=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 373 ===
Title: LDO 373 - Lelets Drodrone Ouout 337733
Recorded: 2022-10-20
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,950
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg8RPsHR-XU); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1368260116-letsdroneout-ldo-373-lelets-drodrone-ouout-337733.mp3)
=====================================

[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to what drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate
[7.48] Jack: So that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say
[12.56] Jack: Massive. Thank you to call us campus art folk now Sam Dharma on with the show
[51.89] Jack: Hello and I'm not here
[54.39] Jack: Yeah
[55.91] Jack: Curry is here, but Kerry's got a problem
[59.47] Jack: Where everything he says he reboot say hello. Welcome to let trying out curry
[65.11] Curry: I'm trying I'm trying I'm trying desperately so I can reboot and I've got everything's blocking from doing it
[71.91] Stephen: Yes
[77.19] Stephen: It's very funny hold down the power button and just give it the birdie give it the one finger salute
[83.75] Jack: Yeah
[85.75] Stephen: Why I no longer have a Mac because it turns out if you do that too many times you just need to reinstall it
[91.19] Stephen: Just gives up. Yeah
[94.39] Jack: So he was saying he's his Mac's been on
[100.31] Jack: 58 or is it 56 days uptime?
[104.39] Jack: so yeah, if you
[106.47] Jack: it's certain and it tricks the event into a sort of
[111.99] Jack: Restart thinking it was
[114.15] Stephen: Gas let me into some things gone wrong. Well, I quit out the stream. I didn't restart but I bounced the sound server
[122.39] Jack: That's false audio
[124.07] Jack: Anyway today you're joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten who's rebooting everyone
[131.03] Jack: Lo that's that's Curry's part. I'll see. Yeah
[135.75] Jack: Stephen
[137.11] Jack: Nice to see you all bright until I fly and welcome to the show. Thanks for tuning in
[141.91] Jack: uh
[143.11] Jack: Yeah, we were we were talking eses. I don't know what rating i've got 1700 kv
[150.71] Jack: so I don't know 35
[153.59] Jack: up
[154.55] Jack: upwards
[155.67] Jack: Really on a lot like a 2205 or um, yeah. Yeah
[161.59] Jack: 2026
[163.03] Stephen: Yeah, something like that. Okay, so that's going to pull less power than like a 2207
[167.83] Stephen: So you'd probably be okay on a 45 amp maybe a 35 even
[172.15] Stephen: Yeah, 2207 they are
[174.63] Stephen: Oh 2207. Okay. I thought you were on these ancient like emacs motors, but that was just no there eco
[181.91] Stephen: Ah, the emacs eco. Yeah, i've got them i've got them
[184.71] Stephen: I was running those on a quad up there in fact, and i'm doing that on a 35 amps
[189.75] Stephen: See I haven't trashed it yet, but it's kind of my slow bruisey one
[195.03] Stephen: Yeah, good something with a bit of headroom
[197.11] Jack: because i've got separate eses
[200.31] Jack: But uh kiss eses, but I just don't want to trim these wires down
[206.47] Jack: right and I thought
[209.67] Jack: i'll give bl heli a go and um
[213.27] Stephen: If yeah, uh, yeah, what's the worst that can happen, right?
[217.27] Stephen: Yeah, if you get curious you could always flash am32 just for giggles. I suppose as well
[223.91] Stephen: That's supposed to have a similar feel to the kiss eses because it you can do like um
[229.59] Stephen: Better braking and you can do sign mode startup
[232.31] Stephen: But the developers told me you don't want to do sign mode startup because it dumps a ton of current
[236.95] Stephen: And the transition from sign mode to not sign mode is kind of rough
[241.35] Stephen: Apparently sign mode startup is really just a novelty thing
[244.15] Stephen: You don't want it to actually work at speeds where it's providing thrust
[247.51] Stephen: And you don't want to leave it in sign mode for too long
[250.07] Stephen: Because unless you've got like a big rc crawler with a giant can
[253.83] Stephen: It's going to put a ton of heat out and on like a 2207. There's just not enough places for the heat to go
[261.59] Jack: Oh, wow, really?
[263.67] Jack: Yeah
[265.11] Jack: I did not know that i've yeah because that's something that you were you know, you were looking at the your fat tech ese
[274.07] Jack: That's got trapezoidal
[276.47] Jack: Mode, isn't it?
[278.71] Stephen: If you think about it, it's less efficient, but it's pushing the same amount of current. So what does that mean?
[283.67] Stephen: Well, ultimately it just means that the power is not going to make the motor spin
[287.59] Stephen: It's going to be lost as electrical losses
[290.55] Stephen: And uh, and so what you're doing is dumping a bunch of power into the coil isn't used as efficiently and it's just going out as heat
[298.95] Jack: Nice
[300.31] Jack: Um see what i've been playing with
[303.19] Jack: Um the jst sh I bought myself the engineer crimpers
[309.19] Jack: Oh my word to be able to make my own
[311.91] Jack: cables, so yeah, i'm trying to
[314.39] Jack: Trying to neaten up the fleet a bit really but I admire your persistence
[319.19] Stephen: I I just went and I ordered the cables from aliexpress and had some poor child in china
[324.55] Stephen: Make me up cables and send them to me
[326.87] Stephen: I wish how do the printers work are the results good?
[329.83] Jack: um
[331.11] Jack: I've I've successfully done one
[334.63] Jack: Out of many and it's very tedious and very annoying
[340.47] Jack: So I do not recommend it at all
[343.75] Stephen: I imagine you want to do a few and use them on like little led projects before you put them in a quad, right?
[349.67] Stephen: Yeah, and I can't even
[353.27] Jack: um
[355.19] Jack: I I keep
[356.55] Jack: I keep ordering the the the hubs to repair them because they get a bit mashed up on
[363.27] Jack: on uh, the kiss flight controllers and stuff and I
[367.59] Jack: Keep getting the horizontal ones. So if anyone knows the uh
[372.31] Jack: The id for the the ones that oh, right?
[378.15] Stephen: But they don't have pads on the other side because a lot of boards with jst's they put pads as well
[383.43] Jack: No, they're but it's by side. So yeah, that's kind of what i've been up to
[388.15] Jack: And it's been windy all hell
[390.71] Stephen: I remember I started building with little um
[394.79] Stephen: cheapo stacks and I had like an e sheen f3 stack like a 20 mil one that was all
[400.63] Stephen: Jst's and they give you the jst's with the pvc wires and when you're learning to solder
[406.71] Stephen: The mess that you make of jst's with pvc wires just atrocious
[411.27] Stephen: The other end is just like
[413.33] Stephen: A tangle of shorted gobs of solder with bits of plastic burnt on it and dripping. It's horrible
[419.67] Jack: Not good. Have you been out flying?
[423.67] Stephen: Have I been out flying i've been in flying actually i've done a whole load of whoop work whoop work
[429.11] Jack: Hey, do you want to tell us about that for some time?
[433.19] Stephen: I loved my fr sky because it was cheap
[437.11] Stephen: Then it annoyed me because I could only fly down the bottom of the stairs and turn
[442.07] Stephen: Uh left and if I turned right I fail safe to the bottom of the stairs
[447.03] Stephen: I'm sick of that
[448.39] Stephen: So I upgraded to elrs. I had this mob light
[452.31] Stephen: Which is a bit of a fussy one because they're solder on motors on a whoop. So it's like insect surgery
[459.35] Stephen: So I put that to an elrs diamond f4 board
[462.95] Stephen: And did my insect surgery and I tried to upgrade the antenna
[467.67] Stephen: But oh my god. No, it's like an a little enamel wire antenna
[471.91] Stephen: Yeah
[473.35] Stephen: Which is like absolute horror to try and remove
[476.95] Stephen: it's a through-hole one
[478.71] Stephen: annoyingly, but the
[481.49] Stephen: Elrs antenna which doesn't really matter is not does my white mic work now surface one. Yeah
[489.51] Stephen: But yeah, I I was able to re solder that but I could not for the life of me remove the antenna and after some experience, um
[498.39] Stephen: With another board trying to pull out wires and re solder it. I just thought no i'm not doing it
[503.59] Stephen: So I I left the antenna there. So it's 400 milliwatt with a piece of enamel wire
[507.83] Stephen: Which is really great at getting the flight controller. It's about 75 degrees unless you take off quickly
[514.39] Jack: um
[516.71] Stephen: I also bought another one
[518.71] Stephen: I bought one that had plugs because I don't hate myself enough to go through that again even on 65 mil
[525.27] Stephen: And that's quite nice and fun
[526.79] Stephen: But then I discovered the reason I stopped flying this at the end of last year is because the two rear motors keep seizing up
[535.27] Stephen: And they look fine, but they just take off and then randomly stop spinning and it falls to the floor
[541.91] Stephen: And uh, if I lower the startup power I can observe that the rear motors are not happy spinning
[547.99] Stephen: So oh 702 motors in the post to test them out and replace them
[553.67] Stephen: And another one that I did already using a 1s and 2s board for a bit of a giggle
[559.19] Stephen: With a proper antenna connection proper dipole and all the dipole
[564.63] Jack: No
[566.63] Stephen: No soldering
[567.75] Stephen: So I can I can fly anywhere in the house
[570.63] Stephen: And I can even go and scare the rude cats that sit on the bike shed
[574.95] Stephen: Outside and pick on our cats
[577.43] Stephen: I can fly a whoop at them and say shoe because our cats are apparently too polite
[582.31] Stephen: To to go and face off and they just sort of stand by the window looking terrified and go
[587.83] Jack: Um
[589.83] Stephen: So so I gave them a helping hand the poor little dears and and I scared them off with a lot of 75 more whoops
[595.99] Stephen: They can go out into the garden again
[597.99] Stephen: lucky things
[599.27] Stephen: I know it's my flying
[601.19] Jack: so rosy rosy pie and a camera with uh
[606.07] Jack: An nvidia shield with auto detector went to text cat shapes
[611.67] Jack: It alerts you to a cat alarm and out goes the whoop
[616.23] Jack: And defend your territory
[619.03] Stephen: Yeah, yeah
[621.03] Stephen: That could work apart from the fact that i've got a little pond outside. So I probably lose a couple of whoops a week that way
[627.35] Jack: Yeah, I'm getting there over it. You'll be fine. Curry. Are you flying? No
[632.63] Curry: no flying this week because
[634.95] Curry: I've mainly been having a bathroom being fitted
[638.47] Curry: And uh that has led me to start working on the sim
[641.51] Curry: And then I got involved too much in that and now I have to finish off what i'm doing before I do anything else
[647.75] Jack: Um, I saw oscar lang today. Wow, I went in caught up with old oscar. Yeah
[655.19] Jack: He's jacked. He's ripped. He's like
[660.07] Jack: Been doing a ton of working out. He's got like a washboard stomach
[666.15] Curry: I just felt like it's hard to tell because most people that have read oscar's blog and seen the occasional youtube video
[672.71] Curry: Won't have seen any part of him whatsoever
[676.07] Curry: I I have seen the photos you you took with him when you went flying years ago. Yeah
[682.07] Curry: And I you know, he would be hard to pick up. I have a lineup. He's still like
[687.27] Curry: If you took a photo directly of him, he might have like a blurry face like he'd been edited out
[691.67] Curry: Is that incognito he manages to avoid all?
[694.71] Jack: Yeah, I asked him. I asked him whether he'd come on. Let's turn out and he was just like I don't
[701.83] Jack: Want that much information out there about me. So I was just like, oh, come on, man
[707.83] Stephen: But no, he it's got his own website where he posts a series of news articles regularly. He's got a facebook group
[715.51] Jack: Yeah, well, he's got a forum as well
[718.39] Curry: He's he's got a forum, you know, and the entire thing is based around his name, but he doesn't want to be known
[726.39] Curry: Yeah, see we went wrong in the beginning yeah, really
[731.27] Stephen: How will people ever find anything out about him?
[733.99] Stephen: I know mystery
[735.99] Stephen: Well, good luck to him
[737.59] Stephen: I did post on our news section that you know where there's a
[741.43] Stephen: Washboard abs and everything. He's he's being indulging in a lot of screwing recently and he's posted an article about it
[748.71] Stephen: He's discussing whether you want steel aluminium or titanium
[753.59] Jack: Oh
[754.79] Stephen: And the control button head versus socket head for example
[759.43] Jack: I I I like a socket head
[763.27] Jack: myself
[764.47] Stephen: But I understand button head he's gone through and he's weighed them all
[769.01] Stephen: Obsessively like he's got m3 8 mil and 6 mil bolts and he's freaking weighed
[775.91] Stephen: every permutation of them, so
[779.11] Stephen: I mean he clearly just blasted off an order to aliexpress and eventually it came in he's like right i've got to do something with this
[785.91] Stephen: Apparently if you're weight conscious what you want is a button head aluminium
[790.55] Stephen: Which is going to net you a grand total of naught point one seven
[795.35] Stephen: grams on an m3 6 mil
[797.91] Stephen: Whereas if you're a big porky chonker, you can go up to a steel
[802.63] Stephen: With a twelve point nine high tensile rating and that's naught point six six grams
[808.71] Stephen: How will you even take off with that? It's outrageous
[812.15] Jack: Look the the thing is in the aluminium is i've
[815.75] Jack: I've come carried back to us stay away from the line
[819.59] Jack: I've i've used um only the hardened
[824.39] Jack: Aluminium from immerged impulse
[827.99] Jack: Yeah impulse rc
[830.31] Jack: so
[832.31] Jack: Um, but i've i've also come then come across chinese aluminium screws which
[839.11] Stephen: Literally destroy themselves as you screw them into anything. I bought some chinese titanium screws and I think I can snap them in half with my teeth
[847.43] Stephen: No, why have you still gone?
[849.67] Stephen: Yeah, I I snapped the head clean off one over talking
[854.39] Curry: I will buy anything
[856.71] Curry: That doesn't instantly become like a round hole as I try and tighten up because like whoop that slipped
[863.19] Curry: Whoop that slipped i've made a massive hole then I end up with a t driver bashing in
[868.71] Curry: Just to make a new hole and screw that in or unscrew it
[873.83] Curry: You're an animal
[876.55] Stephen: Just use tape where's tony when you need him? Well, he's told me professional fittings
[881.67] Stephen: Yeah, bit of aural tight call it good
[884.31] Curry: Terrible
[884.79] Curry: So did anybody go flying I I heard that I heard the steven story about weeps and cats
[889.11] Stephen: Was that your flying thing for this week? That was my flying because it started to rain
[894.39] Stephen: And where I live it is clay. So
[897.51] Stephen: The local area is slowly filling the aquifer is raising and soon it will be about ankle height
[905.91] Curry: No, yeah, it's been particularly windy over the last couple of weeks
[908.95] Jack: Yes windy
[911.91] Jack: It it settled
[913.91] Jack: Uh for like the evening for the last two hours of daylight down here
[918.95] Jack: Oh, yeah, how are you getting on?
[921.59] Jack: Have you? There's no way
[925.19] Stephen: I've hollowed it out
[926.79] Stephen: So I can fit things into it
[929.19] Stephen: I don't know what things are going to fit in there, but it's now a hollow fuselage instead of a solid fuselage
[935.99] Stephen: hollow fuselage
[938.79] Stephen: Of a little glider everyone
[943.11] Stephen: Make these different sizes. This is one of the smaller ones
[946.39] Stephen: There's an excel which I probably should have got in retrospect, but it looks like you were talking about the little curvy
[952.47] Stephen: Curvy dihedral thingies, whatever they were
[955.73] Stephen: polyhedral dihedral
[958.15] Stephen: He'd really he'd really ends he'd really novels. Um, and apparently
[963.67] Stephen: They make it fly better, but I noticed they're only on the small version. They are not on the large version
[968.87] Stephen: That is a very small wing. I don't know if you can see that's my head
[972.47] Stephen: That's a pretty small wing
[975.27] Stephen: So
[976.23] Jack: Yeah, people don't really know we need to get some of the bananas from 40 cent
[980.63] Stephen: 45 centimeter wing so it's going to be interesting. I'm gonna have to be really careful with the electronics
[987.11] Jack: Have you noticed this even aileron?
[990.31] Jack: Uh mold marks in that wing
[993.51] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, but they're yeah, they're ruddy tiny. Have you seen how tiny they are?
[997.91] Curry: Yeah, yeah caroline saying that isn't a little glider
[1000.95] Curry: I was going to say is that the little one or is it's one of the bangerd specials for like a quid
[1005.19] Curry: This is I got two for six quid on ebay boom boom
[1008.79] Curry: All right, so they're the bangerd joey job
[1011.67] Curry: Yeah, I think the the little ones are bigger aren't they?
[1014.39] Stephen: Yeah, caroline saying they only sell the excel version. Yeah. Yeah, I saw kids throwing the one i've got in the park. So
[1021.19] Stephen: Yeah, they only sell the excel version, right?
[1023.35] Stephen: So a couple of years ago, they did a small one like that, but now they only sell the
[1027.75] Stephen: chunky chunker
[1031.7] Jack: That's weird. I I went and got a few of those we got two of them for uh
[1038.66] Jack: For my friend dan upton. What about you curry? Have you done anything?
[1043.38] Curry: No, as explaining i've i've been waiting for my bathroom to be fitted
[1047.54] Curry: So i've been here as the man keeps asking me confusing questions about which way up do you want the tiles?
[1052.1] Curry: Which I didn't think would take quite so much
[1054.66] Curry: Thought and then i've been trying to program the sim with racing
[1060.98] Curry: Where i've got to the fact that i've got a racing thing
[1064.98] Curry: and I have
[1066.26] Curry: Spent today trying to model an archway in blender and that has been my progress
[1071.3] Curry: I I still have to lay out courses and stuff and then I will be done with that
[1076.66] Curry: But no nothing nothing not even look at it well i've looked at stuff, but that's about it
[1082.26] Jack: I've I'm the delivery of any hint
[1086.42] Jack: I've ordered stuff and i'm like, no
[1088.98] Curry: No, i've still i've still got my sma adapters from last week that have to go on those uh antennas for open hd
[1095.78] Curry: Which haven't got around to doing and i've still got that wing that needs maidening
[1100.66] Curry: Uh, so i've got stuff to do when i'm gonna go out, but i'm finishing off what i'm doing
[1105.7] Curry: And then i'll be off
[1107.94] Curry: Trying to fly stuff
[1109.7] Stephen: I did a vanity project. It's one of the vainest projects i've done
[1115.06] Stephen: It's quite vain grand scheme of things. You know how I love my ugly old
[1120.56] Stephen: Deviation handset
[1123.46] Stephen: Yellow and I think it's amazing
[1127.3] Stephen: so
[1128.58] Stephen: I made a
[1130.9] Stephen: In yellow I bought webbing and and I stitched it and took the buckles off another one
[1136.26] Stephen: I made it sat in front the telly and stitched up the ends
[1139.7] Stephen: And made myself a slightly longer than usual neck strap because the ones that you get with
[1144.82] Stephen: Radios that claim to be fataba branded, but I somewhat doubt
[1149.46] Stephen: Um are rather short and I i'm not
[1153.06] Stephen: Not running my rip, you know, everyone's seen these orange ones that have fatale printed on them
[1158.26] Jack: How bad did you get told off caroline? Apparently, uh, she flew tuesday
[1163.7] Jack: Drove to the ribblehead viaduct
[1166.66] Jack: And used my new to meet digi mini 2 and my fbv plane and got told off
[1174.1] Jack: Just a little
[1175.54] Curry: Who'd you get told off by?
[1178.02] Stephen: The viaduct police. I know. Yeah, some dog walker probably. Yeah. Was it a dog walker?
[1185.38] Stephen: be honest
[1187.78] Jack: I can't believe how much you love that
[1190.5] Jack: that yellow radio
[1193.06] Curry: Bizarre, I mean he's doubled the weight of it with that strap now
[1196.74] Stephen: Yeah, well, I learned to fly on it. So it's just you know, like you like your tyrannis and stuff
[1202.5] Jack: Yeah
[1203.46] Jack: Literally got like no
[1205.86] Jack: anything
[1208.26] Stephen: Know anything what do you mean know anything it does a fail you have to like updates
[1212.66] Stephen: You can't do that on a bloody tango, too
[1215.7] Jack: Yeah, didn't you have to like get it to
[1219.54] Jack: Oh, oh my god, you're dicing me a lie
[1222.5] Jack: We got a visitor. This is very unusual
[1225.46] Stephen: yeah, so
[1226.58] Stephen: That deviation handset is that like the fanciest deviation handset you can get apart from one that they did as a v3
[1233.54] Stephen: Which was black and looked boring and had on board
[1236.42] Stephen: I had an on board voice module that one doesn't have the on board voice module
[1240.58] Stephen: I could mod it in but I can't be asked. I don't really like voices that much, but it does telemetry. It's got an OLED screen
[1247.54] Stephen: It does crsf. It does the menus for elrs
[1252.28] Stephen: And yeah, a thousand hertz gimbal updates and i've got the ago one mini gimbals in there. So it's just perfect
[1258.36] Jack: Oh, man. Yeah, didn't you have to like write your own code to get that the
[1262.92] Stephen: Lua script working and stuff. I did quite a lot of testing and yeah, I did read the c code, but it just looked like
[1270.76] Stephen: moon code
[1272.6] Stephen: so, um
[1273.96] Stephen: Yeah, I didn't end up actually editing it. Oh, so she's got the same and added the uh, ah, right
[1280.68] Stephen: So someone who yeah, okay, so someone does it being undercut it paid actual money
[1286.68] Stephen: And uh was pissed off. She turned up without the relevant affidavits
[1291.72] Stephen: Fair enough
[1293.08] Jack: Yeah, you should have been like yo, do you want my footage?
[1296.2] Jack: you know like
[1298.76] Curry: You know get closer unless it's a no fly zone. It's like it's perfectly fine to fly there
[1305.24] Stephen: Unless he's trying to get these sweeping pans and she's just like absolutely ripping it
[1314.36] Jack: He's there with like a phantom four
[1317.56] Stephen: or three
[1319.4] Stephen: He's up there with his matrice slowly panning side to side taking geographic shots
[1324.68] Stephen: Hoping to sell them on for 20 grand to some tv company. Meanwhile, there's this fbv plane like screaming past 110
[1332.28] Curry: This sounds like a bit if you've ever been down in like a tourist place
[1336.68] Curry: And someone decides they're going to take a picture of someone so they say stand in front of
[1341.0] Curry: The statue and then they walk backwards like 30 feet
[1345.54] Curry: Expecting no one to cross in front when it's on like the pavement. That's a bit like that sort of thing
[1350.44] Curry: It's like i'm here i'm trying to film here. Well, i'm flying my plane around screw off
[1355.16] Stephen: photobomb
[1356.36] Curry: photobomb yeah
[1359.0] Curry: You'll you'll get a nice picture of a plane for scale and you can you can pretend the viaduct's incredibly big
[1364.44] Stephen: I'm allowed to be there. He was fascinated by the plane. So maybe that's a good turn
[1371.0] Stephen: Is this your new he wing caroline because I saw that you were doing a little build vid on that
[1377.8] Curry: Yeah, i'm only i'm only the first sort of six minutes into that i'm still another 40 odd minutes to watch for the second part
[1383.32] Stephen: Oh
[1384.84] Curry: You've knocked things on the floor
[1386.44] Stephen: I was intrigued by the off-brand wing controller and I spent quite a while trying to check it out
[1390.84] Stephen: Looks like a clone of a matek f405
[1394.84] Stephen: Which looks like it's no longer available, but was apparently quite good value when it was still for sale
[1401.08] Jack: Yeah, I tried to repair this something that um
[1405.4] Jack: Uh paul gave me and it's got an internal short
[1410.04] Jack: I'd get it working and then it would just heat itself up and then just short
[1415.24] Jack: and I updated it and
[1418.44] Jack: But the early it had the early bl heli noises on it as well. So i've been i've been trying to do stuff
[1424.04] Jack: I've literally got no choice
[1427.08] Jack: other than spend a million pounds on a four in one ese
[1432.76] Jack: but to go back
[1434.84] Jack: to the
[1437.06] Jack: historic
[1439.56] Jack: historic quad build
[1441.32] Jack: You know of the
[1443.16] Jack: You know the the early days
[1446.28] Jack: I think that's my only choice
[1450.26] Curry: Everything is very expensive, isn't it?
[1452.34] Curry: It's like oh, I could just do with buying one of these things to put in that thing and then you look at it
[1456.58] Curry: You're like no, i'm not going to do that. That's why I was just talking about something
[1462.34] Stephen: I was looking at hobbyrc and they stock a bunch of sky stars who seem to have got an unfair
[1467.86] Stephen: Reputation they've been around almost as long as I flight but for some reason they don't have the snappy marketing or whatever
[1474.18] Stephen: Their kit seems to be available at a good price
[1478.98] Stephen: I talked to the guy who was doing pcb layout and he had some really interesting ideas. He was
[1484.82] Stephen: Not just doing castellated pads
[1486.66] Stephen: But trying to offset the pads at an angle so that they could decrease the width of the esc
[1492.34] Stephen: But give you nice long pads, but diagonal
[1495.7] Stephen: So you'd have yeah, it's very interesting layout look pretty cool
[1501.22] Jack: Yeah, we should we should get caroline on one of these days because it was quite a laugh at the uh
[1509.62] Jack: Spv drone fest was that right? Our calendar is quite free at the moment
[1516.74] Stephen: having a
[1518.9] Stephen: We're thinking about who we should book if anyone's got any ideas
[1522.42] Stephen: Do let us know because i'm drawing blank after blank after blank
[1526.18] Jack: You well, weren't you talking about some sort of nutcase that's building his own helicopter?
[1531.78] Curry: I think he's dead now already after another
[1535.54] Curry: Well, it wouldn't take much with it
[1537.7] Stephen: Looking at how that thing was flying twin rotor. What do you call it? Not not collective?
[1544.1] Curry: It was a coaxial
[1546.82] Curry: Which was presumably has fixed pitch blades
[1549.3] Stephen: Yeah
[1549.78] Curry: That he was hovering around looking very shaky and had a bit of a dodgy landing
[1554.18] Curry: It was just the fact that that whole assembly was shaken about above his head by like a wonderful
[1560.18] Stephen: It was uh incredibly scary got an outboard motor and run a helicopter off it. I mean what more can you ask for?
[1567.14] Stephen: pure risk
[1568.66] Stephen: At the upside he was able to attain a height of something like four foot off the floor
[1573.54] Stephen: A considerably greater risk than using a step ladder
[1578.82] Stephen: Absolutely incredible
[1580.34] Curry: It's it's interesting how
[1582.58] Curry: Homebuilt helis work the opposite to hobby where it's like few mistakes high is what we go with and they're like
[1589.14] Curry: No more than half a mistake high in case it just conks out and completely crashes
[1594.1] Stephen: And he had like landing skids front to back and then he put another set of bars out the side
[1599.38] Stephen: Just in case it tipped so it was like 30 feet wide
[1603.3] Stephen: It's gigantic
[1604.98] Curry: It was very weird
[1606.74] Curry: Yeah, everyone the last guest
[1609.7] Curry: I talked to and ignored our email eventually got back to me and said i'm going to check you out and let you know
[1615.62] Curry: So he's probably checked us out because he hasn't let me know
[1619.54] Jack: Oh, yeah, well, I don't know just to
[1622.82] Jack: Try and have another I I asked oscar to put like a little shout out and get some ideas and that
[1628.66] Jack: want to
[1629.94] Jack: Want to try and do some nerdy shows see if you know
[1633.7] Jack: I'm half tempted to like start going through some
[1638.42] Jack: old stuff and like see whether I can get an email for cadex or
[1643.14] Jack: You know run cam and see whether there's any engineers or
[1647.7] Jack: that would actually
[1650.74] Jack: Rather than uh, rather than sales people it's quite difficult really
[1656.18] Curry: I'd love to chat to some of these engineers just to ask them what their their testing policy is
[1662.42] Curry: Which doesn't seem to exist. It's like we we ship it
[1666.26] Curry: We wait for the folks to come up and then we make a new one
[1670.5] Stephen: Well, maybe we should talk to some of the beta flight people because they're actually behind the scenes trying to corral a lot of vendors
[1678.02] Stephen: Into discussions to actually validate that things like the power isolation is good
[1684.02] Stephen: To make sure that the gyro is getting clean power and you don't find out about it only after you've crashed like three quads
[1690.1] Stephen: And the customers are screaming
[1692.1] Stephen: We could ask a few people. There's a few in australia
[1695.46] Curry: I think there's a problem as as the weather changes isn't there about there's less flying going on
[1701.06] Curry: therefore there tends to be
[1703.7] Curry: It in in the past years it's been a case of everybody buying stuff and building stuff
[1709.38] Curry: But of course, nobody wants to spend money on stuff now because it's too expensive
[1713.46] Curry: And everything else is going up get car from hd0 and his goggles are out soon
[1717.86] Curry: I hear is that he's someone to talk to
[1720.5] Stephen: He asked guest to come back. He was busy with racing and he was to be fair
[1725.86] Stephen: But yeah, he said he does very few public appearances
[1730.98] Frank: This episode was recorded in front of a live online audience downloaded and edited to make sense when it played audio only
[1737.7] Frank: Sensors to please the itunes people hosted on the internet forwarded through to your podcast provider
[1742.5] Frank: Downloaded playing on your device and is now playing in your ears all thanks to our patreons
[1748.26] Frank: Consider joining them and you'll also get other online benefits find out more at patreon.com
[1754.74] Frank: Let's drone out
[1757.54] Jack: Caroline and train seekers
[1761.46] Jack: Oh, watch out later
[1764.42] Jack: I can't believe they listed Caroline terry stand-in
[1768.82] Jack: Yeah
[1770.42] Jack: You funny looking terry
[1773.62] Curry: I saw that before we came on there was talk about uh, the geeks of honor people trying to get hold of verden for the
[1782.26] Curry: umpteenth time I cannot believe
[1785.22] Curry: The micros that drone was it now v3 or four is still ongoing
[1792.34] Curry: uh
[1793.3] Curry: I don't think anybody's had
[1795.86] Curry: Any quads, I mean it became
[1798.1] Curry: Slightly irrelevant two years in and another two years on it's like even more irrelevant
[1804.42] Stephen: I don't suppose you own that little brush thing
[1808.5] Curry: Mm-hmm
[1810.26] Curry: Did you remember that time we had him on and we met him
[1813.22] Curry: Yeah at the drone show
[1814.98] Jack: Yeah, you you missed your opportunity to kill him then
[1819.3] Curry: I mean
[1820.74] Curry: weirdly verden's actually quite likeable but in a case of like
[1825.38] Curry: If you meet a mad person that believes around bullshit
[1828.26] Curry: They can also be quite likeable and he was convinced that all these things were absolute genius
[1833.86] Curry: And he was really enthusiastic about it and that enthusiasm was kind of catching
[1838.34] Curry: and he didn't like to point out that um
[1841.46] Curry: Yeah, it's not that and even when I did point out it's not that and he said do you still stand by that?
[1845.06] Curry: And i'm like, yeah, and he's like no you can't it's brilliant
[1849.3] Curry: He's a weird one. Oh, he's turned up apparently
[1851.78] Stephen: Well, it's nice that people have a hobby and they should be allowed to go do that
[1856.1] Stephen: It's just a shame if they insist that their hobby should be used by thousands of other people
[1862.1] Curry: That gets to be a bit more in dispute. Well, we ended up doing a whole show about um
[1867.6] Curry: Kickstarters and similar ilk, didn't we and and the general message is buyer beware
[1874.74] Curry: Uh, you're you're investing in someone's idea don't necessarily expect to get the product
[1880.18] Stephen: But that didn't stop even if you do get the process it's like buying it on a random flea market
[1885.62] Stephen: It's not like you're going into a store and you've got proper support. You've effectively given someone
[1890.82] Stephen: Cash for a prototype and there's no guarantee that that prototype's going to stand the test at the time or they'll stand behind it in future
[1897.94] Stephen: Or or even that it gets made
[1900.42] Stephen: Yeah
[1901.46] Curry: That is the problem
[1902.58] Stephen: There's a couple of sites aren't there and some of them give you a money back if they don't actually
[1907.3] Stephen: Reach the target and with others. It's just like yeah, your money's gone the instant if they don't reach the target
[1913.38] Curry: It doesn't go ahead and you get your money back if it reaches the target
[1917.3] Curry: they ship the money off to them and they
[1920.34] Curry: They give updates and
[1922.42] Curry: Do what they do, but you know if their business plan is wrong
[1926.34] Curry: If they spunk all the money up the wall and say look we tried we didn't do it
[1931.22] Stephen: There's business plan business plan is to send all the money to this account and the caimans and then yeah, we've got a meeting
[1938.26] Stephen: Where well not here. See ya
[1940.42] Stephen: Bye because there was a thing with kickstarter and then kickstarter were getting really sick of these projects and they moved them into
[1947.94] Stephen: To a different channel, right?
[1950.1] Stephen: Not a different channel a different website people started to
[1954.42] Stephen: To not be kickstarters for hardware stuff
[1959.82] Curry: Um, I mean his one wasn't kickstarter was it was the other one
[1963.26] Curry: What was it called?
[1964.78] Curry: thingy
[1965.98] Stephen: Something I think kickstarter actually had a lot of blowback from from those reputationally
[1973.91] Curry: Yeah, I mean it's not something I
[1976.71] Curry: Jump on very often at all at all so far. My wife did once I started getting random like
[1982.23] Curry: Why have we paid 90 pounds to this kickstarter project? Have we been scammed? I started calling the bank saying what's going on?
[1987.75] Curry: She's like no
[1988.95] Curry: I backed a project
[1991.91] Curry: Weird crazy what really yeah pippa backed a project about
[2000.23] Curry: It was something to do with something you're having like medical experts actually answer
[2005.75] Curry: medical questions
[2007.59] Curry: It's it's basically trying to stop
[2010.87] Curry: uh
[2011.91] Curry: the idea of people generating
[2014.71] Curry: Rumors about medical stuff and incentivizing like medical experts to actually talk about it
[2020.15] Curry: Which it's it's a bit like when um, you meet someone like about coronavirus like tony who say things like do the research
[2027.51] Curry: It's like well not a phd like biochemist. So I don't know if that's appropriate to there. He is
[2033.75] Curry: It's so far he's alive
[2036.23] Curry: But it wouldn't surprise me if we read about this terrible accident soon
[2039.99] Stephen: Yeah
[2041.27] Stephen: Yeah
[2042.23] Stephen: For no apparent reason this man's head fell off last tuesday
[2045.83] Stephen: Experts are still consulting as to why this happened
[2049.35] Stephen: It's done an impressive amount of work. I mean he he's a machinist by trade and he's a pretty accomplished one
[2056.23] Curry: It's really impressive. But part of the reason I like to fly models
[2060.87] Curry: Is because it's all the thrills with none of the risk to my life
[2065.83] Curry: When I think about putting myself
[2069.27] Curry: In a light aircraft
[2070.95] Curry: Then I go like people like do you not want to fly in real life? It's like no i've been in a like a cesna
[2077.91] Curry: It's it's a horrible. It's like a terrible fairground ride where you think you're going to die all the time
[2082.47] Curry: Yeah, it's like when you're making it as well. They can be smooth but
[2087.51] Curry: Too much too much can go
[2089.27] Stephen: You remember being like under the age of 20 when one of your mates thought they had a cool car and it was a banger
[2094.23] Stephen: And they drove it way too fast to try and impress you
[2096.95] Stephen: It's it's like that isn't it being an assessor like are you sure this thing is going to be one piece by the time?
[2102.95] Stephen: We finish this trip
[2104.79] Curry: Yeah, and i've been in loads of accidents because my friends
[2108.07] Curry: Were driving around the cars and like oh we've crashed into another car. Oh
[2113.03] Curry: gary, I notice you've
[2115.03] Curry: Was set like this
[2116.47] Curry: In a ditch saying um, did you not see that turning then? It's like we're literally
[2121.51] Curry: In a ditch filling up with water in the middle of the countryside. It's like well, there's no imagine you're riding this contraption
[2129.27] Curry: Yeah
[2132.23] Curry: I kind of feel like if you're gonna do it
[2134.95] Curry: commit
[2135.99] Curry: Go up high fly around because what he's doing he's basically going around trying to hover isn't he?
[2140.87] Curry: And it's always going to look flaky because hovering
[2144.87] Curry: Something like that is going to be tricky
[2147.35] Curry: And he's got that
[2149.75] Curry: your proper
[2151.51] Curry: Helicopter has got some sort of uh special jar of stabilization to like to keep the tail in and all sorts of stuff like that
[2157.03] Curry: So he's going to always struggle with it. It might look better if he goes up like 100 feet buzzard around a few fields
[2163.19] Stephen: Why it's like if you build a heli that's got like
[2167.03] Stephen: I don't know a model heli with a 40 centimeter prop or something and you can put a flight control on that
[2172.79] Stephen: Why not just put a flight control on it and have it gyro stabilized?
[2176.07] Stephen: Why is he trying to manually stabilize it just seems like that's all the risk and none of the reward
[2182.79] Curry: Because he has to he's he hasn't got his direct control to that is literally he's got this stick
[2190.63] Curry: Eventually, he's got the motor on a stick and he moves to stick back and forth left and right
[2196.07] Curry: In order to to decide which way he's going. So that would be
[2200.55] Stephen: So he's moved to fly by wire to start with and servo stabilize the the motor and when he's got the motor on servos
[2207.19] Stephen: They need to be pretty chunky servos and then he could consider it need to be chunky servos
[2212.47] Curry: but um, and then
[2215.03] Curry: the
[2216.63] Curry: the um the tail works by
[2219.91] Curry: Varying the speed of one of the props I think and this sort of thing
[2223.99] Curry: Uh, we've we've asked peter spiro. He doesn't or shrieple. He doesn't answer emails. I'm afraid
[2229.27] Curry: He'd be a great guest
[2231.03] Stephen: It's too busy doing backstroke in his pool of money
[2234.39] Curry: Yeah
[2236.79] Curry: stuff thing
[2238.55] Curry: This thing when you make it you make it that's it to quickly answer carl c's question my my heli flying
[2245.35] Curry: I'm just waiting to go back out in the field and and fly it some more. It does need
[2249.83] Curry: Quite a calm day
[2251.51] Curry: that the heli
[2253.19] Curry: even though it's like 110
[2255.43] Curry: mil big
[2256.87] Curry: Handles wind quite well in the hands of an expert pilot in the hands of beginner. It can be a bit of a liability
[2264.07] Curry: And it tends to you know, how you can like stop a quad on a dime if you want to it's like
[2270.07] Curry: With the heli I tried to do the same thing and it kept coming. It's like oh, it's gonna hit my face
[2275.43] Curry: It takes a little bit more to spin around especially that sort of thing. So if if the wind's coming at me
[2281.27] Curry: Then that's bad
[2282.55] Stephen: If the wind's going away is that something trying to smooth out the controls and stop you skid stopping the heli?
[2288.87] Curry: Because it's too violent or what no because I I started off in this giro mode
[2293.59] Curry: Which is basically equivalent to like an angle mode thing. But now i've moved over to
[2299.03] Curry: Oh, did I send you that one still got it
[2301.91] Curry: Still got it. I've moved out the proper 3d mode. Although not flying 3d. It's essentially
[2307.67] Curry: like flying acro
[2309.67] Curry: Right
[2310.63] Stephen: That's like constant head speed and you're changing the collective to go up and down
[2315.59] Curry: the
[2316.55] Curry: The head speed's not constant
[2319.03] Curry: Um, it's linked to a throttle curve. You can make it constant with the idle up switch
[2324.07] Curry: But then it goes to 100 which sounds frightening
[2327.11] Stephen: So I haven't gone there. Yeah, there's usually a couple of switches like for head speed
[2330.39] Stephen: So you could set constant head speed but 60 percent head speed or something
[2335.43] Curry: Oh, you could do
[2336.87] Curry: But um that I suppose the whole idea of idle up is it's completely controlled by
[2342.07] Curry: The collective pitch and so right, you know, you're going to vary your collective based on how fast you want it to go
[2348.23] Curry: Up and down and stuff and j did recently do a heli video. I watched it. Yeah, he's got one of those. Um
[2353.51] Jack: He's still alive
[2355.99] Curry: Yeah, he's he's off touring again. I've been looking at his instagram and he's he's off with
[2360.63] Curry: Good old kim doing his thing with his guitar
[2364.87] Stephen: Whatever
[2367.11] Stephen: I know
[2368.79] Stephen: so heli flights him I actually uh
[2372.55] Stephen: Tried to do some heli flights him stuff
[2377.03] Stephen: against my um
[2379.51] Stephen: instincts because i'm pretty terrible at it
[2382.63] Stephen: and
[2383.51] Stephen: The one I found that was the easiest to get hold of and I think the best was at qrc too
[2390.39] Stephen: And you can get a demo of it
[2392.71] Stephen: Give it a go
[2395.99] Stephen: Um, and yeah, you can crash a heli more times than your bank accounts can sustain all
[2402.87] Stephen: In one session without worrying about things it. I don't know if it's realistic. I've never flown a heli other than comedy helis like toy helis
[2411.35] Curry: Oh, yeah, I think you mentioned that well last time I kept trying to check it out and i've I've forgotten
[2415.59] Curry: The one that i'm using was called or is called
[2419.19] Curry: i'm looking for it in my
[2421.35] Curry: List of apps here. I can't find it
[2424.15] Curry: It's like called x
[2425.67] Curry: Heli or something like that heli something
[2429.83] Curry: Where's my search bar
[2435.4] Jack: I didn't touch it if that's what you mean
[2438.52] Curry: Yeah, helis dash x 10 where there is also a um a free version with like
[2444.6] Curry: Three or four helis in a couple of planes and that right that feels not bad
[2449.4] Curry: I think the problem always in sims is
[2453.4] Curry: The the lack of risk and often there's a lack of wind
[2457.54] Curry: considerations
[2458.84] Curry: um is you you tend to
[2461.72] Curry: Be able to to just automatically risk and commit more without worrying about it
[2467.16] Curry: Which is quite good for sort of figuring out
[2469.48] Curry: Your your general muscle memory
[2471.64] Curry: And things it's still so hard as a quad pilot to get past the
[2476.76] Curry: Drop the throttle in the first case of an instant problem
[2481.48] Curry: Um, because of course and on a heli situation that will sort of dive the heli down more fortunately on my on my throttle
[2489.08] Curry: that the throttle down is like
[2491.4] Curry: zero throttle at least so it just drops out of the sky, but
[2494.6] Stephen: I was going to ask if your model has kind of an o
[2498.28] Stephen: Insert expletive button that just freezes it
[2503.46] Curry: Uh, no, I mean I could I could flick it back into gyro mode
[2508.5] Curry: And it will sort of self-right itself and well altitude hold
[2512.18] Curry: There's no altitude hold now. It's not that it's not that complicated
[2515.46] Curry: But often the case of when when i'm in the midst of like i've got my oh
[2519.86] Curry: Time i'm flying reasonably low so I can keep
[2524.5] Curry: A decent look of what's happening and not too far away because it's only little
[2529.14] Curry: If I was up high then i'd like lose orientation a bit quick and struggle. So often it's case when i'm coming into the corner
[2536.9] Curry: Bad things happen and I lose it there. I did talk to nj who watched my last video and he said you've got to
[2542.9] Curry: Just commit on it
[2544.58] Curry: and rescue it and
[2546.82] Curry: Use the tail
[2548.34] Curry: Much much more than the roll. Don't don't think about coordinating the turn so much
[2552.74] Curry: And just bring the tail around and let it follow so i've got some some extra bits to do
[2558.34] Stephen: Yeah, that's surprising me, but it makes a lot of sense when you think about how a heli is built
[2562.9] Curry: Um, it's got so much more authority. Sorry is is mentioning rc life on have you guys been watching him?
[2569.3] Curry: No, i'm using he was trying to he's the guy that made the um, the sort of rc surfboard
[2575.22] Curry: Just kept sticking. I heard of motors and things and he recently I watched on today. We tried to make a
[2583.06] Curry: Jesus christ, what'd you call it when that when the board comes out of the water on a hydrofoil?
[2587.22] Curry: He tried to make a hydrofoil board and the first thing he did is is did this 3d print of a hydrofoil which I thought
[2593.7] Curry: That's not going to work. It's really long and thin and the instant he put power on it. The whole thing just cracked
[2600.58] Curry: But um, he he he got it going in the water, but he didn't get up on the on the hydrofoil
[2607.06] Stephen: He's got some pretty interesting stuff. Actually
[2609.78] Stephen: Um, one of the things that I watched recently
[2613.14] Stephen: Which he did was an underwater drone where he took drone parts and he just straight up
[2618.82] Stephen: light made a submarine
[2620.82] Stephen: 3d printed a sub
[2622.58] Curry: And then oh, yeah, that didn't work. Particularly blind it
[2625.62] Jack: last light
[2626.74] Jack: That's some serious thunder to you
[2628.74] Jack: But the vibes right there
[2633.03] Curry: So he used did did he on that one? Did he use the floating the tether idea where he's like got the
[2640.47] Curry: Instead of having the whole thing tethered. Yeah, he's got a tether there
[2644.95] Curry: Oh, I thought the tether was just for the um
[2648.47] Curry: Just to get the antenna up above on the on the top of the water. Yeah, I don't I think the tether is purely for control
[2653.99] Stephen: Because obviously you just can't punch through water. It's like trying to punch rf through steel sheets
[2659.91] Stephen: It's a lot of work
[2661.75] Stephen: Yeah, I think he ended up just frying it repeatedly because he wasn't actually able to seal it properly
[2668.39] Curry: That seems to be is he's always doing stuff in water and so far he hasn't really
[2674.23] Curry: Had had a good situation
[2676.23] Curry: It's kind of cool
[2677.91] Jack: Yeah, it does look neat
[2680.55] Curry: Yeah
[2681.51] Curry: That I mean there are some open source projects. There's one called open rov
[2686.31] Curry: That goes to uh do this sort of thing
[2689.83] Curry: but it's nice to think you can
[2692.07] Curry: I say it's nice to think you can make it with your basic 3d printed bits and a bit of silicone, but he's flooded awfully
[2698.63] Stephen: Yeah
[2699.27] Stephen: The good thing is the motor's obviously a waterproof
[2701.75] Stephen: So if you could only like really seal it up, I think what he's done wrong is he puts all his faith in the outer shell
[2707.99] Stephen: Whereas like real subs the outer shell is just like a bumper basically and then they've got an inner shell
[2715.11] Stephen: Inside of that so that if you smack the outer shell and get a few drips of water in it
[2719.75] Stephen: No, great shakes
[2721.19] Stephen: And so it's okay until the inner hulls breach, right?
[2725.03] Stephen: But anyways, that's an interesting idea. He'll be a cool guest to have on for sure
[2732.46] Jack: There you go. There's tony. Hello tony
[2736.7] Jack: Or is it really tony? We don't know tony could have died and someone else is right
[2742.06] Stephen: It could be yeah, it could be as evil twin
[2745.9] Stephen: manner
[2747.18] Stephen: Could be a clone
[2749.66] Stephen: Could be tony for ultimate dimension who thinks the world is round
[2753.9] Stephen: Robo tits tony
[2756.46] Curry: His brother looks exactly the same. He could just be
[2759.66] Jack: Yeah
[2760.78] Jack: He's done a mustache
[2762.62] Stephen: Yeah
[2763.66] Stephen: Be shaved so
[2766.78] Jack: Yeah, that's the only way we can tell the real tony because of the scar on the chin
[2773.1] Stephen: Um, yeah, so I was talking about nj's video curry
[2776.3] Stephen: I did a a brief bit of research the one you've got the xk looks like a great place to start for beginners
[2782.62] Stephen: But it became apparent doing a bit of reading that
[2785.82] Stephen: Omp hobby is like where you go if you fancy yourself a bit of a heli pilot after having uh
[2792.06] Stephen: got through
[2793.18] Stephen: a few crashes
[2794.78] Stephen: And the the latest video is got is the omp hobby m2 evo, which is an update to the m2
[2801.58] Stephen: With slightly bigger motors a longer tail and other bits and bobs and yeah, I did actually watch the video. I think a while ago
[2808.94] Curry: Yeah, nj sent me
[2811.58] Curry: A video of his one of his new omp machines
[2816.06] Curry: Um, and he was flying it
[2818.22] Curry: Uh, I think in his house in like a thin hallway
[2822.38] Curry: Well, it's like well, that's looks a bit thin for people just spinning it around and doing nj things
[2827.98] Curry: And he's like look I can just put the control on on the ground because it's so stable
[2832.54] Curry: It will just it will just sit there and he's like these these are really good
[2836.22] Curry: Yeah, so only
[2838.86] Jack: Yeah, a good thing. Did did any of you guys catch the the rl stuff?
[2845.66] Jack: Nah, what happened?
[2848.14] Jack: I don't I I don't know. I didn't really follow it. I heard
[2851.98] Jack: I heard a few people like mention it and they're just as far as I know they're
[2857.74] Jack: They're just like up in the the sort of like drama of it
[2862.62] Jack: You know and like rivalry between the the pilots
[2867.98] Jack: But yeah, it's about it. Really. I just thought i'd show a little
[2872.86] Jack: Yeah, little few little clips and that but
[2877.02] Stephen: I didn't really kind of have trouble with the amount of punditry
[2881.34] Stephen: If I if I could see a show that was like 20 minutes of just people racing i'd watch it
[2886.78] Stephen: But if they spend ages like hyping it up and talking about the pilots
[2891.1] Stephen: And if they cut the pilots like sitting there wearing goggles in the middle of a race and don't just show me the camera
[2896.78] Stephen: I just I just don't care
[2899.1] Jack: Yeah
[2901.58] Jack: If you like leds then
[2905.74] Stephen: You know which takes us to the land speeder stuff, right?
[2908.78] Stephen: So the crashtastic land speeder people have actually been flying their crashtastic land speeders round in a crashtastic race
[2916.62] Stephen: No way really. Yeah, and it was so oh my god
[2920.94] Stephen: The camera the camera work could have been done by
[2924.3] Stephen: an mtv
[2925.66] Stephen: Cameraman with ADHD
[2927.5] Stephen: So you got like three seconds in cockpit and you could glance at the speedo and it's doing like 70 kilometers an hour
[2934.14] Stephen: And then they cut to someone in the pit shouting into a mic and then they cut to someone holding a radio
[2938.7] Stephen: They cut to someone like pulling an expression and they cut back and they they've moved like three meters forward
[2944.46] Stephen: There's still light going along in a straight line at 70 kmh
[2948.3] Stephen: And then they cut back to someone shouting into a mic and it was all like oh, it was just exhausting to watch
[2953.34] Stephen: You you didn't get enough camera footage to actually tell how the things were flying
[2958.94] Stephen: They probably had
[2960.14] Stephen: 30 seconds footage total of actual flight in the absence. That's all they managed
[2965.9] Stephen: Yeah, that's probably all they managed for soldering going about
[2969.34] UNKNOWN: I
[2970.62] Stephen: Did notice when they were cornering they slowed down to something like 30 kilometers an hour
[2976.46] Stephen: So they're still very much in test phase. They're not letting these things rip. I didn't say any speeds in triple digits
[2982.54] Stephen: It was all 70 kilometers an hour under
[2985.74] Stephen: so
[2986.86] Stephen: They've got it up in the air. They've not decapitated anyone, which is good
[2990.7] Stephen: Um, they haven't landed on anyone. So if they manage a couple seasons without fatalities, no, no, no, not
[2997.18] Stephen: Oh, that's not the no, that's not the land speeder guys. That's the guy
[3002.86] Curry: It's just a man that's out
[3005.66] Stephen: He got this thing on the highway didn't he he's just like driving along a road like waving at people as he overtakes them
[3013.1] Curry: Guys, I can't even remember what the thing's cool. It's it's a
[3016.7] Curry: Pulse jet he's out of pole jetting Bruce with these things
[3019.5] Curry: I like the fact these things literally glow to the point that they melt
[3023.02] Curry: And he's like, oh, it's like oh you're on fire
[3026.22] Curry: It's fine. Don't worry
[3029.18] Stephen: Pulse jets are really basic, right? They're highly inefficient
[3033.74] Curry: Oh, yeah
[3034.94] Curry: Super noisy and they get no moving parts
[3037.5] Stephen: This is what Colin first was building just to make stupid amounts of noise, right?
[3044.04] Curry: Oh, he's definitely does one jet stuff
[3047.8] Curry: Quite but he also did a I think he's had the best
[3051.88] Curry: Um
[3053.24] Curry: idea of self-propelled
[3055.64] Curry: Quadcopter where he just had a bicoptera in fact and tried riding it like a motorbike, which was mental
[3062.44] Stephen: And somehow yes, I saw that that that was pretty awesome
[3066.6] Stephen: Yeah
[3067.48] Stephen: Wow, I think he's actually fairly safe. He started as a plumber, right?
[3071.4] Stephen: So he's got all his gas safe
[3073.32] Stephen: He knows actually how to connect these things together and he knows what's going to happen if it goes wrong
[3078.04] Stephen: So for all the daredevil
[3080.92] Stephen: Stuff I think he's actually he's pretty yeah, he knows what he's doing, but he still goes
[3085.72] Curry: Very fast on very dodgy vehicles, but he's in the last year. He's been building his tunnel, which has been a
[3091.96] Curry: bit of an epic
[3093.64] Curry: uh building project anyway
[3095.16] Stephen: I like the way how he dug the tunnel and then he announced that he'd uh bothered to put in for planning permission
[3101.0] Stephen: After he dug it say hey, guess what? I can now show you this
[3105.0] Stephen: because
[3106.04] Stephen: They approved the planning permission
[3108.84] Curry: Do I need to plan to fill it up with concrete? I just dug a hole really it's saying whatever
[3116.04] Stephen: Just dug a hole put a bunch of little mine cars in it
[3119.56] Stephen: He wants to do one of those lifters to put his car on a raised platform now
[3123.72] Stephen: So it goes into the driveway and freaking batmobiles it down into a secret area
[3128.84] Curry: It's like a bat cave, but with a delorean
[3131.88] Stephen: Yeah, that's more fun. So better
[3134.2] Curry: Given what they've done to the batmobile recently, so we put colin and the list of guests that we probably won't get either
[3140.28] Jack: Yeah
[3142.92] Jack: Um, I just want to say a special
[3146.26] Jack: Congratulations to the lettuce the lettuce out. I know we don't really get political in the show, but
[3153.16] Jack: the lettuce outlived the um
[3157.64] Jack: Our current prime minister of 45 days
[3161.24] Stephen: Sorry, oh has gone. Oh well done
[3165.56] Curry: Yeah, sorry you watched the news as much as me my daughter had to tell me in a in a group whatsapp
[3172.28] Stephen: Saying apparently that prime minister I did notice that we'd had as many chances of the xjekka between
[3178.74] Stephen: 1993 and 2016 as we did between 2020 and 2022
[3184.76] Stephen: Which just shows how much of a great job they're doing
[3188.2] Jack: It was looking a bit rough
[3192.52] Jack: but
[3194.84] Curry: You know, I didn't know that was the thing can liz trust outlast the lettuce
[3200.2] Jack: I like it. Yeah, and then and then
[3203.4] Jack: You know got breakfast and then it was party time
[3208.36] Jack: And they had sparkle where where is the lettuce I see a bag of gregs but that is the lettuce there
[3215.56] Jack: In the wind. Oh that looks
[3217.88] Stephen: That was a great in the wig
[3220.36] Stephen: It looks like a melon
[3222.28] Jack: I see it was a lettuce
[3224.44] Stephen: Okay
[3226.52] Curry: Give me a cabbage
[3229.56] Jack: Yeah, that's how it started and uh in lettuce we trust
[3237.24] Jack: You know
[3238.84] Jack: The party went on
[3241.24] Jack: And then the letter says thank you
[3243.4] Stephen: Oh, no one voted for no one voted for a lot of people these days. That's a trouble
[3247.24] Curry: I know we don't vote for prime ministers
[3250.2] Stephen: No, we just
[3251.64] Stephen: Pull some ranting posh twit
[3254.2] Stephen: Clean up their backstory and uh throw the lunatic to the crowds to go and grandstand for a couple of hundred days
[3261.72] Stephen: Anyway on on that bombshell
[3265.56] Jack: I think that's all we got time for
[3269.32] Jack: um
[3270.36] Jack: You'll be listed to let's try now
[3272.6] Jack: um, we will try and get a guest on somehow we'll try and find someone
[3278.12] Jack: and uh
[3279.32] Jack: Yeah, we'll sort of like come back and maybe get some topics on the go
[3284.28] Jack: But yeah, it's been it's been one of those weeks. Um, you've been joined. Uh
[3291.32] Jack: By
[3292.52] Jack: By us and I just realized I almost forgot to thank the patreons
[3298.12] Jack: um
[3299.24] Jack: this ldo is
[3301.8] Jack: Sponsored by our lovely patreons that keep this show
[3305.16] Jack: uh non-biased
[3307.48] Jack: And free to say and do as we please and with the the power of our editor
[3314.28] Jack: We get edited
[3315.96] Jack: And if you're listening to this on itunes, it's all nice and
[3320.36] Jack: Neat, and if you want to come and join us live on let's run out. We're live every thursday at eight
[3326.52] Jack: to nine p.m
[3328.36] Jack: um
[3329.4] Jack: And thank you patreons for everything
[3333.32] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten
[3337.0] Jack: Goodbye and hello from previous
[3339.88] Jack: Yeah remix
[3342.04] Jack: and uh
[3344.04] Jack: We've got belle rick or steven
[3346.84] Jack: The last thanks everyone. Thanks to our lovely patreons. Great having you all here
[3351.8] Jack: Yeah, and i've been brought into life lie
[3354.92] Jack: And uh come back and erc and tony. We miss you. Thank you. You've been listening. Let's try now. Thank you. Good night
[3363.08] Jack: Thank you and good night
[3365.16] UNKNOWN: Bye. Bye telemetry lost