=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 366 ===
Title: LDO 366 - Has Jack Gone To The Dark Side?
Recorded: 2022-09-01
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,766
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbFPgPdfBlU); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1336541356-letsdroneout-ldo-366-has-jack-gone-to-the-dark-side.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Stephen: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Stephen: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome back to Let's Drone Out tonight.
[55.02] Jack: We are joined by the man with the moustache.
[59.46] Jack: Hello everyone.
[60.46] Jack: Welcome.
[61.46] Jack: Stephen.
[62.46] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[65.74] Jack: Hello.
[66.74] Jack: I'm Bright Until I Fly and this is the man who didn't use my thumbnail.
[74.46] Jack: Go.
[75.46] Jack: Howdy.
[76.46] Jack: Outrage.
[77.46] Jack: It's alright.
[78.46] Jack: Don't worry.
[79.46] Curry: So, Jack, before we start, well, let's start with this.
[84.42] Curry: Tell us about the thumbnail and it's not Cole's fault because we just saw the message
[87.66] Curry: and said this is a thumbnail which is accurate.
[90.74] Curry: What have you been doing?
[93.14] Curry: Why is there a DJI Avata near you?
[97.9] Curry: Why are you trying to masturbate with it?
[100.06] Jack: All these questions need to be answered.
[103.06] Jack: Vital questions.
[104.06] Jack: What was the first one again?
[106.14] UNKNOWN: Avata.
[107.14] Curry: What are you doing with the studio Avata?
[110.86] Jack: What are you doing with the DJ Avata, yes.
[112.5] Curry: Have you gone over to the dark side?
[114.62] Jack: I've gone insane.
[115.62] Jack: I've bought one.
[117.62] Jack: No, a friend of mine has one and I decided to use the grip to f*** it off.
[129.1] Curry: Is it everyone's favourite professional griefer?
[132.3] Jack: Yes.
[133.9] Jack: No, no, no.
[136.34] Koel: Is it a friend or is it a friend?
[140.66] Koel: There's a friend, a codename for you bought it and it's a friend.
[144.38] Koel: No.
[145.38] Stephen: Have you started a new limited company for the purposes of hoarding DJI equipment?
[150.86] Jack: No.
[151.86] Jack: It's my friend Digby Dan, he got it.
[159.46] Jack: I had a quick go of it today and it is pretty good.
[168.26] Jack: I didn't buy it, Frank.
[169.82] Jack: I didn't buy it.
[170.82] Jack: Scab.
[171.82] Jack: You touched it.
[172.82] Koel: Scab.
[173.82] Koel: Yeah, you jerked it off if you jerked it off.
[177.14] Jack: Yeah, I just thought it would be funny to post stuff with me f***ing it off.
[184.1] Jack: I mean, I might delete it.
[185.3] Jack: I don't know.
[186.3] Jack: I don't know.
[187.3] Jack: No, I just keep it.
[188.3] Jack: It's funny.
[189.3] Koel: Did the rounds and everything.
[191.9] Koel: But you know what I found really funny though was you posted that with the DJI Avata and
[196.9] Koel: I actually was going back in your reels and your videos just watching like past videos
[201.38] Koel: and you were shaming people for using DJI products in the past in the same thread of
[207.86] Koel: your videos and I was like, oh, the tables have turned, haven't they?
[212.5] Jack: Yeah, I had a moment of weakness and then I, well, I sold them and now they're worth
[218.14] Jack: more.
[219.14] Stephen: I still don't understand what was going through your head in that week where you like decided
[223.54] Stephen: that after all said and done, you'd go and buy it and then instantly sold it.
[227.62] Jack: Yeah, well, without ever using it, yeah, because everyone panic bought the air units and by
[235.46] Jack: the time I had the cash to get an air unit, there was none left and it was just the absolute
[244.42] Jack: fear mongering.
[245.42] Jack: So I just kind of got rid of them and was like, sod it.
[251.54] Jack: I'll buy them again when they're cheaper or wait till hopefully at some point, something
[260.22] Jack: else is worked out.
[261.42] Jack: I don't know whether HD video or Runcam or Kadex release something, but I didn't like
[271.82] Jack: them.
[273.82] Jack: I don't like them because they don't sit above your head.
[276.78] Jack: They're really big.
[280.18] Jack: There's things like, if you update it now, you can't get to the root house.
[284.62] Koel: Yeah, well, I mean, this is what I was sort of thinking was like, there's so many options
[295.38] Koel: now, right?
[296.38] Koel: As far as like whatever, HD zero, walk, snail, DJI, Runcam, Kadex, like Fat Shark, whatever.
[303.7] Koel: There's so many now.
[304.74] Koel: I think everyone's kind of waiting out now for the O3 air unit, right?
[309.42] Koel: That's kind of like, they're going to be the new and greatest, latest and greatest,
[314.78] Koel: I guess.
[315.78] Koel: Is it?
[316.78] Stephen: I mean, it's going to be a slightly improved transmission system, but no one said if the
[323.98] Stephen: goggles are better.
[324.98] Stephen: No one said if the OST is going to work this time.
[329.3] Stephen: Even the walk, snail stuff, which had all this like furor around, oh, yeah, they've
[333.82] Stephen: got together with Fat Shark and Fat Shark make the best goggles and walk, snail have
[338.38] Stephen: an excellent transmission system and, you know, with Fat Shark's amazing ability to
[343.22] Stephen: like create super comfortable goggles.
[345.5] Stephen: It's going to be great.
[346.66] Stephen: The first thing I noticed when I put Andy's goggles on the walk, snail goggles was they
[351.34] Stephen: just hit the bridge of my nose and all the weight was rested right on the front of the
[356.22] Stephen: bridge of my nose.
[357.22] Stephen: The entire goggle weight was pinched through a piece of hard plastic digging in to the
[362.22] Stephen: bridge of my nose.
[363.54] Koel: And it was no, no, no, it was all cut out, eh?
[366.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[367.78] Stephen: It was awful.
[368.78] Stephen: It was worse than the DJI goggles.
[372.1] Stephen: It's my sky zones are way more comfortable than the walk snails.
[375.98] Stephen: So I don't know.
[378.66] Stephen: I just don't believe people's reviews anymore.
[380.74] Stephen: I mean, Andy's always said, like, you've got to wear stuff to find out if it fits your
[385.18] Stephen: face.
[386.18] Stephen: But yeah, I'm not sure about the walk snails and that there seems to be some toing and
[391.7] Stephen: froing as to whether they'll support a proper DisplayPort OSD forever or whether it's going
[398.26] Stephen: to kind of go off in a different direction.
[401.54] Curry: There was also in that list of digital and it sounds kind of like really between the
[406.14] Curry: lines that people would like to choose something other than DJI because they don't trust DJI
[412.18] Curry: not to bring out the next one and say, oh, this is incompatible with that one and this
[415.86] Curry: one and you'll have to like give one of your kidneys before you're allowed to register
[422.06] Curry: with it.
[423.06] Curry: Orca was the other one that was supposed to be bringing out their own HD system, which
[427.14] Curry: hasn't happened yet.
[428.14] Curry: And they were also talking about our goggles are going to be very open.
[431.34] Curry: So you're going to be able to implement other HD systems.
[434.42] Curry: But that's that's a little bit fanciful because no one else has brought out anything in the
[439.94] Curry: realms of a module that you can just add on really at this point.
[445.78] Curry: Jack, did you actually try out the goggles for the avatar or did you just carry jerking
[450.18] Curry: it off or whatever?
[451.94] Jack: I was in the V2 goggles.
[455.22] Jack: Oh, right.
[456.18] Jack: So I didn't have any of the head tracking.
[459.58] Curry: Does that mean did you still get that little dot where you can?
[463.46] Curry: So what was that like?
[464.46] Curry: That looked really odd.
[466.82] Jack: You just kind of like use the grip.
[471.94] Jack: There's got to be a better.
[472.86] Jack: What's the call?
[473.9] Koel: What's the joystick or or what's it called?
[478.66] Jack: I just I just assume that's a really dill donic interface in control, I think.
[484.42] Curry: I would sock be a holder for the stick.
[487.62] Curry: Then have we got to use for the socks now?
[490.86] Jack: I don't know how much the editor is going to have to bleep that out.
[495.3] Stephen: Can we say telly dill donics?
[496.78] Stephen: Is that OK?
[498.5] Stephen: That sounds like and that sounds valid.
[500.78] Stephen: I think we're good.
[503.34] Jack: Yeah, so yeah, the motion controller, you kind of you have that circle and you kind
[512.86] Jack: of like aim it at stuff, but it really does it like if you suddenly stop, it really like
[519.74] Jack: smooths it out.
[520.7] Jack: The horizons pretty locked in.
[524.74] Jack: I was on like I had one solid green light and one flashing light.
[530.02] Jack: That's what level of battery I was on.
[532.26] Jack: So I literally got five seconds and then I had a small little if I go out, it's because
[539.98] Jack: thunder and lightning has taken me out.
[542.7] Jack: But I really didn't.
[549.26] Jack: I got on with it.
[550.58] Jack: The throttle, I kept pressing it and hoping it would go like send me upwards.
[556.26] Jack: But you need to kind of angle the that circle upwards and then tilt back and then press
[565.78] Jack: throttle for it to actually gain high.
[568.7] Jack: So it was I was fighting the controls a bit to get get it.
[574.42] Jack: But I could easily see that someone who's never flown FPV would just totally duck to
[581.66] Jack: water it.
[583.26] Jack: You love it and be easy to use.
[585.78] Jack: Yeah, just it was as a point to go into place then.
[591.06] Jack: Yeah, you know, I could really tell that the only the only sort of argument I had with it
[596.18] Jack: was because of my own sort of stuck in the mud, you know, wanting to like fly it manual.
[603.5] Jack: But it was very easy to like concentrate and be like, no, I'm going to do you know, I'm
[610.02] Jack: going to do this and point the circle to where you want to go.
[613.74] Jack: And you can just stop moving and let you go to the tree, go for it.
[619.54] Jack: Yeah. And then give the old motion control a twist and you can just turn to get to where
[625.9] Jack: you want. And because the battery was really low and I had a very quick go, the countdown
[632.78] Jack: for auto land happened and then it just took over and then started to gain some altitude.
[639.62] Jack: And then it kind of got into the wind and was badly tilting.
[643.86] Jack: And then I just canceled that, brought it forward and then just hit land and it just
[648.7] Jack: auto land and it was fine.
[651.46] Jack: It just, you know, it's a bit weird.
[657.06] Jack: Like, you know, auto land, I know I'm going to use a ton of throttle and go up to really
[662.82] Jack: high, but I think it's not really set up for it.
[666.54] Jack: But, you know, when you fly RC and you're looking at it at a point of view of like, we've
[674.06] Jack: been doing this for a long time, you do, you know, you're like, look, I'll tell you when
[678.26] Jack: to when to land.
[679.46] Jack: But, you know, for a newbie, man, it's got it's got it's got itself covered, really.
[686.34] Jack: What was the video like?
[690.26] Jack: Like, I'm not the best to ask because I'm shoving my glasses in there.
[696.54] Jack: Oh, right. And it was a bit, you know, it's not you had some less issues.
[703.02] Jack: Yeah, you know, it was, you know, the colors were kind of soft and, you know, it's not
[711.06] Jack: that detailed, but like it's totally flyable.
[714.06] Jack: Like, no problem.
[715.3] Koel: So weird because I've basically heard like the complete opposite based on like reviews
[721.22] Koel: online saying it's like super vibrant and sharp and like high, high quality or whatever.
[728.82] Koel: But again, like every your miles may vary depending on like, I guess you have glasses
[733.18] Jack: that might kind of, you know, yeah, my my glasses has got a coating on them.
[739.34] Jack: They've got all kind of like anti-glare coating.
[741.86] Jack: So like, yeah, like take take what I say with an absolute fistful of soul, you know,
[750.62] Jack: because I, you know, I've I've got an anti-glare coating.
[756.82] Jack: The goggles don't quite fit my face.
[759.54] Jack: And I was too busy really, like trying to get my head around the new
[768.06] Jack: control system and trying not to crash it.
[771.5] Jack: And the dog we're with is a psychopath.
[775.14] Jack: He just hates quads.
[777.34] Jack: As soon as he hates the plugging in the lipo.
[781.94] Jack: So like the crack of the lipo noise alerts him to there's a drone going to go down.
[790.14] Jack: And then as soon as it takes off, one of us has to hold him.
[794.78] Jack: And then you've got what I can only describe as if the noise that comes out of him is that
[800.82] Jack: we're murdering his whole family in front of him.
[804.02] Jack: It's like, and then just bark, bark, bark and then just mindlessly take off and try and
[812.58] Jack: kill the drone.
[814.06] Jack: It's it's very handy.
[815.9] Jack: You'll never lose a drone with him.
[817.58] Jack: But there was an element of I've got to control this.
[821.86] Jack: And if I fly too low, he's going to eat me.
[825.02] Jack: Yeah, almost happened on Digby Dan's run.
[828.62] Jack: And so he he he was a bit low coming down the path and you just saw the dog's head pop up and
[836.38] Jack: then luckily he got some height.
[839.26] Jack: But yeah, if I get hold of that video, I'll I'll send it to you guys to to to be like,
[845.7] Jack: yeah, he almost he almost got it.
[848.18] Jack: He's he's got a few drones here and there.
[850.94] Jack: Fair play to him.
[852.78] Koel: But yeah, and now I was I was a bit shocked that they didn't have like
[858.58] Koel: forward sensing sensors on that one or whatever.
[862.26] Koel: I mean, they have them on the bottom.
[865.66] Jack: Yeah, you've got a big idea switch so you can just literally hit this big break button.
[872.9] Jack: So it's the the big like waffle shaped one.
[877.78] Jack: I don't know how compatible it's going to be with like left handed people as well.
[883.22] Jack: That was me a bit miffed because I was like, oh, what happens for left handed people?
[888.22] Jack: It's like your whole like, you know, pan until like I think there's some camera set.
[894.22] Stephen: Oh, they put it all on hats and stuff.
[895.94] Stephen: I say around the side of the controller.
[898.1] Jack: Yeah, a little slider stuff like that's not good.
[901.9] Curry: Burn them as witches.
[903.46] Curry: Maybe that's the answer.
[904.78] Jack: Yeah, so I flew it right handed and I had a position.
[910.42] Jack: Yeah, I had I had like I'm going back to the original discussion.
[915.14] Curry: It's kind of like the stranger, stranger flying.
[918.1] Jack: Yeah, stranger flight.
[920.42] Jack: Yeah, it really was like.
[923.26] Koel: Well, I guess at the same time, too, like having forward sensors or obstacle points on the front
[928.14] Koel: wouldn't really make sense on a sitting because you're going to be flying through small places anyway.
[932.94] Stephen: You want to be able to do that kind of cute shot where you're flying through someone's legs,
[937.82] Stephen: gap in a chair, so you don't want to be wearing coffee or something.
[942.82] Koel: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my magic before.
[946.94] Koel: But yeah, it's not very fun with the sense of a rising tide and all that.
[951.1] Stephen: But it does make me feel that people are kind of missing the point of it.
[954.58] Stephen: I'm conflicted with DJI products.
[956.38] Stephen: I can see they help people appreciate some of the artistic output that you can get from FPV.
[962.38] Stephen: And it brings a wider audience to that.
[964.14] Stephen: And maybe there's some people who get this and they go on from that to get freestyle quad that goes a bit faster,
[970.26] Stephen: do some more interesting stunts.
[972.38] Stephen: But it also feels like DJI have taken something that's cool about our hobby and just kind of cashing in on it
[978.9] Stephen: and trying to turn it into a commodity when it really is potential to be a bit more interesting than that.
[985.98] Koel: Yeah, I mean, someone's got it.
[987.34] Koel: Someone someone's surely to be the one to do the cash grab.
[992.18] Koel: And if whoever's got the most money, they're going to put the most into it and then they're going to try to get the most out of it.
[998.42] Koel: So it's like gaming and that.
[1001.06] Stephen: There's always someone doing the dumb kind of Call of Duty stuff for every like 100 indie developers doing weird, unusual stuff.
[1008.9] Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But like, you know what?
[1014.62] Jack: You know, Tommy said, oh, my oh, my God.
[1018.06] Jack: You know, the fact is that you can like fly into a room and then stop.
[1025.62] Jack: No one's no one's released.
[1028.78] Jack: You know, they're basically doing everything that Vernon said he would do.
[1033.98] Jack: It's a one axis gimbal, but you've got an extra access because you've got the digital standard and everything.
[1040.34] Jack: Yeah. You know, like that's that's the problem is like, yeah, you can build an iNav quad.
[1046.02] Jack: But, you know, trying to get a gimbal or gimbals,
[1051.58] Jack: you know, like the production of gimbals have kind of stopped now, you know, you can.
[1056.54] Jack: Yeah, you can build your own.
[1058.82] Jack: Yeah. Like, you know, the Ollie.
[1062.06] Jack: Whatever, you're almost better off buying a DJI Osmo and taping it to, you know, in order to get.
[1070.74] Jack: You know, no one's releasing these small little gimbals that you put.
[1075.9] Koel: You know, you get the Alex Moss ones or whatever.
[1078.86] Jack: Yeah. I mean, they mention gimbals to.
[1083.9] Jack: So Andy say no, it was a.
[1087.14] Jack: Oh, sorry, Karen.
[1088.58] Stephen: I was going to mention that you posted a comment about Andy saying it's bad indoors in low light.
[1094.02] Stephen: And if GPS return to home kicks in, then it flies to the roof.
[1097.86] Stephen: Now, that sounds like they've completely missed
[1102.26] Stephen: a big section of their target market who wanted to film
[1106.38] Stephen: cute little things flying through business premises as advertising collateral,
[1110.98] Stephen: which is like all of the top shots that you see people doing with cine whoops.
[1115.62] Stephen: They're all indoors because there's no wonder and they're all flying through people.
[1120.38] Curry: I wonder if there's an option of your fail safe to say land
[1124.06] Curry: as opposed to just RTH because that would be they must know this could be indoors
[1128.54] Curry: around trees, stuff like that, where it's like just going to be stupid to clunk.
[1133.1] Curry: You know, well, there's a question to Andy.
[1134.7] Stephen: Can you configure the fail safe? Yeah.
[1138.02] Koel: Well, did you guys see the rotor ride episode when they were in that
[1140.98] Koel: like neon or black light like a mini putt course kind of thing?
[1146.66] Curry: I saw that and the lighting, they couldn't use that motion controller,
[1150.38] Curry: could they, because it couldn't pick up correctly on that lighting condition.
[1155.02] Koel: Yeah, Andy was saying that it's not good.
[1157.78] Koel: I guess that's maybe the camera.
[1159.06] Koel: It's bad in low light, but I mean, it's yeah, it does seem like they were having
[1164.26] Koel: kind of a heck of a time, you know, just using that controller
[1168.02] Koel: and getting this weird stuff going on in that lower light environment.
[1172.14] Koel: So that's also strange because, you know,
[1175.9] Stephen: that's what you want a small quad for.
[1178.18] Stephen: What's it got, like three inch, two and a half inch props, tiny props.
[1181.7] Koel: Yeah. Yeah.
[1183.06] Koel: Like, well, even like the club I work at, they had a guy
[1186.34] Koel: come in a couple of times.
[1187.46] Koel: And I mean, I don't really know if it would be a good idea
[1191.26] Koel: to throw an Avada in there if it's going to if it, you know, fail safes or whatever.
[1196.46] Stephen: Like, I guess I always figured that they're the sort of thing
[1199.34] Stephen: someone with a whole bunch of money gets is just an expensive toy.
[1202.54] Stephen: And if they want to. Yeah.
[1204.54] Stephen: If they're going to do serious work, then they'll probably read about it,
[1207.86] Stephen: build something themselves. Yeah.
[1211.94] Jack: But I'm sure that that's something that can be updated in software.
[1217.34] Jack: You know, if if these guys, you know, that's kind of where,
[1224.34] Jack: you know, the sort of like mistrust, you know.
[1228.62] Jack: Is a Jew.
[1233.46] Koel: Yeah. I mean, to be honest, like when it was first announced,
[1237.94] Koel: when it was first showed, I was like super ecstatic about it.
[1241.22] Koel: I mean, you guys saw me a couple of episodes ago.
[1243.14] Koel: I was like, it's amazing.
[1244.74] Koel: I'm getting it.
[1245.58] Koel: I didn't say I was getting it, but like I thought it was really cool.
[1248.34] Koel: But after seeing it a little more video, it's a little more reviews and just,
[1252.98] Koel: I mean, like, OK, this this is my sort of take on it.
[1255.86] Koel: It does seem really cool.
[1257.26] Koel: It's cool that it has all that stabilization built in.
[1259.42] Koel: You don't have to mess around too much in post if you unless you really want to.
[1264.06] Koel: But then I don't know that the camera quality does seem better
[1268.86] Koel: than the original DJI FPV.
[1271.62] Koel: But I don't think it's quite as good as like the Action 2 or like a real GoPro.
[1279.18] Koel: I read I also saw somebody talking online talking about how the old apparently
[1283.58] Koel: well, this is all rumors, obviously, but apparently the O3 air unit
[1287.74] Koel: is, quote unquote, just a DJI Action 2 and that it'll have all this rock
[1291.9] Koel: steady horizon steady, all this stuff built in, which if it does,
[1296.06] Koel: that would be pretty cool, I guess, because you wouldn't necessarily need an HD cam.
[1300.26] Koel: But then you'd also have to have a fair enough angle
[1302.58] Koel: that you're not getting props in the shot.
[1304.58] Koel: And then there's kind of all those.
[1305.82] Stephen: If you really looked at the Action 2 footage, though, like in bad lighting
[1309.94] Stephen: conditions, the Action 2 is is nothing to write home about.
[1314.14] Stephen: It's a lot worse than the GoPro.
[1316.54] Koel: Well, see, what one of my argument for that is, though, I think a lot of
[1320.02] Koel: in this in the hobby, the FPV hobby community, whatever.
[1324.38] Koel: I think a lot of the problem, though, is is like
[1327.46] Koel: a lot of people don't know how to use cameras properly
[1329.78] Koel: or do camera settings properly.
[1331.54] Koel: So a lot of people are pushing their ISO way too high,
[1334.54] Koel: which is going to make stuff look like in at nighttime.
[1337.78] Koel: Whereas like, I don't know, my experience is like
[1340.9] Koel: if you're going to shoot at nighttime, expose for the lights,
[1343.74] Koel: don't expose for the darkest bits.
[1346.18] Koel: If you expose for the lighting, your ISO doesn't have to be that high
[1349.06] Koel: and it would look a lot better.
[1350.74] Koel: So I don't know.
[1351.98] Koel: I would want to play around with it and see.
[1353.7] Koel: Like, I just feel like a lot of people just kind of, you know,
[1356.7] Koel: press auto on their camera settings and wish for the best.
[1360.1] Koel: But I don't think that's necessarily the best way to judge a camera.
[1363.66] Stephen: A lot of pilots are pilots first.
[1365.5] Stephen: They're not camera people first.
[1367.1] Stephen: So, yeah, that's understandable.
[1369.3] Koel: Yeah, just little things I noticed as well.
[1371.14] Koel: But yeah, I mean, I do know you know the Action 2 isn't the
[1375.02] Koel: it's definitely not the cream of the crop when it comes to image quality.
[1378.14] Koel: That's for sure.
[1379.58] Stephen: Well, it's Action 2.
[1380.66] Stephen: What are we on GoPro 10?
[1383.06] Stephen: It's much more iteration on the GoPro side.
[1386.06] Stephen: Maybe if we go back to the early GoPros,
[1388.9] Stephen: then we would really be shocked at the kind of image quality we're getting.
[1392.58] Stephen: And it might take DJI another three or four years to to get to a standard
[1397.3] Stephen: where it really rivals the GoPro for image quality.
[1400.66] Koel: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1401.38] Koel: Well, I mean, DJI is focusing on a lot of stuff, whereas like GoPro is kind of like,
[1406.5] Koel: OK, we're making cameras.
[1408.3] Koel: And I mean, they had their they had their stint with the drone
[1412.14] Koel: whenever many years ago, but that was that was rough.
[1416.1] Koel: So they're like, OK, we're not doing that anymore.
[1418.38] Koel: Stick to what they're good at.
[1419.5] Koel: Whereas like DJI, they're good at quads, they're getting better at cameras.
[1424.58] Koel: Now they're doing microphones.
[1426.14] Koel: Like they're they're trying like they're they're definitely like trying to build up.
[1431.34] Koel: But yeah, they're definitely not, you know, on par with, you know, the content.
[1435.14] Stephen: DJI has got to that point where they're a big enough company
[1438.94] Stephen: that they're making that ecosystem play.
[1441.54] Stephen: They're not just looking to make one type of thing.
[1443.9] Stephen: They're looking to make that thing and everything else
[1447.1] Stephen: that a person who buys that thing would be interested in.
[1450.78] Koel: Yeah. Oh, according to the NDRC, the Avada camera is far better than the Action 2.
[1456.1] Koel: So that's something. That's good.
[1459.7] Stephen: Cool. I remember with the Action 2, Failsafe was saying
[1462.14] Stephen: he was pouring water on it between flights to cool it down as well.
[1466.7] Stephen: Well, you want to be doing, you know, I don't worry, it's waterproof.
[1470.5] Stephen: Just dousing the camera in water to get it like 10 or 20 degrees cooler
[1474.42] Stephen: so you can fly again.
[1475.78] Curry: I did have my first GoPro overheat, which I've never had before,
[1480.14] Curry: but I was filming for a long time in 4K 60 out in the heat.
[1485.3] Curry: And after about 25 minutes, I just did it, did it, did it.
[1489.42] Curry: I was like, what's going on there?
[1490.54] Curry: Turn it back on, started filming 30 seconds later, did it, did it?
[1493.94] Curry: Off it goes.
[1494.9] Curry: I just basically leave it for about 20 minutes to let it recap itself.
[1500.02] Curry: Just get your thoughts, get yourself together and we can go again.
[1502.82] Curry: Yeah, that's done it before.
[1505.66] Koel: Yeah, it's usually the batteries, too, that are the ones that get hot.
[1508.5] Koel: Like if you start the battery, you might get a little more life out of it.
[1511.22] Stephen: But yeah, it's I run mine without a battery.
[1514.78] Stephen: Just think of that's easier.
[1517.3] Curry: Yeah, there's it's so it gets hot without a battery, but it doesn't turn on either.
[1520.78] Curry: That's my problem with it.
[1522.86] Stephen: I use one of those little Bex like you are messing around with the thumb pro.
[1527.58] Stephen: Could have done that.
[1528.86] Curry: This is on my head is being an action camera at the time.
[1531.74] Curry: So it's it's it needs to be flexible.
[1535.54] Koel: We got some some secret leaks from Andy, I see.
[1538.7] Jack: Andy, why don't you just come on the show?
[1542.86] Stephen: You've got come on so you can be properly attacked.
[1549.94] Curry: Pretty much at least once a year, GoPro does bring out a new camera.
[1553.22] Curry: I think it's right to expect one before the end of the year.
[1556.14] Koel: Yeah. Yeah.
[1557.38] Curry: It's like, will it be the 11 or will it be something else?
[1559.98] Stephen: Will someone finally make something that can fit into a session mount?
[1564.9] Koel: Hero 11 session. Hero 11 session. Hero 11 session.
[1569.26] Koel: GoPro do it. We need it.
[1571.98] Jack: No, they don't.
[1573.74] Jack: They don't even like us.
[1576.1] Koel: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
[1577.98] Stephen: Well, we're not we're not surfing, are we?
[1580.02] Stephen: Or like riding horses or doing something that looks cool.
[1583.14] Stephen: We're a bunch of nerds standing with goggles on our faces.
[1587.1] Curry: And we don't have followers.
[1589.42] Curry: I'm using it as a neck workout when I've got it on my head.
[1591.74] Curry: I was after a while, I just go limp and I sort of roll around like this
[1595.54] Curry: and someone has to rescue me because it's way so much.
[1600.14] Jack: Well, aren't you using it in water?
[1602.34] Jack: May need to film the fishies.
[1605.18] Curry: I am like a proper GoPro customer.
[1608.14] Curry: I take it skiing with me.
[1610.26] Curry: I film underwater with it.
[1613.42] Curry: And but I also use it quite a lot as as my sort of field camera,
[1617.9] Curry: because that that front screen for me when I'm saying hello, everybody,
[1621.3] Curry: I'm at the field because you could tell because there's a field behind me
[1623.86] Curry: is dead useful and it goes on my head when I was filming my little helicopter.
[1628.14] Koel: Yeah, just watch that.
[1628.9] Curry: Actually, that's the only thing I haven't done with my GoPro 10 is put it on the quad.
[1632.7] Curry: And that's because the current GoPro never goes on the quad in case I break it.
[1636.22] Curry: The previous GoPro does.
[1637.62] Curry: So the GoPro 7 goes on the quad.
[1639.1] Curry: The GoPro 10 is is my baby, although it's a very heavy one.
[1642.78] Jack: What about skydiving?
[1645.7] Curry: I haven't done any of that.
[1646.5] Curry: I haven't done any surfing either.
[1647.74] Curry: I did take it on a stand up paddleboard, but it mainly involves
[1650.94] Curry: pictures of me going like this and the paddleboard disappearing.
[1654.54] Curry: And then you see the dishes again.
[1656.22] Curry: It just wants to go back to the fish.
[1661.1] Jack: That's like the little arm waves was amazing.
[1666.06] Jack: Yeah, come on, Andy, we miss you.
[1668.14] Jack: And I'll be a lot calmer because I've already walked off the
[1672.58] Jack: donation controller.
[1674.66] Jack: It's got to have a right hand.
[1676.62] Stephen: What we should do is wait until Andy's got no pending product reveals to do.
[1680.9] Stephen: So he won't be tempted to blurt out any NDA breaching stuff
[1684.66] Stephen: and then get him on the show.
[1686.22] Stephen: So we just need to wait till he's got all this Avata and Cadex
[1689.86] Stephen: and whatever stuff out of his system.
[1691.66] Stephen: Just wait for it to to be cleansed.
[1694.38] Stephen: And then he can come on the show relaxed and free of worry.
[1699.06] Stephen: We might not even need the disclaimer.
[1701.54] Jack: Yeah, if someone can make a really small but good,
[1706.74] Jack: you know, three three axis gimbal, it'd be amazing.
[1711.3] Jack: But, you know, we're very delicate things, though, aren't they?
[1715.34] Koel: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1718.5] Koel: That would I don't know.
[1721.06] Koel: I mean, they do exist for like the cinema stuff, I guess, like cinequads,
[1725.1] Koel: but they're heavy, though.
[1726.86] Curry: Yeah, I think it's like the world's given up on gimbals now.
[1730.1] Stephen: Yeah, that was that was so we can do it in software.
[1733.06] Stephen: Yeah. Well, and also like the compact version of the gimbal is OIS, isn't it?
[1738.3] Stephen: But you put it in the lens and it's much easier to manage.
[1742.66] Stephen: Instead of that's why with the higher weight of the camera,
[1744.74] Stephen: you just move the lens system and that's it.
[1746.58] Curry: Oh, you just get an Insta360 or you can pretend you can gimbal around.
[1751.18] Koel: Yeah. Yeah.
[1752.42] Koel: Well, I was going to say, yes, it's all it's all digital now, man.
[1756.38] Koel: Like, that's why on the Avata, it's just a one axis
[1758.7] Koel: because they're I mean, you guys have seen like the hero nines and tens
[1762.54] Koel: where you can turn it like like super far and you can rotate it super crazy,
[1768.54] Koel: but it still keeps it level.
[1770.42] Koel: So, you know, the the software and like the technology has gotten so advanced
[1775.54] Stephen: now that it's like, sorry, I mean, like not EIS like in software, but OIS
[1781.14] Stephen: where optics in the lens have like tiny, tiny motors in them or like
[1786.46] Stephen: yeah, tiny, tiny actuators that do image stabilization and the optics.
[1791.66] Stephen: They don't use electronics.
[1793.34] Koel: Yeah. Yeah.
[1794.3] Koel: So my actual my main camera that I use, like a DSLR has a mirrorless camera
[1799.74] Koel: where the sensor is actually floating and, you know, it counteracts.
[1804.1] Koel: That's what you're talking about, right?
[1805.02] Koel: Like like optical image stabilization.
[1807.02] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. And some fancy phones.
[1808.74] Stephen: I think the couple of iPhones have had it tends to be the larger phones
[1812.22] Stephen: where the body is big enough to put the guts of this
[1816.1] Stephen: to move the sensor around in its actuators.
[1819.38] Stephen: Yeah, it's like kind of floating there a little bit, right?
[1821.54] Stephen: Or yeah, that means you've already enclosed
[1824.78] Stephen: all the delicate electronics inside the body of the camera.
[1828.46] Stephen: And the the the weight that you're moving is much smaller.
[1832.22] Stephen: So you don't need big motors either.
[1834.5] Stephen: Kind of seems to be where the world's ended up, I guess.
[1837.66] Curry: Interesting. So yeah, often a bunch of that.
[1841.06] Stephen: Yeah, that's OIS versus EIS.
[1843.66] Stephen: Of course, everyone tries to like downplay OIS
[1847.1] Stephen: because it's really expensive to implement and really complex.
[1850.06] Stephen: It's like building a, you know, clockwork watch.
[1853.1] Stephen: Everyone's really happy to just say that EIS can do everything
[1857.06] Stephen: and you can just solve the problem in software.
[1859.06] Stephen: But the top tier stuff still actually moves the optics around.
[1863.7] Koel: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1864.62] Koel: It is definitely a superior like
[1867.58] Koel: to have a like a floating element or whatever.
[1870.9] Koel: Like that's it is better than electronic, but, you know,
[1874.38] Koel: or a mixture of the two is even better together.
[1876.66] Koel: Right. Like it's yeah.
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[1905.34] Jack: I always remember.
[1907.9] Jack: Oh, what's his name?
[1911.38] Jack: He was he's a man.
[1913.26] Jack: I always remember.
[1915.5] Jack: I always remember.
[1916.9] Jack: No, I don't. Yeah.
[1918.78] Jack: No, I don't.
[1920.14] Jack: But he's he's the guy with like the laser time.
[1924.7] Jack: I use laser time.
[1928.5] Stephen: What? Laser. Yeah.
[1929.9] Stephen: I rocket.
[1931.5] Jack: He's a laser time.
[1935.58] Jack: He's an engineer.
[1937.7] Curry: All right. He's like a three words location.
[1940.26] Curry: Laser time engineer.
[1941.74] Curry: Meet me there.
[1946.1] Stephen: Curry, while Jack is playing his own little memory game,
[1948.86] Stephen: you also messed around some stabilization in the thumb pro
[1952.22] Stephen: and you tried many, many things to get it to work at speed and it beat you.
[1959.06] Curry: I couldn't make it work.
[1960.74] Curry: No, which was a shame because what I found,
[1964.26] Curry: because I put it on a five inch quad because I thought, you know what?
[1967.38] Curry: Lots of people run five inch quads and they'd like pretty cheap cameras,
[1970.98] Curry: which turn out pretty good results without risking smashing up
[1974.78] Curry: GoPro 10 or something like that.
[1976.7] Curry: And I had TPU mounts on it,
[1982.22] Curry: so it was nice and sort of flexible, and I thought that would
[1987.26] Curry: absorb the vibrations.
[1989.46] Curry: But on putting it through, there is a constant like hum.
[1995.1] Curry: You can see it in the jar of noise,
[1997.26] Curry: that there's a constant sort of of this, which won't seem to go away.
[2003.06] Curry: What's this?
[2005.06] Stephen: Laser engraving music.
[2007.62] Jack: Yeah, so he's using a
[2012.38] Jack: he's using a speaker to modulate the.
[2018.14] Jack: And I like his burrito.
[2021.06] Jack: Yeah, so he's using a lens of a laser and these thin.
[2026.98] Jack: This is William Osborne, by the way, and then thin bits of wire
[2030.18] Jack: and then a speaker modulates the wiggle of the laser lens
[2038.02] Jack: to then burn a group, a groove
[2043.78] Jack: into a resin record or a bit of cardboard.
[2048.78] Jack: I think he went with in the end.
[2052.26] Jack: But yeah, that's what kind of reminds me of sort of like manual moving of the.
[2057.26] Curry: We were always like, I could remember what the original context of that.
[2061.62] Koel: Yeah, I mean, either.
[2063.42] Curry: I'm like, wait, what are we talking about here?
[2066.06] Curry: We're talking about floating lenses.
[2067.98] Curry: This is this is what triggered Jack's memory.
[2072.34] Curry: Oh, yeah, same memory in the very loosest sense of the word.
[2076.74] Stephen: I saw this bloke once.
[2079.3] Stephen: It's similar to lasers and records, except without the lasers or the records.
[2084.34] Stephen: But something was moving.
[2087.9] Curry: Yes, so Run Camp Fun Pro.
[2090.94] Curry: What I found out is there was a sort of constant vibration from the quad,
[2096.14] Curry: which meant Jaroflow, he's off in a stroke, couldn't do much with it,
[2099.98] Curry: which was annoying because in the video I stabilized, there was segments
[2104.26] Curry: of like when it's pretty smooth and then you'd go into turn.
[2108.54] Curry: And then when it does do the wobble, it's ever so more obvious
[2112.78] Curry: because it's like smooth wobble, smooth wobble like that.
[2116.62] Curry: So the the plan, well, first off, I'm releasing that video
[2121.62] Curry: tomorrow so people can see and people keep writing the comments
[2125.3] Curry: about how good their experience is with Jaroflow.
[2127.82] Curry: And it makes me think, well, I'm doing it wrong.
[2130.1] Curry: So I'm offering links to my raw footage and the Jarof data.
[2134.98] Curry: And I was like, have a go.
[2136.46] Curry: If you can do better, let me know.
[2138.54] Curry: And I'll share it.
[2139.82] Curry: If you can't do better, let me know.
[2141.7] Curry: And then I know I'm not doing it wrong.
[2143.7] Curry: So the the other option to do is think about the mount.
[2147.82] Curry: Is the mount soft enough?
[2149.5] Curry: But what we can't we can't I say we can't.
[2152.86] Stephen: I don't you've got a camera on a stick almost though, haven't you?
[2155.5] Stephen: It's like a really tall mount.
[2156.78] Stephen: The cameras and kind of the cameras at the end.
[2160.34] Curry: But what we can't do is is design something so elaborate
[2164.98] Curry: that we come up with this really delicate like, oh, careful,
[2168.34] Curry: because it floats on these little, you know, unicorn snot just there.
[2173.46] Curry: And if you leave it, that's wrong.
[2175.22] Curry: So so we need something that's reasonable.
[2177.06] Curry: Now, I took on on board what you said last week, Stephen, about you thought
[2180.94] Curry: it might be the sort of the elbow joint causing it, but it's got more more movement there.
[2185.98] Curry: And if if I can shorten that down and make it a one piece, then that might be something.
[2190.22] Curry: So I have to try and whip that up in my fusion 360 skills to see what I can do.
[2196.78] Curry: The other option I was I was doing a little update video today
[2200.62] Curry: for Patreon is perhaps going back 10 years in time.
[2205.06] Curry: Who remembers the little rubber grommets we used to put under the little pad
[2209.1] Curry: or a moebius sound, but before you were born, Carl.
[2213.22] Curry: And that that's the sort of thing we used to use before there was any stabilization,
[2217.54] Curry: before there was any JARO flow to to get those rubber grommets to absorb the noise.
[2222.26] Stephen: To convince yourself that you are somehow improving the camera picture
[2225.46] Stephen: because you'd spent four hours breaking up the camera lamp.
[2228.66] Curry: The problem could be that squishy, squishy.
[2232.86] Curry: That they are squishy.
[2234.14] Curry: But how squishy do they need to be before the squishiness ends up moving the camera
[2240.98] Curry: too much and then creating that that vibration?
[2244.58] Curry: This is this is it.
[2245.94] Curry: If we can get it down to,
[2248.82] Curry: you know, if we're if we're pushing hard through the the wind and it's,
[2255.06] Curry: you know, the grommets, for example, bend back,
[2257.74] Curry: but they don't vibrate, that would be fine because we'd be able to do something with it.
[2261.14] Curry: If we just end up with the same.
[2262.98] Curry: It's vibrating because the grommets are quite soft.
[2265.5] Curry: Then we're back on the same problem.
[2267.74] Curry: This is something that possibly needs a little bit of experimentation.
[2271.7] Curry: Well, what happens is always annoying.
[2274.18] Curry: And the same thing looks absolutely perfect.
[2279.74] Curry: But I like with a GoPro seven.
[2282.86] Curry: There's obviously more weight behind a GoPro,
[2285.38] Curry: so there's no possibility of it.
[2288.58] Curry: I mean, there's just it's not going to get deflected by the area.
[2291.3] Curry: It's not it's not flapping around, is it?
[2293.78] Curry: Right. Like a lighter camera would.
[2295.94] Curry: So it's obviously got hypersmooth on as well.
[2299.86] Curry: But, you know, hypersmooth isn't quite the magic bullet.
[2302.86] Curry: It would be if there were proper vibrations going up there, but there's not.
[2306.9] Curry: So it's tricky.
[2309.22] Koel: Have you tried the I don't know if it's possible with that run cam,
[2312.14] Koel: but have you tried like a foam wedge option?
[2316.38] Curry: Uh, no, because of the slight difficulty, it's a weird shape I've got at the moment.
[2323.38] Stephen: Where is it? It's it's like a lozenge shape, Cole.
[2326.54] Koel: It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's kind of rounded, right?
[2330.38] Stephen: But that cadet peanut.
[2332.5] Koel: Yeah, I just I wonder if you could like burrow out a little hole in the in the.
[2338.02] Stephen: What it means is like a one piece mount that holds it nice and close to you.
[2342.34] Stephen: See, that's really high.
[2343.34] Curry: That's what we're looking at at the moment, because we had to do nothing.
[2345.94] Curry: Go Pro style mount for it that we then mounted into.
[2349.66] Curry: So there's possibly too much movement there.
[2352.1] Curry: So we can replace this thing with a shorter one piece.
[2357.62] Curry: And I hope that's not as much movement.
[2359.86] Curry: But it's kind of it's a difficult shape to sort of think about the foam wedge for.
[2365.5] Curry: Yeah, it's possible.
[2366.74] Curry: But it's kind of like it's a bit dooblyky.
[2369.54] Stephen: And did they did they really design them for quads?
[2372.42] Stephen: Because it's like a stick with the camera on one end of the stick.
[2376.06] Stephen: And it's just it's hard to center on a quad.
[2379.3] Stephen: It'd be easier if the lens was just centered.
[2382.94] Stephen: And yeah, there was some sort of attachment on it.
[2386.7] Stephen: That shape, that lozenge shape really doesn't offer any attachment.
[2390.1] Stephen: You have to create a sleeve and post it into the sleeve.
[2394.14] Stephen: Because there's no way to to lock it in place otherwise.
[2398.7] Curry: And he's saying that looks too stiff. It's.
[2402.42] Curry: Pretty flexible.
[2403.58] Curry: So it was working in a half inch or something or three.
[2406.86] Curry: It probably moves too much on a two and a half inch.
[2409.26] Curry: It's fine. I have the feeling that if I put it on equivalent three inch to like,
[2414.14] Curry: you know, a proper like fast three inch, I think you'd have the same problem.
[2419.18] Curry: Well, Jack is holding up an all in one printed session mount.
[2423.98] Curry: Session mount. Thanks. Yeah.
[2427.14] Jack: I cleaned it up. It looks pretty good now.
[2430.26] Jack: It doesn't look as.
[2432.38] Jack: I mean, if you look at it. Yeah, it looks good.
[2434.42] Koel: Yeah, it doesn't look stringy or anything.
[2435.98] Stephen: It looks better than the ones I sent Cole.
[2438.06] Stephen: Apologies, Cole.
[2441.14] Koel: Yeah, it's all it's not how it looks, I guess.
[2444.34] Koel: It's how it works. But sometimes I'm like, oh, OK.
[2448.82] Koel: I got this one three print amount from a guy before.
[2450.62] Koel: And the whole thing was like it had just like hard pieces on the inside.
[2455.98] Koel: Whatever extruding.
[2457.26] Koel: So when I tried to put a GoPro GoPro in it,
[2459.38] Koel: it was just like scratching it up like crazy.
[2461.9] Koel: So I was like, OK, I'm not using that.
[2463.94] Koel: But I mean, if it looks like how it looks, yeah.
[2470.7] Stephen: We will see. Yeah, I tried to print a couple of mounts for Cole.
[2473.74] Stephen: I don't often print camera mounts, mainly just antenna stuff.
[2476.82] Stephen: So I had to tweak the supports quite a bit to actually get the thing printing
[2482.26] Stephen: and be able to remove the supports.
[2484.86] Stephen: I was playing around with tree supports and I thought this is going to be great.
[2488.42] Stephen: There's going to be perfect support.
[2490.78] Stephen: And, you know, I won't have any kind of little dangly bits.
[2494.58] Stephen: They'll all just be a nice flat plane at the top.
[2497.02] Stephen: But then I couldn't remove the support because it's just so tightly fixed on.
[2501.86] Stephen: I had to go back to traditional support.
[2504.5] Koel: Yeah, you know, that's what I heard or what it seems like.
[2509.62] Koel: 3D printing can be very, very trying and very time consuming
[2516.94] Koel: and just to get it to work properly or to get it the desired outcome.
[2520.58] Koel: It's it seems like a whole rabbit hole in itself that I'm afraid of.
[2525.66] Jack: Anyone who has kind of like figured it out, like holds the settings
[2530.86] Jack: like a closely guarded secret.
[2533.66] Koel: Yeah, yeah.
[2534.7] Koel: That's what it seems like.
[2535.42] Koel: It's like once you get it, then you're good.
[2537.82] Koel: But that's only if you're doing a certain type of print
[2540.5] Koel: because I'm sure you have to tweak settings for different types of prints.
[2543.02] Koel: Just like you were saying, right, Stephen?
[2544.26] Stephen: Different printer. Yeah. Yeah.
[2547.3] Stephen: You've got to people say, oh, yeah, this filament prints perfectly at 215 degrees
[2553.74] Stephen: and then you'll do it on your printer at 215 and think this is garbage.
[2558.18] Stephen: What's going on?
[2559.54] Stephen: And turns out that your printer needs to run it at like 225.
[2563.7] Stephen: And you there's no way of finding out.
[2565.54] Stephen: You just got to trial and error it.
[2567.74] Stephen: And when you print, you've got to make sure the filaments dry
[2571.1] Stephen: or you end up with moisture in the filament, causing the filament to swell and jam.
[2576.02] Stephen: And sometimes create these funny little bubbles and you get like closures
[2580.46] Stephen: and things where it's puffed out because there's steam coming out of the filaments.
[2584.34] Stephen: And yeah, it was quite stressful printing this summer
[2587.86] Stephen: because I had to keep drying the filament again and again and again.
[2591.7] Stephen: Just absorb moisture like crazy and then jam.
[2595.74] Stephen: Yeah. Oh, yeah, filament changes over time.
[2599.7] Koel: Yeah, yeah, see, I have enough, you know, headaches
[2603.46] Koel: just trying to tinker with the quad stuff.
[2604.94] Koel: I couldn't even imagine that.
[2606.54] Stephen: Well, it's just like camera stuff, isn't it?
[2608.9] Stephen: It's the same sort of deal.
[2610.34] Stephen: It's its whole little world.
[2612.58] Jack: Yeah, I mean, yeah, be fine.
[2616.3] Jack: You just got to you just got to sit and then as soon as you cracked
[2621.54] Jack: the back of it and you feel like you're getting somewhere,
[2624.86] Jack: you start feeling better about it. Yeah.
[2628.7] Curry: Oh, nice. And we just had the question flag up there
[2631.58] Curry: about what's the easiest 3D design software?
[2633.86] Curry: And a couple of people said Tinkercad.
[2636.46] Curry: Yeah, not 3D.
[2638.9] Curry: I had I had this little piss take thing
[2641.82] Curry: where I designed this rectangle in Fusion 360.
[2645.82] Curry: I said, look at my skills here.
[2647.42] Curry: And then someone thought I was being serious
[2649.3] Curry: and recommend this this tutorial. I actually watched it.
[2653.22] Curry: And I have to say, it sort of I realized
[2656.38] Curry: I was doing certain things wrong in Fusion.
[2658.66] Curry: And after watching that, it's like, oh, this is actually pretty good now.
[2662.06] Curry: So I'd have to say if you write, watch the right tutorials,
[2665.7] Curry: especially if you need to go back and tinker with things.
[2668.78] Curry: Fusion 360 is pretty good because the way you can just go back in time
[2673.22] Curry: and change one of the components earlier without having to change
[2675.86] Curry: everything else, it just wraps its itself around.
[2679.38] Curry: Your changes is pretty impressive. I like that.
[2683.86] Jack: Yeah, but aren't they being mean now with like the free subscription and everything?
[2689.3] Curry: They it looks like they're being mean, but there's always certain work around.
[2692.22] Curry: So you don't have to pay anything still.
[2694.3] Curry: But there's there's a limit on like cloud saving.
[2696.5] Curry: But you can if you find the right thing saved locally, like for ages,
[2700.54] Curry: I was having to do I wanted to save as STL and had to go to cloud and come back again.
[2705.3] Curry: But then I found out there's a direct button that says print 3D
[2708.66] Curry: and then you can print 3D to a file and you get like a local STL file
[2712.14] Curry: without having to mess around and stuff.
[2714.42] Curry: So that they do seem more problematic than they used to be.
[2718.34] Curry: But it's still free if you're like hobbyist and not doing commercial stuff.
[2722.78] Curry: And it is it's pretty powerful stuff.
[2724.58] Curry: I'm barely scratching the surface.
[2726.38] Curry: But the fact is, I managed to do some designs recently.
[2730.66] Curry: This this was my attempt at a a tripod mount for carrying my open HD stuff.
[2736.26] Curry: This is TPU screwed into PLA so I could jam the stuff in.
[2740.14] Curry: It hasn't worked particularly well. It needs redesigning.
[2742.34] Curry: But I did that bit.
[2744.34] Curry: And what it allowed me to do was the bottom there.
[2748.94] Koel: I sort of a body body.
[2752.7] Koel: We had a quarter twenty thread on the bottom.
[2755.3] Curry: It's whatever a tripod one is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[2758.3] Curry: But but using using the basic thing that I could go back and do,
[2761.34] Curry: it allowed me to prototype the whole so then I could make sure that was right.
[2766.06] Curry: And then I could change my parameters back on this to make it big again
[2769.54] Curry: and then print it out and stuff, which is all quite good.
[2772.9] Curry: I liked it. It's worth it's worth messing about with.
[2777.42] Curry: But you do have to invest a little bit of time and watch the right tutorials.
[2780.82] Curry: Also, it's a it's a complete mind screw.
[2783.9] Curry: If if if you just like, I'll just try using what's going on.
[2790.29] Koel: Yeah, it sounds like a lot of things.
[2791.41] Koel: And, you know, to do with anything FPV related, it's like.
[2796.85] Stephen: Yeah. Well, it's either that or the DJI route and get someone else to do it for you.
[2801.37] Curry: Yeah, I have to say I finally understood what it's like for new people coming in.
[2806.69] Curry: And you know, when I ask a question, you say, well, it's be a flight.
[2809.69] Curry: It happened to me.
[2811.29] Curry: And if you guys watch the little video I did about me trying heli flying,
[2816.81] Curry: literally, I got the heli and then I was like, right, what did these buttons do?
[2821.17] Curry: And I read the manual.
[2821.97] Curry: And of course, the manual doesn't teach you how to fly heli, does it?
[2824.89] Curry: So I don't understand the buttons.
[2827.05] Curry: I'm like, what's going to happen?
[2829.13] Curry: So I had to I had to ping engine and what's this button do?
[2832.49] Curry: I don't understand.
[2833.65] Stephen: I really liked your explanation of that, by the way.
[2835.81] Stephen: I'd always get a little bit baffled by some of it.
[2838.37] Curry: It was it was really, really helpful.
[2840.69] Curry: But if if you don't know anybody and you're sort of writing comments into YouTube
[2844.65] Curry: and the YouTube guy just beat a flight, say, you know, what's wrong with these people?
[2849.61] Curry: I apologize if I've done that before.
[2851.61] Curry: I understand the newbiness of coming into something
[2855.21] Curry: and not knowing what the hell is going on,
[2857.45] Curry: even if it feels similar to something you've done before, it's different.
[2861.57] Curry: And so everybody else coming into stuff like Express RS fresh
[2865.81] Curry: is is going to be like confused and that's OK and everything else.
[2870.89] Jack: You literally have to get into the mind
[2874.37] Jack: of the person who developed or invented it.
[2878.01] Jack: You know, you have to.
[2880.17] Jack: And once you've been in the minds of a few different people,
[2884.97] Jack: like it slowly gets easier, but like
[2890.61] Jack: OpenTX, man, the mind of a programmer is greater than X
[2896.45] Jack: and then logic switch to
[2901.05] Jack: I'm just like, no.
[2903.53] Curry: It's weird because every one of us that has like done a bit of programming
[2907.81] Curry: is like, oh, this is perfect.
[2909.17] Curry: This is so easy.
[2910.09] Curry: And like every everybody else that is like, oh, you use this wizard to set up this.
[2913.73] Curry: I was like, well, what I don't what if I want to use this switch to do that?
[2917.41] Curry: And what if I want to use like logical functions
[2921.37] Curry: that go into each other and rely on each other and stuff?
[2924.33] Curry: This is fantastic.
[2925.73] Curry: But yeah, I can I can see why if you haven't been in that mindset,
[2931.49] Curry: the logical switch stuff is and the functions are really,
[2934.77] Curry: really hard to wrap your head around.
[2936.85] Stephen: Like when OpenTX announced that you could store the configuration as a YAML file,
[2941.61] Stephen: I was like, oh, that's so much better than having to use that little
[2944.61] Stephen: companion. Oh, my word, so excited about it, so happy about it.
[2948.69] Stephen: And I talked to some people and they're like, this sounds horrific.
[2951.93] Stephen: What? Well, why?
[2953.05] Stephen: It could just it can just like copy bits of text around
[2956.09] Stephen: and not have to press all these buttons and that.
[2958.29] Stephen: But how will I know what they do?
[2959.81] Stephen: Well, it's written down in the text.
[2963.49] Jack: You can read it.
[2964.89] Jack: It's like people who are just G code.
[2967.97] Jack: I'm like, they are the matrix.
[2970.69] Jack: You know, they just they're in there.
[2973.77] Jack: They, you know, they could find the knobbly bit that they want to adjust.
[2979.89] Jack: And I'm just like, man, rather you than me.
[2985.17] Jack: And the hardest part is learning the vocabulary, you know, like
[2990.49] Jack: I remember when I first joined the hobby, like why are we using S
[2995.09] Jack: instead of C for cell and stuff like that? And
[2999.33] Curry: oh, I've never thought about that one.
[3003.05] Curry: Did you find out the answer?
[3005.33] Curry: Why is it S?
[3006.25] Jack: We already used it C for C rating,
[3010.29] Jack: you know, for the current week and draw.
[3012.53] Stephen: So we used to use S because it sounds a bit like C.
[3015.45] Stephen: Three series for parallel.
[3018.37] Stephen: Yeah. Nice.
[3020.57] Stephen: That's helpful. That's what I always thought it was.
[3022.61] Stephen: S is for series, isn't it?
[3024.61] Stephen: No, no. It's just because the other less was already taken.
[3028.25] Stephen: They wanted to use another letter entirely.
[3030.57] Koel: Oh, like, oh, yeah, yeah.
[3032.49] Jack: Yeah. The only time that kind of works out is two pack, two pack S.
[3040.17] Jack: You know, three. Yeah. Whatever.
[3042.97] Stephen: Yeah. So if you've got six cells and you've got three in series,
[3046.05] Stephen: two parallel, it's three S, two P.
[3051.69] Jack: Yeah. Yeah. One S.
[3054.69] Jack: Yeah. One cell.
[3056.93] Jack: Yeah. It doesn't work
[3059.37] Jack: because, you know, one in series with itself.
[3062.37] Jack: Yeah. And he put it out and he gets the sausage.
[3068.53] Curry: He should come on the show.
[3069.69] Curry: He knows his stuff.
[3071.05] Jack: Yeah. What a useful chap.
[3073.09] Jack: I know. It makes it sound like your argument makes it sound like
[3078.25] Jack: we did it on purpose, but it really falls down on that one S.
[3083.33] Stephen: Yeah, it looked like too much of a coincidence.
[3086.05] Stephen: I thought, oh, that must be exactly why they're doing it.
[3088.05] Stephen: But no, I don't know.
[3089.33] Jack: I thought it was for you to pay.
[3094.25] Jack: Richard Warwick explain.
[3097.49] Jack: Too much science, not enough stick time.
[3100.41] Jack: Maybe not enough.
[3102.45] Jack: Me jerking that transmit net off.
[3107.77] Koel: Is it a transmitter, though?
[3109.61] Koel: Or is it a motion controller?
[3112.01] Jack: It transmits the motion off the drive.
[3116.09] Koel: It's a motion transmitter.
[3119.77] Koel: Can you catch something bad from it?
[3123.25] Curry: Well, try it on, I'm sure it'll matter.
[3125.61] Curry: I'd more be worried about the motion transmitter with Jack twiddling around like that.
[3131.81] Jack: Yeah.
[3133.73] Jack: It felt really.
[3136.33] Jack: Has anyone watched the new Top Gun?
[3138.01] Jack: For good reason.
[3139.49] Jack: Yeah, it's a new Top Gun.
[3142.61] Stephen: Yeah, no, this is the one with the 60 year old Tom Cruise kind of limping around.
[3149.97] Stephen: Yeah, waxwork.
[3151.81] Curry: I did play the Top Gun missions in Flight Simulator, if that counts at all.
[3156.73] Curry: Yeah, I guess that sort of counts.
[3158.41] Jack: OK, I mean, mind you, you probably flew the Top Gun NES
[3164.21] Jack: and actually managed to land on the aircraft carrier.
[3168.21] Jack: No spoilers.
[3169.73] Jack: No, I haven't.
[3171.89] Jack: Because I could never do that on the Mega Drive.
[3175.93] Jack: All right. No spoilers.
[3177.29] Jack: I'm the only one I've seen it.
[3178.61] Jack: So. I'll have to lend.
[3183.49] Koel: Can you?
[3183.81] Stephen: I'm not sure you can spoil most most films like this
[3187.13] Stephen: because they're just like rehashes of something from 40 years ago.
[3191.85] Stephen: Yeah.
[3192.65] Koel: Hmm.
[3194.01] Koel: FX nodes asking, can you even buy the DJI pack with the regular controller?
[3198.41] Koel: No, you can't.
[3200.89] Koel: Not at the moment.
[3202.01] Curry: Add on.
[3203.53] Koel: Yeah, and it's weird, though.
[3205.05] Koel: Yeah, you can you can get it, but it's not a 250 bucks or maybe 249 pounds.
[3210.65] Koel: I don't know what it is for you guys, but.
[3213.25] Koel: Yeah, it's it is a bit odd that you can only get it with a motion controller.
[3218.97] Koel: Yeah.
[3220.57] Jack: Zero, the best mod.
[3222.33] Jack: By the way, if you got the someone liked your comment on Final Glide, it was me.
[3230.25] Jack: Zero says gone from Heli to quads.
[3233.41] Jack: They aren't that different to fly.
[3235.01] Jack: A quad in Acro is controlled like a FP Heli.
[3240.33] Jack: You can compare a CP Heli to a quad set up for 3D mode.
[3249.01] Curry: Yeah, which nobody does.
[3251.29] Curry: What is it for?
[3253.49] Curry: Fix pitch.
[3255.01] Curry: Fix pitch.
[3255.65] Curry: Yeah, that would be fine.
[3257.61] Curry: So the biggest problem I had in collective pitch heli is the fact that your 50 percent is your
[3264.97] Stephen: you will stay in hover.
[3266.53] Stephen: And didn't no one ever tinker around with 3D quads just to see what happened.
[3270.93] Stephen: Yeah, I tried it, but I did it in FPV.
[3273.17] Curry: So it's not it's not that hard.
[3275.09] Curry: I went for a while, but I still had that immediate reaction is like it's gone wrong.
[3280.41] Curry: I'm dropping the throttle.
[3281.29] Curry: And then you hear this horrendous followed by bushes breaking behind you somewhere.
[3285.93] Curry: And the quad's gone in.
[3288.65] Jack: It sounds I wanted to do it.
[3291.29] Jack: I've got some props to do it, but it does scare the living down me.
[3298.29] Jack: Zero, what does it what are you guys?
[3302.09] Jack: Does anyone know?
[3303.13] Jack: Why is it called collective?
[3305.25] Jack: I just said curiosity.
[3306.45] Jack: I've never looked it up and I don't know.
[3309.09] Stephen: It's a good point.
[3310.41] Stephen: Does that words not used in conjunction with anything else to imply that it varies, is it?
[3316.25] Stephen: It's my knowledge.
[3317.25] Koel: I don't know.
[3318.25] Koel: I don't know.
[3319.25] Koel: The collective pitch control is located on the left side of the door.
[3323.25] Koel: The collective is.
[3324.25] Koel: Why is it called that?
[3326.25] Stephen: Why is it called collective?
[3327.25] Stephen: Yeah.
[3328.25] Koel: Yeah.
[3329.25] Stephen: Etymology collective.
[3332.25] Koel: Firstly, it does not control the pitch of the helicopter.
[3336.25] Koel: It is named collective because it changes the pitch of the of all the main rotor blades collectively as in the same time or at the same time by the same amount.
[3345.65] Koel: That's why.
[3346.77] Stephen: OK.
[3348.05] Stephen: Because it controls two blades at the same time, so it collectively changes the pitch.
[3352.57] Stephen: Was there an earlier version of this where each blade was controlled with a different stick?
[3358.01] Stephen: And I feel really sorry for those pilots.
[3361.29] Stephen: The man who is pouring water over his action, too, is now now telling us that we should be pouring water over all our cameras, perhaps.
[3370.29] Stephen: It's the way forward.
[3372.29] Stephen: To use icy water in between packs for water cooling.
[3376.29] Stephen: This was a must.
[3377.29] Koel: Yeah, no, I'm I'm I hear you fail safe.
[3382.6] Koel: I feel like it's actually probably a really good camera and people just aren't using it properly.
[3387.6] Stephen: What?
[3388.6] Stephen: Too dry.
[3390.6] Koel: Yeah.
[3392.6] Koel: They need to have liquid.
[3393.6] Koel: They need to have active liquid cooling.
[3396.6] Koel: Yeah, it was weird.
[3399.6] Stephen: Like on a PC.
[3402.6] Jack: Yeah.
[3403.6] Jack: Like you you released your your flight video and people were like.
[3410.6] Jack: You know, it looks amazing.
[3413.6] Jack: I'm like cold can make most cameras look amazing.
[3416.6] Jack: God damn it.
[3417.6] Jack: Oh, yeah, it's man.
[3419.6] Koel: It's not the camera.
[3420.6] Koel: It's how you use it, man.
[3423.6] Koel: How you use it.
[3425.6] Jack: Would you like to use the DJI action camera?
[3430.6] Koel: Play to action controller for Tomb Raider.
[3434.6] Jack: I'm already holding another kind of joystick when I play Tomb Raider.
[3440.6] Jack: I don't know.
[3442.6] Curry: And Andy, I see is saying interestingly about overheats very quickly in standby mode.
[3447.6] Curry: Have you tried rinsing under a tap?
[3448.6] Curry: Andy would be the suggestion.
[3451.6] Curry: Yeah, ice cold water and then fly.
[3453.6] Stephen: It's empirically working for other products in the DJI series.
[3456.6] Stephen: So just do it with the avata.
[3459.6] Koel: Yeah, I think every DJI quad overheats easily just hanging out like my mavic.
[3466.6] Koel: Although it is old when I turn it on, if I don't take off right away and I just have it sort of sitting on the ground.
[3471.6] Koel: The fans will kick in and within like, I don't know, 30 seconds.
[3476.6] Koel: It's like it really it starts to try to cool itself down almost immediately, which is.
[3481.6] Koel: Yeah, I was.
[3483.6] Curry: Sorry.
[3484.6] Curry: So I was flying my mavic mini somewhere.
[3486.6] Curry: It was just outside Death Valley because you had a flight in the park and I was flying it around.
[3491.6] Curry: I noticed suddenly on my phone, I started getting like breakup.
[3497.6] Curry: I was like, oh, this doesn't look good.
[3498.6] Curry: This looks like it's overheating.
[3500.6] Curry: So I landed it and I could I could barely touch it.
[3503.6] Curry: It was that hot because it was like, you know, hundred and something degrees.
[3507.6] Curry: But it literally the breakup on the screen.
[3510.6] Curry: It's like I am melting on the inside.
[3512.6] Curry: It looked that bad.
[3513.6] Curry: That was that was very odd.
[3516.6] Stephen: Unfortunately, all the pressures are kind of let's push the hardware to the absolute limit so we can sell it with a giant hero number.
[3523.6] Stephen: And if consumers have trouble with it, you know, we'll worry about them later.
[3528.6] Jack: We'll dial it back in software.
[3530.6] Stephen: Yeah.
[3532.6] Jack: Have you got have you released the video of that, by the way?
[3538.6] Jack: Have you just gone to get what I think you've just gone to get what me?
[3543.6] Koel: Yeah, I just ran to get my cat because she was making noises.
[3548.6] Jack: No, no, I didn't know.
[3550.6] Koel: None of that is.
[3552.6] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[3553.6] Koel: No.
[3554.6] Koel: If you're referring to what I think you're referring to.
[3556.6] Koel: No.
[3557.6] Jack: Death Valley by name or and nature possibility.
[3562.6] Koel: Oh, oh, oh, that one.
[3564.6] Koel: Oh, that thing.
[3565.6] Koel: I mean, I can do that.
[3566.6] Koel: Yeah, I can do that.
[3567.6] Jack: It's like it went.
[3568.6] Jack: So old coal got attacked by Seagull.
[3572.6] Jack: Yeah.
[3573.6] Koel: Seagull literally kamikaze my quad and caused it to fall out of the sky and
[3580.6] Koel: almost into the water at some type of beach somewhere.
[3584.6] Koel: And but luckily the heat sink with this whole bottom thing is a heat sink.
[3590.6] Koel: It like the rock smash though.
[3592.6] Koel: And this is like this is some type of metal aluminum.
[3595.6] Koel: I don't know what it is, but I'm very surprised that I basically just
[3602.6] Koel: missed destroying my gimbal.
[3604.6] Koel: Like it smashed here and nothing here.
[3606.6] Koel: The drone is completely fine.
[3608.6] Koel: So that was stay clear of dirty seagulls.
[3612.6] Curry: Don't mess with seagulls.
[3614.6] Jack: Right.
[3615.6] Jack: Any views in expressed by any guest on this show of a personal or may not
[3620.6] Jack: reflect the views of others.
[3622.6] Jack: Do not rinse your new DJI products under attack.
[3625.6] Jack: What?
[3626.6] Jack: Why not?
[3627.6] Jack: Here's the hose.
[3628.6] Jack: Yeah.
[3629.6] Jack: Yeah.
[3630.6] Jack: Thank you.
[3631.6] Jack: You've been listening.
[3632.6] Jack: Let's run out.
[3633.6] Jack: Massive shout out to all our Patreons.
[3636.6] Jack: You guys are lovely.
[3638.6] Jack: Thank you to all you guys who jumped into the comments and all you guys
[3643.6] Jack: talking and asking questions and zeros the best mod ever.
[3648.6] Jack: We love you guys.
[3650.6] Jack: Thanks for supporting the show.
[3652.6] Jack: Let's turn out is now aiming to have more drone talk and we're actively
[3657.6] Jack: trying better now.
[3659.6] Jack: And you've been joined by the man with a lovely moustache.
[3664.6] Jack: Stephen.
[3665.6] Jack: Cheers.
[3666.6] Jack: Thanks everyone.
[3667.6] Jack: Everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3669.6] Jack: Goodbye.
[3670.6] Jack: The man who may or may not add one of my photos to the thumbnails.
[3675.6] Jack: Maybe one day.
[3676.6] Jack: Cole.
[3677.6] UNKNOWN: See you.
[3678.6] Jack: That sounded like a really passive aggressive dig.
[3681.6] Jack: But it's me hoping one day I'll be worthy.
[3685.6] Koel: Just say.
[3686.6] Koel: Hey Cole.
[3687.6] Koel: Here's a sweet photo.
[3688.6] Koel: Can you use it as a thumbnail?
[3689.6] Koel: And I'll go.
[3690.6] Jack: Yeah.
[3691.6] Jack: I knew I knew you couldn't anyway because it wasn't in the right position.
[3693.6] Jack: It was.
[3694.6] Koel: Oh, I can make things position how I want.
[3697.6] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[3701.6] Jack: Being your hosts.
[3702.6] Jack: Let's try now.
[3703.6] Jack: Thank you.
[3704.6] Koel: Good night.
[3705.6] Koel: We're lost.