=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 285 ===
Title: LDO 285 - Snow Joke
Recorded: 2021-02-11
Hosts: Neil "NJ Tech" Jones, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna
Guest(s): Sheldon "Drone Doctor" Holy
Total audience: 1,699
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMvZ9u2XZqg); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/984768766-letsdroneout-ldo-285-snow-joke.mp3)
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[0.0] BlueOwl: Well, I have a good day. I'm so grumpy today, guys.
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[55.29] Jack: Good morning and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[57.29] Jack: Tonight you're joined by our master and overlord who suffered a great loss today.
[65.29] Jack: Well, will you remember Great Big Bertha or Dorothy?
[71.29] Frank: I had to wave off Bill, Ben and Buttercup today, yes.
[74.29] Frank: Yes.
[75.29] Jack: We salute you.
[77.29] Jack: Will you join by my little vegan sausage, Tony?
[80.29] Jack: Bonjour.
[82.29] Jack: If he tries to sell you a cat, it really is a dog.
[86.29] Jack: Speaking of cats, everyone's favourite, Curry Kitten.
[91.29] Jack: Hello.
[92.29] Jack: Can we get a disclaimer?
[93.29] Curry: Any views expressed by any guests on this show?
[95.29] Curry: Personal and may not reflect the views of others.
[98.29] Curry: Don't listen to us. Not that we're going to say anything controversial because no one's done anything.
[103.29] Jack: The wonderful Blue Owl.
[105.29] BlueOwl: Hi, everyone.
[107.29] Jack: The beautiful NJ Tech.
[110.29] NJ: Hello, everyone.
[113.29] Jack: And we will get a weekly presentation on aerodynamics and DCS.
[119.29] Jack: Which is Digital Combat Simulator, is that right?
[124.29] Jack: Don't let me involve that. This will become a whole other thing.
[127.29] Jack: I will be your radar officer, something or other, Gib Guy in Back.
[134.29] Jack: Jack, how's it going?
[136.29] Frank: Was the V1 of something or other with a jet?
[140.29] NJ: That's just commercial aviation.
[144.29] NJ: He's V1 as well.
[145.29] NJ: That's your decision speed.
[146.29] NJ: We've either got a break or we've got to commit to a take off.
[149.29] Jack: Oh, God, he's loving it.
[152.29] NJ: That'll do me in anyway.
[156.29] Jack: How was the aerodynamic circle, Jack, my friend?
[160.29] NJ: This is going to mean nothing to anyone.
[163.29] NJ: This is going to mean nothing to anyone other than you.
[165.29] Jack: Sheldon's back in Cockwamble Jail.
[168.29] Jack: That's all that anyone needs to know.
[171.29] NJ: Yeah, that is.
[172.29] NJ: Oh, no, he was released earlier this year.
[178.29] NJ: Anyway, how's everyone else?
[180.29] NJ: Rotate, rotate. Yeah, absolutely.
[183.29] NJ: Well, actually, V2 is the rotation.
[187.29] NJ: V1's decision speed, V2 is the rotate speed at which you're fast enough
[191.29] NJ: to make positive rate of climb.
[193.29] NJ: I'm sorry, I can't stop.
[199.29] Curry: I'm using the sign earlier than anticipated.
[202.29] Curry: I don't understand what's going on already.
[205.29] Curry: This is fast.
[207.29] Curry: You haven't even got to the aerodynamics yet.
[210.29] NJ: Anyway, how's anyone flown this week or since the last time?
[215.29] Curry: Yes, indoors, two life lists.
[218.29] Jack: Well done.
[219.29] Jack: Why are you here?
[220.29] Jack: Happy birthday, Sophie.
[221.29] Curry: I'm here because Sophie has chucked me out to go
[224.29] Curry: and watch an awful program called RuPaul's Drag Race.
[228.29] Jack: Oh, Lord.
[229.29] Curry: Which I can't watch without...
[231.29] Jack: Is that Drag Racing dressing up as a lady or...?
[235.29] Jack: Well, I don't think there's anything to do with cars.
[238.29] Curry: Given that the preface of that show is RuPaul,
[242.29] Curry: I'm letting you guess if it's Men in Drag or it's about racing cars.
[250.29] Tony: Well, it's probably right up your bloody street.
[253.29] Tony: Let's face it.
[255.29] Curry: It's not my thing, but they seem to enjoy it,
[257.29] Tony: so that's what they're doing on their birthday.
[260.29] Curry: It's a shame Andy's not here because he's just popped a review up, I noticed.
[263.29] Curry: So he was outside flying.
[265.29] Curry: What?
[266.29] Curry: Some sort of silly-woop type-y thing.
[268.29] Curry: Wow.
[269.29] NJ: I've heard of the outside.
[271.29] NJ: Yeah.
[272.29] NJ: Tell me more.
[273.29] Frank: Has it got so bad up north that the rain is like frozen?
[277.29] Frank: Is that what's happened?
[279.29] Frank: It looks very cold.
[280.29] Frank: Andy hasn't been able to get out for like 18 months
[282.29] Frank: because it's just bog, just boglands, just so much rain.
[286.29] Curry: It's so cold up north, Andy almost put a jacket over his t-shirt.
[290.29] Curry: That's how cold it got.
[292.29] NJ: Kept the shorts on, though.
[294.29] Frank: He's got sleeves on, that's the thing.
[297.29] Frank: It's not just a vest this time.
[299.29] Frank: Exactly.
[300.29] Frank: Well, that's good.
[301.29] NJ: So what did you fly and why only two lipos?
[305.29] NJ: Why not three?
[306.29] Curry: Because I had somebody doing at-home schooling in the back room
[312.29] Curry: and another person doing important international business calls in another room.
[317.29] Curry: We both got upset about the angry wasp that flew past them several times.
[322.29] Curry: And I was literally just testing out one of the new Beat Your FPV little controller thingies.
[329.29] Curry: So I just took it for a quick flight around.
[332.29] Curry: And I was very rusty, actually.
[335.29] Curry: I tried to blame the controller a bit, saying,
[337.29] Curry: well, the throttle's a little bit stiffer than normal.
[339.29] Curry: But really, I didn't have as much control as I'd normally do.
[343.29] Curry: I think you need a good five or six lipos at least on a weekly basis.
[347.29] Curry: Do you remember which way to hold it, yeah?
[349.29] Curry: Yeah, to just get back into it a bit.
[351.29] Curry: And it was, yeah, it was a little bit shaky and a bit crap.
[354.29] Curry: But, you know, it was better than doing nothing.
[356.29] Curry: Normally when I'm flying in the house, I'd open the conservatory door
[359.29] Curry: and I'd zip out into the garden and come back in.
[361.29] Curry: But the whole house would have frozen in like 10 minutes.
[363.29] Curry: So that didn't happen.
[365.29] Curry: So pretty dull, but I suppose it's better than not flying anything.
[369.29] NJ: Yeah, maybe.
[371.29] NJ: That is very true.
[373.29] NJ: Yeah, indeedy.
[375.29] NJ: Speaking of controls, a half reasonable link here.
[379.29] NJ: Isn't there a new, when I was chatting to Andy earlier, actually,
[383.29] NJ: he mentioned there was a new jumper control
[386.29] NJ: that looks a little bit like the Tango.
[389.29] Curry: Yeah.
[390.29] Curry: This is the jumpy light, I think it's cool.
[393.29] Curry: And it looks very much like your sort of game controller.
[398.29] Curry: But they've got a full LCD screen.
[402.29] Curry: It runs OpenTX.
[403.29] Curry: I think it's got a full-size module by the back
[405.29] Curry: so it can run crossfire and things.
[407.29] Curry: And it's only about, I think it's under 60 quid,
[411.29] Curry: even for like the multi-protocol version,
[413.29] Curry: which is pretty damn cheap as a radio.
[416.29] Curry: And it's got all effects gimbals as well.
[419.29] Curry: So it feels, it sounds pretty good.
[422.29] Curry: I haven't got one to test it, but it certainly sounds to business.
[428.95] NJ: I don't know why they call it Hall Effect
[430.95] NJ: because they're Hall Sensors.
[434.95] NJ: It's not, you know...
[436.95] Frank: The Sense is based on the Hall Effect, right?
[439.95] NJ: Yeah, I don't know.
[441.95] NJ: I just have a problem with them being called Hall Effect.
[444.95] NJ: They're not buying them on their effect.
[446.95] NJ: They're buying them on their ability to do their job as sensors.
[450.95] NJ: I don't know where I'm going with that, but yeah, I don't like it.
[452.95] Curry: I like the fact that today I'm the person who's got the second worst OCD.
[458.95] Curry: MJ's winning out massively about these things.
[461.95] Curry: He's nitpicking everything.
[463.95] NJ: Yeah, that doesn't look too bad.
[466.95] NJ: For me, the big thing is always how those gimbals are going to feel.
[470.95] NJ: And it's usually down to the bearings and the materials.
[474.95] NJ: And that can really make or break.
[476.95] NJ: Especially, I don't know if this gets anyone else,
[478.95] NJ: but how the stick bottoms out against the side.
[483.95] NJ: So when you hit the side, does it give a really nasty, hard-stopping clunk,
[487.95] NJ: or does it have a nice satisfying thud?
[489.95] NJ: Like the feel of the very endpoints is quite a thing that bothers me.
[494.95] NJ: If it feels plastic-y and a bit crap, then...
[497.95] Tony: What bothers me is the speaker where you place your hand.
[503.95] Tony: So if you've got call-outs like long distance,
[505.95] Tony: you've been flying 10 minutes.
[507.95] Tony: What? What?
[510.95] NJ: Yeah, that's not a sensible place.
[512.95] NJ: But then I also think...
[514.95] NJ: Well, for me, as a pincher, my hands would be poised in a way
[518.95] NJ: that I don't think that would actually block the speaker.
[521.95] NJ: But maybe the other way...
[523.95] Frank: I think it's a feature that they've designed in
[526.95] Frank: so that you don't have to go around
[528.95] Frank: and find some brown tape to stick over the speaker
[530.95] Frank: when it's shouting at you that your radio is running out of battery, Tony.
[534.95] Curry: Andy is saying,
[536.95] Curry: for the RadioMaster version, Jumper will fall to bits.
[540.95] Curry: Are we saying that Jumper's not as good quality as RadioMaster?
[543.95] Curry: Is that the general gist there?
[547.46] NJ: Yeah.
[549.46] NJ: E-Wings has said something in the chat there.
[551.46] NJ: Pinchers are probably screwed again.
[553.46] NJ: Now, that's, again, I guess it's a subjective thing,
[557.46] NJ: but for me, even back to the X-Lite,
[561.46] NJ: all the thumbers immediately assumed, including Joshua,
[564.46] NJ: which I said to him directly,
[566.46] NJ: that's rubbish.
[568.46] NJ: He shouldn't be making assumptions about pinchers.
[570.46] NJ: He thought that...
[572.46] NJ: She didn't say exactly that.
[574.46] NJ: Yeah, it was a conversation of that nature.
[576.46] NJ: But yeah, it was this thing that if...
[578.46] NJ: Because they look like they're designed ergonomically,
[580.46] NJ: specifically for thumbers, that they were going to be awful for pinchers.
[583.46] NJ: And I find the Tango, the X-Lite,
[587.46] NJ: absolutely fine to pinch with.
[589.46] NJ: And I've had no problem at all.
[592.46] NJ: Same with Nick Burns as well.
[595.46] NJ: Nick Burns is saying he agrees with me.
[597.46] Frank: Because I had a bit of an issue with pinching with the X-Lite.
[601.46] Frank: I got the immediate response of,
[604.46] Frank: you just need to change your sticks and get longer sticks,
[606.46] Frank: and then it's fine.
[607.46] NJ: That's very true, yeah.
[609.46] NJ: But again, it's sort of subjective, isn't it?
[612.46] NJ: But I found running with the sticks a little bit longer,
[615.46] NJ: got your hands in the right position.
[618.46] NJ: If they were a bit too short, you had to deflect your
[621.46] NJ: articulates a little more than you should have to, so...
[624.46] Curry: Even for farmers, the X-Lite needed longer sticks as well.
[628.46] Curry: Putting the longer sticks on made all the world a difference to it.
[630.46] Curry: It's one of my favourite radios.
[632.46] Curry: As soon as it got the longer sticks,
[634.46] Curry: but on the original sticks, it felt a bit less control-y, less accurate.
[639.46] Tony: Well, have you got your handbag TX yet?
[643.46] BlueOwl: Not yet, not yet.
[645.46] BlueOwl: I'm pretty busy lately, so...
[648.46] Frank: How did your big conference go?
[652.46] BlueOwl: Big conference, it wasn't that big.
[654.46] BlueOwl: It was pretty, you know, it was close, it was internal.
[657.46] BlueOwl: But yeah, it was fun.
[658.46] BlueOwl: It's always fun with the flying labs.
[660.46] BlueOwl: You always get to see what they work on,
[663.46] BlueOwl: and that's super fascinating.
[666.46] BlueOwl: You know, it's not the kind of projects that we talk about
[670.46] BlueOwl: or that we know in Europe or the US or wherever else.
[675.46] BlueOwl: Suddenly you start hearing about, for example,
[680.46] BlueOwl: checking on the hippos with a drone, or I don't know,
[685.46] BlueOwl: surveying an elephant, something.
[690.46] BlueOwl: It's always super fascinating.
[692.46] Curry: Do the people checking on elephants ever feel like
[696.96] Curry: there's a gap there under the elephant?
[699.96] Curry: I need to make that gap, and maybe power loop it.
[703.96] BlueOwl: It must be difficult to, you know, not to do it, right?
[708.96] BlueOwl: I would be tempted to, yeah.
[711.96] Frank: There we go.
[712.96] Frank: That's the next one for the International Game of Whoop,
[714.96] Frank: is a power looping an elephant.
[717.96] BlueOwl: An elephant, yeah.
[718.96] BlueOwl: That would be a good challenge for Tawanda,
[721.96] BlueOwl: our friend from Zimbabwe, probably.
[726.96] Tony: Yeah.
[727.96] Tony: Not sure I can agree, unless it was a tiny whoop.
[730.96] Tony: Yeah, yeah.
[734.34] Tony: What if it was just a big elephant?
[741.34] BlueOwl: That one suggests might be flipping a rhino.
[744.34] BlueOwl: That's an idea.
[746.34] BlueOwl: If I ever get to travel to Africa and, you know,
[751.34] BlueOwl: if the COVID madness ever ends,
[754.34] BlueOwl: then I get to go there and take my coat with me.
[757.34] Tony: I've heard it's going to be six years and then we'll be free.
[760.34] Tony: So it's not too long to wait.
[763.34] BlueOwl: Someone's talking about truth is spinning a giraffe.
[766.34] BlueOwl: That's awesome.
[769.34] BlueOwl: I'm all upside down.
[775.34] Frank: Very early, we had fun on Saturday,
[778.34] Frank: back on the latest version of Curry Kitten Simulator
[781.34] Frank: with the water towers in, the cooling towers even.
[784.34] (Patrons): Yeah.
[785.34] Frank: Right word.
[786.34] Curry: I only joined late and all I heard is a very drunk Tony
[790.34] Curry: complaining a lot that everything was tiny.
[793.34] Tony: We played hide and seek and it was near impossible
[797.34] Tony: to find them.
[799.34] Tony: Honestly, they were cheating or something was happening.
[802.34] Frank: It was easier when you were facing the screen.
[804.34] Frank: I'll say that.
[807.34] Tony: I can't remember much about that.
[810.34] Frank: I just remember your radio just complaining constantly
[814.34] Frank: that battery low, battery low.
[817.34] Frank: Just change that.
[820.34] Frank: Just charge it.
[821.34] Frank: Just do something about that.
[822.34] Frank: No, it's fine.
[824.34] Frank: I've got some tape.
[825.34] Frank: Oh, that's right.
[826.34] Curry: Because you said, why don't you turn it off?
[828.34] Curry: And instead he just gaffer taped over the speaker.
[832.34] NJ: Well, that was one way around it.
[834.34] NJ: That's definitely a long way around it.
[837.34] NJ: Pretty much all the new radios charge while being useful
[842.34] NJ: as a game controller now, don't they?
[844.34] NJ: But the Tyrannis is not.
[847.34] NJ: So I guess you're going to get those.
[849.34] NJ: Was it in the standard amber calm calming voice
[852.34] NJ: or was it battery low in some sound pack that Tony's using?
[857.34] Tony: I think it was just like an original one from six years ago.
[863.34] NJ: Yeah, probably the amber, right?
[865.34] NJ: Yeah.
[867.34] (Patrons): That didn't mean that.
[868.34] NJ: Disgruntled dinner lady screaming at him.
[871.34] NJ: Disgruntled dinner lady.
[873.34] NJ: It should definitely be a sound pack.
[875.34] NJ: I would download that.
[877.34] NJ: There is Blue Owl's next remote.
[882.34] BlueOwl: That's it, yeah.
[884.34] NJ: Nice.
[885.34] Jack: Are you going to curl it up and have it in pink?
[888.34] NJ: But my point was being here was just to show you
[892.34] NJ: how I hold the transmitter like this.
[897.34] NJ: That's perfectly comfortable for me.
[899.34] NJ: Got the switches there.
[901.34] NJ: So that's generally how I hold when I'm flying as a pincher.
[906.34] NJ: That is no problem for me.
[908.34] NJ: And that's what I was thinking is you can see that that,
[910.34] NJ: trying to get this at the right angle,
[912.34] NJ: that part under my palm would be free for the speaker.
[917.34] NJ: Yeah, it probably would be.
[919.34] NJ: And if I was doing it this way, I think it'd be the same.
[923.34] NJ: Really hard to think in reverse here with the camera.
[926.34] NJ: Yeah, so I think the speaker being there is probably going to be all right.
[929.34] NJ: Even being left-handed.
[931.34] NJ: But yeah, that's how I hold when I pinch anyway.
[935.34] NJ: And that is comfortable, that's ergonomical for me,
[938.34] NJ: just in the same way that is.
[940.34] NJ: But in fact, because I like to have that sat a bit flatter when I'm flying,
[944.34] NJ: that whole shape just feels really nice for pinching.
[948.34] NJ: That's no problem for me.
[949.34] NJ: So yeah, there's a pincher perspective.
[953.34] Curry: I feel we got a view from a couple of years' time,
[957.34] Curry: haptic gloves all the rage.
[959.34] Curry: And this is the new sort of porn,
[961.34] Curry: is basically what N.J.'s just doing on his radio.
[968.34] NJ: Yeah, we should put a 15 certificate in the corner of the screen
[973.34] Curry: I don't know why, but whenever I see a pinch shot,
[976.34] Curry: I realise it works for you and it's more accurate.
[979.34] Curry: It just seems so unnatural to me.
[980.34] Curry: Whenever I pick up a game controller,
[982.34] Curry: and I was like, well, do you pinch on a game controller?
[984.34] Curry: If you were playing Xbox, would you be doing this then?
[986.34] Curry: No.
[987.34] NJ: Or would you just use the thumb?
[989.34] NJ: Is that not the normal thing to do on an Xbox then?
[992.34] NJ: No.
[993.34] NJ: I'm kidding. I don't do that.
[996.34] (Patrons): What's the difference?
[999.34] NJ: I found more OCD of Curry.
[1002.34] NJ: No, because I was actually probably,
[1006.34] NJ: it's probably now about equal,
[1008.34] NJ: but for the first half of ever doing anything RC,
[1011.34] NJ: I was a thumber and it wasn't until 3D helicopters
[1014.34] NJ: that I changed to a pincher and I found I got more fine precision
[1018.34] NJ: because two digits gave me more fine motor control
[1022.34] NJ: I found than just the thumbs.
[1024.34] Curry: I do get that, but it feels to me like you would really have to work
[1028.34] Curry: for a long time to overcome what is,
[1032.34] Curry: I mean, it's been in my psyche for years just playing video games
[1035.34] Curry: to suddenly go and say, okay, we're going to retrain and do this
[1038.34] Curry: would take an awful lot of persistence almost as much
[1041.34] Curry: as trying to flow with a 65 degree tilt on the camera
[1044.34] Curry: and just try doing both at once.
[1046.34] Curry: I'm flicking over to, I'll change to mode one,
[1049.34] Curry: change to a pincher and fly at 65 degrees.
[1051.34] Curry: Do that all at once.
[1053.34] NJ: There's a video, surely there's a video to do, Curry.
[1056.34] NJ: I challenge you to do a pack of pinch flying
[1060.34] NJ: and then alternate with a pack of thumb flying and then go back to pinch
[1064.34] NJ: and see if you're pinching.
[1065.34] Curry: Once I can go outside, because we already said we'd do the blue hour challenge,
[1070.34] Curry: let's try flying at 65 degrees for real.
[1072.34] Curry: We've already tried it in a simulator and it's just a horrendous mess
[1075.34] Curry: of us crashing into the ground and saying, why won't it go upwards?
[1078.34] Curry: Why won't it go backwards?
[1080.34] Curry: I'm really fast into the ground.
[1081.34] Frank: I have to say, I'm really enjoying the Saturday sessions
[1084.34] Frank: with personal tutoring by Blue Owl, the 65 degree tricks.
[1088.34] Frank: I'm enjoying it. It's great.
[1089.34] BlueOwl: Yeah, I got to say, Frank is getting dangerous good at this.
[1092.34] BlueOwl: So he maybe can become the new, you know, muddy stunt or no more.
[1098.34] NJ: I think at some point we're going to have to get some streaming in here.
[1104.34] NJ: It'd be quite good to get a little bit of a show us a trick
[1108.34] NJ: or some kind of challenge there, Blue Owl.
[1112.34] NJ: You could show on straight.
[1113.34] NJ: Have we tried streaming anything in here?
[1116.34] NJ: Does it work?
[1118.34] NJ: I think it works all right generally.
[1121.34] Curry: There you go.
[1122.34] Curry: Yes, Blue Owl's done some demonstrations.
[1124.34] Curry: The figure eight upside down yours are quite interesting,
[1129.34] Curry: going around and around while staying inverted all the time.
[1133.34] Curry: Yeah, what's going to happen?
[1135.34] BlueOwl: I'm just going to keep crashing for one hour straight
[1138.34] BlueOwl: because that's how it works, trying to show off.
[1143.34] BlueOwl: But yeah, we can try that.
[1146.34] BlueOwl: We can have a challenge.
[1147.34] BlueOwl: Maybe I'll learn something from Frank next time
[1150.34] BlueOwl: because it's really going dangerously fast.
[1153.34] BlueOwl: You know, his learning curve is like vertically up.
[1157.34] BlueOwl: So we can arrange that.
[1160.34] Frank: I'm definitely looking forward to eventually being able to go outside
[1166.34] Frank: with the quads to a field and actually putting it up at 65 degrees
[1171.34] Frank: and having a go.
[1172.34] Frank: And it being completely different and crashing immediately.
[1175.34] Frank: I think that'll be fun.
[1176.34] BlueOwl: No, I don't know.
[1177.34] Tony: I think it'll be all right, Mike.
[1179.34] Curry: I want to watch the landing.
[1181.34] Curry: I think that's going to be the most interesting part.
[1183.34] BlueOwl: Yeah, that's interesting.
[1185.34] Curry: Definitely.
[1186.34] Jack: If he doesn't crash into himself, I will be amazed.
[1190.34] Frank: I mean, that's...
[1191.34] BlueOwl: He doesn't remember what it feels to go outside and fly.
[1195.34] BlueOwl: I don't.
[1196.34] BlueOwl: I don't know when was the last time I did it.
[1198.34] Curry: No one remembers that.
[1201.34] Jack: I think Sheldon was there.
[1203.34] Jack: That's all I remember.
[1205.34] NJ: I've got to point out, as in the chat, RC Labbotics said,
[1211.34] NJ: Curtis Youngblood TX is mental.
[1213.34] NJ: He's on a twist on the cyclic.
[1216.34] NJ: So Curtis Youngblood from back in the 3D helicopter early days
[1220.34] NJ: was just an incredible 3D helicopter pilot.
[1223.34] NJ: But his control set up was absolutely bonkers.
[1227.34] NJ: And what he would have is the throttle on the left side as normal.
[1231.34] NJ: But on the end of the throttle was like a giant ball
[1235.34] NJ: that he would twist from left to right to do the yaw.
[1238.34] NJ: So if you can imagine a giant disc on the top of the throttle stick
[1242.34] NJ: that you would hold and twist from left to right.
[1245.34] NJ: So you'd rotate for yaw and throttle normal up and down
[1249.34] NJ: and then the cyclic normal.
[1251.34] NJ: Super, super weird.
[1252.34] NJ: He's the only person I've ever known to do something as strange as that.
[1255.34] NJ: But he was the 3D master.
[1258.34] Jack: I think so. Yeah, yeah.
[1260.34] NJ: Yeah, there were people who were trying to try it out and copy it
[1264.34] NJ: because there were certain maneuvers in the 3D competitions
[1267.34] NJ: that were really difficult.
[1269.34] NJ: And there was one called the Chaos,
[1271.34] NJ: which is where the helicopter would spin about its axis
[1275.34] NJ: and then flip upside down and then spin.
[1278.34] NJ: But there's a pirouetting flip where it's constantly a front flip
[1281.34] NJ: while spinning.
[1282.34] NJ: And then Chaos is where the axis changes the whole time.
[1284.34] NJ: And he was one of the few people that could just do this.
[1287.34] NJ: And everyone said it's something to do with that crazy mod.
[1290.34] NJ: Mm-hmm.
[1291.34] NJ: That is pretty interesting.
[1293.34] NJ: But yeah, that's a nice blast from the past there.
[1296.34] Tony: I've got the same thing as Caroline here.
[1299.34] Tony: She gets, I get cramp because I'm a bit of a hybrid.
[1302.34] Tony: I pinch with my throttle and fun.
[1306.34] Tony: When I do it, yeah.
[1308.34] Tony: Well, you know, when I was flying long range out in the cold,
[1312.34] Tony: I was like getting cramp in this.
[1314.34] Tony: I was like, I have to let go a couple of times
[1317.34] Tony: and long range flying.
[1318.34] Tony: I just can't do it.
[1319.34] Tony: So can you fly longer than a couple of minutes?
[1323.34] Tony: Or do you get cramp or have you ever got cramp
[1325.34] Tony: or anything like that?
[1327.34] NJ: No, I have no problem with it.
[1330.34] NJ: I think the stick length definitely has something to do with it
[1332.34] NJ: so that you're a bit more extended
[1334.34] NJ: and you're not kind of like really bunching up to try and move.
[1339.34] NJ: But the other thing is just try not to be,
[1341.34] NJ: that can also be indicative of you being very white knuckled
[1345.34] NJ: on the controls.
[1346.34] NJ: Some people really squeeze the controls hard
[1349.34] NJ: and you want to just be as relaxed as you can, but yeah.
[1353.34] NJ: Excuse me a minute like that.
[1355.34] Jack: The dinosaur grip you called it.
[1357.34] BlueOwl: Yeah, yeah.
[1358.34] BlueOwl: So I was just gonna, I was just gonna show you
[1360.34] BlueOwl: how my pinching looks like
[1362.34] BlueOwl: because it's not actually pinching like holding the sticks.
[1365.34] BlueOwl: Oh my God, this is so high.
[1367.34] BlueOwl: But what I actually do is hold it up.
[1371.34] BlueOwl: Hold it up.
[1372.34] BlueOwl: Okay, that's getting weird, right?
[1375.34] BlueOwl: It is kind of like a merge between the two
[1378.34] BlueOwl: because what I use the index finger for is just pulling the stick
[1383.34] BlueOwl: but I don't think it means the stick
[1385.34] BlueOwl: can kind of use two fingers actively to move it, right?
[1389.34] BlueOwl: So it's only to give me a little bit of precision,
[1392.34] BlueOwl: kind of a little bit of a feel to it.
[1395.34] BlueOwl: But most of the work is done with the thumb,
[1398.34] BlueOwl: if that makes sense.
[1399.34] NJ: Interestingly, that's only something,
[1402.34] NJ: that sort of way of holding is only an invention
[1405.34] NJ: that I've ever known or seen since FPV.
[1409.34] NJ: I haven't ever seen that in RC on other RC aircraft,
[1412.34] NJ: but this thing of using the thumb,
[1414.34] NJ: but then the kind of claw over the top for the pull
[1418.34] NJ: has come about with FPV.
[1420.34] NJ: It's really interesting, but yeah,
[1421.34] NJ: one of those people doesn't still do that
[1424.34] NJ: with one hand as well, if I think the right...
[1427.34] NJ: I think it's full on picture.
[1430.34] NJ: Is he?
[1431.34] NJ: I think so.
[1432.34] NJ: Yeah, I remember seeing a couple of those guys
[1434.34] NJ: doing the sort of the flat finger.
[1436.34] Curry: What I was going to say is,
[1437.34] Curry: I think there's more scope for adding extra controls in.
[1441.34] Curry: If you imagine that, oops, if you've got your controller,
[1444.34] Curry: we'll all do this, we'll all hold a controller
[1446.34] Curry: and this thumb's normally doing something.
[1449.34] Curry: If, let's say, you had a much bigger stick here
[1451.34] Curry: and you were grabbing that with your whole hand precision,
[1454.34] Curry: you could then have a thumb stick on the end of that stick
[1457.34] Curry: and do completely different directions.
[1459.34] Curry: I'm completely serious.
[1461.34] Curry: This was from an idea of a game controller
[1464.34] Curry: for a very intense game called Steel Battalion,
[1468.34] Curry: which had a stick with another stick on top,
[1470.34] Curry: which operated something else.
[1472.34] Curry: It was complete...
[1473.34] Curry: It wasn't quite like that because...
[1476.34] Curry: I suppose you could call it that
[1477.34] Curry: because the top stick would act like a regular stick,
[1480.34] Curry: but it's just the fact you were moving that other stick around.
[1483.34] Curry: It sounds weird, but it didn't seem to matter
[1486.34] Curry: because your thumb was in the same place relative
[1489.34] Curry: because your hand's moving around,
[1491.34] Curry: you effectively got two-stick precision within one stick.
[1495.34] Curry: So you'd actually have three-stick control
[1497.34] Curry: plus a couple of switches if you did that,
[1499.34] Curry: but I can't think what you might need to do at all.
[1501.34] Curry: So it's like a joystick.
[1503.34] Curry: Yeah, with a stick on the end.
[1505.34] Frank: With a thumb stick on the top of the joystick.
[1508.34] NJ: It's like a damper, effectively, of sorts.
[1511.34] NJ: It's sort of damping the input a little bit.
[1514.34] Curry: But you could have completely different inputs on them.
[1517.34] Curry: I mean, this one was controlled, this was camera.
[1520.34] NJ: Oh!
[1522.34] NJ: Oh, I see.
[1524.34] NJ: Okay, have you got any images of that?
[1526.34] NJ: I'd be really interested to see that.
[1528.34] Curry: Yeah, but bear in mind, it's a game controller for big robot mechs.
[1532.34] Curry: It's looking like too much.
[1534.34] Curry: It's got quite a niche, isn't it?
[1537.34] Curry: A little bit.
[1538.34] Curry: Is that the next lockdown project, then?
[1540.34] Curry: No, I was just thinking, when you were talking about,
[1544.34] Curry: like, here, Curtis Youngblood's got like an extra stick,
[1547.34] Curry: it's like, well, you could do something else.
[1549.34] Frank: What a cool name.
[1551.34] Frank: It is a good name.
[1553.34] Frank: While we were talking about transmitters,
[1555.34] Frank: I was also wondering about neck straps,
[1557.34] Frank: because I was thinking maybe that's kind of a difference,
[1560.34] Frank: maybe, that's between N.J. and Tony
[1562.34] Frank: with getting cramp and things with pinching.
[1566.34] NJ: Yeah, that's another thing, isn't it?
[1569.34] NJ: I guess that's just a different thing for different people.
[1573.34] NJ: For me, I like to rest my hands kind of
[1576.34] NJ: against the resistance of the neck strap,
[1579.34] NJ: so my hands are kind of more relaxed
[1581.34] NJ: when they're sort of resting on the controller.
[1583.34] NJ: So, yeah, I can fly without the neck strap, but I don't like it.
[1587.34] Curry: So, still battalion.
[1589.34] Curry: If you look at the left-hand side, you've got a stick,
[1592.34] Curry: and that little gubbins on top is a little thumbstick,
[1595.34] Curry: which will control something different to the main stick,
[1599.34] Curry: which is obviously its own little thing,
[1601.34] Curry: but I can just sort of imagine that could be used on a remote
[1605.34] Curry: to give you more, because we were talking, again,
[1608.34] Curry: the other day about that weird pyramid thing,
[1610.34] Curry: which needs like an extra axis of movement,
[1613.34] Curry: and it's like, how would you do that extra axis in,
[1616.34] Curry: because you've only got two sticks?
[1617.34] Curry: It's like, well, you can have three sticks
[1619.34] Curry: if you do the right thing with it, effectively.
[1622.34] NJ: I love the retro look of that. It's so awesome.
[1625.34] Frank: I was going to say, this sounds like an excellent excuse
[1629.34] Frank: to build kind of a modern interpretation
[1632.34] Frank: of a steel battalion controller.
[1634.34] Curry: When you turn steel battalion on,
[1636.34] Curry: you have to flick switches.
[1637.34] Curry: The eject button, you can see it's under a cover
[1640.34] Curry: on the right-hand side.
[1641.34] Curry: You have to flip the cover up and eject,
[1643.34] Curry: because it doesn't work.
[1645.34] Curry: Why do they do that?
[1646.34] Tony: I know it's for safety, but like time and stuff,
[1649.34] Tony: running out of time, going down,
[1651.34] Tony: and now I've got to pull this lever up
[1653.34] Tony: and then flick the switch.
[1655.34] NJ: So, Kerry, what do you reckon we could do with this, then?
[1660.34] NJ: You could do stuff with it.
[1662.34] NJ: Is that just a deep end on the top there?
[1664.34] Jack: It's not even a program to show on YouTube.
[1665.34] Jack: You could fly with that.
[1667.34] Tony: Yeah, that's that.
[1669.34] Tony: You need to tell people what it is.
[1672.34] Frank: What is this so people that are listening can Google it?
[1675.34] NJ: Five, six, seven, eight.
[1677.34] Tony: NJ, he's holding up a joystick.
[1681.34] Curry: Is that your DCS controller?
[1683.34] Curry: That's one of them, yeah.
[1685.34] NJ: What's it called?
[1687.34] NJ: That is the Satec X56.
[1690.34] NJ: Are you going to get your pedals out next?
[1693.34] Jack: No, they're too heavy.
[1696.34] NJ: Made of man steel.
[1698.34] NJ: I love you, NJ.
[1702.86] NJ: I know you do.
[1706.86] Jack: Line up that.
[1709.86] Jack: What is it?
[1711.86] Jack: The pitot tube?
[1714.86] Jack: There's your answer, Tony.
[1716.86] Frank: I'll see Labbotics put an answer in the chat.
[1718.86] Frank: If there is a cover, it means at least one person knocked it by accident.
[1724.86] Tony: I did gather that it was for safety,
[1727.86] Tony: but it's just, you know, you're running out of time.
[1730.86] Tony: I'm like, Dad, have you got to do this, this, this?
[1734.86] Frank: I guess it's a case of the number of times that you actually want to use it is very small
[1739.86] Frank: in comparison to the times that you don't want to use it.
[1742.86] Tony: Yeah, look, you're dusting the cockpit.
[1746.86] Frank: So you sneeze.
[1748.86] Tony: Yeah, oops.
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[1775.86] Frank: Let's drone out.
[1777.86] Tony: I can't wait to go out and fly.
[1779.86] Tony: I'm just spring, spring is round the corner, everyone.
[1782.86] Curry: So why don't you tell us about your not at all controversial or illegal plans, Tony?
[1788.86] Tony: Do you want to talk about that?
[1790.86] Tony: That's nothing to do with flying.
[1792.86] Tony: That's nothing to do with flying.
[1794.86] Curry: I thought it was all about flying, wasn't it?
[1796.86] Tony: No, no, no, that's my holiday for this year.
[1799.86] Tony: I'm going on an FPV road trip this year.
[1802.86] Tony: I bought a tent, what do you call it?
[1806.86] Tony: A roof tent.
[1809.86] Curry: Could you explain it to me?
[1810.86] Curry: Because is that literally just pitching a tent on the roof of a vehicle?
[1814.86] Curry: Because they're a bit.
[1816.86] Curry: Don't they sort of cave in a little bit?
[1818.86] Curry: I mean, you're tiny, so I guess not for your point of view.
[1821.86] Tony: No, it's got a hard base and it all folds up and then you literally undo it, grab the ladder and pull it down and it will come off like that.
[1829.86] Tony: And then the ladder comes through the center and then you go up into it and it's got a mattress and everything.
[1834.86] Tony: It's well cool.
[1835.86] Tony: And I'm putting it on my van, I'm going flying and I've got a big leisure battery in the back.
[1839.86] Tony: So I'm going to get that all ready to charge my batteries and yeah, I'm going to be good to go.
[1846.86] Tony: Have you got a pitch you can share?
[1849.86] Curry: I'm still having problems.
[1851.86] Curry: I'm on my rooftop tent.
[1853.86] Tony: Well, you find rooftop tent.
[1855.86] Curry: For God's sake.
[1857.86] Curry: You bloody tent.
[1859.86] Frank: With your van tank, you can even take like a tank of water that will give yourself a heated shower.
[1867.86] Tony: Well, yeah, I've got a heated shower and everything.
[1870.86] Tony: So I could even run the hose underneath the mattress of the tent to take you home.
[1877.86] Tony: Exactly.
[1878.86] Tony: It's all going to be fine.
[1880.86] Tony: I'm going down to Devon first in Cornwall, then up to Wales and then Scotland.
[1886.86] Tony: So anyone, I'm going to meet people on my trip.
[1891.86] Tony: If you want to come flying, meet me.
[1896.86] Tony: Fishing, Tony, fishing.
[1899.86] Curry: Apparently, a leisure activity of fishing is allowed.
[1902.86] Curry: So it might be Tony is fishing with his drone, even though he may not be with any water.
[1909.86] Frank: Drone fishing is a thing.
[1911.86] Curry: That's bloody massive.
[1913.86] Curry: That doesn't look like an accident waiting to happen, does it?
[1916.86] Curry: Yeah, what happens if you walk over the bit where there's no roof?
[1920.86] Tony: It's a big thick bit.
[1923.86] Tony: You can sit in there.
[1925.86] Tony: You can fold a bit under that bit, under the ladder.
[1928.86] Tony: Yeah, but what's it attached to?
[1930.86] Tony: What do you mean?
[1931.86] Tony: It's folded out.
[1933.86] Frank: It's attached to the roof bars, right?
[1936.86] Tony: Yeah.
[1938.86] Curry: So as soon as it unfolds, it's supported by the roof bars.
[1943.86] Tony: Yeah, it's folded.
[1945.86] NJ: Oh, I see.
[1947.86] NJ: I presume the toilet is situated in the left half of the tent.
[1952.86] Tony: The toilet is in the back of my vein.
[1955.86] Tony: Carrier bag, buckets, job done.
[1957.86] Curry: My OCD doesn't like the fact that it's not centered at all.
[1960.86] Curry: It looks all lopsided.
[1962.86] Tony: It is all lopsided.
[1964.86] Frank: But it gives you a nice little sun shelter underneath.
[1970.86] Frank: It's the inverse of a pantry.
[1972.86] Tony: It can be a clip-on bit, what clips on round the side of the ladder
[1975.86] Tony: and comes down and gives you a little out-housey bit under the laddery bit.
[1979.86] Tony: It's going to be well cool.
[1981.86] Tony: See you on my trip this year, this summer.
[1985.86] Tony: Shout me if you want me to come fly with you.
[1987.86] Tony: I'm going around the country.
[1990.86] Tony: That's quite cool, actually.
[1992.86] NJ: There is a section on there.
[1994.86] BlueOwl: And if I want to fly with you, then would you come to Prague?
[1998.86] Tony: Well, I don't think I'm allowed out of the country.
[2000.86] Tony: I don't want a £1700 fine.
[2002.86] Tony: That's why I'm staying in the country.
[2005.86] Frank: What we'll do is we'll get a few of those drums
[2010.86] Frank: that you use for keeping all your clothes dry when you're going kayaking.
[2015.86] Frank: And we'll tie them to your wheels.
[2018.86] Frank: And then we'll take your paddles for when you go kayaking
[2022.86] Frank: and you can paddle your car across the channel and get to the other side.
[2028.86] Tony: I'll just take me kayaks on there.
[2030.86] Frank: Oh yeah, just strap the kayaks to the van.
[2034.86] Tony: Yeah, a little pontoon.
[2037.86] Tony: It's a catamaran.
[2038.86] Tony: Catamaran.
[2039.86] Tony: I'm not going on holiday.
[2040.86] Tony: Probably no one is.
[2042.86] Tony: I just thought, well, I'm going to stay in England
[2044.86] Tony: and just go around flying for a couple of weeks.
[2047.86] Tony: I think it'd be good fun.
[2050.86] Tony: I like camping anyway, so I've got all the gear.
[2053.86] Tony: No idea.
[2058.86] Tony: Well, I enjoy myself.
[2060.86] Tony: Anyway, me and my dog, it's all we need.
[2064.86] Frank: It's camping with a mattress.
[2067.86] Frank: It sounds a very good form of camping to me.
[2070.86] Frank: Yeah, it'd be fine.
[2072.86] Jack: So I pour a ring of petrol around his tent for a laugh.
[2077.86] Tony: It's brilliant for that for a few days.
[2083.86] NJ: Especially if you set the tent up on someone else's car.
[2088.86] Tony: Yeah, no, you keep an eye on me and stuff.
[2094.86] Tony: It won't be for a few more months, though.
[2100.27] Curry: Daily vlogs are needed, Tony.
[2102.27] Curry: Just find yourself a Wi-Fi hotspot and get them out loaded.
[2105.27] Tony: I could do some vlogging.
[2107.27] Tony: That would be amazing.
[2110.27] UNKNOWN: It'd be fun.
[2111.27] Tony: You're quite welcome to come, one of you.
[2114.27] Tony: You're probably just about top to tail one other person.
[2117.27] Tony: I think you could take two human beings, so, Jack, you probably can't come.
[2123.27] Curry: We warn you that the other human being will be over that strange void.
[2128.27] Curry: It might disappear in the middle of the night.
[2132.27] Tony: You can, Jack. I was only ripping you.
[2136.27] Frank: If the ground is a little bit soggy, then the ladder might sink a bit
[2139.27] Frank: and you might just kind of be just dump a truck into the mud.
[2146.27] Tony: You're so optimistic.
[2150.27] Frank: We've learned from this past year.
[2155.27] Frank: There was a few bits of kind of news that Discord sent us
[2162.27] Frank: because we're using them to outsource our work to, which is great.
[2168.27] Frank: Thank you, Robin and Clown.
[2171.27] Jack: It's the hive mind.
[2175.27] Frank: Yes, yes.
[2178.27] Frank: Involving our community.
[2180.27] Frank: Yeah, that's definitely it and not getting them to do our work for us.
[2186.27] Frank: Clown found some very good gossip about some firmware with Fat Shark
[2198.27] Frank: that looks like it was ready and then wasn't released.
[2202.27] Frank: It sounds like there's a lot of drama going on there.
[2205.27] Frank: Apparently, there's something coming out maybe at some point
[2212.27] Frank: when they sort themselves out.
[2215.27] Tony: What's this for, Fat Shark?
[2219.27] Tony: I heard the EV owner of Fat Shark bought some DJI goggles
[2223.27] Tony: because he said they were really good.
[2226.27] Tony: Is that right?
[2228.27] Frank: I've heard that rumor as well, Tony.
[2232.27] Frank: I've heard that rumor as well.
[2236.27] Tony: Yeah, that's pretty funny.
[2239.27] Tony: It says quite a lot.
[2242.27] Jack: Sheldon, if that is definitely you, I'm thinking of a word
[2247.27] Jack: and if you write that word, then I know it's you
[2250.27] Jack: and then I can moderate you so that I can protect you from Neil.
[2255.27] NJ: Sheldon.
[2257.27] Curry: Is the word just going to be cockwumble again?
[2259.27] NJ: Sheldon's Mr. Drone Doctor for all of you out there.
[2262.27] NJ: He has been on the show before.
[2264.27] NJ: He does frequent our little DCS community,
[2269.27] NJ: but he's well known as what we call a griefer,
[2273.27] NJ: someone who ruins everyone's fun to a much of his own delight
[2278.27] NJ: by doing things with planes that you shouldn't do.
[2282.27] NJ: Yes, that's what our dear Sheldon, Mr. Drone Doctor does.
[2286.27] Jack: Everyone's got a level of respect for Neil and Sheldon has absolutely none.
[2293.27] NJ: There's someone who's been fishing recently with his brand new glider
[2298.27] NJ: who should get him on here to talk about that crazy glider he's bought,
[2302.27] NJ: which is a Vlad, another beautiful Vladimir carbon glider.
[2308.27] Curry: Not the one with the jet in it then?
[2311.27] NJ: Not the one with the jet in it, although he does have a RC jet engine.
[2317.27] Frank: He was showing that off on your Discord as well.
[2321.27] NJ: Yeah, managing to get that thing fired up.
[2324.27] NJ: What was it he had it in? Was it a HiWAP?
[2327.27] NJ: I can't remember. It's like the XL1 or something.
[2329.27] Jack: It's, yeah, AcroWAP.
[2333.27] Jack: AcroWAP, that was it, yeah, yeah.
[2335.27] Jack: It's now called the TurboWAP.
[2338.27] NJ: Yeah, the TurboWAP.
[2341.27] NJ: I would love to get on the RC turbine side of things,
[2347.27] NJ: but they are slowly coming down, but they are just hideous amounts of money.
[2352.27] NJ: Even though more companies are doing it,
[2354.27] NJ: and the cheap Chinese ones are actually getting very good now,
[2358.27] NJ: there's still lots and lots of money.
[2361.27] NJ: You still have to throw thousands at building a model with an RC turbine in it.
[2367.27] Jack: You have to make them down and everything. It's very impressive.
[2370.27] Frank: If you saw, Project has recently been given a turbine by a manufacturer,
[2377.27] Frank: and he's decided not to put it in an aircraft to begin with.
[2382.27] Frank: First, he's going to put it on a car, and then he's going to put it on a boat,
[2386.27] Frank: and then he'll think about putting it on an aircraft.
[2389.27] Tony: I watched someone put it on a kayak about two weeks ago.
[2392.27] Tony: Wow.
[2393.27] Tony: It was pretty good. It didn't go very fast,
[2396.27] Tony: but it was quite impressive.
[2398.27] Tony: It was quite small little turbine.
[2401.27] Frank: I remember at SantaPods, they had pulse jet powered go-karts.
[2406.27] NJ: Those things are so noisy.
[2408.27] Frank: They're so noisy and so underwhelming
[2412.27] Frank: when they actually let go of the brakes,
[2415.27] Frank: because they're just making all this noise and flavour,
[2419.27] Frank: and then they take the brakes off and they kind of...
[2423.27] Frank: They get going in the end.
[2425.27] Frank: It might as well be just like a mobility scooter or something.
[2428.27] NJ: A lot of racket for not much.
[2431.27] Jack: I'm really well on a mobility scooter.
[2433.27] NJ: Yeah, that is true.
[2434.27] NJ: It's achieved quite a lot.
[2436.27] NJ: Yeah, it's interesting.
[2437.27] NJ: I'd like to get one of those RC turbines on a heli.
[2442.27] Jack: Oh, are you blocking my voice out again?
[2445.27] Tony: I didn't hear you. What did you say?
[2447.27] Tony: Your voice is rolling now.
[2449.27] Tony: My brain just goes, you're not having a wife.
[2452.27] Jack: See you later, guys.
[2456.27] Tony: No, I'm sorry, Jack. I'm listening.
[2458.27] Jack: No, it's fine. Don't worry.
[2460.27] Tony: Look, when you rib me, I take it.
[2463.27] Tony: When you rib me, I take it.
[2467.27] Tony: Oh, Jack.
[2470.27] Tony: You can't take a rib in that boy.
[2472.27] Tony: Gives it to me.
[2473.27] Tony: When I give it back, he's like...
[2476.27] Frank: What time of day would we have to kind of wake you up
[2481.27] Frank: and rib you for it to be the equivalent
[2484.27] Frank: to when we've woken Jack up for this?
[2487.27] Jack: I guess it'd have to be like...
[2489.27] Jack: It's fine. I'm an absolute prick to him.
[2492.27] Jack: He's well good. He's right.
[2494.27] Jack: I sent you the link, Sheldon. I have my spot.
[2498.27] Jack: Okay. Right, bye.
[2500.27] Tony: You're going to bed.
[2501.27] Curry: We can do more than six.
[2507.27] NJ: Sorry, Jack.
[2508.27] Jack: The whole street guard finds out we haven't paid them
[2511.27] Jack: because, you know, Frank...
[2513.27] NJ: You're losing the impact of leaving now
[2516.27] NJ: if you keep rejoining.
[2518.27] NJ: It takes away the drama.
[2520.27] NJ: I know.
[2521.27] Tony: Completely, it takes away the drama.
[2523.27] Tony: Yes, Mr Fruity Cakes.
[2525.27] Tony: Turn it inside out. Why should she have all the fun?
[2536.0] Jack: Wow, I'm so sorry.
[2538.0] Jack: You can just shout at him if you want.
[2540.0] Jack: Please. Please do it.
[2542.0] (Patrons): Chris is...
[2544.0] (Patrons): You are a very naughty boy.
[2548.0] (Patrons): He's not on the side.
[2550.0] Jack: That's my little...
[2552.0] Jack: Blue Owl voice.
[2554.0] Tony: Wow.
[2556.0] BlueOwl: I don't know about that. I'm not sure.
[2559.0] Frank: Can you try doing Jack voice, Blue Owl?
[2561.0] Frank: What's your best impression of Jack?
[2564.0] BlueOwl: Well, I'm so grumpy today, guys.
[2568.0] BlueOwl: Brilliant.
[2570.0] BlueOwl: That's all I can think of.
[2572.0] Tony: Have you got that in a tough start and finish?
[2574.0] Tony: He's like he's in the real winner.
[2576.0] Tony: Well, now he's not for good.
[2578.0] Frank: He's always all right.
[2579.0] Frank: You can do a better impression of him than he can.
[2582.0] BlueOwl: That was a very poor impression of Jack.
[2585.0] Frank: The only way it could have been better
[2587.0] Frank: was if you mentioned the Roomba.
[2588.0] Frank: But, you know, I think...
[2590.0] BlueOwl: Yeah, that is true.
[2592.0] NJ: I'm a Weezy Fox.
[2593.0] NJ: I'm a Weezy Fox.
[2595.0] NJ: RC Labotic says...
[2598.0] NJ: We had a chat melt his blades at our club with the turbine once.
[2601.0] NJ: Yeah.
[2602.0] NJ: There's lots of good videos on YouTube
[2604.0] NJ: of RC turbines destroying themselves.
[2607.0] NJ: Usually followed by the owner
[2610.0] NJ: pretty much bursting into tears
[2612.0] NJ: when they realize how much money they've just lost themselves.
[2615.0] NJ: I think the turbine that Sheldon has,
[2620.0] NJ: is a jet cap, which are kind of one of the OGs
[2624.2] NJ: of doing the German company, of doing the RC turbines,
[2627.84] NJ: just to send that thing back for a small temperature problem
[2632.2] NJ: would have cost upwards of 500 quid to get it all sorted
[2635.96] NJ: and service them back.
[2638.06] Tony: Well, them planes were flying in MA5, was it, Frank?
[2643.6] Tony: Yes, I was just going to say, yeah.
[2647.94] Curry: So the planes we saw at MA5,
[2650.1] Curry: I think the absolute bottom price was about 10
[2652.82] Curry: and it went up to 20.
[2654.1] Curry: So, NJ, looking at the sort of the cheap and cheerful,
[2657.42] Curry: I said cheap and cheerful,
[2658.3] Curry: the cheap and would actually work turbines from China,
[2662.54] Curry: given you need, what, the ECU
[2664.6] Curry: and presumably a fuel tank and stuff.
[2667.14] Curry: If you had like a plane or whatever,
[2669.02] Curry: and you wanted to put a turbine in it now,
[2670.98] Curry: exactly what sort of money are you talking about currently?
[2674.46] NJ: I would think, I think most people that want to get into it
[2677.38] NJ: will try and look for a decent condition secondhand one.
[2680.06] NJ: That's probably your best way into it.
[2683.06] NJ: That's had good runtime and works well
[2686.54] NJ: and doesn't have any problems.
[2688.1] NJ: That's going to be a cheap site.
[2689.22] NJ: I think if you're looking at new turbines,
[2691.86] NJ: even the small ones,
[2693.3] NJ: the tiny little sort of Coke can size ones,
[2695.9] NJ: you're still at least throwing a couple of grand at them.
[2699.34] NJ: I think something, if I wanted something
[2701.22] NJ: for like my 90 size Heli, four grand, probably, somewhere,
[2705.86] NJ: that kind of money for a proper,
[2708.3] NJ: for a nice RC turbine to get that thing in the air,
[2710.34] NJ: which is obviously,
[2712.06] NJ: you've really got to want to do it to spend that money.
[2714.7] Curry: And then you get a trainer for around 2K.
[2718.54] Curry: Yeah, so there you go.
[2719.38] Curry: It still sounds quite a lot for a trainer, doesn't it?
[2721.66] NJ: Yeah, there's definitely more,
[2723.7] NJ: there's more available now.
[2724.94] NJ: There's more options for doing it.
[2726.26] NJ: It'll come down.
[2728.78] NJ: Yeah, there you go.
[2730.06] NJ: I think 2K is the consensus,
[2733.38] NJ: but it's that noise, isn't it?
[2736.1] NJ: As good as EDFs are,
[2736.94] NJ: you just can't beat the start up noise
[2739.1] Frank: from a proper turbine.
[2740.18] Frank: For 2,000 pounds, couldn't you get a pretty good speaker?
[2745.26] Tony: It's played the same way, yeah.
[2747.7] Curry: For just 1,000 pounds,
[2749.3] Curry: I will come and stand next to you and go,
[2751.14] NJ: whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh,
[2753.74] Curry: as your plane's going.
[2755.98] NJ: A subscription basis.
[2757.78] NJ: Yes.
[2758.86] NJ: Okay.
[2760.7] Frank: Yeah, how long until you dig a two grand trainer
[2764.62] Frank: into the ground for a couple of years?
[2767.06] Curry: The other problem is, as well as accessibility.
[2770.78] Curry: I mean, you can't just like,
[2772.1] Curry: I'm just popping to the park to fly my jet
[2774.86] Curry: because other park users may have a point of view about it.
[2778.38] Curry: You need to be in like a dedicated club
[2781.38] Curry: and presumably there's some clubs don't allow them
[2784.86] Curry: and some clubs are okay with them.
[2786.7] Curry: I suppose, do you need a bigger space?
[2789.34] Curry: Because the guys we met at MA5
[2791.14] Curry: were very keen to tell us they were like pussycats,
[2793.92] Curry: but this is typically what people say
[2796.52] Curry: when they're very good at flying things.
[2798.52] Curry: It's like...
[2799.36] Tony: They were very good at flying things.
[2801.28] Tony: I'm not completely coming to that easy.
[2803.12] Frank: Another key part of the turbine, as you say,
[2804.88] Frank: is the noise, which is very, very loud.
[2809.76] Frank: And it's not so noticeable in a big kind of air show
[2813.28] Frank: or mini air show kind of situation,
[2816.44] Frank: but in a park, club park kind of situation
[2821.44] Frank: I think you would get some very angry letters very quickly
[2826.16] Frank: if you tried to do that every weekend.
[2829.6] Curry: Yes.
[2830.44] Curry: Although I do take note that the only person
[2832.48] Curry: that got real complaints at the last,
[2835.84] Curry: after this MA4 was Rupert with his six sets fun jam,
[2839.84] Curry: which was insanely loud and made jets sound very wimpy indeed.
[2844.64] Frank: Yeah, the turbine powered vampire
[2847.12] Frank: did not get any noise complaints,
[2849.28] Frank: but the prop powered fun jet did.
[2855.88] Tony: Do you reckon there'll be any MA6, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s?
[2862.24] Frank: They will be different.
[2863.6] Frank: There will be events, there will be mini air show events,
[2866.2] Frank: but they will be very different.
[2869.96] Frank: There is going to be a pop-up event,
[2872.12] Frank: or at least they have announced one
[2873.96] Frank: and started publicizing it.
[2875.28] Frank: They're claiming one.
[2876.72] Frank: Nothing to do with that.
[2878.56] Frank: I think the third weekend of August,
[2881.6] Frank: I think is going to be the pop-up model air show.
[2885.88] Frank: And they are doing what we were talking about doing
[2889.4] Frank: for the mini air show six,
[2891.4] Frank: which was shutting all manned aviation into,
[2895.32] Frank: well, we were actually talking about shutting one runway
[2897.44] Frank: and keeping one runway as manned aviation.
[2900.04] Frank: They're talking about shutting both runways.
[2902.92] Frank: So having no manned aviation for that day
[2906.16] Frank: for while the actual events are going on,
[2909.6] Frank: and having just the whole site over to a model air show.
[2915.96] Curry: It does kind of sound like they took your idea and stole it.
[2920.64] Frank: No, I would say that we seeded,
[2926.36] Frank: and we were the nucleation sites.
[2928.88] Frank: They were wanting to do it,
[2930.92] Frank: but they were too scared to do it.
[2933.52] Frank: So we just had to go because we didn't know any better.
[2936.48] Frank: And then they went, oh, it's not that hard.
[2938.68] Frank: We can do it after all.
[2940.4] Frank: Because they've also got two more clubs,
[2943.04] Frank: I think have now kind of been shoved out
[2945.72] Frank: of where they have been for the past few years,
[2948.04] Frank: and have all gone to pop them.
[2949.56] Frank: So there's like three sets of chefs in this kitchen now.
[2955.28] Frank: So they don't really need us there anymore
[2957.16] Frank: to make something happen.
[2959.32] Frank: So yeah, they will be doing their own thing.
[2961.56] Frank: And I'm sure it will be quite big,
[2965.88] Frank: and lots of noisy things will be happening,
[2967.76] Frank: but probably not much in the way of FPV, I imagine.
[2973.0] Frank: I mean, they'll probably be doing
[2974.16] Frank: the kind of normal pop them weekend meetup kind of things,
[2977.8] Frank: but I imagine it won't be quite as FPV heavy.
[2982.16] Frank: I imagine there won't be quite as much going on
[2984.6] Frank: as there would be in the air.
[2985.44] Jack: More on the fishing side of things I hear.
[2988.64] Jack: Yeah.
[2990.6] Jack: Should we add the world's worst person
[2993.52] Jack: to the chat in site NJ?
[2998.84] Sheldon: Is that how high is it you're wearing?
[3001.24] Sheldon: No, it's just a jacket with green zippers.
[3004.84] NJ: Are you in drone doctor office?
[3007.4] Sheldon: I'm in drone doctor office.
[3008.56] Sheldon: You can tell because we have tiny work gates.
[3012.8] Sheldon: Yeah, that's good.
[3014.2] Sheldon: I like that.
[3015.04] NJ: So it's been a busy day.
[3018.64] Frank: It's just getting there.
[3019.56] Frank: This is his morning as well.
[3021.08] Sheldon: How do I, is that, am I now sideways?
[3023.84] Sheldon: There we go.
[3025.24] Frank: I'm going to sit there.
[3026.08] Frank: Presumably you're just turning up to work
[3027.48] Frank: because this is usually about the time you start, right?
[3030.16] Sheldon: Yeah, I was in for an hour earlier.
[3032.56] Sheldon: So I had to go and walk the dog.
[3038.91] Sheldon: What's the latest subject matter?
[3041.47] Sheldon: I heard some chatter about turbines
[3043.43] Sheldon: and then I was in the car.
[3044.27] Sheldon: A dual glider.
[3045.11] NJ: We were.
[3046.27] NJ: Your ultra watt, extra watt, high watt, whatever watt it is.
[3052.55] NJ: Acro watt, yeah, that was all right.
[3054.91] NJ: That is, you know what?
[3056.47] NJ: Please, we're now changing it to the you know what.
[3058.23] NJ: You know what is a you know what?
[3059.07] Sheldon: There is a name of another Chris Phos model.
[3061.03] Sheldon: Yeah.
[3061.87] Sheldon: That was my first ever plane was a you know what.
[3064.31] NJ: How about the?
[3065.15] NJ: You say what and.
[3066.67] NJ: WTF.
[3068.59] NJ: Yeah, talk about that turbine specifically
[3071.35] NJ: because that's the turbo prop that set up, isn't it?
[3074.91] Sheldon: Yeah, it's a jet cap P20 with a turbo prop unit
[3078.35] Sheldon: made by CNC model parts for a Swiss company.
[3081.15] Sheldon: And basically the exhaust of the turbine
[3085.63] Sheldon: goes into a another turbine, basically like a windmill,
[3089.15] Sheldon: very high RPM windmill.
[3090.59] Sheldon: That only goes through a gearbox, drives a propeller.
[3093.47] Sheldon: So you get all the fun of a turbine,
[3096.03] Sheldon: but you get to play with a model that is propeller powered.
[3100.35] Sheldon: So it's used on a lot of full size aircraft,
[3103.79] Sheldon: various sizes.
[3106.39] Sheldon: And yeah, it's just a bit more interesting
[3109.23] Sheldon: because turbines are now becoming pretty commonplace.
[3112.71] Sheldon: Also, there aren't any flying clubs near me
[3115.03] Sheldon: which allow turbines.
[3117.63] Sheldon: When turbines first started becoming popular,
[3122.79] Sheldon: about I don't know what, 10, 15 years ago,
[3125.83] Sheldon: they started becoming a bit more mainstream.
[3130.79] Sheldon: You could fly them in most clubs.
[3133.03] Sheldon: But a lot of clubs, for reasons of varying levels of...
[3145.98] Sheldon: Varying reasons, many clubs have decided to ban turbines.
[3152.46] Sheldon: And so there aren't many, there aren't any near me
[3155.74] Sheldon: where you can fly turbines, unfortunately.
[3157.78] Sheldon: So my local club, the main reason you can't fly turbines
[3161.26] Sheldon: is because of noise and also because of the strip
[3166.66] Sheldon: is too small for the average turbine powered plane.
[3169.14] Sheldon: So you need a bit of runway.
[3170.86] Sheldon: But I made an exception for my turboprop
[3172.42] Sheldon: because it's quiet.
[3173.26] Sheldon: It's no louder than a large electric model,
[3175.7] Sheldon: to be completely honest.
[3177.34] Sheldon: This is a high pitched noise.
[3178.58] Sheldon: So the noise doesn't travel.
[3180.5] Sheldon: It's quieter than any piston powered model.
[3184.98] Sheldon: And it's really good fun.
[3186.82] NJ: So what you're saying is you're better than everyone else
[3189.02] NJ: with a RC turbine aircraft.
[3191.54] Sheldon: Oh, absolutely.
[3192.54] NJ: And you're the exception to the rule.
[3194.66] NJ: Yes, I thought as much.
[3196.5] NJ: So that system of using the exhaust
[3200.18] NJ: is to drive a mini windmill, as you say.
[3203.5] NJ: That's essentially like a completely almost frictionless,
[3207.66] NJ: like a clutch that won't ever wear out.
[3209.42] NJ: It's quite a cool system.
[3211.38] Sheldon: Yeah, the other option is a turbo shaft.
[3215.26] Sheldon: So you see there's some full size aircraft.
[3218.42] Sheldon: A very good example is the difference
[3220.3] Sheldon: between the Pratt & Whitney PT6 and the Garrett 331.
[3223.82] Sheldon: So the PT6 is used on loads of planes,
[3227.1] Sheldon: like the King Air, the TBM,
[3228.58] Sheldon: which if you've played Microsoft Flight Sim,
[3230.42] Sheldon: you'll know the TBM.
[3232.18] Sheldon: It's super reliable, incredibly simple to operate.
[3236.62] Sheldon: Way, way easier than a piston engine.
[3238.74] Sheldon: It's just a bit more expensive and likes to drink.
[3241.74] Frank: I'm really enjoying watching Curry just kind of glaze over.
[3245.58] NJ: Between me and Sheldon, we've got him cornered.
[3248.58] NJ: You see this?
[3249.58] NJ: Yeah.
[3250.58] NJ: You can't do anything about this.
[3251.58] NJ: I'm almost done.
[3252.58] Curry: I'm just saying.
[3253.58] Curry: I'm just carrying my words and numbers.
[3255.58] Sheldon: So the difference with the Garrett is the actual shaft of the turbine.
[3262.58] Sheldon: Yes.
[3265.58] Sheldon: The actual shaft of the turbine drives the gearbox.
[3268.58] Sheldon: So it takes a lot more work to start it,
[3270.58] Sheldon: because when you start the engine,
[3271.58] Sheldon: you also have to spin up the gearbox
[3273.58] Sheldon: and the propeller, but it burns less fuel.
[3277.58] Sheldon: It's the main advantage,
[3278.58] Sheldon: and you get quicker throttle response.
[3280.58] Sheldon: But you can't really do that very easily with a model,
[3283.58] Sheldon: because this little turbine spins,
[3285.58] Sheldon: it idles at 85,000 RPM,
[3288.58] Sheldon: and full whack is 260,000.
[3292.58] Sheldon: So trying to take a power takeoff from that
[3295.58] Sheldon: and then gear it down to something reasonable for a propeller,
[3298.58] Sheldon: it's not very practical.
[3301.58] NJ: It's quite a reduction gear.
[3302.58] NJ: It'd probably be several times wider than the model.
[3305.58] Curry: Maybe if you just used a really tiny propeller, it would be okay.
[3309.58] NJ: Yeah, that's one of them.
[3310.58] Curry: It's like a quarter-inch little thing.
[3313.58] Sheldon: It's already got a little propeller on it,
[3315.58] Sheldon: so you could, I mean, you know, on the front.
[3318.58] Sheldon: So you could do that, but it wouldn't be very effective.
[3323.58] Sheldon: Anyway, that's model jets.
[3325.58] Sheldon: They're not that big of a deal anymore.
[3327.58] Sheldon: They're everywhere.
[3328.58] Sheldon: They're not that expensive anymore.
[3330.58] Sheldon: Although the only other thing I wanted to say
[3332.58] Sheldon: is people talk about jet trainers,
[3334.58] Sheldon: which doesn't really make sense,
[3335.58] Sheldon: because if you're buying a turbine,
[3336.58] Sheldon: you'd hope that you already know how to fly.
[3339.58] Sheldon: So getting a trainer model is a bit silly, in my opinion.
[3343.58] Frank: I always assumed it was to train you to fly a jet.
[3347.58] Sheldon: There's no difference.
[3348.58] Sheldon: The throttle takes a little bit longer to respond,
[3350.58] Sheldon: and the engine never stops.
[3352.58] Sheldon: Those are the differences, unless you run out of fuel.
[3356.58] Sheldon: But no, I mean, a little bit of forethought, and you're fine.
[3361.58] Sheldon: But I don't think there's anyone who,
[3364.58] Sheldon: because a typical jet train is like a boomerang or a scalloper,
[3367.58] Sheldon: if you can't fly one of them,
[3369.58] Sheldon: there will be no one who can safely fly one of those,
[3372.58] Sheldon: but can't safely fly a scale jet like an F-16 or something.
[3377.58] Sheldon: It's not going to happen, so unnecessary.
[3382.58] Sheldon: I'm not sure that really added anything
[3383.58] Sheldon: to the Let's Drone Out podcast.
[3386.58] Curry: I would just say that Caroline is echoing my feelings completely.
[3390.58] Curry: They're not expensive, they're commonplace.
[3392.58] Curry: It's all subjective and relative,
[3395.58] Curry: depending on your various levels of moneybags in your podcast.
[3399.58] NJ: I was going to point this out.
[3401.58] NJ: I was going to point this out, but I thought I'm just going to let you talk.
[3403.58] Sheldon: Hold on. What's behind you, Neil?
[3405.58] Sheldon: What are those controls, Brian?
[3407.58] NJ: Well, that's different.
[3408.58] NJ: That's professional equipment.
[3409.58] NJ: No, it's not.
[3410.58] Sheldon: The thing I would say on that
[3415.58] Sheldon: is it depends where you've come from in the modeling world.
[3418.58] Sheldon: If you came from line of sight models
[3421.58] Sheldon: where it's pretty normal for people to spend 500 quid on a Futaba radio,
[3426.58] Sheldon: 200 quid on servos for a model,
[3428.58] Sheldon: another 300 on an engine,
[3430.58] Sheldon: and then 500 on an airframe,
[3432.58] Sheldon: suddenly spending, say, a grand on the secondhand turbine
[3436.58] Sheldon: isn't actually that big of a stretch.
[3439.58] Sheldon: But obviously, if you've come from the hobbyking world
[3441.58] Sheldon: with building your first quad for 100 quid
[3444.58] Sheldon: or with a 60-quid fly-sky radio,
[3446.58] Sheldon: there's absolutely nothing wrong with that,
[3448.58] Sheldon: and you get much more value for money, and it's generally much more fun.
[3451.58] NJ: That second point of reference
[3453.58] NJ: was suddenly talking to the audience and the other member of the podcast.
[3457.58] NJ: Sure.
[3460.58] Sheldon: It's a better way to do it, in my opinion.
[3464.58] NJ: Sponsor and glue.
[3465.58] NJ: That's where I came from.
[3468.58] NJ: Back in the day of doping wings as well.
[3471.58] NJ: Oh, wow.
[3472.58] NJ: Anyone's ever done that.
[3475.58] NJ: I was actually allowed.
[3476.58] NJ: This is how old I am.
[3477.58] NJ: I was actually allowed.
[3478.58] NJ: I took a model into my junior school
[3481.58] NJ: and asked for lunch break if they minded
[3484.58] NJ: if I applied the tin of dope with the brush
[3487.58] NJ: to the wings of my class, which they were fine with.
[3490.58] NJ: Of course, there were other kids in the room,
[3492.58] NJ: and there were no windows open.
[3494.58] NJ: That's a good one.
[3495.58] NJ: This one had a great time.
[3496.58] NJ: Doping these wings, watching them shrink around that,
[3501.58] NJ: and it was only after the end of the lunch break
[3504.58] NJ: when there's six of us in here at this point pretty stoned
[3508.58] NJ: for a bunch of eight, nine-year-olds
[3512.58] NJ: that the teacher came in and said,
[3514.58] NJ: oh, it's very strong smelling in here.
[3516.58] NJ: Perhaps we should open a window.
[3519.58] Curry: I have to say, I'm confused with the word doping wings,
[3521.58] Curry: but the result I was thinking in my head got the same.
[3525.58] Curry: It was the end of the day with these stoned eight-
[3527.58] Curry: and nine-year-olds.
[3528.58] NJ: Yeah.
[3529.58] NJ: Yeah.
[3530.58] NJ: It's exactly what it was called.
[3533.58] NJ: Yeah, exactly.
[3534.58] NJ: There we go.
[3535.58] Sheldon: I don't know if you can read that.
[3537.58] Sheldon: The spiel.
[3538.58] Sheldon: Cleared.
[3539.58] Sheldon: Cleared non-shrinking dope.
[3541.58] Sheldon: There you go.
[3542.58] NJ: There you go.
[3543.58] Jack: That's stuff.
[3544.58] Jack: I love Sheldon trying to relate to common people.
[3548.58] Jack: Prime ministers like trying to pretend they're human.
[3552.58] Tony: They're doing a really good job at the moment.
[3554.58] Jack: There's nothing wrong with that.
[3559.58] UNKNOWN: I remember when-
[3560.58] NJ: I just gave off a load of Uranus.
[3562.58] NJ: I remember when once the whole doping wings thing wasn't cool
[3566.58] NJ: and they came out with a film that you had to put on with an iron.
[3569.58] NJ: Did anyone remember that?
[3570.58] NJ: You had to iron the stuff on the wings
[3573.58] NJ: and then eventually that went away.
[3575.58] Sheldon: That's why everyone's still using.
[3577.58] Sheldon: Iron on film, that's why everyone still uses.
[3579.58] Sheldon: They're still doing that?
[3581.58] Sheldon: Yeah, that's the standard thing.
[3585.58] NJ: That's the start.
[3586.58] NJ: I remember spending hours putting that stuff on a president trainer,
[3591.58] NJ: which was a high-wing trainer back in the day with a 50cc engine in it.
[3595.58] NJ: 50cc?
[3596.58] NJ: It definitely wasn't that.
[3598.58] NJ: 0.5, keep the gauge.
[3600.58] NJ: 0.5, yeah, yeah.
[3602.58] NJ: 50cc would be brilliant.
[3604.58] NJ: That's it.
[3606.58] NJ: Yeah.
[3607.58] Tony: That's just to do your sleeves, isn't it?
[3610.58] Tony: It took weeks.
[3612.58] NJ: It takes weeks to do it and so much time
[3615.58] NJ: and then that was the first plane I managed to immediately crash.
[3619.58] NJ: And then I thought, well, I'm not doing that again.
[3621.58] NJ: Can you imagine doing all that and then...
[3624.58] NJ: Yeah.
[3625.58] Jack: Thank God, no.
[3626.58] Jack: Should we call it there, guys?
[3628.58] Jack: I think we are there.
[3630.58] Frank: Unfortunately, we didn't have NJ's weekly aerodynamics lecture,
[3635.58] Frank: but we did get away with it this time.
[3637.58] NJ: There we go.
[3638.58] Curry: If we can talk enough, we can stop him showing us that diagram again,
[3642.58] Curry: showing us to press away.
[3644.58] NJ: This has made me play my long game
[3646.58] NJ: to make sure you're all on your toes and chatting lots
[3648.58] NJ: during the Let's Own Our cocktails.
[3650.58] NJ: If you don't, I'll get in there with some aerodynamic facts.
[3653.58] Jack: You've been joined by our overlord and master Andrew Snashrank.
[3658.58] Jack: Hi.
[3659.58] Jack: The legend Cockwomble himself.
[3663.58] Jack: Oh, goodbye.
[3665.58] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[3667.58] Jack: Goodbye.
[3669.58] Jack: Hey, Lily.
[3671.58] Jack: I love you.
[3672.58] Jack: You're so much nicer than Blue Owl.
[3676.58] Curry: Blue Owl's not been here long,
[3678.58] Curry: and we already trust them all than you.
[3681.58] Jack: It's not difficult.
[3683.58] Jack: Yeah, the lovely, the wonderful Blue Owl.
[3686.58] BlueOwl: Oh, bye.
[3689.58] Jack: NJ, the sexiest man alive.
[3692.58] NJ: One day, one day, it's just going to be NJ.
[3695.58] NJ: Just NJ.
[3696.58] NJ: See you guys next week.
[3698.58] Jack: The transonic NJ.
[3700.58] Jack: There you go.
[3701.58] Jack: They did that one then, and then just have him complain.
[3706.58] Jack: And my little vegan chicken nugget.
[3711.58] Jack: Bonjour.
[3712.58] Jack: Tony.
[3713.58] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3715.58] Jack: Tally ho.
[3716.58] BlueOwl: Bye.
[3717.58] BlueOwl: Telemetry lost.
[3719.58] BlueOwl: Oh, I have a headache.
[3721.58] BlueOwl: I'm so grumpy today, guys.