=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 326 ===
Title: LDO 326 - An LDO Production
Recorded: 2021-11-25
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,332
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_365FsNpLVk); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1167383908-letsdroneout-ldo-326-an-ldo-production.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to Carlos Campos, Art Faulkner, Sam Dahmer, Mikey Dredd, on with the show.
[22.92] Jack: Hello, and welcome back to Let's Drone Out, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[58.93] Jack: Tonight, we are joined by, it made a good little giggle, tonight you're joined by Andrew
[68.17] Jack: S. Frank.
[69.17] Frank: Good evening.
[70.17] Jack: I'm Bright Until I Fly, hello, and everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[76.61] Curry: Hello, we're on Let's Drone Out, by the way.
[82.09] Jack: My tired, darling wife, Tony, and Bellrick, Stephen.
[89.93] Stephen: Hello, and welcome to Let's Drone Out, on Let's Drone Out, with Let's Drone Out.
[101.21] Jack: We were waiting around for Stephen and a curry kitten held up the bone drone.
[105.89] Jack: Do you want to tell us what happened?
[108.49] Jack: Other than...
[110.25] Jack: Do you think the bone drone...
[111.25] Tony: Who thought that was a good idea?
[113.81] Curry: I don't know.
[114.81] Curry: I agreed to review it on the basis that it looked stupid, and that made me interested
[119.33] Curry: in it.
[120.33] Curry: I can't think of a proper thing.
[122.53] Curry: People will say, oh, so you can fit through tiny gaps, but you're obviously having yet
[126.85] Curry: other things.
[127.85] Curry: I thought, as you guys did, that the big deal would be on roll, because the two motors are
[135.73] Curry: so close together.
[136.73] Curry: It wasn't a problem.
[137.73] Curry: As you'd expect, the pitch was very good.
[140.65] Curry: The roll was actually fairly normal.
[143.17] Curry: The problem I had is, when I did a coordinated turn, I'd you're in, and I'd sort of turn.
[152.21] Curry: This would make the gyro think something was up.
[155.77] Curry: So I'm going around a turn, and suddenly it goes 100% throttle and shoots upwards, for
[160.73] Curry: some reason.
[161.73] Jack: Oh, your jump prevention back in the day, do you remember that?
[168.61] Jack: Yeah, there's a setting in the GUI, your jump prevention, that you can turn up.
[174.13] Jack: Tony, do you remember back in the day, remember when Fossil released the show drone?
[181.61] Jack: And do you remember, we were just about leaving, and Banton got his out, and when he yawned,
[187.53] Jack: it would jump in the air?
[189.53] Jack: Yeah, your jump prevention.
[191.97] Jack: I think it's cool.
[192.97] Tony: I'll bet it'd be good now, with the software and the stuff.
[195.85] Jack: What's the name of that one?
[198.45] Frank: That Fossil stuff, sideways thing, because it was like a slightly F1 body, made out of
[212.93] Frank: a few layers of the Fossil stuff with VP, right?
[217.25] Frank: And then at the front and the back, it had a couple of round carbon tubes, and then it
[224.69] Frank: could have the motors tilted quite a bit.
[230.37] Frank: Was it a type of Revo, or was the Revo just all something else?
[234.61] Frank: No, something else.
[235.61] Tony: It was named after a star or something spicy.
[239.97] Stephen: This could just be a tuning thing, then, by the sound.
[242.89] Stephen: Yeah.
[243.89] Stephen: Your jump prevention limit.
[244.89] Stephen: It could just be a tuning thing.
[245.89] Stephen: It's being replaced by your D, D-game.
[247.89] Curry: Oh, well, I can just...
[250.17] Curry: What do you think it is, you know?
[251.17] Curry: One of the problems with this thing is it didn't come with any particular instructions
[255.33] Curry: about what you might need to do, so I thought, oh, I'll just try it as is and see what happens.
[260.41] Curry: And it was actually flying around okay until you turn it, and then it tended to go up in
[263.89] Curry: the air very fast.
[265.25] Curry: The biggest problem I had is I was using a stack which has this XM Plus on it, and so
[270.37] Curry: I thought, oh, I'll just do that.
[272.05] Curry: And I've been using Express RS for the last bunch of builds, and I sort of take signal
[278.93] Curry: for granted these days, and I'm just flying along on this, and twice I just got RX loss,
[285.57] Curry: and this thing just went thud.
[288.53] Curry: So I never really tested the landing because it just fell on the floor.
[292.61] Curry: But this...
[293.61] Curry: Actually, the second time it fell on the floor, it didn't do any damage, but the first time
[296.09] Curry: it broke some props, after it fell safe twice, and it's going slightly crazy on the turns,
[301.53] Curry: I thought, I won't do any more.
[303.29] Curry: I'll go back and replace the receiver before I do anything else.
[307.89] Curry: But aside from that, it's a bit of an interesting novelty, but I can't think, oh yeah, I really
[311.85] Curry: need something like that instead of a regular quad, because it doesn't make any particular
[315.73] Curry: sense.
[316.73] Stephen: Where would you fly it?
[317.73] Stephen: Really small dates, like you want to fly woodkates with a five inch for reasons that you can't
[322.13] Stephen: really explain to anyone.
[323.53] Curry: Yeah.
[324.53] Curry: It's also weird as well to have, looking through the camera, have the prop there.
[328.81] Curry: I mean, people that fly a sort of an X Plus would be used to that.
[333.97] Curry: If you're used to your arms like that, it's very weird to see a prop right in front of
[339.13] Curry: you.
[340.13] Curry: You're like, what am I looking at here?
[341.13] Curry: Because it doesn't...
[342.13] Stephen: You keep thinking something's come loose and your camera's skewed round, doesn't it?
[345.13] Curry: Yeah, it's fine.
[346.13] Curry: I'm at a peculiar angle.
[347.53] Curry: The other really stupid thing, why you wouldn't want to do it, is launching.
[352.53] Curry: In a banger video, some idiot holds it like that, starts the props up and sort of lets
[359.33] Curry: go.
[360.33] Curry: Get the intern to hold it, and you want each week.
[362.45] Curry: I value my fingers more.
[363.93] Curry: So I sort of, I had this balancing on another matry in the field like this, going sort of
[369.21] Curry: upwards like that.
[370.21] Curry: But it's, yeah, it's curious.
[372.13] Curry: It's kind of fun.
[373.13] Stephen: How did you manage to build it because the pictures on the site look like it had about
[377.93] Stephen: half an inch of room in the canopy for all of the components?
[381.45] Curry: Yeah, I think I showed you guys the problem I was having.
[386.41] Curry: I've got, there's the stack here.
[388.77] Curry: And normally, what I've done is basically put a standoff there, because I had to raise
[392.89] Curry: my stack up.
[394.69] Curry: The picture literally just had a single board, this sort of all-in-one board.
[399.01] Curry: I've built mine with standoffs, basically, to raise it above.
[401.89] Curry: And it's not a big stack there, but yeah, a regular stack just needs a bit of a standoff.
[408.21] Curry: Yeah, it's a novelty, interesting kind of funny build, but I don't expect anybody to
[413.77] Curry: suddenly say, yes, that's what I'm looking for.
[416.77] Curry: I want to fly through very narrow corridors and nothing else.
[420.29] Stephen: I have real trouble tuning my quad, because it was all just too easy with this modern
[425.61] Stephen: beta flight version.
[426.61] Stephen: It's like a really awkward frame that forces us to go back five years and tuning.
[431.89] Curry: It wasn't interesting, because I'm in quite a narrow field.
[434.49] Curry: So when I was doing a turn, the first thing it did when it went full throttle is go over
[438.85] Curry: someone else's land.
[439.85] Curry: And I was like, eek, that's not good, why is it going?
[443.49] Curry: Especially with the fact it kept losing signal and dropping down.
[445.69] Curry: That was a bit frightening, but I'll put a different receiver on.
[450.57] Frank: I wonder how much of it, of your kind of throttle in the corners issue, might be from, because
[458.85] Frank: when it's when it's yawing, like the yaw moment doesn't really matter that it's off plane
[465.53] Frank: just from inertia.
[466.53] Frank: But aerodynamically, you've got the interaction between the top propeller that's on one side
[473.57] Frank: and the bottom propeller that's on the other side, going the other way around.
[476.37] Frank: I wonder whether there's kind of, yeah, sort of prop wash from one, from your right motor
[481.65] Frank: to your left motor, or vice versa, right at the back, I guess, that's going to cause more
[486.69] Frank: change.
[487.69] Curry: It certainly seems like something that triggers this weird chain reaction, which is basically
[491.13] Curry: saying something's knocked me off center, I need to increase my motor in order to right
[497.73] Curry: myself.
[498.73] Curry: And that has an opposite effect.
[500.41] Curry: And you just end up like full throttle, going crazy.
[504.05] Curry: I've had it before on other quads where I've literally turned air mode on, and it's gone
[508.25] Curry: because there was some slight imbalance, where by spinning up one motor, it's like, that's
[516.89] Curry: bad.
[517.89] Curry: I need to spin up the other motor to counteract and the other motor says I need to spin up
[520.25] Curry: the other motor and it just, it just goes out of control.
[524.01] Curry: Interesting.
[525.01] Curry: Yeah.
[526.01] Curry: But yeah, needs more room.
[528.29] Stephen: Yeah, I was going to say I have that all the time trenching lightweight stuff where it
[531.49] Stephen: just flies to the moon, you'd like bump the pits up and a little bit of vibration just
[536.05] Stephen: gets run away and got to be faster.
[538.73] Curry: There's nothing you want more than when it's six degrees outside, you've got a 16 mile
[542.97] Curry: an hour wind on your poor little fingers that are exposed.
[546.97] Curry: And the stupid quad is not doing what it tells you.
[549.57] Curry: And then you have to walk into the cow field to retrieve it.
[553.17] Curry: Fun times.
[554.17] Curry: You need some asterisk gloves.
[555.17] UNKNOWN: I do.
[556.33] Curry: I do.
[557.33] Curry: I watched last week's episode, I saw them.
[560.33] Tony: Or a puke.
[563.33] Tony: Puke pocket.
[565.33] Tony: Puke pocket.
[566.33] Frank: All that.
[567.33] Frank: Yeah.
[568.33] Frank: I think I've found the fossil stuff frame that we were talking about.
[574.05] Frank: I think this is it.
[575.53] Frank: The event horizon.
[576.53] Frank: I see it.
[577.53] Tony: Oh wow.
[578.53] Tony: I knew it was spicy.
[579.53] Frank: Looks like it's made of plumbing supplies.
[581.05] Stephen: That looks very full.
[582.05] Curry: It's very heavy, I have to say.
[583.85] Curry: It looks like you could break into a house with it.
[586.77] Stephen: Like jubilee clips holding the arms together.
[589.37] Stephen: What's going on there?
[590.37] Stephen: I don't know.
[591.37] Stephen: Like why are bands running on them?
[593.41] Curry: Oh yeah.
[594.41] Curry: It looks like if those are just like carbon fiber tubes, then is it something just like
[599.37] Curry: screwing the end of the arm?
[600.57] Jack: They were Delron and they were the, you know, the V-band with the clips that buy into them
[606.97] Jack: and squeeze them together.
[607.97] Jack: I can't remember what they were.
[608.97] Jack: Yeah, that's it.
[609.97] Jack: They're basically the things that hold CV boots together.
[615.21] Stephen: It's got a really good robot wars vibe.
[617.61] Tony: It does, isn't it?
[619.01] Tony: It was good to say that you could twist the props forward more.
[623.77] Tony: Because you didn't have to have it like that.
[626.73] Tony: You could literally...
[627.73] Stephen: Yeah, people used to think that was a good idea as well.
[629.37] Tony: That's angle the props and keep the camera flat.
[633.85] Tony: But Johnny Bandit flew really well when he got his going.
[639.13] Tony: But mine was just rubbish.
[641.81] Tony: I think I had little bees in there and it was back in them days.
[646.81] Jack: So if I had got it well, that's...
[649.01] Jack: No, he's mini F1 as well.
[651.73] Tony: Yeah, it was...
[652.73] Jack: With a right angle adapter on it.
[654.73] Jack: It was just absolute doggy.
[657.09] Frank: Probably like a 3S.
[659.09] Frank: I reckon now though.
[661.29] Frank: Chaos.
[662.29] Frank: Not even chaos.
[663.73] Frank: This is what I've been doing.
[665.73] Stephen: I'm one of those old single crash VTX antennas as well.
[670.97] Frank: But Jack still demands to use.
[674.97] Frank: What?
[675.97] Stephen: Well, I used them for a bit, but they are single crash antennas.
[679.85] Stephen: So I don't use them anymore.
[681.85] Jack: What, single crash what?
[683.01] Stephen: Just don't crash.
[684.65] Frank: Single crash VTX antennas with your little caps that we have to go hunting through the
[689.53] Frank: grass for.
[690.53] Frank: Oh yeah.
[691.53] Jack: Exactly those ones.
[692.77] Jack: Okay.
[694.77] Stephen: Very well.
[695.77] Stephen: Did you see the other RotoRiot thing they did on that?
[697.77] Stephen: Because they followed up that bone drone with the propellers on top and bottom with a comparison
[702.13] Stephen: of I think it was like a Y6 or an X8 versus the alternative.
[709.17] Stephen: Yeah, it was an X in it and eight motor in an X config versus eight motor in a full dispersed
[718.61] Stephen: or separated, not on top of each other config.
[722.13] Stephen: And they were showing it that when you put them in that stacked config, you get dramatically
[726.57] Stephen: less thrust.
[727.57] Stephen: Like they could lift something like only 60% of the weight that they could lift when they'd
[733.29] Stephen: actually spaced all the propellers out.
[735.45] Stephen: You get far less of a benefit from doubling up the motors when they're on top of each
[739.65] Stephen: other.
[740.65] Curry: It makes sense.
[741.65] Curry: I mean, you're overlapping everything.
[742.65] Curry: You're just creating turbulence and air that's already flowing.
[747.61] Frank: Yeah.
[748.97] Curry: But can you fly down a tiny corridor?
[753.65] Curry: No.
[756.57] Frank: Yeah, I mean, the kind of looking at the full scale stuff, the only time that you have like
[767.17] Frank: contour rotating propellers on the same engine or at least the same shaft is really when you've
[775.17] Frank: got too much engine for the propellers.
[777.77] Frank: Like if you're doing like some of the Reno races stuff where they've really souped up
[782.29] Frank: an engine and they've just got so much power that they just need somewhere else to put
[787.05] Frank: it.
[788.05] Frank: That's when they do something like that or where it's like the big turboprop like cargo
[796.69] Frank: planes where maybe they've done the same sort of thing where they've put on so much kind
[805.01] Frank: of big engine on a wing that you just can't fit in enough propellers.
[809.69] Frank: So you just you just put a couple on there and lose a load of efficiency.
[815.37] Stephen: So on a quad, if you haven't already gone to like five bladed props, you probably shouldn't
[819.33] Stephen: be double stacking your motors, is that what you're saying?
[823.41] Frank: Yeah, I think it's but it's really common in the kind of camera, you know, aerial photography
[830.85] Frank: type stuff, isn't it?
[833.01] Stephen: Well, they're carrying 20 grams worth of camera, so they probably just want to know that if
[837.09] Stephen: one propeller explodes, there's another one to stop it from flipping outside.
[840.45] Tony: Yeah, that's all they're worried about.
[842.65] Frank: But it means that they've got, you know, they're dependent on that one arm, right?
[847.41] Frank: I wonder how much extra kind of redundancy and I guess you've got the size thing then,
[853.93] Frank: haven't you?
[854.93] Frank: If you're going to have a full like eight arm, eight motor, oxicopter, then I guess
[864.01] Frank: that's going to end up quite a bit bigger for going through your doorways and whatever
[868.49] Frank: than X8.
[872.21] Frank: Maybe that's the kind of trade off that you're going to have there.
[875.17] Tony: That probably is why they do it, I should think.
[878.13] Stephen: Yeah, it seems to be a whole lot of people that's getting popularity as we're saying
[883.42] Stephen: the other week in Hollywood, a lot cheaper than a helicopter.
[888.82] Stephen: People are starting to fly them a bit indoors as well, so you see a lot of shots that start
[892.34] Stephen: outdoors and go indoors or vice versa.
[894.98] Stephen: I guess that they're using the rigs to do stuff like that with a big fancy red camera
[898.86] Stephen: on it.
[899.86] Stephen: I'm not sure we get one of those big altars through a doorway very easily, it'd be a bloody
[904.42] Stephen: big doorway, wouldn't it, but maybe the next eight.
[910.42] Frank: Speaking of cameras and filming and stuff, you've broken and fixed one recently, right
[917.66] Frank: Tony?
[918.66] Tony: Oh, just my little GoPro, seven.
[921.54] Tony: Yeah, look, I've still got the shattered glass.
[925.78] Tony: This is what I love about the seven, literally just twist the frontal.
[932.74] Jack: Yeah, five, six, seven, eight, they all do the same.
[937.14] Tony: And now you can't do it.
[939.38] Curry: What did a nine and ten do then?
[940.66] Curry: Because I thought you could change the lenses because they're heavier.
[943.66] Curry: They're heavier.
[944.66] Stephen: They've added reassuring heft.
[946.66] Tony: Yeah, you can do that max lens mod on the nine.
[950.3] Tony: Doesn't that involve taking the original lens out and putting a different one in?
[954.5] Tony: I'm presuming this is still waterproof.
[956.3] Tony: I mean, it's quite tight fit to get on and on, so.
[961.42] Stephen: Can you get just an aftermarket shell for the camera that gives you like a weight reduction
[965.82] Stephen: and replaceable lenses for the nine and ten?
[968.46] Stephen: Or are you stuck?
[970.46] Jack: I don't know.
[973.7] Jack: I haven't seen them or eight does not have an easy to remove lens.
[980.58] Stephen: We're up to nine or ten now, I can't remember what place it's from.
[983.38] Jack: Ten, yes.
[984.38] Jack: Ten, yeah.
[985.38] Jack: Yeah.
[986.38] Jack: Right, so many.
[987.38] Jack: What was I going to say?
[990.38] Jack: Have you seen the happy model ES-24 TX Pro?
[999.1] Jack: Does like a thousand milliwatt or one watt?
[1002.82] Jack: Yeah.
[1003.82] Stephen: Yeah, it's the one that they put the fan on it.
[1008.1] Jack: Is that all that I'm tempted to do the open LRS, but I want to build my own module.
[1015.62] Jack: Yeah, do it.
[1017.46] Jack: Can you help me?
[1018.46] Jack: Can you navigate me?
[1019.86] Stephen: Failsafe.
[1020.86] Stephen: We've got Failsafe on the chat there.
[1022.94] Stephen: I bought two modules from Failsafe and they've come out really well.
[1027.74] Stephen: So if you want anyone to ask how to do it, there's some.
[1031.3] Jack: No, yeah, like the BOM and you know, buy a PCB off someone, I don't know.
[1039.5] Jack: I think it'd be quite fun to do.
[1041.98] Jack: It was a delicate enough...
[1042.98] Stephen: I don't know if the children pronounce the Nim-noo.
[1045.98] Stephen: Nim-noo.
[1047.62] Stephen: I brought two, I don't know.
[1050.42] Stephen: The Nim-noo one does look good.
[1052.22] Stephen: They've just brought out a module that does everything the beta FPV one does, but apparently
[1058.9] Stephen: with forethought, with added forethought.
[1063.74] Stephen: So they've actually put the fan next to the elements that produce heat, for example.
[1068.7] Stephen: What?
[1069.7] Stephen: Which was agreed to be a universally sensible design choice.
[1073.66] Stephen: I already had a beta FPV when they put the fan as far away from the bit that was hot
[1076.62] Stephen: as possible on the other side of the board, in fact.
[1078.86] Curry: I already had a communication from beta FPV asking me to defend their position of the
[1085.22] Curry: fan.
[1086.22] Curry: They're saying, it doesn't matter, it's fine.
[1090.54] Curry: Well, they're saying it doesn't matter and I'm saying, I don't care and I don't think
[1096.06] Curry: their way of replying to a comment about their teardown is particularly professional when
[1102.78] Curry: just goes, this is s**t.
[1104.58] Curry: We meant to do this.
[1105.74] Curry: We did.
[1106.74] Curry: Honest.
[1107.74] Curry: Governor.
[1108.74] Stephen: I'm sure the fan helps.
[1109.74] Stephen: I mean, it's not doing nothing.
[1111.38] Stephen: It would just do a lot more if it was actually blowing on, if they put the components on
[1115.86] Stephen: the same side of the board where the moving air was, it would definitely work more effectively
[1120.38] Stephen: than cooling the back of the components through the PCB.
[1124.22] Stephen: Yes, it's sound.
[1126.22] Tony: Oh, zero.
[1127.22] Tony: Thank you, zero.
[1128.22] Stephen: But I mean, you say it's not really an issue because I never have to turn my module up
[1134.38] Stephen: above 100 milliwatt.
[1135.38] Stephen: I only put on 100 milliwatt if I'm doing something stupid with one of those EP2 and the ceramic
[1139.58] Stephen: antennas.
[1140.58] Stephen: I just, you know, flying miles on that and it's a crap antenna.
[1145.38] Stephen: Anything that's actually got one of those little immortal T-style antennas there.
[1148.74] Curry: It's true, everyone's very keen on getting, I must have one watt out of my module and
[1155.9] Curry: I've been unable to outfly 100 milliwatts.
[1160.62] Curry: Unless I use the as unreleased to FPV light radio 3, which runs at a range of about 800
[1168.54] Stephen: meters.
[1169.54] Stephen: I was thinking about upgrading my fleet before this weekend, but I've got probably about
[1174.34] Stephen: 10 receivers now on Express LRS.
[1177.3] Stephen: So I'm just going to wait until two is a little bit further along the RC thing.
[1183.46] Stephen: We've got three RCs out now, and I'm just going to hold fire.
[1187.3] Stephen: I think be a little bit more conservative and actually do some flying instead of constant
[1190.9] Stephen: upgrading.
[1191.9] Tony: That means going out in the cold and the wet the weekend.
[1195.98] Tony: Yeah.
[1196.98] Stephen: It's been really dry, though.
[1198.5] Stephen: That's something.
[1199.5] Tony: It's freezing cold.
[1200.58] Tony: It's been a great November, but I think tomorrow we're starting with a bit of rain.
[1205.42] Curry: It's not looking good tomorrow.
[1207.42] Jack: Have you guys seen the new Speedy B pup pay it forward?
[1211.82] Jack: Bardoy was talking about it.
[1214.54] Jack: You get a box of old stuff together, and then post it to different people and tell you stuff
[1221.34] Jack: that you want out and you put stuff, it's an honor system, you put stuff in that you
[1228.46] Jack: don't want and you pay it forward.
[1231.82] Stephen: It sounds like a lot to shift the old bits of oily metal gears and things that you receive
[1237.1] Stephen: from Frank.
[1238.1] Stephen: Yeah.
[1239.1] Stephen: That's the idea.
[1240.1] Curry: Thanks for the strange wheels from Frank.
[1248.42] Curry: Can I just put the entire card in there and send that one?
[1254.22] Curry: Well, God bless the God.
[1261.06] Curry: He's still in there.
[1262.06] Curry: He's still waiting to get his power built out of carrier bags.
[1267.1] Stephen: It's a really elaborate way to kill yourself, that one.
[1271.1] Jack: Maybe we could do something like that in the LDO Discord.
[1276.1] Jack: Maybe put out a thing where you swap these post list stuff up and if someone says, I'll
[1286.9] Jack: have that.
[1287.9] Stephen: It'd be more sensible if you could meet and exchange it because I think the delivery costs
[1293.02] Stephen: in the UK are not great.
[1294.58] Stephen: It's generally cheaper to get stuff from China and free delivery than to buy them.
[1299.42] Jack: I was just trying to think of a way of not sending a big old heavy box around.
[1307.86] Frank: Maybe if we could arrange some kind of slightly anonymized map and then he could maybe find
[1315.86] Frank: the next nearest person to you, meet up with them, pass the box on and just kind of...
[1321.22] Stephen: You know those community library boxes?
[1323.62] Stephen: I don't know if people have seen this but around our way there's little community library
[1327.46] Stephen: things and people build something that looks like a large birdhouse with a door on the
[1331.22] Stephen: front and paint it funny colors and they put their old books in there on some shelves and
[1336.06] Stephen: then people go past and take a book and then leave one of their own and get an honor system.
[1341.9] Stephen: If only RC was a bit more popular, we could just leave all our old RC parts out in little
[1347.18] Stephen: hutches on the curb and we could swap them.
[1350.38] Frank: Maybe we should do this at work in the drink.
[1353.54] Frank: Yeah.
[1354.9] Frank: I'm now wondering if this is how...
[1357.34] Curry: Porn was done in the old days because if you're old enough to remember it like me, in the
[1362.26] Curry: olden days before the internet, you used to find porn in hedgerows and stuff.
[1366.94] Curry: And I'm wondering if the society, the honor system, you'd take your mag and give it there,
[1371.42] Curry: you'd pick up a different one, you'd go away again and the old teenager would stumble across
[1377.38] Curry: it and like, wow, look at that.
[1380.9] Curry: This is great.
[1381.62] Curry: I used to have a bush in a bush.
[1384.7] Jack: I think, Andy, I see you mentioned something about that.
[1388.06] Stephen: I remember an old comedy sketch, which show was it where there were people who said, oh,
[1393.34] Stephen: we remember being kids, but you've got to pay it forward, haven't you?
[1396.74] Stephen: And all these like middle aged people were hiding bags of pornography in the woods.
[1404.7] Stephen: It's for the children.
[1405.78] Stephen: You've got to remember it's for the children.
[1408.7] Jack: That worked.
[1411.06] Jack: Yeah, do not be balding bushes now.
[1415.66] Curry: Websites for everything.
[1417.22] Curry: You weren't picky when you were just discovering your jazz mags in the hedgerows.
[1422.5] Curry: Pages are missing.
[1424.78] Stephen: Ah, a picture of rural Idl.
[1429.18] Frank: What happened?
[1430.62] Frank: Yeah, maybe we can do some like geocaching of drone bits.
[1436.06] Tony: Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.
[1438.26] Tony: If we are hidden.
[1439.26] Curry: Yeah, literally, next time you crash one in the tree, just take the coordinates in.
[1446.14] Frank: See, we'll get it down for you.
[1448.42] Frank: Just last known position.
[1449.86] Jack: Just go.
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[1479.66] Frank: Anyone done much flying?
[1481.18] Frank: Jack came up and we did some laser cutting for the
[1488.42] Frank: mini Guinea and some other bits.
[1490.9] Tony: That's still alive, that thing.
[1492.34] Tony: I thought we had got blind.
[1493.54] Frank: Really making some improvements.
[1495.1] Stephen: Is it getting a splint or is it getting a complete redesign?
[1499.18] Frank: It's it's it's very much a triggers broom mechanically.
[1505.58] Jack: Oh no, not really.
[1508.26] Frank: We've only replaced this and that and the other and cut out a few of these.
[1512.14] Tony: But it's in a bag.
[1515.58] Stephen: I did some fanning around myself for later.
[1518.14] Stephen: I've got this custom four inch that I've been in the bag.
[1521.14] Tony: Look, he's taking it out.
[1522.86] Stephen: Pre-crashed.
[1523.78] Stephen: What's he got there?
[1526.54] Tony: What do you got?
[1529.66] Stephen: Some bits.
[1531.06] Stephen: Oh, the camera's not enjoying that.
[1532.74] Stephen: We have something that looks like plain in potentia.
[1537.66] Jack: Is it going to be yellow again?
[1540.42] Jack: Yeah, I'll have to buy more color from.
[1547.38] Jack: Tony loves it.
[1550.14] Stephen: It was a fun little thing with the tail catch and stuff.
[1553.74] Stephen: Yeah, look pretty awesome with the smoke on it.
[1555.94] Stephen: I was just looking at those videos again.
[1557.98] Stephen: I'm kind of flying around completely confused and don't notice it until you
[1561.74] Stephen: start the smoke and I'm like, oh, there he is.
[1566.46] Frank: Yeah, because we're hoping we'll, we'll be putting this on Patreon.
[1573.74] Frank: We're hoping to do some night flying on, on New Year's Eve on the
[1578.58] Frank: afternoon of New Year's Eve at a secret location.
[1583.82] Frank: So we will announce it to Patreons first and they'll get first reviews all.
[1587.7] Frank: And if we still got some spaces, then we'll open it up to everyone else.
[1591.82] Frank: So look forward to that after the show.
[1594.14] Frank: If you're a patron.
[1595.58] Stephen: I was going to say, I tried to fly this thing again.
[1598.46] Stephen: This is because I've been messing around beta flight and putting in
[1602.1] Stephen: DJI on-screen display patches.
[1604.3] Stephen: I've been updating through 4.3 history.
[1607.46] Stephen: And, um, I did it again and then found out it was puking on my config.
[1611.58] Stephen: It didn't want, didn't want to take on my PIDS because they've
[1614.5] Stephen: changed the names of all the sliders.
[1616.98] Stephen: Um, so I kind of went in there and found some odd patches.
[1620.3] Stephen: Um, one where it wanted to reset my filters and set them to two and five
[1624.82] Stephen: Hertz, and then it wanted to reset all the PIDS.
[1628.22] Stephen: And so I just kind of winged it and guessed the PIDS and, um, I got it spot
[1632.1] Stephen: on first time, which is probably a sign I've been spending too much time
[1635.9] Stephen: tinkering with this one, but there's, there's about a million
[1639.38] Stephen: sliders in 4.3 now it's gone.
[1642.58] Stephen: It's gotten a bit out of control.
[1644.5] Jack: Was it just gone the other way?
[1647.1] Stephen: Yeah.
[1647.46] Stephen: Like if you enable expert mode, it doesn't just show you the kind of
[1651.02] Stephen: dampening and, um, stability on whatever sliders that kind of P gain,
[1657.06] Stephen: I gain D gain, it just shows you all sorts of blends and ratios and things.
[1662.98] Stephen: It's a bit much.
[1663.66] Curry: I don't like it.
[1665.38] Stephen: It's just about makes sense, but you have to really reframe what you're
[1668.42] Stephen: doing and think about, well, what, what, what problem are you trying to solve?
[1672.94] Stephen: And then they do help once you kind of understand, I need to, you know,
[1677.5] Stephen: improve tracking or I need to improve prop wash handling and you
[1680.82] Stephen: can like narrow it down.
[1682.58] Stephen: They've also changed it.
[1683.7] Stephen: So you don't just enable D min, but you like have D max as a multiple
[1689.02] Stephen: of your basic D gains.
[1690.74] Stephen: So that's totally adjustable now.
[1695.1] Stephen: I just didn't disable the D min can't be bothered, but I don't have enough
[1700.26] Curry: time for this, I just, because now it takes like, it's a one hour trip
[1704.3] Curry: just to go and fly something.
[1705.94] Curry: I don't want to fap about, I just want it to fly.
[1708.3] Curry: It's like fly good.
[1711.46] Curry: And then if it doesn't, I get disappointed.
[1714.54] Curry: Does it stay in the air?
[1715.74] Curry: Just in case.
[1717.58] Curry: Does it stay in the air?
[1718.74] Curry: Does it go rapidly in the air every time you do a coordinated turn?
[1722.38] Curry: Okay.
[1723.06] Curry: We can work around that.
[1724.34] Curry: We just won't turn.
[1725.34] Stephen: It's going to just keep fail-saving.
[1727.18] Stephen: Just split s every time, no turns.
[1730.1] Stephen: Just that's what you've got.
[1731.5] Stephen: That's what's left in the bag.
[1734.34] Stephen: Was it okay when you did like rolls and flips on the pitch axis and things?
[1740.98] Stephen: Or did it hate those?
[1742.86] Curry: And it was okay if you do just a yaw.
[1747.14] Curry: If you're gentle around the turn, it's fine.
[1749.78] Curry: As soon as you coordinate and use both sticks at a time.
[1752.86] Curry: It's when it seemed to go a bit crazy.
[1754.14] Curry: There was a little bit of rise on the yaw.
[1757.02] Curry: It was obviously overcompensating.
[1758.74] Curry: But as soon as you mixed in a roll with yaw, it's like, we're going.
[1765.06] Stephen: Yeah.
[1765.26] Stephen: Not to say 4.3 is bad.
[1766.74] Stephen: I think it's good, by the way, for it to Magic Pencils comment.
[1769.14] Stephen: Like the defaults do work fine.
[1770.82] Stephen: I was just really aggressively trying to tune that to get rid of every last
[1774.46] Stephen: bit of prop wash, which I did in the end.
[1777.22] Stephen: The fact that it refused to take my values from the 4.3 build of two
[1782.62] Stephen: months ago was just a bit of pain.
[1784.14] Stephen: That's all.
[1785.38] Tony: Well, I don't think I've put any of them on for so long.
[1793.02] Tony: I saw a comment.
[1793.78] Tony: I haven't had any new builds or anything that I've had to update.
[1798.26] Frank: So multiple use work before you find them yet, Tony?
[1802.78] Tony: Yes, perfect.
[1805.22] Stephen: Sorry.
[1806.38] Stephen: Yeah, I was going to say I saw a comment in beta flight where there was
[1809.58] Stephen: some something to the tune of 4.3 will be final in November 2020.
[1816.06] Stephen: And we will be planning a release in early 2021.
[1819.34] Stephen: And they just went through and changed it this week and just changed the year.
[1824.9] Stephen: It's like a final in November 2021 will be released in March 2022.
[1830.54] Stephen: That's just like that.
[1831.9] Stephen: Okay, fine.
[1834.38] Stephen: Who knows what's happening there?
[1837.14] Jack: That is funny.
[1838.14] Jack: Yeah, Tony's like must have abandoned a race flight by now.
[1844.38] Jack: Is that still a thing?
[1846.62] Tony: I am flying race flight for about four years.
[1851.58] Tony: You hated it, didn't you?
[1853.74] Tony: The early builds were poo and then they were really good.
[1857.74] Tony: It was really good.
[1859.58] Tony: And then it went poo again.
[1862.46] Tony: And then I think it's gone good again.
[1864.7] Tony: But I haven't bothered with it for so long.
[1867.98] Tony: I mean, like I said, I haven't had to do anything.
[1873.98] Tony: I've got no new builds coming.
[1876.06] Tony: I have to rebuild my X-Class, but everything's going to be fine.
[1881.66] Tony: I'm not even going to touch that.
[1882.78] Tony: I'll just move the FC over and all that and fingers crossed.
[1888.14] Tony: The only thing I am going to probably change is the ESCs, which might upset it all.
[1892.78] Tony: But we'll have to see.
[1895.66] Tony: What are the ESCs?
[1897.98] Tony: The bloody expensive ones.
[1902.94] Tony: It's for X-Class.
[1903.74] Curry: They're all bloody expensive.
[1905.26] Tony: Yes.
[1907.1] Curry: Who's going to...
[1907.58] Tony: I think they're a tunnel pop.
[1910.06] Tony: So I'm going to have to buy five for one spare.
[1916.38] Jack: Are you going to buy them?
[1919.5] Tony: Yeah.
[1920.4] Frank: At what point does an ESC stop being an ESC and start being a three-phase inverter?
[1927.44] Frank: Is it sort of bigger than your head?
[1930.96] Jack: If you have to pay road tax on it.
[1936.08] Tony: Yeah, the APD ones I'm going to put in there.
[1941.92] Jack: Yeah.
[1942.08] Jack: How about a PDB, Tony?
[1944.64] Tony: And I am going to buy a PD.
[1950.96] Tony: Yes.
[1952.32] Stephen: There needs to be some competition for those high-power ESCs.
[1955.84] Stephen: It seems like it's APD and nothing.
[1958.96] Stephen: That's why the prices are so crazy, right?
[1961.44] Tony: Yeah, I don't think there is anything else.
[1963.28] Tony: Oh, you see.
[1965.68] Stephen: There's some iFlight ones around 120A, but I think there's nothing above 120 other than those.
[1971.76] Tony: Yeah, I think the ones I'm going to get are 200s.
[1974.96] Stephen: I was checking on CleanFlight because I remember when you guys had Hydra on,
[1979.68] Stephen: he was talking about taking changes from Betaflight back into that,
[1983.44] Stephen: but he seems to have given up on that idea as of a year or two ago, which was a shame.
[1990.16] Jack: I think he's just focused on making hardware.
[1995.2] Jack: Last on my story, he was using a pick and place machine and everything.
[2001.6] Curry: Holy moly, you weren't kidding about those APD ESCs.
[2005.44] Curry: I was looking because Rupert White, who's going to be on the show in a couple of weeks,
[2010.0] Curry: had just set the speed record to that one.
[2014.08] Tony: Did he use APD?
[2016.0] Curry: No, yeah, he's got a 200 amp APD.
[2020.0] Curry: Just the one mine.
[2021.84] Curry: Yeah, that's a good thing.
[2023.12] Tony: He's got my fire, isn't he?
[2027.11] Curry: Oh, that's right on that time.
[2030.31] Stephen: Shady, see the flight by a googly bird.
[2035.99] Stephen: Yeah, I think Curry's been having a natter to him as well.
[2039.59] Curry: Yeah, interesting.
[2040.31] Curry: We were talking, I think when Bruce was on, we were mentioning Spocktra,
[2044.55] Curry: and Jack hadn't heard of them, and their videos have all been taken down,
[2048.07] Curry: so I can't even direct you to them and say, watch this, it's quite funny.
[2051.67] Curry: They're not there.
[2052.23] Curry: Their videos were taken down?
[2054.31] Curry: What happened?
[2054.79] Curry: Well, they're not there anymore.
[2055.99] Curry: They've taken the videos down.
[2057.59] Curry: Oh, right, okay.
[2058.71] Curry: What was Spocktra 50?
[2060.87] Curry: Spocktra 50 was just a bunch of old guys that worked together,
[2065.59] Curry: and would just go out in a public park, and fly stuff, and crash stuff.
[2072.15] Curry: And I think the problem is, they often commented on young ladies walking past,
[2077.27] Curry: and perhaps that's why they took the videos down.
[2080.15] Curry: Maybe that got them into trouble.
[2081.91] Curry: Spocktra videos still are my subs.
[2083.83] Curry: Let me check it, Shady, I want to make sure they're there,
[2086.71] Curry: because then I can make Jack watch them all.
[2089.91] Stephen: Yeah, this is what you get for no competition,
[2093.27] Stephen: saying that 190 quid says numbers go FPV for the APD200.
[2097.75] Tony: Jesus, probably won't buy the 200, then.
[2101.59] Stephen: Yeah, it's a bit rich, isn't it?
[2103.99] Stephen: They need a few people in on that game to push the prices down.
[2107.27] Tony: Unless we get some kind of sponsor which Martin's trying to push,
[2110.63] Tony: or we might have a not Red Bull, but what's the other quite tasty drink?
[2120.52] Tony: Spocktra?
[2121.8] Tony: Yeah.
[2122.76] Stephen: Have you talked to that Alka Motors guy who was doing his own alternative to BL Heli 32?
[2128.12] Stephen: Maybe that'd be worth talking to,
[2130.04] Stephen: because he was considering doing some sort of ESC firmware and open-sourcing ESC designs.
[2136.76] Stephen: If you could get someone to start building ESCs for you,
[2139.64] Stephen: he'd be literally off to the races.
[2142.68] Stephen: Given the crazy cost of ESCs in X-Class racing,
[2146.2] Stephen: I'm a little bit surprised that no one's tried to do their own ESC boards.
[2152.84] Curry: No, no, no.
[2153.48] Curry: Quickly, indeed, and say,
[2155.48] Curry: good news, Jack.
[2156.36] Curry: The Spocktra 50 stuff is still there, as people point out to me.
[2160.36] Curry: I must have been looking at that.
[2161.48] Curry: They had another channel as well,
[2163.0] Curry: which they refer to as their Don't Share This One.
[2165.16] Curry: This is dodgy.
[2167.72] Curry: Maybe that's the one that's gone.
[2169.4] Curry: You've got stuff to watch.
[2172.2] Tony: It is good.
[2173.16] Tony: They've got gliders and all that and all that.
[2175.8] Jack: Yeah, I saw it.
[2177.56] Jack: I need, like, you know, these are...
[2180.04] Jack: Monkey boy.
[2180.92] Jack: I want a curated list, a little curried list,
[2186.6] Jack: like these are the ones to get into,
[2189.64] Jack: because I feel a bit outside, like I watch them,
[2193.48] Jack: and I'm outside the jokes.
[2195.32] Curry: Well, just get on and watch them then.
[2196.76] Stephen: Hurry up.
[2197.96] Stephen: Including such videos as Death by Expo.
[2201.4] Jack: All right, that's a good one.
[2203.08] Jack: I can watch that.
[2204.28] Stephen: Did anyone catch the video of Open HD with this giant Jetson board?
[2209.24] Frank: No, it sounds funny.
[2210.44] Stephen: Mario FPV flying it around,
[2212.6] Stephen: and he's taken something that it's the size of a...
[2216.36] Stephen: It's like an Android TV box, if you imagine that.
[2219.8] Stephen: Bolted into a quad with cable ties,
[2223.24] Stephen: the most shoddy of builds,
[2224.84] Stephen: because there's just no way to fit this thing in
[2226.76] Stephen: unless you've got some huge autopilot rig,
[2229.4] Stephen: which he hasn't.
[2230.04] Stephen: I mean, the guy's flying this on three-inch,
[2232.52] Stephen: so it's comical.
[2233.48] Stephen: It's just like...
[2235.24] Stephen: Imagine you've taken, like, a CD case or something
[2237.72] Stephen: and just put it on the top of your three-inch quad
[2239.72] Stephen: and put cable ties around it.
[2241.08] Stephen: That's kind of...
[2242.44] Stephen: That's what you're looking at.
[2243.08] Curry: It literally sounds like my regular Open HD quad build.
[2248.84] Stephen: But he's managed to crank it a bit,
[2250.92] Stephen: because this is one that's got some serious image processing hardware.
[2254.12] Stephen: It's an NVIDIA board,
[2255.0] Stephen: and NVIDIA are famous originally for gaming cards,
[2258.2] Stephen: and then they got in in all this kind of high-performance compute stuff,
[2261.56] Stephen: and they're currently used for machine learning
[2263.64] Stephen: and training an inference of visual data,
[2267.16] Stephen: so to do pattern recognition for autonomous vehicles
[2270.28] Stephen: and God knows what.
[2271.64] Stephen: And so they've taken this type of accelerator
[2274.04] Stephen: that can do video...
[2276.12] Stephen: All sorts of video acceleration
[2277.64] Stephen: and doing it using video encode and decode acceleration on the Nano,
[2281.96] Stephen: and he's able to get it down to 55 milliseconds latency,
[2285.96] Stephen: where previously they were talking around 100-110 milliseconds.
[2289.96] Stephen: He's had to crunch it down to 480 lines to get that,
[2293.96] Stephen: so 720-240.
[2297.48] Stephen: But it's promising, at least.
[2299.32] Stephen: Unfortunately, it's just nowhere near what you get with SharkBite or DJI,
[2303.4] Stephen: so it's still relegated to the long-range crowd.
[2307.0] Curry: What the plan is,
[2308.04] Curry: is the guys that are working on the hardware solution
[2312.28] Curry: are aiming to go for between 50-60 milliseconds of latency
[2318.68] Curry: based on a single board that will do...
[2321.48] Curry: But at what resolution?
[2324.12] Curry: I think they're aiming 720.
[2327.0] Curry: That would be okay.
[2328.6] Curry: Which... I think the problem is with using single-board computers,
[2332.76] Curry: is you're stuck with running an OS,
[2337.0] Curry: and all the regular interrupts and OS stuff you do.
[2342.52] Curry: It's not like a real-time thing.
[2345.16] Curry: You haven't got deterministic workflow to do one thing or the other.
[2350.2] Curry: And plus, you haven't got any specialized encode-decode hardware.
[2354.68] Curry: Obviously, the Nano had some.
[2356.52] Curry: It had all those GPU cores to do stuff with.
[2359.56] Curry: But if you can make the hardware specialized a bit like DJI has,
[2364.6] Curry: then you can put it into something small.
[2366.68] Stephen: And you've got to wait for an OS to boot when you fly as well.
[2369.32] Stephen: That's not just like...
[2370.44] Stephen: I mean, DJI does take a second or two to get going,
[2373.0] Stephen: but it's only a handful of seconds.
[2374.68] Stephen: You're waiting for a Raspberry Pi to boot.
[2376.36] Stephen: That could be 30 seconds before you can fly,
[2378.52] Stephen: which is a little bit irritating.
[2380.36] Curry: A lot of open HD is written... is Pelscripts running.
[2384.04] Curry: You can literally see them starting up and running
[2386.28] Curry: and doing this and doing that.
[2387.56] Curry: It's a whole lot of stuff.
[2389.88] Curry: I mean, it's still quite impressive that it works at all, frankly.
[2394.2] Curry: But it's no good just throwing more power at it
[2398.76] Curry: and saying, like, oh, well, the next Raspberry Pi
[2401.64] Curry: is going to run faster and have more cores.
[2405.64] Curry: You want to be more specialized in the approach,
[2408.76] Curry: which you're only going to get from building specialized hardware.
[2412.28] Curry: So I'm trying to get in and talk to the guys developing it
[2417.4] Curry: to see how they're getting on.
[2419.4] Curry: I said I would do it after I got this stupid thing to fly.
[2424.04] Curry: This is literally my Raspberry Pi bolted on the side
[2427.16] Curry: because it won't fit.
[2427.8] Curry: Did you get it in the air?
[2430.36] Curry: Yeah, only in the garden until that...
[2432.68] Curry: Because it's got such a stupid camera, the ribbon cable...
[2435.8] Curry: It's like Tupperware core.
[2436.68] Stephen: Oh, you're still waiting for a new ribbon cable.
[2439.8] Curry: Well, it's not that.
[2440.76] Curry: It's like that entire camera has a non-replaceable cable.
[2444.76] Curry: As soon as you rip the cable, which I did and one of them,
[2447.8] Curry: you're screwed.
[2448.68] Curry: So I'm trying to order the better camera.
[2451.4] Curry: Is that the autopilot one?
[2453.4] Curry: The autopilot one, but it's out of stock everywhere at the moment.
[2455.88] Curry: So I'm still waiting for that
[2457.08] Curry: because that's the one that's going to go in the plane.
[2459.08] Curry: And the plane has the ocean board,
[2461.8] Curry: which looks a lot nicer.
[2464.04] Curry: That is the Compute Module 4 with the Oaken board.
[2468.52] Curry: And that's got a proper...
[2470.84] Curry: JST plug, so you can just plug stuff in
[2475.64] Curry: and have it work a bit better.
[2477.8] Curry: So that's hopefully the way forward.
[2480.52] Curry: But right now, I can't imagine going out flying too much
[2485.24] Curry: because it's bloody miserable out there, isn't it?
[2488.36] Curry: It's just even in a nice sunny day,
[2490.92] Curry: I'm feeling like I could die out here.
[2492.92] Curry: In fact, I was pissing about trying to get this stupid thing flying
[2497.56] Curry: that I stupidly accepted to say,
[2499.48] Curry: yeah, that's the quick thing to review.
[2501.64] Curry: And a man came up to me
[2502.84] Curry: because I was literally sat on the floor in a field
[2505.8] Curry: talking to this stupid quad.
[2507.16] Curry: Because how about you guys?
[2508.68] Curry: I often chat to my electronics when they're misbehaving.
[2514.92] Jack: Is there someone that looks after you?
[2518.12] Curry: Someone literally came up and says,
[2519.96] Curry: are you okay?
[2521.08] Curry: And I had to answer, I'm fine.
[2523.8] Curry: I'm just here playing with some toys,
[2525.64] Curry: which makes it sound even worse, if anything.
[2529.64] Curry: I don't know if you went away feeling reassured or not.
[2532.44] Tony: Well, you were outside
[2534.76] Tony: and you might have thought you found some mags
[2537.24] Tony: and now you're playing with some toys, right?
[2539.64] Curry: Yeah, perhaps he was around there hunting for his,
[2543.72] Curry: his bring and buy.
[2546.12] Stephen: Like the Blue Peter, poor bring and buy sales.
[2548.12] Stephen: A common source of concern
[2549.72] Stephen: when I worked with a bunch of software developers
[2551.56] Stephen: that the muttering would turn into shouting
[2553.64] Stephen: and just general sorts of annoyed soliloquies
[2558.28] Stephen: vented across the office.
[2559.72] Stephen: And it just happens.
[2561.48] Stephen: Fewer people go to a store
[2562.76] Stephen: when they mutter about their machinery.
[2564.52] Stephen: You don't want to bottle it up.
[2567.57] Jack: I think Frank's already got all Astro gloves.
[2570.53] Frank: Yeah, I've had my Astro gloves for a couple of years.
[2575.09] Frank: They are really good and that's why I recommend them.
[2581.25] Tony: Only if you go outside.
[2583.33] Curry: It feels like they want an extra bit like,
[2586.53] Curry: because the Astro gloves have that,
[2587.65] Curry: it's basically from a forefinger, isn't it?
[2589.49] Curry: As I watched it, so you could do that.
[2591.09] Curry: But I want this little extra thing
[2592.77] Curry: just to pop the cap back on your thumb
[2595.33] Curry: when you finished.
[2596.61] Curry: To cover back up again.
[2598.53] Stephen: Yeah, it's like a momentary release thumb.
[2601.81] Curry: Yeah, a little literally roll back or something.
[2605.81] Curry: Like you go like Spider-Man,
[2607.73] Curry: except with web shooting out,
[2609.81] Curry: the little gloves go which,
[2611.17] Curry: and go back over the thumbs.
[2612.69] Curry: Because even just exposing your thumbs and doing this,
[2616.61] Curry: you're like,
[2617.49] Stephen: Can you have a glove that goes along the top of your thumb
[2619.89] Stephen: but leaves the pad of the thumb to, you know, to grip things?
[2623.65] Frank: Just cut a tiny little hole.
[2626.61] Frank: Small hole in some gloves.
[2627.89] Stephen: Just the thumb prints.
[2631.25] Stephen: It's got bloody cold,
[2632.29] Stephen: especially when you're standing in a field
[2633.65] Stephen: and the wind gets up.
[2634.69] Stephen: It's no good.
[2636.13] Frank: Can you show them on screen?
[2637.41] Frank: I'll go grab them.
[2639.57] Stephen: I am pleasantly surprised by the new cameras though.
[2643.25] Stephen: Everything just seems to work much better
[2645.01] Stephen: than it used to.
[2645.73] Stephen: When I started flying,
[2646.77] Stephen: I couldn't fly anything past about four o'clock this time of year.
[2651.17] Stephen: It's too dark, but everything seems much happier with low light now.
[2657.01] Curry: Isn't the sun annoying?
[2658.53] Curry: It's like wintertime.
[2659.57] Curry: Where's the sun get to?
[2660.61] Curry: It gets up to eye line and then goes back down again.
[2663.09] Curry: It gets dark.
[2666.45] Jack: Look at that.
[2667.65] Jack: He loves them.
[2669.17] Jack: And for everyone who,
[2671.25] Jack: yeah, need help.
[2671.89] Jack: He looks so much happier now.
[2673.33] Jack: Everyone who's listening.
[2674.53] Jack: He loves them.
[2675.09] Stephen: So much happier.
[2677.49] Curry: It feels like something like your nan would buy you new gloves for
[2682.13] Curry: because she's seen your ones and they're broken.
[2684.05] Frank: I think it's just sort of over quite a bit of wear.
[2691.49] Frank: Like they are slightly fraying along there,
[2694.05] Frank: but they're like sewed up double.
[2695.81] Frank: So they're not going to fall apart.
[2697.65] Frank: Is it a neoprene?
[2698.69] Frank: I can't tell what the fabric is.
[2701.65] Frank: Don't know.
[2702.93] Frank: It's fairly thick, fairly size, but it's...
[2707.09] Stephen: I like foamy wetsuit material.
[2709.73] Tony: Yeah, a little bit.
[2711.25] Tony: They probably just were wetsuit gloves at the start of the show.
[2715.25] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[2715.89] Jack: They need some trimion on them so you could see your hands.
[2721.17] Jack: Like trimion markers.
[2722.45] Jack: But the trouble is that's radioactive, isn't it?
[2724.45] Jack: I don't know.
[2725.25] Jack: I hate radiation.
[2727.97] Stephen: I'm not flawless.
[2731.65] Stephen: It reminds me of an excellent plan, sir,
[2734.61] Stephen: except for two small drawbacks.
[2737.49] Stephen: We don't have any trimion markers.
[2740.85] Stephen: Trimion markers are completely radioactive
[2743.49] Stephen: from a kill us nun 15 minutes.
[2745.33] Stephen: After that, solid plan, sir.
[2747.33] Jack: No, they kill you very slowly.
[2751.17] Jack: Not instant, no.
[2755.17] Jack: But I think it's beta radiation does suck a bit
[2759.41] Jack: because obviously it gets in there
[2761.49] Jack: and it's strong enough to penetrate
[2764.13] Jack: but doesn't get all the way through.
[2765.73] Curry: That's what I'm sure you said.
[2766.85] Curry: If you're going to get a whole nuclear thing,
[2767.97] Curry: surely that's just going to like,
[2769.17] Curry: oh, this is nice and warming, these nuclear rocks.
[2771.17] Jack: Yeah, like the bonus warming feature.
[2774.37] Stephen: Well, that's what they do in space aircraft,
[2776.13] Stephen: isn't it, to stop stuff freezing up.
[2777.89] Stephen: They just literally put like a small kind of nuclear power supply
[2782.37] Stephen: that just pumps out a bit of heat.
[2785.17] Jack: Really?
[2786.53] Stephen: I'm pretty sure, yeah.
[2789.57] Stephen: Keep things going along.
[2791.17] Stephen: Electronics don't like being super cold.
[2793.97] Jack: Yeah.
[2795.01] Jack: I can imagine.
[2798.69] Jack: I bought some of the old conformal coatings.
[2801.17] Jack: I've got to do my ESCs.
[2803.33] Jack: Because if I do, miraculously do go flying.
[2806.45] Jack: I'll probably cook them in the wet.
[2811.09] Tony: It might be wet New Year's Eve or when you're out.
[2815.97] Stephen: Just don't land on wet grass in the dark.
[2818.53] Stephen: You'll be fine.
[2820.29] Curry: Bit hard not to see.
[2822.05] Curry: Catch it.
[2823.17] Curry: Flying in the dark.
[2824.29] Jack: What's everyone's in the dark?
[2826.37] Jack: Beyond fire.
[2828.13] Jack: Fire means lie.
[2831.49] Tony: I just don't fly in the dark.
[2833.41] Stephen: Yeah, I was just going to say,
[2834.61] Stephen: what's your preferred night flying get up?
[2838.13] Stephen: Everyone knows your retail and everything works well,
[2840.53] Stephen: but anything else?
[2842.61] Frank: I did a poll in the chat as well,
[2846.13] Frank: during the show about what's everyone's favorite
[2849.73] Frank: night flying add-on.
[2853.33] Frank: Leading is LEDs at 45%.
[2857.49] Frank: The next one is Starlight Cameras.
[2861.01] Frank: Third one is Runny Great Torch
[2863.33] Frank: and out the rear is pyrotechnics.
[2866.77] Curry: Possibly the most important that's not on there
[2869.25] Curry: is landing lights.
[2871.41] Curry: Because as long as you know where you're coming back,
[2874.21] Curry: that's much more important than LEDs.
[2876.05] Curry: Like, oh, I can see the quad over there.
[2877.57] Curry: That's that's no good when you're trying to find your way.
[2880.21] Frank: I was thinking of Runny Great Torch as like,
[2884.13] Frank: also that it could be like headlights on your car,
[2887.17] Frank: lighting up where you are or whatever.
[2888.85] Stephen: Yeah, I find LEDs that seem great when you're about to take off,
[2893.49] Stephen: but then you get in the air and you kind of realize
[2895.81] Stephen: LEDs, they only really illuminate where you are.
[2899.65] Stephen: And if you're not near the ground, it doesn't really help.
[2903.01] Stephen: You can't see anything.
[2903.97] Stephen: And then you're trying to get near the ground,
[2905.57] Stephen: which isn't necessarily conducive to say flying.
[2910.05] Jack: That's the opposite of what you want to do.
[2913.41] Jack: The bloody great bonfire could have been on the list.
[2918.05] Curry: I knew someone that used to like flying at night,
[2920.61] Curry: but didn't want to attract attention.
[2922.45] Curry: So he used infrared lights.
[2925.65] Curry: And then he had an infrared sensitive camera,
[2928.13] Curry: which is a nice way of doing things.
[2929.89] Curry: If anybody saw it completely dark in the field,
[2932.37] Curry: and he was just coming to land.
[2933.89] Stephen: He loves the IR filter, can't you, on your regular cams?
[2937.17] Curry: Yeah, if you've got one of those little things you can put out.
[2942.53] Curry: Sometimes they seem like fixed on.
[2945.25] Curry: Sometimes they're just literally a little filter
[2946.93] Curry: you can take away.
[2947.65] Curry: Sometimes it's like a fixed in thing.
[2949.65] Curry: And sometimes it's on the lens.
[2950.85] Curry: Sometimes it's on the sensor.
[2952.21] Jack: Yeah, that's what I got used to be able to buy
[2956.53] Jack: my IR sensitive cameras, couldn't you?
[2959.89] Jack: And they used to like, you'd fly during the day
[2961.97] Jack: and everything would appear blue.
[2964.21] Jack: This is like tinge to everything.
[2967.01] Tony: Didn't someone, we know, make one something a few years ago,
[2971.73] Tony: put it on the front of a quad.
[2973.89] Frank: Carlos, I'm sure, has done quite a bit on that kind of thing.
[2978.05] Frank: I remember he used to buzz everyone with their campfires
[2984.21] Frank: with his wing at some point.
[2986.53] Tony: What about him tuning in and watching him?
[2988.77] Tony: It was all green.
[2990.69] Jack: All I was going to say is Tony,
[2993.09] Jack: was the iDrone had this guy next to him at a stall once
[2999.57] Jack: and they had the high powered IR floodlight thing.
[3006.13] Jack: And he sold them at the show
[3008.37] Jack: and then we never saw them ever again.
[3010.45] Tony: Yeah, I don't know what happened.
[3011.89] Tony: I didn't do well.
[3014.61] Tony: I remember it being quite big
[3015.97] Tony: and then having to put GoPro on as well.
[3017.97] Tony: It was just like too much.
[3019.65] Stephen: Yeah.
[3020.61] Stephen: I was going to ask if anyone tried out
[3022.21] Stephen: the Menace RC Cop LEDs yet.
[3026.85] Curry: No, I didn't.
[3029.09] Curry: I did get a ping from Greg about getting some
[3031.17] Curry: but he didn't reply as yet.
[3034.05] Stephen: I've got to say, I just had a quad
[3036.05] Stephen: that's the right shape to fit them on.
[3037.97] Stephen: I'm scratching my head thinking,
[3039.89] Stephen: where can I mount them?
[3042.61] Jack: Wynn has them.
[3043.57] Jack: I've seen him do some stuff with them.
[3046.61] Jack: And he bought some at
[3053.01] Jack: Western Park, I think.
[3055.01] Jack: And he's posted some stuff from his workbench and that.
[3059.33] Jack: So, Wynn, did you ever do anything
[3061.73] Jack: with that LED board I sent you?
[3063.49] Jack: Because I've got so many of those.
[3067.97] Jack: If anyone wants a Maytec LED board, let me know.
[3072.69] Jack: You can have it for shipping price.
[3075.25] Tony: Nine grand.
[3078.29] Stephen: Yeah, so I was going to try and build a quad
[3080.21] Stephen: with the Menace Cop LED boards,
[3083.25] Stephen: which aren't just the same as the LEDs
[3086.05] Stephen: you have from Maytec and so forth.
[3087.57] Stephen: Those are the large EB ones.
[3088.85] Stephen: The Menace ones are these giant Cop ones
[3091.41] Stephen: that you see in high power floodlights.
[3093.57] Stephen: And they look quite impressive.
[3095.89] Stephen: But you do need a special converter board
[3099.49] Stephen: to run the power to them.
[3100.61] Stephen: And they hook directly into the battery
[3102.21] Stephen: so you don't just run them off of flight control
[3104.13] Stephen: off the modest five volt supply.
[3106.13] Stephen: Goes directly from the main battery.
[3108.05] Stephen: You've got to kind of calculate the right number
[3109.89] Stephen: that you can string along
[3111.01] Stephen: according to what voltage and things.
[3113.09] Stephen: I'm going to put out an absolute ton of light.
[3115.17] Stephen: But I'm just worried if it's misty,
[3117.09] Stephen: then that's just going to create
[3118.29] Stephen: a really bright haze in front of the quad.
[3120.29] Stephen: So I have to see how that works.
[3122.05] Curry: I wonder how far they'll be visible from.
[3123.33] Curry: Because I mentioned it before.
[3124.53] Curry: We had a friend that ran LEDs on 4S
[3127.49] Curry: directly from his wing.
[3128.93] Curry: And we could see it from 10 kilometers away
[3130.93] Curry: when he turned them on.
[3131.65] Curry: Really?
[3132.77] Curry: Yeah.
[3133.67] Curry: That night.
[3135.43] Curry: And it was just like,
[3137.11] Curry: it just lit up.
[3138.87] Curry: Absolute miles away.
[3139.91] Curry: That was probably as Daniel was one
[3142.23] Tony: where he put on his quad.
[3144.15] Curry: No, that's pretty much the sun on his stuff, isn't it?
[3149.19] Curry: Just lighting up entire forests.
[3151.27] Tony: That was bad though.
[3153.59] Jack: I've never seen anything like it.
[3157.03] Tony: Yeah.
[3157.43] Tony: If you haven't seen that, go and watch that.
[3160.15] Tony: Was it RC test flight?
[3162.71] Stephen: Oh, Menace LED.
[3165.03] Stephen: Richard Warwick in the chat has posted a link
[3168.79] Stephen: to his Menace LED testing.
[3172.71] Stephen: Looks very interesting.
[3175.35] Curry: So are these more for seeing yourself in the air
[3178.47] Curry: or trying to light up where you're going?
[3182.15] Curry: Because it always seems too localized.
[3183.83] Curry: You need to sort of project in front of yourself,
[3185.83] Curry: don't you, to see where you want to go?
[3188.31] Stephen: Well, they are kind of planar.
[3190.07] Stephen: They're like a 2D strip of LED element.
[3195.27] Stephen: Funny things, I haven't seen them before,
[3196.95] Stephen: but they're just like yellow stripes in each one.
[3202.55] Tony: My mountain bike literally does go quite far,
[3207.51] Tony: but it's just got such a massive spread
[3209.51] Tony: so you can see both sides of the trail.
[3213.51] Stephen: I guess if you were trying to direct it,
[3215.27] Stephen: you'd put a reflect around it like torches have.
[3217.75] Stephen: So it hasn't got that.
[3219.03] Stephen: It's just going to be unidirectional.
[3221.91] Jack: I think the idea of it is for racers,
[3225.51] Jack: it's sort of like the thing that the DRL should have gone with.
[3232.31] Stephen: Custom colors and stuff like that.
[3235.43] Stephen: Don't they have that on the big DRL courts?
[3237.43] Stephen: They've all got different colors, haven't they?
[3238.87] Jack: Yeah, I think that's the idea of them.
[3244.07] Jack: Should we call it there?
[3246.39] Jack: Aye.
[3246.95] Jack: We have a successfully completed an LDO.
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[3269.51] Jack: What show is this again?
[3271.59] Jack: UK time.
[3273.19] Jack: Let's drone out.
[3275.19] Jack: Oh, right.
[3276.23] Stephen: At Let's Drone.
[3277.03] Stephen: What is the Let's Drone out network with Let's Drone out?
[3280.87] Jack: On LDO FM.
[3283.59] Curry: It's been Let's Drone out production.
[3286.39] Jack: Yeah, also by Let's Drone out.
[3289.83] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3291.35] Jack: You've been joined by Andrew Sashrank.
[3293.19] Frank: Bye.
[3294.39] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[3296.55] Jack: Goodbye.
[3297.99] Jack: My little darling wife.
[3299.75] Tony: Munch too.
[3301.35] Jack: And Stephen.
[3303.11] Jack: Cheers.
[3303.99] Jack: And I'll be right until I fly.
[3305.27] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3306.07] Jack: Good night.