.
[1371.45] Curry: I'm sure if you're any good, it's like half an hour later you come down. But yeah, I do like a DLG.
[1376.45] NJ: That's so much fun. Everyone should have one. They're brilliant.
[1381.45] NJ: Do you have any?
[1383.45] NJ: You'd have to teach me line of sight first then, Joe.
[1386.45] NJ: Honestly, they're so much fun. And to get something like an elf is a really good starting point. That's the one I've mentioned before. It's cheap. It's a good way in. It's a decent model.
[1398.45] NJ: And then, you know, well, yeah, exactly. It's a seasonal DLG. And then you can, I mean, they get seriously expensive. I was at the field with a friend.
[1410.45] NJ: Who managed to set his trim wrong on takeoff. He had a blaster for which it's not a cheap, not a cheap build once you've put it together. And we had lots of good flights and then he forgot to set the trim when he threw it and it just threw it straight into the ground.
[1425.45] NJ: That was a sad day. But they're amazing. I can see why people that start with DLG get really into them, especially if you live somewhere hot where you can have fun with thermals.
[1437.45] Jack: I remember the old test days where David was trying to teach Josh Bixler how to launch him and he was so good, like properly slings it and it makes that cracking noise.
[1453.45] Jack: And it's bang and then straight up in the air. And I've always liked them. Sheldon's destroyed his. I walked past it the other day. What happened to that? It's like literally in half. Like the tail boom. There's no tail on the end of it.
[1471.45] AndyRC: Do you reckon about Caroline's question about trying a variable tilt on a servo? Because the option is there in Betaflight, isn't it?
[1480.45] Tony: Fossil stuff's already done it. They've done it about five years ago. I think you put it, Fossil stuff put it on a servo tilt on one of his Gravity 280s. So when he switched forward it went up.
[1492.45] NJ: Yeah, I think the bigger problem is the weight is one thing. It's extra weight you don't necessarily want. It usually affects the frame design and it can be a fragile mechanism as well. So something can break.
[1505.45] Tony: Fossil's done it on a spring mechanism.
[1508.45] Curry: I did try it about five years ago and it was on a 450 quad on a KK2 board. And aside from that, I mean, that's a big quad anyway, but it doesn't matter. But I was just explaining on the chat, it messed my brain up because normally the way you sort of fly and the tilt you are sort of suggests your speed and how low you are and stuff.
[1531.45] Curry: And I just lost my complete sort of visual idea of how high I was off the ground because speeding up and slowing down didn't cause anything to happen on the tilt. It was so weird. So what I had was, as I speeded up, I had my angle sort of changed like it was a basic mechanical gimbal. So I could always keep my same angle and that just messed with me.
[1556.45] Curry: If you just had a switch to say landing mode, I think that would be that would be easier. But once you've got it on something where you're basically keeping the same, but you're going different speeds, it's like, oh, my brain didn't work.
[1569.45] Frank: Yeah. Are you going to prototype the landing mode in your simulator then, Curry?
[1575.79] Curry: Yeah, you can just put it on a switch. As released on yesterday, I even tested it with this one. It's like zero, 70 and 35 in the middle. You can do it that way.
[1587.79] AndyRC: Yeah, you could do that with a servo as well, couldn't you, if you were. But it's sort of just the weight and, you know, I don't think. Yeah, you could just have like 60 degrees and then when you want to land, flick a switch and the camera just goes, yep, there you go. And you can land off.
[1602.79] NJ: Everyone should do this afterwards. Everyone should go into Curry Sim and try out flying at 65 degrees. But you've got to record it. You've got to record your first attempt just to see what happens.
[1612.79] Curry: Well, I tried it and it was so weird. Even in a sim, it was weird. It was just like, what am I doing?
[1622.79] Curry: As soon as I went to the big tower and did the inverted ures around it, it's like, this is so easy. I was just like forever just going backwards, round and round. But just flying around generally was just like, what's going on? I couldn't understand.
[1637.79] Curry: I can see it. It would take a while to get used to. But I take NJ's point and flows about if you're going to do it, just go like, you know, sort of just go, go full, full tilt and try it because it's no good. Just moving up and up and up because I'm quite comfortable like flying sort of 4045 occasionally when I get like a nice big wide angle camera lens.
[1660.79] Curry: But I just use it to go really, really fast. But as soon as you it seems there's a point you go past and that's that just my brain slightly break. So it's going to take a bit of retraining.
[1671.79] NJ: Blue Owl made a really good point, actually, as well, which is that it's certain things that you have to change your brain, for instance, like your panic reaction. Everyone has a panic reaction. So for most people, it's like throttle up or pull back a little bit.
[1685.79] NJ: You know, there's something that that's got to completely change at a high tilt because obviously so much of your thrust is going that way and it's no longer going this way. So, you know, if your panic reaction is to put throttle in, you're just going to make for a far faster crash.
[1704.79] NJ: So it's got to be more about pulling the stick back and it's just a whole relearning, but it's it's it's fun. Everyone should give it a go, especially with simulators.
[1716.79] Jack: It really reminds me of this meme. I don't know if any of you remember it. The QR 450 or something like that, isn't it?
[1727.79] Jack: QAV 250, I think.
[1729.79] Jack: I've still got that somewhere.
[1731.79] Tony: I've got that.
[1733.79] Jack: Yeah, from Lumineer and you've got like the beginning of GoPro, you've got the intermediate, you've got the advanced, the slow-tilting back and then the GoPro completely flat.
[1742.79] Jack: For anyone who's under 25, this is a GoPro Hero 3 Black.
[1750.79] Jack: GoPro used to look like this.
[1752.79] AndyRC: Also known as Jack's current GoPro.
[1755.79] Jack: Yeah.
[1757.79] Jack: In my wing. Thank you very much.
[1759.79] Jack: Yeah. And you used to like take this little cover off here and then plug in a USB micro mini.
[1767.79] Jack: Not micro mini.
[1769.79] Jack: And yeah, Lord and Savior Sharp who one day will return, apparently.
[1775.79] NJ: I love that quad, the QAV 250.
[1779.79] NJ: It was brilliant.
[1780.79] NJ: I knew I was having fun with mini quads because that was the first one I crashed into a ditch full of water.
[1786.79] NJ: And I'd never fly near water and do anything stupid.
[1789.79] NJ: But that was the first mini quad where I was like, I'm going to start flying stupid now.
[1794.79] NJ: I'm going to start going for gaps and doing things I would never do.
[1798.79] Tony: I like all the ESCs just underneath everything.
[1805.79] Jack: And the LED.
[1806.79] Jack: It's carbon and conductive metal bottom plate.
[1810.79] Jack: It's conductive aluminium screws.
[1813.79] Tony: Definitely get it right there.
[1815.79] Florent: And do you remember of that guy who lived in Australia? He was called...
[1821.79] Florent: Charles?
[1823.79] (squeaky voices): Yeah.
[1826.79] Florent: He was so good at it.
[1829.79] NJ: He's amazing. Yeah.
[1831.79] NJ: He's great.
[1832.79] Curry: He's still put stuff out and he's still one of my favorite pilots because he's just so fluid without being overly flippy floppy.
[1840.79] Curry: And plus, there's always kangaroos in his videos, which is cool.
[1843.79] NJ: So, with him, really interesting thing with him because back on the open pilot forums for anyone, remember those back in the day.
[1852.79] NJ: There was one person I used to chat to a lot because we were the only two people on there with the same frame was Boris before he'd sort of done the thing with B to Flight.
[1862.79] NJ: Sorry.
[1865.79] NJ: The other one was just because he was messing around with that with the open.
[1870.79] NJ: The CC3D just was doing that as well.
[1872.79] NJ: But I got into following him because he was one of the first people to take a T-Rex 500 electric helicopter and he hung this camera under it on a little custom cage and his footage was amazing.
[1885.79] NJ: And I did the same thing and mine didn't look anywhere near as good as his on my little electric helicopter.
[1889.79] NJ: But if you look at his early videos, he's got this great stabilized footage from hanging like a cannon or something underneath the helicopter.
[1899.79] NJ: But then when he got into FPV, everyone was like, OK, this guy's awesome.
[1904.79] NJ: He was a real...
[1906.79] NJ: He was like...
[1908.79] Florent: He was amazing, wasn't he?
[1911.79] NJ: Yeah, agreed.
[1913.79] NJ: He was amazing.
[1915.79] NJ: He still is.
[1917.79] NJ: Don't see him so much nowadays.
[1920.79] NJ: Yeah, he's not quite as active on his channel anymore.
[1922.79] NJ: But I just remember him doing racing and doing laps around his field and it was just low and fast.
[1928.79] NJ: And the quads were massive then as well.
[1930.79] NJ: They were running, you know, 4S, 4,000 milliamp packs.
[1934.79] NJ: They were huge things.
[1936.79] NJ: Yeah.
[1938.79] NJ: It's weird. We've gone from that size quad down to this size quad.
[1942.79] NJ: And now we're going back out again towards the end.
[1945.79] NJ: Yeah, these things come around, eh?
[1948.79] Frank: They come around.
[1975.79] Tony: Let's drone out.
[1977.79] Tony: That's the new fossil stuff, Tomahawk.
[1979.79] Tony: Wow.
[1980.79] Tony: Has it been made in yet?
[1982.79] Tony: Yeah, it has been made in, but my GoPro footage didn't come out.
[1985.79] Tony: It froze, so that was annoying.
[1988.79] Curry: How did the flight go in terms of your endurance? Any good?
[1991.79] Tony: It was four and a half minutes on a 4S.
[1995.79] Tony: And I've just got a 6S 2200 milliamp hour.
[1999.79] Tony: So I'm hoping to get 10, maybe 12 minutes out of it.
[2004.79] Tony: We'll have to see.
[2006.79] Florent: We'll have to see.
[2008.79] Tony: Why don't you get the champion?
[2012.79] Tony: That'll probably be the next thing I'll do.
[2015.79] Tony: Because it will go for 15, 20 minutes then.
[2019.79] Tony: Yeah.
[2021.79] Tony: Yeah, yeah.
[2023.79] Tony: This is prototype, really.
[2025.79] Tony: But it's so prototype.
[2027.79] Tony: It looks and flies really great already.
[2030.79] Tony: I mean, I've only put one battery through it, but it feels really good.
[2034.79] Tony: So looking forward to putting the 6S on it and seeing if we can get 10 minutes out of it.
[2040.79] Tony: But we've got to wait for that rain to go away.
[2043.79] Tony: What about dual blades as well, Tom? Wouldn't that be better for it?
[2046.79] Tony: I might go dual blades as well to get some more time out of it.
[2050.79] Tony: The motors are only 1,200 kV, so I reckon with dual blades and the 6S.
[2057.79] Tony: I reckon it's got so much room up here.
[2060.79] Tony: Probably sake of 3,000.
[2062.79] Tony: Yeah.
[2065.79] Tony: We were planning for 20 minutes.
[2068.79] Tony: And I think we will get 20 minutes.
[2071.79] Tony: Because it's a prototype, you've just got to keep messing around, aren't you?
[2075.79] Tony: Changing props, changing different bits on it.
[2078.79] Tony: Yeah.
[2080.79] Tony: Hopefully, tomorrow, if my antenna turns up, because I had problems with the antenna,
[2086.79] Tony: I went down and saw Jackie boy and he helped me fix a new antenna in.
[2091.79] Tony: I literally put an antenna in it and it popped out and most of the antenna stayed in the DJI unit.
[2101.79] Jack: So the MMCX connector plugged the antenna in and the antenna's got a little bit of a round shield
[2111.79] Jack: and that's stuck in and the antenna popped out.
[2116.79] Jack: You should have seen the look on Tony's face.
[2118.79] Jack: You know old boy, the Warren G Jack, like brand new air unit completely apart.
[2126.79] Tony: I looked over his shoulder and was like, I just spent 150 quid on that and you've taken it apart.
[2134.79] Jack: Manically laughing as I desold the MMCX connector off and then just soldered on a new one.
[2142.79] Curry: Is this because all DJI units have been programmed to self-destruct now, version 2's coming out, is that all?
[2148.79] Curry: Is that the tactic?
[2149.79] Jack: Probably.
[2151.79] Jack: Yeah, they're selling their seconds now. They're just trying to get rid of it.
[2155.79] Frank: Andy, got anything to say here?
[2158.79] Curry: Nope.
[2159.79] Curry: Andy secretly got several behind him, that's for sure.
[2163.79] AndyRC: I've been down this road before, nope.
[2169.79] Frank: You've got a good statement or anything, mate.
[2173.79] Frank: It's been signed off by the lawyers.
[2179.79] Frank: Flow, before we got distracted by the past 10 years of FPV, we were talking about DLGs.
[2190.79] Frank: How did you get, what was your route into FPV from general RC flying?
[2198.79] Frank: What else did you fly beforehand?
[2201.79] Florent: I started flying RC models at the age of 12.
[2209.79] Florent: I was really passionate into mainly building them more than flying them because I couldn't fly them where I live.
[2220.79] Florent: The story was we spent, every year we spent one year building gliders and when the weather was correct.
[2233.79] Florent: As we lived in the south of France, you know, in the summer there are a lot of places which are forbidden for fire risks.
[2246.79] Florent: So we had a very short time schedule to be able to fly.
[2257.79] Florent: Maybe we flew 5 to 10 times a year and the rest of the year we were building RC models with wood glue and all the old school techniques.
[2277.79] Florent: I really got keen on all of this and I started being so passionate that all of us spent all my money into it.
[2295.79] Florent: Quite early, there was something missing in this RC hobby.
[2307.39] Florent: What I missed was the fact that we were flying the models for the model itself but not for admiring the landscape, the spot where we were.
[2322.39] Florent: That kind of satisfaction, I found it when flying a full-scale glider.
[2334.39] Florent: But I wanted to be able to fly lower, to be closer from the obstacles to the objects, to the landscape.
[2342.39] Florent: Because when you fly at 1 to 2 km height, there is nothing which changes. It's always the same view. It's not interesting but it's different.
[2358.39] Florent: Between full-scale gliders and RC gliders, there was a gap which was not felt and I wanted to fill it.
[2372.39] Florent: The first time I flew, it wasn't FPV but with a camera on the plane, it was an RC plane with a surveillance camera mounted on it.
[2385.39] Florent: I was so happy to be able to get the video back and to see it after the flight. It was incredible and I followed the trend.
[2401.39] Florent: When the KK board and the tricopter from the RC Explorer went on the Internet, almost immediately I built one, two, three tricopters.
[2419.39] Florent: We had to build the KK board with bare balls and we had to solder the components and to dismantle helicopter gyros to get three gyros to get gyro functioning.
[2441.39] Florent: It was quite a mess but it worked. We were able to do FPV with the tricopter, with the KK board and with only a GoPro with a s***y latency.
[2456.39] Florent: But it was flying. David Windestal showed us a very beautiful video of what we can achieve with their setup. It was amazing at that time.
[2470.39] Florent: We didn't know that and it was the first time. It quickly evolved with TBS so I had the TBS discovery. I lost it in a lake.
[2487.39] Florent: I found it eight hours later with my friends doing some scuba diving to find it. I only kept the GoPro and the frame.
[2501.39] Florent: This was a stop for me because I didn't have any money more for this kind of activity.
[2508.39] Florent: The time I went back to FPV was when all the gear was mature enough to bring us some durability and reliability.
[2521.39] Florent: It was with the Allianz and the first water riot event. I was inspired by Charles Nowak, who did a very...
[2536.39] Florent: This was the KK board.
[2540.39] Florent: When many gyros went out on the market, it was a revolution because they weren't listening.
[2549.39] Florent: On those boards, between the beginning of the flight and the end of the flight, we had to modify the trim because they couldn't keep it.
[2562.39] Florent: Mainly on the yoke, we started the flight with the full trim at the right and the end of the flight was full trim at left.
[2573.39] Florent: It was still drifting. It was a different adventure. This video, the leaf blower.
[2584.39] Jack: Sorry, we're just playing David. I'm sure he won't mind.
[2589.39] Curry: What I discovered to get into FPV was one of David's videos and his build log.
[2600.39] Curry: But at least at that point, I could actually buy KK1. I didn't have to rip things apart to build one, which is just as well.
[2607.39] Curry: This was amazing.
[2610.39] Tony: You know, they've got it made nowadays, isn't it? It's so much easier nowadays.
[2617.39] Jack: Look at that jello and he's not diving.
[2622.39] Tony: Yeah, but to be fair, that's pretty good footage back then.
[2628.39] NJ: It's saying stuff like that that makes you sound old. That's the stuff we have to avoid. People don't know how good they've got it.
[2636.39] Tony: Right. I'm not going to say anything anymore.
[2641.39] NJ: I would love to see some new pilots pick up like an old KK or a CC3D and try and buy an old firmware. It would be the best thing.
[2657.39] Tony: I've never said this before, but look at the size of Currys.
[2663.39] Curry: Look at the size of Currys.
[2666.39] Curry: The proper 2.5 one with the old E-750 motors.
[2671.39] Curry: And it was made out of wood. Perfect.
[2674.39] Curry: Good. Thank you.
[2676.39] Jack: Better than good. It's wood.
[2678.39] Tony: I remember when me and Jack were flying one day in the valley.
[2686.39] Tony: Do you remember? You crashed your wooden copter and then we made a fire out of it because we were cold.
[2698.39] Jack: That was like the poo copter.
[2701.39] Jack: And then when I sold it, everyone was really upset.
[2706.39] Jack: I made like a test bench for, oh, what was it called? INAV, the original INAV one point whatever.
[2715.39] Jack: We were flying. That thing was amazing.
[2718.39] Tony: That flew for like 25 minutes. I think it flew better than longer than a DVI Phantom 2 or whatever at the time.
[2727.39] Jack: At one point we were just hovering it next to each other and like just put the controller down somewhere.
[2734.39] Jack: And then we forgot about it. We just left it like hovering right next to us and we're doing other stuff.
[2741.39] Jack: And like Tony nearly walks into it and then the beeper alarm goes off.
[2747.39] Jack: And then me and him have both forgotten where we've put the controller.
[2750.39] Jack: They're like, where's the transmitter? I think he's in the back of the van. Tony's like, where it is.
[2758.39] Jack: We went on for ages. We just got bored. We had enough of fire in it.
[2762.39] Tony: I think that's probably, did you crash it or did it crash? You must have crashed it so we might fire it.
[2768.39] Jack: I think it must have been impossible to crash.
[2772.39] Jack: Sheldon may or may not have taken it above the low flying cloud.
[2776.39] Jack: That foggy evening and stuff. You'd get it back and you couldn't see out the FPV screen because it was all fogged up.
[2784.39] Jack: That poor thing. Some guy bought it and came round and he put Spectrum on it and I was like, oh man.
[2792.39] Tony: You're not my friend anymore.
[2795.39] NJ: I'm still laughing at Mr. Fruity Cake's idea of an FPV retirement home, which is somewhere where we're all going to get put in this place at some point.
[2811.39] NJ: We can tell the youngsters and the carers about how we flew on 200 milliseconds of latency.
[2816.39] (squeaky voices): Let's get you to bed, Charlie.
[2821.39] (squeaky voices): I like the sound of that, Jay. Is that bad?
[2826.39] Tony: The nurse is arguing about who's going to want to give in their sponge bath.
[2832.39] Jack: We did well. We got through almost the whole hour.
[2835.39] Jack: Jay.
[2837.39] Jack: Yeah, yeah.
[2839.39] UNKNOWN: There's a lot of things we can do.
[2840.39] BlueOwl: I think it's a longer story because you're a mechanical engineer and as far as I know you, we've been building a lot of things together and I know that everything that you do, everything you design has a lot of things to do with you.
[2854.39] BlueOwl: I was actually, I think it's a longer story because you're a mechanical engineer and as far as I know you, we've been building a lot of things together and I know that everything that you do, everything you design has all the details thought through.
[2872.39] BlueOwl: Really, everything is given some time to kind of readjust and find some small improvements. So I was wondering what motivated you to design and release your own frame.
[2886.39] Florent: Thank you.
[2887.39] Florent: Thank you.
[2889.39] Florent: The motivation was because when you fly items, you don't have any material, any gear, any setup you can build that will tell you, okay, you can do everything you want while flying items.
[2907.39] Florent: The best frame I had was the frog, the Chinese frog, the only the only Chinese frame that was not a copy and it was a frame that matched my requirements at somewhere between 70 to 80%.
[2928.39] Florent: But there were still 20% of frustration given by the fact that it was a bottom mount battery that we couldn't tune it because of a bottom mount battery, etc.
[2941.39] Florent: It was a mess to tune, it was not as robust as I wanted and also recently I switched to six inch to gain a lot of efficiency and trust, but at the same time, basically.
[2962.39] Florent: And it didn't exist in 16. So back in 2016, I started thinking about what would be the best freestyle frame which could be able to do high tilt.
[2980.39] Florent: And I think about it. I thought about it with my friend, Kevin. He was the guy with pony gear, maybe you know her.
[2991.39] Florent: And we did a kind of market study on our own to see what would be the best setup and the top mount battery was preferred by freestyle pilots, but it led to something inadequate regarding the center of gravity.
[3020.39] Florent: So what I ended up with was a setup with the battery at the center of all the masses.
[3031.39] Florent: Can you show us the frame? I saw it before.
[3037.39] Florent: So the battery is at the center of the quad and everything is centralized at the center so that all the inertial are reduced at the strict minimum and unlike standard alien type frames, for example, you don't have the latency, the inertia
[3065.39] Florent: in the pitch axis that you are all used to. It's quite like bottom mount frames, but not without the drawbacks of bottom mount.
[3079.39] Florent: The center of gravity is absolutely perfectly aligned with the plane props, sorry, the props plane, so that there is no pendulum effect or reverse pendulum effect and it has to be tuned like a mixed quad.
[3103.39] Florent: It's also one of the most important criteria that I have with the toughness, the sturdiness of the frame, because when we crash in height, we crash at full throttle in a tree.
[3123.39] Florent: It's the most probable type of crash and you want to be able to recover the quad with a minimum of brakes.
[3146.39] Florent: On this frame, I had what I expected. All the center of the quad is well protected and centralized so it is not submitted to obstacles.
[3164.39] Florent: On a very hard crash, the battery is able to go out of the quad so we lose 250 grams from 80 grams quad and all the energy that is stored in the battery does air life and lets the quad handle less energy on the rest of the impact.
[3189.39] Florent: When I crash, the battery goes out. In the worst case, I break a motor if it touches the obstacle the first. If we have a lot of speed, one arm breaks and protects all the center of the frame.
[3213.39] Florent: With this quad, I wanted to be satisfied with a kind of ratio that I had in mind. Maybe you also thought about it.
[3229.39] Florent: When we go into a spot and we fly, we want to be able to fly as hard as possible without being forced to go back too quickly.
[3242.39] Florent: It means that you have to manage a risk to frustration ratio. When you crash, you know how hard you crash and you expect the quad to handle quite well the type of crash you had.
[3262.39] BlueOwl: I am laughing because I warned you that he has all the details. Long story short, this frame didn't exist on the market so no frame was good enough for Proven to fly high tails so he just had to come up with his own one and I find it incredible. I could wait to try it.
[3286.39] NJ: For anyone that didn't pick up on that, that's a really good point about the inertia that's carried in a quad. Some people love the way big heavy quads fly but the problem is you carry a lot of inertia. That energy has to go somewhere and how it's dissipated in a crash is obviously that can be through the arm.
[3308.39] NJ: If you lose a lot of that mass, then obviously a lot of the inertia then changes and that makes a lot of sense. You definitely can tell we have an engineer here.
[3321.39] BlueOwl: How can we get it?
[3324.39] Florent: The frame? It is on the Drone FPV Racer website so it's a French shop. Long story short, I built on my own the prototypes of the frame. I was very satisfied with them but they were quite expensive.
[3352.39] Florent: I contacted them to tell them, I will give you all the design if you can put it on the market and for free. That's what they did.
[3368.39] Florent: They are selling the frame for this exact frame in two versions, in an analog version where they fly and in a kind of digital version which is able to carry the vista only, not the air limit which is a bit heavier because the vista is quite bulky.
[3396.39] Florent: I'm quite happy because now I can get some spare parts for free from them.
[3412.39] Florent: The prototype that I paid maybe €500 for each frame, I know I have them for free so it's a good reward.
[3425.39] Tony: That's good. Talking of digital, our lovely friend from NSRC, Greg, is going to give away a Digi Pack for the next three weeks leading up to Christmas.
[3439.39] Tony: Curry Kitten has got a number aside him.
[3447.39] Jack: The amount of sexual partners Tony has had in his lifetime, anyone who's closest to the number wins.
[3460.39] Tony: If you put your guesses in the chat, you could win a Digi Pack from Greg.
[3470.39] NJ: We may have a number range, perhaps the number.
[3476.39] Tony: Jack just made that up.
[3479.39] Curry: We have negative numbers where women refuse to admit that's what happened.
[3485.39] Tony: That's probably more likely what's going to happen.
[3489.39] Jack: They just got to guess a random number.
[3492.39] Curry: We made up a random number between zero and 100.
[3498.39] Tony: Greg's going to actually send it out to you so if you email the show...
[3503.39] Jack: Anyway, you weren't here last week Andy, but you're Northern so I live next door to a guy called Ash.
[3513.39] Jack: One does one. It's done.
[3517.39] Curry: We didn't have much time to come up with a question, so we came up with a guess the number.
[3524.39] Curry: Next week we'll have a question. Tony's going to think of one. You've got a week, Tony.
[3527.39] Jack: Numskull got it first.
[3530.39] Jack: Yeah, Numskull got it first.
[3533.39] Tony: Oh, I do apologise. Sorry, Mundo.
[3536.39] Tony: I had no idea.
[3538.39] Tony: Where was Numskull?
[3541.39] Tony: Sorry, Numskull.
[3543.39] Tony: Mundo, I'm sorry, you did say naught earlier, so...
[3548.39] Tony: See, I'm sorry, Numskull.
[3551.39] Tony: Numskull, if you give your details, you can PM me if you like and I'll get Greg to send you on a digipack.
[3561.39] Tony: Thanks for everyone for putting a low number. Cheers.
[3568.39] NJ: And thank you Greg at MenisRC.
[3570.39] NJ: Yes, thank you very much, Greg.
[3573.39] Jack: What a legend. Just randomly messages just before the show and was like, do you want to give some stuff away?
[3578.39] Jack: So please buy some. I was wearing a Menis hat the other day. I've got it here somewhere.
[3584.39] Jack: I want one of those masks.
[3586.39] Tony: I've got one.
[3588.39] Tony: Oh, God, there goes my beer cans. I haven't been drinking in here.
[3592.39] Jack: No.
[3594.39] Tony: I put mine over my stream.
[3598.39] AndyRC: You look like a rapper, Tony.
[3601.39] Curry: It actually looks like a Christmas elf now. Those are like the ears.
[3606.39] Tony: Christmas wilt.
[3608.39] AndyRC: I'll take that.
[3610.39] AndyRC: Jack looks like...
[3613.39] AndyRC: Move on, move on.
[3615.39] AndyRC: Not yet. Not yet.
[3618.39] AndyRC: Sexual predator.
[3619.39] AndyRC: Yes.
[3620.39] Curry: Oh, there we go.
[3621.39] Curry: I was just going to go with emo, Jack. I was much kinder.
[3624.39] AndyRC: Sorry, Mundo.
[3625.39] AndyRC: It is quite emo, isn't it?
[3628.39] Jack: No, no.
[3629.39] Jack: You're my little emo bunny.
[3631.39] AndyRC: Does Mundo, if he feels any better, does Mundo have the HD system because that's all it works with?
[3637.39] AndyRC: The Digi Pack.
[3639.39] AndyRC: So if you don't have the HD system.
[3642.39] Jack: It's absolutely no good.
[3644.39] Curry: It's the same way.
[3646.39] Curry: Does it work with the first one?
[3648.39] AndyRC: As is the HD system anyways.
[3651.39] AndyRC: Daniel, carry on.
[3652.39] Jack: So next week's number is how many partners?
[3657.39] Jack: And it will be...
[3664.39] Jack: No, I reckon you spent way too much.
[3667.39] NJ: Anyway, we must be approaching the hour about now.
[3670.39] NJ: Oh, yes. Six minutes passed.
[3674.39] Jack: All right. Thank you. You've been listening to Let's Drone Out.
[3677.39] Jack: We've been joined by the person who keeps the show running.
[3680.39] Jack: Andrew Snatchfrank.
[3681.39] Jack: Bye.
[3684.39] Jack: My little vegan sausage.
[3686.39] Tony: Bonjour.
[3691.39] AndyRC: Even asking it the way you say it.
[3693.39] AndyRC: That's 10.
[3694.39] AndyRC: It's one word and it's saying it's wrong.
[3696.39] AndyRC: The French guest is that they laughed at the wrong...
[3700.39] Tony: Look, it's a tribute to Delboy.
[3705.39] Tony: That's all I'm saying.
[3707.39] Tony: If you don't know what Delboy is, then I'm not your friend.
[3711.39] Jack: The absolute best at judging character and picking out the criminals,
[3717.39] Jack: Curry Kitten. Goodbye.
[3720.39] Jack: I was well impressed, by the way.
[3722.39] Jack: Round of applause, everyone.
[3723.39] Jack: Thank you.
[3724.39] Curry: No one else has what you're talking about, but thanks.
[3726.39] Jack: Yeah, on a Wednesday.
[3727.39] Jack: We have to catch up on our Twitch streams.
[3729.39] Jack: Yeah, we play crime solving video games on Twitch.
[3736.39] Jack: Flow.
[3738.39] Jack: We've been joined by Flow.
[3741.39] Jack: Flow Ren.
[3743.39] Jack: Flora.
[3745.39] Jack: Flora.
[3747.39] Tony: That was nearly as good as my bonjour.
[3751.39] Jack: And Blue Owl.
[3753.39] Tony: Bye.
[3755.39] Jack: The Sexiest Man Alive.
[3758.39] NJ: Good evening.
[3759.39] NJ: I don't claim it.
[3761.39] Jack: Thank you.
[3763.39] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3766.39] Jack: Or, as I like to call him, Sheldon Friendstealer.
[3772.39] Jack: And...
[3773.39] (squeaky voices): Flight controller friends.
[3775.39] (squeaky voices): Txt-N.
[3777.39] (squeaky voices): Txt-N.
[3779.39] (squeaky voices): Txt-N.
[3781.39] (squeaky voices): What have this outro become?
[3784.39] Jack: And Andy...
[3786.39] Jack: My little emo bunny Andy R.C.
[3789.39] AndyRC: What was that, Andy R.C.
[3791.39] AndyRC: You're up north.
[3792.39] Jack: What was that about?
[3794.39] Jack: Nice.
[3795.39] Jack: He brought me it back.
[3796.39] Jack: Apparently, it's a whole delicacy if you had it before.
[3798.39] AndyRC: What?
[3799.39] AndyRC: What?
[3800.39] AndyRC: American...
[3801.39] AndyRC: What?
[3802.39] AndyRC: It's apparently northern.
[3803.39] AndyRC: Never heard of it.
[3804.39] Curry: Painless had never heard of it, Eddie.
[3806.39] Curry: Yeah, look.
[3807.39] Jack: Normal for whole.
[3809.39] Jack: What is it?
[3810.39] Jack: Was it salt or something?
[3811.39] Jack: Yeah, you put it on.
[3812.39] Jack: It's salt.
[3814.39] Jack: Tomato powder.
[3815.39] Jack: Flavoring a heart, sir.
[3816.39] Jack: I'd probably eat MSG.
[3818.39] Jack: Onion powder and garlic powder.
[3821.39] Jack: We've not heard of it.
[3823.39] Curry: But they just mean salt over there.
[3826.39] Jack: Yeah.
[3827.39] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly, and I must exit this show before Frank strangles me.
[3832.39] Jack: Hopefully, we'll be doing a bonus podcast, and I've got a little treat for you guys.
[3838.39] Jack: Catch us over on the Patreon.
[3839.39] Jack: We'd like to thank all our Patreons, and everyone who helped support the show, and everyone who
[3843.39] Jack: donate, and zero FPV, I miss you.
[3846.39] Jack: Thank you, goodnight.
[3847.39] (squeaky voices): Bye.
[3848.39] (squeaky voices): Bye.
[3849.39] (squeaky voices): Telemetry lost.