=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 372 ===
Title: LDO 372 - No One Expects The Kitten's Radiator
Recorded: 2022-10-13
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 2,039
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Hsf-mhSp0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1363490374-letsdroneout-ldo-372-no-one-expects-the-kittens-radiator.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to what's drawn out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate
[7.48] Jack: So that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say
[12.56] Jack: Massive. Thank you to call us campus art folk now Sam Dharma on with the show
[23.16] Curry: Hold on I've been called away
[54.63] Curry: We'll start again in a second. Yeah, take take four. Hold on. Yeah, welcome to your weekly fast and drone podcast
[62.19] Stephen: Let's drone out
[64.63] Jack: How how good is your curry kitten impression? I
[73.9] Stephen: Really lack the hair required. I mean if I had a selection of weeks, I could probably go for it
[79.78] Jack: Um, well, I'll give it a go. Hello and you're listening to let's throw now look back
[85.22] Jack: Tonight we are joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten. Hello
[89.5] Jack: and
[91.38] Jack: Everyone's favorite must-have Stephen
[93.98] Jack: Hello, and I'm bright till I fly. Hello and
[98.22] Jack: Welcome to the show
[100.34] Stephen: Here we are another week again. I'm back. Everyone's favorite has returned. That was a
[106.34] Curry: Radiator delivery. I apologize for that
[110.1] Curry: These things happy
[112.14] Stephen: To thank all our patrons without whom such professionalism and adherence to duty would be not possible
[118.46] Jack: Yeah, I know
[120.06] Jack: This is it's so amazing
[122.38] Jack: You're amazing. So are you
[125.06] Jack: Here here's just a few of them to mention them like Chris and
[130.78] Jack: Richard's Alexander mark. Thank you guys Andrew Lawrence
[135.98] Jack: I
[137.14] Stephen: Will try and get to race castle. I said I do it last week and I completely just forgot
[141.42] Jack: I was I was hoping that would be in your news your little adventure
[147.9] Stephen: Yeah, I completely got sidetracked by being sent a board to experiment with and then the board not working
[154.86] Stephen: And me just getting furious at whoops for a couple of days and ending up in a really foul mood
[159.1] Stephen: And then I went and bought some happy model stuff that works much better
[163.38] Stephen: Than an alternate vendor who we shall not name
[166.7] Stephen: And I've since re-created my
[169.94] Stephen: mobular
[171.66] Stephen: Mob light 7 with E LRS and the 400 milliwatt ludicrous VTX
[176.62] Stephen: Which is only using a tiny little bit of bent wire, which is kind of a waste of 400 milliwatt
[182.42] Stephen: But yeah, it flies really nice now and go around the house without fail-saving, which is nice
[187.42] Stephen: I used to get to the bottom the stairs and have to like clench in case I fail-safe
[193.54] Stephen: Yeah, that's a thing of the past now. Thank God. I don't know about you guys
[198.82] Curry: and maybe you're using something HD there Steven that's I used to get a pretty clean video signal in the house and
[207.38] Curry: since covert times and
[209.78] Curry: there just seems to be a lot more interference around so
[213.74] Curry: We can solve the control signal finally by getting rid of the horrible
[217.62] Curry: SBI d8 type receivers and go to ERS, but the video signal to me still seems a bit nasty
[223.26] Stephen: Yeah, this is still an analog guy. This is like a 19 gram. Whoop. So there's no HD on there
[229.42] Stephen: I don't want like 2 minute 40 flight times coming down with burning hot batteries
[236.98] Stephen: Anywhere to go. Yeah, and I need 400 milliwatt. Basically the latest batch of happy model boards
[242.62] Stephen: They've got this one with the rubbish copper antenna
[246.26] Stephen: They've also got the x12, which is they're like primo slightly heavier board
[251.38] Stephen: This one's got plugs that actually sold a woot motors onto the other one, which is like doing surgery on insects
[257.62] Stephen: but but this guy's got a
[260.3] Stephen: 400 milliwatt VTX takes one to 2s
[263.5] Stephen: And supposedly has 12 amp ESCs, although they're like 12 amp with ludicrously long dead time so they don't work that well
[271.26] Stephen: But yeah, it's got a proper dipole on 400 milliwatt, which means in
[275.74] Stephen: Yeah, post covid land with everyone with their nice Wi-Fi boosters. I can actually fly out of this room
[281.98] Stephen: Two meters to the top of the stairs down the stairs and I can make a turn into the living room
[288.42] Stephen: Without losing video signal, which is actually not possible on any transmitter
[294.14] Stephen: That's less than 200 milliwatt. It seems which is just bananas
[298.58] Stephen: There's a lot of RF interference around here, too
[301.38] Curry: Yeah, I used to be able to go out here fly downstairs and the conservatory round the side alley
[308.1] Curry: Where there's a big brick wall and still be okay, but that's that seems to be a thing of the past
[312.98] Curry: but I do have some I
[316.3] Curry: Suppose I was normally using 25, but I do have some like 350 200 milliwatt boots now use them instead. I
[323.5] Stephen: Did find out I'm not getting far on 25 especially with these suboptimal enamel wire antennas
[330.86] Jack: Yeah, they're not the best and I'm a little bit I thought I was more prepared than I was
[337.38] Jack: but I
[338.94] Jack: Have I just want to get I just want to get my video of I went flying the weekend Saturday
[346.86] Jack: Oh
[350.22] Stephen: Where did you go flying this is proper outdoors flying not just one line. Yeah
[357.18] Jack: Was it a hidden valley? Yes, it was
[362.06] Jack: The happy place that I reside in and
[367.82] Jack: I'm just trying to do you learn any new moves while you're loading up the V the DVR any new tricks
[375.3] Jack: No
[376.7] Jack: No, it was very much a sort of like de-rust and I had I had what I can only describe
[385.06] Jack: as a as an incident and
[387.9] Jack: I'm hoping I've got it recording
[392.5] Stephen: Recorded a close call. Did did the participants survive the incident? Did you fly backwards into a hill?
[400.3] Jack: No, it was kind of worse than that. I
[404.98] Curry: Was into a pond you're eating now
[408.42] Jack: No, so there's a there's a big large
[413.5] Jack: Like sheds within Hidden Valley and it looks like it didn't
[420.14] Jack: Here we go. I have I have the flight. So this is this is me at him Valley
[424.78] Jack: I don't know whether it will be a bit of a slideshow that's coming across fine
[429.02] Jack: Actually doing all right fine to me. Well, you're running what like a hundred s battery there 414 volts. That's quite a lot
[436.3] Jack: Yeah, yeah normal. Yeah
[441.18] Jack: You know when to land
[443.94] Jack: When it stands like 50 volts
[446.34] Jack: It's gone up to 14 volts now
[449.46] Jack: That's cool
[451.58] Stephen: Nothing. Have you told it like the RSSI input is the battery input or something?
[457.12] Jack: This is the joy of using kiss and fat tech fat tech stuff just doesn't really seem to
[464.6] Jack: cheap
[465.92] Jack: Well, the sheep I'm I'm being an asshole to the sheep and it it it bites. It bites me on the arse
[474.44] Jack: As you will soon see
[476.64] Jack: So notice how I'm
[478.64] Jack: I
[485.52] Curry: Like the way you like I'm in trouble here what I should do is get my throttle and just
[494.52] Jack: Mode and then
[497.84] Stephen: Into the wall
[501.92] Jack: So
[502.92] Jack: Take it a while to clear up
[505.24] Jack: Yeah, well, yeah, I've got I've got some treats for you
[508.6] Jack: Would you would you like individual photos or what you like sheep mutant that you have created?
[516.72] Jack: Yeah, or would you like?
[519.12] Jack: This is so much so, you know, like you I admit it. I crashed
[524.68] Jack: I didn't fail safe. I crashed as you can see on the video. I entered a big large building of the shed
[530.56] Jack: I crashed and I got tied up with the wall. Now. I'm in the sort of, you know, LDO sort of
[539.32] Jack: You know, I'm hoping that you guys will will will won't spare me and the repage will continue
[547.48] Jack: Would you like?
[549.32] Jack: the gif they've
[552.0] Jack: Magical pencils made a gif of of I don't see how we could ever refuse
[560.56] Jack: Photos, let's let's go go with the evidence of them asking. Okay, like so here is the gift
[574.28] Jack: Yep, so hang on we are going we're gonna go through we're gonna go through the pictures now
[580.84] Jack: So how much will you attach to just one quad?
[585.4] Stephen: it's it's
[588.4] Stephen: The motors but for our audio listeners Jack appears to have roughly half a sheep attached to his quad
[595.04] Curry: Did you check there wasn't like internal organs? You haven't just killed a small sheep
[599.0] Jack: I'm I'm a six-foot dude, right and I mistakenly you could wear that as a wig and I'm being a heavy metal movie
[607.0] Jack: It's it's bigger than my hair, which for anyone who knows what I look like
[611.76] Jack: That's quite a statement and I
[615.12] Jack: Mistakenly went into that shed
[617.72] Jack: Without my glasses as a a curry would know as a FPV wearer, you know, you
[624.08] Jack: You know you go you you've got the goggles on and you have to put your glasses
[628.16] Jack: Then I went to rescue my quad because I thought it's gonna be it's gonna be overheating. It's inside. It's covered in wool
[634.68] Curry: This is like essentially Thelma and Scooby-Doo. I've lost my
[638.58] Curry: It
[640.58] Jack: Literally, all you can see is the GoPro and a battery. I see a battery
[646.7] Curry: Maybe maybe an antenna there. Is that an old fat shark one? So did you shave your quad?
[655.14] Jack: Did you find a shearer an official man it was like some clinkers it was just
[661.58] Stephen: It was I imagine you sitting down in the next pose where your quad
[665.62] Stephen: Sort of tucked between your thighs and you're just going at it with the shears just taking big chunks of wool off it
[672.94] Curry: Did you put it on a spinning wheel and weave yourself a jumper or something?
[680.1] Jack: Yeah, it had I mean it smell like asshole
[684.3] Curry: There's no other way of dealing it does look like it's covered in as well apart from that wall
[690.62] Stephen: It's a string
[693.62] Stephen: Scenarios don't you so you multi-row it's your ideal day out
[697.78] Jack: So you couldn't really pull the wool apart because it was tied up with the rope as well
[703.3] Jack: so it was just literally bending the props out and
[711.1] Jack: Like you know how I've been saying for a while, you know, I haven't
[716.26] Jack: You know, I haven't really sort of like felt right by the way, that's the cute dog. We were with
[723.26] Jack: Little demons little face
[728.3] Jack: So if anyone wants to make a
[731.82] Jack: funny
[732.94] Jack: Meme of that
[734.78] Curry: At least you had a designated driver. That's quite handy. Yeah
[739.06] Jack: So I you know, like I was saying, you know like with the with the FPV
[744.46] Jack: I've been really struggling with anxiety
[746.94] Jack: And I find it really really difficult when I'm prepping to go
[752.1] Jack: You know to get there and fly so as soon as I get to the field
[756.3] Jack: Usually back in the old days. It was really calm because like hey, I'm really excited
[760.58] Jack: You know they get to fly but it's the whole getting a battery out strapping it on
[764.74] Jack: you know getting the goggles and sawing everything out and I
[769.38] Jack: I likened it to
[772.7] Jack: Like you know when you put on a t-shirt and it just
[776.46] Jack: Doesn't fit right and you go out and you make the mistake of going out with that ill-fitting shirt
[785.66] Jack: That's kind of that's kind of how I like
[792.18] Jack: You know kind of felt for the for the longest time
[798.34] Jack: with
[800.7] Jack: With with my flying and I just kind of I couldn't put my finger on it
[805.66] Jack: I just didn't feel right and as you will as you'll see I can
[812.74] Stephen: Maybe now you're what stinks of sheep. Do you feel like you've got that catharsis?
[818.66] Jack: Not yet. I'm gonna show you some more sort of
[822.58] Jack: More crashes so that you guys can like, you know
[828.3] Stephen: Rip you did look like you were kind of really
[832.1] Stephen: Jumping around a bit like you're a little a little bit twitchy like you really wanted to push it in that that yeah
[837.94] Jack: And it just don't see see the clue. I don't I wonder if anyone
[844.98] Jack: sort of
[846.58] Jack: notices like I
[849.46] Jack: Could I could really do with like the sort of like stick overlay and I've got one more
[854.58] Jack: I've got one more view I can imagine
[856.9] Stephen: From those movements that you're you're quite clenched because the movements are pretty exaggerated
[862.7] Curry: It's a bit jagged. It looks like you went over then you over corrected back and then you
[867.46] Curry: It went all a bit down here. You know, I'm flying a spiral of doom
[870.98] Jack: Yeah, it was
[872.78] Jack: let me pause this one one last one for you and
[877.3] Jack: I just wondered if you you know, like I
[881.7] Stephen: Agree with everything you say wasn't you it was the dog all along like it's
[886.58] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, that is
[889.86] Stephen: When you're driving a car at the time you can't do both. Oh not again not again into the shed again. Yeah
[897.54] Jack: Points
[899.14] Stephen: He was on the verge of making it to freedom
[901.54] Stephen: But the shed curse hit him again and he clipped the post on the way out and spun out
[906.66] Curry: it looks a bit like
[909.38] Curry: The the smoothness has gone you're in there and there's a little bit of panic going on
[914.02] Stephen: And you sort of threaten you like you're you're worrying about being uh
[919.54] Stephen: You know accosted while you've got your goggles on or something like there's someone who might prank you
[925.06] Jack: yeah, well anyway, I
[927.86] Jack: I I basically I couldn't put my finger on it and I was starting to sort of like
[933.86] Jack: Doubt my ability
[935.62] Jack: To fly because like a lot of the time i'll fly people and go, you know, or people will watch
[941.7] Jack: Head forbid watch a video of mine go. Oh
[944.26] Jack: He can actually fly
[946.1] Jack: so
[947.06] Jack: He he here is my excuse
[950.58] Jack: and and and maybe the possibility
[953.54] Jack: And I I literally
[955.22] Jack: It's full of wool. It's all full of wool. No
[958.58] Stephen: Can you see you see your your isn't actually work. What the hell is going on there?
[964.26] Stephen: So have you mixed your your and your throttle somehow what's going on there?
[969.22] Jack: No, this is this is a funny enough a um
[974.02] Jack: a problem that i've run into
[976.26] Jack: before
[977.86] Jack: And it's a weird thing. I wasn't getting the full your value and it was intermittently happening
[984.82] Jack: and
[985.78] Jack: That's happened to me before and basically the only thing I can
[990.58] Jack: Say what it is because obviously i've got hall effects
[993.46] Jack: uh
[994.26] Jack: sensor gimbals
[995.94] Jack: And to cut a long story short all I can say is it looked like I had spilt
[1002.32] Jack: barbecue sauce into my trim switch
[1005.54] Jack: So I had to put that through the on the ultrasonic cleaner
[1009.86] Stephen: And then I had like how you could be so specific like it wasn't ketchup
[1015.06] Stephen: It wasn't marmite. It wasn't jam. It was clearly barbecue sauce. Yeah barbecue sauce. This is what it is
[1021.38] Jack: As you can see like i've got the ultrasonic cleaner so I was cleaning the trim switch
[1026.5] Jack: but also
[1027.7] Jack: when I
[1028.74] Jack: Then enhance enhance look I took my gimbal completely apart to find out that, you know, i've got a
[1035.78] Jack: Because you had to do a condiment analysis
[1037.86] Jack: Yeah, and it seems that I have got what I can only describe as black
[1044.82] Jack: goo
[1045.54] Jack: in my
[1046.66] Stephen: Transmitter like gimbal right, but but that's not the sensor right the the hall sensor. That's the magnet
[1053.22] Stephen: That sits up right. Yeah, but you can't like
[1056.02] Stephen: Pour something on a magnet and make it behave differently. Can you?
[1059.62] Jack: I don't know but whatever it was
[1063.54] Jack: Yeah, that that's what that was happening and I just kind of because it was
[1067.62] Jack: Into me intermittent. I was just I thought I was absolutely losing my mind
[1074.18] Jack: And then, you know, I kept crashing in stupid ones
[1078.58] Stephen: And then you know, okay, did you get some crap on the little pcb that goes on top of it where they're absolutely fine
[1085.3] Jack: I replaced the glue the only the only thing was this that sort of like black
[1092.18] Jack: Smooth on the magnet, which I don't see how that would affect it and there was some crap in my um
[1100.18] Jack: You know, I don't even eat barbecue sauce, but whatever went in
[1103.94] Jack: In my transmitter that that was that was the issue and it would only come up now and again, but yeah now
[1112.82] Curry: Did you try tasting it to establish what sort of sauce it was
[1116.74] Jack: I didn't really
[1118.9] Jack: Yeah, I didn't really sort of like get to that stage
[1122.18] Jack: but uh, whatever it was it was uh brown and
[1126.74] Jack: gunky
[1128.18] Jack: and just
[1129.78] Stephen: Yeah, I think just in general you don't want corrosive liquids inside radios just as a rule of thumb
[1136.5] Curry: Yeah, I wouldn't normally ask this but given it was you jack. Is there any possibility? It was just poo that got in there somehow
[1143.78] Jack: That is the only next thing that I could have thought of
[1147.54] Jack: But the the thing is that led me all I had to do was like compare the sniff of my quad now
[1154.1] Jack: To the sniff of the gimbal and it wasn't it didn't have that cheap shit
[1158.58] Jack: That is reassuring
[1161.06] Jack: and
[1162.1] Jack: You know usually although I am known to excrete everywhere
[1168.42] Stephen: Maybe maybe I defecated one time you're in the bushes reaching for a leaf and you you've got your tyrannis
[1176.5] Jack: I mean that is a sound bite there tone. That's one for you. I may have defecated into my transmitter
[1184.26] Jack: What's around sticky jack's transmitter?
[1188.5] Jack: The the lick test so all right, so
[1193.46] Stephen: The fix for this
[1194.98] Stephen: you know the the nuclear option instead of
[1197.78] Stephen: Tearing it all down and polishing it up is just to get a new gimbal. Are you able to just get a new gimbal?
[1205.86] Jack: I took it all apart. I cleaned it. I've put it back together
[1210.74] Jack: It's done. It's over now. Okay. Okay. Well done
[1214.58] Curry: I have a serious question
[1216.66] Curry: That has come up because of this and this this goes to you guys and everyone in the chat because i'm interested to know
[1222.5] Curry: Now what you did there when you crashed?
[1224.98] Curry: Um in the shed is you went into turtle mode to try and get out of trouble
[1229.62] Curry: I want to know from you guys if turtle mode is something you generally use because although it's
[1234.82] Curry: Super useful. I find like around the house when doing whoops and stuff outside
[1239.78] Curry: I've got my quad back only to find that
[1242.58] Curry: Ah
[1243.38] Curry: Where's my gopro or where's my antenna or where's something because it's come off and if if it's down and you just go find it
[1250.42] Curry: Then you know, it's pretty obvious that the bits that fell off are going to be quite around there. So i'm very very nervous
[1256.02] Stephen: I'm, I'm, worried about have I have I lost a prop have I bent a prop out of shape?
[1261.3] Stephen: Have I got a loose arm?
[1263.46] Stephen: Am I going to end up coming back with really hot motors and thrashing them not realizing so rather than just trying to
[1270.26] Stephen: Use turtle mode and limp back. I I usually just turn on the beeper make the walk of shame and I only use it for whoops
[1277.86] Stephen: I fly in the woods a lot
[1279.3] Stephen: So even if i'm flying a five inch or even a seven inch, right?
[1283.46] Stephen: If I come down in a bunch of brambles
[1286.66] Stephen: That motor is still going to be jammed
[1290.5] Stephen: Right, and I don't want to burn the motor out
[1292.66] Stephen: And even if i'm flying in if I fly in a park and i'm flying like 1104s or something like that
[1298.26] Stephen: Grass is enough that they could just jam up the motor. So yeah turtle mode for me. Isn't that useful outside of whoops?
[1305.62] Jack: only
[1306.9] Jack: Very rarely use turtle mode. I use turtle mode in that case because I did not want to go in there
[1313.94] Jack: In that shed
[1315.46] Jack: But I had to go only if making it a hundred times worse is brilliant. Yeah. Yeah, I had to go in there
[1321.3] Jack: I made it worse
[1322.9] Jack: and I had to
[1325.22] Jack: Not only did it make my quad harder to find
[1328.74] Jack: Because it wrapped itself in wool and the whole floor was covered in wool. So it just blended in more
[1335.3] Jack: And how did you clean the quad afterwards? Did you just cut the whole thing in iso? I just
[1340.58] Jack: Burn it. I don't I just
[1343.94] Jack: It's in a plastic bag hanging outside
[1346.66] Jack: I'll be honest you I took it apart
[1349.14] Jack: And I removed everything metal electronics and then I sprayed it with
[1354.66] Jack: Multi-purpose flash cleaner and scrubbed it
[1358.02] Jack: um, I I done that so
[1361.62] Jack: hard the um
[1364.1] Jack: The the the dink on the thing. I actually broke my top plate
[1368.82] Jack: That this this corner has been
[1371.86] Jack: glued glued back on
[1374.58] Jack: um
[1376.26] Jack: No, yeah, it's uh, no from like probably hitting the wall
[1380.5] Jack: but yeah, it
[1382.5] Jack: And and and the other thing is is that because I don't have a dedicated beeper and i'm using the motors because no room in that
[1389.38] Jack: BAM frame anymore
[1391.22] Jack: It muddled the motors because they're
[1394.42] Jack: Rubbed up with wool. So if it wasn't for the like little blinky flashy led lights lighting up the wall and the wall
[1402.82] Jack: Kind of you know using the sort of fiber optic
[1407.28] Jack: Qualities of the wall. I would have never found it in that dark
[1412.18] Jack: awful smelling
[1414.74] Stephen: Hell can we go back to your esc voltage?
[1418.58] Stephen: issues as well
[1420.18] Jack: Well, that's that's that's fat tech that that is
[1424.42] Stephen: Is that because you're getting voltage from the esc sensor and it's just crap because normally the fc has the brilliant sea of kiss
[1432.74] Curry: Which a you have to buy those
[1435.3] Curry: It doesn't even fly like that. All right fat tech this whatever and it doesn't even tell you that
[1440.58] Curry: So when do you know how to land? Do you just have to like oh, it's it's run out of power now
[1446.5] Curry: I'll crash it. Not all your life goes every time
[1449.54] Jack: I just kind of
[1453.06] Stephen: And also if you're not like you fix everything and seem to have this kind of must-fix mentality about electronics if you're not like
[1460.26] Stephen: surely
[1461.38] Stephen: I can't believe all kiss users fly like that
[1463.46] Curry: Surely that's just impossible that was that would get in my wick if I had a funny a funny display of doing
[1469.94] Jack: All right, okay. All right, so I
[1473.62] Jack: Basically, you know the whole must-fix
[1477.22] Jack: That's what yes, you're right steven. I have the must-fix and the thing that's been
[1484.02] Jack: The the thing that i've been battling with is i've i've been doing some low
[1489.46] Jack: some board repair on
[1491.94] Jack: my
[1493.06] Jack: This this is my uh kiss ultra
[1496.34] Jack: um
[1497.46] Jack: You know by uh, the federal something that's not like the others there
[1501.94] Jack: Yeah, and i've i've i've had to jump a wire and i've only just
[1506.98] Jack: fixed it
[1508.42] Jack: so, um
[1510.1] Jack: the reason
[1511.78] Jack: I haven't really sort of done
[1513.78] Jack: Anything with the fat tech thing is because I don't know about the updates. I haven't looked at the updates
[1519.46] Jack: I mean I haven't
[1521.3] Jack: And regards to knowing when my battery's done. I haven't been able to like kind of stay in the air long enough
[1527.86] Jack: and
[1528.66] Jack: You know because now and again all of a sudden my yore doesn't work and I just couldn't figure out like
[1535.3] Jack: What it was and I was so relieved
[1538.34] Jack: Like an epic like no nut november. I've just made it to the end
[1543.54] Jack: I was like i'm not insane. There was actually something wrong. I just couldn't figure it out
[1549.46] Jack: and
[1550.42] Jack: With the help from alexander. I've now fixed my kiss ultra
[1556.18] Jack: so i've
[1557.86] Jack: fixed this
[1559.7] Jack: uh, which is a
[1561.7] Jack: um
[1562.74] Jack: something or other
[1564.34] Jack: And uh, yeah, i'm not sure the f7 one
[1567.7] Jack: or the g4
[1569.38] Jack: Or the h7 one. It's not the g4. That's
[1573.3] Jack: Um, I don't know what chip it is. Hang on
[1577.06] Stephen: It is we've done a whole thing about it's an mpu 6000. I can see on there, but yeah
[1583.22] Stephen: STM 32 h7
[1586.82] Stephen: The h7 fancy one. Well, I can see where you want to fix it then
[1590.42] Jack: yeah, and it's a
[1592.1] Jack: ball grid array and basically
[1594.98] Jack: the effect tech thing I like
[1597.54] Jack: Every time I plug it in everyone's like what the hell's that because it sounds like some sort of dalek having
[1603.62] Jack: weird dumpster sex
[1606.42] Jack: and
[1608.66] Jack: Um, like it just reads off
[1611.14] Jack: Um, it really sort of messed up crazy numbers
[1616.9] Jack: For the the voltage it did work for a while
[1620.66] Jack: And then I kind of done a few punch outs and then it sort of like read 9000 here and there and there's never
[1628.74] Jack: Mr. Federer
[1630.1] Stephen: If you are listening, please please make some of your child this this poor poor child and help
[1636.18] Stephen: Through this troubling phase i've
[1637.94] Jack: I've done it to myself because i'm using fact tech, you know, it's you know, um a beta flight board at all
[1645.94] Stephen: Feel it. I don't know. I've got 30 beta flight boards and i've had something like this on one
[1652.42] Stephen: One of those and I fixed it by just reading the voltage off the esc telemetry instead
[1658.26] Stephen: Which worked fine
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[1684.74] Frank: Let's drone out
[1686.74] Jack: Can you give us some beta flight news because you were mentioning oh, yeah
[1690.18] Stephen: No, worries. No stuff coming out this time shock horror shock horror after the massive protracted soap opera
[1697.22] Stephen: That was the beta flight 4.3 release which
[1700.58] Stephen: looked like some kind of
[1703.14] Stephen: Odysseus length voyage of of testing and retesting an infinite number of release candidates
[1710.02] Stephen: What's your reference like it? Yeah emphatic
[1713.4] Stephen: emphatic that they wanted to set a cadence and stick to it and the result of this is that
[1721.32] Stephen: Ready or not?
[1722.84] Stephen: Come the start of november
[1725.08] Stephen: There will be a feature freeze and if a a feature hasn't appeared by then it ain't going to get tested and they ain't going to
[1731.72] Stephen: Let it in
[1733.32] Stephen: Bug fixes will be allowed in but the features will be frozen and the aim is to try and drop beta flight
[1739.32] Stephen: Maybe late this year if not exceedingly early next year
[1743.16] Stephen: And we've got some pretty wacky little features that that are coming in. There's going to be some massive gps return home improvements
[1750.28] Stephen: It's going to be sampling the gps at a faster rate
[1753.56] Stephen: The algorithm is completely rewritten the arming and disarming algorithms completely rewritten
[1758.52] Stephen: There's more intelligence to sense whether it's hitting the ground or not once it's returned home
[1763.32] Stephen: So it won't turn into a bouncing flying death blender as it had done previously
[1767.8] Stephen: It won't return to you like a guided missile because you can tune the pits for a gps return home
[1773.72] Stephen: And if you have a barometer
[1775.32] Stephen: It will now descend sedately because it was discovered that attempting to use gps to measure altitude
[1781.4] Stephen: Is uh is is urinating into the wind?
[1784.28] Stephen: Uh, it wasn't helping anyone
[1785.88] Stephen: So the addition of a barometer makes for a much more sedate and calm descent rather than a glitchy stop start
[1792.6] Curry: Terrifying to say I mean to be fair barometers can certainly go out
[1796.04] Curry: So you often find yourself flying along at like minus something but the difference as you go up and down
[1802.44] Curry: It can sense that quite nicely can't it?
[1805.32] Stephen: So that there's much more averaging and smoothing going into the whole algorithm in general. I find that the most exciting feature
[1811.24] Curry: I wasn't excited by beta flight for free, but the fact they've um
[1815.64] Curry: They've actually because I think some of us were saying for a long time
[1818.76] Curry: It's like well you can sort of derive direction and stuff from a gps without a compass
[1823.88] Curry: You just have to you know work it out by by taking note of where you were and where you are now and
[1830.04] Curry: Therefore you can work out the direction you're going. So i'm really glad someone grabbed hold of that because yeah, you can't do
[1836.6] Curry: It it can't ever be as smooth as like I know exactly where i'm facing all times like and stop and rotate and stuff
[1841.96] Curry: But you can potentially come along
[1844.84] Curry: And I think did you mention it had a couple of modes like come back and hover or come back and land right?
[1850.28] Stephen: So this is going to be coming in I think in future releases i'm not sure whether they've got that but there's going to be some additional
[1856.76] Stephen: Fail-safe behaviors right now your fail-safe behaviors are you know?
[1860.84] Stephen: You've got the standard wait for an amount of time in stage one and then enter stage two and
[1867.08] Stephen: Stage two is typically cut the motors or descend
[1870.2] Stephen: Most people just cut the motors because you never know quite what's happening once you've lost a signal
[1876.04] Stephen: Um, and that's where gps return to home comes in when you enter stage two it's going to then plot a course home
[1882.84] Stephen: The option that was being discussed is instead of return to home
[1887.08] Stephen: Well, maybe you're flying somewhere where plotting a
[1891.88] Stephen: You know crows
[1894.2] Stephen: Of course as the crow flies course straight home is dangerous. For instance, you could have flown
[1900.28] Stephen: Into a tunnel you could have flown behind a building you could have flown anywhere you for instance
[1908.28] Stephen: It will try and return home at a set height
[1911.32] Stephen: Or it will choose the maximum height that you've reached in your flight
[1914.6] Stephen: But if you've flown around the side of a building and now you lost signal
[1919.16] Stephen: It could run straight into the building when it tries to return home and in those situations
[1923.96] Stephen: People have suggested especially if you're carrying very expensive camera
[1927.72] Stephen: If you're doing some filming with this quad that a much better approach is to position hold
[1932.84] Stephen: So instead of fail-saving and dropping instead of trying to descend instead of trying to return home
[1937.96] Stephen: You simply use the gps to lock you in place lock you at height and wait in the hopes that
[1945.16] Stephen: You quickly come running around the side of the building waving your radio in the air
[1950.04] Stephen: Like you're reaching for heaven and you lock into the quad and all of a sudden you can get control back
[1955.48] Stephen: And your expensive camera is no longer going to end up
[1958.76] Stephen: Spread across a brick wall or or smashed on the ground
[1963.08] Stephen: So that that's something that people have talked about
[1965.48] Stephen: I'm not sure whether it's arriving in this release or whether it's coming in the next one. I need to double check on that
[1971.48] Stephen: there's some other interesting bits and bobs though, which people really should test so they can make it into the release and
[1977.8] Stephen: This is this is the point of feature freeze you draw a line in the sand and you say if this hasn't been
[1983.4] Stephen: Um tested and isn't ready. It can't come in
[1987.0] Stephen: We've got some some other bits and pieces that need review which are things like gps lap timers
[1994.36] Stephen: There's a feature coming in where you can nominate a position on the map with gps
[1998.76] Stephen: And you can use that to say that's where my start gate is
[2002.2] Stephen: so if you don't have an expensive lap rf or if you just fancy
[2005.96] Stephen: I'm in the park and there's like something that looks like a bit of a course and you just want to have a bit of
[2010.04] Stephen: Lark around you to bring anything else with you
[2012.04] Stephen: You could nominate a position as as a start stop gate on your imaginary course that you've just drawn up
[2018.36] Stephen: And you can just fly around it and every time you pass through this location
[2021.64] Stephen: It's going to cap count and give you a split lap time and it's going to show you the lap time
[2027.0] Stephen: So you can kind of work on on your flying and you can work at making the turns more efficient and smoother and and work on
[2033.72] Stephen: The lap times that needs some people to test it and I believe there's another one
[2038.04] Stephen: Some racers want to be able to see their heart rate in the osd. And so they've got an open tx
[2045.8] Stephen: Patch which enables them to have a heart rate sensor of all things fed in through a channel
[2051.0] Stephen: And then the channel can then be taken out. It can be scaled and named and appears in the osd
[2057.48] Stephen: See you can use this for anything anything that appears as a channel
[2060.52] Stephen: so you could have a servo and give it a name and a scale and set it from
[2064.92] Stephen: 0 to 180 degrees for example, and then just show that in the osd
[2071.28] Stephen: lots of odd bits and pieces
[2073.28] Stephen: But mainly flight improvements with 4.3. There was a ton of filtering improvements
[2079.28] Stephen: And with 4.4
[2081.12] Stephen: There's going to be also some more mixer improvements
[2084.24] Stephen: There were a couple of edge cases where it turned out if you were running things flat out
[2089.04] Stephen: then if you mixed in
[2091.44] Stephen: Role and yaw, you could get some discontinuities and the the motor mixer would jump over some values and it wasn't smooth
[2098.48] Stephen: And so they they fixed that
[2101.2] Stephen: There's also an entirely new build system which is coming up
[2105.92] Stephen: so
[2107.44] Stephen: We're going to be seeing something called cloud builds, which
[2112.32] Stephen: Is is an interesting one. So they have an api
[2115.76] Stephen: And they instead of fixing the features that you can fit on an f4 11
[2120.88] Stephen: Or fixing the features you can get on an f7 or even fixing exactly the features you can get on
[2127.36] Stephen: some generic happy model board
[2130.4] Stephen: You can choose the features you want
[2133.04] Stephen: And you know
[2134.24] Stephen: There'll be an easy mode where you get to say I want this radio protocol and not that radio protocol
[2138.96] Stephen: There may be an advanced mode where you can pass in the names of more obscure features
[2142.88] Stephen: so if you really want to try an advanced gps feature in future that might not fit on some of the smaller boards
[2148.96] Stephen: If you want to cram something extra in there and take something else out
[2152.32] Stephen: There's going to be some smarts that allow you to play tetris with all of the features that beta flight has on offer
[2157.36] Stephen: so if you don't have like an f4 0 5 or an h7 board that are
[2161.52] Stephen: Gifted with a large amount of flash if you've got one of the smaller boards
[2165.6] Stephen: You can sort of try and tessellate all these features in and get something that's you know
[2170.24] Stephen: A bit of an odd build and it will go and build that for you
[2174.0] Stephen: If for the really popular defaults that everyone's using the results get cached
[2179.2] Stephen: So the first time it's built it gets cached. So if you choose just a default you get instant
[2185.68] Stephen: Rom, but if you choose something a little bit quirky, it's going to go away in, you know, 90 seconds 120 seconds. How long it takes
[2193.04] Stephen: Feeds you back the result and you can download it and flash it. I could get my old akk fix back
[2201.04] Stephen: Make me lab. Uh
[2203.84] Stephen: Yes
[2207.6] Stephen: Yeah, I I actually have a feature branch for that for that akk rdq vtx thing
[2213.36] Stephen: Where they put like an extra trailing bite on the smart audio data
[2217.6] Stephen: And they misinterpreted the smart audio spec somehow. There was a whole drama about it years ago
[2223.36] Stephen: But yeah, that might be something that you can switch on for a firmware exactly
[2227.12] Stephen: You could have your akk vtx hack for a firmware
[2231.28] Curry: We're today in
[2233.76] Curry: one of my
[2235.36] Curry: Rush fpv boards, which somebody else mentioned in a youtube comment, which which made me think oh, it's not just me where I think
[2243.92] Curry: It might i've asked them about this and it it might be that they've got a mix of versions on the boards
[2250.08] Curry: but the boards come up and
[2252.8] Curry: They tell you it's smart audio 2.1
[2255.76] Curry: Which requires the dbm values
[2258.48] Curry: for each of the vtx table values
[2261.36] Curry: And I did this on the 4.3 build and it was stuck in pit mode and it wouldn't change channel
[2267.12] Curry: And it was telling me it was smart audio 2.1. But when I changed it to the individual
[2273.44] Curry: um
[2275.2] Curry: power
[2276.8] Curry: Ratings like zero one two three then it worked and it it went back to saying i'm smart audio too
[2281.76] Curry: But it's like it's a rush. What what have you done here?
[2285.2] Curry: Is it a rush board?
[2287.28] Curry: Yeah
[2288.64] Stephen: I had exactly the same thing on a rush
[2291.28] Stephen: tiny tank
[2292.8] Stephen: and then they ship with
[2295.04] Stephen: The the mode set to rce or race instead of free and you have to go into the advanced
[2301.52] Stephen: A vtx status while it's in pit mode. So you have to hold your screen right next to it and then change it to free
[2308.0] Curry: You were unable to do that because that was grayed out while this was happening
[2312.16] Curry: Because I I found that that's infuriating as well
[2315.12] Curry: Rush, but that was that was really weird
[2317.68] Curry: And I thought I I forgot to follow up, but then someone mentioned they were having trouble today
[2323.36] Curry: Saying it was stuck in pit mode. It wouldn't change channel. I was like, oh ding. That's just rung a bell
[2328.08] Curry: Let me check that and I i've come up with the theory that perhaps
[2332.16] Curry: They've got a mix
[2333.76] Curry: of different firmware on their boards
[2336.72] Curry: Relating to different things but the documentation is only for one of them or something like that
[2341.12] Curry: But i'll see if they reply to me
[2342.88] Stephen: I was really impressed by the clarity and the apparent build quality of those rush vtxes. I've got a couple of them
[2349.84] Stephen: They just kept defaulting back to that race mode instead of free mode and locking me in pit mode when I powered up
[2356.56] Stephen: And i'm just sick of them now. I don't really want anything to do with them because I used to always have to
[2362.16] Stephen: Hold you you've got to hold the thing like right next to your head when it's on pit mode because the signal is so poor
[2367.68] Stephen: And then you've got to like, you know flip through
[2370.48] Stephen: The the on-screen display menus to to get it out of pit mode and it just seems unnecessary
[2376.4] Stephen: I can't tell why they've made that choice in the firmware. It was all good before about
[2381.12] Curry: Be if like four two, I think and then something
[2385.2] Curry: Something's not going right with them because I i've always sort of recommended them as being sort of very very clean
[2391.12] Curry: They are sort of no noise, which I really like but I can do without the hassle of having to
[2395.84] Curry: Fight around trying to figure out what's going on with them and things that's a bit of a pain
[2399.76] Stephen: Yeah, i'm going more for the open vtx stuff. Um, well, that's something else that's coming in as well
[2404.16] Stephen: Well, we're talking of beta flight features. So there's
[2406.96] Stephen: Instead of having to program your vtx table
[2409.28] Stephen: There's a new feature coming in which is vtx over msp
[2413.12] Stephen: And that's coming in with open vtx
[2415.44] Stephen: Where that one of the guys who started express lrs actually he went jai
[2419.68] Stephen: He went and created an open vtx project and the open vtx
[2424.56] Stephen: Device is programmable over smart audio. So you could just flash new firmware to it
[2429.28] Stephen: They've got a web-based app that does this
[2431.92] Stephen: And and the latest feature they're introducing is the ability to run a half duplex serial link and communicate
[2438.56] Stephen: Over msp with the vtx. So instead of programming the vtx table
[2443.36] Stephen: You go hey vtx
[2445.36] Stephen: What can you do?
[2446.56] Stephen: And it comes back and sends you the vtx table and just configures it
[2451.36] Curry: Right, so that would be much more sensible, wouldn't it saying? What are what are your capabilities?
[2457.44] Curry: Will will have yeah
[2459.44] Curry: Oh, that's the other thing. I was gonna ask you steven. Will they have the um
[2465.04] Curry: Configurator over wi-fi
[2467.68] Curry: via
[2469.04] Stephen: Uh, oh, yeah, yeah, i've been using it and I completely forgot
[2472.08] Stephen: Yeah, if you're on express lrs 3
[2474.08] Stephen: Then there's been a wi-fi overhaul and if you've seen one in the transmitters, I I set one up in a in a car
[2481.12] Stephen: Got myself a wl toys car because it was orange and I like orange
[2486.16] Stephen: And that lasted about two days predictably before I thought I don't know for express lrs in this. Um, yeah, I put
[2492.48] Stephen: uh
[2493.12] Stephen: A matec receiver in there which has vbat telemetry so I can get vbat back on my radio now for the car
[2498.8] Stephen: Which is nice. Uh, and the web interface has been massively expanded with express lrs 3
[2504.8] Stephen: So you can choose what channel goes to what servo output pin and set the rates
[2509.92] Stephen: Um and and with express lrs 3 as well when you you flick the receiver into wi-fi mode
[2515.68] Stephen: Which is used for updating it. It also forwards the beta flight. Um
[2520.8] Stephen: msp connection
[2522.4] Stephen: So if you then open the latest nightly build of configurator, which is going to debut in 4.4
[2529.04] Stephen: If you have that on an android phone or on a tablet
[2532.64] Stephen: uh or or on a
[2534.32] Stephen: laptop even
[2536.16] Stephen: That works on i've tested it on linux
[2538.56] Stephen: I'm, pretty sure it works on windows and mac as well
[2540.72] Stephen: It's going to auto detect that there's an express lrs wi-fi device. It uses bonjour or
[2546.16] Stephen: um
[2547.2] Stephen: Multicast dns mdns
[2549.36] Stephen: To to see that there's another device on the network and it's got the capabilities to to offer this
[2555.84] Stephen: Beta flight forwarding and it offers you to connect to it in the ports drop down
[2560.32] Stephen: So much like when you plug in a serial port it automatically chooses the port if it sees a wi-fi device
[2566.16] Stephen: It automatically chooses the wi-fi device. You can connect to it. You can do everything you normally would but you can't upgrade the firmware
[2573.36] Stephen: You can't use the cli stuff and because the presets also use cli
[2577.52] Stephen: It means presets can't be done, but you can do your pits. You can do your your
[2581.76] Stephen: Um kind of transmitter setup modes
[2585.1] Stephen: OSD configuration everything like that
[2589.44] Curry: That's dead handy, I think that'd be useful because if there's something that
[2593.44] Curry: um
[2594.64] Curry: Sometimes messes up in the field for me. It's
[2598.48] Curry: Uh, I forgotten to put this osd thing on and if you try and do it through the menus
[2602.72] Curry: It's a massive pain and it just appears in a place
[2605.44] Stephen: You can't move it and you've got to deal with it right in the middle of the screen for the rest of the session
[2610.32] Curry: Exactly
[2611.52] Curry: I think that's pretty neat
[2613.36] Curry: Cool. Yeah before that
[2615.12] Stephen: And uh, I was asking about whether it's going to come to the android app store
[2619.12] Stephen: Some people were making noises about that. I should chase them up. Someone somewhere has keys
[2624.48] Stephen: To the android app store for beta flight and much as it was published as a chrome app
[2629.6] Stephen: Someone somewhere is able to get it onto the google play store. So I was gonna
[2635.04] Stephen: I was trying to push people to do that because it's just much easier
[2638.48] Stephen: If you've got an android device and you download some apk
[2641.92] Stephen: The first assumption is hey the user's an idiot. This is a malicious program. Let's stop them from installing it
[2648.96] Stephen: And if you're not sure whether you've downloaded it from the right place or not
[2653.2] Stephen: Then the burden of security becomes a user thing. We don't really want that one
[2659.36] Stephen: The the phone to be able to verify it's secure so it should really go on the app store
[2664.0] Curry: Try and get that done as well. That aside also if it's on the app store
[2666.64] Curry: You don't have to think about I wonder if there's an update for this
[2669.6] Stephen: Yeah, you can have things like a beta program
[2672.0] Stephen: So you could automatically get nightly builds if you want to move from 4.4 to whatever the 4.5 nightly is for example
[2680.16] Stephen: I'm still i'm really interested with this
[2682.88] Stephen: Online builds by the way, whether it's possible to do an f3 build
[2687.52] Stephen: I haven't pushed it because I know it's stupid and we should just give up on f3, but I am
[2693.12] Curry: I'm wondering what that's like suggesting to express lrs that they support s bus sport f3. That's yesterday's technology
[2700.08] Curry: Don't be stupid. I want to use 72 megahertz of raw power
[2705.84] Curry: Well, i've still got i've still got like a bunch of
[2708.56] Curry: old quads and old little
[2710.64] Curry: Early micro quads and that that that got f3 boards, which have never been upgraded like on like free one seven and stuff
[2718.08] Curry: Talking of publishing on app stores
[2719.6] Curry: Then is that is that ever going to be on the ios store and can you even connect?
[2724.32] Stephen: You should be able to connect to you should notice this development. You can't
[2728.08] Stephen: You can connect to wi-fi that might be a way around it
[2730.48] Stephen: But you you can't connect to usb and like 90 percent of people are using usb
[2735.84] Curry: You can't connect to usb, but you could connect to wi-fi and I think apple are also like very prescriptive about what you write your
[2742.48] Stephen: apps in aren't they
[2746.35] Curry: Yes at the moment
[2749.15] Curry: Everything gets written in. Oh crust away. I've forgotten what it's called now
[2754.99] Curry: It used to be in fact using and now it's
[2759.71] Curry: No, they wouldn't let node run on it it's um, yeah
[2763.47] Stephen: So i forgot what it is. It'd be a complete rewrite basically into whatever apple's flavor de jure is
[2771.15] Curry: Yeah, I mean you can run a web app on there, but
[2774.99] Curry: It won't let you
[2776.59] Curry: run run a node
[2778.43] Curry: Js thing. I don't think
[2780.83] Stephen: Don't know it's tricky. I think the future is like pwa is basically
[2785.87] Stephen: Which were kind of missold by microsoft for years progressive web apps
[2790.19] Stephen: But microsoft as with everything it was like, you know
[2793.55] Stephen: embrace extend extinguish
[2795.79] Stephen: um
[2796.51] Stephen: And they pretty much killed their own idea by suggesting that they knew how to do things
[2800.67] Stephen: Better than everyone else and then patently doing a worse job of it than anyone else
[2805.23] Stephen: So, um, they fell out of favor for a while, but it looks like there's a bit of resurgence now
[2809.31] Stephen: So you look at edgy x and the edgy x buddy is just so much easier to use than companion for flashing stuff
[2816.51] Stephen: So it's an absolute doddle
[2820.88] Curry: Is the word I was missing by the way
[2823.52] Stephen: Oh swift. Yeah. Yeah, but if you guys looked at the latest edgy x release as well
[2829.92] Jack: No, no, no i'm still on open tx
[2833.76] Jack: I am a complete scumbag
[2836.4] Curry: I'm i've never updated edgy x i've had radios that have come with it and I was like, well, that's okay
[2842.08] Curry: Oh, hang on. It looks exactly the same. I can't tell the difference
[2845.04] Curry: Um, but i've never updated it
[2847.36] Curry: So i've never i've never had to fight with any configurator or anything
[2850.96] Stephen: If you run some chrome based browser, you know, like chrome or edge or whatever go to buddy.edgy x.org
[2857.76] Stephen: And that's an updater. Um, so you can just plug your radio in in dfu mode
[2862.48] Stephen: So typically most radios unless they're the beta fb light radio, which is effing stupid
[2868.16] Stephen: Most of them just appear as a dfu device when you plug them in with that one
[2871.2] Stephen: You have to hold a tiny reset button for reasons known only to be drift bv
[2875.84] Stephen: But yeah, you can just go go flash stuff from a website now without having to download something so you can download something else
[2884.4] Stephen: Nice which is kind of what companion was doing
[2887.12] Stephen: Yeah, it's pretty cute
[2889.2] Stephen: And the color radios do look really nice. They've got kind of proper
[2894.0] Stephen: Spaced out ui so you can actually hit the targets for your finger
[2897.6] Stephen: Because it was like homa with the homa with his fat fingers trying to dial the phone like your fingers are too fat
[2903.36] Stephen: Please order a special dialing rod
[2905.92] Curry: You can please match the keys if you're too fat
[2909.6] Curry: So yeah warm
[2912.56] Stephen: But yeah now that now they're all big and the scrolling smoother and stuff like that
[2916.48] Stephen: So it's pretty nice if you've got touchscreen radio
[2920.32] Jack: I think my year c is
[2923.28] Stephen: updated
[2925.12] Stephen: To the latest thing
[2926.88] Stephen: I don't know. Well, I should also say it's pretty nice for wing pilots as well
[2930.72] Stephen: Because I i've got like one model on all of my radios
[2933.76] Stephen: Which is like the crsf output and it's just that's it the same mappings for every single quad
[2939.6] Stephen: But if you've got like helis and wings and gliders and god knows what you would have apparently different things
[2947.2] Stephen: You might even use some of the little
[2949.2] Stephen: Slidy bits that they put on the radio so you can fidget with when you're flying. I don't know therefore
[2954.56] Stephen: But yeah, if you've got all these different models previously
[2957.44] Stephen: You'd have hundreds of entries where now you can put them into groups and organize them into nice hierarchical menus
[2962.72] Stephen: So you've got like folders of planes and folders of helis and all that stuff
[2967.6] Curry: Well, you would have had hundreds but open tx limited you to 60 and by which time you're out of memory anyway, so
[2974.16] Curry: Then you have to start deleting stuff
[2976.72] Stephen: Well, yeah, you're also now not out of memory because your models get shifted onto the sd card now. I think by default
[2983.76] Curry: Well, that's quite handy
[2985.44] Stephen: Yeah
[2986.56] Curry: So you don't slide this by the way
[2988.64] Curry: pan and tilt always useful
[2992.48] Stephen: But i'd probably crash if I did that
[2996.49] Curry: The difference with planes is you tend to be a bit higher up. So you're not doing that at six feet
[3001.53] Curry: What's behind me crash?
[3003.85] Curry: I was looking at planes
[3006.17] Curry: Committing the cardinal sin. Are you doing with your little build? Is that still ongoing?
[3010.89] Stephen: Uh, i've got all the bits and i'm basically to the point of chewing my fingernails a lot now
[3016.41] Stephen: I'm my fc order got cancelled by aliexpress, which i'm really pissed about and it's making me reconsider
[3024.33] Curry: I actually have an express order turn up for the first time with no problems
[3029.21] Curry: These are rpsma solder connectors for my maple leaf antennas so I can go back out and
[3035.93] Curry: Do more open hd stuff finally
[3038.81] Jack: I'm waiting on a
[3041.27] Jack: uh engineer crypto
[3044.23] Jack: To make sh
[3047.59] Stephen: That you would say to crimp an engineer
[3050.95] Jack: Yeah
[3052.15] Jack: really big players
[3053.91] Jack: Yeah, because
[3055.51] Jack: Yeah, none of my cables have got the right enough pens or in the right order or anything
[3061.35] Jack: Yeah
[3063.43] Stephen: That was the worst part about the gimbal conversion on the t-light I slapped in some of the
[3069.03] Stephen: Zorro gimbals and trying to find someone who would flog me some jst
[3074.37] Stephen: 1.25 apparently they're called pico blade and no one sells them
[3080.23] Stephen: I couldn't even I could get an entire crimp kit for like thirty dollars, but I needed two cables
[3085.43] Stephen: And I couldn't find them anywhere except with the horrible like
[3089.81] Stephen: PVC wires which you just don't want if you're going to be soldering because it's just going to turn into a horrible sticky mess
[3096.39] Stephen: Uh, especially as I had to strip off insulation in the middle of the wire
[3100.23] Stephen: And then pass it through to something else
[3103.03] Jack: Um, yeah, that was that was a fun build. That's right audio geek
[3107.35] Jack: Yeah, so the I bought a set of crimpers that were like the automatic ones
[3112.55] Jack: And trying to do the sh ones it does not work on that thing. It is complete garbage
[3118.55] Jack: I just buy the pre-made ones. Yeah
[3121.27] Curry: Reap in that I I find the whole idea of
[3125.35] Curry: So many connectors like there's one billion connectors under the umbrella of jst
[3131.11] Stephen: And that is ridiculous because people and it's not even an official category. It just means
[3135.11] Curry: They often email me and say what's this connector called? I said it's a jst beyond that
[3139.35] Curry: There's loads of other little things that go with it
[3141.35] Stephen: Which tells you about connection measure it was probably featured in a radio that was made in japan in the 1970s
[3148.49] Stephen: And thereafter became a semi-official member of this jst group
[3153.05] Stephen: Which are no longer japanese and no longer made by any single company. It's just a mess
[3159.29] Jack: I know it's awful
[3161.61] Stephen: At least molex. There's some vague standards
[3164.73] Curry: Yeah, things things need names proper names so you can just buy replacements
[3169.77] Jack: audio geek there there is a company that um
[3173.69] Jack: Um, yeah, like hobby rc sell
[3177.45] Jack: Silicone already made ones, but it's only terminated on one end
[3182.01] Jack: So you're screwed for the other end
[3184.81] Jack: And they're all multi-color
[3186.89] Stephen: He's doing gps. He's unlikely to have a terminal on the fc. Isn't he? It'd be just a
[3192.01] Stephen: Plug on it. Yes. I don't know
[3195.05] Curry: What I end up with is loads of joins
[3197.21] Curry: You never cut the cable because that's got the connector on and then you just join it to different stuff
[3202.65] Stephen: What you can do is just just shell out and buy the matek ones and not the knock-off
[3208.07] Stephen: Baton gps because the matek ones actually ship with silicon wires and they're pretty good about it
[3213.85] Stephen: Whereas the off-brand baton ones. Well, there may be some similar and other aspects shipped with trash cables
[3221.45] Jack: Do you know the worst part is there's a there's a guy or someone guy or girl or?
[3228.33] Jack: Maybe not maybe not even binary
[3231.13] Jack: um
[3232.81] Jack: The sells those connectors on ebay and I messaged them and I was like you san and broton
[3239.77] Jack: Can I come pick them up and they were like no?
[3242.81] Jack: so we got to place the order and then wait for all the postal strikes
[3247.77] Jack: and then they show up a week later and i'm just like
[3251.93] Jack: I literally just
[3253.77] Stephen: If can't I just find the perspective of the seller would you want to meet you some great hulk?
[3259.37] Stephen: Where's my connector?
[3262.01] Jack: Oh, come off it. It's going to be
[3264.25] Jack: Anyone who knows what a gst?
[3267.75] Jack: 0.1 connector is
[3271.05] Curry: Clearly a psychopath and shouldn't be trusted exactly like
[3275.69] Jack: Just find a rock. Give me a geocache of
[3279.29] Jack: Stuff it in there leave it in there and i'll dig it out of whatever hole it shoved in for all I care
[3285.53] Stephen: So there's a whole new business. Oh, so do you get the listener who wanted an entirely solderless build?
[3290.73] Stephen: I think this is coming back into focus now
[3293.29] Stephen: Through the mists of time. Yeah
[3296.89] Stephen: It can be possible with the right components it can be possible, but you need to solder the wires instead of the fc
[3303.05] Stephen: ah
[3304.17] Stephen: Spend all your time joining tiny wires together because you've got
[3308.97] Stephen: Two sets of cables terminated on one end and you you can't find any that are terminated on two ends
[3315.69] Curry: Keep finding the cables
[3318.17] Stephen: Yeah, do you ever you'll end up doing the order dance on aliexpress and waiting a month for everything and then like six months later
[3324.81] Jack: You might have a quad. Yeah, it's just like people
[3328.25] Jack: Did you ever find yourself where people go?
[3330.49] Jack: I don't know what this is and they ask you and then you know
[3334.33] Jack: Off the top of your head and you just go. I wish I didn't know that
[3339.53] Jack: Because I will never feel the warmth of another human being ever again
[3345.85] Curry: These these days it's more like yeah, I do know what that is
[3348.81] Curry: But now I can't remember the name because earlier onset dementia is set in once again
[3353.53] Curry: I've forgotten
[3354.97] Curry: Yeah, there you go
[3357.05] Curry: Four hours from now. We'll randomly call you and and shout
[3360.33] Curry: It's i've already forgotten the name of that program language swift. I shall it's swift down the phone and then put the phone down
[3366.17] Stephen: That's pico blade
[3368.73] Jack: Slap
[3370.73] Jack: Jim ferry called me and asked me can you help him with some c programming?
[3376.49] Jack: But that was a week ago
[3378.33] Jack: And I I thought oh, do you know what?
[3381.69] Jack: Yeah, I was like
[3384.09] Jack: I don't know
[3386.09] Jack: But feel free to call gaff if you if you do want to help him
[3389.61] Stephen: Well, I believe the standard advice that is given to any aspiring c programmer is one
[3395.37] Stephen: F**k off and to read kernigan and richie and if you go through all the forums
[3400.49] Stephen: You'll see many helpful individuals who one tell you to f**k off and to tell you to read kernigan and richie
[3406.65] Stephen: So that's probably what you want to do to just save some time in the transaction
[3410.81] Stephen: Yeah, gav if you listen to this
[3413.45] Curry: actually, no, I've got
[3415.37] Curry: I I found this I was going to send this to you and it's
[3419.45] Curry: a lovely picture
[3421.45] Curry: of
[3422.65] Curry: It's like a c programming joke, but it explained pointers in such beautiful detail
[3428.89] Curry: So i'm gonna i'm gonna share this with you
[3431.37] Stephen: And it was the other got me. I couldn't remember how struts work
[3436.01] Curry: I can't even find the share screen thing now my share screen. Is it present now? Is it?
[3440.97] Curry: Yes, I think it's gonna work. Yeah, that was changed. They've changed it
[3444.57] Stephen: It's exactly the same place with the same icon curry. Come on. You can do it annoying do it
[3449.93] Curry: There you go, there's my there's my c pointer joke which is if you know c it's a beautiful beautiful reference
[3458.97] Curry: What is a point?
[3460.97] Stephen: That's called insta star star
[3463.53] Curry: Pointing to the the other end is in short for integer. Yes. Well done jack jack gets the gold star
[3471.69] Curry: yeah
[3474.25] Stephen: Star as a so it it
[3476.25] Curry: It's a reference to a memory where an integer lives and then an insta star as a pointer to a pointer
[3482.09] Curry: Well, I don't think there's a pointer to a pointer to a pointer because you've just become silly at that point
[3486.25] Stephen: Because someone would just come out
[3488.25] Stephen: Over covered with a knife and butcher you say stop doing that. Oh
[3494.33] Curry: It's not often you get to make a lovely
[3498.09] Curry: A lovely image representing c
[3501.05] Jack: Do you know what anime that's from?
[3504.65] Stephen: No, am I about c coding?
[3506.81] Jack: No, no, it's not
[3508.81] Jack: um
[3509.69] Jack: And it's where you see me just spy in the anime
[3513.85] Stephen: I wasn't part of me seriously was hoping that there was an anime somewhere about c coding given the
[3521.21] Curry: Most things I don't see one
[3526.25] Jack: Yeah death note with the i'm gonna eat a potato chip
[3530.09] Jack: Yeah
[3533.85] Curry: I thought it was okay because he already did all that thing for his arduino stuff
[3538.73] Jack: Um
[3540.25] Jack: I know I don't I don't know
[3543.61] Stephen: Okay, oh I converted my tx16s to have a replaceable antenna and and I got furious in the process
[3551.29] Stephen: It seemed on the face of it trivial
[3554.25] Stephen: Order a replacement antenna kit which costs six quid
[3557.93] Stephen: Open up the radio unplug the ufl
[3562.89] Stephen: Unclip the antenna. Oh, yeah
[3566.65] Stephen: Did you
[3567.69] Stephen: Document this any photos or anything or no, I kind of I got too mad
[3572.97] Stephen: I got too mad, but but it ended up with if anyone has probably got a tx16 somewhere
[3579.29] Stephen: but the the standard antenna
[3582.33] Stephen: Sticks out the case by quite a margin and the replacement antenna instead of sort of
[3588.65] Stephen: Going flush with the case. It builds on the joint where the plug-in antenna went
[3594.41] Stephen: And it just sort of shoves an adapter and an sma socket. That's a special extra long sma sockets an 18 mil sma
[3602.49] Stephen: Which is like six mil longer than a standard sma and it was effing
[3607.19] Stephen: Rpsma which I hate i'm on this quest to remove rpsma from all of my equipment
[3612.73] Stephen: So I was damned if I was going to go and put the replacement replaceable antenna mount in
[3618.65] Stephen: With an rpsma and then have to buy all new antennas
[3622.73] Stephen: So so I took like the nuclear option and I got the dremel out and started cutting bits of my radio up
[3629.37] Stephen: after
[3630.73] Stephen: a couple of abortive attempts at 3d printing which I thought were going to work out beautifully, but
[3635.77] Stephen: As with everything 3d printed if you put it on a quad
[3638.65] Stephen: It's fine
[3639.53] Stephen: If you try and put it next to a piece of perfectly molded plastic, it looks like a toddler's been out and about
[3646.09] Stephen: Uh, so yeah that that attempt lasted not very long at all
[3649.61] Stephen: And then I got there mount with the giant 18 mil adapter took that 18 mil adapter out and just kind of
[3656.57] Stephen: Sanded it down
[3657.93] Stephen: Dremel the top off in an ugly way and then repeatedly sanded it with wet and dry until I got
[3662.65] Stephen: Down to like 1500 grit wet and dry
[3665.69] Stephen: And it was like only one mil proud at the top of the radio
[3668.73] Stephen: And then I could use the normal sma thing and I felt very happy and pleased with myself
[3673.37] Jack: I I I don't want this to be publicly known, but I do have a supply of
[3680.73] Jack: Um sma stuff to convert
[3683.77] Jack: rpsma
[3685.29] Jack: And whatnot. So well, so does next time not great secret talk to me. Yeah, I know but I can crimp
[3692.25] Jack: I got all the crimp tools and everything
[3694.97] Curry: I did notice this because um, I haven't got tx16, but I got
[3698.73] Curry: the zorro and I noticed the zorro
[3701.21] Curry: Antenna replacement kit was available
[3703.77] Curry: and so I asked
[3705.77] Curry: Radio master if uh, I could review one and they sent me the tx12 model 2 and forgot to put the replacement kit in
[3712.25] Curry: But I did notice with the tx12, which has a
[3714.81] Curry: Unscrewable antenna which you can replace that it is also rpsma and all my antennas. I want to test with our sma
[3721.13] Curry: So I had to use an adapter
[3722.97] Curry: Which is you know kills a bit of signal but better than nothing, but yes
[3727.77] Curry: I don't I don't know why rpsma still exists in these places
[3731.77] Stephen: It's not just me being stupid, but someone at radio radio master did a massive
[3736.89] Stephen: Is um, I have the radio master case for my radio not the big foam one
[3740.97] Stephen: But the one they shipped so you can actually take it places without shedding bits of packing foam
[3744.97] Stephen: And and after installing their kit for their radio
[3748.97] Stephen: The radio is now two centimeters too tall to fit in their case
[3754.25] Stephen: The case which it does fit in perfectly is produced by
[3759.21] Stephen: Their competitor jumper
[3761.37] Stephen: Uh, so I now have a jumper case for the radio where it fits perfectly without hitting the top
[3767.13] Stephen: Um, and it's a much nicer case. So
[3769.93] Jack: Screw them
[3770.97] Jack: Uh, funny story carrie, you know, you were talking about your little needle incident earlier on today. I had some
[3778.49] Jack: needles to
[3780.41] Jack: Dispose of so I went to my local pharmacy. I said i've got some needles
[3785.45] Jack: and
[3786.57] Jack: They were like we don't have a needle exchange program and they refused me
[3790.41] Jack: And I was like, I just want to get rid of them
[3792.57] Jack: So they sent me to the other chemists who they don't know me
[3796.73] Jack: And obviously I have I have a few few of these that I used with soldering
[3801.77] Jack: That I finished with and I go in there and then they see that and they're like we've only got the two mill needles
[3807.69] Jack: Is that all right thinking i'm like a full 10 cc
[3811.67] Jack: heroin junkie
[3816.09] Curry: Probably needs a lot of junk
[3818.73] Curry: Just keep refilling it or can I have five of them at once can't get enough scag in the regular needle
[3824.01] Jack: Yeah, I know. So yeah, like apparently I my hair is crazy enough
[3829.85] Jack: Um that I look like a crackhead now
[3832.73] Jack: So that's surely i'm way too fat to be a smackhead, but you know, yeah, you'd you'd clearly be doing something wrong
[3840.81] Stephen: Yeah, so
[3842.81] Stephen: Surprised they didn't take you aside and say excuse me. We think you may be using these wrong. I don't like
[3848.65] Jack: me
[3850.97] Jack: Um, right that well on that note, um
[3855.53] Jack: If you if you have enjoyed us and you want to support the show
[3860.49] Jack: We have got patreon and we really appreciate it because it helps
[3864.57] Jack: Cut the effing and jeffing out and cleans everything up for our audio listeners. Um, you've been joined by everyone's favorite curry kitchen
[3873.29] Curry: But I I can't get my arms up ahead. The needle is involved both arms and they're now very sore. Bye. Bye. Okay
[3880.01] Jack: everyone's favorite mustache steven
[3883.13] Jack: Cheers. Thank you. Goodbye. Good night
[3885.13] UNKNOWN: And I broke till I fly and i'm a crackhead apparently, thank you. Good night telemetry last