=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 318 ===
Title: LDO 318 - Stuff 'n' Such
Recorded: 2021-09-30
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,289
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGn36CDSmmU); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1134526312-letsdroneout-ldo-318-stuff-n-such.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to Carlos Campos, Art Faulkner, Sam Dahmer, Mikey Dredd, on with the show.
[22.5] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out. Tonight you're joined by Steven.
[58.92] Jack: Hello.
[59.92] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[61.92] Curry: Hello. Got too hot taking this off. Come here.
[64.92] Jack: Oh, ladies and a dab.
[66.92] Jack: Oh.
[67.92] Jack: Frank.
[68.92] Jack: The dad bod.
[69.92] Jack: Give us a dab.
[71.92] Jack: No. Good evening.
[73.92] Jack: All right.
[74.92] Frank: My hands are staying family in my hoodie pockets where they won't...
[78.92] Frank: Well, we can't see them. There could be anyone.
[81.92] Frank: Cold.
[82.92] Stephen: He's fighting with himself.
[84.92] Stephen: Yep. Clearly.
[86.92] Stephen: And before anyone else quits from verbal abuse, here's Jack.
[93.92] Jack: I'm sorry, Andy RC.
[96.92] Jack: I said sorry loads of times. I don't know what else I can do.
[100.92] Curry: It'd be interesting to get a definition of verbal abuse versus the normal verbal diarrhea, which is what the show is.
[107.92] Stephen: Speaking of quads and Andy RC, an impromptu segue into quadcopters.
[114.92] Stephen: I noticed recently that Runcam released a new camera and it appeared to bear a striking resemblance not to the Mippy that I've got,
[123.92] Stephen: which misses the back and the cable falls off unless you put a bit of tape on it, but to the new, the new and shiny Runcam.
[131.92] Stephen: I can't see where I've written it, but it's something new.
[135.92] Stephen: Runcam Link. Runcam are now officially selling a Vista unit with their own camera, calling it the Link.
[140.92] Stephen: And it's got a little plastic plate on the back, like Andy's one.
[144.92] Stephen: So I believe Andy may have been the first to maybe not realize it, but review the new Runcam product.
[152.92] Frank: Yeah.
[154.92] Curry: I hadn't noticed that when I assumed you were going to talk about the Peanut, which is the other new camera.
[159.92] Frank: The Caddx Peanut, yeah.
[162.92] Curry: Which I've mentioned, but I haven't watched any reviews on it because I just assumed it was like the the 360 go version two.
[170.92] Frank: Yeah, it's the 360 go version two, but with a charging bit so that you can basically wire it into your quad and it can be charged up as it goes as well.
[182.92] Frank: And it's got a longer recording time, so it can do half an hour rather than whenever the default is, like five minutes or something.
[191.92] Stephen: They sneakily made it. So the little magnetic clip on the back, it doesn't go on your existing Caddx go cameras because the molding slightly different, the sneaky so and so's.
[201.92] Stephen: So you can't just buy the magnetic clip on, put it on your existing camera because it'll slide off.
[208.92] Stephen: I suppose you could like Dremel out a notch.
[211.92] Stephen: Yeah, just gaffer tape it on. It'd be fine.
[215.92] Stephen: Speaking of camera brands, so that's Runcam and Caddx.
[220.92] Stephen: The other one Fox here have also debuted a camera called the Apollo, which apparently is going to appear.
[226.92] Stephen: They've done the will release on Facebook, but not put up a product page thing in the jig, and they just sort of popped out a post a day or so ago on that kind of irritating way.
[236.92] Stephen: People do that really stuff on Facebook and not actually explain what it is.
[239.92] Stephen: But that's today's world.
[241.92] Frank: That's that's what they don't pay reviewers for, along with all the manuals and support generally.
[248.92] Stephen: Product documentation that doesn't exist. It's just a JPEG on a Facebook group. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[255.92] Curry: Luxury. Back in my day, we used to live in street, eat cold gravel.
[261.92] Stephen: It was just ASCII art. If you are lucky, an ASCII art with misaligned stuff halfway through the art.
[267.92] Frank: Having the right number of pixels.
[270.92] Stephen: So I guess because I've started on this a prompt you hardware waffle, I'll continue on the impromptu hardware waffle.
[278.92] Stephen: There's some new shark bite stuff.
[280.92] Stephen: Shark bite is hitting one watt at last.
[282.92] Stephen: So people can use it for things other than racing.
[284.92] Stephen: And they're supposed to be doing a slightly smaller 20 mil VTX because they had this 20 millimeter one that was a joke.
[291.92] Stephen: Like it's 20 millimeters, but it sticks out two centimeters behind the board.
[294.92] Stephen: So you can't fit in any stacks.
[296.92] Stephen: So they're releasing one that's smaller.
[298.92] Stephen: And yeah, that's pretty much it.
[301.92] Stephen: Camera controls.
[303.92] Curry: Are they any good yet? Because, admittedly, I used the one before it was the sort of pre-release one.
[313.92] Curry: And it felt like you needed one watt just to get, like, what other VTXs would make it two hundred milliwatts.
[321.92] Stephen: Yeah. I see a lot of sparkles and quite distracting sparkles because they're like full brightness.
[327.92] Stephen: They're proper squares, aren't they, Raph, than little sparkles?
[331.92] Stephen: You can see exactly how their encoding works when it breaks up because they're not just dots, but they're small tiles.
[337.92] Stephen: It's like a corrupt JPEG with little corrupt tiles out there.
[341.92] Curry: Yeah, it seems to me like you could do better there because it's like, OK, well, that tile is this color.
[346.92] Curry: That tile is this color. That tile is this color.
[348.92] Curry: We can just interpret the other information and get it a little bit better.
[352.92] Stephen: Yeah. I think they're not going frame by frame, though.
[355.92] Stephen: They're literally going line by line, which is why they're a bit done.
[360.92] Stephen: But, yeah, I agree. It would be nice if they just made a tile sort of the same color as the ones around it instead of bright white.
[367.92] Frank: Well, looking at the poll at the moment, I mean, because we've got a poll going on in the YouTube chat at the moment of which HD FPV system would people either own or be most likely to go for.
[382.92] Frank: The current leader at 43 percent is analog forever.
[388.92] Frank: The second place is shark bites.
[392.92] Frank: And then the joint third are DJI and open HD.
[397.92] Frank: That's like the exact opposite of what I would have expected from that poll. So that's interesting.
[403.92] Stephen: Well, I think the cost is definitely a big problem.
[406.92] Stephen: I wonder how many people did pick up a shark bite el cheapo system when they went to that half price deal and instantly sold out because there were a few of them in the UK.
[415.92] Stephen: It'd be interesting to hear if anyone's picked one up and if they have any success with it.
[422.87] Jack: You know, that was quite the reasonable price, wasn't it? Yeah.
[427.87] Stephen: It's like 80 quid for the module. It's cheaper than a good analog module, cheaper than your fusion or rapid fire modules.
[437.87] Jack: But like weren't you saying something about like the technology is limited and, you know, that's all they can kind of do with it.
[447.87] Jack: You reckon they'll come out with something else?
[450.87] Stephen: I think these different math guys, they want to make a show of it.
[453.87] Stephen: And the guy behind it made a pretty impassioned speech about like I've been an engineer, electrical engineer all my life.
[461.87] Stephen: He wants to do something that moves the industry along instead of using late 80s CCTV camera technology to do FPV.
[470.87] Stephen: So I think he wants to leave some legacy behind. Obviously, starting making a chip is a pretty big endeavor.
[476.87] Stephen: And they seem to have done it using a really inefficient process that takes a lot of power and the chip itself is physically huge.
[482.87] Stephen: So I think it will get better if people get on board and they start to make it smaller and not take as much energy.
[488.87] Stephen: Not as hot could be pretty great.
[492.87] Jack: How hot is hot? Are you talking active cooling or heat sink?
[498.87] Stephen: Well, there were reports of lots of them failing early on, weren't there?
[501.87] Stephen: And then they kind of scaled back to this 200 milliwatt version.
[504.87] Stephen: So I think that there's some heat issues they've got to sort out there because clearly that the encoder plus the power amplifier is taking a fair bit of power draw.
[514.87] Curry: Have any of you guys been flying lately?
[520.37] Curry: Yeah, I flew yesterday for the first time in forever.
[524.37] Curry: Well done. Congratulations.
[526.37] Curry: I was very impressed with myself. Thank you. It was a very long flight.
[529.37] Curry: It was to test out one of the little happy model PP receivers, which are the teeny tiny ones with a ceramic antenna.
[538.37] Curry: So I shoved it inside an old toothpick that I didn't like anymore because that used to have an SBI receiver.
[545.37] Curry: And if I got more than about 10 meters behind myself, the RSI would drop below 20.
[549.37] Curry: And I thought this would be a good test to see if E LRS shoved inside it without any antenna or BSR could do better.
[558.37] Curry: The answer was it could. And I ran out of my usual spot where if anybody's seen my videos, there's this sort of thin area of trees that I can go up and down.
[568.37] Curry: It's a corridor. So I went to the end and it was still at 6100 on the LQ.
[573.37] Curry: So I went to the other end behind me and it didn't move either. So then I tried flying out over the trees as far as I could,
[578.37] Curry: forgetting slightly that when you're in a big corridor full of big trees and you go that way and then the wind blows you over,
[586.37] Curry: that can be problematic for the next point of view.
[589.37] Curry: It's like it's very snowy all of a sudden. And when I turn around, it's like, oh, that corridor is over there.
[595.37] Curry: But I managed to get far before then I noticed it was at like 10 volts.
[602.37] Curry: How are you running?
[603.37] Stephen: 3S.
[604.37] Stephen: Your radio.
[606.37] Curry: Oh, my radio, 100 milliwatts.
[609.37] Stephen: Oh, right. You'll go for days on 100 milliwatt.
[611.37] Curry: Yeah, I was using the Nimmino module, so I could have put it up to a watt if I wanted to.
[617.37] Curry: You've been practicing saying that, haven't you, Kerry?
[619.37] Curry: I didn't have any battery. I cocked it up twice on my video.
[623.37] Curry: But I would have run out of battery. So yeah, I managed to get it back.
[628.37] Curry: My video basically says it's magic.
[631.37] Curry: There's a little magic receiver.
[632.37] Curry: You put it in something small and you will never have to worry about range, ever.
[637.37] Curry: Because I think we were at this situation where VTX has got really good and it was going the wrong way.
[643.37] Curry: Basically, we were able to outfly our video.
[646.37] Curry: Our video was able to outfly our control mechanism, which was just useless because you're like, I'm going really well, falls out the sky.
[653.37] Curry: Now, at least we can outfly the video again.
[655.37] Curry: So you're going along. It should be the case of all videos getting a little bit snowy.
[659.37] Curry: If you're on good old analog, I'll turn around and come back.
[661.37] Curry: And you've got all the power in the world to do that on your radio, which is the right way around.
[665.37] Curry: But yeah, I was really, really impressed.
[667.37] Curry: I'm looking forward to testing out my other new quad that I built with a proper antenna on an E LRS receiver.
[676.37] Curry: Because that should go plenty of room.
[678.37] Stephen: I was actually flying on 100 milliwatt for a while in the park and having really bad range.
[682.37] Stephen: And then I realized, because I was using one of these XLITE antennas, it has an RPSMA.
[688.37] Stephen: It doesn't have a pin in it.
[690.37] Stephen: So I didn't actually have the antenna connected.
[693.37] Stephen: I'm still flying just fine.
[697.37] Curry: Does that screw up your transmitter a bit?
[700.37] Curry: It wasn't happy.
[702.37] Stephen: Luckily, I didn't crank up the power to try and solve the problem.
[705.37] Stephen: So I think the power amplifier stayed in the world of the living.
[708.37] Stephen: That was good.
[709.37] Stephen: It did.
[711.37] Jack: Have you got the adapter for that?
[713.37] Stephen: Adapter?
[714.37] Stephen: I just dropped a pin in it and soldered a pin in the middle.
[718.37] Stephen: I have to say, that's the XLITE antenna, isn't it?
[723.37] Curry: Yeah, it's cute.
[724.37] Curry: You don't need much more than that.
[725.37] Curry: I put that on the T-LITE.
[726.37] Curry: It's all right.
[727.37] Curry: When I tested that against the regular antenna, I honestly didn't see a difference.
[731.37] Curry: I thought, oh, that's good.
[732.37] Curry: I just got it good.
[733.37] Curry: It was small and let it get out of the way.
[735.37] Curry: Yeah.
[736.37] Curry: But no, it is smaller, so that's good.
[738.37] Stephen: It doesn't poke out as much.
[740.37] Stephen: I wanted something that fitted into the bag without snapping off, so that guy fits.
[745.37] Stephen: But yeah, it comes without the one without a pin.
[747.37] Stephen: I think it's RPSMA that they put the pin on the threaded connection on the radio instead
[753.37] Stephen: of on there.
[754.37] Curry: Yeah, that's a legal thing, I think.
[757.37] Curry: Yeah, that's like if a CE thing, everything should be RPSMA.
[761.37] Stephen: Why F R Sky do this and no one else in the industry does?
[764.37] Stephen: It just blows my mind a little bit.
[766.37] Jack: No, Ghost had to as well.
[769.37] Jack: Really?
[770.37] Jack: Yeah, to get their C mark.
[772.37] Frank: There's a comment in the chat I've just seen saying, got a Tango 2 this week and with
[776.37] Frank: an hour of it arriving, I'd already opened it up and installed an ELRS module.
[781.37] Frank: That's failsafe, isn't it?
[782.37] Frank: Well, yes, I was going to say, that's great and everything, but coming from someone whose
[787.37] Frank: name is Failsafe FPV, I'm not sure that's got quite the impact that you were hoping
[792.37] Stephen: for.
[793.37] Stephen: It's the guy who made my module with the survivable power amplifier, so he knows what
[798.37] Stephen: he's doing.
[799.37] Curry: It's another thing I liked about XpressRS.
[801.37] Curry: I was using the TBS netmambo with a Nimmino module and a happy model receiver.
[810.37] Curry: Everything plays nice together.
[811.37] Curry: I was quite happy about that.
[813.37] Curry: Happy model made me happy.
[815.37] Stephen: Speaking of which, we're at another natural segue.
[818.37] Stephen: We've all been complaining, our ELRS is good for everything, except planes.
[822.37] Stephen: What about the planes?
[823.37] Stephen: Someone remember the fixed-wing guys with their need for eight full-range PWM channels?
[829.37] Stephen: Yes, please.
[831.37] Stephen: Well, Matek have released their own range of receivers, so it's not by some off-brand
[836.37] Stephen: like Banggood brand.
[838.37] Stephen: A lot of stuff has appeared on Banggood.
[840.37] Stephen: If you look for XpressRS on Banggood, you'll see J, E, H, MCU, HGLRC.
[846.37] Stephen: Everyone has started to produce versions of those little happy model receivers or something
[851.37] Stephen: that's like their beta FPV.
[852.37] Stephen: They follow some distinct types because they're all basically using the same blueprints.
[856.37] Stephen: But now, the real big guns have gotten on the action, and we've seen Matek come out
[861.37] Stephen: with a couple of modules that are supposed to be arriving mid-October.
[865.37] Stephen: They're doing one that looks like the beta FPV with a UFL and one that includes an antenna
[872.37] Stephen: switcher with two antennas for diversity.
[876.37] Stephen: Along with that, they're releasing a board that does CRSF to PWM.
[882.37] Stephen: Well, two boards that do that, one small one and one big one with a current meter on it.
[887.37] Stephen: They both take VBats.
[888.37] Stephen: You can get your VBAT telemetry back.
[890.37] Stephen: They speak CRSF, which is the on-the-wire protocol that all these E LRS modules use.
[895.37] Stephen: You slap your E LRS module onto this PWM adapter, get your PWM channels out,
[900.37] Stephen: and it will send back your battery voltage in your current usage.
[905.37] Frank: Do we know the price points yet?
[908.37] Frank: I'm still thinking.
[909.37] Frank: You can get a trace of receivers, six PWM channels for less than 30-grade.
[916.37] Stephen: It's true.
[918.37] Stephen: I'm not sure what the pricing is going to be.
[920.37] Stephen: So far, on Banggood, all of the receivers are coming in about the 15-quid mark,
[925.37] Stephen: which is strange.
[926.37] Stephen: I don't know if you guys have noticed, but I used to shop on Banggood all the time
[930.37] Stephen: because you just couldn't beat their pricing.
[932.37] Stephen: Now I'm seeing UK resellers beating Banggood.
[936.37] Stephen: Obviously, you may be paying a couple of quid for shipping to get it via Royal Mail,
[940.37] Stephen: but you're getting it a lot quicker,
[943.37] Stephen: and you don't have to deal with Banggood and their dubious customer service.
[948.37] Frank: Or importing at the moment.
[950.37] Frank: Who wants to risk getting something imported?
[953.37] Frank: It might take six weeks and you might get a stupid amount of money charged
[959.37] Frank: for holding something up if there's some bit of paperwork not right.
[964.37] Frank: No, not doing that at the moment.
[966.37] Frank: I'm giving that another year before I order direct from China.
[970.37] Stephen: Yeah, I do order in Balkan Alley, but that's about it.
[974.37] Jack: I know this is a bit non-secretary, but excuse me for a minute.
[978.37] Jack: The L key on my keyboard's broken off,
[981.37] Jack: and for weeks I have been without an L key,
[985.37] Jack: and I need to buy an L key.
[989.37] Jack: I'm sorry, talk amongst yourselves.
[992.37] Curry: How is it that an L key randomly breaks off?
[997.37] Stephen: Where does it go if not on your desk? Did you eat it?
[1001.37] Frank: It's because of how much he's just space-bearing, LDO and LAC.
[1009.37] Jack: Look, the cap is broken.
[1013.37] Jack: My G and H keys are melted.
[1016.37] Jack: If you get some weird text on me in the chat, it's me removing that key.
[1024.37] Curry: It's not normal for your keys to melt under normal use, I have to say that.
[1027.37] Frank: Jack, you're not even meant to use your keyboard as your soldering iron stand.
[1032.37] Stephen: I am a heavy typist, and I have sprung off my shift and control keys from slamming them,
[1038.37] Stephen: but I've not actually managed to snap the key in half like Jack did.
[1043.37] Stephen: I've seen some sort of weird gamer rage quit video where he picks up the keyboards.
[1050.37] Stephen: Suggestions in the chat, please.
[1053.37] Stephen: If you know a good set of keycaps for the stronger typist,
[1058.37] Curry: or you could just buy a new keyboard from Amazon for like three quid.
[1062.37] Jack: No, I like this one.
[1064.37] Frank: Although B1, last time I ordered a new keyboard from Amazon,
[1069.37] Frank: and it was an Italian one.
[1072.37] Frank: Lots of Italian accents and things.
[1075.37] Frank: Interesting.
[1078.37] Frank: An update on the poll in the chat.
[1081.37] Frank: DJI is coming up, it's coming up and level with your art bike.
[1088.37] Frank: OpenHD is now trailing.
[1090.37] Curry: DJI fanboys have arrived.
[1093.37] Curry: The rich people.
[1096.37] Frank: But analog is still way ahead.
[1101.37] Stephen: I just like these polls because I would totally have clicked analog and DJI.
[1105.37] Stephen: Because there's no way I'm going to piss around and put DJI on something that's like a three inch quad.
[1111.37] Stephen: It's too heavy, and decasing it is just going to smash it to pieces.
[1116.37] Stephen: I think there's room for more than one.
[1119.37] Curry: What did everybody else fly? What did Steven and Frank fly?
[1123.37] Stephen: I went to the park, over lunched, de-stressed,
[1126.37] Stephen: and just found a little spot under some trees and flew my silly little toothpicks,
[1131.37] Stephen: little micros, nothing impressive.
[1134.37] Stephen: Just a little bit of light acro messing around.
[1138.37] Frank: I went out and, because I don't think, I think it was just before the last show,
[1144.37] Frank: but I wasn't on the last show.
[1147.37] Frank: I went out and flew my thrust vectored wing, which was terrifying.
[1154.37] Curry: Have you got video this time?
[1156.37] Frank: No, I don't take cameras with me.
[1158.37] Curry: We did see a video of your trembling hands, didn't we?
[1161.37] Curry: Yeah, exactly.
[1162.37] Curry: It's just like, tape a phone to your head and look at it that way. That would work.
[1167.37] Stephen: Yeah, I'm not going to.
[1168.37] Stephen: He's standing there with a thrust vectored wing, attracting attention.
[1172.37] Stephen: The last thing he needs to do is be the guy who's gaffotaped the phone to his head.
[1176.37] Stephen: He's going to get questions anyway.
[1179.37] Curry: It completes the look, mad scientist.
[1184.37] Frank: Yeah, it's quite fast, and it was stable enough.
[1191.37] Frank: I could keep it going in the same direction for a while,
[1194.37] Frank: but it's unsurprisingly very sensitive.
[1199.37] Stephen: Are you using beta flight or something to do this and treat it like a quad?
[1202.37] Frank: It's in RGU plane, well, sort of.
[1206.37] Frank: Ambition.
[1207.37] Curry: It's a tail sitter in RGU pilot.
[1210.37] Curry: All the good experimental stuff's in RGU pilot, isn't it? Let's face it.
[1214.37] Frank: Yeah.
[1215.37] Frank: Well, that is the thing, is I couldn't work out a way in either beta flight or iNav to have...
[1223.37] Frank: It stabilizes itself as a wing and stabilizes itself as a bi-copter.
[1229.37] Frank: Whereas there is a specific tail sitter, VTOL, quad plane, I think is the name in RGU pilot,
[1239.37] Frank: that can specifically do that.
[1241.37] Frank: So I'm like, oh, I'll have a go at that.
[1243.37] Frank: Yep.
[1244.37] Stephen: Because in RGU pilot, there's going to be things like flying dodecahedrons and God knows what.
[1249.37] Frank: Yeah.
[1251.37] Frank: Turns out RGU pilot is quite tricky.
[1256.37] Frank: I haven't really got my head around it still, but I've got it flying.
[1259.37] Curry: It's fine as long as you can get past the compass thing, which I never seem to manage.
[1265.37] Curry: All I do is look at the screen, 100% of the time it's telling me that the compass health is not good.
[1271.37] Curry: And it's at a hudup of 1.1 and needs to be 1.0 constantly, no matter what I do.
[1279.37] Curry: I've had five minutes of flying correctly with RGU pilot and the rest of it yelling at me about stuff.
[1285.37] Stephen: Is RGU pilot the one where you need things on very specific ports and you can't configure them to other ports?
[1293.37] Curry: It kind of depends on what hardware you've got.
[1297.37] Curry: But it's kind of fussy about certain things, certainly.
[1301.37] Curry: If you want to change something, this is why Frank loves it.
[1305.37] Curry: It's like calling up a spreadsheet.
[1307.37] Curry: It's like, what do I want to do? I want this option.
[1309.37] Curry: It comes down with a load of things, columns, stuff, things to annotate.
[1313.37] Stephen: I want this to the cosine of my RC rate.
[1317.37] Stephen: And off you go.
[1319.37] Frank: It's not that straightforward.
[1321.37] Frank: It's not like you can just arbitrarily put in functions.
[1323.37] Frank: It's not that simple.
[1325.37] Curry: It's not like you know what any of the functions do. That would be easy.
[1327.37] Curry: They're named after the developers who wrote them and nothing else.
[1331.37] Frank: It's magic seven.
[1334.37] Frank: Yeah, it takes a lot of reference material to work out what's going on.
[1338.37] Frank: I still haven't been able to get to the point where I'm confident that the failsafe will do what I expected to do.
[1345.37] Frank: Because the sort of the basic understanding seems to be that the failsafe should...
[1353.37] Frank: That it's an autonomous vehicle that you occasionally have radio control of.
[1358.37] Frank: It's not expecting you to be like, kill the plane when you don't have radio control.
[1363.37] Frank: So trying to tell it like, if I turn my radio off, turn the motor off, please.
[1369.37] Frank: It doesn't like that. It doesn't seem to...
[1372.37] Stephen: No, I will ascend to a safe altitude and wait for further commands.
[1377.37] Curry: Exactly.
[1378.37] Curry: One of the funniest memories I have from our meets is my friend was using R2Pilot in his Skywalker.
[1384.37] Curry: If you remember from the Halloween episode, this is the same person that expected it to go into failsafe.
[1389.37] Curry: And instead, it just all go into horizon mode where it roars and it went off and almost hit that very high voltage electricity pilot.
[1398.37] Curry: So the funniest thing he had, because he was really keen on trying stuff out and it had his auto launch feature.
[1404.37] Curry: And there wasn't much documentation about it other than you put it in auto launch and you move the plane and it would start going.
[1410.37] Curry: But him moving the plane involved him running about half the distance, like 200 meters down the field.
[1416.37] Curry: And then all the motors have started. I'm going to throw it.
[1419.37] Curry: We came all the way over there.
[1421.37] Curry: And it was equally as funny on the auto landing where I think the software actually fought with itself because it's coming down to land.
[1428.37] Curry: It's coming down to land. It's coming down to land.
[1430.37] Curry: And suddenly it starts going upwards again.
[1432.37] Curry: And it's like, as far as we could figure, it was like it was landing.
[1436.37] Curry: But the software also then thought it was stalling and tried to come out of the stall, but also try and land at the same time.
[1441.37] Curry: And it's just it was not happy at all.
[1444.37] Frank: Yeah, it's and then it's got a whole like simulator that you can you can like not as in that you're flying it simulator,
[1452.37] Frank: but that is you can ask it to simulate what it would do in particular situations.
[1457.37] Frank: But that is again, like that's a whole other level of things to try and learn.
[1462.37] Frank: I might just give up and be like, I can just fly a crow.
[1466.37] Frank: It's fine.
[1468.37] Stephen: You could just put beta flight on it and pretend it's a quad and just like run it.
[1473.37] Stephen: Run it full throttle on the winds of bonus, you know.
[1476.37] Frank: Yeah, pretty much pretty much.
[1479.37] Frank: But yeah, that's that's so that was quite fun.
[1482.37] Frank: And then while I was trying to get the shakers under control after flying that, I took out the head tracking pan.
[1494.37] Frank: Well, it's not head tracking at the moment, but pan powered glider.
[1502.37] Frank: And that I bought for me, Chris.
[1505.37] Frank: Pan powered glider.
[1506.37] Frank: You mean you have to go like that thing that makes it go.
[1509.37] Frank: Yeah. So a powered glider with a FPV panning, like not a pan, but just a pan.
[1515.37] Stephen: Has anyone ever done that? A head tracker to actually like your pitch?
[1520.37] Frank: Yeah, yeah.
[1522.37] Frank: That's that's that's fairly standard in the FPV, the scale FPV people.
[1529.37] Frank: That's what they do quite often.
[1531.37] Jack: Well, look like looks a controlled way.
[1536.37] Frank: No, to actually control the yaw. Yeah.
[1539.37] Stephen: Yeah, that's what I mean.
[1540.37] Stephen: You're and pitch on the head trackers.
[1544.37] Curry: And you might have an idea me and this same friend again, who always came up with interesting ideas.
[1550.37] Curry: If we both had head trackers connected to the same radio, one of us would do pitch and roll and the other one would do throttle and yaw.
[1559.37] Curry: But we couldn't figure out how to connect two head trackers into one control and test sort of mucks it through as we couldn't do it.
[1565.37] Curry: We thought that would be hell out. It would be a short but entertaining video, basically trying to control the plane.
[1573.37] Stephen: Yeah, two elderly men dancing, what appears to be a strange form of the math arena in the middle of the field.
[1579.37] Jack: Someone please take the image of Currie and make a gift of him dancing.
[1585.37] Curry: That's not even proper dad dancing. I can be much more embarrassing than that.
[1589.37] Jack: Well, I think someone accepted my offer for an L key on eBay.
[1597.19] Stephen: Oh, I decided to get experimental as well.
[1600.19] Stephen: And I loaded up that Alka Motors AM 32, the alternative firmware for BL Heli 32 ESCs.
[1608.19] Stephen: I bought a crawler and then obviously decided that nothing about it was right and proceeded to dismantle it and kind of add extra bits into it.
[1617.19] Stephen: So it's waiting for a new motor right now.
[1620.19] Stephen: And I got an iFlight Suxx X ESC in here to replace its properly janky ESC because I get really annoyed when looking at cars.
[1630.19] Stephen: And they all say, oh, this ESC is good to 3S.
[1633.19] Stephen: I'll do like 60 amps, but only 3S. So I wanted something that I could run sensible IPOs on.
[1640.19] Stephen: Yeah, it's pretty interesting, actually.
[1642.19] Stephen: Pretty interesting.
[1643.19] Stephen: He's added all sorts of crazy stuff to the firmware for vehicles.
[1647.19] Stephen: So you can use your BL Heli 32 ESC to do crawlers and RC cars.
[1652.19] Stephen: And it's got the two-touch reverse.
[1655.19] Stephen: You do one for brake and then second to pull back on the throttle to go into reverse.
[1660.19] Stephen: And he's got sinusoidal startup, so like smooth startup, and then moves out of sinusoidal mode when it reaches a certain speed.
[1669.19] Stephen: And you can override the stall thing.
[1671.19] Stephen: So you can choose to either work like a quad where you don't burn your motors out.
[1675.19] Stephen: And if something hits the prop, it just stops the motor.
[1678.19] Stephen: Or you can have a kind of a crawler approach, which does the opposite.
[1683.19] Stephen: And you can have behavior so that when something is pushing back against the motor, it slowly actually increases the drive power until the motor starts turning again.
[1692.19] Stephen: So lots of neat stuff there.
[1696.19] Frank: Thank you, Wynn.
[1698.19] Frank: Wynn says,
[1699.19] Frank: Beach Flight Rescue does my head in.
[1700.19] Frank: Yes, it rescues, but it will land, come down where it likes, normally nowhere near you.
[1705.19] Frank: Nice seeing you all at Western Park.
[1708.19] Curry: Don't forget, the idea of Beach Flight Rescue is not to have it come back and land brackets crash at you.
[1715.19] Curry: It's just when it comes back into signal, take it out of rescue and land it.
[1720.19] Stephen: Beach Flight Rescue is put my quad near me and nothing more than that.
[1724.19] Stephen: So I want my quad near me as opposed to where I currently lost the signal.
[1728.19] Curry: It's more frightening than that because it's essentially I'm going to crash right at you.
[1732.19] Curry: It's like take it out before it gets you normally.
[1735.19] Stephen: And if you engage it under the distance limit, it will fail safe as well.
[1739.19] Stephen: That's the thing people really need to remember about Beach Flight Rescue.
[1743.19] Stephen: It's not rescue until you're more than 100 meters away by default.
[1747.19] Stephen: If you're less than 100 meters away from yourself, it doesn't believe that it knows where you are.
[1752.19] Stephen: And it's just going to fail safe when you hit GPS rescue.
[1755.19] Stephen: So, yeah, testing is a good idea with that one.
[1758.19] Stephen: Fun times.
[1760.19] Jack: I need to do a bonus pod.
[1762.19] Jack: Maybe we could chat to win about that in the bonus.
[1765.19] Jack: Yeah.
[1766.19] Jack: If he's got a video as well.
[1768.19] Jack: Yeah, man, we'll discuss it and chat about it if he's up for chatting to us.
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[1800.19] Stephen: Gary, have you experimented with your crawler any time recently?
[1803.19] Stephen: Speaking of crawlers and things.
[1805.19] Curry: No, I mean, I replaced the camera on it not long ago,
[1809.19] Curry: so it was a bit better and I've sort of messed with it indoors.
[1813.19] Curry: I keep meaning to...
[1815.19] Curry: I wrote this little thing to do basically driving over the net
[1819.19] Curry: where we're sending little amounts of packets so people could like do stuff.
[1824.19] Curry: And I keep wanting to get that plugged in,
[1827.19] Curry: but I can't make that run on any of the multi-protocol modules.
[1830.19] Curry: So one of my things to do is to take a multi-protocol module
[1834.19] Curry: and put it in debug mode and try and work out what the bind sequence is
[1839.19] Curry: to see if I can get it added to the list of things it will work on
[1842.19] Curry: if I explain the sort of data I'm getting.
[1845.19] Curry: I've literally found the only radio receiver that doesn't seem to work
[1849.19] Curry: on any of the multi-protocol module protocols, which is really weird.
[1854.19] Curry: Even though it's listed as one of the ones that should.
[1857.19] Curry: What is it?
[1859.19] Curry: It is... Where is it? It's not around here.
[1863.19] Curry: It's this thing Hobbyking had called the Rockstar Basher.
[1869.19] Curry: It's a little 1.24th crawler and it uses...
[1873.19] Curry: What is it? AF2S something?
[1875.19] Curry: It's one of the FlySky...
[1876.19] Curry: Allegedly one of the FlySky protocols it should use,
[1879.19] Curry: but doesn't seem to work.
[1881.19] Curry: Can't get it to bind at all.
[1884.19] Stephen: It's got a quad in there? A quad RX?
[1889.19] Curry: Yeah, I would do, but it's got a single board in there
[1892.19] Curry: which has the ESCs and the receiver and everything else built in.
[1897.19] Curry: It's not something you can just simply...
[1899.19] Curry: It'd be nice and easy if you just swap out the receiver easily,
[1902.19] Curry: but there's some extra hardware in there which makes it a bit of a pain.
[1905.19] Stephen: The five-wire servos and stuff that they put in there,
[1908.19] Stephen: almost as if they want to stop you from doing anything interesting.
[1911.19] Curry: Yeah, I do have a spare car.
[1913.19] Curry: It's usually the case of it...
[1915.19] Curry: The fact that they've built it to a price and a scale
[1919.19] Curry: and it's convenient, but when you want to do things differently,
[1922.19] Curry: it just all breaks.
[1924.19] Stephen: Yeah.
[1925.19] Stephen: The number of people on car forums are like,
[1927.19] Stephen: oh, so I wanted to upgrade my motor
[1930.19] Stephen: and then I needed to upgrade my ESC,
[1933.19] Stephen: but the ESC is built into the receiver,
[1935.19] Stephen: so I had to get a new receiver
[1938.19] Stephen: and the servo is a five-wire one
[1941.19] Stephen: and so I had to change that to a three-wire one.
[1944.19] Stephen: So I went to...
[1945.19] Stephen: I wanted to change one component
[1946.19] Stephen: and I had to rip out the entire guts of this,
[1948.19] Stephen: everything down to the rolling chassis and just replace everything.
[1952.19] Stephen: Seems to be pretty common.
[1953.19] Stephen: It might just start again.
[1954.19] Stephen: Yeah.
[1955.19] Frank: The poll in the chat of more people being going for the DJI
[1960.19] Frank: is way overtaken truck by now
[1963.19] Frank: and it's catching up with analog.
[1965.19] Frank: Oh, no.
[1969.19] Curry: I'll tell you what else I found when I was flying yesterday.
[1973.19] Curry: I've forgotten how bad a bad camera is.
[1977.19] Curry: Now the sun is slightly lower in the sky now.
[1981.19] Curry: During the height of summer,
[1982.19] Curry: it was like up high and everything's good.
[1984.19] Curry: As soon as you got...
[1985.19] Curry: And I was using a little horrible toothpick review from 2019,
[1991.19] Curry: which had a Cadix EOS 2 in it,
[1993.19] Curry: which is fine unless you're heading towards the sun through the trees.
[1998.19] Curry: Basically, I got this tiny view and everything else was black.
[2006.19] Curry: That was bad.
[2007.19] Curry: I'm so glad about better cameras now.
[2010.19] Stephen: Wasn't that the generation of Cadix cameras
[2012.19] Stephen: that managed to make the grass slightly purple?
[2016.19] Curry: Yes, it did have a very... Was it purply?
[2018.19] Curry: It was certainly an orangey purply tinge to it.
[2021.19] Curry: And that EOS 2 was on every single simple bind and fly quad
[2027.19] Curry: that was coming out of China at that time
[2029.19] Curry: because it was quite small and it wasn't bad under good conditions.
[2034.19] Curry: But literally every toothpick,
[2036.19] Curry: every whoop that was coming out was like,
[2038.19] Curry: oh, yeah, that's got...
[2039.19] Curry: Oh, look, it's a Cadix EOS 2 again.
[2041.19] Curry: I must have had 20 of them in various models and stuff kicking around.
[2046.19] Stephen: Yeah, they're pretty bad cameras.
[2048.19] Stephen: It was really nice when Cadix moved to the Rotel
[2050.19] Stephen: because it's just not in the same league at all.
[2053.19] Stephen: Totally different glass of camera.
[2055.19] Stephen: So, so good.
[2056.19] Frank: Tell you what else happened recently.
[2060.19] Frank: Lurgi finished his record-breaking flight from Eldiono
[2065.19] Frank: of five weeks from launch to landing.
[2070.19] Frank: Admittedly, the vast majority of that was in a tree,
[2074.19] Frank: but it is in pretty good nick.
[2079.19] Frank: It's in there.
[2081.19] Frank: Looks like a wing.
[2082.19] Frank: Yeah, it's still wing-shaped.
[2085.19] Frank: Oh, it had some damage on a servo.
[2088.19] Frank: It's collected in bird poo.
[2091.19] Frank: And it's lost...
[2093.19] Frank: Well, winglet has come loose.
[2095.19] Frank: But apart from that, it's pretty good.
[2098.19] Frank: So did you just have to wait for the weather
[2101.19] Curry: to encourage it out of the tree, or did someone...
[2103.19] Frank: Yeah, so the goat herd is...
[2107.19] Frank: I said that they found it,
[2110.19] Frank: and I would probably know what to do with it.
[2114.19] Frank: And they were right.
[2115.19] Jack: As it landed.
[2118.19] Stephen: Nice.
[2119.19] Stephen: Yeah.
[2120.19] Stephen: Some damage to a servo.
[2121.19] Stephen: That's pretty good for five weeks stuck up a tree.
[2124.19] Stephen: No wing left behind.
[2126.19] Stephen: Yeah, exactly.
[2127.19] Stephen: That's more like it.
[2128.19] Jack: Yeah, what board's in it?
[2129.19] Jack: Is there a board?
[2130.19] Stephen: Is that the receiver?
[2133.19] Stephen: I think he got the battery, didn't he?
[2135.19] Frank: Yeah, the battery carried on on a ballistic trajectory
[2140.19] Frank: and could be recovered.
[2143.19] Frank: F4-11 Maytec wing.
[2149.3] Stephen: You've put a light bulb on there
[2151.3] Stephen: to see if it lit up or caught fire.
[2153.3] Frank: I have not dared to.
[2156.3] Frank: I'm leaving that till early.
[2158.3] Stephen: Maybe let it dry for a while.
[2160.3] Jack: I do have...
[2162.3] Jack: I've picked up a new product that I do...
[2165.3] Jack: I haven't got anything to test it out.
[2168.3] Jack: And it is here.
[2169.3] Curry: I will create a new product as well while you're doing that.
[2172.3] Curry: Ooh.
[2173.3] Jack: Yeah, we're not sponsored by these.
[2176.3] Jack: anandaleultrasonics.co.uk.
[2180.3] Jack: I was really, really impressed with their ultrasonic flux remover.
[2190.3] Jack: So I picked up some oxidation and...
[2197.3] Jack: Yeah, oxidation removal ultrasonic solution.
[2202.3] Jack: Removing oxidation to metals,
[2204.3] Jack: including iron, copper, aluminum, and stainless steel.
[2208.3] Jack: Nice.
[2209.3] Frank: So, yeah, we can try some of that out.
[2212.3] Frank: What is in it?
[2214.3] Frank: Just out of interest.
[2216.3] Frank: Is it just acid?
[2217.3] Frank: What's in it?
[2219.3] Jack: What's the color of your skin?
[2222.3] Jack: Keep out of children's reach.
[2225.3] Jack: You're holding it.
[2227.3] Jack: Yeah, this is our specially formulated
[2230.3] Jack: concentrate solution for moving oxides from mechanical and machine parts.
[2234.3] Jack: Orange laser.
[2236.3] Jack: Oxidation and rust from metals.
[2239.3] Jack: Concentrate is added to water
[2243.3] Jack: at a rate of one part concentrate to ten parts water.
[2247.3] Jack: We recommend using deionized...
[2251.3] Jack: What?
[2252.3] Jack: And dematerialized water.
[2254.3] Jack: Dematerialized water sounds like...
[2256.3] Jack: We can operate it between 40 and 80C,
[2260.3] Jack: or we can gas the solution prior to ultrasonic cleaning
[2265.3] Jack: and change regularly to avoid cross-contamination.
[2271.3] Jack: So it's apparently very corrosive.
[2277.32] Jack: But, you know...
[2280.56] Jack: Oh, wrong one.
[2281.56] Jack: Hopefully we can put it on chips.
[2284.56] Stephen: That's supposed to say don't store near fireworks
[2289.32] Stephen: and I entirely agree.
[2291.32] Jack: Oh, demineralized.
[2293.32] Jack: Yeah, that's right.
[2295.32] Curry: I like dematerialized better.
[2297.32] Curry: It's like, I've got it.
[2299.32] Jack: Demineralized.
[2301.32] Jack: Yeah, sorry.
[2303.32] Curry: Well, my exciting product is in this box,
[2306.32] Curry: and I will warn you to shield your eyes
[2309.32] Curry: because the color shocked me a little bit when I first got it out.
[2312.32] Curry: This is colorful.
[2314.32] Curry: Wow.
[2316.32] Curry: That is colorful, isn't it?
[2318.32] Curry: This is kind of interesting because lots of people
[2321.32] Curry: kept buying those cinewoops,
[2323.32] Curry: and I was like, there's only about five or ten people
[2326.32] Curry: around the country that must need this
[2328.32] Curry: because unless you're filming professionally with a GoPro
[2331.32] Curry: in places you can't use like a regular quad,
[2333.32] Curry: you don't need a cinewoop.
[2335.32] Curry: And people kept buying them, and I think they were doing it
[2338.32] Curry: because they were thinking,
[2339.32] Curry: oh, it'd be good if I crash it because it'd bounce off stuff.
[2342.32] Curry: So this is actually built for those people.
[2344.32] Curry: The idea of this, it's like a cinewoop,
[2347.32] Curry: but it has been produced for basically going faster.
[2352.32] Curry: They say racing and light freestyle,
[2357.32] Curry: and these are purely for protection against it hitting stuff
[2362.32] Curry: and hurting itself.
[2363.32] Curry: It's got those five-bladed props,
[2365.32] Curry: which is supposed to be quieter.
[2366.32] Curry: It's got a Kalex Retelle II on it.
[2368.32] Curry: Yay, and an S7 flight controller.
[2371.32] Curry: And it's called the...
[2372.32] Curry: And it's a pusher.
[2373.32] Curry: Yeah, underneath it.
[2375.32] Curry: Nice.
[2376.32] Curry: Which is different.
[2377.32] Curry: So that'll be fun too.
[2378.32] Stephen: Did you get any hassle taking off?
[2380.32] Stephen: If you're taking off from grass and leaves and stuff,
[2382.32] Stephen: do they get a bit jammed or...?
[2384.32] Curry: I don't know, yeah.
[2385.32] Curry: It only came in the post.
[2387.32] Curry: Was it today? I think it was today or yesterday.
[2389.32] Curry: Would you mean by pusher?
[2392.32] Curry: So the motors go down instead of up from the arms.
[2395.32] Curry: Downwards.
[2396.32] Curry: So we're pushing down there instead of the normal pulling up.
[2400.32] Curry: Or I just fly upside down all the time, I guess.
[2404.32] Curry: Super high angle.
[2406.32] Curry: But they've done something very good as well.
[2408.32] Curry: This is not an advertising part for a HCLC,
[2411.32] Curry: but they've done some obvious things.
[2413.32] Curry: If you've ever had a cine whoop,
[2415.32] Curry: you will know that getting to the flight controller
[2417.32] Curry: involves a very pathetic 90-degree right-angled USB connector
[2423.32] Curry: in which you had to use a baby's hand to get it in
[2426.32] Curry: and their tiny bendy metal bits which break off.
[2429.32] Curry: They've just got a USB-C connector there.
[2431.32] Curry: Isn't that a good idea?
[2433.32] Curry: And it's so obvious.
[2434.32] Curry: Why did nobody else come up with that?
[2436.32] Stephen: Because everyone else didn't bother to design their quad.
[2438.32] Stephen: They just took bits out of parts bin.
[2440.32] Curry: Yeah.
[2441.32] Curry: So, yeah.
[2442.32] Curry: Well done to HCLC.
[2443.32] Curry: Fortunately, it doesn't come in just these colours.
[2446.32] Curry: What I thought they actually did, I thought,
[2448.32] Curry: oh, they're trying to show me what colours it comes in
[2450.32] Curry: by giving me this awful one.
[2451.32] Curry: But this is a model called mixed.
[2453.32] Curry: That is an official model.
[2454.32] Curry: You can order it like this.
[2456.32] Curry: You've got no taste or a colour blind and don't care.
[2460.32] Curry: Well, you wouldn't have any problems with orientation,
[2462.32] Curry: would you?
[2463.32] Jack: Yeah.
[2464.32] Jack: You'll know orientation.
[2466.32] Curry: Well, normally orientation is one colour at the front
[2469.32] Curry: and one colour at the back.
[2470.32] Curry: I would just like, hang on.
[2472.32] Curry: Is it purple-pink?
[2475.32] Curry: What happens if you're flying inverted, Currie?
[2478.32] Stephen: Now you can tell.
[2479.32] Stephen: If you're flying your CineWoop inverted,
[2481.32] Stephen: you've still got perfect orientation.
[2483.32] Stephen: It's not a problem.
[2484.32] Stephen: Well, who knows?
[2486.32] Stephen: What was it called in the end?
[2488.32] Curry: It was called...
[2489.32] Curry: I forgot it.
[2490.32] Curry: Hang on.
[2492.32] Curry: It's called the...
[2493.32] Curry: I think it's called the RaceWoop something.
[2495.32] Curry: Let's have a look.
[2496.32] Curry: RaceWoop 30 is what it's called.
[2498.32] Curry: Yeah.
[2499.32] Jack: OBR in the chat said RaceWoop.
[2501.32] Curry: Yes.
[2502.32] Curry: There's been a RaceWoop 25 as well.
[2504.32] Curry: This is the RaceWoop 30.
[2506.32] Curry: And I've got the success version.
[2508.32] Curry: So I'm interested to see if it's really noisy
[2511.32] Curry: and it actually does what it can do
[2514.32] Curry: and go fast without overheating.
[2516.32] Curry: And then I'm going to crash it into some trees
[2518.32] Curry: and I'm actually going to pretend I did it on purpose.
[2521.32] Curry: But I normally crash into trees anyway.
[2523.32] Stephen: I noticed that they went small for a while.
[2526.32] Stephen: They went down to like 2-inch props
[2528.32] Stephen: and 40-mil props and all this silliness.
[2530.32] Stephen: And they started to do CineWoops now
[2533.32] Stephen: with 3.5-inch props.
[2535.32] Stephen: I think maybe HGLRC as well released one called the Terra...
[2539.32] Stephen: Was it?
[2540.32] Stephen: No, that was a Shen Drones one.
[2541.32] Stephen: With 3.5-inch props on 2207,
[2545.32] Stephen: basically a 5-inch system with the CineWoop frame
[2551.32] Stephen: and 3.5-inch props.
[2552.32] Stephen: So I wonder how long it is
[2553.32] Stephen: before we just see a 5-inch quad with ducts
[2555.32] Stephen: and people like to take that.
[2557.32] Curry: HGLRC have been doing some...
[2559.32] Curry: They've been doing some different...
[2560.32] Curry: They haven't been doing ducts.
[2561.32] Curry: They did ones I reviewed not long ago
[2565.32] Curry: which had sort of surrounds of the props
[2568.32] Curry: so you could still crash it into things without hurting it.
[2570.32] Curry: But they weren't the full ducts.
[2571.32] Curry: So it was just...
[2572.32] Curry: And you could convert it to a proper non-protected one
[2576.32] Curry: if you wanted to, which is quite cool.
[2578.32] Stephen: Are they still using the same duct material
[2581.32] Stephen: or have they kind of improved things
[2582.32] Stephen: to make them a bit more bendy and robust?
[2585.32] Curry: This stuff feels quite hard.
[2587.32] Curry: I'm not sure what it is.
[2589.32] Curry: They haven't gone with the normal sort of surrounds
[2592.32] Curry: of more foamy stuff.
[2596.32] Curry: It's not TPU. It's not that flexible.
[2599.32] Curry: It's...
[2601.32] Curry: Is it written on it somewhere?
[2602.32] Curry: No.
[2603.32] Curry: It's probably available somewhere.
[2605.32] Curry: But the idea is they don't sort of think about
[2608.32] Curry: crashing into people so it's not foamed.
[2611.32] Curry: And so that's, I think, a little bit better.
[2613.32] Curry: There's less duct, I think.
[2615.32] Curry: I think there's going to be less resistance
[2617.32] Curry: flying this one than the normal one.
[2619.32] Curry: But as far as freestyle goes,
[2621.32] Curry: because it's such a big area,
[2623.32] Curry: I think it's still going to be weird
[2624.32] Curry: to sort of roll around and put in a dive and stuff.
[2626.32] Curry: It's probably still going to get a little bit jiggly
[2628.32] Curry: coming down out of a dive and stuff.
[2630.32] Curry: But we'll see.
[2631.32] Curry: If it ever stops raining,
[2633.32] Curry: I'll go out and fly it along with the other
[2635.32] Curry: three models I've built over the last week
[2638.32] Curry: because I've just been happily soldering away here
[2641.32] Curry: trying to get my stuff done
[2642.32] Curry: while I've not been out doing anything.
[2645.32] Curry: What receiver's it?
[2648.32] Curry: It's an XM+.
[2650.32] Curry: It just came with that one.
[2652.32] Curry: I also would have asked for something like
[2654.32] Curry: an ERS or a crossfire or something.
[2657.32] Curry: But that'll do the job.
[2659.32] Curry: Hopefully, it's on the version 1.something firmware
[2662.32] Curry: else I'm going to have to re-flash it or something annoying.
[2666.32] Stephen: Oh, we're still fighting that battle with F R Sky then,
[2670.32] Stephen: like version 1, version 2, version 2.1.
[2674.32] Stephen: Pretty much.
[2675.32] Jack: And then we can't get receivers
[2677.32] Jack: and we expect a receptor
[2680.32] Jack: and Radio Master getting told off.
[2683.32] Stephen: I did buy a bunch of Jumper F R Sky receivers
[2686.32] Stephen: and they were quite good.
[2687.32] Stephen: And then I just got annoyed with F R Sky full stop
[2690.32] Stephen: and just ditched the protocol.
[2693.32] Curry: Oh, yeah. Thank you, Richard Warrock.
[2694.32] Curry: Richard Warrock is reminding me about the thing
[2696.32] Curry: I couldn't remember,
[2697.32] Curry: which is the Sector 132 and Sector 150,
[2699.32] Curry: which was the previous quarter I was trying to talk about,
[2702.32] Curry: which could have the ducks, but not ducks.
[2704.32] Curry: They're just big sort of surrounds that could bounce off stuff
[2707.32] Curry: and not, if you wanted to.
[2713.32] Frank: The other thing, while we were talking about radios,
[2716.32] Frank: there was a load of stuff I saw you put in, Stephen, about Edge TX.
[2721.32] Stephen: Oh, right. Yeah.
[2724.32] Stephen: Give me just a minute because there is a graphic involved here.
[2727.32] Stephen: Graphic, which I should probably show.
[2729.32] Stephen: So there was a call to people to get involved
[2733.32] Stephen: and there was a roadmap here.
[2736.32] Stephen: Give me a second here.
[2737.32] Stephen: Unprofessional.
[2739.32] Stephen: They wanted to get volunteers involved as well,
[2742.32] Stephen: saying you don't just need to be a coder,
[2744.32] Stephen: but they also want testers, logo designers, web designers.
[2748.32] Stephen: Maybe if I can put this thing out here.
[2753.32] Stephen: Full screen this.
[2755.32] Stephen: Hit the magic button.
[2757.32] Stephen: Oh, my word. Do we believe it?
[2759.32] Stephen: It's not easy.
[2761.32] Stephen: Yeah. Heads up.
[2762.32] Stephen: Heads up next time, guys.
[2765.32] Jack: It's only one hour.
[2768.32] Jack: Yeah.
[2770.32] Jack: Fourteen and a half minutes of the show left.
[2773.32] Jack: Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
[2776.32] Jack: Right.
[2777.32] Stephen: So, monkeys.
[2780.32] Stephen: So let's just zoom this up.
[2782.32] Stephen: So they've actually produced a handy dandy graphic.
[2784.32] Stephen: Apologies for audio listeners,
[2786.32] Stephen: but right now we're on this Dauntless release
[2788.32] Stephen: and they're up to RC2 of Dauntless.
[2791.32] Stephen: So they've effectively released edgetex 2.4.
[2794.32] Stephen: That's history now.
[2795.32] Stephen: And the next release 2.5 comes with the addition
[2799.32] Stephen: of customizable color schemes and themes.
[2802.32] Stephen: A lower touch API.
[2804.32] Stephen: They're moving the core of it
[2806.32] Stephen: from their own kind of custom code base onto a free RTOS,
[2810.32] Stephen: which is apparently just going to mean it's much more extendable
[2813.32] Stephen: and easier to maintain.
[2815.32] Stephen: They're rewriting the ADC stuff.
[2818.32] Stephen: Foreign language builds are being improved as well.
[2822.32] Stephen: They're adding the FlySky Nirvana NV14 at last,
[2827.32] Stephen: but only the external module.
[2830.32] Stephen: There's going to be a touch keyboard for entering data as well.
[2834.32] Stephen: So that's by the sound of it going to come out quite soon
[2837.32] Stephen: because we're up to RC2
[2838.32] Stephen: and I think they're doing about a release candidate a week so far.
[2841.32] Stephen: So they're making good progress.
[2843.32] Stephen: After that, they've got details of what they want to put into 2.6
[2847.32] Stephen: and the big thing there is the rewrite of the configuration scheme
[2850.32] Stephen: where they want to move away from this kind of companion only thing
[2854.32] Stephen: to using companion to actually write a config file.
[2858.32] Stephen: So I think I mentioned this before,
[2860.32] Stephen: but the behind the scenes detail right now is your radio program memory
[2865.32] Stephen: is serialized and just dumped like the entire memory
[2868.32] Stephen: and that is your config file, which is not human readable
[2871.32] Stephen: and it's not something you can easily look at.
[2873.32] Stephen: You need companion.
[2874.32] Stephen: So if we go to YAML files, it's just going to be human readable config.
[2878.32] Stephen: Lovely jubbly, very easy.
[2880.32] Stephen: They're bringing in Maflinx support there as well.
[2883.32] Stephen: TBS Tango 2 and the TBS Mambo will arrive.
[2887.32] Stephen: They're going to improve the FlySky Nirvana NV14.
[2893.32] Stephen: There's a few other bits and bobs I don't really know too much about.
[2896.32] Stephen: After that, it gets very fuzzy,
[2898.32] Stephen: but they're making some good progress, which is good.
[2900.32] Stephen: So I think a lot of people worried this might be a flash in the pan
[2902.32] Stephen: and go nowhere.
[2904.32] Stephen: The project seems to have some legs.
[2906.32] Stephen: So good on them is all I can say and well done.
[2911.6] Jack: I love how Christmas edition.
[2915.6] Stephen: Yeah.
[2916.6] Stephen: They've got Autumn Equinox, Winter Solstice,
[2919.6] Stephen: Spring Equinox and Summer Solstice.
[2922.6] Stephen: A very pagan sort of affectation, which is interesting to see
[2926.6] Stephen: instead of Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4,
[2928.6] Stephen: which is always a little bit boring in business life.
[2931.6] Curry: It's pagan in one way,
[2933.6] Curry: and then they've put the word Christmas in on the other,
[2935.6] Curry: which is a bit.
[2936.6] Curry: And then they've got Doubtless, which comes from...
[2938.6] Curry: It's Christmas and Winter Solstice.
[2940.6] Frank: Sorry.
[2942.6] Curry: That series of films, which I can't remember.
[2945.6] Frank: So to try and kind of decrypt some of these phrases
[2951.6] Frank: into something I might understand,
[2954.6] Frank: does Lua Touch API,
[2958.6] Frank: does that just mean touchscreen support?
[2960.6] Frank: Is that what that means?
[2961.6] Stephen: Yeah, touchscreen support for your Lua scripts
[2964.6] Stephen: because a lot of these radios now,
[2967.6] Stephen: a lot of people weren't really fans of the jog dials, buttons,
[2971.6] Stephen: and every radio did it differently,
[2973.6] Stephen: which was not fun moving between even variants of the kind of
[2977.6] Stephen: TX16 to T16 to TX18, whatever.
[2981.6] Stephen: They all had wheels and buttons in different places.
[2983.6] Stephen: The touch interfaces, I think,
[2985.6] Stephen: are a lot more intuitive for people who are new to the hobby,
[2988.6] Stephen: and that's going to now work for Lua,
[2990.6] Stephen: as well as the main system menus,
[2992.6] Stephen: because obviously the Lua scripts are completely outside of Edge TX,
[2997.6] Stephen: and they were just relying on the keys,
[2999.6] Stephen: even though the system was able to be configured using touch.
[3002.6] Curry: I have to say, Bruce was not a fan of the idea of the touchscreen.
[3008.98] Curry: He complained that when somebody had it,
[3012.98] Curry: he had to go off under a tree and try and look at the color screen
[3015.98] Curry: in order to try and figure out what was going on
[3018.98] Curry: and give them one screen any day, and that was much better.
[3021.98] Curry: How was the TX16 in the light? Is it usable under sunlight?
[3026.98] Stephen: I don't have one. I don't have one.
[3029.98] Stephen: I can see it being easier for text entry.
[3032.98] Stephen: Yeah, I'm using a T-light, so I've got the little postage stamp screen.
[3039.64] Frank: I've got the TX16, but it hasn't been sunny enough since I've had it.
[3043.64] Frank: We don't have this problem in England.
[3046.64] Curry: In fact, we use it to light our way.
[3050.64] Frank: I think it's not been the problem.
[3053.64] Frank: But what was the other thing on here?
[3056.64] Frank: I thought I might actually understand what's going on.
[3058.64] Frank: Mavlink support.
[3060.64] Frank: I've heard of Mavlink while going through all the autopilot stuff
[3064.64] Frank: as a protocol for telemetry, right?
[3069.64] Curry: You can use it for command and control as well, can't you?
[3077.64] Stephen: I think it sounds like a faulty way to telemetry link.
[3080.64] Curry: Yeah, so you can completely fly a model with Mavlink if you want to
[3084.64] Curry: and get telemetry back at the same time.
[3086.64] Stephen: So you can do your course plotting on the ground while the model's in the air
[3090.64] Stephen: and you can upload a mission via Mavlink to a model that's already flying.
[3096.64] Frank: So all the pressing the buttons on mission planner in autopilot
[3101.64] Frank: going like, go to this waypoint or go to waypoint mode.
[3105.64] Frank: That'll be a thing that you can do on your radio, on your touch screen.
[3109.64] Frank: You can just be like drawing GPS courses and getting it flying around.
[3114.64] Stephen: I have wondered how long it's going to be
[3116.64] Stephen: before someone does a decent job of uploading maps onto a radio.
[3119.64] Stephen: I think you can kind of hack it and upload some image files
[3122.64] Stephen: and sort of make it work, but it would be really neat to have full maps.
[3126.64] Stephen: Although at that point, I think you might as well just have like Bluetooth
[3129.64] Stephen: to a tablet or something like that and just use something that's got a proper screen
[3132.64] Stephen: rather than a tiny screen.
[3133.64] Frank: I mean, that's always been my kind of ideal situation.
[3136.64] Frank: Just let my radio be a radio with like a couple of gimbals and a few switches
[3142.64] Frank: and do all the configuration on my phone.
[3144.64] Frank: That would be much better.
[3146.64] Frank: My phone is always going to be a better screen with better connectivity
[3151.64] Frank: and battery and all of that than I want to pay for on a radio.
[3158.64] Stephen: I do agree.
[3160.64] Stephen: I do agree.
[3161.64] Stephen: We should be able to get a Bluetooth link from the radio to the phone
[3164.64] Stephen: and it's going to be much easier to do your typing and things.
[3167.64] Stephen: Although I think touch keyboard could be helpful on the radio.
[3171.64] Frank: Yeah, I can see that being good.
[3174.64] Stephen: Well, it's going to be experimental.
[3176.64] Stephen: So who knows what they're going to come up with for 2.7 and 2.8.
[3180.64] Stephen: At least they're going to cover all the recently released radios,
[3183.64] Stephen: which are still sort of waiting.
[3185.64] Stephen: How long did that Nirvana wait for OpenTX support?
[3188.64] Stephen: It was a long old time, wasn't it?
[3191.64] Curry: It's quite interesting because one of the things that's running right now
[3195.64] Curry: on the Mambo is FreedomTX because the stuff they want hasn't got into OpenTX yet
[3200.64] Curry: and it's going to be interesting to see if Edge gets it to get there
[3204.64] Curry: because of course this is limited to 250 hertz, as I found out.
[3208.64] Curry: Although it came up saying I'm running 500 hertz.
[3211.64] Curry: When I had a chat with a Discord, they're like, no, it does 250, so I said it out.
[3216.64] Stephen: Yeah, so does my deviation radio.
[3219.64] Stephen: It says it runs 500 hertz, but it's only actually getting the stick commands at 250 hertz.
[3224.64] Curry: Yeah, it was confusing. It's like it says it in the OSD.
[3227.64] Curry: Look, it's saying LQ7100.
[3230.64] Curry: It's like, no, that's not it, right? It said it's 250.
[3233.64] Stephen: Yeah, it's interesting that the people have a lot of patience for FreedomTX
[3239.4] Stephen: and they're quite happy.
[3240.4] Stephen: FreedomTX, wonderful. It's got a catchy name.
[3243.4] Stephen: But when Jumper or someone releases their one-off builds for their radios,
[3246.4] Stephen: they're like, why haven't we got OpenTX support? This is outrageous.
[3252.4] Stephen: Funny bunch.
[3253.4] Frank: The other thing I would like to see on radio technology
[3257.4] Frank: and complaining about all the PWM stuff,
[3260.4] Frank: but if there was servos that weren't PWM,
[3264.4] Frank: if we had the equivalent of 32-bit servos
[3267.4] Frank: and bidirectional servos, that'd be great.
[3270.4] Frank: I love that.
[3272.4] Stephen: I actually have kind of an ESC built into the servos.
[3276.4] Stephen: You've got digital communication with it, you mean?
[3278.4] Frank: I mean, because you get digital servos, but they're still, you're feeding in generally,
[3282.4] Frank: feeding in PWM, and then it's decoding that,
[3286.4] Frank: and then it's doing stuff with its internal loops separately.
[3291.4] Frank: But if it forgot that, I mean, you can get SBUS servos,
[3295.4] Frank: but if we had something a bit more sensible that could like...
[3298.4] Frank: A bit more precise.
[3299.4] Frank: ...feedback and be like, this servo is fully talked out.
[3305.4] Frank: It's saturated.
[3307.4] Frank: I'm sure that could be useful.
[3310.4] Frank: It could be very useful.
[3312.4] Frank: Yeah, and then you could get force feedback at some point, maybe.
[3316.4] Stephen: The servo could tell you how long it was taking to reach a position,
[3319.4] Stephen: and you could account for that in your flight controller.
[3321.4] Stephen: If there was some servo lag,
[3323.4] Stephen: you could actually account for it in the flight controller.
[3326.4] Frank: Yeah, if it was a bit like...
[3327.4] Frank: It could feed back all sorts of times.
[3329.4] Frank: It could feed back the angle that it is actually at,
[3332.4] Frank: as well as the set point,
[3333.4] Frank: and it could feed back the current that it was using,
[3337.4] Frank: i.e. the torque that it was having to do to get that,
[3341.4] Frank: and whether it's completely...
[3344.4] Frank: whether the voltage is dropping, that it's receiving...
[3348.4] Frank: There's loads of interesting stuff that you could get out of that
[3350.4] Frank: if you had another tiny little chip on there
[3353.4] Frank: that was communicating back as well.
[3356.4] Curry: That sounds like expensive servos, though.
[3358.4] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, I was about to say,
[3359.4] Stephen: but if you looked at expensive robotic shops,
[3361.4] Stephen: you could find servos that do that.
[3362.4] Stephen: If you're willing to pay 120, 130 quid for servo.
[3366.4] Stephen: So I started to look at the world of servos being a quad guy
[3369.4] Stephen: who's never looked for servos before.
[3371.4] Stephen: I bought two servos before I bought one that's the right size.
[3375.4] Stephen: That's much of a noob I am.
[3377.4] Stephen: And I noticed you can spend three quid for servo,
[3381.4] Stephen: and you can also spend 130 pounds for servo.
[3384.4] Stephen: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3385.4] Stephen: Oh, no, no, no.
[3386.4] Stephen: Essentially look the same.
[3387.4] Jack: No, me and Frank went to a...
[3391.4] Jack: You know, like, you remember the drone exhibits,
[3397.4] Jack: like the Excel Center and you had...
[3400.4] Jack: What were they called?
[3401.4] Jack: Like the UAV something?
[3405.4] Jack: And like, you know, the military...
[3407.4] Jack: UAV Expo, yeah.
[3408.4] Jack: Yeah, UAV Expo.
[3410.4] Jack: We went there and holy Christ,
[3413.4] Jack: if you thought you knew what a servo was, you didn't.
[3417.4] Jack: I've got like a free pencil from the company
[3420.4] Jack: and that's...
[3421.4] Jack: They gave me the pencil and hoped I would go away
[3424.4] Jack: because they had like 300 pound servos,
[3429.4] Jack: like all outside aluminium,
[3432.4] Jack: like stepper motoring kind of, you know,
[3435.4] Jack: position sort of feedback and precision and like,
[3440.4] Jack: you know, like life expectancy and weight was unbelievable.
[3445.4] Jack: I mean, they were sending one that could lift half a Frank.
[3448.4] Jack: You can't Frank it off.
[3450.4] Stephen: This is when you need a servo to like jack up your car
[3454.4] Stephen: to change the wheel or something.
[3456.4] Jack: These are servos to like release bombs off aircraft
[3459.4] Jack: or something, you know.
[3461.4] Curry: These are probably the ones... Did you ever watch that program
[3464.4] Curry: about where they deliberately crashed like a jet
[3467.4] Curry: to see what would happen?
[3469.4] Curry: Yeah, that was good.
[3470.4] Curry: And they had what just looked like a massive metal box
[3473.4] Curry: which would basically steer the plane
[3475.4] Curry: and they had some guy following it on a helicopter
[3478.4] Curry: with I think some horrible spectra or something
[3481.4] Curry: flying the 747 or whatever it was that way.
[3483.4] Curry: But, you know, at least he had to crash it
[3485.4] Curry: and he did that bit okay.
[3488.4] Curry: Any of us could have crashed that plane.
[3490.4] Frank: I don't see why a servo that has some amount
[3493.4] Frank: of like cleverness in it like that
[3495.4] Frank: would have to be that much more expensive
[3497.4] Frank: than like a 32-bit ESC.
[3500.4] Stephen: It's just the supply and demand really, isn't it?
[3503.4] Stephen: Like they haven't got that many people.
[3505.4] Stephen: Have you seen how many people fly fixed wing?
[3509.4] Stephen: Yeah, good.
[3510.4] Stephen: How many people are prepared to pay for that feature set?
[3514.4] Stephen: You've got to have people that are prepared to buy it, right?
[3516.4] Stephen: It's like why is DJI expensive?
[3518.4] Stephen: Why doesn't everyone run DJI?
[3520.4] Stephen: Well, it's expensive because few people want to buy it
[3523.4] Stephen: if they somehow managed to crack it and make it.
[3527.4] Stephen: So, say DJI had no proprietary tech in there.
[3530.4] Stephen: It was just like a camera and everyone figured out how it worked
[3534.4] Stephen: but it still cost a lot.
[3536.4] Frank: If you were looking at Connex, for example.
[3538.4] Stephen: Yeah, like you need people to buy into it
[3540.4] Stephen: and push the price down.
[3542.4] Stephen: And if people can fly their planes on five pound servos,
[3546.4] Stephen: why would they pay more?
[3548.4] Curry: That's rich for a servos.
[3550.4] Curry: After planes behind me are at 199 servos
[3553.4] Curry: and they seem to have done five.
[3555.4] Stephen: Right, so, yeah.
[3556.4] Stephen: So, people are perfectly happy with their Tesco value servos
[3560.4] Stephen: rather than anything that's a bit punchier.
[3564.81] Stephen: If you could convince people to go for it, they would, I'm sure.
[3566.81] Stephen: I mean, no one's buying the old original BL Heli
[3569.81] Stephen: or Simon K ESCs anymore, are they?
[3572.81] Stephen: They've moved on from that.
[3575.81] Jack: I'm sure some people are.
[3577.81] Frank: I guess all the fixed-wing guys are still using their plush ESCs.
[3582.81] Frank: 30 amp plush ESCs.
[3585.81] Curry: There's one on the Bixler there.
[3587.81] Curry: Yeah.
[3588.81] Stephen: Part of the problem.
[3590.81] Curry: Part of the problem.
[3592.81] Frank: It's not broken, don't fix it.
[3595.81] Frank: Thinking of the fixed-wing people, the socks and sandals now.
[3601.81] Frank: There's a Survey Monkey survey that they've been sharing around
[3607.81] Frank: asking for feedback on the bylaws on Dartmoor
[3613.81] Frank: because they're looking to ban any form of model aircraft and drones
[3617.81] Frank: or, you know, one of the proposed bylaws
[3619.81] Frank: would ban any model aircraft or drones on Dartmoor.
[3624.81] Frank: And there's like model gliding clubs on Dartmoor
[3628.81] Frank: that are not very happy around that.
[3630.81] Frank: They're sharing it.
[3632.81] Frank: But I've put it in the LDO Discord
[3635.81] Frank: if anyone is interested in feeding back on that.
[3640.06] Stephen: Oh, that's good to know.
[3641.06] Stephen: I did wonder if that link was only for residents of Dartmoor
[3644.06] Stephen: when I saw it.
[3645.06] Stephen: I was confused as to what the implication was.
[3647.06] Frank: They do ask, you know, are you a visitor?
[3650.06] Frank: Are you a local?
[3651.06] Frank: Are you a business?
[3653.06] Frank: Are you a member of any relevant organizations?
[3657.06] Frank: So, you know, if you're BMFA or FPV UK,
[3660.06] Frank: you might as well put that on there that you're a member.
[3663.06] Frank: Even if you're not necessarily representative,
[3665.06] Frank: you can be a member of one of those organizations.
[3668.06] Stephen: What would be a persuasive argument to soothe their ears?
[3671.06] Stephen: What should people be telling?
[3673.06] Curry: The only reason I would come to the Dartmoor area
[3675.06] Curry: is to fly my drone slash plane slash model glider
[3678.06] Curry: and frequent local businesses while doing so.
[3682.06] Frank: I don't think they're really about local businesses, are they?
[3686.06] Frank: I mean, my argument would be they're having to update the rules.
[3692.06] Frank: Well, the CAA and the general rules are now published
[3697.06] Frank: and, you know, out there, and they're going to be updated
[3701.06] Frank: and more closely scrutinized and kept up to date
[3706.06] Frank: better than Dartmoor local bylaws.
[3709.06] Frank: And they're going to be better publicized
[3711.06] Frank: and better understood by model people or drone people.
[3715.06] Frank: So just leave it up to them.
[3718.06] Frank: Just go for those.
[3720.06] Frank: Just don't have anything specific.
[3722.06] Frank: Just be like, there's other laws covering that.
[3725.06] Frank: We don't need to.
[3727.06] Frank: That would be my argument.
[3729.06] Stephen: Excellent. Yeah.
[3730.06] Stephen: I don't think we need more laws when the country already has laws in place
[3734.06] Stephen: to stop reckless and dangerous behavior.
[3736.06] Stephen: Exactly.
[3737.06] Jack: Right. Anyway, on that note, you've been listening to Let's Drone Now
[3741.06] Jack: and we are massively thankful for all our Patreons
[3750.06] Jack: who support this show and keep it going as it slowly dies
[3756.06] Jack: and it's dementia.
[3760.06] Jack: Speak for yourself.
[3762.06] Jack: You've been joined by Stephen.
[3764.06] Jack: Hello.
[3765.06] Jack: Everyone's favorite, Cogen.
[3767.06] Jack: Goodbye.
[3768.06] Jack: A Lord and Master Frank.
[3770.06] Frank: Bye.
[3771.06] Jack: And I've been jacked for until I fly.
[3774.06] Jack: Don't forget.
[3775.06] Frank: There's also, as Clive has just posted in there,
[3779.06] Frank: the link ifpv.co.uk slash events slash 184 is the link for the sign up
[3784.06] Frank: for the first UK X-Class race.
[3788.06] Frank: And they're also doing some OSIN spec wing racing,
[3793.06] Frank: which I haven't actually got my head around what that means.
[3796.06] Frank: Where will it be?
[3797.06] Frank: Where will it be?
[3798.06] Frank: It will be at Popham Airfield.
[3801.06] Frank: It was going to be at Northolt and then they needed more space
[3806.06] Frank: and Popham has more space.
[3809.06] Frank: So they're going to be at Popham on the 16th of October.
[3814.06] Jack: How cold do you reckon that's going to be?
[3816.06] Frank: I'm going to pack gloves.
[3820.06] Jack: Okay.
[3821.06] Jack: All right.
[3822.06] Jack: Don't forget, guys, we're going to be over on Patreon
[3827.06] Jack: and we're going to do a bonus catch up talking show
[3831.06] Jack: and invite some of my friends.
[3833.06] Curry: Is that free to come along and watch?
[3835.06] Curry: Sorry, I'm interrupting Jack on the outro,
[3837.06] Curry: but just for people that might want to watch,
[3839.06] Curry: I can see there's an entry fee.
[3841.06] Jack: There's a $3.
[3848.06] Jack: Is it $3?
[3849.06] Curry: If your name is locked down, you're not coming in.
[3851.06] Curry: Why are we using American money?
[3852.06] Curry: Why is it $3?
[3853.06] Curry: I don't know.
[3854.06] Curry: That's how it was set up.
[3856.06] Frank: I think we're talking about different things at the moment.
[3859.06] Frank: I think we've got four different conversations going on.
[3862.06] Frank: Awesome.
[3865.06] Curry: I was talking about the inside FPV thing at Popham.
[3869.06] Curry: Is it like a free thing for people that want to go along and watch?
[3873.06] Stephen: Why are they charging people $3?
[3875.06] Curry: Yeah.
[3876.06] Jack: No.
[3877.06] Jack: The $3 is our thing.
[3879.06] Jack: God damn it.
[3880.06] Jack: We have got dementia.
[3883.06] Jack: All right.
[3884.06] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Throw Now.
[3885.06] Jack: Thank you.
[3886.06] Frank: Good night.
[3887.06] Curry: Bye.
[3888.06] Curry: Telemetry lost.