=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 398 ===
Title: LDO 398 - Inspire Me 3
Recorded: 2023-04-13
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,363
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z-vzGRqyzg); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1492658632-letsdroneout-ldo-398-inspire-me-3.mp3)
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[56.22] Jack: Today's Thursday
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[60.22] Jack: And tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite, Curry Kitten
[64.22] Jack: Hello
[66.22] Jack: The man with the mustache, Stephen
[68.22] Jack: Hello, good evening
[70.22] Jack: With a new screen
[72.22] Jack: So he's even more lit up than usual
[74.22] Jack: Yeah
[76.22] Jack: Look at my lovely shiny head
[79.22] Jack: And I am the typical Bright Until I Fly
[82.22] Jack: Hello Tailspin, hello Lurgy
[84.22] Jack: Hello Martian McFly
[86.22] Jack: Hello Richard Warwick
[88.22] Jack: And um Skull
[90.22] Jack: Thank you
[92.22] Jack: The lovely people that showed up
[94.22] Jack: Oh and Clive, hello
[96.22] Jack: Hello
[98.22] Jack: How you doing buddy
[100.22] Jack: So, something that I was not expecting to ever talk about
[106.22] Jack: Ever
[108.22] Jack: The Inspire 3 came out
[110.22] Curry: I saw that the video was on my list
[112.22] Curry: But I haven't watched it
[114.22] Curry: It looked a lot like the original Inspire 3
[116.22] Curry: Does it do anything different?
[118.22] Curry: Have you watched the videos?
[120.22] Jack: I haven't watched the videos
[122.22] Jack: But I looked
[124.22] Jack: Up what they can do
[126.22] Jack: And it's got some
[128.22] Jack: Really crazy
[130.22] Jack: Sort of obstacle
[132.22] Jack: Like you know follow
[134.22] Jack: The impedance plot
[136.22] Jack: So you can
[138.22] Jack: Set up
[140.22] Jack: A ridiculous route
[142.22] Jack: And just worry about getting the shot
[144.22] Jack: And operating the gimbal
[146.22] Jack: And uh
[148.22] Jack: Does look very impressive
[150.22] Jack: Nice
[152.22] Jack: How much is it?
[154.22] Jack: I don't know
[157.6] Jack: You tell me
[159.6] Jack: Inspire
[161.6] Jack: I just didn't think
[163.6] Jack: Like
[165.6] Curry: It's probably more than a couple of grand
[167.6] Curry: I would guess
[172.13] Jack: Uh
[174.13] Jack: I just wasn't expecting it really
[176.13] Jack: Like
[178.13] Jack: Because you know I was just like
[180.13] Curry: Okay
[182.13] Curry: Holy crap, AudioGecs were in 12k
[184.13] Curry: Caroline's written more than 15,000 dollars
[186.13] Curry: Is that real?
[188.13] Curry: That's quite pricey
[192.4] Curry: It's nice that they've
[194.4] Curry: 12k euros
[196.4] Curry: 12k in euros
[198.4] Curry: When you
[200.4] Curry: Buy enough bits to make it work
[202.4] Curry: It doesn't necessarily come with
[204.4] Curry: Oh Jesus Christ it's 13 grand
[206.4] Jack: Oh my God
[208.4] Jack: 13 grand
[213.09] Jack: Full frame
[215.09] Jack: We need
[217.09] Jack: We need coal
[219.09] Jack: On here because coal would
[221.09] Jack: Like
[223.09] Jack: You know be down for this
[225.09] Curry: The thing is with DJI
[227.09] Curry: Everyone knows they do nice
[229.09] Curry: Cinematography drones but
[231.09] Curry: I've seen like really impressive
[233.09] Curry: Stuff from like the Mini Free which is about
[235.09] Curry: 500 quid
[237.09] Curry: It's interesting though if this does things
[239.09] Curry: 26 times better
[241.09] Curry: I'm sure from a commercial
[243.09] Curry: Videographer's point of view and stuff
[245.09] Curry: Maybe it does but it seems
[247.09] Curry: A lot more, like a lot more
[249.09] Stephen: Like with Hi-Fi kit and stuff right
[251.09] Stephen: There's a difference between spending
[253.09] Stephen: Maybe 100 quid and 1,000
[255.09] Stephen: Pounds but the difference
[257.09] Stephen: Between spending like a grand
[259.09] Stephen: And 10 grand you really have to
[261.09] Stephen: Squint to see the difference
[263.09] Stephen: It becomes less
[265.09] Curry: And less
[267.09] Curry: Because it's still not I'm suggesting
[269.09] Curry: I don't know if this is true but when
[271.09] Curry: You're looking at the people doing the commercial
[273.09] Stephen: Stuff for movies
[275.09] Stephen: Yeah you still haven't got a proper camera
[277.09] Curry: They are carrying red epics aren't they
[279.09] Curry: Which is incredibly expensive things
[281.09] Curry: And it's got a proper lens
[283.09] Curry: Doesn't come up to that sort of stuff does it
[285.09] Curry: Generally
[287.09] Stephen: No I mean I'm sure it's great
[289.09] Stephen: For just you know get some footage
[291.09] Stephen: Put it in most stuff
[293.09] Stephen: But you're not going to be
[295.09] Stephen: Filming proper cinema
[297.09] Stephen: Content because you're not going to be
[299.09] Stephen: To get a proper lens on it and
[301.09] Stephen: Your director of photography is
[303.09] Stephen: Going to have an opinion about what lenses
[305.09] Stephen: You should use
[307.09] Curry: Well Caroline is saying 13.5 grand does not
[309.09] Curry: Include a camera Cole who's in the chat
[311.09] Curry: Why aren't you on the show?
[313.09] Curry: Cole tell us about this whole camera business
[315.09] Curry: It's a full frame 8k sensor so it's a game changer
[317.09] Jack: Please can we have you on
[320.59] Jack: Just on your phone
[322.59] Stephen: It would be amazing
[324.59] Stephen: What's the difference between this and
[326.59] Stephen: Just getting like a cinelefter
[328.59] Stephen: And putting a really expensive camera on it
[330.59] Stephen: What's the difference?
[332.59] Curry: You have to know vaguely what you're doing
[334.59] Stephen: Apart from the gimbal, say you have a cinelefter
[336.59] Stephen: With a gimbal
[338.59] Jack: That's that point tracking
[340.59] Jack: Waypoint
[342.59] Stephen: Program beautiful routes
[344.59] Stephen: Oh right so it's like having an
[346.59] Stephen: Automated dolly
[348.59] Stephen: Where you can tell it to run the same route
[350.59] Stephen: Again and again so if you screw up
[352.59] Stephen: The take you don't have to tell the pilot
[354.59] Stephen: To fly exactly that you can literally
[356.59] Stephen: Just press a button and it flies the same route
[358.59] Stephen: Thank god they're a Chinese company
[360.59] Stephen: Or if you're doing special
[362.59] Stephen: Effects shots I guess right because you'd have
[364.59] Stephen: A shot where it's just the background and
[366.59] Stephen: You could have a shot where
[368.59] Stephen: The actors are in it and you swap between the two
[370.59] Stephen: To make people appear or disappear from shot
[372.59] Curry: I mean the thing is that has to be exact
[374.59] Curry: When they're done with the great big
[376.59] Curry: Robots that are ultimately
[378.59] Curry: Perfectly reusable on like a
[380.59] Curry: Millimeter sort of scale
[382.59] Curry: This is not going to be quite that
[384.59] Curry: But for 13 grand I'm thinking like
[386.59] Curry: I want to be able to hold onto it
[388.59] Curry: And tap in a waypoint and it'd take me there
[390.59] Curry: That would seem more reasonable
[392.59] Curry: But this is
[394.59] Stephen: For 13 grand I really
[396.59] Stephen: Would probably want to be able to stay at home
[398.59] Stephen: And let that do the day's workout
[400.59] Stephen: In the crappy conditions instead of me having to go there
[402.59] Stephen: It's a lot of money isn't it?
[404.59] Stephen: I guess people in
[406.59] Stephen: Camera world spend that amount on
[408.59] Stephen: Cameras and lenses don't they
[410.59] Curry: It's always interesting when I see this
[412.59] Curry: Because they talk about how this
[414.59] Curry: Can be a two person camera
[416.59] Curry: One person control the drone, one person control
[418.59] Curry: The gimbal to get the shot
[420.59] Curry: But it strikes me like why aren't you putting
[422.59] Stephen: Two cameras on and a third person to actually
[424.59] Stephen: Control the camera right?
[426.59] Stephen: Yeah so you put one guy
[428.59] Curry: Needs to see where the drone's
[430.59] Curry: Going, one guy needs to steer
[432.59] Curry: The gimbal about and one guy can
[434.59] Curry: Act as focus puller or whatever
[436.59] Curry: But I don't think
[438.59] Curry: They've got a dual camera system
[440.59] Curry: You have to sort that out yourself
[442.59] Stephen: That last shot where someone's indoors
[444.59] Stephen: And they're jumping over tables
[446.59] Stephen: Why are you filming that with a quad?
[448.59] Stephen: Like it's two foot off the ground
[450.59] Curry: You'd only do it if you then had this dynamic
[452.59] Curry: Shot where you come outside and pull out
[454.59] Curry: For example
[456.59] Stephen: You could just stitch it though
[458.59] Curry: I don't know
[460.59] Koel: Hello Cole, hello guys can you hear me?
[462.59] Stephen: Hey we can, you're doing very well thanks Cole
[464.59] Koel: Sorry I'm not
[466.59] Koel: Sorry I'm not
[468.59] Stephen: So Cole as the resident camera nerd we're relying
[470.59] Stephen: On you to tell us why on earth people
[472.59] Stephen: Are spending stupid money
[474.59] Stephen: On this what looks to
[476.59] Stephen: Us the naive
[478.59] Stephen: Clueless people like an incremental
[480.59] Stephen: Upgrade
[482.59] Jack: I want to kill it with fire, I'm scared
[484.59] Koel: Okay so well here let's start
[486.59] Koel: Off here with, because I
[488.59] Koel: Heard you saying something about
[490.59] Koel: Why would you get this over say
[492.59] Koel: A cine lifter and toss a red
[494.59] Koel: On or something like that right?
[496.59] Stephen: So you've got a cine lifter with a gimbal
[498.59] Stephen: Not just a bare cine lifter
[500.59] Koel: So cine lifter
[502.59] Koel: Is going to be what?
[504.59] Koel: About maybe
[506.59] Koel: 8 to 10 grand guessing
[508.59] Koel: Maybe 5 to 10 grand
[510.59] Stephen: You could build a cine lifter for 2 grand
[512.59] Stephen: I think 8 to 10 seems a lot
[514.59] Stephen: 8 to 10 you'd have like the
[516.59] Stephen: Lamborghini and cine lifters
[518.59] Koel: Okay so let's say 2k for just
[520.59] Koel: The cine lifter, probably another
[522.59] Koel: Thousand or two for the gimbal
[524.59] Koel: If you want to put an
[526.59] Koel: Actual cine camera on not just
[528.59] Koel: The little red square
[530.59] Koel: Small one, you're looking at
[532.59] Koel: About minimum 50k
[534.59] Koel: Like the
[536.59] Koel: If you get a proper
[538.59] Koel: Zeiss
[540.59] Koel: Or ultra prime lens
[542.59] Koel: To go in there, you're looking at another
[544.59] Koel: 20 to 100k
[546.59] Koel: Just for lens
[548.59] Koel: So
[550.59] Koel: But is this a huge
[552.59] Stephen: Are you saying that most of the drone
[554.59] Stephen: Doesn't matter when you're spending over
[556.59] Stephen: $20,000 on a lens who gives a crap
[558.59] Stephen: And at least you've got a name brand
[560.59] Stephen: So everyone just writes it off
[562.59] Koel: The other thing too
[564.59] Koel: Is that, so
[566.59] Koel: In order to get
[568.59] Koel: The one big thing is the
[570.59] Koel: Sensor size because typically
[572.59] Koel: I'm not sure what's in the past
[574.59] Koel: Inspires but I don't really
[576.59] Koel: Know of any sort of ready to go
[578.59] Koel: Drones that have ever had a full frame sensor
[580.59] Koel: Full frame is like huge
[582.59] Koel: It's 35mm
[584.59] Koel: Sensor compared to like
[586.59] Koel: APS-C or super 35
[588.59] Koel: Which is typically in a lot of those red
[590.59] Koel: Cameras, so bigger the
[592.59] Koel: Sensor, more light comes in
[594.59] Koel: Potentially
[596.59] Koel: More light, you just have a bigger
[598.59] Koel: You know, a lot bigger photo
[600.59] Koel: I forgot the
[602.59] Koel: Specific term, but basically
[604.59] Koel: You know, you can
[606.59] Koel: Collect a lot more light with a full frame
[608.59] Koel: Sensor so you're going to get a lot better low light performance
[610.59] Koel: Plus
[612.59] Koel: It's also 8k and it can do up to 75
[614.59] Koel: FPS I guess
[616.59] Koel: So 8k
[618.59] Koel: Is crazy
[620.59] Koel: You know, high frame rate, so if you go lower
[622.59] Koel: Frame rate than 8k, or sorry if you go lower
[624.59] Koel: Resolution than 8k, you're probably
[626.59] Koel: Going to get
[628.59] Koel: 120 FPS or more
[630.59] Koel: And
[632.59] Koel: I think the other
[634.59] Koel: Thing too is, well I guess
[636.59] Koel: Depends if you're comparing it to a city lifter
[638.59] Koel: I mean, they're all going to do pro res
[640.59] Koel: Raw on stuff, which I'm thinking this one can probably
[642.59] Koel: Do as well
[644.59] Koel: But I don't know
[646.59] Koel: I mean, for the price it is
[648.59] Koel: Pretty good, I mean, you could get a red
[650.59] Koel: You could get a
[652.59] Koel: A gimbal, slap it on a
[654.59] Koel: City lifter, you know, with a decent lens
[656.59] Koel: And you'd still probably
[658.59] Koel: Be within the same ballpark, but this is a
[660.59] Koel: Lot easier to use, this is just
[662.59] Koel: Press a button, ready to go
[664.59] Koel: So is this what we used to
[666.59] Stephen: Talk about in IT is build
[668.59] Stephen: Versus buy, where if you build
[670.59] Stephen: It, sure you save money, but then you're
[672.59] Stephen: Responsible for fixing it and tuning it
[674.59] Stephen: And figuring out support
[676.59] Stephen: Whereas if you buy it, it's
[678.59] Stephen: Someone else's problem if it breaks
[680.59] Stephen: And it just works from day one, you don't
[682.59] Stephen: Have to, you know, disappear into a shed
[684.59] Stephen: For two months before you have something
[686.59] Koel: That's working
[688.59] Koel: Well, I personally think that
[690.59] Koel: In order to get high frame rate
[692.59] Koel: 8K full frame
[694.59] Koel: It's going to be way
[696.59] Koel: More expensive than buying this
[698.59] Koel: Um
[700.59] Koel: Like, to get a
[702.59] Koel: Red camera or another cinema
[704.59] Koel: Level camera that can shoot in high frame rate
[706.59] Koel: It's an 8K at full frame
[708.59] Koel: It's, you know
[710.59] Stephen: Is this really cinema ready, though?
[712.59] Stephen: Yeah, I guess I've always thought that
[714.59] Stephen: DJI camera kit was fairly
[716.59] Stephen: Kind of pro, maybe
[718.59] Stephen: Pro shooma, really? Is that going to fit
[720.59] Curry: Into a cinema workflow?
[722.59] Curry: That was my point of view, is this
[724.59] Curry: Compared to cinema, and my other
[726.59] Curry: Point of view was, if you're
[728.59] Curry: Filming like a movie, don't you already have
[730.59] Curry: Something like a red, that you can just say, oh
[732.59] Curry: We'll film this on a tripod
[734.59] Curry: Today and tomorrow, we'll stick it on the drone
[736.59] Curry: And that can do some shots
[738.59] Curry: And then we'll come back and do the F thing
[740.59] Curry: But it depends, if this
[742.59] Curry: Stacks up to the cinema
[744.59] Curry: Ready stuff, then I guess
[746.59] Curry: It's a different prospect, what do you think, Carl?
[748.59] Koel: No, uh
[750.59] Koel: Like, I don't know quite enough about
[752.59] Koel: This, I haven't done my full research on it yet
[754.59] Koel: But, I mean, based on the little bit of stuff
[756.59] Koel: I can see, I mean, it's got
[758.59] Koel: Like, I keep kind of repeating myself
[760.59] Koel: With a full frame sensor, like, that's
[762.59] Koel: That's kind of
[764.59] Koel: A big deal, and the fact
[766.59] Koel: That it also has dual native ISO
[768.59] Koel: Means, you know, it has really
[770.59] Koel: Really clean, high ISO levels
[772.59] Koel: Um
[774.59] Stephen: Can you swap your awesome
[776.59] Stephen: Lens collection onto it, or are you stuck with
[778.59] Stephen: The lens that DGI gives you here?
[780.59] Koel: So, it looks like here, it does
[782.59] Koel: Have a
[784.59] Koel: Swappable lens on it there
[786.59] Koel: Or a swappable lens mount
[788.59] Koel: So, it's this new, like, DL
[790.59] Koel: Mount, or something by DGI
[792.59] Koel: Um, they've got a
[794.59] Koel: Couple different lenses, and I'm sure there's gonna be adapters
[796.59] Koel: Where you can put any kind of lens on there
[798.59] Koel: Um
[800.59] Koel: Which most, you know, pretty much every mount
[802.59] Koel: Someone in China makes
[804.59] Koel: An adapter for a relatively
[806.59] Koel: affordable
[808.59] Koel: Um, you can put Canon, Sony,
[810.59] Koel: Zeiss, any sort of
[812.59] Koel: PL mount, cinema
[814.59] Koel: Stuff
[816.59] Koel: So, I think the big thing, though, is it really does
[818.59] Koel: You know, if there is some already
[820.59] Koel: It does do all the
[822.59] Koel: Cinema D and G, as well as
[824.59] Koel: Raw codecs and stuff, yeah
[826.59] Stephen: And
[828.59] Stephen: So, it's an 18mm, 24mm, 35mm,
[830.59] Koel: And 50mm
[832.59] Koel: So, it's fully, you know, set up
[834.59] Koel: And ready to go
[836.59] Koel: Um, like,
[838.59] Koel: I would say, like, inspires in the past
[840.59] Koel: I've still definitely been used a lot on
[842.59] Koel: Film sets, like, it's
[844.59] Koel: You know, it hasn't been
[846.59] Koel: Only reds, I mean, they do
[848.59] Koel: Use reds, and it depends on
[850.59] Koel: The director
[852.59] Koel: And what they want to use on sets and whatnot
[854.59] Koel: But, um
[856.59] Koel: I mean, man, like Curry was saying
[858.59] Koel: I mean, even
[860.59] Koel: Even the Mini 3 at $500
[862.59] Koel: Like, you'd be
[864.59] Koel: Pretty hard-pressed, if you
[866.59] Koel: Did a blind test to somebody
[868.59] Koel: And, you know,
[870.59] Koel: You had, say, top-end
[872.59] Koel: Red camera on a crazy cine lifter
[874.59] Koel: And you get a DJI Mini 3
[876.59] Koel: You know,
[878.59] Koel: In
[880.59] Koel: Very, very most situations
[882.59] Koel: No one's gonna be able to tell the difference
[884.59] Koel: Especially with a wide-angle lens
[886.59] Koel: I see all these guys in the FPD community
[888.59] Koel: They're like, oh, yeah, I'm building out my
[890.59] Koel: Cine rig and my cine lifter
[892.59] Koel: Oh, yeah, it's so epic, and look how
[894.59] Koel: Massive it is, da-da-da, and they're stopping on a
[896.59] Koel: Red and whatever, well, they're stopping
[898.59] Koel: On the widest lens that you can
[900.59] Koel: Um, and there's not a
[902.59] Koel: Like, to the naked eye and to the
[904.59] Koel: Untrained eye, no one's gonna
[906.59] Koel: Be able to tell the difference between that
[908.59] Koel: And the freaking GoPro 11
[910.59] Koel: Like, unless you're flying in
[912.59] Koel: You know, really testy situations
[914.59] Koel: Like lower light, or
[916.59] Koel: You know, super contrasty
[918.59] Koel: Sort of scenarios, but
[920.59] Koel: You know, like
[922.59] Koel: I think the right tool
[924.59] Koel: Or the right tool in the right hand
[926.59] Koel: Can produce results that are
[928.59] Koel: You know, something cheap you can
[930.59] Koel: Make look top quality
[932.59] Koel: It's about the right person
[934.59] Koel: With the right tool, right, so
[936.59] Stephen: Yeah, so it's also
[938.59] Stephen: Does it fit into the workflow?
[940.59] Stephen: If you've got certain formats
[942.59] Stephen: That people expect the camera to deliver
[944.59] Stephen: Can it just drop into that workflow
[946.59] Stephen: And start kicking out whatever formats they want
[948.59] Koel: Yep, yeah, for sure
[950.59] Koel: Yeah, I mean, if you're
[952.59] Koel: Talking about, like, the whole movie world
[954.59] Koel: And the cinema world, I mean, obviously
[956.59] Koel: They're using, like, you know, ARRI Alexa's
[958.59] Koel: And
[960.59] Koel: You know, the big
[962.59] Koel: Like, you know, the
[964.59] Koel: The kind of cameras that
[966.59] Koel: You know, the average Joe are
[968.59] Koel: Never gonna get their hands on, let alone see in real life
[970.59] Koel: So, um
[972.59] Koel: In the top
[974.59] Koel: World, I would say, yeah, they probably are still gonna
[976.59] Koel: Use cine lifters, but in the
[978.59] Koel: You know, maybe medium
[980.59] Koel: Or lower budget cinema stuff
[982.59] Koel: These things would be amazing
[984.59] Koel: And I wouldn't even be surprised if
[986.59] Koel: You know, if Hollywood was using
[988.59] Koel: These DJI-inspired theories
[990.59] Stephen: Will they be able to
[992.59] Stephen: In future?
[994.59] Koel: Yeah, that's a good question, I mean
[996.59] Koel: Depends on
[998.59] Koel: Politics, I guess, or
[1000.59] Koel: I know that within America recently
[1002.59] Koel: Or over the last little while
[1004.59] Koel: I think it was like
[1006.59] Koel: American government, nobody in the American
[1008.59] Koel: Government can use any
[1010.59] Koel: Chinese manufactured drones for any
[1012.59] Koel: You know, and they were talking
[1014.59] Stephen: About making it broader as well
[1016.59] Stephen: So south of the border
[1018.59] Stephen: People might have trouble actually
[1020.59] Stephen: Using this equipment now
[1022.59] Koel: Yeah
[1024.59] Koel: I guess it depends though
[1026.59] Koel: Because like, what
[1028.59] Koel: Isn't made in China?
[1030.59] Koel: What major camera or
[1032.59] Koel: Sensor or
[1034.59] Koel: You know, like
[1036.59] Koel: It's gonna be pretty tough
[1038.59] Koel: Some North American manufacturers
[1040.59] Stephen: You could be sourcing the components
[1042.59] Stephen: And ODMing them or OEMing
[1044.59] Stephen: Them to American vendors who
[1046.59] Stephen: Then brand it as an American product
[1048.59] Stephen: And you know, sell it as a United States
[1050.59] Stephen: Compatible thing, and that kind of
[1052.59] Stephen: Plays into the hand of little boutique vendors
[1054.59] Stephen: Building cine lifters, which is
[1056.59] Stephen: Nice, because everyone loves to see
[1058.59] Stephen: Little boutique shops doing well and
[1060.59] Stephen: Innovate, but at the same time
[1062.59] Stephen: This is clearly a juggernaut on people
[1064.59] Stephen: Would want to just pay the money and have
[1066.59] Stephen: A big company support it
[1068.59] Koel: Oh yeah, definitely, I mean like
[1070.59] Koel: DJI is
[1072.59] Koel: Undisputedly the
[1074.59] Koel: You know, the king
[1076.59] Koel: The king of GPS drones, right?
[1078.59] Koel: Like
[1082.59] Koel: I don't really
[1084.59] Koel: See there being a ton of competition
[1086.59] Koel: For this Inspire 3, unless
[1088.59] Koel: You go into that custom build
[1090.59] Koel: FPV world, right?
[1092.59] Koel: So cine lifters and whatnot
[1094.59] Koel: So, I think
[1096.59] Koel: This DJ Inspire 3 will be the crown king
[1098.59] Koel: For ages, because
[1100.59] Koel: The Inspire 2 was, the original Inspire
[1102.59] Koel: Was, I mean, it's like the flagship, it's like
[1104.59] Koel: DJI puts out these crazy
[1106.59] Koel: Crazy tech, high
[1108.59] Koel: Tech drones that no one else is really
[1110.59] Koel: Putting out now with these full frame
[1112.59] Koel: Sensors and dual native ISO's
[1114.59] Koel: And high resolution, high frame rates
[1116.59] Koel: I mean, it's
[1118.59] Koel: Yeah, this is
[1120.59] Koel: Gonna blow up the
[1122.59] Koel: This is gonna blow a lot of people's minds, I think
[1124.59] Koel: Yeah, we'll see
[1126.59] Stephen: It's interesting to hear that maybe it is a little bit
[1128.59] Stephen: Revolutionary, and it's not just
[1130.59] Stephen: Another sort of speeds and feeds update
[1132.59] Stephen: With slightly
[1134.59] Stephen: Nicer components than last time, so
[1136.59] Stephen: Interesting take, thanks
[1138.59] Koel: Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good point, because
[1140.59] Koel: A lot of companies do that
[1142.59] Koel: They'll almost do their like
[1144.59] Koel: Yeah, there's like
[1146.59] Stephen: 2023 model, and it's like
[1148.59] Stephen: 10% faster than the 2022
[1150.59] Stephen: In specific circumstances
[1152.59] Stephen: And it's got two and a half minutes
[1154.59] Stephen: Extra battery life or something, you know
[1156.59] Koel: Yeah, it's just such
[1158.59] Koel: Minimal upgrades, we're like, oh, then it's
[1160.59] Koel: All marketing, right, so, but no
[1162.59] Koel: I think that this is
[1164.59] Koel: I'm just trying to see what the
[1166.59] Koel: Specs on for
[1168.59] Koel: The Inspire 2, but there's no
[1170.59] Koel: Way that it can
[1172.59] Koel: There's no way it's even near that, I think
[1174.59] Koel: I think the last one was Micro 4 3rd size sensor
[1176.59] Koel: Which is
[1178.59] Koel: Considerably smaller than a full frame
[1180.59] Koel: Um
[1182.59] Koel: Let's see
[1184.59] Koel: Sensor
[1186.59] Curry: Out of interest, how much is the battery for one of these new ones
[1188.59] Curry: If you want to buy a couple of spares
[1190.59] Koel: I'm guessing like
[1192.59] Koel: 500 bucks
[1194.59] Curry: Anybody got the figure on the screen?
[1196.59] Koel: Um
[1200.29] Koel: My guess is like 500 to 1000
[1202.29] Jack: Well, they come with 6
[1204.29] Jack: Wow
[1206.29] Koel: Oh, that's nice
[1208.29] Jack: Look, see
[1210.29] Jack: TB51 intelligent battery
[1212.29] Jack: Time 6
[1214.29] Jack: But I think he used
[1216.29] Curry: Well, I think he used
[1218.29] Curry: 2 at a time
[1220.29] Jack: So I think
[1222.29] Jack: Well, apparently
[1224.29] Jack: Just the propeller guards are like
[1226.29] Koel: 350 US dollars
[1228.29] Koel: Wow
[1230.29] Koel: Oh, it's okay, it's saying
[1232.29] Koel: TB51 intelligent battery
[1234.29] Koel: 350, how could
[1236.29] Koel: How are the propellers
[1238.29] Koel: The same price as the battery
[1240.29] Koel: Well, I'm also not
[1242.29] Koel: Yeah, but I'm not on a real website
[1244.29] Koel: I'm just like, I don't know if this is
[1246.29] Koel: I would love to get that kind of money
[1248.29] Stephen: And someone say
[1250.29] Stephen: Go build a quad for that
[1252.29] Stephen: You know, just to source the components and build something
[1254.29] Stephen: That's an absolute beast
[1256.29] Stephen: Monster
[1258.29] Koel: Well, imagine this too
[1260.29] Koel: To get the charging hub is
[1262.29] Koel: $900
[1264.29] Koel: Wow
[1266.29] Koel: That's more expensive than my
[1268.29] Stephen: Tesla charger
[1270.29] Stephen: You can see how people start their own companies
[1272.29] Stephen: If this kind of money's on the table
[1274.29] Stephen: It kind of explains
[1276.29] Stephen: How there are all these little production companies
[1278.29] Stephen: That build gigantic quads and put
[1280.29] Stephen: Serious cinema cameras on them
[1282.29] Stephen: And fly them around themselves
[1284.29] Stephen: Because if you're looking at spending
[1286.29] Stephen: $15,000 for this
[1288.29] Stephen: And you probably need a couple of them
[1290.29] Stephen: And then the bachelors are going to bankrupt
[1292.29] Stephen: You after that
[1294.29] Stephen: You kind of get to a point pretty quickly
[1296.29] Stephen: Where a team of two or three people
[1298.29] Stephen: Could say, well, we'll go and build
[1300.29] Stephen: Something that does everything this does
[1302.29] Stephen: And we'll pocket the money
[1304.29] Stephen: And we'll maintain it ourselves
[1306.29] Stephen: Because we've got the know-how
[1308.29] Stephen: And we'll pay, you know, $200 for our
[1310.29] Stephen: Bachelors instead of $500
[1312.29] Koel: And everyone's happy
[1314.29] Jack: $309
[1316.29] Koel: So this is the only thing though
[1318.29] Koel: So if a production company
[1320.29] Koel: Well, here's the other thing
[1322.29] Stephen: That's only a four amp power battery
[1324.29] Stephen: Oh my word
[1326.29] Koel: What I was going to say though
[1328.29] Koel: I don't think production companies
[1330.29] Koel: Are even buying these drones
[1332.29] Koel: Well, okay, sorry
[1334.29] Koel: Like a full out production company
[1336.29] Koel: No, they're going to outsource
[1338.29] Koel: Some drone guys who have to own these drones
[1340.29] Koel: Right?
[1342.29] Koel: And the other thing too is
[1344.29] Koel: Let's just say, even if it is a production company
[1346.29] Koel: Buying them
[1348.29] Koel: If a production company is
[1350.29] Koel: Actually a successful production company
[1352.29] Koel: $20,000
[1354.29] Koel: $50,000 is nothing
[1356.29] Koel: Yeah
[1358.29] Stephen: But if you're outsourcing to someone
[1360.29] Stephen: Then the person coming to tender
[1362.29] Stephen: For it is going to have to factor
[1364.29] Stephen: In the cost of their kit
[1366.29] Stephen: So it's going to be an
[1368.29] Stephen: Uncomfortable sum to have to fit
[1370.29] Stephen: Into your budget when you could
[1372.29] Stephen: Be tendering against someone who's
[1374.29] Stephen: Just gone and built their own
[1376.29] Stephen: 12 inch prop cine lifter
[1378.29] Stephen: And is trucking round a giant cinema
[1380.29] Stephen: Camera on that and has the
[1382.29] Stephen: Money to bid lower
[1384.29] Stephen: Than you can because you've had to put all the money
[1386.29] Stephen: In a DJI kit
[1388.29] Koel: By the way
[1390.29] Koel: It's an interesting argument for sure
[1392.29] Jack: Yeah
[1394.29] Jack: The DC
[1396.29] Jack: Um
[1398.29] Jack: TB51
[1400.29] Jack: How much is the kettle to go with that?
[1402.29] Jack: Is 19 mountains
[1404.29] Jack: Pretty sweet, yeah
[1406.29] Curry: It's a 99 pound kettle from Argos
[1408.29] Curry: And just take the lead off that one
[1412.29] Stephen: I should sell a few of these
[1414.29] Stephen: To some DJI people, you know
[1416.29] Stephen: This one's actually new and I think it's
[1418.29] Stephen: Bespoke, it's got better electron
[1420.29] Stephen: Flow than most of the other leads
[1422.29] Jack: The charging half's
[1424.29] Stephen: £709
[1426.29] Stephen: Anyone's got a DJI kit, I'll do this for 15 quid
[1428.29] Stephen: Save a couple of quid
[1430.29] Koel: You know what though, I bet you it's a lot easier to get
[1432.29] Koel: Insurance for a drone like DJI's
[1434.29] Koel: To get, you guys show up with a city lifter
[1436.29] Koel: And a
[1438.29] Stephen: But it's the same thing, right?
[1440.29] Stephen: So you have to buy insurance
[1442.29] Stephen: If you are providing services to someone else
[1444.29] Stephen: So you have
[1446.29] Stephen: Insurance and the person who's
[1448.29] Stephen: Paying you to turn up is like
[1450.29] Stephen: Show me your paperwork and that's it
[1452.29] Stephen: Right?
[1454.29] Koel: Well they typically have to have their own insurance too
[1456.29] Koel: So it's almost like a
[1458.29] Koel: There's a double edged side to it
[1460.29] Koel: But yeah, yeah, I mean either way
[1462.29] Koel: Someone's going to have to get covered
[1464.29] Koel: But I think for a lot of
[1466.29] Koel: I don't know
[1468.29] Stephen: You can still be an idiot
[1470.29] Stephen: It's not whether the drone fails
[1472.29] Stephen: It's typically whether the operator is an idiot or not
[1474.29] Stephen: And whether they fly inside of a bus
[1476.29] Stephen: Full of school children
[1478.29] Stephen: Or whether they don't because they're paying attention
[1480.29] Koel: Well I guess I remember going back to
[1482.29] Koel: Seeing what
[1484.29] Koel: Vanover was doing, right?
[1486.29] Koel: With Michael Bay and
[1488.29] Koel: Doing all that crazy stuff with the FPV drones
[1490.29] Koel: And
[1492.29] Koel: I'm just curious as like
[1494.29] Koel: Then again
[1496.29] Koel: How much
[1498.29] Koel: More do they actually need?
[1500.29] Koel: All these new specs and all these new amazing
[1502.29] Koel: Dancing technology
[1504.29] Koel: Full frame and the 8K and yada yada
[1506.29] Koel: It's like
[1508.29] Koel: Man, movies have been looking good for you
[1510.29] Stephen: Just buy a Vanover and get him to yeet a GoPro
[1512.29] Stephen: Under a flying police car and it's done
[1514.29] Koel: Yeah, or like
[1516.29] Koel: Think about this, drone shots have been looking
[1518.29] Koel: Good in film for the past 10 plus years
[1520.29] Koel: Like
[1522.29] Koel: You know, what more do we need?
[1524.29] Stephen: I guess if you're trying to
[1526.29] Stephen: Track, say you want to track
[1528.29] Stephen: Some migrating herd of rare
[1530.29] Stephen: Beasties and you want to be able
[1532.29] Stephen: To fly for like 8K
[1534.29] Stephen: And be at like 200 meters
[1536.29] Stephen: High so you don't disturb them
[1538.29] Stephen: And then put giant zoom on it
[1540.29] Stephen: And zoom right down so you can see
[1542.29] Stephen: Them taking a crap
[1544.29] Stephen: Whatever it is you want to film, right?
[1546.29] Stephen: That's when you want something like this with a fantastic camera
[1548.29] Stephen: It's going to be able to stay
[1550.29] Stephen: In the air for absolutely ages
[1552.29] Stephen: It's going to have a massive lens and you can get really
[1554.29] Stephen: Really great footage of things a long way away
[1556.29] Stephen: Whereas a freestyle drone is great
[1558.29] Stephen: If you're in someone's face
[1560.29] Stephen: Or practically in their face, you're going to be able to
[1562.29] Stephen: Use that GoPro and get away with it
[1564.29] Stephen: But you're not going to be able to do that
[1566.29] Stephen: If you're a couple of hundred meters in the air
[1568.29] Koel: Yeah, that's true
[1570.29] Koel: So, actually
[1572.29] Koel: Oddly enough
[1574.29] Koel: This
[1576.29] Koel: I don't know if you guys
[1578.29] Koel: Clued into this or not yet but
[1580.29] Koel: This drone actually has
[1582.29] Koel: An FPV built into it
[1584.29] Koel: I'm not sure if you caught that
[1586.29] Koel: On the top of the drone
[1588.29] Koel: Yeah, I missed it too
[1590.29] Koel: I'm just looking at more pictures of it
[1592.29] Koel: I don't know if it's
[1594.29] Koel: I guess maybe there's like multiple
[1596.29] Koel: Because it's multiple operators, right?
[1598.29] Koel: So, maybe FPV is the guy flying
[1600.29] Stephen: Do you have a pilot cam and then you have
[1602.29] Stephen: The four recording cam
[1604.29] Koel: Oh, that's good
[1606.29] Koel: It looks like the 03 camera
[1608.29] Curry: Just on the top of it
[1610.29] Curry: This is something we were talking about
[1612.29] Curry: They hadn't put in before
[1614.29] Curry: Well, they always talked about having multiple operators
[1616.29] Curry: But if one guy is flying and his primary
[1618.29] Curry: Camera is being controlled by somebody else
[1620.29] Curry: It makes it a bit tricky
[1622.29] Curry: But if you've got an actual FPV cam
[1624.29] Koel: Better
[1626.29] Koel: Well, it makes way more sense because
[1628.29] Koel: The guy with the FPV, he can
[1630.29] Koel: Zoom around, or sorry, not zoom around
[1632.29] Koel: But he can whip around and fly
[1634.29] Koel: As he needs to, but then
[1636.29] Koel: The actual camera operator
[1638.29] Koel: Can, you know, turn the camera
[1640.29] Koel: Around 360, pan it, tilt it
[1642.29] Koel: You know, look wherever they want
[1644.29] Koel: And I guess they just have to correlate
[1646.29] Koel: With each other
[1648.29] Koel: Hey, go this way
[1650.29] Koel: Okay, cool, now go this way, or whatever
[1652.29] Koel: But yeah, the camera looks identical
[1654.29] Koel: Like, it's got to be the
[1656.29] Koel: 03 system built in
[1658.29] Koel: If you can find a picture of the front of it
[1660.29] Koel: I'm not sure who's
[1662.29] Koel: Scrolling, but yeah
[1664.29] Koel: There it is, right there, scroll down
[1666.29] Koel: Right there
[1668.29] Koel: That's the FPV cam right there
[1670.29] Koel: Low light, yeah
[1672.29] Koel: Low light camera
[1674.29] Koel: Yep
[1676.29] Jack: So the pre-order
[1678.29] Jack: Goes for 15
[1680.29] Jack: And then you're looking at
[1682.29] Jack: I don't know
[1685.86] Jack: It can
[1687.86] Jack: Each lens
[1689.86] Curry: Sorry, up the top there, did you have to
[1691.86] Curry: Buy some sort of license to get raw?
[1693.86] Curry: Just 900 pounds
[1695.86] Curry: It's easily going to go for
[1697.86] Curry: 920k or 30k
[1701.86] Stephen: It's like buying Cisco
[1705.17] Stephen: Yeah
[1707.17] Koel: No, that's super
[1709.17] Koel: That's super standard, like a lot
[1711.17] Koel: Of the cinema cameras have
[1713.17] Koel: That stuff too, where
[1715.17] Koel: Yeah, it's like, you get the camera
[1717.17] Koel: That's actually a thing
[1719.17] Koel: You actually have to have the license
[1721.17] Koel: For those codecs
[1723.17] Koel: It's not just like, here you go
[1725.17] Koel: You have to pay the licensing fees
[1727.17] Koel: For that codec, and that's across
[1729.17] Koel: All cinema cameras
[1734.42] Koel: I was watching this video of a guy who
[1736.42] Koel: Basically sourced a bunch of
[1738.42] Koel: Broken Aria Lexus
[1740.42] Koel: And he was basically
[1742.42] Koel: Putting them all together
[1744.42] Koel: And one of them happened to have the raw
[1746.42] Koel: License built into it
[1748.42] Koel: So he was like, oh, I'm going to take that module from that one
[1750.42] Koel: Since I want the raw codec
[1752.42] Koel: It's crazy
[1754.42] Koel: It's pretty nuts
[1756.42] Koel: And the thing is, it's crazy too
[1758.42] Koel: You guys are looking at the numbers in pounds
[1760.42] Koel: Whereas, when that gets converted
[1762.42] Koel: To American or Canadian
[1764.42] Koel: The number is double
[1766.42] Koel: Or, not double, but
[1768.42] Koel: It gets up there
[1770.42] Stephen: Like a bad
[1772.42] Stephen: Digestive upset, this topic has
[1774.42] Stephen: Occurred once more
[1776.42] Jack: Oh, the toroidal props
[1778.42] Stephen: The toroidal prop
[1780.42] Stephen: Yeah, you've got to push them back over the spoon
[1782.42] Koel: Hem-roidal?
[1784.42] Koel: The fox ear
[1786.42] Stephen: Of actually injection moulded
[1788.42] Stephen: Which some people were saying was not possible
[1790.42] Stephen: Some toroidal props
[1792.42] Stephen: So you've got
[1794.42] Stephen: A figure eight prop with both the
[1796.42] Stephen: Leading edge of the figure eight
[1798.42] Stephen: And the trailing edge angled to provide lift
[1800.42] Stephen: And this is supposed to somehow
[1802.42] Stephen: Eliminate some of the inefficiencies
[1804.42] Stephen: From classic propellers
[1806.42] Stephen: Results were really mixed earlier
[1808.42] Stephen: Because people were kicking these out
[1810.42] Stephen: On their 3D printers
[1812.42] Stephen: And then comparing them to injection moulded
[1814.42] Stephen: Polycarbonate props that
[1816.42] Stephen: Had a completely different manufacturing process
[1818.42] Stephen: Different materials
[1820.42] Stephen: Different surface
[1822.42] Stephen: Like the 3D printing, even with a really good printer
[1824.42] Stephen: You're always going to have ridges on the surface
[1826.42] Stephen: Whereas an injection moulded item
[1828.42] Stephen: Like this is essentially
[1830.42] Stephen: Glass smooth on the surface
[1832.42] Stephen: So it will be interesting to see what happens
[1834.42] Stephen: Yeah, that is
[1836.42] Koel: That topic is
[1838.42] Koel: It's pretty cool
[1840.42] Koel: It's interesting to see because it's
[1842.42] Koel: An MIT thing
[1844.42] Koel: Like MIT supposedly came up with these
[1846.42] Koel: And
[1848.42] Koel: Yeah, we'll see
[1850.42] Koel: We'll see what happens
[1852.42] Stephen: Yeah, it really captured everyone's imagination
[1854.42] Stephen: It was interesting that because
[1856.42] Stephen: MIT came up with them
[1858.42] Stephen: But there's very little information on
[1860.42] Stephen: Exactly what MIT expects
[1862.42] Stephen: Is going to happen to them
[1864.42] Stephen: It's just like, oh, MIT did it
[1866.42] Stephen: It must be amazing
[1868.42] Stephen: It's going to be interesting
[1870.42] Stephen: It feels like everyone's going their own way now
[1872.42] Stephen: And we might see a few generations of these
[1874.42] Stephen: Where people try and replicate the magic
[1876.42] Stephen: That people think were happening in academic papers
[1878.42] Koel: Well, the next thing you know, the DJI Inspire 4
[1880.42] Koel: Is going to come with hemorrhoid props
[1882.42] Curry: And it's going to be great
[1885.82] Curry: Wonderful
[1887.82] Curry: I've just remembered something which
[1889.82] Curry: You mentioned about not, if you wanted to
[1891.82] Curry: Do an indoor shot, then why
[1893.82] Curry: Would you use a drone? And eight years ago
[1895.82] Curry: Do you remember the OK Go video?
[1897.82] Curry: Ah, yeah
[1899.82] Curry: They had this really interesting
[1901.82] Curry: Video where they did it all
[1903.82] Curry: In one take on
[1905.82] Curry: I think it was probably an
[1907.82] Curry: S1000 or S800 way back
[1909.82] Koel: Oh, the big one, is it the Matrice era?
[1911.82] Curry: And they, yeah
[1913.82] Curry: They had the thing where they pulled out
[1915.82] Curry: So they had all these guys on these little
[1917.82] Curry: Honda one wheels doing stuff
[1919.82] Curry: But they started out inside
[1921.82] Curry: But rather than fly the drone, and you can see this
[1923.82] Curry: In the shadow, they had it on a trolley
[1925.82] Curry: And they pulled the trolley backwards
[1927.82] Curry: And then once they got out of the inside
[1929.82] Curry: Then they lifted off, and the guys
[1931.82] Curry: The trolley ran away
[1933.82] Koel: You see that a lot
[1935.82] Koel: It's really hard to pull off those
[1937.82] Koel: They call it a one error
[1939.82] Koel: It's hard to pull off those one takes where like
[1941.82] Koel: You're inside to outside
[1943.82] Koel: And, yeah, that's exactly what they do
[1945.82] Koel: They, like, they'll physically
[1947.82] Koel: Hold the drone
[1949.82] Koel: And then, you know, get to a window
[1951.82] Koel: Get to whatever, and then
[1953.82] Koel: You know, take off, and that seems like it would be
[1955.82] Koel: Pretty sketchy, like, I would not
[1957.82] Koel: Want to be the guy holding on to that quad
[1959.82] Stephen: What?
[1961.82] Stephen: This drone will change everything
[1963.82] Stephen: Yeah, because you're not going to have any hands left
[1965.82] Stephen: After you've
[1967.82] Stephen: Put you around that
[1969.82] Stephen: That looks deadly, it's like a wishbone
[1971.82] Stephen: Sort of set up with two
[1973.82] Stephen: Monoprops at a very odd angle
[1975.82] Koel: Yeah, you'd have to have Arnold Schwarzenegger
[1977.82] Koel: Or someone like Jack to do it with those
[1979.82] Koel: Like, you've got a red camera on
[1981.82] Koel: An S1 or whatever, it's like
[1985.82] Curry: So these were the ones featured in that Mark Rober
[1987.82] Curry: Video, weren't they, about the
[1989.82] Curry: The drone delivery step
[1991.82] Jack: Yeah, and it's super
[1993.82] Jack: It is actually super
[1995.82] Jack: Quiet, yeah
[1997.82] Jack: Oh, yeah
[1999.82] Jack: We haven't got any of this
[2001.82] Koel: Oh, that was so cool, that was so cool
[2003.82] Koel: The slingshot, and then the retrieval
[2005.82] Curry: Yeah, it was really cool
[2007.82] Curry: It's brilliant
[2009.82] Curry: For a developing
[2011.82] Curry: Country, and I think Exeter
[2013.82] Curry: But you just couldn't do it in
[2015.82] Curry: Over here, or New York
[2017.82] Stephen: There's so much nimbyism, it's just impossible
[2019.82] Koel: And that was somewhere in Africa
[2021.82] Koel: Where they had to deliver hospital
[2023.82] Koel: Medications and whatnot, right?
[2025.82] Koel: Yeah
[2027.82] Koel: Yeah
[2029.82] Koel: That was cool
[2031.82] Koel: Yeah, good implementation
[2033.82] Koel: Of RC stuff, or I guess it's all
[2035.82] Frank: Autonomous, but
[2057.82] Frank: So what have you guys been up to?
[2059.82] Frank: Any flying this week? It's been pretty windy
[2061.82] Frank: Yes
[2063.82] Curry: But you got out there?
[2065.82] Curry: I went flying with the
[2067.82] Curry: Pixel OSD build
[2069.82] Stephen: And whizzed it around
[2071.82] Stephen: Of it, and was actually able to see the OSD
[2073.82] Stephen: Nothing broke
[2075.82] Stephen: So
[2077.82] Stephen: Do you have any food?
[2079.82] Stephen: I mean, it's unremarkable
[2081.82] Stephen: It's an OSD with a single
[2084.82] Stephen: I mean, it's unremarkable
[2086.82] Stephen: It's an OSD with a slightly different font
[2088.82] Stephen: It's not groundbreaking
[2090.82] Stephen: Because it's just rendering the same
[2092.82] Stephen: Character set the beta flight uses
[2094.82] Stephen: It's not a complete OSD overhaul
[2096.82] Stephen: So unless you've got the
[2098.82] Stephen: Horizon lines on, I think the horizon
[2100.82] Stephen: Lines are rendered pixel by pixel
[2102.82] Stephen: But otherwise you're just looking at
[2104.82] Stephen: Something that is essentially
[2106.82] Stephen: A replica of the beta flight OSD
[2108.82] Curry: But it works
[2109.82] Curry: Can you do a more accurate joystick overlay?
[2111.82] Curry: So representing your joysticks
[2113.82] Curry: But much more accurately so you can see
[2115.82] Stephen: Probably, but you just do that
[2117.82] Stephen: With an overlay in the
[2119.82] Stephen: Final footage, wouldn't you? So it would be all
[2121.82] Stephen: High res and stuff
[2122.82] Curry: You could do, or you could just take it off the OSD
[2124.82] Curry: In case you forget
[2126.82] Stephen: Yeah, I guess you could, yeah
[2128.82] Stephen: Yeah, absolutely
[2129.82] Stephen: Anyway, it flew really nicely
[2131.82] Stephen: It flew much better than the F3 that was on there
[2133.82] Stephen: Beforehand
[2134.82] Stephen: I had some random F3 clone
[2136.82] Stephen: From full speed RC
[2138.82] Stephen: And put this 20mm
[2141.82] Stephen: H7 RF on there
[2143.82] Stephen: And it flew absolutely beautifully
[2145.82] Stephen: So there's that
[2146.82] Stephen: But it's really just trying to find
[2148.82] Stephen: People inside of beta flight who want to
[2150.82] Stephen: Support it going forward
[2151.82] Stephen: Because it's a bit of extra complexity
[2153.82] Stephen: And unfortunately the world has sort of
[2155.82] Stephen: Moved on from where we were in, you know
[2157.82] Stephen: 2019 or even 2020
[2161.82] Stephen: Everyone's kind of fallen
[2163.82] Stephen: Towards digital and it's become
[2165.82] Stephen: The accepted way of running
[2167.82] Stephen: Your fancy OSD, you're going to do it
[2169.82] Stephen: With, on the goggle side
[2171.82] Stephen: They're going to be able to render whatever you want
[2173.82] Stephen: And you can feed them coloured things and images
[2177.82] Stephen: Yeah, I feel that unfortunately maybe
[2179.82] Stephen: We missed a window on that
[2180.82] Stephen: But it looks cool and it flies very well
[2183.82] Curry: I think there will always be a place for analog
[2186.82] Curry: Though it just depends if
[2189.82] Curry: If they're rather fancier
[2192.82] Stephen: And it's nice because
[2193.82] Stephen: I think that the strength here is
[2195.82] Stephen: That you're not taking the board space
[2198.82] Stephen: For this giant OSD chip
[2200.82] Stephen: Whereas right now all of the boards
[2202.82] Stephen: Have to make space
[2204.82] Stephen: And have to budget financially
[2206.82] Stephen: For this big Max 7456 chip
[2210.82] Stephen: Which is physically pretty chunky
[2212.82] Stephen: Like it's bigger than some of the MCUs
[2215.82] Stephen: It's not a very, you know, high density chip
[2219.82] Stephen: And if you're flying digital
[2221.82] Stephen: You're just looking at it and thinking
[2223.82] Stephen: Yeah, why am I paying for that?
[2225.82] Stephen: And why is it taking up all this board space
[2227.82] Stephen: That could have like a better gyro implementation
[2230.82] Stephen: And I think Dominic's approach there
[2233.82] Stephen: Allows you to still get the analog OSD
[2236.82] Stephen: Without committing so much real estate
[2238.82] Stephen: And so much bill of materials budget to it
[2241.82] Stephen: So that's that
[2242.82] Stephen: But other people are talking about
[2244.82] Stephen: Maybe we put the OSD rendering on the VTX
[2246.82] Stephen: Or maybe the OSD rendering goes in a camera
[2249.82] Stephen: So I think analog is going to be around
[2252.82] Stephen: And it's going to move on
[2254.82] Stephen: And one way or another
[2255.82] Stephen: People are going to find a way to avoid using the OSD chip
[2258.82] Stephen: There's really just a question of
[2260.82] Stephen: Do you do it in a fancy way like Dom has on the flight controller
[2264.82] Stephen: Does it happen in a VTX?
[2266.82] Stephen: Maybe you've got an MSP linked to the VTX already
[2269.82] Stephen: Like OpenVTX can do
[2271.82] Stephen: Or maybe you go and do it as an enhanced version
[2275.82] Stephen: Of the overlay that's already on analog cameras
[2277.82] Stephen: And instead of it being via the camera control board
[2279.82] Stephen: Doing the overlay
[2281.82] Stephen: You're actually driving that overlay via MSP
[2284.82] Stephen: Into the camera
[2286.82] Stephen: There's a few options
[2288.82] Stephen: Time will tell I guess
[2290.82] Jack: I did go out to fly
[2295.68] Jack: But then got sort of cut short
[2298.68] Jack: I went on a little mini trip to Summer's Pond
[2301.68] Jack: Where me, Tony and Frank met up
[2305.68] Jack: And we also
[2308.68] Jack: Hang on
[2310.68] Jack: Did you get in the air?
[2312.68] Jack: No, I had to
[2314.68] Jack: I had to disappear
[2316.68] Jack: Back
[2318.68] Jack: Because I had other commitments
[2320.68] Jack: But we did think of you, Curry
[2322.68] Jack: That's nice, well done
[2324.68] Curry: That's not so bad
[2326.68] Curry: It's not as bad as biting out the middle
[2328.68] Curry: So I only slightly offended
[2330.68] Jack: You're just getting more and more used to it
[2334.68] Stephen: I might try and visit Jack again
[2336.68] Stephen: I've kind of learnt from going to fly with Jack
[2339.68] Stephen: That probably what you want to do with Jack
[2341.68] Stephen: Is arrive with some batteries
[2343.68] Stephen: In the aircraft of your own
[2345.68] Stephen: Everything ready to charge
[2347.68] Stephen: Put your goggles on his head
[2349.68] Stephen: Give him your radio and go
[2350.68] Stephen: Jack, now you're flying
[2352.68] Stephen: And I'm not in any way
[2353.68] Stephen: Let Jack try and repair his quad
[2355.68] Stephen: Or reconfigure it at the field
[2357.68] Jack: Just like get him in the air
[2359.68] Jack: Yeah, I know
[2361.68] Jack: I've just been like
[2363.68] Jack: Well, Cole's got his
[2366.68] Jack: Ultras up and running
[2368.68] Jack: Well, way ultra up and running
[2371.68] Jack: In the middle of moving out
[2373.68] Koel: Yep, I'm not going to get a chance to fly
[2375.68] Koel: Or have anywhere decent to fly
[2378.68] Koel: Until I think mid next week
[2382.68] Koel: When I'm no longer in downtown Toronto
[2385.68] Koel: But I'm very looking forward to
[2388.68] Koel: Madening my Apex with KISS Ultra V2
[2391.68] Koel: It's all set up
[2393.68] Koel: It's like my cleanest build I've ever had
[2395.68] Koel: I finally have four in one
[2397.68] Koel: I think I showed you guys a couple of weeks ago
[2401.68] Koel: But yeah, I can't wait to fly
[2404.68] Koel: I actually haven't flown once since I was in Taiwan
[2407.68] Koel: Which was I got back in January
[2409.68] Koel: So I've got the itch now
[2412.68] Koel: Now it's nice weather
[2414.68] Koel: It's actually 29 degrees today here in Toronto
[2416.68] Koel: And it's insane
[2418.68] Koel: It's too hot actually
[2420.68] Koel: And my AC in my building doesn't work
[2422.68] Jack: So that's great
[2423.68] Jack: I've been soldering Tony's crap together
[2426.68] Jack: Look at the size of it
[2428.68] Jack: It's an AST
[2433.11] Jack: Yeah, APC EFT
[2435.11] Jack: Here is a mini camera
[2439.11] Jack: A comparison
[2441.11] Jack: It's massive
[2443.11] Jack: EFT
[2445.11] Jack: Mode X to the third
[2447.11] Koel: Let's see it
[2449.11] Koel: Oh my gosh
[2451.11] Koel: No, the better comparison is the motor
[2453.11] Koel: Is the X-Class motor compared to a regular motor
[2456.11] Stephen: Oh my word
[2458.11] Stephen: This is a motor
[2460.11] Stephen: It's painted or is that a polycarbonate frame instead of a...
[2463.11] Jack: No, I don't know what it is
[2465.11] Jack: It's some sort of plastic
[2467.11] Jack: But it's pretty much all together
[2471.11] Curry: That was the thing Martin was sort of looking at when we...
[2475.11] Curry: Polycarbonate, right?
[2477.11] Curry: X-Class and wing racing at Popon
[2480.11] Stephen: I thought he was ranting about polycarbonate last time
[2482.11] Stephen: Wasn't that true?
[2484.11] Stephen: He kept going on about polycarbonate frames
[2486.11] Jack: Well no, it might be
[2488.11] Jack: I don't know
[2490.11] Jack: I don't know
[2492.11] Jack: Dominic Clifton lovingly sent over some SPF3
[2496.11] Jack: So Tony can run
[2498.11] Jack: Olders
[2499.11] Jack: Crap
[2500.11] Jack: Beater flights
[2502.11] Jack: My only objection is
[2504.11] Jack: Dom
[2506.11] Jack: There was no cable harnesses with it
[2509.11] Jack: So yeah, let us know if
[2513.11] Jack: And where to get them from
[2517.11] Jack: Because yeah
[2519.11] Jack: I've got boards but no way of
[2522.11] Jack: I suppose you can shoulder to the bottom
[2524.11] Jack: But
[2526.11] Jack: He did have a few breakout pads
[2528.11] Jack: But
[2530.11] Jack: Find a way to get to UART
[2534.94] Jack: Two or three or whatever
[2536.94] Jack: Figure something out
[2538.94] Jack: Um
[2542.6] Jack: One guy run an ultra
[2545.6] Jack: Two on four of those ESCs
[2547.6] Jack: 12S
[2549.6] Jack: Yeah, I mean that's
[2551.6] Jack: Pretty much
[2553.6] Jack: Yeah, I should have really
[2555.6] Jack: Asked Tony to
[2557.6] Jack: Maybe put ultra on it
[2559.6] Jack: Maybe that's something
[2561.6] Jack: We can have a word with you
[2563.6] Koel: Yeah, run it
[2567.78] Koel: See why not
[2568.78] Koel: Ultra X-Class, that'd be crazy
[2570.78] Jack: Yeah, you know
[2572.78] Jack: But
[2573.78] Jack: I think Tony's on a bit of a budget
[2575.78] Jack: So
[2578.78] Koel: Yeah, I'm building an X-Class
[2580.78] Koel: But I'm on a budget
[2584.78] Jack: Well, it's just like
[2586.78] Jack: Everything you do for it
[2588.78] Jack: Costs so much more
[2590.78] Jack: You know, it's like
[2592.78] Jack: You know, it's just like
[2594.78] Jack: The sheer like cable
[2596.78] Jack: You need
[2598.78] Jack: You know, like to
[2600.78] Jack: You're running like
[2602.78] Jack: Um
[2604.78] Jack: You know, you're running like
[2606.78] Jack: Cable over like quite long distances
[2610.78] Jack: As well
[2612.78] Jack: Because obviously everything's way bigger
[2615.78] Jack: So you have to
[2618.78] Jack: You know, and then you've got to buy like
[2620.78] Jack: Big old beefy connectors and everything
[2623.78] Jack: And then
[2624.78] Jack: What are the ESC sizings?
[2626.78] Jack: What do you mean?
[2628.78] Jack: Are they 120 amp or
[2631.78] Jack: I don't know
[2633.78] Jack: I don't know
[2634.78] Jack: That's something you'd have to ask Tony
[2636.78] Stephen: I was looking at some
[2638.78] Stephen: HVSCs, some 12S ones
[2640.78] Stephen: And I was spotting some deals on the
[2643.78] Stephen: The hobby wing
[2645.78] Stephen: No, sorry, Flycolor HV
[2648.78] Jack: These are, I think these are APC
[2650.78] Jack: I don't know
[2651.78] Stephen: APD
[2654.34] Jack: Yeah
[2655.34] Jack: F3
[2657.34] Jack: X120
[2659.34] Jack: Okay, the 120
[2660.34] Jack: W.POWERDRIVE.NET
[2662.34] Jack: Yeah
[2663.34] Jack: ProShot
[2664.34] Stephen: Seems everyone uses those
[2666.34] Jack: But, yeah
[2668.34] Jack: You know, and I've had to like
[2670.34] Stephen: They are expensive, aren't they?
[2671.34] Jack: You know, glue the capacitor to it
[2673.34] Jack: And all
[2675.34] Jack: All manner of things
[2677.34] Jack: Like glue?
[2679.34] Jack: Um
[2680.34] Jack: Well, because it's on a big vibrating
[2683.34] Jack: You know, used silicon
[2685.34] Jack: Silicon glue
[2687.34] Jack: So
[2688.34] Jack: Because, like, you'd have a
[2690.34] Jack: They're big massive capacitors
[2692.34] Jack: And they're just like
[2693.34] Stephen: What size cap do you have on?
[2695.34] Stephen: Huh?
[2696.34] Stephen: What size cap do you put on?
[2698.34] Jack: Um
[2699.34] Jack: It's ones that came with it
[2701.34] Jack: So these
[2702.34] Stephen: Must be the size of a Coke can
[2704.34] Jack: Yeah, oh, they're pretty big
[2706.34] Jack: Uh, 330
[2709.34] Jack: Microfarad, 50 volt
[2711.34] Jack: So
[2712.34] Jack: 330 microfarad, that's tiny
[2715.34] Stephen: What, US, isn't it?
[2717.34] Stephen: Yeah, that's really small capacitor
[2721.34] Jack: Ah, that's what it came with
[2723.34] Jack: For 120 amp
[2726.34] Jack: 50 volts
[2728.34] Jack: You know, I've just put in what came with it
[2730.34] Jack: I know, I looked at that and was a bit like
[2732.34] Jack: Mmm
[2734.34] Stephen: So, I see people put like
[2736.34] Stephen: 1000 microfarads
[2738.34] Stephen: On like 5 inches
[2740.34] Stephen: And that's, okay, that's for a 4 and 1
[2742.34] Stephen: But still, like
[2744.34] Stephen: Multiplying it up, you'd expect something
[2746.34] Stephen: A bit chunkier
[2747.34] Stephen: Maybe they've already got like an absolute
[2749.34] Stephen: Ton of
[2750.34] Stephen: Caps on board
[2752.34] Jack: Didn't move, I don't
[2754.34] Jack: Don't really see, well
[2756.34] Jack: You got the line of them
[2758.34] Jack: A load of ceramics, yeah
[2760.34] Jack: Yeah, a load of ceramics, but like nothing crazy
[2764.34] Jack: I don't know, and then I've got these
[2766.34] Jack: They're meant to be bulletproof anyway
[2767.34] Jack: Chunky boys
[2769.34] Jack: Special ordered in that will go on the
[2772.34] Jack: On the PDB, but it's just like
[2776.34] Jack: It's just hard not getting a cold solder joint
[2780.34] Jack: Trying to get everything hot enough
[2783.34] Stephen: Have you got a big chunky chisel tip on it?
[2786.34] Jack: Yeah, yeah, but I almost feel the need to like
[2790.34] Jack: Solder it together with a blowtorch
[2792.34] Jack: I know that sounds insane
[2794.34] Stephen: Or a gas iron, you mean
[2796.34] Stephen: Something like that, yeah
[2798.34] Stephen: Are you running like 10 or 12 gauge on there?
[2801.34] Stephen: What's the power?
[2804.34] Jack: 12
[2805.34] Jack: 12, and then the motor wires are 14
[2809.34] Jack: So
[2810.34] Jack: It's pretty hefty
[2812.34] Stephen: I've done like 12 gauge on 5 inches though
[2815.34] Stephen: Again, it's for like a 4 in 1
[2818.34] Stephen: Yeah
[2820.34] Jack: Yeah
[2821.34] Jack: But yeah, it's just like, you know
[2823.34] Jack: I'm trying to keep it clean
[2826.34] Jack: I'm trying to do the best for my darling wife
[2831.34] Jack: Because I know when there will be a problem
[2835.34] Jack: It will inevitably
[2837.34] Jack: Have a yawful
[2839.34] Stephen: You're going to need to put on some weight if you want to put a foot on it
[2842.34] Stephen: And give it a quick test in the room Jack
[2845.34] Stephen: Oh mate, I'm chunky enough
[2847.34] Stephen: Put some bricks in your pockets
[2849.34] Jack: I know
[2851.34] Jack: Dom
[2853.34] Jack: Where, man
[2855.34] Jack: No cable harnesses
[2857.34] Jack: I know, you probably thought
[2860.34] Stephen: I did a silly upgrade by the way
[2863.34] Stephen: I have a Pinesil V2 that I ordered
[2866.34] Stephen: And apparently it has BLE built in
[2869.34] Stephen: And I did a firmware update
[2871.34] Stephen: And you can get a little Chrome plugin
[2873.34] Stephen: That gives you a silly rendering of the temperature of your soldering iron on your desktop
[2878.34] Stephen: If you were desperate to know such things
[2880.34] Stephen: That was quite amusing
[2882.34] Jack: Yeah, link me in Discord
[2885.34] Stephen: That was a bit for like
[2887.34] Stephen: That split S was a bit brown-trousery then
[2890.34] Stephen: I have to say
[2892.34] Stephen: How long is this thing going to take to rotate over?
[2895.34] Jack: I'm loving the zero satellites
[2898.34] Jack: I mean look at that, it's like 48V
[2902.34] Jack: It's madness
[2904.34] Stephen: How would you not have like a Purcell voltage
[2907.34] Stephen: Can you remember what the landing voltage is?
[2910.34] Stephen: It's a lot to try and figure out
[2912.34] Stephen: So what is that?
[2914.34] Stephen: That's a 12S right?
[2916.34] Stephen: It's got to be, yeah
[2918.34] Jack: That's what Alexander was talking about I think
[2920.34] Jack: Right
[2921.34] Jack: Three and a half by
[2923.34] Stephen: 800 Euro
[2927.91] Stephen: So you land at like 42V I guess
[2930.91] Stephen: Thereabouts
[2936.98] Stephen: It's a bit of a monster
[2939.98] Jack: That's a bit weird isn't it
[2941.98] Jack: Numskull
[2942.98] Jack: I guess they know what they're doing
[2944.98] Jack: But I don't know
[2946.98] Stephen: The battery milliamp power counter is hilarious
[2949.98] Stephen: Because as soon as you blip the throttle it's like
[2951.98] Stephen: Brrrp
[2952.98] Stephen: Like 20 milliamps
[2954.98] Curry: That's interesting
[2955.98] Curry: Does everybody use a Purcell voltage?
[2957.98] Curry: I tend to use Max
[2959.98] Curry: That's a brown-trouser
[2961.98] Stephen: How is this video so bad?
[2963.98] Stephen: Four to six volts
[2965.98] Stephen: I don't know
[2967.98] Stephen: I would be absolutely pooping myself
[2970.98] Jack: With video like that
[2972.98] Jack: I think he's not getting video like that
[2975.98] Jack: I think that flickering
[2977.98] Jack: Is probably something to do with the sync
[2979.98] Jack: The DVR
[2981.98] Jack: You wouldn't follow like that
[2983.98] Jack: No
[2984.98] Jack: Not with an 800 Euro quad
[2986.98] Jack: I don't know
[2987.98] Jack: Match pairs
[2988.98] Jack: They work better
[2990.98] Jack: Doesn't
[2991.98] Jack: That's scary
[2992.98] Jack: Yeah
[2996.77] Jack: Hang on
[2997.77] Jack: These were China Lab hobbies
[2999.77] Jack: 120C
[3001.77] Jack: Mini star batteries
[3003.77] Jack: All up weight of the quad with lipos
[3005.77] Jack: Is
[3008.77] Jack: 1600.1
[3010.77] Jack: Yeah
[3011.77] Jack: 1 gram
[3012.77] Jack: Yeah
[3013.77] Jack: Kiss Ultra V2
[3015.77] Jack: T06 with experimental
[3018.77] Jack: On for the TBI
[3020.77] Stephen: I wonder what the motors are
[3021.77] Stephen: So he's got two 1800
[3023.77] Jack: Pass it alone
[3024.77] Jack: Sorry
[3025.77] Stephen: This is hilarious
[3026.77] Stephen: Two 6S 1800s
[3027.77] Stephen: But what are the motors on there?
[3029.77] Stephen: I don't know
[3030.77] Jack: They look beefy, don't they?
[3032.77] Stephen: They look chunky but
[3033.77] Stephen: I mean
[3034.77] Jack: They look anobly
[3036.77] Stephen: He's only got like 1800 mar
[3038.77] Stephen: Battery pack
[3039.77] Stephen: Which you'd have thought
[3040.77] Stephen: Like
[3041.77] Stephen: Is not going to get a big motor going
[3042.77] Stephen: Because Tony was running like
[3044.77] Stephen: 4 amp hours or more
[3046.77] Stephen: I love the way he's just like
[3048.77] Stephen: Screaming past his car
[3051.77] Stephen: Like
[3052.77] Stephen: Let's take this out of mainnet
[3053.77] Stephen: And just like
[3054.77] Stephen: Belt past my car
[3055.77] Stephen: No you don't
[3056.77] Jack: And Rick could probably lift that car
[3058.77] Jack: Having enough duct tape
[3060.77] Stephen: It's going to be interesting having someone like
[3062.77] Stephen: Come out to a farm and drive
[3064.77] Stephen: Has to trailer it back
[3066.77] Stephen: And he's got like no windshield
[3068.77] Stephen: Or roof left on his car
[3070.77] Jack: I know
[3072.77] Jack: I know
[3073.77] Jack: That is
[3074.77] Jack: That is ballsy
[3075.77] Jack: So I think someone needs to do
[3077.77] Jack: The milliamp hour
[3079.77] Jack: Campulator
[3081.77] Jack: Does he
[3082.77] Jack: Does he do the statistics?
[3083.77] Jack: Yes
[3084.77] Jack: There you go
[3087.77] Stephen: 152 amps
[3088.77] Stephen: That's pretty conservative
[3089.77] Stephen: For something that chunky
[3090.77] Stephen: I know
[3092.77] Curry: A higher voltage
[3095.75] Stephen: Interesting like signal strength
[3097.75] Stephen: Yeah, 12S
[3098.75] Stephen: Confumption
[3099.75] Stephen: So it's like pulling sort of
[3101.75] Stephen: 3 times as much power as you get
[3103.75] Stephen: From a 5 inch
[3105.75] Stephen: Pulling 50% more amps
[3107.75] Stephen: And double the voltage
[3108.75] Stephen: So it's like 3 times the amount of power
[3110.75] Stephen: You get out of a performance 5 inch
[3112.75] Curry: So my question to you guys
[3114.75] Curry: If you didn't hear it is
[3115.75] Curry: Do you use
[3116.75] Curry: On your OSD a Purcell voltage
[3118.75] Curry: Or do you use the
[3120.75] Curry: Hold voltage and work it out for yourself
[3122.75] Curry: Always Purcell
[3124.75] Curry: I do the hold
[3126.75] Curry: Yeah, I do
[3127.75] Curry: I just remember what it is for 6S, 4S, 3S and 2S
[3132.75] Curry: What about 5S?
[3133.75] Curry: I don't fly 5S
[3134.75] Curry: That's for losers
[3135.75] Curry: And 8S
[3137.75] Curry: Yeah, that's the thing
[3138.75] Stephen: If you're flying mainly 6S and 4S
[3140.75] Stephen: It's okay
[3141.75] Stephen: But if you've got to figure out 5S and 8S
[3144.75] Stephen: It's just
[3145.75] Stephen: If you're switching around
[3146.75] Stephen: You put the average voltage on
[3147.75] Curry: I can see why the Purcell voltage
[3149.75] Curry: Would be more useful, yeah
[3151.75] Stephen: Otherwise you spend all that time
[3153.75] Stephen: When you're trying to dodge stuff
[3154.75] Stephen: And you're doing maths in your head
[3156.75] Stephen: Like, wait a minute
[3157.75] Stephen: No, I'm flying 8S this time instead of 6S
[3159.75] Stephen: Okay, so that means
[3161.75] Stephen: Oh, I need to buy more batteries
[3166.75] Koel: Yeah, I try to have the least cluttered OSD
[3170.75] Koel: When I'm flying
[3171.75] Koel: You don't even use the
[3172.75] Koel: On voltage
[3173.75] Koel: And get rid of that
[3174.75] Jack: Which is quite, you know
[3175.75] Jack: You don't
[3177.75] Jack: Do you?
[3178.75] Jack: I don't
[3179.75] Koel: No, I do
[3182.75] Koel: I use voltage, amps
[3188.75] Koel: RSSI
[3190.75] Koel: I know you don't fly with anyone else
[3194.45] Jack: Because you refuse to use callsign
[3198.45] Jack: I have to have that
[3201.45] Koel: Well, that just takes up space on the OS
[3204.45] Koel: I used to have it
[3205.45] Koel: I used to rocket a callsign
[3206.45] Koel: But then I was like, hmm
[3209.45] Koel: I'm flying in questionable places
[3211.45] Koel: Should I be broadcasting my name?
[3214.45] Stephen: Instead of the callsign
[3215.45] Stephen: I put the name of the quad on
[3216.45] Stephen: So I can remember what quad I'm flying
[3219.45] Stephen: Oh, yeah
[3220.45] Stephen: So it's just like the name of the frame, yeah
[3223.45] Jack: Yeah, maybe that's what I should do
[3228.45] Jack: The thing is though
[3229.45] Jack: That beat flight quad
[3230.45] Jack: That I've got
[3231.45] Jack: I've named it after my old boss, Fabi
[3234.45] Jack: Because of radio sluts
[3239.98] Koel: Yeah, Jack
[3240.98] Koel: If you're going to do callsigns for all your drums
[3241.98] Koel: It's going to be like
[3242.98] Koel: I don't like apex
[3243.98] Koel: Kiss one, kiss two, kiss three, kiss four
[3246.98] Koel: Kiss five, kiss six, kiss seven
[3248.98] Stephen: Kiss apex, kiss apex, kiss apex, and kiss apex
[3254.26] Koel: Ultra
[3255.26] Koel: No, it's going to be
[3256.26] Koel: Kiss apex, V2
[3258.26] Koel: Kiss apex, ultra V2
[3260.26] Koel: Kiss apex, ultra V4
[3261.26] Koel: The V1 will have a forex
[3263.26] Stephen: Kiss apex, run over with chair
[3265.26] Stephen: Kiss apex, slightly set fire
[3267.26] Stephen: Yeah, that one
[3269.26] Jack: Yeah, I know
[3271.26] Jack: That is horrendous
[3272.26] Jack: That thing's still on my desk, am I?
[3274.26] Jack: I don't know where, but it is
[3277.26] Jack: It's OSD's here
[3281.26] Jack: Yeah, there we go
[3284.61] Jack: The run over
[3286.61] Jack: There you go
[3287.61] Jack: There's the run over kiss V2
[3290.61] Jack: Board
[3291.61] Jack: That got run over by desk chair
[3294.61] Jack: Yeah
[3297.82] Koel: The original V2, right?
[3298.82] Koel: You can tell
[3299.82] Koel: It's like
[3300.82] Jack: Yeah, the OG V2
[3302.82] Jack: The connectors are different colors
[3304.82] Jack: From being heated
[3307.82] Jack: Re-floed
[3309.82] Jack: This one's also had a new gyro as well
[3313.82] Jack: MP6000
[3315.82] Jack: Because that's the one that Andy RC crashed into
[3319.82] Jack: And then it would spin
[3322.82] Jack: You're to death
[3324.82] Koel: Oh, yeah
[3326.82] Koel: That was the one up in the
[3328.82] Koel: Yeah, I should have just used
[3330.82] Jack: Like that took me ages to dirty nose
[3332.82] Jack: It went until I looked at like the data output
[3334.82] Jack: I was like
[3336.82] Jack: Oh, that's why
[3337.82] Jack: Oh, the gyro's gone
[3338.82] Jack: It's like
[3339.82] Jack: Oh, God
[3340.82] Jack: I should have just looked
[3345.82] Koel: Everyone's
[3347.82] Koel: I saw that what T-motor put out like a
[3350.82] Koel: A flight controller that's like
[3351.82] Koel: MP6000, yes, everything
[3353.82] Koel: MP6000
[3354.82] Koel: But MP6000 is kind of like a dying breed
[3357.82] Koel: Is it not?
[3359.82] Stephen: MP6000
[3360.82] Stephen: Yeah, they just stopped making them
[3362.82] Stephen: So it's been replaced
[3364.82] Stephen: And there was this kind of attempt to move on to replacement parts
[3368.82] Stephen: And we talked about this briefly with Alexander, right?
[3372.82] Stephen: Where he looked at some industrial gyros
[3376.82] Stephen: And people were going and looking at the documentation
[3379.82] Stephen: And say, well, this should be perfect
[3380.82] Stephen: This says it does everything we need
[3382.82] Stephen: And then they get the parts and implement them
[3384.82] Stephen: And find out, oh, it's just garbage
[3386.82] Stephen: And so that carried on for quite a while
[3389.82] Stephen: Yeah
[3391.82] Stephen: MP6000 is still the reliable choice
[3394.82] Jack: Yeah, what one was in the
[3397.82] Jack: Oh, God
[3398.82] Jack: What was it? The Lux? The Lumineer Lux?
[3400.82] Jack: Oh, my God
[3402.82] Jack: That was just
[3404.82] Jack: Whatever that board was
[3407.82] Stephen: Was there a 2605?
[3409.82] Stephen: There was like an MPU6050 as well
[3412.82] Stephen: Wasn't there?
[3413.82] Stephen: Okay, after the 6000
[3416.82] Stephen: I can't remember all the differences
[3418.82] Stephen: All I know is that the modern stuff
[3420.82] Stephen: Tends to be using either the BMI270
[3423.82] Stephen: Or the new ICM42688P
[3426.82] Stephen: And they are mostly okay
[3428.82] Stephen: But if you can get the MPU6000
[3430.82] Stephen: And if you want to run B-Flight 3.5
[3433.82] Stephen: For whatever insane reason
[3436.82] Stephen: Then you really need an MPU6000 board
[3439.82] Jack: Oh, man
[3440.82] Jack: I'm looking for the
[3445.29] Jack: The Lux board
[3449.02] Jack: Sorry, I've been properly distracted
[3452.02] Jack: No, they've only got the V2
[3454.02] Jack: Lux
[3456.02] Jack: Damn it
[3457.02] Jack: I missed that
[3459.02] Stephen: After a couple of years of global chip shortage
[3462.02] Jack: All the old stock has cleared out
[3464.02] Jack: Just, it shuddered like crazy
[3467.02] Jack: It was just like
[3469.02] Jack: It was so bad
[3471.02] Stephen: That's what I was seeing with B2Flight 3.5
[3474.02] Stephen: There was a lot of wibbly-wobbly-ness
[3476.02] Stephen: Going up to I think 4.5
[3479.02] Stephen: Wibble wobbles are gone
[3482.9] Stephen: I don't think I'm going to be downgrading any time
[3484.9] Jack: Found it
[3488.25] Jack: On
[3490.25] Jack: Everything stays on
[3493.25] Jack: Get FPV
[3495.25] Jack: Hardware
[3497.25] Jack: High-speed SPI
[3500.25] Jack: 8K gyro
[3503.91] Stephen: But the F3's only a 72 megahertz chip
[3506.91] Stephen: So
[3508.91] Stephen: It's going to struggle to do all the filtering and stuff
[3510.91] Stephen: If you turn on everything
[3512.91] Stephen: 72 megahertz
[3514.91] Jack: Look at that, old-school
[3516.91] Jack: Old-school, had a flash of B-Flight
[3519.91] Jack: Hilarious
[3521.91] Jack: God, I feel old
[3525.51] Jack: Ugh
[3526.51] Jack: Yeah
[3527.51] Jack: Corey, did you do anything before you left?
[3531.51] Jack: Did you
[3534.51] Jack: Like
[3535.51] Jack: Walk snail
[3537.51] Curry: Do you hear him or use
[3539.51] Curry: When we had the call last week
[3541.51] Curry: I was leaving the next morning
[3544.51] Curry: And I'm going back tomorrow morning
[3546.51] Curry: So no, it was left untouched
[3549.51] Curry: Unfortunately
[3551.51] Curry: So I've got a few things to do before I get to that still
[3554.51] Curry: One giant robot kit
[3557.51] Curry: The open HD stuff, hopefully
[3559.51] Curry: There seem to be reasonable weather
[3561.51] Curry: Tuesday unless it's already changed
[3563.51] Curry: To get that sorted before I start
[3565.51] Curry: On walk snail in anger
[3568.51] Curry: Which is perhaps the wrong way to start
[3570.51] Curry: Start angering
[3571.51] Curry: And then I'll get on with that
[3575.08] Jack: That's how I always do
[3577.08] Curry: I'm so looking forward to something
[3579.08] Curry: So different and
[3581.08] Curry: Completely
[3583.08] Curry: New that I have to
[3585.08] Curry: Learn stuff because I just thought
[3587.08] Curry: Oh, I've absolutely no idea how to do the OSD on this thing
[3589.08] Curry: What's going to happen?
[3590.08] Curry: How exciting
[3591.08] Curry: Not knowing stuff
[3592.08] Jack: I don't think you'll go back to the whole
[3595.08] Jack: Um
[3597.08] Jack: Like
[3598.08] Jack: The whole
[3599.08] Jack: Uh
[3600.08] Jack: You know
[3601.08] Jack: The analog
[3602.08] Jack: I think that'll be it
[3603.08] Jack: And you'll be gone
[3604.08] Curry: I don't have too much choice because I've got so many models
[3606.08] Curry: And it's all on analog
[3608.08] Curry: And there's a real mix of like
[3610.08] Curry: I've got loads of stuff still on Free Sky
[3612.08] Curry: That I can't be bothered to move over
[3614.08] Curry: Because I'm only flying them like
[3616.08] Curry: A couple of fields away and they're fine
[3618.08] Curry: For what they do
[3619.08] Curry: It's only when I get new stuff
[3621.08] Curry: It's like well I'll put ELR as in this
[3623.08] Curry: And I'll put
[3624.08] Curry: You know
[3625.08] Curry: Whatever I'm using at the time in this
[3627.08] Curry: But I still
[3628.08] Curry: Yeah
[3629.08] Curry: I'm still thinking like
[3631.08] Curry: Um
[3632.08] Curry: I'm still thinking about what my two VTXs are going to go in
[3635.08] Curry: At this point
[3636.08] Curry: Because I want to put one in a plane and one in a quad
[3639.08] Curry: Um
[3640.08] Curry: And then mess around with them and see how it all
[3642.08] Curry: Goes together
[3644.08] Stephen: It'd be interesting to see what it compares like to
[3647.08] Stephen: Open HD
[3648.08] Stephen: With some of the longer wing journeys
[3651.08] Curry: I mean so far Open HD hasn't been great in getting
[3654.08] Curry: The thing I can't get from it so far is this
[3657.08] Curry: Nice signal
[3659.08] Curry: That's going to stay there
[3660.08] Curry: I've always had the breakup so that's why I went the whole thing about
[3663.08] Curry: Buying these special antennas that work on like 5100
[3667.08] Curry: So this is like
[3668.08] Curry: If this doesn't work now
[3670.08] Curry: I'm going to
[3671.08] Curry: The toys could get thrown out of the pram
[3673.08] Curry: Let's put it that way because I thought it would be a bit
[3675.08] Curry: Right
[3676.08] Stephen: When's the next flight?
[3677.08] Stephen: Have you scheduled in a date and saying
[3679.08] Stephen: I'm going to get it in the air?
[3681.08] Curry: Well as I said
[3682.08] Curry: Hopefully Monday, Tuesday of next week
[3684.08] Curry: When I looked
[3685.08] Curry: A couple of days ago looked okay but it could
[3687.08] Curry: Completely change by then
[3689.08] Curry: So it wasn't raining and the wind was only about
[3691.08] Curry: Like 10 to 15 miles an hour which is
[3693.08] Curry: Which is fine for wings
[3695.08] Curry: And I just need to get the
[3697.08] Curry: I couldn't get telemetry talking to myself from the quad
[3700.08] Curry: With the suicide camera
[3702.08] Curry: Which I need to do before I try that and then that's
[3704.08] Curry: Those two are good to go then
[3706.08] Curry: And then we've kind of got that
[3708.08] Curry: The way
[3709.08] Curry: Ready
[3710.08] Curry: The next chapter
[3713.26] Jack: Stephen
[3714.26] Jack: I think this is one for you
[3716.26] Jack: Digby and Ann asks
[3717.26] Jack: Does anyone run BFI in chat GPT?
[3720.26] Stephen: I'm staying away from chat GPT
[3722.26] Stephen: Just
[3723.26] Stephen: Yeah
[3724.26] Stephen: I tried
[3725.26] Stephen: It seems like the stakes waiting to happen
[3727.26] Stephen: Like that everyone is obsessed with using
[3729.26] Stephen: AI in my work and stuff like this
[3732.26] Stephen: It's
[3734.26] Stephen: It's kind of a large pattern matcher
[3737.26] Stephen: It's like it hovers up all of the search results
[3740.26] Stephen: And vomits them back out
[3742.26] Stephen: In a single page and tries to stitch them together
[3745.26] Stephen: So that they're a single coherent piece of work
[3748.26] Stephen: And at first pass I think it's getting to the point where
[3751.26] Stephen: If you're not an expert in the subject you probably think
[3753.26] Stephen: Oh yeah that checks out
[3756.26] Stephen: But if you look at some of the code it writes it's
[3758.26] Stephen: I had a quick
[3759.26] Stephen: For the very simple stuff it can find an example
[3762.26] Stephen: And literally shovel you the entire code
[3765.26] Curry: I had a quick test for the code writing stuff
[3768.26] Curry: And I said
[3769.26] Curry: Write me a
[3771.26] Curry: I think
[3772.26] Curry: I said write me a fire effect in Python
[3775.26] Curry: And it didn't compile
[3778.26] Curry: And I said it doesn't work
[3779.26] Curry: Yeah exactly
[3780.26] Curry: And it didn't compile and I was like
[3781.26] Curry: I don't think I can be asked to fix it
[3783.26] Curry: So I tried to get something more simple
[3786.26] Curry: And it froze
[3788.26] Curry: So so far
[3789.26] Curry: Right
[3790.26] Curry: This is the thing
[3791.26] Curry: Everyone is like
[3792.26] Curry: Chat GPT will completely put people out of work
[3794.26] Curry: It can't create stuff
[3796.26] Curry: It just goes and searches stuff and gives you all the
[3798.26] Curry: **** results
[3799.26] Curry: And pretends it's its code
[3801.26] Stephen: It's literally finding something in a forum
[3804.26] Stephen: Or a stack overflow post somewhere
[3806.26] Stephen: And then it's like
[3807.26] Stephen: Yeah that must be the answer
[3808.26] Stephen: And that's not a great sanity check really
[3811.26] Stephen: If you bet your entire application on a collection of
[3815.26] Stephen: Stack overflow posts that you stitch together
[3818.26] Stephen: That doesn't work
[3819.26] Stephen: That's not how it works
[3821.26] Stephen: The trouble is it's convincing if someone doesn't
[3823.26] Stephen: Know about the kind of expert realm
[3827.26] Stephen: That you're talking about
[3828.26] Stephen: If someone's not a coder
[3829.26] Stephen: Or if they're not an expert in what they've asked
[3832.26] Stephen: Chat GPT
[3833.26] Stephen: It seems to have produced something
[3835.26] Stephen: So you'd assume
[3836.26] Stephen: Oh it produced something
[3837.26] Stephen: Therefore progress has been made
[3839.26] Stephen: But all it's really done is
[3841.26] Stephen: Taking a load of search results
[3843.26] Stephen: And puked them onto a single page for you
[3845.26] Stephen: Yeah
[3846.26] Stephen: It's been asked so far
[3849.26] Jack: Frank asks
[3850.26] Jack: Does anyone know of any good events this year?
[3854.26] Jack: WNW and Western are any good smaller ones
[3864.26] Jack: That aren't just races
[3865.26] Jack: And Woodsprings FPV Drone Fest is in August
[3871.26] Jack: Caroline says
[3872.26] Jack: So I don't know if anyone else can pipe in
[3879.26] Jack: Make me laugh
[3880.26] Jack: I've used it to write extensive code
[3883.26] Jack: And datasheet infos to set registers
[3886.26] Jack: Isn't exactly what you say
[3889.26] Jack: Sub success
[3891.26] Jack: So
[3892.26] Jack: What's Bardwell been looking at?
[3898.26] Jack: Let's have a look
[3899.26] Jack: Oh yeah this is pretty interesting
[3906.69] Jack: I don't know whether
[3907.69] Jack: We probably haven't got time for that
[3910.69] Jack: We probably haven't got time to cover it
[3912.69] Jack: But this is the red cap
[3914.69] Jack: Oh yeah
[3915.69] Jack: The XDR
[3918.69] Jack: Did you guys see this?
[3919.69] Jack: The I-Kit
[3920.69] Jack: Yeah
[3921.69] Jack: The like GoPros mounted to the top plate
[3925.69] Jack: And then fed through with a cable
[3927.69] Jack: It's a naked GoPro right?
[3929.69] Jack: Yeah
[3930.69] Stephen: So a 3 inch quad
[3934.69] Stephen: And I think he had it with
[3936.69] Stephen: It's got like
[3938.69] Stephen: 1404 motors
[3939.69] Stephen: The T-motor
[3940.69] Stephen: Oh no those are T-motor 1106's aren't they
[3942.69] Stephen: So kind of a weird choice of motor
[3946.69] Stephen: I don't think T-motor sell those anymore right?
[3948.69] Stephen: The little orange guys
[3950.69] Stephen: Anyway
[3951.69] Jack: I'm not too sure
[3952.69] Stephen: So
[3954.69] Stephen: They show it here with the GPS
[3956.69] Stephen: I think Bardwell was throwing it around without the GPS
[3959.69] Stephen: And it's got a naked vista in there
[3961.69] Stephen: But also the GoPro
[3962.69] Stephen: And I did fly one of these like a similar frame design to that
[3967.69] Stephen: Called a
[3968.69] Stephen: I think it was a BeHover X-roll
[3972.69] Stephen: Which is like a 3 inch frame about that size
[3975.69] Stephen: And I was flying it on 1404
[3977.69] Stephen: And it does an okay job
[3979.69] Stephen: I was flying it just with a vista
[3981.69] Stephen: But not a naked vista
[3983.69] Stephen: So probably had about the same weight as they've got up there
[3986.69] Stephen: Because they've decased the vista and decased the GoPro as well
[3991.69] Stephen: It flies okay
[3992.69] Stephen: If you're doing kind of small space stuff
[3995.69] Stephen: It's going to run out of top end though
[3997.69] Stephen: If you go into a bigger space
[3999.69] Stephen: It's going to
[4000.69] Stephen: You know you're going to hit like the max speed pretty quickly
[4005.69] Stephen: But yeah it's pretty cool
[4007.69] Jack: Yeah well we'll talk about that next week
[4010.69] Jack: So guys massive shout out
[4013.69] Jack: Thank you for those topics
[4015.69] Jack: Please post them
[4016.69] Jack: We're trying to use the Discord more
[4019.69] Jack: So we will
[4023.69] Jack: If you can
[4025.69] Jack: There's news and topics
[4029.69] Jack: Everyone's very welcome to post in there
[4032.69] Jack: And maybe we can like give away some stickers and stuff
[4037.69] Jack: For people that continuously like give us topics and stuff
[4042.69] Jack: So if you can post everything in there
[4044.69] Jack: That would be amazing
[4047.69] Jack: And yeah we'll try and incentivise that somehow
[4053.69] Jack: Between us
[4055.69] Jack: But unfortunately that's all we've got time for
[4058.69] Jack: You've been listed to Let's Throw Now
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[4083.69] Jack: You guys are all
[4085.69] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favourite Stephen
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[4093.1] Curry: Bye bye
[4095.1] Jack: And I will remind myself to fight out the middle
[4099.1] Jack: Of the KitKat I've been brought until I fly
[4102.1] Jack: Thank you guys
[4103.1] Jack: Goodnight
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[4108.1] Curry: Telemetry loss