=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 344 ===
Title: LDO 344 - The Real One
Recorded: 2022-03-31
Hosts: Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,330
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0rZNG3pa_4); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1243180483-letsdroneout-ldo-344-the-real-one.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to.
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos.
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[18.0] Jack: Sam Dahmer.
[20.0] Jack: Mikey Dread.
[22.0] Tony: On with the show.
[24.0] Tony: Let's Drone Out now.
[54.64] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[57.64] Jack: You were joined by everyone's favorite Curry Kitten.
[60.64] Jack: Hello.
[61.64] Jack: The man with the mustache.
[63.64] Jack: Hello.
[64.64] Jack: Our lord and master who's left us and abandoned us. Andrew Seth Frank.
[69.64] Jack: I don't know what you're talking about.
[71.64] Jack: And my darling wife who's got a new patio.
[76.64] Tony: Decking actually.
[78.64] Jack: Is it decking?
[80.64] Jack: Okay.
[82.64] Jack: Fair enough.
[84.64] Jack: Sorry. And I'm bright until I fly. Hello and welcome.
[89.64] Jack: So this is a kind of hangout chat.
[93.64] Jack: There was foreseeable errors with the time zones as such.
[100.64] Jack: So we kind of didn't get that.
[103.64] Curry: Let's not call them foreseeable errors.
[105.64] Curry: Surely they were unforeseen errors because if we saw them then we should have fixed it before we tried going live.
[111.64] Stephen: Do you want to know what you've done with your hair tonight Jack?
[114.64] Jack: Nothing. It's just a headband to push it back.
[116.64] Jack: Oh no. I've got a headband on. There you go.
[120.64] Stephen: Don't worry. He's telling you to lynch the beast.
[123.64] Jack: Not better.
[124.64] Tony: I don't think it's like better.
[127.64] Jack: Oh thanks.
[129.64] Jack: Yeah Tony. Hair.
[131.64] Jack: Remember that?
[134.64] Tony: What since I was 21 mate?
[137.64] Jack: Oh I don't blame you.
[143.64] Tony: Well my hair grows up.
[146.64] Jack: So you say you should do it man. You should do it once.
[150.64] Jack: You should grow it just so that we can experience it.
[153.64] Tony: Just send you pictures.
[154.64] Curry: Tony can be like a new Bob Ross type Tony.
[158.64] Frank: Yeah. Oh yeah.
[159.64] Frank: We don't want any pictures of you since Tony.
[163.64] Frank: We know what you get up to on a Friday night.
[166.64] Jack: Licking roofs.
[170.64] Tony: Buddles.
[172.64] Tony: Who needs one of them straws?
[176.64] Jack: Life straws.
[178.64] Tony: Life straws are no need for that.
[182.64] Tony: Anyway I'll give the show what there is isn't it?
[185.64] Jack: Right. So Frank's here. Frank's our guest tonight.
[188.64] Frank: Yeah. I've been off for quite a while due to real life getting in the way.
[194.64] Frank: You know needing to make sure I have a roof over my head and bills are paid and all those kinds of things.
[201.64] Frank: And that's probably going to continue for the rest of the year in all honesty.
[206.64] Frank: Which is kind of why I wanted to come on because.
[210.64] Tony: Oh so it's just a flash in the pan then.
[212.64] Frank: Well let me carry on.
[215.64] Frank: Because I realize this is going to be the first year in eight years.
[220.64] Frank: That I'm probably not going to be organizing some kind of FPV meter.
[226.64] Jack: Oh you find it. You will find a way.
[231.64] Frank: Probably.
[232.64] Frank: Like yeah I'm not putting money on it.
[235.64] Frank: Not happening.
[236.64] Jack: Did you punch the DHL man in the throat?
[241.64] Frank: DPD but no.
[244.64] Frank: But yeah so because this is like.
[246.64] Frank: I've realized you know I've put on over the years a fair few FPV meetups.
[251.64] Frank: And we made and learned you know made enough mistakes and learned from them.
[257.64] Frank: Like I don't want to forget all of them.
[259.64] Frank: So I was going to write them all down.
[261.64] Frank: And then just kind of you know I'm a perpetual lurker in a load of different groups and just kind of realize that there's probably quite a few other people that might benefit from these notes I'm putting together.
[273.64] Frank: You know there's a load of FPV scale guys who organize little meetups and sort of try to organize bigger meetups.
[281.64] Frank: There's the various kind of freestyle meetups and things.
[286.64] Frank: There's clubs that run you know like line of sight socks and sandals type clubs that are always short of members and you know their membership is always getting older.
[300.64] Frank: And they're always sort of interested to work out how to get vaguely younger people under the age of 65 into the hobby.
[309.64] Frank: So there's kind of I mean there's as well as like the race organizers were saying like it's a bit film on the ground this year.
[321.64] Tony: I know even I got called up this year. I was like no I've done it for three years and my quads are all knackered and old. No way I can compete.
[330.64] Frank: There you go. And you know I just think like especially the past couple of years has really shown me how much like the meetups and seeing people in the community side of things has kind of kept me in the hobby.
[349.64] Frank: Like without it I would have you know without events like some ponds and the FPV league events and the London aerospace events and Western Park and all this I would have given up FPV after like a summer.
[366.64] Frank: So I want to make sure it's kind of easier for people to hold FPV events especially seeing as like if you look at the racing like back up eight years ago races were like really quite messy and difficult and like a headache for organizers.
[391.64] Frank: And now with a core of races that understand the format and they're going between different event organizers that are all holding the same format so everyone knows what they're doing like they can put in a lot of flight time with very little headache.
[407.64] Frank: I mean obviously the event organizers still have to put in a lot of effort but they're putting in their effort into other things and not putting their effort into making sure that people are flying or not flying or not plugging things in or whatever or on the right channel or any of that because people understand that they're putting their effort into you know live streaming or you know just absolutely making sure that there's there's more rounds in a day.
[435.64] Frank: And I think that is because years ago there was the the rotor racing format you know they properly wrote up a proper format for their races and then between them and a bunch of other race organizers.
[454.64] Frank: They got together as the BFP VRA and kind of conglomerated into one format that then everyone is kind of run with from there. So like I was saying is you know with all the organizers are running the same format and all the races are kind of learning the same format then it just is so much easier for everyone.
[474.64] Frank: So I've put together or started to put together a document that is a format for a one day event for people to go and fly FPV not around a racetrack not competitively but just turn up and fly in a field or around a band or whatever.
[496.64] Frank: I've tried to make it really generic. I've tried to get it kind of keeping in line with the sort of terminology that races and race organizers use. So then if you know races come along to these events they are still in the same habits and it all meshes up with them and vice versa.
[512.64] Frank: Like if someone comes to one of these events it goes to a race later on they understand what's going on. Tried to do the same thing with like the BMFA clubs and use their sort of terminology.
[524.64] Frank: I'm trying to kind of link everything together and make sure everyone's speaking the same language and doing the same things and that's what I'm trying to do.
[533.64] Frank: I've been sharing it around some other people that I know have been looking to organize meetups. If anyone in the chat or anyone listening or anything like that is interested.
[544.64] Frank: Find me somehow.
[547.64] Frank: Maybe I'll drop a link somewhere. I don't know.
[552.64] Stephen: Shine a symbol into the night sky or shout or whatever.
[557.64] Frank: Yeah, I don't know.
[560.64] Frank: If you drop an email to letstronetatgmail.com, I can send you a link that way. That's easier.
[568.64] Frank: But yeah, I'm thinking more for people that either have a like if you meet up with a few mates at a regular spot, but you want to have more people turning up.
[581.64] Frank: Or if you've got, you know, if you're part of a like a line of sight, old school club field type place and you want to find a way to introduce FPV because you have to go somewhere else so they don't shout at you.
[595.64] Frank: Then, you know, this is what I'm aiming that for.
[601.64] Frank: Or, you know, if you're trying to organize a bigger event because as well, more than anything, I want to make sure that there's somewhere for people to complain when it turns out that things change.
[612.64] Frank: So when I come back to it in a year or two time, I know what's going on because already like with DJI stuff, I was completely out the loop about kind of how to integrate DJI with everything else as we kind of learn at LDO know last year.
[628.64] Frank: Yeah, turns out it's really hard. And that's why all the race organizers just said no.
[636.64] Frank: Just DJI too hard to organize with everything else. We don't accept it. Go away.
[641.64] Frank: Which is fine for races, I guess. I mean, there's a league handbook that they all have to follow the rules, but I kind of want to make it.
[651.64] Stephen: Are you talking about the differences between racing and just sort of fly days or whatever?
[656.64] Frank: Yeah, just a casual friendly environment that isn't competitive. And that's what I want to encourage.
[666.64] Curry: Because in the past, it was mainly someone plugs in and says plug it in and then another person screams. And that was the system. But now there's a better system. Hopefully.
[675.64] Stephen: You've documented it somewhere. Yeah, you take a little card and you note down your channel and then someone plugs in and you scream.
[683.64] Frank: Yeah, there's. Well, that's the thing. I think if like if everyone's using the same method, then if you have a critical mess, I think that's what the races have shown.
[694.64] Frank: If you have a critical mass of people that know what they're doing, they can kind of enforce it and make sure everyone else knows what to do.
[702.64] Frank: And you can just kind of all follow each other and pick it up as you go along. And it all works out OK when new people turn up.
[709.64] Frank: But when we've got 20 people. Yeah, exactly. That's how we solve FPV casual meetups is through herd immunity.
[723.64] Frank: When we got like 20 people turning up to a field who are very used to flying FPV on their own or in two weeks with one other person.
[733.64] Frank: That's the thing. When you're flying on your own, as long as you and your goggles and your quads are on the same channel, everything's fine.
[742.64] Frank: Just bump up the power, get as close as you like to where you're flying. Everything's good.
[749.64] Frank: If you have two people flying, you just need to make sure you're on different channels and he's on one and I'm on five. Yeah. And then everything's everything's fine.
[761.64] Frank: When you get to three, then it starts getting a bit more complicated, but you're probably just going to lock out and pick channels that work.
[769.64] Frank: And then the more you add, the more people that there are, it gets far more complicated very quickly.
[778.64] Jack: And then you start looking on the movie network, the IMDB to understand who goes on what.
[788.64] Stephen: So we spent a lot of time allocating channels at LDONO and I think we ended up with like two people in the air at once most of the time. Yeah, exactly.
[798.64] Curry: It would seem quite good to slightly go back to the old days when there was a bit of a mix of people flying on 58 and 24 and even like 1.2. Yeah.
[809.64] Curry: And that way you could get like six or seven in the air without thinking about it too much. But that has dropped way off.
[815.64] Curry: There was a little resurgence of 2.4 stuff for a while and then it's gone away again. So everybody is on.
[821.64] Stephen: I wonder what OpenHD is going to do about that because it shouldn't allow a whole bunch of people to sort of get out of each other's way without worrying about frequency.
[830.64] Curry: It should do. The frequency I'm on is so far out of your normal 58 spectrum that it's pointless to be using a 58 antenna because like 5320 is like somewhere away from that.
[844.64] Stephen: Oh, I thought it just hops around, doesn't it? Doesn't that frequency hop?
[848.64] Curry: Basically, you can either choose an auto channel in which case it will come up with one or you choose one specifically for you.
[855.64] Stephen: Oh, I thought if you do auto channel on Wi-Fi then it'll actually move the band around, but I guess you don't want that.
[861.64] Curry: No, it just says, oh, we're going to choose this band and it agrees between client server and they go with that.
[868.64] Frank: That would be nice. Auto negotiation of channels. That is the holy grail of FPV events and nothing else.
[878.64] Stephen: You can set it on normal Wi-Fi and it's not foolproof, but I've got a whole load of Wi-Fi access points around the house that I configured myself.
[886.64] Stephen: So I look at what they're using and they sort of get out of the way mostly. It's not perfect, but it kind of works.
[898.27] Tony: We're not there yet. A little while to go.
[900.27] Frank: I mean, because that's the other thing is like, when you get to three and four and more pilots flying, you have to worry about intermodulation distortion,
[908.27] Frank: which you might not even come across if you're just flying on your own or with just a buddy.
[915.27] Frank: And then if you're using like the IMD6C channels, then you end up all kind of collectively raising the noise floor so much that it's actually better to be further away from where you're all flying
[941.27] Frank: because you're kind of reducing the noise floor more than you're reducing your own video source, your own VTX.
[949.27] Frank: So it's, you know, there's things like that.
[952.27] Tony: We learned this from Alex, didn't we? In the States. Video aerial systems. If you're sitting, if you have...
[959.27] Tony: No, we learned it from Greg.
[961.27] Jack: We definitely learned it from Greg.
[963.27] Frank: I definitely learned it from Greg.
[965.27] Frank: I learned it from Greg.
[967.27] Frank: We spent the day with his art explorer and we were doing a radio, proper radio surveys around Pop'em for the mini air show because we'd had a mini air show where it didn't go very well.
[982.27] Frank: I mean, it went fine, but there were lots of very unhappy people because it wasn't great video because of things that we hadn't learned yet.
[990.27] Frank: And then I learned things and now I'm writing them down so that hopefully other people don't make some mistakes.
[997.27] Frank: But yeah, so...
[999.27] Tony: What I was trying to say is don't sit...
[1001.27] Tony: If you've got a football pitch, don't sit in the middle broadcasting that way.
[1005.27] Tony: You want to sit at the end broadcasting a long way, you'll get better reception.
[1011.27] Frank: Sort of. I mean, the important thing is to be, like, have 30 metres in front of you when no one else is going to be flying.
[1021.27] Frank: If someone else is going to be flying within 30 metres of you while you're 100 metres away, you're, you know...
[1029.27] Tony: Exactly. You all sit down the goalpost and it's flying that way, you'll be fine.
[1033.27] Frank: Yeah, exactly.
[1035.27] Curry: This is the curious thing about FPV meetups where everybody meets.
[1038.27] Curry: Hello, nice to see you. It's so nice to meet you in person.
[1041.27] Curry: And then they go and go far apart.
[1044.27] Curry: So no one screws up anybody else's signal.
[1047.27] Curry: Yeah.
[1048.27] Frank: That does happen.
[1050.27] Jack: Yeah, because with the DJI goggles, you're transmitting as well as receiving.
[1054.27] Frank: Yeah, then that's like the new lessons that are being learned.
[1058.27] Frank: And, yeah, maybe we can kind of learn some things and feed them back into, like, race events and things.
[1063.27] Stephen: Yeah, and MadsTech put out some notes saying with DJI, when you power it on, it bumps to a higher power level temporarily and then settles down.
[1072.27] Stephen: So the power on burst is even worse than with analog.
[1076.27] Stephen: It'll bump to, like, over a watt and then drop down. That's insane.
[1081.27] Frank: And there's this whole public channel thing where, like, DJI turns on to public channel.
[1087.27] Frank: And if you're flying on your own, you might just stay on public channel and never bother about it.
[1092.27] Frank: But if you're at an event and you're flying on public channel and then someone else powers on on public channel, all of a sudden you've, you know, you've completely lost connection and it can't be made again.
[1103.27] Frank: So you don't want a DJI flying on public channel, but...
[1107.27] Stephen: I think public channel has worse signal than the other channels, if I remember correctly.
[1111.27] Frank: Yeah, so you don't want a DJI flying on public channel.
[1115.27] Frank: But if you want a DJI to turn up and be able to get to any of the other channels or switch channel or whatever, then...
[1123.27] Stephen: Basically, don't go near public channel on your analog gear. It's death.
[1127.27] Frank: Public channel needs to be available for DJI, but it can't be used by DJI.
[1132.27] Frank: So that's a whole other lump of this tiny bit of spectrum that we're actually allowed to use that we then can't use.
[1139.27] Jack: What is public channel on DJI? Does it come up with a little B or is it fine?
[1145.27] Stephen: If two goggles are set to channel one, right, and they both power on, then one of them gets bumped to public channel.
[1151.27] Stephen: It's like the fallback channel.
[1153.27] Jack: Yeah, so public channel...
[1157.27] Jack: How many channels do you have with DJI?
[1160.27] Jack: They're the same eight channels, but they're just called DJI.
[1164.27] Stephen: I avoid using that.
[1166.27] Stephen: If you run 50 megabit, it uses two channels at once, so you only get four.
[1170.27] Frank: Yeah, so 50 megabit immediately rule that out.
[1173.27] Frank: That's not going to be flying at an event with other people, because that's just real.
[1178.27] Stephen: Except if you all leave your gear set to 50 megabit, forget about it, because there's no way to change it.
[1183.27] Frank: If you've got an event of just DJI people, then you don't even need to think about any of this.
[1188.27] Frank: But how many groups of people are there that exclusively only fly DJI and have no one there that even has one other model flying anything else?
[1197.27] Frank: That's the problem, is you end up with a whole other thing of like, these group of people will only accept DJI,
[1204.27] Frank: and this group of people will not accept any DJI, and then we've just...
[1208.27] Frank: Fight!
[1210.27] Frank: Yeah.
[1212.27] Stephen: What this hobby needs is more cliques and arguments.
[1215.27] Frank: Yeah, more drama. That's what we need.
[1219.27] Frank: So DJI Public channel is Race 6, effectively.
[1224.27] Frank: Also FatShart 6, conveniently.
[1226.27] Frank: Although it's DJI 8, but it wouldn't be simple.
[1233.27] Stephen: There's a lovely little eye chart somewhere that does all of this, which I think anyone organizing an event should just have printed out.
[1239.27] Frank: Yes, I have links to that in the document.
[1241.27] Frank: It's the Rotohazard Frequency Reference.
[1244.27] Frank: And I didn't understand some of the reasoning behind some of the recommendations that are on that form.
[1249.27] Frank: And I asked some race organizers, and they just told me that's the way we do it.
[1255.27] Frank: Go away, stop asking me questions.
[1259.27] Frank: So the way that I found, and this is a thing that I've used elsewhere as well, if someone isn't giving you information,
[1266.27] Frank: what you do is you make a terrible suggestion, and they'll tell you why you're wrong.
[1271.27] Frank: People are much more... A certain group of people are more inclined to tell you why you're wrong than to tell you why they're right.
[1280.27] Tony: Exactly right. Make your YouTube channel wrong.
[1284.27] Tony: Write something wrong in the description. You'll always get told you're wrong.
[1289.27] Jack: Tony believes the Earth is flat, and the universe is round.
[1296.27] Tony: Which is actually the opposite way round.
[1303.27] Jack: And that's how we topped the podcast.
[1309.27] Frank: That was the most popular LDA episode.
[1314.27] Frank: The Earth is flat.
[1318.27] Tony: Brilliant.
[1321.27] Jack: You would literally get people coming up to you trying to fight you.
[1327.27] Jack: Like drunk people. You're that dickhead from that podcast radio thing. You're wrong.
[1335.27] Jack: And you'd walk away, and this is where we'd be talking to a traffic guy.
[1340.27] Frank: So this is another reason for making a document.
[1343.27] Frank: This is how you put on an FPV event.
[1346.27] Frank: Because then loads of people can tell me that I'm wrong and that there's better ways of doing everything.
[1350.27] Frank: And that's good. That's useful information for me.
[1354.27] Frank: Eventually, when I have time and money and somewhere to live.
[1361.27] Frank: These things will happen.
[1364.27] Tony: I've got an attic you've been living.
[1368.27] Frank: Well, hopefully it won't come to that.
[1371.27] Frank: But we'll see.
[1373.27] Jack: I've got dibs on the attic.
[1377.27] Stephen: So that's the frequency chart that Frank was talking about.
[1382.27] Stephen: And that shows how DJI maps to everything else.
[1385.27] Stephen: It even shows a bit of Wi-Fi there as well.
[1388.27] Frank: Yes, it's a very good chart.
[1393.27] Frank: My question was about R1367, which is a standard across a load of race organizers for four pilots.
[1404.27] Frank: And I just didn't understand why, of all the four channels to pick, why you would pick those.
[1415.27] Stephen: Which channels are these?
[1417.27] Frank: So if you see at the bottom, there's the suggestions.
[1420.27] Frank: So there's IMD6C and above that IMD5C and above that R1367.
[1425.27] Frank: And it's YR1367.
[1428.27] Frank: You can get R1268.
[1434.27] Frank: And that would be as good, IMD-wise.
[1439.27] Frank: And it would mean you could do some other things.
[1443.27] Frank: Or similarly, you could do R1378.
[1449.27] Frank: And you'd be able to handle with DJI fine and not make them.
[1454.27] Frank: If you gave 7 and 8 on to DJI.
[1457.27] Frank: And that's what Oscar Lang recommends for combining analog and digital.
[1463.27] Frank: You keep your analog down the bottom, you keep digital at the top.
[1468.27] Frank: And you just keep those four channels and it all works out.
[1472.27] Frank: So I was just like, why R1367?
[1476.27] Stephen: It looks like there's a gap in the middle.
[1479.27] Frank: Well, that's for the IMD.
[1481.27] Frank: That's for the intermodulation distortion.
[1483.27] Frank: You're making sure that there's not equal spacing between any three channels.
[1491.27] Frank: So the gap between two channels and the gap between another two channels cannot be the same or you will have a bad day.
[1500.27] Frank: So if you have someone in R1 and someone in R3 and someone in R5, you will have a bad day.
[1508.27] Frank: So when we always used to have like, oh, well, let's do odds today and let's do evens today on Fat Shop.
[1515.27] Frank: That was not a good idea. And that was why we always had a bad time because we didn't know about this.
[1522.27] Stephen: Someone did. We didn't.
[1523.27] Stephen: Someone figured it out by a process of crashing many, many things.
[1527.27] Stephen: Yeah.
[1528.27] Frank: We basically just kind of accidentally ended up probably just picking like one, three and seven.
[1534.27] Frank: And then it would be fine. And we'd just stick with those ones. And we didn't really understand why.
[1539.27] Frank: But yeah, it's all just witchcraft and wizardry.
[1546.27] Stephen: There's the DGI pilots, no friends recommendation on the right here as well.
[1552.27] Stephen: DGI goggles meters 10 feet away from other pilots. No friends.
[1557.27] Frank: Yeah. Yeah. Because like you said, the DGI goggles transmit on that same frequency that you've picked because that's how it's doing.
[1567.27] Frank: It's telemetry and all that kind of stuff.
[1570.27] Frank: So basically you have to consider the DGI goggles as a slightly terrible VTX.
[1580.27] Frank: Yeah. All these all these kinds of things that you don't know until you try and then people have a bad day and you have to work out what's going on and try and guess or read around.
[1592.27] Frank: So I'm trying to kind of collect that into one place because I mean obviously there's a lot of places where all this stuff has been collected up for racing.
[1602.27] Frank: But racing has the kind of benefit of there being someone who is in charge and that someone is telling people everyone is landed.
[1613.27] Frank: Everyone change your channels now. Everyone power on now on the ground.
[1618.27] Frank: Everyone take off now and we wait until everyone is finished and then everyone powers off again and the next group come out.
[1626.27] Stephen: Don't the socks and sandals brigade have something like that with like a high-vis vest wandering around?
[1632.27] Frank: I do believe Andy Simmons, the BMFA, does have a high-vis jacket that says the fun police on it. That might be what you're thinking about.
[1643.27] Frank: But yeah, so there's kind of this kind of this thing that slightly makes racing a bit easier, which is why, you know, when we did the mini air show events and you need a certain number of people there to make it make sense because if you're going to have the public there and it be a public event, you got to get insurance and you got to get toilets and you got to do all this other stuff that costs money.
[1669.27] Frank: So you got to have a certain number of people paying a certain amount of money. And the only way to get that number of people paying that amount of money for FPV is to have a race.
[1678.27] Frank: And so we had to do racing because that was the only way of making it make sense.
[1683.27] Frank: And, you know, it's kind of it's because having that structure and having that, you know, defined times makes it a lot easier than just a casual meetup where, like you say, someone can be powering on while someone else is like halfway through a flight.
[1703.27] Frank: So there's you've just there's other considerations there. And also, you know, you know, if you if you're flying for 12 hours, then, you know, if you've got people up in the f12 hours, you don't really want to have to have the guy who's sitting there not getting paid for anything because it's just a casual meetup to have to shout at people and tell them what to do all day.
[1729.27] Frank: Something you should all make.
[1731.27] Jack: Yeah. Also, like, worryingly, I looked at the Euroband so we can only fly raceband channels three, four, five.
[1743.27] Stephen: Oh, we're not here anymore, mate. It's fine. It's fine.
[1746.27] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah.
[1750.27] Frank: So, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't shout about this too loudly because but, you know, race events, they don't quote anything in megahertz, they quote everything in raceband and that might be for a reason.
[1766.27] Frank: And, you know, that all the BDRA and BMFA are quite happy to publish things that say raceband one on them, but they're probably not going to publish things that say turn your VT access to 5658 megahertz.
[1784.27] Frank: And, you know, there might be some reasons for that kind of thing.
[1787.27] Curry: How is it that they're tuning in to frequencies that can't be used and that we don't see hospitals bursting into flames and planes crashing from the sky?
[1798.27] Curry: Could it be that really these channels are fine to use and everyone should just forget about it?
[1805.27] Frank: Or could it be that 25 milliwatts in a field in the middle of nowhere doesn't affect anyone?
[1813.27] Curry: It goes away for a couple of days and instantly we have to edit the podcast because he doesn't swear. Outrage.
[1824.27] Stephen: We didn't even have this problem with Tony talking about his deck lastly.
[1829.27] Tony: I know.
[1832.27] Jack: Have you been out there scrubbing it in front of the neighbours?
[1836.27] Jack: As Fruity Bird said anything about your...
[1840.27] Jack: No, she might be sending in.
[1843.27] Jack: She's like, oh, I'd love to give that deck a good old clean and you're like...
[1848.27] Curry: Am I right in thinking, Tony, that you have a plastic deck going very modern?
[1854.27] Tony: It is composite.
[1856.27] Curry: Not wood. Yeah, that's what I've got.
[1858.27] Frank: Is that the euphemism?
[1860.27] Curry: Yeah.
[1862.27] Tony: Space age.
[1863.27] Tony: A composite door now, not a plastic door.
[1867.27] Stephen: What was the other part that wasn't plastic then?
[1870.27] Tony: Have you seen police trying to break into a composite door?
[1875.27] Tony: It got trouble.
[1877.27] Curry: It just bounces.
[1879.27] Curry: So is that where you're hiding your drugs under your deck and they'll never get in there?
[1883.27] Frank: I was going to say, I remember you posting on Instagram about all the police outside your house.
[1889.27] Frank: Is this from experience?
[1890.27] Curry: This is where the dead prostitutes are buried, isn't it?
[1894.27] Curry: I figured it out.
[1896.27] Tony: Me and my bro were actually doing a decking when we were doing the foundation.
[1902.27] Tony: I was like, let's go to the joke shop and get a rubber skull and just like, you know...
[1908.27] Tony: Yeah, I was smoking.
[1910.27] Tony: So like when the next person, when this is all ruined and they rip it all up and see a dead bully.
[1919.27] Jack: They're so funny.
[1921.27] Jack: You should have done that.
[1923.27] Jack: I know.
[1925.27] Jack: That's it.
[1926.27] Jack: I need to print a shirt that says I did Gatwick for you.
[1930.27] Tony: Shut up. I didn't know.
[1932.27] Tony: I know.
[1934.27] Tony: You didn't do it.
[1941.27] Tony: I'm literally...
[1943.27] Tony: The police are going to come round there.
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[1970.27] Jack: Gary, this is a good question for you.
[1972.27] Jack: I don't know whether you've seen this.
[1975.27] Jack: Hang on.
[1977.27] Jack: Is there any good source of BL Heli history?
[1982.27] Jack: There is BL Heli32 now, but there was S and M still on tiny boards.
[1991.27] Jack: Can I switch between M and S?
[1994.27] Jack: I know this one if you want.
[1996.27] Curry: You take it because I didn't investigate the history of firmware very much on ESCs when I saw the history of FPV.
[2004.27] Stephen: I'm not sure about Prius, but BL Heli S basically introduced D shot, right?
[2009.27] Stephen: This introduced D shot and enabled us to get away from PWM, which was inaccurate and kind of a pain to use with multi rotors.
[2016.27] Stephen: It wasn't really fast enough to do the motor updates.
[2019.27] Stephen: So BL Heli S introduced D shot and allowed for tighter ESC.
[2024.27] Curry: But don't forget, before D shot, there was one shot, which was some way on from PWM as well. Where did that come in?
[2030.27] UNKNOWN: That's where you speak.
[2031.27] Stephen: That's all before I started this.
[2035.27] Stephen: But carry on.
[2037.27] Stephen: I've only ever bothered to use D shot. I know there's one shot and pro shot and multi shot.
[2041.27] Stephen: These young whipper snappers don't know what they're talking about.
[2043.27] Stephen: So when I was a lad, everyone was complaining that BL Heli S wasn't developed.
[2051.27] Stephen: And the problem was that no one was really paying the devs.
[2054.27] Stephen: BL Heli S was completely open source and at the time the devs were struggling to keep the project going.
[2059.27] Stephen: So they created BL Heli 32 and instead of it being open source, that was a licensed model.
[2065.27] Stephen: So going from an 8-bit MCU and 8-bit CPU, if you will, on BL Heli S, they moved to a 32-bit one, hence BL Heli 32.
[2074.27] Stephen: And then the rewrite of this code base, they decided they were going to license it.
[2079.27] Stephen: So if a vendor wants to say iFlight wants to add an ESC to BL Heli 32, they've got to actually pay the developers.
[2086.27] Stephen: And so the developers can actually spend time testing the ESC, making sure it works and not just throwing out stuff that might catch fire.
[2095.27] Stephen: And that's all very well and good, except then BL Heli 32 sort of slowed down and the GUI was kind of a pain.
[2103.27] Stephen: Then people started talking about how to do RPM filtering and bidirectional D shot, which BL Heli 32 had.
[2110.27] Stephen: But all these cheaper quads that were using BL Heli S ESCs and were flying just fine couldn't do this.
[2117.27] Stephen: So one developer, Jazz Maverick, took BL Heli S and ported the RPM monitoring, the bidirectional D shot.
[2128.27] Stephen: Bidirectional D shot means data goes in both directions.
[2133.27] Stephen: It's not the same as bidirectional motors, where your motors can spin in both directions. Very different.
[2137.27] Stephen: So a developer called Jazz Maverick did this and created BL Heli S.
[2142.27] Stephen: At the same time, Joe Lucid on beta flight was working to put in the RPM filtering.
[2148.27] Stephen: And so it got quite popular because BL Heli M appeared about the same time as RPM filtering and it was free and everyone could use it.
[2155.27] Stephen: Joe also produced his own firmware called JESC, which was a paid for firmware.
[2161.27] Stephen: It was a dollar in ESC, I think, and that allowed you to do bidirectional D shot and RPM filtering.
[2166.27] Stephen: But Jazz Maverick, when he created this, he carried on from the BL Heli S revisions.
[2173.27] Stephen: He kept the same numbering as BL Heli S.
[2176.27] Stephen: And so it's viewed kind of as a continuation, except the changes weren't properly documented.
[2181.27] Stephen: There's no proper change log.
[2183.27] Stephen: And he did some really crazy things, like in one update, the developer randomly decided that he was going to make throttle response non-linear in the ESC,
[2194.27] Stephen: and completely confused people.
[2196.27] Stephen: He was thinking it was going to be all helpful and everyone would be really grateful for him, and everyone hated it, and it was very confusing.
[2202.27] Stephen: And because there's no good change log of BL Heli M, it's basically advised to not use that anymore because it's got crazy things in there,
[2210.27] Stephen: like some versions where it didn't work reliably, others that had this weird non-linear throttle response,
[2217.27] Stephen: and it hasn't been maintained for the longest of times.
[2219.27] Stephen: The recommendation now is to go use BlueJ.
[2223.27] Stephen: If you've got one of these BL Heli S ESCs, you can go to ESC-configurator.com,
[2229.27] Stephen: and that's an online utility that lets you flash any BL Heli S ESC to BlueJ,
[2235.27] Stephen: which is way easier to use, and you get neat little features, like you could do start-up melodies on it and things,
[2242.27] Stephen: so you can select theme tunes from a nice little drop-down on the web interface and things,
[2246.27] Stephen: and it's cute and easy to use and just works.
[2249.27] Stephen: That's the general overview.
[2251.27] Curry: So now I want to know the history of where Simon K came from, where the original BL Heli came from,
[2257.27] Curry: and when he became something else.
[2259.27] Stephen: We need to find this out now.
[2261.27] Stephen: I thought you knew, you were declaiming loudly, that I was an idiot and didn't know that one shot was.
[2267.27] Jack: Simon Kirby.
[2269.27] Stephen: Well, you didn't know what one shot was.
[2271.27] Curry: I don't know what one shot is, but you don't either.
[2273.27] Curry: Well, it's one shot 125.
[2275.27] Curry: We moved away from PWM quite a long time before D-Shot came along.
[2280.27] Curry: What about PPS?
[2282.27] Curry: P-Shot was the first of the digital stuff.
[2284.27] Jack: Ask the receiver pro for you.
[2289.27] Stephen: So why one shot, Kerry? What is one shot? What's multi-shot?
[2293.27] Jack: Multi-shot was done by those.
[2296.27] Frank: Oh, no.
[2298.27] Frank: You're going to start Jack on something.
[2301.27] Frank: Oh, God.
[2303.27] Curry: One shot ups the amount of updates you could do per second exponentially from PWM,
[2311.27] Curry: but then D-Shot upped it again even further and further.
[2314.27] Curry: But when you went from PWM to one shot, it was like, oh, my God, this is amazing.
[2319.27] Curry: And then, of course, it just carried on progressing and you could get faster and faster.
[2323.27] Curry: But it was a proper step up.
[2326.27] Curry: But if you never, you see, you never probably flew stomach from PWM.
[2330.27] Curry: Go and make yourself a quarter on PWM and see what happens.
[2334.27] Curry: You want to brush this motor on PWM and see what happens.
[2337.27] Curry: That'd be fun.
[2339.27] Stephen: Oh, here's a man who knows.
[2341.27] Jack: I'm supposed to link to this, but yeah.
[2344.27] Stephen: You know, I just explained that they were not going to keep using PPM for their receivers
[2351.27] Stephen: and apparently got a whole load of flak for people who apparently live in, like, 2015 or something
[2357.27] Stephen: and want their firmware to work forever.
[2361.27] Jack: Yeah, just put out the old receivers.
[2365.27] Jack: Pavel.
[2367.27] Jack: Or the meerkat man, as we call him.
[2371.27] Tony: I'm not actually saying meerkat anymore.
[2374.27] Frank: Why?
[2376.27] Frank: Because...
[2378.27] Frank: He's in the Russian!
[2380.27] Curry: Oh, yeah.
[2382.27] Curry: Pavel has gone...
[2384.27] Curry: He's wiped me out in terms of thumbnails.
[2387.27] Curry: He's done himself a load in a green screen.
[2390.27] Curry: Doing all this.
[2392.27] Stephen: You shouldn't say meerkat different things.
[2394.27] Stephen: In Polish it's not Russian, is he?
[2396.27] Stephen: Come on.
[2397.27] Stephen: That's just rude.
[2399.27] Frank: The meerkats on Compare the Meerkat are in the world of those adverts, Russian,
[2406.27] Frank: and therefore they're removing the meerkats from the adverts.
[2410.27] Frank: Oh, I did not know that.
[2412.27] Tony: They're gone, mate.
[2416.27] Stephen: That's why you shouldn't call over and Pavel a meerkat,
[2418.27] Stephen: apart from the fact that he's clearly not a meerkat.
[2424.27] Curry: It was a sad time, but, you know, the guy that put them down was, I think,
[2428.27] Curry: at least two million other meerkats were taken out.
[2432.27] Curry: They've been skimped now.
[2434.27] Stephen: They've got a hat or something.
[2436.27] Curry: I was just going to say, Pavel, we were talking about open source,
[2439.27] Curry: and Pavel put out a video about how people were confused about
[2444.27] Curry: what it meant to support open source, because he was mentioning the fact that
[2450.27] Curry: when people said, we're supporting open source by using this flight controller,
[2455.27] Curry: that they're not supporting the developers, and the developers don't get anything from it.
[2460.27] Curry: Which I thought was interesting, because it's like nobody gets into open source development to make money.
[2466.27] Curry: And if people weren't using the product, albeit from other companies making money out of it,
[2471.27] Curry: then the open source project wouldn't be popular,
[2475.27] Curry: and it would just sort of die without people actually using it, is what I thought.
[2480.27] Curry: I just thought it was an interesting point of view.
[2483.27] Stephen: You need some sort of life coaching if you get into open source to make money.
[2487.27] Stephen: Well, exactly.
[2489.27] Curry: Well, I said to him, if you want to make money from open source,
[2492.27] Curry: then don't get into open source, and license it.
[2494.27] Curry: And he said that wasn't the point.
[2496.27] Curry: The point was to say when people think they are supporting the project,
[2499.27] Curry: by buying something they're not, because we don't get any of the money.
[2502.27] Curry: But it's kind of like, yeah, but they are supporting it,
[2505.27] Curry: because if the products didn't use the source code, then nobody would ever want to use it.
[2511.27] Stephen: It's kind of what you mean by support.
[2513.27] Stephen: There's both direct monetary support to aid the product development,
[2517.27] Stephen: and then there's like mindshare for the project, right?
[2520.27] Curry: Yes, and this is not direct money support, but it's like you can build something amazing,
[2524.27] Curry: but if no one uses it, then what's the point?
[2526.27] Curry: So do people support something by using it,
[2530.27] Curry: even though there's no monetary feedback, or anything else?
[2534.27] Stephen: Well, Android.
[2537.9] Stephen: People support Android by using it, and it's got like total market strength.
[2541.9] Tony: Yeah, or Tesla.
[2543.9] Stephen: Yeah.
[2545.9] Stephen: You vote with your wallet at the end of the day what you want to see.
[2547.9] Stephen: But I agree, the developers do need some kickbacks,
[2550.9] Stephen: especially in a hobby that relies on supporting constantly evolving hardware,
[2553.9] Stephen: where they're expected to maybe buy a board here and there,
[2557.9] Stephen: and buy some test equipment here and there.
[2559.9] Curry: Then open source developers need to learn more about licensing agreements,
[2564.9] Curry: because just saying it's all free, you can have it for nothing,
[2567.9] Curry: doesn't work very well in terms of making money.
[2570.9] Stephen: Patreon's a nicer thing, because it allows those that want to pay to pay without nagging people
[2576.9] Stephen: who treat it as some kind of insult to their freedom that they're being asked to pay.
[2581.9] Jack: If Patreon's a nicer thing...
[2583.9] Jack: Why isn't Curry Kitten Simulator on sale and Steam?
[2589.9] Curry: Because it's only a quick...
[2591.9] Curry: It's only super cheap.
[2593.9] Curry: It's as cheap as it can get.
[2595.9] Stephen: Steam sale.
[2597.9] Stephen: How much does it cost to open a Steam developer account, Curry?
[2599.9] Stephen: A hundred dollars.
[2601.9] Tony: So you need a hundred people, and then it should be free.
[2605.9] Curry: No, more.
[2607.9] Curry: It's more, it's not getting 100% of that money.
[2609.9] Curry: They take 30% of any earnings, but after...
[2612.9] Tony: 130 people!
[2615.9] Curry: After you earn a certain amount, they will give you...
[2617.9] Curry: If you earn over a thousand dollars, they give you that money back.
[2620.9] Curry: So it's not all bad.
[2624.25] Curry: But no, my only point is that I feel there's been some issues in some open source projects
[2631.25] Curry: where you can't have it both ways.
[2634.25] Curry: You can't say it's all open and then get all upset when people use it and don't pay you.
[2637.25] Curry: But it's like Express LRS is a great example here, because the Express LRS devs
[2643.25] Curry: are working their arses off to support all this hardware, which is just chucked together.
[2647.25] Curry: They should have come up with something originally to say,
[2650.25] Curry: here's a small fee, you pay this fee and we will authenticate your hardware to say,
[2656.25] Curry: this is E LRS certified.
[2658.25] Curry: Because what they're getting is this shoddy hardware coming in.
[2661.25] Curry: They're having to write more stuff to fix the problems,
[2665.25] Curry: because not enough vendors have worked with them to make sure their stuff's right.
[2670.25] Curry: And they're just like working, working, working, working.
[2671.25] Curry: Everybody else is getting benefits from you except them.
[2675.25] Curry: So they should have said like, okay, it's like every time you do a device, send us a device,
[2680.25] Curry: pay us a small license fee and we will certify that device for use with Express LRS.
[2685.25] Curry: But they didn't.
[2688.25] Stephen: They wanted to just push their project as fast as they could and to be fair.
[2693.25] Stephen: It worked in the sense that everyone is making the kit, but there's a lot of bad kits out there.
[2701.25] Stephen: I do feel for those guys because everyone seems to blame them when some Chinese manufacturer
[2707.25] Stephen: chucks out a board without testing it.
[2709.25] Curry: Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it?
[2711.25] Curry: It's not, oh, beta FPV has released a lemon.
[2714.25] Curry: It's like, why doesn't this Express LRS stuff work?
[2718.25] Jack: It comes back to them.
[2720.25] Jack: Do they worry about like, like Trappy cutting the cutting them off with the like,
[2728.25] Jack: you know, crossfire protocol?
[2731.25] Stephen: He can't.
[2733.25] Jack: Yeah, I suppose. Yeah, he can't. There's nothing he can do.
[2736.25] Stephen: They've literally taken the protocol as it's written in OpenTX and Betaflight
[2742.25] Stephen: and just written something that works with both those implementations.
[2746.25] Stephen: So the only way that Trappy could stop that would be to break the implementation with OpenTX or Betaflight,
[2754.25] Stephen: which I don't think he's in a hurry to do.
[2755.25] Stephen: Although he might be unintentionally doing that recently with the latest firmware revisions that seem to randomly fail safe.
[2764.25] Curry: He did do it with smart audio, though, just to upset the unlicensed because it didn't open source the protocol exactly,
[2776.59] Curry: but he didn't sort of say you can't use it.
[2779.59] Curry: So loads of people made their own VTXs and then he made an update to smart audio, which broke a lot of the stuff.
[2786.59] Curry: That was already out there. But if you paid him a license fee, it would work again.
[2791.59] Stephen: But now Betaflight supports both versions, so it didn't really matter in the long run.
[2797.59] Stephen: Not in the long run. Short term, everybody got upset about it.
[2801.59] Jack: Yeah, sorry, Stephen. It seems like we're grilling you. Like, tell us.
[2805.59] Stephen: I don't feel like I'm being grilled. I'm fine.
[2808.59] Jack: Okay, fair enough. Is that what it was? I never knew that about the, you know, because obviously I'm a Tramp boy over here.
[2816.59] Curry: Yeah, it was. I was doing a lot of stuff at AKK at the time, and it literally screwed all their boards up as soon as I think it was smart audio to came out.
[2828.59] Curry: Because I was like, did you not did you not check this out then? And they're like, oh, well, we thought we had permission based on reading a web page with the answer.
[2839.59] Curry: We didn't ask anybody. We just did it. And then we got a bit upset when it didn't work.
[2844.59] Jack: Yeah, I'm waiting for I'm waiting for Disney to like, come after the Iron Man.
[2852.59] Jack: Like, you know, the the the Iron Man Express LRS modules.
[2859.59] Stephen: Oh, happy model. You think they give a flying fart about anyone's copyright ever? That's no.
[2870.9] Stephen: Happy model, a happy modeling over in China, and they couldn't care less.
[2875.9] Jack: Yeah, hang on. I'm looking for happy.
[2879.9] Jack: Yeah, happy.
[2881.9] Frank: Speaking of China, fail safe in the chat and then the discord has put in the discord a link to a tweet, the first tweet by the looks of it.
[2895.9] Frank: A tweet from 27 minutes ago from the tango to saucy for let it go.
[2906.9] Stephen: You hit it. You hit it, Frank. What? Oh, someone shared the screen and then hit it. It was a module for the tango, too.
[2914.9] Stephen: No. Oh, no.
[2917.9] Frank: DGI goggles. Yeah, what what the tweet says from FPV dot WTF is DGI mini three and FPV mini confirmed.
[2927.9] Frank: New 1080P OLED goggles with Wi-Fi slash Bluetooth confirmed. New air unit. Very unlikely. No, sorry.
[2935.9] Frank: New air unit. Very likely. No support for old air unit slash vista on new goggles. Sadly.
[2944.9] Tony: That is so DGI. So you better upgrade everybody. Yeah, this is what they've done. Literally the mini freeze coming out.
[2952.9] Tony: And there was an update like probably a few days ago, a week ago, which is literally put the DGI mini two is just downgraded.
[2963.9] Tony: It's just crap now in urban areas, which it was brilliant before. And everyone's moaning like you get a couple of hundred meters out in a Wi-Fi area where you can fly because it's under the limits of 250.
[2979.9] Tony: And it's just gone pants. And this happens to phones and it's been proven that they do this. They make it so you go for the next one.
[2992.9] Stephen: And Mads recently pointed out that DGI are likely to release an update that blocks you from rooting your DGI goggles because it's become apparent that the DGI goggles are running a hackable version of Android.
[3006.9] Stephen: And you can get access to that and run. Someone's already running Doom on it, apparently.
[3012.9] Frank: That's from the same guy who does who does FPV dot WTF. That's this guy who tweeted this. He's I've saw in his GitHub this Doom on DGI thing.
[3024.9] Tony: All these conspiracy theories coming true.
[3027.9] Stephen: And so it turns out the latest version of firmware for the V2 goggles blocks all of that. If you're on the V1 goggles, you're OK. But if you update the V2 goggles, then you can't hack your your goggles anymore to run code.
[3040.9] Stephen: Why you should never update anything.
[3043.9] Stephen: Don't encourage that.
[3046.9] Tony: Don't update. If it works, don't fix it.
[3050.9] Stephen: Do you need to feature it in the update? No, don't update.
[3054.9] Tony: Exactly. Do not do it. If it flies fine and it looks fine, do not bloody update.
[3062.9] Tony: I don't want anything that works with it. Absolutely.
[3066.9] Stephen: I'd say it specifically applies to closed source stuff where you may not have a path to go backwards. OpenTX, EdgeTX, BetaFlight, iNav. You can downgrade again. No question about it.
[3079.9] Stephen: Stuff like DGI, you don't know if you can downgrade once you run that upgrade. And the purpose of the latest updates apparently are just to do nothing but block downgrades.
[3091.9] Stephen: The updates to the latest air unit and goggles and FPV drone, they just stop you from downgrading. They don't add anything.
[3099.9] Tony: You literally know when a new, but when something new is coming out on DGI, they rubbish everything you've got. And then it's the same as Android though.
[3112.28] Curry: It's a bit like when FreeSky tried to get us to update to that ACST version 2 by saying, oh, there's a bug in one. Everybody's like, that's weird. We've been all using it for the last six years and it seemed fine to us.
[3131.28] Curry: Now you want us to update, but that stops D16 from working on any other receivers that aren't yours? Interesting.
[3140.28] Stephen: Excuse me while I drop this radio in the bin and get something with the multi-protocol module.
[3145.28] Tony: No baskets, I tell you.
[3150.28] Stephen: So, FrSky are releasing Express LRS now as well, aren't they? Their latest thing.
[3154.28] Jack: What's that? Oh yeah, they are.
[3158.53] Stephen: Well, Frank was off. We had a picture up there where FrSky are dropping Express LRS into their radios, having apparently given up on whatever hype war they were waging against their community.
[3171.53] Curry: But they're having a module with both, aren't they? The twin protocol, what's it? Yeah, which sounds odd.
[3177.53] Stephen: Yeah, because you can. They didn't say it was multi-protocol. That's the weird thing. So maybe you have two receivers and one of them gets an update in four milliseconds.
[3187.9] Stephen: And then the FrSky gets an update like 15 milliseconds after that with the same data, just to be sure.
[3193.9] Curry: It'd be like minority report. There'd be multiple ones. And if they don't agree, there's like a little internal discussion goes on in the module about which one are we going to believe?
[3203.9] Stephen: Do you think we should be gnawing at 1,500 or 1,600? I'm not sure. But it definitely said 1,500. I think you'll find it said 1,600.
[3211.9] Jack: It'd be like the internal report for the scatters. More like when Holly loses his mind, but yeah. Yeah, true. Oh my God.
[3226.9] Jack: But surely if it was FrSky making that, then the FrSky module would win out every time. That's true. You know.
[3238.07] Tony: This has been nice tonight. It's like we've literally been round up on fire and talking and chatting.
[3245.07] Tony: I was arguing about PWM.
[3248.07] Tony: Yeah. I enjoyed it. I like it.
[3254.07] Jack: Nice. My robot vacuum cleaner, I've named Scutter. That's what I should name mine. I'm going to name mine Scutter too.
[3264.07] Curry: Can you pick up a little head? A little head. It's a little head.
[3269.07] Curry: Jack's the only person to be bullied by his robot vacuum cleaner. Locked him out.
[3274.07] Frank: Shut out of my eye.
[3276.07] Frank: You say that. As I was setting up this evening, I found out that mine had grabbed my headphone, the end of my headphone lead, as it was hanging over the side of here.
[3290.07] Frank: I thought it was a bit off the floor, but obviously not far enough. It grabbed it, chewed it up and taken it over the other side of the room.
[3298.07] Jack: Yeah, it's always gone. Amazing abilities.
[3302.07] Stephen: I was always trying to eat the USB-C that I use. I've got really long USB for plugging into flight controllers and when I use my radio for sims and stuff.
[3312.07] Stephen: And it always tries to eat that little.
[3314.07] Tony: I saw where you started all this AI stuff, mate.
[3318.07] Jack: Shut up. You've got the light government Pringle can in your house.
[3325.07] Curry: Government Pringle can? That's what he's talking about.
[3329.07] Curry: Have to expand on that one.
[3331.07] Jack: Yeah, lights on, lights off, turns your heating off when you come in.
[3335.07] Tony: Turn the lights off.
[3337.07] Stephen: I thought you were talking about all those Bluetooth rifle things.
[3341.07] Stephen: Bluetooth guns where you could receive Bluetooth from miles away in snow.
[3346.07] Jack: Yeah, and Tony Smart Meet reckons he spends 30 quid of lectures at E every three days.
[3353.07] Tony: 45? How's it going tomorrow?
[3357.07] Jack: No.
[3359.07] Tony: Echo, bedroom light off.
[3361.07] Jack: There we go.
[3365.99] Jack: Anyway, right. You've been listening to Let's Show Now.
[3369.99] Jack: We're going to do a bonus podcast next week.
[3373.99] Jack: We'll make up for it if that's all right, guys.
[3378.99] Stephen: What time should people tune into the bonus podcast next week, Jack?
[3382.99] Jack: What time should they tune into the main podcast?
[3391.99] Stephen: We will be on standard British time next week, starting at 8pm.
[3396.99] Jack: Summer British time.
[3397.99] Stephen: Summer time.
[3403.99] Stephen: And after approximately an hour of waffle, we will take a break and then do a bonus pod.
[3408.99] Stephen: So probably starting about quarter past nine ish.
[3411.99] Stephen: There will be a bonus pod, right?
[3413.99] Jack: Yeah, and send us your own videos in the Discord and we will play them on the bonus podcast and review them.
[3422.99] Curry: Is there a theme to the videos or just anything?
[3427.99] Jack: Frank, think of a theme.
[3432.75] Jack: Fire.
[3433.75] Jack: Fire.
[3435.75] Jack: Fire.
[3437.75] Tony: I can enter one to that.
[3439.75] Jack: Yeah, I've got one for that.
[3442.75] Frank: Two.
[3443.75] Frank: Where are they sticking them? Are they sticking them in the...
[3447.75] Frank: Like the...
[3448.75] Frank: What is it?
[3449.75] Frank: User videos channel?
[3451.75] Frank: Or is there another channel you're going to make for this?
[3453.75] Jack: No, stick them in there and we'll go through them.
[3456.75] Jack: Nice.
[3457.75] Jack: Fire.
[3459.75] Jack: I've got to sign in again.
[3461.75] Jack: A theme, fire.
[3463.75] Jack: Anyway, tonight you've been listening to Let's Throw Now.
[3467.75] Jack: Please like, comment, subscribe and share this.
[3470.75] Jack: And if you tell one other person about this, we might get, I don't know, 30 viewers.
[3476.75] Jack: One more subscriber.
[3479.75] Jack: If you're listening to this and it's all been edited by Frank's lovely brother,
[3486.75] Jack: who has probably fallen off their chair whilst editing this because Frank said a rude word.
[3493.75] Jack: He said much worse.
[3494.75] Jack: I know.
[3497.75] Jack: Then don't forget we are live on YouTube if you want to come say hello and also join our Patreon who keeps this show alive.
[3507.75] Jack: And if it doesn't, then we're going to go Patreon only.
[3512.75] Jack: And that's the only way you'll let us know.
[3514.75] Tony: Joshua Barwell is one of our Patreons.
[3517.75] Tony: Amen.
[3518.75] Jack: No, he's not.
[3520.75] Jack: I don't think so.
[3521.75] Tony: He just rolled across the frigging screen, you idiot.
[3525.75] Tony: This show's so crap.
[3527.75] Jack: I know he was.
[3528.75] Jack: He still subscribed to Currykin.
[3531.75] Tony: He mentioned Currykin last week.
[3534.75] Curry: Frank knows how to do that.
[3537.75] Curry: I don't like this simulator because that's the last time he mentioned that.
[3541.75] Jack: No, he mentioned you.
[3543.75] Jack: The HD stuff.
[3547.75] Curry: I watched it.
[3549.75] Curry: He's one of my Patreons.
[3550.75] Curry: I don't know why he dropped out of you guys.
[3552.75] Tony: Oh, for f*** sake.
[3555.75] Curry: I think he's forgotten though, so don't remind him.
[3557.75] Curry: Just let's just take his $5 out every time.
[3560.75] Tony: Watch the screen.
[3563.75] Tony: Frank's the only person who knows how to do it.
[3569.75] Jack: We've got to write some.
[3571.75] Stephen: Please donate.
[3574.75] Stephen: Stuart Thorne, Richard Miles, Stephen, David Powell, Wes Harris, Carlos Campos, David Myers, Andy Anderson, Trevor Liddy, Tony Jobson, Fraser Steen, David Story, Lee Southworth, Clive, Peter Marshall, Art Faulkner,
[3595.75] Stephen: Gwen Davies, Adam Weston, Jeremiah Davis, Richard Warwick, Joshua Bardwell, Greg Spencer, or Manish Waggert.
[3611.75] Frank: I can confirm that as of the 1st of March, 2022, Joshua Bardwell was very much still a Patron.
[3621.75] Curry: Can I just mention as well?
[3622.75] Curry: Daniel, I love the name Andy Anderson, and I think we've got to copy it.
[3626.75] Curry: Jack can be Jack Jackson, Stephen, Stephen Stevenson.
[3629.75] Curry: I can be.
[3631.75] Frank: I don't know what I can be.
[3633.75] Jack: Curry, Curry, Curry Kitten Kitchen.
[3636.75] Jack: Frank, Frank or Frankenton.
[3640.75] Tony: Tony, Tony Sten.
[3643.75] Jack: All right, no worries.
[3644.75] Jack: You've been enjoying.
[3646.75] Jack: Everyone's favorite Curry, Kitchen, Kitten.
[3650.75] Jack: Bye.
[3652.75] Jack: Andrew, Frank or Frankenton.
[3656.75] Jack: Hi.
[3657.75] Jack: Stephen, Stephens.
[3659.75] Curry: Hi.
[3660.75] Curry: Thanks, everyone.
[3661.75] Curry: Stevenson.
[3662.75] Jack: wifey McWyfordson.
[3664.75] Jack: Whoops.
[3665.75] Jack: Whoopies.
[3667.75] Jack: And I've been Jack or Jackson.
[3671.75] Jack: Thank you.
[3672.75] Jack: Good night.
[3673.75] Stephen: Cheers.
[3674.75] Stephen: Telemetry lost.