=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 391 ===
Title: LDO 391 - Rating FPV manufacturers Vol I
Recorded: 2023-02-23
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,478
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pX0sQSN9i4); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1455540829-letsdroneout-ldo-391-spicy-show-vol-i.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to Carlos Campos, Art Faulkner, Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[21.0] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[57.36] Jack: We are live every Thursday, 8pm, welcome.
[63.4] Jack: Legal noticed, any views expressed by guests on the show personal may not reflect the view
[67.48] Jack: of others.
[68.48] Jack: Spicy.
[69.48] Jack: This is a bit, this is a spicy show, tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite curry
[74.36] Jack: kitten.
[75.36] Jack: Hello.
[76.36] Jack: He's got new headphones, baby.
[78.92] Curry: They're not, I forgot to charge my wireless ones so they're my old headphones.
[84.56] Jack: Everyone's favourite.
[85.56] Jack: Hello, how's everyone?
[89.88] Jack: And everyone's clean, clean, shaven, cold.
[94.36] Jack: Hello, howdy.
[96.76] Jack: We've got, we've got a worrying show.
[100.2] Jack: I have created this, this might be the end of the audio.
[108.4] Stephen: Oh it's a stink chart.
[110.16] Stephen: Oh excellent.
[111.56] Stephen: May I suggest a little bit of a zoom, a little bit of an enhance.
[115.52] Stephen: Don't tell me when.
[116.52] Curry: Well if we zoom too much we can't see the manufacturers down at the bottom there.
[121.64] Stephen: We can slowly add them one by one, or we can just scroll down.
[126.04] Stephen: Jack has shown a chart, let's go up to the top again.
[130.76] Stephen: We've got S at the top and then A and then B, C, D, E and poop and U.
[140.2] Stephen: No.
[141.2] Stephen: What is S?
[142.2] Stephen: Dog.
[143.2] Curry: Dog.
[144.2] Curry: Come on Steven, you're a gamer, you must have S ranks, S is above A.
[153.12] Curry: S is the very top, special.
[155.76] Jack: And that is a picture of a dog emoji, and then the poo emoji, and that stands for dog
[161.08] Jack: shit.
[162.08] Jack: But we obviously can't say that too much because that will annoy the editor.
[166.0] Stephen: So we've got a whole bunch of logos down the bottom, who have we got on the logos there?
[172.08] Jack: I will, hang on, let's start here, right.
[175.76] Jack: So any views of our own, this is a bit of fun.
[181.4] Jack: Please feel free to, I will share this later and you can fill it in yourself and tell us
[189.36] Jack: why we're wrong.
[191.28] Curry: Should we also send it to all the manufacturers just to say how are you rank?
[196.08] Jack: I don't know because we don't, yeah.
[199.08] Jack: I don't know.
[201.08] Stephen: We've been using the many free gifts recently, have any nice stickers to the manufacturers?
[205.08] Jack: Is this going to be a bolt out the blue?
[208.6] Jack: Like we're only joking, this is just for a good time.
[216.16] Jack: If we rate something as terrible, you don't take our word for it, go out and buy it, try
[223.36] Jack: it yourself.
[224.36] Curry: And then when you do find out it's terrible, don't, you know, we want you.
[230.56] Koel: We are not liable for your mistakes.
[232.44] Stephen: So are we going to work through all this in the order presented?
[236.76] Jack: We can do, yeah.
[238.72] Jack: Some of the logos are a bit cut out, so we have to kind of guess what the logo is.
[244.56] Curry: Oh, I mean, if we fill there's like, we're passionate about one or we've got a favorite
[251.32] Curry: or we've got something we want to say, we can just call that one out and maybe do that
[254.36] Curry: one first.
[255.36] Koel: Should we put our hands up like we're in school?
[257.64] Jack: Yeah.
[258.72] Jack: I mean, I mean, for instance, this is an abuse mark power distribution board, which we mentioned
[267.72] Jack: last week.
[268.72] Jack: That clearly belongs to the dog s*** pile, because that thing's awful.
[273.6] Stephen: Now, wait a minute, have we missed, have we missed Hydra's brand there?
[277.88] Stephen: Is there an SP Racing in there?
[279.6] Jack: No.
[280.6] Jack: Oh yeah, we've missed him.
[281.6] Jack: Oh, I know.
[282.6] Jack: I know.
[283.6] Jack: I can go back in there and edit it if you want.
[288.2] Koel: Time is of the essence for Curry.
[290.28] Koel: We've got so many already.
[291.68] Koel: Yeah, I know.
[292.68] Koel: Let's get this show on the road, boys.
[294.96] Curry: Let's get this show on the road.
[297.6] Curry: I bought some props along as well, because when we talked about it, we talked about manufacturers
[302.64] Curry: in general, and we talked about people that put RTFs together.
[305.48] Curry: So I've bought some favorite RTFs just over here, which I was going to hold up as examples
[309.76] Curry: of good things.
[311.48] Jack: Yeah.
[312.48] Jack: So, so for instance, there is companies here that make a lot of products, you know, they
[318.08] Jack: might make motors and boards, but say their motors are really good, but their flight controllers
[323.72] Jack: are really bad, that their motors may be S tier, but the boards bring them down to A
[330.68] Jack: tier.
[331.68] Stephen: Yeah.
[332.68] Jack: And we're here to fight it out for our favorite.
[337.72] Stephen: Let's do it.
[338.72] Stephen: This is a fantastic idea.
[339.72] Jack: So yeah, Kirsten going to S tier already.
[341.72] Koel: That's fine.
[342.72] Koel: Yeah, clearly.
[343.72] Stephen: I mean, obviously that's going to be, I'd say middle of the road, surely.
[348.4] Stephen: Yeah.
[349.4] Stephen: Aren't they famous for hardware failures?
[352.28] Curry: And because they're so expensive, they're not really used widely enough.
[356.44] Curry: You have to put that back at like a B or a C because like how many people have used Kiss?
[362.0] Koel: Are they that expensive though with the trace of boards nowadays?
[364.88] Stephen: If you look at a brand's news stories and like a full 50% of the news stories are the
[369.88] Stephen: failures of the boards, then they can't be in the S tier.
[373.04] Stephen: The S tier has got to be like unimpeachable.
[376.24] Stephen: You know, that's fair.
[377.24] Stephen: That's fair.
[378.24] Koel: Okay.
[379.24] Koel: Eight.
[380.24] Curry: Put it down.
[381.24] Curry: B.
[382.24] Curry: B.
[383.24] Curry: B.
[384.24] Curry: Not enough.
[385.24] Curry: B.
[386.24] Curry: Just because of their price.
[387.24] Koel: Like, it's not different to prices these days for these other boards I've been seeing.
[390.6] Koel: Yeah, but they've always been that expensive.
[393.08] Jack: Google a price of a board.
[395.24] Jack: Yeah.
[396.24] Jack: Equality.
[397.24] Jack: You pay for quality.
[398.24] Jack: Well, apparently you pay for failure.
[399.24] Jack: You get stuff for free, you're a reviewer.
[402.88] Curry: Not these days.
[403.88] Curry: Well, they don't send me any.
[404.88] Curry: Therefore, off the list with them.
[406.88] Jack: Oh, don't do that for a B.
[409.16] Curry: B.
[410.16] Jack: Alexander Fedoroff, if you send Kerry a board, he'll move you back up to S.
[415.24] Curry: I do have four KISS ESCs on a really old quad, but I didn't have a flight controller.
[423.16] Curry: No.
[424.16] Koel: Do you want them anymore?
[426.52] Koel: Do you want to send them to me?
[429.64] Curry: To reverse them out of direction, I had to do this jumper thing, and that was that before
[433.56] Curry: like.
[434.92] Curry: Back to a B.
[435.92] Curry: Just be sold to them.
[436.92] Jack: No, you can you can do it in, no, that's not valid, you can do it in software now.
[441.24] Jack: And the GUI.
[442.24] Jack: And always have.
[443.24] Jack: Yeah, and the GUI.
[444.24] Curry: There was no, there was no GUI back in the day.
[447.24] Curry: Also, they spent most of their life not having an OSD.
[451.4] Curry: Put them down to B.
[452.4] Curry: BSB is the highest they could possibly be.
[454.4] Curry: Well, they've got an OSD now.
[456.4] Jack: And now they have.
[458.16] Curry: It's like saying like, oh, all these all these cars were rubbish and crashed and then, oh,
[463.92] Curry: it's okay now because they they fix all those problems.
[466.56] Stephen: But what I mean, let's go this.
[470.04] Stephen: So the first thing I searched, I was thinking, what do we do to really figure out what's
[473.88] Stephen: going on?
[474.88] Stephen: So search the brand name, the component and then fire.
[478.8] Stephen: And Jack is telling us how great kiss ESCs are.
[482.0] Stephen: But if I search kiss ESC fire, the third result is his own video, where I was on fire kiss
[489.04] Stephen: ESCs.
[490.16] Stephen: That's Jack's own video.
[492.52] Stephen: Yeah, they were 18.
[494.52] Curry: You're lucky to be getting a fee rating at this point.
[497.6] Jack: Right.
[498.6] Jack: Controversial.
[499.6] Jack: Right.
[500.6] Jack: Should we see one?
[501.6] Koel: Before we get sorry, back to the whole, their expensive thing.
[507.16] Koel: So I looked it up right here.
[508.88] Koel: Holy bro.
[509.88] Koel: What is it?
[510.88] Koel: Kakuta H7 Mini.
[512.88] Koel: $92.
[514.16] Koel: So that's, that's pretty expensive still.
[518.08] Curry: But here's the thing.
[520.56] Curry: Holy bro is on the unimpeachable S rank because holy bro has never let me down.
[528.32] Curry: Some of the best experiences I've had out of the box flying.
[532.96] Curry: This is the copies to previously, they've had the copies one, they put really nice components
[538.56] Curry: in it.
[539.56] Curry: These are cheap.
[540.56] Curry: Why does it look like an Oreo cookie?
[543.88] Curry: It's secret.
[544.88] Curry: You're not allowed to know what's in between the carpet.
[549.16] Curry: All we know is secret.
[551.72] Curry: It's creamy and delicious.
[553.48] Curry: It's wonderfully out of the box.
[556.08] Curry: It's a really good.
[557.08] Curry: So do we put holy bro or tea motor?
[558.6] Curry: They're the same company, right?
[560.4] Curry: I don't know.
[562.2] Curry: I like, I like holy bro as a company because I think if holy bros are the guys that are
[567.28] Curry: putting these quads together, pulling in components, I don't know who makes them or how many OEMs
[574.44] Curry: or whatever.
[575.44] Curry: But I think I had the original copies.
[577.4] Curry: I've had the copies too.
[579.2] Curry: And Caroline agrees with me.
[580.96] Curry: My copies too is amazing.
[582.54] Curry: So therefore it's so amazing.
[585.48] Koel: So is holy bro on that list of logos down there, Jack?
[589.08] Curry: Yeah, it's the second one that says Ollie bruh.
[591.8] Jack: Oh, Ollie bruh.
[593.8] Jack: Yeah.
[594.8] Jack: Right.
[595.8] Jack: Stop.
[596.8] Jack: Right.
[597.8] Jack: Listen.
[598.8] Jack: Don't forget people in the chat.
[599.8] Jack: You can, you can chime in.
[602.36] Jack: E-max.
[603.36] Koel: Well, we were just talking about holy bro.
[606.2] Jack: Holy bro up in S.
[607.76] Jack: Yeah.
[608.76] Jack: Yeah.
[609.76] Jack: Hang on.
[610.76] Koel: Let's do E-max.
[611.76] Koel: Holy bros next.
[612.76] Koel: I would say holy bro because I have no idea anything about them other than they're expensive
[615.36] Koel: that goes into the B round.
[617.08] Koel: Don't they?
[618.08] Stephen: They don't care.
[619.08] Stephen: They don't care.
[620.08] Curry: They don't care.
[621.08] Curry: Okay.
[622.08] Curry: A tier.
[623.08] Curry: Okay.
[624.08] Curry: That's good.
[625.08] Stephen: ATS.
[626.08] Stephen: Pick it up.
[627.08] Stephen: Caroline agrees.
[628.08] Stephen: Yeah.
[629.08] Stephen: They are one of the better ones and they're actually making their own kit.
[630.08] Stephen: A lot of these are like relabel, relabel as well.
[631.08] Stephen: I can't.
[632.08] Stephen: I can't stick.
[633.08] Jack: I can't stick them there.
[634.16] Jack: I can't stick them there above kiss when they make fire.
[638.16] Jack: Why not?
[639.16] Jack: No.
[640.16] Jack: Because they're going to expect next year.
[641.16] Curry: We just have to look at who's on fire and it's kiss, not holy bro.
[645.28] Koel: Holy bro as well.
[646.28] Koel: Is kiss really on fire anymore these days though?
[648.8] Jack: No.
[649.8] Jack: How old's that video?
[650.8] Koel: Yeah.
[651.8] Koel: That's like 18 amp days.
[652.8] Jack: That's 18 amp days.
[653.8] Stephen: To be fair, there was a Tekko 32 like fire issue from holy bro.
[658.32] Stephen: But they also make some of the most respected ESCs amongst races as well.
[665.0] Curry: How is kiss on an A rank when it was down to B as well?
[667.88] Curry: This is ridiculous.
[668.88] Curry: It's because the judge loves kiss.
[672.24] Stephen: So EMACs anyway.
[673.24] Stephen: EMACs has got to be like way down like C or D.
[677.0] Stephen: They're just kind of shoveling it out.
[680.68] Jack: Right.
[681.68] Jack: Why?
[682.68] Jack: Why C?
[683.68] Curry: I still don't feel we sorted out the other things but EMACs, yeah, I'm thinking why C
[689.04] Curry: because I've had, I mean, EMACs were firstly famous for their red bottoms.
[693.48] Curry: They've got lots of people in the hobby and I've had some of them.
[696.4] Jack: Night Hawk.
[697.4] Stephen: That was terrible.
[698.72] Stephen: We said, right, motors and electronics.
[701.32] Stephen: They may do okay motors and they're famous for them but the electronics, they fall down
[705.68] Stephen: a lot because they're just bargain basement.
[708.36] Curry: They've had some pretty nice RTFs though, the Hawk series, at least for beginners go.
[719.36] Curry: What was it?
[720.36] Curry: The thingy Hawk and the tiny Hawk and another Hawk, freestyle Hawk, whatever it was.
[725.52] Curry: Lots of things called Hawk, which seemed to be very good and worked quite well out of
[729.6] Curry: the box.
[730.6] Curry: I always thought EMACs were really good at actually paying attention and doing a tune
[735.52] Curry: on their RTF quads as opposed to just here at the default rates.
[739.24] Curry: They even had like several tunes.
[742.16] Curry: So if you were using a 2S versus a 3S battery, they'd get you to swap their pit tunes over,
[748.72] Curry: which I thought was pretty good.
[750.16] Koel: Well, a lot of people seem to be giving EMACs a lot of golden stars right there, so that
[755.8] Koel: might actually...
[756.8] Koel: B?
[757.8] Koel: C?
[758.8] Koel: It's hard to put them in B though, but...
[762.96] Curry: It's B and then we just not kiss down to C.
[764.8] Koel: No.
[765.8] Koel: No.
[766.8] Stephen: Do you own an EMAC stuff?
[767.8] Curry: You can't say EMACs are a B.
[769.8] Stephen: There's a huge range of crap.
[772.92] Curry: What is the...
[775.12] Curry: Tell us your stories of the bad stuff about it, Steven, because I haven't heard that
[778.44] Curry: much.
[779.44] Curry: You're saying the components are bad.
[782.16] Stephen: Yeah, they're just kind of a built to cost vendor, so that you're not getting like high
[788.28] Stephen: tier products.
[789.36] Stephen: You're getting cost...
[790.36] Stephen: They're basically toys that are built to a specific cost.
[794.0] Curry: That seems a bit unfair, because that's...
[795.64] Stephen: I don't think it's even prosumer stuff.
[797.76] Stephen: It's just kind of...
[798.76] Stephen: I'm thinking Eachine are the sort of costs, price to cost, and EX is at least a mid tier.
[803.76] Stephen: I mean, I put Eachine lower than EMACs, but not that much lower.
[808.96] Stephen: Eachine has been around, and so is EMACs.
[812.12] Stephen: Eachine obviously has a lot more like black marks to their name.
[815.24] Stephen: There's a lot more bad models, but are EMACs unimpeachable?
[820.08] Stephen: I don't know.
[821.92] Curry: Well, certainly not unimpeachable.
[823.48] Curry: I just...
[824.48] Curry: I think there may be a decent mid range vendor.
[828.16] Curry: Does that have to do with C rather than a B?
[830.32] Curry: I mean, that's in the middle.
[831.64] Koel: Yeah, it's...
[832.64] Koel: I feel C.
[835.88] Curry: It's kind of like you wouldn't kick them out of bed, but you wouldn't necessarily pursue
[838.96] Curry: them either.
[841.48] Koel: Unless you're on a good budget, because they are very budget friendly motors.
[845.4] Koel: They are.
[847.4] Koel: It's almost...
[848.4] Koel: You know what?
[849.4] Koel: It needs to be in between B and C.
[850.4] Koel: It needs to be like right in that little halfway mark.
[852.84] Curry: Does that make a C plus or a B minus?
[855.88] Koel: B minus.
[856.88] Koel: Oh, no.
[857.88] Koel: C plus sounds a little better with the plus sign, I guess.
[860.92] Koel: But I don't know.
[862.92] Koel: Hard to say.
[863.92] Koel: What do you think, Jack?
[865.56] Jack: I think they're a strong C.
[869.04] Curry: Strong C.
[870.04] Curry: I still don't know what eMac Kiss is doing up there.
[873.52] Curry: This is going to annoy me.
[874.52] Curry: It's at the same level as Holy Bone now.
[876.28] Curry: No, no, no, no.
[877.28] Stephen: I mean, I've bought a lot of AIOs, but I've never actually...
[881.36] Stephen: For Happy Model and B to FPV, I've bought the AIOs and built my own quads with them.
[886.04] Stephen: But I've never actually built an eMacs one.
[887.84] Stephen: I think that's probably because the AIOs, compared to the competition, are normally
[891.92] Stephen: selling on their own for maybe 10 or 15 more than the competition.
[896.44] Curry: Yeah.
[897.44] Curry: Where I've seen it from the different end, I've just seen the little RTF beginner quads,
[901.8] Curry: which I thought were really good and very beginner friendly, which I think is something
[906.48] Curry: good about them.
[907.48] Stephen: And they do go the extra mile.
[908.48] Stephen: They make a package.
[909.48] Stephen: They don't just throw a bunch of options off.
[910.48] Curry: They make a package and they put a proper tune in, which is nice and gentle to start
[914.56] Curry: with, I think.
[915.56] Curry: It's quite nice.
[916.56] Koel: But it sees them on the road.
[919.56] Stephen: All right.
[920.56] Stephen: Let's go on to the next one then.
[921.56] Koel: We can't...
[922.56] Koel: We can't...
[923.56] Koel: We've got a lot of people on the list.
[925.56] Koel: Yeah.
[926.56] Koel: These are unfair.
[927.56] Stephen: The chat seems to say B, so let's go with that.
[930.2] Jack: We got a...
[931.2] Jack: We have to find an S here for a baseline.
[934.12] Jack: Crack on.
[935.12] Jack: Fatshark.
[936.12] Curry: Fatshark.
[937.12] Curry: What about a B to FPV?
[938.12] Curry: Maybe we should put those in.
[939.12] Jack: No, come on.
[940.12] Jack: Fatshark.
[941.12] Jack: Fatshark.
[942.12] Jack: Fatshark.
[943.12] Curry: Fatshark.
[944.12] Curry: I mean, Fatshark.
[945.12] Stephen: Ooh.
[946.12] Stephen: They were once upon a time.
[947.12] Stephen: They were there, but what was their last doggle?
[950.12] Curry: They're like sea racing now.
[952.4] Curry: They're kind of middle of the road and stuff.
[954.4] Koel: The analog goggles.
[955.4] Koel: People, are we talking about right now or like a median?
[958.36] Koel: Yeah.
[959.36] Curry: I mean, if you were going to buy something and you had the...
[964.6] Curry: How do you perceive them as...
[966.36] Curry: Where do you perceive them now?
[967.36] Curry: Would you buy right now?
[968.36] Curry: If you're going analog, would you buy Fatshark?
[969.36] Curry: Would you buy Fatshark?
[970.36] Koel: They'll probably see these days.
[972.36] Koel: They're...
[973.36] Jack: The couple has made a point that we should take...
[977.32] Jack: We are taking past in evaluation.
[981.0] Koel: And if we are taking past into consideration, then yes, KISS does need to go down a notch.
[985.28] Curry: They're selling someone else's goggles now.
[988.24] Curry: They used to be.
[989.24] Curry: They would never ask.
[990.24] Curry: They would be.
[991.24] Curry: You put them up.
[992.24] Curry: Okay.
[993.24] Koel: Fatshark is right in the middle.
[995.24] Koel: They used to be top tier and now they're not bottom tier, but they're not...
[1001.2] Koel: They're somewhere in the middle.
[1002.2] Stephen: Now, if you're flying analog, you'd look at like the new Skyzone goggles, you'd look
[1009.64] Stephen: at the Orca goggles, you look at these other HD0 goggles that are all better than Fatshark.
[1016.36] Curry: I'd be very hesitant to look at Fatshark now because I don't think the company as it stands
[1022.72] Curry: is...
[1023.72] Curry: Does it really exist anymore?
[1025.72] Curry: No, if I was going to say that, yeah.
[1028.76] Jack: I mean, I'm still rocking my HD0s and I like them, but...
[1032.44] Jack: I think they're a sub B.
[1036.0] Stephen: I think...
[1037.0] Stephen: Yeah.
[1038.0] Stephen: A sub B is a C, surely.
[1040.0] Stephen: Just do a C.
[1041.0] Stephen: Just do a C.
[1042.0] Stephen: C.
[1043.0] Stephen: Let's go down to C.
[1044.0] Stephen: I mean, their latest toggle is rebranding someone else and that's got to account for
[1048.6] Stephen: something.
[1049.6] Stephen: Like if a company is just rebranding someone else's kit, then you can't really attribute
[1053.32] Stephen: that to them.
[1054.56] Stephen: That's just someone else's work.
[1055.72] Jack: I can't put those bags in.
[1058.32] Curry: I think that's an interesting point from Tailspin who says Fatshark used to be top because
[1063.36] Curry: there was no competition, which is possibly a fair point looking in the past.
[1068.24] Stephen: All right.
[1069.24] Stephen: Okay, next.
[1070.24] Stephen: Good job.
[1071.24] Stephen: They googles here.
[1072.24] Stephen: They steam up a lot.
[1073.24] Stephen: They copied someone else's design.
[1074.24] Stephen: The only bit that apparently is Fatshark is this stupid micro SD slot that you can't
[1078.32] Stephen: reach where the micro SD card is upside down, so you can't even use your fingernails.
[1083.32] Koel: Everybody also, while we have a moment here, go like the video on YouTube.
[1088.04] Koel: While you're watching this and leave a comment.
[1090.04] Koel: All that fun stuff.
[1091.04] Stephen: So, yeah.
[1092.04] Stephen: Yeah.
[1093.04] Stephen: Great.
[1094.04] Stephen: Oh, here we are as well.
[1095.04] Stephen: This is what Andy R.C. used to say was the best thing ever.
[1097.8] Stephen: They've shut their repair centers.
[1099.08] Stephen: Yeah.
[1100.08] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1101.08] Stephen: The service.
[1102.08] Stephen: We'll put it down to D now.
[1104.56] Stephen: I remember seeing Andy R.C.'s videos and he was like, I just have to tell them something's
[1108.08] Stephen: wrong and they're going to get repaired just like that.
[1110.88] Jack: But if the centers are gone, if you bring back Tony, if you bring back Dave, we'll move
[1115.44] Jack: you up to a B.
[1116.44] Jack: All right.
[1117.84] Koel: All right.
[1118.84] Koel: What's next?
[1119.84] Jack: Okay.
[1120.84] Jack: Next.
[1121.84] Koel: Yeah.
[1122.84] Koel: Let's continue on.
[1123.84] Koel: Okay.
[1124.84] Koel: HQ props.
[1125.84] Curry: I guess they're pretty much at the top, right?
[1126.84] Curry: Yeah.
[1127.84] Curry: Pretty good.
[1128.84] Curry: Pretty good.
[1129.84] Curry: I mean-
[1130.84] Curry: It's them and Gemfan, right?
[1131.84] Curry: Gemfan, yeah.
[1132.84] Curry: Use them for a while.
[1133.84] Stephen: But, yeah.
[1134.84] Stephen: They've been good.
[1135.84] Stephen: I mean, yeah.
[1136.84] Stephen: I've not had a bad pair of it.
[1137.84] Stephen: Has anyone had a bad HQ prop?
[1139.84] Jack: No.
[1140.84] Jack: Don't forget the old Shatter ones.
[1144.04] Jack: It took them a while to move over.
[1146.04] Stephen: Everyone was doing it then, like they just literally used a material science that was
[1150.24] Stephen: available at that point in time.
[1152.04] Koel: Okay.
[1153.04] Koel: A, they're good.
[1154.04] Koel: A for good.
[1155.04] Stephen: A for good.
[1156.04] Stephen: Next.
[1157.04] Stephen: Next.
[1158.04] Koel: A, next.
[1159.04] Koel: Good.
[1160.04] Curry: I still remember the old 50-30s, which you could just wee.
[1165.04] Jack: Yeah.
[1166.04] Jack: I don't like the sharp end bits.
[1168.28] Jack: They cut you.
[1169.28] Jack: That pisses me off.
[1170.28] Stephen: Oh, the little winglets.
[1171.28] Stephen: Yeah.
[1172.28] Jack: Yeah.
[1173.28] Stephen: B.
[1174.52] Stephen: I think if you put HQ, A, you've probably got to put Gemfan there.
[1177.68] Stephen: They're pretty much like keeping each other when it improves the other matches, the improvement.
[1182.68] Stephen: You know, it's the same.
[1183.68] Jack: What about, you guys remember these ones?
[1186.68] Jack: A.
[1187.68] Jack: A.
[1188.68] Jack: A.
[1189.68] Jack: B.
[1190.68] Jack: A.
[1191.68] Koel: S for HQ prop.
[1192.68] Jack: What are we doing?
[1193.68] Jack: Oh, come on.
[1194.68] Jack: Oh.
[1195.68] Jack: Oh.
[1196.68] Jack: Dal prop.
[1197.68] Jack: Yeah.
[1198.68] Jack: We'll get there.
[1199.68] Jack: Okay.
[1200.68] Jack: Okay.
[1201.68] Jack: Right.
[1202.68] Jack: HD zero.
[1204.68] Curry: I've got no experience with them.
[1206.68] Curry: Unfortunately.
[1207.68] Jack: HD zero.
[1208.68] Jack: I mean, supposedly.
[1209.68] Jack: The new kids on the block.
[1210.68] Koel: Apparently, they're pretty good.
[1211.68] Stephen: I think they struggled.
[1212.68] Stephen: They struggled, and they're doing good results.
[1214.68] Stephen: Like, they released a set of analog goggles, which is apparently like redefining what it
[1219.08] Stephen: means to be an analog goggle.
[1220.68] Stephen: With the upscaler.
[1221.68] Stephen: Yeah, with upscaling and deinterlating.
[1224.68] Jack: I think it's tearing off.
[1226.68] Jack: Much smarter.
[1227.68] Stephen: But yeah, but you hear about what they did, they just said, send them back and we'll repair
[1232.68] Stephen: it free of charge, which is what used to say was great about fat shark, like they are
[1237.12] Stephen: stepping up.
[1238.12] Curry: We've got a lot of different opinions on these.
[1241.6] Curry: We've got double A saying A plus for HD zero, Caroline saying C for effort, flight one saying
[1246.48] Curry: B for HD zero.
[1247.48] Curry: They're an unknown.
[1248.48] Curry: I haven't got a clue.
[1249.48] Curry: Yeah.
[1250.48] Koel: You know what?
[1251.48] Koel: That's a good point.
[1253.6] Koel: From what I've seen online, they're not bad.
[1256.84] Koel: Block rinder has been ranting and raving about them lately.
[1260.64] Stephen: He was panning them initially.
[1261.92] Stephen: He did a really scathing review when they first came out.
[1264.56] Koel: Yep.
[1265.56] Koel: Because well, and he's he's Mr. Analog for life, but you know, he's actually kind of
[1269.48] Koel: changed his mind a bit.
[1270.52] Koel: So I mean, we can move them as well.
[1274.08] Koel: It looks like, you know, let's do unknown for now, I guess, because it's it's too new
[1278.84] Koel: to tell.
[1279.84] Koel: I guess.
[1280.84] Koel: Too new.
[1281.84] Koel: All right.
[1282.84] Koel: Too new experience.
[1283.84] Koel: Cadex.
[1284.84] Koel: Walk snail.
[1285.84] Koel: Cadex.
[1286.84] Stephen: Wait, which.
[1287.84] Stephen: Well, that's the walk snail.
[1288.84] Stephen: I guess they're both.
[1289.84] Stephen: They've admitted they're the same company.
[1290.84] Stephen: I was actually quite amused by that that whole it was like a triple ring show of marketing.
[1298.6] Stephen: And I thought that was hilarious, like the way they managed it was just so so much fun.
[1302.84] Koel: I mean, it's not the same company.
[1305.04] Koel: Not at all.
[1306.04] Koel: Yeah.
[1307.04] Stephen: Language differences.
[1308.04] Stephen: They didn't let them slow them down.
[1309.52] Stephen: They just carried on like ramping up the hype in a way that was hilarious.
[1313.36] Stephen: If you laugh, I think from the products, so ignoring walks now from the camera point
[1320.28] Curry: of view, I would put them up there as like an A because they they came.
[1324.32] Curry: They gave us the retail and the various analogs like that.
[1327.84] Curry: And they were very, very generous mail.
[1329.6] Curry: And which one is Cadex?
[1330.6] Stephen: Because you've got right.
[1331.6] Jack: Canics.
[1332.6] Jack: Canics.
[1333.6] Jack: Canics.
[1334.6] Jack: Canics.
[1335.6] Jack: Yeah.
[1336.6] Jack: Yeah.
[1337.6] Jack: Yeah.
[1338.6] Jack: Walk snail.
[1339.6] Jack: Walk snail.
[1340.6] Jack: Obviously, if we're going to stick HD zero U for unknown, then walks down these two and
[1343.6] Jack: unknown.
[1344.6] Jack: Walk snail goes in there.
[1345.6] Jack: Old school Cadex.
[1346.6] Jack: Yeah.
[1347.6] Jack: What do we reckon?
[1348.6] Jack: BTC.
[1349.92] Jack: For cameras.
[1350.92] Curry: For cameras, I was I was going A for the analog cameras I thought were really, really
[1355.16] Curry: good.
[1356.16] Stephen: Absolutely fantastic.
[1357.16] Jack: Yeah.
[1358.16] Koel: All right.
[1359.16] Koel: Okay.
[1360.16] Koel: Next.
[1361.16] Koel: Next.
[1362.16] Koel: Fox here.
[1363.16] Koel: Oh, cameras.
[1364.16] Koel: Pretty up there, too.
[1365.16] Curry: Yeah.
[1366.16] Curry: I don't think that.
[1367.16] Curry: I would put them maybe B.
[1368.16] Curry: Strongly.
[1369.16] Curry: I've used a lot of Fox Air cameras and I wouldn't put them quite up there at the same
[1372.32] Curry: level.
[1373.32] Curry: They're good.
[1374.32] Stephen: If we're doing.
[1375.32] Stephen: If we're doing inside baseball, the Fox Air crowd are very responsive to suggestions
[1380.44] Stephen: for improving their hardware as well.
[1382.76] Stephen: And racers love that about them.
[1384.54] Koel: I do like Fox Air a lot.
[1386.2] Koel: They have some really nice low light cameras like the the cat and the and they got the
[1390.76] Koel: high resolution 1500 TV LT Rex.
[1394.04] Koel: I did have a what was it the Fox here?
[1399.52] Koel: What was it?
[1400.52] Koel: I forgot the one, but I had one just randomly die on me and it was a sad day.
[1405.24] Koel: But other than that, they've been pretty good.
[1409.44] Stephen: I've got a they did the predator, right?
[1411.2] Stephen: The predator now.
[1412.36] Stephen: I've got a few of those.
[1413.68] Stephen: That's the camera I have if I don't have the rattle.
[1415.6] Stephen: If I want something that's a little bit lower latency, more of a race.
[1419.68] Jack: Higher.
[1420.68] Jack: Higher.
[1421.68] Koel: B is good.
[1422.68] Koel: I think he's good toothless tube is a good camera, except it died randomly.
[1427.32] Koel: But okay.
[1428.32] Koel: So run cam next.
[1429.32] Stephen: Okay.
[1430.32] Stephen: If you hit stuff into walls, it dies.
[1431.92] Jack: Yeah.
[1432.92] Jack: That's probably a cruiser.
[1434.72] Jack: He says I double he says I yeah, this is good antennas.
[1441.44] Jack: We haven't even talked about the antennas.
[1443.16] Jack: Yeah.
[1444.16] Stephen: They just talked about the flight controllers, man.
[1447.08] Stephen: Like they do.
[1448.08] Stephen: Yeah.
[1449.08] Stephen: Do a lot flight controllers and they're keeping up.
[1452.24] Curry: You know, it maybe belongs in between A and B, but I think if you had a choice to flight
[1457.2] Stephen: controller and you were going to buy something and you saw the Max and Fox here, which would
[1461.8] Stephen: you go for?
[1463.24] Jack: Can someone can someone run a vote in the chat, a poll?
[1470.24] Jack: Is anyone logged into the LDO thing?
[1472.6] Jack: No.
[1473.6] Jack: No.
[1474.6] Jack: Hang on.
[1475.6] Jack: Don't go with that.
[1476.6] Stephen: We're already halfway through.
[1478.6] Stephen: We need a bit more granularity, like we bunched everything up with A and we're not like spreading
[1484.4] Stephen: it out.
[1485.4] Curry: We need to.
[1486.4] Curry: Well, that's because Kiss needs to go down to B and how you're going to get to S.
[1491.2] Stephen: Kiss will go back to A in a minute.
[1492.6] Stephen: It should be downwards.
[1493.6] Stephen: We've got this bias where we think A is the B on an end all.
[1496.6] Stephen: We probably should have had like a one to seven scale or something because everyone wants
[1500.04] Stephen: to make everything A, but no one wants to use the S category.
[1502.6] Curry: It's like I want to use the S category.
[1504.32] Curry: I was voted down.
[1505.6] Curry: Boom.
[1506.6] Koel: No, you go back to A because I got a fix.
[1508.96] Stephen: Kiss can go back to B.
[1509.96] Stephen: Yeah.
[1510.96] Stephen: I mean, no, it's not that great, mate.
[1516.08] Stephen: They haven't been doing a lot.
[1517.36] Curry: It's not very good.
[1518.36] Stephen: And they sit on fire.
[1519.36] Stephen: It's an old brand.
[1521.52] Curry: I'm worried that once his face is going to sit and get upset with you.
[1524.88] Stephen: No one.
[1525.88] Stephen: You guys need to get on the train so good.
[1529.56] Stephen: Have you looked at like the multi GP, like hardware loadout?
[1533.24] Stephen: They're all running Fox here and none of them are running Kiss.
[1536.58] Stephen: So you can't say that no one's going to kiss in tears.
[1541.04] Stephen: Exactly.
[1542.04] Stephen: Well, exactly.
[1543.04] Stephen: So you never use Kiss in racing because it's not the top kit.
[1548.2] Koel: It's top or something.
[1549.48] Koel: Yeah.
[1550.48] Koel: Okay.
[1551.48] Koel: Anyways.
[1552.48] Curry: Run Cam.
[1553.48] Curry: Run Cam.
[1554.48] Koel: I would put Run Cam as a C.
[1555.48] Curry: Oh, really?
[1556.48] Curry: Yeah.
[1557.48] Curry: Yeah.
[1558.48] Curry: Because they keep, they bring things to market very quickly, but they don't think it through.
[1561.68] Curry: They sort of launch products and they give it to the consumers and everybody goes, well,
[1565.56] Curry: this is a bit crap because this isn't this and they just bring out another one.
[1568.88] Curry: And they do another version.
[1569.88] Curry: I agree.
[1570.88] Curry: Yeah.
[1571.88] Curry: I agree.
[1572.88] Curry: Yeah.
[1573.88] Curry: The last thing I was talking about is the Run Cam.
[1574.88] Curry: What was it?
[1575.88] Curry: The little camera which worked with Joraflow.
[1576.88] Curry: What was that?
[1577.88] Koel: It was the Run Cam 5 Orange or the Thumb Pro.
[1580.16] Curry: The Thumb.
[1581.16] Curry: Yeah.
[1582.16] Curry: The Thumb.
[1583.16] Curry: And that's already on its third version now.
[1584.16] Curry: And that's my complaint with them, that they just, they launch stuff and they don't really
[1587.88] Curry: think it through.
[1589.44] Curry: And then they just redo things and relaunch them.
[1591.92] Stephen: And people have to see what they see all three times over.
[1594.76] Stephen: They released a version of the DJI cameras, but it's like locked in 4x3 and you can't alter
[1600.76] Stephen: the image.
[1601.76] Stephen: And it's just a bit like, again, they've rushed it.
[1606.04] Stephen: It feels like they've tried to go for that high frame rate thing, but they've kind of
[1610.68] Stephen: just ignored a bunch of other stuff they could do.
[1612.96] Jack: Is there?
[1613.96] Jack: The Run Cam Swift was amazing, Swift 2.
[1618.36] Jack: The Run Cam 2, they did the Run Cam Racer, which was good, which gave you TX and RX Control.
[1629.64] Jack: The Split.
[1631.64] Jack: Split.
[1632.64] Jack: Yeah.
[1633.64] Jack: They're now making the DJI stuff.
[1636.28] Koel: This is what I think about Run Cam.
[1637.88] Koel: They make things that are, that work.
[1642.0] Koel: They're not top of the line.
[1643.16] Koel: They're not bottom of the barrel, but they're somewhat budget friendly.
[1647.4] Koel: Are they not?
[1648.4] Koel: Yeah.
[1649.4] Stephen: They're a budget friendly choice.
[1650.52] Stephen: You probably need more than one dimension.
[1652.52] Stephen: Put Jack in charge of moving the icons.
[1655.96] Stephen: Quality versus budget, right?
[1657.72] Stephen: So that would kind of weed out kids.
[1660.04] Stephen: You could say it's good quality, but it's terrible budget.
[1662.48] Curry: I feel like they started off very strong when they were doing their CCD cameras, where
[1666.68] Curry: we started having the Swift and things that was excellent.
[1669.2] Curry: And once they got very popular and started experimenting with stuff, that's where it
[1673.16] Curry: got a little bit rushed out.
[1675.2] Curry: That's what you want.
[1677.2] Curry: Yeah.
[1678.2] Stephen: But I don't know, I think they're strong in seeing.
[1682.8] Stephen: And they're all just like chaotically named and there's the Swift 2 right there.
[1688.2] Curry: Yeah.
[1689.2] Curry: I've got some too.
[1690.2] Koel: And they're great.
[1691.2] Koel: Yeah.
[1692.2] Koel: I think they're better than some of the new cameras, which is odd.
[1695.4] Koel: I do like the CCD cameras.
[1698.4] Jack: I've got a run cam Swift stuck under my monitor.
[1701.96] Jack: Vote now.
[1702.96] Jack: B or C?
[1703.96] Jack: Vote now.
[1706.4] Stephen: I think it's a B.
[1707.4] Stephen: If you're going to put emacs up there, I'd put everything.
[1710.76] Stephen: Yeah.
[1711.76] Stephen: But I mean, they haven't really screwed up that badly.
[1714.68] Stephen: There's no horror stories.
[1715.68] Stephen: I'd say there's more kiss horror stories than a run cam.
[1718.36] Stephen: They're just a cheap brand.
[1719.96] Koel: Yeah, we can't get Jack to move the bloody kick run cam B.
[1724.96] Koel: Run cam B.
[1725.96] Koel: Yeah.
[1726.96] Koel: The chat has spoken.
[1727.96] Koel: Okay.
[1728.96] Curry: When do we listen to other people?
[1732.04] Curry: Next.
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[1778.04] Curry: they're a great bunch of guys but what have you used any of their kit?
[1785.24] Curry: No, I just chat to them as a manufacturer.
[1787.96] Curry: I think we've got a talk to them.
[1789.4] Curry: Are you coming up here rather than an S I have to say?
[1791.88] Stephen: Well, if you could say they're unknown but if you're buying a CineLifter and you're going
[1797.08] Stephen: to put like a Grandsworth for hardware, that's them or like Matek would be the ones to go for
[1803.8] Stephen: because everything else you just wouldn't trust.
[1805.8] Koel: I do see people like talking about their little cine whoops and also that HD streaming box
[1813.64] Koel: for DigiView or something but I don't know, I don't know much about it.
[1818.04] Stephen: Have you seen what their flight controllers are like?
[1820.28] Stephen: They're like giant anodized aluminium boxes and they put the FC and the ESC
[1825.16] Stephen: in the anodized aluminium box and they just expose the motor pads and they do JSC plugs
[1830.28] Stephen: to everything else.
[1831.16] Stephen: Okay, so what?
[1836.84] Curry: It's just very, it's literally the first time I've heard of them so I can only ever put them
[1842.28] Curry: in the unknown category.
[1843.24] Curry: You know, Curry, you know, pick-salk.
[1845.0] Curry: Yes.
[1845.8] Stephen: No pick-salk, Curry?
[1846.84] Curry: It's very much like a pick-salk type of a deal.
[1849.24] Curry: Well, most sort of professional level things are that sort of like a beautiful box of gorgeous
[1856.52] Curry: metal and stuff, isn't it?
[1857.56] Koel: Yeah, I don't really think that S tier is suitable though.
[1861.64] Jack: Oh, unknown.
[1863.4] Jack: Yeah.
[1864.36] Jack: We don't know enough.
[1865.88] Koel: We don't know enough.
[1867.64] Koel: Let's just take it on our own ignorance.
[1870.52] Koel: They could be amazing.
[1871.56] Koel: They could be amazing.
[1873.16] Stephen: Let's move on.
[1875.56] Stephen: Happy mother.
[1876.76] Stephen: No idea.
[1877.56] Stephen: That's a tricky one.
[1878.36] Stephen: I mean, I put them there with Emacs.
[1880.6] Stephen: They get people into the hobby, right?
[1882.52] Curry: Yeah, I think that's fair.
[1883.64] Curry: I mean, they follow a lot with the open source community and they work with the open source
[1891.4] Curry: community and that's got to be respected.
[1893.56] Curry: I think they're one of the, for a long time, they were the only people doing Express LRS
[1899.16] Curry: right, weren't they?
[1899.72] Curry: Because they were sort of engaging with the community and getting the right stuff.
[1904.12] Stephen: You can still find one of their receivers for a tenor, which is just shockingly cheap.
[1907.88] Stephen: Those EP1 and EP2 receivers are probably most of my Express LRS quotes there.
[1912.2] Stephen: They've got it on you.
[1913.56] Curry: Absolutely atrocious of documentation.
[1916.92] Curry: I've never seen anything from that.
[1918.6] Stephen: Oh, I mean.
[1920.52] Stephen: Yeah, he's right.
[1921.8] Stephen: You can say that about a lot of those brands though.
[1925.24] Curry: Yeah, but they're particularly bad.
[1927.48] Stephen: So I'm just going to say, I'll say that like that.
[1931.0] Stephen: They're leagues ahead of B to FPV.
[1933.48] Stephen: Yeah, most people have a happy model.
[1935.24] Jack: Strong C, strong C, or C is good.
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[1967.8] Stephen: I fly it.
[1969.08] Stephen: Alright, so they have a lot of marketing.
[1971.32] Stephen: They send out a lot of quads to people.
[1973.08] Stephen: So they get a lot of reviews, but they don't make their own hardware, right?
[1977.08] Stephen: I think they're made by air bot.
[1979.8] Stephen: And the motors are made by fly fish, right?
[1983.24] Jack: I don't have those.
[1985.64] Jack: From this point of view,
[1988.04] Curry: it's kind of like it doesn't it doesn't matter so much that they don't build their
[1992.52] Curry: own stuff.
[1993.24] Curry: It's the fact that they can put a good model together.
[1995.24] Curry: And again, I'm coming back to the began RTF stuff.
[1998.84] Curry: And they they bought out the as a dimension moment.
[2004.68] Curry: What's what's this one called?
[2006.28] Curry: It's this one.
[2006.92] Curry: This is the good one.
[2007.64] Curry: I'm era.
[2008.68] Curry: No, the chimera is the one I've butchered horrifically.
[2011.64] Curry: This is the Nazgul five.
[2013.64] Curry: Thank you, Jack for that one.
[2015.08] Curry: Yeah, the Nazgul five cheap and really good out of the box experience.
[2019.8] Curry: The the chimera starters get that the horrendous.
[2024.28] Curry: Some of the people in check wouldn't have seen this.
[2026.44] Curry: The I want to kill my camera chimera seven here, which is also lovely.
[2031.48] Curry: They do put very good packages to be on exhibit be your honor.
[2039.08] Stephen: I have an I flight flight controller, the F7 twin G where every single five volt pad
[2044.36] Stephen: is connected to USB.
[2046.52] Stephen: So if you plug any high load stuff in on five volt, it browns out your USB hub.
[2053.08] Koel: Well, you guys know Ken Dobo, original Dobo.
[2056.12] Koel: He was having issues with his I flight Camira seven.
[2060.04] Stephen: I guess some issues with that guy is also a bit of a day.
[2064.2] Stephen: It's not an example of you.
[2065.56] Curry: You can't put it there.
[2066.92] Curry: You can't put it below happy.
[2068.04] Curry: See, that's crazy.
[2069.24] Stephen: It's yeah, it's the Nazgul five happy model.
[2073.32] Jack: They make big quads like that's good.
[2076.92] Jack: Yeah, but that can drag them up, you know, in.
[2081.08] Stephen: Yeah.
[2081.8] Stephen: There's also I think there's a bias where people see the whoop stuff as being like
[2085.88] Stephen: less quality than five inches and seven inches.
[2089.4] Koel: Okay, we only have 20 minutes left and we got to get through a thousand.
[2092.36] Koel: Go go go.
[2093.08] Koel: Get past the speed around speed around.
[2095.4] Curry: No, I think this is going to go into next week, everybody.
[2098.84] Curry: We've got a subject for this.
[2100.92] Curry: Yes.
[2101.8] Stephen: No, it's Patreon.
[2102.92] Stephen: It's fine.
[2104.04] Stephen: Get past the theory.
[2105.4] Stephen: I don't know.
[2106.84] Curry: They used to back in the olden days.
[2109.56] Curry: They haven't done anything in a while.
[2110.6] Curry: They were really, really good.
[2112.28] Curry: And I've got one of the best three inch experience from them in the model.
[2116.52] Curry: I can't remember, but recently, I've seen it.
[2120.28] Curry: I would put them below my flight.
[2122.36] Curry: Personally, I would put them in the D rank right now because the stuff they're
[2125.32] Curry: bringing out is terrible.
[2126.76] Curry: The last thing I had from them in which they stopped talking to me as a reviewer
[2130.76] Curry: because I said, this isn't working.
[2133.0] Jack: Is it going to be the first Eve?
[2135.0] Jack: Not talking to Curry.
[2136.36] Jack: Not talking to me.
[2137.4] Curry: That drops you down.
[2139.16] Curry: They bought out this combined flight controller and VTX.
[2143.8] Curry: And there was just so much noise from the flight control into the VTX.
[2147.72] Curry: And I said, this is just giving awful picture.
[2151.56] Curry: And also, the props you gave me are terrible.
[2153.72] Curry: And they're like, no, they're not.
[2154.92] Curry: You're not flying it right.
[2156.76] Curry: And it's like, what?
[2157.88] Curry: And the pictures are fuzzy because I'm not flying it right.
[2162.6] Jack: Oh, firstly, yeah.
[2166.04] Jack: Since that time, they haven't spoken to me.
[2169.64] Curry: No, they're not dogs.
[2171.96] Curry: I'd put them as a D, but you can put them as E as you like.
[2174.68] Stephen: Brother, hold me.
[2175.56] Stephen: Who's that? I can't read that.
[2176.36] Stephen: Oh, they're solid.
[2177.88] Stephen: They've been around for donkeys.
[2180.68] Stephen: I haven't seen much from them lately.
[2182.6] Curry: They still do long-range motors.
[2185.48] Curry: They mostly did, didn't they?
[2187.24] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[2188.12] Stephen: They're just motors, I think.
[2189.8] Stephen: I'd put them, and honestly, I haven't seen anyone break any.
[2193.88] Stephen: So yeah, I'd put them right near the top.
[2195.88] Stephen: Yeah.
[2196.36] Stephen: Unless there's any counter-assemble.
[2197.88] Curry: Well, first, the question is, if you were going to buy new motors now, would you like,
[2202.6] Curry: oh, I must look at Brother Hobbie's.
[2204.28] Curry: He's like, no.
[2205.16] Stephen: If they're still current, ask me in power, zing.
[2209.0] Stephen: Can someone just have a quick good look at what we can buy?
[2213.16] Koel: I've seen Brother Hobbie, thinking of which.
[2218.52] Stephen: Can you still buy them?
[2219.56] Stephen: And get this week.
[2220.68] Stephen: Team motor.
[2224.12] Jack: Yeah, they're team motor over here somewhere.
[2229.88] Jack: Speedie B.
[2230.36] Stephen: Well, we're ready to code it, bro.
[2231.32] Stephen: Speedie B.
[2233.24] Stephen: Well, that's a bit niche.
[2234.68] Stephen: The skanky app that just has a load of advertising in it.
[2237.96] Stephen: I mean, yeah, their app moves them here.
[2241.56] Stephen: Yeah, their app is dodgy AF.
[2244.12] Jack: And then they had the V2 scandal.
[2245.4] Stephen: They take all the code and don't acknowledge anyone else.
[2248.76] Stephen: Don't acknowledge the licenses.
[2250.36] Stephen: And they just make money on the advertising, which is a bit scabby.
[2254.68] Stephen: C, D.
[2255.88] Stephen: I go to D.
[2257.16] Stephen: Also, their latest flight controller flies like, well, poop, apparently.
[2261.72] Koel: You know what we should actually do?
[2263.0] Koel: We should put every brand in the S tier so we can get tons of sponsorships for LDO.
[2267.48] Koel: And then we'll just be awesome.
[2269.88] Jack: What sponsorships?
[2271.8] Jack: It's our lovely Patreons that keep us afloat.
[2275.0] Koel: Oh, yes.
[2275.48] Koel: People have to watch it first.
[2276.68] Koel: And while we're on this topic, if you haven't joined our Patreon,
[2278.76] Koel: you should do it now and you'll get awesome stuff.
[2280.92] Jack: Jack, tell them more about it.
[2282.44] Jack: There's a Patreon.
[2283.64] Jack: And no matter what tier you can watch, we can carry it on.
[2287.88] Stephen: You're all in the S tier for us Patreons.
[2290.12] Stephen: You're all amazing.
[2291.24] Koel: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[2292.76] Koel: Hold on, hold on.
[2293.64] Koel: We need to know.
[2294.6] Koel: We have to tell the people what Patreon is all about so they can join it.
[2298.36] Stephen: Patreon is a way of saying you like something.
[2301.8] Stephen: And because of that, instead of hoping the advertising eventually pays the way,
[2306.44] Stephen: you can just give the money directly to us.
[2308.52] Stephen: Because if you try and put it through YouTube, they take a cut.
[2311.56] Stephen: Patreon takes a smaller cut.
[2313.24] Stephen: And it just enables us to keep paying the web servers
[2316.6] Stephen: and keep paying the editor and people like that.
[2318.84] Jack: And the hosting for our podcast.
[2321.4] Stephen: Yeah, and you only get charged for the amount that we produce.
[2324.28] Stephen: So it's just a per-show little donation.
[2328.76] Koel: Yeah, so if you like what we do, give us a tip.
[2331.96] Koel: That'd be great.
[2332.84] Koel: We would love it.
[2334.04] Curry: Free Sky is an interesting one.
[2335.64] Curry: Thank you.
[2336.92] Curry: Because Free Sky is going to be great.
[2338.84] Curry: You only have to go a couple of years ago,
[2340.52] Curry: and they were unimpeachable.
[2342.6] Stephen: They were definitely S rank all the way.
[2344.76] Stephen: And no one's talking about Taranis.
[2346.6] Stephen: The Taranis were good.
[2347.56] Stephen: But if you were to go and buy a radio now...
[2350.68] Jack: I have one for each nipple.
[2353.4] Stephen: If you looked at the Ethos radios,
[2355.8] Stephen: would you spend like 300 quid on an Ethos radio?
[2359.96] Jack: Me and Stephen are part of the Free Sky fan club.
[2364.76] Jack: Frisky fan club.
[2365.72] Jack: This guy, Frisky.
[2367.88] Stephen: Which was their original name,
[2369.16] Stephen: because they decided that they were going to be called Frisky.
[2371.88] Stephen: And then someone pointed out that it meant sexually adventurous
[2375.16] Stephen: and a little bit upright.
[2376.52] Curry: Here's the thing with Free Sky, yeah.
[2381.48] Curry: I mean, we could say like they've done everything in their power
[2386.6] Curry: to try and murder their own brand.
[2389.48] Curry: But me and Jack would still talk about it.
[2392.44] Curry: I've got a whole bunch of quads there.
[2393.88] Curry: They're still on the XM Plus.
[2395.0] Curry: The XM Plus is absolutely a solid receiver still.
[2400.12] Curry: It's not quite dog shit,
[2401.8] Curry: but at the same time you wouldn't buy it these days
[2404.12] Curry: because you just go and buy Express LRS.
[2406.36] Curry: It's not quite dog shit, but it doesn't smell that good.
[2409.96] Stephen: I've only seen one brand that's worse than FR Sky,
[2413.8] Stephen: and that's Fly Sky.
[2416.84] Stephen: For radios.
[2417.48] Stephen: If you're going to put them well for receivers,
[2420.84] Stephen: like if you see someone profile and they've got an issue.
[2423.32] Curry: Oh, Fly Sky's much, much worse than Free Sky, I think.
[2427.56] Stephen: So then Fly Sky are like sub-dog shit, I'd say.
[2432.52] Curry: Yeah, but Fly Sky are sort of so cheap and cheap.
[2435.88] Stephen: Go easy on the DX thing now.
[2438.92] Stephen: Remember that we were talking about Happy Model,
[2441.08] Stephen: who can bring you an Express LRS receiver for 10 UK pounds.
[2446.2] Stephen: And then you're comparing that to Fly Sky.
[2448.36] Stephen: I think you'll actually find the Fly Sky stuff costs more
[2451.8] Stephen: even for a PPM receiver.
[2453.8] Curry: It's very tricky because everybody had a Tyrannus.
[2457.24] Curry: It was such a way forward.
[2459.24] Curry: It's such a good, cheap radio for the time.
[2461.72] Curry: However, that time has moved on.
[2463.8] Curry: And if you wanted to buy a radio, you would not buy a Tyrannus.
[2466.36] Curry: If you wanted to buy a receiver, you would not buy an XM Plus.
[2468.52] Curry: So maybe it belongs in E.
[2470.52] Stephen: So the current range, how many of you own an EthOS radio
[2474.2] Stephen: or are considering buying an EthOS radio?
[2476.84] Curry: Absolutely no video choice.
[2478.52] Curry: Yeah.
[2479.96] Stephen: Yeah, right.
[2480.76] Stephen: So that's the current crop of radios.
[2483.0] Jack: D, E.
[2484.68] Stephen: E.
[2485.96] Curry: E.
[2486.92] Jack: Next.
[2487.96] Curry: We haven't even moved on to the R9 fiasco.
[2490.2] Curry: Chat, D or E.
[2493.56] Jack: Oh yeah, I reckon.
[2495.96] Stephen: We've got a DS.
[2499.96] Stephen: Loss of signal.
[2501.64] Stephen: I've always had good experience with XM Pluses, generally.
[2504.84] Curry: Somewhere between D and S.
[2506.84] Stephen: E, E, E, E.
[2509.56] Stephen: Tony says S tier.
[2511.32] Stephen: So I mean, DS as in dog poop, not S as in the top tier.
[2517.24] Stephen: But there's not a huge failure rate, is there?
[2521.24] Curry: They're just a crap company now that you wouldn't necessarily talk to.
[2525.24] Jack: E, E, E, all right, thank you, chat, thank you.
[2528.92] Jack: Thank you.
[2531.4] Jack: Chat gets more done.
[2532.68] Stephen: Jumper, Jumper will get nothing done.
[2535.08] Jack: Cute little squirrel thing.
[2536.68] Jack: I think that's cute.
[2538.2] Jack: I wouldn't mind having a box.
[2540.28] Curry: I've had personal breakdowns with radios from Jumper
[2547.96] Curry: and they were pretty unhelpful when I said my radio has failed.
[2553.46] Curry: C, B, C.
[2555.86] Curry: They're good.
[2557.14] Curry: They make okay radios.
[2559.06] Curry: You just have to say, would you want a jumper or radio master?
[2563.38] Curry: We're not even talking about that silly thing, Stephen.
[2569.94] Curry: We all know what your favourite radio is.
[2572.18] Jack: That's a thumbnail right there.
[2573.62] Jack: Yeah, that's a jumper.
[2574.9] Curry: T8SGV2.
[2577.78] Jack: I think you might like the curry one a little bit.
[2579.3] Jack: I think they're a strong C.
[2581.7] Stephen: How did you guess?
[2583.14] Jack: Look, B, C.
[2585.06] Stephen: I think C's fair there.
[2587.22] Jack: C.
[2592.58] Jack: All right, next, radio master.
[2597.94] Stephen: I put them at the top.
[2598.98] Stephen: I mean, just bang straight to the top.
[2601.62] Stephen: They picked up where Jumper was going wrong
[2603.62] Stephen: and they haven't really put a foot wrong since then.
[2606.02] Curry: Well, I mean, if you're going to nitpick,
[2607.94] Curry: we can talk about the boxer module bay if you want to.
[2612.18] Curry: Which is a problem.
[2613.14] Curry: However, one more way, a one more way.
[2614.9] Curry: One thing is like, I send them a video and they're like,
[2617.46] Curry: we're going to look at this and we're going to fix it.
[2619.38] Curry: So some of it's not about...
[2621.46] Curry: Which is what you want, right?
[2622.58] Curry: If it's past or failed, it's like,
[2623.86] Curry: what are you going to do to fix it?
[2624.98] Curry: We're going to fix it.
[2625.86] Curry: Exactly.
[2626.66] Curry: That's good.
[2628.5] Curry: We also had the problem where they had that problem
[2630.98] Curry: with the power input on those modules they had,
[2635.22] Curry: which were the Ranger modules, but not the big fancy one,
[2638.26] Curry: where if you plugged in the XC30,
[2639.94] Curry: it was getting the wrong signal or something.
[2641.86] Curry: And they took those away and they fixed them
[2643.46] Curry: and they've just come back on the market now.
[2645.3] Curry: Yeah.
[2645.78] Stephen: And that's what you want.
[2647.78] Stephen: If someone's willing to say, send it to us free of charge,
[2650.5] Stephen: we'll fix the problem.
[2652.34] Stephen: That puts you at the top, right?
[2654.1] Jack: Cool.
[2654.58] Jack: I mean, if that's the case, HD0?
[2657.54] Stephen: No, we don't know yet.
[2658.82] Koel: Okay, we're not going backwards.
[2660.18] Koel: Okay, next.
[2660.58] Koel: Put KISS down today.
[2661.38] Stephen: I own you on the owns any HD0 kit and I don't know.
[2664.18] Stephen: I think KISS needs to be...
[2665.38] Stephen: Dog shit.
[2667.38] Stephen: Dog shit.
[2669.3] Stephen: Really?
[2670.1] Stephen: It's got to be.
[2671.14] Stephen: They're not great, mate.
[2672.34] Koel: But guys, I learned how to find a simulator with a light radio.
[2676.74] Koel: Guys, it's S tier, guys.
[2679.7] Jack: Yeah, like, if eMacs are up here and Happy Model are here...
[2686.82] Jack: You're complaining about documentation.
[2689.3] Stephen: Happy Model's documentation is better than B to FPVs.
[2692.58] Koel: Okay, so let me say this one thing.
[2694.1] Koel: So my light radio, which is not much of a standard to really shake a stick at,
[2698.66] Koel: but the gimbal got all funky where I was getting gimbal drift.
[2702.02] Koel: I opened it up and slightly moved a wire over and it stopped the gimbal drift.
[2706.82] Koel: I was like, oh, it's manufacturing quality.
[2711.38] Curry: Yeah, the first light radio I had rattled.
[2714.1] Curry: And that's because the weights they put in it to make you feel artificially heavy
[2719.38] Curry: had unglued themselves and the buzzer had also come apart.
[2723.14] Curry: But their failure rate's very high.
[2724.66] Curry: They also make very unfriendly boards where in order to solder something,
[2729.86] Curry: I take at least four resistors off every time I put my soldering iron near it
[2733.54] Curry: because the pad's like down there.
[2736.42] Curry: But also...
[2736.9] Stephen: But also if you fire, there's been a beta FPV all in one.
[2741.62] Curry: There's another company of the many that don't speak to me anymore
[2744.82] Curry: because on their Pavo review, where it had awful yaw washout,
[2748.66] Curry: I said to them, this has awful yaw washout.
[2751.06] Curry: And I said, if you couldn't mention that and we'll fix it.
[2753.38] Curry: And I said, we'll fix it.
[2754.42] Curry: And then I'll make another video and it's not fixed still.
[2757.62] Curry: And they haven't, but they haven't spoken to me since, but you know.
[2761.94] Koel: Yeah, so they're just barely above the DS level.
[2768.34] Stephen: Yeah, I keep them down and move on.
[2770.5] Stephen: We've got a lot more to go.
[2772.26] Jack: No, it's all right, man.
[2773.38] Jack: We've got overtime in the Patreon.
[2777.54] Jack: Oh, we've got overtime.
[2778.5] Jack: I've got to go.
[2780.34] Koel: If we only have 10 minutes left for the main people, let's go over like the...
[2784.5] Koel: Should I say the poop land?
[2785.86] Stephen: Let's go and put something that we know can be in DS land, right?
[2789.86] Stephen: The poop land.
[2790.5] Stephen: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2791.38] Stephen: Because there's one brand on there that I have no qualms about putting in poop land.
[2795.38] Stephen: And that's J H E M C U.
[2798.02] Stephen: They are... exactly.
[2800.5] Stephen: Who are they?
[2800.98] Stephen: They are a very cheap all in one flight manufacturer.
[2804.18] Stephen: They do a whole bunch of targets.
[2805.38] Stephen: We're on diatone.
[2806.82] Koel: Okay, okay, Jack.
[2808.02] Koel: Yes, okay.
[2808.58] Stephen: Just saying you've got a couple of minutes.
[2810.5] Stephen: I was trying to make something that would amuse.
[2814.9] Curry: I think we should save that.
[2816.26] Curry: Like, if we've got stuff over, I think we should save it for a main show, to be honest.
[2820.02] Curry: Yeah, we should save it for next week, I think, to the rest of the year.
[2822.5] Stephen: Bonus.
[2822.98] Stephen: So, diatone.
[2824.98] Stephen: I mean, I get diatone probably with iFlight because they're like toe to toe, aren't they?
[2830.42] Stephen: Like, they've both released quads at the same cycle and they're roughly equivalent.
[2835.3] Koel: D?
[2837.38] Koel: I have no experience.
[2838.42] Stephen: Not quality, but does work.
[2840.82] Stephen: I mean, the hardware is just clone hardware.
[2843.54] Stephen: It's made by Airbot, right?
[2846.82] Koel: Well, the diatone aromas and stuff, I hear some decent things about it, but...
[2852.1] Curry: I always thought they put together decent RTF quads or PNF quads.
[2857.22] Curry: But not outstanding.
[2858.9] Curry: But it's like a mid-tier brand that you'd think, oh, this is pretty good.
[2862.82] Curry: It's no job done.
[2864.66] Stephen: If someone's a beginner and they want to buy a five-inch, then you wouldn't hesitate
[2868.58] Stephen: to recommend either diatone or iFlight.
[2870.9] Stephen: You'd be like, B?
[2872.1] Stephen: You're going to be all right.
[2873.54] Stephen: No, no, just with iFlight.
[2876.1] Stephen: They're with iFlight.
[2877.78] Stephen: I find it hard to separate the two.
[2880.34] Stephen: One of these pairs of companies who pretty much exist
[2883.38] Stephen: just to make sure that the other company in the pair releases something new each year.
[2890.04] Koel: Oh, you know what?
[2890.92] Koel: Diatone, I have heard a lot of good things about their stacks.
[2895.08] Koel: The Mamba and stuff, yeah.
[2896.68] Curry: I've got some Mamba stacks.
[2898.44] Curry: But no, I still would put them there with iFlight, as Stephen said.
[2901.88] Curry: They're about that sort of level.
[2904.92] Jack: Yeah, okay.
[2907.0] Jack: Skystar.
[2908.76] Jack: No.
[2909.4] Curry: Skystar.
[2910.36] Stephen: No, they're not new at all.
[2911.56] Stephen: India.
[2911.96] Stephen: If you look, Skystars, the Skylord, was reviewed by AndyRC a very long time ago,
[2917.96] Stephen: and he gave it a great review.
[2919.32] Stephen: The trouble is they don't have flashy marketing.
[2921.72] Stephen: They've been around.
[2923.32] Stephen: I think they were started about six months after iFlight.
[2927.0] Stephen: And they make their own hardware.
[2928.68] Stephen: And they've released...
[2929.64] Stephen: They've taken a gamble.
[2930.84] Stephen: They're the only people that ship an AM32 ESC.
[2935.32] Stephen: And I chat to the designer every now and then, one of their designers.
[2941.08] Stephen: They're quite responsive and quite helpful.
[2942.76] Stephen: And they're the most conversant in Betaflight right now.
[2947.16] Stephen: They're pretty chatty and helpful.
[2949.56] Koel: Apparently, they have a $10,000 flight controller stack.
[2952.6] Koel: I think it might be a typo on their website.
[2954.44] Koel: Oh, it's got to be a typo.
[2956.36] Stephen: They have about a million and one,
[2958.12] Stephen: because they don't remove the old products from their website,
[2960.6] Stephen: which a lot of manufacturers do.
[2962.76] Stephen: You can't find the original SuxEx products on iFlight's site anymore.
[2968.12] Stephen: But Skystars keep everything up there,
[2969.88] Stephen: which makes their product lineup look kind of chaotic.
[2975.16] Stephen: But yeah, I'd rate them.
[2978.92] Jack: Yeah, I've started using them.
[2981.48] Jack: And yeah, it seemed pretty solid to me.
[2984.84] Jack: These two are unknown.
[2987.32] Jack: I don't know if this is too...
[2989.56] Jack: I'll give them a B.
[2990.28] Jack: Wait, no, no, no.
[2991.56] Curry: I've you guys have got direct experience.
[2993.8] Curry: I've got two of their ESCs.
[2995.16] Stephen: And I've had one stuck in an oak tree for about 15 minutes,
[2998.84] Stephen: trying to crash flip it out.
[3000.6] Stephen: And I didn't blow any of the ESCs, so...
[3003.56] Stephen: Anyone in chat use them?
[3005.72] Koel: Anyone see?
[3007.16] Koel: I've just up.
[3008.52] Stephen: Unknown, unknown.
[3010.12] Stephen: The thing is, I think they've been around for a really long time.
[3012.92] Stephen: You can't say they're unknown,
[3014.12] Stephen: because they've been around as long as the likes of,
[3017.56] Stephen: well, every other brand up there.
[3019.0] Stephen: They're probably a lot older than other brands.
[3021.4] Curry: As you say, with the failure to market their products,
[3023.96] Curry: perhaps that's why they're being unknown by lots of people.
[3027.16] Stephen: Yeah, they're a smaller company.
[3028.6] Stephen: And they haven't kind of hit that hockey stick where,
[3030.76] Stephen: you know, the sales increase,
[3032.12] Stephen: and all of a sudden you can spend more on marketing.
[3034.28] Stephen: So they don't give everyone three quads like iFlite does.
[3038.84] Stephen: Matek, I mean, has anyone had a bad Matek?
[3042.52] Stephen: And not Matek clone, because they're cloned a lot.
[3045.8] Stephen: Has anyone seen a bad one?
[3047.96] Jack: No.
[3048.68] Jack: The cheaper 405 one, the...
[3052.52] Jack: No, not 405, the 411.
[3056.36] Jack: I hated that.
[3057.64] Jack: But everything else has been great.
[3060.36] Jack: How did you get on with the PWM?
[3062.52] Jack: The ERS receiver.
[3064.68] Jack: Have you done anything with it?
[3068.28] Stephen: I may or may not have decided to build three other quads.
[3072.76] Jack: I... S... S...
[3075.48] Jack: At least today.
[3076.2] Jack: Are you saying, I think it's going to be built for now.
[3077.56] Stephen: I've built one. Why?
[3079.4] Stephen: I built an ultra light five inch.
[3081.88] Koel: See you, Kerry.
[3082.44] Koel: Bye, Kerry.
[3083.88] Stephen: They are pretty great.
[3085.32] Stephen: So in terms of Matek, I own one, two, three, four,
[3090.04] Stephen: four of their flight controllers and a load of their LED boards.
[3094.36] Stephen: And BEX as well.
[3095.4] Stephen: Like, I've got a whole bunch of them.
[3096.6] Stephen: They make BEX.
[3097.4] Stephen: They make LEDs.
[3098.28] Stephen: They make everything that you'd need.
[3100.2] Jack: S-tier.
[3101.56] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[3102.28] Jack: They put the work in.
[3104.36] Jack: Well done, that.
[3105.32] Jack: Yeah.
[3106.92] Stephen: Yeah.
[3108.68] Stephen: And their documentation is exemplary.
[3111.08] Stephen: If you ever want to see what a wiring diagram should look like,
[3113.72] Stephen: go to Matek's website, because it's just perfect.
[3116.84] Jack: You'll go up there.
[3118.68] Jack: Solid S, well done, mate.
[3119.32] Jack: Now, hobby wing.
[3119.72] Stephen: Racers love hobby wing, right?
[3122.04] Stephen: The X-rotors are very, very popular.
[3125.56] Jack: I only know them from plain ESCs.
[3129.4] Jack: I've seen one of them go up pretty quickly.
[3134.52] Jack: And this was like early 2016, 2017.
[3138.84] Jack: S for hobby wing, numbskull.
[3141.8] Jack: S, double A, flight one.
[3143.88] Jack: Racers love them.
[3145.0] Jack: They're really popular.
[3145.88] Stephen: S, S, A.
[3147.56] Stephen: They did this X-rotor stack of, I think, flight control around ESC.
[3152.2] Stephen: And it's just up there at the top, whenever you look for recommendations.
[3156.92] Koel: This was so good that if we...
[3159.24] Koel: We have enough left to do a whole other episode of this.
[3162.04] Stephen: Hobby wing, where?
[3164.68] Koel: Everyone's saying A.
[3165.72] Stephen: Well, you had to stop moving it.
[3167.16] Stephen: I think you should leave it up at S or A, because...
[3169.24] Stephen: H-tier is good, yeah.
[3170.76] Stephen: I, fair enough.
[3171.72] Stephen: How many bad comments have you got about hobby wing?
[3174.2] Stephen: I don't think we've got any.
[3175.64] Stephen: I haven't got any.
[3178.04] Koel: Yeah, see, people are loving this.
[3179.88] Koel: So we'll do it.
[3182.44] Koel: We're going to do it.
[3182.92] Koel: We should definitely do it next week again.
[3184.52] Koel: But we should do more streams like this as well.
[3187.0] Stephen: What will happen in the next episode.
[3188.84] Jack: Right.
[3189.8] Jack: Let me do the outro and...
[3192.84] Jack: Right.
[3193.32] Jack: So I need a few things from people here.
[3196.52] Jack: If you watch this, if you enjoyed it, share it, like it, comment down.
[3203.88] Jack: And if you could think of any retailers or manufacturers that we haven't got included,
[3209.72] Jack: here's the list remaining.
[3212.04] Jack: Put them in the comments.
[3213.32] Jack: I can add them with the logo.
[3215.88] Jack: If you think that we've misplaced something other than Kiss, let us know.
[3223.32] Jack: And we will take that into account next week.
[3228.04] Jack: Maybe.
[3228.44] Jack: Also, if you're proud of where the manufacturer is, please share it to one of their socials.
[3237.24] Jack: So, you know, let Maytech know that we are a radio master, that they're S tier.
[3243.64] Jack: And that will really help us.
[3244.84] Koel: And that we said it.
[3245.8] Koel: And that we are the ones.
[3247.0] Koel: We all decided it together.
[3249.08] Jack: Clearly, it's an enjoyable episode.
[3251.64] Jack: So share it about, tell your mate, be like, here, watch this.
[3255.72] Jack: And then we can have a bigger conversation with voting next week.
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[3287.8] Jack: And everyone who tunes in live on the Thursday at 8pm to 9pm UK time, which is currently GMT zero.
[3298.36] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favorite must-ask Steven.
[3302.44] Jack: Yes, goodbye.
[3304.28] Jack: Curry getting left early.
[3306.92] Jack: You've been joined by my buddy, Carl.
[3309.64] Jack: See you.
[3310.92] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[3312.84] Jack: Tune in next week.
[3314.36] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3315.64] Jack: Support.
[3316.2] Jack: Share the hell out of this.
[3317.8] Jack: Thank you.
[3318.2] Stephen: Share, share, share.
[3319.56] Stephen: Tell everyone.
[3320.28] Koel: Like, comment and subscribe.
[3322.68] Jack: Yeah.
[3323.16] Jack: Thumb it up.
[3324.76] Koel: Thumb it up.
[3325.56] Koel: Side up there.
[3326.68] Koel: Right up there.
[3327.8] Stephen: Telemetry lost.