=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 337 ===
Title: LDO Episode Number Whatever - With Special Guest Sync FPV
Recorded: 2022-02-10
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Sync FPV
Total audience: 2,306
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjiCVmLZ66U); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1214193778-letsdroneout-ldo-episode-number-whatever-with-special-guest-sync-fpv.mp3)
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Sync FPV: https://www.youtube.com/syncfpv

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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to let's drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate
[7.48] Jack: So that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say
[12.56] Jack: Massive. Thank you to Carlos campos art folk now, Sam Darma
[19.4] Frank: Mikey dread
[21.2] Frank: On with the show
[53.46] Curry: Hello welcome to let's drone out
[57.18] Curry: Episode number something. I'm not keeping track slightly down on numbers today because
[62.5] Curry: Jack's not here and everybody else is doing something else, but I'm here. Hello. I'm carrying in joined today with
[69.78] Curry: Steven over here sometimes like Berlick or happy shiny something and down at the bottom there
[74.9] Curry: We've got the wonderful sync FPV welcome. Hello. Hello
[78.94] Sync FPV: Thanks guys. Good to be here
[80.94] Curry: Good good to see you and we were just talking and I thought we'd get this question out
[86.82] Curry: Now before I forget about it because I went back and I watched some of your recent videos
[91.7] Curry: I have seen some of your videos before of course
[94.14] Curry: And I watched some of the best of stuff and what instantly struck me was how high-risk everything was not just that
[101.78] Curry: But how come sync manages to find all these bandos and the rest of us are just looking like if we could just find a
[107.3] Curry: Field we'd be happy
[108.86] Curry: So I know you can't be pulling those moves off every single time because they're just insane. There's loads of tiny gaps. There's
[117.42] Curry: Matty flips real extended ones where you like going backwards forever
[121.74] Curry: And then you just emerge out a tiny door and stuff flying past a steel girder like two inches away from it
[127.54] Curry: Yeah
[127.82] Curry: And I'm just like it makes me kind of shiver because I always worry about what happens if I crash here because in some of
[133.54] Curry: Your cases you do like I just have to climb a 400-foot tower and right quad back and it'd be fine
[139.06] Curry: How do you put that sort of stuff out your mind and say don't worry if we smash it up
[144.02] Curry: We're just build another one or whatever. What what goes through your head, you know
[148.58] Sync FPV: this is a good question, but like I think it's I
[153.46] Sync FPV: Do still have like risk assessment in my head
[156.3] Sync FPV: There is still a thing that's saying like if I go down here, I'm not getting it back and that's
[161.82] Sync FPV: Most of the time most of the gaps that you see
[163.9] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's a really small gap and if I crashed into the the side or whatever if I missed the hole
[168.3] Sync FPV: It's gonna break a lot of stuff, but I'm gonna get something back. I'm gonna I'm gonna find a pile of pieces on the floor
[174.66] Sync FPV: I really I hate flying over water because if you go down in water, you know
[179.34] Sync FPV: Like there's no getting that back or if you're flying over a roof or something where like there's no real way to get up there
[186.08] Sync FPV: Those things still sketch me out a lot
[187.76] Sync FPV: But just trying to find for a small hole or a circle or something isn't I don't know
[192.4] Sync FPV: It's risky in terms of their impact
[194.6] Sync FPV: But there is always still gonna be a way that you will at least
[198.2] Sync FPV: Recover a big pile of parts or a load of broken stuff. But yeah, obviously
[204.88] Sync FPV: No, they're not first time. A lot of them are you know, there's a couple of tricks in there that I've
[211.04] Sync FPV: I'm trying to think like this
[212.84] Sync FPV: There's there's one I did like a couple of years ago where I did a reverse dive in that in a house
[217.96] Sync FPV: So went down a skylight and then came out the front door down a couple of stories
[222.08] Sync FPV: and I was I was sitting there for probably four or five packs at the end of the day trying to get this one trick and
[227.4] Sync FPV: every time I
[228.64] Sync FPV: crashed I probably
[230.28] Sync FPV: Damaged an antenna or you know
[231.96] Sync FPV: Like I would have to go and get it from inside the house and I finally got it and I was like, yes
[236.76] Sync FPV: I did it. It's cool. And I got home and the the GoPro had done this freeze-frame thing
[241.52] Sync FPV: So I didn't have the footage of it. So I was like, no, this sucks
[244.64] Sync FPV: I spent like so much so many parts and so much time doing this
[247.88] Sync FPV: And so the next day I just went back there and just did that trick over and over again until I got it again
[253.6] Sync FPV: And then went home and it was like I just literally went just to just to sort of like because I felt like the house
[259.72] Sync FPV: Would be in me and I was like I have to go and just sort of prove that I can do this
[263.36] Sync FPV: And yeah, it was probably
[266.08] Sync FPV: 20 30 attempts, you know
[268.08] Stephen: What do you think drives you to put that much time and energy into you know
[271.72] Stephen: That may be what might be a might not even be five seconds of footage. Yeah, yeah, I kill a trick at 60 mile an hour
[278.32] Sync FPV: That's a good question. I think it's just like I I
[282.92] Sync FPV: Don't know you and I I'm thinking back to like the skating days where you would see
[288.0] Sync FPV: Like I bought or or something would have a set of stairs that they want a trick down. There's actually a documentary
[294.36] Sync FPV: There's like an hour long about a guy trying to jump down one set of stairs and he takes two years
[300.12] Sync FPV: Well, I think it's like between a year and two years keeps returning to the same spot
[304.36] Sync FPV: Sometimes he gets kicked off sometimes he and he's just probably hundreds and hundreds of attempts and you're right that the actual end goal is
[312.84] Sync FPV: Ten seconds right because like that trick only took ten seconds, but it's I don't know
[316.84] Sync FPV: It's like it's just kind of a skater before you were into FPV
[320.56] Sync FPV: Yeah, I was and I think I think quite a lot of people are right. It does seem that there's quite a big cross
[325.28] Stephen: I guess that's how that mentality arrives that yeah, like I've got to do this one thing
[330.96] Stephen: Yeah, really hard and no one else has ever done. It's self set challenges, isn't it?
[335.68] Sync FPV: It's like you you kind of like you just go I can do this
[338.04] Sync FPV: So if you think something's possible you you'll sit there and prove it or or not
[343.16] Sync FPV: It's the cases sometimes
[345.04] Curry: It also strikes me that you probably
[348.08] Curry: Think of a location in a completely different way to me because when I see these
[352.8] Curry: Is it the right thing is it called a Matty flip still when you basically do that the sort of the backwards loop out?
[358.2] Curry: Are we still calling them that? Yeah
[361.0] Curry: Over something and then nose down and like a backwards. That's basically that the the backwards flight stuff
[367.44] Curry: When when I'm seeing it and it's on a huge distance
[370.8] Curry: I'm thinking this guy must be taking such notice of like marks in the ground
[377.52] Curry: To know exactly how he's lining himself up because it's not always like you wouldn't just go through the door
[383.2] Curry: It's like as long as I'm in a straight line
[385.0] Curry: I'll be fine
[385.56] Curry: You must be using like references on the ground and stuff to make sure you're good because the amount of times you're hitting these dead on
[391.8] Curry: Is is quite scary?
[393.8] Curry: It's just do you have this visual mind map and your spatial awareness in a different way?
[399.56] Sync FPV: It's a good it's a good point because I don't think you do it consciously. But when I look back at the footage, there's some
[405.68] Sync FPV: There's some like where I'm coming out of a door or something and I can see myself like
[409.88] Sync FPV: Leaning to the right or left because I was gonna miss and I'm sort of like self-correcting at the at the when I'm on
[416.12] Sync FPV: The flat bit and I'm like, huh, that's weird
[418.28] Sync FPV: I must have known that I was gonna hit the door frame, but there wasn't I think it's just feel man
[422.72] Sync FPV: You just like you just sort of like, you know
[424.96] Sync FPV: The quad sort of like moved a bit to the left and as long as you were lined up in the beginning you kind of like
[429.6] Sync FPV: You're remembering you're like
[430.92] Sync FPV: Oh the angle of the horizon wasn't quite right as I went over
[434.24] Sync FPV: That means I'm going to be going a bit to the left better roll right a little bit to come just the camera
[439.48] Stephen: It's like proprioception. Like you're aware of what's around the quad. You're not just looking through the lens
[445.12] Sync FPV: Yeah, I think I guess I mean a lot of the time there's a bit of luck as well. I mean, let's not kid ourselves
[454.16] Sync FPV: Practice should not be ignored sure sure sure. Yeah, but
[458.84] Sync FPV: Yeah, people say like people say I'm really lucky but then when you keep doing it, they're like, okay
[463.6] Sync FPV: Well, it there must be something else here as well because you can't be you can't be lucky that many times
[468.2] Sync FPV: It's like yeah, I guess but yeah, I think you know
[471.4] Sync FPV: Yeah practice and that's sort of like just feeling the quad and knowing when it's like moved a bit to the left
[478.0] Sync FPV: You can kind of just you just feel it in the sticks, man
[480.8] Stephen: You know when you're learning this stuff like how many motors were you getting through in a month? Oh, yeah, let's not go there
[487.2] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's a sizable number the crazy
[490.04] Sync FPV: Yeah, cuz obviously I think in the early days. I didn't used to run like little TPU arm guards
[496.32] Sync FPV: Then if you guys use any kind of motor protection, but yeah, I could I would go through
[503.44] Sync FPV: Between four and eight like in one flight session
[507.56] Sync FPV: So flight session. Yeah
[509.64] Sync FPV: That's that's epic. So that so that so I I've used the very cheapest motors
[514.84] Sync FPV: I could like the Velos
[517.24] Sync FPV: Develops T motor ones were about nine nine quite a motor or something. So I went with them for quite a while and yeah
[524.44] Sync FPV: They they were probably the biggest casualties
[527.8] Sync FPV: I think it's framed frames you don't really break that much right, you know, you get
[531.36] Sync FPV: You might break an arm here or there, but the sort of middle of the frame doesn't doesn't seem to get broken that much
[536.96] Sync FPV: So always the motors and the and the go pros for me
[540.2] Stephen: You don't ever do a complete squish then where like the frame standoffs go sideways and the top plates over here and the bottom plates
[546.72] Stephen: over there
[547.92] Stephen: Have you done that? Yeah. Yeah, I have seen it happen. Actually. Yeah, I have seen it happen
[552.92] Stephen: But usually the lighter weight frames not proper freestyle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are you guys both freestyle?
[558.4] Sync FPV: Or do you do either of you race or anything?
[560.6] Curry: Not race at mainly. I just swung around I wouldn't even say I class myself as freestyle flying around. Is that is that free?
[568.52] Curry: That's yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm a freestyle. Nice. Oh, yeah. I did I did a race once. How did you say? Yeah
[575.68] Curry: Um, I I won some heats but I was good
[579.08] Curry: Yeah, the good thing about it is I was like I've never done a race before it was one of the team woolly sheep events
[584.48] Curry: Who are very nice bunch of people and they kind of rank people in the group. So you'd never go against
[589.88] Curry: Insanely experienced people it'd be like oh, right. We're putting you with like, you know
[593.9] Curry: There's small children and people who've never flown before and it's like, yeah
[598.26] Sync FPV: Well, I beat them you beat a load of kids. Yeah, good job, man
[603.06] Stephen: Still going to school sports day curry. Yep
[609.58] Curry: So
[610.5] Curry: How are the how the GoPro damage you mentioned? Are you just smashing the lenses or is it a whole GoPro as you're taking out?
[618.18] Sync FPV: Yeah, sometimes it's whole ones. I mean I
[621.7] Sync FPV: Would I would use like the lens thing on the on the hero 7 and then a
[626.1] Sync FPV: temper glass filter and then an ND filter as well to kind of like just try and give it a
[631.98] Sync FPV: Fighting chance and that seems to help a little bit, you know, you you go go through ND filters
[638.04] Sync FPV: Like 10 a penny, but so it's not really in the ND filter for you. It's more like bulletproofing. It's protection. Absolutely
[644.66] Sync FPV: Yeah, I think I had like a bunch of ND twos
[647.58] Sync FPV: I think was the lowest one you can get and they do basically nothing to the image
[651.26] Sync FPV: But yeah, it's just it's just to make to give you all that lens a bit more of a chance
[656.06] Sync FPV: but damaging acts like breaking a whole GoPro does happen quite often, but
[660.38] Sync FPV: There's that GoPro plus thing if you guys know about that, that's like 50 quid a year or something
[665.78] Sync FPV: I think it's 60 credit years like that and then you can get go post replaced from GoPro
[671.38] Sync FPV: You're supposed to only get to a year and you're supposed to pay a premium for them
[675.62] Sync FPV: But when they rolled this thing out, I don't think this is gonna be like
[679.3] Sync FPV: Oh, you know life hack now because I think they fixed it
[682.46] Sync FPV: But when they rolled it out about two two and a half years ago, they couldn't take payment. Their payment provider was broken
[688.22] Sync FPV: So they couldn't take payment from the UK
[690.3] Sync FPV: So you would you would go to them?
[692.14] Sync FPV: I really want to get this GoPro replace, please with my GoPro plus subscription and they would say oh the payment things not working
[699.06] Sync FPV: So for this time only we'll give it you free as a warranty replacement
[703.22] Sync FPV: And I got I think I got ten in one year ten this time only deals
[708.22] Sync FPV: Yeah, cuz you just go on the on the live chat and it would be like a different person each time
[712.58] Sync FPV: so they obviously don't keep a record of how many
[715.3] Sync FPV: One time only warranty replacements you've had and yeah
[718.74] Sync FPV: And that that definitely it gives you a lot more confidence when you know that GoPro would just send you another
[723.58] Stephen: These days everyone in your house has a GoPro cover plan in their name then they're breaking GoPros
[729.78] Sync FPV: Just think it's done on email so you can just you can just sign up again and again with as many emails as you want
[735.1] Sync FPV: I don't think it's even done on address or name. So yeah, I do know people with more than one GoPro plus account
[740.82] Stephen: I'll go pretty well out the whole deal. I think the actual bill of materials those cameras isn't extraordinarily high
[746.82] Sync FPV: Yeah, I do wonder like if
[750.34] Sync FPV: If you worked or knew someone that worked at GoPro
[753.02] Sync FPV: I would be interested to know what their cost prices for one of the one of their cameras. You think it's pretty low
[759.66] Stephen: I think it's yeah, it's got to be pretty low if you consider that people can make a profit on a mobile phone that cost
[764.3] Stephen: Less than a GoPro. I don't think the sensor and electronics are spectacular
[769.66] Stephen: That's a very good point on a mobile phone
[772.22] Sync FPV: Yeah, I hadn't thought about it that way. That's very true
[775.74] Curry: Now I think you had a discussion about this on one of your videos
[778.34] Curry: I didn't get around to watching but what about stabilization? Do you like hyper smooth?
[784.26] Curry: Jira smoke Jira flow just leave it as it is or anything. Yeah
[789.82] Sync FPV: So yeah, it's kind of like a hot topic. I don't know
[792.34] Sync FPV: I think a lot a lot of people have very strong opinions on whether it's a good or bad thing in in freestyle
[798.7] Sync FPV: I think everyone is in agreement that for
[801.78] Sync FPV: Like commercial work. It's it's totally fine to use real steady or anything like that
[805.94] Sync FPV: You get that makes the footage look very magical when you're chasing or doing any kind of subject work
[812.34] Sync FPV: Yep, real steady or Jira flow. I haven't let you play with Jira flow yet
[815.54] Sync FPV: I would like to I downloaded it and the interface was like
[818.9] Sync FPV: Holy cow, that's a lot of buttons. Yeah, a lot of a lot of things to play with looks awesome. Don't get me wrong
[824.66] Sync FPV: But for freestyle, yeah hyper smooth is fine. I like it. I've been using it for ages
[832.1] Sync FPV: but I've actually started to not because after having this conversation and hearing a lot of people's
[838.9] Sync FPV: Opinions on my isn't good or is good
[841.86] Sync FPV: there was a lot of a lot of good points about why
[846.34] Sync FPV: It's it's a good thing to not use it as well. It's not saying that if you use it, it's bad
[850.9] Sync FPV: I don't think that I think the footage looks great
[853.38] Sync FPV: but there is a quality to like the raw footage that
[856.82] Sync FPV: It actually makes things look even more scary and it makes it look you're along for the ride more, right? Yeah
[861.9] Sync FPV: Yeah, and I think that's quite a compelling fit reason to to try it out
[866.98] Sync FPV: So next few videos gonna be gonna be watching out for it
[870.86] Curry: Yeah, I think that's why analog DVR is sometimes quite interesting to watch because if you can see that for all the static as well
[877.74] Curry: That's going on. Yeah. Yeah good, but you're fine DJ. I know I knew I am
[882.62] Sync FPV: Yeah, but I do remember back in the day people would put the little DVR camera in the corner, right?
[886.94] Sync FPV: Because it was just like yeah, this is what this is the cool view
[890.26] Sync FPV: But look at what I'm looking at look at what I'm having to deal with it was kind of like a point of hmm
[894.74] Sync FPV: Flying through static and stuff is like look I this is this is how hard it really is
[899.62] Sync FPV: and I think hypersmith takes away some of that even more because
[904.18] Sync FPV: Yeah, it can make the hard stuff look easier. I think
[909.22] Sync FPV: Yeah, that makes sense
[911.5] Curry: Yeah, yeah, I mean I because I'm reviewing stuff. I'm mostly just showing DVR stuff to people
[918.36] Curry: Yeah, this is what you can see as opposed to like this is what you this is what the perfect view would be for a GoPro
[924.9] Curry: Stabilize, which is not which not what you're gonna get for you goggles
[927.86] Curry: So I was gonna say so so what are you flying now in terms of frames and motors and stuff? Yeah
[934.42] Sync FPV: Sure. Good question. I actually have I have one right here
[938.9] Sync FPV: Andy I didn't I didn't plan that I've just I'm working on them
[943.38] Stephen: So it's possibly the most color coordinated build we've had on the show. Oh, yeah, always always me
[948.7] Sync FPV: I think it matches my logo colors
[951.22] Sync FPV: this is a
[953.34] Sync FPV: What is it called a super fly?
[956.02] Sync FPV: Flip mode. They've got to they've got the juice man. They've got the flip mode
[959.62] Sync FPV: Differences the flip mode has like a camera cage thing on the front
[963.18] Sync FPV: But the juice mode is a classic sort of coffin style frame
[965.94] Sync FPV: But I I really like the cage it reminds me of the old sort of chameleons and the and the roosters
[970.98] Sync FPV: It's like carbon or it is coming. Yeah, I can sort of hold it a bit closer
[975.58] Sync FPV: Yeah, so this is it's carbon then with a bit of a TPU bumper on it
[979.38] Sync FPV: It's a kadix vista. I think they're it's the best thing going really
[984.3] Sync FPV: um
[985.62] Sync FPV: fat tech stack, so 45 amp ESC and the g4 flight controller and
[992.86] Sync FPV: T-motor f6d pro 4 is still on the classics. I don't know. They're just they're just really good
[998.54] Sync FPV: I was using the Velux for ages. I'm breaking like I said four to eight every time and
[1004.02] Sync FPV: Then I asked him over and they were like maybe the f60s will suit you better and I tried them and I
[1009.82] Sync FPV: Okay, they're hard to break. I'm getting a success. Yeah success so 1750 says the lowest one that they do
[1017.66] Sync FPV: Yeah, I think that's everything and this is a color the sides of the frame
[1021.62] Stephen: Maybe I'm a noob, but I've never done this one. I
[1025.14] Stephen: Use these let me say
[1027.34] Sync FPV: It's not very it's not very yeah
[1031.18] Stephen: Is it just a sharpie?
[1036.62] Sync FPV: It's that it's it's an oil-based
[1039.18] Sync FPV: So they they do these sort of like right arts pen markers
[1043.62] Sync FPV: But you can't get them in the UK, so I I think there's a dude in there's a dude
[1048.06] Sync FPV: It there's like a wholesaler in Ireland that that sells the money bay for like three quid, so I just get them from there
[1054.62] Stephen: Okay, they're not too dedicated. I thought you were gonna say I'd I import them
[1061.14] Sync FPV: From the US no, but yeah, you have to get the oil ones like the normal sharpies don't
[1066.22] Sync FPV: They're not thinking I was thinking how does the colors stand out because it would yeah, it's good
[1070.02] Stephen: I'm the carbon school. It's a nice touch
[1072.58] Sync FPV: Yeah, and then you go and smash them to pieces of course. Yeah, that's a given there, right?
[1078.42] Sync FPV: But yeah, I'm the super fly is I don't know if you've heard of them. They're the UK guys
[1083.86] Sync FPV: Is that a five inch frame or 5.5 or it's five yeah
[1087.62] Sync FPV: It can take five point one prop specs, but not five and what's the GoPro that you're hauling on it
[1093.22] Sync FPV: Just trying to figure on it. So yeah, this is an eight, but I usually I haven't actually flame with the eight yet
[1100.1] Sync FPV: I've only just printed this map which is why it's nice and clean but
[1103.9] Sync FPV: Usually I was on the seven and the all-up weight with everything. I used the 1200 milliamp
[1110.74] Sync FPV: Speedy pizza trying to hobby line batteries and it's about seven three five seven three nine
[1117.1] Stephen: I was flying without a GoPro and I got the hero I thought I'll just put this on a five inch and now my word
[1123.22] Stephen: Seven right made a massive difference. Yeah, it really slows it down
[1126.58] Stephen: So then I built a seven inch and just smashed it to pieces, but it'll be in the air again soon
[1131.5] Sync FPV: Nice. I didn't mention the props pink props that are a gem found fifty one forty three three three three three three
[1139.7] Sync FPV: so that
[1141.54] Stephen: Hurricane ones they're nice. So I was watching your podcast or listening to it rather cuz I was down in Jim
[1148.9] Stephen: Heard you're actually sponsored for your massive massive number of props
[1153.54] Stephen: I mean if you're going through motors in that number, I'm guessing through your you're going through props in ten times the number of motors
[1159.86] Sync FPV: Yes, you're correct. Even more so now. I think now that I've got these TPU arm guards the motors don't break that often
[1166.46] Sync FPV: But yeah, yeah
[1168.94] Sync FPV: Yeah, Jim fan really cool. They approached me. They just said we want to sponsor you
[1173.66] Sync FPV: We're building up a team blah blah because they were primarily racing before and they were had a bunch of really good freestyle props
[1180.42] Sync FPV: But they didn't really sponsor that many freestyle pilots
[1183.14] Sync FPV: They're trying to build a team and the other guy that do the podcast with Mike. He's the sort of the rep
[1187.66] Sync FPV: The international rep for gem fans. So he's he's the one building this team of pilots and doing lots of promotion and stuff and
[1194.18] Sync FPV: Sending me lots of props. So we like him. He's good. Yeah
[1198.3] Sync FPV: Keeping you in the air. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool. He's cool
[1202.3] Curry: So how many pallets of props do they have to send out every month to keep you imagining like a bin bag?
[1208.62] Curry: At least a sizable box full of bags full of thousands of props surely is it's quite a it's quite a delivery
[1215.14] Sync FPV: They do them. I mean, I don't know how much I can say but they it's just annual or they back a truck
[1220.8] Sync FPV: I think they do that is annual. Yeah, I was gonna say
[1224.5] Sync FPV: Supply in one go because it's better than shipping out
[1227.9] Sync FPV: Individual things every month right because they come from China. So
[1231.18] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's a it's a box. It's a box and a half. And yeah, you kind of like
[1237.54] Sync FPV: Don't need to worry about props anymore. Yeah
[1240.62] Sync FPV: Just put them under the desk and then like yeah, you've always got enough
[1244.98] Sync FPV: But yeah, they're good. They're good guys, man
[1247.5] Curry: That's cool. We did have a question here, which I didn't get it was from fail safe FPP
[1252.14] Curry: It says sink you running the alpha firmware on the g4. Hey fail safe. I was I tried it
[1258.98] Sync FPV: I tried a few versions of it and then I
[1263.26] Sync FPV: Updated to the most recent and it told me my flight controller wasn't activated
[1268.9] Sync FPV: So there was like an activation thing that I think was supposed to trigger and so I rolled back to kiss
[1274.38] Sync FPV: I did enjoy it though. I thought it was pretty cool. So fat tech of
[1277.98] Sync FPV: Like they've started to build their own firmware
[1280.34] Sync FPV: That's separate to kiss because at the moment fat tech runs the kiss firmware on all their flight controllers
[1286.62] Sync FPV: They have different ESC protocol at different ESC firmware
[1291.82] Sync FPV: So they're now building an FC
[1295.14] Sync FPV: Firmware that is their own brand as well because you know the guy who runs fat tech
[1299.86] Sync FPV: Well, one of the one of the three was the original creator of kiss. That's Felix
[1305.42] Sync FPV: Nielsen, I think his name is Nelson Felix Nielsen
[1308.3] Sync FPV: Neeson. Yeah, so he he's the original creator of kiss. He's born his own company. It sounded like a shield now, but yeah
[1314.82] Stephen: I don't know. It's what you use. It's what you use. I'm sure you've got a good reason for it
[1319.54] Sync FPV: Yeah, I love it. I think what do you guys play? Do you all well obviously a bit of everything based off like through and through
[1325.82] Curry: Sorry, I think that's not very much everything since multi-week. I've never had a kiss flight controller weirdly
[1332.66] Curry: I've had kiss ESCs and every other flight controller you can think of but I've never had a kiss flight control. No way
[1339.54] Curry: Yes way, I think at the beginning it was because it's like we mean it doesn't have an OSD I need to see like
[1347.18] Curry: That and then I know you just need to add another board. It's like that seems like the olden days
[1351.82] Curry: Yeah, I don't know about that. But everybody who uses it
[1355.98] Curry: Certainly goes on and on about how well they fly and the fact that you don't have to spend
[1362.5] Curry: Eight years trying to understand what all these filters mean in beta flight
[1365.94] Curry: That's right. I'm all for the idea of kiss being keep it simple stupid
[1371.5] Curry: Because I've been moaning for ages that the beta flight is just so complicated
[1376.74] Curry: You just need a couple of sliders that say faster spinny slower spinny and the rest of it, you know
[1382.58] Curry: In in terms of PIDS, it's I suppose you want it loose or or more locked and that's about it
[1387.86] Curry: Really the rest of it should just yeah work as far as I'm concerned
[1391.3] Sync FPV: So you're not one of these people that enjoys the tuning process because they do know people that really
[1397.26] Sync FPV: They love it, right? I don't go as far as black box
[1400.14] Stephen: But I certainly don't have a grudge having to put a couple of packs through something to tune it after I built it
[1405.38] Stephen: Yeah, I know I think is that don't be so hard
[1409.78] Curry: To get the time to go and fly
[1412.18] Curry: With the weather and locations that I don't want to be faffing around like oh, let me just turn this up a bit
[1418.1] Curry: I just want to fly around have a bit of fun. Yeah
[1420.94] Stephen: Messing around and around I find now I've got the phone app now. I've got beta flight configurator on my Android phone
[1427.74] Stephen: It's just way easier. I can just have the Android phone with an OTG cable and like a plinkety-plonk
[1433.3] Stephen: Yeah, a bit more PIDS bit more PIDS bit more filters. Oh, no, no, no, no filter back the other way
[1438.58] Stephen: It's going crazy and then just sort of get it to the point where it's responding in a way
[1444.06] Stephen: I'm comfortable with you know, there's no bounce backs and decent amount of prop wash handling and then that's good
[1449.74] Stephen: I'm not gonna put hours into it, but I don't mind like learning about how the flight controller works
[1455.18] Stephen: I find that a little bit fascinating how the flight controller works
[1457.98] Stephen: And yeah, I find once I've heard someone talk about that or I've gone through and read some of the PRs
[1463.9] Stephen: It'll just kind of comes into focus and then I'm like, oh, right. I just moved that. Oh, it flies nicely done
[1470.62] Sync FPV: Hello, how long are you guys been flying?
[1474.13] Sync FPV: Ten years this year ten years and you and you've never tried to kiss like show TV's everything
[1480.85] Curry: except kiss
[1485.97] Curry: It was always kiss was always more expensive to get and it's like, oh I got all these, you know
[1491.77] Curry: I've got all these beat up like fuck like control. Yeah, no, it's not
[1496.49] Curry: Consciously, it's it's been kind of like because I did a lot of reviews. It's been like a review quad has arrived
[1502.77] Curry: It has a bit of flight flight control in it. We know we're doing that. Let's take our flight and
[1507.49] Curry: so when I when I
[1509.25] Curry: Buy stuff which is seemingly quite rare. It's it's gonna be like, oh I need to run
[1514.93] Curry: This on this quad. So it's gonna be like a something I can run either beat a flight on or I never on and I never
[1520.45] Curry: Thought about anything else. Right? Yeah, I should I should really try one. I'd be interested
[1524.69] Sync FPV: Yeah, see what you think cuz you've actually had so much experience with beta flight and it would be
[1530.29] Sync FPV: It'd be cool to see what you what you think
[1532.45] Curry: Yeah, so much experience sounds like I know what I'm doing
[1534.89] Curry: It really is if I get out of the box and it flies reasonably. I'm like, that's good enough for me
[1539.57] Curry: I'm not touching anymore
[1540.77] Curry: There have been quads that have come and they've been expertly tuned like the the old immersion RC stuff
[1547.89] Curry: like the the vortex I had the vortex Mojo and
[1552.01] Curry: That had like a tune from they sent them out to various people like Final Glide Oz and he put his tune on there
[1558.85] Curry: And I have to say that like, oh, wow, this really does fly even better
[1562.77] Curry: Than than the normal those little incremental pieces do
[1566.89] Curry: kind of make it worth the effort if you can be bothered to go back and sort of reiterate and then do that thing and if
[1572.69] Curry: I just was just going out and flying one quad and
[1576.21] Curry: Repeating that I'm sure I'd be you know going back and tuning but it's kind of yeah
[1580.37] Curry: What am I taking out today weird stuff picking up to other weird things to film weird stuff for? Yeah
[1586.73] Stephen: I was learning how to build and so I just wanted to get more for my money
[1591.41] Stephen: I started about beta flight 3.2 and
[1594.41] Stephen: I was like, oh, I love to learn this and I just learned it
[1597.85] Stephen: You know, it's a couple of evenings and done but I am a little bit tempted especially now
[1602.49] Stephen: I've heard some people out there are testing the new HV set from FedEx, which sounds interesting
[1609.41] Stephen: And there are there are some people who are building 10s mini quads. Yeah, I
[1614.09] Sync FPV: Haven't put it in a card yet, but tennis five inch sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to that
[1620.09] Sync FPV: Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say something
[1622.21] Sync FPV: It's gonna sound like a sales pitch and that's because it kind of is a bit but if you don't like tuning
[1629.45] Sync FPV: Superfly Steve the guy that sells these frames he he provides like tunes for them
[1635.45] Sync FPV: He's actually one of the one of the guys that's done a lot of the preset tunes before point three
[1639.45] Sync FPV: But he has when you buy the frame you get a password to his website that's got tuned specifically for this frame
[1645.01] Sync FPV: With your FC and motor KV combination. So if you don't like tuning
[1651.37] Sync FPV: Maybe try maybe pick one up
[1653.93] Sync FPV: Give it and there's a there's a link from there. It is. I'm worried as well. Yeah, lovely
[1659.53] Sync FPV: and yeah, that's kind of nice because then it does take the guesswork out of tuning for
[1664.37] Sync FPV: This specific frame because you know, he's done all of the black box and resonance tests and all that stuff
[1669.69] Curry: Ahead of ahead of time. We've got a question here from sonic tonic saying will we see the sinker merch?
[1676.37] Curry: It's already there and you're about to break it out or did you do your logo?
[1680.23] Sync FPV: Are you gonna go a whole to a whole line of all that? I did do all my own branding. Yes, but not
[1686.17] Sync FPV: Not really bothered with merch to be honest
[1688.13] Sync FPV: I think if you if you think mean much as in like hats and hoodies and stuff
[1694.21] Sync FPV: like that, I'm not sure right like who would really buy that I mean, but I
[1699.61] Sync FPV: Guess if people want it like sure but there hasn't been an overwhelming demand for my name on it on any item of clothing yet
[1707.57] Sync FPV: I did do some stickers back in the day. I think every everyone starts out with stickers, right? That's kind of like
[1712.93] Sync FPV: Yeah, that's a cool thing. But yeah apart from that
[1717.29] Sync FPV: Watch this space for
[1719.77] Sync FPV: Kind of quad related things that aren't necessarily clothes. I can't say too much but
[1725.81] Stephen: Yeah, I'm sorry on the the HV thing did we finish that are you planning to put it in a quarter?
[1731.37] Stephen: Are you just kind of yeah in your chin on that one? No, I am
[1735.17] Sync FPV: I've got
[1736.85] Sync FPV: these
[1738.09] Sync FPV: The batteries I'm gonna use it's kind of this is it's almost like we planned this everything's just on my desk that you want to
[1743.29] Sync FPV: Talk about this is kind of weird
[1745.29] Sync FPV: So these are 720 milliamp
[1748.05] Sync FPV: Gmb batteries, so there's a six and a forest one of those
[1753.05] Sync FPV: The equivalent sort of what hours or whatever however you divide it
[1757.85] Sync FPV: This will give you the same amount of juice as a 1200 milliamp success
[1762.97] Sync FPV: Like the same amount of power and it's 30 grams heavier lighter in this configuration
[1769.97] Stephen: So that's gonna be rated ones. Those are a funny color. There's a red. What is that red? Yeah. Yeah
[1775.25] Sync FPV: I don't think it means anything. They just
[1779.13] Sync FPV: All these different colors of lipos, I've done yeah
[1782.01] Sync FPV: Decoder ring clothes. I think it's like the milliamp hours. So that the 600 ish ones that are yellow
[1789.17] Stephen: 700 ish. No, no, there's yellows in 380s and 660s
[1793.89] Stephen: hundreds and 1350s, it's just I
[1797.09] Sync FPV: Think like a generational range or something. I don't know. Right? Okay. Well, these are HP ones. Yeah, and yeah
[1804.21] Sync FPV: Yeah, I I mean the the ESC in the box is rated to go up to 12s
[1810.13] Sync FPV: I think still 45 amp but like so you could put two of the six s ones on it and
[1816.69] Sync FPV: That's gonna be the second light then
[1820.65] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm really curious the only problem
[1823.77] Sync FPV: I mean mounting these is gonna be fun because obviously one is thinner than the other one
[1828.49] Sync FPV: So I'm probably gonna build like a little
[1830.97] Stephen: Just I had that on my 8s 7-inch though
[1833.41] Stephen: I like I had a 6s and 2s on top and put two straps around them and it stayed put just squish it down
[1839.13] Stephen: Yeah, front strap in a back strap and it's okay. You don't want one strap because then they're like, you know, excuse
[1845.09] Stephen: No, of course like oh, yeah
[1847.37] Sync FPV: Yeah, I'm just gonna replace the motors. So it comes with 1100 KV motors. I think they're 1100 and 2207
[1854.97] Sync FPV: So it's literally just a drop-in replacement for
[1859.01] Sync FPV: Whatever I have on a 5-inch already. So it's a yeah
[1863.93] Sync FPV: But the weather is right now it keeps raining so
[1868.25] Sync FPV: Yeah, I wish it was just bright enough a bit. I can go out again
[1871.61] Curry: We get that I literally had my backpack today to go out because the weather forecast was okay and then decides to rain
[1877.97] Sync FPV: Yeah, fingers crossed for tomorrow. It's it's like that sort of like transition season, isn't it? They're always a bit
[1885.05] Sync FPV: wet
[1886.81] Stephen: Yeah, old just was a lot bloody cold and I've got the special fingerless gloves
[1891.21] Stephen: I've got a little fold off fingers so I can go out and fly and there's a great man
[1895.81] Stephen: like I went flying on the weekends and I couldn't feel my toes after a couple of packs like
[1900.89] Stephen: Mind my fingers my toes with two pairs of socks
[1904.33] Sync FPV: This is this is a good segue actually because I I have circulation issues
[1908.45] Sync FPV: So I have to stay warm and I have some little I've got some tricks man
[1912.89] Sync FPV: I have I have heated electric socks
[1916.65] Sync FPV: So that it's like those in socks heated electric socks. Yeah, I'm thinking link in the chat
[1923.61] Sync FPV: No, it's the two the 2s each sock is 2s
[1929.45] Sync FPV: Success but I'm
[1932.81] Sync FPV: And then I've got heated insoles as well
[1935.89] Stephen: So the insoles on not only the socks but the insoles too
[1939.09] Sync FPV: Yeah, man, cuz the socks heat the top of your foot and it's not something that sound it's like ham cooking just kind of
[1947.09] Sync FPV: Now this was really cool because they're not like super hot so they because they're the batteries actually in the insult
[1952.53] Sync FPV: So you can imagine they're not like the most powerful of thing magic
[1956.61] Curry: I think I need to research all of this before I like the idea of this because it is always your extremities, isn't it?
[1962.93] Curry: Absolutely. They go cold the rest of you like can't take it anymore
[1966.49] Stephen: And you might think I'll stamp your feet, but you try and do that while you're doing acro and you're just gonna fall
[1971.09] Sync FPV: Yeah, I think that's the main problem. Is that this hubby requires you to stand incredibly still, right?
[1976.77] Sync FPV: It's like you basically you're concentrating so much you don't move and even your hands
[1980.81] Sync FPV: You're trying to move them as small as possible, right?
[1983.41] Sync FPV: So you're basically going out of your way to keep still and say like it the cold is even worse
[1988.33] Sync FPV: Right these hand warmers as well like electric hand warmers
[1991.61] Sync FPV: basically, yeah, I've got like
[1993.45] Sync FPV: 12 s batteries just on my person. I think I've got kind of crappy circulation as well
[1998.81] Stephen: Like I get numb toes really easily. Yeah, he's an excellent tip. So we'll follow up on that. Go for it, man
[2004.25] Sync FPV: Yeah, I must have spent probably 200 quid on heated things. It's all skiing gear off. How do you find all this stuff?
[2011.37] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's basically for
[2013.25] Sync FPV: Yeah for people that live in in the snow and I'm just there out and it's like slightly cold and I mean, I don't know
[2020.57] Sync FPV: In a field yeah, they're like in I've got like a ski jacket and I was
[2025.05] Sync FPV: Snowboarding boots. I always like I just did I just can't handle the cold. My body just shuts down
[2030.37] Sync FPV: So it's got to be done
[2032.57] Sync FPV: valuable tips, I'm sure people are finding it
[2037.33] Sync FPV: Or just laugh at me in my in my alpine ski wear when they see me
[2042.73] Sync FPV: styling it I
[2045.05] Curry: Always have to ask a question being in in both camps of flying like quads and fixed wing
[2049.21] Curry: Have you done any fixed wing flying or is that something you want to do?
[2053.85] Sync FPV: Dude, you know, I I never tried it. I've never like
[2059.29] Sync FPV: Never even been out with someone that's had one on them and I've
[2063.37] Sync FPV: Go on and they've gone. Oh, you know have a go while it's in the air sort of thing
[2066.51] Sync FPV: I think I just I haven't met anyone that's been into it yet. And I think if I did
[2072.45] Sync FPV: Actually, you know what? I did meet one guy a
[2075.29] Sync FPV: random Hill in
[2077.97] Sync FPV: Just up North Clea Hill. Have you heard of Clea Hill? It's like a place in the middle of the country
[2082.13] Sync FPV: That's really really nice for flying fixed wings and stuff and he had the most beautiful fixed wing
[2087.49] Sync FPV: I've ever seen it was all custom built. It was like orange and black
[2090.01] Sync FPV: It looks incredible and he just like it took off and he and he was flying
[2094.77] Sync FPV: it looks so cool and he just was straight into the side of a mountain and he was like
[2099.13] Sync FPV: And he hadn't put his crossfire and center on his radio
[2102.57] Sync FPV: so it just failsafe when it got about
[2104.85] Sync FPV: 80 meters away tried to turn around because the failsafe kicked in and just went straight into the mountain and the thing just like
[2110.57] Sync FPV: Oh, it was it was really tragic to see because it was an absolutely beautiful machine
[2114.49] Sync FPV: And had it lasted more than the 25 seconds of flight time. I would have loved to have had a go
[2120.93] Sync FPV: but
[2121.97] Sync FPV: Yeah, I don't know man. It's never it's never been a thing that I've
[2125.25] Sync FPV: Strived to build them and stuff. I think they do take up a lot of space
[2128.33] Sync FPV: It seems like when you got a whole fleet of those things
[2132.49] Sync FPV: Feels like they would require a bit of real estate
[2135.97] Sync FPV: but
[2137.05] Sync FPV: Yeah, you need a lot of space you did a lot more space to fly them as well, right?
[2141.45] Curry: But you've got space to fly them. You can't just take it. Yeah, and oh in my exactly. Yeah launch here
[2146.57] Sync FPV: but like long-range like
[2149.09] Sync FPV: scares me as well
[2152.09] Sync FPV: The further away I get for myself that
[2154.53] Sync FPV: The cut the the sort of like the concept of having to walk that far to go and get it is quite terrifying
[2161.29] Sync FPV: so yeah, I
[2163.85] Sync FPV: Maybe it's not for me
[2166.45] Sync FPV: I'd like to try it, but I'm saying I'm like that lazy that I just I think everybody should try it because
[2173.45] Curry: When I see quad pilots fly wing they fly them completely different to your average fix
[2179.09] Curry: We try and stop
[2181.09] Curry: Would be like let's launch we go up to a hundred meters nice and safe and we can do the circuits
[2185.57] Curry: Whereas all pilots were like, well, we want it like six inches off the floor and they're like, is that like a cord?
[2190.53] Curry: just
[2191.49] Curry: About which is brilliant because if you get the right sort of wing and it you know, it's it's
[2196.41] Curry: Properly laminate and something you flow that into the grass
[2199.05] Curry: It's just gonna sort of spin over and and pretty much survive but yeah when you've got sort of expensive
[2205.89] Curry: Sort of balsa type things they just turn into matches right? Yeah. Yeah, that's not so good
[2213.01] Sync FPV: yeah, I guess like this that the
[2215.85] Sync FPV: the capacity for tricks and flying like kind of
[2219.53] Sync FPV: Like through gaps and close to the ground and stuff
[2222.45] Sync FPV: Is it it must be a lot less forgiving than a quad rope because you basically you've got to be going over a certain speed
[2228.21] Sync FPV: Or it'll fall out the air you kind of like any kind of
[2231.61] Sync FPV: Difference in air pressure and stuff. Could hope this move
[2235.09] Stephen: Does most wings move about quite a lot compared to a quad? Yeah, I don't I don't know
[2240.65] Curry: I I've seen people fly with like the old-fashioned gimbals back in the day
[2245.61] Curry: And you can see that the model moves around like this
[2248.89] Curry: But I just think it's a it's a very different feeling because you know
[2252.89] Curry: How a quad is like it's got the aerodynamics if just a brick and it just pushes through the air and it doesn't have a problem
[2257.93] Curry: so when you're coming down low in a wing you've got basically this turbulence from the air on the bottom and you're bumping around and
[2265.09] Curry: you've the
[2267.45] Curry: When you shoot a gap under a tree on on the quad, it's it's it's non-existent
[2272.21] Curry: It's just like I'm just flying low when you do that on a wing it you get that
[2275.93] Curry: It's a bit more about them because you're literally buffeting around trying to think can this handle it?
[2281.37] Curry: Am I gonna hit the floor? Am I gonna get through? That's the one theory, right? Yeah, it's more scary
[2285.81] Curry: And the other fun thing about flying fixed-wing is getting a couple of friends up and flying formation
[2291.21] Curry: Which I generally find is easier than quads because quads are kind of a little bit teeny and they can be quite hard to follow
[2298.53] Curry: And if you've if you've had done it and your friend in the field saying I'm by the tree and you like which tree
[2304.73] Curry: And then it's you just like going around trying to find each other all day
[2308.91] Curry: But yeah, if you get the chance definitely check it out because I think everybody should give both camps a go because there's
[2315.81] Stephen: No, it's the iron and the iron have radar really caught my eye
[2318.85] Stephen: I'd like to find an excuse to try that the one where it shows you where other pilots are on the OSD
[2324.37] Stephen: I haven't seen it. It's a little marker and an arrow not just a home arrow, but arrow to the other pilots
[2330.45] Stephen: It's like an extra board. How are they how they communicating through the different different 43 megahertz system that you like?
[2338.29] Stephen: Just another way. That's cool. Yeah
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[2364.21] Sync FPV: Let's drone out
[2365.81] Sync FPV: Is there any sort of recommendation for like if somebody's never done it before? What's the best?
[2371.09] Sync FPV: Wing to start like some are obviously easier to fly than others, right?
[2378.29] Curry: In in terms of like easy things to fly it it's probably a model like that one which is there's got a
[2384.81] Curry: Dihedral so when you launch them they want they want to stay upright, but that's okay. You're very sort of traditional
[2390.61] Curry: It's got a tail. It's got a rudder
[2394.33] Stephen: What was the dihedral again is that curly up bit at the ends?
[2397.45] Curry: Yeah, the dihedral is the curly up thing. So if you let go of the sticks naturally it will just sort of come level
[2403.85] Curry: Whereas a wing I guess you let go of the sticks naturally it wants to kill itself
[2411.05] Curry: I mean wings a kite they're in they're more interesting to launch for sure. I've seen so many
[2417.77] Curry: Both launch failures and different ways of launching
[2421.21] Curry: Cuz cuz I'm short-sighted. I have to launch with my goggles on so I'm completely blind one
[2427.53] Curry: My mouth on the stick
[2429.85] Curry: So I've got my my thumb on the aileron elevate and I'm launching blind and then I'm trying to sort of recover it
[2436.85] Curry: Trying to find a horizon before it falls back out the sky again. That's that's fun
[2442.69] Sync FPV: Cheers Richard for the recommendation of the zoo the zode or zod. How do you say that word?
[2449.89] Curry: Zode make a bunch of pretty nice little wings which are fairly easy to fly and fairly forgiving
[2456.17] Stephen: All right. Cool. No, I'm sure Jack would recommend anything so long as it was covered with a good amount of tape as well
[2462.77] Curry: Yeah, there's there's loads of like this models that you can build with a bit of foam board. I see
[2470.65] Sync FPV: Alright, no promises, but I wouldn't mind giving it a go at some point. It's all about trying new things, right? I
[2478.13] Sync FPV: Think so. Yeah
[2480.77] Sync FPV: There's a quite a few other projects
[2483.41] Stephen: Piled up just not go around see. Yeah, I've been promising to make a wing for ages and I keep building quads because I
[2491.53] Stephen: Just quite enjoy building quads. Well, yeah, it's sitting down there. It's still making no moves
[2498.21] Stephen: It's getting really specific. You said you're gonna feel a wing from a quad
[2502.13] Stephen: Yeah, I've got to decide which one to sacrifice
[2505.05] Stephen: Well, the idea was that I was gonna build a quad that would be able to glide
[2509.81] Stephen: By virtue of being pretty much kind of glued on to a wing a wing. I see so I've got a slider
[2515.77] Sync FPV: I was kind of thinking the other way around a quad that you use purely to launch a wing
[2520.93] Sync FPV: I thought that could be cool. I
[2523.45] Stephen: Won't be able to retrieve the wing afterwards
[2526.45] Stephen: Yeah, and I thought if they were attached that would be easier
[2530.05] Stephen: Yeah
[2531.21] Stephen: Yeah
[2532.25] Stephen: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how it would work really and I've got a couple of frames cup
[2537.33] Stephen: I've got quite a few frames now and I'm probably gonna have a I've got a spare AI as well. I think so
[2543.25] Sync FPV: Do you actually enjoy building quite you just said you enjoy quite enjoy building quads
[2547.57] Sync FPV: Do you really enjoy or do you like just enjoy the I don't enjoy just building. It's the
[2553.45] Stephen: Experimenting like I've got kind of one of every different size and shape and I just like oh
[2558.25] Stephen: I wonder how this would fly and I like
[2560.93] Stephen: Put together an ultra light four-inch and then I'll wonder how this would fly and I make like a 5s
[2565.89] Stephen: 4-inch that's a bit heavier and just kind of monkey around and try the different combinations
[2570.77] Sync FPV: Cuz you know there it's weird isn't it? There's that there's there is a critical difference between
[2575.73] Sync FPV: Building a quad and repairing a quad
[2578.09] Sync FPV: It's like when when you build one
[2580.05] Sync FPV: It's like all the parts are all new and they're all in their boxes and you can lay it all out like all the parts
[2584.85] Sync FPV: Are fresh and that feels really good and that's really fun to do like a complete fresh build if you're repairing something
[2590.77] Sync FPV: Yeah, having to like go through your kind of brush the mud off and like yeah
[2595.05] Stephen: I got noise on my VTX again that it looks the same as it did last time
[2599.77] Sync FPV: But now it's got lines all over it. So yeah, I really enjoy building, but I hate repairing
[2604.81] Sync FPV: I think that's probably the best
[2606.77] Sync FPV: analogy I can think of
[2609.09] Stephen: Now I hear you. Hey, it's actually it's a lot easier now
[2612.85] Stephen: I've gone to DJI because the camera either works or doesn't work
[2616.17] Stephen: That the video system was one of my pet peeves of analog and I typically only get really great video on the lower power
[2622.33] Stephen: Models where ESC interference was a non-issue
[2625.65] Stephen: 2s and 3s models were quite easy to get clean video, but you go up to higher power
[2631.37] Stephen: Models, there was always a bit of bit of noise getting through there
[2635.33] Sync FPV: Yeah, I didn't quite get to success on analog, which is probably a blessing
[2640.45] Sync FPV: but
[2641.65] Sync FPV: Yeah, I suppose just what's the best way to get rid of that just get get the wires away from the ESC
[2647.97] Stephen: Yeah, I think it's pretty much got to run the video wire separate to everything else and keep it as short as possible
[2653.73] Stephen: Don't like coil up the video wire on top of everything else
[2657.09] Stephen: You know trim the wire to length and run the video wire as far away from the high voltage stuff as possible
[2662.57] Curry: Yeah, yeah
[2664.05] Curry: I found some some branded
[2666.17] Curry: VTX has just worked so much better than others like a rush FPV is always when I came back to that was always so so clean
[2673.49] Curry: Does it didn't matter what you did?
[2674.81] Curry: My wires are like a bundled up mess a bit of a frame and it's like beautiful picture all the time
[2681.53] Sync FPV: Yeah, rush stuff there. I love the little
[2685.45] Sync FPV: Plastic boxes and like all the little details that they have on there
[2689.41] Curry: Actual VTX actually look like a heat very much about the packaging aren't you I see you like it when it's all new and in the
[2695.21] Curry: Boxes. Yeah, I'm to lay it out in rows. I'm shallow
[2702.01] Sync FPV: No
[2704.29] Sync FPV: Yeah, I see a question from Richard Warwick says any FPV events planned for 2022
[2712.41] Sync FPV: Yeah, I believe there is
[2714.81] Sync FPV: I've got to get this right. I think it's called prop fest right is a an event that's happening in 2022
[2720.37] Curry: I believe it's going to be I think so that there was a lot of there was a lot of stuff on Facebook about it
[2727.33] Sync FPV: Last year about yeah, because they I think they got a location didn't they or they yeah
[2732.85] Sync FPV: They secured a location and they were just doing the planning stuff. So yeah, look up prop fest and the drone fest
[2742.89] Sync FPV: 2021 that was last year the one that was at the big
[2746.45] Sync FPV: coal mine headstocks
[2748.85] Sync FPV: that I don't know if you guys saw any videos that came out from that there was a lovely event was put on by magic FPV and
[2756.77] Sync FPV: Just movie it wasn't that the other guy so two guys put on this FPV event
[2760.21] Sync FPV: They had a little bit of racing. The focus was primarily freestyle
[2763.85] Sync FPV: It's a great event and I think they're gonna
[2766.33] Sync FPV: They should be doing another one this year as well. So we may have two freestyle events
[2771.97] Sync FPV: For FPV in the UK, which would be awesome in one year
[2775.65] Sync FPV: I mean take that rampage with your silly one event a year
[2781.41] Sync FPV: That would be fantastic. Yeah, it would be sick. I would love it
[2786.13] Curry: You mentioned you had some projects ready or projects waiting to get on with is there anything you can talk about that you you want
[2793.61] Curry: to coming up
[2794.89] Curry: soon coming from sync FPV
[2797.45] Sync FPV: Yeah, okay. I'll let one out there out the woodwork
[2801.25] Sync FPV: exclusive
[2802.93] Sync FPV: exclusive, yeah, so
[2805.93] Sync FPV: Actually, yeah. All right
[2808.57] Stephen: Let me get it. Let me go get it. I'm just imagining like off off screen here. There's just a huge pile of embargoed
[2816.37] Stephen: Stuff just a mountain off to one side of the camera. There's one mountain says NDA and
[2822.13] Curry: It's like we can talk about this one
[2824.33] Sync FPV: Yeah, basically, this is already out ish in a limited batch so I can show you this little guy
[2830.25] Sync FPV: This is a this is from a company called spider cinematics and it is a
[2835.85] Sync FPV: Mojo
[2837.13] Sync FPV: Is the name of the frame and it is a it's primarily a cinematic thing
[2841.33] Sync FPV: It's three and a half inch
[2842.69] Sync FPV: Although it looks a little bit bigger because the frame is big and chunky because it supports this
[2847.45] Sync FPV: One axis sort of gyro here for the for the GoPro and the idea of that heat
[2854.05] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah, it does
[2855.09] Sync FPV: I mean, it's it's this is because you the idea is that you can go completely down and so you can see straight down
[2860.25] Sync FPV: So you can get that sort of mavic style
[2863.45] Sync FPV: Cinematic tripod in the sky kind of look
[2866.05] Sync FPV: When you're just looking straight down, but this is the TV cameras below the frame it is. Yeah, the FPV camera does not move
[2873.69] Sync FPV: I'm gonna be doing a whole video on this. So I'll just sort of like gloss over the bits
[2878.05] Sync FPV: Here because they'll be much more detailed
[2880.53] Sync FPV: But yeah, the idea is kind of like it's kind of between the FPV
[2884.01] Sync FPV: style and the DJI style of filming you can sort of
[2887.69] Sync FPV: Switch the camera in flight to be down up or you can use a rotary
[2891.73] Sync FPV: it's basically this is on an aux channel depending on what you want the angle to be and
[2896.17] Sync FPV: It's also connected to the flight controller. So it self stabilizes question
[2900.29] Sync FPV: This will always stay no matter what the angle of the quad. Oh, so it locks right so you can point straight down
[2907.41] Sync FPV: And then you can dive down but the camera will stay like that. How do you know what you're filming?
[2913.17] Sync FPV: So you don't?
[2916.05] Sync FPV: But you're on a wide-angle lens so you're kind of like I know it's pointing down
[2923.53] Sync FPV: You also have
[2925.69] Sync FPV: Dual operator mode option. They have one that has two vistas and there's one that sits on the top of the GoPro
[2932.37] Sync FPV: And there's one that sits there and then the one that's on the top of the GoPro
[2936.13] Sync FPV: They can be controlling that aux channel on a dial or whatever they want
[2940.01] Sync FPV: So they can be so you have dual operator just like you would with like a professional cine
[2944.77] Sync FPV: rig like a
[2946.53] Sync FPV: inspire or
[2948.53] Sync FPV: Matrice or something
[2949.37] Stephen: If you've got something like an Insta 360 one of theirs you can do a bit of reframing in post
[2954.57] Stephen: Can't you like move it around a bit?
[2956.41] Sync FPV: So this is something that was going to cover in the video
[2958.81] Sync FPV: The idea that
[2960.45] Sync FPV: One of the questions that I asked the guy when he sent to me was like, why don't you just use the 360 camera?
[2965.25] Sync FPV: like it seems like you're trying to
[2967.49] Sync FPV: use
[2968.37] Sync FPV: Like a lot more like engineering to get over a problem that you maybe you wouldn't have because the 360 camera you can do all the reframing
[2974.49] Stephen: I'm gonna go all the way. That's it. Like unless you've got your lens one and then you've got to have
[2979.29] Sync FPV: Quad but the problem with that is that you you have a 4k or 5k if you're lucky image
[2986.97] Sync FPV: over the entire
[2988.85] Sync FPV: 360 degree. So once you crop it once you get once you reframe you have a really low quality image
[2994.05] Sync FPV: And he said that there's no way a
[2996.53] Sync FPV: Like any serious production company would accept that
[3000.13] Sync FPV: To put next to their sort of like professional great
[3002.61] Sync FPV: You can get away with like a hero 10 hero 9 in like a professional shoot
[3007.13] Sync FPV: If it's recut with like other cameras like DSLRs or like I don't know cinecams
[3012.05] Sync FPV: You can kind of if you get really good quality
[3014.97] Sync FPV: GoPro hero 10 stuff. Yeah, you can get away with it, but you would never get away with it with it
[3019.17] Stephen: Yes, an Insta 360 when it's on the Insta 360. You don't have to go the full 360
[3024.49] Stephen: You can just have a wide angle. I was it was more that their software lets you do that kind of
[3030.89] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah. I mean you could do that with with GoPro as well
[3034.97] Sync FPV: I don't think that they might be slightly wider on the 360 cams because I imagine it's it's 180, right?
[3040.61] Sync FPV: If it's one lens, so and the gopro is like 150 something like that
[3045.97] Sync FPV: But yeah, it's it's really nice. And when you real steady, it looks really nice really really nice
[3052.53] Sync FPV: So I will yeah look out for that. That should be in a couple of weeks
[3056.29] Sync FPV: Sounds nice. Yeah
[3058.89] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's cool. It's nice. I think he contacted me. It was probably
[3063.45] Sync FPV: It was last year. So it was like it was a while ago and
[3066.89] Sync FPV: Yeah
[3068.25] Sync FPV: Yeah, I've just he's been busy. I've been busy. I think he has actually released it. I think even
[3073.21] Sync FPV: Yeah, Richard Warwick is on it with the links join theory is where you can I think it might be odd pre-ordering for batch
[3080.09] Sync FPV: 2 now or they might have some about one left. I think they all they're all gone. But yeah, he's
[3085.81] Sync FPV: Let's see. You need constant clear. Let's just see new ideas. It's cool. Right? And yeah, just like I say
[3090.57] Sync FPV: It's like hitting that middle point between the Mavic and the FPV style
[3094.77] Sync FPV: So you can suddenly switch gears and go I don't want to fly fast anymore
[3097.49] Sync FPV: I just want to look down and hover or you know, and one of the really cool things actually is
[3102.25] Sync FPV: When you are doing sort of like chase footage because the gimbal is like locked at an angle
[3107.17] Sync FPV: If you suddenly like decide you need to go faster
[3109.73] Sync FPV: You can just ramp up the speed and it's still perfectly in shot and that applies for backwards as well
[3114.93] Sync FPV: So you can do these crazy sort of backwards
[3117.05] Sync FPV: Moves away. There's that good stuff. That's great. The things just locked. Yeah, it's cool
[3122.01] Sync FPV: So you basically you get a lot more usable footage
[3125.05] Sync FPV: for like for chasing or subject shots than you would with an FPV thing
[3130.57] Stephen: Even if it's my memory failing me. Did I see you also experiment with the new DJI action to a while back?
[3136.93] Sync FPV: I did. Yeah, I I
[3139.69] Sync FPV: Loned it from a shop. I didn't I didn't actually buy one so I don't have it anymore
[3143.93] Sync FPV: But I did experiment and man like there's a few things to love like the way reduction man. Holy cow
[3152.33] Sync FPV: Like going back to session five
[3154.61] Sync FPV: It's lighter than that man
[3156.25] Sync FPV: It's like it's even lighter than a session five
[3158.29] Sync FPV: but if you've been flying hero sevens and eight's like
[3161.21] Sync FPV: When you put that on you just feel like you've yeah, you feel like you've got super power for days. Yeah
[3166.21] Sync FPV: Yeah, I imagine it's the opposite of when you put a GoPro on your drone thinking. I'll just stick this on here
[3172.05] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah
[3174.21] Stephen: It's like driving a bus
[3176.41] Stephen: Yeah, yes the image quality was it I mean use I'm getting usable
[3181.33] Stephen: But maybe not stellar is kind of vibe. I've heard from people. I mean, yeah, it's it's fine
[3186.93] Sync FPV: That's that's basically it. You're not gonna
[3189.69] Sync FPV: You're not gonna be using it in
[3191.77] Sync FPV: Like crazy cinematic productions or whatever, but you will for freestyle and stuff like that. I mean, it's totally totally adequate
[3198.49] Sync FPV: I think that's super wide-angle lens as well. Like it's it's insane. I
[3203.53] Sync FPV: It's it kind of made me feel a bit weird but for some people I think they'll like that as well because that's the subject
[3209.09] Sync FPV: I see eat. Yeah, it looks faster and it looks kind of more crazy. But
[3214.01] Sync FPV: Yeah, that's cool. I I like to see it, you know, we all like to see cameras that are
[3219.45] Sync FPV: Suitable for our drones, you know, it's like cuz yeah, you feel like someone's actually listening for once
[3225.45] Stephen: And yeah, each of you are actually listening to what FPV consumers want is is a good thing to see
[3231.33] Sync FPV: I think it's weird that it's DJI the company that we all hated are sort of like yeah
[3241.05] Sync FPV: Yeah, but now they're like
[3243.05] Sync FPV: They made the digital FPV thing of reality and now they've made a tiny little action camera reality
[3248.89] Sync FPV: Are they mocking us? So they go?
[3250.97] Stephen: It's a bit of a kind of Google like tendency to kind of make something and go well
[3255.37] Stephen: That was an interesting experiment and then forget completely about it and a couple of years later be surprised
[3260.09] Stephen: They even made it at all when someone tells them, you know
[3262.97] Sync FPV: Yeah, all right. I did hear a rumor though
[3265.29] Sync FPV: Do you know what there's a rumor that GoPro are gonna be launching for different cameras this year because you know
[3272.01] Sync FPV: Usually they do like one or two. Yeah, like they might do the silver and black or whatever
[3277.31] Sync FPV: but they're doing for there's like
[3280.05] Sync FPV: people think there's a good chance they might do a
[3285.77] Sync FPV: Said everyone every year on every video they post
[3290.69] Curry: But yeah, I only just got a ten which I got for sort of going on holiday and diving with and it's like
[3297.29] Curry: Yeah, well, it's really nice, but Jesus. I would come
[3302.37] Stephen: Like yeah, I've got a screen on the front is which is gonna be great on a quad, isn't it?
[3306.73] Curry: Screen on the yes green on the front's fantastic if you're out there vlogging and you like hello to myself, but not so useful
[3313.17] Sync FPV: What you want round Bandos really is it you don't want to be else to smash. Yeah, exactly
[3318.33] Sync FPV: But I do I do use the screens on the sevens and eights to like just check the exposures
[3323.97] Sync FPV: All right in every film, but then once it's in the quad, it's usually covered by a mount anyway, right? So
[3328.37] Sync FPV: You're feeling the motor?
[3330.65] Sync FPV: Yeah, exactly. Just use something like that. Then it's fine. But yeah, I don't know man. I feel like
[3336.33] Sync FPV: the eights
[3337.65] Sync FPV: The seven and eight they're basically I think they're equivalent weight the eight is tiny bit more
[3342.21] Sync FPV: But you can take the feet off the bottom
[3343.53] Sync FPV: It's just a couple of screws and then it's like six grams less than a seven
[3347.25] Sync FPV: So they're like we can we can basically say they're the same
[3351.81] Sync FPV: Any heavier than that? I just think it's not
[3354.37] Sync FPV: Not good not doable for freestyle. Although maybe we probably said that you remember the days when 600 grams was like the limit
[3361.45] Sync FPV: That was like your freestyle quad is supposed to be 600 grams anymore
[3366.09] Sync FPV: And you're like you're stressing the flight controller too much or it's a lot of five and a half inch frames as well
[3370.45] Stephen: I'm seeing that start to appear. You've got Chris Rosser who's got an AOS 5.5 out there in Japan
[3375.85] Stephen: Yeah, I love you props with those
[3378.41] Stephen: 5.2
[3380.53] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that. I mean they're old badger and
[3387.73] Sync FPV: See the moment, you know the old arm. It's an I say oh, yeah, I used to fly six inch, didn't they?
[3393.21] Sync FPV: They did but they're five inch one cans for five and a half inch props as well
[3397.57] Sync FPV: Okay, I didn't realize but then when I when I use an actual five inch frame
[3401.17] Sync FPV: I could do now I put them together and I was like, wow, this is like way smaller and I never realized but
[3406.13] Sync FPV: Yeah, I kind of I like the compactness of the five inch one though feels more nippy and more
[3412.57] Stephen: I don't know. Yeah, I mean I fly a bunch of four inch and go into a five inch
[3417.01] Stephen: Right, why doesn't this thing spin as fast, you know, do you fly for it like long-range those long-range cruises?
[3423.17] Stephen: Or do you have like just know something a bit more punchy?
[3429.17] Stephen: So with like, you know, there's 2004 motors that were really popular. Yeah. Yeah, you're so back
[3435.07] Stephen: So I've got something like that with a sister in there
[3438.37] Stephen: That's cool. And it's sort of dead cat so you can get good DVR. Yeah, exactly. So I just have the DVR from that
[3445.45] Stephen: Express
[3447.53] Stephen: 5s 700 milliamp GMB
[3450.37] Stephen: Sweet
[3453.89] Curry: As far as configuring wanted to be as outlier as possible, so four inch on yeah, no one else does that
[3460.29] Sync FPV: There's no props or batteries. Don't you find it anywhere?
[3464.33] Stephen: That was like I said, it's an experiment. I wanted to see how it would fly cuz they're
[3468.09] Stephen: 2004 motors were everywhere and they're really cheap. Yeah
[3470.53] Stephen: Yeah, but I was I knew they were gonna be crap on a five inch because I built the five inch ultra light with
[3476.81] Stephen: 2204 and it was
[3478.57] Sync FPV: Impressive. Oh
[3480.97] Sync FPV: Yeah, I think I've got a five-inch ultra light and I was just thinking 2004 on those I think it was a struggle
[3486.45] Stephen: But I can't can't be right. Let me just put on a four-inch it it shifts now
[3491.85] Sync FPV: They are man. These are 2004 and they're on a five inch, but this is one of them ultra light things
[3498.77] Sync FPV: Yeah, I did that I only flew it a couple of times there the catalyst machine works one
[3503.65] Stephen: Do you notice this one the shocker ultralight? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
[3507.93] Stephen: You go for blue. I'm more of a yellow fan
[3511.45] Stephen: Yellow and blue is kind of a coloring. So I think the yellow
[3516.45] Sync FPV: If you are oh, yeah, you put it in some dark area like you can find it
[3527.65] Stephen: When you get to autumn and all the leaves fall and they're all yellow for a couple of weeks
[3532.09] Stephen: Completely screwed when you crash because it just looks like every leaf in the field
[3536.45] Stephen: But otherwise it works. Yeah
[3539.45] Sync FPV: Yeah, that was that was the subject of a recent video. I did which was
[3543.49] Sync FPV: color matching props and quads and stuff like that and like why'd you do it and
[3549.09] Sync FPV: Because you can yeah, I mean I can't really explain it. Just it's the same reason people like
[3557.25] Sync FPV: Or is it I was gonna say it's the same reason people like to have a nice looking car
[3560.73] Sync FPV: And I saw on the car because when you're inside you can't tell and that's kind of the argument against color matching quads
[3565.69] Sync FPV: And stuff isn't it's like we're flying it from the inside. You can never see it, but it's like
[3570.29] Sync FPV: Yeah, but other people could put other people can't see a quad can they it's like other people can see your car when you're
[3575.17] Sync FPV: Flying down the street, but they can't really see a quad when just flying through the air
[3579.33] Stephen: Forced unless you're like super boring when it comes to like buying some 3d printer filament
[3585.13] Stephen: You're probably gonna buy something other than black
[3587.77] Stephen: I bet you I mean everyone buys black to start with and they print a couple of their little boats or whatever and
[3593.01] Stephen: And then you're like, well, what shall I buy next and you just buy a weird color, don't you?
[3597.05] Sync FPV: So there you go, man, and there are some weird colors out there in CPU
[3601.65] Sync FPV: TPU land some great stuff
[3603.73] Sync FPV: But yeah, I use the same smart neon range. They got like a cyan and a magenta. That is just
[3610.57] Sync FPV: Say, yeah, they're great, aren't they?
[3612.69] Stephen: Real good. They're really reliable. I've got to have a filament dryer though
[3616.81] Stephen: The quality of princes has been massively improved since I got a TPU
[3621.09] Stephen: Dryer box and just crank it for a couple of hours before doing the print it gets all the little things specific
[3627.81] Sync FPV: For 3d printing or is it just a food dehydrator or is it something else?
[3632.49] Stephen: No, it's it's got like rollers in the bottom
[3634.85] Stephen: So you can just put the whole spool in there and a hole in the lid and you can set the temperature
[3640.09] Stephen: And it goes for three or six hours. It just dries the filament out
[3644.21] Stephen: Nice, so it is designed for 3d printing. Yeah
[3648.33] Stephen: But it's kind of why they're behind 3d printer behind there. I'd just be making a racket and
[3654.57] Sync FPV: Just send me a link. Yeah, cuz yeah, some of my prints are going a bit funny
[3658.09] Stephen: Yeah, you get these little surface bubbles and bubbles. Yeah, it gets rid of those
[3662.93] Sync FPV: Cool cool. That's good to know
[3664.93] Stephen: Are you gonna change your colors or are these sync FPV's colors forever more who have attempted to redefine your branding?
[3672.17] Sync FPV: Well, this is like brand 2 I think
[3676.65] Sync FPV: But yeah because when I started out I only did like single color quads
[3681.25] Sync FPV: It was like everything had to be the same color on the cards
[3684.17] Sync FPV: So these two here on the back there like a white one and a red one
[3688.17] Sync FPV: So those are the first two quads they ever built. I basically rebuilt them
[3692.25] Sync FPV: From the same parts, you know
[3693.93] Sync FPV: It's kind of hard to get like the old motors that you used to use like trying to find them again
[3698.69] Sync FPV: I think I spent like I think I found like three of the Teemo F40 Pro 2's and I
[3705.01] Sync FPV: Couldn't find another one for ages till it sort of popped up on a second-hand thing
[3708.81] Sync FPV: Kind of a I don't know why I bothered but like it was just nice thing to have
[3712.93] Sync FPV: But yeah, it was always like had to be red or white or green or you couldn't have any deviation
[3719.37] Sync FPV: And then I was just like well, I like those kind of cyberpunk II color combinations
[3723.57] Sync FPV: You know a little bit eighties pink and blue. Let's try that on a quad and then I was like, that's it
[3727.57] Sync FPV: They're all just gonna be this now. I love it. There's never it never gonna be anything else. So no
[3732.13] Sync FPV: I'm never gonna bother rebranding again
[3736.77] Sync FPV: Yeah, I've done them all already this is the one I sell done I did it's not like I just went in on this one
[3741.89] Sync FPV: First had a bunch of different colors and stuff and different logos. You've committed anyway
[3746.23] Stephen: You've got like 300 pairs of props down there. So you've got to get through before you can change. You're right
[3751.87] Sync FPV: You're actually right and this this is like a this this is like a print, you know, like I can't I'd have to change that
[3758.79] Sync FPV: I can't do that
[3762.15] Sync FPV: That's not agree, that's not a blue stay that's real. Yeah
[3766.79] Stephen: Yeah, so what's your FPV name Steven, I know you know, uh, I'm like SEO unoptimized
[3774.03] Stephen: I this is Steven FPV
[3777.47] Stephen: Shiny video stuff. It's my YouTube video account from like
[3782.43] Stephen: Which I never wanted to be bothered to rename. So yeah, I don't really have many followers. Don't worry about me
[3787.59] Stephen: I only fly when I I only only film stuff when I
[3791.43] Stephen: Crash and it goes wrong and I'm like what happened here when it goes, right?
[3795.11] Stephen: I don't publish the videos because I'm having fun flying and I don't really like editing videos
[3799.93] Stephen: So when I was having a great time and I pull off tricks, I don't like review them afterwards
[3804.93] Stephen: I'm just like oh, yeah, I had a nice day flying right feet up
[3809.01] Sync FPV: Do you put a camera on the quad like an action camera to film it or do you not bother?
[3814.01] Stephen: Usually no, no
[3817.21] Sync FPV: Yeah, all right, I see
[3819.85] Stephen: So I get okay DVR but it's not amazing
[3822.85] Stephen: I built a seven inch purely so I could carry the action cam without feeling it snap the arm
[3830.47] Stephen: Unfortunately, I think I actually went through and got a big twig, but that's my my hero weight build
[3835.27] Stephen: So it's currently looking a little bit worse for wear back there. I'm gonna double up the rear arms. But yeah, it was quite nice
[3843.39] Stephen: That is the bang good clone of the craft machine work bango seven
[3849.15] Stephen: Yeah, and they just made it the same as the five inch
[3851.99] Stephen: So there's supposed to be a rear brace out here and this bits a bit longer on the original
[3855.99] Stephen: I see even so only had five inch five mil arms. So I'm gonna just double up the arms and make them 10 mil
[3863.8] Sync FPV: Does it work like that? You just get a longer screw in?
[3866.8] Stephen: Yeah, it's got longer screws and shorter standoffs and just put two arms on top of each other clamp it in there a bit of that
[3873.28] Stephen: Dampening greaser between the two arms members and off you go. Is that there is that the Chris Russell approved?
[3879.28] Sync FPV: Dampening grease that he told everyone we have to go and grease up our arms
[3883.2] Sync FPV: Yeah, yeah, you don't want those members flapping around plus that's something you guys have tried
[3889.08] Stephen: I did build one of my frames with that. It was alright. I can't say I'm I don't build enough frames notice
[3896.08] Stephen: But I figured it can't hurt like if something's a little loose instead of rattling. It's just gonna squidge, isn't it?
[3901.36] Stephen: Is it messy? Like oh, yeah, stupid dealing with that shit. It's not for easy. It's like it's so thick
[3909.06] Stephen: Like yeah, that's the idea right it's meant to be
[3914.82] Stephen: Almost like glue it's like a hair away from being as sticky as like proper epoxy or it's almost
[3921.46] Stephen: It feels like unset aroldite when you apply it and Jesus. I know you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's bad
[3928.62] Sync FPV: Wow, I mean if it actually had a massive benefit like we'd all be doing it
[3932.84] Sync FPV: Right surely by now the word word will have spread that we have to do this
[3937.7] Stephen: Arm grease this sounds like a bit like you definitely want to be careful applying X it just gets everywhere, right?
[3943.62] Curry: It's like when people used to soft mount motors because exactly
[3947.74] Sync FPV: Exactly. Yeah, I remember that I saw from my advice that it was like, oh you have to do this over on does but I
[3955.26] Sync FPV: think I think I see
[3957.34] Sync FPV: Noticed an improvement when I stopped doing it. It wasn't like it didn't make any difference. It was making it worse. I'm sure
[3963.74] Sync FPV: because
[3964.82] Sync FPV: When you put that sort of TPU under the motor and then you screw down
[3969.1] Sync FPV: If you screwed you might do you it squishes and then the motor doesn't spin properly and stuff
[3975.3] Sync FPV: It was like it was stupid. It was very subjective about how much you should tie exactly. Yeah
[3981.7] Stephen: Yeah, especially if you've got like c-clips because it's when you get some frames and they've got you've got c-clip motors on micros
[3989.14] Stephen: If they haven't cut the hole wide enough the c-clip grabs on the hole
[3993.14] Stephen: And you have to like Dremel out the hole or the motor just kind of grinds and makes horrible noises
[3999.14] Sync FPV: Geez. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was the problem. Basically you had this TPU that was touching the bearing
[4005.82] Sync FPV: And then it would just slow smells interesting. Yeah punch out
[4011.02] Stephen: Yeah
[4013.06] Stephen: I mean we did some stupid stuff
[4015.5] Stephen: Tilted motors like the arms that weren't flat tilting the entire arm forward
[4021.5] Stephen: That's not good at the camera. I
[4023.94] Stephen: Think instead of tilting the camera someone was like wait, there's a problem here
[4027.46] Stephen: We want to be going forwards instead of up so they're like tilt the motors forwards. You see some one or two frames
[4032.94] Stephen: I think it was a phase that from the number of frames must have lasted less than six months and then everyone's like
[4038.14] Stephen: No, stop stop. Stop. Stop. We'll just move the camera. We'll just move the camera and
[4042.78] Stephen: You know, yeah
[4044.28] Sync FPV: After that, that's that's funny that that approach of just like well
[4048.54] Sync FPV: This is how we'll do this thing and then nobody nobody sort of questioned it. Everyone's just doing tilted motors and then
[4055.26] Sync FPV: Yeah, I understand. That's an engineering thing
[4059.26] Sync FPV: Curry kitten I I
[4062.1] Sync FPV: Remember you made a sim, right?
[4064.9] Sync FPV: Yes, so did you?
[4067.14] Sync FPV: Yeah, but like I'm my day job is the game developer
[4070.5] Sync FPV: So this was kind of like the hobby bet like you you just come off that from no game dev experience straight into a sim
[4078.94] Curry: Yeah, did you just I just for us cool, man
[4081.86] Curry: Well, I'll tell you what it was. It's like I was a programmer for quite a long time and then
[4087.86] Curry: driven mental by working at IBM for 23 years and
[4091.86] Curry: Then I didn't do anything for a couple of years and then it's like Oh program is actually quite good fun
[4096.26] Curry: When you're not doing it properly
[4098.06] Curry: Yeah, exactly. There's only at that time. I discovered how far sort of game engines has come for doing things really easily
[4106.22] Curry: So if you're things like unity and unreal engine, it's like, yeah
[4109.98] Curry: Wow, they're giving these things away and you can do loads of stuff with them
[4113.74] Curry: And you know, you don't have to allocate your own memory
[4121.58] Sync FPV: So, yeah, did you get is you still babble with it or if you just sort of like
[4127.06] Curry: Yeah, no, I'm I'm still trying to do an update on my
[4133.1] Curry: My last one. I was finding a problem because I I bought in an asset
[4139.02] Curry: That does the weather for me and it turns out this thing breaks
[4143.86] Curry: At certain versions using certain color space
[4147.22] Curry: using certain
[4148.22] Curry: Time when it rains and I'm having to wait for somebody to fix it, which is is sort of put me down
[4155.26] Curry: But yeah
[4155.94] Curry: I was just trying to get out another couple of levels and do some extra features and then I wanted to try and move over to
[4162.18] Curry: Unreal engine just to try out some stuff on there really because that looks nice interesting
[4166.42] Curry: I thought that was unreal engine seems interesting. Yeah, how it's very much built around
[4173.3] Curry: Bigger better graphics, but it all seems a lot more tightly integrated together than some of the bits from unity. It's like, oh, we're running
[4181.86] Curry: Whatever the render path is right now high definition render path or universal render path or normal and
[4188.38] Curry: None of the modes can work together. It's very much asset here won't work and this shader won't work here
[4193.66] Curry: That's that's what I don't like about unity. That's a bit of a pain
[4196.62] Stephen: It looks useful. I've got lens flare and dynamic lighting until it rains and then I have to turn off this and turn off that
[4203.9] Sync FPV: There you are. You're right. You're right about the unity thing
[4206.86] Sync FPV: They have kind of they've diverged a little bit too much and they'll bring it back eventually
[4212.14] Sync FPV: But yeah, this isn't a game development podcast. This is the
[4216.9] Stephen: Skater skater mod weren't you for flying and that have you been tempted to break out and do your own proper sim?
[4224.86] Sync FPV: so he featured uh
[4227.22] Sync FPV: If you'd asked me a year ago, I would have said yes
[4229.18] Sync FPV: I was always like something that I was thinking about doing but to be honest like
[4235.74] Sync FPV: Work is
[4237.18] Sync FPV: When when you do the same thing in work and your hobby time?
[4242.06] Sync FPV: You kind of like go a bit mental. Yeah, so trying to make my own thing fine at the same time as
[4248.1] Sync FPV: Making a game in the day is kind of hard
[4251.1] Sync FPV: so I did sort of like toy with the idea and then just like making those mods and stuff was just sort of easing in just
[4257.02] Sync FPV: like just curious about quad physics really much rather than
[4261.34] Sync FPV: Trying to make a fun game for everyone to enjoy it was more just like I want a thing for me to mess around with
[4266.86] Sync FPV: the skater thing was built
[4268.82] Sync FPV: around the idea of
[4271.54] Sync FPV: Practicing chase subjects, you know
[4273.54] Sync FPV: like because you could do the skating and then you switch to the quad and then you
[4277.1] Sync FPV: Because it had a great replay mode in the game. I was like you managed to do as much as you did do
[4282.1] Stephen: I was like, okay, it's gonna just feel like
[4284.98] Stephen: It's still gonna be a skate game, but it was really flying
[4288.74] Stephen: Yeah
[4294.26] Sync FPV: It's it's a very expensive skate game the beauty is that was the unity game and they had mod support
[4299.22] Sync FPV: So I've built a quad sim physics simulation in unity already
[4304.62] Sync FPV: So I just literally just copy pasted the code and then as long as you just take control of the camera from the game
[4310.06] Sync FPV: You can do what you want with it, right? So I was just like well, let's just pretend this is a it's just literally move
[4314.86] Sync FPV: the camera that's supposed to be following the
[4317.66] Sync FPV: The skater onto this drone and yeah, and there you go. And then the game you are flying
[4323.82] Sync FPV: So yeah
[4324.44] Sync FPV: it was nice that the game had a decent replay mode that you could intercept the camera on and so while the skater was moving
[4329.9] Sync FPV: Around that you you you do the line you then switch to the quad and then you can just keep restarting it
[4335.72] Sync FPV: Keep going over again and practicing. It was real nice
[4339.06] Sync FPV: Yeah, and you do. I mean I did learn a lot, you know, like because chasing stuff is weird like when you're chasing
[4345.54] Sync FPV: targets like
[4347.22] Sync FPV: Motorcross bikes or some or mountain bikes or things like that. There's such
[4351.54] Sync FPV: There's like you have to have this sixth sense of when they're gonna sort of slow down or turn or go over a jump
[4357.02] Sync FPV: You have to sort of like visualize their sort of velocity vector and how that's gonna change because if they suddenly hit a jump
[4365.02] Sync FPV: They're now going up instead of forwards
[4367.02] Sync FPV: So if you just keep going the same speed you're gonna go straight past them because they're now going up
[4370.82] Sync FPV: so you kind of have to sort of like
[4372.3] Sync FPV: Slow down a bit like just before they get to the jump and all this stuff and when you start visualizing the vectors
[4378.74] Sync FPV: It's kind of like it's it becomes quite quite cool. But yeah, it's it's weird
[4383.82] Sync FPV: And yeah
[4384.68] Sync FPV: I've crashed into a mountain biker before because I just didn't think about that stuff at all
[4389.14] Sync FPV: And so he went off a ramp and I just straight into the back of him because I was just like well
[4392.5] Sync FPV: We're going the same speed. This is gonna be fine
[4394.5] Sync FPV: It was the cine whip though, so it's fine. It was nice foam ducts. No damage
[4401.38] Stephen: Do you think you take that further and make it make it make a challenge mode and make the skater go random paths instead of?
[4408.9] Stephen: Instead of the power fantasy of being able to tell skaters where to go
[4414.02] Sync FPV: Well, you know what they added a multiplayer mode
[4415.98] Sync FPV: I thought it would be it would be really sick if I could make it work with that so that you could just
[4420.94] Sync FPV: Hop in a lobby and just start chasing around people that were doing whatever they want
[4424.3] Sync FPV: That would be cool. But hmm. Yeah, it's another one of those things, right?
[4427.94] Sync FPV: It's like when you when you kind of put it out and you're like, right, that's done
[4430.9] Sync FPV: You kind of you don't really want to touch it again. You're like, all right. Yeah, don't worry next next next fun project, please
[4438.02] Sync FPV: so the chance to be going back to it is
[4440.5] Sync FPV: Yeah, it's getting it's getting smaller and smaller, but never say never right, you know
[4445.18] Sync FPV: Never say never
[4446.78] Curry: Well, we have hit our hour and gone somewhat past so we should really wrap it up you have been watching
[4453.62] Curry: Let's try now episode number whatever we don't know because Andrew Frank isn't here
[4458.26] Curry: And if he's not here, we don't know the number you have been joined by our special guest down below sink FPV
[4463.3] Sync FPV: Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. It's been an absolute pleasure. Really nice to talk to you guys
[4468.66] Curry: Thanks and great to talk to you. We've got the wonderful Steven slash Bell Rick shiny video stuff
[4473.98] Curry: You're gonna have to sit on one of these names. Oh
[4476.78] Stephen: Maybe they'll come a day when I actually get my branding together, but not any time soon. Thanks everyone
[4483.62] Curry: I've been Kerry kitten. You've been watching us and we'll see you next week
[4487.38] Curry: Bye for now and you can find hopefully sinks YouTube channel in our description down below. See you all next time. Thanks guys
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