=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 315 ===
Title: LDO 315 - Weston Roundup
Recorded: 2021-09-09
Hosts: Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,468
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=763xEBiwKN0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1122456958-letsdroneout-ldo-315-weston-roundup.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to let's drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say massive thank you to kolos campos art folk now sam dama.
[19.2] Jack: I can't read on with the show let's draw now hello and welcome back to another episode of let's draw now tonight you're joined by andrew slash rank hello everyone's favorite kerry kitten hello i'm bright until i fly stalling for time so that steven can say hello just enjoying some nice milk stout live with myself here good evening everyone.
[75.5] Jack: Slightly out of order there hello and you're listening to let's drone out tonight we'll be covering stuff where we've got a new a new layout flight time fbv and lead screens me and andrew's nice frank went to western park kerry kitten stayed home because he's got a bad leg.
[100.38] Jack: And steven has revamped and read on the show so we've got a statement give us the the nods or stuff you want us to talk about.
[113.46] Stephen: I've put it into a document but that doesn't mean i'm the only one that can read out from it or i've done it to encourage people to collate things into a giant list so we have a wonderful list of items on screen here that yes now you know how it feels you can read.
[130.3] Jack: You can write everything you want but no one will read it i mean i can always read it right push comes to shove if jack runs out of dick jokes then we can just start reading the quadcopter stuff well out of dick jokes jack's in the naughty corner i'd like to issue an apology to my friend i hope he's still my friend andy rc i treated so poorly and andy if you're listening to this i'm sorry i hope you still love me.
[159.26] Frank: Did you leave any marks no i didn't you didn't let me get close man did andy go to western he did indeed we can confirm andy rc is still alive and not being replaced by ai and he smelt the same written that script and everything for him.
[179.34] Jack: We can also confirm that lee is also painless 360 is is also a physical natural human being and quite a few people we be confirmed joined with menace yeah it was weird going without tony but he asked too late grumpy i ran into you yes ran into some patreons whilst i was getting attacked by those kent lot the the savages.
[210.04] Frank: Was this while you were photo bombing menace on his segment the sponsored segment on the western racing no i was just trying to get everyone some food richard work from the chat ask how's the way going how's that leg wane.
[228.52] Curry: I quite like the first.
[232.9] Curry: No i haven't got any flying in i have been able to at least sort of sit here for a little bit longer so i started doing a bit of filming today i was just just looking at the manbo actually.
[246.58] Curry: And even though this is shiny this is a big brand radio i couldn't necessarily make agent x work the way it's supposed to with it because i have this amazing.
[257.42] Curry: way of making stuff break when i make it try and work I, but I think it's just called using a MAC and like people.
[268.34] Curry: Yes, yes, yes discussion.
[272.42] Curry: It doesn't echo i'm further away because the legs stretched out here i move it's a lot better quality than the other my house is this better now yeah that's the curry i know and love so i'm gonna represent the person or the the people watching that didn't go to western park.
[288.82] Curry: And sadly couldn't so what was it all about how was it different than normal were you scared because there were lots of people around did anyone lick your cough on you.
[297.9] Frank: sort of stuff jack was going around looking everyone he could especially and the RC and he wasn't too keen on this.
[307.66] Frank: But was was too shocked to respond and but secretly likes obviously.
[315.14] Frank: And so this was the second western park event in a year.
[321.1] Frank: Which is unusual because usually it's on father's day that's that's that's the western park way.
[330.34] Frank: And I think, basically, to make up for not having one last year for obvious reasons.
[336.7] Frank: They've decided to have two in 2021 this was the second one in a year and they did have some changes from June and the the FPV racing.
[354.46] Frank: Was moved from where it's been for the past few years to where it was originally, which is right by the heli fest event.
[363.58] Frank: So up that end of the event if you if you know the site and that may have been to something due to something we've alluded to soon after the June event, which was some some complaints from some hotel guests about racing late at night, they weren't too keen on it.
[386.82] Frank: And we'll say no more without having the disclaimer. We need a disclaimer for this.
[396.98] Stephen: We've got to express on this, you know, a person who may not reflect the views of others or indeed the host, it would say, but I do notice that on the notes here we have a both a racing and a night flying session so evidently neither of those were affected by the prior history, still going strong.
[413.22] Frank: Oh, yeah. Well, the thing is, the other thing Western Park is known for, particularly, is a lot of fireworks. They do a big night flying pyrotechnics, all kinds of stuff. And that was still going on. I mean, to be honest, even in June, when the incident which shall not be named happened, there was fireworks going on at the time.
[437.62] Frank: So complaining about the noise of a mini quad is a bit odd. But people are weird. And should I know about the incident? Now I feel I need to ask about it. Dave says the cut off is now 530 for five inch.
[453.7] Frank: Ah, that's interesting. Yes, so a guest complained, security got involved. Someone ended up having their radio dragged out on their hand whilst they were mid flight, which is generally a bad idea.
[473.3] Frank: So it's very dangerous indeed. There was there was much complaining, apparently a storm of racers down to the main flight line to complain to the people that run the whole event. All very messy. Not, you know, not what you want. But it's been sorted out now. It's been adjustments made. It won't happen again. And it's been there for, you know, five years. It's doable. It's not a problem. It's not a problem.
[502.1] Curry: Really, just as a side matter. Now, I'm not saying you should do this. But I've always felt pretty confident. If I saw someone coming up to me and add the goggles on in the terms that I would just fly my quad straight in their face, and that would go wrong. Yes. It's a great time to go and orbit myself is what I think if there's someone who's like walking up to me, I'll just just orbit myself just. I think it was a bit bit of a surprise.
[531.38] Frank: Bit of surprise. I don't think they were particularly, you know, paying attention to the area around them at the time. But anyway, we should not dive into that particular legal quagmire.
[545.5] Frank: We've done the disclaimer.
[546.46] Frank: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we saw quite a few other people. We saw Wynn, who, you know, is we regularly meet him at Western Park. This is a nice, convenient place. So Eric from Rotor Racing, who's been off doing all the stuff with the FAI and making drone racing a global thing.
[574.7] Frank: And Chris G was there in his Rotor Racing shirt. So yeah, it's good to see people again and catch up with people.
[585.66] Stephen: Which FAI stuff have they been involved with?
[588.66] Frank: Ah, so for example, the Shenzhen, but also just generally iterating the rules and getting the rulebook sorted out to actually make sense.
[601.58] Frank: So yeah, it's quite interesting. Yeah, hopefully, we might learn a bit more next week. So there you go. There's a teaser.
[615.42] Curry: And did you feel did it feel like the hobby was thriving? Were there lots of interesting stores with interesting products? And what stuff did you buy?
[623.62] Frank: Hmm. Stalls, sticky ishy. And this has been mentioned all across Facebook.
[634.06] Frank: I'm not sure at this point if I'm asking the wrong question.
[637.54] Frank: Yeah, so there was a noticeably lower number of stalls and people selling stuff this time around. Whether that's because there have been two events in the same year.
[652.34] Frank: Whether that's, I mean, we know at least one or two of them, it's because they can't or don't want to, you know, put their, you know, tell people to come along and work on their stands who might be at a higher COVID risk and go through all that kind of thing.
[671.3] Frank: So for some people, it's about having the stuff. Some people is the cost. I mean, because there's also, you know, who knew until the last minute for certain whether or not this event would go on.
[683.86] Frank: So it's been tricky. So there were fewer people there selling stuff.
[689.18] Frank: But I don't know, it wasn't, definitely wasn't dead. The Heli flight line were very happy. They were saying, I heard a few people saying that it was actually bigger than it has been in previous years, and it definitely looks a lot more busy and a lot more smart, the HeliFest flight line.
[711.66] Frank: I mean, the other thing we were saying when we were hanging around with were paying this was the average age of the people that were attending seemed to be a bit lower.
[724.74] Frank: Like there was still plenty of socks and sandals, but not so much. Yeah, there was more hair than in previous years.
[735.22] Curry: Well, I mean, not to find a point on it, but I guess some of those guys just died. And the less older people are getting older again.
[745.22] Stephen: During lockdown, some youngsters have inherited a perplexing large model aircraft collection, and they've been busy piling them into trees and learning how it works. And here they are.
[755.22] Frank: Yeah, yeah. May also have been some well spent lockdown time, because there were quite a few of the slots on the main flight line were for younger pilots, sort of up and coming pilots, particularly on the sort of 3D, the big 3D extra type things,
[781.22] Frank: do all the prop hanging and the flat spinning and all that kind of stuff. And so, you know, there's all that going on as well. And actually had, yeah, like we're saying the LED screens, they had a big one at the FPV flight line, which is quite cool to watch the, the, this, you know, the feeds of people racing around.
[806.22] Frank: But there was also one on the main flight line, which was showing most of the time that I could see just loops of YouTube videos from like T-Bubba rap and essential RC and people like that.
[820.22] Frank: I don't know, Jack, did you see anything on that screen that was anything else?
[827.22] Jack: They were, obviously they were doing interviews and that's how I snuck on.
[832.22] Jack: Oh, on the FPV flight line, yeah, but on the main flight line.
[836.22] Jack: On the main, no, as far as I know, I didn't pay much attention to it, but previous.
[843.22] Frank: Jack's too busy paying attention to dogs.
[846.22] Jack: And the RC.
[848.22] Jack: He was literally my sort of, you know, a Jack activity centre. I was in awe by his presence, which I apologise about, still.
[862.22] Jack: Or Andy.
[864.22] Stephen: Sorry, Andy.
[866.22] Stephen: All sounds adorable.
[868.22] Stephen: So it sounds like 3D plane flying and heli flying is super popular now, it's seeing a bit of a renaissance.
[875.22] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[877.22] Frank: I'm not too sure, really, it's not like there's been a massive technology change or anything.
[885.5] Stephen: Well, Andrew did mention that he was seeing a lot of the tech go down to smaller models, so presumably he can get something that's a bit more competent without paying thousands of pounds and having some like giant death blunder.
[897.5] Frank: Yeah, but I don't think there's like a step change as much. You see what I mean?
[902.5] Frank: There's being sort of getting smaller and smaller and cheaper and cheaper.
[906.5] Frank: In the same way as QuadSav or pretty much any other kind of model flying has.
[913.5] Frank: But I don't know, I think maybe it's kind of maybe it's just become more visible. I don't know.
[922.5] Frank: I mean, there was there was the turbines that were like some foamy, some foamy turbine planes.
[930.5] Frank: So like a gas turbine goes in a plane and costs like thousands and thousands of pounds.
[940.5] Frank: And then they were going in these foam models, like an actual gas turbine, not an EDF, not an electric ducted fan, but an actual gas turbine in a big foam model.
[950.5] Stephen: How do you put the really hot turbine in the foam? How does that work?
[955.5] Jack: Heat management and shielding, they were talking about. So I think I think that there's like a lot of, you know, sort of where they direct the air through for cooling, you know, obviously to feed the turbine.
[977.78] Jack: And for everywhere else, it's just like really, really good heat shielding.
[982.78] Stephen: There's tons and tons of tin foil everywhere.
[985.78] Curry: Well, probably Kevlar on that put turbines on them.
[992.22] Frank: These were like in inside, not just like strapped on the back, like I've seen before on.
[999.22] Frank: But like, actual, like, proper, like a, you know, like a fighter jet.
[1005.22] Curry: It is interesting from the fact that when you look at a turbine plane and it's like, oh, where's the 12 grand gone?
[1011.22] Curry: Not that much on it is on the fuselage. It's all in the turbine bit, isn't it? So it's like, how much do you save on using?
[1019.22] Stephen: What kind of thrust do those things kick out? How many kilos of thrust?
[1022.22] Frank: I'm not entirely sure, but definitely more than one-to-one thrust to weight because they were like propping on some of them.
[1032.22] Frank: Even though it's not got a problem, but it was pretty funky.
[1039.22] Frank: I mean, I guess there are obviously like some smaller ones, but I know the bigger ones are like 20 kilos or something ridiculous.
[1046.22] Frank: Quite a lot of thrust.
[1048.22] Stephen: So yeah, we've got, I've got a very small picture of the flight show.
[1051.22] Stephen: I don't know if anyone's got a picture they can share for the viewers, but there's some fantastic contraption of a camping chair with pedals rigged up to it and a radio, which looks absolutely amazing.
[1062.22] Stephen: Yeah, Jack was flying, flying a tiny loop on this or something.
[1067.22] Jack: Oh, how did you know?
[1069.22] Jack: Did you have a go, Jack?
[1071.22] Jack: I had a go of what I can only describe as Christi's sex chair.
[1081.22] Jack: It really, really, it was really weird and the stirrups and, but anyway, it was, it was, it was a flight chair.
[1090.22] Jack: So it's very low to the ground, which I found almost impossible to recover from.
[1097.22] Jack: And he's kind of like taking the sort of like flight testing of like, you know, removing some of the controls from, from a spectrum transmitter and then applying it.
[1108.22] Jack: So you've got rudder pedals and you've got a throttle on a, on a, on a control, on a lever.
[1118.22] Jack: And then he's 3D printed this sort of like offset larger stick for your aileron and pitch controls.
[1130.22] Jack: And yeah, I had to go at flying a, his, his tiny loop with that.
[1138.22] Jack: And all I can say is it not only was it very difficult, but it was also terrifying because there was small children entered the tent whilst I was flying.
[1151.22] Jack: And I don't know how I did not hit them.
[1154.22] Stephen: So it looks like you've dispensed entirely with the throttle in your stick.
[1159.22] Stephen: If we're doing mode two here on the left and you've got your, your, your on the, on the pedals there.
[1165.22] Stephen: Yeah. And where, where does throttle go?
[1168.22] Jack: Yeah. That's very, very, kind of blends in with, with the, with the throttle pedals, but it's, it's that thing coming out on the left.
[1180.22] Stephen: Oh, they're a bit of two by four sort of stuck out there. Right.
[1184.22] Jack: Yeah. And the potentiometers, all I can say in Chris G pointing them out is they're not quite right.
[1192.22] Stephen: And this is special kind of spatula that they've screwed on to the right game.
[1198.22] Jack: Yeah. 3D printed. Right. And that's your, yeah, your control stick.
[1202.22] Jack: Um, rudder, rudder worked quite well. Um, throttle kind of, you could over cook it and push it too far and it would then feed around.
[1216.22] Jack: So it was like, it was, it was like a prop on too fast, too furious.
[1221.22] Jack: You know how like you can excessively change the 12 gears with this throttle pedal just kind of went up and then around.
[1230.22] Jack: And then would obviously mess up the value. And then, you know, rudder would work. Throttle was vague at best.
[1241.22] Jack: And roll just didn't, didn't really do anything.
[1246.22] Jack: It was not too broad.
[1248.22] Curry: Because I sort of see it as like, oh, that's, that's sort of more replicating.
[1252.22] Curry: Wing pilot.
[1255.22] Curry: But yeah, and I had it as I thought this is what you're talking about, but I think you're having similar to that.
[1262.22] Curry: That's slightly more comfortable.
[1264.22] Curry: That's what I felt like.
[1267.22] Curry: That would have worked. You'd have liked it.
[1270.22] Curry: Wow.
[1272.22] Stephen: Right. And on a different note. So we've got some shock by H.
[1277.22] Stephen: Sorry. HD zero cameras starting to appear. Moving on to quad stuff before we get stuck in that particular avenue.
[1285.22] Stephen: Sorry. Yeah, that's fine.
[1289.22] Stephen: So HD zero, they're the people behind shock, but it seems there's a joint effort.
[1295.22] Stephen: I think we've been through this a couple of times on the show.
[1297.22] Stephen: HD zero is the technology that transmits the video for shock bite.
[1302.22] Stephen: And they appear to have been selling their own brand of cameras and pushing them.
[1306.22] Stephen: And I actually got a, got a video from some UK chap who's put this on like a little three inch diatone
[1315.22] Stephen: and has been kind of ragging it around.
[1318.22] Stephen: And I was going to demonstrate the quality.
[1320.22] Stephen: And this is my first attempt at screen sharing. So like, bear with me.
[1325.22] Curry: Whilst you're doing that, I'll ask, I'll ask the question, Stephen.
[1329.22] Curry: Because when I, when I looked at the first beta of sharp bite, which was then called bite frost,
[1336.22] Curry: it had this thing saying, yeah, we're going to make the cameras open source,
[1341.22] Curry: but you had to buy this bit that would go into your camera that effectively is this little,
[1346.22] Curry: I suppose you'd call it not an encryption chip as such, but something that basically authenticates with the other camera.
[1354.22] Curry: And I thought that's, that's how they're doing it. So it's not quite open source, but it's sort of, you've got a hardware codec, right?
[1361.22] Stephen: And you have to pay Divimath for the hardware codec.
[1365.22] Stephen: It's just like what you do with analog and the rich wave stuff, right?
[1370.22] Stephen: There's certainly one person who really makes the chipsets and you're using that as far as I can figure out, right?
[1375.22] Stephen: But yeah, it doesn't look too shabby, I think, certainly compared to the rather cruddy footage.
[1381.22] Stephen: I've also got for comparison sake, a clip of the original sharp bite cam.
[1387.22] Stephen: So that's the new and improved one there. And hopefully he's all right with me sharing that.
[1392.22] Stephen: I will stop that and just punt on the original footage, which is substantially grottier.
[1398.22] Stephen: I'll just show that in a sec. But it's kind of impressive.
[1402.22] Stephen: I think they've got to sort of the same place in quality as we're now seeing from the not DJI cameras that everyone's being forced to use with DJI.
[1414.22] Stephen: Which I just, I think image wise, more or less exactly what we've we saw before.
[1422.22] Stephen: So here's this blurry mess is a OG shark bite.
[1429.22] Stephen: Let me just see if I can. I want to play at 360p. That's not going to help it at all.
[1434.22] Stephen: Let's at least give it the benefit of YouTube. It is a fractionally fractionally higher sample rate, right?
[1441.22] Stephen: So we've been upgraded from a very blurry mess to a slightly blurry mess.
[1446.22] Stephen: But I mean, it's still it's a bit rough, isn't it? Like the trees are purple.
[1452.22] Stephen: The ground is kind of a strange psychedelic color.
[1454.22] Stephen: It's just and the focus is I don't know what it's focused on, but not much.
[1461.22] Frank: Still can't count the blades of grass.
[1463.22] Curry: You cannot count. You can tell it's from some angles.
[1467.22] Curry: It's probably for the pilot happening at more than about six frames a second.
[1472.22] Curry: That's what is coming through at the moment.
[1474.22] Curry: All right. So I was going to work.
[1477.22] Curry: Yeah, it just depends on what your connection is like.
[1479.22] Curry: I suppose we'd have to share it side by side with DJI.
[1482.22] Curry: But if you're saying it's it's close to what I guess the Cadex stuff is doing on DJI.
[1487.22] Stephen: It's better than you get from a Nebula Nano, which is quite good, really.
[1491.22] Stephen: It's kind of you've seen that the Cadex Polar and this Rum Cam Mipi, I'd say it's that type of image quality, which considering what they started out with is a big step forward.
[1503.22] Curry: I suppose the question is, has the ship already sailed and everyone's gone DJI?
[1509.22] Stephen: Well, the added lure they put out was this week, if you're looking on hobby RC or unmanned tech, I think mainly hobby RC.
[1518.22] Stephen: The the goggle module was down from 170 quid to 85. It was half price.
[1525.22] Stephen: I think they've all sold out now, but there's going to be a few people who in the UK have got on that bandwagon this week.
[1532.22] Stephen: And so it's kind of relevant for them. I think the range is still not what you get from DJI.
[1536.22] Stephen: And you saw he's getting snow just going behind a tree. And I'd never get snow from behind a tree, even if I'm, you know, I'm like, what, less than 700 milliwatts.
[1546.22] Stephen: Certainly wouldn't get it on 700.
[1548.22] Curry: But it's an added advantage with SharkBite is because they're using sort of more regular VTX is using regular channels.
[1559.22] Curry: There's correct me if I'm wrong, Frank, there's nothing against you using them in racing because I just take a channel and you can put it on 25 milliwatts.
[1566.22] Stephen: But the guy who's a big proponent of this has been using it at races is he's called Ryan Quillette.
[1572.22] Stephen: And if you follow him, he's broadcast a lot of his races and he got Evan Turner to fly his quad as well and rip a couple of packs around the course with SharkBite.
[1581.22] Stephen: And around the sort of distances you're talking about with racing, it's absolutely perfect. It's really good.
[1586.22] Curry: Well, 85 quid if they can sort of keep it at that price is certainly something that people were just like, well, I'm tempted by that because the VTX's aren't stupid and the cameras aren't stupid.
[1597.22] Stephen: You're paying more than that for a rapid fire, aren't you? So it's pretty good.
[1601.22] Stephen: The trouble is then you're paying 45 quid for every VTX, which kind of stings a bit.
[1607.22] Stephen: And I'm at a point now having gone for DJI, like, do I pay 45 quid for each SharkBite VTX or do I just say, I'll take my chances and pay 90 quid for a Caddox Vista.
[1618.22] Stephen: Give it a shot, you know, try and strip it down and make it lighter to the naked Vista.
[1624.22] Stephen: I had my finger on the trigger button on this one. I was sorely tempted.
[1628.22] Stephen: But the fact that the HD zero camera isn't available at the moment, they just put out some pre-orders and they sold out instantly.
[1635.22] Curry: There's normally a pretty good rule of thumb for people in this sort of hobby, and that's do I own it? No, I should buy it.
[1643.22] Curry: Or do I own it? Yes, I should have another spare. But then you can run out of money pretty quickly, which is why some of us, in fact, all of us, except for you, Stephen, don't have a DJI digital system because we're all poor.
[1657.22] Curry: We've spent all our money on trinkets and silly things.
[1660.22] Stephen: I've treated myself. It was like present to self one Christmas, I think. Saving up for a long, old while. But once you've taken the plunge, you just end up with four or five of the quads with DJI before you know it.
[1672.22] Stephen: I think it's good, though. Less than a rapid fire module, right? That price coming in at 85 quid.
[1677.22] Curry: That's more impressive. As soon as there's this magic price point, and sometimes it's like under 100 quid or something like that.
[1683.22] Curry: But once once they hit it, it's the point where people are like, you know, I'll take a punt on that and have a look at it. And that's that's what could do it that that's the sort of thing that could easily replace like regular analog stuff.
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[1723.22] Frank: Because you were saying as well about the lack of the HD zero camera.
[1729.22] Frank: Is that just a supply issue or?
[1732.22] Stephen: Yeah, it's very new. They they hit some they sent out a bunch of prototypes because they said they had the first batch and some of the cameras weren't powering on as quickly as they should. They knew there was some hardware error.
[1745.22] Stephen: So they shipped out an entire batch just saying pay postage and we'll send you a camera. And so if you're someone who'd been using shock by to that point, you could get camera for like $10 or something.
[1756.22] Stephen: And it was the best camera on the market. The risk was you might end up with a dud because this was a bit of a pick and mix.
[1764.22] Frank: Well, because I was just thinking that's quite similar to I mean, it's not the same problem, but there was a sort of supply problem at Western Park as well where some of the the stalls would have their slots on the flight line where they go and show off their latest sets of models and they go and display them and talk about talk them up and talk about how brilliant they are.
[1789.22] Frank: And then they go, oh, by the way, you can't buy these moment. We're still waiting on the shipment from China. It's not going to turn out for another month.
[1801.22] Frank: We have the old version or we don't have anything to sell you.
[1807.22] Stephen: Oh, it's a classic problem. The paper launch. Right. Yeah. So much in technology companies. They do this around conference time. People always say this conference constipation and they all wait until a conference comes round and save up their product releases and then have a big conference and the conference constipation breaks and they launch 20 products at once. But you can bet there's some of those. They just haven't got stocking yet.
[1830.22] Frank: Well, for most of these models that have been around for well over two years and they show them off as the latest and greatest, but it's just that they don't have any stock because they sold everything out last year and nothing's turned out since then.
[1848.22] Stephen: Well, I fear them it seems. Well, unless you're willing to pay out the Yahoo for extra shipping rates, I imagine, right? You can always pay for shipping and get your stuff over here.
[1858.22] Frank: Well, this is for people that are actually doing the big balsa things where there's a lack of balsa because China was using it all to make wind turbines or the foamy things where they've got their own foam molding tools, tooling made up for this particular model. But just the actual box of foam haven't arrived from China and they're still in some sets of shipping containers somewhere in the Suez Canal probably.
[1886.22] Frank: And that sort of stuff is still kind of working its way through or it's pretty crazy, sort of the delays that there still are.
[1897.22] Stephen: Shady's asking, can DGI and shock bite be in the air together? And I think the answer is that the shock bite channel width is exactly the same as analog. So from what I hear, it behaves the same as analog. So you're basically saying, can DGI and analog be in the air together?
[1911.22] Stephen: And the answer to that is sort of yes, but be careful because I fact fingered my DGI setup a couple of times when racing with people and it sometimes it'll just jump on to the public channel and the public channel is really near, I think channel seven and people on channel seven were having a bad time.
[1932.22] Frank: Yeah. You can pretty much say, you know, channel seven, because it's F7 or R7 are not that far away from each other, really. But yeah, we saw that at LDO know that there's, you know, the public channel when they turn on the DGI stuff.
[1950.22] Frank: And of course, that was probably, you know, that was what we sort of planned the channels around at LDO know and it still, I mean, it worked a lot better, I think, from what Chris was saying, from what some other people were saying, but it still didn't solve the problem entirely.
[1965.22] Stephen: You've got to be cognizant if you're flying DGI, like just shout when you start stuff up and I've forgotten it sometimes, but not everyone else is flying this amazing noise resistant intelligent, I'll shut down if I see another DGI user system and yeah, some people are just going to get stamped on by you, so you just need to have a bit of care and if you fly DGI, it doesn't hurt to shout, I'm about to power on DGI, is anyone doing anything risky?
[1990.22] Stephen: Maybe, maybe hold fire on that lipo plug for just a minute until someone's brought their quad in to be sure.
[1997.22] Frank: Yeah, it doesn't solve the requirement to be going powering on and being ready to unplug.
[2003.22] Frank: Yeah.
[2004.22] Frank: But it adds the problem of the need to be aware of that using your goggles. That's the point, isn't it? Just because your goggles are also emitting.
[2013.22] Stephen: Yeah, right. So yeah, your goggles are not only receiving with DGI, so generally if you are flying, give yourself like 10 meters clearance from anyone flying analog, because your goggles are kind of just this noisy little, it's like having a little camping microwave or something running, you just don't want to be right next to analog people, it's not good.
[2033.22] Stephen: And I've flown analog around DGI people as well as being the guy flying DGI.
[2037.22] Stephen: And yeah, it's not great. Like if you're standing next to someone and they've got goggles on, you get like rolling black lines. And if a DGI quad flies near you, when you've got your goggles on, then you're like just drop frames without any warning. It's rough.
[2053.22] Curry: In fact, if you're flying DGI, you're not welcome in this field, go to the next field, there you are.
[2057.22] Stephen: We can only click one of these. This needs to be a multi-select poll.
[2061.22] Frank: This makes me think of sort of back when 2.4 gigahertz was becoming a thing. And like the 35 megahertz people would be like, we don't understand what you're doing. It looks, it sounds expensive and isn't what we know how to deal with. So we're just going to tell you to go away.
[2078.22] Curry: It was even more fun when 2.4 video was a thing. And we're all trying to fly together with our 2.4 radios. And they're sort of like, no, turn off all your radios. I need to do something different.
[2090.22] Stephen: And yeah, it's a shady like main problem is DGI users won't run anything less than full power because yeah, if you're flying with other DGI users, it's fine. You don't trample all over each other. But yeah, if you're running full power, then that big old bell curve from DGI is going to stomp over the bands near you. So we tried to be good when we did LDO. No, I was down at 25 milliwatt and frustrated that I couldn't reach beyond the true line.
[2115.22] Curry: What's 0.6 watts, analog VTXs are available to get your own back.
[2120.22] Stephen: I think someone was running a 1.8 watts. And I may have seen a DVR.
[2124.22] Frank: There has been video evidence released suggesting unless they have unreliable OSDs, which is presumably going to be the legal defense. Yeah.
[2134.22] Stephen: Well, those are all text labels that you enter yourself in beta flight, aren't they? So you could have put that on the 25, 25 on them.
[2142.22] Frank: Yeah, just change all the all the craft ID to 25 MW.
[2154.22] Stephen: Yeah, people saying a DJI is like the loud drunk that ruins everyone's evening.
[2161.33] Jack: I'm just upset we can't all play along together. You know, it's just a big jump, that whole like 500 and then it's like 100 pounds per unit.
[2177.12] Jack: I think it's just a little too crazy, especially when you've got to like change everything out, which, you know, I was just a bit like, oh, that is...
[2189.46] Curry: It is the interesting thing, though. I mean, several years ago, and occasionally we go around and say, what would you like most from like the next thing in FPV?
[2200.46] Curry: And I think we've said several times over the years, just be able to switch on your quad, have a channel, not have to think about anybody else, and it'll just work, but it's still not happening.
[2209.46] Stephen: Well, yeah, and that again, like, OK, so no kids, just quadcopters. That's my life here. And the missus, of course, she does other crafty things on quadcopters.
[2221.46] Stephen: But yeah, if you just fly DJI together, it's wonderful if you set yourself to the same channel as someone else you power on, just moves you over to the public channel and says, select another channel.
[2230.46] Stephen: So you're not knocking out outside the air. But if you've got some poor analog guy, he's going to have a terrible day. It's not a good solution.
[2237.46] Frank: It doesn't go to where there is an empty channel. It just puts you on F7. It doesn't solve the problem.
[2246.46] Stephen: It's like a newbie solution, right? Instead of flashing up something in text in your goble saying, please pick a channel, it tells you that the camera is working by putting you on that public channel. You just know to keep that channel clear.
[2257.46] Stephen: It would be nice if SharkBite had included something to do this, because all the tools are available to them, you know, that their module is able to do RF scans so they could have taken the RF scan.
[2269.46] Stephen: The module is able to work with smart audio and change channels. And there appears to be some communication between the the VTX and the VRX because they're rendering all the display port telemetry stuff, not display port OSD stuff.
[2284.46] Stephen: So presumably there is some data being sent along with the signal back as well.
[2289.46] Frank: What there needs to be is that communication being done on, for example, 2.4, so that they can be selecting the same channel of 5.8 to actually do the video stuff on. That's what needs to happen. That's my impression anyway.
[2309.46] Stephen: Yeah, it'd be nice if the goggles and VTX could negotiate a channel. It doesn't sound like a massively steep ask just to figure that out or somehow tell the quad that someone else is already on that channel and don't blast them out the sky.
[2327.46] Stephen: Yeah, don't go for that one. Pick a different one, exactly.
[2331.46] Frank: Talking of blasting people out the sky, there was a couple of posts recently that Simon Dale has put up on Airprox Reality Check, one being that the FAA have confirmed that a drone DJ have reported this.
[2353.46] Frank: FAA have confirmed that a drone strike was in fact not a drone strike, but a Mylar party balloon, just a full helium balloon. That's what it was. So it wasn't a drone.
[2369.46] Stephen: We've gone from having UFOs to having drones, haven't we? Anything that people don't recognise must be a drone.
[2375.46] Curry: Interesting, because whenever there's a drone strike, they're very keen to show what damage it did. And I'm guessing a helium balloon didn't turn up that much.
[2383.46] Curry: Mylar party balloon would have been pretty gentle.
[2386.46] Frank: Yeah, but saying about UFOs, and that's the other thing that they've put up on Airprox Reality Check, was the load of stuff, they've got a whole page dedicated to Gatwick.
[2401.46] Frank: And included on that is a little bit about when Stephen Timewell of Drone User Magazine sort of said, you know, this is a flying object that is unidentified, therefore it is an unidentified flying object.
[2420.46] Frank: I think it was the Express, one of the newspapers anyway, basically reported him as a crazy guy blaming aliens.
[2430.46] Frank: But yeah, so airproxrealitycheck.org slash Gatwick2018. That's an interesting round up of information.
[2439.46] Curry: I almost feel like UFO has got the same terminology as drones. So it's clearly called an unidentified flying object, but now UFO is seen to be an alien spaceship.
[2449.46] Curry: A bit like we thought the word drone for ages, because these are these like death machines that go drop bombs remotely, as opposed to our multirotors.
[2458.46] Curry: But we've kind of all lost that war. So anybody that says UFO is clearly an alien believer.
[2463.46] Curry: I guess the air traffic controllers.
[2465.46] Curry: Any flying thing ever.
[2467.46] Stephen: I guess the air traffic controllers and other people were always aware that there were these yahoos out on the sticks building crappy homemade aircraft, and they would have been on the lookout for, you know, some idiot flying his bathtub with some plywood wings on.
[2480.46] Stephen: Whereas everyone else was convinced it was all aliens, because that's the more interesting option.
[2484.46] Frank: Well, I mean, this sort of problem is also why the reports, all the sort of reporting systems, so Chirp or the sort of military equivalents, have all gone for instead of calling them UFOs, they now call them UAPs, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, which is kind of also a little bit worse in a way, doesn't it?
[2510.46] Curry: It's a phenomenon. It must be magical, is what it sounds like.
[2514.46] Frank: I think what they're trying to say is as well that it doesn't necessarily have to be an object, because quite often it's a light that has been reflected around the cockpit.
[2524.46] Frank: And you see that, and you think it's something, you know, a dose of light moving very fast. And in fact, it's your watch or whatever.
[2533.46] Frank: And they're trying to account for that sort of thing as well.
[2537.46] Stephen: OMG lensing, it must be aliens.
[2540.46] Frank: Yeah, exactly.
[2543.46] Frank: But yeah, so that kind of continual stuff. I mean, AirProx Reality Check is quite fun anyway, as a website to look through. They've got, they sort of take the reports from the AirProx board, where, you know, someone's reported.
[2560.46] Frank: I saw a drone that was shaped like a pig and flying at 60,000 feet at 900 miles an hour, and where the AirProx board have gone.
[2571.46] Frank: Well, someone said they saw a drone and we don't have any evidence to the otherwise, therefore it's a drone. And AirProx Reality Check kind of go, well, it doesn't seem very likely to be a drone.
[2584.46] Frank: It was, you know, the visibility was zero meters. The drones can't fly that high.
[2592.46] Stephen: They were certainly in the catering that day and it was all, everything was backed against it.
[2597.46] Frank: Exactly, all that kind of stuff. And they've done some brilliant things with ADS-B as well.
[2603.46] Frank: So they sort of got a system going now where they, you know, confines the track of the aircraft that made the report, look in the direction that they reported something and find any kind of aircraft that have a vaguely similar description.
[2618.46] Frank: And so quite often, you know, I saw a red and white drone north of me and they find that, you know, a mile away, it turns out that 10 miles away, there was a red and white helicopter.
[2629.46] Frank: You know, it's that kind of thing. And it's quite interesting to read through.
[2635.46] Stephen: It's more a study of psychology than anything actually find. So another fantastic thing that Frank found, FAI rules now include quadcopter football.
[2649.46] Frank: Yes. Well, this was speaking to Eric. He was telling me, was sort of getting the inside scoop on all the FAI stuff that's happening.
[2663.46] Frank: And yeah, he kind of mentions that there's, you know, sort of looking at maybe there will be a kind of FAI equivalent of X-Class or wing racing or stuff.
[2674.46] Frank: But they've already got drone football that they're doing.
[2678.46] Stephen: X-Class football. That's a gap.
[2681.46] Frank: I mean, the racing. So the FAI is like the International Air Sports Federation, I think is possibly the actual literal translation.
[2694.46] Frank: And so they do everything from, well, they just do anything that flies and is raced.
[2703.46] Frank: They have some bit of paperwork that says, yes, you are the world champion.
[2708.46] Frank: And so they've been doing the sort of the World Drone Championships.
[2715.46] Frank: And yeah, in twenty eight, well, up to twenty eighteen, there was so Grapner, a German company that you might be aware of.
[2727.46] Frank: If you've watched a load of light test stuff.
[2730.46] Frank: Didn't they go bust? Oh, yes.
[2733.46] Frank: Yes. So before they went bust, they made they sort of started up a little tournament in Germany of this drone ball where they they they took a drone sort of a fairly small quad, put a ball shaped frame around it and then got them playing this game where they have kind of a quidditch hoop at each end.
[2759.46] Frank: That's my my best descriptions that a vertical circle donut thing on a stick three, three meters up in the air.
[2768.46] Frank: And you've got some people on each team, one striker and some defenders.
[2775.46] Frank: And the striker is trying to fly through the opposing team's goal while the opposing team is trying to just bash it out the way.
[2783.46] Frank: It's kind of think of quad racing, but you've got people flying against you and stopping you from going through the hoop.
[2793.46] Frank: That's that's kind of the idea behind it.
[2795.46] Frank: So that's that was what was going on in Germany in twenty eighteen.
[2799.46] Frank: Grapner went bust, but it had already been sort of drafted into some rules.
[2804.46] Frank: And in twenty nineteen at the South Korea drone masters, they held a championship, which was basically South Korea versus Germany because they were the only countries that had even read the rules and found out this was a thing.
[2820.46] Frank: And that looked pretty cool.
[2824.46] Frank: But it also meant that the a lot of the international teams that went there, which I think UK maybe didn't for slightly concerning reasons, but they will come to that.
[2840.46] Frank: They they've sort of gone back to their own countries and started up something.
[2846.46] Frank: And then twenty twenty happened.
[2847.46] Frank: And so there hasn't been a lot happening.
[2849.46] Frank: But now that things are ripping up again, countries like the US and France and loads of other countries around the world are starting up their own drone soccer leagues.
[2861.46] Stephen: Can I do a rundown of what a drone soccer drone is?
[2864.46] Stephen: Yes, the speeds and feeds, because what we have here are two classes, an A class and a B class.
[2871.46] Stephen: The A class is the fat one.
[2873.46] Stephen: B class is the thin one with an A class.
[2876.46] Stephen: You're talking about a six inch prop up to one point two kilos success in a in a globe of 40 centimeters diameter.
[2887.46] Stephen: And you need you are required to fit it with between 20 and 40 LEDs.
[2894.46] Stephen: So that's the big one.
[2895.46] Stephen: Six inch, one point two kilos, 40 centimeters success.
[2898.46] Stephen: And then the smaller one is 300 grams, 20 centimeters diameter globe.
[2903.46] Stephen: I think between eight and 12 LEDs.
[2907.46] Stephen: I've got it written down somewhere.
[2908.46] Stephen: And three S.
[2910.46] Stephen: Interestingly, if you go and find any of the pre-made stuff, they're way smaller, like two inch props, which I thought would give you a bit of a competitive disadvantage.
[2918.46] Stephen: But I think a lot of the kits are actually for STEM.
[2922.46] Stephen: Yeah, strictly speaking, for competitive sports.
[2925.46] Stephen: If you look at them there, even the top players in the world, the typical kind of teenagers with great reflexes are actually going pretty gingerly around the course.
[2934.46] Stephen: They're not thrashing these things around.
[2936.46] Stephen: So I think the sport is relatively new, but it's fascinating nonetheless.
[2941.46] Frank: It's very, very new, which makes it interesting to me because I feel like amongst us, we have a chance to be world champions.
[2950.46] Frank: If we get in early, I remember the early days of drone racing when getting around a course was a win.
[2958.46] Frank: That's my level of competitiveness.
[2962.46] Stephen: I just want to see like some six inch mini quad hurtling around through basketball hoops.
[2967.46] Stephen: Sounds fantastic.
[2968.46] Curry: Because when you talked about quad soccer, I thought people have overheard me talking about quadball and they've copied my idea.
[2975.46] Curry: Same.
[2977.46] Curry: Exactly.
[2979.46] Curry: It's slightly more boring, although probably slightly more playable.
[2982.46] Stephen: Yeah, the drone actually enclosed in its own cage.
[2986.46] Stephen: So as opposed to like constantly knocking your props off and needing to change them about every 10 seconds to the extremities of the frame, they fix this globe.
[2995.46] Stephen: And so your props are all fully enclosed and there's no streamers or tangling things.
[3002.46] Frank: This also means that it's absolutely fine for them to call it drone soccer because it's absolutely nothing like football.
[3009.46] Curry: Yeah, I guess they really want to call it drone Quidditch, but that's more likely to get sued.
[3014.46] Curry: That's what it sort of sounds like.
[3015.46] Curry: I don't know, though.
[3016.46] Jack: She's a bigot.
[3017.46] Jack: So we might get away with it.
[3020.46] Jack: Let's not go there.
[3021.46] Jack: I read that comment.
[3023.46] Stephen: You've got also this that you've got like a scoring ball and then the other balls that have to hit it.
[3029.46] Stephen: And it's not really clear what keeps this scoring ball kind of in the air and not like smashed to bits or anything.
[3037.46] Stephen: That's the part I didn't really get.
[3038.46] Stephen: Like how because your drones have got to buffet this ball through the goal.
[3043.46] Curry: Yeah. How does everybody not just know.
[3045.46] Frank: So the striker ball is is the football is what scores the goal.
[3053.46] Frank: He just flies through the hoop.
[3055.46] Frank: It's rather than it.
[3057.46] Frank: Don't think of it like a drone.
[3059.46] Frank: Right.
[3060.46] Frank: Yes.
[3061.46] Frank: Literally someone is flying it.
[3062.46] Frank: So manually flying it.
[3064.46] Stephen: One person is flying.
[3065.46] Stephen: So one person on the team is actually manually flying it.
[3068.46] Stephen: Then what are all the other people doing?
[3069.46] Stephen: They're just getting away.
[3070.46] Curry: They're trying to stop it going through the goal.
[3073.46] Curry: So yeah.
[3074.46] Curry: So defenders trying to stop the one going in.
[3076.46] Curry: Is there two?
[3077.46] Curry: That's why they're taking out the defenders.
[3079.46] Jack: Yes.
[3080.46] Jack: But how's the other side?
[3081.46] Jack: So they just alternate.
[3082.46] Frank: Each team each team have their own football that they are flying.
[3087.46] Frank: Oh.
[3088.46] Frank: They're flying through each other's hoops.
[3093.46] Stephen: Right.
[3094.46] Stephen: I thought there's only one ball at a time because most ball sports rely on there being a single ball.
[3099.46] Frank: Yes.
[3100.46] Frank: If you think of it like football, it's more like drone wrestling.
[3103.46] Frank: Right.
[3104.46] Frank: Okay.
[3105.46] Frank: So you're just trying to knock the other team's striker out of the way.
[3112.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3113.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3114.46] Frank: There we go.
[3115.46] Curry: You want to get it through the line.
[3116.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3117.46] Frank: That's it.
[3118.46] Frank: It's more like that.
[3119.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3120.46] Frank: Okay.
[3121.46] Frank: And after you've scored a goal, you have to run back to your half of the pitch.
[3128.46] Frank: The better word.
[3130.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3131.46] Curry: They just keep circling around.
[3133.46] Curry: Yeah.
[3134.46] Stephen: One of the thing is you're not talking about a net.
[3137.46] Stephen: You're talking about just a ring.
[3139.46] Stephen: Imagine like a basketball hoop with no net vertical.
[3142.46] Stephen: So just a gateway.
[3143.46] Stephen: Well, let's say a quidditch hoop as previously mentioned.
[3146.46] Stephen: That means nothing to me.
[3147.46] Stephen: I'm sorry.
[3148.46] Stephen: My little sister.
[3149.46] Stephen: My little sister.
[3150.46] Stephen: But I never got the Harry Potter train.
[3152.46] Stephen: I've never seen the films.
[3155.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3157.46] Frank: Yeah.
[3158.46] Frank: So we'll also in about a month's time, hopefully have someone on to talk
[3164.46] Frank: about that in a bit more detail as well.
[3166.46] Frank: Because fascinating.
[3168.46] Stephen: We're only drones as well.
[3170.46] Frank: Exactly.
[3171.46] Frank: We're only sort of seeing some of the like Richard Warwick in the chat has
[3175.46] Frank: put a load of Banggood links to the LA RC stuff.
[3178.46] Frank: And there's also some HCLRC stuff and Armiton actually made a frame at some
[3185.46] Frank: point.
[3186.46] Frank: But it seems like they've removed all reference to it from their website.
[3190.46] Frank: Oh, there's a four inch one.
[3192.46] Frank: Sorry, there's a four S.
[3196.46] Frank: I can't open links from there.
[3198.46] Frank: Sorry.
[3199.46] Curry: What I like about the idea though is this requires getting one ball and two
[3207.46] Curry: players on each team, six people together.
[3210.46] Curry: And even when we just meet up and we're not trying to crash into each other,
[3213.46] Curry: we're talking hours just to sort out channels and get rid of all the problems.
[3217.46] Frank: Well, they've solved and crashed into each other.
[3220.46] Frank: They've solved this problem by flying it all line of sight.
[3223.46] Frank: No.
[3224.46] Frank: No.
[3226.46] Stephen: How are you going to do it?
[3228.46] Stephen: Because you got to see behind you if someone's about to slam you into something,
[3231.46] Stephen: haven't you?
[3232.46] Stephen: So unless you're going to find your mirrors.
[3234.46] Frank: I think this is this is this.
[3237.46] Frank: I can't do that.
[3239.46] Frank: This is a dream because this is something that you could set up anywhere.
[3245.46] Frank: You know, Western Park, Wings and Wheels, any of these places, you could set it up
[3250.46] Frank: in the background, have people doing it.
[3253.46] Frank: You could you can have these.
[3255.46] Frank: I mean, it's got the cage around it, around both the arena and around each drone.
[3260.46] Frank: You could just have the controls bolted on to the side of the cage and just have
[3265.46] Frank: anyone who turns up can just have a go.
[3268.46] Jack: We've lost Frank.
[3270.46] Jack: He's going to be having smiles and get his little whistle.
[3274.46] Stephen: The little ones, they aren't a lot bigger than whoops, really.
[3277.46] Stephen: I mean, we're talking 1203 motors on these.
[3279.46] Stephen: I've got one with 1203.
[3281.46] Stephen: Those exact motors in that, the LDARC 1203, those are not bad motors.
[3285.46] Stephen: They're nice little motors.
[3287.46] Stephen: But yeah, they're pretty small.
[3289.46] Stephen: Not much big.
[3290.46] Stephen: There are whoops that are bigger than this.
[3292.46] Frank: He says, as long as there's not an offside rule, I'm all in.
[3295.46] Frank: I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you, Shady.
[3297.46] Frank: There is literally an offside rule.
[3300.46] Frank: Oh, no.
[3302.46] Frank: The rough side rule is that all your team have to have come back
[3310.46] Frank: across to your half of the pitch before scoring another goal.
[3313.46] Frank: That is their rough side rule.
[3315.46] Stephen: They're a weird build.
[3317.46] Stephen: So there's a 230, which is way smaller than they need to go.
[3323.46] Stephen: They could have gone bigger and had more power.
[3325.46] Stephen: They could have got six-inch props and just dominate, but no.
[3328.46] Stephen: The 230 is with a 4S with a 1406 motor.
[3335.46] Stephen: It's just a little bit odd.
[3337.46] Curry: When you're talking about getting a big chord and dominating,
[3340.46] Curry: bear in mind that if it's line of sight enclosed in some sort of fence,
[3344.46] Curry: the arena is going to be quite small.
[3346.46] Curry: You don't need to go 90 miles an hour that way.
[3348.46] Curry: We don't need to.
[3349.46] Stephen: We don't need to do 90 miles an hour, Currie.
[3351.46] Stephen: It's just more fun.
[3353.46] Stephen: Just more fun.
[3354.46] Curry: But only for about the first two seconds until you hit the fence.
[3357.46] Stephen: I would argue that the bouncing afterwards would also be fun.
[3361.46] Stephen: They fly inside nets, so you don't just smash.
[3364.46] Stephen: You're just going to get hung up in nets and sort of bounce off of it.
[3367.46] Curry: I would like to go further on the whole quidditch thing
[3370.46] Curry: and have someone dressed all in gold,
[3372.46] Curry: and occasionally we just send them into the arena
[3375.46] Curry: and all try and hit him as they go up in a snitch.
[3378.46] Curry: And you get bonus points for that.
[3380.46] Curry: Fine.
[3381.46] Curry: Because everything's enclosed.
[3383.46] Curry: We just send them in with a foam helmet or something.
[3387.46] Stephen: I think I've bought most of the parts for this LDARC thing already.
[3392.46] Stephen: I use the buy loads of the LDARC kit.
[3395.46] Stephen: I think that flight tower looks really familiar.
[3399.46] Stephen: I like Grumpy's message.
[3402.46] Jack: No penalties. England would know when.
[3405.46] Jack: That's true.
[3406.46] Stephen: But yeah, something you could definitely do in a tent.
[3409.46] Stephen: You'd need a tent with another tent inside it, but it could happen.
[3414.46] Curry: You could even do it at home with a bunch of whoops.
[3418.46] Curry: Yeah.
[3419.46] Curry: And you could even completely ignore the whole soccer ball thing
[3422.46] Curry: and just hold up a...
[3424.46] Curry: Have an actual donut and just put it on the side there.
[3427.46] Curry: One there.
[3428.46] Curry: Five people in.
[3429.46] Curry: They can all sit in the arena, try and fly around each other.
[3431.46] Curry: Try not to hit each other.
[3432.46] Frank: I'd be like beer pong, you get to eat the donut after.
[3435.46] Frank: Exactly.
[3437.46] Stephen: I bet some clever person could make something
[3439.46] Stephen: that you can just clip round a 65 or 75-mile whoop frame
[3443.46] Stephen: that just turns it into a ball and stops stuff getting stuck in it.
[3446.46] Stephen: I bet that's just like a 3D print away from being solved.
[3450.46] Jack: That's basically how Game of Drones got defeated.
[3457.87] Jack: They started building balls around gods
[3461.87] Jack: and then you just couldn't attack each other.
[3464.87] Frank: Weren't they just doing like dangling trains and things
[3467.87] Frank: and stuff to go into each other's balls?
[3470.87] Jack: Yeah, danes and scores and...
[3473.87] Stephen: A note to our viewers who think I'm drinking serious manly beer.
[3477.87] Stephen: I'm not.
[3478.87] Stephen: This is a vanilla and pecan stout
[3480.87] Stephen: and it has this wonderful art of a vanilla pod
[3483.87] Stephen: and a pecan getting married on the can, which is free.
[3486.87] Stephen: Oh.
[3487.87] Stephen: Yeah.
[3489.87] Jack: That's my question.
[3492.87] Stephen: Yeah, they'd be scratching at the door otherwise.
[3495.87] Stephen: Yeah, sorry.
[3496.87] Jack: I listened back last week and that was hilarious.
[3500.87] Stephen: Yeah, we got you some fluffy.
[3503.87] Jack: Oh, guinea pig cage sorted.
[3506.87] Jack: Yeah, that's boring.
[3507.87] Jack: You've put your little pets in there and roll them around.
[3511.87] Stephen: Yeah, no.
[3513.87] Stephen: I don't trust those two to do anything.
[3515.87] Jack: I've got a quad in there, admittedly.
[3518.87] Stephen: Yeah.
[3519.87] Stephen: They're guinea pigs.
[3521.87] Stephen: No.
[3522.87] Stephen: Not cats though.
[3523.87] Stephen: The cats don't really like quads.
[3526.87] Stephen: They've been known to try and chew the props off hellies.
[3529.87] Jack: Oh, dear.
[3531.87] Jack: Gary, how's your kitty?
[3533.87] Jack: It killed a rare bat.
[3536.87] Jack: Yeah, I just wanted to cover that.
[3540.87] Curry: Wow.
[3541.87] Jack: Okay.
[3542.87] Jack: How rare are we to walk in?
[3544.87] Curry: It's apparently a protected species and it's fragrant disregard for the law.
[3548.87] Curry: We had a brown long-eared bat dead on the kitchen floor like that.
[3553.87] Curry: It's very interesting to look at.
[3556.87] Curry: But I think it'd be more interesting to see it flapping around live than like dead.
[3560.87] Curry: There you go.
[3561.87] Curry: Did you recall that?
[3562.87] Curry: Cats are such...
[3563.87] Curry: Disembowel it and start spreading its guts out and things like that like you'd normally
[3567.87] Curry: do.
[3568.87] Curry: Sort of writing blood, do your next, that sort of thing.
[3571.87] Curry: That's typical my cat behavior.
[3574.87] Jack: I didn't believe it when you loaded the photo.
[3577.87] Jack: I was like, what the...
[3579.87] Jack: That is a sizable beast.
[3581.87] Curry: I wouldn't have...
[3583.87] Curry: Because people are going to find it slightly distressing, but I decided it was interesting
[3587.87] Curry: enough to look at because I didn't know this sort of bat existed in England.
[3591.87] Curry: I've seen bats before, but not like that.
[3593.87] Curry: This is a big bat.
[3595.87] Curry: It had big ears.
[3596.87] Curry: It wasn't decapitated or anything like a normal kill's arse.
[3600.87] Curry: I thought that's okay.
[3601.87] Frank: Are you sure it wasn't a cat and a Halloween costume?
[3604.87] Curry: I'm fairly sure.
[3606.87] Curry: It was pretty light, to be fair.
[3609.87] Curry: It wasn't that big.
[3611.87] Jack: It just had big ears.
[3613.87] Jack: Looked pretty sizable.
[3615.87] Jack: All right, guys.
[3617.87] Jack: We made it to the hour mark.
[3619.87] Jack: I'm on the Thursday night show, so I have to disappear fairly quickly.
[3623.87] Jack: But you've been listening to that show now.
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[3632.87] Jack: Thank you, buddy.
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[3643.87] Jack: You've been listening to Andrew Saffranc.
[3646.87] Frank: Bye.
[3647.87] Jack: Stephen.
[3648.87] Jack: Cheers.
[3649.87] Jack: This is like cake.
[3650.87] Jack: It's amazing.
[3651.87] Jack: Everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3653.87] Frank: Goodbye.
[3654.87] Jack: I've been waiting until I fly.
[3656.87] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3657.87] Jack: Good night.
[3658.87] Jack: Good night.
[3659.87] Curry: Thank you.
[3660.87] Curry: Bye.
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