=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 353 ===
Title: LDO 353 - Two tone Koel, two direction Curry, too not-at-EMF-Camp Jack. Only one Stephen.
Recorded: 2022-06-02
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,196
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOnhAsky_fk); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1280869222-letsdroneout-ldo-353-two-tone-koel-two-direction-curry-too-not-at-emf-camp-jack-only-one-stephen.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to...
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos
[16.0] Frank: Art Faulkner
[18.0] Frank: Sam Dahmer
[20.0] Koel: On with the show
[22.0] Koel: Let's Drone Out
[52.29] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out
[55.29] Jack: Tonight you're joined by everyone, so you're at Curry Kitten
[58.29] Jack: Hello
[59.29] Jack: Carl
[60.29] Jack: Howdy
[61.29] Jack: Steven
[62.29] Jack: Hello
[63.29] Jack: And I'm Jack, Bright Until I Fly
[65.29] Jack: Hello
[67.29] Jack: And let's start the show
[70.29] Curry: First thing we should discuss is Carl's two-tone head, which I... Nate, once you see it, you can't unsee it
[75.29] Jack: Of what the weird... yeah, what's that about? Is that wearing a hat?
[81.29] Koel: Yeah, long story short, I went to a race car sort of event thing and I decided to wear my hat backwards on a bright day. Great idea
[91.29] Stephen: I was thinking, did you have some kind of bandana or something going on there? It's hard to visualize
[97.29] Koel: No, it was just... I don't have a hat handy to show you, but no, it was just me being silly and not really realizing I should wear my hat the right way
[108.29] Jack: Trouble is, it would get in the way of the camera, wouldn't it?
[111.29] Koel: It would, yeah, yeah
[113.29] Jack: It's what you do for your art
[114.29] Koel: Yeah, you know, gotta get these sunburns, it's all for the greater good
[120.29] Jack: Has anyone been flying this week?
[123.29] Jack: A little bit, yeah
[125.29] Koel: I haven't flown this week, unfortunately, no
[128.29] Jack: Oh, Steven, what have you been flying then? Tell us what's going on
[134.29] Stephen: I'm trying to remember what the heck I was flying now, I think I got my little analogue two doors out and started flying them
[139.29] Stephen: Oh yeah, I flew something, yeah
[142.29] Stephen: I decided to fly analogue to remember what it was like in the bad old days
[146.29] Stephen: I got this GEP RC Phoenix 2.5 out, which I thought was a rip-roaring monster of a quad when I got it
[154.29] Stephen: It's a 4S 2.5-inch with 4,500 kV motors, oh, the power
[160.29] Stephen: And hard-mounted stack
[164.29] Stephen: And apparently very little in the way of separation between the video feed and the ESC
[172.29] Stephen: It was fun
[175.29] Stephen: And then I looked, I flew this back-to-back with a 2.5-inch that I built myself and thought
[182.29] Stephen: Yeah, I am pretty good at building quads, I was quite happy with my building skills after this
[187.29] Stephen: Because it was fuzzy and horrific
[191.29] Stephen: It was interesting because I remember flying this and being astounded by the speed back in the day
[196.29] Stephen: I started on micros, I didn't start on 5-inch, so this was, yeah, brought back some memories
[201.29] Stephen: But not necessarily good memories when you compare it to newer builds
[206.29] Curry: So you do seem a bit of a digital snob, so what made you go back and try some analogue to remember the bad old days?
[217.1] Curry: I've just got so much of it kicking around
[219.1] Stephen: I mean, you think, oh, digital snob, he's just got digital
[222.1] Stephen: I think I've got this little guy, which is quite fun
[228.1] Stephen: I've been kind of getting them out, I've got one of these little carbon fibre antennas
[232.1] Stephen: And I just felt like revisiting some of the lighter quads
[235.1] Stephen: Because I do like digital, but I don't really think you can do digital or anything less than a 3-inch
[242.1] Stephen: And you have to kind of really go light to get it down to a 3-inch
[246.1] Stephen: It's kind of, it's a bit of a compromise
[249.1] Stephen: And yeah, I just felt like flying some of the smaller Park Flyer builds
[253.1] Stephen: So I put a Jamden ELRS in here, which used to have an FR sky
[258.1] Stephen: It's a terrible build, like the FC is touching the top plate
[262.1] Stephen: And the amount of force required to get the receiver in there and put the top plate on
[267.1] Stephen: means the top plate is bulging slightly in the middle
[270.1] Stephen: It's really not ideal
[272.1] Stephen: It flies surprisingly well considering all that pain that I've put it through
[278.1] Stephen: Yeah, I just felt like monkeying around a bit with some of them for the sake of old time
[282.1] Stephen: Has anyone else done anything this week?
[285.1] Curry: No, I was just going to say though, you say you can't get under sort of 3 inches for digital
[289.1] Curry: But I did know this appearing on my YouTube feed today
[293.1] Curry: Although I haven't looked at them as the HD0 whoop light kit
[298.1] Curry: Did anybody notice that or has anybody watched them?
[301.1] Curry: No, I haven't
[302.1] Curry: Yeah, I saw that
[303.1] Curry: I think Painus looked at one, Medtech looked at one, I just haven't watched them
[308.1] Stephen: You can do it
[310.1] Stephen: I think HD0 is a very different proposition
[313.1] Stephen: You can definitely do it a bit lighter
[315.1] Stephen: It's just, you have to compromise a bit
[317.1] Stephen: For instance, you can put DJI on a 2.5 inch
[320.1] Stephen: That was my first DJI quad
[322.1] Stephen: You see that huge gap in the chassis
[324.1] Stephen: It's because that's designed for a full size air unit on 2.5 inch props
[329.1] Stephen: And it flies like a whale on a go-kart
[332.1] Stephen: It's awful
[334.1] Stephen: It's got these fancy LEDs to make you think it's high tech and cool
[337.1] Stephen: So they flash, quite a lot of LEDs on top
[341.1] Stephen: But it flew absolute pants
[343.1] Stephen: So yeah, the whoop VTX is nice
[345.1] Stephen: You get a very small camera, you get like a board camera
[348.1] Stephen: Instead of a camera that has a molded metal housing
[351.1] Stephen: You've just got the PCB, which is a nice touch, right?
[355.1] Koel: So just flat and little lens on the front kind of thing
[359.1] Stephen: The same thing you see on whoops basically
[361.1] Stephen: Where you dispense with the camera housing with the bolts in the side
[364.1] Stephen: I did also notice that Betaflight finally put out RC7
[368.1] Stephen: And fixed the issue with the ICM2689 gyros
[375.1] Stephen: Where they were worried that it might brick some of your gyros
[379.1] Stephen: So I started to get out my rare and weirder builds like this Recon 5
[384.1] Stephen: And I upgraded that because that was with the affected gyro
[387.1] Stephen: And yeah, it's still yours
[390.1] Stephen: It still registers your movement, so off to a good start there
[394.1] Stephen: Probably flies like pants, but it's always been a bit of a pain, this
[398.1] Jack: Is it because they're waiting on the new, you know, having to switch over to different gyros
[405.1] Stephen: Yeah, the MPU6000 has been basically end of life since forever
[410.1] Stephen: And people started to migrate to what they thought were newer gyros that they should be using
[415.1] Stephen: And some of them moved to BMI270
[418.1] Stephen: And the MPU6000 you could sample 8K
[421.1] Stephen: The BMI270 apparently you can only sample at 3.2K
[425.1] Stephen: Which just throws off air all the timings inside the FC
[429.1] Stephen: And this week they've been debugging these issues
[432.1] Stephen: And they reached out to TDK who makes the gyros
[435.1] Stephen: And TDK have been like, well, why the hell are you using that?
[438.1] Stephen: That's not the right one to use
[441.1] Stephen: They've got these thousands of FCs the manufacturers have made out in the wild
[445.1] Stephen: And it turns out that the vendors just kind of were throwing darts at the product sheet for gyros
[452.1] Stephen: And they went to TDK who are completely befuddled as to why anyone would have used that particular model
[457.1] Stephen: It doesn't make any sense
[459.1] Stephen: So I think we're starting to see some interesting guidance coming out of the Betaflight team
[465.1] Stephen: Where they are looking to take the initiative
[469.1] Stephen: And rather than wait for board manufacturers to make any old stuff
[473.1] Stephen: And they have to deal with it
[475.1] Stephen: They're going to get out ahead of it
[476.1] Stephen: And start to actually recommend the chips that should be used
[480.1] Stephen: And talk to the people who make gyros
[482.1] Stephen: And try and narrow down what is a good gyro ahead of time
[486.1] Stephen: Because otherwise they've got to cope with a fallout of a half dozen different gyros
[491.1] Stephen: And none of which quite work properly
[496.1] Jack: And that's all still in the testing stage
[500.1] Jack: Or is this a release candidate, isn't it?
[504.1] Jack: It's not an official release
[505.1] Jack: Oh yeah, they're on RC7 now
[507.1] Stephen: And RC7, they changed a bunch of stuff with GPS by the sound of it
[512.1] Stephen: There's almost enough work that GPS
[517.1] Stephen: They were talking about putting it into the 4.4 release
[521.1] Stephen: Because as far as that can...
[522.1] Stephen: Well, some people are saying that the amount of GPS fixes actually warrant it being a major update
[528.1] Stephen: Not just at RC
[529.1] Stephen: RCs are supposed to be...
[531.1] Stephen: Everything broadly works
[532.1] Stephen: You just fix the features that you intended to put in at the start
[536.1] Stephen: Whereas the GPS return to home behavior is going to be a lot more polished
[543.1] Stephen: It's not just they removed some bugs
[546.1] Stephen: It handles everything completely differently from what I can hear
[550.1] Stephen: To the point where it actually just...
[552.1] Stephen: It doesn't bounce anymore
[554.1] Stephen: It'll land and disarm smoothly
[557.1] Stephen: They'll return to home
[559.1] Stephen: If it did land, it would bounce around like a lunatic
[562.1] Stephen: And maybe like flip itself over and do...
[565.1] Stephen: Lord knows what
[566.1] Stephen: And now apparently it's incredibly polished
[569.1] Stephen: So I'm looking forward to actually trying that out
[571.1] Stephen: I've never really been brave enough to try the return to home combination of not being brave enough
[577.1] Stephen: And never wanting to prevent myself from arming without the GPS lock
[583.1] Stephen: So I'd just be like, ah, we'll use return to home
[585.1] Stephen: I'll just use it as a speedo
[587.1] Stephen: Because I'm not patient enough to wait
[590.1] Stephen: Yeah
[591.1] Curry: They've got an actual return to home
[593.1] Curry: Because previously rescue mode was I'm going to crash basically at you
[597.1] Curry: Pilot aimed quad was pretty much what you were talking about before, right?
[601.1] Curry: So they're now coming up with the basis of it will attempt to land and disarm
[605.1] Stephen: Yeah
[606.1] Curry: Wow
[607.1] Curry: Well, it was always possible
[609.1] Curry: The problem is it just didn't know which way it was facing
[612.1] Curry: But you could determine that by going in a forwards manner
[615.1] Curry: And determining it from what happens on the GPS coordinates, couldn't you?
[619.1] Curry: It's just somebody had to get around to actually writing that
[622.1] Stephen: Yeah, Chris Thompson has done a lot of work now CT snooze
[628.1] Stephen: He's put a ton of work in there and it's looking really promising
[631.1] Stephen: And there's talk in the next release of Altitude Hold and things as well
[636.1] Stephen: So remember when Tommy was on and he was saying, ah, all these pilots, they really love beta flight
[641.1] Stephen: But they're absolutely crapping themselves because they've got $20,000 of camera in the air
[647.1] Stephen: And if they fly under a bridge and it, you know, loses signal
[652.1] Stephen: They don't necessarily want GPS return to home where it flies up into the underside of a bridge or something
[657.1] Stephen: They want it just stay there until you get signal back
[660.1] Stephen: Well, that's going to be implemented by the sound of it, which is very promising
[664.1] Stephen: So it will just hold itself at an altitude and not try and fly back to the pilot
[669.1] Stephen: Just be like, oh, no signal. Well, I guess I'll stay here until I get signal again
[674.1] Koel: Which I think that's pretty much very similar to what the DJI FPV drone does
[680.1] Koel: I saw a guy post a video recently where he I guess fail safed
[685.1] Koel: And then his quad will just just hover is basically on the spot. So that's kind of cool
[691.1] Koel: Just extra safety features, right?
[694.1] Jack: Yeah, you do you do run into these guys who have like return to home
[700.1] Jack: And they've got a problem with their transmitter and all it does is fly back to them and torment them
[706.1] Jack: And they have to stay there and wait for it to crash
[711.1] Stephen: That's all out the sky stays 50 foot in the sky and meanders round approaching the nearby trees
[719.1] Curry: Daring them. Yeah, just imagine people running around with their hands out just for when it's going to go
[726.74] Koel: And hope the props aren't still spinning
[729.74] Koel: Yeah, be fine
[732.74] Stephen: What's a failure to I'm still a bit scared to try the seven inch I had this prop resonance issue
[738.74] Stephen: And I found that HQ make macro quad props, right?
[742.74] Stephen: Where they're carbon fiber ones instead of polycarbonate that carbon fiber reinforced resin
[749.74] Stephen: And I'm pretty sure it's gonna stop the props flexing
[754.74] Stephen: But I'm slightly terrified to try it out because the props now look kind of side like and dangerous
[762.74] Stephen: And I want a much larger space to try it out. I think basically a bunch of knives on your quad
[769.74] Stephen: Yeah, it's a little bit scary
[772.74] Jack: That's the problem with the old carbon fiber like props
[776.74] Jack: They they were I remember the back in the day the injuries from them were like nothing else
[786.34] Koel: Well, even just the regular props that I use when I have to, you know, swap swap them out or anything
[792.34] Koel: My fingers get cut up from having to hold on to them tight enough to get the you know, just to get the
[799.34] Stephen: We all suffer from baby engineer hands, don't we too much time indoors
[804.34] Stephen: I get so much stick to help my wife out in the garden
[808.34] Stephen: I've got the strength to lift stuff, but I've got like a baby engineer hands
[811.34] Stephen: So I get myself a blister in like five minutes doing any like real work
[819.34] Stephen: What else is goodies exceedingly cheap value goodies
[824.34] Stephen: Have you heard of pro drone?
[828.34] Stephen: Can't say I have
[830.34] Stephen: There are a bunch of Polish guys and they make these these dipoles, right?
[835.34] Stephen: So it's a folded dipole. So you've got, you know, the core of the coax going one way and the shielding going the other way
[841.34] Stephen: And they hand make these and tune them and I think this is 70 Polish slotty
[848.34] Stephen: Which roughly translates into sweet nothing in English money
[854.34] Stephen: Yeah, half a sausage roll. They're a really nice bunch of people came with an absolute ton of those little nuts
[862.34] Stephen: The little plastic 3d printed nuts that you put on us SMA and 10. Oh, the spin is
[869.34] Stephen: Yeah, I'm gonna see what how much is 70 slotty in pounds
[875.34] Stephen: Yes, I think the whole thing was like 13 quid for a couple of them
[881.34] Stephen: It wasn't very much. There were like five or six quid per
[885.34] Stephen: Her antenna for a handmade antenna is nothing and they seem really solidly made
[890.34] Stephen: So I've replaced my dodgy FR sky antennas with those
[895.34] Jack: Yeah, I had a buddy like pop round last night. So I gave him a plane and had a look through some of the old flying footage
[908.34] Jack: Yeah, I keep my veins up there. So I've got a I've still got a finished one and
[917.34] Jack: Hopefully I'll go and fly soon. There's just no no one around down here to fly with
[923.34] Jack: I suppose I could, you know, give a few people a shout but yeah, it's pretty quiet
[929.34] Stephen: I should point out there weren't 70 slotty each. There were 25 slotty each
[934.34] Stephen: There were 70 slotty for two of them and postage. So yeah, it was pretty cheap
[940.34] Jack: I can pull out an X nectar to my bare hands. Don't mess with shady lads
[948.26] Jack: He can he can twist your nipples right off
[954.26] Koel: Caroline
[955.26] Koel: I know
[956.26] Koel: Jack's looking up at my bottom, my fanny as you guys would say
[961.26] Koel: Is that right?
[962.26] Curry: No, that's the front bottom for a lady
[964.26] Koel: Well, that last Canadian say it wrong then interesting
[968.26] Jack: Yeah, and the Yanks
[970.26] Jack: Yeah
[972.26] Jack: Yeah
[974.26] Jack: Because we call it a bum bag
[977.26] Koel: Or a fanny pack
[979.26] Koel: Oh
[981.26] Koel: Interesting. So that's a that's a no-no
[985.26] Koel: It's just a Hawaiian shirt
[992.26] Koel: Party party Stephen
[994.26] Jack: I know Cole's wearing a Jim shark shirt by the looks of it
[998.26] Koel: Oh, yeah. Yeah
[1001.57] Jack: Like working out super fit stuff
[1003.57] Stephen: What have you been up to Jack doing any soldering any projects this week?
[1008.57] Jack: No, like my bench is still absolutely a tip
[1013.57] Jack: I've been I'd be mainly doing bit of 3d printing and retro video gaming
[1020.57] Jack: So what's that?
[1023.57] Jack: Raspberry Pi model b3 so printed a nice little case
[1030.57] Jack: Yeah
[1033.57] Jack: Yeah, what do you run on that?
[1036.57] Jack: I was by retro pie. So I've been playing some old school. The thing is I'm waiting for the operation. I'm
[1046.57] Jack: You know, I've had to come off my meds. I'm not very well
[1049.57] Jack: So I can't really get out and I supposed to be with Frank EMF this week, but
[1056.57] Jack: Not wanting to get covered
[1060.57] Jack: I'm just having to like sit out really
[1064.57] Jack: Which sucks because I paid money for an Airbnb and a
[1069.57] Jack: Electromagnetic field ticket. So Frank's off for having the time of his life
[1076.57] Stephen: So if um, if you're looking at something to tinker with on the pie, I totally recommend Bato Sarah
[1081.57] Stephen: Which is this Linux distro that includes a ton of different emulators with a nice front end
[1087.57] Stephen: And it's designed to plug into a TV or like a little handheld console
[1092.57] Stephen: Looks really really nice. I've run in that on a couple of boxes around the house
[1096.57] Stephen: I used to run it on a high powered PC and it would do everything from the really really ancient consoles like
[1102.57] Stephen: Original Nintendo stuff all the way up to ps3 and just puts everything under one roof, which is kind of nice
[1111.57] Jack: Yeah
[1113.57] Jack: Tail spin you failed at the ease a bit of a weird one the old retro pie
[1118.57] Jack: But you just kind of put the wrongs
[1121.57] Jack: you kind of get the
[1124.57] Jack: You're like plugging a USB and then it's sort of like generates a root directory
[1131.57] Jack: We're like loads of different consoles on and then you put the roms in that and then it will load the roms off
[1139.57] Jack: The USB which I thought was an all right way to do do it, but it was a bit weird
[1147.57] Stephen: It's a front-end for emulation station as net most of these emulation station under the hood
[1152.57] Jack: Yeah, send me the link to the
[1155.57] Stephen: Yeah, I popped in the YouTube chat
[1157.57] Stephen: Thanks, but it's nice to tinker with with battle Sarah like you get you get the same thing for Raspberry Pi
[1164.57] Stephen: and PC and a whole bunch of SBCs
[1167.57] Stephen: So you can have them on different bits of hardware and still have the same UI and same compatibility. It's quite nice
[1175.57] Stephen: Anyway this week on emulation weekly
[1178.57] Jack: I know
[1180.01] Jack: Yeah, I just haven't haven't been able to
[1184.01] Jack: You know sort of like go out and
[1187.65] Jack: Go fly which sucks. So I'm I'm having to live vicariously through other people
[1195.41] Koel: Yeah, I I flew the last time that I flew I mean everything was all good
[1200.53] Koel: I was just doing some basic
[1202.29] Koel: Maintenance on my quad because I crashed into a bunch of mud
[1204.77] Koel: So just like cleaning it up and getting the dirt off and whatnot
[1207.97] Koel: Well, I managed to rip the antenna
[1212.13] Koel: Like from the I guess the installation
[1215.49] Koel: for my VTX and I had to replace that which was
[1220.53] Koel: you know, it's not that difficult, but it yeah, it was just kind of annoying and
[1225.93] Koel: Yeah, so that was basically the only thing I've done in the past week quad related
[1230.93] Stephen: but you know, I
[1234.05] Koel: just the
[1235.45] Koel: Tramp here the immersion RC stuff
[1241.21] Koel: Actually have a couple sitting around I don't know where they are right now, but I just got a pack of them
[1245.73] Koel: Oh, sorry antenna. What am I talking about? I have I think I have like the TBS. Oh
[1253.29] Koel: You mean you like ripped off the pigtail? I'm in the pigtail. Yeah, I don't know why I said antenna
[1259.69] Koel: Yeah, but antenna wise I'm just using the
[1263.01] Koel: What's the sort of standard TBS antenna?
[1268.45] Koel: What's the name of it now triumph I think yeah
[1271.23] Stephen: Oh the OG orange ones that kind of like four corners
[1276.01] Koel: I've got four bumps around them. It is that but it's the black version
[1280.57] Stephen: So I'm not sure that's like the black ones are our HCP and the orange ones are LHC be
[1286.73] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, I'm right hand. I'm running right hand. Yeah, that was the old ones. I've got a orange some DJI
[1293.41] Stephen: Yeah, they work pretty well
[1295.29] Koel: Yeah, I I've so far. I've used the the menace
[1301.45] Koel: The menace ones the mad mushrooms from video aerial systems. I've tried the
[1306.57] Koel: Triumph some I mean, yeah, the triumph seems to be pretty good
[1312.65] Stephen: What about the old the Canadian bulletproof antenna? Have you tried these guys with the carbon fiber stem?
[1319.25] Koel: So I haven't tried that is it the matchstick one or that's the matchstick one
[1323.33] Stephen: Yeah, which is where they put this tube as a carbon fiber rod instead of a bit of insulation that they normally use
[1329.97] Koel: so the only true RC antenna I've tried so far is I can't remember the name of it, but I
[1336.53] Koel: It was it was on like the sort of like lower and budget
[1340.01] Koel: Version, so I probably should have spent a little bit more and got the sort of higher-end one
[1345.45] Koel: But I wasn't that impressed. But again, it was a really cheap one
[1349.33] Stephen: Yeah, someone someone was raving about them. So I thought I'd give it a shot. I've just got the one so far
[1355.09] Stephen: I haven't broken it, but I've only flown it once. We'll see. Yeah
[1358.77] Stephen: Hasn't curry got some cool hardware that he's been checking out. You've gone all I flight seven inch crazy
[1365.53] Curry: Yeah, although that was weeks ago. I flew that that was the chimera seven. I just managed to get round to actually
[1372.01] Curry: Doing the last bit of the video for it this week because I was feeling rough and I was gonna fly some more and then I
[1377.49] Curry: Thought I don't know when I'm gonna fly again. I'm just gonna put the video out. But yeah, that was good fun
[1381.13] Curry: It was a nice
[1382.57] Curry: It's like the old days of quads when you pick it up and he says war. This is heavy
[1386.49] Curry: But yeah, it's a good is a good cruising
[1389.57] Curry: Platform and because it's so big so long and has big plates and you can put the batteries on top or underneath
[1395.81] Curry: Basically, I got it so I could replace the some bits with open HD
[1399.73] Curry: so it's got plenty room to put the PI zero in and
[1402.93] Curry: the Wi-Fi adapter and the digital camera
[1406.17] Curry: So that should be my my replacement quad
[1409.85] Curry: build for open HD, basically
[1412.25] Curry: Which sounds that would sounds weird to talk about it only like a month ago. It was there was DJI
[1417.65] Curry: There's possibly this thing called HD zero and now I can't look at my YouTube feed without seeing the latest
[1425.33] Curry: speculation video about what
[1427.49] Curry: Walk walk snail will have or what the new DJI goggles will bring because nobody knows and I'm sure
[1434.13] Curry: Fat shark are just loving
[1436.33] Curry: Everybody just speculating nonstop about it. They could very easily clear up any rumors with some actual facts
[1444.05] Curry: But they I'm sure they're loving the fact that people have talked about this
[1446.97] Stephen: I'm sure they're loving the press but asking people to plonk down
[1451.33] Stephen: $700 for a pre-order doesn't seem to be helping the many because it turns out the fly we were asking
[1457.33] Stephen: $2 for a pre-order
[1459.05] Stephen: So a lot of people have just gone and ordered the fly we ones and be like, oh, maybe I'll wait another month after fat
[1465.65] Stephen: Shark, whatever, but you know, it's a lot less than 700
[1471.05] Curry: It's big money. That's the thing. Everything is gonna be big money for quite a while. Yeah. Yeah
[1478.33] Curry: No matter what?
[1481.31] Stephen: Yeah, I went I went looking for flight controllers just idly wondering. There's a couple of old
[1489.15] Stephen: Units where I thought I needed to upgrade as one that I really want to fly
[1495.39] Stephen: This guy which is a 4-inch that I built a long time ago and I couldn't get it working properly
[1500.51] Stephen: It's got one of these pin connected
[1502.79] Stephen: FC and ESCs which I've always suspected. It was a death trap
[1507.07] Stephen: This is the only quad I've actually fitted a beeper onto like a battery-powered beeper
[1513.39] Stephen: And I want to fly it but every time I fly it tries to fly away
[1518.15] Stephen: and it just kind of one time it just went bananas and I thought I'd lost it and I had to go hunting for it
[1523.47] Stephen: It just took off and
[1525.75] Stephen: Yeah, I God knows what was up with it
[1528.39] Stephen: So I'm looking to replace it but all the the nice h7 FC seem to have dried up and get a Maytec
[1535.19] Stephen: but nothing else and
[1537.51] Stephen: ESCs seem to have just started to cost the earth all of a sudden a little bit worried cost too much
[1544.51] Stephen: I do. Yeah, it's getting stupid the last month. Yeah
[1548.11] Curry: I did want to pick up me and you had a quick conversation a couple of days ago
[1552.83] Curry: And I thought it'd be interesting to to put this out there to our viewers at the moment because it's about the the new
[1560.27] Curry: open-source
[1561.43] Curry: ESCs
[1563.15] Curry: You were talking to a vendor about and that they're starting to talk about getting the very first one out
[1568.71] Curry: and I've already forgotten the name of it because I'm
[1571.75] Stephen: Got to it was am 32 and it's coming out from sky stars
[1577.15] Stephen: yeah, they they tweaked an earlier ESC they had a 55 amp 4m1 and
[1584.55] Stephen: They're releasing it with am 32 pre-flashed which is nice because if you flash it yourself you're dealing with kind of
[1591.15] Stephen: one mill pads and
[1593.31] Stephen: They're not labeled you have to kind of I had to use a continuity checker and run down the pins to figure out which
[1601.11] Stephen: was the
[1603.59] Stephen: The SWD and SWC pins and then get the ST link to run flash it and that's a pain in the bottom
[1611.27] Stephen: It's doable if you're patient and careful, but it's painful. So they're pre flashing these
[1617.15] Stephen: It sounds like they're manually pre flashing them and it's seems to be a bit pricey
[1624.03] Curry: But as soon as that's on there
[1625.47] Curry: You're saying that one of the things you liked about that
[1627.67] Curry: I remember is like you just get like a Chrome browser and you can do any changes and stuff to ESCs like that
[1633.19] Curry: because I was interested in this because
[1636.43] Curry: you were quite excited about it because there's bail heli support on like Linux and
[1641.99] Curry: Anything that's not Windows. It's not very good. And my point of view was I'm just not sure
[1648.23] Curry: how excited other people would be about it because I think messing around with ESCs is one of the things I
[1655.67] Curry: Do the least I might do it on initial start up and it's mainly because all that one needs reversing because you know
[1661.63] Curry: You do the lottery about wiring motors up and it's like that one runs the wrong way. I was really interested to know if
[1667.67] Curry: People got excited about this because I was like, I mean, it's it's good
[1672.31] Curry: There's other things but it's very rare that I'm flying the quad and I think oh man
[1676.59] Curry: The CSC is not right unless and this is quite obviously very very wrong. It's not something I fiddle with
[1682.31] Curry: What about you guys?
[1683.99] Jack: Yeah, well, I run kissed and I and the only
[1689.19] Jack: Variation I've had is
[1692.87] Stephen: The ones that don't catch fire and the ones that do catch fire, yeah
[1697.27] Jack: basically risking my life at the FedEx and
[1701.91] Jack: So much so that the I
[1705.83] Jack: Was basically building a six-inch quad even though I've only really got
[1712.99] Jack: My eB1 6s battery which I've combined to
[1721.87] Jack: Combined to
[1723.71] Jack: tattoo 3s together
[1726.23] Jack: Which is not something I should really be admitting out loud
[1731.43] Jack: exciting, but yeah, and
[1736.15] Jack: Just haven't really
[1738.11] Jack: Got the flight controller for it or another VTX
[1742.91] Jack: So it just kind of stopped there. I've got the motors. I've got the
[1749.83] Jack: Fenter here see
[1752.75] Jack: But yeah, like there's no VTX is out there and
[1759.19] Jack: I've got a camera and you know, just trying to get you know, either either by
[1766.51] Jack: You know either by a
[1770.27] Jack: You know kiss V2 flight controller or you know try and
[1776.27] Jack: You know, it's trying to hold out for another
[1782.35] Jack: What are they
[1783.95] Jack: kiss ultra or fade in that it's like
[1787.99] Jack: You know try my luck with the the G3 or whatever the fat tech guys are calling the
[1795.07] Jack: you know the
[1798.47] Jack: Yeah, G4 flight controller, so yeah, it's just I
[1803.31] Jack: Don't know. I don't know. I just kind of
[1807.31] Jack: Would I put it on the back burner?
[1809.79] Jack: for
[1811.11] Stephen: Yeah, I my personal take on this is that BL Heli 32 while it was a step up from BL Heli s
[1818.07] Stephen: Hasn't really gone anywhere and a lot of the features like the variable RPM and the by RPM stuff that
[1826.07] Stephen: Tried to avoid harmonics those seem to have actually come from a m32 and then be ported over to BL Heli 32
[1833.87] Stephen: So I kind of think that the BL Heli 32 project need to kick up the bottom needs a bit of competition in the marketplace
[1840.91] Stephen: You know people are still blowing ESCs
[1843.63] Stephen: Current limiting doesn't seem to be delivering and maybe just a bit of competition would
[1848.99] Stephen: help people by delivering an ESC that can actually do proper current limiting and
[1853.95] Stephen: Could be a bit safer and maybe you know bring on the power a bit smoother
[1857.79] Stephen: Just have a little bit of innovation in that space because when you've got one project and that project thinks it's essentially feature complete
[1864.67] Stephen: And it's done
[1865.87] Stephen: You're not gonna get innovation
[1868.87] Curry: Maybe they had a big white board and it said spin motors tick. We're done
[1873.75] Curry: It's essentially it isn't it? It's like spin motors, but there's like little subheadings like smoothly. Yeah, so
[1880.31] Jack: ESC doesn't explode as yeah, I used to write down. Yeah
[1886.11] Jack: It was worrying with was it
[1891.03] Jack: Daniel from
[1893.43] Jack: Play dementia
[1895.59] Jack: Daniel from
[1898.51] Jack: Well, what is his name? You know the really short intro
[1904.11] Jack: You know
[1905.47] Jack: Thanks for watching. Yeah, I think is it
[1910.55] Jack: test RC or something I see test flight I think just like that's it and
[1916.03] Jack: he was doing the current limiting with the the BL Heli ESCs with the
[1922.51] Jack: Snow cat and it just
[1929.11] Jack: Didn't really do much. Yeah, it didn't it was just like yeah, you know it it was just I
[1937.43] Stephen: Don't know what it was based. I told you to limit the current and it goes command received
[1943.23] Stephen: my dad
[1947.11] Stephen: What are you doing explodes
[1949.19] Stephen: Yeah, so there's a lot of people using a M32
[1954.99] Stephen: From kind of it appears to be two principal camps. You've got the races who fly hard
[1960.47] Stephen: Keep the hardware as light as possible and beat the snot out of it
[1964.31] Stephen: And you've also got guys who are doing crawlers where they need a very smooth motor startup
[1970.19] Stephen: They don't want to spend a lot of money on those sense of motors because they cost an arm and a leg
[1974.47] Stephen: so they want smooth sinusoidal startup and they want like
[1979.43] Stephen: The ability to control power to the ESC without burning it out
[1983.51] Stephen: So if they hit an obstacle to slowly increase the power so you can slowly shove the vehicle over it without suddenly
[1991.43] Stephen: spasming and leaping forwards
[1993.91] Stephen: So it's kind of the opposite of a quadcopter stall
[1996.75] Stephen: Where if you hit something you just want to yoink the power from that before you burn effect
[2001.19] Stephen: So that there's a there's a lot of feedback that goes into this all about power control
[2006.03] Stephen: It looks like it's on course to produce something that saves the ESC hardware from burning up
[2011.03] Curry: I think that's like something that would have been handy when I was doing my very cheap
[2016.03] Curry: Electronic skateboard build where my car ESC would go from zero to very fast
[2021.39] Curry: Mm-hmm, or just stop which is hard to keep hold of
[2025.43] Stephen: Yeah, I think I missed that project. I have to go back and watch that
[2030.27] Curry: Included trip to casualty
[2033.19] Jack: Oh, yes, fell off didn't you the wife wife panty forever
[2040.95] Curry: It was it was I still had reverse
[2043.87] Curry: Available on it and I think it went into reverse instead of break immediately. Oh my word
[2049.55] Stephen: Skateboard stop me. Keep going. Yeah. Yeah, I think something else they introduced is car mode, which means that you can
[2058.19] Stephen: Do this double pull one pull to break and then to pull to reverse
[2064.71] Curry: That's yes, it's another thing. There's this one was if you go into neutral
[2071.67] Curry: Then when you pull it again, it's reverse as I found out you have to go straight from
[2076.71] Curry: Accelerate to break if you let it go to neutral first and then you hit break it goes into reverse
[2081.83] Curry: Not last people want to reverse on a skateboard do they it was quite useful because I only didn't know how to skateboard
[2088.07] Curry: So every time I sort of came off, I just used to like come back to me. Brilliant. I'll get back on
[2093.15] Curry: That was great. I thought this is a good feature until it stopped and I fell off and
[2097.67] Curry: Then yeah, it wasn't so good much out
[2100.59] Koel: well, that does sound a bit scary if you don't have a smooth, you know stop or or transition because it'll just ejecto skateboard
[2109.07] Curry: You're like you'll just you know, but like I said, it was it was built on a budget
[2113.71] Curry: If you wanted one of those, I think they were called the de SC's which had a very smooth
[2119.11] Curry: Acceleration especially built for skateboards that cost more than the entire skateboard cost to build
[2130.55] Stephen: My word you get like an I flight stick ESC a single ESC that does 55 amps to
[2138.23] Stephen: Flash am 32 on to that and then you've got something that you know can drive a big stonking motor like that
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[2172.11] Frank: Let's drone out
[2173.87] Frank: Well, there's some feet
[2177.15] Curry: This is with no prior skateboarding experience. I'm a natural aren't I?
[2185.27] Curry: This this is this is like I don't know how to skateboard I'm gonna sit on it
[2189.47] Stephen: I noticed that you've got knee pads and elbow pads on which is great because you're right next to the asphalt
[2195.03] Curry: It's very safe. Yeah, obviously full safety equipment was yeah full safety equipment
[2200.27] Stephen: I don't see your helmet there in case you get a head injury. That's perfect. Yeah, it's wrist pads elbow pads deep and
[2207.39] Curry: Again, this is skateboard electric skateboard built on a cheap
[2210.79] Curry: The idea was to build it for about I think worked out about a hundred and twenty dollars or something like that all in
[2219.03] Jack: Money for the hospital bills
[2222.35] Curry: Thank goodness for the free NHS that's back when you can actually go there
[2228.31] Stephen: Head along now. Oh, it looks like you're doing okay. They're cruising along. Yeah
[2233.47] Curry: Full speed because it was too frightening. Yeah, that's the fall. Thanks, Jack
[2240.43] Curry: Horror he's down
[2245.87] Koel: Good thing you're wearing pants at least sorry trousers
[2251.35] Curry: I was wearing pants as well. But yeah trousers is the term. Yeah, so they should come with a warning
[2257.47] Curry: Don't worry. All those those are called freckles
[2264.75] Jack: Wonders why the knee up was they did
[2269.35] Curry: I've still got a weird lump on that knee and I said is this lump supposed to be here and they're like it's fine
[2275.55] Curry: Don't worry about it. Really? And then cuz at last last time I saw
[2281.03] Curry: Like a rheumatologist they looked at that knee and said why is that bit sticking out?
[2285.15] Curry: I said that was a skateboard injury and they're like didn't they fix it? I said no, they said they didn't need to fix it
[2289.51] Curry: She's like that's not right
[2292.19] Curry: As I don't worry about it. I'll just add it to another knee operation later on sure to be fine
[2298.11] Koel: Yeah, I'm taking a bit of a skateboarding hiatus because the last time I skateboarded about a month ago. I crashed really hard and
[2305.63] Koel: Wasn't fun
[2311.07] Curry: Yeah, it's not it's not safe
[2313.11] Curry: But if I built if I built like a scooter or an e-bike, that's what everyone's done. That's that's no fun at all
[2319.27] Jack: Yeah, you need to make the
[2323.83] Jack: Rideable you need to make a full size as big as the Tesla. Just take it onto a desk chair
[2331.79] Jack: Onto a wheelie a bit dangerous
[2334.87] Curry: My daughter has got this old
[2337.59] Curry: In a state you'd call them like big wheels where they've got the sort of big wheel at the front
[2341.99] Curry: But this is this is called the green machine where you've got you've got these you steer it like this and you can slide out
[2347.63] Curry: the the other two wheels so you can drift on it and I've got
[2351.59] Curry: do you remember when we went to that hobby King show Jack and
[2354.79] Curry: somebody bought the
[2356.55] Curry: that ladders
[2357.91] Curry: Thing. Yeah, and I've still got that motor that I haven't probably tested which might might work with it
[2363.83] Curry: I keep thinking about that as a project, but you know, that's a nice way motor you gotta do something with that
[2369.15] Curry: Well, I don't know if it works or not. It was it was in the this doesn't work pile
[2373.03] Curry: But who knows with hip copy King what works and what doesn't work?
[2378.3] Jack: Yeah, that's a right old union
[2381.06] Jack: It's a big I know we got we just it was
[2385.18] Jack: Really bizarre those hoey getting events towards the end. It was just like people just handing you stuff and it was just like
[2393.3] Jack: Okay
[2394.38] Jack: This is yours now
[2397.38] Curry: Let's see what we can do with it still with that. It's got
[2400.74] Curry: These things have sat there for ages. The other thing I've got is that ESC. Do you remember the ESC as well?
[2405.38] Curry: Which is just ridiculous?
[2407.3] Curry: This is the biggest you see you've ever seen imagine putting these on a quad
[2412.14] Curry: Okay
[2414.74] Curry: Holy
[2416.26] Curry: It's a massive
[2419.54] Curry: 200 all the capacitors on the back could kill you should certainly
[2422.66] Curry: At least what voltage is that? I don't know. It's got all of it
[2427.34] Curry: So we've already got two lots of of very thick battery cables plus this well mark thing
[2433.46] Curry: I think yeah, it goes up to lots
[2437.02] Curry: looks scary
[2440.5] Jack: I'm thinking about building a
[2445.78] Jack: Slug shocker to keep the slugs off my oh, yeah, we've got one of those
[2452.7] Jack: Yeah
[2455.22] Stephen: We used a 9-volt battery and that was enough to put them off
[2458.06] Stephen: They were actually fizzing when they crawled over it. We used a bunch of a copper tape around
[2464.02] Stephen: Got a flower pot cut the plastic flower pot cut the bottom off and then two
[2469.14] Stephen: Two rings of copper tape and then put the terminals onto those two rings of copper tape
[2476.02] Stephen: Actually taught L to solder doing this and she soldered the wires onto it
[2479.82] Stephen: And then there's like a 9-volt battery that goes on to that and um, yeah
[2482.9] Stephen: It was enough to make the slugs fizz when they bridged it so they didn't like that
[2486.98] Stephen: But it didn't batteries didn't last very long which was a problem
[2491.14] Koel: So are you very against slugs then is that?
[2495.06] Stephen: Well, if you're trying to grow peas or something in your garden and the slugs just shred the entire plant before it gets a foot tall
[2501.9] Jack: That's kind of annoying. Yeah
[2504.5] Jack: Yeah, they're really starting to piss me off, but I'm thinking about using 240 volts
[2510.42] Jack: I
[2511.94] Stephen: Think you might end up with some kind of RCD sort of I think you're your distribution board would probably go
[2519.06] Stephen: No, or consumer unit as we should call it in domestic premises. Thank you. It probably check
[2524.66] Jack: Or do that horrendous thing, which I will disclaimer
[2529.58] Jack: Hang on
[2531.1] Jack: Let me legal advice any views
[2534.94] Jack: Expressed by any guests in the show personal. I may not reflect the views of others
[2539.82] Jack: I mean the
[2543.58] Jack: Don't be on fire
[2545.98] Jack: Yeah, be careful around busy roads. Do not take our advice. Have you seen the guy who?
[2551.78] Jack: Gets the 9-volt batteries and staggers them to ridiculous voltage
[2556.74] Jack: And does the massive arcs? I'm tempted on doing that
[2561.46] Curry: hmm
[2562.7] Stephen: we tried glasses of beer and things before you ask because of the the obvious solutions and
[2568.06] Stephen: Little pellets that were supposedly dry the ground up because slugs don't like to crawl over dry things
[2573.9] Stephen: Nothing really worked hence going so far as to create our own slugged electrocution device
[2579.1] Stephen: Which which worked briefly, but obviously the batteries don't last forever. I'm not sure about Jack's idea of using main soltager
[2585.9] Stephen: Suggest maybe something a bit safer like some old lipo packs probably were
[2592.58] Stephen: They'd last longer
[2594.9] Koel: Here I'm let's draw now where you can learn to kill slugs
[2600.58] Curry: You'll have like piles of cats and dogs around and like horses and things as well
[2607.1] Stephen: So slugs are wet right not many creatures are wet
[2610.42] Stephen: So when they bridge they crawl up one and then they reach the next one then they start to get electrocuted
[2616.3] Stephen: And they just arc back and they move away
[2618.34] Stephen: They don't die, but if they try and crawl over both of them, then they experience a lot of discomfort
[2624.66] Curry: So is this 300 batteries in series?
[2628.1] Curry: Yeah
[2630.86] Jack: Do not have to follow this do not do it don't even think about doing it
[2636.98] Stephen: The most awkward way to make raisins from grapes or something. What's he trying to do here?
[2641.82] Stephen: He's got two nails in a grape and like 300 batteries and the nail flies out of the grape
[2647.22] Jack: I think I think he had to remove a lot of the spiciness of this
[2654.9] Jack: Cuz I remember it being way more
[2657.98] Jack: Way more scary
[2660.42] Stephen: Speaking of odd videos. Did anyone watch the video where they they slapped a chicken to cook it?
[2667.46] Curry: Yes, I've seen that come up in my list of two watches, but I haven't seen it quite interesting. This is interesting
[2674.9] Jack: Yeah, like proper plasma horribleness
[2679.26] Jack: But you know, I think it's on way doing it
[2682.9] Stephen: hmm
[2684.42] Stephen: Crazy so things you can do when you can't go out and fly
[2688.74] Stephen: I think we're going a bit weird
[2691.74] Jack: Wasn't cricket FPV anodizing titanium bolts
[2696.46] Jack: Doesn't that I know I seen like anodizing
[2700.78] Jack: Aluminium but not titanium. I
[2704.42] Stephen: thought
[2705.98] Stephen: anodizing only works on aluminium because you're basically creating a much
[2711.94] Stephen: Much greater surface area, right?
[2714.58] Stephen: so when you anodize aluminium
[2716.18] Stephen: You create this corroded layer on the outside and the corrosion has like more ridges in it
[2722.62] Stephen: And so the extra ridges increase the surface area and that allows it to like take in dye and paint much better than naked
[2730.74] Stephen: aluminium does
[2733.22] Jack: Mmm, I'm still very upset that you can't anodize things to be the color white
[2740.18] Jack: Particles down on
[2742.22] Jack: Yeah, I thought we would have figured something out by now, but I suppose that's what powder coatings for
[2748.5] Jack: Yeah, yeah powder coatings arguably more straightforward just get a spray can move on with your life
[2756.65] Jack: It was the different voltages that gave various colors. Yeah or time
[2763.01] Stephen: Either one right? I think that's how it works
[2766.05] Stephen: I'm not they're not the same type of anodizing that you do with aluminium where you actually do like a dye layer afterwards
[2771.53] Stephen: But you're actually using the voltage to change the color
[2774.41] Jack: Yeah
[2775.81] Jack: That's what it sounds like
[2778.77] Jack: Taylor's been talking about
[2782.53] Jack: Have you got anything else lined up curry anything else come in the door for review
[2788.93] Curry: No one video I'm just gonna finish off
[2791.89] Curry: maybe tomorrow is at the same time when I was flying with the commando and
[2797.89] Curry: That larger quad is I put the run cam thumb on
[2803.21] Curry: On a quad to test out. I've got it there. Hang on. I'll show it to you
[2808.17] Stephen: Oh, yeah, gyro flow is hot right now. I noticed there's a x light 2 that's come out
[2817.42] Curry: What's the noise about this week what I did. I like to test things as they come to me
[2822.4] Curry: Without watching other people's stuff about it. So I took one of the mounts
[2826.48] Curry: That came in the run cam pack. I put it on a very smooth flying 5-inch quad
[2833.4] Curry: And I took it out and I flew it around and I used the it came with like a little ND filter
[2839.12] Curry: I thought that's gonna help put that on and the footage from it is absolutely shockingly bad
[2845.24] Curry: basically, it's it's all shaky and
[2848.8] Curry: Horrific and so I put it through gyro flow and gyro flow doesn't fix shaky
[2854.48] Curry: wobbly jello vision
[2856.88] Curry: And so it's kind of the case that oh you have to soft mount them and don't use that mount because that man's rubbish
[2862.56] Curry: Which is like I?
[2864.56] Curry: So I wanted I was gonna do some more in it, but I thought you know what?
[2867.4] Curry: I don't know when I'm gonna get flying again. Let's um, let's put a video out because this is this is my first pass
[2872.6] Curry: It's like I bought this from run cam. I tested it just as it came and it's absolutely hopeless
[2879.36] Curry: So it might be the fact, you know, you can mount it better
[2883.76] Curry: Do you remember in the olden days?
[2885.2] Curry: We all used to use you'd get bit packing foam and you like all this
[2888.68] Curry: This is just the right density for popping on the quad and then putting your session on top of it and putting a strap around
[2894.72] Curry: Just to dampen down those wobbles. That was the way to do it. So it seems like you have to go back to the old days
[2900.8] Curry: the problem is with that I think is
[2904.28] Curry: Run cat well, this is my opinion at least run cam sort of proposition
[2908.12] Curry: This is like oh, it's a cheap camera and it generates gyro data. So it's like it's brilliant. I thought oh, this would be great because people
[2915.84] Curry: That are sort of starting out or they're not confident enough to put an expensive GoPro on that can use that
[2921.76] Curry: But in order to get it smooth enough, you're basically either investing a huge amount of effort in
[2929.64] Curry: Both dampening and tuning and then doing all this stuff and that sort of takes away the beginner aspect
[2935.68] Curry: It's like so if you've if you've done lots of flying before you're probably okay and you can do this anyway
[2939.96] Curry: But if you've done lots of flying before
[2941.96] Curry: Just you have a GoPro on it and it it'll just be smooth out the box. So it's kind of
[2947.12] Curry: Don't know at the moment, but I'll do some more with it
[2950.96] Curry: But yeah, that's that I'm revealing now you won't have to watch my video
[2954.44] Stephen: You've freed yourself and have a two things that run camera being a bit cheeky there because they did something that recorded gyro
[2960.56] Stephen: Jata, but by all standards that image quality is atrocious. I
[2966.6] Curry: Think the image quality is fine as long as you don't move
[2972.2] Curry: As if you the best footage I've had from it is when I'm just looking at it like that saying is the light on
[2977.92] Curry: After that point it's all it's a bit like I don't know if you started flying at this point Steve
[2983.16] Curry: But when you were using the a 8 cams or even the Mobius and stuff like that if you didn't have those
[2991.28] Curry: Really soft mounted you'd get this shake that you just couldn't take away and you couldn't smooth out by anything
[2998.2] Stephen: It's it's one of the old a lack of mass in the camera mount where it just needs more material to give it rigidity
[3005.24] Curry: What the I don't know if you want it rigid or you want it to dampen more
[3010.2] Curry: But you know most of the modern cameras have some sort of electronic image stabilization as well as as doing a like in the camera
[3018.92] Curry: Stabilization so that just doesn't have anything. It doesn't have any fancy electronics
[3023.0] Curry: I think it's just relying on the fact that saying look we can generate
[3026.96] Curry: Gyro data of it and you can put it into this program, but that program cannot take out these little tiny wobbles
[3033.6] Curry: I'm sure if you were doing this
[3036.64] Curry: Big movements, it would be great. But if when it's like that vibration is just constantly doing this it can't touch that
[3045.0] Stephen: That's why I was wondering if they're being a bit cheeky because they're kind of relying on the gyro feature
[3051.04] Stephen: Where they really should have a decent camera to start with and then add gyro on top of it instead of saying well
[3057.68] Stephen: The footage is a bit crap. But if you run gyro flow you can make it bearable. I
[3063.92] Curry: Think so. I mean you can get good footage out of it
[3066.16] Curry: I talked to after I tried it out and I did my sort of independent thing. I talked to Andy Andy RC about it and
[3073.16] Curry: He said he spent so long in gyro flow
[3077.0] Curry: Getting even more points that it would suggest and and doing all sorts of experimentations
[3082.44] Curry: But he had from the get-go a fairly smooth quad because he already went and did the soft mounting of it and stuff
[3090.44] Curry: Then the soft mounting is like ridiculously soft like you can sort of squish it about all over sort of thing
[3096.4] Curry: But what it's what it's not because what you want all cameras to be essentially is just you pop it on your quad
[3103.24] Curry: You plug the battery in and it's good to go and it's definitely not that
[3107.6] Curry: It's and you can't you got to work for your money. It's the problem
[3112.0] Stephen: You're getting a fit you're getting a 50-quid camera
[3114.32] Stephen: But you have to put in an extra 40 quids worth of your time to make it usable
[3119.76] Curry: Yeah, yeah, and like the the difference is I you know, I stuck my my older GoPro 7 on that
[3126.8] Curry: Tamira 7 and didn't do anything and that's like butter smooth
[3131.6] Curry: This thing is on a smooth quad
[3133.72] Curry: I look at my DVR footage and it's like perfect and I look at the
[3137.76] Curry: HD footage and it's like, you know, someone's got a hold of it. It's just gonna kill you all the way around which is not fun
[3144.96] Jack: Yeah, we need to get away from
[3147.32] Jack: Constantly giving good GoPro our money because it's clear that they know yes. I
[3152.88] Curry: Think the trouble is that GoPro have that patent on in-camera stabilization
[3157.4] Curry: So anybody else that does it GoPro is going to come off the big e is an OIS and not GoPro patents like that's
[3166.44] Stephen: That's available elsewhere
[3168.44] Koel: Well, I guess the super views are they painted hyper smooth
[3172.28] Curry: They're painting their particular method of doing in camera
[3176.56] Curry: Stabilization is is a patent which they will defend rigorously
[3181.92] Stephen: So
[3183.76] Stephen: Insta 360 does it after market and that's how they get around that and gyro flow does it after market and that's how it works
[3190.52] Curry: It's the in-camera part that they've gone
[3193.6] Stephen: I've also been reading this because I like to keep up to speed on the reviews and I saw that
[3199.36] Stephen: Firefly have released a couple of products and it looks like there's
[3204.36] Stephen: There's we're starting to see cameras that used to be split cameras now being marketed as gyro flow capable
[3210.4] Stephen: They've had the ability to record gyro data and evidently there's either an IMU that was already there and unused or they've had an IMU
[3219.6] Stephen: And it looks like they've produced some stuff that seems to work a bit better than the thumb
[3224.56] Stephen: There's a
[3225.88] Stephen: Firefly split that they've put in a 3d printed case and there's something they're calling an X light
[3232.0] Stephen: Which is kind of an action camera size thing. It's about the size of a naked GoPro
[3238.16] Stephen: That seems okay, but the run cam thumb was the first one that arrived on the scene
[3243.12] Stephen: Designed for gyro flow and it feels like is the worst
[3247.08] Stephen: unfortunately, I
[3248.92] Koel: Think so. I tried I mean
[3252.96] Curry: I was just gonna say Caroline was mentioned the Cadax peanut if you've looked at some of Caroline's
[3258.36] Curry: wing footage flying that
[3260.8] Curry: That it smooths it out to such a perfect extent. It looks like she's flying the perfect wing flight
[3266.48] Curry: Yeah, even though the in-camera stuff of the DVR was kind of you know, well, you know how wings are they both
[3272.72] Curry: Bobble them out in the wind but again, that's that's more money and it's I think that's the message you can get really good footage
[3280.0] Curry: You just can't get it on the cheap
[3283.28] Stephen: Into it is over 200 pounds and we're talking about the run cam being 50 quid the Hawkeye
[3289.64] Stephen: I was looking at so the split version there's a split camera in a little 3d printed box
[3296.48] Stephen: that's going for
[3298.76] Stephen: $72 so about 50 quid and
[3301.64] Stephen: The slightly fancier full-blown action camera version is a hundred and fifty dollars
[3307.52] Stephen: so a hundred and fifty dollars versus
[3310.64] Stephen: 215 pounds on the peanut it's it's not really a fair comparison one is very much a budget version of the other
[3317.0] Stephen: It's almost a almost twice the price to go for the Cadax peanut
[3321.56] Stephen: compared to these
[3322.96] Stephen: Even the most expensive version of them. I suppose yes is the footage twice as good
[3328.2] Stephen: Yeah, that's what you've got to ask right? Yeah, it's definitely more convenient to use the Cadax peanut
[3333.16] Stephen: You just press go and you don't have to worry. What is this?
[3336.16] Stephen: You've got to sync up your footage to the gyro data jump for a few hoops. Maybe you run that
[3341.12] Stephen: run the
[3342.56] Stephen: Stabilization process a couple of times to make sure the results are spot-on. I
[3346.68] Stephen: Guess it's just where do you want to spend the money? Would you want to?
[3350.04] Stephen: The ultimate thing is you you spend 300 quid or more on a GoPro and it's just perfect
[3355.76] Stephen: Or you spend a little less on a peanut and there's some compromises or you spend a bit less on
[3360.96] Stephen: A gyro flow cape or camera and you know, you have to put in a bit of graft yourself
[3366.36] Stephen: But you end up with some nice footage perhaps
[3369.84] Koel: Yeah, I've seen some really good results from like the Insta 360 go to and the peanut as far as just in camera stabilization
[3376.92] Koel: It's that in camera stabilization mixed with the super crazy wide view just you know, it's just so smooth
[3385.04] Stephen: They do top out at lower resolution. So I think the peanuts only a 1440p camera. Yeah. Yep
[3393.08] Koel: Surprisingly, they're good in low light though. I've seen some pretty good low light, you know examples from it
[3399.2] Koel: Which for such a small sensor in a small camera. It's pretty surprising
[3403.24] Stephen: Yeah, it feels like that whole wide dynamic range HDR thing is a kind of a discussion of five years ago
[3410.28] Stephen: Most of the cameras most of them do a decent job of it
[3413.56] Stephen: That was an area where the run cam thumb didn't impress me though seeing the filming in typical British conditions
[3420.12] Stephen: Which is crap lighting loads of cloud. It looked a bit sun just above your eye level if it's there, right?
[3427.8] Stephen: What's impressive?
[3430.0] Koel: Yeah, I mean I surprisingly
[3432.56] Koel: Sometimes I actually like the look or the the quality that comes out of the run cam 5 orange over the session 5
[3438.92] Koel: If the GoPro session alive, yes
[3442.08] Koel: The the session has a wider field of view and super view
[3445.4] Koel: But I don't know I feel like the run cam 5 orange handles exposure better than the GoPro for some reason
[3451.52] Koel: But it is quite a bit newer. So it probably has a better, you know image processor or something in it that
[3457.24] Koel: Can sort of copy, you know compute those things way faster
[3461.12] Stephen: So right that run come 5 orange also gyro flow capable
[3465.2] Stephen: But apparently it stutters like crazy if you try and record gyro data, so it's a
[3470.8] Stephen: problematic unfortunately, I
[3472.92] Koel: Mean, I I haven't really had any issues with stuttering like because it spits out the gyro data after every clip whatever on the SD card
[3480.68] Koel: but I don't know I it just it takes a lot of tinkering to get the
[3485.04] Koel: With what gyro flow takes a lot of tinkering basically, you know matter what right? So it's right. Yeah
[3491.84] Jack: Should we call it there? Is that all we've got time for I don't know
[3498.61] Curry: Everyone's homework is to go and fly
[3500.97] Jack: Yeah, I know
[3502.81] Jack: Yeah, well once I get code burn and put back together
[3507.93] Koel: Looks like a lot of people are saying they actually yeah, they kind of agree that they like the footage from the run cam 5
[3512.77] Koel: Orange over the session
[3515.81] Stephen: I almost bought that a couple of years ago. Just never quite pulled the trigger on it
[3519.93] Jack: Yeah, and what we worth doing
[3523.98] Jack: But who knows?
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