=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 341 ===
Title: LDO 341 - With A Little Bit Of Tommy:ummagawd
Recorded: 2022-03-10
Hosts: Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Tommy "ummagawd" Tibajia
Total audience: 2,374
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp6RZeXwRQw); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1231100971-letsdroneout-ldo-341-with-a-little-bit-of-tommyummagawd.mp3)
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Tommy / UMMAGAWD - Community Build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNF6uW2d6Sc&t=379s

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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to.
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos.
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[18.0] Jack: Sam Dahmer.
[20.0] Jack: Mikey Dread.
[22.0] Tommy: On with the show.
[24.0] Jack: Let's Drone Out now.
[54.42] Jack: And welcome to Let's Drone Out. Today is Thursday the 10th of the 3rd, 2022.
[62.42] Jack: And you're joined by everyone's favorite Curry Kitten.
[65.42] Jack: Hello.
[66.42] Jack: The lovely Mr. Stephen.
[68.42] Jack: Hello everyone.
[69.42] Jack: And I'm Jack Bright until I fly and unfortunately we haven't got Tommy.
[76.42] Jack: He, something came up.
[79.42] Jack: A little emergency and he's okay.
[83.42] Jack: But we thought we would, you know, record something for 10 minutes.
[87.42] Jack: Yeah.
[88.42] Tommy: Let's do a little teaser.
[90.42] Tommy: How about that?
[91.42] Jack: Yeah.
[92.42] Jack: I have been loving your content, man.
[94.42] Jack: I feel really sad for you that you lost your quads in the drink.
[103.42] Jack: That sucked.
[104.42] Jack: But you've been doing deadly catch stuff.
[108.42] Tommy: Yeah.
[109.42] Tommy: It was definitely one of the more interesting adventures.
[116.42] Tommy: And shout out to the production crew for being okay with me kind of sneaking in some BTS shots here and there.
[124.42] Tommy: Obviously it's not, if I could have it my way, you know, I've just been doing this the whole time.
[130.42] Tommy: But, you know, that's not very professional.
[133.42] Tommy: At the end of the day, I'm there to do something not this.
[139.42] Tommy: Right.
[140.42] Tommy: So they were cool about it.
[143.42] Tommy: And yeah, I thought it was going to be a great opportunity to kind of share with folks, you know, some of the predicaments that I sometimes find myself in in this professional career of mine.
[159.42] Tommy: Oh, my God.
[160.42] Jack: Yeah.
[161.42] Jack: How how cold it looked cold, but I'm sure it doesn't come over in camera.
[165.42] Jack: Like how cold was it?
[167.42] Tommy: I mean, you know, let me preface this by saying that, first of all, I got that island blood.
[174.42] Tommy: You know, I live by the coast.
[176.42] Tommy: I'm sun flip flops and tank top kind of guy.
[180.42] Tommy: So I get cold very easily is what I'm trying to say here.
[184.42] Tommy: But it wasn't it actually was not that cold.
[188.42] Tommy: Now, on the way there, I had to stop by Anchorage, Alaska.
[192.42] Tommy: And that was ridiculously cold.
[194.42] Tommy: It was like negative two when I landed.
[196.42] Tommy: And then with like the wind chill factor, it was like negative like 10 or 15 or something like that.
[202.42] Tommy: But thankfully, that's not where I needed to film.
[206.42] Tommy: Where I needed to film was actually in a spot called Dutch Harbor, Alaska, Alaska, actually, which is really weird.
[212.42] Tommy: And there it was like the 20s.
[216.42] Tommy: And then it got colder with the wind chill factor and then colder when it snowed.
[220.42] Tommy: So it wasn't incredibly cold, but it was definitely cold for me.
[224.42] Tommy: And being on shore is definitely warmer than being out at sea.
[230.42] Tommy: That was way, way, way, way colder.
[233.42] Tommy: And of course, the snow landing on your face melting and then the wind hitting it and freezing it back up again was not was not fun at all.
[244.42] Jack: Oh, my God, that sounds horrible.
[247.42] Tommy: It was a little miserable.
[250.42] Tommy: You know, I basically packed all my snowboarding gear and just kind of hoped for the best.
[256.42] Tommy: And I mean, more or less, it worked out extra pairs of socks and everything.
[261.42] Tommy: And yeah, it was literally like just double triple on like everything.
[265.42] Tommy: Like it probably took me like 20 minutes just to put clothes on and take clothes off.
[271.42] Tommy: You know, you're walking on kind of like just like this. But, you know, you got to do what you got to do.
[277.42] Jack: That's incredible, man. Also, one of the things that really sort of stuck with me was, you know, when you were getting feedback from the editor guy and he said, like, oh, we can we need a shot of you like panning out.
[293.42] Jack: And I was like, how do you like how do you explain to him, dude, like, you know, we've got an angle and like with the quad and flying backwards, you'll get you just go.
[305.42] Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And well, I'm very, very, very used to that discussion.
[312.42] Tommy: You know, FPV is becoming more prominent, but is absolutely still a very new tool that not very many DPS understand.
[322.42] Tommy: And but, you know, thankfully, once I explained to him, like, look, the way this works is that the camera is fixed to the drone.
[327.42] Tommy: The drone flies like a helicopter and basically the nose of the drone is where the camera is aiming at.
[333.42] Tommy: So whatever I got to do to maneuver the drone to get to that position is what the camera is going to see.
[339.42] Tommy: And it was it was a concept that he understood very quickly.
[344.42] Tommy: But what also helps is you also provide tricks and solutions.
[348.42] Tommy: So in that case, he wanted something that kind of pans out to reveal a city or I think it was the boat harbor at that time.
[357.42] Tommy: And I said, I could do the same thing. You just got to play the clip in reverse.
[360.42] Tommy: And he's like, oh, yeah. So there you go.
[364.42] Tommy: So you just got to be creative in how to get a shot similar to what they want, even if that means doing camera tricks, which is not a new concept in in the movie.
[376.42] Jack: Yeah, cinematography world to get people walking backwards and cars driving.
[382.42] Tommy: Well, you know, I mean, that could be a thing.
[385.42] Tommy: But, you know, in this case, there's not very many people in Dutch Harbor.
[390.42] Tommy: No, I can imagine. Yeah, it's like not very many people like at all.
[396.42] Tommy: So that that wasn't a problem.
[399.42] Jack: The footage, you looked amazing, by the way. And I have only watched about five minutes of the thing you were in with Joshua Bardwell about was it how, you know, becoming professional.
[414.42] Jack: So that was kind of cool. Do you want to tell everyone about that?
[418.42] Tommy: So, yeah, well, I mean, you mean about the interview about just. Yeah.
[424.42] Tommy: So while this is a while back, actually, I don't even I think this is actually even before Alaska.
[430.42] Tommy: But yeah, Bardwell interviewed me just asking me some general questions about being, I guess I always feel weird calling myself a professional FPV pilot because in my head, I'm just playing with toys, man.
[445.42] Tommy: I mean, so I was weird calling it that. But yeah, he just made questions about like what it's like to to do this, you know, to be paid to do this on on set, bigger sets and bigger productions.
[458.42] Tommy: And it's definitely not what it's definitely not what I thought.
[462.42] Tommy: It's really very high stressful environment.
[465.42] Tommy: You got to really know how to go with the flow and perform under pressure.
[469.42] Jack: Yeah, I remember I saw your bit about being like I get up at 6 a.m. and they don't need me to 6 p.m.
[477.42] Jack: I was like, yeah, that sounds like Tommy. You've been legit since then.
[483.42] Jack: Like I remember, you know, that was your OG.
[490.42] Tommy: Anybody who calls them or a gun versus drones or any of that stuff? All right.
[496.42] Jack: You were. I was just like, man, this kid's got balls.
[499.42] Jack: And then they just kind of got even bigger when it came to.
[504.42] Tommy: Well, shoot, you know, I mean, that was kind of the good old days where you could you could get away with doing semi gray area flights.
[513.42] Tommy: Right. I feel like if I were to do that today, I would I would get roasted.
[518.42] Tommy: I just get roasted for being for being irresponsible or pick one of the many, very many names that falls into that category.
[527.42] Jack: Yeah, man. You know, at least were you part of the diving the the bridge in Canada?
[536.42] Tommy: Yeah, that was me.
[540.42] Tommy: That was that was just all me.
[544.42] Tommy: And it was funny, you know, funny little tidbit about that.
[547.42] Tommy: That that was just something we were done filming.
[551.42] Tommy: And I was just like, all right, well, I'm going to go fly for fun now for like my own channel.
[555.42] Tommy: And, you know, it ended up being really cool.
[558.42] Tommy: And Capra was like, we got to put that on the road, right?
[562.42] Tommy: Channel. And I was all like, all right.
[565.42] Tommy: And yeah, and then that sequence of events happened and that was sort of the end from Canada.
[574.42] Tommy: I was banned from Canada temporarily temporarily banned from Canada.
[579.42] Tommy: But once they finished their investigation and they figured really at the end of the day, there was nothing broken, nothing, no rules or anything like that.
[588.42] Tommy: It was all good. Oh, man. You're so lucky.
[592.42] Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, on the flip side, it would have been like, you know, if it went on my channel, would it would it have garnered the same kind of attention?
[603.42] Tommy: Because I like to make the argument that people that follow my channel kind of already know what to expect and wouldn't know.
[611.42] Tommy: They just know what's up.
[615.42] Tommy: But then it ended up being on on the road to right channel and it got a different kind of attention.
[623.42] Jack: I know. For all you snitches, you're going to get stitches.
[628.42] Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
[631.42] Tommy: So those those crazy days are well, I mean, I definitely still have footage that will just never see the light of day.
[641.42] Tommy: But now I kind of get my fix doing it like onset and in production, because now I get to fly in streets and moving cars legally.
[650.42] Tommy: Right. So so I'm getting it. I'm getting it one way or another.
[655.42] Jack: How's how's your gear? Are you still are you still like totally cool with DJI stuff, even though you lost your quads and, you know, I should probably just really expand on that a little bit.
[667.42] Tommy: Like I'm DJI here has been fantastic. And the only reason why I that I lost my video link during that particular shot, we found out later was that there is a lighting system on that boat that communicates on five point eight.
[686.42] Tommy: And it's it's it was a new system that completely just took down like anything flying this guy.
[693.42] Tommy: It actually took a mavic later on in that same day.
[697.42] Tommy: Yeah. The mavic just freaked out and then toilet bowl and then just decided to sink down to the water.
[704.42] Tommy: So, you know, no matter what, it was analog, DJI, digital, whatever.
[711.42] Tommy: It was on five point eight and you were anywhere within the vicinity when it powered on and are communicated.
[716.42] Tommy: It was just going to take you down. So, yeah, not not DJI's fault.
[722.42] Tommy: Not that I'm trying to back up DJI, but I've been very happy with DJI. No, no worries.
[726.42] Jack: I'm glad glad you've kind of figured it out and sorted it.
[731.42] Jack: What flight control are you using now? Have you switched over to Ultra?
[735.42] Tommy: No, I'm I have been with Betaflight and every now and then I dabble over just to just check myself and just see what's new and what's good.
[745.42] Tommy: And like I can always get close to what I like.
[750.42] Tommy: But, you know, just getting to the point where I'm happy with the flight performance just comes so much easier in Betaflight.
[761.42] Tommy: That it's at this point, I'm pretty much sold that it's going to be a very long time before people catch up.
[769.42] Jack: Yeah, no worries. Cool.
[772.42] Jack: What was it going to say? What happened to the I don't know whether you're allowed to talk about this one to the the kiss, whoop board, kiss V2 whoop board you were doing?
[781.42] Tommy: It was. Yeah. So I really wanted that to happen.
[787.42] Tommy: But it was it had to do with licensing and it has to do with licensing and it has to do with just kind of what's happening that I don't want to talk about because at this point I'm so far separated that I don't even know what's going on anymore.
[802.42] Tommy: But there was just a lot of back end things about licensing and who's making the board that was just not panning out.
[811.42] Tommy: So but what I found is that I mean, with Betaflight's features, like especially with the small micros, you know, managing vibrations and frequent resonances is just it's just so much easier to run it.
[824.42] Tommy: It's just a much better experience, in my opinion, on Betaflight.
[828.42] Jack: No worries. All right, man, we'll call it there. But unless you've got anything, have you got anything you're going to release soon if you want to plug it?
[839.42] Tommy: No, well, I am running this campaign where I'm and I'm just calling it a community build.
[847.42] Tommy: And really, at the end of the day, it's the idea is that, you know, whomever is watching the videos can all vote on basically the design and direction of this project.
[862.42] Jack: And it's my mind.
[864.42] Tommy: Yeah, so I kicked it off last Friday by just basically asking the community, like, give me a good use case application.
[872.42] Tommy: So, for example, I want to use it for long range slash like exploration or something that flies for a very long time.
[881.42] Tommy: Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe maybe you just want something that has just the absolute crazy power to weight ratio or, you know, something like that.
[892.42] Tommy: And so I'm going to gather everybody's ideas and inputs and I'm going to put it into a Google Doc sheet that everybody can then vote on.
[899.42] Tommy: And once that happens, you know, let's just say everybody decides on long range. OK, great. So for long range, like I'm going to present what's the next set of like requirements that we need to hit.
[914.42] Tommy: Right. So do we want it to be smaller? Do we want it to be bigger? Do we not care?
[918.42] Tommy: Because all we care about is just how long it flies for. Or maybe we want to fly for a long time, but we also want it to have a little bit of freestyle characteristics.
[927.42] Tommy: Whatever, you know, I'm going to present all these things and basically through each step of the R&D process, everybody gets to watch and everybody gets to decide.
[936.42] Tommy: And the idea is that I present the data. I'll do the testing and show you what I'm finding on my side or my suggestions.
[944.42] Tommy: But then at the end of the day, everybody watching just votes all the way up until the end.
[948.42] Tommy: And because I have the resources now to not have to worry about hitting MOQs or anything like that, you know, even if at the end of the day, 50 people really at the end of the day want this or buy this.
[962.42] Tommy: That's all right with me because it's not like I have to hit like five hundred or a thousand.
[968.42] Jack: It's cool, man. That sounds awesome. Yeah. And I can't wait to get you back on the show. I hope to see you soon.
[976.42] Jack: Yeah. And it's always a pleasure talking to you, man. You're just such a great guy.
[982.42] Tommy: For sure. Yeah. And if anybody wants to participate in that community build that I'm talking about, just go check out my YouTube channel, find the latest video and then just comment.
[993.42] Tommy: Drop in your idea there and then pretty soon I'll be compiling all that and then we'll see where this goes.
[999.42] Tommy: But yeah, other than that, always happy to be here, Jack. So yeah, let's schedule something soon. And we're back. Hello, everyone. Excellent.
[1009.42] Jack: Thanks for filming that, Jack. Yeah. And Cole did put the link in the bottom of the chat.
[1014.42] Jack: I want to go over and look into what Tommy's up to with the community feedback. Please follow the link. Thank you, Cole. Sorry, Stephen.
[1026.42] Jack: And thanks, Tommy. How's your week's been, guys? You all right?
[1033.42] Stephen: Pretty good here. I managed to get out flying and had to rinse off my motors today. Beautiful and sunny, but still a nice solid layer of mud on the ground.
[1043.42] Stephen: So I managed to get a bit of grit in my AOS 3.5, but it's flying well and generally messing around with B to flight 4.3, trying to cajole this H743 all in one to fly.
[1058.42] Stephen: It's it's getting there. It's been an exhausting journey, but I feel we're getting there.
[1063.42] Stephen: And yeah, the new beef flight release is flying an absolute treat. And I have to say the hype is real on Chris Ross's frames. That guy.
[1072.42] Stephen: They all lubed up. Yeah, it's greased up. Yeah, inappropriately.
[1080.42] Stephen: I got some of this really thick grease from Banggood. It's more like glue. You wouldn't really think it was even lubed to look at it like it's so thick that it's it's adhesive.
[1091.42] Stephen: And you have to like wash it off your hands with neat washing up liquid to get get it moving. It's really, really thick. It's worse than engine oil.
[1100.42] Stephen: But I guess it just stops stuff rattling. And that frame has just no vibrations. You can crank everything up just fine and deals with prop wash cuts through the air perfectly.
[1111.42] Stephen: It doesn't rattle or wobble around. It's a nice flyer. I've stripped down my first whatchamacallit DJI air unit as well. My little vista. I made a naked vista.
[1123.42] Stephen: I got a bit worried, but I thought I'd just go for it and seems to have worked okay. So say 10 grams.
[1131.42] Jack: It looks like you could even fit a full vista in there anyway. Oh, you could. I just did this to save 10 grams, because it's a wee bit heavy for a three and a half inch build.
[1142.42] Stephen: I thought it's about the same weight as my four inch build, which is more of a kind of what's right there.
[1149.42] Stephen: The four inch builds like this, just a toothpick on a, you know, X frame, single piece frame. And this one's only three and a half, but they weigh about the same.
[1159.42] Stephen: So it was that guy was actually 10 grams lighter than that one. So I wanted to get that down. So they're both sub two fifties with a 750 mile for us. And now they are so good.
[1172.42] Jack: What about you, Curry? You know, I saw you had some wing action, I think.
[1177.42] Curry: I had a bit of wing action in the high wind, which was not too much fun, but I did manage to get iNav seemingly working. The auto launch worked anyway.
[1188.42] Curry: It was only it was only tricky because I did my first I intended to do a couple of laps line of sight. So I was like flying into the wind, it's going well, we're turning around. And then the wind called it and it's like, boom, so I'm like, oh, it's gone behind me.
[1199.42] Curry: That's not good. And then I had to get the goggles on pretty quick. But yeah, it was really, it was really windy. I had another quad I'd replaced a flight control on my little quiller.
[1211.42] Curry: And that wasn't getting any sats. And I checked it today. And Caroline's saying, you're welcome. Caroline was my inspiration for just doing auto launch, because whenever I see Caroline's maiden, she's just like, I'm just going to auto launch it.
[1226.42] Curry: Occasionally, she does mess it up. And she's accidentally touched the sticks or something and it cancels also launch. And she goes, we plop. But yeah, mine worked well. And it's worth doing.
[1238.42] Curry: It is some wings, not that one, particularly can be pretty tricky to launch. So if you can get both hands on them, and like do a proper overhead or take a run up, it's much better than having to do your normal like one sort of throttle stick and that that side throwing and stuff.
[1257.42] Curry: But yeah, my other my other quad I was testing that day, GPS wasn't locking any satellites, I was looking at today, and I put like a battery isolator on the GPS, so I could just pair the GPS, you see it get a lock, plug the quad in, boom, and it just loses the lock instantly, which I thought that's interesting.
[1278.42] Curry: Because the only thing I've swapped here is the flight controller. So I'm trying to get some comments back from my friend at rush FPV. It's very nice flight controller, but not so good. It would seem if you have a GPS, what's your favorite GPS? I saw you are scoring something like 22 satellites, which is pretty good going.
[1295.42] Curry: Yeah, it's so easy on a on a wing, though, because I can put the GPS like a mile away. It's not like a quad, right? Yeah, it's like that.
[1306.42] Stephen: I was thinking I don't have more than 12 or 14. How's he getting 22?
[1310.42] Jack: Yeah, I'm also with I know if you can add on us or whatever, you know, the Russian.
[1318.42] Curry: Because the GPS is here. And the closest electronics is like, over a foot away over here. I mean, this server, but that doesn't do much. So yeah, that's why that locks in so well. It's like it's not it's not near to anything. If you could do that, of course, you'd be laughing.
[1337.42] Stephen: The way you spoke about it in your video, I got the impression you don't use I now and this was a first try.
[1345.42] Curry: Pretty much, I did a couple of conflicts before, but not very successfully. I had I now if you watched, I did this 2.6 meter glider where I never sat up on it and seemed to be okay. But what had happened is I didn't realize that the tail needs to be screwed on.
[1365.42] Curry: So halfway through flying it, somebody noticed that the retail, which should be like this, was now like that. And then my friend there, Rob, who we've had on the show before, said, Do you want me to land it? I can land it line of sight.
[1379.42] Curry: And I'm like, Oh, yeah, you go ahead, because I'm not a great line of sight pilot. And we want to we want to check make sure it doesn't work. Make sure nothing bad happens. Give him the radio. And he's like, Okay, come on in and just
[1391.42] Curry: spirals down. Explained in a bunch of bits. I was like, Okay, I'm glad I gave that to you, Rob. And then the just like drop the radio and walk off at that point, like you're done with done is I don't worry, just you just get a bit of carbon fiber, sort that out. It's everywhere.
[1412.42] Curry: Yeah, I put it on this other wing, it was, it was by the same guys that made the mini race wing, which was a real bitch to launch. But this other wing was slightly easier to launch. And everything looked set up right. I thought I'd done that all the checks. So I eventually launched it after launching it to ground about 50 times, because it's only got a very small five inch prop, because it spins it really quickly. But it means you've got to get some speed behind it when you throw it as soon as it's going fast.
[1442.42] Curry: You're okay, but the launch is difficult. But got that in the air. And I flicked on in half to like angle or whatever. And it's flying along fine. I'm flying manually switched to angle. It just flips upside down and just told us position perfectly upside down. I was like, Ah, I've done, I've done something wrong here.
[1461.42] Curry: I've, I've accidentally made a invert flight switch instead of anything else. And that, that one seemed to pop a 50 amp ESC when I was giving it full beans. Fortunately, I was I was high enough to glide it back to the field I was in. I hadn't done it since. But so this was my first proper INF build. But I did, I did use basically the crib sheets from painless. I watched painless is videos on setting up like a version three or four INF build.
[1489.42] Curry: It has some really good stuff in it, because it did explain about what stuff like auto trim is, and why you'd use when how to use auto level and auto tune. And it had some of his CLI settings for the auto launch, which I used a whole bunch of so as as fairly confident, you know, I'd done some bits in the garden. So I could check that surface was reacting properly.
[1514.42] Curry: I did make sure it was the right way up and everything.
[1516.42] Curry: Yeah, I did this fake launch where I basically, basically arm it because auto launch is always on, you put the throttle to fall, and it sort of starts up and then I wanted to check as I move the wing because it, it senses the g force or the acceleration that it had and suggest you're launching.
[1532.42] Curry: And then it fires the throttle up full. So I checked that was okay. And I was like, Oh, it's fine. After that point, if, and you know, you can get back on the sticks pretty quickly. And I'm quite used to just throwing a wing, having it going at a very weird angle and having to get it back quickly whilst I've got the goggles on. So doing it line of sight.
[1549.42] Stephen: Can you do that with a quad and have it just so you like throw up in the air and at the apogee of the throw it just like throttles up and hovers there. That'd be pretty cool.
[1559.42] Curry: I like the thing you could just turn it on and do that. We should try that. Just get someone to throw in, someone else arms it.
[1569.42] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, you could have it so there's like an auto launch, but it doesn't spin in your hand. It just spins like a, you know, the middle of the trajectory, the apogee, like when it, it's weightless, and then it starts spinning there. So just like, throw up and then just hover and stay there instead of falling back down again.
[1588.42] Curry: I think it'd be fun, but often finding a launch point for a quad is not a problem, is it? Because it's like, it's small and it just goes straight up as opposed to.
[1597.42] Stephen: It'd just be a cool trick when you're at the field, like everyone else is kind of, you know, getting things out and you just like take your quad out of the bag with the battery on and just throw it in the air.
[1606.42] Curry: That could work. That'd be nice. But just to demonstrate how windy it was, my brother-in-law, it's his farm I'm flying on. He wanted me to do some aerial photos of this barn because he wants to do planning permission.
[1620.42] Curry: And when we were in the sort of the yard of the farm, it felt quite sort of calm because the wind is elsewhere. It's like we're protected. And I got the, I had my little mavic air with me, which is, you know, it's not tiny, the mavic air.
[1635.42] Curry: It's not like the, is it mavic air? Yeah, mavic air. It's not like the mavic mini, which is absolutely tiny. But as we started going up, it's like, oh yeah, a bit higher and get that bit.
[1644.42] Curry: It's like suddenly I'm like, I'm looking down and it's like, I'm not looking at the farm anymore. And that's because the wind had got it and it was just going away in a way in a way.
[1651.42] Curry: And I was like, put the stick all the way forward and it's just kept going further away. So I was like, oh, I'll just pop it and return home. No, kept going away.
[1661.42] Curry: So I had to put it in sport mode so I could get enough lean on the quad to actually bring it forwards to land it again. So it's, it's quite not nasty out there. I'm looking forward to better weather soon.
[1674.42] Curry: What about you, Jack? Did you get up in the air at all?
[1677.42] Jack: No, no, I've had, I've had a car malarkey this week and I haven't been feeling that great. I did win a, an eBay auction though for a, I think people might recognize it, a KK2HC, which is a hard case.
[1705.42] Jack: So this does the KK2HC without the, without the screen.
[1711.42] Curry: I don't think I've ever heard of it before you mentioned it before. I just always assumed that all KK2HCs had proper screens with them.
[1720.42] Jack: So I'm going to take this one that's broken and float the chip off this one and put it on the 30 by 30. And that way we could slightly go even further in the past.
[1733.42] Jack: But am I right in thinking was KK after multi-weave or before?
[1739.42] Curry: The, the KK, the original KK was before multi-weave. The KK2 I think was after.
[1748.86] Stephen: Sorry, I see.
[1750.86] Stephen: I was, I was wondering if you're going to go into antiques restoration after all this.
[1754.86] Jack: I'm not far off, not far off. And I've done, I've, I've had a bit of a mare this week. I, you know how I bought the happy model receivers with the open LRS.
[1770.86] Jack: I proceeded to destroy my Taranis. The buttons went in and you know, the usual Taranis, you press the buttons, they get a bit sticky, press really hard.
[1783.86] Jack: And the buttons went inside and the spine of it was just totally broken.
[1791.86] Jack: And then I had to order, like had to nab a new case and then tightening the, you know, the transmitter neck strap.
[1804.86] Jack: I've managed to snap the bolt off that. So that, I've had to order one from bloody America, you know, trying to tighten it up.
[1815.86] Stephen: Is it a special bolt or something?
[1817.86] Jack: Well, it's the, you know, it's just the, you know, the eyelet where the transmitter goes.
[1823.86] Stephen: You've just stripped the thread out.
[1825.86] Stephen: Yeah.
[1827.86] Stephen: Yeah. Just don't know your own strength, mate.
[1830.86] Jack: I just, you know, like some people just have this one, you know, like one mode destroy. I was in that mode where I wish I.
[1839.86] Stephen: You just applied 25% too much force to everything and it all goes a bit wrong.
[1844.86] Jack: Yeah. Presented by Jack Dickens. And yeah, I know.
[1850.86] Curry: One interesting fact that is you fall over in the same verbal trap that I do. I often say, and I've noticed in some videos and I just ignore it.
[1858.86] Curry: I was like someone who complained about it, but whatever. The amount of times I've accidentally said open LRS instead of express LRS, which you just.
[1865.86] Curry: Which is a valid project, but a totally different project.
[1868.86] Curry: Which is an old open source 433 project from many years ago.
[1872.86] Curry: But yeah, the other thing I keep falling over is, is apparently is saying F GPA instead of F PGA, which several people have picked up.
[1881.86] Stephen: Yeah. Like six times in one video. I was practically shouting at you after the fourth time.
[1886.86] Curry: I know. I know. It's just, it's, it's not like if I said it out loud, it's like, yeah, yeah. Programmable Gatorade, obviously.
[1893.86] Curry: It would be fine. But as soon as you get into the verbal thing of saying it, it becomes a thing.
[1901.86] Curry: My wife tries to tell people we have an electric car now. She keeps saying we have an electric guitar, which confuses many people because they're wondering what she's talking about and why is that relevant to the conversation they're having about cars at the time.
[1912.86] Frank: But it's just one of those weird things.
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[1940.86] Stephen: Blue Alice here. Oh, hello. Well, blue girl wonder where she's got to our travels and there's Mads as well.
[1948.86] Stephen: We hurry kitchen is also a popular channel.
[1953.86] Curry: It sounds like something I would watch. It sounds like an awesome cookery show about Curry. It sounds awesome.
[1959.86] Stephen: It sounds like maybe a channel you do on the side every now and then.
[1963.86] Curry: I wish. I just don't have the patience to cook stuff. Also don't have any time.
[1969.86] Stephen: They stole. I stole Jack's idea. How very dare they take an idea that was six years old and make a video about it.
[1980.86] Curry: Cole, our resident Canadian, is saying, Jack, what about you being Mr. DJI now, huh?
[1986.86] Curry: So I've got no idea what you're on about that you have now caved and you've bought a pair of DJI Googles.
[1995.86] Jack: Is this correct? I'm got a receiver. So, yeah, that could just mean you stole them. Yeah.
[2006.39] Jack: Yeah, I need to I need to get one. How are you blue owl? Where are you? Where in the world are you desperately trying to change the subject?
[2015.39] Stephen: Which exciting place is blue owl currently? And yeah, so you're going to make a very retro quad.
[2021.39] Stephen: But when it gets the video, it's just going to be crisp 720p 60 digitally transmitted.
[2026.39] Stephen: They'd be able to see every minute oscillation and irregularity of that flight controller, which is perhaps the best way to experience it.
[2038.6] Curry: You won't be losing any of those foibles. Why are you keeping so quiet about your DJI purchases, Jack? Are you embarrassed?
[2044.6] Stephen: Is it being like, cool coming out of an antique stealer? Yeah, it'd be like a wine connoisseur admitting they went to buy a bottle in Tesco's can't do that.
[2054.6] Stephen: Yeah. Oh, in related news, because we have news, I noticed Bardwell finally put out his 4.3 tuning video.
[2066.6] Stephen: And it was all going really well. And he covered almost everything. And he got to the bit where he was doing feed forward.
[2071.6] Stephen: And he started to stop at that point because the end of his bell fell off.
[2079.6] Stephen: It wasn't using unibell motors. And they just disassembled themselves.
[2085.6] Stephen: So I guess the motto is be careful when flying B to flight 4.3 because your bellend may fall off.
[2093.6] Stephen: So just a public service announcement there.
[2097.6] Curry: I quite like that.
[2100.6] Curry: I haven't been keeping up very well. Is 4.3 actually released now, not just...
[2105.6] Stephen: They've got RC3, RC4 about to drop.
[2108.6] Curry: So it's still release candidate.
[2110.6] Stephen: Yeah, chewing through RCs. Pretty much everything works unless you're in a niche now.
[2114.6] Stephen: Like if you've got an F411 that isn't running ELRS or you've got an F405 or an F7, it's all golden.
[2121.6] Stephen: If you've got an H7, it's a little bit flaky. And if you've got one of these new combined boards with an F411 and embedded SPI connected,
[2129.6] Stephen: Express LRS receiver, it's a bit flaky. But outside of that, it's fine.
[2136.2] Curry: Because I saw that Express LRS is released 2.3, but I haven't looked to see what's new in there.
[2142.2] Stephen: They just added the final release of the backpack, didn't they? I think on that one.
[2146.2] Stephen: So the backpack's now 1.0 and they incorporated a HD0 support to the backpack.
[2153.2] Stephen: So now it covers the whole gamut of tunable video options, analog and HD0.
[2160.2] Stephen: Obviously, we're not going to see DJI because DJI just don't give a damn anymore.
[2166.2] Stephen: But it's nice the HD0 of common board. You have to open it up and you solder onto the back.
[2172.2] Stephen: It looks a bit of a fiddly soldering operation. I'd like to get the 5-volt power you've got soldered to the end of a pretty small resistor, but it's doable.
[2182.48] Curry: Caroline's talking about Mayon High being a manned drone pilot on the thing.
[2191.48] Stephen: The first season was unmanned because this is a death trap and co, isn't it?
[2196.48] Curry: Well, yeah, we examined their soldering on this show, having looked at some of that safety inspection from the crash, and it looked worse than if I'd done it, quite frankly.
[2209.48] Curry: It was really nasty, wasn't it?
[2212.48] Jack: It was like Tony had done it with his mouth.
[2217.48] Curry: Except it would have been safe with Tony because he would have used gaffer tape.
[2222.48] Stephen: The X-T60, where the circuit board had the outline of an X-T60, and it was rotated 180 degrees and then soldered on the other way.
[2230.48] Stephen: So many things were not good about it.
[2233.48] Jack: What are they called? Component markers, I think what it is? Outline?
[2242.48] Jack: Silkscreen?
[2243.48] Jack: Yeah, Silkscreen. They are Silkscreen. It was just horrendous, man. I don't envy anyone who wants to.
[2253.48] Stephen: I'm pretty sure they said the first season is without people in the craft.
[2257.48] Stephen: The first season is like, let's get the tech problems out of the way. I don't think there's going to be anyone in there.
[2263.48] Stephen: They've managed to land it in someone's farm and weren't able to fail safe, and they punched it up into commercial airspace, completely lost controls.
[2271.48] Stephen: They seem like a bunch of muppets, really, but yeah, she's gone off to apparently move to Australia to do that as well from the sound of it.
[2280.86] Stephen: So definitely they've persuaded her that it's safe and going to work.
[2285.86] Curry: Quick straw poll to people in the chat and you guys here.
[2290.86] Curry: One of the reasons I like to fly FPV is because it's stuff that I wouldn't do in a full-size plane.
[2298.86] Curry: I just want to do dangerous stuff, not dangerous to people, like flying around trees in a full-size plane would be insane.
[2307.86] Curry: I know a lot of people fly FPV with aspirations of getting into full-size, like paramotoring or flying or gliding or whatever.
[2316.86] Curry: It's not for me at all. So when someone talks about going in a manned quad, especially one with that sort of build quality, I get a bit worried.
[2327.86] Curry: The guys out there and amongst you guys, is flying full-size stuff something you aspire to or are you very happy in just playing with the toys?
[2337.86] Stephen: I quite like to fly someone else around in a quad and then do snap rolls and see if I could get them to vomit while doing a snap roll, just to see what it looked like.
[2347.86] Curry: So just a psychopath.
[2353.86] Stephen: More toys, more fun.
[2354.86] Stephen: No, I'm not really interested in it. Manned stuff, like if I'm flying manned, I'd probably just want to get from A to B, like driving a car isn't enjoyable.
[2366.86] Stephen: I often think, why isn't this car not just autonomous so I could read a book?
[2370.86] Jack: Didn't MythBusters make a vomit comet chair where they blindfold you and they've got tennis balls on it or something?
[2383.86] Jack: They spin you one way and you just instantly throw up for emotion sickness?
[2390.86] Stephen: It sounds like something that would do, certainly.
[2394.86] Stephen: Don't you find that the more you fly FPV, the less susceptible to motion sickness you get?
[2401.86] Curry: I don't know, I'm sure.
[2404.86] Curry: The less scared I get, for example, my daughter who is just starting to learn to drive, I let her drive me home from the shop the other day.
[2412.86] Curry: And despite it being a little bit dodgy, I was perfectly fine. She congratulated me for being so calm.
[2419.86] Curry: She expected me to be very angry and tightly wound and stuff.
[2423.86] Curry: I'm like, fine, you didn't hit any trees and stuff like that.
[2427.86] Curry: It's like getting through, if you can get through an FPV flight where you don't hit some branches, it's fine.
[2432.86] Curry: And it's kind of like, I said, you didn't hit any trees, you didn't hit any people.
[2437.86] Curry: Good overall, we landed in terms that we parked, we slightly overshot, just like an FPV landing, but it was good enough for me.
[2445.86] Curry: So I think FPV makes you more tolerant of danger.
[2452.86] Jack: Yeah, especially when you first start, you are literally, when you're a newbie and you haven't had any external input from someone who's been doing FPV or RC for many years,
[2468.86] Jack: you do just stick your hand in the props and fly where you shouldn't.
[2474.86] Jack: You're just so excited, you don't really think about everything, you just want to fly constantly.
[2486.86] Stephen: Run through a couple of the comments that we've got in the chat here, because we've got a fair few people commenting.
[2492.86] Stephen: Andrew slash Frank is saying he's happy not to be physically at risk from his flying, which I think is a good sentiment.
[2500.86] Stephen: You know, if you do crash, you're not going to break a leg unless you fly into yourself.
[2505.86] Stephen: Limited conditions in which if you crash, you hurt yourself.
[2509.86] Stephen: Audiogec FPV, I fly because it's stress relieving, flying in a full-size one or controlling one would probably result in the opposite.
[2517.86] Stephen: Someone else, Grumpy RC Flyer, can't fly scared of heights, have you seen the way the wings flap on a plane?
[2527.86] Stephen: Or Flex.
[2529.86] Stephen: Yeah, Flex is probably, well, yeah, it's either a joke or yes, I guess the wings do probably wobble a whole bunch, but you don't notice.
[2536.86] Stephen: That would make for a good VTOL jet, wouldn't it?
[2538.86] Curry: But yeah, if you're if you're sat near the the wings of like a commercial jet, there is quite a lot of movement.
[2546.86] Curry: Of course, they have to move because Elsa River Park, but they still like wave about quite a distance.
[2553.86] Curry: I know that there's people who don't want those window seats because they don't want to look at that.
[2557.86] Curry: They don't want to look at that.
[2560.86] Stephen: And Namaskal continues, I'm very glad FPV isn't manned with my flying capabilities and Lurgy happy with my feet on the ground.
[2569.86] Stephen: It's not so painful when you hit a tree.
[2571.86] Stephen: This is something that has been brought up in the past of, oh, yeah, there has to be all this legislation for RC aircraft because your life isn't at risk.
[2581.86] Stephen: And if your life was at risk, you'd be more careful.
[2584.86] Stephen: And yet the stories that come out of light aircraft aviation, especially in the United States, there are just Harrison Ford is not a statistical outlier here.
[2594.86] Stephen: People do stupid things and light aircraft.
[2598.86] Stephen: Yeah, I think we should remember that.
[2600.86] Stephen: It's not going to make people be sensible all of a sudden, just like there's bad drivers on the roads.
[2607.86] Stephen: There's definitely bad flyers and aircraft.
[2609.86] Jack: I remember being Hidden Valley and the years that we were allowed to be there.
[2617.86] Jack: You know, you spend quite a lot, many hours in a field and randomly every now and again, there'll be someone who flies out there and practices aerobatics in a full size aircraft in the middle of the valley.
[2632.86] Jack: And, you know, that yeah, that was like a real thing.
[2636.86] Jack: And we were just like, what? So, yeah, people do do stuff.
[2642.86] Jack: And, you know, I got to witness that.
[2645.86] Curry: Interesting mention in that list of reasons there about people doing it to relieve stress.
[2653.2] Curry: We've mentioned a few times about how it really seems to help people, any sort of mental health problems.
[2661.2] Curry: FPV can seemingly really help just getting out there and being able to let it all go and put it into a couple of packs is the way to many people's happiness.
[2673.2] Stephen: Yeah, definitely a good thing.
[2676.2] Stephen: Good reason to get outside as well if you're not into your outdoor exercising, especially this time of year when the world is full of mud.
[2684.2] Stephen: Kind of need a reason to go and stand in the field, don't you? And it's nice to have something fun to do.
[2689.2] Curry: Yeah, especially when it's all blowy.
[2692.2] Curry: Although the man, I met two guys in the field. One was doing metal detecting.
[2697.2] Curry: And I was like, you didn't see a GPS around here, do you? I think I was at the other week.
[2701.2] Curry: And another guy was just going past with his dog and I was explaining what I was doing.
[2705.2] Curry: And he's like, you can't fly that way. You lose it.
[2707.2] Curry: And I was like, I already flew the plane. It was fine.
[2709.2] Curry: But he was just talking about the buzzards in the sky and saying there are a couple of types of eagles just reintroduced the Isle of Wight.
[2718.2] Curry: And he said, occasionally, they come over and they sort of circle up like half a mile and then they just come and swipe or something off the ground.
[2730.2] Curry: He's like, he's only got little dogs. He's like, I keep having to put my app.
[2734.2] Curry: So look out for eagles if you have if you're a small dog owner on the south coast of England, they'll get you.
[2742.2] Jack: Didn't someone lose a chihuahua that that happened like a like in America, some sort of it could happen.
[2751.2] Curry: Some of the eagles are absolutely like giant and their talent like, you know, the bald eagle, the American one's actually one of the smaller and weaker eagles.
[2762.2] Stephen: But some of them get really large, especially in like Peru and countries.
[2765.2] Curry: Happy eagle, I think is one of the biggest. They sort of, you know, it's like, oh, there's a monkey. They all have that.
[2771.2] Stephen: Yeah. Well, around where my parents live, there's a load of kites, the bird, not the not the wind propelled aircraft.
[2781.2] Stephen: And yeah, people leave out stuff in their gardens, whether it's for them or for other animals.
[2786.2] Stephen: I don't know. But you every now and then see one of them just cut cut its wings in and just bomb down and come up with a bit of meat or something at someone's garden.
[2793.2] Stephen: They've left out leave out chicken with eyes and stuff.
[2798.2] Curry: Weirdly enough, a quick tip for anybody who wants to film red kites and maybe buzzards as well.
[2804.2] Curry: They're very similar looking, but ones that the tails slightly different on one than the other is if a fields being ploughed despite like red kites like being able to take out rabbits and stuff.
[2814.2] Curry: If it feels being ploughed, you will get a line of kites following it along just picking out the insects, although they're big birds.
[2822.2] Curry: You will get loads of them. So if you get your your cinewoop down there following a tractor along, it's a good excuse to film them.
[2830.2] Stephen: Nice. Yeah, they're pretty cool. It's nice to see them just hang in there in the thermals.
[2834.2] Stephen: Ah, yes, he's posted the review to the AAIB report on airspeed as incident, which was a very near miss. I think it landed quite close to someone's house.
[2848.18] Jack: God, that is terrifying.
[2851.82] Stephen: Yeah, I hope they've learned. But the fact that they started out with levels of safety that were slightly worse than what I had when I started building like two inch micro quads does worry me a bit.
[2866.82] Stephen: Like they're doing this with something that's 50 kilos and they can't understand how to rig up a fail safe. Let's just boggle the mind a little bit.
[2879.27] Stephen: Look at people who build X class and the amount of care and concern they put into those things is huge. And then these airspeed people look like they'd spent more time on their canopy than they had on their safety features, which was.
[2892.27] Stephen: Yeah, it's not good. Not good at all.
[2896.27] Jack: Kerry, what else have you been up to? Any reviews? Anything?
[2901.27] Curry: Yeah, I've been trying to finish some reviews, but some stuff's not been working. I had a quite not very exciting review of a sort of high powered roboty car thing.
[2912.27] Curry: And then the Aquila that I was trying to fly for doing something with a flight controller, but nothing.
[2922.27] Curry: Just looking to see what I've got there. Nothing particularly exciting coming up. I was I was more about going back to some other projects like I've got this. Where are we?
[2933.27] Stephen: I can't find it. This board hosting a video I found off this Polestar car, which is a car that launches a drone out of the back because reason is never going to happen. Yeah.
[2946.27] Curry: This this is a combination Express LRS receiver with a VTX, which I'm trying to install in this loop, which means I have to take the entire thing out, which is a pain in the butt and seeing if this thing then fits back in it.
[2964.27] Stephen: So I've got bits and pieces on the go. This just looks like nothing. Nothing says I'm a big poser. I mean, you buy a Lamborghini, you look like a bit of a but nothing really says I'm a big poser like buying a car that includes the facility to photograph itself built into the car.
[2984.27] Curry: Like you have to be a massive poser to do that. It's just not going to happen, though, is it? Because it's like just legislation wise, you can't have a quad that suddenly launches. Maybe if you're driving in the middle of Africa or somewhere where there's essentially no laws covering this. I don't know. You'd have to be pretty far out of the way.
[3005.27] Stephen: Yeah, it's probably in Saudi Arabia, isn't it?
[3008.27] Curry: Caroline's Caroline's saying total marketing hype. I think he's absolutely right. I don't know what we could do, but it's not going to happen.
[3020.27] Stephen: Meanwhile, in other other news, the people everyone loves to hate have produced another radio.
[3028.27] Stephen: This is a guy who've come up with the radio that no one no one wanted free sky. Yeah, OK, maybe this is an a new X light with a three and a half inch sliding touchscreen.
[3044.27] Stephen: Whoa, they can evidently, you know, just like a PSP go, doesn't it? There's no lanyard to attach the thing to your neck, but there is 2D pads in a sliding touchscreen. So I think, you know, kind of who their audience is for this. And this is a tandem radio.
[3063.27] Stephen: The cool part here is it's not just F R sky because everyone knows that's not getting the hype these days. So we now have the F R sky twin module, which is both Express LRS and D 16, the combination that no one was asking for.
[3083.27] Curry: Don't forget access, because that's what all the cool kids use. Oh, yeah. Access the people who've accidentally upgraded their firmware and can't downgrade.
[3090.27] Stephen: That's the choice of that few poor people. Yeah, I might as well rip a module out of my who uses access anyway. Yeah, so access came after ACST, right? That's the new one.
[3106.27] Curry: The two point X version is access and the one point X version is AC. No, no, no, no. The two point whatever version is still ACST access is a different protocol again, which didn't catch on.
[3117.27] Jack: Which didn't catch on. Can't even keep up with it. Yeah. And didn't they find a bug that never affected anyone and it was just a way to be really mean and I found a bug that caused a twitch and apparently caused a twitch, which could result in loss of I said loss of control, but it's just like a servo twitch.
[3136.27] Stephen: And instead of just fixing the bug, they forced everyone to upgrade to a non backwards compatible version of the firmware. Instead of just, you know, patching the existing firmware, which they could have done.
[3148.27] Stephen: They just used it. Oh, yeah, that's why you need to totally change the system that's incompatible with all your whoops and everything. I'm sure people will buy it. I mean, they must have done their research either that or this company is just, I think they're just desperate.
[3163.52] Curry: I don't know anybody that's like, Oh, new Free Sky Radio because they've, they went from absolute pinnacle of everything they could do no wrong to these guys are the worst. Let's try something else. And then all the other radio manufacturers jumped in very easy to steal the thunder and the way Free Sky fought back was just to piss everybody else off more and they're like just added fuel to the fire and dug their own grave.
[3191.52] Stephen: Really old. Yeah, I've, I've seen a lot of people running weird and wonderful radios, you know, trawling through these Express LRS forums, and I'm not seeing anyone running this ethos, which is a fast guy following up to open TX.
[3205.52] Stephen: They appear to have the toys are fully out of the pram at this point, because not content we're trying to steer open TX development by inserting their own paid for developers and gatekeeping the development using that method.
[3217.52] Stephen: They've now moved entirely away from open TX and have ethos, which does less than open TX did, but runs on the new hardware, which, again, no one asked for. So they basically said they're not going to be supporting these old radios it's all ethos at this point.
[3238.52] Jack: It's pretty confusing. Anyway, it's horrendous. It's an easy just me or was a SPI like, you know, Free Sky underscore x mode completely for whoops.
[3254.52] Jack: You just fail safe.
[3256.52] Stephen: There's a long running RC group thread. I think that's largely due to the fact that everyone corner cuts on those SPI receivers. Yeah, there's a long running thread about how it would just randomly fail safe when you're flying past your knee or something.
[3269.52] Curry: Well, it started off where if you ran Free Sky X, then it would overload the flight controller, and the flight controller would just lock up, you wouldn't even get RX loss.
[3280.52] Curry: It would just like, oh, I frozen it would be like, just brain free is literally freezing and just oh, and then recover. But in that two seconds, you've already crashed into a tree.
[3290.52] Curry: But at best, there were a couple of guys that put proper receivers in I've got one of the Emacs freestyle little two inch quads, and they put a proper sized receiver on their SPI and you can get about 300 meters out of it.
[3308.52] Curry: And that was kind of the idea. But flying, I was flying inside because I was testing. I was testing one of the beat FPV radios, which are particularly good. And I was flying from here, flying downstairs in the loop into the conservatory and it would fail safe in the conservatory.
[3325.52] Curry: Which is, you know, to be fair, it's through a couple of floors. And because it was the beat FPV radio, I'm holding it like this. And essentially the wire is like that. So it's like no point.
[3338.52] Stephen: I fly with a Terennis, it's okay. But I can, I can fail safe my whips flying them. I'm upstairs here. And if I fly out down the stairs, and then go to the other side of the house, I will fail safe.
[3353.52] Stephen: Like, I'm just, even on 200 milliwatt, I'll start to get video break up and fail safe. But that's because I've got loads of wiring running through the wall, I think, on anything else. Yeah.
[3362.52] Curry: I think it was it was a nice idea. But you just didn't have the proper hardware, at least the Express LRS ones I've seen either have the little ceramic tower antenna or a proper antenna. And they will obviously work a lot better because at the end of the day, you're not after miles of range, you just want, you know, within a field, or within
[3383.52] Stephen: you're standing in the same room as you're running through like a little whoop racing course, you're fine. That that that's the use case, really, if you're flying through a wall or outside, it's probably you could probably say, oh, well, whoops aren't really designed for that.
[3400.52] Stephen: But maybe make the argument.
[3404.52] Curry: Yeah, it's kind of fair, but at least I feel like SPI in sort of the free sky stuff is hopefully dead and buried now and like SPI in the future is just gonna be Express RS because everything seems to be Express RS.
[3419.52] Curry: Is this right? What Frank said? Why that the no, I don't think I don't think that's what it's saying. I think it's saying the module could run Express LRS or D 16. Or I think you read stuff.
[3434.52] Stephen: Yeah, he actually did read what I put on screen. Let me just do this again. It does say that please for the audio listeners.
[3446.52] Stephen: Why TF, would you want a receiver that runs to 2.4 protocols and parallel and from the marketing blurb here, we can clearly see it boasts a 3.5 inch sliding touchscreen angled five degrees towards the user for greater ease of use rounded hand grips with comfortable
[3465.52] Stephen: design for standard trims with two extra trims twin 2.4 G RF module running on the ethos support for RF protocol and then highly resilient RF module providing dual 2.4 gig signals working together.
[3490.52] Stephen: Simultaneously together, not just individually together, but working simultaneously together, which is double together.
[3498.52] Stephen: I think that just means it's got diversity. I don't think it means it runs FR skirt at the same time as Express LRS because surely even if our sky aren't quite that bad, are they?
[3509.52] Curry: You'd hope not, but who can tell?
[3511.52] Jack: Yeah, the train says it specifically said receiver.
[3516.52] Curry: Why would you buy a receiver that did two protocols? It's like, oh, I might want to fly it differently today. It's like, come on, just stick with one. I might want to choose a different radio to fly it with.
[3527.52] Stephen: It says dual 2.4 gig receivers, but I thought that just means diversity when they say dual. I mean, there's just no reason to run two different protocols because each is going to have different framing.
[3540.52] Stephen: So you get different latency from each protocol. It's just going to be like a disaster zone, isn't it?
[3551.52] Jack: Have you got a price for it by any chance?
[3554.52] Stephen: Someone said they asked for one, but couldn't get a price. I think that was its blunt. He mentioned it said that he'd asked, but they had enough of price yet.
[3562.52] Jack: Should we call it there, guys?
[3567.22] Curry: I guess so. We'd be going a whole hour.
[3570.22] Jack: Yeah. Stephen, by the way, excellent news topics and stuff. Thank you very much.
[3576.22] Stephen: Cheers. Thanks.
[3578.22] Stephen: And if anyone has anything they want us to talk about, please hop onto Discord and there is a news and topic contribution thread.
[3586.22] Stephen: Chuck what you find interesting in there and we will feature it. Thank you.
[3590.22] Jack: And you can, if you do really, really well, send you stickers.
[3597.22] Jack: Also, I upgraded my extraction system.
[3604.22] Jack: So if anyone wants my old soldering extractor comes with curry kitten stickers and that message me on Discord and the postage, you can have it.
[3619.22] Stephen: You've got the sophisticated option. That's my soldering extraction system.
[3624.22] Stephen: It's a PC fan with a USB to 12 volt power adapter currently snaked around a quad.
[3632.22] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Throw Now. You've been joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[3637.22] Jack: Goodbye. The lovable Stephen.
[3641.22] Jack: Cheers. Bye.
[3643.22] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly. Thank you. Good night.
[3647.22] Jack: Good night.