=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 395 ===
Title: LDO 395 - Spring Has Sprung
Recorded: 2023-03-23
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,420
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzJifLILmI); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1477403137-letsdroneout-ldo-395-spring-has-sprung.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.3] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.38] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to Carlos Campos, Art Faulkner, Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[57.86] Jack: Hello.
[58.86] Jack: Today's the 23rd by Cole's recommendations or knowledge.
[67.82] Jack: I believe he put into Google when spring is in Britain and it was currently started on
[74.42] Jack: the 20th.
[76.94] Jack: That's not accurate.
[78.34] Jack: And Curry is outraged.
[80.34] Curry: I'm outraged.
[81.34] Curry: Now, maybe in Canada where they say, oh, only one moose related death, that means it's spring.
[87.7] Curry: Over here, it's we got gales and rain.
[91.1] Jack: That's not very springy weather, unfortunately.
[94.02] Jack: No, anyway, tonight you are joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[100.14] Jack: Hello.
[102.34] Jack: Everyone's favorite moustache, Steven.
[104.62] Jack: Cheers.
[105.62] Jack: Hello.
[106.62] Jack: And everyone's favorite.
[109.46] Jack: Apparently it's spring.
[110.94] Jack: God damn you, Canadian girl.
[114.7] Stephen: And Jack, who's waited until we've gone live to start eating a Kit Kat.
[118.98] Stephen: Perfect.
[119.98] Curry: Don't you dare break it off properly.
[124.46] Jack: Curry's back.
[126.26] Jack: So that means that I need to do this.
[129.9] Curry: I'll kick you out.
[131.9] Jack: Oh, no.
[133.9] Jack: So bad.
[135.9] Jack: I'm sorry.
[137.9] Jack: I'm savage.
[139.9] Stephen: Outrageous.
[141.82] Stephen: Did you buy that Kit Kat just for that?
[144.08] Stephen: If you maintain the ratios just so, is there a correct way to eat that fashion curry or
[148.52] Stephen: is it how to be finger by finger?
[150.44] Curry: No, it's obviously finger by finger.
[153.2] Curry: It's not just an OCD thing.
[155.76] Curry: It's like you get to enjoy little borrowed chocolate by little borrowed chocolate.
[161.04] Curry: You wouldn't eat a Twix like that, would you?
[162.28] Curry: You wouldn't just unwrap it and stuff both in your mouth.
[165.28] Curry: No, I wouldn't.
[166.28] Stephen: I'd never do that.
[167.28] Koel: Exactly.
[168.28] Stephen: I've seen it done.
[169.28] Stephen: There's situations when you don't want the wafer crumbs everywhere, you've got to think
[171.44] Stephen: about that.
[172.44] Jack: Yeah.
[173.8] Jack: For our audio listeners, I opened a Kit Kat that had four fingers and I randomly took
[180.32] Jack: a bite out of them without breaking them individually.
[185.44] Jack: And this is like an animal curry.
[187.44] Koel: Well, that's for me.
[189.44] Curry: I'm just thinking, I'm trying to think if there's an exception to the rule with Japanese
[192.6] Curry: Kit Kats because they're so damn small and come in interesting flavours.
[197.04] Curry: Are those the green ones?
[199.04] Curry: There's hundreds of flavours of Kit Kats in Japan.
[202.04] Curry: Yeah.
[203.64] Curry: Kit Kats is one of the worst.
[205.64] Jack: It's to do with...
[206.64] Jack: It's not even a good flavour for tea.
[208.64] Jack: Yeah, it's something to do with luck.
[211.64] Jack: It has the same character as luck and you buy Kit Kats as presents and you can write
[221.12] Jack: little good luck with the exams and stuff.
[226.12] Stephen: So, yeah.
[229.12] Stephen: I don't know, as presents go, Kit Kat really says...
[232.32] Stephen: I was at the petrol station, but I was pushed for time, so I skipped the flowers section.
[237.32] Koel: Yeah.
[238.32] Koel: Sounds about right.
[239.32] Jack: Have you been out flying a Soul Steven or have you been daddy-doggy?
[245.98] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[246.98] Stephen: We got a little Schnauzer, which is a German colloquial, I understand, for a moustache,
[252.98] Stephen: but not of the handlebar variety, of the walrus variety.
[256.98] Stephen: So an inverted version of what I have.
[259.98] Stephen: She's just waxed it down.
[262.98] Stephen: Well, yeah, then it just gets in everything.
[265.98] Stephen: She's a lovely little Schnauzer that we're calling Bob, short for Kate.
[270.98] Stephen: And, yeah, seems to be settling in very well.
[274.98] Curry: I like the logic on the shorter names there.
[276.98] Curry: That works.
[278.98] Curry: Bob.
[280.98] Curry: Bob.
[281.98] Curry: Short for Kate.
[282.98] Stephen: Nice.
[284.98] Stephen: How's everyone else been?
[286.98] Koel: Not too bad.
[287.98] Koel: I'm in the process of moving and I've had 36 showings in the past 12 days.
[293.98] Koel: It's amazing.
[295.98] Curry: 36.
[296.98] Curry: He literally wants to kill people.
[297.98] Koel: And no one's going to take our place.
[299.98] Koel: So we're going to have...
[300.98] Curry: Is this people coming to see you or you going to look at other places?
[303.98] Curry: No, no, no.
[304.98] Koel: People coming to our place while we're home and...
[307.98] Koel: 36.
[308.98] Koel: 36 and 12 days and they've had one offer and then the one person who was part of the offer
[314.98] Koel: is not taking it.
[316.98] Koel: So, yeah, I'm estimating I'll have about 100 viewings before I leave this place.
[324.98] Koel: And still no one's going to take it.
[326.98] Koel: I don't know who's that.
[328.98] Stephen: Yeah.
[329.98] Stephen: At least there's two of you there.
[331.98] Stephen: So if one of you is indisposed, you don't have to freak out.
[335.98] Koel: Yeah.
[336.98] Koel: It's fine.
[337.98] Koel: I'll survive.
[338.98] Koel: It's annoying, but it's not the end of the world.
[342.98] Koel: Yeah.
[343.98] Jack: Yeah.
[344.98] Jack: I have done nothing.
[345.98] Jack: No.
[346.98] Curry: Do you think the problem is, Carl, that maybe people saw the show and you had that virtual
[351.98] Curry: background and they're like, that looks like a great place.
[353.98] Curry: Let's see it.
[354.98] Curry: And they get there.
[355.98] Curry: It's like, this is a hovel.
[356.98] Curry: I don't like it.
[357.98] Curry: That sounds pretty accurate.
[358.98] Koel: That sounds pretty spot on.
[360.98] Koel: They're like, wait, this isn't what we saw and that's thrown out.
[364.98] UNKNOWN: That's it.
[365.98] Koel: There's never enough space for a piano in here.
[368.98] Koel: What were you filming?
[370.98] Koel: Yeah.
[371.98] Koel: Yeah.
[372.98] Koel: The most I have done in the past week is I am building my new Apex and I am now currently
[380.48] Koel: putting my motors on my ESC, so that's fun.
[384.98] Koel: Cool.
[385.98] Koel: Yeah.
[386.98] Jack: I'm prepping him for his Kiss Ultras, so hopefully he can just plug it in and then go.
[394.06] Koel: I just want to be fully prepared and get her done.
[399.42] Jack: Yeah.
[401.1] Jack: How did you find it, Stephen?
[403.22] Jack: Was the show okay?
[405.9] Jack: Is it reinforced?
[406.9] Jack: Yeah.
[407.9] Stephen: I mean, I wanted to know more what was going on under the skin, you know, to know why.
[412.46] Stephen: But when we started talking about the, there's this thing that tightens up the pits and makes
[418.82] Stephen: it feel more concentrated or less, I just wanted to know what was going on with that.
[424.46] Stephen: And obviously you get to a point where with Kiss, because it's based on closed source,
[430.58] Stephen: you're not talking about the feature anymore.
[432.78] Stephen: You're talking about the implementation and it's just a, yeah, trade secret, can't talk
[436.98] Stephen: about that, which I think that's my biggest sort of frustration.
[441.5] Stephen: You get to a point, you're like, oh, that's really interesting.
[443.66] Stephen: So what's that doing exactly?
[444.66] Stephen: Oh yeah.
[445.66] Curry: I can't tell you.
[446.66] Curry: I did watch the show last week and I was much more convinced having listened to the guy.
[454.26] Curry: You just get the vibe of what he's doing and what he wants to do and that impressed me
[459.66] Curry: more.
[460.66] Curry: I still didn't really get why he still called it Kiss Ultra because it's like, well, we
[465.06] Curry: want to do something different to Kiss.
[466.98] Curry: I wasn't clear if he took the code from Kiss and made Kiss Ultra or it's a whole new implementation
[471.78] Curry: in which case he called it something different.
[473.7] Koel: Well, I think he, well, correct me if I'm wrong here, Jack, or if you know better than
[478.3] Koel: me, but I mean, he had a huge part of Kiss originally, right?
[483.22] Koel: So he's kind of taking what he did and carrying it on, I guess.
[491.02] Jack: He reckons he's got nine or 10% in the code.
[494.78] Jack: That's what he said on the show.
[495.78] Jack: Yeah, 2%.
[496.78] Jack: Left and the original Kiss.
[499.42] Jack: And I think the main thing of it is because he was involved with Kiss, I think there's
[508.14] Jack: a little bit of, he now knows how the sausage is made.
[513.22] Jack: So there's going to be whatever he writes is going to maybe, this is me just theorizing
[521.46] Jack: that there's going to be sort of people asking, well, did you get this from Kiss?
[529.06] Jack: Is it all completely rewritten or he's standing on the shoulders of giants and he's got that
[536.98] Jack: sort of bit that he likes of Kiss and he's leaving that in there.
[542.1] Jack: And he's doing key things like adding like OSD and everything.
[550.14] Jack: And it's built on Kiss.
[554.3] Jack: I mean, his company is named Kiss or Kiss Ultra.
[558.78] Koel: It's just a trade name like you said, right?
[564.46] Curry: He knows how it works.
[565.62] Curry: He's re-implemented perhaps the same stuff, perhaps in the same way or similar way or
[569.62] Curry: perhaps differently, but kind of similar and then he's taking it from there.
[573.54] Curry: Yeah.
[574.54] Curry: Anyway, yeah.
[575.54] Stephen: Like he was trying to say that it was more like beyond Kiss, the way he was describing
[578.74] Koel: it.
[579.74] Koel: Yeah, exactly.
[580.74] Koel: Yeah.
[581.74] Curry: Yeah.
[582.74] Curry: I still think it's an odd naming choice, but you know, he used it that way.
[586.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[587.3] Stephen: I'd really like them to be able to make a clean split completely from Kiss.
[590.78] Stephen: That would be great.
[591.78] Stephen: I kind of get to a point where it is its own thing.
[594.98] Stephen: I think that's going to be very healthy once the project gets to that point.
[597.82] Koel: I guess if that is the case, though, then like, where does that leave Kiss?
[602.14] Koel: Because...
[603.14] Stephen: Dead?
[604.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[605.14] Stephen: I mean, where does that leave base flight?
[606.14] Koel: Yeah.
[607.14] Jack: Dead.
[608.14] Jack: Yeah.
[609.14] Jack: Where does that leave clean flight?
[610.14] Jack: Yeah.
[611.14] Jack: You know, stuff just moves on, you know, and Kiss, you know, like, yeah, Kiss hasn't, unless
[619.26] Jack: we can get Paul on here, which I've asked several times, Paul of, you know, Paul Blake
[629.38] Jack: from Kiss, you know, but, you know, it's kind of like, why are we still talking about Kiss
[636.42] Jack: when the last thing we had off them was, you know, Kiss V2 and, yeah, 25, what was the
[646.38] Jack: last product?
[647.38] Jack: 25 amp BSCs, I think.
[650.02] Koel: This thing right here.
[651.02] Jack: Yeah.
[652.02] Stephen: Yeah, well, the singles.
[653.02] Stephen: Yeah.
[654.02] Stephen: You know.
[655.02] Stephen: Which people probably wouldn't run on anything above a three inch these days.
[658.46] Koel: But 25 amp?
[660.46] Stephen: I've got...
[661.46] Koel: Yeah.
[662.46] Koel: I'm running it on four amps, on a five inch.
[665.5] Stephen: Yeah.
[666.5] Stephen: But if you look at racers now, like the Mamba Race F75 is very popular.
[671.7] Stephen: It's nothing below a 55 amp, really.
[674.94] Stephen: Yeah.
[675.94] Stephen: Well, obviously those claims are often spurious and they're not good for the paper they're
[680.86] Stephen: written on.
[681.86] Stephen: But people are definitely, like I've done full throttle punch outs over a hundred amps.
[686.66] Stephen: So 25 amp a corner is just going to be dead on a punch out.
[690.62] Jack: Hazard says he thinks it's the all in one.
[693.86] Jack: Huh.
[694.86] Jack: Yeah, it could be.
[695.86] Jack: Yeah.
[696.86] Jack: I don't know.
[697.86] Jack: But, you know, I have got a spare board, so if you are curious and you'd like to have
[705.58] Jack: a go, let me know.
[707.34] Curry: I was just going to say, I'm curious to know what it's like to fly outside because I don't
[711.06] Curry: think it's happened since January something.
[713.86] Curry: Yeah.
[714.86] Curry: It's been that bad.
[716.14] Jack: I think I'm now agraphobic.
[718.94] Jack: That's how much I haven't gone outside.
[721.94] Stephen: I've got a couple of things on my desk that I was flying outside a bit earlier.
[725.98] Stephen: I've got a little like 2S guy with an AIO.
[729.9] Stephen: That's a proper AIO, everything.
[732.18] Stephen: You plug a camera into it and the motors and you're done.
[735.42] Stephen: It's got the receiver, the VTX, everything on there.
[737.7] Stephen: That's kind of magic.
[738.7] Stephen: That performs surprisingly well.
[741.86] Stephen: And then like a five inch with HD zero, not HD zero, a walk snail.
[746.78] Stephen: Yeah.
[747.78] Stephen: And I'm busy ripping out all my HD zero stuff because I'm just, I think I'm done with that,
[751.26] Stephen: to be honest, at this point.
[752.7] Curry: I think I'm seeing color theme coming along here, Stephen, where everything has to be
[757.1] Curry: yellow.
[758.1] Stephen: Oh, that's orange.
[759.1] Stephen: I'm having something, something of a renaissance.
[761.26] Stephen: I used to be a bit, everything must be black and I just got tired of it.
[765.42] Stephen: So yeah, I just, just having a bit of a laugh with everything right now.
[769.66] Stephen: It becomes anti-golf.
[770.66] Stephen: Why not?
[771.66] Stephen: Yeah.
[772.66] Stephen: Why not be silly?
[773.66] Stephen: Too old to care what people think.
[776.9] Jack: Have you worked on, Carl?
[779.74] Stephen: Keep going.
[780.74] Jack: Do it again.
[781.74] Jack: Yeah.
[782.74] Jack: Three more times.
[783.74] Stephen: So yeah, with FETEC and KISS, I like those projects.
[787.14] Stephen: I worry about the bus problem, the classical term in software engineering, like what happens
[791.9] Stephen: if someone gets hit by a bus?
[793.94] Stephen: It's a very macabre way of stating it, but it's real and I'd love for there to be not
[798.82] Stephen: just a community around it, but a way of ensuring that if anything, God forbid, happens to anyone
[805.5] Stephen: who's involved in making and designing that, that their work can live on.
[810.3] Stephen: And I think that that's one of the aspects that I often like about open source with KISS.
[814.82] Stephen: I just hope that can happen, you know?
[817.02] Curry: Yeah.
[818.02] Curry: So should we suggest that he has to sign into like his own repository once a week or it
[823.18] Curry: ultimately gets uploaded to GitHub or something?
[827.47] Stephen: I'm not going to say what the guy should do.
[830.03] Stephen: It's just a concern, you know, it's got a distinct flight feel and a lot of people like
[833.95] Stephen: it and it would be a shame if, you know, for whatever reason that vanished.
[838.23] Stephen: We had a case with BlueJ recently, well, I say recently, probably six or eight months
[843.07] Stephen: ago, where the guy who was originally working on BlueJ decided to step away, had personal
[847.99] Stephen: reasons for doing that.
[849.15] Stephen: That's fine and well.
[850.51] Stephen: But a lot of the stuff like the GitHub repos, the Discord servers, the whole community was
[857.67] Stephen: linked to him and he just stepped away from it.
[862.51] Stephen: So in that case, it can be quite a challenge.
[864.79] Stephen: I've seen that happen with BlueJ, luckily, we have kind of a couple of guys who took
[871.59] Stephen: over, Daniel and Chris, who are running ERC configurator and now working a lot on BlueJ
[878.31] Stephen: and they're pushing it ahead, but they had to move everything to a new Discord, move
[881.95] Stephen: everything to a new GitHub.
[883.75] Stephen: And there's still people who, you know, crop up on the old Discord and post all sorts of
[888.27] Stephen: dodgy stuff now and then and no one's admin who can get rid of it.
[892.03] Stephen: So it's a bit of an issue.
[893.75] Curry: Well, yeah, exactly the same thing happened on Open HD with one guy moving away who seemed
[900.71] Curry: to have all the binaries hosted on his personal computer and nobody could rebuild them and
[906.75] Curry: they've had to basically go back and reconstruct it from base now and try and move the flight.
[912.03] Curry: What's happened in Open HD land because you were tracking that pretty closely.
[915.83] Curry: Yeah, I've still got two things ready to go.
[919.71] Curry: They did the announcement about the new version, which is still in beta and it's missing some
[926.91] Curry: of the new bits and bobs.
[929.05] Curry: This is like the completely rebuilt thing, which has a lot more native code in it and
[934.99] Curry: stuff which people are testing and there's also like a Linux client for it so you can
[941.43] Curry: like run it off a laptop on your on your base and stuff.
[944.31] Stephen: Yeah, I've got an option so much more varied because you used to have a have to have Raspberry
[949.27] Stephen: Pi and it didn't work on other boards, right?
[951.67] Curry: That's right.
[952.67] Curry: So that they've expanded that.
[953.67] Curry: So it's the Jetson Nano was I think one of the ones that's that's official now.
[959.79] Curry: They haven't got like a Windows or Mac client.
[962.67] Curry: But they were also I've got a much better implementation of cameras so it can take basically
[969.43] Curry: USB cameras instead of like just this couple of cameras that worked with the right chipset
[974.59] Curry: and would do it right.
[975.71] Curry: So I think they're there I I've not I've I've got like two models ready to fly using the
[981.15] Curry: old version but I've been away from flying and do anything with it for so long.
[985.47] Curry: I don't know what I can't even remember how to fly anything.
[988.17] Curry: That's how long it's been very sad.
[990.75] Curry: But I did order myself something.
[993.07] Curry: Oh, this is this is my big news.
[995.79] Curry: We have drum rolly thing ordered some nice now kit.
[999.99] Curry: Oh, oh, very good.
[1003.03] Curry: This was it was a bit of a flute, because what happened is someone from walks now contacted
[1008.91] Curry: me while I was on holiday said I'd love to work with you.
[1011.99] Curry: I said me too.
[1012.99] Curry: Well, it's actually Cadax because we rated Cadax very highly didn't we at the end of
[1018.35] Curry: the year?
[1019.51] Curry: I'd like to send you the HD kit, which was the VTX and the camera and I'm like, that's
[1027.71] Curry: fantastic.
[1029.11] Curry: I don't have any goggles.
[1030.11] Curry: Are you going to give me the goggles?
[1031.35] Curry: I'm like, no, can you not instill it on a car or something?
[1034.27] Curry: I can.
[1035.27] Curry: It's not going to work very well.
[1036.27] Curry: So I've got any goggles.
[1037.71] Curry: And so the the the app in short short story is they they didn't want to give me the goggles,
[1044.75] Curry: but they said we can give you 30% off the goggles or anything you want to order, which
[1049.23] Curry: I'm allowed to say.
[1051.27] Curry: And I was like, okay, but so I had stuff in my basket.
[1055.51] Curry: And that very same day, I just happened to go to YouTube.
[1057.63] Curry: And the first thing I saw was painless, talking about walks now V2.
[1061.23] Curry: Oh, and so what there's there's new ones, quick, empty the basket.
[1066.39] Curry: And so get that low light camera.
[1068.75] Curry: Yeah, what I managed to do is I've ordered the goggles and the basic V2 VTX with the
[1077.35] Curry: 32 gig thingy that works in gyro flow.
[1081.07] Curry: And they're sending me for free as the review thing, the low light camera.
[1085.87] Curry: So the pro version.
[1086.87] Curry: So I'll have two VTXs to play with, and some goggles.
[1090.19] Curry: I thought put one in a quad, put one in a plane, drive flight at night, if I can go
[1095.71] Curry: outside.
[1098.47] Curry: There have been some good days, but it's kind of been like, oh, I'm having to do something
[1103.71] Curry: or Pip has stolen the car and I can't go out.
[1106.75] Curry: It's because flying for me now is a bit of a palaver, it used to be the case that I could
[1110.51] Curry: walk 10 minutes down the road and have this like empty field.
[1114.39] Curry: And then they built houses there.
[1115.71] Curry: So now it's like load up the car, drive for half an hour, walk through the cows, decide
[1120.79] Curry: which field is less Cowie or less full of maize, and then try and fly there.
[1126.11] Curry: So it's it's needs planning now.
[1128.63] Koel: Yeah, that's what it's been like for me, living here in Toronto.
[1132.35] Koel: It's like, I can't fly anywhere unless I go for a half an hour drive.
[1136.75] Koel: So it's yeah, not fun.
[1139.75] Koel: Well, it's not that it's not fun, it's just it's a little bit more inconvenient.
[1145.51] Curry: Yeah, it just means it has to be a bit more planned previously, if like, if the forecast
[1149.51] Curry: is bad, and then it comes out good, I could quickly charge up a couple of batteries and
[1153.39] Curry: go out.
[1154.39] Curry: Nowadays, it's like, oh, the forecast looks good on Friday, I'm charging up some batteries,
[1158.03] Curry: and then it changes and it's rubbish.
[1159.31] Curry: And it's like, oh, that's another week, a week of non flying has gone.
[1164.55] Curry: And I've got this really, really tiny plane that I've been sent, which is so tiny, it's
[1172.41] Curry: this big.
[1173.41] Curry: And if you know, Caroline tells me she's flown something similar in about 10 miles now.
[1179.93] Curry: That's an issue one.
[1180.93] Curry: It's got this little, little auto scene, which looks quite a good fun, but beyond about Caroline
[1187.97] Curry: says 10 miles now in the manual, it says five to seven.
[1191.57] Stephen: That's the one with the very easily detachable propeller, so you don't chew up the gears,
[1196.81] Jack: that's amazing.
[1199.41] Curry: They look good fun.
[1200.41] Curry: And it's, I've played with it at home and you know, you flick it on and you do this
[1203.89] Curry: and the little all the surfaces go.
[1206.73] Curry: And yeah, they look good.
[1207.93] Curry: But I don't think I've ever been to that field.
[1211.09] Curry: And it's been as low as seven miles now, which is right on the coast.
[1214.49] Curry: So wind blows over.
[1215.53] Curry: So it might just have to be stress tested as long as it's not raining shopping cart.
[1221.49] Stephen: I think they're also made by Volantex it's because he sheen is just a rebrand for whatever's
[1226.01] Stephen: going cheap.
[1227.01] Stephen: Right.
[1228.01] Stephen: And so I think it was originally a Volantex thing.
[1230.21] Curry: And that's now so it could be yeah, there's there's a few around, but that looks fun.
[1235.25] Curry: And I've got one of the new zode planes coming, was it called the zode drift, a dark drift.
[1243.65] Curry: Something it's, it's come out before, but now it's colored in black.
[1247.91] Curry: So I've got like loads to fly, but I need like a week of not crap weather.
[1254.53] Curry: And I'm just going to load the car up and sit in the field with the cows and have fun.
[1258.85] Curry: So I'm fingers crossed that like I'm ordering this new kit on the basis that we will get
[1264.67] Curry: good weather.
[1266.17] Curry: And we look forward to it.
[1267.65] Curry: It's just it's so it's so much hassle trying to fly in between crap weather.
[1273.53] Curry: It's like it's just it's not fun going out in mud and rain and cold and just like you
[1282.69] Stephen: know, it's going to be like dash over, try and disconnect the lipo before it catches
[1287.93] Stephen: fire.
[1288.93] Stephen: Yeah, clean the mud out of everything.
[1291.49] Curry: When I went out for fun and flew that 450.
[1294.61] Curry: And I forgot what happened to it.
[1296.17] Curry: But basically, the camera disconnected and I had to bring it down in the field.
[1300.21] Curry: That field was so muddy.
[1301.61] Curry: I almost like sank up to my knees in the mud trying to wade through it.
[1306.57] Curry: And hopefully, my brother in law didn't see me doing that making these huge footprints
[1310.71] Curry: through his through his field because it's like, that's my crops.
[1315.31] Curry: It's like, oops, the crops are probably screwed already.
[1320.07] Curry: Yeah, that's that was that's my thing as well.
[1322.71] Curry: Let's see.
[1323.71] Stephen: Hopefully, I was looking forward to the walks now camera.
[1328.47] Stephen: There's two that came out.
[1329.59] Stephen: So there's a V two micro 19 mil.
[1333.07] Stephen: And then there's a V two micro low light, which is I think marketed as a pro camera.
[1339.43] Stephen: And that's got a Sony star vis sensor basically works with very, very low light input and
[1347.25] Stephen: still renders a decent image or be it with a bunch of noise and that just looks perfect
[1353.03] Stephen: because one of the problems I had originally with walks now was big muddy blur in the UK
[1358.67] Stephen: with indistinct lighting through the autumn, it was just all the big smear.
[1362.89] Stephen: So I'm really hoping that that star vis sensor is going to pick up the contrast a bit more,
[1368.67] Curry: not just for nighttime, but for bad days to Yeah, yeah, I noticed that with the the
[1374.23] Curry: original footage people are getting and I sort of that the reason I decided to go for
[1378.51] Curry: this because it was still like, even with the discounts are still over like $500 worth
[1383.15] Curry: of stuff.
[1384.15] Curry: Thank you, patrons.
[1386.59] Curry: It's like, they're not currently the best clearly a DJI is doing better.
[1392.39] Curry: But I think they seem much more responsive to what people are telling them and what customers
[1398.51] Curry: want from them.
[1399.87] Curry: And hopefully they're going to continue to develop that.
[1402.03] Curry: I thought I think hc0 has got promise.
[1404.07] Curry: But because they're, they're really focused towards low latency, that's that's not really
[1409.19] Curry: my my bag, I'm just happy flying and having a good picture and I'm not too worried about
[1413.75] Curry: the latency from that point of view.
[1416.15] Stephen: Also you've got to ask what what is best?
[1418.61] Stephen: Is it to end up with the best footage after your flight?
[1422.61] Stephen: Or is it to have the best flying experience?
[1425.07] Stephen: I think DJI gives you the best footage after your flight, you've got probably the best
[1430.15] Stephen: stabilization because you can just flick a switch and have their inbuilt stabilization
[1434.39] Stephen: instead of trying to tune gyro flow off to the fact.
[1437.79] Stephen: And it's got more cinema kind of color grading and contrast to the camera.
[1442.39] Stephen: But when you're actually flying, if you look at a lot of the footage, that's going to give
[1447.15] Stephen: you a much darker image, it's going to give you a less contrasty detailed image.
[1451.03] Stephen: So that can be harder for flying.
[1453.19] Stephen: That can be a worse flying experience.
[1455.15] Stephen: Whereas I think walks now that they gave you a better experience when you're flying with
[1459.11] Stephen: a slightly sharpened image, and they brought out low light camera.
[1462.31] Stephen: So you're going to have an easier time even on overcast days or flying later.
[1468.58] Curry: So what do you think is best?
[1470.82] Curry: We cross things.
[1471.82] Curry: I just didn't want to have to like, oh, okay, you just need to sort this out by first hacking
[1475.3] Curry: the firmware off of it and putting something else on to make it work adequately sounds
[1479.66] Curry: like a bit of ball ache to me, so yeah, walks now one there.
[1484.86] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[1486.82] Stephen: And people post in there about the polar camera.
[1489.22] Stephen: That was good.
[1490.38] Stephen: But it looks like this, the cadex pro camera is going way beyond like, you thought about
[1498.54] Stephen: that the pro camera, the polar camera being good, well, compare that to kind of the sort
[1504.06] Stephen: of flying you'd be able to do on an analog or a tell, think about sort of light levels
[1508.7] Stephen: you can fly in with that, where you can just barely see the field in front of you and you
[1513.34] Stephen: put the goggles on and it's just like, oh, yeah, it's a little bit overcast.
[1517.14] Stephen: But off we go.
[1518.14] Stephen: You know, you can see
[1519.14] Curry: for my neighbors to look forward to me wandering around in the dark wearing goggles holding
[1524.26] Curry: up a quad.
[1525.26] Jack: Yeah, you know, walking through your, you know, that little side alley bit is very,
[1534.38] Curry: very dark.
[1535.38] Curry: That's so dark.
[1536.38] Jack: I remember that's the old curry kitten we know and love.
[1540.34] Curry: The olden days of walking around and having lots of cameras to test.
[1543.98] Jack: No, no good old days.
[1548.62] Jack: How was the mini thing that you got sent?
[1551.34] Curry: Oh, I was just flying in front of you guys.
[1554.46] Curry: It was all right, actually.
[1555.98] Curry: It's only a little toy quad, but it costs $15.
[1560.1] Curry: And as I was saying in my fun review, last week, I was paying that more than that for
[1566.26] Curry: a cocktail on the cruise.
[1568.62] Curry: And it's the first, I thought I'd check it out because A, it was so cheap and B, it had
[1573.06] Curry: a out hold, which actually works really well indoors.
[1576.22] Curry: So I could put it up, take my hands off and it would just sort of sit there.
[1580.94] Curry: So I think, I think there's various ways of getting into the hobby.
[1584.58] Curry: My preferred way would be, okay, you want to FPV, you should start out on a sim, get
[1589.3] Curry: yourself a radio, learn muscle memory, see how it is to fly, then get yourself a nice
[1593.22] Curry: five inch and tune it so it's nice and gentle and start taking it out that way.
[1599.64] Stephen: So the first thing people should do is to buy a hundred pound radio and learn to configure
[1604.18] Stephen: open TX and then plug it into a simulator and learn how to map all the channels as the
[1609.06] Stephen: first, literally the first thing people should do and then eventually be able to throttle
[1613.66] Stephen: up.
[1614.66] Curry: Well, I, I was always about, when people first started flying, there wasn't, there wasn't
[1620.54] Curry: as many sims about and it was a bit hard, but I was also, I was always saying, like,
[1625.74] Curry: learn how to fly acro, just tune it very gently and you'll be good because you'll, you'll
[1630.34] Curry: understand that you need to keep your fingers moving because I've seen people argue this
[1635.54] Curry: all the time.
[1636.94] Curry: People automatically started out in angle and stuff.
[1639.82] Curry: And as soon as they try flicking modes around, they get confused, they, they, they go back
[1645.62] Curry: to angle and then the angle fights you and even horizon fights you.
[1649.18] Curry: And I was like, an acro, an acro, yes.
[1652.9] Curry: So I am all about that.
[1654.14] Curry: But this, this is the very much like, if you really want to just dip your toe in or buy
[1658.62] Curry: something for your 10 year old, this allows you to fly around the house and not screw
[1664.56] Curry: things up too much.
[1666.66] Curry: It was, it was all right.
[1667.66] Curry: It was nice just to fly something through the house.
[1669.74] Curry: That's right.
[1670.74] Curry: I mean, I could, I could just go and get a quad out and fly it around the house, I suppose.
[1675.5] Curry: But half the time I've got other people in the house doing conference calls.
[1678.46] Stephen: Like one of those cine whoops and calmly fly it around the house, like even outside
[1686.22] Curry: a three inch cine whoop scares the bejesus out of me.
[1690.06] Curry: It's like you started 10 feet away from you and you just throw it all up and you're like,
[1694.9] Curry: Jesus, it's on top of me.
[1695.98] Curry: Where is it?
[1696.98] Stephen: I was still over there, but it's just no one ever takes the audio off the GoPro with those
[1700.7] Stephen: things.
[1701.7] Stephen: I swear.
[1702.7] Stephen: It's always something like a nice Foley track with like leaves rustling or the wind blowing
[1706.38] Stephen: and you're like, that's not, that's not the experience at all.
[1708.82] Curry: It's like, that's not it.
[1711.62] Curry: And then then you're like, oh, I wonder if it's going to come back on fire because it's
[1714.66] Curry: so hot with those little motors carrying all that, all that stuff.
[1718.58] Curry: And let's just put a GoPro 11 on it because that anyways, about four kilos.
[1722.14] Stephen: Take the battery off really quick because it's so hot.
[1726.18] Stephen: You just came to an entire like 1300 mile battery in like two minutes flat.
[1731.58] Stephen: It's going off boiling hot.
[1734.14] Curry: That's crazy.
[1735.74] Curry: I still, I still didn't understand that.
[1739.46] Curry: I mean, they were a bit of a fad at the time, but people bought them for the wrong reason.
[1744.9] Curry: I kept, because I reviewed a bunch of them and I kept saying, I don't quite understand
[1749.14] Curry: why they're here.
[1750.14] Curry: If you're buying one, you should be filming commercially and not wanting to hurt people.
[1755.58] Curry: Don't buy this because you think, oh, this is handy.
[1758.82] Stephen: It has stopped the props for our audio viewers, Jack showing a picture of someone walking
[1763.26] Stephen: around a football field and he's got the DJI Cadex polar, which is doing a fair job,
[1768.18] Stephen: but the Avatar HD pro next to it, you could see things like the pitch markings and stuff,
[1773.74] Stephen: which are visible on that.
[1775.06] Stephen: And they're not showing up on the polar, which is nice.
[1779.26] Stephen: It's it's going to be viable on the polar.
[1781.82] Stephen: And I've flown outside with that.
[1783.62] Stephen: You kind of, you can tell where the sky is because the horizon lines are visible, but
[1788.26] Stephen: it's a little bit scary when you get close to the ground because you can't figure out
[1792.14] Stephen: quite how close you are to that massive dark soup beneath you.
[1796.46] Stephen: Whereas I feel maybe a bit more comfortable flying, flying low with the HD pro.
[1801.62] Curry: You know, a camera's doing well when you put the goggles on and you can see more than your
[1806.98] Curry: naked eyes can see.
[1808.22] Curry: It's like, this is, this is impressive.
[1809.86] Curry: This is bringing light that you can't see.
[1813.74] Curry: Of course, it doesn't work in no light.
[1815.38] Curry: It works in low light.
[1816.38] Curry: So yeah, there's a limit to it, but the little light that's there will get amplified quite
[1821.18] Curry: a lot.
[1822.18] Curry: I mean, you can see that the walk snails noisier, but it's still giving you more detail, isn't
[1827.22] Stephen: it?
[1828.22] Stephen: Suffering a bunch from YouTube there as well.
[1829.54] Stephen: I can see there's a lot of blockiness, unfortunately.
[1832.34] Stephen: But yeah, the graffiti on the wall is a lot more readable than it is.
[1836.34] Koel: But you know, one thing that I wondered about it, though, is, is it that the camera is really
[1840.42] Koel: good or is it that the processing is really good?
[1843.26] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[1844.26] Koel: Because I don't I, I look like, you know, you see, you see, oh, it's so good in low
[1848.46] Koel: light, but it's it's just a noisy mess.
[1850.98] Koel: Well, I think they're just doing processing and they're just bumping up the ISO.
[1855.3] Stephen: They did make a big deal of the Sony sensor they specifically put into this model.
[1859.18] Stephen: Yeah, it was like, eighth of an inch starvis sensor or something.
[1863.1] Stephen: Yeah.
[1864.1] Curry: I mean, if it's purely ISO, then it gets really, really noisy.
[1868.34] Curry: So it's a combination of I'm sure, as you're saying, Cole, there's a certain amount of
[1871.98] Curry: processing going on, but the sensor is more sensitive and can pick up.
[1876.14] Jack: The biggest part is it looks it looks different just on my screens alone, because I've got
[1889.3] Jack: two screens and I'm sending one to the stream.
[1895.02] Jack: It looks different.
[1896.02] Koel: Even that's probably it might be your monitor calibration.
[1901.5] Stephen: As with everything visual, your mileage may vary.
[1905.14] Stephen: You know, you've got to try it firsthand.
[1907.78] Curry: You can see the poll is slightly wider.
[1910.18] Curry: Can't you?
[1911.18] Curry: There's a different lens, perhaps.
[1913.78] Curry: Yeah.
[1914.78] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1915.78] Jack: It's both pretty usable.
[1918.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[1919.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[1920.14] Koel: Yeah.
[1921.14] Koel: Well, and like you said, like, you're not going to fly and know there's almost no point.
[1929.22] Jack: Thank you, Caroline, for sharing that.
[1932.1] Stephen: There might be something where you could put some nice bright LEDs on the drone and,
[1936.58] Stephen: you know, actually have a decent flying experience, which is I've still got some that was given
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[1971.3] Jack: Does anyone remember the like, you know, big massive torch thing that had like a spotlight?
[1980.94] Stephen: I think torches work less well because you end up just with a circle of ability and you
[1985.7] Stephen: don't know what's outside the circle until you move.
[1989.98] Jack: There was like the like I infrared I. Oh yeah, people used to take the IR filters off, didn't
[1998.22] Stephen: they?
[1999.22] Stephen: And then put I LEDs on.
[2000.22] Stephen: Yeah.
[2001.22] Stephen: Yeah.
[2002.22] Stephen: I think it's a bit easier when your altitude as well.
[2003.74] Stephen: Like if you're in a plane or a quad high up, it's, it's not too much of an issue flying
[2008.02] Stephen: at night.
[2009.02] Curry: No.
[2010.02] Curry: Landing's interesting though.
[2011.62] Koel: Yeah.
[2012.62] Curry: I remember my, my one proper night flight I had and it was the case of, uh, I was, I
[2017.5] Curry: was in a big slur and I was chasing my other friend and we were sort of out a distance.
[2022.3] Curry: When I was coming into land, my friend could see the LEDs I had on the wings and I'm coming
[2027.78] Curry: and I was like, is it all right?
[2028.98] Curry: Yeah.
[2029.98] Curry: He goes, keep coming, keep coming.
[2030.98] Curry: And then he suddenly shouted pull up because all he saw is my, my lights disappear and
[2036.82] Curry: then worked out that I must be behind a tree that was just about a hit.
[2039.78] Curry: So we had to suddenly pull up and then get over the tree.
[2042.66] Curry: And then I had no idea that we were coming towards it was very dark indeed.
[2047.54] Curry: Terrifying.
[2048.54] Curry: Yeah.
[2049.54] Curry: It was interesting.
[2050.54] Curry: All the same.
[2051.54] Stephen: Oh, I noticed for people running max that a trip simulator has just added max support.
[2059.3] Stephen: So another one.
[2060.3] Curry: Oh, I thought that was, I thought that was, um, uncrashed had just added Mac as, as trip
[2065.94] Curry: done it as well.
[2066.94] Curry: Trip has as well.
[2067.94] Curry: I think.
[2069.5] Stephen: I've got a little new, oh, uncrashed Mac OS.
[2072.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[2073.42] Stephen: I think cause trip, uh, released that snow map and they had max support with that snow
[2077.34] Stephen: map.
[2078.34] Stephen: And yeah, it looks like uncrashed has as well.
[2081.66] Stephen: Or am I getting confused and I've mixed, no, no, there is a new map that they've both released
[2086.26] Stephen: new maps with, uh, with uncrashed.
[2089.5] Stephen: We've got a stadium at animated monster trucks, which sounds really cool.
[2093.22] Stephen: Actually, it sounds like a lot of things.
[2095.38] Stephen: And then there's some snow level on, um, on trip.
[2099.18] Stephen: I haven't tried it out yet because you've got both, haven't you?
[2101.94] Stephen: Yeah, I do have both.
[2102.94] Stephen: They're sitting there in steam and, uh, they've just updated themselves.
[2106.26] Stephen: So I will have to give it a go.
[2108.86] Stephen: I'm just looking at steam and it's downloaded a bunch of updates.
[2111.9] Koel: Yeah, I haven't, I haven't had a chance to fly since, um, since I was in Taiwan.
[2117.5] Koel: That was the last time I flew.
[2118.5] Koel: It was in January.
[2119.58] Koel: So it's, it's been a while.
[2121.98] Koel: I'm sorry.
[2123.98] Curry: I was just going to say you did a lot of flying.
[2125.74] Curry: I think you've had your, your allocation for the year.
[2129.1] Curry: That's your quarter.
[2130.3] Koel: Yeah.
[2130.94] Koel: Oh, we got Marcel off access.
[2132.74] Koel: Always stoked to see a Canadian on the panel.
[2134.78] Koel: Hey, local Canadian.
[2136.02] Koel: How's it going, man?
[2137.3] Koel: We got some Canadian viewers.
[2138.78] Koel: Awesome.
[2139.86] Koel: I think he said he was from Vancouver earlier.
[2142.5] Koel: Um, so he was flying on the West coast, which is nice.
[2146.22] Curry: Sweet.
[2147.34] Curry: It's definitely nice in Toronto.
[2148.74] Curry: You've got to say that.
[2149.58] Curry: Yeah.
[2149.98] Koel: No.
[2150.62] Koel: Oh, oh, oh, oh, Vancouver is actually in Toronto.
[2152.5] Koel: Yes.
[2152.78] Koel: Yes.
[2153.18] Koel: You're absolutely right.
[2154.38] Koel: No, Toronto is.
[2156.14] Koel: Yeah.
[2157.58] Koel: Cole's saying that because they have better weed anymore.
[2163.66] Koel: Very often it's legal to do what you want.
[2170.82] Stephen: I've got to go to Canada sometime.
[2172.46] Stephen: I've always got sent over to the US on work trips and, uh, never to Canada.
[2177.22] Stephen: I've seen enough for the US to last a lifetime, I think.
[2180.18] Jack: Yeah.
[2181.22] Jack: I found it.
[2183.06] Jack: There was a guy selling these, the IR.
[2188.78] Jack: Uh, yeah.
[2191.3] Jack: And I'm hoping there's no link testing out the CL CJL tech.
[2203.32] Jack: I am familiar.
[2204.56] Stephen: Someone was making us think about this IR specific camera.
[2209.88] Curry: Isn't it the night eagle too?
[2211.8] Curry: Simple as that.
[2213.2] Curry: The run cam one.
[2215.04] Jack: No, it's that black box.
[2217.8] Curry: Oh, it's the module that goes into the GoPro seven.
[2221.84] Curry: Oh, I see.
[2223.72] Jack: Interesting.
[2225.52] Jack: I'm just trying to see, uh, here we go.
[2229.0] Stephen: I found, I found the CLJ tech.
[2234.16] Stephen: Yeah.
[2235.0] Jack: There you go.
[2235.88] Jack: There was this guy.
[2237.04] Jack: Yeah.
[2237.44] Jack: And then I had like IR LEDs.
[2240.52] Stephen: The IR plus provides an extremely bright infrared flood light with an
[2244.96] Stephen: even wider angle spread of light.
[2247.12] Stephen: Perfect for use with action cameras.
[2251.07] Curry: It strikes me that does it work though?
[2253.99] Curry: Cause it's like, can you project IR light that far?
[2258.95] Stephen: Not usually.
[2260.07] Stephen: No.
[2260.35] Stephen: I mean, yeah, you can see here.
[2261.79] Stephen: There's kind of halo effect.
[2263.51] Stephen: He's got maybe five, 10 meters in front of the quad and trees are just
[2268.47] Stephen: appearing out of the darkness in an alarming way.
[2271.31] Stephen: He's racing, but he's able to do that.
[2273.15] Stephen: Cause he set up a bunch of bright gates to aim for.
[2275.51] Jack: Here we go.
[2277.79] Jack: We got some, I think if he would be stuck.
[2283.51] Curry: I'd like to see it in without the gates.
[2285.39] Curry: Cause this is this, this is the idea of this is works in pitch black
[2288.27] Curry: cause it's providing its own light source.
[2290.79] Curry: It's putting out IR lights with an IR sensitive camera.
[2293.23] Curry: So therefore let's see what it can do.
[2296.75] Jack: This was like back in the day.
[2299.95] Jack: Not equal to, but yeah, very, very interesting.
[2306.78] Jack: It's the product I remember.
[2310.18] Koel: So I got a, I got a quick question for everybody since I'm in the
[2312.58] Koel: middle of doing a build, do you guys get super irritated during a build
[2316.74] Koel: and how finicky everything is?
[2318.38] Koel: Or are you just like, it's fine or what's your guys' opinion on, on builds?
[2325.06] Curry: I don't like building that much.
[2327.86] Curry: And I find it kind of annoying.
[2329.38] Curry: So what I do, I set myself little, little micro goals.
[2332.74] Curry: Like I'm going to do this bit, like this session and the next bit, that session
[2337.74] Curry: and do little chunks at time rather than just sit down and try and do everything.
[2343.18] Curry: Cause, uh, I don't like it.
[2345.06] Curry: Yeah.
[2345.98] Curry: I know it starts out very, very tidy and becomes increasingly bad as I go.
[2351.22] Curry: Yeah.
[2351.42] Koel: The more, yeah, the more you, the more time you spend at once, the worse
[2354.62] Koel: you're, you know, you're just like, Oh, we want to get this over with, right?
[2358.34] Koel: Yeah.
[2358.42] Jack: You, you get, you, you get project fatigue.
[2361.86] Jack: Yeah.
[2362.78] Jack: Yeah.
[2363.54] Jack: You know, and I kind of get round that by, um, yeah, like just doing certain
[2371.66] Jack: bits when I feel up to it, because I've also got the whole thing of, I get.
[2378.38] Jack: Disturbed quite easily when I'm in the middle of stuff from going to the toilet.
[2384.5] Jack: All the time.
[2385.58] Jack: Oh, I have to have quite a good memory on how stuff goes back together or where I
[2392.98] Jack: exactly was, I take a while to G myself up and get in the mindset for it.
[2398.38] Stephen: But once I start, I tend to sit for like six or eight hours and
[2402.22] Stephen: just make everything perfect.
[2404.62] Stephen: And Marcel say, like, tape the motor wire down, cut the motor wire to length, get
[2409.98] Stephen: all the ESC stuff done to start with test the ESC, flush the ESC.
[2414.38] Stephen: And then get the FC on there, get the FC up and running and start putting
[2419.62] Stephen: peripherals on it and usually get the receiver on there first and then the
[2422.9] Stephen: VTX and then I'll add GPS at the end.
[2425.5] Stephen: Yeah.
[2426.5] Koel: That's about it.
[2427.34] Jack: Well, you haven't got to do it all in one.
[2429.18] Koel: What I did with this one is I put the frame together, I think maybe like a
[2432.18] Koel: couple of weeks ago, I like put the camera in just cause I thought, okay,
[2436.74] Koel: whatever, it's easy to just chuck it in with the plates.
[2439.78] Koel: And then if the plate stays stuck, I always hate turning upside down.
[2443.38] Stephen: The camera just falls out.
[2445.78] Stephen: Yeah.
[2446.3] Koel: I don't have that issue, which is kind of nice.
[2448.1] Jack: That's, that's what, I think that's what happened to me on when I went out and
[2453.22] Jack: flew, we used to even went to fly that success and obviously the camera had
[2459.14] Jack: come, you know, fallen out and unplugged itself just enough to not work.
[2464.82] Jack: Yeah.
[2465.54] Stephen: Especially with the digital systems where the camera's always like plugged
[2468.9] Stephen: in with the most fragile wire.
[2470.62] Stephen: I always get worried about that.
[2472.3] Stephen: And I'm like, I'm going to put it in last.
[2474.18] Stephen: And then I have to manage to get that fragile wire strung between the front
[2480.62] Stephen: of the quad through the flight stack into the back.
[2483.42] Stephen: So I often end up like, Oh God, right.
[2485.82] Stephen: I'm just going to take the AC and everything off and then run the wire
[2489.62] Stephen: under the ESC where it can take the shortest path between the VTX and the
[2493.3] Stephen: camera, so I've got a bit of slack for moving the camera.
[2496.58] Stephen: I have completely dismantled quads after the, hello, you're good at reading.
[2501.46] Jack: I'm so sorry, Stephen.
[2503.66] Jack: Also off-axis FPV says, I love building as long as I have time to plan it out
[2508.38] Curry: and buy the right part, the right parts, dry fitting the parts is super key.
[2512.58] Stephen: One cell percent, that is getting them out of the box, put them on the frame.
[2517.14] Stephen: Look at them.
[2517.82] Stephen: Think is that going to reach?
[2520.42] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[2520.86] Stephen: And that point order any extra connectors and cables, if it's not going to work
[2526.18] Stephen: like with the DJI stuff, they supplied a 12 centimeter cable and there are some
[2531.5] Stephen: frames where you need a 13 centimeter cable and so you had to like unplug that
[2537.5] Stephen: 12 one and there was a 14 centimeter one you could order and that was just perfect.
[2541.38] Stephen: But you would be screwed if you waited till the last possible moment.
[2545.3] Stephen: Yeah, I ran into that yesterday.
[2546.78] Koel: I was putting the XT 60 on my ESC and I was like, oh yeah, this is perfect.
[2550.5] Koel: It'll be great.
[2551.14] Koel: And then I just, I trimmed it like a centimeter, like not even a centimeter,
[2556.06] Koel: like half a centimeter too short on the one on the positive lead.
[2560.06] Koel: I was like, Oh, I have to like, I had to remake the XT 60 lead or the positive lead.
[2566.7] Koel: I had to, you know, find some wire, scrap it and put it all together and he harvested
[2573.06] Koel: a balance.
[2573.66] UNKNOWN: Yeah, I heard that.
[2575.1] Jack: He harvested a balance.
[2576.3] Jack: Yeah, I harvested some.
[2577.3] Jack: So he's like committed.
[2578.66] Koel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2581.58] Koel: Got to do what you got to do.
[2584.26] Jack: Steven, do you want to read this one out?
[2586.42] Stephen: I was just going to say, speaking of hacking, I, I decided to do a little project work here.
[2593.78] Stephen: Let's just solo me.
[2594.62] Stephen: Yeah.
[2595.22] Stephen: So I, I've been messing around with headphones and I decided to make these old
[2599.7] Stephen: grados, uh, pluggable.
[2601.26] Stephen: So I put like a 2.5 mil jack in each side.
[2604.62] Stephen: That's been my latest little, little doodah.
[2608.5] Stephen: Yeah.
[2609.42] Stephen: So I have to be doing soldering, but just not FPV stuff.
[2613.1] Stephen: Right.
[2613.46] Stephen: So Brandon beans, I set aside one or two days for customer builds and about
[2619.18] Stephen: one to two weeks for my own builds.
[2621.34] Stephen: I'm really finicky when it's for me.
[2623.02] Stephen: And I just repeat what I've done for others pretty much.
[2626.1] Stephen: If you know, it works, then why bother questioning yourself?
[2629.78] Stephen: Right.
[2630.66] Stephen: Numskull FPV.
[2632.46] Stephen: I had to resold as someone's first quad build the other week and they were amazed
[2636.42] Stephen: at how shiny and clean my balls were.
[2640.18] Stephen: Yeah, you are.
[2642.22] Curry: And how was your soldering?
[2645.58] Curry: Yeah.
[2648.9] Stephen: Lots of flux.
[2650.34] Stephen: Lots of flux is key.
[2652.46] Curry: Yeah.
[2652.94] Curry: I may have some bills coming up.
[2654.3] Curry: One of my, um, one of my old flying friends is reducing his fleet somewhat.
[2659.06] Curry: So he's asked me if I want a bunch of his stuff.
[2661.42] Curry: So amongst that is a skipper, which is a plane that, um, it's a wing.
[2667.46] Curry: You can take off from the water, but he's also got his old tricopter there.
[2671.3] Curry: And I was wondering, Oh, should I convert my tricopter and try to see what happens
[2675.54] Curry: when you put modern stuff on it?
[2677.06] Curry: But it's got too many, too many important memories.
[2679.62] Curry: It's too nostalgic.
[2681.46] Curry: So I thought, Oh, I can just use his.
[2683.82] Curry: When he, when he gives that to me and see what happens if we put like tri-fly on it
[2688.14] Curry: and a digital servo and other stuff, will it, will it fly?
[2692.26] Curry: Will it still fly?
[2693.1] Curry: Nice.
[2693.54] Curry: Or is the whole tricopter thing?
[2695.86] Curry: Just see the old rose tinted spectacles.
[2699.26] Jack: I spoke to David and I said, like, you know, do I need to, yeah.
[2707.14] Jack: And, um, you know, I was like, do I need to stick the road in on or whatever?
[2712.22] Jack: And he was just like, just stick normal beat of flight.
[2714.38] Jack: It flies so much better than any.
[2716.38] Jack: So apparently tri-fly isn't a thing.
[2719.58] Stephen: Oh, that's the tricopter, tricopter mixer works just fine.
[2724.22] Stephen: Just enable the extra servo.
[2727.74] Jack: I think with the breaking and everything and the notch and with a standard
[2736.38] Stephen: PID controller rather than like three different experimental options for PID
[2739.9] Stephen: controllers that you had to try for yourself.
[2742.06] Curry: Yeah.
[2743.82] Curry: That'd be interesting because we're still talking about 10 inch props,
[2746.38] Curry: which beat of flight usually isn't particularly great on.
[2750.26] Stephen: People are flying cine lifters on those with like 10 kilo cameras.
[2753.9] Stephen: So it can do 10 inch props.
[2756.46] Stephen: Yeah.
[2757.74] Stephen: Yeah.
[2758.42] Stephen: You see, it's very much built around 5 inches, isn't it?
[2760.9] Stephen: People are flying those big Hollywood like proper 4K and 6K cameras that
[2766.06] Stephen: weigh a couple of kilos at least.
[2767.94] Stephen: And some people adding like a full gimbal arm on that as well.
[2772.26] Stephen: So yeah, it could do it.
[2774.14] Stephen: It's just going to be outside of the normal five inch tuning envelope.
[2777.78] Stephen: So be prepared to scratch your head and think about things for a little while.
[2782.14] Stephen: Oh, I don't like thinking about things.
[2785.66] Curry: Oh, it's my brain.
[2786.82] Curry: It's too old.
[2788.14] Curry: Yeah.
[2788.86] Curry: Well, just run emu flight then you should be fine.
[2793.14] Curry: I haven't, I haven't tuned anything in beta flight for like years and
[2797.22] Curry: it's all changed and it's got these funny filters.
[2800.3] Jack: Yeah.
[2800.74] Jack: I think for Curry as well is that, you know, like the, it's surprising
[2806.26] Jack: what an adaptive filter and breaking ESCs do.
[2811.18] Jack: If you're still flying it with the old ESCs, then yeah.
[2816.34] Curry: We've got to take the ESCs away.
[2818.18] Curry: We're still going to fly it with DT 750s because it's a dry copter and
[2823.54] Curry: it's going to have wooden arms, but we'll update modern ESCs that can run D shot.
[2828.98] Curry: We'll put an up-to-date flight control on it.
[2832.1] Curry: Um, and yeah, we'll see what happens.
[2834.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[2835.02] Stephen: Get RPM filtering into the mix.
[2836.78] Stephen: So you've got that adaptive filters, your flight control knows how
[2840.9] Stephen: fast the props are spinning.
[2842.34] Stephen: It can cut out all those resonant peaks from the resonance of the motor spinning.
[2848.62] Stephen: It's much better.
[2851.74] Curry: We'll see.
[2852.38] Curry: Anyway, I've got, I've got to collect all this stuff.
[2854.66] Stephen: There's, there's less to it than when you started out.
[2856.94] Stephen: It's just in different places.
[2859.26] Curry: So it's all filtering instead of pits.
[2861.5] Curry: Pits was easy.
[2862.14] Curry: It's just like change that one, change that one, do that one.
[2865.5] Stephen: The filters are pretty straightforward.
[2866.94] Stephen: You start out with your pits at default, turn down feed forward, turn down your D
[2872.7] Stephen: max, so everything is just predictable.
[2875.54] Stephen: And then you just start cranking up the filters until it misbehaves
[2879.18] Stephen: and then back it off a notch.
[2881.38] Curry: That's it.
[2882.5] Curry: There's still room for auto tuning.
[2886.1] Curry: Will it ever come back?
[2886.9] Curry: Was auto tuning and clean flight that once?
[2889.5] Jack: Yeah.
[2890.02] Jack: And it was shocking.
[2891.58] Curry: It was amazing.
[2892.78] Curry: I used to, I remember, I think I've got a video about it and you put it up there
[2896.7] Curry: and you hit tune and the quarter goes and it goes that and it goes that and it does
[2901.82] Curry: this for a while and then it drifts away down the field and then you've got to get
[2908.86] Curry: it back to do this.
[2910.9] Curry: I was just going to say, I managed to get it done where it did the forward-back
[2916.98] Curry: with stuff and then it's like, okay, I'm going to save the pigeon and I'm going to
[2920.54] Curry: fly it and it flew like a bag of it's like worse than the defaults.
[2925.18] Curry: It was, it actually detuned itself so badly.
[2928.86] Curry: What was your thing, Jack?
[2930.9] Jack: Mine shook violently and then just took up and then flipped over and then just sucked
[2938.58] Jack: itself into the ground and smashed.
[2941.86] Jack: That's the risk.
[2943.46] Stephen: But by saying auto tune, you're automatically telling people to stop thinking and that's
[2948.82] Stephen: a dangerous request to make when people have got like potentially damaging electronics
[2954.5] Stephen: to play with.
[2955.46] Stephen: You want to get the brain fully engaged before you do that.
[2958.1] Curry: I'm not saying stop thinking.
[2959.3] Curry: I'm just saying some of this stuff should be automated because it knows, it kind of
[2965.82] Curry: weird.
[2966.26] Curry: I'm shaking.
[2967.1] Curry: I should, I should do something about that.
[2968.98] Curry: What should I do?
[2969.62] Stephen: I think that's kind of the idealist take on it because the reality is you end up with
[2974.74] Stephen: people who instead of actually learning how to build something, watching some videos and
[2979.3] Stephen: doing it properly, just throw together any bag of crap and then hit the auto tune button
[2984.34] Stephen: and then complain when they like chop the end off their finger or something.
[2988.5] Curry: Well, it works for singing.
[2989.86] Curry: You just hit auto tune.
[2990.94] Curry: It's all fine.
[2991.66] Curry: So it can work for quad design.
[2993.58] Curry: Yeah.
[2994.42] Koel: So speaking of auto tune.
[2996.34] Koel: So on camera gimbals, like there's a DJI camera gimbal and basically it has an auto
[3003.38] Koel: tune feature, but yeah, when you use that feature, it, it sucks.
[3007.22] Koel: Like the gimbal is not, it doesn't look like it's floating afterwards.
[3010.54] Koel: You have to manually do it.
[3012.22] Stephen: Like, and they know that gimbal, that's a single model that they've had in their labs
[3017.7] Stephen: and they've made sure the auto tune works on it.
[3020.26] Stephen: If you put auto tune on some random bag of bits that someone's bought off Bangor.
[3024.34] Stephen: Yeah.
[3026.5] Curry: Here's, here's what I miss.
[3027.62] Curry: And when you guys did the last bit of the comparing brands, when I had to leave early
[3033.86] Curry: and I'm just about to leave early again, one thing you missed off when you talked
[3038.06] Curry: about immersion RC was the range of vortex copters and their pre-tunes that
[3044.14] Curry: they put in there were so perfectly done.
[3047.06] Curry: Um, obviously, you know, more people are building them than making, uh, RTFs, but
[3052.98] Curry: there, there's a real spot for people to have an RTF, which is just tuned perfectly
[3058.94] Curry: out of the box and has a couple of alternate tunings for people.
[3062.9] Curry: That would be amazing.
[3064.78] Stephen: This looks like a really, you know, if you look at the big names, uh, which would be
[3070.82] Stephen: in this day and age, I guess, Diatone, iFlight, iFlight pretty much nailing it
[3076.78] Stephen: time and time again for bind and flies.
[3079.06] Stephen: Now you can go and get the iFlight commander radio.
[3082.06] Stephen: You can buy the iFlight bind and fly and you're there, right?
[3086.42] Stephen: You need your goggles.
[3087.14] Curry: They're doing well.
[3088.06] Curry: Holy bro do very well.
[3089.54] Curry: iFlight do very well.
[3090.66] Curry: Just nothing was quite tuned.
[3092.3] Curry: I mean, it was celebrity tuning.
[3094.22] Curry: You had the final glide Oz tuned and that was, that was exceptional.
[3098.94] Curry: That, that quarter was really good.
[3100.7] Curry: I still, I still like that the Mojo 230.
[3103.62] Curry: I've got around anyway.
[3104.7] Curry: I've got it.
[3105.1] Curry: I've got to get off my last week of disappearing early.
[3107.94] Curry: I'll leave you guys to finish off.
[3110.3] Jack: It's lovely to have you back.
[3112.34] Curry: Thank you.
[3114.06] Stephen: Good to see you, man.
[3115.26] Jack: Sorry for the kick out.
[3116.66] Stephen: So we've had some people talking about WTF OS in the chat of Brandon
[3120.78] Stephen: beans and, uh, numbs and others.
[3123.78] Stephen: And so for those who are not in the know, if you've had DJI for a couple of years,
[3129.1] Stephen: you've probably had to deal with this because DJI kind of stopped bothering to
[3133.62] Stephen: even kick the can down the road on their FPV system before Oh, three came out.
[3138.06] Stephen: And so if you wanted anything done, you, you needed to use this WTF OS.
[3142.34] Stephen: Um, and that was a system that shortcutted a lot of the hacking and rooting
[3148.02] Stephen: and updating that you could do on the DJI system.
[3151.7] Stephen: And it did it through the chromium browser.
[3154.94] Stephen: So anything that's Chrome based, whether it's Chrome itself or edge.
[3159.06] Stephen: They've got the same browser guts and everything except the iPad and
[3163.46] Stephen: iPhone versions of those products.
[3165.78] Stephen: It works.
[3167.14] Stephen: You plug in via USB and just the same as if you use ERC configurator.com connect.
[3175.38] Stephen: It's going to say I've detected a thing.
[3177.14] Stephen: You pair it and off it goes.
[3179.26] Stephen: There's a big root button.
[3181.3] Stephen: It tells you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, done.
[3184.22] Stephen: And then you install WTF OS, which goes blah, blah, blah, blah done.
[3188.26] Stephen: And then you've got the option to install a whole load of little packages,
[3190.86] Stephen: which give you things like the HD OSD gives you automatic, um, recording
[3196.38] Stephen: and some overrides for bit rate and other tweakables that you weren't
[3199.98] Stephen: able to get from DJI.
[3201.7] Stephen: Um, so, so that's the long and the short of it.
[3204.06] Stephen: And they've just updated this system last week.
[3206.98] Stephen: Uh, the update consists of moving some stuff that was advanced options that
[3212.06] Stephen: you had to go in and type command lines, moving those into the GUI and giving
[3216.18] Stephen: them nice friendly names, which pretty much puts a bow on the whole WTF OS body
[3221.78] Stephen: of work.
[3222.94] Stephen: So now it's super easy to go and do that.
[3226.18] Stephen: I think they've also got some OSD overlay stuff.
[3229.5] Stephen: So if you have your OSD recorded, um, you can take the DVR and you can
[3235.5] Stephen: lay that back on using an online tool processes, the video of you.
[3239.42] Stephen: So that's the deal.
[3240.9] Stephen: That's cool.
[3242.06] Jack: Do you chroma key the overlay out or is it doesn't chroma key it, it, so it, it
[3249.78] Stephen: gets the video and then it knows what commands were sent to the OSD display.
[3257.54] Stephen: And it just records that stream of OSD commands and then like replays them,
[3262.58] Stephen: creates the text and overlays it onto the video.
[3266.26] Stephen: Yeah.
[3266.7] Stephen: Nice.
[3268.62] Jack: That's pretty sophisticated.
[3270.14] Stephen: That's pretty sophisticated.
[3271.66] Stephen: It means that the files are editable and they're not gigantic.
[3275.86] Stephen: Yeah.
[3276.1] Jack: Tiny.
[3277.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[3278.62] Stephen: Yeah.
[3278.98] Stephen: So it's recommended.
[3281.18] Stephen: Oh yeah.
[3281.62] Stephen: I'd say if you're running anything but the O3 system, it's, it's essential.
[3286.66] Stephen: I really wouldn't try and fly it.
[3288.22] Stephen: And I wrote that beta flight hack to, to get extra data in the craft name field
[3294.22] Stephen: a while ago, but since WTF OS has been out there, I'm just using that instead.
[3299.46] Stephen: It gives you so much more.
[3300.9] Stephen: It looks so much nicer.
[3302.98] Stephen: You can swap around all the fonts and things and you can
[3306.3] Stephen: have fonts with colors in them.
[3308.34] Stephen: Just looks awesome.
[3309.3] Stephen: So, you know, when your battery is low, the indicator is going to go red
[3313.66] Stephen: and start pinging at you.
[3315.3] Stephen: It's, it's just great.
[3316.42] Koel: It's really useful.
[3320.55] Koel: I'm an old analog boy.
[3321.87] Koel: So, yeah.
[3324.67] Jack: Yeah.
[3324.91] Jack: Same here.
[3326.11] Jack: You've got Currys abandoned me to Caroline Tyler.
[3329.59] Stephen: It actually uses this web protocol called web USB.
[3333.75] Stephen: So that's part of the chromium Chrome underlying framework.
[3338.43] Stephen: So that's why it works.
[3341.03] Stephen: It's a, it's not windows specific.
[3342.83] Stephen: It's a Chrome API.
[3345.63] Stephen: Well, it's cool.
[3347.79] Koel: Yeah.
[3348.27] Jack: It's a happy little thing is, um, I believe the gives ultra
[3354.19] Stephen: connects to a web GUI.
[3358.67] Stephen: And as Caroline points out, it can generate over the video from the goggles,
[3363.47] Stephen: but you can overlay, um, onto the HD video as well, which is nice.
[3369.27] Stephen: That's cool.
[3370.11] Stephen: So if your video started recording and you're able to sync up to the
[3372.75] Stephen: start of the flight, then yeah.
[3374.79] Stephen: Put it on your GoPro.
[3376.79] Jack: I'm sure, yeah, I remember like, that's how Andy RC done it.
[3381.91] Jack: And so that's why I asked about the Chrome.
[3384.79] Stephen: I'm, uh, yeah, he did a little teaser ages ago, didn't he?
[3389.35] Stephen: But he was able to render that and then chroma keyed on it.
[3394.38] Stephen: It looks so much nicer than the native DJI stuff.
[3397.74] Stephen: And, um, with the oh three system, you get that functionality, but it's kind
[3402.74] Stephen: of, uh, not quite there yet where the text is gigantic and it's not as
[3410.06] Stephen: sophisticated as the version that's out with WTF OS.
[3414.26] Stephen: So even now, DJI is still trying to catch up.
[3418.74] Stephen: I'm pretty sure they will, but you know, we're waiting.
[3421.54] Jack: Right.
[3422.34] Jack: That by the looks of it is all we have time for.
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[3470.46] Jack: Uh, but we're live every Thursday from eight to nine PM UK time.
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[3481.18] Jack: So we will now be an hour earlier next week.
[3484.78] Jack: Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for guests, give us a shout.
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[3505.1] Jack: Yeah.
[3506.82] Jack: Um, you've been joined by everyone to over at my star Steven.
[3510.38] Jack: Cheers.
[3511.06] Jack: Bye bye.
[3512.38] Jack: Uh, everyone's favorite curry kitten who's left early.
[3515.54] Jack: Goodbye.
[3517.38] Jack: Everyone's favorite Canadian.
[3519.1] Jack: Carl, how's the soldering going?
[3521.5] Stephen: Call one last glimpse of that.
[3522.86] Koel: So, uh, see, uh, one last thing.
[3528.1] Stephen: One side down almost getting there.
[3530.1] Stephen: Look at those shiny balls.
[3531.7] Koel: Oh, my word.
[3534.22] Koel: There we go.
[3534.82] Koel: There's some shiny.
[3535.62] Stephen: Oh, my way.
[3536.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[3536.38] Stephen: You can really see the Shane on those balls.
[3537.94] Jack: Yeah, that's amazing.
[3539.06] Jack: Good work.
[3539.9] Jack: And I've been, I've been bright until I fly.
[3542.9] Jack: Thank you guys.
[3543.98] Jack: And good night.
[3546.1] Jack: See you guys next week.
[3548.54] Jack: See you next week.
[3549.42] Jack: Bye.