=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 374 ===
Title: LDO 374 - Caroline Is On The Show!
Recorded: 2022-10-27
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Caroline Tyler
Total audience: 1,941
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoVCUl0_EuA); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1372646497-letsdroneout-ldo-374-caroline-is-on-the-show.mp3)
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Caroline's channel https://youtube.com/channel/UC8BqVyK7gs6v-rf4598eqKA

[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate, so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello, and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[56.62] Jack: Tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten, the man with the moustache.
[68.14] Jack: And the lady with the he-wing and the sacrificial screwdriver, Caroline, you are our guest for
[78.14] Jack: tonight.
[79.14] Jack: Or maybe you might want to join the ranks of this ******* joke, this is bad enough that
[85.54] Jack: you watch it, you're subjected to it.
[88.54] Jack: I really want to know what the sacrificial screwdriver is, curry, will you please, or
[93.38] Jack: Caroline?
[94.38] Jack: I don't know, yeah, it's your video.
[96.62] Curry: Can you show…
[97.62] Curry: Well, Caroline should explain.
[98.62] Jack: Yeah.
[99.62] Stephen: Well, when you noticed Caroline leaving the chat so much last time, we thought it was
[103.74] Stephen: only fair and proper to get her on the nose.
[106.26] Jack: It almost has got curry to man-splain.
[110.06] Jack: It can't explain more than all of this combined.
[115.02] Caroline: If you want to cut a channel, you heat it up and you just melt the channel you need.
[121.3] Jack: I'd melt the screwdriver, it would just melt out of a handle and then inch straight into
[125.54] Jack: my crotch.
[126.54] Jack: I've already burnt myself, look at that, that's horrible, isn't it, that is a gross
[130.22] Jack: thumb.
[132.22] Curry: No, and I pick this up as a great tip because previously on my wings, I would always have
[137.58] Curry: to cut a line with a scalpel, another line close to it, and then I'd jam my wires in.
[143.22] Curry: I'd get them in eventually, but cutting a decent sized channel is much more useful,
[148.58] Curry: I think, on a wing like that.
[151.78] Stephen: I went so far as to buy a Dremel routing tool, which I've got around here somewhere in my
[155.66] Stephen: just colossal piles of brat.
[158.06] Stephen: I went back there as a Dremel routing tool for that purpose.
[162.98] Jack: I bought a tile cutter adapter thing for a Dremel, but I've not been brave enough to
[178.46] Jack: use it, the Dick Ripper 3000, maybe I should give it a go.
[184.58] Stephen: You sound like someone who needs a leather apron, I just imagine there are lots of things
[188.26] Stephen: that Jack does, he probably wants, or maybe some kind of bomb diffusal outfit.
[192.34] Jack: Do you want to see how much of a nonce I look in my safety goggles?
[199.18] Stephen: Go ahead.
[200.18] Stephen: Caroline, so your sacrificial screwdriver, how do you heat it up that it's hot enough
[204.42] Stephen: to do the job, not so hot that it destroys the wing or the metal bit falls out the plastic
[209.58] Stephen: handle?
[210.58] Stephen: Quite stylish, Jack.
[212.58] Stephen: How do you know when it's the right temperature?
[216.1] Caroline: It's called guessing, fire on hand, because you only heat the tip.
[223.54] Caroline: If you only heat the tip, then the handle doesn't get hot enough to melt the handle.
[229.94] Jack: Or buy a wooden handled screwdriver, it might give you a freebie to even get those.
[235.86] Caroline: It's the official screwdriver that came in the kit, so that will do.
[243.54] Stephen: So Jack, for our audio listeners as well, is also sporting a pair of very stylish safety
[247.74] Stephen: glasses.
[248.74] Jack: Yeah, by Boiler, I think they're French.
[254.58] Stephen: They do snowboarding glasses and things, don't they?
[257.3] Stephen: I've got no idea.
[258.74] Stephen: Yeah, they do goggles for winter sports, I think.
[261.9] Stephen: So might we infer that you're about to do something risky and perhaps involving fire
[267.3] Stephen: for our listeners?
[268.3] Stephen: No.
[269.3] Jack: I can get the old woofler out wherever that's gone.
[273.98] Stephen: He's never used safety goggles in the past.
[276.18] Stephen: Well, yeah, he wears glasses anyway.
[279.3] Caroline: I have one of those fireworks downstairs.
[282.58] Stephen: I have just the one.
[287.54] Stephen: Emergency fire.
[288.54] Stephen: Well, we'll wait until we get our accounts in order before we ask anyone to use an emergency
[292.1] Stephen: firework.
[295.14] Stephen: Things are on a cessation until we figure out what we're supposed to do to keep the
[298.98] Stephen: tax man happy.
[301.98] Stephen: Don't say that out loud.
[307.1] Stephen: That's why we are behaving ourselves.
[309.74] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[310.74] Stephen: Yeah, sure.
[311.74] Jack: We're not accepting any models.
[313.74] Jack: Yeah, no longer.
[316.94] Jack: I found the woofler.
[317.94] Jack: Do you want me to go get some woofle juice?
[321.14] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[322.14] Stephen: Do the woofle juice.
[323.14] Stephen: Do the woofle juice.
[324.14] Stephen: I heard this big life had a woofle explanatory video this week.
[327.66] Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's where it came from.
[331.06] Jack: I think it worked best with hydrogen.
[334.5] Jack: Most things do.
[335.62] Jack: Even more deadly than it already doesn't need to be.
[339.54] Caroline: But that way, the bubbles, because they're lighter, they'll go up and you get a nice
[343.26] Caroline: big column.
[344.26] Caroline: They won't flop over.
[345.26] Stephen: So you can get a nice column of bubbles.
[348.26] Stephen: I think this is detergent, like we could see what foams best.
[353.7] Stephen: I think we haven't really strayed too far from the default.
[357.5] Stephen: We could probably experiment a little bit with Mr. Woofler.
[361.86] Curry: While Jack's finding the woofle juice, shall I give, I've got a lovely film story concerning
[368.14] Curry: RC that ultimately by my friend Bob, who lives in Florida, and he said he saw this on the
[373.94] Curry: news, which I thought was sweet.
[375.84] Curry: Because we always talk about RC's bad and they're all going to get us and it kills babies
[381.12] Curry: all the time and stuff.
[382.12] Curry: Invariably.
[383.12] Curry: Here's a good story.
[384.12] Curry: So this is the setup.
[385.68] Curry: There was this man and woman, high school sweethearts, somewhere in Indiana, and they
[391.76] Curry: literally go their separate ways at high school graduation.
[395.54] Curry: He goes off into the military.
[397.36] Curry: She does something somewhere else.
[398.64] Curry: They both have the families, get married, they have children, et cetera, et cetera.
[403.96] Curry: 50 years on, the guy is now 72.
[407.4] Curry: He's obviously retired.
[408.6] Curry: He's back in Indiana and he's an RC plane flyer.
[412.44] Curry: He was flying his RC plane, little polystyrene model, and he lost it.
[417.6] Curry: Of course, my first thing would say was, where's your lost model beeper?
[421.04] Curry: You should have got that back.
[422.04] Curry: But he did one good thing.
[423.68] Curry: He wrote his phone number on the wing.
[427.6] Curry: A couple of months later, he gets a phone call from a lady who said her granddaughter
[431.68] Curry: and great granddaughters found this plane, and this was the number it had on it, and
[435.8] Curry: is it yours?
[437.12] Curry: It turned out, after they talked to each other, that this is the man and his high school sweetheart,
[443.88] Curry: and suddenly they're back together because of an unseen mishap.
[449.72] Curry: I don't know if this is luck would have it, but somewhat poignantly, they both lost their
[453.96] Curry: respective partners within a month of each other about a year and a half previously.
[458.72] Curry: It's like, oh, we're both free and single.
[461.12] Curry: So they got back together.
[462.12] Caroline: The partners were blasting over the wood, and then they lost them, and they didn't have
[466.88] Caroline: a lost model beeper.
[467.88] Curry: I probably would need a script for that one.
[472.24] Curry: But that's my feel-good story.
[473.76] Curry: I thought that was very sweet.
[477.52] Curry: Interesting coincidence as well.
[480.12] Curry: And is Jack still looking?
[482.16] Curry: I will share this as well, just quickly, because we asked a very, very quick comment last week
[490.96] Curry: was about what's your favorite video from the week, and I couldn't find it.
[496.72] Curry: And then I looked for it earlier, and then I found a follow-up video they did.
[503.92] Curry: And it's possibly one of the ones I talked about previously, if I just find this one
[508.8] Curry: here.
[510.04] Curry: And it is, let's just mute this quickly.
[512.96] Caroline: Oh, they're good.
[513.96] Caroline: That was good.
[514.96] Curry: It's this one.
[515.96] Curry: This is by a group called The Crew, who do this fantastic close proximity chasing on
[523.84] Caroline: a wing.
[524.84] Caroline: Do you want to do something?
[525.84] Caroline: Michael Scott Roo or something?
[526.84] Curry: Yeah.
[527.84] Curry: The...
[528.84] Curry: Oops.
[529.84] Curry: It's just gone funny.
[530.84] Curry: Yeah.
[531.84] Curry: That's him.
[532.84] Curry: And the guy flying it, I just wanted to point out, because it's only got like 400 views
[536.72] Curry: or something.
[537.72] Curry: But I think the piloting skills in this one is fantastic, because you get so much turbulence
[543.8] Curry: on these wings, especially flying them low and through stuff.
[547.16] Curry: And this is absolutely sort of no-fear stuff.
[549.64] Curry: He's going through...
[550.64] Stephen: There's one where he's flying through buildings, and he goes under some little tunnels, and
[554.8] Stephen: he's actually being followed by a quad.
[556.8] Stephen: Yeah.
[557.8] Curry: Yeah.
[558.8] Curry: So yeah, you follow it for the quad for the nice stable footage.
[561.64] Curry: But he's going so low, and he's just going straight through buildings and stuff.
[566.56] Caroline: You can see it's like a circuit they do, so they know the course exactly.
[571.48] Curry: Yeah.
[572.48] Curry: Yeah.
[574.16] Curry: Yeah, you've got it.
[575.16] Curry: And this is how I used to fly.
[576.76] Curry: When I did chase flights with my friend, we always used to come up with a circuit, and
[579.84] Curry: we'd fly it and fly it, and get faster and faster.
[582.36] Curry: This bit, this bit.
[583.36] Curry: And that's just...
[584.36] Curry: That bit's amazing.
[585.36] Curry: And he does it completely then at night as well.
[589.0] Curry: And this is called a right-wing Hawkmoth.
[592.64] Curry: So the actual wing itself is basically like a big load of holes, all those holes in there.
[599.36] Curry: You can basically fill with LEDs and make it completely light up during the night.
[604.76] Curry: I think it's fantastic.
[605.76] Curry: It does look wonderful.
[606.76] Caroline: There's another one he did.
[607.76] Stephen: There's another flight it's casting on the road.
[608.76] Caroline: It's great.
[609.76] Caroline: Yeah.
[610.76] Caroline: There was another one he did where part of the circuit is actually flying down through
[613.44] Caroline: the entrance of basically a shopping mall.
[617.52] Caroline: So right down the side of it.
[619.6] Stephen: Yeah.
[620.6] Caroline: Yeah, that's what the reality is.
[623.64] Caroline: Ended up with a crash into it, but it was worth it.
[626.52] Curry: I think so.
[627.6] Curry: I'd love to.
[628.92] Curry: I'd love to see some of the DVR from this to see how it looks from the wing point of
[632.4] Curry: view.
[633.4] Curry: I do notice they're going at dusk and at night and that's pretty much the best time of day
[639.0] Curry: you're going to get because the wind tends to drop right down at that time and you get
[642.52] Curry: a really nice piece of the world.
[645.48] Caroline: And the LEDs look good.
[647.48] Curry: And the LEDs are fantastic.
[649.48] Curry: I can't find my propellant.
[652.0] Curry: The back that looks like rockets.
[653.0] Curry: That's okay.
[654.0] Curry: You can't find it.
[655.0] Jack: I can't find the propellant.
[657.96] Jack: No.
[659.96] Jack: You got any hydrogen?
[661.96] Stephen: No.
[662.96] Stephen: You don't.
[663.96] Caroline: Two electrodes.
[664.96] Caroline: Power.
[665.96] Stephen: I was going to go in videos of the week.
[668.88] Stephen: The one that caught my attention was from Alka Motors.
[671.84] Stephen: We're all familiar with ESC beeps, but this guy actually managed to program 8-bit audio.
[679.6] Stephen: He programmed it so that ESC speaks and says one, two, three, four.
[685.0] Stephen: Yeah.
[687.0] Stephen: Pretty neat.
[688.0] Stephen: Yeah, so apparently the reason it's not used a lot is because there's not enough space
[691.0] Stephen: to store audio in most of the ESCs, you only get like one second, but because the chip
[698.12] Stephen: shortage people are moving to different chips, so there might be enough space to actually
[701.68] Stephen: store like musing full-on audio clips on ESCs soon.
[705.12] Stephen: I think that'd be a good call.
[707.76] Caroline: That's useful.
[708.76] Stephen: Yeah, totally useless.
[710.84] Stephen: But I want to see Amiga trackers come back reinvented with a four-note polyphony on electronic
[717.12] Stephen: speed controllers.
[718.12] Caroline: That one does the Star Wars entrance, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.
[725.12] Caroline: Yeah, that's funny.
[726.12] Caroline: And each of the motors has a different track.
[728.96] Curry: I don't know.
[731.04] Curry: Called me old-fashioned, but I'm pretty happy with just the doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo,
[735.36] Curry: and count for the things.
[736.8] Curry: Only because, like, as fun and cool as it is to play music, it's like, okay, I'll just
[741.84] Curry: have to wait for the track to be over before I can take off.
[744.32] Stephen: I did have a problem on the bench where I was troubleshooting stuff and it was spending
[748.2] Stephen: so long playing, I just had to change the melody so I could actually troubleshoot the
[751.68] Stephen: problem without waiting for the start-up tune to finish playing.
[756.36] Stephen: I was a bit dumb.
[757.36] Caroline: You've been flying this week.
[759.32] Caroline: I haven't.
[760.32] Stephen: A little bit.
[761.48] Stephen: You haven't a little bit.
[763.0] Caroline: Not this week.
[764.0] Caroline: Not me.
[765.0] Caroline: What did you manage here?
[767.04] Caroline: Not this week.
[768.04] Caroline: That's the thing I couldn't buy this week.
[770.0] Stephen: Easily.
[771.0] Stephen: I just went out to the park and flew.
[774.4] Stephen: Oh.
[775.4] Jack: Micro.
[776.4] Jack: Yeah.
[777.4] Stephen: Just a little 3S jobbie.
[779.0] Stephen: I took a couple of quads out and had a little rep around.
[782.32] Jack: Nice.
[783.32] Stephen: All right.
[784.32] Stephen: Yeah.
[785.32] Stephen: When the sun was out for a brief spell, got out lunch on Monday.
[788.24] Jack: Yeah.
[789.24] Jack: It was a nice day today, but it was a little bit on the gusty side.
[793.16] Jack: It was a bit windy.
[794.92] Curry: I've still been stuck in bathroom hell this week.
[798.72] Curry: It's literally finished today.
[800.72] Curry: We have signed off and said we accept that the bathroom is finished.
[804.6] Curry: I will no longer have to stay in the house and communicate with bathroom accessories
[811.2] Curry: and which ways they want tiles up and down and things.
[814.84] Jack: I can't think of anything worse for you.
[817.24] Jack: Yeah.
[818.24] Curry: It was not good.
[819.96] Stephen: Yeah.
[820.96] Stephen: I didn't find much actual use for ESC tunes, but there was one use I did find after petitioning
[826.32] Stephen: the guy who did Bluejay.
[827.72] Stephen: He did this PR where it would play the startup melody if you set the beacon to a specific
[833.72] Stephen: value.
[835.04] Stephen: Then I loaded up Rick Astley as the startup tune and you could land in front of people
[840.16] Stephen: and flip the beeper on and then Rick roll them and then take off and fly away.
[844.48] Stephen: Oh, man.
[845.48] Caroline: That's awesome.
[847.08] Caroline: That is the best use of it.
[850.52] Caroline: That was the only use.
[855.52] Jack: I assume you can't assign like a couple of tracks to it so you could answer questions
[861.68] Jack: like yes, no, and like communicate because obviously you've got audio on and you've got
[870.0] Stephen: five.
[871.56] Stephen: You've got five tones you can pick from.
[873.64] Stephen: So technically you could do it if you only had enough storage space, but it just becomes
[878.12] Stephen: like, why the hell am I implementing this if you talk to the ESC authors, developers?
[886.0] Stephen: Yeah, that's more important things they've got to worry about.
[889.16] Curry: Maybe you should just strap like a walkie talkie to it and sort of shout at people.
[895.24] Jack: Another frequency you're taking up.
[898.36] Curry: Yeah, you just get a radio on like 433.
[902.08] Curry: There's a joke is around just say run faster, that sort of thing.
[906.92] Stephen: But do you remember when radio's audio first appeared and radios didn't come with like
[912.32] Stephen: proper speakers, they just had a beeper instead of audio playback.
[915.76] Stephen: What for Morse code?
[918.4] Stephen: No, I mean, just beeps when it turns on and yeah, like the beeps instead of speaking.
[923.92] Curry: Well, the good old 9x did that.
[926.0] Curry: And I remember having beeps for loss of telemetry.
[929.6] Curry: And then my fat shark started beeping.
[931.44] Curry: And I was like, hang on, I'm trying to count the beeps here.
[933.72] Curry: And there's too many going on to try and figure out what's going on.
[936.36] Stephen: So there is a board that you can get, which is used to like add audio playback to radios
[941.56] Stephen: that don't have audio.
[942.84] Stephen: And it's a little microcontroller with an SD card and a speaker output.
[947.52] Stephen: And you can connect it to an amplifier.
[949.16] Stephen: Some of them come with amplifiers like that job.
[952.24] Stephen: And you can add audio to it.
[953.44] Stephen: And I've got one of these as a standalone and I've got it.
[956.24] Stephen: So when I set power to it, it just starts playing the audio clip.
[959.28] Stephen: So I thought about putting one of them on a quad and put it to like a pin I.O.
[962.84] Stephen: or like a servo output.
[964.68] Stephen: And you could toggle a speaker based on that.
[969.4] Jack: I don't know.
[970.04] Jack: It might be funny to like get a stick extended on the front of your drone with like a
[975.16] Jack: mousebar on it and then chase around joggers with the thing like, come on, yeah, yeah.
[983.48] Jack: It would be quite funny.
[985.0] Jack: I wrote a riots next project episode drone with megaphone.
[989.08] Jack: I know.
[989.56] Caroline: The Fimi X8 2022 version actually has a speaker.
[995.64] Caroline: You can use your phone and talk to it and it will relay it to the drone.
[1000.92] Stephen: That's nice.
[1002.28] Stephen: That's asking for a view.
[1003.48] Stephen: Really pointless.
[1006.36] Stephen: Can you hear what the other people are saying, though?
[1008.04] Stephen: You wouldn't be able to hear it.
[1010.0] Caroline: Yes, it's a two way.
[1012.52] Caroline: So, Stephen, snap.
[1014.4] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1015.28] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1017.24] Stephen: You got the lovely yellow radio.
[1018.76] Stephen: The yellow.
[1019.68] Stephen: So what's my favorite go to micro ages ago?
[1022.56] Stephen: I built this using a pickle frame from let drone club and it's got a really old nameless
[1030.28] Stephen: RC AIO, one of the really early ones that doesn't enter DFU mode properly.
[1036.44] Stephen: Um, and, and, and 1104 motors to be an oddball that emacs have on props.
[1041.32] Stephen: And I love flying it and it, it seems to be indestructible touch word, you know, I'm
[1045.44] Stephen: sure it isn't, but that's fun to fly.
[1047.84] Stephen: But the camera's a bit bobbins.
[1049.2] Stephen: My latest creation, which I've been doing most flying on is this alpha one one five
[1055.08] Stephen: cheapo frame from Bangor rally express that I've managed to get a little GPS unit mounted
[1060.76] Stephen: on the front.
[1061.24] Stephen: So it looks just like a smaller version of a five inch and it's got a little retail in
[1064.88] Stephen: there.
[1065.44] Stephen: Cadex retail and it's got 12 oh two point five motors.
[1069.76] Stephen: Um, yeah.
[1070.48] Stephen: And then the tiniest GPS receiver and everything in there.
[1073.2] Stephen: So that's my go to at the moment because I keep telling myself that I'm going to test
[1077.56] Stephen: GPS rescue, except whenever I get to the field, I just think, ah, screw it.
[1082.24] Stephen: And GPS takes too long to lock onto the satellite.
[1084.48] Stephen: So I just go and fly and then I never get around to testing GPS.
[1088.64] Curry: What sort of GPS is that?
[1089.68] Curry: Like a beat to 180 or something?
[1092.04] Stephen: Yeah, no, it's way smaller.
[1093.72] Stephen: So you don't appreciate the scale of this frame.
[1095.72] Stephen: And this is that's a that's 115 mil frame is tiny.
[1100.84] Stephen: So that is not a beat and 180 that is a 12 millimeter active antenna.
[1105.72] Stephen: So the beta one eighties are 23 mil antenna.
[1108.36] Stephen: That's like a quarter of the size and the 180 and it's got a separate.
[1112.56] Stephen: It's got a separate PCB that does the GPS nuzzle nuzzled up there by the camera.
[1118.88] Stephen: It's not picking up particularly well, but there's a board at the front of the quad on the
[1122.68] Stephen: left hand side of that image, which is the actual GPS PCB.
[1126.24] Stephen: And it's got a separate active antenna and it works.
[1129.52] Stephen: I managed to get eight satellites inside, but I've had to screw around a lot to try
[1135.0] Stephen: and get a clean signal, which has contributed to my inability to test GPS rescue.
[1142.38] Jack: Do you need to do it, man?
[1143.74] Jack: Do you need to be brave?
[1146.46] Stephen: Yeah, there's been so much work put into it.
[1149.62] Stephen: I've got to test it.
[1150.54] Stephen: It's just when you get out to the field and you're like, oh, it's the weather's nice.
[1153.82] Stephen: And I should test this thing.
[1155.22] Stephen: And then you just like realize that you've ripped two batteries and you've run out of time.
[1160.1] Stephen: You didn't get around to testing things.
[1161.5] Stephen: You're enjoying yourself, which is the whole point of it.
[1164.9] Caroline: Was it you, Wayne, that was wrapping the cables in tin foil and putting grounds on them and everything?
[1172.18] Curry: Yeah, I had, I had this.
[1176.3] Curry: What was it?
[1176.98] Curry: It was not my, no, no, it was, it was on the little, I forgot what
[1183.74] Curry: the name of the thing is now.
[1184.74] Curry: Just want to pick out that.
[1186.58] Curry: Yeah, I changed over the the flight controller to this
[1194.14] Curry: Rush FPV one and it just wiped the satellite reception out completely.
[1199.38] Curry: And I watched a bunch of videos about like this.
[1202.3] Curry: I've had it before, you know, you've had to move the antenna around and stuff,
[1205.98] Curry: but someone said about like wrapping it, not just wrapping a cup of foil,
[1209.38] Curry: but then grounding the cup of foil and soldering in.
[1214.02] Curry: And that worked, it sounded, I was like, I don't believe this.
[1218.1] Curry: I did it.
[1218.58] Curry: Apparently, A-Shield did it.
[1219.98] Jack: Yeah.
[1220.46] Curry: I put it out and it works perfectly.
[1222.74] Curry: It's like, wow, I am a believer.
[1225.38] Curry: It worked for me.
[1226.82] Curry: So yeah, I did it and it worked.
[1228.26] Curry: So you should try it.
[1230.74] Curry: Apparently, the grounding is the important thing.
[1234.1] Jack: Now, you know, you have little faith.
[1237.66] Jack: How how was the I watched your E LRS five channel update set up rig.
[1247.18] Jack: I really enjoyed your test rig.
[1249.14] Jack: Curry, five servers, but I found five, five servers on a board.
[1259.1] Jack: That'll do that'll do that'll do that was classy.
[1263.66] Curry: That was and as Stephen put it, if you wanted to do something bigger,
[1268.82] Curry: you can just put two receivers on and remap all the channels.
[1273.1] Curry: But I think I think you'd want to do that if you're really desperate to fly,
[1277.26] Curry: because I still think although it's pretty bomb proof,
[1280.5] Curry: putting two receivers on a plane equals I'm adding complexity to it
[1284.22] Curry: when I don't need to when most most things won't need it.
[1288.02] Curry: Because if you're building a new plane, you're going to have I now
[1290.58] Curry: and then you can just use a regular receiver and CRS.
[1293.18] Curry: It's only if you've got some legacy planes looking at you, mini talent,
[1297.26] Curry: which happens to have a vector on it.
[1300.42] Stephen: Yeah. And you're like, I've got one server left and no server extensions.
[1304.38] Stephen: How do I solve this?
[1305.74] Curry: That's it. But I really like the vector autopilot.
[1309.18] Curry: It's a really nice system, which was by Eagle Eagle Tree.
[1313.22] Curry: You don't exist. Yeah, don't go on.
[1315.9] Curry: That was not a good tree.
[1318.18] Curry: Yeah, it was.
[1318.94] Curry: Was it not?
[1320.86] Curry: I think it was.
[1321.78] Curry: Pretty sure it was.
[1323.14] Caroline: Mm hmm.
[1325.53] Curry: Eagle Tree.
[1326.33] Curry: Just on that.
[1327.61] Stephen: What's an Eagle Tree? Look it up.
[1329.29] Stephen: I'm showing my life.
[1330.05] Stephen: The Eagle Tree was the company that made the dots.
[1332.41] Stephen: It's my fly dream.
[1333.89] Stephen: You did the vector.
[1336.25] Caroline: The vector was my fly dream.
[1338.77] Curry: They made one for the my fly dream.
[1340.73] Curry: Literally called the my fly dream AP.
[1342.73] Caroline: They're very similar, weren't they?
[1345.05] Stephen: And color.
[1346.05] Stephen: The ones that did like auto landing, like show you the graphics of the runway.
[1350.97] Curry: I had the I've got.
[1352.61] Curry: Oh, it's the vector.
[1354.41] Curry: And it was it was quite it's quite different.
[1356.57] Curry: And it was very ugly as an OSD, but people swore by them
[1360.13] Curry: about being really, really good for autopilots.
[1362.69] Curry: This this is all like doesn't come up anymore.
[1365.53] Curry: I know back like eight, nine years ago before the likes of INAV,
[1369.77] Curry: you used to have like different manufacturers
[1372.13] Curry: coming out with different sort of autopilots for things.
[1374.97] Curry: Eagle Tree, Eagle Eyes.
[1376.85] Curry: Yeah, that's the Eagle Eyes.
[1378.53] Curry: This this was one of the de facto things for antenna tracking.
[1383.37] Curry: Are you using it for antenna tracking?
[1384.73] Curry: Oh, it's a bloody.
[1387.29] Jack: What is that?
[1387.97] Jack: VIS sports as well.
[1389.93] Jack: Yeah, it's a serious antenna setup.
[1392.05] Jack: Yeah, I get thicker on it and everything.
[1394.69] Caroline: Are those the antennas on the back of it?
[1397.25] Caroline: That's what these are the receivers.
[1400.37] Caroline: I was looking at the other side.
[1401.97] Stephen: This is one point to the patch antenna crosshair.
[1406.21] Stephen: Yeah.
[1407.57] Caroline: And then the other ones on the on the Omni.
[1412.13] Caroline: They both go into the vector, which determines the best signal.
[1417.69] Stephen: Wow, that's a lot of hardware.
[1420.85] Jack: No, yeah, diversity.
[1422.69] Jack: Well, they was already made RC receivers
[1426.73] Jack: where they had to put some sort of filter in them or something.
[1430.33] Jack: So I mean, they cost
[1432.13] Caroline: another good receivers, no work just as well.
[1437.85] Jack: Yeah, I guess a bit heavy on the goggles.
[1440.77] Caroline: Yeah. Well, what is 1.3 gigahertz?
[1446.01] Curry: There's only a few things I did actually do a 1.3
[1449.37] Curry: internal receiver.
[1450.85] Curry: Mm hmm.
[1452.77] Curry: Yeah, but how good is that going to be?
[1454.33] Curry: Looking at two coat hangers on the top of your goggles
[1458.37] Curry: effectively, who would it look like?
[1460.01] Stephen: But as a gift on the ELS forums of a guy doing network outs,
[1464.41] Stephen: it instantly makes me think of that when people talk about the one point
[1467.29] Stephen: three gig set ups, you know, working out that neck muscle.
[1470.53] Curry: Such such amazing range on it, though.
[1473.25] Curry: It's like that that box can go for about what, 50 kilometers?
[1477.29] Curry: If you say that could go that far.
[1480.57] Stephen: I feel right about really close and not enough bandwidth
[1483.97] Stephen: to actually do like an NTSC or PAL signal, though.
[1487.01] Caroline: You've oh, yeah, full power signal.
[1490.69] Stephen: We're saying, I mean, the actual bandwidth that you get
[1493.25] Stephen: like isn't enough to convey like a normal amount of
[1497.77] Stephen: color. Really?
[1499.77] Caroline: Yeah, it's a picture.
[1501.21] Stephen: Well, I mean, you get something that is official is a PAL signal out the other end.
[1506.21] Stephen: I just thought you had to like sacrifice the actual line.
[1511.57] Stephen: No, the line sort of.
[1514.69] Stephen: Now I just run normal camera for it.
[1517.01] Caroline: I get an excellent picture.
[1519.09] Caroline: OK, OK.
[1521.45] Curry: Yeah, I think that's what you used to fly quite a lot on analog.
[1523.81] Curry: If you just go back on Caroline's channel and check the DVR.
[1527.29] Curry: It's pretty nice.
[1528.65] Curry: In the olden days, there was a little bit more of a difference
[1531.57] Curry: when you looked at five point eight versus one point two, one point three.
[1535.09] Curry: But it's it's harder to tell now, especially with these cameras.
[1539.05] Jack: And it's the thing is with five point eight is it's just the switching,
[1543.61] Jack: isn't that the of the frequency?
[1545.93] Jack: And that's why they burn so red hot.
[1548.53] Jack: I believe I'm not 100 percent sure.
[1552.53] Caroline: Well, it's also that one point three is just
[1555.89] Caroline: longer wavelength.
[1556.89] Caroline: It travels better.
[1558.49] Jack: Yeah.
[1559.49] Caroline: Four times the distance on the same power.
[1562.01] Jack: Yeah. And better penetration longer.
[1565.45] Caroline: Yeah. Hugs, curves and hills.
[1569.17] Caroline: So you can go around the hill a little bit.
[1574.25] Caroline: Wow. So you don't feel safe when you can't come up to a hill
[1578.61] Stephen: as much unless you go backwards.
[1581.09] Stephen: Of course, exactly.
[1582.53] Stephen: We should go back out on you.
[1584.17] Curry: Yeah, that's what Jack does.
[1586.97] Curry: Reversing into a hill, that's his specialty.
[1589.73] Jack: Yeah, that's it.
[1592.25] Jack: With a wing next, I just got to figure out how to do that.
[1597.29] Jack: Caroline, how how did you get into the hobby originally?
[1600.73] Caroline: God, many years ago, I taught myself
[1604.13] Caroline: I decided I wanted to fly.
[1606.01] Caroline: I was like flying and my kids were young.
[1610.61] Caroline: So I bought a multiplex
[1614.65] Caroline: cup, not the fun cup, but the cup
[1618.05] Caroline: and flew it on nickel metal hydride batteries.
[1621.81] Caroline: Took myself to fly using that.
[1624.81] Caroline: Then gave it up for the family.
[1627.09] Caroline: And now I'm older.
[1629.85] Stephen: I need to explain instead.
[1631.13] Caroline: I can pose my own.
[1632.01] Caroline: So I thought, well, I'm going back to it.
[1634.53] Caroline: Oh, excellent.
[1636.45] Jack: Nickel metal hydride, people.
[1638.41] Jack: That's what old drill batteries and cordless phones used.
[1644.33] Caroline: I moved on from Nikads to the metal hydride.
[1648.01] Stephen: What was it like going from nickel metal hydride
[1651.25] Stephen: to like the lipo era when everything is?
[1654.33] Stephen: Oh, it's completely different. Yeah.
[1656.41] Jack: Yeah.
[1657.05] Jack: Doesn't weigh as much.
[1658.97] Jack: Just instant draw power.
[1661.45] Jack: You know, you can just loop the loop whenever you want.
[1664.73] Stephen: Was it a struggle to get takeoff
[1666.81] Stephen: and you really had to worry about the launches a lot
[1669.17] Stephen: if you didn't have the raw power?
[1672.21] Caroline: Nothing went fast, right?
[1675.85] Caroline: The best one I had was I had a Mustang that I built
[1680.13] Caroline: and that was running on seven, seven S.
[1685.17] Caroline: Member 1.2 Volta S. Right. OK.
[1690.49] Caroline: And that used to fly quite well.
[1692.33] Caroline: I'd get about five minutes flight on that.
[1695.41] Stephen: 1.2 by seven. So that's.
[1697.29] Caroline: Was it all brushed as well?
[1700.01] Caroline: That was brushed motor. Yeah.
[1701.97] Jack: Wow. That's what I mean.
[1703.61] Jack: It is prehistoric with gearing and everything.
[1707.61] Stephen: And how long did it take you to charge the packs as well?
[1710.01] Stephen: Because they're really slow on their nickel metal.
[1711.73] Caroline: You could charge them at 2C.
[1714.69] Caroline: So it took a while.
[1717.96] Curry: Oh, my God. Don't worry.
[1720.0] Curry: You missed out the nitro era, though.
[1722.4] Caroline: I never went nitro.
[1724.0] Caroline: Well, when I was really, really, really young,
[1727.16] Caroline: I managed to save up pocket money.
[1729.84] Caroline: And my brother and I, we bought a
[1733.52] Caroline: control line
[1737.08] Caroline: Cox's 0.49 Cox.
[1740.2] Caroline: It had to be a whole hurricane.
[1742.84] Caroline: Got that going.
[1744.08] Caroline: One loop crash destroyed.
[1746.28] Caroline: It was awful. That was it.
[1747.96] Caroline: And that was it. Never again.
[1751.04] Curry: You think control?
[1752.16] Curry: I mean, control line looks easy because the effect
[1754.68] Curry: if you just do things on the screen, but it could go anywhere.
[1757.12] Caroline: Couldn't I get these things were plastic models
[1761.4] Caroline: with a 0.49 cc global motor.
[1765.36] Caroline: They were so underpowered.
[1767.36] Caroline: You were lucky if you even got it moving.
[1771.36] Curry: And then the whole thing just exploded in a share of plastic.
[1775.28] Caroline: Mm hmm. That was it.
[1776.72] Caroline: That was the end of it.
[1778.6] Stephen: Oh, the excitement.
[1781.96] Caroline: Yeah, that lava put me off.
[1785.68] Stephen: Yeah, I'm a lot of building.
[1787.92] Stephen: I'm not much flying.
[1789.04] Caroline: Well, there wasn't any building.
[1790.28] Caroline: It was just by it.
[1791.28] Caroline: It was a there was a little shop down Catherine Road.
[1794.84] Caroline: I saw it in the window.
[1795.88] Caroline: I thought, yeah, we're going to have that.
[1799.28] Caroline: And, you know, when I must have been 12,
[1803.72] Stephen: what was the first thing to get you back into the new era of flying?
[1808.12] Caroline: Oh, back into what into?
[1810.52] Caroline: Yeah, life hose and everything.
[1811.92] Caroline: Surgeons. That was a
[1815.92] Caroline: a Mustang again, but it was
[1820.04] Caroline: a flight test to build it.
[1822.84] Caroline: I ran it on 3S.
[1827.4] Caroline: Little foam board Mustang, just a little mini one.
[1829.96] Caroline: So it was only about that big, the tiny series like the mini ones.
[1835.0] Caroline: Yeah. Mm hmm.
[1837.56] Stephen: So what did it feel like to get back into the hobby after that,
[1840.04] Stephen: then get to play in the air or just see it flying was amazing.
[1844.08] Caroline: In fact, for the summer flu, it wasn't me flying it because I didn't trust myself.
[1851.6] Caroline: I can't remember.
[1852.24] Caroline: I think I bought I made the the cub
[1856.44] Caroline: foam flight test.
[1858.6] Caroline: In fact, there's a video of the very first flight of the flight test
[1861.8] Caroline: cub on my channel.
[1864.72] Caroline: It took off, it flew up, it disappeared.
[1868.4] Caroline: That was it. I never found it again.
[1871.72] Jack: No way. Yeah.
[1874.84] Jack: I remember when their podcast used to be so nice.
[1878.72] Jack: Yeah. And we were talking about gliders and like they they flew
[1884.88] Jack: and there was two exactly the same flying coming in for a perfect land.
[1889.68] Jack: And then the other guy walked to the same one.
[1892.36] Jack: They realized they'd be looking at the wrong flying, flying the wrong plane.
[1898.52] Jack: I was like, oh, my God.
[1901.28] Jack: I live in fear of that.
[1902.72] Jack: But you never found the cup ever again.
[1905.92] Caroline: Just disappear.
[1906.72] Caroline: Now, I made it up in the end, I built another one.
[1910.6] Caroline: I did such a good job on it as well. It's beautiful.
[1915.04] Caroline: I mean, in some ways, it was just flying across.
[1919.28] Caroline: And then when I got totally disoriented because it was so far away
[1924.88] Caroline: and it went down and up again and gave me hope and disappeared.
[1929.32] Caroline: And I walked all around the road so I could never find it.
[1933.2] Curry: Oh, yeah. Claimed by the trees.
[1935.04] Curry: I'd still class as success because it was flying.
[1937.24] Curry: And like me and my first plane having the the alien ones reversed
[1941.2] Curry: and just kept kept putting in and putting in the turn.
[1944.48] Curry: And it keeps getting worse every time.
[1946.16] Curry: For some reason, I worked it out.
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[1973.64] Curry: So Stephen is someone who's is trying to get into fixed wing.
[1979.12] Curry: What's your suggestion for his first guy?
[1981.6] Curry: Unless you've already bought one now, Stephen, what's what's your situation?
[1985.16] Curry: Oh, I am still the beans.
[1988.04] Stephen: So I bought I've been looking at this flying fish thing,
[1990.92] Stephen: which is either atom RC or rebranded with a sheen.
[1994.0] Stephen: And it's a little twin motor thing.
[1996.4] Stephen: And it comes with all the electronics.
[1998.44] Stephen: There's an FPV version, but I declined to get the FPV version
[2001.92] Stephen: because I think the FPV kit was a bit pants and I've got like loads
[2005.84] Stephen: of spare analog stuff, so I'll just pop something in.
[2009.64] Stephen: But yeah, I'm going to try that just with a PWM receiver to start with
[2014.24] Stephen: and probably quickly move over to to I now and try that.
[2020.2] Caroline: Oh, JetEx model, somebody mentioned it.
[2022.84] Jack: Yeah, great. I know, John, I.
[2025.8] Caroline: Little pills that never lit properly and just went fucked.
[2029.36] UNKNOWN: What's that?
[2030.52] Jack: There were like little solid propellant.
[2032.56] Caroline: You put in a little can, tied it up, and you had a fuse that went through the nozzle.
[2036.36] Caroline: It was a little rocket motor refillable.
[2041.36] Stephen: I got out when there was sun.
[2043.6] Caroline: Nice. Oh, sorry.
[2045.28] Stephen: What you say,
[2047.16] Stephen: Stephen, in the middle of my head, in the middle of a field,
[2050.68] Stephen: not near anyone totally obeying the law, just doing the wide legs.
[2055.36] Stephen: So you're like that one fall over stance.
[2058.24] Stephen: What's the zero meaning?
[2059.56] Curry: What is that? Should that be your ELS?
[2063.36] Curry: Yeah, so that's supposed to be a transmit power,
[2065.6] Stephen: and I'd left it on hybrid switch mode and it only reports the power
[2068.48] Stephen: if you set it to wide switch mode, which I noticed after this.
[2071.64] Stephen: And I can't seem to get any GPS satellites,
[2075.2] Stephen: which I seem to put down to the not liking running at five volts.
[2080.8] Stephen: When I ran it off the four volt five,
[2082.72] Stephen: it was really happy and gave me six satellites indoors.
[2085.52] Stephen: But for some reason,
[2087.16] Stephen: yeah, I just didn't want to run this time.
[2089.08] Stephen: I don't know why.
[2090.28] Stephen: So maybe do some copper tape.
[2092.56] Stephen: It's my unsuccessful GPS test.
[2094.76] Stephen: Well, everything is a very wide leg stance.
[2098.16] Curry: Are you always thinking I'm going to I'm going to fly between my legs or something?
[2102.08] Curry: Well, yeah, I actually did fly between my legs.
[2105.88] Stephen: Yeah. Do you play your bass guitar with the same stance?
[2109.44] Caroline: Well, I think this is the second flight and because I was doing lots of loops,
[2114.44] Stephen: I sometimes feel like I might fall over.
[2116.8] Stephen: And so that's my kind of deterrent to not fall over.
[2120.44] Stephen: I try and adopt the most stable posture possible.
[2123.32] Stephen: So when I do flips, I don't end up lying back on the ground, slightly concussed.
[2129.68] Stephen: Yeah, it's the Margaret Thatcher power stance.
[2134.24] Jack: So I think that's a good question.
[2136.32] Jack: Power stance so that people can imagine her with big
[2141.52] Stephen: when we went to the towers, you saw me.
[2144.08] Stephen: I was lying down.
[2145.76] Stephen: That's the best way to avoid feeling wobbly.
[2147.72] Stephen: If I'm flying lots of crazy outro, I just lie down.
[2151.12] Jack: He was very literally reclined in the dirt.
[2156.88] Curry: I just really care.
[2159.4] Curry: I need to issue a challenge for you then.
[2161.84] Curry: Everyone could do this if they want to.
[2163.56] Curry: They have to fly their acro things
[2165.64] Curry: whilst running across the field with their goggles on.
[2168.56] Curry: I think that would be a fun experiment.
[2170.2] Stephen: I would fucking die.
[2171.72] Stephen: No, I'm trying to get people to do that.
[2174.8] Curry: We can't even get Tony to stand up, let her walk.
[2178.44] Stephen: They were giving up prizes at FPV Drone Fest.
[2180.92] Stephen: And the prize was that you had to walk to a flag
[2184.08] Stephen: and they set up like six flags across the field.
[2186.64] Stephen: You had to get to a flag wearing your goggles.
[2189.24] Stephen: And all you would see was an acro drone flying around the field.
[2193.12] Stephen: And you had to figure out who you were
[2195.2] Stephen: and which direction you needed to head in
[2197.08] Stephen: with your goggles on.
[2198.92] Stephen: And you didn't even get to point the drone
[2200.44] Jack: in the right direction.
[2201.28] Jack: Did someone walk into the railing, the fence?
[2205.2] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2206.04] Jack: Of the...
[2206.88] Jack: Oh, one person, I'm sure.
[2207.88] Jack: Yeah, like split their face open.
[2211.16] Jack: And, you know, it was like, no, I'm fine.
[2213.28] Jack: I don't need A and E.
[2215.52] Jack: And like, you know, like, oh, God.
[2219.28] Stephen: I started off, walked about three yards and thought,
[2222.28] Stephen: I don't want the prize that much.
[2224.44] Caroline: Yeah.
[2225.68] Stephen: You let the side down.
[2226.96] Stephen: I was hoping you would.
[2227.8] Stephen: I did, really.
[2228.72] Curry: But the problem is, if you do go to A and E,
[2231.4] Curry: they asked you what you were doing
[2233.48] Curry: at the time of the accident.
[2234.52] Curry: And you'd have to tell them.
[2236.32] Jack: I'm masturbating a lot.
[2238.24] Curry: I cut off my skateboard.
[2241.2] Curry: When I'm 49 or something, that's embarrassing enough.
[2245.48] Jack: Was this the park incident where you fell off the skateboard?
[2249.64] Curry: It was down a hill, but, yeah.
[2252.52] Stephen: What is the Botgrinder power stance?
[2256.0] Stephen: I don't know.
[2258.44] Stephen: I assume it's what you do, Stephen.
[2261.0] Caroline: Oh, right. Yeah.
[2262.96] Caroline: But he always lands at his feet.
[2264.52] Caroline: The star requires a guitar.
[2266.2] Caroline: He has to land at his feet.
[2269.76] Curry: I should try and land at my feet.
[2271.0] Caroline: I think that's fine.
[2271.84] Caroline: He likes to sort of land actually on the foot.
[2276.2] Curry: Talking of Botgrinder in a handy segue,
[2280.76] Curry: did everybody see his video about trying to build a drone park?
[2286.48] Stephen: Yes, I think it's a capital idea.
[2289.2] Stephen: I admire his enterprise.
[2291.04] Curry: I wish I could travel to Philly.
[2293.72] Curry: And the idea that you could buy 10 acres
[2297.28] Curry: for about $70,000 anywhere around here
[2301.12] Curry: would be just staggering.
[2303.16] Curry: Because like one positive stamp of space is that much.
[2306.92] Stephen: A fairly modest accommodation is able to have the means
[2309.72] Stephen: to just go and buy land.
[2311.36] Stephen: I mean, Christ, you'd need to be some kind of pony club level
[2317.08] Stephen: in this country to be able to go and just buy tracts of land.
[2320.92] Stephen: It's just not affordable at all.
[2322.6] Stephen: That's pretty incredible.
[2323.68] Curry: No, it's completely impossible.
[2324.96] Curry: And any land you can buy is is basically swamp.
[2328.2] Curry: And you're not allowed to do anything with it.
[2329.68] Curry: And there's a right of way to do that.
[2331.92] Caroline: That's not just for the land, though.
[2333.28] Caroline: That's for the land.
[2334.52] Caroline: Some buildings on it and everything else.
[2337.2] Caroline: Yeah, it's the whole build.
[2339.44] Caroline: He's guessing about 70,000.
[2341.6] Caroline: So I don't know what to buy land for.
[2343.88] Curry: For you guys in the US and you want a drone park,
[2348.44] Curry: check this out.
[2349.68] Curry: I hope he can do it.
[2350.92] Curry: I think it would be amazing if he can.
[2352.52] Curry: And I hope he gets to do what he gets to do.
[2355.6] Curry: I just wish we had that sort of thing going on.
[2359.96] Curry: There's more anti-drone parks than drone parks around here.
[2363.92] Curry: Really? Yeah.
[2365.6] Stephen: I saw a sign get posted like my wife was at some park
[2369.28] Stephen: and said, no flying in royal parks.
[2371.16] Stephen: And she asked why.
[2372.52] Stephen: What's the problem with that?
[2374.12] Stephen: Those ducks.
[2375.72] Stephen: Elf and safety.
[2377.08] Stephen: Parents and dog walkers, really, isn't it?
[2379.64] Caroline: Well, no dogs off leads in parks.
[2384.72] Stephen: Well, yeah.
[2385.2] Stephen: And how often do people break that rule, right?
[2387.28] Stephen: There's supposed to be half of our local park
[2389.42] Stephen: that some dogs are not supposed to be off their leads.
[2392.24] Stephen: And, yeah, they always run over to me when I'm flying.
[2396.36] Caroline: They can hang them out and try and say, I can disable my drone.
[2400.0] Caroline: Can you disable your dog at a distance?
[2401.84] Stephen: Yeah, right.
[2403.36] Stephen: Yes, of course, it's electric collar.
[2404.88] Stephen: It's about to eat on life mode, so it can disable itself.
[2407.4] Stephen: It's not careful.
[2408.84] Curry: Yeah.
[2411.84] Curry: I've certainly had more damage caused to my stuff by dogs
[2416.0] Curry: than me cause any damage to anything else.
[2418.0] Curry: Most because dog walkers don't have control of their dogs.
[2421.52] Curry: I've got my tarpaulin laid out and my stuff on it
[2424.52] Curry: because generally it's wet.
[2425.88] Curry: And wet dog comes over and starts slobbering all over my stuff.
[2431.24] Curry: And then, you know, starts doing weird things to me and whatever.
[2438.92] Curry: And some women saying things like,
[2442.36] Curry: could you hover your drone over here so I can get my dog excited?
[2445.52] Curry: Not that sort of drone.
[2446.36] Curry: It doesn't hover very well because I can't see where you are.
[2448.88] Stephen: There is one rather amicable lady who quite enjoyed the fact
[2451.96] Stephen: that the dog would run after the drone
[2454.08] Stephen: and get some exercise without her having to sprint up and down.
[2457.88] Stephen: But then it got so obsessed with it that I had to land it.
[2461.12] Stephen: And she was like, sorry, sorry, please just don't take off
[2464.64] Stephen: until I've managed to get her away because the giant husky is quite strong.
[2470.16] Stephen: And she's like, if she really goes for it, she pulls me over.
[2473.44] Stephen: So can you just know?
[2475.56] Stephen: Oh, yeah, across the field sled dogs,
[2479.24] Jack: you know, designed to pull you about like, you know,
[2483.76] Curry: I've had the same thing where people love it because their dogs get to run around.
[2487.28] Curry: But then I'm out of battery and I have to land, which means I have to go over there,
[2491.76] Curry: get the dog away and then come back really quick and just sort of splat down
[2495.72] Curry: close to me and grab it quickly because the dog is like 70 miles an hour for whack.
[2500.8] Curry: Come in. I'm going to get this thing this time.
[2502.28] Stephen: It's landed a leg dive where you like pile it into your own shin
[2506.44] Stephen: and just grab it as quickly as possible.
[2509.56] Curry: It's tough to answer.
[2511.56] Jack: So didn't Andy R.C. get like a Dalmatian knocked him flying?
[2519.48] Jack: Sorry, carry on.
[2522.12] Stephen: Oh, we can't speak, of course, we'd love to have Andy on to tell us about his
[2525.4] Stephen: dogging stories in future, but we'll we'll get to that.
[2528.24] Caroline: He does park himself near the bin every time.
[2534.01] Stephen: I'd like to point out I did not say that.
[2536.45] Stephen: No choice, I'd have thought, given the context.
[2539.45] Stephen: Yeah, Jack would like to point out for editorial balance that he did not, in fact,
[2543.45] Stephen: mention dogging.
[2544.77] Jack: Yeah, no, I was not the one who mentioned that.
[2548.61] Jack: So I carry on.
[2549.81] Caroline: In general, that's walking your dog.
[2555.03] Caroline: That's what I call walking the dog.
[2559.03] Stephen: Did anyone hear the Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show bit on the BMFA 100 year anniversary?
[2565.91] Stephen: Apparently, Vernon K flies RC planes.
[2568.91] Stephen: I don't know who Vernon K is, but it's absolutely a radio one DJ.
[2573.43] Jack: He's a guy for the telly, isn't he?
[2575.59] UNKNOWN: I've no idea.
[2576.75] Stephen: God.
[2578.07] Stephen: I don't listen to Radio 1.
[2579.27] Stephen: They never played enough heavy metal.
[2583.11] Caroline: Vernon K, he's like, yeah, he's pretty much.
[2585.99] Caroline: I think he's done quite a long faced guy.
[2590.83] Curry: Vernon K, here's some trivia, is married to Tess Daly,
[2593.95] Curry: who is on that strictly programmed BBC wall.
[2597.43] Caroline: The one that stands like that all the time.
[2602.15] Stephen: I need to watch a few episodes of that against my inhalation.
[2608.59] Stephen: That's the next build.
[2611.23] Stephen: Armiton, oh, a beaver.
[2614.51] Stephen: Are you going to shave it?
[2616.47] Caroline: I don't know.
[2617.07] Caroline: It's certainly not going to be hairy, but look at the instruction.
[2621.43] Jack: Smooth.
[2622.03] Jack: I think you should put hair on it.
[2625.83] Jack: Flock your beaver.
[2627.67] Caroline: Actually, come to a frame with instructions.
[2630.55] Caroline: I've never seen it before.
[2631.91] Stephen: They don't just give you 25 screws and a bunch of assorted bits of garden
[2635.27] Stephen: and go garden?
[2636.95] Stephen: Good luck.
[2637.99] Stephen: Garden?
[2639.23] Stephen: Yeah, even the Chris Rosser stuff, which is supposed to be professional,
[2643.71] Stephen: doesn't come with instructions.
[2645.47] Stephen: I'm pretty sure I've mounted some bits on the last one.
[2647.51] Caroline: They tell you what bits you need and everything.
[2651.15] Curry: This is pro.
[2652.39] Caroline: It's almost worthwhile just for that.
[2655.79] Stephen: I know.
[2656.31] Stephen: Because I have had some occasions where frames come with a bunch of screws.
[2660.19] Stephen: And I'm like, are these to go into the standoffs?
[2663.91] Stephen: Or are these supposed to be for the stack?
[2666.15] Stephen: And they're quite short for stack screws,
[2668.47] Stephen: but they're quite long for standoff screws.
[2670.39] Stephen: And they're never just trying.
[2672.83] Stephen: And then you get it like, so there's two mil poking out.
[2676.39] Stephen: And you realize you've run out of thread.
[2678.23] Stephen: Yeah, that was supposed to be for the standoff.
[2680.15] Stephen: And you have to take 30 seconds of beaver wrenching.
[2686.21] Jack: Oh, John H. I bet that was some serious damage.
[2691.73] Jack: Cow trampled my expensive slope saw a few years ago.
[2696.93] Curry: Took me about cows.
[2697.97] Curry: One ate my cameras because of my little tiny wing.
[2700.81] Jack: Yeah, DRGs are the worst.
[2703.53] Jack: They're worth loads.
[2705.01] Jack: Did you get to see the inside of a cow?
[2708.37] Curry: No, he only ate the camera, not the FPV transmitter.
[2712.85] Curry: So I didn't really get the whole thing.
[2718.93] Caroline: And it wasn't a session five that went right for him.
[2722.69] Jack: Yeah.
[2723.45] Jack: Last week, we were talking about you and you messaged in the chat
[2729.69] Jack: that you were flying near some visit viaduct or something.
[2734.05] Jack: And you got shouted at.
[2736.37] Jack: Would you like to tell us what they said?
[2740.69] Jack: What happened in your defense?
[2743.77] Jack: Defend yourself, Caroline.
[2745.77] Caroline: Well, I checked the flying app first.
[2750.41] Caroline: There was no warnings.
[2752.61] Caroline: No notifications.
[2755.33] Caroline: Nobody had put up a thing saying, I'm going to fly here.
[2758.93] Caroline: So I did.
[2761.49] Caroline: And then I flew.
[2762.69] Caroline: And then he turns up and goes, have you
[2765.73] Caroline: got permission to fly around here?
[2768.45] Caroline: It's open.
[2770.33] Caroline: Oh, no, no, it's my day today.
[2773.37] Caroline: I've been paid to come down here from Aberdeen
[2776.33] Caroline: to film this.
[2779.21] Caroline: I said, well, it's not on the I can't remember what it's called,
[2783.89] Caroline: drone safety, drone advisory app.
[2786.73] Caroline: I can never remember the name of it, but UK one.
[2790.41] Caroline: And he saw it when he when he had a look at the plane
[2796.45] Caroline: and saw how it was like homemade.
[2798.81] Caroline: And he was quite impressed.
[2802.41] Caroline: And he actually went away smiling in the end.
[2804.45] Stephen: But what was he for?
[2806.45] Stephen: For sure.
[2809.19] Stephen: Part of what was he flying?
[2811.23] Caroline: Was it just he was he was flying an inspired to.
[2817.07] Stephen: Oh, so he probably wouldn't even know if you were flying.
[2820.87] Stephen: Yeah, hmm.
[2823.55] Jack: Yeah, drone assist, drone assist.
[2826.79] Caroline: That's what motors.
[2830.68] Jack: Oh, you want to.
[2833.12] Jack: John's question, Caroline, you got to your motors for the frame.
[2836.8] Caroline: You want to look at the LRS?
[2839.84] Jack: What's the KV?
[2840.84] Jack: What's the flight controller?
[2842.92] Caroline: The KV, the KV is Zing 2207 1855 KV.
[2848.72] Caroline: Six S, six S.
[2852.24] Caroline: Yeah, it's flying a member stack F7 stack.
[2856.76] Jack: Nice, nice.
[2857.72] Jack: I'm right there.
[2860.52] Jack: And Zing is nice, or are they just heavy as all balls?
[2864.44] Jack: They're so nice, they're not heavy.
[2867.08] Caroline: And these ones are titanium shaft.
[2870.92] Jack: They just look big.
[2872.64] Stephen: They look like the Zing 2207.
[2875.8] Caroline: And running a member.
[2877.6] Stephen: Normal, they're totally normal motors.
[2879.88] Stephen: Member 50M, 4S.
[2883.88] Stephen: Particularly unusual.
[2885.92] Caroline: I like them, I like the members, they come with nice long leads.
[2890.76] Stephen: I'm becoming a little bit more discerning after kind of having a peek behind the
[2894.2] Stephen: scenes, because a lot of these manufacturers after spending some time
[2899.2] Stephen: trying to figure out what was going on with some of these old products that
[2903.64] Stephen: a lot of them don't make their own kit.
[2906.04] Stephen: And so you've got people like iFlight and Diatone and T-motor who just kind of buy
[2913.04] Stephen: other people's boards and put their names on it.
[2918.04] Stephen: And I have had some odd experiences with iFlight stuff where it's just not
[2923.08] Stephen: being... it's serviceable, it's just not great.
[2927.4] Stephen: Like I've got an iFlight controller, which causes me some grief because all the
[2931.56] Stephen: five volt pads, four volt five.
[2937.15] Stephen: And they've managed to wire it in a way where if you have GPS connected, it
[2942.23] Stephen: stops the board going into DFU mode.
[2947.27] Stephen: Because, yeah, it's just not.
[2949.27] Stephen: Why?
[2951.27] Stephen: Let's see, yeah.
[2953.87] Stephen: Ah, yes.
[2955.83] Caroline: And it's got the Bluetooth on it as well.
[2959.03] Caroline: A Wi-Fi, it's got the Wi-Fi.
[2962.03] Caroline: It's a Bluetooth Wi-Fi.
[2963.39] Stephen: You know how when you upgrade a flight controller, it goes into this DFU mode?
[2967.43] Stephen: I always think of it as don't F up, but it's something else completely, except
[2971.59] Jack: I can't remember it.
[2972.79] Jack: Device upgrade flash or something, isn't it?
[2975.39] Jack: Flash upgrade?
[2976.67] Stephen: That sounds much more like a flash mode.
[2979.07] Stephen: Yeah, I'm still sure it's don't F up, but anyway, it's the bootloader, basically.
[2985.23] Stephen: It goes into that and then it senses commands to tell it to write stuff and it
[2990.47] Stephen: listens to that and it goes and does it.
[2992.63] Stephen: Well, the trouble is with some flight controllers, if you've got a GPS on
[2995.91] Stephen: there, it's supposed to listen to commands that tell it to write stuff and get them
[2999.47] Stephen: from the USB port, which looks like a regular serial ports, the flight
[3003.19] Stephen: controller. But if you've got a GPS connected to something else, it'll start
[3007.91] Stephen: spamming information out of the GPS port and the flight controller gets confused
[3011.99] Stephen: and thinks that the GPS port is what it should be listening to for the flashing
[3015.35] Stephen: information.
[3017.27] Jack: And is that just a matter of going into the port tab and turning that off, maybe?
[3022.91] Stephen: No, because it's happening at boot time.
[3025.19] Stephen: Like this is not before flashing.
[3029.63] Stephen: So if you disable the port in beta flight, the bootloader doesn't know the ports
[3033.63] Stephen: being disabled.
[3035.15] Jack: Yeah, I suppose. Yeah.
[3036.39] Stephen: Right.
[3038.39] Stephen: So it's just a board design problem.
[3040.31] Stephen: Like you can design boards so they don't do this.
[3042.87] Stephen: And the only one that does it is my iFlight board for some reason.
[3046.63] Caroline: Homemade Lion Pack.
[3048.51] Caroline: Ooh, that's a 3S.
[3051.07] Stephen: Bit of a spot welder.
[3052.79] Caroline: Yeah, spot welder.
[3055.39] Caroline: Spot welder.
[3057.47] Caroline: And this is a four thousand two hundred twenty seven twenty one seven
[3063.71] Caroline: hundred pack.
[3065.27] Caroline: That's a chonker.
[3066.83] Caroline: Yeah, it's for play.
[3069.89] Jack: Is the spot welder a car battery or is it something else?
[3074.65] Caroline: No, it's a proper one.
[3076.65] Caroline: It's not one of the big ones, but it's got a couple of probes.
[3079.17] Caroline: You put it on, you charge it.
[3080.13] Caroline: It's got a ten thousand milliampere battery inside it.
[3083.85] Stephen: I saw someone released a rechargeable spot welder recently.
[3087.65] Jack: Yeah, basically what I thought.
[3090.81] Jack: Is it a hand or is it buried?
[3093.57] Jack: I can get it.
[3094.57] Jack: It's just in the other room.
[3096.33] Jack: I'll go grab it.
[3097.53] Jack: Or maybe a little listing.
[3099.21] Jack: Yeah.
[3100.73] Stephen: Fill the air and tell us about spot welders.
[3102.89] Stephen: What makes for a good spot welder?
[3105.89] Jack: Current voltage and
[3110.29] Jack: copper probes.
[3111.69] Jack: Yep. And then just really brief.
[3115.25] Jack: It's actually a proper nickel strip and not just nickel coated strip,
[3119.65] Jack: apparently.
[3121.05] Curry: I would like to make my own battery packs, but I am a little bit scared of
[3125.77] Jack: doing so.
[3127.49] Jack: Make sure that they're within zero point something of a vault.
[3134.49] Jack: I think that's the right.
[3135.97] Jack: Listen to big Clive.
[3137.01] Jack: He's way smarter because he said that he was like,
[3140.13] Jack: you know, you've got a lower charge battery than a full charge battery.
[3145.17] Stephen: He said even like Caroline is showing us something that looks like a kind of
[3150.85] Stephen: large phone charger sort of.
[3152.85] Stephen: It does.
[3155.93] Stephen: Couple of quite chunky looking terminals on there, I guess.
[3159.61] Caroline: Oh, yeah, they're really, really heavy duty.
[3163.37] Caroline: What is that?
[3163.81] Stephen: It's that nice huge big big old bullet.
[3167.77] Stephen: Yeah, that giant bullet connectors.
[3170.09] Stephen: Giant bullet connector.
[3171.05] Stephen: Right. There seem to be two designs, some that have the two leads tied together
[3176.25] Stephen: into a single kind of soldering gun and some of that you have two probes and
[3180.01] Caroline: you have a little thickness of that cable.
[3183.25] Stephen: That's a chunky one.
[3184.61] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[3186.21] Stephen: Can we the amps?
[3188.01] Stephen: Yeah, but if there's a cable like upstairs, if the batteries aren't of a
[3193.33] Jack: similar charge, some serious voltage, the amps run between the two.
[3199.33] Jack: Yeah, and it was fire.
[3201.65] Caroline: You want the when you put them together, you want them within 0.1 volts of each
[3205.89] Jack: other. Zero point one.
[3211.07] Jack: Yeah, zero point one.
[3214.03] Jack: Yeah, that's just going to jump into the lower charges.
[3217.55] Jack: I love the ways, right?
[3219.03] Caroline: My recommendation is 650 output.
[3223.47] Jack: Yeah, don't do it unless you know what you're doing.
[3227.63] Caroline: USB.
[3229.39] Caroline: USB C.
[3232.07] Stephen: And you don't find it runs out in the middle of a pack?
[3235.87] Caroline: No, I did a 4S, 4S, 4x4, 2100.
[3245.07] Stephen: And how do you trigger the start of the weld?
[3250.51] Caroline: You can have it on a foot pedal, which you don't bother.
[3252.83] Stephen: Oh, this is a foot pedal, right.
[3254.43] Caroline: But mainly when you make the contact, you put one down and put the other probe down.
[3261.27] Caroline: And when it sees a continuity, it fires.
[3264.63] Stephen: Oh, that's cool.
[3265.27] Stephen: OK, so you just go don't just do that.
[3268.15] Jack: No, you have to press quite hard for the penetration.
[3272.79] Caroline: I found if you press really hard, it conducts too well and it doesn't make a
[3277.47] Caroline: good spot where you want to sort of press medium hard, you get used to it.
[3283.91] Caroline: Because you want it to spark a little bit, to actually melt the nickel.
[3289.59] Stephen: Right.
[3291.51] Caroline: If you press really hard, you don't get a good weld.
[3294.75] Stephen: Do you have to do it a bunch of times to get it to stick or just once?
[3299.11] Caroline: I usually do it about four times on each one.
[3302.27] Jack: Is it more vaporised than...
[3305.63] Jack: Going to the mic, Jack.
[3307.87] Jack: It's welding rather than...
[3309.47] Jack: It's proper welding.
[3310.91] Jack: Yeah, not...
[3312.71] Jack: Oh, yeah, they're probably welded.
[3316.23] Caroline: Yeah, I've got another four pack to make up soon.
[3319.07] Stephen: You never know if some of it is like actually vaporising briefly and then
[3324.19] Stephen: cooling back down, but it's certainly getting hot enough that there's
[3326.75] Stephen: fusing going on, right?
[3327.83] Caroline: Cows being saying that a lot of it is rare because it's nickel plate is still...
[3332.91] Caroline: No, you have to pay a lot of money to get the proper nickel, nickel, 100 cent nickel.
[3337.39] Stephen: Do you need full nickel strips?
[3339.23] Stephen: No messing around.
[3340.91] Caroline: You can tell the difference immediately.
[3342.75] Caroline: You can't spot weld the steel ones properly.
[3347.47] Caroline: But if you search around, you can find vendors in the UK that sell the nickel.
[3354.95] Caroline: Yeah.
[3355.67] Caroline: But it's quite expensive.
[3356.79] Caroline: I mean, I got five metres of it and it cost me like £30.
[3361.67] Stephen: Do you still have to solder on the balance connections and like the XT30 or XT60?
[3366.51] Caroline: Yeah.
[3367.71] Stephen: Okay.
[3368.11] Stephen: So you can then solder in between.
[3371.47] Caroline: Yeah.
[3372.19] Caroline: You don't solder on top of the...
[3373.03] Stephen: Oh, so you put it on the strip, right.
[3374.59] Caroline: Yeah.
[3375.07] Stephen: Got it.
[3375.39] Stephen: Got it.
[3376.59] Caroline: And then you make the end strips longer so you can solder on the actual lead.
[3384.27] Jack: Yeah.
[3386.15] Caroline: Longer solder on and fold it over.
[3388.55] Jack: Yeah.
[3388.83] Jack: Safety notice.
[3389.71] Jack: Do not be on fire.
[3390.75] Jack: Be careful around busy roads.
[3392.27] Jack: Don't take our advice.
[3393.39] Caroline: And if you do, wear safety goggles.
[3396.63] Jack: Yeah.
[3397.11] Jack: When you're on fire, get the goggles.
[3398.43] Jack: Do not make your own batteries.
[3401.71] Jack: It is dangerous and fire may ensue.
[3407.63] Jack: And...
[3408.47] Caroline: The maker of this is portable spot welder.
[3412.07] Stephen: Is that it?
[3412.79] Stephen: Just...
[3413.19] Stephen: Carpoo?
[3414.63] Stephen: Carpoo.
[3415.19] Stephen: That brand you'd know and love.
[3416.35] Stephen: Carpoo, yeah.
[3417.07] Curry: Quite sharp, but not quite.
[3418.51] Stephen: So what's in there, you think?
[3419.87] Stephen: Just a couple of 18650s and a huge...
[3422.19] Caroline: No, it's a big old pouch sell.
[3425.11] Caroline: A pouch sell.
[3426.87] Jack: Yeah.
[3427.95] Jack: And I think like a like a diode ladder or something.
[3432.71] Jack: Something like that.
[3434.19] Jack: Doesn't say...
[3436.27] Caroline: I had the one that was useless.
[3438.59] Caroline: I pulled it apart and it was a big old pouch sell in it.
[3442.79] Caroline: But this one's been really good.
[3444.59] Jack: Yeah.
[3445.19] Jack: Yeah.
[3446.47] Jack: Basically, don't make batteries unless you've got somewhere that you're...
[3453.59] Jack: You know, there's not...
[3454.79] Jack: Don't make a band-aid line.
[3457.79] Stephen: I saw a couple that came out.
[3459.75] Stephen: There was one, I think Gal Crema was doing some reviews on one,
[3463.11] Stephen: which had like an XT60 input and the little welding pen came off an XT60 output.
[3470.23] Stephen: Yeah, I saw that, yeah.
[3471.03] Stephen: And all he was doing was like stepping up the voltage, I guess, or whatever.
[3476.03] Caroline: The voltage is 650 amps.
[3479.59] Stephen: That's probably very low voltage then, I guess.
[3481.63] Stephen: It's just a giant...
[3482.15] Caroline: Output voltage 4.2 volts.
[3483.75] Caroline: So it basically short circuits the battery across it, basically, shortly, quickly.
[3491.79] Stephen: Yeah, I guess it works.
[3493.71] Stephen: Yeah.
[3493.99] Caroline: Yeah, it works.
[3496.47] Jack: Cool.
[3497.15] Jack: It's a neat idea.
[3498.55] Jack: Yeah.
[3499.35] Jack: But yeah, be careful because it can go very wrong very quickly.
[3503.99] Jack: Yeah.
[3504.19] Stephen: And the trouble is with...
[3505.43] Stephen: I still like them, I think.
[3506.43] Jack: Yeah.
[3507.19] Jack: Not...
[3508.43] Jack: The trouble is with like red hot plasma is the burns and flames.
[3512.35] Jack: The trouble with red hot plasma can be a bit burny.
[3516.39] Jack: Yeah, vaporized bits of metal.
[3519.07] Jack: I had one burn almost an entire bit of cable that was about, I don't know,
[3528.47] Jack: is about two centimeters.
[3530.83] Jack: And it was the famous, I plugged in and Frank caught all the smoke and it just blew up.
[3537.19] Jack: It was that one.
[3539.55] Jack: And yeah, a piece of copper cable, like, got out of the silicone and then flew off
[3550.03] Jack: and flew on my laptop and basically melted its way through my laptop.
[3556.63] Jack: So it is, yeah, it like short circuit, you know, shorting, making batteries.
[3563.87] Jack: Very dangerous.
[3565.23] Jack: Do not recommend.
[3566.63] Caroline: John H.
[3567.27] Caroline: That's why I'm making this.
[3568.83] Caroline: I can't you can't buy them easy in the UK.
[3571.91] Caroline: You can buy the cells easy enough.
[3575.31] Caroline: Yeah, you can't buy the packs easy.
[3578.51] Stephen: I've got a three or three line who make pretty terrible lipos, but they did an OK
[3584.23] Stephen: job with this, and I think I've showed it before.
[3585.95] Stephen: It's just got a silly little like light up battery indicator on the side.
[3590.03] Stephen: Like for your goggles.
[3591.79] Stephen: Yeah, that's my goggles.
[3593.23] Stephen: I just used to balance lead.
[3596.47] Stephen: For for a while, there were a couple of cheap brands that were doing ready made
[3599.79] Stephen: cells that were quasi reputable, the GMB, and they did some kind of weaker ones that
[3604.79] Stephen: were using cheap 18650s and they were very good value if they're still around the
[3609.35] Stephen: GMB kind of low lower capacity lithium cells.
[3615.03] Stephen: So I've got a two S and a three S and I think they did all the way up to six S and
[3619.03] Stephen: you could also pay a bit more and you could get cells that GMB had built out of Sony
[3622.99] Stephen: VTC6, which are, you know, decent 18650s.
[3628.07] Stephen: So those are the two I go for.
[3629.95] Stephen: AU line and GMB search them.
[3632.47] Stephen: You might have to get them on Aliexpress and pay to either get proper shipping or
[3637.79] Stephen: some dodgy seller that just punts it to you and you hope it doesn't get stopped.
[3641.95] Caroline: Yeah, I think they swapped by myself.
[3647.47] Jack: Burns of delivery truck that has been delivered to you down.
[3651.91] Stephen: Yeah, it's not not the greatest of ideas.
[3654.59] Stephen: I think Banggood are shipping cells to the UK now, but you might have to pay
[3659.55] Stephen: through the nose.
[3660.95] Stephen: Yeah, you know, quite know whether it's going to be on or off with those guys.
[3666.87] Stephen: Scary.
[3668.27] Caroline: A Fox star.
[3669.23] Caroline: That's it.
[3669.71] Caroline: Fox star.
[3672.15] Stephen: Yeah.
[3672.43] Stephen: Fox stars, not the raw cells.
[3673.83] Caroline: Let's get my cell swam.
[3676.75] Caroline: No worries.
[3677.87] Caroline: And they're good.
[3679.35] Caroline: They're good cells.
[3681.59] Jack: Yeah, we can't trust enough.
[3683.51] Jack: Don't be on fire.
[3684.87] Stephen: Rule zero.
[3686.31] Stephen: From memory, there were two basic sort of manufacturers.
[3689.07] Stephen: You had the Sony and their high discharge was the VTC six.
[3692.51] Stephen: And then you had the Samsung with INR, some things that were also high discharge.
[3697.35] Stephen: I tend to get Sony once.
[3699.63] Stephen: Yeah.
[3700.79] Stephen: Yeah.
[3702.27] Jack: Do not.
[3702.95] Jack: Yeah.
[3703.43] Jack: Do not be on fire.
[3705.39] Jack: Do not be on fire.
[3706.91] Stephen: It is very cheap to buy the cells, but yeah, you're going to have to take a lot of
[3710.71] Caroline: precautions to buy fish, paper, fish, paper, fish, paper.
[3717.11] Caroline: It's what you get on site when you make it's insulating cardboard with sticky
[3721.91] Caroline: back, you wrap it round to protect them.
[3725.91] Stephen: So they don't rub against each other.
[3727.55] Caroline: So they don't rub it or I also double wrapped them anyway.
[3731.19] Stephen: I don't know that the casing is metal.
[3733.35] Stephen: Right.
[3733.63] Stephen: The case is, is the negative terminal on these cells.
[3736.63] Stephen: So you don't want to shred through the plastic wrap and
[3739.71] Caroline: I buy the plastic wraps and I put two of them on, on top.
[3743.67] Stephen: That's probably something we should mention because I wasn't aware of this,
[3746.03] Stephen: but the can is, is always the negative side of, of the, of the thawing.
[3752.15] Stephen: And so that whole can underneath the plastic layer is going to be connected to
[3756.35] Stephen: the cell and you need to be really careful if you're building a pack out of them
[3760.11] Stephen: that you don't short stuff against the can.
[3762.59] Jack: Yeah.
[3763.75] Jack: Cause yeah, it can be, then use that whole battery as a shortcut to
[3768.91] Jack: other cells to burn and add on fire ensues.
[3777.43] Jack: And the trouble is with the, those little metal can things is they hold,
[3782.91] Jack: there's a lot of, uh, potential energy that wants to come out very quickly.
[3788.07] Jack: And if you've ever watched, um, a sort of like vehicle fire with some of those in
[3794.35] Jack: there, it's like shotguns going off every time, one of those.
[3798.67] Jack: So just don't bother.
[3800.11] Jack: Just pre-buy your, I can't stress that enough.
[3802.75] Jack: Pre-buy your packs.
[3803.83] Jack: Whatever you do.
[3805.31] Curry: And you still want to make your own batteries.
[3807.31] Curry: You even know what you're doing or you seriously don't and you're too
[3810.07] Caroline: overconfident, keep them in the safety boxes when you're not making them.
[3814.79] Jack: Yeah.
[3816.19] Jack: Caroline is a very dangerous woman.
[3818.43] Jack: Do not mess.
[3824.27] Caroline: I store my batteries next to my liters of IPA.
[3828.91] Jack: Uh, yeah.
[3830.15] Jack: Don't, don't follow any of the, don't, don't mess.
[3834.15] Caroline: You're going to go to alcohol.
[3838.87] Stephen: About you could not be able to source these in the UK.
[3841.39] Stephen: Well, it just so happens that are wonderful.
[3844.91] Stephen: And so over a hobby, I'll sell a cell, a four S GMB 2,500, which I was
[3853.77] Stephen: just saying it's, it's, it's not the Sony one.
[3856.99] Stephen: It's a bit on the cheap and cheerful side, but if you just want long range
[3861.95] Stephen: and you don't want a high discharge, that's great bang for the buck.
[3864.95] Stephen: And I've flown quads on these and yeah, you can get a good amount of flight out of them.
[3871.19] Caroline: These ones I use in the, uh, in the small planes, they're 10 amp max discharge,
[3877.19] Caroline: but they're 3,500 milliamp hours.
[3882.47] Caroline: Whereas this is 30 amp max discharge.
[3887.49] Jack: Nice.
[3888.77] Jack: All right.
[3889.15] Jack: Should we call it in there?
[3890.05] Jack: I think that's all we got time for.
[3893.49] Jack: This, uh, Caroline, it's been great having you on.
[3896.41] Caroline: Oh, thank you.
[3897.05] Jack: That's always pleasure.
[3898.77] Jack: Uh, you have been listed to let's drone out.
[3902.73] Jack: Uh, please don't make your own batteries.
[3905.49] Jack: That's an incredible, go to hobby RC, join our discord.
[3911.17] Jack: There is a discount code for there.
[3914.53] Jack: I will read it out just as once.
[3916.69] Jack: We're not sponsored or affiliated by hobby RC, but I give you the code.
[3923.01] Jack: Yep.
[3923.53] Jack: And then there's eight ERGP.
[3926.37] Caroline: I don't know how that was September.
[3929.37] Caroline: So it might be expired.
[3930.41] Jack: That one, um, Mike tango Sierra Foxtrot, Foxtrot 23 tango.
[3939.61] Jack: So yeah, get 5% off.
[3942.17] Jack: We're not, we're not sponsored by them.
[3944.17] Jack: Mike hates social media and thinks this is the worst show in the world.
[3950.37] Jack: Uh, but yeah, but by batteries, instead of making them, you've been
[3954.25] Jack: joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3956.69] Curry: Goodbye.
[3958.05] Jack: Uh, the power stance himself, Steven.
[3961.93] Jack: Cheers.
[3962.49] Jack: Bye.
[3963.49] Jack: And, uh, the don't store your IPA next to your batteries.
[3968.73] Jack: What is wrong with you, Caroline?
[3970.09] Jack: You've been listening to let her out.
[3974.45] Jack: Thank you.
[3974.77] Jack: Good night.
[3975.65] Jack: Thank you for everyone who tuned in.
[3977.25] Jack: Thank you to our wonderful Patreons.
[3978.73] Jack: Thank you to our guests, Caroline.
[3980.53] Jack: Thank you, everyone.
[3981.13] Jack: Yep.
[3981.85] Jack: Yep.
[3983.93] Jack: If you're listening to this on iTunes, we are live every Thursday
[3987.57] Jack: at eight PM till nine PM UK time.
[3992.29] Jack: And don't forget, I think next week, the clocks go back and rules
[3998.17] Jack: zero don't be on fire.
[3999.93] Jack: Yep.
[4000.61] Jack: Don't do what Caroline does.
[4005.61] Jack: Deeply disturbed to be doing that.
[4009.61] Jack: Thank you.
[4010.05] Jack: Good night.