=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 359 ===
Title: LDO 359 - With Special Guest Matteo Betti Of FPV COMBAT
Recorded: 2022-07-14
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): Matteo Betti
Total audience: 2,054
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaXmKjupgw); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1306693012-letsdroneout-ldo-359-with-special-guest-matteo-betti-of-fpv-combat.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to what drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate
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[51.46] Stephen: Hello and welcome to let's drone out episode
[56.62] Stephen: 359 were special guests the FPV combat crew
[61.74] Stephen: You are joined by curry kitten everyone's favorite
[66.06] Stephen: Hello, is everyone's favorite curry kitten everyone's favorite curry kitten. Hello. That's the original the best
[74.74] Stephen: Really really specific about his title curry kitten. Yeah
[79.78] Stephen: our social media wizard Cole
[83.02] Stephen: hello, and
[85.66] Stephen: The guests of the show are outside broadcast and one of the inventors of FPV combat. I believe
[91.98] Stephen: Mateo welcome Mateo
[95.02] Matteo Betti: Hi
[96.14] Matteo Betti: Well, thank you. Thank you for letting me hear actually it's my pleasure
[101.74] Stephen: So as you can hear by that rip roaring behind you Mateo is actually in a field
[107.66] Stephen: And has been flying all day
[110.54] Matteo Betti: Uh, actually that was the purpose of the of the trip to here
[114.86] Matteo Betti: And I am in moda city, which is a beautiful place in chakra papi
[119.98] Matteo Betti: And we are gonna we are having our very first
[123.98] Matteo Betti: FPV combat camp meeting
[126.54] Matteo Betti: So people from all over the europe actually travel to this field here
[132.94] Matteo Betti: just to have fun trying
[135.58] Matteo Betti: to fight with the FPV combat system
[139.1] Stephen: Now I know you were on the show a few episodes ago, but could you give us a refresher on FPV combat?
[145.1] Matteo Betti: Yeah, sure
[146.14] Matteo Betti: Basically FPV combat is a platform that was born
[150.14] Matteo Betti: Uh about five years ago
[152.38] Matteo Betti: When I started the development and it is a platform that will allow you to have fights
[159.42] Matteo Betti: based on laser tech technology similar to laser tech technology, so it is based on infrared and
[167.18] Matteo Betti: Basically, it will add the possibility to have
[169.9] Matteo Betti: dogfight simulation on rc models and it can be used with
[175.26] Matteo Betti: basically any
[176.62] Matteo Betti: rc control model up until you will provide a standard pwm signal and
[183.98] Matteo Betti: Yep, that's basically it
[185.74] Matteo Betti: There is the osd integrated in the system that provides a few information
[191.42] Matteo Betti: to the to the pilots like emo lives
[194.22] Matteo Betti: And you can customize several different parameters to make the experience
[200.14] Matteo Betti: a little bit more
[202.54] Matteo Betti: immersive and
[203.98] Matteo Betti: Addicting because that's that's why the people are here flying as you can see in the background
[209.74] Curry: Yeah for the people that that are listing on audio podcasts
[212.86] Curry: We can see a wide array of planes whizzing past Mateo's head in the background
[216.86] Curry: Fortunately, you've got a net there just in case any of them come for you
[220.46] Curry: So I was wondering for an organized event like this
[223.18] Curry: How have you have you organized it how many people are going to be up in here at the same time?
[226.94] Curry: Are they fighting in teams or is there everyone against each other? How you formatted it?
[231.74] Matteo Betti: So actually it is a brand new
[235.0] Matteo Betti: category this one the fpv comments
[237.98] Matteo Betti: Because so we don't have any standard. We are trying to figure out while doing it
[243.34] Matteo Betti: What is the best way to manage it? So we came here
[247.26] Matteo Betti: Me and your and Stefano with some ideas
[250.78] Matteo Betti: We had a baseline that I are trying to that we are trying to follow with some challenges
[256.7] Matteo Betti: Some of them are based on the combat system itself. Some other are just
[262.06] Matteo Betti: piloting skills
[264.36] Matteo Betti: Performance and basically we have about
[268.3] Matteo Betti: 15 pilots today
[270.3] Matteo Betti: And we expect to arrive a couple of more
[273.66] Matteo Betti: uh from germany I think tomorrow and
[277.18] Matteo Betti: Yes, someone is traveling actually from africa. So that was
[281.58] Matteo Betti: an impressive travel
[283.66] Matteo Betti: yes
[284.7] Matteo Betti: so
[285.98] Matteo Betti: There are some people that really are joining this
[288.94] Matteo Betti: activity and
[290.62] Matteo Betti: We are really happy that this is kind of taking off. So we don't we split the people in hits for
[298.3] Matteo Betti: uh
[299.18] Matteo Betti: trying to get some
[301.02] Matteo Betti: trainings flying all together and of course we we encountered a lot of
[306.46] Matteo Betti: Difficulties because we have some digital pilots like dji users and other are for example
[314.46] Matteo Betti: On the analog so we yesterday we spent most of the time just figuring out which was the best combination
[321.42] Matteo Betti: In order to get the best experience for everybody
[324.46] Matteo Betti: Today was pretty windy. So we are basically starting to fly now that the sun is gone
[330.86] Matteo Betti: and
[332.38] Matteo Betti: That we will see how it will be because we can fly yesterday. We were flying till it was like
[338.06] Matteo Betti: Completely dark with only the moon in the sky
[341.82] Matteo Betti: And that was really unbelievable
[345.74] Matteo Betti: You can
[347.26] Matteo Betti: Yeah, so basically we will have also some dedicated challenges
[351.66] Matteo Betti: And we especially tomorrow there should be a fox hunt challenge
[356.3] Matteo Betti: so we will
[358.54] Matteo Betti: make a kind of championship based on the game which is integrated with the system and
[365.42] Matteo Betti: On saturday, we are planning to make a championship only with the combat and also team fights
[371.58] Matteo Betti: So we will build up some teams and we'll figure out
[376.22] Matteo Betti: Who will be the best shooter?
[379.26] Curry: Cool. So what what did you learn from yesterday having sort of you know, just sort of I guess put people up in the air
[385.58] Curry: Did you did you find out what would work best when you've got a large meet like this?
[389.42] Curry: And what what didn't work particularly which you thought might
[392.46] Matteo Betti: So basically the biggest problem, uh, we encountered yesterday was the analog and digital
[400.3] Matteo Betti: Mixing because even though digital is pretty clear and neat it is
[405.9] Matteo Betti: also interfering with the analog systems and
[409.5] Matteo Betti: especially on
[410.78] Matteo Betti: Starting we are using raceband five
[413.18] Matteo Betti: uh, sorry raceband as a standard for every all the pilots so
[417.18] Matteo Betti: A channel you should match basically all the system around even though they are digital or analog
[423.5] Matteo Betti: and
[424.54] Matteo Betti: Yes, we figure out that basically a digital user is better if they stay
[429.66] Matteo Betti: If we assign the channels starting from five up to seven eight
[434.86] Matteo Betti: That's where is the best?
[437.58] Matteo Betti: combination that we could find
[439.82] Matteo Betti: Because probably the fifth channel is where they have some telemetry feedback somehow in any case
[446.38] Matteo Betti: So it doesn't matter if they set up channel seven
[449.58] Matteo Betti: they will also be
[451.34] Matteo Betti: Transmitting a little bit and you will see that
[454.38] Matteo Betti: Really traditional horizontal lines. That's the I think that was that the public channel
[459.66] Stephen: I see the public one or the one where they request retransmission
[463.28] Matteo Betti: Hmm
[464.64] Stephen: Andrew
[465.76] Stephen: Frank used to be particularly good on that. So, um
[469.2] Stephen: The fbv combat kit, uh, some people just flashed up links to the hardware the micro and full size kit
[475.68] Stephen: Is that the same as when we spoke to you last time?
[479.52] Matteo Betti: Yes, yes, that's basically the same it has uh for some improvements since last uh
[486.08] Matteo Betti: Since the first time we we talked on here
[489.28] Matteo Betti: So there have been some firmware release updates
[493.04] Matteo Betti: when when I fixed some bugs minor bugs
[496.96] Matteo Betti: the system of course popped up during the
[500.72] Matteo Betti: usage of from
[502.4] Matteo Betti: Real life with all the people from all over the different environments will make different problems
[508.88] Matteo Betti: So, uh, yes, it's basically it is the same. It has been improved a little bit
[513.84] Matteo Betti: in its performances and
[516.56] Matteo Betti: Yes, that's the same base kit
[520.08] Matteo Betti: And we added also a few accessories actually from our last
[524.8] Matteo Betti: Meeting. Oh, yeah
[526.4] Matteo Betti: Yep
[528.0] Matteo Betti: There are some really cool
[530.48] Matteo Betti: accessories, especially the one that is I think most interesting is the
[535.12] Matteo Betti: special effect board
[536.88] Matteo Betti: which is basically a
[539.04] Matteo Betti: board that you can stack on the main controller
[542.56] Matteo Betti: And you can drive directly out of the system some pyrotechnical effects
[549.44] Matteo Betti: And this is something that I don't know if you recently see some flight test videos
[554.48] Matteo Betti: Where they were making some explosion on the planes. That was basically fbv combat with the fire board
[561.2] Matteo Betti: Yep, and we are planning to use that here as well
[564.8] Matteo Betti: but
[566.0] Matteo Betti: Maybe starting from tomorrow because we didn't have time to finish setting up everything
[572.72] Stephen: We've got a question from andrew asking about a 433 megahertz packet radio add-on
[578.96] Curry: I was just trying to remember this. Is this the one where it basically forms its own network?
[583.28] Curry: So you can talk independently and that's either radar or free. No, this is something a little bit
[590.16] Matteo Betti: simpler some under some aspect and
[593.12] Matteo Betti: A little bit more tricky to to manage under others. Uh, it is an completely open network
[600.08] Matteo Betti: Because I wanted the system to be as much plug and play as possible from any
[605.68] Matteo Betti: Part of the world. So basically you just plug these modules. They came with a standard configuration
[611.92] Matteo Betti: and
[613.6] Matteo Betti: They will they will not be the network. You will just
[617.6] Matteo Betti: broadcast each module its information at a very specific time
[622.0] Matteo Betti: so the system is optimized in order to limit the amount of information and just get the
[627.92] Matteo Betti: Needed one so you will not get a continuous live stream of data
[633.68] Matteo Betti: From any board you will just get some basic packet when you need when something happens like if somebody is shooting at somebody else and
[643.12] Matteo Betti: Victim gets hits then you will have some transmission. Oh, so this is for a scoreboard
[648.64] Stephen: Sorry, so is this for a scoreboard on the ground?
[652.24] Matteo Betti: Yes, and it is used also for a scoreboard on the ground. Actually, we have a
[657.12] Matteo Betti: user from sweden that he
[660.16] Matteo Betti: designed a commentator
[662.56] Matteo Betti: and it's a
[664.08] Matteo Betti: basically a connector
[666.24] Matteo Betti: One of those module to the computer and it has some really
[672.06] Matteo Betti: interesting jokes and comments about the
[676.48] Matteo Betti: The match that is happening in the air
[679.12] Matteo Betti: So like a player and nickname, I don't know
[682.32] Matteo Betti: Uh skypee hit
[684.32] Stephen: I don't know chaos and something like that like in quake when used to have player one eight player twos rocket
[690.8] Matteo Betti: Yes, yes, yes something like that. He and this is something that actually i'm really happy that user designed this because they
[699.44] Matteo Betti: they were so
[702.24] Matteo Betti: Happy with the system that they you spend some of their free time
[707.52] Matteo Betti: They invested into designing something for the system to improve the experience in this case
[712.32] Matteo Betti: Especially for dji user because at the moment there is no dji no osd integration for the digital system
[720.0] Curry: Uh-huh. That's a good point. And how many people are managing to fly in a heat?
[725.36] Curry: I suppose there's a question about if it's all analog or if it's a mix of dji, I guess that'll make a difference
[732.4] Matteo Betti: Actually, we were
[734.48] Matteo Betti: Five I think six in the air today and we were not
[738.94] Matteo Betti: experiencing so
[741.04] Matteo Betti: Many problems we had more troubles with the wind actually
[745.36] Matteo Betti: It was a really really strong wing today
[748.4] Curry: I think six is pushing about the max you generally get even on ism is uh,
[753.6] Curry: You won't generally try and go for eight. Would you it's just
[756.4] Curry: Too much hassle
[758.4] Matteo Betti: That sounds interesting. Yeah, it sounds like a good number actually
[762.0] Matteo Betti: It's a good balance point actually already with four players. It's a good balance point because you can
[768.64] Matteo Betti: Uh start having fun
[770.72] Matteo Betti: And you will always see someone in your field of view of the camera
[775.68] Matteo Betti: and we have
[777.12] Matteo Betti: I think most of the pilots are also using head tracker system
[781.28] Matteo Betti: And so the experience is even more immersive because you can really watch around
[787.68] Matteo Betti: Look for your friends and chase them
[790.08] Curry: I really feel you need some footage from the flight line
[792.24] Curry: I'm just imagining all these four people all sat there just all looking up and down and shouting at one another right?
[797.2] Matteo Betti: That'd be really fun. Yes
[798.88] Matteo Betti: Yes, there would there would be but unfortunately I I wanted to make be able to make some
[805.04] Matteo Betti: Uh better live stream with the live view from the pilots, but we unfortunately my friend that has the
[812.24] Matteo Betti: All the devices like ground station ddr and everything
[816.0] Matteo Betti: Uh is it he should have joined us from italy and he's sick now
[820.48] Matteo Betti: He just got sick the day before leaving and so we are
[823.84] Matteo Betti: Without the gear basically to to make
[827.12] Matteo Betti: To give a nice
[828.8] Matteo Betti: feedback now live
[831.84] Curry: That's a joke
[833.12] Curry: Hopefully someone was going around filming some stuff and you'll at least have some bits and pieces on youtube from different users and stuff
[839.28] Curry: We will have it really helpful to sort of show people its capability and things getting lots of people in the air
[846.32] Matteo Betti: Actually, we also prepare some
[849.1] Matteo Betti: accessories to make the experience even better and more immersive for example, we have
[855.76] Matteo Betti: three
[856.96] Matteo Betti: Hotels for stations. So basically we modified some joysticks and you can sit on the chair like you would be on the plane
[864.72] Matteo Betti: And you can control your model while watching around with the head tracker and shooting at the other players
[872.0] Matteo Betti: Excellent
[873.04] Matteo Betti: One of the best things that we tested but not in the during the fights yet because I don't know people got scared
[880.24] Matteo Betti: Maybe it's uh that on some of these joystick. We attached some conductive tape
[887.36] Matteo Betti: and
[890.96] Matteo Betti: Yes, that's exactly what happened and basically
[894.8] Matteo Betti: the
[895.6] Matteo Betti: the
[897.28] Matteo Betti: the real-time monitors
[899.68] Matteo Betti: There are some boxes around here that you can
[902.48] Matteo Betti: Basically configure your id so they will listen to your information from your plane
[908.16] Matteo Betti: Basically will shock you or make some other effects
[912.08] Matteo Betti: According to which model you get and you will get shocked. Basically
[916.24] Stephen: When you that's a design lifted straight out of a bond villains game, you know
[920.88] Stephen: Like there was a sean connery movie where the villain tried to electrocute sean connery while they played a video game
[929.04] Matteo Betti: Okay, I didn't saw that
[931.28] Stephen: Literally a bond villain at this point
[934.48] Matteo Betti: Yeah
[935.44] Matteo Betti: And it's fun to see how people get shocked because the reaction is is absolutely natural
[941.44] Matteo Betti: There is no fake
[945.2] Stephen: Yes, I imagine that's very true
[949.04] Stephen: I hope you've got waivers from everyone
[954.64] Matteo Betti: I we will post something for sure
[958.72] Stephen: Okay, um, so someone was wondering uh, how big the field is how much space you've got to spin around each other
[966.56] Matteo Betti: Okay, the field is an official flying field where have a corridor
[972.32] Matteo Betti: know how big it is actually but
[974.88] Matteo Betti: just to give you a
[976.96] Matteo Betti: A jet turbine model which is powered by 20 kilograms
[982.88] Matteo Betti: thrust
[983.84] Matteo Betti: A jet engine and it it was flying today here
[988.8] Matteo Betti: And there is plenty space for
[990.96] Matteo Betti: lots of space. Yeah
[992.48] Stephen: Okay. Yep
[994.16] Matteo Betti: You can look for for it. The name of the structure is model ct and it is in czech republic
[1001.44] Stephen: Yeah, it sounds like quite a major place
[1004.4] Matteo Betti: Yeah, actually we can there are bungalows. So we are all sleeping directly on the flying field
[1010.8] Matteo Betti: So we wake up in the morning with some jet turbines
[1014.66] Matteo Betti: Maybe that is idling on the on the landing strip or some I don't know
[1020.82] Matteo Betti: five cylinder
[1022.74] Matteo Betti: Airplanes like three meter wingspan that is warming up just ready to take off
[1028.5] Matteo Betti: And we are all here. That's a great feeling like big family joining a great experience all together
[1035.3] Curry: So if you have if there's sort of more traditional models there
[1038.1] Curry: Have you managed to convert anybody over to the idea of this? Have they have they been sort of quite excited by what you're showing them?
[1044.42] Curry: Oh, this is pure. Hello
[1047.38] Matteo Betti: I don't know if you remember him from hello guys
[1052.1] Matteo Betti: So he's
[1053.38] Matteo Betti: The main tester I would say that yeah, he spent like
[1058.1] Matteo Betti: and also media maker
[1060.74] Matteo Betti: he spent a lot of time in
[1064.1] Matteo Betti: Promoting the system I would say and improving giving feedback and getting people involved in it
[1071.22] Matteo Betti: So
[1073.86] Matteo Betti: Nice to meet you guys. Yeah good to meet you as well. Hello. Hello. I actually remember one of you
[1082.1] Stephen: That's from me that was the only one here at the time
[1086.82] Stephen: So, uh, what have you been testing lately what what other bits and pieces
[1093.22] Matteo Betti: So what did we test basically
[1095.94] Matteo Betti: Not much because unfortunately it has been incredibly windy
[1101.54] Matteo Betti: for the last
[1103.3] Matteo Betti: two days
[1104.5] Matteo Betti: so we can barely fly
[1107.28] Matteo Betti: Occasionally and we spent most of the time in fixing the models after crashing them
[1113.86] Matteo Betti: so
[1114.98] Matteo Betti: That was how we spent most of the time but uh, and the rest was mainly
[1120.82] Matteo Betti: Testing out some static target
[1123.54] Matteo Betti: For example, we have a plane we will not be able to see it now but
[1128.66] Matteo Betti: Imagine like a small biplane on which is fixed on the top of a fishing rod. That's about
[1136.82] Matteo Betti: Okay
[1139.54] Matteo Betti: Uh on the top of the fishing rod at about I don't know six seven meters from the ground
[1145.62] Stephen: So people should also gun turrets on the ground. Do I remember you talking about that last time?
[1151.3] Matteo Betti: No, we don't have gun turrets
[1153.94] Matteo Betti: That was an idea. But actually what we have now is a gun that you can
[1159.62] Matteo Betti: Hold in your hand and shoot at the plane
[1162.26] Matteo Betti: So and from the ground so basically you just give the the the gun to any
[1168.56] Matteo Betti: participant or
[1170.42] Matteo Betti: Any person that is there like there were some kids here yesterday
[1174.66] Matteo Betti: and they were shooting from the ground to the flying planes when while battling
[1179.06] Matteo Betti: and the good thing is when
[1182.18] Matteo Betti: You see the plane that have been hit by someone and the pyro goes off
[1187.62] Matteo Betti: yes, maybe or the pyro but mainly the
[1191.62] Matteo Betti: Since the system can interact with the control of the model
[1195.62] Matteo Betti: For example, it will force the rudder to to shake
[1198.74] Matteo Betti: And so you will see the model that it has been hit by something
[1203.7] Matteo Betti: Like and even though it was just a light beam
[1207.62] Matteo Betti: but the feeling the impression is that
[1210.02] Matteo Betti: You will hit something and somebody hit you
[1213.54] Matteo Betti: so that was
[1215.22] Matteo Betti: mainly we are just
[1216.98] Matteo Betti: Having fun till today because the first today we decided to make mainly testing
[1222.9] Matteo Betti: And today we were making uh training for the bomb truck challenge
[1228.26] Curry: So we as well
[1230.02] Curry: Yep, tell me more
[1231.86] Matteo Betti: This is a very simple challenge that we this we thought would could be fun and basically there is a
[1240.34] Matteo Betti: a mechanism with a
[1242.34] Matteo Betti: Holder and the servo attached with some simple velcro on the bottom of the planes
[1247.78] Matteo Betti: So you can move this device to each player that wants to to join it
[1252.82] Matteo Betti: and you
[1254.26] Matteo Betti: We attach it on the bottom of it. Uh some
[1257.54] Matteo Betti: Spongy
[1259.06] Matteo Betti: Bomb looking I don't know if you know like the if you
[1263.14] Matteo Betti: If you ever heard about the nerf
[1266.02] Matteo Betti: vortex
[1267.7] Matteo Betti: Yes, something like that
[1269.62] Stephen: Very like a nerf kind of throwing
[1272.18] Matteo Betti: Dark. Yes, of all things. Yes, exactly something like that. So basically it has also some whistles
[1278.26] Matteo Betti: So you can hear the bones
[1281.22] Matteo Betti: while they're flying
[1284.1] Matteo Betti: And then they hit the ground or the target and so today we were
[1290.98] Matteo Betti: Training pilots to to get the target
[1294.58] Stephen: Do you have a camera and you have like a view out to the bottom of the plane and you have to nope
[1299.54] Matteo Betti: That's how I don't know
[1302.18] Matteo Betti: Fighters in world war two should have okay
[1306.34] Matteo Betti: So you just have to figure out how to do that
[1308.9] Matteo Betti: There are some people for example that
[1311.06] Matteo Betti: Simply go very high and then dive straight into the target releasing the bomb
[1316.26] Matteo Betti: And then they pull back on the the elevator and others simply
[1321.78] Matteo Betti: Uh use the wind the strong wing to fly incredibly slow
[1326.82] Matteo Betti: so they basically approach at
[1329.46] Stephen: Almost zero speed of course much easier for the infantry to shoot them then
[1333.86] Matteo Betti: Yep, and you just release the the bomb and you see where it goes
[1338.9] Curry: And then I feel you need to you need to get the kids with the guns
[1342.82] Curry: At the target and it's like, okay
[1344.34] Curry: If you shoot the planes first you win if the plane hits your target you lose. It's like combining the both
[1349.46] Matteo Betti: Yeah, but we couldn't shock the the kids. So
[1353.22] Matteo Betti: It wasn't fair
[1355.86] Curry: They're quite resilient it's fine to shock them. It's okay. Yeah, maybe
[1360.1] Matteo Betti: I don't know
[1362.74] Stephen: You should know right that's got to be experience. Yeah, exactly that will make you a man
[1373.38] Stephen: Right, um
[1374.58] Stephen: So there's a question about the size of the planes in that picture that you showed us there was
[1378.98] Stephen: A wide variety of different sizes and you talked about jet turbines
[1383.14] Stephen: So how do you fight when you've got maybe a very small plane and a very large plane? How does that work?
[1388.98] Stephen: Do you have weight classes?
[1391.22] Matteo Betti: So way, uh, no basically jet pilots are not using fpv combat because mainly they are not flying fpv with such big and
[1400.58] Matteo Betti: expensive models
[1402.1] Matteo Betti: and so this is uh
[1403.94] Matteo Betti: Just another flyer that is joining the same structure at the same moment and we we don't fly together, of course
[1412.34] Matteo Betti: when we collected the
[1415.14] Matteo Betti: The tickets to to join the event basically, uh, I submitted a
[1420.26] Matteo Betti: Check-in form where I was asking
[1422.58] Matteo Betti: What what was the size of the plane that they were planning to bring to the field?
[1427.7] Matteo Betti: so we basically have three categories which are below the
[1433.52] Matteo Betti: 750 grams
[1435.14] Matteo Betti: and
[1436.18] Matteo Betti: in the middle between the 750 and one kilogram and a half
[1440.34] Matteo Betti: and then over one kilo 1.5 kilograms and basically
[1445.7] Matteo Betti: With within this weight
[1447.78] Matteo Betti: All the planes are flying are almost flying the same way
[1452.58] Matteo Betti: So there are some models that are a little bit faster other are a little bit slower more agile
[1457.78] Matteo Betti: But that is in generally speaking. They have more or less the same amount of power
[1462.5] Matteo Betti: the same
[1463.78] Matteo Betti: flight time
[1465.54] Matteo Betti: Available from the same battery. So we are pretty aligned and also uh
[1471.62] Matteo Betti: What we realized after using the system since a while
[1475.62] Matteo Betti: Is that people of course don't want to install it on incredibly expensive models
[1481.22] Matteo Betti: so it has to be robust really easy to fix in case of crashes because
[1486.58] Matteo Betti: You will crash. There is no chance you will not crash with this
[1490.42] Matteo Betti: and it's not just because of
[1492.5] Matteo Betti: the combat it's just
[1494.18] Matteo Betti: because
[1495.62] Matteo Betti: There will be some mid-air collision. Everybody will try to follow to chase someone
[1500.66] Matteo Betti: literally
[1502.02] Matteo Betti: Half an hour ago. They were fighting five pilots in the air
[1505.86] Matteo Betti: A few digital other analog and I could literally see the propeller of one plane
[1512.18] Matteo Betti: In the middle between the wing and the tail of another one and it was and we got it on dvr
[1518.66] Matteo Betti: I couldn't check it yet, but he was recording so
[1522.9] Matteo Betti: That's that was unbelievably close
[1525.46] Matteo Betti: Actually, the same plane was hit by another one and it got almost cut in half the the wing yesterday
[1532.82] Matteo Betti: Yes, so when you it doesn't matter how how much space you have here because we have literally we can fly for I think
[1540.42] Matteo Betti: Like in a circle of five kilometers far from each direction, but you're dog fighting. So everyone is in the same 100 meter space
[1547.86] Matteo Betti: basically, yes, that's
[1549.86] Matteo Betti: of course digital users and heavier planes try tend to fly a little bit farther and
[1556.1] Matteo Betti: Of course because for example the comet from the german guys
[1559.94] Matteo Betti: they
[1560.82] Matteo Betti: are models that with
[1563.06] Matteo Betti: Ready to fly with the battery are over
[1566.18] Matteo Betti: I think almost three kilograms
[1568.74] Matteo Betti: and
[1569.7] Matteo Betti: Most of the other planes are just around one kilogram
[1574.18] Matteo Betti: And they of course fly
[1576.66] Matteo Betti: In a really different ways
[1578.66] Matteo Betti: For example, the comet minimum speed is about 50 kilometers per hour
[1583.94] Matteo Betti: And with other we can fly I don't know think
[1587.22] Matteo Betti: 20 is already in the air
[1589.3] Matteo Betti: so
[1590.66] Matteo Betti: They need more space and they fly with the bigger plane
[1593.94] Matteo Betti: So have for example a focal wolf, which is not that that's heaviest there, but it has some similar
[1600.72] Matteo Betti: characteristics since it is actually
[1603.52] Matteo Betti: 1.6 1.7 kilograms in the air
[1606.26] Matteo Betti: So they have they are faster and they can pretty good have the same
[1612.24] Matteo Betti: capabilities during fights
[1614.5] Curry: What about so many?
[1616.34] Curry: Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I think it's coming on the same question as you steven. We've we've got a couple of questions about the types
[1622.34] Curry: Of aircraft use firstly. Is it all fixed wing? Are there any?
[1625.94] Curry: ground vehicles or rotor vehicles, uh helis or quads and
[1631.94] Curry: A follow-up question to that was is it is it?
[1635.14] Curry: What style is the plane is it your traditional tail and rudder or is there
[1640.1] Curry: Flying wings or is it a real mix of stuff?
[1642.66] Matteo Betti: Okay
[1643.46] Matteo Betti: Uh, we I will start from the first one. We don't have we have some helicopter here
[1649.46] Matteo Betti: But they are mainly acro heli and they don't fly
[1653.2] Matteo Betti: FPV with the drones there is no one that's actually is flying with the combat on it
[1659.7] Matteo Betti: and
[1660.66] Matteo Betti: basically because this group is mostly made of people that flies fixed wings, so
[1669.46] Matteo Betti: In the future, I hope that it will expand a little bit more to the drone community
[1674.66] Matteo Betti: but of course you have to think about the rules in a little bit different ways because
[1681.86] Matteo Betti: with the
[1683.3] Matteo Betti: With the drones you are able to aim and stop
[1686.58] Matteo Betti: very easily
[1688.1] Matteo Betti: Compared to the plane so the plane will have to fly in one direction
[1692.98] Matteo Betti: With the with the drones. The risk is that they will start just spinning around each other
[1698.26] Stephen: Drone should have a handicap or all drones
[1701.62] Stephen: But i'm really lucky is 3d drone pilots. That's that would be spectacular to see them dog fighting with
[1708.16] Stephen: 3d, you know, like
[1710.08] Curry: Reversible motors. Yes, all quads can only use free motors. How's that for a handicap?
[1714.52] Curry: Okay
[1717.88] Matteo Betti: So yeah, basically we are all fixed wings pilot and
[1723.88] Matteo Betti: They are mainly traditional wing planes and the reason is
[1729.32] Matteo Betti: very simple because
[1731.0] Matteo Betti: With fixed wing the traditional plane has a profile that is more visible in the air
[1737.64] Matteo Betti: when you fly with the
[1740.12] Matteo Betti: Just flying wings
[1741.8] Matteo Betti: The problems is when you are at the same height
[1745.0] Matteo Betti: They basically align and if you're flying a profile, isn't it? Yes, it will be just almost invisible
[1751.96] Matteo Betti: So we prefer to use like bigger planes. We are all about one meter point something
[1758.92] Matteo Betti: a wingspan like 1.1 1.2
[1762.82] Matteo Betti: 900 millimeters something like that and
[1765.88] Matteo Betti: Um
[1767.56] Matteo Betti: Yes, they are all planes because you can
[1770.76] Matteo Betti: See them
[1771.96] Matteo Betti: Very well in the air compared to the fixed wing. We have some fixed wing
[1775.8] Matteo Betti: But generally when they take off they will just start killing all the others
[1780.04] Matteo Betti: so it will not really be
[1782.44] Matteo Betti: Fun for the other because it would be just trying to avoid a little mosquito that is following everybody
[1789.96] Curry: I think that's going to look look better on on the head tracking stuff
[1793.8] Curry: When when you've got a head track and you look over and you've got the wing there and you've got other aircraft
[1798.28] Curry: I think that always looks a lot cooler than just a simple i'm flying a triangle. That's always nicer
[1804.52] Matteo Betti: Yes, the feeling is way more immersive actually also for maneuvers. You can really look for the other
[1811.64] Matteo Betti: opponents in the air you and
[1813.96] Matteo Betti: Something that we are going to try to make is also some formation flights
[1820.44] Matteo Betti: I think a big comet just took off
[1823.24] Matteo Betti: And yeah
[1824.68] Matteo Betti: One of the heavy one. I don't know if you can see but here is basically night now
[1830.2] Matteo Betti: Uh, I think you will see maybe some lights in my yeah, I just saw a streak of light go past a minute or so ago
[1836.28] Matteo Betti: It just looks like it should be
[1838.36] Matteo Betti: Now you see just behind me here here there it goes
[1842.28] Matteo Betti: Yeah
[1843.64] Curry: And it's pretty cool
[1845.16] Matteo Betti: We have no idea how he's capable of flying because
[1848.92] Matteo Betti: He really can't see really a lot now one of those special cameras
[1853.8] Matteo Betti: yes, but
[1855.08] Matteo Betti: Yesterday, we checked that even though it was a it is a digital you should see it again. Yes
[1861.08] Matteo Betti: And uh, so it's a digital
[1863.72] Matteo Betti: flyer
[1864.68] Matteo Betti: It was
[1865.8] Matteo Betti: yes
[1866.92] Matteo Betti: But of course it was really dark. We had some lights on the landing strip
[1872.76] Matteo Betti: You can see maybe some blinks in the corner here. Yes. Yes. No, you see the red. You see one strobe down there
[1878.36] Stephen: Yeah blinking so or two red. Yeah. Yeah
[1881.32] Matteo Betti: Yes, you can
[1882.76] Matteo Betti: See also the plane there. Yeah
[1885.0] Stephen: Excellent. Uh, it's so cool that this is an outside broadcaster our audio viewers
[1889.32] Stephen: We're we're looking at the flying fields with some netting behind Mateo here
[1893.24] Stephen: And uh, the runway lights flashing and some brave soul up there just zooming back and forth behind him
[1902.52] Curry: Is the dji camera not very good at night though, I haven't I haven't experienced it
[1907.0] Curry: There's a range of them, but they're not great
[1910.76] Matteo Betti: Yes, you can see something but for compare for example yesterday was using a rank and old
[1917.32] Matteo Betti: I could really see way better than dji user
[1921.4] Matteo Betti: My problem was the resolution
[1924.36] Matteo Betti: and
[1925.24] Matteo Betti: Since there is just grass around here. It's really hard to
[1930.12] Matteo Betti: uh
[1931.48] Matteo Betti: Get a better a good idea about the hate
[1934.36] Matteo Betti: And we I was flying. Oh, there is two of them in the air
[1938.76] Matteo Betti: They are two in the air now, so they are fighting I think
[1942.52] Matteo Betti: The good thing in the nighttime is that the range gets incredibly high compared to the daytime
[1948.36] Matteo Betti: Because of course there is no not the irradiation from the sun light
[1953.24] Matteo Betti: So you can shoot each other from
[1956.12] Matteo Betti: About I don't know 60 70 meters far
[1960.2] Matteo Betti: So from here, I could actually hit the planes with no problem with the gun
[1964.52] Matteo Betti: cool
[1965.56] Matteo Betti: Excellent. Yep. That's interesting
[1967.96] Koel: Because of the sun it actually it reduces the the range abilities for the shooting I guess
[1973.8] Matteo Betti: Yes, the sun is irradiating a lot of
[1976.2] Matteo Betti: uh
[1977.48] Matteo Betti: lights in the
[1979.16] Matteo Betti: really wide spectrum of the electromagnetic
[1983.0] Matteo Betti: spectrum, so
[1985.48] Matteo Betti: The infrared is the problem because it is based on infrared
[1989.24] Matteo Betti: And of course the noise the the baseline noise that you have from the sun is
[1995.7] Matteo Betti: Reducing the range just because it's harder to filter the infrared and it be
[2001.24] Matteo Betti: Gonna make them we can we have a pretty reasonable
[2004.68] Matteo Betti: Range and that was one of the most tricky part of the project since the beginning because
[2011.8] Matteo Betti: When I started designing the system
[2015.0] Matteo Betti: My question was why it doesn't exist yet. So
[2019.4] Matteo Betti: Five six years ago when I started it was like I can't believe nobody talked about this because
[2025.0] Matteo Betti: I'm not a genius. I just don't believe that nobody talked about that
[2029.88] Matteo Betti: And then I figured out that the problem was to make it works in the real life
[2036.28] Matteo Betti: So that was the tricky part of all the project because also other system around
[2042.52] Matteo Betti: Exists they have decent performance
[2046.84] Matteo Betti: but they lack on when they have to
[2049.88] Matteo Betti: be reliable on shooting from far and
[2053.96] Matteo Betti: The shooting distance could be still improved here
[2057.4] Matteo Betti: Because we are not using any optical
[2061.06] Matteo Betti: Collimating system any lens in front of the beam. So basically it is just the
[2066.52] Matteo Betti: Gun the oh getting close
[2069.48] Matteo Betti: Yeah, oh, yeah
[2072.28] Matteo Betti: They like to chase each other of course
[2075.72] Koel: So by putting the lens you'll be able to you know, narrow that beam and aim it a little better, right? So yes
[2082.12] Matteo Betti: Yes, actually
[2083.8] Matteo Betti: Right now the beam is really narrow. We are talking about an opening of
[2088.76] Matteo Betti: about I think
[2090.36] Matteo Betti: 12 degrees
[2092.36] Matteo Betti: The the maximum opening so it's really narrow and that's why you can get a very good
[2098.92] Matteo Betti: Range in daylight and also there are some other details that I will not enter into but actually yes
[2105.4] Matteo Betti: It is already pretty narrow. But even though it is a 12 degrees opening
[2111.96] Matteo Betti: At 10 meter, it will be a big circle. So you can imagine that all that light
[2117.56] Matteo Betti: Uh is not focused in one smaller point
[2121.56] Matteo Betti: And you will you're basically losing some of the shooting power just because of that
[2127.24] Matteo Betti: Very kind of yeah
[2128.6] Matteo Betti: Yeah, and of course it is most
[2131.4] Matteo Betti: The concentration the distribution of the power light is mostly in the center. So you have the feeling that is
[2139.64] Matteo Betti: If you align the gun with the
[2142.44] Matteo Betti: Sight in the osd
[2145.32] Matteo Betti: Basically, you can you need to aim to get the shot at the very far distance even if it is not
[2152.66] Matteo Betti: Optically collimated the beam. Yeah
[2156.92] Stephen: You're more or less guaranteed to hit
[2159.64] Matteo Betti: Not really because it's really narrow. So if the closer you get the smaller is the circle
[2165.32] Matteo Betti: So you will need to aim in any case because it will be
[2170.28] Matteo Betti: Yes, you need to you need to aim it will not be like
[2174.36] Matteo Betti: Maybe now when it's completely dark
[2177.72] Matteo Betti: You will get some
[2179.4] Matteo Betti: easy shots when you're flying
[2182.12] Matteo Betti: Really close to each other or I don't know within the range of five ten meters not more
[2188.04] Matteo Betti: But once you get a little bit farther in daytime, there is no problem. You you have to aim
[2194.44] Matteo Betti: Because you will not be able to shoot and hit the other opponents
[2198.28] Matteo Betti: and
[2199.4] Matteo Betti: in nighttime, of course the distance will be higher because it would be harder to
[2204.44] Matteo Betti: Understand where exactly it is the the other layer
[2209.0] Matteo Betti: so in any case
[2211.56] Matteo Betti: Nobody could complain about the the aiming or the distance
[2216.28] Matteo Betti: and of course improvement can be done, but you have to consider also that if you
[2221.86] Matteo Betti: Optically collimate the beam you will get
[2225.48] Matteo Betti: Of course a narrower beam and you will need to be more precise in aiming
[2230.36] Matteo Betti: And even you will have of course longer shooting range, but on the other side
[2235.96] Matteo Betti: You have to be more precise
[2238.52] Matteo Betti: And what happens is basically you want to find the sweet balance point between
[2244.04] Matteo Betti: the range and the opening of the
[2247.08] Matteo Betti: of the beam
[2248.28] Matteo Betti: because
[2249.72] Matteo Betti: You are not really interested in getting crazy range because the range will
[2255.48] Matteo Betti: In any case if you're flying analog you will not see your opponent when they are over
[2260.92] Matteo Betti: I don't know 30 meters
[2262.92] Matteo Betti: Unless they are flying some very big models
[2266.6] Koel: And I guess the further away that it is
[2269.24] Koel: That that beam is gonna kind of you know balloon open and then you're gonna have to be even more accurate. I guess right? Yes
[2275.0] Matteo Betti: That's correct
[2277.0] Matteo Betti: That's correct
[2279.0] Stephen: We had one question
[2280.44] Stephen: Asking if this was a laser diode, I think it's just an infrared led from the product page
[2286.2] Matteo Betti: What are you using? Yes, it's a infrared led. It's not a laser product
[2291.0] Matteo Betti: It's a infrared led with a very narrow beam and that can be driven at pretty high rates
[2299.64] Koel: So I had a question for you actually if
[2301.8] Koel: Say you were to you know, put some type of optical or like some kind of glass or lens in front of it
[2306.68] Koel: uh, do you have to worry about like lens refractions and and it affecting the way that the beam gets put out or
[2314.12] Koel: Have you messed around with that at all or?
[2316.92] Matteo Betti: Uh, we never did any kind of testing about that
[2321.0] Matteo Betti: uh about the refraction of the light we didn't experience any
[2324.92] Matteo Betti: any big problems because
[2327.0] Matteo Betti: We didn't use on the plane, but uh back in the days when I was
[2330.2] Matteo Betti: uh
[2331.48] Matteo Betti: Making some platform for a model drone, which is a company in italy
[2336.84] Matteo Betti: We that hosted a few events in in italy and some fairs
[2341.32] Matteo Betti: And so we bring we bring the combat as entertainment system for for the audience actually
[2347.88] Matteo Betti: So there were some full sail cockpits and drones and people could shoot at the drones
[2353.88] Matteo Betti: At the fair and we built some
[2356.92] Matteo Betti: bazooka looking
[2359.0] Matteo Betti: Canons and yes, exactly. They were like big pipelines like
[2364.74] Matteo Betti: 90
[2366.2] Matteo Betti: 100 millimeter the in diameter they were having they we installed some audio system
[2372.66] Matteo Betti: amplifier some vibration system to get the feedback when you shoot and the
[2378.2] Matteo Betti: They had the emos. So and for in for that purpose as we installed also an optical
[2385.0] Matteo Betti: uh
[2386.6] Matteo Betti: uh collimating system
[2388.2] Matteo Betti: So we got a really good lens
[2391.64] Matteo Betti: about 90 millimeters in diameter and we focused actually the beam
[2397.0] Matteo Betti: At very far distance. So we had the just like
[2401.64] Matteo Betti: 10 centimeters circle shooting tiny. Yeah. Yes
[2406.04] Matteo Betti: yeah, it was like about a circle like that and
[2410.2] Matteo Betti: That was all straight like a laser of 10 centimeter
[2415.56] Matteo Betti: In diameter so you can shoot incredibly far with that one
[2420.28] Matteo Betti: but of course, it's not something that
[2423.4] Matteo Betti: We are gonna use here because you can imagine it was like pretty big
[2429.24] Matteo Betti: Yeah and heavy and and yeah, yeah, not something you will install on on a model
[2435.32] Matteo Betti: I made some experiments with the some
[2439.0] Matteo Betti: Focusing lens design for lasers
[2442.28] Matteo Betti: And like very small I could get some good results
[2447.0] Matteo Betti: but actually
[2448.84] Matteo Betti: We never really had the need to
[2451.8] Matteo Betti: improve the optical
[2453.8] Matteo Betti: distance
[2454.92] Matteo Betti: The so the the shooting distance by optically improved the system
[2459.72] Frank: Yeah
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[2484.12] Frank: Let's drone out
[2486.04] Matteo Betti: this is also a great opportunity to collect the feedback from users because
[2491.08] Matteo Betti: we have we have some really active pilots here and
[2495.8] Matteo Betti: So that's really good to get the feedback from them about their
[2500.36] Stephen: Real life usage and problem sounds like you've removed pretty much all the bugs from the system now
[2506.44] Stephen: Then is it in a final state or do you think you'll do anything else?
[2511.32] Matteo Betti: No, there is still margin to improve it. Um
[2515.24] Matteo Betti: About the the basic functionality is it's pretty good. It's uh, it's working. It's a reliable
[2521.72] Matteo Betti: people don't
[2523.32] Matteo Betti: don't experience some
[2525.32] Matteo Betti: many big problems and
[2528.44] Matteo Betti: I think there is margin to improve for example the customization of the system
[2533.96] Matteo Betti: for example the osd
[2536.28] Matteo Betti: elements
[2537.4] Matteo Betti: in the future might be
[2539.0] Matteo Betti: Possible to to move them in the in the osd like you would do on a traditional osd
[2546.52] Stephen: Like in some sort of firmware programmer that you could uh,
[2550.36] Stephen: Connect to the computer or something
[2552.52] Matteo Betti: maybe
[2553.56] Matteo Betti: the okay when
[2556.04] Matteo Betti: everything started
[2557.72] Matteo Betti: uh a few years ago and
[2560.04] Matteo Betti: The audience was a little bit different
[2562.84] Matteo Betti: and now we have a better understanding about who are the users that is that are
[2569.8] Matteo Betti: actually using the system and
[2572.52] Matteo Betti: so
[2573.72] Matteo Betti: GUI on the on a workstation is not scaring anybody
[2578.36] Matteo Betti: Now here and as it used to for example back in the days
[2583.4] Matteo Betti: and
[2584.28] Matteo Betti: In any case, I want the system to be very simple like plug the power
[2589.56] Matteo Betti: connect the trigger and
[2591.64] Matteo Betti: shoot each other and have fun without any configuration, so
[2597.0] Matteo Betti: You have to find that this with balance point between uh, customization possibility and
[2603.56] Matteo Betti: a simple configuration of the system and working out of the box because not everybody are
[2611.88] Matteo Betti: Getting all the features
[2614.04] Matteo Betti: So for example here, we are gonna play some also battles with the full telemetry modules
[2621.24] Matteo Betti: So we will be able to have also some
[2624.66] Matteo Betti: strategical
[2627.22] Matteo Betti: Approach different approaches from other pilots because you can configure for example the shooting power of your system
[2635.38] Matteo Betti: The shooting rate the defense level and according to this parameter
[2639.94] Matteo Betti: You will be able to make more damage to other opponents or
[2644.74] Matteo Betti: You can defend yourself a little bit more or it will be easier or harder to hit the other
[2651.14] Stephen: experienced pilot so they can play with some new pilots and it'll be balanced
[2656.9] Matteo Betti: I've no I don't think so
[2659.38] Matteo Betti: honestly
[2661.22] Matteo Betti: You will you can immediately see who is the experienced pilot and who is not
[2667.46] Matteo Betti: and I I am not one of the experienced pilot because
[2671.78] Matteo Betti: I am most of the time improving the system and making testing instead of using it
[2678.18] Matteo Betti: and uh, so I mainly
[2680.82] Matteo Betti: Get the feedback from from other pilots
[2683.7] Matteo Betti: And so you can see here how they fly how confident they are
[2688.74] Matteo Betti: when
[2690.5] Matteo Betti: Make maneuvers crazy maneuvers. This is crazy
[2703.62] Stephen: It brings us to a question we've got in the chat here where people are wondering
[2707.3] Stephen: What cameras are these people running?
[2709.7] Stephen: They've got some kind of starlight cameras they're running and what type of lenses do you prefer for for dog fighting like this?
[2716.42] Matteo Betti: I
[2717.14] Matteo Betti: Okay in my personal
[2719.14] Matteo Betti: uh
[2719.78] Matteo Betti: Tosis that you need to get a really the best camera you can get like with good resolution and good performance with the lights
[2728.74] Matteo Betti: and
[2730.18] Matteo Betti: for night flying is
[2732.9] Matteo Betti: Something that we are mainly experimenting
[2735.86] Matteo Betti: right here
[2737.06] Matteo Betti: so in my case i'm using uh
[2739.3] Matteo Betti: Good old run cam old and I was getting really good results
[2744.9] Matteo Betti: And they are using some
[2746.74] Matteo Betti: I can hear some screens from I don't know if you could hear that. Yeah, we're getting all the screens
[2751.38] Stephen: It's fantastic. We can still hear you though. So don't worry. Yeah, you can see
[2755.78] Matteo Betti: Yeah up there
[2757.38] Matteo Betti: They are fighting and it's
[2759.7] Matteo Betti: I cannot see anything. It's just dark right now. So they I don't know what they are doing
[2765.22] Stephen: I just hear them. Sometimes they're chasing lights and let's hope it's another plane and not a car
[2773.7] Koel: I actually had a question for you about uh, maybe some of the game modes or the different things that you do on the system
[2779.3] Koel: Have you i'm not sure if this is implemented in it or not?
[2782.18] Koel: Or if it's something you might do in the future, but have you ever thought of putting like, you know
[2787.38] Koel: Once you get so many hits on someone you you know, you get an extra
[2791.54] Koel: um, you know an extra type of
[2794.66] Koel: You know gun or or you know as you get more hits you get better sort of um
[2801.14] Koel: You know tools to use over time. So you haven't more of an advantage kind of thing or
[2806.26] Matteo Betti: um
[2807.94] Matteo Betti: the week I never personally thought about that and that's why
[2812.42] Matteo Betti: We like to collect the feedback from the people
[2815.62] Matteo Betti: because
[2816.98] Matteo Betti: for example back in the days a couple of years ago when I first met with the chairman guys that uh
[2824.1] Matteo Betti: Were mainly using the
[2826.5] Matteo Betti: system
[2827.7] Matteo Betti: Yeah, and we experienced some we tried to use the games and we realized that the
[2834.18] Matteo Betti: The joining procedure for the games was a little bit too complex
[2839.04] Matteo Betti: over complicated and
[2841.62] Matteo Betti: The first time we had troubles just trying to
[2844.9] Matteo Betti: Join the game because I don't know it was summertime. Oh, they're gonna crash maybe
[2849.14] Matteo Betti: No
[2852.1] Matteo Betti: So, um
[2853.3] Matteo Betti: so it was like tricky because
[2855.7] Matteo Betti: I don't know there was the tbs guy with the
[2858.9] Matteo Betti: incredibly hot transmitter
[2861.3] Matteo Betti: Btx and it was
[2863.62] Matteo Betti: Switching off the video so he couldn't join this the game and he was missing that so we
[2869.38] Matteo Betti: Definitely. It was a good
[2871.38] Matteo Betti: Occasion to get okay. This is not working straightforward. We had to make something different. So then I
[2878.26] Matteo Betti: retold about how to make it simpler and also
[2882.16] Matteo Betti: dji friendly
[2884.18] Matteo Betti: and
[2885.22] Matteo Betti: So it gets improved improved and then yep
[2888.5] Matteo Betti: So this kind of feedback actually is really good
[2891.22] Matteo Betti: That's a great idea to collect points and get extra like points and get power-ups exactly like fx
[2897.3] Koel: No one was saying in the chat. Yep
[2899.54] Matteo Betti: The fact is that the ideas are coming
[2902.5] Matteo Betti: Sometimes really often from very different part of the world
[2906.98] Matteo Betti: Sometimes they they come ideas that are already implemented and say you should maybe start using the system first and then
[2914.98] Matteo Betti: Yeah, you will get a better understanding about the capabilities
[2918.26] Matteo Betti: and
[2919.38] Matteo Betti: Of course from the gamer community. There is some
[2922.5] Matteo Betti: really good inputs because
[2924.5] Matteo Betti: most of the people who are playing now or used to play simulation game or
[2930.1] Matteo Betti: video game in general and so they also have
[2934.02] Matteo Betti: Something to share about their previous experience in different
[2940.5] Matteo Betti: Activities
[2941.86] Matteo Betti: So collecting points might be an idea idea or for example
[2947.7] Matteo Betti: We talked about the drones and or
[2950.34] Matteo Betti: fixed wing
[2951.62] Matteo Betti: racing wing
[2953.14] Matteo Betti: And that could be a possibility for example
[2956.5] Matteo Betti: to cut the power of a player when you hit him
[2961.22] Matteo Betti: in order to let you
[2963.7] Matteo Betti: boost your power for example
[2965.94] Matteo Betti: And pass him so that could be
[2969.3] Matteo Betti: another improvement
[2970.9] Matteo Betti: That is way more oriented for the racing
[2974.82] Matteo Betti: especially fixed wing but also drones
[2978.98] Koel: Yeah, looks like carolyn in the chat said you all would maybe add shaking the video feed from the camera as your plane gets more damaged
[2985.7] Matteo Betti: That's already done
[2987.7] Koel: cool
[2988.9] Matteo Betti: actually
[2990.26] Matteo Betti: Yes, that's the rudder the aileron the throttle you get damaged you you will feel it
[2997.22] Matteo Betti: and for example, there is a mode where uh, you can set up a specific value
[3003.62] Matteo Betti: and override the input to a desired value and for example
[3008.18] Matteo Betti: Turn off the motor when you lost your love last life
[3012.58] Curry: I just imagine all sorts of fun things
[3015.3] Curry: I think one of the good power-ups if someone connects would be everybody else has their controls reversed for like 30 seconds
[3022.26] Curry: And just to see if they can stay in the air and survive
[3026.58] Matteo Betti: That could be fun. Yep
[3029.94] Matteo Betti: That could be a
[3031.14] Stephen: So i'm just going to uh show this that they've actually got servo pass through so you can see the
[3036.66] Stephen: This is the the full-size board with a beeper and there's uh, there's a camera over here
[3042.58] Stephen: Uh, so i'm not camera there's the the led cannon if you will over here
[3048.34] Stephen: No, that's the receiver I believe and that's the cannon part over here that shoots
[3051.94] Stephen: But you can see you pass through all of the servo pins
[3055.7] Stephen: So you've got servo in and out
[3058.26] Stephen: Which means that the servo values can be modified when you take a hit
[3063.78] Stephen: So you can make the craft shake from side to side or up and down or or lose a control surface effectively
[3070.9] Stephen: Make it work less
[3072.9] Curry: Correctly when you hit or limit someone's speed. I think it's a good one as well
[3077.94] Curry: Advanced job of people which is cool because it means
[3081.46] Curry: Going from a normal flight controller
[3083.22] Curry: It means you're not limited on your radio
[3085.22] Curry: Like if you're using crossfire and something you just take the pwm pin out of your
[3090.34] Curry: Flight controller and and pass it into here and then go out to the servo. So you're not
[3094.96] Curry: restricted on what you're using there
[3097.52] Curry: Which is cool
[3098.4] Curry: This is so good because back in the olden days when we used to meet up if we want to do combat
[3102.4] Curry: We'd fly into each other and this would have been much more fun
[3105.44] Curry: We'd have got much better video than just suddenly you're going along
[3107.92] Curry: Suddenly your video goes dead because someone's hit you and taking your battery out completely
[3114.24] Matteo Betti: Yeah, that's definitely something that you don't want
[3121.52] Curry: I like it a lot
[3123.04] Curry: So, um, this this has been kind of your first big event
[3126.88] Curry: Is this making you?
[3129.28] Curry: Think about when to do the next one or are there other people going to do other things at different places around the world?
[3136.0] Matteo Betti: Okay, uh, that's a tricky question because we don't know how it will evolve
[3141.28] Matteo Betti: If this will be a annual event maybe
[3144.88] Matteo Betti: in europe at least
[3147.76] Matteo Betti: People are excited about that actually the people which are here
[3151.6] Matteo Betti: So
[3154.16] Matteo Betti: Maybe in europe. Yes might be
[3157.36] Matteo Betti: But the numbers are of user are still a little bit low
[3161.76] Matteo Betti: because uh
[3164.08] Matteo Betti: We are talking about
[3165.6] Matteo Betti: FPV pilots which are not a lot in general and this is more focused for fixed wing fliers
[3173.12] Matteo Betti: Because I don't know
[3175.28] Matteo Betti: That was the trend
[3177.04] Matteo Betti: No
[3177.92] Matteo Betti: Actually, I would say we are we have a lot of warbirds here
[3184.48] Matteo Betti: Yeah fixed wing warbird shirt
[3186.8] Matteo Betti: Sure
[3187.68] Matteo Betti: And actually we could call that the first world championship because we have guests from africa here
[3194.48] Matteo Betti: Wow, yeah
[3195.76] Matteo Betti: Wow
[3196.64] Stephen: I'd encourage people to get involved the kit seems reasonably priced. Um, we've got the micro kit and the full kit
[3203.52] Stephen: 35 pounds and 45 pounds respectively and hobbyrc has stocks of the micro kit right now
[3210.24] Stephen: Um, if people want to get involved, what's the difference between the micro kit and the full size kit?
[3216.8] Matteo Betti: So basically the standard size is a fully
[3221.52] Matteo Betti: Ready to plug and play system so you can directly connect your nypo
[3227.44] Matteo Betti: Battery directing to the board up to
[3230.48] Matteo Betti: as I remember 9s
[3233.36] Matteo Betti: High voltage s so that's absolutely no problem and it has a local voltage regulator. So you will not get trouble with the
[3242.08] Matteo Betti: shooting power
[3243.52] Matteo Betti: of the gun and the osd the video
[3247.12] Matteo Betti: this is designed to be work outdoor to get the maximum range
[3252.16] Matteo Betti: and
[3253.04] Matteo Betti: Everything is designed to get very simple wiring
[3256.72] Matteo Betti: So you just have to solder maybe the power cable and that's it and the video
[3262.96] Stephen: And it's on 30 by 30 mounts by the looks of it as well. Yes at the moment. Yes
[3268.0] Matteo Betti: The micro version it was designed to be used on tiny whooper
[3273.44] Matteo Betti: very small
[3275.28] Matteo Betti: models and mainly indoor because
[3279.04] Matteo Betti: Uh on the micro board you cannot place any kind of
[3284.48] Matteo Betti: Local power regulation because there is
[3288.4] Matteo Betti: Barely the space to make the controller and the osd section
[3293.2] Matteo Betti: So you will not get the full power from the micro version
[3297.28] Matteo Betti: Unless you will pair it with an accessory that is available and you and it's the high power driver
[3304.64] Matteo Betti: Okay, actually let you use the micro board and convert the
[3309.52] Matteo Betti: The gun in the micro board to a standard full power gun
[3314.8] Matteo Betti: So you could use on small drones that can fly. I don't know a three inches drone
[3320.56] Matteo Betti: You can you could install the micro board pair with the driver and then you would get the full range also afterward
[3326.4] Stephen: So it's going to be a limited range
[3327.92] Stephen: But it's very very small by comparison instead of 30 by 30 this looks
[3333.12] Stephen: more like a kind of
[3335.2] Matteo Betti: 10 by 20 sort of size it is something like 15 by 19
[3342.0] Matteo Betti: Excellent
[3346.56] Matteo Betti: Please make it smaller than 20
[3348.88] Matteo Betti: And unless I will not be able to use in my tiny things basically like a crossfire
[3355.04] Stephen: module type of size
[3357.2] Matteo Betti: It looks like that or the mini micro osd the very old
[3363.84] Stephen: So do you have any plans for indoor events as well this one half of the the micro kit
[3369.04] Stephen: Which unfortunately is the only one in stock in the uk because the full size appear to have sold out
[3373.52] Matteo Betti: Actually, there was a problem with the restocking. I couldn't restock by myself because the manufacturing costs got so crazy high that
[3381.84] Matteo Betti: Actually
[3383.04] Matteo Betti: Only the controller I would tell you only the controller which is used on that board
[3388.8] Matteo Betti: Cost now more than the price that people could purchase the whole system. Ouch
[3394.8] Matteo Betti: so basically
[3396.16] Matteo Betti: I couldn't manufacture it because it was not nobody would buy it for like
[3401.04] Matteo Betti: Three times the price that it used to cost before sure so going forward
[3405.12] Stephen: Is there a plan to find an alternative controller maybe redesign with a different chip or anything?
[3412.32] Matteo Betti: Actually, one of the main things that has to be done now is to
[3417.28] Matteo Betti: Integrate the digital osd
[3420.32] Matteo Betti: on all the platform that is the first step and
[3424.96] Matteo Betti: In the same time i'm thinking about moving to a different platform
[3429.76] Matteo Betti: Because with this one we I basically hit the limit. I don't have any space for
[3435.44] Matteo Betti: any kind of
[3438.16] Matteo Betti: Additional implementation I could make some code implement code optimization, of course
[3443.52] Matteo Betti: But it's gonna save just a small amount of memory and it's just not enough not anymore enough
[3453.52] Matteo Betti: So in the next version we might be able to see something like
[3459.76] Matteo Betti: A system with integrated auto the rf modules
[3464.48] Matteo Betti: all in one place
[3466.16] Matteo Betti: With same size or maybe smaller with digital support. That is what is
[3472.16] Matteo Betti: Hopefully gonna probably excellent
[3474.48] Stephen: So you'd use like msp display port or something and work with hd0 and potentially the dgi when they're hacked as well
[3481.52] Matteo Betti: Yeah, that would be the way to go
[3484.32] Matteo Betti: Excellent. Actually with hd0. I already have something working but
[3489.04] Matteo Betti: Wasn't able to release it. So
[3491.92] Matteo Betti: It's gonna take a little more time
[3495.04] Stephen: Okay
[3496.24] Stephen: um
[3497.28] Stephen: Your your fellow pilot was screaming that this is going to be an annual event and people should prepare for the next one
[3503.36] Stephen: Have you got any upcoming events for people who haven't been able to make it to fpv combat at model city?
[3508.96] Matteo Betti: Uh, no
[3510.88] Matteo Betti: Because actually we are coming from all different part of euro
[3515.12] Matteo Betti: uh, there are only I think two pilots that join us from from local pilots and
[3521.6] Matteo Betti: They just join at the very end of the
[3524.88] Matteo Betti: Today for example, they say, okay, we will come there
[3528.32] Matteo Betti: And basically they are not even users of the fp combat system
[3533.04] Matteo Betti: So they will install it tomorrow. Hopefully and then we start using it. Excellent
[3537.52] Stephen: Tomorrow well that speaks to how compelling it is people just turn up and install it there and then ready to take to the skies
[3543.6] Matteo Betti: And fight you will yes because actually we have like the masters here
[3549.04] Matteo Betti: which are
[3550.64] Matteo Betti: Really have a lot of experience with the system. So
[3554.4] Matteo Betti: They can you can help each other
[3556.96] Matteo Betti: Get some instant feedback
[3559.44] Matteo Betti: about what is
[3560.72] Matteo Betti: Okay, how to do that? How to do that?
[3563.36] Matteo Betti: What about the wiring a guy today asked me? Oh, I would like to wire this
[3567.76] Matteo Betti: Kind of led they are not addressable. Can I use them?
[3570.96] Matteo Betti: Penis ensure we could show that we updated the boards
[3575.84] Matteo Betti: so
[3577.36] Matteo Betti: There is a really good
[3579.68] Matteo Betti: uh
[3581.04] Matteo Betti: atmosphere here between the pilots because it's everybody are here just to have fun and take the best
[3588.8] Matteo Betti: And they don't expect to be racing like crazy, but just
[3594.08] Matteo Betti: fight and
[3597.52] Stephen: Yes
[3600.32] Stephen: If people have seen this and they think it's amazing and they want to get involved, where should they go?
[3606.8] Matteo Betti: Uh, I think they should go on
[3609.58] Matteo Betti: Facebook, of course, there is a great community which is growing up really fast
[3614.24] Matteo Betti: And dedicated so you can look for the fpv combat community group on facebook
[3619.68] Matteo Betti: There is the fp combat official page
[3622.72] Matteo Betti: And if you go on the website fpv
[3626.16] Matteo Betti: Combat
[3627.52] Matteo Betti: You will see also a map
[3630.32] Matteo Betti: with the users basically around the world and you can
[3635.52] Matteo Betti: what i'm trying to do is to collect the
[3639.68] Matteo Betti: Some context from the people that are either interested in getting into the fpv combat community
[3646.72] Matteo Betti: Or already using it and to list them on that map so you can basically
[3653.36] Matteo Betti: Reach them out and figure out who is flying
[3657.04] Matteo Betti: around the area and
[3660.24] Matteo Betti: Yeah, we have already some people that actually started flying together after
[3665.2] Matteo Betti: They meet on the social
[3667.2] Matteo Betti: Social center said hey i'm looking for a buddy to fly and then hey i'm here i'm waiting for you
[3673.04] Matteo Betti: and then
[3674.24] Matteo Betti: I don't know they started hanging out and fights
[3677.28] Matteo Betti: Yes
[3678.64] Stephen: Excellent. So if people want have you gone through any of the flying clubs if people want to
[3684.16] Stephen: Start having matches at their clubs. Is there anything that they should uh, they should sort out anyone they could contact to
[3691.6] Stephen: Get their club involved
[3694.4] Matteo Betti: No at the moment there are no clubs involved
[3697.68] Matteo Betti: We are happy that we found this place here that don't have any problem
[3702.56] Matteo Betti: with the fpv flyers because
[3705.28] Matteo Betti: Generally fpv is not really well
[3709.02] Matteo Betti: considered by the community of
[3711.36] Matteo Betti: traditional loss
[3714.24] Matteo Betti: Wireless
[3715.52] Matteo Betti: so
[3716.56] Matteo Betti: We are happy that we are
[3718.24] Matteo Betti: Able to meet here
[3720.08] Matteo Betti: and
[3720.88] Matteo Betti: We will see it's really hard because
[3724.24] Matteo Betti: As I said, the numbers are not incredibly high. So maybe we could see something
[3729.84] Matteo Betti: Uh to start working on its own
[3732.08] Matteo Betti: It's
[3733.36] Matteo Betti: In germany, for example or in austria
[3736.72] Matteo Betti: There are several pilots from that area
[3739.84] Matteo Betti: But for example, i'm originally from italy. I moved to italy. Yeah
[3744.32] Matteo Betti: I don't have many people to fly with so
[3747.52] Matteo Betti: In that area, I don't expect to
[3750.0] Matteo Betti: To get any big events in the next, uh future
[3754.0] Matteo Betti: so we have to find some places where to collect people
[3757.92] Matteo Betti: And people has to be ready to travel a little bit because in my case, it was
[3763.82] Matteo Betti: 1200 kilometers
[3766.72] Matteo Betti: And people from africa, I will not even
[3769.76] Matteo Betti: Count how far they are
[3771.92] Matteo Betti: But yes, they
[3773.44] Matteo Betti: They are doing some crazy stuff as well
[3777.52] Matteo Betti: Also from sweden he traveled a couple of days to reach us
[3781.76] Stephen: If people want to practice and they don't have anyone to to fly against if there are any sort of system
[3786.72] Stephen: They can set up how they can shoot things on the ground
[3789.68] Stephen: You mentioned bombing is there an ir target they could shoot on the ground?
[3793.76] Matteo Betti: Uh, there might be really is in the future some humor for someone do it yourself platform for static targets
[3801.04] Matteo Betti: I actually at the beginning I started implementing a game
[3805.36] Matteo Betti: Which involves some multiple targets that people could have been by themselves and but that was
[3812.96] Matteo Betti: to advance it for
[3815.76] Stephen: For the project that it was just needs to be a kit and simple not as circuit board creation
[3822.24] Matteo Betti: No, it was not like uh, it would be in just a Arduino project
[3826.64] Matteo Betti: So affordable for everyone you just connect the sensor that could be also, uh ready to go module
[3833.92] Matteo Betti: With infrared systems something like that
[3836.4] Matteo Betti: but the problem is that
[3838.88] Matteo Betti: It was designed for somebody that already is using the system and wants to get something more
[3846.08] Matteo Betti: From it. So it's not like the
[3848.56] Matteo Betti: entry
[3850.08] Matteo Betti: Level user the start approaching to the system, right?
[3853.76] Matteo Betti: If you want to join to use the system and you're alone, you could just simply use
[3858.88] Matteo Betti: two systems one
[3861.12] Matteo Betti: You can just power it up arm with the infrared remote controller and that it's
[3867.44] Matteo Betti: Stand somewhere where you want
[3870.4] Matteo Betti: And play some lights so it may be visible if you fly in nighttime or in daytime
[3876.24] Matteo Betti: just put
[3877.44] Matteo Betti: It next to something that you can easily find while flying
[3882.08] Matteo Betti: And yep, you can actually have fun. Also if you're flying alone
[3887.6] Matteo Betti: of course, it will be
[3890.32] Matteo Betti: Better if you find someone else
[3892.88] Matteo Betti: And there are some projects that I was thinking about
[3898.48] Koel: I will not
[3900.32] Matteo Betti: Talk about that now
[3902.48] Matteo Betti: We will see there are some
[3905.6] Matteo Betti: Some good ideas that can be that are
[3908.88] Matteo Betti: really possible to to make
[3911.68] Matteo Betti: and to to realize but
[3914.16] Matteo Betti: That will require a lot of time and at the moment
[3917.44] Matteo Betti: I think that's the priority is to get the ost for the digital user instead of focusing
[3923.44] Stephen: That would be fantastic. I've got a lot of digital quads myself. So that that would be
[3928.08] Frank: Excellent to see yeah
[3930.32] Koel: Well, it looks like caroline in the chat and just bought the full-size kit from tbs site and so very cool
[3938.48] Koel: Yeah
[3940.48] Curry: So in other words, you can still get it from tbs even though other places may be out of stock. Yeah. Yep
[3946.32] Stephen: So that's where to go folks over to tbs
[3950.48] Matteo Betti: Yeah, I think now there is
[3953.52] Matteo Betti: There are a few stores in the us also get fpba think it should have it on
[3960.4] Matteo Betti: listed on this website
[3962.56] Matteo Betti: And you can buy it
[3964.56] Matteo Betti: Always if you are in the us you can buy from video
[3967.68] Matteo Betti: aerial system
[3969.52] Matteo Betti: We hope to see soon it in on the flights in flight flight test store as well
[3975.76] Matteo Betti: But we are working on it and in europe. There are some flying machines, for example in germany
[3982.08] Matteo Betti: and
[3983.2] Matteo Betti: other
[3984.64] Matteo Betti: dealers are listed on the website
[3987.04] Matteo Betti: And there is also the official store directly on the we should have plugged down the head
[3992.64] Stephen: I didn't realize you had your own shop
[3994.88] Stephen: Always talking about it being in stock here
[3996.88] Stephen: We are that you've got 83 in stock in the official fpv combat store. So there you are
[4002.72] Stephen: It's uh, let's put some money over to the project here
[4007.76] Stephen: And hopefully it doesn't get held up in uk customs like everything else seems to
[4012.16] Matteo Betti: I don't know
[4014.08] Matteo Betti: I already should um, I think in the uk there was uh
[4019.84] Matteo Betti: Hobby hobby
[4025.04] Stephen: They've got the uh, they've got the micro one but not the full size but
[4028.16] Stephen: Okay, so for full size tbs or the fbv combat store
[4032.8] Stephen: Um, they both seem to have some in stock for uk users
[4036.88] Stephen: And for american viewers, I guess you need to look at the dealers lists
[4041.36] Stephen: There's probably like 20 different dealers in the us
[4044.56] Stephen: So fbv combat.com there's a big old list of all the dealers actually I think in the us there are just
[4051.28] Matteo Betti: Two or three maybe for sure video aerial system
[4055.2] Stephen: Oh, yeah
[4056.48] Stephen: Just list one actually you just list video aerial systems. So maybe
[4062.08] Matteo Betti: Just because I wasn't really worried about the others
[4065.84] Matteo Betti: I had the distribution
[4068.0] Matteo Betti: with another
[4070.16] Matteo Betti: So it was a little bit trickier and to follow that so I list only that one because it was that
[4076.08] Matteo Betti: The official us channel is video real system
[4080.8] Matteo Betti: Very cool
[4083.2] Stephen: This is it's wonderful to see the project doing so well
[4086.24] Stephen: It's wonderful to hear the plane screaming past behind you and everyone clearly enjoying fbv combat and having a great time
[4093.12] Stephen: It looks like it's finally gotten too dark and they've given up flying. It was impressive that they carried on so late
[4100.56] Matteo Betti: The lights are still light up. You can see the green
[4103.68] Matteo Betti: the green
[4105.12] Matteo Betti: Landing strip lights and then we have also some blinking
[4109.2] Stephen: Red lights but no pilots at the moment because they've all they're all going to the bar
[4115.6] Matteo Betti: They are hidden somewhere
[4119.84] Stephen: It's great to see the community that you've built I think it's it's absolutely excellent it really is and so
[4126.0] Stephen: I wish you the the best of luck
[4127.76] Stephen: I think we're drawing to the end of the show now
[4129.44] Stephen: Is there anything you want to to get in mateo about the project or what you want people to know about the future?
[4135.12] Matteo Betti: Yeah, no, actually
[4137.84] Matteo Betti: you have to try it and just try not to get addicted to that because
[4143.12] Matteo Betti: That's addicting. It's something like
[4146.0] Matteo Betti: It's a great feeling when you hit somebody and you
[4150.24] Matteo Betti: Hear him screaming next to you because you hit him and he felt the heat it was it is like
[4157.9] Matteo Betti: incredibly satisfying
[4159.92] Stephen: editor sound bite
[4162.88] UNKNOWN: Thank you
[4164.88] Stephen: All right
[4166.4] Stephen: Thank you so much mateo for dialing in from the field and fighting through a wi-fi connection in the middle of an event
[4173.52] Stephen: Really appreciate it and excellent to see your project doing so well
[4177.92] Stephen: Thank you. All right, you have been joined by mateo of fpv combat. Thank you so much for joining us
[4184.48] Stephen: Thank you
[4185.92] Stephen: curry kitten
[4187.6] Stephen: everyone's favorite
[4189.68] Stephen: Again, they're all way around we'll have to favorite everyone's curry kitten
[4194.0] Stephen: Goodbye cold our social media wizard. See you and myself stephen
[4200.0] Stephen: Thank you very much and a huge. Thanks to all of our patreons. We really appreciate the support you give us
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