=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 280 ===
Title: LDO 280 - Soar Points
Recorded: 2021-01-07
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna
Guest(s): Andrew Newton
Total audience: 1,734
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SupANmFXY0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/962476987-letsdroneout-ldo-280-soar-points.mp3)
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[0.0] Curry: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, the original and best drone theme podcast.
[5.0] Curry: We record the show live on the Thursday night on youtube.com forward slash Let's Drone Out
[10.0] Curry: and our lovely patrons help with the editing costs.
[12.0] (Patrons): These are Wacky Wes, Mikey Dread, Art Faulkner, Carlos Campos.
[19.0] (Patrons): Thank you.
[20.0] Jack: Hello and welcome back to another wonderful episode of Let's Drone Out.
[56.45] Jack: Tonight, we have a traitor among us.
[60.45] Jack: He has now joined the drone side.
[64.45] Jack: Hello, Mr. Andrew Newton, our guest tonight.
[66.45] Andrew Newton: Good morning. Good morning. Good evening, whatever.
[69.45] Jack: I don't know. It's morning for you, my friend.
[72.45] Jack: We've got our Lord of Master, the Dark Lord himself, Andrew slash Frank.
[76.45] Frank: Good evening.
[78.45] Jack: Dressed all in black is my little vegan sausage, Tony.
[82.45] Jack: For sure.
[83.45] Jack: For sure.
[84.45] Jack: Who is not drinking tonight, editor.
[86.45] Jack: So it should be an easy load for you.
[91.45] Jack: We've got the wonderful and beautiful blue owl.
[93.45] BlueOwl: Hi, that's me.
[96.45] Jack: And how is daddy? Is he getting better?
[100.45] Jack: Everyone's favorite. Hello.
[103.45] Jack: How's the knee?
[105.45] Curry: Still sore, but getting better day by day.
[108.45] Jack: I thoroughly enjoyed Curricut Wednesday yesterday.
[111.45] Jack: Thank you so much.
[112.45] Jack: It's all right.
[113.45] Curry: I think we're both left in a slight state of confusion.
[116.45] Curry: What was going on?
[117.45] Curry: It was fun anyway.
[118.45] Jack: Video game should be called confusion, not contradiction.
[123.45] Jack: Yeah.
[124.45] Jack: Tony Winterblue in chat asks, what's wrong with Tony?
[128.45] Jack: Why aren't you drinking?
[131.45] Tony: I'm making sure I'm not an alcoholic by not drinking for four days, five days.
[137.45] Tony: I'm not sure that's how that works.
[139.45] Curry: I don't know if that sounds right.
[141.45] BlueOwl: I mean, that would make sense for five days.
[152.45] Tony: I need some sleep.
[153.45] Tony: I've been having broken sleep the last three nights.
[156.45] Tony: So I'm hoping tonight I'll sleep.
[159.45] Tony: And if I don't, then getting drunk tomorrow night will make me sleep.
[165.45] BlueOwl: Cheers.
[166.45] BlueOwl: That doesn't sound alcoholic.
[168.45] Tony: I'm not at all.
[171.45] Tony: Look, if you're an alcoholic, you can't stop drinking.
[174.45] Tony: I've proved to myself that I could stop for five days.
[177.45] Tony: So I'm not one.
[178.45] Tony: Stop whatever I want.
[180.45] Jack: Anyway, hello, Happy New Year.
[185.45] Jack: If anyone was with us on the New Year stream, Andrew Newton,
[190.45] Jack: that's you were unfortunately for you.
[192.45] Jack: I'm ever so sorry.
[195.45] Jack: But anyone who's really sort of invested, no,
[200.45] Jack: Frank still hasn't paid for the website yet.
[205.45] Frank: We're still getting in front of me and I just haven't done it.
[208.45] Jack: Yeah, no worries.
[210.45] Jack: But thank you.
[212.45] Jack: We could pay for it if we need to.
[218.45] Jack: If you're wondering why the website isn't working or ever updating,
[223.45] Jack: because we haven't paid it for a very long time.
[226.45] Jack: So anyway, Andrew Newton, my dear friend,
[230.45] Jack: I chatted to you once on a solo interview.
[233.45] Jack: I kind of like warmed you up to this.
[237.45] Jack: And I hope you're not too traumatized from it.
[245.45] Frank: Or disappointed.
[248.45] Andrew Newton: I remember years and years ago when you first asked me to come on.
[252.45] Andrew Newton: And I thought I had a bit of a look at the people you'd spoken to.
[256.45] Andrew Newton: And it was people, you know,
[259.45] Andrew Newton: it was significant people who knew what they were talking about.
[262.45] Andrew Newton: And I thought, what the hell does he want me on?
[264.45] Andrew Newton: I can't compete with these people.
[266.45] Andrew Newton: Like it was, who was it?
[269.45] Andrew Newton: Final Glide and Alex Greve, I think.
[273.45] Andrew Newton: You know, all those important people.
[276.45] Andrew Newton: And so I have to say, I avoided you for quite a while.
[281.45] Andrew Newton: But you got me in there.
[283.45] Jack: Yeah.
[284.45] Jack: Like the thing is, it's like yours and Curry Kitten's,
[289.45] Jack: for me personally, anyway, your content is very like,
[292.45] Jack: you know, there is a bit of a wing there.
[295.45] Jack: And, you know, you're not like, you know, just drones and eyeliner.
[300.45] Jack: So for me, like, that was really, and like, I learn a lot from you guys.
[305.45] Jack: I know, like, I know you don't feel like, you know,
[308.45] Jack: hardcore technical or anything, but the whole like,
[311.45] Jack: don't pick flight controller in it, see if it flies on its own first.
[315.45] Jack: And, you know, everything's a COG.
[318.45] Jack: That one was for you, Frank.
[321.45] Jack: And yeah, I just, I don't know, I just enjoyed your content, you know.
[327.45] Jack: Like, it doesn't, you know, shouldn't compare yourself to other people.
[331.45] Jack: I mean, we let Tony on this podcast.
[336.45] Curry: The normal reaction instead of thinking I'm not good enough to be in this company.
[340.45] Curry: Most people think, well, how did they get those people on?
[342.45] Curry: They know what they're talking about.
[345.45] Curry: It'd be interesting because I saw you,
[347.45] Curry: you're what you did with Jack and Jack was sort of taking notes
[351.45] Curry: about how to set up his wing.
[354.45] Curry: And normally what, this is common state of occurrence,
[357.45] Curry: because we all log onto Jack's computer and we sort out his sound issues
[361.45] Curry: and at the end of the day, we'll just unplug them and plug them in differently.
[364.45] Curry: So, Jack, have you taken on that advice
[366.45] Curry: and have you set up your wing properly and has it flown yet?
[369.45] Jack: I'd let someone else fly it so much so.
[373.45] Jack: Yeah, it was very good.
[375.45] Jack: My friend, I got his friend, Tom, who helped build my desk.
[378.45] Jack: And yeah, it's flown.
[382.45] Jack: He's a bit worried about that.
[384.45] Jack: And he's chipped the front end of my winglet off,
[388.45] Jack: which sucks a little bit.
[390.45] Jack: But yep, it does fly.
[392.45] Jack: And I need to buy a Maytec board to stick in the,
[402.45] Jack: what is it called?
[405.45] Jack: I don't know, the S800, I think,
[408.45] Jack: or whatever I had, S600, S800, I think.
[412.45] Jack: And swap the flight controls over,
[415.45] Jack: because obviously I've got the flight desk explorer
[418.45] Jack: and I tried to use like a NAS,
[424.45] Jack: no, SPF F3 board in that,
[427.45] Jack: and it's just too far behind.
[429.45] Jack: And then the OSD dropped off into it.
[432.45] Andrew Newton: I don't use anything but the Maytec wing board.
[434.45] Andrew Newton: So these days, it just makes life so much easier.
[437.45] Andrew Newton: The documentation is so good on the website
[439.45] Andrew Newton: that other companies should take a leaf out of their book, I think.
[444.45] Jack: Yeah, basically that's all that's kind of happened to me,
[448.45] Jack: is that I just couldn't, yeah, could not get that little,
[452.45] Jack: I was trying to build that sort of thing on a budget
[454.45] Jack: so that if it flew off on me, I wouldn't be too upset.
[459.45] Jack: But sooner or later, I need to buy one at some point,
[466.45] Jack: because let's face it, like, you know,
[470.45] Jack: Frank will tell you, the EU and sort of shipping, trading stuff.
[476.45] Jack: Do you want to talk about that, Frank?
[478.45] Jack: No.
[480.45] Tony: Frank doesn't want to talk about anything for a while.
[485.45] Frank: He looks great, don't you?
[487.45] Frank: I've had that question multiple times this week at work,
[490.45] Frank: of how do we ship things to the EU now?
[496.45] Curry: Don't. Frank's on strike.
[498.45] Curry: I suggested we talk about the new rules,
[500.45] Curry: but he said he hasn't read them,
[501.45] Curry: and none of us can be bothered to read them.
[502.45] Curry: We rely on Frank to do this,
[504.45] Curry: and then put it in idiot-proof language for the rest of us.
[507.45] Frank: I've got a lot of reading to do of various rules.
[513.45] Curry: I would just like to say to Andrew that I am most impressed and jealous,
[520.45] Curry: because I have this plane that I call my, it's sort of my nemesis,
[525.45] Curry: which is the FX-79 Buffalo Wing.
[528.45] Curry: It's a long-time building,
[530.45] Curry: and I got my friend to fly it while I was trying to take off on the site,
[533.45] Curry: and it did this graceful curve, smashed into the ground, and it exploded.
[537.45] Curry: So we had to rebuild it, do it all again,
[540.45] Curry: and then my friend threw it in such a dodgy way,
[543.45] Curry: it basically cartwheeled and broke,
[545.45] Curry: and it wasn't until the fourth launch we actually got this thing flying,
[549.45] Curry: and then we spent a while, and it was flying really smoothly.
[552.45] Curry: We were tuning the autopilot, got it all sorted.
[555.45] Curry: I landed it, and like, let's get up, we'll do some chase things,
[558.45] Curry: and basically the Fly Dream autopilot fried,
[563.45] Curry: and I powered it on, and all the servers just twitched,
[568.45] Curry: and blew up.
[570.45] Curry: Andrew's video is like, he builds it, he throws it, and it flies,
[574.45] Curry: which is most disturbing, but also...
[576.45] Andrew Newton: Well, I didn't have an autopilot on it,
[578.45] Andrew Newton: that's probably the reason why I flew so well.
[581.45] Andrew Newton: I mean, it's got so much wingier air, it'll just fly by itself, basically.
[586.45] Andrew Newton: I've taken that one out slope soaring,
[588.45] Andrew Newton: and it's just magnificent in the air, it just flies itself.
[592.45] Curry: I think the problem was that every time someone threw it for me...
[596.45] Curry: I was like, I'll get someone else to throw it,
[598.45] Curry: because it hasn't got much of a grip, has it?
[601.45] Curry: No, it is big and awkward, it's a flat thing.
[604.45] Curry: And whenever they threw it, they thought, I'll throw it upwards,
[607.45] Curry: and it's big and heavy, so it instantly goes into stall mode
[610.45] Curry: and goes down again.
[611.45] Curry: If you sort of throw it downwards,
[613.45] Curry: then it gathers speed and it gets going.
[616.45] Curry: We eventually sort of discovered that,
[617.45] Curry: but that was like after throwing it into the ground full-time.
[621.45] Curry: We got there in the end.
[624.45] Curry: It's still on my wall, it's probably like,
[626.45] Curry: I will get to it eventually as my project.
[629.45] Curry: It's a big challenge, isn't it?
[631.45] Curry: It is.
[632.45] Tony: Have you flown that yellow thing you're making over Christmas?
[636.45] Jack: No, he's talking about... I built a mini-Gimme.
[640.45] Jack: That's it.
[641.45] Jack: I hope you're very proud of me.
[645.45] Jack: I've got to figure out the whole dihedral thing,
[647.45] Jack: but no, I've almost wired it up.
[650.45] Jack: I've got to tie the elevons together.
[653.45] Jack: And then solder up.
[656.45] Jack: I've got less than ideal.
[658.45] Jack: You know those really tiny Free Sky receivers that are like DA
[662.45] Jack: and have got like one side positive, the other side's negative,
[666.45] Jack: and then you've got like eight channels or six on the bottom.
[670.45] Jack: I've got to try and make a little breakout for that
[673.45] Jack: on a bit of perf board or something.
[677.45] Jack: You know, I should really get into buying those new fancy pants.
[683.45] Jack: Painless sending to me.
[685.45] Jack: Radio star.
[689.45] Andrew Newton: 16, D16 or something like that, is it?
[692.45] Jack: Yeah, something like that.
[694.45] Jack: And it's because I'm on the...
[697.45] Jack: Yeah, I've got like the new Tarana, so it's compatible.
[701.45] Jack: And I've got...
[702.45] Jack: And I went through the wizard,
[705.45] Jack: and I was shocked that there's nothing for...
[709.45] Jack: What is it? No.
[712.45] Jack: Differential thrust.
[715.45] Jack: I was like, oh my God, I've got to set that up myself.
[718.45] Andrew Newton: You've got to watch one of my videos.
[720.45] Jack: I know.
[721.45] Jack: And I'm going to have to sit there and rock back and forth
[725.45] Jack: and get programming.
[728.45] Andrew Newton: It's funny, but I actually really enjoy the programming part of it
[731.45] Andrew Newton: for some reason.
[732.45] Andrew Newton: It's just something that I enjoy.
[736.45] Jack: I should, yeah.
[737.45] Jack: I'm not too bad with it.
[739.45] Jack: I remember when I first done it,
[740.45] Jack: and I'd never done anything like it before.
[744.45] Jack: I really struggled.
[747.45] Jack: But yeah, it's not too bad.
[749.45] Jack: What is Tony doing?
[751.45] Tony: People are saying that I'm drinking slightly in the chat
[754.45] Tony: every time I turn my camera off.
[756.45] Tony: It's not true.
[758.45] Tony: I'm not chugging whiskey.
[760.45] Curry: No.
[761.45] Curry: As a partial functioning alcoholic,
[763.45] Curry: it's just vodka in that bottle.
[767.45] Curry: A methylated spirit, maybe.
[771.45] Jack: I don't like it when you go into B&Q and ask if they got a cold one.
[776.45] Curry: So we should ask the normal question to Andrew
[779.45] Curry: about how did you get into RC flying,
[782.45] Curry: and especially FPV.
[784.45] Andrew Newton: How long have you been in it?
[787.45] Andrew Newton: My first exposure to RC was back in high school,
[790.45] Andrew Newton: way back in 75 or something like that.
[794.45] Andrew Newton: I had a friend who was into RC.
[796.45] Andrew Newton: He was the ultimate geek nerd with no social skills,
[799.45] Andrew Newton: but brilliant with technology.
[804.45] Andrew Newton: He had RC gear.
[806.45] Andrew Newton: I was into sailing,
[807.45] Andrew Newton: so we decided to try and make a radio-controlled land yacht,
[810.45] Andrew Newton: like a little sail on a little cart
[815.45] Andrew Newton: that was radio-controlled.
[817.45] Andrew Newton: That went reasonably well.
[819.45] Andrew Newton: I sort of forgot about it until many years later.
[823.45] Andrew Newton: Then I had another go at making a land yacht,
[828.45] Andrew Newton: maybe 10 years ago, I suppose.
[835.45] Andrew Newton: Then I was into kite aerial photography.
[844.45] Andrew Newton: Flying cameras for big kites, basically.
[848.45] Andrew Newton: I made up a pan and tilt gimbal that was radio-controlled
[851.45] Andrew Newton: for the camera to hang from the kite.
[854.45] Andrew Newton: Then I saw one of my kite aerial photography contacts
[859.45] Andrew Newton: started following Ed O'Byrne or experimental airlines,
[865.45] Andrew Newton: and he was making really nice planes
[870.45] Andrew Newton: just by folding foam board.
[872.45] Andrew Newton: This was almost pre-flight test, I think,
[875.45] Andrew Newton: but maybe around the same time.
[877.45] Andrew Newton: It just fascinated me that you could make these
[879.45] Andrew Newton: really nice air foils out of foam board.
[881.45] Andrew Newton: I thought, I'll give that a go.
[885.45] Andrew Newton: Then I bought some basic RC gear
[888.45] Andrew Newton: and tried to fly these homemade foam board contraptions.
[897.45] Andrew Newton: The puck just bit me then,
[898.45] Andrew Newton: and I've been flying ever since.
[901.45] Andrew Newton: FPV, I just bought some basic FPV gear
[906.45] Andrew Newton: and threw it on a plane.
[908.45] Andrew Newton: Once I could fly properly,
[910.45] Andrew Newton: and I had a plane that was stable enough
[911.45] Andrew Newton: that I didn't have to concentrate too much on flying it.
[914.45] Andrew Newton: I thought, okay, I can give this FPV a fly.
[918.45] Andrew Newton: Some basic FPV gear mounted it on the plane.
[924.45] Andrew Newton: I can remember how terrified I was
[927.45] Andrew Newton: the first time I flew it up
[929.45] Andrew Newton: and managed to land it.
[933.45] Andrew Newton: I just thought it was fantastic.
[935.45] Andrew Newton: I then wanted to see how far I could go
[937.45] Andrew Newton: with just really cheap basic 5.8 gigahertz gear.
[942.45] Andrew Newton: I went down the beach,
[943.45] Andrew Newton: and we've got these nice big long beaches
[946.45] Andrew Newton: that are virtually deserted around here
[948.45] Andrew Newton: because there are better beaches.
[950.45] Curry: Because of all the sharks and the box killifers.
[953.45] Curry: Things trying to kill you.
[955.45] Curry: We've only had eight deaths this year from sharks.
[958.45] Curry: That's not too bad.
[959.45] Curry: If you put it in the context with coronavirus,
[961.45] Curry: it's pretty good, isn't it?
[962.45] Curry: Exactly, yes.
[967.45] Andrew Newton: I went down the beach,
[969.45] Andrew Newton: and there's a beach that's about five kilometres
[972.45] Andrew Newton: of deserted beach that I can fly along
[976.45] Andrew Newton: and just flew.
[979.45] Andrew Newton: This is before flight control boards
[981.45] Andrew Newton: or anything like that were common
[983.45] Andrew Newton: or that I knew about them.
[985.45] Andrew Newton: I just decided to fly down the beach
[988.45] Andrew Newton: until I lost control of it
[990.45] Andrew Newton: and I knew I'd be able to walk along and pick it up.
[993.45] Andrew Newton: I think I made it about 800 metres down the beach
[996.45] Andrew Newton: before I lost video and RC control at the same time.
[1002.45] Andrew Newton: That was sort of how I got into it, really.
[1005.45] Andrew Newton: FPV isn't the major part of my flying.
[1008.45] Andrew Newton: It's interesting.
[1009.45] Andrew Newton: I like it, but I enjoy taking the goggles off
[1013.45] Andrew Newton: and actually watching the plane as well.
[1018.45] BlueOwl: And making videos, right?
[1019.45] Andrew Newton: And making videos, I do.
[1021.45] Andrew Newton: I sometimes say my hobby is actually making videos
[1024.45] Andrew Newton: rather than flying planes or anything like that
[1026.45] Andrew Newton: because that's the part of it that I like.
[1029.45] Andrew Newton: I think if you don't like video editing
[1031.45] Andrew Newton: and shooting video and things like that,
[1033.45] Andrew Newton: you're going to struggle to maintain your channel.
[1035.45] Andrew Newton: It's something that I really enjoy.
[1038.45] Andrew Newton: It's been part of my job all my life too
[1041.45] Andrew Newton: because I'm a medical photographer,
[1043.45] Andrew Newton: so part of my work was video editing
[1046.45] Andrew Newton: and image editing and things like that as well.
[1049.45] Andrew Newton: My father was a photographer as well,
[1051.45] Andrew Newton: so it's just in the blood, really.
[1055.45] Jack: Medical photographer.
[1056.45] Curry: It sounds like when someone falls down,
[1059.45] Curry: you'll be like, don't work that blood away yet.
[1061.45] Curry: Let me just get that for you.
[1063.45] Andrew Newton: Let me get a ruler and a camera.
[1066.45] Andrew Newton: I worked in an eye hospital,
[1068.45] Andrew Newton: the Royal Victorian Eye and Ear Hospital,
[1070.45] Andrew Newton: so I was doing a bit similar to a radiographer,
[1075.45] Andrew Newton: but we're not trained with x-rays or anything like that.
[1078.45] Andrew Newton: We take care of all the photographic tests, I guess.
[1083.45] Andrew Newton: And in an eye hospital,
[1085.45] Andrew Newton: there are lots and lots of photographic-based tests,
[1088.45] Andrew Newton: so I spent my life getting people to put their head
[1093.45] Andrew Newton: on the camera and me photographing retinas and irises.
[1097.45] Jack: It doesn't work.
[1098.45] Jack: I never understood my...
[1100.45] Jack: Very clever optics.
[1101.45] Jack: Yeah, like getting a picture of a reflection, I think, is it?
[1105.45] Andrew Newton: Not really, no.
[1107.45] Andrew Newton: Oh, well, there are lots of different clever scanning laser machines,
[1112.45] Andrew Newton: but most of my work was purely photographic
[1115.45] Andrew Newton: because they put dilating drops in your eyes,
[1120.45] Andrew Newton: your pupils will go nice and big,
[1122.45] Andrew Newton: and then it's basically clear right back to the inside back surface of the eye,
[1126.45] Andrew Newton: back to the retina.
[1127.45] Andrew Newton: And I'd be photographing retinas
[1130.45] Andrew Newton: while the doctor was injecting a fluorescent drug into the patient's arm,
[1134.45] Andrew Newton: and I'd photograph the dye coming through filling up blood vessels.
[1138.45] Andrew Newton: Right.
[1140.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[1141.45] Andrew Newton: It's interesting because the dye they inject turns you bright yellow
[1146.45] Andrew Newton: and your urine is bright green for the rest of the day
[1149.45] Andrew Newton: and a certain amount of people want to throw up
[1152.45] Andrew Newton: when they have the injection as well, so that was my life for me.
[1155.45] Andrew Newton: Thirty years, yeah.
[1157.45] Andrew Newton: But we also did all the PR photography,
[1160.45] Andrew Newton: you know, creating educational materials like posters and...
[1165.45] Andrew Newton: Well, back when I started, we were doing photographic slides
[1169.45] Andrew Newton: for lectures and things like that.
[1172.45] Jack: It's only the only one who knows what the slide is.
[1177.45] Tony: I know what the dye stuff is all about
[1180.45] Tony: because me and my best friend were nightclubbing.
[1183.45] Tony: It was a few years back and he got a fag,
[1187.45] Tony: well, a fag straight in the eye, you know, a cigarette straight in the eye.
[1192.45] Tony: Bruce, yeah, and it literally melted his eyeball.
[1195.45] Tony: It was disgusting.
[1196.45] Tony: And we went to the hospital and they'd done that
[1199.45] Tony: and then took photos of it,
[1200.45] Tony: but it literally healed within a couple of days.
[1203.45] Tony: It was amazing.
[1204.45] Andrew Newton: It looked disgusting.
[1206.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah, that fluorescein dye, it's sort of green and yellow,
[1211.45] Andrew Newton: if you had gone back to the nightclub and danced under the black light,
[1215.45] Andrew Newton: it would have glowed bright green.
[1218.45] Andrew Newton: Oh, my word.
[1221.45] Jack: I had a buddy who got exhaust paste in his eye
[1224.45] Jack: and it gave him, like, chemical conjunctivitis
[1227.45] Jack: and we had water bottles
[1230.45] Jack: and I was rinsing his eye and everything and we got there
[1234.45] Jack: and Doctor asked how many liters of...
[1237.45] Jack: like, how much water did you rinse it with?
[1239.45] Jack: And I was like...
[1241.45] Jack: We both had two litre bottles, probably about a litre and a half.
[1245.45] Jack: Like, what's left?
[1246.45] Jack: And he's like, was it sterile?
[1248.45] Jack: And we were like, no, but itch.
[1251.45] Jack: And then when he walked out, my buddy was like,
[1254.45] Jack: well, you could have told him it was strawberry flavoured.
[1261.45] Jack: Mine was lemon and here's the strawberry.
[1265.45] Jack: Yeah, sorry.
[1267.45] Jack: But, yeah, he just came in some cold and eye drops
[1270.45] Jack: and he was good.
[1273.45] Jack: Mr Shady in the chat...
[1275.45] Frank: Sorry.
[1276.45] Frank: I was just going to say, Mr Shady in the chat was saying,
[1279.45] Frank: line of sight flying could be more fun than SUV,
[1282.45] Frank: especially in windy conditions,
[1284.45] Frank: as long as you don't just fly around in circles.
[1287.45] Frank: I think definitely sloped soaring as well.
[1289.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah, I do a lot of sloped soaring.
[1292.45] Andrew Newton: That's my main passion, I think.
[1295.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[1296.45] Andrew Newton: And that came about because when I first started to fly,
[1299.45] Andrew Newton: we were in a reasonably windy place.
[1301.45] Andrew Newton: We never get really calm days here.
[1304.45] Andrew Newton: It's always at least sort of 10, 15 knots worth of wind.
[1307.45] Andrew Newton: So I was struggling trying to fly,
[1311.45] Andrew Newton: trying to fly on the flat ground in the wind.
[1315.45] Andrew Newton: And then I found out about sloped soaring.
[1317.45] Andrew Newton: So I went down the beach and realised
[1319.45] Andrew Newton: that we have all these beautiful dunes
[1321.45] Andrew Newton: that there are hand gliders taking off from.
[1323.45] Andrew Newton: So I thought those places must be good for sloped soaring.
[1325.45] Andrew Newton: So yeah, started sloped soaring.
[1328.45] Andrew Newton: And the first time I threw a plane off the cliff
[1331.45] Andrew Newton: and it stayed up there, it's just like magic, really.
[1335.45] Andrew Newton: It's incredible.
[1337.45] Andrew Newton: And the batteries don't matter anymore.
[1339.45] Andrew Newton: You can run the thing all day on a tiny battery
[1342.45] Andrew Newton: and don't have to worry about ESCs and motors
[1344.45] Andrew Newton: and that sort of stuff.
[1346.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah, much, much, much better.
[1349.45] Jack: Like, oh, no, like what I wouldn't give.
[1352.45] Jack: Because at the moment, for a while,
[1354.45] Jack: until Curry Kitten sorted me out,
[1356.45] Jack: I'd been learning to fly line of sight
[1359.45] Jack: with the flight test tiny trainer.
[1362.45] Jack: She's a bit, she's had a bit of hard life.
[1366.45] Jack: Yeah, you'll destroy your first few planes.
[1370.45] Jack: Yeah, the first battery,
[1373.45] Jack: like some of my batteries would like block up the airflow.
[1377.45] Jack: And I was using those like 12 amp BL Heli E-max.
[1381.45] Jack: And if you were really going for it after a while,
[1385.45] Jack: it just reboots the half way.
[1392.45] Jack: Like no control whatsoever.
[1395.45] Jack: How are you getting on with the Pro, the AR Wing Pro?
[1403.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah, I decided I don't like it very much the other day.
[1410.45] Andrew Newton: I mean, it's good.
[1412.45] Andrew Newton: It's great the way it's laid out
[1415.45] Andrew Newton: with all the extra space for mounting all the FPV gear.
[1419.45] Andrew Newton: But it's very, very rocky.
[1421.45] Andrew Newton: It's quite unstable.
[1423.45] Andrew Newton: Maybe it takes more tuning time than I've spent on it.
[1428.45] Andrew Newton: But I really prefer this one, the C1 Chaser.
[1435.45] Andrew Newton: That's one of the smoothest and most efficient wings around, I think.
[1439.45] Andrew Newton: And I prefer flying this to the AR Wing Pro.
[1444.45] Andrew Newton: And even the AR Wing itself, the original,
[1447.45] Andrew Newton: it's a lot less fuss, easier and easier,
[1451.45] Andrew Newton: or less hassle to fly, I think.
[1458.45] Andrew Newton: I think the Pro could be good.
[1461.45] Andrew Newton: It serves a purpose.
[1463.45] Andrew Newton: It's more of a long range.
[1466.45] Andrew Newton: You can load it up with more gear,
[1468.45] Andrew Newton: more places to put gear.
[1470.45] Andrew Newton: But it just rock and rolls a bit too much
[1473.45] Andrew Newton: for my liking at the moment.
[1475.45] Andrew Newton: So anyway, I've put mine away for the moment.
[1478.45] Andrew Newton: I'll get back to it eventually and spend some more time with it.
[1483.45] Andrew Newton: And it kind of pains me to say that
[1485.45] Andrew Newton: your mate Lee Painless had something to do with the design of that.
[1489.45] Andrew Newton: And I'm in awe of that guy.
[1491.45] Andrew Newton: He's one of my gurus.
[1492.45] Andrew Newton: I watch his videos before I do mine.
[1496.45] Jack: I hope you can't text him if he likes you.
[1506.45] Andrew Newton: It's a great wing, great wing.
[1509.45] Frank: Are you flying just kind of straight pass-through?
[1513.45] Frank: Have you got a flight controller in there?
[1516.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[1517.45] Andrew Newton: The initial tests were always as usual as you should,
[1520.45] Andrew Newton: without a flight controller,
[1522.45] Andrew Newton: just to see how it actually flies.
[1525.45] Andrew Newton: And yes, I have put a flight controller in it recently.
[1529.45] Andrew Newton: I have to admit, I haven't done any decent tuning or anything like that.
[1535.45] Andrew Newton: Mark Hoffman over on the iNav fixed wing group
[1538.45] Andrew Newton: has done an extensive amount of tuning.
[1540.45] Andrew Newton: So I just have to watch what he's done
[1543.45] Andrew Newton: and I'm sure it will improve the performance out of sight.
[1547.45] Andrew Newton: At this stage, I've put it aside because I've got other things to get on with,
[1552.45] Andrew Newton: like this monstrosity.
[1554.45] Frank: Ooh.
[1555.45] Curry: Partly man painting and weird.
[1557.45] Curry: Yeah, very weird.
[1558.45] Curry: Oh, yeah.
[1559.45] Curry: I think I saw a post.
[1560.45] Curry: Was it on Instagram where you're saying,
[1562.45] Curry: I might pop up on YouTube about you feeling a little bit intimidated
[1565.45] Curry: by all the quite large props.
[1567.45] Curry: Exactly.
[1568.45] Curry: I don't know.
[1569.45] Curry: I mean, nine-inch props.
[1570.45] Frank: It looks like Jack was flying one of his wing ground
[1574.45] Frank: and Tony was flying his ex-class
[1576.45] Frank: and they had an accident.
[1578.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[1579.45] Andrew Newton: But I haven't actually got it flying yet.
[1581.45] Andrew Newton: And it's come from a company called Fox Tech.
[1585.45] Andrew Newton: And I think they do a lot of industrial and agricultural multirotors,
[1590.45] Andrew Newton: big $20,000 machines with gimbals and spraying units
[1595.45] Andrew Newton: and that sort of stuff.
[1596.45] Andrew Newton: And this is their entry into the recreational market, I suppose.
[1603.45] Curry: See, I'm sure it'd be fine either as a quad or a plane.
[1607.45] Curry: It's the question of how well is it going to transition between the two
[1610.45] Curry: and how frightening is that going to be?
[1612.45] Curry: Yeah, that's right.
[1614.45] Andrew Newton: That's right.
[1615.45] Andrew Newton: Well, I say as a quad, it's meant to have 18 minutes.
[1619.45] Andrew Newton: It's meant to have 18-minute flight time
[1622.45] Andrew Newton: and as a wing 40-minute flight time.
[1625.45] Andrew Newton: So it's pretty decent flight time.
[1627.45] Andrew Newton: And it's all set up with RG Pilot
[1632.45] Andrew Newton: and it's got the long-range 2.4 RC.
[1636.45] Andrew Newton: So it's got at least a 10-kilometer range, apparently.
[1641.45] Andrew Newton: But it's so new and it relies on, you know, you have your phone.
[1646.45] Andrew Newton: It comes with a controller like the DJI controller.
[1649.45] Andrew Newton: You mount your phone on it, connect up the USB,
[1652.45] Andrew Newton: connect Bluetooth between the phone and the controller.
[1656.45] Andrew Newton: And just all of these things haven't been properly finalised yet.
[1661.45] Andrew Newton: So I think I'm...
[1662.45] Curry: What could possibly go wrong?
[1664.45] Andrew Newton: Well, I've had it for a week and I haven't been able to fire it up at all yet.
[1669.45] Andrew Newton: And I've got back to the company and they said,
[1672.45] Andrew Newton: I need an app.
[1674.45] Andrew Newton: So I'll say, where's the app?
[1676.45] Andrew Newton: Where do I download it from?
[1678.45] Andrew Newton: We'll send it to you.
[1680.45] Andrew Newton: So they've sent me this app, which is just like the DJI fly,
[1684.45] Andrew Newton: all those sorts of GPS drone sort of apps.
[1687.45] Andrew Newton: But what else?
[1689.45] Andrew Newton: Yes, then they've got this little four-minute tutorial video
[1693.45] Andrew Newton: is the only instructions they've released.
[1695.45] Andrew Newton: They don't have a manual or anything like that.
[1697.45] Andrew Newton: And this thing's based on RG Pilot,
[1700.45] Andrew Newton: which is not easy at all to pick up if you haven't looked at it before.
[1707.45] Andrew Newton: And I followed the little tutorial and I just couldn't get anything to work,
[1714.45] Andrew Newton: anything to connect.
[1716.45] Andrew Newton: And then they said, oh, no, you've got to connect it via Bluetooth.
[1719.45] Andrew Newton: So we'll edit the video and put that in.
[1723.45] Andrew Newton: So I finally worked out how to connect it via Bluetooth.
[1726.45] Andrew Newton: And now I'm at the stage where I can connect it via Bluetooth
[1731.45] Andrew Newton: and I can discover GPSes, discover satellites,
[1736.45] Andrew Newton: but it still thinks it's in China.
[1740.45] Andrew Newton: It hasn't translated to my own position in my backyard in Australia.
[1745.45] Andrew Newton: So anyway, we're getting there slowly.
[1749.45] Andrew Newton: Just yesterday they emailed me and said,
[1751.45] Andrew Newton: oh, would you mind just holding off for a few days?
[1753.45] Andrew Newton: We'll give you a few more instructions.
[1755.45] Andrew Newton: So we make sure you don't crash it because I think,
[1759.45] Andrew Newton: as far as I know, this is the only one they've sent out to the public.
[1764.45] Curry: I think that might be just the only one.
[1767.45] Curry: It doesn't sound like they've managed to get it flying themselves yet.
[1770.45] Andrew Newton: There is video of it flying, but yeah,
[1775.45] Andrew Newton: not ready for public release just yet, I don't think.
[1778.45] Andrew Newton: So that's why I'm a bit scared.
[1780.45] Andrew Newton: And also on the video, they explain the controls for mode two,
[1785.45] Andrew Newton: but what they're actually describing is mode one.
[1787.45] Andrew Newton: So they really haven't got that sort of stuff sorted out.
[1791.45] Andrew Newton: I can't fly mode one at all.
[1793.45] Andrew Newton: So I'm scared that once I get it in the air,
[1796.45] Andrew Newton: it's going to be a bit difficult to fly.
[1801.45] BlueOwl: That's weird.
[1802.45] BlueOwl: If you started with wings way back in the times,
[1805.45] BlueOwl: why are you on mode two?
[1807.45] BlueOwl: Normally, at least in Europe, people who start with wings,
[1811.45] BlueOwl: they play mode one.
[1814.45] Andrew Newton: In Australia, it's 50-50.
[1818.45] Andrew Newton: In Australia, it's probably 50-50.
[1820.45] Andrew Newton: I think in the US, they made two,
[1822.45] Andrew Newton: and in Japan, they made one or something like that.
[1825.45] Andrew Newton: Australia was originally mode one,
[1827.45] Andrew Newton: but I just thought, I kind of started by myself.
[1832.45] Andrew Newton: I didn't have any other reference when I first started.
[1834.45] Andrew Newton: So I just thought that mode two is more like flying a plane with a joystick.
[1838.45] Andrew Newton: So I thought, that makes sense to me.
[1841.45] Andrew Newton: I'll start with mode two.
[1843.45] Andrew Newton: And just coincidentally, the first transmitter that I got was mode two.
[1848.45] Andrew Newton: So that's what I am forevermore.
[1851.45] Jack: Yeah.
[1852.45] Jack: Don't mind Blue House.
[1853.45] Jack: She's just a little bit.
[1855.45] Jack: She's against mode one as well.
[1859.45] Jack: Yeah.
[1860.45] BlueOwl: See you off.
[1861.45] BlueOwl: Am I?
[1862.45] Jack: That's new.
[1864.45] Jack: We had to pick Andy off in order to get her on.
[1867.45] Jack: So you can do mode one.
[1870.45] Andrew Newton: So you guys made one or made two?
[1872.45] Andrew Newton: Two.
[1873.45] Andrew Newton: Two.
[1874.45] Andrew Newton: Two.
[1875.45] Jack: It looked like I'm a criminal.
[1878.45] BlueOwl: Oh, and I am against mode one, right?
[1883.45] Jack: So Blue House, you fly mode two, didn't you?
[1886.45] BlueOwl: Yeah.
[1887.45] BlueOwl: Yeah, I do.
[1888.45] BlueOwl: I started with quads.
[1889.45] BlueOwl: So there was nothing else I knew.
[1892.45] Jack: See?
[1893.45] Jack: She's not a wrong one.
[1895.45] Curry: It's only Andy.
[1897.45] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1898.45] Jack: You know, they're funny up there, the old chips by some baby's head and all that.
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[1930.33] Frank: Let's drone out.
[1931.33] Curry: But Andrew, you've recently gone over to the dark side and you've built a quad.
[1935.61] Curry: Is that correct?
[1936.61] Curry: That is correct.
[1938.45] Curry: How did that come about?
[1939.57] Curry: What happened?
[1940.57] Curry: Did you fall on your head?
[1943.57] Andrew Newton: I have had a tricopter and build a tricopter before David Vindestal's, you know, the arts
[1948.89] Andrew Newton: explorer tricopter back when that was around.
[1952.57] Andrew Newton: I still have a brand new KK2 board that I was going to change it over to eventually.
[1960.69] Jack: Was it on KK1?
[1962.69] Andrew Newton: No, no, no, just KK2.
[1969.45] Andrew Newton: And I also made a little wooden quad back then, which was what that must be four years
[1975.41] Andrew Newton: ago or something like that, five years ago.
[1979.89] Andrew Newton: Someone gave me, one of my friends gave me a five inch frame and I had four motors that
[1985.57] Andrew Newton: matched and four ASEs that matched and some five inch props.
[1989.29] Andrew Newton: So I tried to make a five inch quad and that, and I'm not really interested in beta flight.
[1997.81] Andrew Newton: I always, I understand INEV and I want to have the GPS and the return to home and the
[2002.21] Andrew Newton: missions and all that sort of stuff.
[2006.25] Andrew Newton: So my little five inch quad went okay for a little while until I think one of my screws
[2010.09] Andrew Newton: went too far in and started shorting out the motor and just ruined everything.
[2015.13] Andrew Newton: So I put that aside.
[2016.29] Andrew Newton: And then I heard Pavel talking about his PERC 7 and how well that was going on INEV.
[2021.73] Andrew Newton: So basically he convinced me with his videos to have a go and yeah, I love it.
[2030.93] Andrew Newton: It's most impressive.
[2033.93] Andrew Newton: There goes the H-Wink.
[2035.93] Tony: And it's not flying now.
[2039.21] Tony: That's right.
[2041.65] Andrew Newton: So there it is.
[2042.65] Andrew Newton: Does that look all right?
[2043.65] Andrew Newton: Does that look normal?
[2044.65] Tony: Looks pretty normal to me.
[2046.93] Curry: Is that a seven inch size Denil?
[2049.97] Curry: It is seven inch, yes.
[2052.01] Curry: And you've got presumably that's a compass and a GPS because you've got that quite close.
[2056.57] Curry: Does that still work okay?
[2057.97] Curry: Because normally you have to put compasses far away from the carbon.
[2062.29] Andrew Newton: Yes, that is.
[2064.21] Andrew Newton: It's a BTN BN880.
[2066.09] Andrew Newton: So yeah, it seems to be working okay as far as I can tell.
[2069.93] Andrew Newton: I haven't pushed it too far over the horizon or anything like that, but it seems to be
[2076.17] Andrew Newton: working all right.
[2078.37] Jack: A lot of three different ones there.
[2080.41] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[2081.41] Andrew Newton: All the bits and pieces.
[2082.41] Jack: That will excite you.
[2083.41] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[2084.41] Andrew Newton: I love designing the little 3D printed bits.
[2088.93] Andrew Newton: But yeah, I'm basically following Pavel's photos and he's got it roughly in that position.
[2094.57] Andrew Newton: So it seems to work okay.
[2096.81] UNKNOWN: Oh, Pavel.
[2097.81] Jack: Oh, I missed my little new cat friend.
[2103.33] Andrew Newton: But something I've done a couple of times is put it into return to home and then I'm
[2109.09] Andrew Newton: when it gets close to home, it just wigs out and slams into the ground for some reason.
[2114.29] Andrew Newton: I haven't worked out what is triggering that switch out of return to home nice and gently
[2120.21] Andrew Newton: and then slam into the ground yet.
[2122.49] Curry: It sounds like it's gone back to Betaflight code.
[2125.13] Curry: That's Betaflight's return to home.
[2126.41] Curry: It just crashes close by.
[2127.81] Andrew Newton: Yeah, it could be.
[2129.41] Andrew Newton: It could be.
[2130.41] Jack: Well, I've never had that in all my years of iNav.
[2134.81] Curry: Really?
[2135.81] Curry: How many iNav quads have you?
[2137.81] Curry: Yeah.
[2138.81] Curry: None.
[2139.81] Jack: Yeah.
[2140.81] Jack: What do you mean none?
[2141.81] UNKNOWN: Well, iNav.
[2142.81] Tony: That was a iNav quad.
[2145.81] Tony: Not the one what we'd set a fire to.
[2149.17] Tony: Yeah.
[2150.17] Tony: That one.
[2151.17] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[2152.17] Tony: Okay.
[2153.17] Tony: I didn't think I thought that was a DJI flight controller, wasn't it?
[2161.21] Jack: Was it iNav?
[2162.21] Jack: No.
[2163.21] Jack: That DJI unit, I bought the 90 and then sold for like 70 on eBay.
[2169.21] Jack: I never used it.
[2170.77] Jack: I wanted to go it free, but yeah, the POS, the Pooh copter was it.
[2180.09] Jack: Then I made another one with some spare parts with the electro hub and I've got that one
[2186.41] Jack: there.
[2187.41] Jack: This is so weird.
[2190.65] Jack: There.
[2193.41] Jack: The quad hanging up there.
[2195.49] Jack: That's also iNav.
[2196.49] Curry: That's three.
[2197.49] Curry: Has that ever flown because that's the one with the gimbal that doesn't work, isn't it?
[2203.45] Jack: Yeah.
[2204.45] Jack: The gimbal doesn't work, but everything else does.
[2207.53] Jack: I also went for testing and I forgot to hit save on loads of the modes, so it hovers
[2214.25] Jack: quite well and then wanders with the wind with very little instruction.
[2219.09] Jack: It stayed up in the air and I was like, this is a bit weird, it's not holding its position
[2224.77] Jack: very well and stuck it in return to home.
[2227.25] Jack: Didn't do anything.
[2228.25] Jack: Flew it back to me, landed to go, what's wrong with it, plugged it in, forgot to hit save
[2234.09] Jack: modes switches, didn't I?
[2236.09] Jack: It was just flying an acro up there.
[2239.77] Tony: I went to ages.
[2242.29] Tony: I've got the TBS sat on my seven inch and I flew.
[2249.97] Tony: I left it on the ground for two minutes and then I flew for about four minutes out and
[2255.61] Tony: after about two minutes, I've got eight satellites.
[2258.33] Tony: That took about five minutes to get eight satellites.
[2262.41] Tony: I was in the middle of nowhere, so you could see the sky.
[2267.01] Jack: It took so long.
[2269.73] Jack: I found some of the old, is it the big round TBS one?
[2277.53] Tony: No, it's the little new square one.
[2281.41] Jack: I don't know about them, but I found the, what is it, the U-Blocks eight chips are incredible.
[2289.01] Jack: They're proper bang, quick.
[2291.01] Tony: Yeah, there's a brain 3D one that's supposed to be really, really quick, so I might swap
[2297.29] Tony: it out for that if I don't get it working very well, but I didn't trust to flick return
[2304.65] Tony: to home.
[2305.65] Tony: I just used it to see which way back home was.
[2309.09] Jack: Numskull's got a good point, little tip with GPS.
[2312.77] Jack: First plug in, angle the quad and it picks them up quicker.
[2316.57] Jack: The other thing you can do as well, which really helps with GPS is if you've got a way
[2321.09] Jack: to power the GPS first without the quad booting up, so there's a lot less and that really
[2327.61] Jack: helps because your first initial plug in is it, it's like you got something called cold
[2333.09] Jack: start where, you know, it's not used to, it's like, where the hell am I?
[2338.01] Jack: And then that's what the little coin cell battery is on the back of them, on some of
[2342.81] Jack: them that will store your last.
[2344.41] Jack: So if you keep going to the regular same old flying field, it just gets quicker and quicker
[2349.01] Jack: because it's.
[2350.01] Tony: Yeah, I heard there's a startup thing.
[2351.65] Tony: I mean, I put it in my garden and it got five and I thought, well, I'll go out and that
[2357.89] Tony: was a cloudy, horrible day because it is England.
[2362.29] Tony: And yeah, and then I went to down near Brighton in Valley and I thought, oh, this is going
[2368.29] Tony: to be pick it up easy now.
[2370.29] Tony: And it got five and I thought, oh, sorry, I'm going to take off.
[2374.69] Tony: And then it took ages till I got eight, I was flying and then it suddenly went, oh,
[2378.81] Tony: you've got eight satellites by the way.
[2380.97] Curry: And I don't know if this is a thing or I've accidentally discovered something, but when
[2387.29] Curry: I've had GPS is on the ground in the quad and I've plugged in and I get like four or
[2392.13] Curry: five satellites and I'm literally waiting 10 minutes and I get a bit fed up and I think
[2395.49] Curry: I'll take it for a little bit of a fly.
[2397.25] Curry: As soon as I'm in the air flying around, it jumps up like 12 satellites.
[2400.65] Curry: And I'm like, is there something about the proximity to the ground?
[2403.77] Curry: Does it create some sort of weird ground plane thing in which it doesn't it doesn't like
[2409.61] Curry: being on the ground?
[2410.61] Curry: Because as soon as I've got those 12 satellites, it's happy.
[2412.71] Curry: Or is it just coincidence because it's happened like more than once being in the air.
[2417.99] Curry: It's like, well, you're close to the satellites previously.
[2421.79] Curry: You were like 10 feet down, but now you're higher up.
[2424.87] Curry: They can see them.
[2425.87] Curry: I don't know.
[2426.87] Curry: It's weird.
[2427.87] Jack: The ground's magnetic.
[2428.87] Jack: It's picking up the frog energy and it's just generated a Tony thing.
[2436.39] Andrew Newton: Some of those little BN220, the ones that you get with the little co-pilot, fly control
[2446.19] Andrew Newton: board and a lot of sort of a ready to fly have a little BN220.
[2451.17] Andrew Newton: Some of them can take 20 minutes to get satellites locked down.
[2455.23] Andrew Newton: So yeah, some of them just take ages for some reason.
[2459.63] Andrew Newton: I don't know why.
[2461.07] Frank: The other trick I've heard to kind of help them out is to unplug your BTX with the Maytech
[2467.59] Frank: boards with the switcher ball bet.
[2469.99] Frank: So you can turn your BTX off and it's just like something else less that it's having
[2475.51] Frank: to compete with.
[2476.51] Tony: I was on my DJI quad, so I had the air unit in which I obviously had to run at 25 milliwatt
[2484.55] Tony: before I took off.
[2485.87] Tony: And then I upped it a little bit to 26 and then flew, but I sat there so I didn't fly
[2494.11] Tony: my...
[2495.11] Frank: I didn't fly very much yet, Tony.
[2498.11] Tony: Yes, that's what I meant.
[2499.71] Jack: Yes.
[2500.71] Jack: I'm loving the Nostromo t-shirt, by the way.
[2505.63] Andrew Newton: These come from England.
[2506.63] Andrew Newton: There's a place called Last Exit to Nowhere that does all these movie-related and TV-related
[2513.11] Andrew Newton: obscure t-shirts.
[2514.11] Andrew Newton: So yeah, that's where I buy them from, from your neck of the woods.
[2519.31] Jack: Oh, God.
[2520.51] Jack: You should deliver it to one of us and we can forward it on to you.
[2523.71] Jack: Don't buy anything from us anymore because we're going to have to outsource our t-shirt
[2531.75] Jack: shop now.
[2532.75] Andrew Newton: So what happened with Brexit, do you guys actually want Brexit or is it something that
[2537.51] Andrew Newton: happened because someone had an idea and it just kept rolling or what's the deal?
[2542.71] Tony: It all is about Brexit, you can't talk about Brexit.
[2549.51] Curry: We can now say that it seems to have an immediate impact with Banggood apparently are not delivering
[2554.11] Curry: certain items all of a sudden.
[2555.95] Curry: I don't know if that's because of it or what, but now some things won't arrive.
[2561.43] Curry: Frank?
[2562.43] Frank: Yeah, I mean, because obviously in my work we import and we export to and from various
[2569.43] Frank: EU countries and it's made it very, very tricky at the moment.
[2573.15] Frank: No one really knows what kind of paperwork is needed and it's all very tricky.
[2577.87] Frank: So yes, it's not fun, not having a fun time.
[2582.51] Andrew Newton: Just to add to the stress of other things that are going on.
[2585.43] Frank: Exactly, would not recommend.
[2587.75] Jack: I'm going to try and order a flight controller and see whether Banggood tells me to f*** off.
[2597.95] Curry: How was the situation over there in Australia, Andrew?
[2601.07] Curry: Are you able to get out and fly?
[2602.51] Curry: Do you have plenty of space around you?
[2605.71] Andrew Newton: Yes, we had a run of 60 days with zero new cases where I live and zero deaths.
[2617.11] Andrew Newton: But we're getting return to people coming back from overseas, bringing back your lovely
[2623.75] Andrew Newton: new strain.
[2626.99] Andrew Newton: So we do actually, although we've got very, very low cases, it means that they know exactly
[2634.23] Andrew Newton: where the cases are.
[2635.95] Andrew Newton: So the authorities in Victoria, where I am in New South Wales, they'll immediately close
[2642.31] Andrew Newton: the borders basically if there's a little breakout.
[2644.23] Andrew Newton: There's a little breakout in Sydney at the moment.
[2648.19] Andrew Newton: And it's only under 10 cases a day, but they'll close the border basically to stop it spreading.
[2656.29] Andrew Newton: So they do go very hard at it here.
[2661.25] Andrew Newton: And for the most part, we're sort of all on board.
[2664.01] Andrew Newton: We don't have the idiot protesters.
[2667.01] Andrew Newton: Well, I was thinking more of the US, but yeah, the US have got the worst of them.
[2675.13] Andrew Newton: That's right.
[2676.13] Andrew Newton: You know, Australia is meant to be a country of sort of rough nuts and larrikins.
[2683.49] Andrew Newton: The reality is we follow what our leaders tell us to do basically without too much hassle.
[2691.41] Andrew Newton: So we're free to do anything.
[2693.13] Andrew Newton: We have to wear masks in any enclosed area like supermarkets or shops or anything like
[2699.69] Andrew Newton: that.
[2700.69] Andrew Newton: Social distancing, but no other restrictions really at the moment.
[2704.29] Andrew Newton: Sounds better than a nice lockdown.
[2707.89] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[2708.89] Andrew Newton: You're fully locked down.
[2709.89] Andrew Newton: What's you get out for an hour a day or something?
[2712.65] Curry: We can get an exercise.
[2714.21] Curry: But to be fair, it's absolutely bloody freezing outside.
[2716.65] Curry: Nobody wants to go out at the moment.
[2720.81] Frank: We're specifically in the rules for the lockdown in the UK.
[2725.33] Frank: It specifically says this does not include going outside for leisure and recreation.
[2732.05] Frank: So I would say that's fine.
[2735.13] Frank: It's exercise only.
[2738.09] Tony: All the fields are shut.
[2739.09] Frank: It's literally banned in the UK.
[2741.69] Tony: All the BMFA fields are shut and my airsoft shut.
[2745.85] Tony: Anything outside I do is not allowed, apart from I can ride my bike, I think, for an hour
[2752.13] Tony: or so.
[2753.13] Tony: And go to work, which is outside.
[2754.97] Tony: As long as you don't have fun doing it, Tony, that's the main thing.
[2759.89] Tony: Working or riding my bike?
[2761.89] Curry: Both.
[2762.89] Curry: No fun is allowed, else it's breaking the rules.
[2766.41] BlueOwl: It's going to stay like this until the end of March, right?
[2769.53] Curry: Yeah, until...
[2770.53] BlueOwl: I'm asking because I'm not in the UK.
[2773.53] BlueOwl: I'm in Europe.
[2776.53] Curry: I think the stat is one in 50 people have it at the moment, so it has to drop somewhere
[2782.81] Curry: way, way lower than that.
[2785.85] Jack: So you know those like boat-shaped fish and chip trays that you get from the takeaway?
[2792.33] Jack: Imagine one of them put a dog turd in it.
[2795.89] Jack: Play it full of light fluid, light it on fire, and then float it out on a pond.
[2801.57] Jack: That's the UK right now.
[2804.57] Tony: Oh, poor buggers.
[2807.57] Tony: Pretty much.
[2809.57] Tony: Yeah.
[2810.57] Tony: Summer is coming.
[2811.57] Tony: Yes.
[2812.57] Frank: Every day in the UK, we're getting two to three more minutes of sunlight until June.
[2819.57] Andrew Newton: We're probably having our first summer day today.
[2823.21] Andrew Newton: We've had rain and wind for all leading up to this day.
[2828.93] Andrew Newton: Today, we've got 28 degrees and bright sunshine, so probably summer's day, but it's the first
[2835.61] Andrew Newton: of the year, really.
[2837.41] Jack: Is there the cicadas out?
[2838.97] Jack: Yeah.
[2839.97] Jack: Because that's when you know it's awesome.
[2842.41] Andrew Newton: We don't get so many cicadas here.
[2844.41] Andrew Newton: Yeah, no, that's in sort of a hotter area, I suppose, a bit further north, on down south,
[2849.45] Andrew Newton: which is cold in Australia.
[2851.45] Andrew Newton: Well, coldish, you know, 28 degrees.
[2853.45] Andrew Newton: 28 degrees.
[2854.45] Jack: We can feel the coldness there already.
[2858.45] Andrew Newton: Yeah.
[2859.45] Andrew Newton: No, we're sort of more not as hot and arid as the northern parts of Australia.
[2869.45] Tony: Well, it was one degree here today, or pretty much all day.
[2874.45] Tony: Really?
[2875.45] Tony: Lovely.
[2876.45] Tony: Impressive.
[2877.53] Jack: At least it weren't in the negative.
[2880.53] Tony: No.
[2881.53] Tony: It is now, though.
[2883.53] Jack: Oh, lovely.
[2885.53] Tony: There's two, yeah.
[2887.53] Jack: How's your battery escapade going tone?
[2890.53] Jack: What one?
[2892.53] Jack: Your Lion.
[2894.53] Frank: Yeah, Lion, yeah.
[2896.53] Tony: I was going to say, is it the worst post?
[2900.53] Tony: It's not at the moment.
[2903.61] Tony: I found no one who wants to weld them, solder them, whatever.
[2909.61] Tony: Oh, weld them, but you've got to buy a welder.
[2912.61] Tony: I saw one on Amazon.
[2914.61] Tony: It was really cheap and cheerful for about 17 quid, if you want that.
[2920.61] Curry: No.
[2921.61] Curry: Things you shouldn't buy cheap.
[2922.61] Curry: Welders, parachutes, that sort of thing.
[2924.61] Curry: Always be a bit suspicious when I go for cheap.
[2927.61] Tony: I was going to give it to Jack.
[2929.61] Tony: I wasn't going to use it.
[2932.69] Tony: No, it's not.
[2934.69] Tony: I have got some contacts that I've,
[2936.69] Tony: Spider has been talking to me in the chat,
[2939.69] Tony: and I have got someone else sent me a contact the other day.
[2942.69] Tony: So, yeah.
[2946.69] Tony: I don't know yet.
[2948.69] Tony: It's not doing anything yet.
[2950.69] Tony: I mean, I can't even go out and fly for a month now.
[2952.69] Tony: So, I don't know.
[2955.69] Tony: I don't know what I'm going to do.
[2957.69] Tony: I'll field shut and if you go out flying,
[2960.77] Tony: it's just one degree.
[2962.77] Tony: I'm trying to do long range.
[2964.77] Tony: I was so cold doing my long range video the other day.
[2967.77] Jack: It was terrific.
[2969.77] Jack: Your testicles will appreciate it more.
[2972.77] Tony: They were warm.
[2974.77] Tony: I had my woolly underpants on.
[2976.77] Tony: It was just my fingers were so cold.
[2979.77] Tony: And I work outside, so I'm kind of used to it,
[2983.77] Tony: but it was just really, really cold.
[2985.77] Tony: What I got today, these turned up.
[2988.85] Tony: Don't you turn them on with a little battery.
[2991.85] Tony: No.
[2992.85] Tony: They've got just your fingers.
[2994.85] Tony: It's an electronic mare.
[3000.85] Tony: Send the details on.
[3002.85] Frank: So, gloves with just your thumb and two fingers.
[3007.85] Frank: Oh, they're actually, did they call them flying gloves?
[3011.85] Frank: They're Astro gloves.
[3013.85] Frank: They're for astronomy, like fiddling with your telescope.
[3016.93] Frank: Yeah, same.
[3018.93] Curry: That's what you want to do there.
[3022.93] Curry: I see you've got Make Me Lab in the chat.
[3024.93] Curry: I think Tony should tell him about that 1799 we'll do.
[3028.93] Curry: He'd probably have that and see how much it blows up on his shower.
[3031.93] Curry: That sounds like something he'd do.
[3033.93] Tony: It's all that was in the lab.
[3035.93] Tony: I'll find it and send it to you.
[3039.93] Jack: Have you used any of the stickers I've sent you, Andrew?
[3042.93] Andrew Newton: I have.
[3045.01] Andrew Newton: I have fun on a plane somewhere.
[3048.01] Andrew Newton: No, nothing nearby, but yeah.
[3050.01] Andrew Newton: It's in the background of all my shots, too.
[3052.01] Andrew Newton: So, it'll be about that big in the background.
[3056.01] Jack: A little sludge.
[3058.01] Jack: Definitely very good.
[3060.01] Jack: I've got a painless keychain.
[3062.01] Curry: It's pretty good.
[3064.01] Curry: Andrew, have you gone over to the world of HD?
[3067.01] Curry: Tony's very keen on his DJO goggles and won't touch anything else.
[3071.01] Curry: Have you been doing this on your wings?
[3073.09] Curry: You just watch them.
[3075.09] Curry: Yes, I have.
[3077.09] Jack: He's even got the Free Sky Pixel-based OSD and everything, isn't he?
[3083.09] Jack: You've got some toys.
[3085.09] Curry: I was just looking for your videos.
[3087.09] Curry: It was good to see the HD ones.
[3089.09] Curry: I just said, what is the Free Sky Pixel OSD?
[3091.09] Curry: I've never heard of that.
[3093.09] Andrew Newton: It doesn't make a lot of difference, really.
[3095.09] Andrew Newton: It just means that the artificial horizon is a smooth line instead of little dashes so far.
[3102.17] Andrew Newton: And you get scrolling numbers in the sidebars,
[3106.17] Andrew Newton: but I don't have those things in my FPV view anyway.
[3110.17] Andrew Newton: So, whether it's sort of graphical-based or character-based, it makes absolutely no difference for me.
[3119.17] Andrew Newton: It's just new technology, I suppose.
[3125.17] Andrew Newton: Frank was talking about the chips, about how big they were.
[3128.17] Andrew Newton: And that sort of prompted me to investigate it a little bit further because I actually didn't know anything about it.
[3136.25] Andrew Newton: Even though I've used the Pixel OSD, I didn't know the significance of it, really.
[3144.25] Andrew Newton: It's just another OSD, really.
[3147.25] Andrew Newton: It doesn't make a lot of difference, I don't think, yet.
[3150.25] Andrew Newton: But I guess in the future, there will be more design.
[3156.33] Andrew Newton: There will be more design.
[3158.33] Andrew Newton: There will be more set-up programming.
[3162.33] Andrew Newton: I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing.
[3164.33] Curry: I remember way long ago when the Vector came out for both fixed-wing and multirotor.
[3176.33] Curry: But it had color and you could change it around a lot.
[3179.33] Curry: And that was a big deal and it had all the scrolling stuff.
[3182.41] Curry: And Betaflight is still using that same old Max chip, isn't it?
[3186.41] Curry: Which is a little bit limited in what it can do.
[3189.41] Curry: Then again, not many people look beyond like, that's my battery voltage, that's my flight time.
[3195.41] Curry: But I think people want a little bit more when they're flying planes.
[3199.41] Curry: And as soon as you start saying, okay, let's have the artificial horizon,
[3204.41] Curry: let's have my speed here and my altitude here,
[3207.41] Curry: and let's put the GPS numbers here just in case it goes down.
[3211.49] Curry: It's become a spreadsheet and there's a lot less place to actually see where you're going.
[3217.49] Andrew Newton: Yeah, I'd prefer the view rather than the data.
[3220.49] Andrew Newton: Well, it's good to have the data, but I prefer to see where I'm flying.
[3225.49] Andrew Newton: I really don't like the artificial horizon and the scroll bars on the side.
[3228.49] Andrew Newton: They're just in the way of the view, I think.
[3230.49] Andrew Newton: You just don't need it.
[3232.49] Andrew Newton: The only reason I like the OSD is to share it on the video
[3237.49] Andrew Newton: so that you can show what the current drawer is,
[3240.49] Andrew Newton: whether it's rising or descending when you're in angle mode and stuff like that.
[3246.49] Tony: No, I've seen videos of people with so much stuff on their screen.
[3252.49] Tony: It's like everywhere in the middle and I'm like, what are you doing?
[3257.49] Tony: It's terrible.
[3258.49] Tony: Anything they can have on, they turn on and it's just madness.
[3263.49] Andrew Newton: That's the thing about the HD system.
[3265.49] Andrew Newton: The HD system is mind-blowing as a flying experience, but you can't share the OSD data.
[3273.49] Andrew Newton: I would switch totally to the HD system on all my planes
[3279.49] Andrew Newton: if there wasn't the requirement for sharing the data on a video.
[3284.49] Jack: I think Andy, I'll see you figured out a way of doing it.
[3288.49] Curry: I think he uses telemetry info and then he generates an overlay
[3293.49] Curry: to put onto his video later as opposed to having the actual stuff that's there, doesn't he?
[3298.49] Curry: I've been painless.
[3299.49] Frank: I've just released a good video explaining how to do that.
[3305.49] Jack: Good old painless.
[3307.49] Curry: As Caroline says there, OpenHD can.
[3309.49] Curry: I don't know if you've tried that, Andrew.
[3311.49] Curry: I've been experimenting with it and you might want to give it a try.
[3316.49] Curry: It's particularly suited to fixed wing because there's about a 100 millisecond delay round trip,
[3325.49] Curry: which on a quad is difficult, but on a plane where you're up and cruising is interesting.
[3330.49] Curry: It's a fun thing.
[3332.49] Jack: I'm not saying I learn to add my PIDs of values to the auto tune from you, Andrew Newton,
[3343.49] Jack: in the in the OSD where it comes up.
[3346.49] Jack: So you can see the game changer.
[3351.49] Andrew Newton: Yeah, then you know if it's actually saved, I suppose.
[3356.49] Andrew Newton: I don't actually do a lot of tuning.
[3358.49] Andrew Newton: I don't use iNav as a stabilization setup really.
[3365.49] Andrew Newton: It's more just for the OSD and the return to home and maybe an altitude hold,
[3370.49] Andrew Newton: but I rarely fly in a fully stabilized mode.
[3374.49] Andrew Newton: So I tend to, once you get enough control in acro mode,
[3378.49] Andrew Newton: then I don't really bother about the peas and the eyes and things like that.
[3382.49] Andrew Newton: It doesn't make enough difference and I'd prefer to fly in acro or manual anyway.
[3388.49] Jack: I'll make sure you get a stern email from Pavel about your general incident.
[3394.49] Andrew Newton: He's kind of the same though.
[3396.49] Andrew Newton: He's recommended, you know, put your piece to zero and just fly the thing, basically.
[3401.49] Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.
[3403.49] Jack: I know.
[3404.49] Andrew Newton: I forgot about that.
[3407.49] Andrew Newton: You know, because planes fly by themselves.
[3409.49] Andrew Newton: They don't need flight control.
[3411.49] Jack: Yeah, true.
[3412.49] Jack: They just chuck them up and they'll go mainly.
[3416.49] Jack: Yeah.
[3417.49] BlueOwl: That's what's scary about them for me.
[3419.49] BlueOwl: That's why they keep flying, you know.
[3422.49] BlueOwl: You can't stop.
[3423.49] Curry: What's just one to crash?
[3427.49] Curry: Yeah.
[3429.49] Curry: I just want to come back to Earth.
[3432.49] Andrew Newton: Yeah, very well.
[3434.49] Jack: So have you got anything you're really looking forward to,
[3438.49] Jack: anything pipeline you can kind of hint about?
[3441.49] Andrew Newton: It's only this thing.
[3443.49] Andrew Newton: This is the only thing that's sort of on the mind at the moment.
[3448.49] Andrew Newton: It's taking up too much time and I'm not getting anywhere and I'm getting a bit frustrated
[3453.49] Andrew Newton: because they've released it to me without telling me how to fly it or how to operate it.
[3460.49] Andrew Newton: What else?
[3462.49] Tony: They seem to do that, these firms, don't they?
[3465.49] Tony: They send Andy R.C. stuff and say, can you...
[3469.49] Jack: Coming from the guy who literally bought Cyberpunk.
[3473.49] Jack: I bought this game but it's not finished.
[3477.49] Andrew Newton: There's another one, the FR Sky Pilot flight control board that has a sort of a spot to
[3485.49] Andrew Newton: integrate the receiver onto the board.
[3488.49] Andrew Newton: They sent that to me and it needed INF 2.6 and that hadn't been released yet.
[3497.93] Andrew Newton: And then there's the Pixel OSD that to get the Pixel OSD working,
[3501.93] Andrew Newton: they had to give me a copy of the little app that updates the firmware
[3508.93] Andrew Newton: and that wasn't compatible with the version of operating system on the Mac.
[3513.93] Andrew Newton: So I had to update to the latest operating system on the Mac,
[3516.93] Andrew Newton: then sort of get this Pixel OSD app working.
[3521.93] Andrew Newton: Sorry?
[3522.93] Jack: You're now on Big Sur.
[3525.93] Andrew Newton: No, not yet.
[3527.93] Andrew Newton: This is the previous version.
[3531.93] Jack: Don't do that to me.
[3534.93] Andrew Newton: No, I hang off because if it sort of breaks compatibility or OpenTX,
[3543.93] Andrew Newton: it's useless to me, basically.
[3546.93] BlueOwl: Maybe that's how it works.
[3549.93] BlueOwl: They just send it to you with pretend it's finished and you just figure it all out for them.
[3554.93] Andrew Newton: The feedback to FR Sky, I'm sure they were developing it as I was telling them
[3559.93] Andrew Newton: the problems that I was finding about it.
[3562.93] Andrew Newton: I don't like being that person.
[3565.93] Andrew Newton: Yeah, exactly.
[3567.93] Andrew Newton: It amazes me that they do this.
[3570.93] Jack: I don't always take my code, but when I do, it's in production.
[3577.93] Curry: That does seem to be the new thing.
[3580.93] Curry: Stuff is not finished.
[3581.93] Curry: Stuff just gets released in beta and then people say this doesn't work
[3585.93] Curry: and then everybody comes back and says, oh, don't worry, we're going to fix that.
[3587.93] Curry: Or that's in progress.
[3588.93] Curry: We'll have a fix that soon.
[3590.93] Curry: Unless it's free Sky and then they'll think about doing it and do an update if they feel like it.
[3599.93] Jack: Well, I think, should we call it there?
[3602.93] Jack: It's been an hour.
[3604.93] Jack: Andrew, it's been amazing.
[3607.93] Jack: Thank you so much.
[3609.93] Jack: Finally joining the legends that have been on Extra now.
[3614.93] Jack: Now all we've got to do is somehow me and Tony get that chat that me and you are in
[3619.93] Jack: to try and make something happen.
[3621.93] Jack: Should I just start posting dates, my friend?
[3625.93] Tony: Not yet.
[3627.93] Jack: You've been joined by our master and overlord, Andrew Staff Frank.
[3635.93] Jack: Don't look at us like that.
[3638.93] Jack: Look, you're very stressed out.
[3640.93] Jack: We didn't run it by you because you're very stressed out.
[3643.93] Jack: You've got a lot of reading to do.
[3648.93] Jack: Your own good.
[3650.93] Jack: We're not up to anything.
[3652.93] Jack: The legend, the man, Andrew Newton, fantastic.
[3655.93] Jack: And his link is below.
[3657.93] Jack: Subscribe.
[3658.93] Andrew Newton: Thanks, guys.
[3659.93] Jack: Nice to chat to you.
[3662.93] Jack: Everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3664.93] Jack: Goodbye.
[3665.93] Jack: The lovely blue owl.
[3667.93] BlueOwl: Bye.
[3669.93] Jack: She says all mode one die.
[3673.93] Jack: No, I don't.
[3675.93] Jack: Oh, my God, blue owl.
[3676.93] Jack: What is wrong with you?
[3677.93] BlueOwl: Who let her on?
[3681.93] Jack: My little vegan sausage, Tony.
[3683.93] Jack: Bonjour.
[3684.93] Jack: Thank you.
[3685.93] Jack: Good night.
[3686.93] Jack: Thank you, Patreons.
[3687.93] BlueOwl: We love you.
[3688.93] BlueOwl: Telemetry last.