=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 302 === Title: LDO 302 - Away with the ARI3S Recorded: 2021-06-10 Hosts: Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Klaudyna "Kaja" "BlueOwl" Wrochna, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews Guest(s): Stephen "ARI3S" Smith Total audience: 2,257 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYjkLxRn5uc); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1066813060-letsdroneout-ldo-302.mp3) ===================================== [0.0] Curry: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, the original and best drone theme podcast. [5.0] Curry: We record the show live on the Thursday night on youtube.com forward slash Let's Drone Out [9.8] Curry: and our lovely patrons help with the editing costs. [12.2] (Patrons): These are Wacky Wes, Mikey Dred, Art Faulkner, Carlos Campos. [19.0] (Patrons): Thank you. [20.2] (Patrons): Hello, I'm a tree recovery. [21.4] (Patrons): Let's Drone Out now. [51.28] Jack: Welcome back to another episode of Let's Drone Out. [56.68] Jack: It's tonight hosting us and in charge when doing the rest of the intro, you've got Blue [62.6] Jack: Owl. [63.6] BlueOwl: Hi. [64.6] Jack: Who else is here, Blue Owl? [69.88] BlueOwl: You're here. [70.88] BlueOwl: Frank's here. [71.88] BlueOwl: Steve's here. [72.88] BlueOwl: Hi, everyone. [73.88] BlueOwl: Good evening. [74.88] BlueOwl: Good evening. [75.88] Jack: Frank. [76.88] Jack: Hello. [78.28] Jack: Frank. [79.28] Jack: Hello. [80.28] Jack: And I'm apparently One Pack Jack. [83.68] Jack: Thanks, Tony. [84.68] Jack: Or it was it was Curry Kitten anyway, wasn't it? [89.28] Jack: I'm thinking about maybe releasing a battery brand and calling them One Packs. [95.88] Jack: Might be genius. [97.88] Jack: Might be actual genius. [99.88] Jack: So we've got no Curry Kitten and we've got no Tony. [103.88] Jack: Tony is being both away at the same time. [107.08] Frank: I think that's suspicious. [108.48] Curry: I'm gay, mum. [110.48] Curry: I've never really experimented with upping their arse. [113.08] (Patrons): That's how we like it. [120.08] Jack: Has anyone flown this week? [122.08] (Patrons): No. [124.46] BlueOwl: What is flying? [126.46] BlueOwl: What is flying? [128.46] (Patrons): Is that a thing anyway? [131.46] Frank: But we haven't yet talked about [137.46] Frank: our bank holiday trip yet. [139.46] Frank: Me, Jack and Tony and Danny went out and flew on the bank holiday a couple of weeks ago. [151.46] Frank: So we went out to a field in the middle of nowhere out near Ditchling Beacon. [160.46] Frank: And what did we all fly? [164.46] Frank: I mean, I flew like a pack before my quad decided it didn't want. [171.46] Frank: Well, I thought initially it was the quad who decided, no, I'm not going to listen to anything anymore. [179.46] Frank: I'll turn on them. [180.46] Frank: That's it. [182.46] Frank: And then we plugged it into the because Jack obviously comes prepared. [187.46] Frank: He had his laptop and we plugged that into the configurator and looked at the receiver tab and there was nothing there. [195.46] Frank: So we checked the radio. [198.46] Frank: The radio said it was absolutely fine. [201.46] Frank: So I think radio is not working. [205.46] Frank: Well, we thought at that point it was the receiver. [207.46] Frank: But then later, flying the UMX Radian, I was flying that and all of a sudden that locked up. [214.46] Frank: And again, it didn't say it had lost signal. [217.46] Frank: It didn't say RSSI low, RSSI critical. [221.46] Frank: Didn't have any issues. [223.46] Frank: It said it was still connected, but it was just there was no response from the sticks. [228.46] Frank: So I think my Tyrannus has died possibly. [232.46] Frank: So I asked around in the LDO discord, which there is an LDO discord. [238.46] Frank: And I also asked painless because I asked painless about these things. [243.46] Frank: And I have bought a Radiomaster TX16S. [249.46] Frank: That's what I bought. [251.46] Aries: I could have given you mine sat on the wall over here. [255.46] Aries: It's been there for like it's been there for 18 months. [258.46] Aries: Do you not use it? No. [261.46] Jack: I see. [263.46] Aries: Because I've got the Tyrannus. [266.46] Jack: He's got the Mr. Steve version. [269.46] (Patrons): Yeah. [271.46] (Patrons): Nice. [272.46] Aries: I'm trying to downsize all my gear into a small compact package. [277.46] (Patrons): Don't like that. [278.46] Aries: Yeah. [279.46] Aries: So it's easier to take up the mountains rather than, you know, the BPX3 Pro backpacks and stuff. [286.46] Aries: That's just getting annoying. [288.46] Aries: So I'm trying to downsize everything into a small manageable. [291.46] Frank: Yeah. [292.46] Frank: I was looking at some of the smaller radios, but my tick boxes were I wanted USB-C charging. [301.46] Frank: Definitely. [302.46] Aries: Yep. [303.46] Frank: I wanted both because I've got some UMX models. [307.46] Frank: So I wanted the SMX and I wanted because I've got a load of a far sky receivers. [314.46] Frank: I wanted to be able to still talk to them. [317.46] Frank: So I wanted something with a majority protocol built into it. [322.46] Frank: And I mean, ideally I wanted something smaller, but there was nothing that had all four. [328.46] Aries: Yeah. [329.46] Frank: That's a problem. [330.46] Frank: Because I'm a pincher, so I wanted. [332.46] Frank: Same. [333.46] Frank: Yeah. [334.46] Frank: Because I was looking at the T-light, the jumper T-light, which takes all the other [339.46] Frank: boxes apart from it's only really good for thumbs. [342.46] Frank: And then I was like, I can't be doing that. [346.46] BlueOwl: Why is that? [347.46] BlueOwl: Is it because it's so small or is it the sticks? [351.46] Frank: It's where the sticks, how the gimbals are compared to the rest of the radio, I think, [357.46] Frank: from what I've seen people are just saying, like, you can't get a good grip of it. [361.46] Frank: It's basically falling out your hands by the time. [364.46] Frank: Because it's so high up. [366.46] Frank: The gimbals are so high up, I think. [369.46] Frank: I can't remember which way around it is. [371.46] Frank: Well, everyone who's reviewed it has said it's no good if you're pinching. [375.46] Frank: All right. [376.46] Frank: Okay. [377.46] Aries: Yeah. [378.46] Aries: I mean, your kids, you know, not trying to promote TBS or anything like that. [382.46] Aries: They do fantastic products. [386.46] Aries: No, but what I want to say is the Tango 2 does have the ability to have the GR module [393.46] Aries: add-on. [394.46] Aries: So you can have a multi-protocol that way. [397.46] Aries: But you need to upgrade the PCB inside first to be able to get that function. [403.46] Aries: I was on the same line. [406.46] Aries: I've got a lot of six and eight channel FrSky receivers in wings and planes in the shed [413.46] Aries: that I've not touched on in a long time. [416.46] Aries: But I've been looking at ways of getting that small, compact radio system together. [422.46] Aries: And that seems to be the way forward. [424.46] Aries: So I'm going to take a look at that this summer, hopefully. [428.46] Frank: Do they do a tracer version of the Tango? [431.46] Frank: Does that exist? [433.46] Aries: It's just the extra module, isn't it? [437.46] Jack: Yeah, they do the module. [439.46] Frank: But it's not building. [440.46] Frank: They do the module, yeah. [441.46] Frank: Because that's what I'm thinking. [443.46] Frank: If I'm going anywhere, I'm not going to bother with crossfire. [446.46] Frank: Because as much as everyone's crossfire is fine, I fly with groups of people more than [454.46] Frank: I fly long range. [456.46] Frank: And I've just seen in races where they're like, you have to be in this particular mode [460.46] Frank: to make sure that you don't swamp the 800 megahertz band and all that. [465.46] Frank: This feels like we're getting back to pegboards and things. [468.46] Frank: I don't like this idea at all. [470.46] Frank: I want to just be able to turn on my radio and not have to worry about it. [474.46] Frank: So if I'm going anywhere, I'm going tracer or ghost. [479.46] Jack: I think that the problem is back then was everyone showed up with their TBS transmitters [487.46] Jack: and I reckon they had him on full power and sending telemetry and everything. [494.46] Frank: But that's the point, isn't it? [496.46] Frank: It's still at races. [497.46] Frank: They're like, you have to make sure you've turned off your telemetry. [500.46] Frank: It's such a small bandwidth that we're having to turn off features to have four people [509.46] Frank: racing or six people racing. [511.46] Frank: How's that going to work when I've got 20 people that I want to fly with? [514.46] Frank: This sounds terrible. [516.46] Frank: Yeah, that's a bit annoying. [518.46] Frank: Obviously FPV is tricky to fly with 20 people, but I do fly a load of line of sight. [523.46] Frank: So that makes things a bit weird. [527.46] Jack: Yeah. [528.46] Jack: That was my biggest mistake selling my X9D. [531.46] Jack: I should never have sold it. [534.46] Jack: I've still got mine. [536.46] Jack: I don't know what's wrong with it. [538.46] Jack: It's awful crap. [540.46] Jack: Aries, I might have a buyer for your... [543.46] Jack: Is it RadioMaster? [545.46] Aries: It's Jumper. [547.46] Jack: Jumper. [548.46] Jack: So I've got a buddy who's got his jumper. [555.46] Jack: And has he got type C on the top of it? [559.46] Jack: Or is it micro USB? [562.46] Aries: Hold on, let me see. [564.46] Frank: Because that was my problem with the Jumper TX12 that I was... [568.46] Frank: T12, whatever it is. [570.46] Frank: Jumper 12 I was also looking at. [572.46] Frank: Because that's a smaller one. [574.46] Frank: But that's like mini USB. [576.46] Frank: Tranis has mini USB. That's like six years old. [579.46] Frank: Mini USB was dead then. [581.46] Jack: So he got his and someone's put an upgraded type C connector thing in it. [590.46] Jack: And it will not connect to the computer. [593.46] Jack: So if anyone's got a solution to that, please let me know. [597.46] Aries: I need to check the ground on the connector pins. [601.46] Jack: Really? [603.46] Jack: What? [605.46] Aries: It's just USB, isn't it? [607.46] Aries: Universal serial bus. [609.46] Jack: Yeah, I know. [611.46] Jack: Someone's put like a... [613.46] Jack: Someone's done this sort of mod to put type C in it. [618.46] Aries: Sounds like they just de-soldered the original one and then added on the type C connector. [623.46] Aries: So they'll need to check the ground for it. [627.46] Aries: And make sure they're getting the right voltage. [629.46] Aries: Because it takes different to the mini USB. [635.46] Aries: On Micro. [637.46] Jack: Yeah, I just can't get it to update in OpenTX or anything. [641.46] Jack: The solution is to buy a radio master. [644.46] Jack: Yeah, I'll let them know. [647.46] Frank: I feel like there's going to be this feud now between Tracer and Ghost being like the Windows and Mac. [656.46] Frank: And then there's going to be Express LRS being the Linux in the corner. [660.46] Aries: See, that's one thing I wanted to talk about as well, is Express LRS. [664.46] Aries: That is tasty. [666.46] Jack: What I've seen of it is thoroughly impressed me. [670.46] Frank: Yeah. [672.46] Frank: To start off with, what are those three? [677.46] Frank: Both Tracer and Ghost are 2.4GHz protocols based off of the same hardware, effectively the same radio chip. [690.46] Frank: And obviously the Tracer is the TBS one, so all the kind of, what they call of it is the engine. [700.46] Frank: It's the same code that they've built for Crossfire. [704.46] Frank: It's just modified to work for this particular chip. [707.46] Frank: So it works on 2.4GHz. [709.46] Frank: And the Ghost is obviously built from scratch for this chip. [715.46] Frank: So that's kind of their competing stories there. [719.46] Frank: Ours is better because most of the code has been sitting there on Crossfire for years, so you can be sure it works. [728.46] Frank: And then Ghost is like, ah, but we've built it specifically for this, so it'll be better in these ways because it's using these other features. [736.46] Frank: And we're not having to compete with our other product, which we'll see. [741.46] Frank: And then there's Express LRS. [744.46] Frank: I don't really know much about it. [746.46] Frank: Is it still 2.4 or is it 900? [748.46] Frank: I couldn't work out what's going on there. [751.46] Aries: 86895. [754.46] Aries: So it's the same as Crossfire. [757.46] Aries: So it's the same as Crossfire. [758.46] Frank: OK. [759.46] Aries: It's not 2.4. [760.46] Aries: But the receivers are tiny. [764.46] Aries: And when I say tiny, they're smaller than a five pence piece. [768.46] Frank: That's small. [769.46] Frank: For everyone who doesn't know what a five pence piece is, it's small. [774.46] Aries: It's about the size of a young lady's pinky nail. [777.46] Aries: Yeah. [780.46] Aries: So pick that size if you like it. [783.46] BlueOwl: That's her time if you want it. [789.46] Aries: So that's what had me interested. [792.46] Aries: It's nothing. [793.46] Aries: You look at some receivers and you're like, where am I going to put this monstrosity? [797.46] Aries: You know, an 8-channel FrSky receiver with diversity and tenors. [801.46] Aries: You're like, I need a whole back section of my quad to stick this in. [805.46] Aries: But when you've got this Express LRS, tiny little module, just wrap it and shrink, [810.46] Aries: wrap and tuck it away somewhere and you're done. [813.46] Frank: Yeah. [814.46] Frank: I mean, to be honest, I don't have a problem with FrSky and the AWCST, [820.46] Frank: which the protocol that runs on or that has run on, [824.46] Frank: because I've got loads of those receivers. [826.46] Frank: I'm happy with them. [827.46] Frank: I can fly further than I want to on those because I just fly in a park or FPV, [835.46] Frank: not a huge amount of power. [836.46] Frank: So I don't care. [837.46] Frank: I'm not flying far away. [839.46] Frank: I don't care. [840.46] Frank: But why I'm looking for a new radio system is because I can't get the receivers [847.46] Frank: because FrSky are now selling access receivers or archer receivers, [852.46] Frank: whatever the new one is, and all the other kind of knockoff receivers, [857.46] Frank: like RadioMaster brought out FrSky receivers, [860.46] Frank: and now you can't get them anywhere, presumably because FrSky went... [864.46] Frank: You can't be doing that. [867.46] Frank: So I would happily just stick with my Tyrannus if it works, [872.46] Frank: and I would happily stick with AWCST, but can't get them. [877.46] Frank: So I'm just going to have to buy a new module and invest in a new system. [883.46] Frank: I mean, that's why the multi-protocol is good, [886.46] Frank: is because at the moment I can use all the models I already have, [890.46] Frank: but I do need to buy a new module that has receivers I can actually get hold of. [896.46] Frank: And I feel like both ImmersionRC and TBS are secure enough [901.46] Frank: and have been around long enough and know their way around supply chains enough [906.46] Frank: that the supply of both their receivers is probably fairly equal in the future. [912.46] Frank: So I don't think one of them is a safer bet than the other on that way, [917.46] Frank: but Express LRS, I feel like... [921.46] Frank: I don't know who's behind that particularly. [923.46] Frank: I don't have a supply of that. [926.46] Frank: Yes, in a year's time I will definitely be able to buy Express LRS receivers. [931.46] Frank: I'm not sure about that. [933.46] Aries: As far as I'm aware, the source for these is like Aliexpress, [938.46] Aries: if you're in the UK anyway, China shipping and all that stuff. [942.46] Aries: But one thing to note around all these transmitter-receiver combos is cost. [951.46] Aries: If anyone's in the chat and they're new to FPV or flying model toys or whatever, [959.46] Aries: cost can be a big factor. [961.46] Aries: And Express LRS is quite cheap in comparison. [965.46] Aries: So like the receivers themselves, you're looking at 12 to 13 quid [970.46] Aries: rather than 28 to 30 for some. [974.46] Aries: That is true. [976.46] Aries: It's just another option, you know, and it's open source as well. [983.34] Aries: So there's a lot of community support. [988.91] Frank: I think I've just been a bit spoiled by having a Taranis for six years [993.91] Frank: and just like I can buy the same, effectively the same receiver for the six years [999.91] Frank: and I don't have to invest in any new hardware. [1002.91] Frank: And I'm like, if I buy an Express LRS, [1006.91] Frank: I feel like that's going to be a year before the hardware has changed so much [1010.91] Frank: that I have to buy another new module. [1013.91] Frank: But I'm not entirely convinced that even if I bought a ghost module [1017.91] Frank: or a tracer module that in two years time I wouldn't have to buy another one [1021.91] Frank: because they've upgraded the protocol, the hardware and it's all changed again. [1027.91] Frank: There's a bit of hype train kind of planned obsolescence going back to, [1032.91] Frank: going back a couple of weeks. [1034.91] Aries: Yeah. [1035.91] Aries: The worst hashtag ever is hype train in this, in this hobby. [1042.91] Aries: Oh man. [1044.91] Frank: I'm happy to ignore the hype train until it means that I can't buy stuff that I need. [1050.91] Jack: I have plenty of receivers, Frank, if you need any regards, Free Sky. [1055.91] Frank: That is true. [1057.91] Jack: So if you need any, let me know. [1060.91] Jack: Because I have got an unused RadioMaster one as well. [1064.91] Jack: That's a D8, isn't it? [1066.91] Jack: So about six pins on it. [1069.91] Frank: I would never fly a D8 in the UK. [1072.91] Frank: That would be entirely illegal. [1075.91] Aries: I would be wrong, Jack. [1077.91] Jack: You can, his legacy. [1079.91] Jack: You bought it before that came in. [1083.91] Frank: Yes, that's what I meant. [1085.91] Frank: I would fly the ones I already own, obviously. [1088.91] Frank: I wouldn't fly the one that I bought off of you because that would be wrong. [1091.91] Jack: No, it's been here forever, 2014, 15. [1096.91] Frank: Does it make a difference if you've bought it and then sold it to me? [1101.61] Frank: I don't know how that works. [1103.61] Frank: I won't ask off-com. [1105.61] Frank: That sounds like a bad idea. [1107.61] Jack: It's like, you know, you can't buy that important card. [1113.61] Jack: You know, on emissions. [1116.61] Frank: Richard Warwick says, don't forget to frequency tune on multi-protocol modules when using FRSky. [1121.61] Frank: I've seen stuff about this. [1123.61] Frank: So when I bind to my multi-protocol module that's in the RadioMaster, [1132.61] Frank: I can bind that to an FRSky receiver and then also have to tune the frequency. [1139.61] Frank: Seems weird. [1141.61] Frank: And there's also like a million, because they're exposing all the different versions of the protocol. [1149.18] Frank: I mean, I got the RadioMaster the other day and turned it on. [1152.18] Frank: I can work out for ages, but I actually had to look it up how to change the module. [1156.18] Frank: So I'm pressing all the buttons and nothing's happening. [1159.18] Frank: I don't understand what's going on. [1161.18] Frank: It's a model from one to another one. [1164.18] Frank: It turns out OpenTX has changed a lot in the years since I had my Tyrannus. [1172.18] Aries: I have not updated OpenTX in like two and a half years. [1177.18] Aries: So I've no idea what's next. [1180.18] Jack: There's nothing new. [1182.18] Jack: We still haven't made it over to three yet. [1185.18] Jack: So that's why all this EdgeTX is coming out. [1189.18] Jack: Long story short, Frank, you can get the TBS agent light on your transmitter if you've gone with the T16. [1203.18] Jack: And it's kind of like an app, so that's kind of nice. [1206.18] Frank: Well, this is the thing, isn't it? [1208.18] Frank: That's what's kind of floored me, like doing things that I can do in seconds on my Tyrannus. [1213.18] Frank: I'm now going to have to spend time watching probably a lot of Painters' videos. [1218.18] Frank: Because it's gone from being a screen with about 30 pixels on it, and in black and white. [1227.18] Frank: So you can have widgets in the corner and you can have multiple different things going on. [1235.18] Frank: There's too many options here. [1239.18] Frank: I just want to pick a model and fly it. [1241.18] Frank: Can't I just do that? [1243.18] Frank: But I'm sure I'll learn it soon enough and it'll be fine. [1248.18] Frank: But it was a shock. [1253.18] Jack: There's a guy who's killed his GoPro 7, and I can't find his post. [1259.18] Jack: So if anyone knows a post, I've got a spare part. [1265.18] Jack: Yeah, on Facebook. [1267.18] Jack: If anyone knows a post. [1270.18] Jack: Yeah, I've got to go on Facebook. [1274.18] Frank: I'm trying to pass that. [1277.18] Frank: Right. [1279.18] Frank: So you mean, I'll guess what he means. [1283.18] Frank: Someone's posted on Facebook. [1285.18] Frank: Someone's posted on Facebook that their GoPro is broken. [1288.18] Frank: Yes. [1289.18] Frank: Jack has the parts to fix it. [1291.18] Frank: He can't find the post anymore. [1293.18] Frank: If anyone in the chat knows where that post is and can share the link with Jack, [1297.18] Frank: he'll then get in touch with them to work out what address to send those parts to. [1304.18] Frank: I think that's what that meant. [1309.18] BlueOwl: That's a real skill here, Frank. [1313.18] Frank: I was getting very confused between posting the parts and posting on Facebook. [1320.18] Frank: I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. [1323.18] Frank: We'll find out. [1325.52] Frank: Numskull says you can get maps in iNav. [1328.52] Frank: What? [1330.52] Frank: No, I don't like this. [1333.52] Frank: No, I'm going back to control line. [1336.52] Frank: Just give me a bit of rope and the thing on the end. [1340.52] Frank: Too much. [1345.82] Aries: That'd be pretty cool, right? [1347.82] Aries: Get some gradient maps on your in-colour screen in just a little triangle. [1356.82] Frank: Is Edge TX the beta flight of OpenTX? [1360.82] Frank: Is that what's going on? [1362.82] Frank: We had Penis on the other day. [1365.82] Frank: Talking a bit about this, I think. [1369.82] Frank: I've still not quite understood Edge TX, the beta flight of OpenTX. [1376.82] Frank: I know it sounds about. [1377.82] Frank: That sounds about as much as I understand about it. [1380.82] Frank: Lurgy says I should have gone for the little jumper. [1384.68] Frank: But the little jumper has mini-USB. [1387.68] Frank: I don't have a mini-USB cable to hand. [1390.68] BlueOwl: You could buy this one. [1393.68] BlueOwl: Come on. [1395.68] Frank: I keep one with my Tyrannus, but that's the problem. [1399.68] Frank: When that breaks, I always have to buy a new one. [1402.68] Frank: Whereas at least USB-C, I have them everywhere. [1406.68] Frank: USB-C's anywhere and I can immediately just go and grab one. [1410.68] Frank: You used to be able to go to Maplin and grab a micro USB cable. [1414.68] Frank: Okay. [1415.68] Frank: Is Maplin before or after control line? [1418.68] Frank: I'm a bit not sure. [1425.3] Frank: Nomskull says Edge is going to be like the test bed for new stuff. [1431.3] Frank: I don't want that because that sounds like you have to update it a lot. [1434.3] Frank: As we've established, you should buy a radio, [1439.3] Frank: update it then, and then never touch it ever again. [1442.3] Frank: That's how radios work. [1444.3] Frank: This is my understanding. [1446.3] Frank: Unless Jack gets hold of it and then he flashes weird stuff onto it [1449.3] Frank: and then you have to reset all the sound packs [1452.3] Frank: and everything goes horribly wrong. [1455.3] BlueOwl: I fully agree with GMagFPB who says, [1459.3] BlueOwl: and that is his prior leases. [1461.3] BlueOwl: I don't know. [1462.3] BlueOwl: Just go and fly. [1463.3] BlueOwl: Just fly. [1464.3] BlueOwl: That's why I've been so quiet. [1466.3] BlueOwl: It's like all these software updates, firmware updates, whatever. [1471.3] BlueOwl: Exactly. [1472.3] BlueOwl: What radio do you use? [1473.3] BlueOwl: It's bits and pieces. [1474.3] BlueOwl: Just go out and fly if it works. [1476.3] Frank: That works perfectly fine for me for the past six years. [1479.3] Frank: It's all my radio is broken. [1482.3] BlueOwl: Do you remember the times when FPV was just so simple? [1486.3] BlueOwl: If you managed to get the image in your goggles, [1490.3] BlueOwl: that was just good enough and nobody really cared about having an OSD or whatever. [1495.3] BlueOwl: OSD was a new thing for me when I restored it. [1499.3] BlueOwl: I was like, wow, a mind blown. [1502.3] BlueOwl: Yeah, just flying. [1504.3] BlueOwl: That's what it's all about. [1507.3] Frank: I remember when you get a black and white image in your goggles, [1511.3] Frank: you're like, good, I still have connection. [1514.3] Frank: My antenna hasn't just fallen off. [1517.3] Frank: It's a good day. [1519.3] BlueOwl: Yeah. [1521.3] Frank: We've also had people in the Discord asking about video receivers [1528.3] Frank: and stuff about antennas and goggles and things, [1531.3] Frank: and there's been a whole long discussion about what you need [1535.3] Frank: and stuff in there. [1537.3] Frank: I've still got my digital signal processing even. [1546.3] Frank: It's not rapid fire. [1548.3] Frank: It's not fusion. [1549.3] Frank: It's not anything like that. [1551.3] Frank: It's just a pair of antennas connected to a pair of receivers [1555.3] Frank: and it picks the best one. [1556.3] Frank: That's simple diversity and it works. [1559.3] Frank: It's fine. [1560.3] Frank: I've not had any problems with it. [1562.3] Frank: I can fly as far as I want to. [1564.3] Aries: None of this multiplexing nonsense. [1567.3] Aries: He just got one antenna or the other. [1570.3] Aries: Yep, absolutely. [1573.3] Frank: It's fine. [1574.3] Frank: I have the antenna that's pointing where my face is pointing [1578.3] Frank: and the antenna that's pointing slightly upwards. [1581.3] Frank: That's what I have. [1582.3] Frank: So that when I'm keeping my head up, I have signal. [1586.3] Frank: When my head drops, I also have signal. [1589.3] Aries: When you Stevie Wonder. [1591.3] Frank: Yeah, exactly. [1594.3] Aries: I'm pretty much the same. [1597.3] Aries: I've been running rapid fire since it released [1600.3] Aries: and it's been fine for me. [1603.3] Frank: I've never had a situation flying with other people [1608.3] Frank: where someone on a rapid fire has still got a signal [1613.3] Frank: when I haven't. [1616.3] Frank: When I've been piggybacking on someone else's flying. [1621.3] Aries: What's spectating? [1623.3] Frank: Yes, yeah, exactly. [1626.3] Jack: I've had the rolling image more than I care to admit. [1630.3] Frank: Oh, is that on rapid fire? [1632.3] Jack: Yeah, rapid fire. [1634.3] Jack: I haven't had it for a while, but I have had it once or twice. [1639.3] Frank: Is that because you've flashed nightly builds [1642.3] Frank: of whatever firmware goes on that? [1644.3] Jack: No, that has not been an update for a while. [1647.3] Jack: Also, one for the Discord and one for the chat. [1652.3] Jack: I am in the market for a field charger, [1657.3] Jack: a mini one or two output field charger. [1661.3] Jack: Any recommendations? [1664.3] Jack: It's a reasonable price. What is that? [1667.3] Aries: ISTT, Q6 Nano. [1670.3] Jack: ISTT, what? [1673.3] Aries: Q? [1674.3] Aries: Q6 Nano. [1675.3] Jack: I know, okay. [1677.3] Frank: Well, because I bought a while ago, [1680.3] Frank: well, basically when we could fly again [1682.3] Frank: or when I could fly again, [1684.3] Frank: I bought the Toolkit RC M4Q, MQ4, whatever it is. [1691.3] Frank: The Toolkit RC charger that has four outputs. [1696.3] Frank: And got that great for like a week, [1700.3] Frank: and then all the connectors fell out of it, [1703.3] Frank: and they hadn't been soldered in. [1705.3] Frank: Was that what was going on here? [1707.3] Frank: Yeah, no one else has had this problem. [1710.3] Frank: I can't find anyone else who's had it. [1712.3] Frank: No one's reported it. [1713.3] Frank: None of the reviewers have heard anything about it. [1715.3] Frank: So I feel like if anyone had had this, [1718.3] Frank: then painless would have been shouted at by someone. [1723.3] Frank: And no one's heard about it. [1726.3] Frank: So I think I must have just got the only one [1728.3] Frank: that someone forgot to solder the connectors in. [1732.3] Aries: They had the last one before happy hour, didn't they? [1735.3] Aries: Yeah. [1736.3] Aries: I'll get that one on Monday and someone's going, [1737.3] Aries: oh, that needs to go out tomorrow. [1739.3] Aries: Exactly. [1741.3] Frank: Good enough. [1742.3] Frank: It's just in the wrong box, yeah. [1744.3] Frank: Yeah. [1745.3] Frank: So I've returned that and I'm awaiting a replacement [1750.3] Frank: because I was like, I'll go for the same thing again. [1753.3] Frank: What's the probability of that happening twice [1755.3] Frank: when no one else seems to have someone? [1757.3] Jack: Did you complain about it? [1759.3] Frank: Well, I complained about it in terms of, [1762.3] Frank: I took a picture of it. [1763.3] Frank: I heard it's meant to happen. [1765.3] Jack: Yeah, I know. [1766.3] Jack: I've been seeing it a lot. [1767.3] Aries: Is it a build-it-yourself one? [1770.3] Jack: Probably built-in, Joan. [1772.3] Jack: The thing is, I've been using it for like a week. [1775.3] Jack: It'll be absolutely fine. [1777.3] Jack: Oh, no. [1779.3] Aries: It tells you right on the box there. [1781.3] Aries: It says toolkit. [1783.3] Frank: It's very true. [1785.3] Frank: Just press fit the connectors up against it. [1788.3] Frank: It was enough to pass an amp without a problem, [1792.3] Frank: apparently, without explosions. [1795.3] Jack: Oh, my God. [1797.3] Jack: That is crazy. [1800.3] Jack: Do you want me to fix that for you? [1803.3] Jack: No, I've returned it and it's being replaced. [1807.3] Jack: Oh, fair enough. [1809.3] Jack: I can handle that. [1812.3] Jack: Hang on. [1813.3] Jack: I'm just trying to log into my [1820.3] Jack: Hobby RC account. [1822.3] Jack: Other retailers are available. [1825.3] Jack: Are they available on, what's your lot, [1828.3] Jack: Drone Is Life? [1830.3] Jack: I'll buy it from them if it is. [1832.3] Jack: It's not, unfortunately. [1835.3] Jack: When are they going to get batteries? [1838.3] Jack: Do you know? [1841.3] Aries: Well, Shane's been busy the last couple of weeks [1846.3] Aries: in Holland filming some racing boats. [1852.3] Frank: Oh, yeah. [1854.3] Frank: That's pretty cool. [1856.3] Aries: So, yeah, he's sending me selfies and stuff. [1860.3] Aries: I've been sat in the back of a rib [1864.3] Aries: with all these sailboats going past. [1867.3] Aries: It's quite funny. [1869.3] Jack: So, is Fran holding the four? [1872.3] Aries: I believe, yeah, I believe she's running things at home. [1878.3] Jack: Once again, women keeping stuff together. [1884.3] Jack: That was a positive thing to say. [1888.3] BlueOwl: Don't look at me like that. [1891.3] Frank: I had enough. [1919.3] Frank: You did miss earlier Blue Owl reminiscing about [1924.3] Frank: the new arrival of OSDs, which for you, Jack, [1932.3] Frank: are these little boards that add information [1936.3] Frank: so that you can actually see it through your goggles. [1939.3] Frank: It's a weird concept, I know, but if you saw it, [1942.3] Jack: you'd understand it. [1945.3] Jack: I have upgraded to, well, Apex is now. [1952.3] Jack: I have OSD. [1954.3] Jack: Wow, I flew last Saturday with OSD. [1959.3] Jack: I didn't pay much attention to it. [1962.3] Jack: Did you still fall out of the sky? [1965.3] Jack: No, no, it was absolutely fine. [1967.3] Jack: I'm just not happy with, I've got the fox ear toothless. [1974.3] Jack: You have to use mini cams. [1976.3] Jack: Not micro, not nano, but mini. [1979.3] Jack: Basically, I've just got a wall of carbon fiber either side. [1983.3] Jack: So, it's like flying through a sniper scope again. [1987.3] Jack: So, that sucks balls. [1989.3] Jack: But apart from that, once I get the right camera, [1991.3] Jack: I think I'm in business again. [1994.3] Jack: It's hard enough, Jack, to fly, let alone look at OSD. [1997.3] Jack: That's right, Grumpy. [1999.3] Jack: I have a 50-pound whoop with OSD. [2002.3] Jack: So, what's Blue Arrow talking about OSD? [2005.3] Jack: Reminiscing about OSD? [2008.3] Jack: Or has she become an OSD kind of girl? [2013.3] BlueOwl: I don't even have OSD. [2016.3] BlueOwl: Everybody asks me. [2018.3] Jack: It's the point of having an OSD when you're just literally [2020.3] Jack: killing the battery and looking at the sky. [2022.3] Jack: Exactly. [2023.3] Jack: I'm laughing. [2025.3] Jack: I've tuned into your YouTube flying. [2029.3] BlueOwl: My flights are like two minutes long. [2032.3] BlueOwl: So, what's the point? [2033.3] BlueOwl: I wouldn't even have time to look at the OSD. [2037.3] Jack: Robin, that was a nano and that was a perfect camera. [2041.3] Jack: Thank you for the Z's frame. [2045.3] Jack: But it's okay. [2047.3] Jack: It's mini now. [2049.3] Jack: But thank you, Robin. [2051.3] Frank: Caroline says OSD will distract Jack from backing into hills. [2059.3] Jack: Why am I here? [2061.3] Jack: I'm literally... [2065.68] Jack: The whole point of Tony being here is you mock him. [2068.68] Jack: He thinks the earth's flat. [2070.68] BlueOwl: But he's not here, so... [2072.68] BlueOwl: Sorry, it's a bit difficult back to you. [2075.68] Jack: No. [2076.68] Aries: So, Jack, I've just posted a link to that nano charger [2079.68] Aries: in our chat there. [2082.68] Jack: Oh, thank you. [2084.68] Aries: It's a cheap and cheerful 30 bucks. [2087.68] Aries: It comes in a range of colors. [2089.68] Frank: Robin FPV wants to know, [2091.68] Frank: Blue Owl, have you got any Whoops? [2093.68] Frank: Are you entering the international game of Whoop 3 this year? [2097.68] Frank: You have to make a video each week. [2100.68] Frank: What? [2101.68] BlueOwl: Oh, okay. [2102.68] BlueOwl: Probably not then. [2104.68] Frank: The idea of it is there's like a... [2108.68] Frank: I think it's something like there's a challenge each week [2110.68] Frank: of like, do this one trick, [2112.68] Frank: and then you just post a video of you doing that one trick. [2114.68] Frank: I think it's pretty much... [2115.68] Frank: Might flip your kitchen table. [2117.68] Aries: Yeah. [2118.68] Aries: That kind of stuff, is it? [2120.68] Frank: Yeah. [2122.68] Frank: Robin, any of you is a better person to talk about it [2124.68] Frank: than I am, but I think that's the idea. [2126.68] Frank: What's a decent Whoop these days? [2130.68] Frank: Ooh, any suggestions in the chat? [2132.68] Frank: What's a decent Whoop these days? [2134.68] Jack: I'm still on brush list, so don't ask me. [2141.68] Jack: What do you mean? [2142.68] Jack: Oh, my God. [2143.68] Jack: She talks to me like I'm some sort of demented dinosaur. [2146.68] BlueOwl: I'm just sort of 2019. [2149.68] BlueOwl: It's... [2151.68] Jack: 65 degrees in one week. [2153.68] BlueOwl: We live in the past. [2155.68] Jack: This is what happens. [2156.68] Jack: I'm just like... [2157.68] Jack: I just get constantly bloody. [2158.68] Frank: Bluel doesn't need 65 degrees on a Whoop. [2161.68] Frank: Bluel would just take the camera out of the little canopy [2166.68] Frank: and just glue the back to the top of the PCB. [2169.68] Frank: That's a nice thing for a girl. [2173.68] BlueOwl: But I'm not sure it would survive for too long [2176.68] BlueOwl: or it would be better with the smoke. [2179.68] BlueOwl: I've never tried it. [2181.68] Jack: tailspin, I will mute you [2183.68] Jack: if you keep calling me one pack, Jack. [2186.68] Jack: I have the power. [2188.68] Jack: I won't. [2189.68] Frank: A 4S Whoop, are you kidding me? [2192.68] Frank: Caroline says, I have my angle 75 Whoop, [2196.68] Frank: flies on 4S, it's mental. [2199.68] (Patrons): That's so mental. [2200.68] Frank: Surely, I'm not going to lie. [2204.68] Frank: I feel like you need an airfield to fly that in. [2207.68] Aries: Yeah. [2208.68] Aries: High speed runs. [2212.68] Jack: 4S Whoop. [2214.68] Jack: I'll get more revenge, tailspin. [2217.68] Frank: Grampy F2E says, mobular 6 on a carbon frame. [2221.68] Frank: Magical Pencil says, meteor 65. [2225.68] Frank: Martian Flies says, mob lights are good. [2230.68] Frank: Silent Dad FPV says, race Whoop 3D printed. [2234.68] Aries: What? [2235.68] Aries: A 3D printed 6S Whoop. [2239.68] Aries: Are you mad? [2242.68] BlueOwl: That's ridiculous. [2247.68] Frank: Kudos for trying that out, though. [2249.68] Frank: 6S, 22S. [2250.68] Frank: What kind of milliamp power is that? [2253.68] Frank: Like 50 milliamp power 6S? [2255.68] Frank: All of them, Frank. [2256.68] Frank: It's all of it. [2258.68] Jack: Oh, my God. [2259.68] Jack: Aries is using the private chat. [2261.68] Jack: You were wasted on the other show. [2264.68] Jack: Or here, one or the other. [2266.68] Jack: Yeah. [2268.68] Jack: Way too advanced for here. [2271.68] Frank: Or wasted on the other show. [2273.68] Frank: International Game of Whoop is only 1 or 2S, [2277.68] Frank: unless you are flying HD, [2280.68] Frank: then you're only allowed 3S. [2284.68] BlueOwl: So how does it work? [2285.68] BlueOwl: Have you guys ever entered before? [2291.68] Frank: I feel like Tony might have done once one year. [2296.68] Frank: I think that's probably about as far as it got, [2299.68] Frank: because we did our own version. [2303.68] Frank: Again, that took us like a month to all put up a video, [2307.68] Frank: and it just didn't go very well. [2310.68] BlueOwl: Because I'm just thinking, [2311.68] BlueOwl: you said that every week it's a different trick, [2314.68] BlueOwl: but to me, flying books, it's more about the location. [2319.68] BlueOwl: It's about where you fly, [2321.68] BlueOwl: and maybe living in the past, just like one picture. [2331.68] BlueOwl: But I just tell you much too many cool tricks. [2335.68] BlueOwl: Tell me, what do you do with these? [2337.68] BlueOwl: What kind of tricks can you do? [2339.68] Jack: Right. [2340.68] Jack: I am going to absolutely boil her teeth. [2345.68] Frank: That is not a phrase I've heard before. [2349.68] Jack: Boil her teeth or not? [2351.68] Frank: Is that Welsh or something, Jack? [2353.68] Jack: I completely made it up. [2355.68] Jack: I've never heard it here either. [2357.68] BlueOwl: I'll pick it as a compliment. [2359.68] Jack: I just got rained off. [2362.68] Jack: I didn't crash, I didn't destroy it. [2364.68] Jack: Literally that day I got rained off. [2366.68] Jack: But one pack of Jack. [2368.68] Jack: I merely only flew one pack, so... [2372.68] Frank: Robin, as you are our resident expert on International Gamer Group, [2380.68] Frank: can you let us know, where are the challenges posted? [2383.68] Frank: Is it on the Facebook group? [2385.68] Frank: Because there's Facebook.com slash capital I, capital G, capital O, capital W. [2391.68] Aries: I've just posted a link to a YouTube video [2394.68] Aries: regarding some of this stuff for IGOW3. [2400.68] Aries: Supposedly gives you all the information you need around it also. [2404.68] Frank: There's a registration form, there's a Google form. [2408.68] Frank: It's like official and serious and stuff. [2411.68] Jack: Yeah, they're legit, man. They should probably take it seriously. [2415.68] Frank: This feels too serious for my liking. [2419.68] Frank: Scavenger Hunt sounds pretty cool with a whip. [2422.68] Frank: How do you have a Scavenger Hunt globally? How does that work? [2425.68] Frank: It feels like... [2427.68] Frank: I have to find... [2429.68] BlueOwl: So that's an augmented reality whooping? [2432.68] Jack: Whoop around the statue. [2434.68] Jack: Gotta find a statue. [2436.68] Frank: Oh, I see. [2439.68] Frank: So it's like I swipe, but with quads. I like that. [2442.68] Frank: I could do that. [2446.44] Aries: It sounds a bit like that old Roto-Rite episode where they did LA [2452.44] Aries: and they were just going round all the little places with the whip, [2455.44] Aries: doing the bridge and the big donut and stuff like that. [2460.44] Aries: It's still pretty cool though. [2464.14] Frank: So the deadline is 7am UTC on Saturday, Friday... [2473.14] Frank: What? It says Friday? Oh, I see. [2476.14] Frank: It's because it crosses the date line. Ignore me. [2479.14] Frank: 7am UTC, Saturday the 3rd of July 2021. [2487.14] Frank: It's the entry deadline that you have to fill in the form. [2491.14] Frank: There's a Google Doc that has all the rules and information in. [2495.14] Frank: This is ticking all the boxes for me. [2498.14] Frank: Yeah. [2501.14] Frank: There's a subreddit. [2506.14] Frank: Wow. [2508.14] Frank: Okay, so the subreddit is specific for week zero. [2513.14] Frank: I don't understand how this works. [2515.14] Frank: This is probably not the time to be working this one out on air. [2520.14] Frank: That's an offline deep dive, that one. [2525.14] Frank: Yeah. [2526.14] Frank: Eight A4 sheets of information in this Google Doc. [2531.14] Frank: I won't try to summarize that right now. [2536.14] Frank: Off the cuff, site summary. [2540.14] Aries: So if you're running 2S, right? [2543.14] Aries: Can you HV your packs? [2547.14] Frank: Ooh. [2549.14] Jack: Is that cheating? [2550.14] Frank: I mean, I've bought HV packs, but I've never actually HV'd them, so... [2555.14] Frank: But is there anything... [2558.14] Frank: Well, I feel like I've heard people say that the only difference is that HV packs... [2566.14] Frank: Just that you get fewer cycles out of them. [2569.14] Frank: But they're the same chemistry, same, you know, make of them. [2575.14] Frank: They're exactly the same internally. [2577.14] Frank: It's just the label says you can charge these up to a higher voltage and they'll just last fewer cycles. [2584.14] Frank: That's what I've heard. [2586.14] Aries: So instead of 4.2 volts, you're effectively getting... [2590.14] Aries: 4.65 or something? [2592.14] Aries: Or 4.35, sorry. [2594.14] Aries: 4.35 volts per cell, so... [2599.14] Aries: You know, if you're running 2 or 4S even, you know, you're getting a lot more voltage. [2605.14] Frank: More power! [2607.14] Frank: It means you only get like 50 cycles out of them or something. [2610.14] Frank: Yeah. [2611.14] Frank: And then toast. [2613.14] Frank: Pretty much. [2614.14] Frank: It's too fair for me. [2615.14] Frank: They'll probably do fine. [2619.14] Frank: Marsha McFly asks, who's flying in the tiny British Open at Wings and Wheels? [2626.14] Frank: I remember seeing recently, there was a whole lot of stuff posted about this because Wings and Wheels sign up has been available for ages. [2636.14] Frank: This is wingsnwheels.net. [2639.14] Frank: That's at north wheeled in two weeks time. [2648.14] Frank: And seeing the sign up for that has been out for ages, but the rules and schedule and what's actually happening hasn't been. [2655.14] Frank: So it's just kind of like, if you want to fly some quads, then we'll let you know what you're doing. [2662.14] Frank: But that's all now being released. [2665.14] Frank: Apparently, it's this tiny British Open. [2673.14] Frank: Yeah, the 26th and 27th of June. [2676.14] Jack: I think I might go visit Dave for that one. [2680.83] (Patrons): Hmm. [2682.83] Frank: Because Tony's definitely going because he's posted his tickets on Instagram. [2688.83] Frank: Fortunately, there's no barcode or serial number to read off of that. [2693.83] Frank: Don't mind. [2695.83] Frank: Richard Work's going to be there on Saturday. [2699.83] Frank: So this is quite a few people going. [2702.83] Frank: Caroline's selling a couple of planes. [2707.83] Frank: No, I'm going to I can't I've been. [2714.83] Frank: Yeah, I can't buy more. [2716.83] Frank: Well, I can buy more planes. [2718.83] BlueOwl: That's the problem. [2720.83] Jack: Yeah. [2721.83] Jack: What do you want for your birthday, by the way, other than more mini USB cables? [2728.83] Frank: I don't want more mini USB cables. [2730.83] Frank: I'm eradicating mini USB for my life. [2734.83] Frank: I don't have my FTDI adapter with a mini USB at the moment because I've I've I've lent it away. [2743.83] Frank: So the only thing I have that has mini USB on it is my trans, which currently doesn't work. [2749.83] Frank: So I have no reason to need a mini USB cable. [2753.83] Frank: It's gone. [2754.83] Frank: It's dead. [2756.83] Frank: Might as well give me like a parallel cable. [2762.83] Frank: Might as well give me a SCART lead. [2764.83] Jack: I like SCART leads. [2766.83] Jack: I know you like SCART leads. [2768.83] Jack: They were the best, man. [2770.83] Jack: Dedicated RGB. [2772.83] Aries: Yeah. [2773.83] Aries: Get some RCA and B cables here. [2776.83] Jack: Frank, success lipos. [2777.83] Jack: You want success lipos. [2779.83] Jack: Fraser, can you bring your car? [2780.83] Frank: Robin's saying flight controllers. [2782.83] Frank: I don't actually I might have a flight controller that has a mini USB on it, but most of them are micro. [2789.83] Frank: I think the only one that might have a mini USB on is my baby try. [2795.83] Frank: I'll see Explorer baby tricopter because that's David and therefore has a mini USB because I don't know why he likes mini USB. [2808.83] Jack: They were stronger and superior in every way. [2813.83] Frank: David was correct. [2815.83] Jack: He's our Lord and Master. [2817.83] Frank: No. [2819.83] Frank: Cables are like cameras. [2821.83] Frank: The best one is the one you have. [2823.83] Frank: I say that about Tony. [2836.77] Frank: Finley is asking if anyone is going to Wings and Wheels from the Norwich Pirates. [2840.77] Frank: The rest of us not good enough for you. [2842.77] Frank: What's going on? [2843.77] Jack: Well, like, like East Norfolk. [2846.77] Frank: Are you looking for you looking for a lift? [2848.77] Frank: Is that what's going on there? [2850.77] Frank: Sounds like it, doesn't it? [2852.77] Frank: Yeah. [2856.26] Frank: I'm very confused by what's going on in the chat in Portugal. [2859.26] Frank: Tomatoes are essentially a religion. [2861.26] Frank: What? [2862.26] Frank: I've missed something. [2864.26] Frank: I'm having a scroll up. [2867.26] Frank: There's a lot of scroll back that we missed at some point. [2870.26] Frank: Yeah. [2872.26] Frank: Caroline says, was that Aussie drone put together by Toolkit RC? [2877.26] Frank: What Aussie drone is that? [2880.26] Frank: I haven't seen this. [2882.26] Frank: I'm guessing you have Aries. [2886.26] Frank: No comment. [2888.26] Frank: Oh, okay. [2891.26] Frank: I'm intrigued now. [2896.66] Frank: Jack, Bluel, do you know what's going on here? [2899.66] BlueOwl: I have no idea what's going on for 50% of the time [2904.66] BlueOwl: on this show, so don't ask me. [2907.66] Frank: I think that's probably better than most. [2910.66] BlueOwl: All right. [2912.66] Frank: Oh, Caroline, I think, means the one that we were showing [2918.66] Frank: the soldiering of on the show in the accident, [2921.66] Frank: air accident investigation report a couple of months ago. [2925.66] Frank: Yeah, the air speeder. [2927.66] Frank: Where, yeah, they put the XT-60s the wrong way around [2932.66] Frank: and all sorts of things going on on there. [2935.66] Jack: Oh, God, I remember that. [2937.66] Jack: Jesus. [2939.66] Jack: They're still in my nightmares. [2943.66] Jack: Just do it right. [2946.66] Jack: That was so bad. [2955.32] BlueOwl: Did they break rule number? [2957.32] Jack: Rule zero. [2959.32] Jack: Don't be on fire. [2961.32] BlueOwl: I like that. [2963.32] Frank: Rule one is don't make rules that you don't need to. [2968.32] Frank: Yeah. [2969.32] BlueOwl: All right. [2970.32] BlueOwl: Good. [2971.32] Aries: And then. [2972.32] Aries: Or two, rule zero. [2975.32] Jack: Rule two is in doubt. [2978.32] Jack: In doubt, refer to rule zero. [2984.32] Jack: Not planned anyway. [2985.32] Jack: They broke rule three. [2987.32] Jack: Don't be a bellend. [2991.32] BlueOwl: That was rule three. [2993.32] Jack: Yeah. [2994.32] BlueOwl: I feel like it should be placed before rule number one because of the [3001.32] BlueOwl: way anything happens after. [3006.98] Frank: We're going to have negative rules. [3008.98] Frank: Rule minus one. [3013.98] Jack: Yeah, there is. [3015.98] Jack: There is also like two rule five as well. [3021.98] Jack: Sorry. [3022.98] Frank: If we're going negative, does that mean we can also go like complex [3025.98] Frank: numbers? [3026.98] Frank: We have like imaginary numbers, imaginary rules. [3028.98] Jack: They're all integer. [3029.98] Frank: Stop it. [3033.98] Frank: Factional numbers. [3036.98] Frank: Serds. [3037.98] Frank: Numbers that are serds. [3038.98] Frank: That's a thing. [3040.98] Frank: Prime rules. [3042.98] Frank: The whole maths of rules. [3045.98] Frank: What about infinite rules? [3048.98] Frank: Rule infinity. [3050.98] BlueOwl: Yeah, definitely. [3051.98] BlueOwl: What would it do? [3055.42] Jack: I've just lost the chat. [3058.42] Frank: Well, I've lost any capacity to speak. [3064.42] Jack: Has anyone been flying the FETTEC ESEs? [3068.42] Jack: Yes. [3069.42] Aries: Which ones? [3070.42] Aries: Be specific. [3072.42] Jack: 45, 35, I only get. [3075.42] Aries: 35. [3076.42] Aries: Yep. [3077.42] Aries: I've not been able to get a hold of the 45. [3078.42] Aries: So anyone in chat, if you've got any locations for the 45. [3081.42] Jack: No, you've already bought the one kiss four in one. [3086.42] Aries: No, no, no, no. [3087.42] Aries: I've got multiple quads here. [3089.42] Aries: Right. [3090.42] Aries: And it's like somewhere over here and over here. [3093.42] Aries: I'm moving them all over from Beater Flight. [3095.42] Aries: I've had enough. [3097.42] Jack: What? [3098.42] Jack: That's it. [3099.42] Jack: You've turned your back on Beater Flight. [3101.42] Aries: They're filtering. [3103.42] Aries: It's just ever since three, five, seven, you know, folks in the [3107.42] Aries: chat will understand that it's just messed things up. [3111.42] Aries: So you can't get the flight controllers that support it [3115.42] Aries: anymore. [3116.42] BlueOwl: I just have a question. [3119.42] BlueOwl: I just saw a question in the chat. [3121.42] BlueOwl: I'm thinking if we already have one pack checked, then we [3124.42] BlueOwl: should probably have also drank Frank. [3127.42] BlueOwl: Someone is asking if Frank is drunk. [3130.42] BlueOwl: I wonder why. [3133.42] Jack: Have you started, Dad Botlow? [3136.42] Jack: Thank you. [3137.42] Jack: No, I haven't started the Botlow. [3139.42] Jack: Thank you. [3142.42] (Patrons): What? [3145.42] Jack: Frank got on that boy. [3149.42] Jack: Yeah. [3151.42] Jack: Frank, Frank, Frank, bloody Tony. [3154.42] Jack: We got to quarantine him. [3156.42] Jack: Yeah. [3157.42] Jack: He's been out with friends. [3158.42] Jack: He hasn't seen for a year. [3160.42] Jack: He's going to be all corona. [3163.42] Jack: I've had my first jab on that subject. [3166.42] Jack: Me? [3167.42] Jack: Don't kick into three weeks. [3169.42] Frank: What did you get? [3171.42] Aries: Parfizer is what I thought. [3174.42] BlueOwl: Parfizer? [3175.42] BlueOwl: You can go to the pub now. [3177.42] Aries: I got the easy one. [3180.42] Jack: Oh, the blood clot extraordinaire. [3182.42] Aries: Yes. [3183.42] Jack: Right. [3184.42] Jack: Let's move on from this. [3186.42] Jack: Only the bloody dirty anti-vaxxer. [3190.42] Jack: You know 3.5.7, was that still usable by F1 boards? [3198.42] Jack: It was, wasn't it? [3199.42] Jack: Yes. [3200.42] Jack: It was like 2016. [3203.67] Aries: Yeah, it was supported up until 3.5. [3206.67] Aries: 7 was the last one, and then 4.1, whatever, eradicated it all. [3211.67] Aries: In fact, I think the early fours got rid of the F0s, [3218.69] Aries: and then 4.1 got rid of the F1s. [3223.69] Jack: So you no longer can get the boards? [3226.69] Jack: Is that what we're struggling with? [3228.69] Aries: Yeah, there's a lot of drive, as you're probably aware, [3232.69] Aries: to move to beta flight four. [3235.69] Aries: And as each day passes... [3237.69] Jack: Yeah, we're not going to be able to get the chips [3239.69] Jack: or accelerometer away. [3240.69] Jack: Sorry. [3241.69] Aries: Yeah. [3242.69] Aries: Yeah, so as each day passes, [3244.69] Aries: the manufacturers of all these flight controllers [3247.69] Aries: are just supplying demands. [3250.69] Aries: They're not looking at previous versions of software, [3252.69] Aries: so anything that comes out, you know, [3254.69] Aries: like pre-September last year, I think it was, [3257.69] Aries: you weren't able to get any 3.5.7 targets [3260.69] Aries: for a beta flight for it. [3263.69] Aries: I mean, it's not to say that you can't actually compile one yourself, [3267.69] Aries: but... [3269.69] Aries: Who wants to do that, right? [3275.0] Aries: Yeah, so you could probably take the... [3278.0] Aries: you know, the master branch [3280.0] Aries: and create your own bloody flavour of it, [3283.0] Aries: but who's got time for that? [3285.0] Aries: Not me. [3286.0] Aries: I just want to go. [3287.0] Aries: That's the board I've got. [3288.0] Aries: 3.5.7, go. [3290.0] Aries: And then just set up and go fly. [3292.0] Aries: Done my messing about with filters. [3295.25] Aries: I've gone through, like, four dozen packs [3298.25] Aries: over the last two months with filler [3300.25] Aries: on three different bloody frames, [3302.25] Aries: and it's annoying me. [3305.25] Aries: Wasting time. [3307.25] Jack: So, I'm moving... [3309.25] Jack: I've actually bought some. [3311.25] Jack: I've actually bought some... [3313.25] Jack: semi-cellarometer chips. [3315.25] Frank: But you're reducing the supply, Jack. [3318.25] Jack: I don't care. [3319.25] Jack: He was, like, literally seven pounds on those chips. [3323.25] Jack: You're a hoarder. [3324.25] Jack: I don't care. [3325.25] Jack: Dirty hoarder. [3326.25] Jack: I want them. [3328.25] Jack: Look, don't annoy me. [3330.25] Jack: Look, I haven't gone to the DGI FPV. [3333.25] Frank: I'll cut you out some little squares of styrene [3336.25] Frank: and write MPU 6000 on them, [3338.25] Frank: and you can have those. [3340.25] Frank: Give them back to people that make boards. [3342.25] Jack: I'm going to be putting one on a board [3344.25] Jack: that I've effed in the A. [3346.25] Frank: Oh, that one, yeah. [3348.25] Frank: Well, that's fair. [3350.25] Jack: I'm bringing it back. [3352.25] Jack: Resurrecting it. [3354.25] Frank: Reducing e-waste. [3356.25] Jack: Yeah. [3357.25] Jack: You know when we don't have Tony? [3358.25] Jack: Do you fancy filling in? [3361.25] Jack: If you're happy to have me. [3364.25] Aries: Always. [3365.25] Aries: I can be, yeah. [3367.25] Aries: If you like this to be on your show, [3371.25] Aries: yeah, if you like and do that. [3373.25] Aries: And if the folks in the chat want to see me, then fine. [3376.25] Jack: Until the other show, like, you know, gets back, [3381.25] Jack: you need to bring that back. [3384.25] Frank: Yeah. [3385.25] Frank: And to clarify, I haven't actually been drinking. [3387.25] Frank: I've just been hypnotized by your PC case. [3391.25] Frank: It's like staring into a fire. [3394.25] Jack: The RGB. [3396.25] Jack: What graphics card is that? [3398.25] Aries: RTX 2080. [3400.25] Aries: T.I. [3401.25] Aries: Yes. [3402.25] Aries: It's just colorful. [3403.25] Aries: It is, isn't it? [3405.25] Aries: So the white accents have recently been added. [3408.25] Aries: They were red. [3410.25] Jack: He's even got like a comb there. [3413.25] Jack: He's got LED RAM. [3414.25] Jack: He's got LEDs on his RAM. [3416.25] Jack: He's got LEDs on my RAM. [3418.25] Aries: Oh, yeah. [3419.25] Aries: Well, he's a thing to this RAM. [3421.25] Aries: It's special edition stuff from Corsair. [3425.25] Jack: Oh, man. [3426.25] Jack: Can I have that? [3427.25] Aries: They're Dominator Platinum CDs. [3430.25] Aries: There's only 500 sets of them in the world. [3433.25] (Patrons): Oh, true. [3437.42] Jack: It's like having end jones. [3439.42] Frank: What? [3440.42] Frank: I don't like that at all. [3443.42] Frank: That is not how electronics should work. [3446.42] Frank: I don't. [3447.42] Frank: That's not the quantities. [3448.42] Frank: No, I don't like it. [3452.42] Frank: Yeah. [3453.42] Jack: Who's who's hoarding now? [3458.42] Jack: All right, guys. [3459.42] Jack: Thank you. [3460.42] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Show Now. [3461.42] Jack: You've been joined by Andrew slash Frank. [3463.42] Jack: Bye. [3464.42] Jack: Master. [3466.42] Jack: The wonderful, beautiful blue owl. [3468.42] UNKNOWN: Bye. [3470.42] Jack: Whenever Tony's not here. [3472.42] Jack: See you later. [3476.42] Jack: Fantastic. [3477.42] Jack: And I've been one pack Jack. [3479.42] Jack: Thank you. [3480.42] (Patrons): Good night. [3481.42] (Patrons): Bye. [3482.42] Jack: Goodbye. [3483.42] (Patrons): Telemetry loss.