=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 379 ===
Title: LDO 379 - Tony's Naked But Painless Comes To The Rescue
Recorded: 2022-12-01
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Lee "Painless360" Schofield
Total audience: 1,848
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQHnXOj_mbg); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1395505885-letsdroneout-ldo-379-tonys-naked-but-painless-comes-to-the-rescue.mp3)
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[7.12] Lee: Are you not watching LDO?
[14.68] Jack: Yeah, it's on.
[16.68] Jack: Well, let me have a look.
[18.8] Jack: It's it's finally it's finally happened like my worst nightmare.
[24.96] Jack: Oh, God, don't tell me it's just you and your own.
[27.08] Jack: Yeah, it's just me on my own.
[28.52] Jack: Everyone's like LDO has become so that everyone's just forgotten.
[36.32] Jack: And no one's, no one's, no one's turned up tone.
[43.6] Curry: Oh, my God.
[44.68] Jack: Like, are you watching it?
[47.64] Jack: It's pathetic.
[49.68] Jack: It's terrible.
[52.16] Jack: Just don't know what to do, man.
[54.32] Jack: Do you want me to come on and say hello?
[56.88] Jack: Well, I'm going to need to do something.
[60.7] Jack: Okay, let me put some clothes on.
[63.02] Jack: Are you naked?
[65.3] Jack: I'm in bed and I sleep naked.
[68.18] Jack: All right.
[68.74] Jack: No, no, don't don't.
[69.94] Jack: They're they're they're here, really.
[73.9] Jack: Hello.
[74.98] Jack: Don't don't get me.
[76.06] Jack: But thank you.
[78.22] Jack: I you do love me that you love me enough that you'd come on.
[82.5] Curry: I would ask you to.
[83.9] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[86.58] Jack: I know.
[87.58] Jack: Thanks, man.
[90.18] Jack: Hello.
[91.06] Jack: And you're listening to what it's drawn out and special.
[94.18] Jack: Thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor
[99.06] Jack: to remove the swear words and silly things we say.
[102.42] Jack: Massive.
[102.98] Jack: Thank you to Carlos Campos, Art Faulkner, Sam Darma.
[109.42] Frank: On with the show.
[110.62] Curry: Let's drone out now.
[142.36] Jack: Hello, you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[145.04] Jack: Today, you are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[149.16] Jack: Hello.
[150.56] Jack: The man with the lovely mustache, Stephen.
[153.52] Stephen: Hello, good evening.
[155.32] Jack: The the man, the legend, the the guy who's been playing with I now have more than we know.
[162.64] Jack: I mean, let's say 60.
[164.24] Jack: Hello.
[165.56] Jack: I'm bright until I fly.
[167.36] Jack: Tony's husband.
[170.12] Lee: But he wouldn't come on the show.
[172.4] Stephen: No, but maybe somewhat undressed.
[175.52] Stephen: So we thought we'd leave it at that point.
[177.92] Curry: Yeah, he was super stuck.
[181.32] Curry: That was good.
[182.16] Curry: We still got it.
[183.44] Jack: Well, that's that's my test.
[186.12] Jack: That is, you know, I really know LDO is in trouble to the point where he doesn't come on.
[193.36] Jack: But, you know, he is naked.
[195.24] Jack: So take take what you take what you want from that.
[200.92] Jack: How's everyone been?
[202.04] Jack: Everyone had a good week.
[203.76] Curry: Not bad.
[204.36] Curry: I mean, the weather's starting to pick up.
[205.88] Curry: I'm thinking of going out tomorrow to try and fly.
[208.08] Curry: See if the fingers will survive.
[210.64] Curry: Is the anything?
[211.96] Curry: At least it's not super windy and super raining.
[214.08] Curry: But I think the field is probably a lake.
[217.24] Jack: Yeah, I'm apparently out tomorrow.
[220.48] Jack: So I'll be with my buddy with the avada.
[223.56] Jack: As far as I know.
[225.16] Jack: What about you painless you've been out much?
[228.32] Lee: Lots and lots and lots, because there's been lots of stuff coming out recently, weirdly,
[232.92] Lee: after it being completely quiet over the summer.
[235.76] Lee: And the only thing was walks now.
[237.92] Lee: So everyone talked about that.
[240.04] Lee: Ad infinitum content creation.
[242.56] Lee: Then suddenly all these kind of cool things started turning up.
[245.52] Lee: But the problem is, of course, I think I'm not sure what it is, actually.
[252.4] Lee: But it definitely means that every time I mean, I've talked about this in the past that,
[257.72] Lee: you know, when you get that little bit, you wake up in the morning and you open the curtains
[261.32] Lee: and it isn't raining and it isn't windy.
[263.8] Lee: You're like, right, charge batteries and you go to the field.
[268.04] Lee: Run, run, forest and you have to go to the field and then it's not for any fun or your
[273.48] Lee: own edification or enjoyment.
[275.36] Lee: It's literally you're throwing one thing after the other, getting all the footage, doing all
[278.64] Lee: the testing.
[279.64] Lee: So you have the footage to go back to spend the next five days editing.
[283.12] Lee: But yeah, I miss summer where literally every day you could go, you know, you finish making
[288.64] Lee: something you go, yeah, no, charge a battery, I'll have a go now.
[293.36] Lee: You have to, you know, you have to dive in when the when the wind and rain stops.
[297.48] Stephen: Yeah, you put out a lot of videos, it looks like just checking out of the backlog over
[301.84] Stephen: the last seven days, you've got like a couple of planes, flight controller, a VTOL and the
[309.96] Stephen: final review of the Cadex walnut, which seems to have been sort of lurking around for an
[315.64] Stephen: eternity at this point.
[318.48] Lee: Lurking is a very good way to put it, Steve, I'll be honest, because we got that as reviewers
[322.32] Lee: six weeks ago.
[323.96] Lee: And as soon as they shifted, and there seems to be this happening a lot at the moment,
[327.44] Lee: I don't know what you guys are finding.
[329.48] Lee: But historically, people, you know, they make this stuff, they get it pretty much ready
[333.92] Lee: to rock and roll, then they ship a reviewer sample to you, which is usually either a pre
[338.68] Lee: production version or, you know, the first ones off the line.
[342.44] Lee: But it was the production version and you get it and you do your review and you go,
[346.64] Lee: oh, video out, everyone was happy.
[350.6] Lee: These days, so much stuff is coming where they go where you get it and you start playing
[354.48] Lee: with it and you find a little weird thing with it.
[356.56] Lee: So you email them and you go, is this right?
[359.48] Lee: And they go, oh, oh, no, no, no, no, we're doing a firmware update.
[363.68] Lee: Just hold on.
[364.96] Lee: The firmware update won't be long.
[366.6] Lee: And you go, oh, okay.
[368.48] Lee: And then you log on to YouTube at the weekend and find that two of the content
[371.72] Lee: Everyone else is releasing videos anyway.
[374.76] Lee: Which annoys me because it's like, well, what's the point?
[377.02] Lee: Because if it's not the firmware, you're going to get when you buy it, it could either
[380.82] Lee: be more or less suitable for what you want.
[384.3] Lee: And then when you buy it, you'll be like, hang on a minute, but in this video, it showed
[387.46] Lee: that it had this feature and it hasn't got it anymore.
[390.26] Lee: So so, yeah, so six weeks it took me.
[394.22] Lee: And the thing is, I was flying with it.
[396.5] Lee: It's a fab camera.
[397.5] Lee: It's real 4K.
[398.5] Lee: And I stuck it on the front of one of my quads.
[401.82] Lee: And I originally, because when I first got it, I was really excited because again, it's
[406.82] Lee: gyro flow, 4K, you know, cube, what's not to love.
[413.3] Lee: But you know, and it was the end of summer when we got it in September time.
[418.04] Lee: So when I went to my mates and we were flying, I was following him over the Yorkshire countryside
[423.9] Lee: and he was flying in a big plane, not a real one, of course, you know, radio control plane.
[427.58] Lee: And I was behind him with filming it with a quad.
[430.22] Lee: Looks amazing.
[431.22] Lee: And then I just had to sit on all that footage and then, you know, kept emailing them once
[435.9] Lee: a week.
[436.9] Stephen: That's impressive.
[437.9] Stephen: If you kept your review to under 10 minutes, it sounds like you've got about two hours
[441.02] Stephen: of footage to squeeze in there.
[442.78] Lee: I think I was bored by after six weeks, I'll be honest.
[446.98] Lee: I think you might have done it there.
[448.18] Lee: And then it'd been like a seven minute or 17 minute overview.
[451.1] Lee: But it was just like, you know what, I've made this video in my head so many times in
[454.54] Lee: the last six weeks.
[455.66] Lee: I'm kind of bored of it now.
[456.7] Stephen: I just want to say a little quirky question on that one.
[458.86] Stephen: I did hear some people say that they were getting a little bit of a little bit of you
[464.38] Stephen: could see some of the the edges of the lens on the larger resolutions.
[468.86] Stephen: Is that resolved now?
[470.58] Stephen: Did you notice that?
[471.58] Lee: I've not noticed that at all.
[473.7] Stephen: Some kind of lens flare where it was reflecting a little bit off the silver surround, but
[479.3] Stephen: I guess that's in extreme sun, which we haven't had for a while.
[482.94] Lee: Yeah.
[483.94] Lee: Yeah, we live in the UK.
[485.62] Lee: We don't have that problem.
[487.82] Lee: I mean, maybe I mean, just come out.
[490.26] Lee: It does come with ND filters, which again, is a very common thing for action cameras
[493.46] Lee: now.
[494.82] Lee: And if there's any kind of sunshine at all, I'd always stick an ND8 on it just to just
[499.42] Lee: to help.
[500.42] Lee: I think if you're flying because all the cameras at the moment come with gyro flow and what
[505.58] Lee: they do is they give you 4K and they give you a crazy wide field of view to try and
[510.18] Lee: get so you can crop everything out of all the wobbling around.
[513.86] Lee: It does mean that they are really pushing the envelope in terms of what the lenses can
[518.7] Lee: do.
[519.7] Lee: Because in the Runcam Thumb Pro.
[520.7] Stephen: It's the instant you get gyro flow enables, you're just like, bang, the size of the image
[524.62] Stephen: are gone.
[525.62] Lee: Yeah.
[526.62] Lee: So I don't see it as that much of an issue because the new 155 degree field of view in
[533.06] Lee: the new Runcam Thumb Pro, I like the other one, I thought it was fine.
[537.1] Lee: And then the new one arrived and what they've had to do in the little lens cover that goes
[540.74] Lee: on the front, they've had to kind of cut the corners out so that they don't appear in the
[545.5] Lee: image.
[546.5] Lee: They can't use the same lens covers from one camera to another.
[550.18] Lee: But everything now, because it's gyro flow, because we need 4K and because we need to
[554.02] Lee: push it as far, you know, I'm quite happy if there's a little bit of fuzziness in the
[557.98] Lee: edge.
[558.98] Lee: I don't care.
[559.98] Stephen: Because if you don't have it, that's 155 degrees as well.
[563.82] Stephen: So all the cages on the front of quads, people are finding that they either stick this really
[568.86] Stephen: expensive camera straight out the cage and don't get protection or they're, you know,
[573.06] Stephen: seeing the standoffs.
[574.78] Lee: What's everyone's view on what a field of view for FPV is good, because I could personally,
[579.58] Lee: I think 155 is it means that the bit you're interested in is relatively small in the overall
[585.58] Stephen: view.
[586.58] Stephen: Well, they've got rocksteady again, that's the thing, right?
[588.06] Stephen: So that includes rocksteady built in.
[590.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[591.42] Curry: So they've got stable.
[592.42] Curry: I remember the golden days when we used to measure it in millimeters and we all started
[596.54] Curry: off on like 2.1 and it went to 1.8 and then like 1.66.
[601.26] Curry: That's wide, isn't it?
[602.26] Curry: And that made sort of sense to me.
[604.34] Curry: And wide was good, because if you ever went back to a narrow field of view and you tried
[610.42] Curry: to do a turn, it was just like the landscape was scrolling past.
[613.42] Curry: It didn't look like you were turning.
[614.42] Curry: It just looked like this constant movement and it was really weird.
[618.1] Curry: I don't know what those old lenses go to in terms of wideness, in terms of field of view.
[623.78] Lee: It was nothing like that.
[625.18] Lee: I know when I used to do a lot of those reviews, I about the 120 to 135 was what I personally
[632.14] Lee: liked.
[633.14] Lee: I mean, I'm not like a gate smasher, so that I'm not interested in that.
[636.22] Lee: I like altitude and landscape, but 120, 135 was about right.
[641.34] Lee: I had some really wide ones that were like 145, 150.
[645.86] Lee: And I remember flying in the little park near me that has all the goalposts.
[650.54] Lee: And I usually go there when I've got a whoop, because you can fly through the goalposts.
[653.74] Lee: And I couldn't see the goalposts until I was about two feet away, because there were like
[658.46] Lee: three pixels wide and then it was suddenly got there, because it was so ditty.
[662.1] Lee: And it was just like this terrible idea.
[665.14] Lee: But yeah, it seems to be all, like I say, we've lost the millimeters, we're into diagonal
[670.82] Lee: field of view now.
[673.22] Curry: I don't know what my talents are.
[676.26] Curry: I'm glad you're here, though, Luke, because I did want to ask you about two of your recent
[679.86] Curry: videos.
[680.86] Curry: And the first one, the epsilon, which I know must sting.
[686.34] Curry: Am I saying it right?
[687.34] Curry: I just want to say epsilon.
[688.34] Curry: Yeah, epsilon.
[689.34] Curry: It's written eclipsilon.
[692.46] Curry: Is that how it's pronounced?
[694.74] Lee: I say eclips and the owner hasn't corrected me.
[697.82] Lee: So I'm sticking with that.
[698.82] Lee: But it's something like that.
[699.9] Curry: If I could flip it, my brain wants to replace some of the letters and say epsilon.
[705.46] Stephen: This is the one where you 3D printed an entire wing.
[708.58] Lee: Well, the thing is, I didn't.
[711.46] Lee: So the full story, if you want to kind of sit back and open a beer, is I was approached
[718.46] Lee: by the guy behind it, who was like, do you want to do a 3D printed?
[723.74] Lee: You get these requests all the time.
[724.74] Lee: You want to do a 3D printed wing.
[726.58] Lee: And at the time, I wasn't really that bothered, but I had had a lot of people contact me on
[730.34] Lee: the channel to say, how about trying 3D printed stuff?
[735.58] Lee: Because it's something, you know, it was like this year's VTOL.
[739.3] Lee: Last year, there was a lot of 3D printed stuff.
[742.26] Lee: So I thought, OK, yeah, you know what?
[744.34] Lee: It's got to the point now where I've had so many requests.
[747.62] Lee: I really need just to have a go at this.
[749.82] Lee: As a guy who loves 3D printing, it kind of marries two favorite parts of the hobby.
[755.5] Lee: So I managed to get my hands on a roll of filament, couldn't get the lightweight PLA,
[760.86] Lee: then realized I got sent the files, loaded the files into the cure, bearing in mind there's
[767.74] Lee: probably about 30 pieces, separate pieces that you have to print, then glued together
[771.38] Lee: with industrial CA.
[772.38] Stephen: And you probably have to print some of them more than once.
[775.54] Stephen: So it's going to take a while.
[777.22] Lee: Yeah, so yeah, because the first prints are test, right, isn't it, really?
[781.86] Lee: You know, and if it comes out OK, then a bonus because you don't want to mess about with
[786.94] Lee: your adhesion and that.
[788.1] Lee: You want it all to be pucker if you're going to fly it.
[790.62] Lee: So so I loaded the first part into Cura and clicked slice and it went and it said it's
[798.02] Lee: going to take nine and a half hours.
[800.78] Lee: And I thought, well, I've cocked up the settings.
[802.66] Lee: Hang on a minute. So I kind of know everything's right.
[805.22] Lee: And I re-sliced it nine and a half hours.
[807.06] Stephen: I was like, oh, my God, this is a print that will fill your entire printer and you need
[811.94] Stephen: to come back tomorrow.
[813.18] Stephen: And I hope you've got a quiet printer because that's going to be going all night.
[817.02] Lee: Yeah. So so I went back to the guy and I said, how long do these things take to print?
[821.14] Lee: Because this is all new to me.
[822.34] Lee: Right. So this is all, you know, breaking new ground.
[825.1] Lee: And he said, oh, about a week.
[828.66] Lee: And I was like, what?
[831.5] Lee: And he was, oh, it's about a week.
[833.06] Lee: So so there's a guy in the UK who does his
[839.22] Lee: who's a test pilot for Eclipse and a guy called Steve, who was amazing.
[843.74] Lee: And the owner put me in touch with Steve and Steve went, yeah, if you ship me the
[848.18] Lee: filament, I'll print you one.
[850.18] Lee: And I was like, that would be amazing because I literally do not have eight days to sit
[854.06] Lee: babysitting the three because I'm one of those guys that won't leave a 3D printer when
[857.14] Lee: it's running. I'm just old fashioned.
[859.22] Lee: Right. It's like I won't leave a lipo charging, you know, things like that.
[862.14] Lee: So so I so I'd have been sat there, you know, rewatching.
[865.82] Lee: I don't know. Battlestar Galactica staring the progress meter or something.
[869.66] Lee: Yeah, absolutely. Going, oh, come on.
[872.22] Lee: So he was brilliant.
[873.58] Lee: And he printed the whole thing for me and it arrived in this bloody big cardboard box.
[879.86] Lee: And it's the biggest ethics kit you've ever seen is what it kind of turned up like.
[883.82] Lee: You know, imagine if you cut all the things off the sprue and then just emptied them
[886.62] Lee: into a box. That's what it arrived like.
[889.3] Lee: So then it took me probably about a week to put together.
[892.78] Lee: Had to order the special medium viscosity industrial CA that is what you need to use.
[897.78] Lee: Right. So long story short, that was June,
[901.62] Lee: July summer holiday things.
[904.22] Lee: Right. August and then September.
[906.46] Lee: I started putting the electronics in because then I did a video with.
[911.98] Lee: The guy behind eCalc Marcus because because I printed it out of PLA, not lightweight.
[917.9] Lee: PLA was heavier than it was supposed to be or heavier than it could have been.
[921.62] Lee: Let's put it that way.
[922.7] Lee: So I wanted to make sure the motor and prop had enough static thrust, et cetera, et cetera.
[926.66] Lee: So we worked all throughout through in a video in eCalc.
[929.3] Lee: So then I ordered the specific motor and prop and all the electronics.
[932.66] Lee: We used the flight controller.
[934.14] Lee: There's another two days putting it all together.
[937.38] Lee: And then we went to the field and it was all over in a second and a half and it was smashed to pieces.
[944.38] Stephen: Well, did it just completely smash the pieces or is it slightly disassembled itself?
[950.46] Lee: No, no, it's knackered with a capital F.
[953.62] Lee: I could if I really if I really wanted to, I could get an exacto out.
[957.46] Lee: I could try and patch and repair the big pieces that were broken and had pieces of reprint bits that were knackered.
[964.82] Stephen: So it didn't just snap along the joins.
[967.06] Stephen: It ripped the printer part.
[969.26] Lee: It did. It snapped along the joins, but it also snapped along things like it.
[976.26] Lee: There was one area that I was worried when I was putting it together that I said when I was doing my build of it,
[981.1] Lee: that I was worried that it felt that it was a weak point because the whole wing and it's a bloody long wing.
[987.46] Lee: So if you hit it at the end, it's a lot of force.
[991.22] Lee: It's literally like point four of a millimeter around the outside that goes against the body.
[997.54] Lee: And there's a couple of vertical because all of the of course, the supports are printed internally.
[1001.98] Lee: There's a couple of vertical supports that you're going to glue as well.
[1004.42] Lee: And I was like, this whole wing is held on by literally this one seam of CA.
[1008.7] Lee: I thought there might have been a carbon fiber rod that would go through into the right route to support them,
[1016.1] Lee: which would have been the way I would have done it.
[1018.3] Lee: I don't know what I'm talking about.
[1019.54] Stephen: You'd assume there's a spar in there somewhere, right?
[1022.5] Lee: You were all a very large surface for lots of CA to provide lots of adhesion.
[1027.78] Lee: It snapped there, but the nose was smashed and crinkled.
[1032.78] Lee: We lost. But the thing is, it did like the motor mount was snapped.
[1036.18] Lee: So the motor, it was one of those with the shaft that comes out the back of the motor.
[1039.86] Lee: So the motor span ripped the wires out the SC after only after it had wound the wires around the shaft and worn the insulation off and shorted all three phases together.
[1051.86] Lee: So, yeah, it was kind of, you know, there were times when the radio control gods go, you know what, mate, this isn't for you.
[1061.74] Lee: And that was what I will almost certainly go back to 3D print because it was I was so annoyed.
[1067.98] Lee: That's not true. I wasn't annoyed.
[1069.14] Lee: I wasn't annoyed at my friend, definitely, because he was heartbroken.
[1072.02] Lee: He was having, to be fair, he was having a crap day before I turned up to go, hey, mate, do you mind if you can we go in your field and we'll chuck a wing?
[1078.82] Lee: Right. So he was heartbroken before at the start of the day.
[1082.3] Lee: Then I turned up, he threw it, he smashed into the ground and I was going, it's fine.
[1086.1] Lee: Don't worry about it. And then he was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe that happened.
[1091.14] Lee: I can't believe that happened.
[1092.26] Stephen: It doesn't even look like it had that hard of a landing.
[1094.82] Stephen: It just went down into the grass and totally mashed itself up.
[1097.9] Lee: Just it was like a special effect.
[1101.46] Lee: But you can see that right wing absolutely separates where that bit I was worried about.
[1106.74] Lee: It just kept coming off. Yeah.
[1108.46] Jack: I'm sorry to do this.
[1111.02] Lee: No, no, no, no, it's fine.
[1112.86] Lee: But the thing is, this is what looks so promising.
[1116.94] Lee: Well, no, because what you can't see, what happened, and it's absolutely not my friend's fault, is that the little dippy tab that's underneath,
[1126.1] Lee: which is just ahead of the CG marks that he was holding to throw, because it's so big as he started to throw it, it tilted back in his hand.
[1138.94] Lee: And it just went up because I'm standing off to the side with my radio.
[1143.94] Lee: Right. You know, my goggles on my head ready to rock and roll.
[1146.58] Lee: And as soon as you started throwing it, you could it kind of all went into slow motion.
[1150.3] Lee: You could see it just start to lift up and it went 45 degrees.
[1155.62] Lee: And I'm thinking there's no it's got thrust, but it hasn't got that much.
[1159.42] Lee: And it just stalled, nosed over.
[1161.46] Lee: I now auto launch is going, come on, come on.
[1164.58] Lee: So it fires the motor.
[1166.46] Lee: It's full throttle and it went straight in the ground.
[1169.42] Lee: It was all over. The audio is hilarious because it's like I could cut it all out for the video because because it literally is my my friend just like this little pain to yelp.
[1181.1] Curry: It's just beep, beep, beep, beep.
[1183.82] Lee: Actually, there was a lot of swearing.
[1185.26] Lee: I just went up. That was a very good throw, mate.
[1188.46] Lee: And then I got over to him and realized it was it was almost crying and like, you know what, it's fine.
[1193.5] Stephen: I don't you know, it was nice off to that disaster.
[1196.22] Stephen: To see you put a big grin on your face with a brand I've just bought my first plane from, actually, that at a Marcy, I've got a little flying fish that they produced.
[1207.74] Stephen: And it looks like there's something that you've described as wonderful here.
[1211.62] Stephen: And your your favorite plane of the year, was it?
[1215.06] Lee: Yes, by a country mile. Yeah.
[1217.1] Lee: So if you imagine that flying fish eats its three Weetabix for an entire year, this is what it would grow in strong.
[1224.78] Lee: Yeah, yeah. Gets big and strong and puts puts a few pounds on rows of detail and explicably.
[1230.62] Lee: But hey, look, all choices, you know, you know, the plane could be any gender it wants, right?
[1238.86] Lee: If it wants, you know, it's all good.
[1242.02] Lee: But this this is lovely.
[1243.22] Lee: This is this is something that is well, I think it's just out now at Marcy.
[1248.26] Lee: At Marcy are probably my favorite fixed wing manufacturer at the moment.
[1253.18] Lee: ZOHD used to do amazing stuff for modern FPV wings and planes.
[1259.54] Lee: They've completely lost the plot.
[1260.82] Lee: We haven't had anything decent out of them for two or three years.
[1263.38] Lee: Interestingly, there was a guy there called Ari.
[1265.9] Lee: If any of you heard of him, Ari was the guy that did all the community engagement.
[1270.06] Lee: He's the one that I worked with to create the AR Wing Pro.
[1273.78] Lee: They used to be the guys that had all this innovation.
[1278.06] Lee: And at Marcy, you've just kind of come out of nowhere and just seem to be smashing it.
[1283.14] Jack: I mean, that thing. Look at that.
[1285.9] Lee: Just just jumped into the air like a homesick angel.
[1292.18] Lee: I think it's how my friend puts it.
[1293.7] Lee: But it was before I could kind of get the auto launch off because I know it was already passing 240 feet.
[1302.78] Lee: It just shot. I was like, holy.
[1306.78] Lee: Whereas, yeah, it was the funny thing about that day is that particular day where we made in that plane,
[1313.38] Lee: it was exactly a week after we'd had the crash with the Eclipse model.
[1317.66] Lee: And I rang my friend again. I said, I've got two other things I need to fly to make videos on.
[1323.62] Lee: Are you around? And I could hear the trepidation in his voice.
[1327.58] Lee: He was like, oh, God, here we go again. He's like, yeah, I'm around me.
[1330.82] Lee: So I was like, great, great. I'm coming over, coming over.
[1332.94] Lee: So I turned up with this and I also turned up with the new Zake 800 Jumper VTOL.
[1342.66] Lee: And he just took one look at this and I could see all the color drain out of his face.
[1347.62] Lee: And I just said, don't worry about it. We'll do the VTOL first because you don't have to throw that.
[1352.46] Lee: All right. And then if if all goes well on the radio control gods are giving us the thumbs up today,
[1359.02] Lee: then I will throw. You'll notice it was me that time.
[1362.14] Lee: I will throw. And then if it all goes wrong, it's completely on me.
[1368.1] Lee: And he was like, OK, mate, that's fine. So if you wear the hat cam and be my spotter and he was like,
[1372.98] Lee: yeah, no, happy to do that. So that was the basis we did it.
[1376.1] Lee: So I think if I'd have asked him to throw it, he'd have probably gone, you know what, I'm out.
[1379.5] Lee: I'm going back in and having a cup of coffee and a lie down because it obviously did traumatize him
[1384.34] Lee: because normally we're throwing foam planes and you know what it's like if you throw something that's foam
[1389.26] Lee: and it hits the ground, it bounces. If something breaks one seam of hot glue and you're back in business,
[1394.9] Lee: it's rare that, you know, you have a lot. So the 3D print. Yeah.
[1398.7] Stephen: It's like through a jigsaw puzzle into the air.
[1401.1] Curry: It was. Sorry, do you think in retrospect the the way the launch, it was the two handed
[1407.9] Curry: over the head thing for that sort of thing where you might have.
[1411.38] Stephen: You might have been left underneath, catapulted the fuselage straight out the metal doing that.
[1416.94] Lee: I think what we should have done was hired a hot air balloon and then dropped it off the side.
[1423.34] Lee: And that would have probably worked OK.
[1425.1] Lee: Tie it to the VTOL next time. Yeah, I just tow it.
[1428.9] Lee: I think we were just unlucky. I think it was a it was the perfect storm of things that went wrong with it.
[1436.9] Lee: And it was heartbreaking that we didn't manage to at least see it fly because it is such a beautiful wing that with it's
[1444.18] Lee: because it's a very weird shape. You couldn't get that shape in foam easily.
[1449.1] Lee: But but yeah, that as well. Yeah, it was.
[1452.9] Lee: It's it looked. Yeah, it looked magic.
[1455.46] Lee: I was just I was just gutted because it's probably the longest build I've ever done.
[1460.02] Lee: And it was the shortest flight I've ever had.
[1463.9] Lee: So the moral of the story is don't take that much time.
[1466.62] Lee: Just, you know, whack, just crack it out and get to the field and get it flying.
[1470.22] Curry: Don't find me about. I like the fact you're still calling it a flight,
[1473.58] Curry: a flight, but a bad landing. It was in the air.
[1476.98] Lee: It was in the air. It was technically in the air or not under any kind of under control.
[1482.78] Lee: No, no. If we're going to start splitting hairs, you know, no, it was it was an unintended landing, I think is what I'll call it.
[1491.3] Lee: But yeah, it was good. So so now we've had like I said, you know, going back to what I was saying, we've had a lot of stuff in
[1498.94] Lee: unusually because summer was crap.
[1502.34] Lee: Again, it was like when covid first happened and China shut down and, you know,
[1508.74] Lee: all the YouTubers started doing live streams because they had nothing to talk about.
[1514.34] Lee: It was like that. I don't know. Where's all the where's all the kit?
[1517.1] Lee: The only thing we had literally was the walk snail stuff that everyone was making videos.
[1521.06] Lee: Obviously, now the DJI the new DJI.
[1523.58] Lee: So everyone's on that band where I can bang in that drum like crazy.
[1527.58] Lee: But I was talking to Jack earlier today and I made a video this afternoon because I I've been making videos,
[1535.02] Lee: believe it or not, since November 2007 was my first ever video on YouTube to help somebody else with radio control.
[1542.7] Lee: And I have over 16000 videos at this point.
[1546.34] Lee: Sorry, 1600 videos at this point, 16000, maybe another still a large number, but not quite as insane, right?
[1552.82] Lee: It's yeah, it gets that I have to do Google search to remember if I've done a video on it because some of them are,
[1560.26] Lee: you know, because because like when you're creating that much stuff.
[1563.5] Lee: And I had a great question today. I was talking to Jack about this earlier.
[1567.7] Lee: A guy pinged me a question with the bearing in much how much information now exists in the forums and YouTube and the community at large.
[1577.02] Lee: And he pinged me a question, said, I've got a 30 amp motor, but I've got a 40 amp ESC, is that OK?
[1584.5] Lee: Or is that going to be too much for the motor?
[1588.26] Lee: And I and I thought, you know what?
[1591.74] Lee: I've answered that question probably two dozen times in different videos about power systems and what motor and car.
[1599.02] Lee: Yeah, so exactly. So I was looking for this to say, you know, see timecode 2311 at this video.
[1606.18] Lee: And I thought, no, hang on a minute. I'm missing the point.
[1608.86] Lee: If somebody is asking me the question, they've obviously recently come into the hobby.
[1613.9] Lee: They I would hope they've done a basic Google search.
[1618.14] Lee: Maybe, but if they're doing a basic Google search, what they're going to search for, if I search for what this guy would search for, do I find a video?
[1625.62] Lee: The answer is no, I don't. So I was like, OK, guess what?
[1628.5] Lee: So I made a video today about I think it's called something.
[1632.1] Lee: I think the name of it is can I use an ESC with more amps than my motor or something like that is the name of it,
[1639.3] Lee: because that's more or less what the guy's going to search for.
[1641.98] Lee: But but that kind of stuff, although, you know, making that bloody 3D printed plane that took four months to make and one and a half seconds to destroy.
[1650.94] Lee: This video is one of those years ago.
[1655.18] Lee: Here we go. That's that's the that's the only one that's still up there.
[1658.9] Lee: There were ones before then that I've got rid of. Yeah.
[1663.62] Lee: Look at that gear mesh demo. Wow. Now, this is one of the now the reason that these were made,
[1669.02] Lee: these were back in the day where I used to be in the forums a lot for because they're all helicopter stuff you'll notice.
[1676.06] Lee: And I would do that thing. I've talked about it in the past.
[1678.66] Lee: But, you know, somebody would ask a great question.
[1680.9] Lee: How do you set the clearance in your gear mesh on a helicopter?
[1686.3] Lee: And see, hands still there. That looks a lot like the little hubson.
[1691.78] Lee: It is. It's a rebranded hook. That's exactly what it is. It's a H 107 or whatever it was.
[1696.94] Lee: Yeah. Hubson. Yeah, it was my this is my first ever quadcopter.
[1703.46] Lee: I was into helis and heli guy back then advertised this.
[1710.06] Lee: And in the photo, it looked really big.
[1715.82] Lee: So so I was like, oh, that looks quite good.
[1718.26] Lee: So so my wife said, oh, I'll get you one for Christmas.
[1722.5] Lee: So I said, that's brilliant. That's brilliant.
[1723.74] Lee: So she remember I used to get loads of stuff from heli guy.
[1727.94] Lee: I got I got a gift certificate once given to me.
[1731.1] Lee: And that's still the little little seal that was on it.
[1734.5] Lee: I still hear on my desk. But the when it arrived,
[1740.38] Lee: I found it so easy to fly because as a heli pilot, it wasn't trying to kill itself every two minutes.
[1745.78] Lee: And I, I burnt through two or three sets of motor brush motors on that little thing
[1751.26] Lee: and taught myself nose in hovering.
[1753.62] Lee: And then when the spring came, I could nose in hover my heli.
[1756.54] Lee: And I've probably gone through 300 pounds worth of spares fixing the heli every time I caught that up.
[1761.98] Lee: That viper saved me a fortune.
[1764.06] Lee: Must be say, look, must be Chris.
[1765.46] Lee: That's the FPV version.
[1767.94] Jack: It's Santa. Santa's out.
[1770.14] Jack: It must be. I'm sad that the fire is not lit.
[1773.98] Jack: But mind you, the chocolate Santa's might melt unless it's ceramic.
[1778.02] Lee: No, no, they're there would. But but what's why, Jack?
[1780.94] Lee: Yes. But but but literally my poor wife that year had to watch
[1785.42] Lee: become dancing every Saturday night with this thing hovering in front of her face as I was practicing nose in.
[1791.7] Lee: And that that is the reason that little bloody thing is the reason why I got into quadcopters.
[1797.66] Lee: And the next quad I got was actually from Armiton Chris.
[1802.62] Stephen: So I learned I learned quads on that after a disastrous stint with one of the large polystyrene models.
[1810.42] Stephen: I can't remember what the heck it was called a Wi-Fi controlled thing.
[1813.34] Stephen: AR drone. That was it. And it's a homage to that.
[1816.34] Stephen: I have the little FPV one, which I've managed to put a little F3 flight controller in.
[1821.34] Stephen: And yeah, just for giggles, it's running beta flight now.
[1826.3] Lee: They're such great little models, though, don't you think, Steve?
[1829.14] Lee: They just they're really stable. They just bounce off. Well, yeah, it's hard to get learning.
[1836.22] Lee: Yeah, I wish there were. So sorry, Jack.
[1839.42] Jack: Yeah, that's is that a Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii there?
[1846.22] Jack: That's how old this is.
[1848.78] Lee: She was. It probably is, mate. Yeah, believe it. Yes, it will be a 360.
[1852.02] Lee: And yeah, that does look like that. Yeah. Back in the day. Bless.
[1857.74] Jack: No, it doesn't. Oh, God. So you've seen a lot of you've seen a lot of VTOLs.
[1863.3] Stephen: And what's that bargain VTOL like you kind of.
[1867.14] Curry: I want to talk about this as well. I'm not sure about that.
[1870.06] Curry: It sounds like there's some controversy about them copying and what the license was.
[1874.98] Curry: And if they're allowed to do it and I didn't bring this up. What was going on?
[1880.3] Curry: I wanted to bring it up. So my fault.
[1883.38] Lee: So the short version of this is I got sent this out the blue.
[1890.26] Lee: So literally arrived and I opened this box and I think, what the bloody hell is this?
[1894.46] Lee: So I guess it was jumper because there's no manual in the box.
[1897.9] Lee: But there's kind of the, you know, the jumper logo embossed on one of the plastic parts.
[1902.7] Lee: So I emailed jumper just going, hello, I've been sent this thing.
[1907.5] Lee: What is it? And they went, oh, it's our veto.
[1909.74] Lee: And I went, oh, right. Brilliant. I haven't got a manual. Have you got manual?
[1912.94] Lee: And they went, not yet. No, we're still working on the manual.
[1916.66] Lee: And I went, OK, right. Send me one when you're ready.
[1919.06] Lee: So I posted a picture and thinking this looks actually pretty cool.
[1923.98] Lee: And I had a quick look online to see if anyone was listing it.
[1926.54] Lee: And the only place selling it at the time was AliExpress, which is always a little bit of a red flag.
[1932.02] Lee: Only AliExpress is listing it.
[1934.94] Lee: So I posted a picture just going, you know, this looks interesting, blah, blah, blah.
[1938.94] Lee: And had a message from a guy called Stephen who has spent a lot of time as part of a group.
[1944.94] Lee: He's actually a university in the States creating this thing called the Mini Hawk veto.
[1951.26] Lee: Now, the Mini Hawk veto is a 3D printable, simple, easy veto for people to play with.
[1957.9] Lee: Right. Now, I never heard of this. So when he sent me the link, I was thinking, no,
[1962.5] Lee: they won't have copied it at all.
[1963.9] Lee: So I clicked on his link and opened up his project.
[1966.58] Lee: And it's exactly the same model.
[1969.62] Lee: The difference is his is 3D printed.
[1972.86] Lee: It's all one piece.
[1974.46] Lee: And then someone has taken that model and then just figured out how to make it in foam, reinforce it,
[1980.34] Lee: make all of the connectors they've obviously made the molds to inject foam into, which is not a cheap thing.
[1987.7] Stephen: That is, you know, they didn't just completely rip it off and take the 3D prints and chuck them into molds.
[1993.3] Lee: Then that's something I know.
[1995.98] Lee: No, I think there is an argument to make it sufficiently.
[2000.42] Lee: It's an evolution.
[2001.34] Lee: However, what happened with this is that the reason that Stephen was so annoyed about this is that Jumper never contacted him or talked to him about the fact that they were doing this,
[2011.18] Lee: which I think is the ethical, professional way to do it.
[2015.1] Lee: Right. Even and also he shared all of this stuff as part of the project and the Creative Commons non-commercial bla bla bla license.
[2025.1] Lee: So so Jumper had obviously taken this great idea that come and then well, or somebody, because I'm not sure Jumper has done it because it's Jumper done it.
[2033.3] Lee: They've written a manual. But anyway, so they've taken it and they've done a load of engineering to turn it into a foam model because now the wings come off.
[2040.78] Lee: They've got a flight controller in it.
[2042.46] Lee: They've designed the PDB or the wiring is done.
[2044.94] Lee: The autopilot setup sorted out.
[2046.94] Lee: It's ready so you can plug in analog or digital HD FPV in the front.
[2052.06] Lee: It's it's actually really quite good.
[2054.14] Lee: A fair amount of integration work.
[2057.06] Lee: Yeah, I would say it's several versions on from the 3D.
[2064.34] Stephen: It's like they didn't do the from scratch design, but they did a bunch of integration work to make it easier to use.
[2071.42] Lee: So so now as of today, actually, it looks like because I did two videos where I was shaming Jumper a little bit about this.
[2082.06] Lee: Because I was going, this this isn't on.
[2084.78] Lee: Yeah, because the thing is, you know, these guys have put in their work for the design, even if it is, you know, it's it's they should at least make a reference to the license.
[2094.98] Lee: Yeah. So so that that conversation has started.
[2099.9] Lee: So there was two things that happened almost immediately when I did my first videos on this.
[2104.02] Lee: I got a you know, Andrew Tridwell Tridge, who's one of the main.
[2109.7] Lee: Right. OK, so Tridge is one of the main autopilot developers and him and I chat on Skype all the time.
[2115.98] Lee: So he he's got hold of one. Sadly, he got hold of one with this one of the servers is knackered.
[2121.5] Lee: So his doesn't work. But that's the whole story.
[2124.5] Lee: But he plugged it into our autopilot because when I got it, I said, I'm not going to make a video until you give me a manual.
[2132.58] Lee: Right. Because it means I've got to then plug it into the computer, figure out all the stuff you've done to set it up,
[2138.78] Lee: how it all works, what all the stuff needs to be right.
[2141.9] Lee: I've got to do all that. And I said, I will do that all for you.
[2146.1] Lee: I'll even you know, I can write the manual stuff like that, but I'm not doing that for free.
[2150.06] Lee: That's not my job as a reviewer. You know, you sent me a product, give me the manual.
[2154.54] Lee: So I was hanging on. So Andrew then sends me an email because he said, right, we've looked at it,
[2160.22] Lee: that here's a list of all the things I'm going to go through, all the things that they'd found that could be improved in the existing setup.
[2166.9] Lee: So, Frank, give me one example.
[2170.1] Lee: The ESCs that run the motors in it are capable of BD shot, but the set for PWM control.
[2177.18] Lee: So if we turn on BD shot, that allows us to fly directional D shot.
[2183.18] Lee: Yeah. So if telemetry. Yeah, exactly.
[2185.78] Lee: So we can we can do all that. We get much faster control and much faster telemetry from all the motors.
[2192.18] Lee: That means we can I'm saying we here because the autopilot guys are doing it.
[2196.78] Stephen: I just I'm sat the sidelines. Yeah, it means you can filter out the motor RPM and stuff.
[2201.1] Stephen: So you just get much better frequency. Well, also response to oscillations and frequency.
[2207.34] Lee: Exactly. We can push the tune. We can make it fly an awful lot better.
[2210.82] Stephen: It doesn't have a whole other thing, though, trying to get these manufacturers in China to ship stuff with BlueJ, which is free.
[2217.14] Stephen: There's this ongoing push that go on. It's free. Please use it. Please use it.
[2220.5] Stephen: But it's really hard to get them to pre-flash ESCs.
[2223.14] Stephen: They're just like, no, just send them out with the old, you know, old bill heli from 18 years ago.
[2229.94] Lee: Yeah, because it kind of works.
[2233.18] Lee: So now we've got the two conversations happening.
[2235.66] Lee: One is the autopilot team and now talking to jumper.
[2241.02] Lee: And that jump, the autopilot team now feeding back to jumper, all the things that should change,
[2245.66] Lee: because there's also an issue with the way the idea works on the flight controller.
[2250.66] Lee: That means that mission planner could flush it incorrectly. But that's the whole so that's going on.
[2256.1] Stephen: Is it a sketchy, cloned flight controller or is it a decent flight controller?
[2261.02] Lee: I am. I think it's probably more the former because the idea on the flight controller is not that flight controller.
[2268.18] Lee: It's there so that mission planner will talk to it. So it's OK. It's something else.
[2275.18] Lee: So I've never seen it before, but it seems to work OK.
[2278.62] Lee: And then so you got that conversation.
[2280.42] Lee: You got the other conversation now happening between the guys who created the original 3D print and now jumper.
[2288.1] Lee: So that so both our streams are underway. So I I wasn't going to make a video.
[2293.14] Lee: So I got the manual. But I've had over the last week about between seven and 10 people contact me going,
[2300.7] Lee: oh, my God, I have already bought one. Have I just wasted 200 quid?
[2307.02] Lee: And I'm kind of going, oh, because I because some of them have bought them because, you know,
[2312.78] Lee: they watch the first 10 minutes, the video go and buy one.
[2315.14] Lee: They watch the last five minutes where I call out all the stuff I'm not happy with.
[2318.66] Lee: So I was like, oh, sugar, I'm going to have to figure this out.
[2321.42] Lee: So because I've been working with the autopilot team and Andrew's been amazing anyway,
[2325.62] Lee: I had a rough idea of how it was set up. So then I logged in and figured it out.
[2329.94] Lee: And there's a video out on Saturday with the maiden flight showing you how to set the radio up and do all that.
[2336.38] Lee: So I've only done making a bloody video that tells you how to set the thing up anyway.
[2341.14] Stephen: But but you know, that's going to be in the place on their website where the manual should be now.
[2346.54] Stephen: There's going to be your video there. Yeah, probably.
[2349.42] Lee: And it means that now everybody that has a problem with it is going to leave a comment on my video.
[2353.66] Lee: And I'm going to be free support from my support for the product. But there were so many.
[2360.26] Lee: I'm literally getting three, two or three a day at the moment that people contact me going, oh, my God,
[2364.54] Lee: I've ordered one of these. I've just wasted my money, particularly as lots of people have been putting on the comments.
[2370.14] Lee: Don't buy this. This is a ripoff product. You know, some people, you know, but lots of people that I've talked to don't care.
[2378.3] Lee: It's a 200 pound beetle. You know, you can buy. It's a fixer wrapper. Yeah, it is.
[2383.82] Lee: It's it's you know, like we were talking about the Viper is all the hub sound was a was a was kind of an entry level drug into full quads.
[2391.54] Lee: Yeah. You know, this is going to be one of those that you get.
[2394.22] Stephen: And then you end up with a two thousand dollars. You swap out the flight controller and you swap out the SC and do God knows what.
[2400.62] Lee: Yeah. Now, interestingly, it looks like the price went up on this today.
[2407.1] Stephen: We're going to have to hire a documentation team, guys. Yeah. Yeah.
[2411.26] Lee: How you and it cost? Oh, 20 dollars. Sounds about right to me.
[2418.66] Lee: But the funny thing is, it's even with the suboptimal configuration of our plane and quad plane that's on this thing, it flies.
[2428.62] Lee: Great. No problems at all. It actually flies really well.
[2433.02] Lee: I was quite impressed. So I can't wait to see what they do with it.
[2437.54] Lee: I just hope they take care of the mini haul project because I think that would be the professional thing to do.
[2443.02] Lee: Because if you don't, every time someone talks about this thing, then it's a very good reaction stuff.
[2450.26] Jack: Yeah, it breaks down like a phantom four case, isn't it?
[2456.78] Lee: Yeah, it's just a foam injection molded thing.
[2458.9] Lee: It doesn't quite fit in the case because the servos, but it's close.
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[2488.78] Curry: Is there like a minimum they should have done versus preferred?
[2491.62] Curry: So in comments, creative comments, the minimum is you have to basically say where the original design came from.
[2501.58] Curry: You have to sort of name them.
[2503.02] Curry: But the right thing to do with work with the company or the individuals to say, let me I want to work with you and produce something based on your design.
[2513.54] Lee: I think the minimum creative comments, one that I used to do a lot of stuff under is called just called attribution and literally that's it.
[2520.02] Lee: You can do whatever you want with it. You can sell it. You can set it on fire.
[2523.46] Lee: So long as you say this is painless 360 design, you're good.
[2526.9] Lee: You've complied with the with the license and then it gets more and more severe until some of the most restrictive ones are the ones that I currently use,
[2536.06] Lee: which are non-commercial, no derivatives, because what other people can do then is they can take it and sell it, which happened to me loads of times.
[2544.34] Lee: I constantly would go to shows.
[2546.38] Lee: And, you know, back in the days where we used to have these big radio control shows and there'd be lots of people selling stuff and they'd have, you know,
[2552.82] Lee: there'd be those kind of rotating plastic packets of stuff on the on, you know, that you would have things like props, spanners and, you know, all those kind of things.
[2562.18] Lee: And I'd always find 3D model I built and I'd be thinking, wow, that looks really like the skull props out of that design.
[2568.9] Lee: That's really hang on a minute.
[2570.82] Lee: And then I'd pick it up and look at the back and it'd be like.
[2573.42] Lee: And there wouldn't if it just literally said design bypass 360, then they've been in compliance.
[2578.42] Lee: So I changed it to non-commercial.
[2580.3] Lee: So I could say to people and I've had it since where they go, well, that's all right.
[2583.78] Lee: And it was like, no, you're in breach of the of the license.
[2587.7] Lee: And the other one is the no derivatives, because the thing is, if you allow derivatives that I could take your design courage, change a handful of things and say, right, it's my design now.
[2599.06] Stephen: This is literally take your spanner and remove the etching on the back that says buy painless 360, just blank that out and be like my spanner now.
[2606.7] Lee: My spanner now and I'm going to do whatever I want with it and you can't stop me.
[2610.34] Lee: So I use those two.
[2611.74] Lee: But the way I view these things and this is something I was saying to Stephen on an email today is that there are things that I share in places like Thingiverse and stuff that I even with that license, I know people are going to rip off.
[2625.3] Lee: Right. Because China is like the Wild West in terms of protection and of intellectual property.
[2631.58] Lee: You know, you tend to there's only about three or four factories that make all the stuff that we use in the hobby and it's full of industrial espionage.
[2638.9] Lee: I mean, some of the stories that I've got from Fat Shark and Radio Master and it would make would make your toes curl.
[2644.54] Lee: It is ridiculous. You know, there's one thing having a license.
[2647.58] Stephen: It's another having license and lawyer money to go and enforce the license because you can't just automatically enforce it.
[2653.54] Lee: You've got to bring a lawsuit against the company and then take them to court and prove that they are in the wrong in another country, which which is going to China, which is which is China.
[2666.14] Lee: So so so I initially, you know, some of the conversations I had with Jumper were Jumper, to be fair, I speak to a marketing guy, not the engineers, but the marketing guy was saying, I can't believe that we've taken up taken this.
[2679.5] Lee: And then, you know, just today, the conversation started by the look of it between.
[2684.78] Lee: And I'm not going to comment on that because that's, you know, that's their business.
[2688.7] Stephen: But I'm just happy that the conversation has started to be as simple as saying, just thank you very much to this person.
[2694.98] Stephen: And that's it. They just put a note on the Web page where they sell it and say, thank you for the help designing this by so and so you see this with quad manufacturers quite a lot.
[2703.42] Stephen: Like there are a lot of frames like HGLRC did a lot of stuff by, I think, Steve C.
[2709.42] Stephen: And there were some designers who popularized lightweight, long range frames that were four inch frames a couple of years ago.
[2716.54] Stephen: Dave C. Yeah, Dave C.
[2718.42] Stephen: And his designs were widely copied and used.
[2721.98] Stephen: And the same with Chris Ross's AOS line.
[2724.34] Stephen: If you just a credit people for a lot of these designs, then it gets rid of that bad blood right off the bat.
[2730.3] Stephen: As long as you reach out and say, this is awesome, maybe they want to kick back.
[2734.02] Stephen: But if you've got Creative Commons licensing and not already, it's as simple as saying, thank you for your help designing it.
[2740.14] Stephen: Move on. Right. Yeah, I mean, it's that simple and they don't do it.
[2743.7] Curry: It's a bit of a sting, isn't it? Yeah, it is.
[2746.06] Lee: And I think if they don't do it and it means that every time it appears, there's going to be a load of people will pile on and just go.
[2753.38] Lee: It's been ripped off. Do not buy it.
[2756.22] Lee: And it's a shame because it's actually a bloody good design.
[2759.74] Lee: And somebody's put in a shed load of work to take it from that 3D printed version, which is all one piece.
[2765.02] Lee: The wings don't come off into a phone version that snaps together and the flight controls set up and all that stuff.
[2772.38] Lee: It just it beggars belief why they didn't do a manual and why they didn't.
[2777.38] Lee: Well, I kind of know because, you know, it's a different culture.
[2781.7] Lee: But if I was using something of yours, Curry, I was going to I would we have in the past, you know, we'll have it.
[2788.42] Lee: We'll ring each other up and go, oh, blah, blah, blah.
[2790.46] Lee: We'll have a quick chat about it and figure out what we're going to do.
[2793.86] Lee: It doesn't seem to be that way of working.
[2796.66] Lee: It's almost like you do it when, you know, you get called out for it rather than you do it as a as a course of just a professional way you handle the business.
[2806.34] Stephen: And it could be an entry way into the community.
[2810.18] Stephen: People who know VTOLS, if they see that it's designed by so and so, they're going to give it more respect than Jumper,
[2817.38] Stephen: they're the people who did this old T-16 radio and then everyone moved to Radio Master.
[2822.22] Stephen: Like it gives them a boost.
[2824.78] Stephen: It gets them into that community.
[2828.42] Lee: It's an opportunity if they'd handled it a little bit differently, probably a little bit better for Jumper, like you say, to rebrand themselves as not just a radio company.
[2838.42] Lee: You know, to be a model manufacturer, because actually in the hobby, we could do with a few more of those.
[2843.94] Lee: That's not necessarily a bad thing.
[2845.34] Lee: We don't, you know, the people like Hobbyking don't make any planes anymore.
[2850.1] Stephen: You know, people could do with people who take a punt on new designs out of the community as well.
[2857.58] Stephen: You know, people who are willing to look out there for new designs rather than just take something that used to work and sell a slightly tweaked version of it.
[2866.02] Lee: Yeah, wouldn't that be a great idea if there was a company like Jumper who absolutely was a place that if you have a great proven design that's 3D printed,
[2874.9] Lee: you could take it to them and work with them.
[2876.78] Lee: And there would be some kind of commercial arrangement where they evolve into a font.
[2880.78] Lee: Yeah, that would because that means they go.
[2883.02] Lee: Well, I think we'll make two thousand of these.
[2885.02] Stephen: It'll pay for this many pieces of molding.
[2887.38] Stephen: So what parts do we want to make out of injection molding?
[2890.38] Stephen: Oh, let's this, this and this.
[2892.06] Lee: Off we go. We save all this money on R&D because that's already been done.
[2897.34] Lee: They can provide us with a flight controller configuration file.
[2901.42] Lee: All that stuff could be done that that actually it's wouldn't that be so cool that and have the community somewhere that, you know, you could almost have a have an inbox that you could just email and just go check out this URL.
[2915.22] Lee: This is a great veto wing and playing whatever.
[2918.7] Stephen: And if they're working with the community, then before you know it, there's going to be a website up there that dissects that autopilot configuration and spells out why each section is configured the way it is.
[2930.82] Stephen: Lays it out better than some hastily printed manual would accomplish.
[2936.14] Lee: Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think there is an opportunity.
[2940.14] Lee: I am excited.
[2942.3] Lee: The fact that atom R.C. have have brought out the first inside plane, which is the one that we were looking at before that swordfish.
[2951.22] Lee: But really sticking with that kind of marine animal naming convention.
[2957.94] Lee: So and it's a great plane, but the thing is, again, with that one, the flight controller in it with it, it looks like a Maytec 405, but it isn't.
[2968.14] Curry: Talking talking of this, we've had a question from Caroline, who's asked me but meant you and she says, will atom R.C. be selling the flight controller separately?
[2977.54] Curry: It looked like a decent F-405 based one. Do you have any insight to that?
[2982.46] Lee: I don't. It is.
[2987.06] Lee: I'm having problems with it because.
[2993.34] Lee: I think there needs to be some optimization of the setup on the flight controller.
[2999.5] Lee: So so the short version is is that all the testing of it looks like it's been done with for CRSF receivers because express LRS is everyone flies express LRS.
[3010.66] Lee: Apparently, I still use S bus, you know, I'm old.
[3014.06] Stephen: I saw you put an F-R sky in there and I was thinking, wait, what?
[3018.26] Stephen: You've got your digital VTX and you've got your F-R sky receiver like one of those is the wrong generation for the other one.
[3024.14] Lee: Because I still have my Taranis from 2014 that still works flawlessly.
[3028.62] Stephen: I still have a whole cut out that they have on the back of Taranis is the little cut out.
[3034.86] Stephen: Don't know what it's there for, but some people. Yeah, that's where my crossfire goes.
[3038.38] Lee: Yeah. But the thing is, I literally have a briefcase full of X-8Rs from when I used to have loads and loads of planes.
[3046.38] Lee: So as those things were retired and passed on, I've ended up with literally a briefcase.
[3053.38] Stephen: Whoa, Jack, how did you do that?
[3057.14] Lee: How did he do that? I don't know.
[3059.78] Lee: Is that a full size crossfire, bud? Yeah, proper.
[3064.78] Stephen: That's all about the museum pieces. Yeah.
[3067.38] Stephen: Yeah, see, it fits right in there.
[3071.18] Stephen: It's like they designed it to go in there or something.
[3073.1] Jack: My back door has crumbled, which ironically is a thing I could relate to medically.
[3083.5] Jack: By the way, Stephen, speaking of history.
[3087.38] Jack: You, I've got you a little present, but I don't know whether Uncle Lee can help with this.
[3095.98] Jack: But you've got a HS 1177 here and you've got a H frame.
[3105.38] Jack: And I think it's four, maybe it might be five inch and an old clover leaf.
[3113.66] Lee: Oh, look at that bare wire.
[3116.46] Jack: I know. And look, OK, too, too many.
[3123.18] Jack: So you can you can join with me and Curry Kitten.
[3131.22] Jack: And if Uncle Lee still has this, you know, the thing, you can join the flying pieces of crap.
[3143.62] Stephen: Look, take it and I could put one of these in a 40 amp AIO with an H 743.
[3149.78] Lee: You're not allowed to. It just kids, honestly, you don't know you're born.
[3155.1] Lee: You really don't. You know, it's that quad that you just showed, Jack,
[3160.34] Lee: what is something called an arm of town, CNC 258.
[3164.82] Lee: It's made of billet aluminium that's been machined.
[3169.02] Lee: It could kill somebody if you hit it with it.
[3172.78] Stephen: And if it crashes, it won't break.
[3174.58] Stephen: It'll just deform and end up really slightly out of symmetry and wobbly it.
[3179.9] Lee: I bent an arm on that.
[3181.78] Lee: I had to order another arm.
[3183.42] Lee: But that it's in the old days where we used to use plane motors.
[3187.3] Lee: Do you remember that before we had a look at it?
[3189.7] Jack: Twenty two. That is a giant eighteen hundred KV.
[3194.9] Jack: You know, that's low KV because it feels like I need a dinner.
[3198.9] Lee: Seven, seven inch props, kids, seven inch props.
[3202.66] Lee: But that was my second ever quad.
[3204.38] Lee: That's the one I bought after having that little hubs on Viper.
[3208.46] Curry: Oh, it looks like the antique shop as well.
[3212.54] Curry: This is my I'll be flying this tomorrow.
[3215.42] Curry: This is my KK build fly of all this stuff I could find.
[3220.86] Curry: And it has your KK flight controller in there,
[3224.82] Curry: which I had to reverse the jar on this.
[3227.02] Curry: And that meant I had to put a screwdriver in, turn a pot, turn it on,
[3230.58] Curry: put the throttle up, turn the pot back and see what happens.
[3235.02] Curry: And I even found a battery from 2013 to use on it.
[3238.62] Curry: This is going to fly sideways.
[3240.46] Curry: The PZO 420.
[3242.62] Curry: We have a we have a little server there.
[3245.14] Lee: Chills as well.
[3246.7] Curry: The little 10 inch props.
[3249.14] Curry: Keep it subtle.
[3251.34] Stephen: And look at the whole thing.
[3252.54] Stephen: Just flashing this recently and just testing out some new software
[3256.86] Stephen: on this, I thought for balance, here's a modern seven inch with again,
[3263.46] Stephen: an H 743 DJI, not current.
[3266.46] Stephen: I know mag, couple of antennas.
[3270.66] Stephen: Just sensible, sensible eight seven inch quad.
[3274.78] Stephen: Yawn. What's wrong with that?
[3277.26] Stephen: What's the point of that?
[3278.9] Curry: What's wrong with that old school?
[3281.18] Lee: Oh, my word.
[3284.38] Lee: Yeah, we've come a long way, kids, haven't we?
[3286.1] Lee: We really have.
[3287.46] Lee: It's you know, these days we don't have to have like Jack and I were talking
[3290.98] Lee: earlier on about how the hobby used to be.
[3292.78] Lee: You'd buy all of these 15, 20 pound boards and you'd have about six of them.
[3296.94] Lee: Four would be ESCs.
[3298.74] Lee: You know, yeah, radios like that.
[3300.98] Lee: And you'd spend days wiring this bloody thing up.
[3305.02] Lee: You know, the on screen display wasn't on the flight controller.
[3308.02] Lee: Your ESCs definitely weren't.
[3311.38] Lee: Yeah, it was.
[3312.54] Lee: Oh, my God. Yeah, it's and now on all in one, you know,
[3315.9] Lee: just solder everything to it.
[3317.02] Lee: Bang, Bosch.
[3318.18] Lee: Away you go. It's it's something we send.
[3323.18] Jack: Have we got enough time to like just quickly,
[3328.02] Jack: you know, cover cover this time's got away from me.
[3332.94] Jack: But hang on.
[3334.62] Jack: That's let's talk about the
[3338.38] Jack: the said sales agreement of Red Cat.
[3342.3] Jack: So the riot and fact shark holdings will allow us
[3346.3] Jack: to focus our efforts on the tour, military and defense.
[3350.74] Jack: Do you know who it's being sold to as well?
[3353.9] Curry: Is it up for sale or has it been sold?
[3356.22] Stephen: It was sold by Red Cat CEO Jeff Thompson to Jeff Thompson.
[3363.42] Stephen: So he sold it to himself, apparently, or a shell company that he owns.
[3368.22] Stephen: But yeah, a great deal.
[3370.02] Stephen: But the main thing appears to be that Rota riot and fat shark
[3373.66] Stephen: are basically moved out of the Red Cat portfolio.
[3376.9] Stephen: So he sold them to himself.
[3378.22] Stephen: He's moved them out of his main company.
[3380.06] Stephen: That's all apparently now they we said last week
[3384.22] Stephen: they had hired a defense adviser to be on the board of Red Cat.
[3388.42] Stephen: So it looks like they're going all in on government and military.
[3391.74] Stephen: And then fat shark and Rota riot get kind of
[3396.14] Stephen: moved out of the serious boys crowd into just
[3399.82] Stephen: we have these as well somewhere on the sidelines.
[3403.14] Stephen: So kind of odd to see what's happening now.
[3405.58] Stephen: I was surprised to see them both move together.
[3407.94] Stephen: I was kind of expecting maybe Rota riot to be moved out.
[3410.5] Stephen: It's just a hobbyist collective and online shop.
[3413.82] Stephen: Whereas maybe fat shark would have some future in industry.
[3417.66] Stephen: But it's odd to see that fat shark are clearly not part
[3420.98] Stephen: of the industrial drone crowd, according to that
[3424.26] Stephen: delineation with teal and everything.
[3429.06] Lee: I think it's interesting.
[3430.1] Lee: I don't know whether or not they were hoping because I didn't know
[3435.18] Lee: if the reason that they've got the fat shark and the walk
[3439.26] Lee: snail stuff and all that happened, that it there was an eye
[3441.9] Lee: on some kind of military contact, the contract or application,
[3445.9] Lee: particularly with Ukraine using so many smaller drone systems.
[3451.18] Lee: I'm guessing that didn't happen.
[3453.58] Stephen: That's clearly happened for them with teal that they've got
[3456.66] Stephen: an inspection drones and similar stuff.
[3461.22] Stephen: And I thought that fat shark were featuring within that inspection
[3464.82] Stephen: drone market. What does his actual main company do?
[3469.57] Stephen: Looks like a holding company.
[3471.01] Stephen: So it's Red Cat Holdings, right?
[3472.53] Stephen: Its job is to own other companies.
[3475.17] Lee: Yeah, it's just a place for them to sit and be a portfolio.
[3479.65] Lee: But but yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3483.09] Lee: Contracts for the military are where the money is
[3484.85] Lee: for technology, definitely because I know with the stuff I've done
[3488.53] Lee: in the past, you know, the drone systems that we make in the hobby
[3492.97] Lee: that might be nine, ten thousand dollars that we think are ridiculously
[3497.17] Lee: expensive, the same kind of capability.
[3499.89] Lee: You know, it's it's you know, you could buy a house for that
[3504.21] Lee: for the equivalent system, military grade.
[3508.53] Curry: We've literally seen the same things.
[3509.93] Curry: I've seen the old Skywalker models appear on military videos
[3514.05] Curry: with a like a modern camo paint.
[3516.45] Curry: And you know, that's been sold for like multiple thousands, not 100 quid.
[3521.49] Curry: This is what I should say.
[3522.45] Lee: Oh, it'll be more than I guarantee it'll be more than multiple thousands.
[3526.77] Lee: It will it will be tens of thousands.
[3529.97] Stephen: So you can see the markup.
[3531.97] Stephen: The markup used to get for medical equipment.
[3533.73] Stephen: You could take a crappy old like 12 inch, 14 inch VGA monitor.
[3538.09] Stephen: And if you go through medical certification, you could charge
[3541.49] Stephen: thousands of pounds for that.
[3543.05] Stephen: Now imagine that, but with much larger budgets.
[3546.85] Stephen: That's the military.
[3548.29] Lee: Yeah, because you've got all the contracts
[3549.57] Lee: then for support, maintenance, spares, you know, all that stuff.
[3554.69] Lee: It becomes very lucrative.
[3557.49] Lee: I thought I thought if it was going to happen for someone like Fat Shark
[3561.85] Lee: with the Warksnell system, the with all the stuff going on in Ukraine,
[3565.37] Lee: that would because that's really proven that small portable hobby grade
[3570.45] Lee: drone system still can be useful on a battlefield situation.
[3574.37] Lee: Doesn't have to be something the size of a, you know, a Ford Focus
[3577.97] Lee: that you that you launch off a bungee, you know, it can be something that fits
[3581.57] Lee: in the back, you know, a Phantom or a Mavic Mini or whatever,
[3585.17] Lee: or even a little quad like we make and build.
[3588.41] Lee: I thought that would, you know, people would have been like, right,
[3590.45] Lee: let's box this up, let's make it.
[3591.93] Lee: So it's, you know, kind of true portable and usable.
[3596.77] Lee: I wonder if that was all part of what's going on.
[3599.45] Lee: Because I know that it seemed to be that Greg, who used to
[3602.93] Lee: he was the power behind Fat Shark, who I started it all.
[3606.97] Lee: I know Greg reasonably well.
[3608.21] Lee: And it just seemed to be that after the acquisition,
[3611.05] Lee: he was less and less involved on a daily basis of what was going on
[3615.69] Stephen: because he was the guy that was so much so that infamously
[3618.13] Stephen: Warksnell got his name wrong when they launched the goggles.
[3621.49] Stephen: They got called gurgles for a while because they attributed
[3625.09] Stephen: the Fat Shark relationship to an individual called Gerg.
[3629.65] Stephen: Instead of even spelling his name correctly.
[3632.33] Stephen: Maybe sort of sneezed when they said it.
[3634.13] Stephen: Why? Yeah.
[3635.05] Stephen: In the press release, they said, thank you to Gerg and Fat Shark.
[3639.77] Lee: I think the story goes that when Greg was wheeled out
[3643.25] Lee: for that Rota Riot marketing stunt before Warksnell was
[3648.21] Lee: that he hadn't got his own set at the point they pushed him
[3651.93] Lee: in front of Josh Bardwell to do the interview.
[3653.93] Lee: So he hadn't actually had his hands on them.
[3656.37] Lee: He was just a figurehead that was kind of wheeled out.
[3659.61] Stephen: Apparently, he's infamously uncomfortable in front of a camera.
[3663.21] Stephen: And yeah, he had a tough time, tough time in that shoot.
[3667.97] Lee: It didn't come across as natural.
[3670.41] Lee: No, but but it but yeah, so I was disappointed that was the case
[3676.61] Lee: because it used to be when I had a problem with something that I was doing,
[3679.97] Lee: I could ping Greg and Greg is a technologist.
[3684.17] Lee: You know, he's like a Tony Stark kind of figure because, you know,
[3687.21] Lee: when when you talk to him on Skype, he's their soldier and while he's
[3689.81] Lee: naturating to you, you know, he's that kind of guy and I'd ring him.
[3693.57] Lee: And it's like, I honestly don't know Lee because I haven't been involved in it.
[3697.37] Lee: And I was just like, oh, this is heartbreaking
[3699.13] Lee: because he was the guy that was, you know, he used to take a lot of flack
[3703.49] Lee: because every time that, you know, brought out goggles, everyone went crap.
[3707.37] Lee: And although everyone said that, every thumbnail was always back, John Killer.
[3711.29] Lee: Every time a set of goggles came out and then, you know, people like him
[3715.41] Lee: and Trappie always seemed to have a big target on the back.
[3718.01] Lee: But but it was a shame that he wasn't there, you know, kind of driving everything
[3723.69] Lee: because he understood what the hobby was about and because he was a pilot
[3727.45] Lee: and he was building stuff that he wanted to use.
[3729.77] Lee: And I think I definitely feel that once
[3733.17] Lee: have they brought out any of the goggles apart from the walks
[3735.33] Lee: now after the acquisition?
[3737.73] Lee: I don't think they have that.
[3738.93] Jack: Do they attitude the green ones
[3742.45] Jack: or the new did you have HD?
[3745.61] Stephen: Scout HD, the Scout HD appeared.
[3748.25] Stephen: They were called an alpha product, although they were sold with HD zero. Right.
[3754.13] Lee: That was it. I think that's the only one because the green attitude
[3757.41] Lee: V3s, I think, were already I knew that they were coming
[3760.89] Lee: before the acquisition happened, so they'd been in the pipeline for ages.
[3764.29] Lee: It was one of those things where Fat Shark, I don't think, wanted to release them
[3767.57] Lee: because there were loads of attitude V2s in the channel.
[3770.77] Stephen: And because they love releasing things for the same name,
[3772.93] Stephen: there's going to be another Scout HD that's going to be walks now.
[3775.61] Stephen: And they're both called Scouts HD.
[3777.49] Stephen: So if you buy a Scout HD,
[3780.37] Stephen: you may end up with HD zero, you may end up with walks now.
[3784.77] Stephen: You know, this choice.
[3786.45] Lee: Well, it's just as confusing now because radio manufacturers
[3789.25] Lee: have at least three versions of every radio, don't they?
[3791.53] Lee: They have the one that's the four in one.
[3793.61] Lee: They have the ELS version.
[3795.21] Lee: The number of emails I get with people going,
[3797.29] Lee: I'm trying to bind to my spectrum receiver and I can't do it.
[3801.01] Lee: And I go, OK, what radio have you got?
[3802.69] Lee: And they go, I've got the RadioMaster TX16S ELRS edition.
[3806.85] Lee: And you go, I think I've found the problem.
[3811.49] Lee: Lots of, you know, because they just they just all without
[3814.37] Lee: if they're not in the hobby, they don't realize that, you know,
[3816.77] Lee: like you said, the little thing at the back,
[3818.17] Lee: they're going to have to buy something to plug into that hole.
[3820.85] Jack: Well, we module. Right.
[3823.09] Jack: That is all we have time for, unfortunately.
[3826.69] Jack: Lee, you have been fantastic.
[3829.65] Lee: Thank you so much for being able to hang out.
[3832.93] Lee: Thank you, guys.
[3833.97] Jack: You know, it's good when time just flies by.
[3837.97] Jack: I was just like, zoom.
[3839.89] Jack: Oh, man. Now it's time to put my pajamas on.
[3843.69] Stephen: And also thank you to our amazing patrons.
[3847.09] Stephen: Thank you, everyone in the chat.
[3848.93] Stephen: Everyone donating. Thanks very much.
[3851.49] Jack: I would if I could just find a lighter.
[3855.81] Jack: I would have I would have I would have a little waffle for you.
[3862.01] Curry: And if we've got time for a very quick check in the chat,
[3866.21] Curry: Taranis, as these two down here say, or Taranis.
[3870.05] Curry: If you say Taranis, Taranis puts six A's in there or something.
[3875.05] Stephen: I say I would say Taranis.
[3876.65] Stephen: The same as I would say to Ranchela, I think.
[3879.33] Stephen: Yeah, Taranis.
[3880.97] Lee: Don't ask me.
[3881.77] Lee: I was calling what I got called out for calling a Nazi 32.
[3885.21] Lee: The wrong name.
[3886.85] Lee: Do you mean the nays?
[3888.09] Lee: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah.
[3891.93] Stephen: Quick, quick, quick, nitpick as well.
[3893.57] Stephen: We've got you one.
[3894.49] Stephen: Why why do you always refer to air units that have had their casing
[3898.97] Stephen: removed as skeletonized whenever no cause them naked?
[3903.61] Lee: I think it's a legacy thing from back from my I.T.
[3905.93] Lee: days. That's amazing, Jack, by the way.
[3907.81] Lee: Don't do not set yourself on fire for trying out life.
[3911.17] Jack: See, I can I can send you the file for that if you want.
[3916.93] Jack: If you want to print one yourself, I don't recommend that you should.
[3920.73] Stephen: But if you do print one, you're going to have to pay them a licensing fee.
[3924.21] Stephen: Just be aware. No, no, no, no.
[3925.97] Stephen: Up front, because creative comments.
[3928.89] Lee: Let's check what license is available under before we commit.
[3932.57] Jack: Yeah. And also you can make it like like I have.
[3937.21] Jack: If you get one of my old PlayStation Springs that use the lid,
[3942.53] Jack: you can make it so it can just stay there like a flaming torch.
[3948.37] Jack: And then it really what could go wrong.
[3951.89] Curry: Fine. Just cut the middle man and hold a flame with lighter fluid.
[3958.05] Jack: If you want to do that, you literally just said it and then it just sits there.
[3963.69] Jack: Life, but, you know, like a TV torch.
[3967.57] Lee: It is 3D printable plastic.
[3969.21] Lee: What can possibly go wrong?
[3971.45] Jack: Yeah, exactly.
[3974.01] Jack: Anyway, thank you, Patreons.
[3976.49] Jack: Thank you for everyone who tuned in.
[3978.25] Jack: Thank you, Tony, for preparing to get un-naked and come on the show.
[3983.13] Jack: Thank you, Andrew, Frank.
[3985.57] Jack: We miss you so much because you organized and did fun things and we loved you for it.
[3991.29] Jack: You've been joined by the man with the moustache.
[3995.89] Jack: Steve, everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[4000.37] Jack: Goodbye.
[4001.37] Jack: And the number one viewer, like, subscribe.
[4004.97] Jack: And if you've made it this far in the video.
[4008.93] Jack: Painless 360.
[4010.93] Lee: Thanks, Jack. Thanks for hanging out.
[4012.25] Lee: It's been really fun to see you all again.
[4014.49] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[4015.97] Jack: Thank you. Good night.
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