=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 345 ===
Title: LDO 345 - Nightmare projects
Recorded: 2022-04-07
Hosts: Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,274
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiEbCIDJCsk); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1246844935-letsdroneout-ldo-345-nightmare-projects.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you too.
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[22.0] Koel: On with the show.
[24.0] Jack: Let's Drone Out now.
[54.42] Jack: When you're listening to Let's Drone Out, tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[62.42] Jack: Hello.
[63.42] Jack: The man with the moustache, Stephen.
[65.42] Jack: Hello.
[66.42] Jack: The man who does the socials, Cole.
[69.42] Jack: Howdy howdy.
[70.42] Jack: My darling wife.
[72.42] Jack: I was waiting for it, Bonjour.
[74.42] Jack: And I'm right by.
[76.42] Jack: Hello, goodnight.
[78.42] Jack: Is it true that we were doing like nightmare projects?
[83.42] Jack: Is that right?
[84.42] Jack: We can do.
[85.42] Stephen: I mean, we forgot again, but we can always go back to it. Not a problem.
[89.42] Stephen: Jumping off point as bad as any other.
[91.42] Jack: Yeah.
[92.42] Jack: Because my one, my personal nightmare was the Storm 32 gimbal.
[99.42] Jack: I think there's nothing more I hate.
[103.42] Curry: He never even got it done, did you?
[106.42] Curry: I was so close to getting it done.
[109.42] Curry: It was almost working.
[111.42] Curry: And then it didn't.
[112.42] Curry: And then I got fed up with it.
[114.42] Stephen: Did you smash it up?
[115.42] Stephen: Tell me what Storm 32 gimbal is.
[118.42] Jack: Like, there was, like, I first got introduced to it by a channel called iForce2D.
[127.42] Jack: He's a guy who, like, he used to live in Japan and he's lived in New Zealand.
[138.42] Jack: And I think, I believe he's friends with Bruce.
[141.42] Jack: And he built, like, a camera rig quad.
[146.42] Jack: And he, like, weirdly enough, he, like,
[152.42] Jack: bought a pre-existing gimbal from Banggood.
[157.42] Jack: And I just think that I was just too late.
[161.42] Jack: Regards the, you know, regards, like, the sort of, like, gimbal malarkey.
[170.42] Jack: Because, like, at the end of the day, like, when I was, whilst I was trying to do it,
[174.42] Jack: it was pointless buying, like, a gimbal.
[177.42] Jack: If you wanted a camera platform, you just kind of,
[180.42] Jack: the price came down where, you know, the Phantom 3 Basic, you know,
[185.42] Jack: was, like, a couple of, you know, a couple of quid more.
[190.42] Stephen: So this is one of those rarefied pieces of technology that existed in a window
[194.42] Stephen: before something easier and better or cheaper came along.
[197.42] Curry: Yeah, to explain, back in the day, when people had their F450 frames
[202.42] Curry: and they were saying, oh, this is nice and smooth, then the craze became gimbals.
[207.42] Curry: And at first, the smoothest gimbal you could get was a belt-driven one
[212.42] Curry: before brushless motor gimbals existed.
[214.42] Curry: And then it was a two-axis.
[215.42] Curry: And then the holy grail of three-axis gimbals.
[218.42] Curry: And for a while, DJI did their own three-axis gimbal
[221.42] Curry: you could add to the F450.
[224.42] Curry: And then we started getting the cheapo ones like this,
[228.42] Curry: some of which worked on official firmware, some of which was this sort of hacked.
[232.42] Curry: What was it? Alex something firmware?
[234.42] Curry: Jack?
[235.42] Curry: Alex Moss.
[236.42] Curry: Alex Moss was the good firmware.
[238.42] Koel: Oh, the Alex Moss, yes.
[240.42] Koel: I remember that.
[241.42] Koel: Yeah.
[242.42] Stephen: And the results are still, like, rougher than you just get
[244.42] Stephen: with a GoPros built-in stabilization these days, right?
[248.42] Curry: These days, yeah.
[249.42] Curry: But back in the day, it was magic.
[251.42] Curry: Yeah, this was talking eight years ago probably, wasn't it?
[254.42] Jack: Mm-hmm.
[255.42] Jack: Yeah, basically.
[258.42] Jack: I mean, like, he, he, like, built...
[261.42] Jack: This is how much, like, how crazy he got.
[265.42] Jack: He, like, built his own jig for it,
[269.42] Jack: like, and was balancing a Yami camera.
[273.42] Jack: And I even bought, like, a similar, you know,
[278.42] Jack: like, pre-built gimbal thing.
[281.42] Koel: Yeah, I remember you were trying to get it to work for so long,
[285.42] Koel: but it was such a difficult thing to program, right?
[289.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[290.42] Stephen: The Storm32 was the actual controller board for the IMU.
[293.42] Stephen: It wasn't the whole gimbal then, by the sound of it.
[296.42] Jack: Yeah.
[298.42] Jack: Weirdly enough, he changed, like, the IMU on...
[303.42] Jack: Because you could...
[304.42] Jack: Like, later on, you had two IMUs, one on the base unit
[308.42] Jack: and then, obviously, one on the bottom of the gimbal.
[311.42] Jack: And he changed his out for CC3D Micro or something.
[317.42] Jack: And, you know, like, by the time I was doing it,
[321.42] Jack: there wasn't any of those.
[324.42] Jack: I bought the better IMU from Germany,
[328.42] Jack: wired that in, still just couldn't get it to work.
[332.42] Jack: It was...
[333.42] Jack: Chasing the dream.
[334.42] Jack: It just...
[336.42] Tony: You must have just said something wrong with it, Jack,
[338.42] Tony: because you normally fix everything.
[340.42] Tony: No.
[341.42] Jack: Like, it had...
[342.42] Tony: Do you think it was something wrong with it?
[345.42] Tony: Or you just couldn't get it right?
[346.42] Jack: Maybe it might have been, like, the hobby king motors
[350.42] Jack: that I was using were garbage,
[353.42] Jack: but the thing is, I bought a brand-new one,
[355.42] Jack: because Curry was like,
[356.42] Jack: oh, it's the motor, which I don't hold it against you, Curry.
[361.42] Jack: That seemed perfectly logical.
[363.42] Jack: And, yeah, bought another one.
[368.42] Jack: Still did the same thing.
[369.42] Jack: If you've still got the video for it, Curry,
[373.42] Jack: on your YouTube channel...
[375.42] Jack: Maybe.
[376.42] Curry: What we had, and to people that don't know,
[378.42] Curry: tuning a brushless gimbal is even more involved
[382.42] Curry: than, like, tuning a flight controller.
[385.42] Curry: And it's something that's, like, nonsensical
[388.42] Curry: through different bits of software that you had to do.
[391.42] Curry: And I think I had it where I could...
[393.42] Curry: Because when Jack and I first met, he said,
[396.42] Curry: oh, I've got this gimbal.
[397.42] Curry: I was like, oh, I've sorted gimbles out before.
[399.42] Curry: My ones are fine. I'll sort it out.
[401.42] Curry: And I got it, and I had it two directions.
[403.42] Curry: It was fine.
[404.42] Curry: But if I then went just above what it could handle,
[408.42] Curry: normally, like, a gimbal will sort of bind up
[410.42] Curry: and just sort of...
[412.42] Curry: And then you straighten it. It's okay.
[414.42] Curry: But it just freaked out after that point.
[416.42] Curry: It was just like, no, I've gone mental,
[418.42] Curry: and I'm never coming back, is what it did.
[421.42] Koel: It would just whip around all frantically, right?
[424.42] Koel: Yeah. Absolutely crazy.
[426.42] Stephen: When was the last time you got it out,
[428.42] Stephen: got the gimbal controller out,
[430.42] Stephen: and actually tried to use it as being dead for a long time?
[433.42] Stephen: Or do you get it out every now and then
[435.42] Stephen: and think, I'm going to make this work?
[437.42] Jack: I sold that custom rig
[439.42] Jack: to someone who wanted to build a camera rig,
[442.42] Jack: and I think I gave them the working gimbal
[446.42] Jack: that I eventually got working
[448.42] Jack: and the Storm32, and was like, just take it.
[453.42] Tony: I'm surprised you didn't burn it
[455.42] Tony: and say it on fire and record it.
[458.42] Jack: I basically put a F7 board on there,
[463.42] Jack: and it had the mini diversity receiver from TBS.
[473.42] Jack: I pretty much completed that whole build.
[478.42] Jack: It had Sunnysky motors and everything.
[482.42] Jack: It was just the premium everything.
[485.42] Jack: Sunnysky?
[487.42] Jack: Fully carbon frame, arms, a lot.
[495.42] Jack: The thing just didn't weigh anything,
[497.42] Jack: and it was folding.
[500.42] Jack: Our mutual friend, Dan Upton, designed the body for it,
[506.42] Jack: and it was the R64 arms that I cut down.
[510.42] Jack: It didn't weigh anything,
[513.42] Jack: and you could stick about a 3,000 milliamp battery on there.
[518.42] Jack: That was the biggest issue.
[520.42] Jack: Currie's showing the whole quad.
[523.42] Curry: I made this for a user group for it.
[529.42] Curry: When we get to a certain point,
[532.42] Curry: we're getting this weird roll, which shouldn't happen.
[536.42] Curry: You could almost fly it if you didn't do anything silly,
[540.42] Curry: but it wasn't quite right,
[542.42] Stephen: so you couldn't trust something.
[544.42] Stephen: Do not fly it with any of the axis between 10 and 12 degrees.
[548.42] Stephen: It would be less than 10 and 12 degrees
[550.42] Stephen: or more than 10 and 12 degrees, but not.
[553.42] Curry: That's right.
[554.42] Curry: Then the gimbal motors would just say,
[556.42] Curry: oh, we give up.
[557.42] Curry: They would just turn off.
[559.42] Curry: Then we'd go all floppy and refuse to do anything anymore.
[562.42] Curry: One of the things you have to do is measure
[565.42] Curry: how hard it can push against you.
[569.42] Curry: For the motors, definitely.
[572.42] Koel: I play around with camera gimbals,
[578.42] Koel: and I don't know how similar it is to those types of gimbals.
[581.42] Koel: I'm guessing maybe somewhat similar,
[583.42] Koel: but just having to adjust the motor strength
[588.42] Koel: and then dial it back just a little bit
[590.42] Koel: so it doesn't fight you and give you weird vibrations.
[594.42] Koel: I was actually doing it yesterday
[596.42] Koel: because I have a gig coming up that I'm going to be using my gimbal,
[599.42] Koel: and I haven't touched my gimbal for about two or three months now.
[603.42] Koel: It's always a fun time playing with that.
[606.42] Koel: I'm trying to get it to be stable and whatnot.
[609.42] Jack: One of my favorite Curry Kitten videos
[614.42] Jack: is Curry Kitten with a clone, Alex Alexmos gimbal controller.
[623.42] Jack: This is the man I need to take my gimbal to.
[636.42] Curry: This is the camera I was flying through at the time,
[641.42] Curry: and this is my FPV view.
[643.42] Stephen: For audio viewers, we are seeing a serene view of Curry
[646.42] Stephen: flying over a football field,
[648.42] Stephen: and then it suddenly starts headbanging.
[650.42] Stephen: The camera is headbanging in situ under the port.
[653.42] Tony: You have to land and try to control it with that view as well.
[658.42] Curry: This had a Nazarin at the end of the day,
[661.42] Curry: so I could just return home. It's no big deal.
[664.42] Curry: It's a similar sort of thing,
[667.42] Curry: and I ended up replacing this gimbal
[669.42] Curry: because what happened was a voltage regulator seemed to go bad.
[673.42] Curry: I replaced that, and it seemed to work,
[675.42] Curry: and then this is when it freaked out, and then I replaced it.
[679.42] Curry: I think I replaced this one.
[681.42] Curry: I also made this huge quad out of a Nazar with a free-axis gimbal.
[688.42] Curry: Then what happened is DJI started bringing out quadcopters,
[693.42] Curry: which weighed much less with better gimbals and better cameras.
[697.42] Curry: Why am I playing with this?
[699.42] Curry: That whole phase of let's put gimbals on things had stopped.
[702.42] Curry: Was it the gimbal, or was it the gimbal controller that was to blame?
[708.42] Curry: Hard to say whether it was the motors or the controller
[712.42] Curry: or combination of it all, really.
[715.42] Stephen: I've seen Andy RC's videos,
[717.42] Stephen: and he always seems to be flying with a head tracker
[719.42] Stephen: any time he puts any wing in the air.
[721.42] Stephen: He's got a head tracker on it,
[722.42] Stephen: and that doesn't seem to give him too much problem,
[725.42] Stephen: but he's just got an FPV camera, so it's much...
[728.42] Curry: A head tracker's just on a servo.
[731.42] Curry: Right, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[733.42] Stephen: Is it the gimbal, or is it the gimbal controller?
[735.42] Stephen: Is it the brushless motors that are just rubbish, or is it the...?
[738.42] Stephen: It's a combination of it all, I believe.
[742.42] Stephen: A very jelly...
[744.42] Stephen: Quite a heavy camera.
[746.42] Stephen: Oh, that was a good one, too, that one.
[748.42] Tony: I've still got her in my roof with a...
[752.42] Tony: I've never had any trouble, thank God,
[754.42] Tony: because you know what I'm like, I'll just lob it against a wall,
[757.42] Tony: something like that, and I'll try to stick it together with cello tape,
[760.42] Tony: but luckily I had no problems with mine.
[763.42] Curry: So basically what you're saying, though, Jack,
[765.42] Curry: is you had something that didn't work, but you sold it to somebody
[768.42] Curry: and said, you said...
[769.42] Curry: No, I got it.
[771.42] Curry: What a master salesman.
[773.42] Jack: No, I bought a working gimbal
[778.42] Jack: that was like three...
[783.42] Stephen: A team salesman's broken one, honest.
[785.42] Jack: And then connected that to it,
[789.42] Jack: and then put a F7 board on there,
[798.42] Jack: and obviously the new iNav.
[801.42] Jack: Back when I was doing that and stuff wasn't working,
[805.42] Jack: I think we were on iNav 1.6 or something.
[810.42] Jack: I mean, the wooden copter, that was on iNav 1.4.
[817.42] Tony: That was brilliant, I think.
[819.42] Jack: Yeah, that was just an absolutely amazing piece of kit
[824.42] Jack: that I probably shouldn't have sold, because it was just hilarious.
[829.42] Jack: Just completely made out of wood and flew great.
[833.42] Jack: But I would have walked by now, so...
[836.42] Jack: Yeah, it would have been like sacrificed to the fuel shortages,
[841.42] Jack: I'm fairly sure.
[844.42] Jack: But that was just one project.
[846.42] Jack: But by the time I put that flight controller
[851.42] Jack: and that long-range sort of stuff,
[853.42] Jack: I just completely lost interest.
[855.42] Jack: I was like, I'm totally done.
[858.42] Jack: You know, I'm just like...
[861.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[862.42] Stephen: Yeah, because these days you can drive gimbals
[865.42] Stephen: and camera stabilization direct from iNav, right?
[867.42] Stephen: You only have one IMU instead of one actually on the camera,
[871.42] Stephen: but you can just sort of calibrate it
[873.42] Stephen: and get iNav to drive a gimbal, can't you?
[876.42] Jack: Yeah, so, yeah.
[878.42] Jack: By the time I got to it, I was just like sick to the back teeth of it, really,
[884.42] Jack: because, you know, like the...
[887.42] Jack: Look, I think what done me was like the Ollie who made the firmware,
[893.42] Jack: he was just like so unhelpful, you know,
[897.42] Jack: and was just periodically like more interested in developing
[905.42] Jack: like the motors where they have like a sort of tracking of where they are.
[910.42] Jack: I can't remember what that's called now.
[912.42] Jack: Censored.
[913.42] Jack: Yeah, censored gimbal motors and stuff like that.
[916.42] Jack: And, you know, like was uploading stuff of his that just worked fine.
[921.42] Jack: But, you know, I almost think that it probably would have worked
[926.42] Jack: a bit better if, because I was putting it into axis gimbal mode,
[931.42] Jack: I think by the time the development had moved on into three axis
[937.42] Jack: and because I was selecting two axis, they were like,
[940.42] Jack: who uses two axis anymore?
[942.42] Jack: And, you know, that something got lost in translation in the code
[947.42] Jack: and just didn't work that well.
[949.42] Jack: And I reckon if I had like, yeah, you know,
[953.42] Jack: you know, like a similar thing I had was like the,
[964.42] Jack: what is it?
[968.42] Jack: OpenTX, that's it.
[970.42] Jack: OpenTX, like flashing some of the old transmitters with that,
[975.42] Jack: they dropped compatibility, but all the code was in there.
[979.42] Jack: And like if you just happened to not read like why it wouldn't flash or,
[988.42] Jack: you know, like, but the options are still there,
[991.42] Jack: you have to go on the Wikipedia or GitHub and then read that,
[995.42] Jack: like they dropped the compatibility and then you have to go all the way back
[1002.42] Jack: and even then the, like, you know, to the point where it still worked.
[1008.42] Jack: So you went back like, you know, to 1.5 of OpenTX.
[1013.42] Jack: When I flashed it to that version that was the last known working version,
[1018.42] Jack: some of the switches didn't work.
[1020.42] Jack: The code that reallocated the switches to different pins of the at mail chip
[1028.42] Jack: just, you know, just didn't work.
[1030.42] Jack: And, you know, you kind of had to, you know,
[1032.42] Jack: keep going back further and further back till that worked.
[1036.42] Jack: So, you know, it's, you know, in the name of progress,
[1041.42] Jack: you know, like, if you're there at the time and you flash that, it works great.
[1046.42] Jack: But, you know, stuff keeps moving forward and then other things break.
[1053.37] Stephen: I do wonder how long EdgeTX is going to keep some of those old radios alive.
[1058.37] Stephen: It's going to be a whole crop of quite radios all used the same chip.
[1063.37] Stephen: Someone's going to go, oh, it doesn't fit. Drop them.
[1067.37] Stephen: I wonder how long that will be.
[1069.37] Stephen: It might be like 20 years, you have no idea, but could be six months.
[1074.37] Jack: Yeah, like, you know, even the SD card for the Taranis is like missing key things.
[1082.37] Jack: So I don't think they're like maintaining the Taranis bus.
[1086.37] Stephen: Pretty sure, like, thousands of people have that Taranis.
[1091.37] Stephen: We did have a bunch of problem trying to get Jack's Taranis to work with EdgeTX, by the way.
[1097.37] Stephen: Not exactly sure what was going on there, but it wasn't happening.
[1100.37] Jack: I've got it done now. It worked.
[1103.37] Jack: What was the problem in the end?
[1107.37] Jack: Yes, Andrew.
[1109.37] Jack: No idea.
[1111.37] Jack: Don't update.
[1113.37] Curry: Well, if it works, don't do that.
[1115.37] Curry: Going back to nightmare builds, if I may, and it's still on it.
[1120.37] Curry: It's still up there on the wall, just out of shot.
[1123.37] Curry: It is the FX79 Buffalo.
[1126.37] Curry: This was supposed to be my big long range plane.
[1130.37] Curry: It is a six foot span wing, which can carry loads of battery.
[1135.37] Curry: And I was very careful to build it up with the best components I could get,
[1139.37] Curry: thinking it was going to be a long range wing.
[1141.37] Curry: A Dragon Link version one in there with...
[1144.37] Curry: I got a 4-3-3 dipole made up by big those who used to do antennas for everybody.
[1151.37] Curry: And I got a My Fly Dream autopilot, which was like one of the best you could get back there.
[1161.37] Curry: And build it up very carefully.
[1164.37] Curry: And we took it out for its maiden.
[1168.37] Curry: This is the amazing maiden fro by my buddy Neil here.
[1173.37] Curry: Very big.
[1174.37] Curry: Okay, let's give it full whack. We gave it full whack.
[1177.37] Curry: And that...
[1179.37] Jack: The noise.
[1181.37] Tony: That is game over.
[1183.37] Curry: It's the sound of disappointment.
[1185.37] Curry: Something went wrong. We're not sure went wrong.
[1187.37] Curry: Really?
[1188.37] Curry: It didn't even look like it stalled.
[1190.37] Curry: It just looked like it turned into the ground somehow.
[1193.37] Curry: And we didn't understand it.
[1194.37] Curry: We haven't rewind.
[1196.37] Curry: No, because we rebuilt it.
[1198.37] Curry: I rebuilt it very carefully.
[1200.37] Curry: I patched it up.
[1201.37] Curry: There's all sorts of fillet involved and stuff.
[1204.37] Jack: We wasn't trying to flip upside down in your miraculous.
[1208.37] Jack: I've configured it completely correct, but just upside down.
[1211.37] Curry: We checked all the surfaces, everything.
[1213.37] Curry: And then I went out with my buddy Richard.
[1216.37] Curry: What is going on?
[1217.37] Stephen: Maybe you could describe for our audio viewers,
[1220.37] Stephen: let's face it, most of the people that catch this will have.
[1222.37] Curry: In the very first one, we threw it.
[1224.37] Curry: It went up in the air and it came straight down really hard on its nose.
[1228.37] Curry: And exploded into bits.
[1230.37] Curry: Worst case scenario.
[1231.37] Curry: On the second flight, Richard wanted to try throwing it.
[1235.37] Curry: He said, let's go for an unpowered glide.
[1237.37] Curry: I'm going to put my fingers where the 11-inch prop is.
[1241.37] Curry: Don't start the motor.
[1242.37] Curry: So I was like, well, that's fair.
[1244.37] Curry: So I agreed not to power it.
[1246.37] Curry: And we did a glide.
[1247.37] Curry: And you can see the glide.
[1248.37] Curry: Beautiful.
[1249.37] Curry: Nothing wrong with that, is it?
[1251.37] Curry: Nice.
[1253.37] Curry: Then he's like, OK, I'm going to...
[1255.37] Curry: I don't want to throw it like that because, you know, I play the piano.
[1258.37] Curry: So he said, I'm going to hold it underneath.
[1261.37] Curry: It's a little bit awkward, but it's got these holes and I'll throw it.
[1264.37] Curry: And he did.
[1265.37] Curry: And he threw it straight up in the air and smashed it on the floor again.
[1271.37] Curry: It looked like a clean break.
[1273.37] Curry: Yeah.
[1274.37] Curry: And so we then...
[1276.37] Curry: I rebuilt it yet again.
[1278.37] Curry: Oh my God.
[1279.37] Curry: Because I was getting good at rebuilding it at this point.
[1282.37] Curry: And what happened this time was better, although not to begin with.
[1288.37] Curry: So promising.
[1289.37] Curry: Better, he says.
[1291.37] Curry: Better.
[1292.37] Tony: Is it the same guy who got into it three times?
[1295.37] Curry: Yeah, there's only a certain amount of people I can get to hold that are played in a certain way.
[1301.37] Curry: And we decided that we should do it like we were gliding it again.
[1305.37] Curry: But he said, I'll do another practice throw.
[1308.37] Stephen: Yeah.
[1309.37] Stephen: I'm wondering if the disaster is entirely the plane and maybe to some extent the operators.
[1316.37] Stephen: What's going on with the radio?
[1317.37] Stephen: It looks like you've got something stuck halfway up the radio antenna.
[1321.37] Stephen: Yeah.
[1322.37] Stephen: So that is a DragonLink module, which is plugged in by PPM.
[1328.37] Curry: So, yeah.
[1329.37] Curry: So the first time he threw it, he managed to basically crash it into the ground.
[1333.37] Curry: But it wasn't too bad.
[1335.37] Jack: And then his take two.
[1338.37] Curry: Oh, it's up.
[1339.37] Curry: Yes.
[1340.37] Curry: Beautiful.
[1341.37] Curry: And we were like, this is amazing.
[1342.37] Curry: And it actually flew really nicely.
[1345.37] Curry: It was really, really smooth.
[1346.37] Curry: It's a big wing.
[1348.37] Curry: It's relatively heavy.
[1351.37] Curry: And so if it ever shows, we got some nice, smooth footage.
[1356.37] Jack: But what happened?
[1358.37] Jack: Turn the volume down.
[1359.37] Curry: Get rid of that.
[1360.37] Curry: Oh, thank you.
[1361.37] Curry: We flew it along.
[1362.37] Curry: We tuned the autopilot, which is a lot of little bits and pieces to do with the return
[1368.37] Curry: to home and the loiter.
[1371.37] Curry: And basically, you're tuning it so the speed is right.
[1374.37] Curry: It's not wobbling.
[1375.37] Curry: It's getting its angles right.
[1376.37] Curry: There was lots to do.
[1378.37] Curry: And eventually, we got that done.
[1381.37] Curry: I landed it.
[1382.37] Curry: And the landing is absolutely beautiful.
[1384.37] Curry: That's what the AP looks like.
[1386.37] Curry: We didn't have a very good VTX reception on this.
[1391.37] Curry: But yeah, it was working.
[1393.37] Curry: It was properly trimmed.
[1395.37] Curry: It was properly sorted.
[1396.37] Curry: It was looking really nice.
[1398.37] Curry: DragonLink worked really nicely.
[1400.37] Curry: Run the bar.
[1401.37] Curry: Yeah.
[1402.37] Curry: And we said, I know, we'll do a chase because that's what you do.
[1405.37] Curry: You've got your mate there.
[1406.37] Curry: He's got a wing.
[1407.37] Curry: I've got a wing.
[1408.37] Curry: And at that point, the autopilot, I turned it on and all the servos just started going
[1414.37] Curry: twitchy twitchy like this, going absolutely mental.
[1417.37] Curry: And it just wouldn't work anymore.
[1419.37] Curry: And what had happened is the autopilot had just absolutely freaked out.
[1423.37] Curry: It's such a great plane.
[1426.37] Curry: But the AP broke, which is the thing.
[1432.37] Curry: And then I couldn't get a replacement because they were like, oh, it's your fault.
[1436.37] Curry: So then I did a video saying, don't trust this company because my autopilot broke
[1442.37] Curry: and they didn't do anything on your side, which they eventually then replaced it.
[1446.37] Curry: And it's been sat there since.
[1449.37] Curry: And I haven't flown it.
[1450.37] Curry: The only thing I've done with it is I made another video called, can I make the box
[1457.37] Curry: that it came in fly better than the actual plane itself?
[1462.37] Curry: So what I did, I literally made one of the flight tests style.
[1469.37] Curry: Let me get rid of that volume.
[1471.37] Curry: Oh, man.
[1472.37] Curry: I can't believe this.
[1473.37] Curry: This is back in 2015.
[1474.37] Curry: Everybody.
[1475.37] Jack: This is how old this is.
[1476.37] Jack: Look at young Cory here.
[1477.37] Jack: Now you would use his knees on the floor.
[1479.37] Stephen: Oh, do not rely on YouTube for video archival.
[1484.37] Stephen: You could put the video in, but you can't necessarily get the video out again.
[1489.37] Koel: I spy a classical guitar there, too.
[1492.37] Curry: Oh, yeah, we've got them all here.
[1495.37] Curry: Yeah, we eventually managed to.
[1497.37] Curry: This took two goes to get flying because like everything was just made literally of cardboard.
[1504.37] Curry: And what I didn't understand at the time is if you make your wing services from cardboard,
[1508.37] Curry: they're a bit flexible.
[1510.37] Curry: So when I did fly it, my finger was all the way back.
[1514.37] Curry: That is it.
[1515.37] Curry: That is literally made out of the box.
[1517.37] Jack: Oh, somebody throw a wing properly.
[1519.37] Curry: It flew.
[1520.37] Curry: I say it flew, but my wing is all the way back, giving full elevator up all the way
[1526.37] Curry: around.
[1527.37] Curry: And I'm like, we might just have to bring this in and land it.
[1529.37] Curry: So the flight was quite short, but you can see it's flying.
[1533.37] Curry: It's doing its thing.
[1534.37] Curry: But yeah, we FPV'd it.
[1536.37] Curry: We flew it.
[1537.37] Curry: And my overall conclusion was that the box did fly better than the wing itself.
[1543.37] Curry: I still don't know what was up with it.
[1545.37] Curry: But it is still there on the wall at some point.
[1548.37] Curry: Look at this for landing.
[1550.37] Curry: Boom.
[1551.37] Curry: That's not really it then.
[1554.37] Curry: But yeah, at some point, I will take this out and try and fly it again.
[1558.37] Curry: But it's you know what it's like with big things.
[1561.37] Curry: They need a big area.
[1563.37] Curry: I can't launch it myself particularly well.
[1566.37] Curry: I need a volunteer.
[1568.37] Curry: And all my volunteers have, as soon as someone throws it and it explodes, they're not so
[1574.37] Curry: keen on throwing it anymore.
[1575.37] Curry: And I'm like, I don't want to do that.
[1577.37] Curry: What if it goes wrong?
[1578.37] Tony: Yeah, exactly.
[1579.37] Tony: But yeah, that was my nightmare build.
[1581.37] Tony: You've got another big one that you smashed at them, haven't you?
[1584.37] Tony: What was the other big?
[1585.37] Tony: It was a glider, wasn't it?
[1587.37] Tony: That was the glider.
[1589.37] Curry: Yeah, I've repaired that as well.
[1590.37] Curry: That's ready to go again.
[1591.37] Curry: But that wasn't so much tonight.
[1593.37] Curry: That was a misunderstanding.
[1595.37] Curry: So it was, well, I've forgotten what it's called now.
[1597.37] Curry: But it was from, I think we've had Rob on, haven't we, who designed this.
[1603.37] Curry: And it's 2.6 metres.
[1604.37] Curry: Very big.
[1605.37] Curry: Yeah.
[1606.37] Curry: And when I built it up, I didn't realise that the tail section wasn't attached properly.
[1613.37] Curry: It was just on with a bit of tape.
[1616.37] Curry: And when we were flying it, and Neil was there as well.
[1619.37] Curry: My friend launched it the first time.
[1621.37] Curry: He said, your tail looks like it's gone wonky.
[1623.37] Curry: And he said, did you screw that in?
[1625.37] Curry: I was like, it was already attached.
[1626.37] Curry: What?
[1627.37] Curry: And he's like, no, I had to be screwed in.
[1629.37] Curry: So in flight, the V-tail, which started out like that if the plane is level, had gone
[1635.37] Curry: round like this.
[1637.37] Curry: And Rob said to me, oh, do you want me to land it line of sight?
[1641.37] Curry: Because he's better at line of sight than me.
[1643.37] Curry: And it's like, I was flying perfectly happy FPV.
[1646.37] Curry: It was going fine.
[1647.37] Curry: But so I said, OK, gave him the control.
[1650.37] Curry: He's like coming around, he just stalled it, and it's just splat.
[1654.37] Curry: And that broke.
[1656.37] Curry: And that was, I had to get like fibreglass sheets and resin to put that back together
[1662.37] Curry: because it's like composite material broke and stuff.
[1666.37] Curry: But yeah, that's another huge wing.
[1668.37] Curry: Well, not a huge wing, huge glider that I need to have a go at.
[1673.37] Curry: Because that was really complicated to set up as well.
[1675.37] Curry: I had to set up crow braking through the use of iNav flaperons plus actual flaps.
[1685.37] Curry: Was it flaperons or was it?
[1687.37] Curry: I don't know.
[1688.37] Curry: Basically, the brake goes like that.
[1690.37] Curry: Yeah, so it crows.
[1691.37] Curry: There wasn't an actual crow section for it.
[1693.37] Tony: Can we see that this summer, please?
[1696.37] Curry: Depends on how much room I've got and how many friends I've got willing to throw big planes for me.
[1702.37] Jack: Yeah, we need some proper wing people, you know, some proper socks and sandals.
[1709.37] Curry: To be fair, I did.
[1710.37] Curry: And I had the designer with me just happened to crash it into the landing.
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[1741.37] Stephen: Talk about my particular disaster build now.
[1746.37] Stephen: I had one that when I was learning about tuning and I thought more power is definitely better and I wanted to build micros.
[1755.37] Stephen: I'd heard great things about these little 1106 motors.
[1758.37] Stephen: So I procured a whole bunch of sunny sky 1106 motors that were like I think 6500 or 7000 KV
[1767.37] Stephen: and claimed to suck down a ludicrous amount of amps, but go incredibly fast.
[1772.37] Tony: Huge amounts back in the day.
[1775.37] Stephen: Yeah, little little blue motors and they were meant to go like absolute demons.
[1780.37] Stephen: And I had these and I wanted to kind of cram as much as I could in.
[1783.37] Stephen: So I'd looked at the diatone range a couple of years back.
[1787.37] Stephen: This is 2019, but very early 2019 late 2018.
[1793.37] Stephen: So I got like an R249 frame, a little diatone frame and an HD camera.
[1801.37] Stephen: And the sunny sky motors and then because I wanted to put the HD camera in there, I didn't have room for a VTX and an FC and an ESC.
[1810.37] Stephen: And you can get small VTXs.
[1812.37] Stephen: So I was like, right, I'm going to have to get an AIO when they just come out.
[1817.37] Stephen: So I got an HGLRC AIO and thought, yeah, this is going to be fine.
[1821.37] Stephen: It'll like, it'll do 3S.
[1823.37] Stephen: It was 2 to 3S and it said it would do something like 15 amps per ESC, which should be enough for a modest two and a half inch build, but that should be all right.
[1836.37] Stephen: And I've got this thing all built up and it was okay.
[1839.37] Stephen: The video signal was nice.
[1841.37] Stephen: I think I had a run cam split in there.
[1843.37] Stephen: That was nice.
[1844.37] Stephen: Got some 1080p recording.
[1846.37] Stephen: Just couldn't tune the thing.
[1847.37] Stephen: And I kept trying to tune it to get the wobbles out because I wanted a nice smooth HD video.
[1851.37] Stephen: And I was tuning and tuning, trying to just push it a little bit more so it would be smooth and wouldn't have any kind of any oscillations in steady forward flight.
[1861.37] Stephen: And I just couldn't quite get it there.
[1863.37] Stephen: And then it started jittering a whole bunch.
[1867.37] Stephen: And oh, it's not good.
[1869.37] Stephen: Put another battery on, try and loosen the tune a little bit and give it another go.
[1873.37] Stephen: I took it up and it just nosedived slowly and caught fire.
[1879.37] Stephen: Like not just a little bit of smoke, but full on.
[1883.37] Stephen: The whole stack was just not the LiPo.
[1886.37] Stephen: The whole stack was on fire.
[1888.37] Stephen: The flames out of the ESCs.
[1890.37] Stephen: The VTX was on fire.
[1893.37] Stephen: The HD camera was on fire.
[1895.37] Stephen: Any bit of plastic around all of that was all on fire.
[1898.37] Stephen: So I managed to rip the LiPo off it and it was just this little funeral pyre of a quad.
[1905.37] Stephen: The entire thing was absolutely knackered.
[1908.37] Stephen: Burned the insulation off all the motor wires.
[1913.37] Stephen: Burned the run cam camera.
[1915.37] Stephen: The fire from the stack was big enough that it actually destroyed the camera.
[1920.37] Stephen: Bizarrely enough, the only part that survived was the plastic top plate.
[1924.37] Stephen: I don't know what that plastic was, but it fared a lot better than all the motor wires.
[1929.37] Stephen: Yeah, that was something.
[1932.37] Stephen: I did finally learn how to build a nice HD quad that flew well and had a bit of power.
[1937.37] Stephen: But I'm still somewhat concerned about those sunny sky motors and exactly how much power they may have pulled.
[1945.37] Stephen: Too much maybe?
[1946.37] Stephen: Yeah, a bit too much I think.
[1948.37] Stephen: A lot too much.
[1951.37] Tony: At least your fire was outside.
[1954.37] Tony: When Jack catches fire, he's normally inside.
[1959.37] Curry: Did you get pictures of the aftermath of the fire?
[1963.37] Stephen: I was faintly traumatised.
[1964.37] Stephen: I did carry it around in a box for a while.
[1968.37] Jack: Like a little said, hamper.
[1970.37] Jack: Ready to bury.
[1972.37] Stephen: But I finally stripped it down, I think.
[1974.37] Stephen: Washed it all off with IPA and yeah.
[1979.37] Stephen: It's gone.
[1980.37] Stephen: I do have another one of those boards because I bought two at that point.
[1984.37] Stephen: And this is when AIOs had just appeared and everyone was poo-pooing them.
[1989.37] Stephen: And I think, in retrospect, probably for a good reason, these days they're fairly bulletproof.
[1993.37] Stephen: But back then, yeah, I just I do not trust them.
[1997.37] Stephen: And I'm not sure if I'm going to use its twin.
[2000.37] UNKNOWN: 15 amps.
[2001.37] Stephen: And it said 2 to 3S and I think they just didn't.
[2004.37] Stephen: At 3S, it wasn't doing 15 amps.
[2006.37] Stephen: It just wasn't to be trusted.
[2008.37] Stephen: Not at all.
[2009.37] Stephen: And even now, if someone says, oh, I want to get an AIO, what should I get?
[2014.37] Stephen: I usually tell them to find the one with the biggest current throughput that they can
[2019.37] Stephen: because those boards just flat out lie.
[2022.37] Stephen: Like the FETs on them are tiny.
[2024.37] Stephen: And if they say it's 30 amps channel, it's going to be like really more like 20 amps.
[2031.37] Stephen: So you just got to give yourself a lot of headroom if you're going to do an AIO build.
[2036.37] Jack: Oh, that sucks.
[2040.71] Jack: Tone.
[2041.71] Stephen: It happens.
[2042.71] Tony: I don't have any disasters whatsoever to talk about.
[2046.71] Jack: Come on, you've got loads.
[2048.71] Jack: Yeah.
[2049.71] Jack: Well, we should talk about them for you.
[2051.71] Tony: No.
[2052.71] Jack: EGI without the update and, you know, just spinning upside down.
[2058.71] Jack: You've got loads.
[2059.71] Jack: Come on.
[2060.71] Tony: I can't remember any of them.
[2062.71] Curry: What about the ZO-DART where you tried to run like 15 amps out of the 5-volt of the VTX?
[2069.71] Tony: There's no video footage or evidence or pictures.
[2072.71] Tony: This is just me.
[2073.71] Tony: There is.
[2074.71] Curry: I can't picture this.
[2075.71] Curry: Because every time you tried to launch it, everything would turn off.
[2077.71] Tony: All lies, I tell you.
[2080.71] Tony: I don't really.
[2082.71] Tony: I can't remember.
[2084.71] Tony: My ex-class caught fire the last time I flew it.
[2089.71] Tony: That's the only disaster.
[2090.71] Tony: But it's been flying for three years without anything going wrong with it.
[2094.71] Curry: It didn't like it when you tried to do smoke that one time, did it?
[2097.71] Curry: Maybe it'd fall out of the sky.
[2099.71] Tony: Yes, that was a bad idea.
[2101.71] Tony: That giant shunt.
[2104.71] Tony: It literally turned off the flight controller when I switched the switch,
[2108.71] Tony: which we tested on the ground and maybe should have tested with props spinning.
[2114.71] Tony: Because it, yeah, flicked a switch, turned on the smoke.
[2117.71] Tony: It's had the smoke on, mind you, but it fell out of the sky.
[2122.71] Tony: Well, that was only, what, an hour building.
[2124.71] Tony: It was back in the air, thanks to everyone at MA4, maybe?
[2132.71] Jack: Five.
[2133.71] Tony: Was it?
[2134.71] Tony: No, it wasn't five, was it?
[2136.71] Jack: Four, maybe, yeah.
[2138.71] Jack: Four, I think.
[2139.71] Tony: MA4, it must have been.
[2140.71] Jack: I helped.
[2142.71] Tony: Everyone did.
[2143.71] Tony: Everyone got their hands on.
[2144.71] Jack: The overcharge pack?
[2146.71] Jack: That was a beauty.
[2149.71] Tony: Yes, that is, I'm not going to lie, that is actually true.
[2156.71] Tony: What happened?
[2157.71] Tony: Is Clive in the chat?
[2160.71] Tony: I've got two 4S packs.
[2163.71] Tony: I've literally strapped together to make eight, yeah?
[2166.71] Tony: So they're running together.
[2172.71] Tony: So I've put one on charge.
[2175.71] Tony: Got off and done my business because there was people, you know, there.
[2179.71] Tony: So I could do other stuff, go and get something to eat or whatever.
[2182.71] Tony: This is a show as well.
[2184.71] Tony: Last year, I think, this was.
[2187.71] Tony: And then come back.
[2188.71] Tony: And I was like, oh, it's charged.
[2190.71] Tony: I'll take that out and put it in again.
[2192.71] Tony: But I managed to plug the same one back in somehow.
[2197.71] Tony: Someone must have talked to me or whatever.
[2199.71] Tony: So pressed George at 8am.
[2202.71] Tony: See you later.
[2204.71] Tony: And then Clive comes running over.
[2206.71] Tony: Tony, your battery's going to blow up.
[2209.71] Tony: It's like, I can't even remember.
[2211.71] Tony: It was like double, wasn't it?
[2214.71] Tony: It was ridiculous.
[2216.71] Tony: It didn't puff or anything.
[2218.71] Tony: But it was basically a bomb.
[2224.22] Curry: Did you get extra flight time out of it?
[2226.22] Curry: What's that?
[2228.22] Curry: I said, did you get extra flight time out of it?
[2230.22] Curry: Or did you decide to discharge it in a different way?
[2232.22] Tony: I don't remember how we discharged it.
[2233.22] Tony: We plugged something in and ran it for a few minutes.
[2236.22] Jack: Very, very slowly is the answer.
[2239.22] Tony: I think we ran it for a few minutes with props off,
[2243.22] Tony: but it wasn't doing anything, so we had to put props on.
[2245.22] Tony: I think we plugged it into a 4S little mini quad or something
[2248.22] Tony: and just ran it up and ran it back down to the normal proper
[2254.22] Tony: amperage of the battery.
[2256.22] Tony: But yeah, that was quite scary, little bomb there.
[2261.22] Tony: I've done that twice as well, so I didn't learn from where it started.
[2266.22] Stephen: At least you're learning.
[2268.22] Stephen: I always just balance charge stuff so it complains.
[2271.22] Stephen: It's like, hang on, I don't see as many cells as you say there are.
[2274.22] Curry: If you've got two batteries and you plug one in,
[2278.22] Curry: it's easy to plug the wrong balance lead into it.
[2281.22] Tony: Exactly what I did.
[2283.22] Curry: You can mess this up sometimes if you're parallel charging.
[2285.22] Curry: You can get the wrong ones mixed up there.
[2288.22] Tony: It was saying, the XT60 was the one having all the power put in it.
[2293.22] Tony: The balance lead was off the old battery, so it was like,
[2297.22] Tony: well, I'm charging, nothing's happening.
[2300.22] Curry: We're putting energy in, but it's not coming up.
[2303.22] Tony: We just keep going.
[2305.22] Stephen: Don't they throw an error if it sees that there's one voltage across the XT60
[2310.22] Stephen: and a totally different voltage across the balance connector?
[2313.22] Stephen: That would seem like a really obvious thing to check for.
[2316.22] Stephen: Not Tony's charger. It's discount.
[2318.22] Stephen: Depends how much you pay for them, I guess.
[2321.22] Tony: It's one of the pretty good chargers.
[2326.22] Jack: It just can't read the voltage whilst charging at the same time.
[2331.22] Jack: It's too much.
[2332.22] Tony: Well, it was reading the voltage off the other battery.
[2335.22] Tony: The balance lead was off the other battery.
[2338.22] Tony: The balance lead, it was saying, keep charging.
[2342.22] Tony: Keep going.
[2344.22] Tony: Keep going. I'm at 3.8.
[2346.22] Tony: The XT60 was the one taking all the energy in.
[2350.22] Tony: All right, I'll keep charging then.
[2352.22] Tony: So it could have been at 3.8 forever.
[2355.22] Tony: I could leave it on for 10 hours and it would have said 3.8
[2359.22] Tony: because it was charging the other battery.
[2361.22] Tony: That's the thing.
[2363.22] Jack: How it didn't blow up, catch the water cabin,
[2368.22] Jack: the tarpaulin on fire and just maimed people at wings and wheels, I don't know.
[2376.22] Tony: Let's not say where it was because I'm hoping to go back there this year.
[2382.22] Jack: Have you fixed the X-Class?
[2384.22] Tony: Still on the wall in bits with fire, smoke and everything.
[2388.22] Curry: Oh, geez.
[2390.22] Tony: Yeah, that needs to be done at some point.
[2394.22] Curry: So Jack, expect an X-Class left at your place soon to fix.
[2398.22] Jack: No, I don't know. I ain't got like...
[2402.22] Jack: The thing is, he needs to get like, you know, new plates and everything probably.
[2407.22] Jack: That's probably a word with fossil.
[2409.22] Tony: Oh, fossil will sort me out.
[2411.22] Tony: It's just, yeah, getting it all back together and flying.
[2417.22] Tony: I'd like to fly it again because it flies really well.
[2420.22] Tony: I'm not going to race it anymore.
[2422.22] Tony: It's too slow now on 8S, but it's nice to turn up at a show
[2426.22] Tony: and just do, you know, flips and rolls with a big quad.
[2429.22] Tony: And it flies really well, so I'll just...
[2431.22] Tony: And it says, what are you on now?
[2433.22] Tony: 14S.
[2435.22] Tony: 14, 12s and 14s.
[2438.22] Stephen: So this didn't get you hooked on the X-Class bandwagon then, Tony?
[2442.22] Stephen: You're not going to go and build another.
[2444.22] Tony: Too much money. With all my hobbies I've got,
[2446.22] Tony: I literally just have to even my money out about everything.
[2451.22] Stephen: Would you build something in between, like a beast class instead of an X-Class?
[2457.22] Tony: I've got a 7-inch drone, but no, no, I wouldn't really.
[2461.22] Tony: It doesn't appeal to me, to be honest.
[2464.22] Stephen: I've been following some of the builds from this guy up north,
[2467.22] Stephen: of course himself a noisy boy FPV.
[2470.22] Stephen: He's built some monster quads.
[2473.22] Stephen: Yeah, he's built some monster quads that are quite interesting.
[2476.22] Stephen: I don't know how he gets the space behind them.
[2478.22] Tony: I've seen some nice 10-inch stuff really fast,
[2480.22] Tony: and, you know, they're really agile as well.
[2483.22] Tony: I mean, Martian McFly, my McFly,
[2486.22] Tony: built a 7-inch Tomahawk the same as mine.
[2490.22] Tony: I mean, I've built mine for long-range cruising,
[2492.22] Tony: and he's literally...
[2494.22] Tony: Well, you were there at the...
[2496.22] Tony: Yeah, we saw it.
[2498.22] Tony: It rips.
[2500.22] Tony: So, yeah, you can have fun with bigger quads.
[2503.22] Tony: You really can.
[2505.22] Stephen: Yeah, I was tempted to...
[2507.22] Stephen: If I had a field, I'd definitely buy or build a beast class.
[2511.22] Stephen: Just, like, the macro America has caught my eye from Catalyst Machine Works.
[2516.22] Stephen: That looks a bit of a laugh.
[2518.22] Stephen: That's like one of their America race frames,
[2520.22] Stephen: but scaled up to a 9-inch.
[2522.22] Stephen: Looks a lot of fun.
[2524.22] Curry: Yeah.
[2525.22] Curry: It's just not something you do casually,
[2527.22] Curry: because the components are a lot more expensive, aren't they?
[2529.22] Tony: That's the thing.
[2530.22] Tony: Like, if I want to go 12S...
[2532.22] Tony: The motors are about 100 apiece.
[2534.22] Tony: The clifes put in the chat, the ESCs are 100 pound each.
[2538.22] Tony: You need to buy five.
[2540.22] Tony: You know, you need a spare,
[2542.22] Tony: and then you need, you know, it's just...
[2544.22] Tony: You need more batteries.
[2546.22] Tony: It's just like a grand, isn't it?
[2548.22] Tony: So, you know, I've got other hobbies.
[2551.22] Tony: I've got bikes to maintain,
[2553.22] Tony: and boats and guns I've got to buy and stuff, so...
[2561.22] Tony: But the summer's coming, and I'm gonna fly again, so...
[2565.22] Tony: I'm looking forward to getting out and doing some more flying, but...
[2568.22] Tony: It's just been...
[2570.22] Tony: I've lost the attraction-ness of flying every single day is gone.
[2576.22] Tony: You know, when we were first getting into the hobby, we were out.
[2580.22] Tony: I was dragging Jack out of bed, going down Hidden Valley.
[2583.22] Tony: It would be freezing cold, frosty.
[2586.22] Tony: All winters we'd be doing it for a couple of years,
[2589.22] Tony: and that kind of is gone now.
[2592.22] Tony: I'm gonna turn it into a fair weather flyer, I'm afraid.
[2596.22] Jack: I did.
[2598.22] Jack: I did find a video of us a lot,
[2604.22] Jack: like me, you, Simon Braddas,
[2607.22] Jack: and we were just surrounded with dog walkers,
[2610.22] Jack: and it was just mud everywhere,
[2612.22] Jack: and I was just like, why are we doing this?
[2615.22] Tony: Freezing cold.
[2617.22] Jack: Yeah, this is dumb.
[2620.22] Tony: Yeah, so that's gone now for me, but, you know, summer's coming.
[2625.22] Tony: Well, you wouldn't think so.
[2628.22] Tony: Not this week.
[2630.22] Curry: I did try and fly on Sunday, but I ended up going to the field,
[2635.22] Curry: going through the cows, sitting down,
[2638.22] Curry: looking at the GPS on the wing that has got the Oaken board
[2642.22] Curry: installed with OpenHD,
[2644.22] Curry: and noticing the GPS seemed to be not enjoying the fact
[2648.22] Curry: there was a massive Wi-Fi adapter on there
[2650.22] Curry: because it was saying, seven sats, no, four, no, zero, no, seven again.
[2655.22] Curry: And when I have to, like, launch it and put it into return to home
[2659.22] Curry: so I can go sit back down and put the goggles on,
[2661.22] Curry: I'm like, this isn't gonna work.
[2663.22] Curry: Because it's gonna lose the signal on launch or something.
[2667.22] Curry: So I ended up sitting there for an hour in the field,
[2669.22] Curry: trying to figure it out, and then saying,
[2671.22] Curry: no, not flying this, go back again.
[2673.22] Curry: So that was a nice walk.
[2675.22] Curry: I saw some cows, I sat down on some ground.
[2678.22] Curry: That was it.
[2680.22] Jack: At least you were sensible enough not to fly it.
[2684.22] Curry: I've had too many instances of, it'll probably be okay,
[2688.22] Curry: and knowing what happens, or just one last battery,
[2692.22] Curry: that sort of thing, if something's a bit dodgy.
[2695.22] Tony: One last battery.
[2697.22] Tony: Yeah.
[2698.22] Tony: Don't ever do it.
[2699.22] Tony: Always dodgy.
[2700.22] Tony: Take that battery home and discharge it.
[2703.22] Stephen: I've been doing a bit of flying.
[2705.22] Stephen: I've had a bit of fun messing around
[2707.22] Stephen: with all this H7 Malarkey with Betaflight.
[2709.22] Stephen: They seem to have finally fixed that latest release.
[2712.22] Stephen: No more worries with the H7 stuff.
[2715.22] Stephen: That's been an uphill struggle.
[2717.22] Stephen: I actually wrote a target for this GHE MCU stuff.
[2721.22] Stephen: I wrote one of the unified targets
[2723.22] Stephen: so that the damn thing would work properly,
[2727.22] Stephen: and asked people to put the ESC outputs on the oscilloscope,
[2731.22] Stephen: because I don't have one.
[2732.22] Stephen: To be honest, we'd have a hard time figuring out
[2734.22] Stephen: what on earth was going on.
[2735.22] Stephen: They were like, yeah, finally fixed it.
[2736.22] Stephen: Had to change the speed the GPIO pins worked.
[2739.22] Stephen: Apparently, the pins were too fast,
[2741.22] Stephen: and it was just like the signal was decaying.
[2743.22] Stephen: It wasn't holding the level at the end of the message.
[2746.22] Stephen: That was it. It's all good now.
[2748.22] Stephen: So, Betaflight 4.3 should be out soon.
[2750.22] Stephen: And someone managed to hack the DJI goggles as well.
[2753.22] Stephen: Cheers.
[2754.22] Stephen: Yeah, root hack.
[2756.22] Stephen: Yeah, rooted it.
[2757.22] Curry: That's pretty amazing there, 7.
[2760.22] Curry: Well, that's why they've stuffed out another update, isn't it?
[2763.22] Curry: Please update to this. It'll start downgrades.
[2765.22] Curry: No one is going to be upgrading now.
[2767.22] Stephen: Does it hack in firmware?
[2768.22] Stephen: No one at all.
[2770.22] Stephen: I don't think they can force you to upgrade
[2772.22] Stephen: when you activate currently.
[2773.22] Stephen: I'm sure they'll change that approach, the little so-and-so's.
[2776.22] Stephen: But, yeah, currently, they don't force you.
[2779.22] Stephen: And, yeah, you've got all the same OSD menus
[2781.22] Stephen: as you get with the analog VTX.
[2783.22] Stephen: You get the menus you can step through to change your PIDs
[2786.22] Stephen: and to do all the business.
[2789.22] Stephen: Mess around with it.
[2790.22] Jack: Sorry for promising.
[2792.22] Jack: Yeah.
[2793.22] Jack: What was I going to say?
[2795.22] Jack: What FETATEC EOC do you want to buy?
[2799.22] Stephen: Well, they brought out a 12S.
[2802.22] Stephen: I think it's a 20 mil or a 30 mil 4N1.
[2805.22] Stephen: And it's the only 4N1 on the market that goes above 8S.
[2809.22] Stephen: I know there's three or four 8S.
[2812.22] Stephen: There's a really fancy T-motor one that's $150 or $200.
[2817.22] Stephen: It's 80 amps, 8S.
[2819.22] Stephen: There's the one I've got, the Fox Air Reaper,
[2822.22] Stephen: which comes in a couple of sizes.
[2824.22] Stephen: They're either 60 or 65 amp 8S.
[2827.22] Stephen: And there's a cheap HGLRC Zeus one, which does 50 amps, 8S.
[2831.22] Stephen: And then this FETATEC one, only 45 amps, 12S.
[2835.22] Stephen: 12S, mini quad, 4N1.
[2840.22] Stephen: Pretty awesome.
[2841.22] Stephen: Just a neat thing to play with.
[2842.22] Stephen: It probably only takes the FETATEC protocol,
[2844.22] Stephen: so you're forced to run it with the rest of the FETATEC stack,
[2847.22] Stephen: which would be a little bit annoying.
[2849.22] Stephen: But, yeah, just be a cool toy.
[2853.22] Jack: Sorry.
[2854.22] Jack: Just having a little Google of their products from FETATEC.
[2857.22] Stephen: It's like an HV set.
[2860.22] Stephen: FETATEC HV set.
[2862.22] Stephen: It's not on their page.
[2864.22] Stephen: I think it's like a trial product that a few people have leaked about.
[2867.22] Stephen: A guy in Germany did a video, so it's not under NDA or anything.
[2871.22] Stephen: But it's not officially released, I don't think.
[2874.22] Stephen: I mean, even they're officially released stuff you can't buy
[2877.22] Stephen: because it's in stock for about 20 minutes and then gone again.
[2883.59] Curry: 12S, mini quad sounds like a bit of a weird thing.
[2886.59] Curry: Bit of a giggle, though.
[2888.59] Curry: Yeah, I suppose it's like you're building it because you can
[2891.59] Curry: rather than this would be good.
[2893.59] Curry: Yeah, just to see what happens.
[2894.59] Stephen: You should.
[2895.59] Stephen: Balesafe built a 10S, so it's got these little GMB 5S cells
[2900.59] Stephen: and runs two of those in series.
[2904.87] Stephen: Just be interesting to see how it runs.
[2905.87] Tony: You've got to have high KV as well, then.
[2908.87] Stephen: Low KV.
[2910.87] Tony: No, I want you to run high KV.
[2913.87] Stephen: I think he's got like...
[2915.87] Stephen: Christ, he's got 900 KV or something.
[2918.87] Stephen: Yeah, but then you just get a lot of diminishing returns
[2921.87] Stephen: after a point because your props are all flattened out
[2923.87] Stephen: and everything, aren't they?
[2924.87] Tony: Well, I used to run the EMAX 2600 KV on 5S.
[2929.87] Tony: That was fun.
[2930.87] Stephen: Yeah.
[2931.87] Stephen: That's about right, though.
[2933.87] Stephen: That's not too bad.
[2934.87] Stephen: 2500 KV.
[2936.87] Stephen: People are running 2000 KV on 6S now,
[2938.87] Stephen: so they're taking the piss already.
[2940.87] Stephen: That's just a standard racing spec.
[2942.87] Stephen: I think Min Chan Kim's race motors are like 2000 KV
[2946.87] Stephen: and he runs 6S on those.
[2948.87] Stephen: Just nice to mess around with stuff, you know?
[2953.21] Stephen: But yeah, as Caroline Tyler points out,
[2955.21] Stephen: you can get Doom on the GGI goggles.
[2958.21] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2960.21] Stephen: Oh, Balesafe spec here.
[2962.21] Stephen: He said he's running 10S with 1100 KV 2207s.
[2968.21] Stephen: Jesus, man.
[2970.21] Stephen: That's probably sort of about 1950 to 2000 KV
[2974.21] Stephen: on 6S equivalent, right?
[2976.21] Jack: Yeah.
[2977.21] Jack: Have you got any footage for yourself?
[2979.21] Jack: Can you show us something?
[2983.45] Curry: Did you get your 8S build working in the end?
[2985.45] Stephen: It was...
[2986.45] Stephen: Yeah, it's working.
[2989.45] Stephen: I just hit something and knocked out an arm,
[2991.45] Stephen: and then I doubled up the arms,
[2993.45] Stephen: but I haven't bothered to actually drive anywhere and fly it
[2996.45] Stephen: because the weather's been just all over the place.
[2998.45] Stephen: I was standing in the sun taking a call in the park
[3001.45] Stephen: the other day, and then like 20 minutes later,
[3004.45] Stephen: there was a peal of thunder and the skies were grey
[3007.45] Stephen: and it was hammering it down with rain.
[3009.45] Stephen: I had to run indoors.
[3011.45] Stephen: So it's just all over the place.
[3013.45] Tony: It's not been great.
[3015.45] Curry: You know, it's bad when you look in your garden
[3017.45] Curry: and then the furniture you used to have is sort of
[3019.45] Curry: tornadoing around like you're in the Wizard of Oz or something.
[3023.45] Tony: No, my green bin went flying down the driveway today.
[3029.45] Tony: Nice.
[3031.45] Tony: Yeah, cool on camera.
[3033.45] Koel: Yeah, it hasn't been the best in Canada either.
[3036.45] Koel: I've had like one decent day
[3039.45] Koel: where I was able to get a quick little flight in,
[3041.45] Koel: but it's been rainy and yeah.
[3044.45] Tony: Great skies like us.
[3047.45] Stephen: Oh, you pulled it.
[3049.45] Stephen: Fail safe on his 10S build here.
[3052.45] Stephen: He's kind of a lunatic, Ethan, on a regular quad.
[3055.45] Stephen: So I'm not sure how much is the pilot
[3057.45] Stephen: and how much is the quad here,
[3059.45] Stephen: but it's certainly a capable machine he's got.
[3062.45] Stephen: Holy ****.
[3063.45] Stephen: That spins like a boss drill, doesn't it?
[3066.45] Stephen: It really does.
[3067.45] Stephen: He's got some reflexes on him as fail safe.
[3069.45] Stephen: Everything's just a blur.
[3072.45] Stephen: It's like the Matrix.
[3074.45] Stephen: Correct us if we're wrong, but he usually
[3076.45] Stephen: flies like with a Runcam Orange and no stabilization as well
[3079.45] Stephen: just to make all of us feel even worse about our flying skills.
[3083.45] Stephen: Yeah.
[3085.45] Stephen: That thing's shifting.
[3087.45] Tony: Nice.
[3090.34] Tony: Just a feel and a couple of trees.
[3092.34] Curry: Yeah.
[3093.34] Curry: Make your own fun.
[3094.34] Curry: That's all you need, isn't it?
[3095.34] Curry: It's just luxury having a feel.
[3097.34] Curry: I think if there's something that stops
[3099.34] Curry: a sort of easy, able to fly,
[3101.34] Curry: it's like if you could walk out your door and fly,
[3104.34] Curry: then you'd probably do it a lot more often.
[3106.34] Curry: If you have to make a big plava of it
[3108.34] Curry: and load up the car and drive for 40 minutes
[3110.34] Curry: and then watch out for dog walkers,
[3112.34] Curry: it'll become a bit of a hassle, doesn't it, sometimes?
[3115.34] Stephen: Yeah.
[3116.34] Stephen: Well, I don't regret anyone getting an exercise.
[3118.34] Stephen: The whole lockdown thing did actually force a lot of people
[3122.34] Stephen: out to the parks and fields,
[3124.34] Stephen: which made it a little bit harder to go for a fly.
[3126.34] Tony: Oh, dear.
[3127.34] Tony: Don't talk to me about the overweight ladies in their gear
[3133.34] Tony: running in lockdown.
[3135.34] Tony: Oh, my God, it's funny.
[3137.34] Stephen: I won't follow that one up.
[3140.34] Stephen: But yeah, it looks like a bit of a giggle running tennis.
[3145.34] Curry: Yeah, running anything that sounds silly should be done just for fun.
[3151.34] Jack: Have you guys practiced for the bonus pod and the fire?
[3158.34] Jack: Don't forget, if you're a lovely Patreon,
[3162.34] Jack: we're going to be doing a bonus pod
[3164.34] Jack: about reviewing your video clips to do with fire.
[3169.34] Jack: So if you have done that,
[3173.34] Jack: or if you haven't, go to our Discord and post it in the video section
[3180.34] Jack: of your various flights involving fire.
[3187.65] Stephen: And I will post a link to the server in the chat here
[3191.65] Stephen: so that people can come find it.
[3194.65] Jack: Yeah.
[3195.65] Jack: So yeah, come and hang out.
[3198.65] Jack: If you're not a Patreon and you submitted a pretty good video,
[3205.65] Jack: we'll send you a PM link so you can join and watch.
[3211.65] Jack: If it's a particularly good video,
[3213.65] Jack: we'll have a quick flick through before we start.
[3217.65] Jack: So keep an eye out on the Discord.
[3220.65] Jack: Join the Discord.
[3222.65] Jack: If you want to be a Patreon and support us,
[3225.65] Jack: it'll be amazing because it means that the show can keep going for longer.
[3229.65] Jack: We can continue paying the editor and uploading.
[3233.65] Jack: And everything's great.
[3236.65] Jack: And we just, you know, we love you guys.
[3240.65] Jack: Anything else, guys?
[3242.65] Jack: You're good.
[3243.65] Jack: You're ready for this?
[3244.65] Koel: I mean, unless you guys want to see me crashing my drone last time I flew.
[3249.65] Koel: Yes, please.
[3251.65] Koel: All right.
[3252.65] Stephen: Yes, of course we do.
[3254.65] Stephen: We like even a question.
[3256.65] Stephen: Let me see.
[3257.65] Koel: Wait.
[3258.65] Koel: Share screen.
[3259.65] Koel: Okay.
[3260.65] Koel: Hold on.
[3262.65] Koel: Found a little spot close to where I live,
[3264.65] Koel: which is I could get away with because no one was around.
[3267.65] Koel: But it's kind of tough in Toronto to find spots to fly.
[3270.65] Curry: I would like to see your videos.
[3273.65] Curry: More Canadian themed.
[3275.65] Curry: I want to see at least one moose or a bear in the next one.
[3279.65] Koel: I have to drive about two hours north to do that.
[3282.65] Koel: That's fine.
[3283.65] Stephen: We'll accept that.
[3284.65] Stephen: Are you kind of in a metropolitan area then?
[3286.65] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[3287.65] Koel: I live literally right downtown Toronto.
[3288.65] Koel: So I had to, I found a spot which is about 15, 20 minutes.
[3291.65] Koel: It's, I don't really know what it is, but there was some open space.
[3294.65] Koel: I'm assuming it's private property, but there were dog walkers.
[3297.65] Koel: So it's very brown.
[3299.65] Stephen: It looks like you set your camera to brown mode.
[3302.65] Koel: No, just everything is very brown right now.
[3305.65] Koel: Well, this day specifically, but you can see kind of like the city.
[3310.65] Tony: You see the city just looks like you're maybe flying in England,
[3314.65] Tony: gray clouds, no leaves on the tree.
[3316.65] Stephen: Yeah.
[3317.65] Stephen: Yeah.
[3318.65] Stephen: A bit browner though.
[3319.65] Tony: It's not.
[3320.65] Tony: It is a little bit browner.
[3321.65] Stephen: We are a bit.
[3322.65] Stephen: We don't get cold.
[3323.65] Stephen: So the snow never gets around to actually killing stuff.
[3325.65] Stephen: So it's like muddy and a bit greener and dark rather than muddy and browner
[3330.65] Stephen: and dark.
[3331.65] Tony: I wasn't trying to crash.
[3333.65] Koel: Yeah.
[3334.65] Koel: It wasn't that bad.
[3335.65] Koel: Like I was able, I mean, you can see, I was able to, um, okay,
[3338.65] Koel: hold on.
[3339.65] Koel: I was able to fly away from it.
[3341.65] Koel: So if, uh, well, it's not really a crash if you can fly away from it.
[3346.65] Stephen: Good.
[3348.65] Jack: All right, guys.
[3349.65] Jack: That is all we've got time for.
[3351.65] Jack: Uh, you, you've been listening to left show now.
[3354.65] Jack: Uh, you've been joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3357.65] Jack: Good night.
[3358.65] Jack: Everyone's favorite little, uh, ESC file starter, Stephen.
[3363.65] Jack: Cheers.
[3364.65] Jack: Thanks everyone.
[3366.65] Jack: The man who does the, uh, thumbnails.
[3369.65] Jack: Cole.
[3370.65] Jack: See you.
[3371.65] Jack: My, uh, there's always a fire in our bed.
[3375.65] Tony: My darling.
[3381.65] Jack: Always saying don't be on fire, but it's constantly lighting things on fire.
[3386.65] Jack: I'm bright until I fly.
[3387.65] Jack: Thank you.
[3388.65] Koel: Good night.
[3391.65] Koel: Telemetry lost.