=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 282 ===
Title: LDO 282 - Shirty Talking
Recorded: 2021-01-21
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,771
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJpDmvctDM); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/971978482-letsdroneout-ldo-282-shirty-talking.mp3)
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[0.0] Curry: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, the original and best drone themed podcast.
[5.0] Curry: We record the show live on the Thursday night on youtube.com forward slash Let's Drone Out
[9.8] Curry: and our lovely patrons help with the editing costs.
[12.2] (Patrons): These are Wacky Wes, Mikey Dread, Art Faulkner, Carlos Campos.
[19.0] Tony: Thank you.
[51.19] Jack: Hello and welcome back to another fantastic episode of Let's Drone Out.
[57.19] Jack: Somehow struggling along within lockdown.
[60.19] Jack: Tonight, we are joined by the beautiful, wonderful, talented and very intelligent Blue Owl.
[66.19] BlueOwl: Yes, it's me.
[68.19] BlueOwl: I was wondering.
[70.19] Jack: All those things, but not that beautiful.
[72.19] Jack: More in pain and definitely smarter than me.
[76.19] Jack: Everyone's favorite, Curry Kitten.
[78.19] Jack: Still beautiful.
[79.19] Jack: Hello.
[81.19] Jack: Bonjour.
[82.19] Jack: And our lord, overlord and master.
[86.19] Jack: Please protect us from the horrible people that send us emails.
[90.19] Jack: Andries Frank.
[91.19] Jack: Good evening.
[92.19] Jack: And I'm bright until I fly.
[94.19] Jack: Anything I say or anyone else is personal views only and not reflected to the show.
[100.19] Jack: I am especially an idiot and I can't express enough.
[106.19] Jack: Please don't hurt us or sir.
[112.19] Tony: Hello, Wacky Wes from Hong Kong.
[115.19] Curry: It's already Friday there, Tony, so he's probably drinking.
[119.19] Tony: Stop it, you lot.
[120.19] Curry: Everyone's drinking except for Tony because Tony has decided he needs to be Friday for drinking.
[126.19] Curry: And this is the one night we do drink.
[128.19] Curry: Well, one night.
[130.19] Tony: That's for your evil.
[136.19] Jack: Well, can't help it if someone's an alcoholic.
[140.19] Tony: Well, obviously I'm not because I'm only doing it Friday and Saturday.
[145.19] Frank: That's how that works.
[147.19] Jack: I've got a bit of FPV news for you.
[150.19] Curry: What?
[151.19] Curry: Well, we don't do that here.
[152.19] Curry: You've got that wrong.
[153.19] Curry: Wrong podcast.
[155.19] Curry: Is it a parallel universe where people can go outside?
[159.19] Jack: I ordered a Matek F405.
[164.19] Jack: I looked at the review from the awesome Andrew Newton about the Matek 405 SEW, something with the external USB.
[178.19] Jack: I couldn't bring myself to buy it because even though it was the same price, I was like,
[185.19] Jack: USB type C, not quite ready for that.
[188.19] Jack: And the other thing is I was concerned about the filtering.
[195.19] Jack: So I've picked one of those up and I've ordered, fingers crossed, a GPS module from Banggood.
[203.19] Jack: So I will be working back on the Flight Test Explorer.
[210.19] Curry: So what's wrong with USB type C?
[213.19] Curry: You realise it's just a different end to a cable and you can still plug the other end into your computer.
[219.19] Jack: Yeah, but nothing else is on it.
[221.19] Jack: What do you mean nothing else is on it?
[223.19] Curry: Loads of things are on it.
[224.19] Curry: For example, I took this out of the package today.
[227.19] Curry: This may look like the Bida flight, no Bida FPV controller that I had before, but this is the SE.
[233.19] Curry: And that has...
[235.19] Jack: What does SE say for special edition?
[238.19] Curry: Special edition.
[239.19] Curry: It hasn't got a battery.
[240.19] Curry: It's got an internal battery and it's got a USB type C adapter.
[243.19] Curry: And if you plug it into a Mac, your mouse goes mental because they've buggered up the head settings and haven't done it right.
[249.19] Curry: That's what I found out so far about it.
[252.19] Curry: So I can't redefine any controllers on my SIM because the mouse pointer is busy going like this over the corner of the screen.
[258.19] Curry: Oops.
[260.19] Frank: Excellent random number generator, though.
[264.19] Frank: Yeah.
[266.19] Frank: Well, pseudo-random, if we're going to be technical about that.
[268.19] Frank: Yeah, right.
[270.19] Frank: But if it's from an actual physical process, doesn't that maybe be random?
[277.19] Curry: Whatever.
[279.19] Curry: Good thing then, Jack, because you were talking about taking a different wing apart when I spoke to you the other day.
[284.19] Curry: Yeah, that might be a lot.
[286.19] Curry: That would be a bad thing to do because any other things aren't flying at the time.
[290.19] Jack: Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to molest the as you as you know, I.
[297.19] Jack: I've got to stop using that word for casual things.
[300.19] Jack: But, yep, I am going to ruin my S800 and get in there and take the old flight controller because that's got a wing may take wing board adapter and a normal four or five, which means the USB is completely pointing in the wrong direction.
[319.19] Jack: But we'll be perfect for the for the flight desk explorer.
[325.19] Curry: This this leads us to potentially actually be questioned for everybody, doesn't it?
[331.19] Curry: Because when we were talking about this the other night, we had a quick discussion and I said, why do you care about the USB adapter?
[338.19] Curry: You'll set it up.
[339.19] Curry: You'll sort it out.
[340.19] Curry: And then unless something comes up, which is an obvious bug that is affecting you or there's an update that you specifically want because it adds a new feature, why would you update the board?
[351.19] Curry: If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
[352.19] Curry: And you were very much on the case of I think I should keep up with the updates and stuff because they're fixing all sorts of things.
[359.19] Curry: And my sort of point of view is like, no, I've got loads of old quads on my flight three point one and they fly fine.
[366.19] Curry: So I wouldn't touch them.
[368.19] Curry: How are the rest of you guys feel about update?
[371.19] Curry: Do you update as a matter, of course, because a new version comes out?
[374.19] Curry: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[376.19] Curry: No, he's he's very much on the technical edge of everything.
[381.19] Curry: He'd want to get the pre pre stuff, wouldn't he?
[384.19] Curry: But do you keep on what you have unless you really need to.
[388.19] Tony: Yeah, I don't. I don't upgrade.
[390.19] Tony: I mean, I've got I've got quads I fly on really upbeat flight stuff.
[395.19] Tony: So and they fly really good.
[397.19] Tony: So I don't. Well, we're upgrading until we fly nice.
[401.19] Jack: There's still people on.
[403.19] Jack: What is it, three point five or something?
[405.19] Tony: That's what most of my stuff is.
[407.19] Curry: A couple of these ones are on three one seven.
[410.19] Tony: I think three one seven is pretty good.
[413.19] Frank: Yeah, I think my TSX still I think my TSX is still on like clean flight probably.
[419.19] Curry: That was always good.
[421.19] Curry: Oh, yeah. The really old old quad up the top there, I think, is I don't think is on base flight.
[425.19] Curry: I think it's at least on clean flight, but it has got like an external OSD.
[431.19] Curry: That's the one I just kept around for fun because it's on like, you know,
[435.19] Curry: two fifty. Yes.
[437.19] Jack: The reason why I update is because many other time I want to make an adjustment or have a little fiddle around
[447.19] Jack: and I plug it into a, you know, a GUI and it never works and it broke.
[455.19] Jack: And, you know, you can't.
[457.19] Jack: And then I was just left with the the.
[461.19] Jack: What's the other thing called?
[463.19] Jack: Oh, my God. Let's play dementia.
[467.19] Jack: The FBI FSP.
[471.19] Jack: No, no, no drivers.
[474.19] Jack: No, the thingy, the terminal interface.
[478.19] Jack: CLI.
[479.19] Jack: CLI. That's it.
[482.19] Jack: God damn it.
[483.19] Curry: Is this because what you've done is you've gone and updated your configurator
[488.19] Curry: and then when you come to put your old one, it says I don't know what this is anymore.
[491.19] Curry: It's too old.
[492.19] Jack: And you're like, you want to basically update.
[494.19] Jack: I'm one of those guys.
[496.19] Curry: Oh, Jesus. No.
[498.19] Curry: So we expect to lose you halfway through for a Windows update during this.
[502.19] Curry: Power car.
[503.19] Curry: This explains a lot.
[505.19] Curry: Yeah.
[506.19] Curry: This now we're getting to the bottom of why his drivers on his sound is different every week.
[512.19] Jack: I hunched.
[517.19] Frank: There's a new release candidate for the USB driver on his motherboards.
[523.19] Frank: He's updated it.
[524.19] Frank: He's updated his BIOS.
[526.19] Frank: There's anything that has a new flashy thing.
[529.19] Frank: All right.
[530.19] Jack: I'm not going to lie.
[532.19] Jack: N.J. put this weird thing on my computer and it updates my drivers all the time automatically.
[539.19] Curry: See cutting edge.
[541.19] Curry: I'm looking at the comments.
[543.19] Curry: I don't see anybody that's doing like we must update everything.
[547.19] Curry: Everyone else is like it's not broken.
[549.19] Curry: Don't fix it.
[550.19] Curry: Talking about like a GoPro tour is a lesson about updating recently,
[553.19] Curry: which is don't do it because you lose protein or something like that.
[557.19] Curry: Really?
[558.19] Curry: They did that.
[559.19] Curry: They actually did that.
[561.19] Jack: Yeah.
[562.19] Jack: What is with those animals?
[564.19] Jack: Well, to be fair, my kiss squad pretty much stay standard until I get bored
[569.19] Jack: or I feel like I can squeeze more out of it.
[572.19] BlueOwl: There are not so many updates anyway.
[575.19] Jack: Yeah.
[576.19] BlueOwl: I think I haven't updated.
[578.19] BlueOwl: I haven't updated my FCs like any of them since the beginning for the last like two years.
[585.19] BlueOwl: I haven't changed the thing apart from rates.
[589.19] BlueOwl: Maybe.
[590.19] Tony: Yeah.
[591.19] Tony: If it flies well, there's no point, is there?
[593.19] Tony: Only if there's something really good to what comes along that's worth risking one of your quads for.
[600.19] Curry: So don't call the flight controller out the S800.
[603.19] Curry: Leave that as it is.
[604.19] Curry: Just put one in the new plane.
[606.19] Curry: Configure it and then have done with it.
[609.19] Jack: No, I'm doing it.
[610.19] Jack: Oh, man.
[612.19] Jack: Can you talk?
[615.19] Curry: You're also saying that.
[617.19] Curry: And then you can change the board orientation.
[620.19] Jack: No, it's the light.
[623.19] Jack: It's a sideways USB.
[626.19] Jack: I want it to point upwards.
[628.19] Jack: And that's what the new board is going to do.
[631.19] Jack: It's going to play out anyway.
[634.19] Jack: The F405.
[636.19] Curry: But then you have to completely destroy the other plane to get it.
[640.19] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[641.19] Jack: Well, I haven't flown that anyway.
[643.19] Jack: And then you went.
[646.19] Jack: I'm sorry.
[647.19] Jack: The thing I'm almost...
[648.19] Tony: Oh, just let him tinker.
[650.19] Curry: I'm almost to the point where...
[652.19] Curry: This is what gets you into trouble.
[653.19] Curry: And then one of us can get a phone call saying, so this has happened and what do I do?
[659.19] Jack: No, you set off.
[661.19] Jack: I'm still stuck on the effing...
[665.19] Jack: Oh, what are these called?
[668.19] Jack: Let's fly.
[670.19] Jack: Flash it out, please.
[671.19] Jack: Oh, I see.
[672.19] Jack: 18 tiny.
[673.19] Jack: I remember what it was.
[674.19] Jack: I haven't got them in.
[676.19] Jack: I haven't.
[677.19] Jack: Not yet.
[679.19] Tony: Yeah.
[680.19] Frank: But I think the core problem here is that you want to fiddle with settings more than you actually fly them.
[688.19] Frank: That seems to be the problem.
[690.19] BlueOwl: What's the problem?
[692.19] BlueOwl: No, I mean...
[693.19] BlueOwl: I don't think it's a problem.
[696.19] BlueOwl: To me, there are like four parts of FPV and flying is just one of them.
[701.19] BlueOwl: And I'm not saying I don't like flying.
[703.19] BlueOwl: I love flying, but there is also the building part.
[706.19] BlueOwl: There is the video editing and I mean, whatever you like.
[710.19] BlueOwl: If you, I don't know, prefer building and changing the settings, which I personally don't like.
[718.19] BlueOwl: I mean, I'm speaking about the settings and it's fine.
[721.19] BlueOwl: Just keep building and changing the settings.
[724.19] Frank: I like his behavior for yourself.
[727.19] Frank: I like her.
[728.19] Frank: Is that the core of it, Jack?
[729.19] Frank: You just enjoy pressing buttons and flashing things.
[732.19] BlueOwl: More than flying.
[734.19] Jack: No.
[735.19] Jack: I mean, look, if I want to guarantee flight, I've got my kiss squad.
[740.19] Jack: I've got it.
[741.19] Jack: It's my daily.
[742.19] Jack: And then I take the mechanics approach to everything else where you fiddle with it and f*** it up and break it more.
[750.19] Curry: And this is why if you take your car to any other mechanic and they open up the bonnet, they go,
[756.19] Curry: you've had some right cowboys in here, haven't you?
[759.19] Curry: That's where it comes from.
[761.19] Jack: Yeah, it's called me and Shelton.
[767.19] Tony: Yeah, Jack likes the fiddle.
[770.19] Tony: Flying in the editing is me.
[773.19] Tony: That's my bit.
[774.19] Tony: I like both of them.
[775.19] Tony: Coming home, looking at the footage, putting something together.
[778.19] Tony: I like that bit.
[779.19] Tony: Hate fixing.
[781.19] BlueOwl: You don't really like building, do you?
[784.19] Curry: Hate building, hate fiddling.
[785.19] Curry: No, he doesn't do building himself.
[787.19] Curry: He has a trusted third party to do it for him.
[790.19] Curry: He has a man that lives under the stairs.
[793.19] Jack: He can't even do it right.
[795.19] Jack: He has to still come and visit me.
[798.19] Tony: When things do go wrong, we do come and visit you, Jack.
[802.19] Jack: Yeah.
[803.19] Jack: And that's good.
[805.19] Jack: I'm not trying to make excuses for myself,
[809.19] Jack: but I do not have bits left over.
[813.19] Jack: Thank you very much.
[814.19] Jack: I feel in my car, I usually do because I dropped like bolts
[820.19] Jack: where I can't get them.
[821.19] Jack: And I'm like, which I should not admit I'm here.
[828.19] Curry: Professionally qualified mechanic, everybody.
[830.19] Curry: This is the sort of level we're looking at.
[834.19] Jack: You don't need four bolts for that.
[837.19] Frank: That only holds the wheel on.
[839.19] Frank: It's not important.
[840.19] Jack: No, that is important.
[842.19] Jack: That is very important.
[844.19] Jack: Not so bad.
[845.19] Jack: But the little fixture that holds my seat belt.
[850.19] Jack: No.
[851.19] Jack: Windscreen in.
[853.19] Frank: Steering wheel.
[854.19] Jack: Shut up.
[855.19] Jack: Engine.
[857.19] Jack: Engine management.
[862.19] Jack: There's like a little bracket on the side,
[866.19] Jack: and it doesn't need three bolts.
[869.19] Jack: It's only got two in.
[870.19] Jack: So, you know.
[873.19] Frank: That's definitely a problem with vibration.
[876.19] Frank: I mean, that's well known.
[878.19] Frank: Electrical connection is absolutely fine with that.
[880.19] Jack: Yeah.
[881.19] Jack: And when I replaced the air con switch,
[886.19] Jack: the demyst back button, windscreen button thing,
[889.19] Jack: the little module that that was in,
[891.19] Jack: I dropped one of the screws in there,
[893.19] Jack: and I only got that out the other day
[895.19] Jack: with the use of several McDonald's drawers.
[897.19] Jack: I just saved them up.
[900.19] Jack: And it sticks a bleat out from the end,
[902.19] Jack: and I've got that out, and that's in my cup holder.
[906.19] Jack: So, as long as no one hovers the inside of my car,
[909.19] Jack: that might go back in one day.
[911.19] Frank: Who besides you is likely to hoover your car?
[915.19] Jack: Dan, Dan's very, I've made a new friend.
[919.19] Jack: Fridays, when you don't see me,
[921.19] Jack: I've made some friends with some kids.
[924.19] Tony: New friend, friend.
[926.19] Jack: New friend.
[927.19] Jack: I've got a work room.
[929.19] Jack: And they play, like we were playing Minecraft,
[934.19] Jack: and then we got into a bit of seven days to die
[939.19] Jack: and stuff like that.
[940.19] Frank: I thought they were going to be like a local,
[942.19] Frank: I thought they were going to be a local Roomba users group.
[945.19] Jack: No, I haven't found my people yet,
[948.19] Jack: but when I do, when I do, like...
[952.19] Curry: They found out the Roombas were holding them hostage
[955.19] Curry: and walking the doors.
[957.19] Jack: The Roomba likes to lock me out, not in yet.
[961.19] Jack: If I was in, at least I can get to the Roomba.
[965.19] Jack: But me and Curry have been reminiscing
[969.19] Jack: over Final Fantasy VII.
[972.19] Jack: It's been a good time.
[973.19] Curry: We have, but we both played different versions of it.
[975.19] Curry: You finished the original, I finished a new one.
[978.19] Curry: So now we have to swap categories over
[981.19] Curry: and I finish the original and you go...
[983.19] Jack: I can't play it because I don't own a PS4.
[986.19] Jack: So if anyone wants to see a PS4, let me know.
[990.19] Frank: That's one of these films that occasionally requires you
[998.19] Frank: to go through a menu to find the next chapter, right?
[1001.19] Frank: It's just a really awkward DVD, Final Fantasy.
[1005.19] Jack: Yeah, pretty much.
[1007.19] Jack: And then the original ones like watching some sort of Lego movie
[1011.19] Jack: before CPI, like me with actual Lego.
[1015.19] Jack: And the Legos been on fire a bit and melted
[1019.19] Jack: and has been chewed by a dog.
[1021.19] Jack: But the story is beautiful.
[1023.19] Jack: I'm very close to my heart.
[1025.19] Tony: So are we changing the podcast from DVD to mechanics
[1030.19] Tony: and...
[1032.19] Curry: Well, we just have to go with what we've got at the moment.
[1036.19] Curry: But hands up, who's flown something this week?
[1039.19] BlueOwl: Me.
[1041.19] BlueOwl: Does the stim count?
[1043.19] BlueOwl: Yes.
[1044.19] Curry: Have you registered it with the CEO?
[1047.19] Curry: Everyone then, except for Jack.
[1050.19] Jack: I have.
[1052.19] Jack: None of them work
[1054.19] Jack: because I also like to take them apart.
[1060.34] Jack: Yeah.
[1061.34] Jack: If anyone needs a spare graphics chip, let me know.
[1063.34] Jack: I've got one.
[1065.34] Jack: All right.
[1066.34] BlueOwl: We'll do.
[1067.34] BlueOwl: Yeah, we did some sim, curriculum sim on Saturday.
[1074.34] BlueOwl: That was Tony Frank and myself.
[1078.34] Curry: And we had several as well.
[1080.34] Curry: And you were doing a lot of 65 degree stuff, weren't you?
[1083.34] BlueOwl: Exactly, yeah.
[1085.34] BlueOwl: That's kind of challenging for me
[1087.34] BlueOwl: because I got the rates completely backwards.
[1090.34] Jack: Yeah.
[1091.34] Jack: You want to explain what happened there?
[1093.34] BlueOwl: So...
[1095.34] BlueOwl: I actually...
[1096.34] BlueOwl: You know what?
[1097.34] BlueOwl: I blame Corey Kitten.
[1099.34] BlueOwl: He switched the extra.
[1101.34] BlueOwl: He switched the extra and the super rate.
[1104.34] BlueOwl: So I got confused.
[1107.34] BlueOwl: And then...
[1108.34] BlueOwl: Okay.
[1109.34] BlueOwl: So instead of putting 0.03, I used 0.3.
[1115.34] BlueOwl: But still, I switched the extra and the super rate.
[1120.34] Curry: It doesn't matter how to count or read labels.
[1123.34] Curry: But apart from that, fair enough.
[1126.34] BlueOwl: Okay.
[1127.34] Jack: At least you weren't mocked by your teenage daughter
[1130.34] Jack: like I was today, who wanted to know my qualifications.
[1134.34] Jack: That is like the lowest point in my life.
[1137.34] Jack: The most wise teenage girl.
[1139.34] Curry: Yes, but then you refused to tell her
[1141.34] Curry: you didn't exactly put that fire out.
[1143.34] Curry: I said she had a degree and she's like,
[1146.34] Curry: what, in what?
[1148.34] Curry: In fine art?
[1150.34] Curry: And she went...
[1154.34] Jack: He basically went, do you want fries or that?
[1157.34] Jack: She was like, pick me whilst I was down.
[1160.34] Jack: Stop flying.
[1161.34] Tony: We've all grown up out of that.
[1163.34] Curry: So the big question, Tony,
[1165.34] Curry: is did you try and fly the sim
[1168.34] Curry: whilst not drinking beer to see if you could do
[1171.34] Curry: the inverted orbit?
[1173.34] Curry: Because you were having considerable trouble with that.
[1176.34] Tony: I did do it though.
[1178.34] Tony: After about 10 attempts.
[1180.34] Tony: Come on.
[1181.34] Tony: Just blew out, Frank.
[1183.34] Tony: Wow.
[1186.34] Tony: You looked like through the footage, God damn it.
[1190.34] Tony: I'll tell you what, I was drunk.
[1194.34] Tony: It was Saturday.
[1196.34] Tony: It's my drinking days, as you know,
[1198.34] Tony: and I thought it was Saturday.
[1201.34] UNKNOWN: But I did it.
[1202.34] Tony: You two would say, well done.
[1204.34] Tony: Yes, you were upside down.
[1206.34] Tony: Unless you were teasing me and I wasn't upside down
[1208.34] Tony: and I didn't know because I was drunk.
[1211.34] BlueOwl: I'll tell you what, Tony, next time,
[1214.34] BlueOwl: if you're not joining the sim session,
[1216.34] BlueOwl: I'm not joining either because it's just so entertaining.
[1220.34] BlueOwl: This must be boring without you.
[1224.34] Tony: I'm glad I entertain you.
[1226.34] Tony: I'm trying to be an excavator trying to fly upside down.
[1231.34] Curry: It was also quite good fun because I watched it
[1234.34] Curry: all the way back to things that went wrong
[1237.34] Curry: and I did notice that the crane had gone wrong.
[1239.34] Curry: But also the fact that no one could work out
[1242.34] Curry: what a cartwheel was.
[1243.34] Curry: I absolutely knew what you were talking about, Tony.
[1245.34] Curry: Everybody else was like, I don't understand.
[1247.34] Curry: What do you mean?
[1248.34] Curry: They were just doing spins and things.
[1250.34] Tony: Oh, Frank was hilarious trying to do it.
[1252.34] Tony: He was such a simple thing to do and Frank was like,
[1255.34] Tony: I don't know.
[1256.34] Tony: I can't do it.
[1258.34] Frank: I didn't understand what you were talking about.
[1262.34] Frank: He was like, keep the...
[1264.34] Frank: Yeah, that was eventually what I saw someone else do.
[1269.34] Frank: So that was what they were asking for.
[1271.34] Frank: But they were saying, just look at the building
[1273.34] Frank: and then go sideways.
[1275.34] BlueOwl: There's so many ways in which you can look at the building
[1279.34] BlueOwl: and then go sideways.
[1282.34] Curry: Tony trying to explain things while slightly drunk
[1285.34] Curry: is worse than Tony just trying to explain things
[1287.34] Curry: when not drunk, which...
[1288.34] Tony: Well, it's not that bad.
[1291.34] Tony: So also I flew Sunday.
[1293.34] Tony: I went out for a walk with a friend and went for a fly.
[1298.34] Tony: Flew this again.
[1301.34] Curry: How is that doing now?
[1303.34] Curry: Because you were talking about getting...
[1304.34] Curry: I saw you posting a link to some different types of batteries,
[1307.34] Curry: some what, lithium ions, were they?
[1309.34] Tony: Yeah, I still haven't got anything like that anymore yet.
[1313.34] Tony: I'm still flying the 6S2200, which has given me like
[1317.34] Tony: on a warm day, 12 minutes, on a cold day, 10.
[1322.34] Tony: But this is for sale now at FossilStuff.com.
[1326.34] Tony: The Tomahawk.
[1328.34] Tony: It's ready for sale.
[1331.34] Tony: I think there's five in stock at the moment.
[1336.34] Tony: Cool.
[1338.34] Tony: But yeah, I'm loving it.
[1340.34] Tony: I'm looking forward to summer and taking it
[1342.34] Tony: along the beach early morning for a really long trip.
[1346.34] Tony: I think we're all supposed to be holidaying in the UK, aren't we?
[1352.34] Tony: Because Matt Hancock says that he's going to Devon
[1357.34] Tony: and we all should go and stay in the country.
[1361.34] Frank: Unfortunately, the Dorset Knob Festival has been cancelled.
[1366.34] Tony: Well, Jack's not going then.
[1369.34] Curry: I'm the chairman.
[1373.34] Curry: I feel anywhere we turn up, there's a Knob Festival happening.
[1380.34] Tony: The only thing I am disappointed in is this GPS.
[1385.34] Tony: It still takes so long for it to work.
[1389.34] Tony: I was like...
[1390.34] Curry: Moving it around a bit.
[1393.34] Tony: Well, it's right at the back there,
[1396.34] Tony: but it's just so small.
[1398.34] Tony: I've seen the brain free, didn't you?
[1400.34] Tony: It works faster, but sorry, Jack.
[1404.34] Jack: Would you like me to configure it for you?
[1408.34] Jack: Well, fiddle around with it.
[1410.34] Jack: Well, yeah, I mean, like, you know,
[1413.34] Jack: is it GLANOS or whatever?
[1416.34] Jack: GLONASS.
[1417.34] Jack: GLONASS, that's it.
[1419.34] Jack: And set it to you block seven and stuff like that.
[1422.34] Jack: That might help.
[1423.34] Tony: Maybe if that will help, yeah.
[1425.34] Tony: Otherwise, I was thinking about getting the brain free D1
[1428.34] Tony: because I've seen that.
[1429.34] Curry: You're using crossfire now.
[1431.34] Curry: Are you using telemetry on crossfire?
[1433.34] Curry: No.
[1437.34] Curry: I had a GPS that did not like telemetry on 868.
[1442.34] Tony: I have reduced the number of SATs to, I think, safely.
[1448.34] Tony: It's six, I heard.
[1452.34] Tony: So I think I put it for six or something like that.
[1455.34] Curry: It's only beater flight anyway,
[1457.34] Curry: so return from home is sort of crashed closely.
[1459.34] Tony: I don't run this on beater flight.
[1461.34] Tony: I run it on EMU flight.
[1463.34] Curry: Well, they don't do a proper return to home, do they?
[1466.34] Tony: Well, it's not much of the return to home.
[1469.34] Tony: That would be literally if I panic
[1472.34] Tony: and just press the button and hope it comes home.
[1475.34] Tony: And that's if I lose orientation or whatever,
[1478.34] Tony: or my goggles fail on.
[1480.34] Tony: You know, it's so far away that you can't see it.
[1485.34] Jack: Why is he messaging in the chat when he's a host of the show?
[1489.34] Tony: I think he said he's fixing someone's...
[1492.34] Tony: No, he's done that last night.
[1497.78] Jack: He was sick of me and Sheldon arguing about what is gay
[1502.78] Jack: and what isn't.
[1505.78] Tony: Anyway, I'm going to try it a bit more,
[1509.78] Tony: or yeah, I don't know, or try a different one.
[1514.78] Tony: But Martin said something about you could try powering the...
[1519.78] Tony: I think you might have said it as well, Jack,
[1521.78] Tony: powering the GPS unit with a little separate battery
[1526.78] Tony: or something like a 1X.
[1528.78] Jack: Until you fly around and then the battery runs out
[1530.78] Jack: or something happens.
[1533.78] Tony: Yeah, the thing I wanted is,
[1535.78] Tony: Curry Kittens, do you want to give me your little buzzer
[1539.78] Tony: you got given?
[1541.78] Curry: No, I haven't finished testing it.
[1543.78] Curry: I've got to take it to a field and try and lose it.
[1546.78] Tony: After you've done that, send it to me, please.
[1549.78] Curry: I could give you one of the big ones.
[1551.78] Curry: I've got a spare big one about.
[1553.78] Tony: Yeah, a big one.
[1555.78] Jack: Can you text your daughter and ask her,
[1560.78] Jack: do she think that I could find a quad in a field?
[1563.78] Jack: Or do she think I'm that stupid? I can't.
[1566.78] Curry: Do you really want to know the answer to that?
[1568.78] Jack: Yeah, why not? Humiliate me more?
[1572.78] Jack: Bad enough, Tony doesn't even listen to me.
[1575.78] Tony: GMAC FPV, it's probably interference with the frame.
[1580.78] Tony: It's quite a fire.
[1582.78] Curry: She already had a go at Frank for being called the wrong name.
[1586.78] Curry: She thinks he doesn't know his name.
[1588.78] Curry: Sophie met Frank, I said that to Frank.
[1591.78] Curry: And she said, well, he introduced himself as Andrew.
[1594.78] Jack: That's weird.
[1597.78] Curry: She's off to a bad start there.
[1601.78] Jack: Does she know how this show works?
[1604.78] Curry: No.
[1606.78] Curry: Do we?
[1608.78] BlueOwl: No.
[1610.78] Curry: I flew something today.
[1612.78] Curry: I flew a whoop round the house and into the garden
[1617.78] Curry: because I was reviewing some basic goggles, which was quite good fun.
[1622.78] Curry: But it would be nice to fly a bit further and stuff.
[1626.78] Curry: But that was my exciting story for FPV done this week.
[1630.78] BlueOwl: All right.
[1632.78] BlueOwl: My exciting story is that I took everything apart.
[1635.78] BlueOwl: I like doing that from time to time.
[1637.78] Jack: That's my girl.
[1638.78] Jack: This is the camera.
[1640.78] Jack: She's like fireworks.
[1642.78] Jack: All of them.
[1644.78] Jack: Yes, perfect.
[1646.78] Jack: How many chords work?
[1647.78] Jack: None.
[1648.78] Jack: Great.
[1649.78] BlueOwl: None.
[1650.78] BlueOwl: Literally none.
[1651.78] BlueOwl: But I do it for a good reason.
[1653.78] BlueOwl: Usually I just do it from time to time because I love belongs.
[1657.78] Jack: I don't want her to ridicule her.
[1659.78] Jack: Come on.
[1660.78] Jack: It's only fair.
[1661.78] Jack: Equal rights.
[1662.78] Curry: But her sound works.
[1664.78] Curry: She's sort of there before she's done it.
[1666.78] Curry: Yeah.
[1667.78] Curry: After we moved it close enough to your face.
[1669.78] Tony: Why am I even here?
[1671.78] Tony: I can't even.
[1672.78] Tony: I can't even hear Jack.
[1674.78] Tony: Something in my brain just clicked.
[1677.78] Tony: Disengage.
[1680.78] Tony: I'm not sorry.
[1683.78] BlueOwl: I'm going to finish my exciting story.
[1687.78] Jack: Carry on.
[1689.78] BlueOwl: Okay.
[1691.78] BlueOwl: I will eventually.
[1693.78] Tony: I'm not.
[1702.78] BlueOwl: Okay.
[1704.78] BlueOwl: All right.
[1705.78] UNKNOWN: Shut up.
[1708.78] BlueOwl: So.
[1711.78] BlueOwl: No, that's okay.
[1714.78] Jack: Okay.
[1716.78] BlueOwl: So I do it from time to time because, you know, when you fly high heels,
[1719.78] BlueOwl: you really crashed super hard.
[1721.78] BlueOwl: I mean, I know that you guys all crashed super hard, but Heidi lives like
[1725.78] BlueOwl: particularly.
[1727.78] BlueOwl: Destroying the quads.
[1729.78] BlueOwl: So sometimes I take them apart and I find like, I don't know,
[1733.78] BlueOwl: cracked top plate or broken arm.
[1736.78] BlueOwl: But I didn't, didn't, didn't even see or like a bent frame part,
[1740.78] BlueOwl: whatever missing bolts.
[1742.78] BlueOwl: And, and it's awful.
[1744.78] BlueOwl: I don't know how these quads still fly.
[1746.78] BlueOwl: So what I do sometimes,
[1747.78] BlueOwl: I just take them apart and give them some love and clean them.
[1751.78] BlueOwl: Just make sure everything is in place.
[1753.78] BlueOwl: And then I put them back together,
[1755.78] BlueOwl: but I don't really replace anything or change the settings.
[1758.78] BlueOwl: Okay. It's just maintenance.
[1763.78] Curry: So you've got a justifiable reason for taking it apart.
[1766.78] Curry: I see.
[1767.78] Curry: That makes perfect sense.
[1769.78] BlueOwl: Exactly. Right.
[1784.78] BlueOwl: Sorry, Jack.
[1786.78] Jack: Firing a DJI Axi antenna out of my nose.
[1790.78] Tony: Oh, you found my antenna then?
[1792.78] Jack: Yeah, I stood on it.
[1794.78] Jack: A little pointy bit at the end when in my foot.
[1798.78] Jack: Oh, that's how you found it.
[1800.78] Jack: That's worse than Lego.
[1801.78] Frank: It was over by the sticker.
[1803.78] Frank: Why didn't the Roomba find it?
[1804.78] Frank: That's what I want to know.
[1805.78] Frank: The Roomba pushed it.
[1806.78] Frank: The Roomba pushed it over there probably.
[1808.78] Jack: It was in different place every time I went to look for it.
[1811.78] Tony: That Roomba is so dangerous for you.
[1814.78] Tony: It doesn't kill you.
[1816.78] Tony: It just tries to kill you.
[1818.78] Jack: It says cat for you.
[1820.78] Jack: I'm thinking about naming it after someone who hates me in my life.
[1825.78] Frank: I was just thinking it's just like the Home Alone Roomba.
[1828.78] Jack: That Roomba's a little arsehole.
[1830.78] Tony: I can't like it.
[1833.78] Jack: I've got a proper mark on the bottom of my foot as well from it.
[1837.78] Tony: Oh, bless.
[1839.78] Jack: I've never wished it to be a RPSMA so much in all my life.
[1843.78] Jack: No SMA.
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[1871.78] Curry: Just had a random thought about LEGO
[1874.78] Curry: because we can all agree that LEGO is a painful thing to stand on.
[1877.78] Curry: Something that seems to wind me up now
[1880.78] Curry: is when you hear an American show,
[1883.78] Curry: they talk about LEGOs,
[1885.78] Curry: like a LEGO is a single piece,
[1887.78] Curry: and thus the plural is LEGOs.
[1889.78] Curry: And I will have to say to them,
[1891.78] Curry: LEGO is the plural and the singular.
[1894.78] Jack: I hate that as well.
[1896.78] Jack: I really hate that.
[1899.78] Jack: I hate it as well.
[1900.78] Jack: Capillary.
[1901.78] Jack: It's capillary, God knows.
[1904.78] Jack: Even capillary.
[1906.78] Jack: I've never heard of that one before.
[1908.78] Jack: What, capillary action?
[1910.78] Jack: I hate that.
[1912.78] Jack: I've always seen a wrong US nose.
[1915.78] Jack: Oh my God.
[1917.78] Frank: Is this all coming out because it's now safe to make jokes about America again?
[1921.78] Frank: Math and maths.
[1923.78] Jack: I don't mind math.
[1925.78] Jack: That doesn't annoy me, like, capillary.
[1928.78] Jack: It's not even...
[1929.78] Jack: It's not even spelled like that.
[1930.78] Jack: And I don't even know how to spell, apparently.
[1933.78] Jack: Well, no, I mean...
[1934.78] Tony: Not apparently.
[1935.78] Jack: Can you even spell that?
[1939.78] Jack: I'll have a go. Hang on.
[1940.78] Jack: Let me just write in the chat.
[1941.78] Jack: You guys fluff on me.
[1944.78] Frank: We had some news items sent in by Robin FPV
[1948.78] Frank: if he's in the chat.
[1950.78] Frank: He took pity on us in the Discord
[1954.78] Frank: and sent in a few different things.
[1957.78] Frank: One was some images of the new battery...
[1963.78] Frank: Oh wait, we're in the God world now.
[1965.78] Jack: We're getting other people to do our work for us.
[1967.78] Jack: Are they sending copies?
[1969.78] Frank: It's the ability.
[1970.78] Frank: You know, it's hanging out of these things.
[1973.78] Curry: I've found something on my own, although I did steal it from Sean L.
[1978.78] Frank: How does that work?
[1980.78] Curry: Well, he didn't give it to me. I took it.
[1983.78] Frank: Second.
[1985.78] Frank: Yes, but that's surely more effort than someone sending it to you.
[1988.78] Frank: That's true.
[1989.78] Frank: But, you know, I wasn't making somebody do the job for me.
[1994.78] Frank: What was your information you found then, Gary?
[1998.78] Curry: My exciting thing, which I stole from Rob Thompson,
[2002.78] Curry: because he did a video about it, was a new speed record for dynamic soaring.
[2009.78] Curry: Have we heard of dynamic soaring before?
[2012.78] Curry: Yeah, yeah.
[2013.78] Curry: You're going to get a soaring plane,
[2015.78] Curry: and apparently you need a certain type of hill
[2017.78] Curry: with a certain amount of wind blowing up,
[2019.78] Curry: and that allows you, as you circle up and down a hill,
[2022.78] Curry: to increase your speed over and over again.
[2024.78] Curry: So what you get is this wacky video
[2026.78] Curry: where this plane with no engine or motor
[2029.78] Curry: is just going faster and faster and faster in this bizarre loop.
[2032.78] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2034.78] Curry: And it got up to 548 miles an hour.
[2036.78] Curry: Would you like to see the video?
[2039.78] Curry: Because I don't put it on my screen here.
[2042.78] Curry: Yeah, well, I don't think I can share the actual noise
[2045.78] Curry: because that would help me doing other stuff.
[2049.78] Jack: Oh, come on.
[2050.78] Jack: Mr. I can stream properly.
[2055.12] Curry: Then I can't hear myself.
[2056.12] Curry: So that is the glider.
[2057.12] Curry: Apparently this is a 65-mile-an-hour wind blowing up this hill,
[2061.12] Curry: and it's quite hard to see because it's this little tiny shape
[2064.12] Curry: going around and around and around.
[2066.12] Curry: And all during this thing,
[2068.12] Curry: this guy's with a speed gun and he's shouting out speed,
[2071.12] Curry: and it's like over 500 miles an hour pretty quickly.
[2074.12] Curry: So it gets faster all the time?
[2075.12] Curry: It gets faster and faster.
[2077.12] Curry: And I struggle with line of sight.
[2080.12] Tony: I can see line of sight.
[2082.12] Curry: But at 500-plus miles an hour,
[2084.12] Curry: can you imagine the accuracy you need?
[2086.12] Curry: Don't touch the sticks too much at 500 miles an hour
[2089.12] Curry: because I was just trying to work out as well
[2092.12] Curry: the sort of g-force involved.
[2094.12] Curry: Has it not, Pat?
[2095.12] Curry: Yeah, if you're putting a plane into that tight a turn
[2097.12] Curry: at 500-plus miles an hour.
[2099.12] Curry: That's incredible. That's so fast.
[2102.12] Curry: That's mental.
[2103.12] Curry: There's not many people I know that could fly that.
[2105.12] Curry: And I don't think...
[2106.12] Curry: It's one of the few things I would say that would be better FPV
[2109.12] Curry: because that would be absolutely fine.
[2111.12] BlueOwl: Yeah, that would be horrible.
[2117.12] Curry: But yeah.
[2118.12] Curry: So yeah, 548 miles an hour flying around and around in circles,
[2121.12] Curry: but in a more exciting way
[2123.12] Curry: than the normal line of sight flying around in circles,
[2125.12] Curry: I think it would be better.
[2127.12] Tony: If he was wearing sandals and socks,
[2129.12] Tony: I'd still talk to him because that's quite cool.
[2132.12] Tony: Yeah.
[2133.12] Frank: I would pay quite a lot of money to see...
[2136.12] Frank: have an FPV camera on there
[2138.12] Frank: and have Tony drunk on a Saturday evening
[2140.12] Frank: watching that feed.
[2141.12] Frank: Yeah, try and stand up.
[2143.12] Curry: He was starting to get sick with his own flying, wasn't he?
[2146.12] Curry: That was the good thing about this thing.
[2148.12] UNKNOWN: Yes.
[2149.12] Tony: Yes.
[2150.12] Tony: I think that's probably why Bluelle wants to...
[2154.12] Tony: I'm on, so she can see you jump.
[2156.12] Tony: No.
[2159.12] BlueOwl: I just want to see the world burn.
[2162.12] BlueOwl: That's all I want.
[2167.12] Tony: So, Saturday nights.
[2170.12] Tony: Cute fest with Tony.
[2172.12] Tony: On Curry, Kit and Sim.
[2174.12] Tony: Maybe a year and a half ago when I got food poisoning from a cucumber.
[2183.12] Jack: Are you...
[2184.12] Jack: Oh yeah, I remember that.
[2186.12] Jack: Are you one of these people that
[2188.12] Jack: has to take their shirt off to vomit?
[2191.12] Jack: No, normally.
[2198.01] Jack: Apparently there's three types of people.
[2200.01] Jack: Well, there's three types of people.
[2202.01] Jack: There's people who need to take their shirt off to poop.
[2205.01] Jack: People who have to take their shirt off to vomit.
[2208.01] Jack: And then other people that can't take their shirt off.
[2210.01] Jack: I am the can't take my shirt off.
[2215.01] Tony: I was naked, so I was...
[2218.01] Jack: You were naked.
[2219.01] Tony: Yeah.
[2220.01] Jack: Yeah, see?
[2221.01] Jack: You just did the whole process.
[2223.01] Curry: You just went in, you don't want to get on your phone.
[2225.01] Curry: Mental image.
[2226.01] Curry: So, you could have avoided vomiting just by putting a shirt on.
[2229.01] Curry: Is this what you're saying?
[2231.01] Jack: Maybe.
[2232.01] Jack: I don't know.
[2233.01] Jack: I remember that.
[2236.26] Curry: I've never heard of it.
[2238.26] Curry: There are a few types of people before.
[2240.26] Curry: Those who have to take their shirt off to vomit and those who don't.
[2244.26] Curry: That is the weirdest demographic split ever.
[2247.26] Curry: Congrats.
[2250.26] Jack: And why do people have to take their shirt off to poo?
[2253.26] Jack: What are you doing with this half of their potty?
[2255.26] Jack: It's just...
[2256.26] Jack: It might blow back up.
[2258.26] Jack: No, I think...
[2260.26] Jack: It's a...
[2261.26] Jack: It's a...
[2262.26] Jack: It's particularly like taxing.
[2264.26] Jack: So, the news that was...
[2266.26] Jack: I would know.
[2267.26] Jack: Robin, FPV.
[2269.26] Frank: Thank you.
[2273.26] Frank: The DJI battery for the DJI FPV drone.
[2278.26] Jack: No one cares.
[2280.26] Jack: Deep poop with your shirt on or off.
[2284.26] Curry: What do you call someone that can poop with their shirt on or off?
[2287.26] Curry: It's an ambidextrous pillar or...?
[2289.26] Curry: Yeah, man, totally.
[2290.26] Curry: Cool.
[2292.26] Tony: I feel like it's just the battery for the new FPV.
[2296.26] Tony: Yeah.
[2297.26] Frank: So, the connectors are these kind of weird metal bits set into...
[2301.26] Frank: So, they look kind of a bit like...
[2304.26] Frank: It's a bit like electricity connectors.
[2306.26] Frank: It's a good one, isn't it?
[2307.26] Curry: In terms of how big they are and guessing how many cells they are.
[2311.26] Frank: They're quite junky.
[2313.26] Frank: Yeah, they're pretty sizable.
[2316.26] Frank: And they've got, you know, a button and LEDs on it.
[2319.26] Frank: So, presumably it's...
[2320.26] Tony: A button to press and then press and hold and all that.
[2324.26] Tony: It wouldn't be DJI if it didn't...
[2326.26] Tony: Do we know?
[2327.26] Tony: Is it 6S, 2S, 3S?
[2329.26] Frank: Do we know?
[2331.26] Frank: Can we do a thing on that later?
[2334.26] Frank: If that was in the notes...
[2337.26] Curry: I wonder if DJI insists that you have to charge them via USB
[2341.26] Curry: and they take about 14 hours each if they're like 6S battery.
[2344.26] Jack: Umskull says 6S.
[2346.26] Jack: He's way smarter than us.
[2347.26] Jack: There we go.
[2348.26] Tony: Thanks, Lumskull.
[2350.26] Tony: It's always good to have our listeners in tune.
[2353.26] Tony: I know.
[2354.26] Jack: Weird zero.
[2355.26] Jack: Zero used to know everything.
[2356.26] Jack: I know.
[2358.26] Jack: I missed you, right?
[2359.26] Frank: Yeah, so that was one bit of news that Robin found for us.
[2363.26] Frank: Was this kind of weird new connector with a few other little connectors in there as well.
[2367.26] Frank: And, yeah, there's that.
[2370.26] Frank: There was this...
[2372.26] Frank: Mr. Cake?
[2373.26] Curry: You're going to have to summarise there, Frank.
[2375.26] Frank: Yeah.
[2377.26] Curry: Tony Cake...
[2378.26] Curry: Not the regulations.
[2380.26] Frank: I haven't read all this either.
[2381.26] Frank: Tony Cake's got some news about the ghost.
[2384.26] Frank: Yeah, it's a sexy show.
[2385.26] Frank: He's doing some new things on there.
[2388.26] Frank: That's still kind of going through, so...
[2391.26] Frank: I don't know if anyone of us or anyone else has got any of the ghost.
[2397.26] Frank: So, anyone's running the ghost?
[2399.26] Frank: No, the ghost.
[2400.26] Tony: No.
[2401.26] Jack: I've tried it.
[2402.26] Jack: Sorry for the giving to him.
[2404.26] Frank: Oh, yeah.
[2405.26] Frank: Oh, yeah.
[2406.26] Frank: Curry, yes.
[2407.26] Frank: How are you getting on with it, Curry?
[2409.26] Curry: Well, I haven't...
[2410.26] Curry: It's been working great in the test I did.
[2413.26] Curry: No, actually, I found an error in it, which got fixed up in a previous update.
[2418.26] Curry: But since that time, we've not been able to do anything, so I haven't done anything.
[2422.26] Curry: I do have some bench testing to do because I wanted to, for example,
[2426.26] Curry: try plugging it into a non-tramp VTX that spoke tramp and see if that still worked.
[2432.26] Curry: Because one of the things you can do from it is directly attach it to a tramp
[2435.26] Curry: and it will change to VTX.
[2437.26] Curry: And so it will save you an extra URL, potentially, that way.
[2441.26] Curry: Hmm.
[2442.26] Curry: And, well, try the Mac version of the updater as well,
[2448.26] Curry: because they only had a Windows version previously, but there's a Mac beater out there.
[2452.26] Jack: Really, even though he develops on Mac?
[2456.26] Jack: Hey!
[2457.26] Jack: A bit light, isn't it?
[2458.26] Jack: Oh, okay.
[2459.26] Jack: Hello, everyone.
[2460.26] Jack: The thing says he's had a...
[2461.26] Jack: What time do you call this?
[2462.26] Jack: ...arrive.
[2463.26] Jack: Sorry, I'm out.
[2464.26] Jack: Yeah, try not to ovulate.
[2467.26] Jack: You're looking...
[2470.26] Jack: N.J., are you a shirt on or off guy?
[2477.26] NJ: Where's the leave button?
[2480.26] NJ: I need a runway button.
[2481.26] Jack: No, I've probably done Sheldon's heading.
[2483.26] Jack: I can unmute myself.
[2485.26] Jack: I'll give you ten minutes.
[2486.26] Jack: Settle in.
[2487.26] NJ: I was coming in to say...
[2489.26] NJ: Well, obviously, because I finished my food,
[2491.26] NJ: I didn't want to put you through having a watch me eat.
[2493.26] NJ: But, yes, that glider carries.
[2495.26] NJ: It's an excess of 100 Gs, that thing did.
[2498.26] NJ: There's no question.
[2499.26] Curry: So, is the construction of it particularly special,
[2502.26] Curry: because it can't just be your regular little tiny carbon rod going through the wall?
[2506.26] Curry: No, yes.
[2507.26] NJ: Yeah, they are just massively reinforced to be able to deal with the amount of G force
[2513.26] NJ: that they're put through.
[2514.26] NJ: Colossal.
[2515.26] NJ: I mean, regular manned gliders are actually...
[2519.26] NJ: I'll give you an example.
[2521.26] NJ: One of the best dogfighting planes in the world,
[2523.26] NJ: which is all about pulling Gs and turning and shooting stuff,
[2526.26] NJ: is an F-16, which pulls about seven and a half Gs,
[2529.26] NJ: consistent, which is enough to make you feel pretty uncomfortable.
[2532.26] NJ: Most gliders, like normal decent gliders that you see,
[2536.26] NJ: will do up to nine Gs, I think,
[2539.26] NJ: which gives you an idea, just like your regular half-decent gliders
[2543.26] NJ: that people can go out and fly and get lessons in.
[2546.26] Curry: Yeah, I think if you put somebody in 100G,
[2549.26] Curry: you'd be able to put them in a little glass of water, wouldn't you?
[2552.26] NJ: 100%, yeah.
[2554.26] NJ: They'd be in all kinds of trouble.
[2556.26] NJ: But, yeah, it was measured somewhere or calculated roughly 100Gs,
[2561.26] NJ: which is just insane to think about.
[2563.26] NJ: I mean, if that did fail, it would be just a colossal massive failure.
[2568.26] NJ: And, yeah, transonic.
[2570.26] NJ: So, pretty much on the verge of heading towards the speed of sound,
[2575.26] NJ: so a transonic period where you're starting to get the pressure wave
[2578.26] NJ: built up in front of the aircraft, which is...
[2580.26] Curry: So, as you seem to know a lot about this, N.J.,
[2583.26] Curry: and I'll ask you if you ever tried it, is it possible to get it faster?
[2586.26] Curry: Can an under-moted glider get to a supersonic speed
[2590.26] Curry: in that method with the right circumstances?
[2593.26] NJ: Well, the thing is, with trans...
[2597.26] NJ: I think transonic's actually meant to be...
[2600.26] NJ: It's measured in zero wind.
[2602.26] NJ: So, I don't know exactly what would happen
[2605.26] NJ: as you actually approach the speed of sound.
[2608.26] NJ: In a glider that's doing that slope soaring technique,
[2615.26] NJ: don't know is the answer. Don't know.
[2619.26] Curry: It would be interesting to find out.
[2623.11] Curry: It looks like they were up to 500mph limit, fairly easy.
[2628.11] Curry: But they were sort of creeping, creeping, creeping.
[2630.11] Curry: So, I don't know what has to change,
[2632.11] Curry: whether it's all about the amount of wind coming up the slope
[2635.11] Curry: or the slope profile or whatever that could affect it.
[2638.11] NJ: The wind profile's a big one,
[2640.11] NJ: and that's why a lot of aircraft that are designed to go supersonic
[2643.11] NJ: have a delta-wing, because you get this pressure wave
[2646.11] NJ: in front of the aircraft,
[2648.11] NJ: and that pressure wave will basically start
[2653.11] NJ: destroying lift at the front of the aerofoil
[2655.11] NJ: and actually pushing this pressure wave further back
[2658.11] NJ: along the leading edge of the aircraft.
[2661.11] NJ: And that's where the delta-wing kind of comes into its own
[2665.11] NJ: and how it's streamlining air around it.
[2668.11] NJ: The Tomcat was a really clever plane,
[2670.11] NJ: because that was the one, if you remember, the old Top Gun plane,
[2673.11] NJ: where the wings would fold out.
[2675.11] NJ: But then to go supersonic, it would fold into a delta-wing.
[2680.11] NJ: But yeah, the plane has to be set up for it,
[2682.11] NJ: because planes that don't have the right wing profile for that
[2685.11] NJ: will just actually overspeed.
[2688.11] NJ: And then you can have a situation where you get an overspeed stall.
[2691.11] NJ: And when you get commercial airliners flying very, very high
[2695.11] NJ: in very thin atmosphere,
[2697.11] NJ: they get to a point where they'll go so fast,
[2701.11] NJ: to the point where they're actually approaching the speed limit
[2704.11] NJ: where they can have that problem
[2706.11] NJ: where you'll stall the plane from going too fast, your overspeed.
[2709.11] NJ: But then the altitude's so high
[2712.11] NJ: that if you slow down not much far behind that,
[2715.11] NJ: you could stall in a traditional sense.
[2717.11] NJ: So you have the airspeed speed limit coming in,
[2720.11] NJ: and you have the stall speed limit coming in from behind,
[2724.11] NJ: and that is an area called Coughing Corner for aircraft.
[2730.11] NJ: So when you get commercial airliners,
[2732.11] NJ: that's basically their height and speed limit,
[2734.11] NJ: because both sides of the overspeed and the underspeed
[2737.11] NJ: start doing this as you get higher.
[2740.11] NJ: And then some airliners,
[2742.11] NJ: but there was one we flew in where we did this,
[2744.11] NJ: okay, try not to name drop here,
[2746.11] NJ: but we did set a high-altitude gig record
[2749.11] NJ: with British Airways a while back.
[2752.11] NJ: And we did that in a 737,
[2754.11] NJ: and we were at 40-something thousand feet up.
[2757.11] NJ: And when I spoke to the pilots,
[2759.11] NJ: I said how far, because we were trying to get an altitude record,
[2762.11] NJ: how far were we from stalling or overspeeding?
[2765.11] NJ: And he said, actually, we had the autopilots on,
[2768.11] NJ: we had clear weather, so we're able to do this,
[2771.11] NJ: but we're actually about seven knots from overspeeding
[2774.11] NJ: and about seven to eight knots from stalling.
[2776.11] NJ: Wow.
[2778.11] NJ: No, we didn't have a clue until we landed,
[2781.11] NJ: and I was sitting there thinking,
[2782.11] NJ: so we're back there doing this gig,
[2785.11] NJ: and the whole time we were within knots of falling out.
[2791.11] BlueOwl: Is there any way to recover from that, though?
[2796.11] NJ: Yeah, I mean, if you overspeed or underspeed stall,
[2800.11] NJ: you've got the same problem, you've got to get down into,
[2803.11] NJ: I mean, it's very uncomfortable for passengers,
[2805.11] NJ: because you're falling out.
[2807.11] Tony: Go on, go on, go on.
[2808.11] NJ: Yeah, you need to regain air speed,
[2810.11] NJ: get to a lower altitude where there's more air molecules,
[2812.11] NJ: you can get more laminar airflow under the wings
[2815.11] NJ: and start making the aircraft fly again.
[2817.11] NJ: So the long and short answer is you're pointing down to prime,
[2821.11] NJ: which is not going to be...
[2822.11] NJ: You're going to spill your gin and tonic.
[2825.11] BlueOwl: Are you telling me that you did all this
[2827.11] BlueOwl: with the passengers on board?
[2830.11] NJ: So this was...
[2832.11] BlueOwl: Did they sign up for it?
[2833.11] NJ: This was a special event,
[2835.11] NJ: but the event was to set the highest altitude gig in the world.
[2839.11] NJ: We were taking the record off of James Blunt,
[2842.11] NJ: who had the highest altitude gig at that point,
[2845.11] NJ: and there was...
[2847.11] NJ: The artist I was playing with, plus Tony Hadley,
[2850.11] NJ: was there from Spandau Ballet,
[2852.11] NJ: and there was a couple of other artists that we were playing,
[2855.11] NJ: but they'd taken business class,
[2858.11] NJ: ripped a bunch of seats out and put an area for us to perform,
[2862.11] NJ: and then the rest of that was basically people
[2865.11] NJ: who'd won the competition to come and be the audience,
[2868.11] NJ: and then the back half of the plane was empty.
[2871.11] NJ: So there was only probably about, I don't know,
[2874.11] NJ: 20, 30 of us in total in this plane.
[2878.11] NJ: But yeah, that was an interesting thing to find out
[2881.11] NJ: about the coffee and corner thing.
[2885.11] Tony: This is why SpaceX throttles down.
[2888.11] Tony: No, no, they throttle back.
[2891.11] NJ: I wouldn't want to comment on rocket science,
[2894.11] NJ: because that is a literal thing, isn't it, rocket science?
[2898.11] NJ: They do throttle back.
[2900.11] NJ: What's the name of that new one that they made recently,
[2904.11] NJ: the one that blew up, that was just like the best live TV ever when it did?
[2910.11] NJ: What was going on?
[2914.11] NJ: That was getting into, that was using drag,
[2918.11] NJ: so basically it laid flat on its side.
[2921.11] NJ: You tried to slow it down,
[2924.11] NJ: rather than just have to put in so much fuel into slowing the thing down.
[2929.11] NJ: It used its own body and air surface to actually slow down
[2934.11] NJ: and then kick the tail out.
[2936.11] Tony: They really did it as well.
[2938.11] NJ: Yeah, one of the engines painted itself, basically,
[2942.11] NJ: which is why it didn't manage it.
[2944.11] NJ: But the next test of that would be brilliant.
[2946.11] NJ: I'm not going to lie, I was hoping for the explosion,
[2949.11] NJ: and I was like, come on, it's a prototype.
[2955.11] NJ: Yeah, it's not our money then.
[2957.11] NJ: That's an important thing.
[2959.11] NJ: That's Elon's pocket change, is what that is.
[2962.11] NJ: Yeah, pretty much.
[2964.11] NJ: But yeah, super interesting.
[2968.11] NJ: So yeah, at least we've taught some technical stuff.
[2971.11] NJ: Sorry to take you off the subject of how you dress when taking a poop, Jack.
[2977.11] BlueOwl: Yeah, that was interesting.
[2981.11] Frank: Best bit of the show.
[2983.11] Frank: While we were still on technical things,
[2986.11] Frank: I was going to drop the last news item I had,
[2990.11] Frank: which was, that's not what we were all with.
[2996.11] Frank: That's the one I went with a new super capacitor design
[3003.11] Frank: that they've been testing using graphene,
[3006.11] Frank: which already flags up a few red flags.
[3009.11] Frank: But either way, they've got it now to the point
[3013.11] Frank: where they've got energy density of these super capacitors
[3016.11] Frank: up against the same sort of energy density
[3019.11] Frank: we have with nickel metal hydride,
[3022.11] Frank: which is like, okay,
[3024.11] Frank: I'm actually talking about some sensible kinds of things there.
[3029.11] Frank: And obviously they've got power density that's just ridiculous
[3032.11] Frank: because it's a super capacitor.
[3034.11] Frank: But it means we're kind of at the point where
[3038.11] Frank: if they can solve the problem of graphene,
[3042.11] Frank: which is making lots of it,
[3044.11] Frank: then we could get some very interesting applications for quads.
[3050.11] Tony: Isn't it just...
[3052.11] NJ: It really does.
[3053.11] NJ: It'll be quite light as well, won't they?
[3056.11] NJ: The only thing that scares me about this technology,
[3059.11] NJ: and it did the first time I ever heard about it,
[3061.11] NJ: is just the idea of incredible energy density
[3066.11] NJ: in very small spaces.
[3068.11] NJ: It's really more about energy release
[3071.11] NJ: when things don't go the way they're meant to,
[3074.11] NJ: that I'd be more concerned about if that was in my car.
[3077.11] NJ: But all my quad.
[3079.11] NJ: So I'd be interested to see the testing on that.
[3082.11] NJ: A couple of guys in the chat,
[3084.11] NJ: Caroline Talspin, have said Starship SN8
[3089.11] NJ: was the name of that rocket, that's the one.
[3092.11] Curry: The question is, because it was small
[3095.11] Curry: and I'm stupid and don't understand supercapacitors,
[3098.11] Curry: if they could get this supercapacitor technology
[3100.11] Curry: into the size of, let's say, a 1500 forest battery,
[3103.11] Curry: then what equivalent sort of power would that give?
[3106.11] Curry: How long could you fly your quad for
[3108.11] Curry: on the same sort of battery size with the...
[3111.11] Frank: You'd probably have something like
[3114.11] Frank: 500 million powers in it or something,
[3116.11] Frank: so not as much million powers in it,
[3119.11] Frank: but you'd be able to do like 1000C.
[3123.11] NJ: Right, so that's what they're about, exactly.
[3126.11] NJ: It's the fact that you...
[3127.11] NJ: And it's not just the out, it's the in.
[3130.11] NJ: You could also charge them incredibly fast.
[3134.11] NJ: Could you use your braking to recharge, like they do?
[3139.11] NJ: That's probably it.
[3141.11] NJ: I mean, it would be such a small...
[3143.11] NJ: Because you've got high volts,
[3144.11] NJ: but you've got low amps with braking.
[3146.11] NJ: That's a difference.
[3147.11] NJ: Much in the same way that a Taser works,
[3149.11] NJ: if you're at all interested now.
[3151.11] NJ: Not familiar with Taser.
[3153.11] NJ: I mean, Sheldon's weekend.
[3156.11] NJ: That's the technology side of things that people like
[3159.11] NJ: Tesla are going to be interested in.
[3161.11] NJ: It's the fact that there's a lot of waiting around with charging.
[3164.11] NJ: There's not when you're filling up a tank of gas.
[3167.11] NJ: So, at the point where you can plug into that.
[3172.11] NJ: We're keeping it global, Jack.
[3174.11] Jack: You and your Legos over there.
[3176.11] Jack: Oh, I'm not that bad.
[3177.11] NJ: I'm with Kerry Kitten on the Lego plumes.
[3180.11] Curry: Yeah, we said anytime you said Betaflight,
[3183.11] Curry: you'd be saying Delta next.
[3185.11] NJ: I'd get to move between the... Oh, no.
[3188.11] NJ: But, yeah, that's the super capacitor thing,
[3191.11] NJ: is absolutely, it's incredibly high discharge,
[3194.11] NJ: but also the fact that you can charge them incredibly quickly.
[3198.11] NJ: So, yeah, for cars, it means that you're...
[3201.11] NJ: It could be like, if you've got the power to do so,
[3203.11] NJ: it means you can charge your car in 30 seconds,
[3206.11] NJ: and then you're at full and you could go again.
[3209.11] NJ: And the same for...
[3210.11] NJ: Good for phones, then?
[3213.11] NJ: Good for everything.
[3214.11] NJ: Any improvement in battery technology is...
[3217.11] NJ: It's going to be useful for all of us, so...
[3220.11] Curry: I expect, well, come out and suddenly Banggood,
[3222.11] Curry: I have some cheat and then people will start complaining
[3224.11] Curry: that my super capacitor voltage is sagging all the time
[3227.11] Curry: for Banggood.
[3228.11] Curry: That is the thing, is it is pure voltage sag.
[3231.11] Frank: It is just...
[3232.11] Frank: Forget about having a nice linear
[3234.11] Frank: and then it's gradually dropping off.
[3236.11] Frank: It is just, from the very moment you start using it,
[3239.11] Frank: it will be sagging,
[3240.11] Frank: which is why you need such high voltages with it,
[3242.11] Frank: because it will start off at, you know...
[3244.11] Frank: Forget about having a cell voltage of, you know, 4 volts.
[3249.11] Frank: You'll need a cell voltage of like 400 volts, 40 volts,
[3253.11] Frank: something like that.
[3254.11] Frank: You know, just a ridiculously high voltage for your cells,
[3258.11] Frank: but then as soon as you start taking anything out,
[3260.11] Frank: it will just drop off.
[3262.11] NJ: So any of you old-school RC guys that used to...
[3266.11] NJ: Or anyone that used to get the old 9-volt batteries
[3269.11] NJ: and test they were okay by putting them on your tongue,
[3272.11] NJ: never ever do that with super capacitors,
[3275.11] NJ: because your tongue will literally explode.
[3277.11] NJ: That's just something you're thinking of.
[3279.11] Jack: Barbecue.
[3280.11] NJ: It will just be gone.
[3282.11] Jack: Yeah.
[3284.11] Curry: So I see a good market here in FPV quads that are also tasers.
[3289.11] Curry: So...
[3291.11] Jack: Exactly.
[3292.11] Jack: If you want a really good video on super capacitors
[3296.11] Jack: that we could all understand and relate to,
[3298.11] Jack: Tom Stanton does a little rocket video on it
[3302.11] Jack: where he, funny enough, makes kind of like a SpaceX rocket
[3307.11] Jack: with a super capacitor, charges it up very quickly,
[3311.11] Jack: and then releases it and it launches,
[3313.11] Jack: and it's quite a good episode.
[3314.11] Jack: A lot of 3D printing in that, so...
[3317.11] Jack: If you want to check that out, it's a really good episode.
[3323.11] Curry: Cool.
[3325.11] Curry: Can we mention the story that you guys shared earlier in our chat
[3329.11] Curry: about the police drone?
[3332.11] Curry: That was quite funny, once I read it.
[3335.11] Curry: Which was essentially some...
[3336.11] Curry: I forgot the name of the police force,
[3338.11] Curry: but one of their office...
[3340.11] Curry: drone opportunities was flying a drone,
[3342.11] Curry: and a pop-up came up, so he just mashed at it
[3345.11] Curry: and didn't understand that it was the emergency shut-off,
[3348.11] Curry: and so their drone went 70 feet down into a pond,
[3351.11] Curry: and presumably drowned.
[3352.11] Frank: About 10 minutes away from where Tony is.
[3355.11] Curry: Yeah, so it's probably...
[3357.11] Curry: Tony was probably stood in these vans suspiciously with goggles on.
[3363.11] Tony: From where they started?
[3365.11] Frank: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3367.11] Frank: All these things happen, they're all 10 minutes away from Tony.
[3371.11] Frank: I think not.
[3372.11] Tony: I'm going to get mixed, you know...
[3374.11] Jack: I just hope there's never, ever a prostitute in that woods.
[3380.11] Jack: Can you imagine having to explain,
[3383.11] Jack: no officer is a complete joke,
[3385.11] Jack: Tony was the most loveliest people I've ever met.
[3388.11] Jack: I know you've got over a million hours of me being a dick to him,
[3392.11] Jack: but honestly, he's just a window cleaner
[3396.11] Jack: who pretends to think the earth's flat.
[3399.11] Jack: Yeah.
[3400.11] Curry: It was all that mountain bike footage,
[3403.11] Curry: saying there's a lump there, what's that?
[3407.11] NJ: What was in the backpack that they saw?
[3410.11] NJ: You're the only person I know that essentially sees a fire
[3414.11] NJ: and runs towards it, Tony.
[3416.11] NJ: I don't know what this thing is...
[3419.11] NJ: It's not a dream.
[3420.11] NJ: Yeah.
[3423.11] Tony: It's very flaky.
[3424.11] Tony: I was listening to Fire in the Sky today,
[3426.11] Tony: you know, Travis Walton, where he got abducted by aliens
[3429.11] Tony: and he ran towards the spaceship and then got abducted.
[3432.11] Tony: So that's the same kind of thing.
[3434.11] Tony: I think I'd probably do that as well.
[3436.11] Curry: It's an abduction if you're literally jumping onto the spaceship.
[3439.11] Tony: Tony Bean! Tony Bean!
[3441.11] Tony: I don't know why.
[3443.11] Tony: I'd literally go so bored here.
[3445.11] Tony: Being stupid capacitors.
[3449.11] Curry: Have any of you guys...
[3451.11] Curry: Shirts on or shirts off for alien probing,
[3454.11] Curry: is the next question.
[3456.11] Jack: Shirts off.
[3457.11] Jack: It's got to be off.
[3461.11] Tony: Oh, dear.
[3462.11] Jack: When I got last probed,
[3464.11] Jack: I had to put my boxes on the wrong way round.
[3468.11] Jack: I'll be back.
[3471.11] Frank: That's the end.
[3473.11] Frank: I think that's time to end the show.
[3475.11] Jack: No worries.
[3476.11] Jack: Guys, thank you so much.
[3478.11] Jack: We'll be opening a poll in the Discord
[3480.11] Jack: whether you poop with your shirt on and off.
[3482.11] Jack: Blue Owl.
[3484.11] NJ: Can I just also, just quickly,
[3486.11] NJ: I have to jump to the defence of Blue Owl on this one.
[3489.11] NJ: They're taking apart your quad
[3491.11] NJ: for nothing more than to clean everything,
[3494.11] NJ: inspect it, put it back together.
[3499.11] Curry: You can come to the defence of people that upgrade meaninglessly
[3504.11] Curry: because they always want the latest version of stuff as well.
[3507.11] Curry: But aside from you and Jack, that's it.
[3509.11] Curry: You're on your own.
[3511.11] Jack: At least I don't sell my bike to Clint.
[3513.11] Jack: That's all I'll say.
[3516.11] BlueOwl: Jack, I just hope you were listening when AJ was talking.
[3521.11] BlueOwl: You wrote the message, right?
[3525.11] BlueOwl: It does make sense.
[3527.11] BlueOwl: Thanks.
[3530.11] NJ: I can't sit there and have a drone sat next to me
[3532.11] NJ: and it's got mud and there's bits.
[3534.11] NJ: I can't do it.
[3535.11] NJ: It can't be in the house if it's going to look like that.
[3537.11] NJ: It's character.
[3538.11] NJ: No, it's not character.
[3540.11] NJ: I already know what your car looks like if you've got one.
[3543.11] Frank: I don't have one.
[3544.11] Frank: So that solves that problem.
[3547.36] Jack: It's funny about the door seals one day.
[3550.36] Frank: Oh, yeah.
[3551.36] Frank: I mean, there's various cars I've driven
[3553.36] Frank: and you can imagine the state of them.
[3555.36] Jack: Why do you think these middle names Colin?
[3558.36] Tony: Colin McRae, isn't it?
[3560.36] Jack: Yeah.
[3561.36] Jack: That was on the trip.
[3563.36] Tony: They weren't mine.
[3565.36] Tony: It's fine.
[3566.36] Tony: On the back roads.
[3567.36] Tony: Bloody hell.
[3568.36] Tony: No way.
[3569.36] Jack: If you want to get stranded with me, I'm your man.
[3573.36] Jack: Right.
[3574.36] Jack: Anyway, thank you.
[3575.36] Jack: We'll be opening the poll.
[3577.36] Jack: I'm sure Blue Owl is a shirt off kind of girl.
[3580.36] Jack: The lovely Blue Owl tonight.
[3582.36] BlueOwl: Bye.
[3583.36] Jack: Tony, as we know, is definitely a shirt off kind of guy.
[3587.36] Jack: What's your multiple times on the show?
[3590.36] Jack: Yeah, that's a point.
[3592.36] Jack: Fair play, Frank.
[3594.36] Jack: Curry kitten very much like me, a shirt on kind of guy.
[3598.36] Curry: I can go either way.
[3600.36] Jack: Goodbye.
[3602.36] Jack: Frank, I'm too scared of you to ask.
[3605.36] Jack: Thank you for joining us, Frank.
[3607.36] Jack: Bye.
[3608.36] Jack: It's a crime against humanity if that shirt always stays on, NJ Tech.
[3614.36] NJ: I've only thrown my head in my hands four times in the 15 minutes I've been on.
[3620.36] Jack: I will take a day off.
[3622.36] Jack: Next week's show will either be one of the best shows ever
[3625.36] Jack: or one of the worst shows ever.
[3627.36] Jack: And it might be the last Let's Throw Now.
[3631.36] Jack: So tune in to either be well impressed or more than likely totally disappointed.
[3637.36] Frank: I mean, I'm intrigued.
[3639.36] Frank: I have no idea what you're talking about.
[3641.36] Jack: Yeah.
[3642.36] Jack: No worries.
[3643.36] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3644.36] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Throw Now.
[3645.36] Jack: We love you all.
[3646.36] Jack: We love our Patreons.
[3647.36] Jack: Thank you.
[3648.36] Tony: Good night.
[3649.36] Tony: Bye.
[3650.36] UNKNOWN: Telemetry lost.