=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 402 === Title: LDO 402 Does Koel Get In Trouble? Recorded: 2023-05-11 Hosts: Koel "Koala" Anderson, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams Guest(s): (none recorded) Total audience: 1,296 Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASitaKXe9ww); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1513379938-letsdroneout-ldo-402-does-koel-get-in-trouble.mp3) ===================================== [0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to... [14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos [16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner [18.0] Frank: Sam Dahmer [20.0] Koel: On with the show [22.0] Koel: Let's Drone Out [52.22] Jack: Hello [53.22] Jack: And you're listening to Let's Drone Out [55.22] Jack: We are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten [57.22] Jack: Hello [59.22] Jack: My buddy Karl [61.22] Jack: Howdy [63.22] Jack: And I'm bright until I fly [65.22] Jack: Hello and good evening [68.22] Jack: I do apologise, we are slightly late, that's because of me [73.22] Jack: And Cole, I was on time [75.22] Koel: Actually it's Wal-Mart's fault because they delivered an item to the wrong address [80.22] Koel: And I have to call customer service and be a Karen [83.22] Koel: And I have to run around my apartment looking for my box that was delivered to the wrong floor [88.22] Jack: If you're going to lug it down yourself [91.22] Koel: Oh yeah dude, I have to pick up the 70 pound bed frame and get to the elevator and look like I'm not trying to steal packages from different floors [101.22] Koel: Oh my god [103.22] Koel: Because apparently there's actually in my building supposedly packages have mysteriously gone missing [108.22] Koel: But I swear it is not me, I promise [112.22] Curry: Subset him so much he's talking in imperial measurements [115.22] Curry: I know [116.22] Koel: Am I? What did I say? [118.22] Curry: 70 pound box [120.22] Koel: Oh well, I never use kilograms for weight really [124.22] Koel: I'm curious [126.22] Jack: Yeah [127.22] Jack: It's the same place that has Roger [131.22] Jack: Is it Roger or Roger's screwdriver? [134.22] Koel: Roger's internet [136.22] Jack: No, the square tip screwdrivers [139.22] Koel: Phillips? [141.22] Koel: No [142.22] Koel: Oh, the... [143.22] Jack: Robinson [144.22] Jack: Is that what it's called? [146.22] Koel: I have no idea, but even for screws, yeah [149.22] Koel: Yeah [150.22] Koel: Yeah [151.22] Koel: Yeah, we do have those [153.22] Curry: Yeah [156.22] Curry: He's off [157.22] Curry: He's got another package down [160.22] Curry: What's been happening with you Jack? [162.22] Curry: He's back [163.22] Curry: He's found a screwdriver [165.22] Jack: Not much, yeah [166.22] Jack: This is a... [168.22] Jack: Yeah, it's Robinson [171.22] Jack: Oh [172.22] Jack: Yes, I know [173.22] Koel: It just seems like a big Allen key [175.22] Jack: No, look, but it's square [177.22] Jack: Look [178.22] Koel: Yep [179.22] Koel: I even have a smaller one [182.22] Koel: Look at that [183.22] Koel: Yep [184.22] Koel: That's weird [185.22] Koel: I know [186.22] Jack: Yeah [187.22] Koel: It's for like... [188.22] Koel: I feel like it's like a wood thing [190.22] Koel: It's for wood [191.22] Koel: Well, I guess screws are for woods, but... [194.22] Jack: Okay [195.22] Jack: No, there's a square screw [197.22] Koel: Is it actually a Canadian thing? [199.22] Jack: It's a Canadian thing, yeah [201.22] Jack: I never knew that [202.22] Jack: Common place in Canada [206.22] Jack: Yeah, I know [207.22] Koel: There you go [208.22] Koel: You know what? [209.22] Koel: They're good because they don't really just like come out of the hole [213.22] Koel: Trying to screw something [214.22] Jack: What she said [216.22] Koel: I knew that was going to happen [219.22] Jack: So I saw on your Instagram, Carl, you flew [223.22] Koel: I flew [224.22] Jack: Recently, yeah [225.22] Koel: I have done a... [226.22] Koel: Yeah [227.22] Jack: Was it for fun or was it for work? [229.22] Jack: Because it kind of looked like you were shooting something [232.22] Curry: This is the baseball field thing, is that? [234.22] Koel: Well, okay, so there's two things [237.22] Koel: So the day before yesterday [239.22] Koel: I went out to a different baseball field [242.22] Koel: And soccer, or sorry, football pitch [245.22] Koel: For you British folk [246.22] Koel: And I was testing my gear to make sure that everything was good [250.22] Koel: And it was [251.22] Koel: And I was actually testing out my GoPro 11 mini without stabilization [254.22] Koel: Because stabilization is kind of like cheating [257.22] Koel: It does make you look like a better pilot than you are [259.22] Koel: It takes out all the little micro jitters [261.22] Koel: But I was like [263.22] Koel: I want to see what it looks like without stabilization [266.22] Koel: And if I fly like crap, then either I suck at flying or my tune is crap [271.22] Koel: So upon testing, my drone flies great even without stabilization [276.22] Koel: You do see a little bit of micro-corrections or whatever [279.22] Koel: So that was two days ago, so everything was all good [282.22] Koel: But yeah, last night I was actually shooting for [286.22] Koel: I was shooting video on my camera, but basically this [290.22] Koel: I filmed a TV show a couple years ago with this one producer, director guy [295.22] Koel: And I was just using regular cameras, but he's like [298.22] Koel: Hey man, want to bring out the FPV drone? We're doing something on like a local sports team [303.22] Koel: So yeah, I was out shooting some video and flying with my FPV drone yesterday [308.22] Koel: Which was pretty cool [311.98] Koel: It was interesting [314.98] Koel: It looks really cool actually when they have the baseball field [317.98] Koel: And it's all like the perfect lines and you're like really low [320.98] Koel: I can't show anything right now because it's not really for me [323.98] Koel: But I wish I could [327.98] Koel: I probably could, but I don't know if I can [330.98] Koel: So I didn't sign anything saying that I can't [334.98] Koel: So I mean like, I mean [338.98] Koel: I could give a little sneak peek if you guys do want to see [341.98] Jack: Yeah man, I'm always interested in seeing what you're up to [344.98] Koel: All right [345.98] Jack: As long as you won't get in trouble [347.98] Koel: Well, oh sorry guys, I'll be right back [351.98] Curry: Oh, he's through to the supervisor [354.98] Jack: I know, isn't it? [356.98] Jack: Do you know who I am? [357.98] Jack: We'll remove him till he comes back and me and you can hang out [361.98] Jack: How are you doing Curry? I saw that you finally received the back of your Fox ear box [367.98] Jack: No, not a radio master box. I always think it's Fox ear [371.98] Curry: Boxer? Yes, I did [373.98] Curry: Although I don't think it's a problem for anybody else [375.98] Curry: I think it's just the the review units had a very tight module bay [380.98] Curry: To the point that I had to dig my module out with a screwdriver [384.98] Curry: But the ones that are in production have the current back, which is absolutely fine [388.98] Curry: Even though they look identical [390.98] Curry: It was literally a case of one, the modules get stuck and then the other [394.98] Curry: They just came out normally [396.98] Curry: Crazy [398.98] Jack: And you saw in the back that it had like little cut out [403.98] Jack: Do you think that that's all it is? Do you reckon they've redone the mould? [408.98] Jack: Or do you reckon they just sawed the corners off? [411.98] Curry: I remember you saying that the ghost module you said was the worst [415.98] Curry: And the ghost module I couldn't even press all the way in without using proper force [420.98] Curry: And that would be at the top [421.98] Curry: So they must have just rejigged the mould and then put those little cut outs in [426.98] Curry: Because what was happening with the old one, if I took the back off I could take it out [431.98] Curry: Because there's more flex in the back of the bay in the moulding [436.98] Curry: So by taking the cut outs out, you get more flex in it even when it's attached to the radio [442.98] Curry: It's a weird problem [444.98] Curry: But that's good, it means I can use that again [448.98] Curry: Because I was using it to set up my walksnow quad [451.98] Curry: And then aside from the fact, I should tell you two things [456.98] Curry: See if anybody else has experienced this [458.98] Curry: Because I'd never done it before and it was apparently quite common [462.98] Curry: So I was trying to flash my quad to 4-4 [467.98] Curry: This little chestnut, the Chimera, which has now got the walksnow BTX2 pro camera in it [474.98] Curry: Which is all very good [476.98] Curry: But despite me holding the boot button and plugging in and the right light coming on [483.98] Curry: It wouldn't recognise DFU mode [486.98] Curry: And I couldn't quite figure this out [488.98] Curry: So I started trying to unplug everything from all the UARTs [493.98] Curry: And literally when I had no UARTs connected [496.98] Curry: The beta flight said, oh you're in DFU mode, let's flash shall we [500.98] Curry: Which is apparently not an uncommon thing [503.98] Curry: But in the hundreds of times I flashed things, it's never ever happened to me [508.98] Curry: So I eventually managed to flash that and get to 4-4 [514.98] Curry: And then [517.98] Curry: What was I saying? [518.98] Curry: I forgot what my first initial thing saying about it was [521.98] Curry: Oh yeah, I was trying to hook up the box to it [524.98] Curry: And I hadn't used it for so long [526.98] Curry: I found out it was a completely different firmware on both the receiver and the TX [532.98] Curry: And I had to update both [533.98] Jack: Yeah, the updates for Express LRS are coming out thick and fast [539.98] Jack: I must admit [541.98] Curry: Yeah, but it was the case of like the radio was on 3.x.x maintenance level [546.98] Curry: So it was on like a pre-release version [549.98] Curry: And something else was on like 2 point something [552.98] Curry: So it was way out, it didn't have a clue [556.98] Curry: To answer Frank's question there [560.98] Curry: It has been pretty bad weather [562.98] Curry: But I did manage to do my garden hover [566.98] Curry: This is the excitement of the garden hover [568.98] Curry: Are you ready for this? [569.98] Curry: Whereas Tony got excited about seeing the grass [571.98] Curry: I'm like, look at the detail on those turds in the garden [574.98] Curry: Isn't that amazing? [576.98] Curry: Thanks for Rosie for laying those down there [578.98] Curry: So that is my one flight on Walkstow so far [583.98] Curry: And it was a case of me making sure that the quad flew [588.98] Curry: And I didn't do anything bad [589.98] Curry: And also just learning how to put the OSD on top of the video afterwards [597.98] Curry: Which was another problem [598.98] Curry: Because the developers there have [601.98] Curry: Seemed to have compiled the package for a certain version of Mac OS [608.84] Curry: Which is a later version of mine [610.84] Curry: So I had to compile it myself [612.84] Jack: It's a pain [616.84] Jack: Was it an H7 flight controller? [619.84] Curry: No, it's an F7 [621.84] Jack: F7 [623.84] Jack: And apparently tailspin says Bardwell mentioned that problem [628.84] Curry: I just never hit it before [631.84] Jack: Hello [632.84] Jack: Sonictonic, are you talking about the micro-drone 4? [636.84] Jack: I don't know [637.84] Jack: I am unsure [639.84] Curry: No, he's talking about Cole getting a sudden call [642.84] Curry: Cole's like, I'm going to show the video and then suddenly [645.84] Curry: He's going to come out and say no, I can't show the video [648.84] Jack: I've been told off [650.84] Jack: I know, it's illegal to cease and desist [654.84] Koel: Yeah, so basically I got a robot human on the phone [658.84] Koel: And they're like, I'm sorry, we are going to take your feedback [662.84] Koel: And we will let you know [664.84] Koel: If this happens again, let us know and we will compensate you [667.84] Koel: And I said, but this happened now [670.84] Koel: And then she goes, oh, I'm very sorry [673.84] Koel: This should not have happened [674.84] Koel: But if it does happen again in the future, let us know [676.84] Koel: And we will compensate [677.84] Koel: I was like, hang up [678.84] Koel: I was like, okay [680.84] Koel: Thank you, have a great day [682.84] Curry: Was it actually a robot or a human? [684.84] Koel: No, it was a human that had a script basically [687.84] Koel: That it's like, if someone complains, say this [692.84] Koel: And they just basically repeated that back to me [694.84] Koel: So I basically gave up and said, have a great day [697.84] Koel: And yeah, I didn't actually say that [700.84] Curry: Let me speak to the robot in charge [702.84] Koel: Yeah, yeah [706.84] Koel: Yeah, so a futile attempt at customer service [710.84] Koel: But that's fine [711.84] Curry: So are you going to show your sneak peek of your video, Cole? [718.08] Koel: Yeah, I mean, we're 11 minutes in [720.08] Koel: I mean, I think [723.08] Jack: I can stall for time, hang on [726.08] Jack: I see Curry got given a rock with a crawler [731.08] Curry: Another free rock [732.08] Curry: That's two free rocks now [734.08] Curry: I'm trying to create my own rockery in my garden [737.08] Curry: So I just keep getting these little things [739.08] Curry: Which looks like this [740.08] Curry: Look at it [741.08] Curry: Look at the little suspension [744.08] Curry: And it's better than last one because it's stiffer [747.08] Curry: Look, go over rocks and look [750.08] Curry: The articulation of the wheels [752.08] Jack: Look at that stance [754.08] Jack: Is that right? Is that the right thing? [756.08] Jack: We're the best [758.08] Jack: We're the best 4x4 drone podcast there is [768.08] Koel: We do it all [770.08] Jack: Okay, here we go [771.08] Koel: I have it up [773.08] Koel: He's got it [775.08] Koel: That's what she said [776.08] Koel: Top secret, top secret information [779.08] Koel: Here we go [780.08] Koel: So let's fast forward to somewhere that's kind of cool [785.08] Koel: Oh, and let's turn off this because that's loud [790.08] Jack: See, that was feet written on the back of that [793.08] Koel: Yep, we do use feet and meters and kilograms and pounds [799.08] Koel: So here's a baseball field [800.08] Koel: I'm like, oh, that's fine [801.08] Koel: They're just practicing [802.08] Koel: So it wasn't like a full game [805.08] Koel: There was no spectators or anything [807.08] Koel: But it was still pretty cool [809.08] Koel: It's just a little bit of ripping around [811.08] Koel: And there was one part where I tried to get [819.08] Koel: The one guy was hitting the ball [820.08] Koel: And it was really hard because I was trying to [823.08] Koel: I was trying to basically follow the ball as he hit it [826.08] Koel: And that is not easy [828.08] Koel: It's a very tricky thing to do [830.08] Koel: Sorry for the stutter [831.08] Koel: I'm trying to find the shot [832.08] Koel: I think it might be this one [834.08] Koel: No, no [837.08] Koel: Maybe, oh, yeah [838.08] Koel: Oh, I think that was it [839.08] Koel: And I just skipped over it [840.08] Koel: Here we go [841.08] Koel: This must be this one [842.08] Koel: So I go around [843.08] Koel: I'm trying to time it up [846.08] Koel: Oh, is he going to do it? [847.08] Koel: Oh, oh, there he hits it [848.08] Koel: Boom [849.08] Koel: And then, you know, this guy goes in and he catches it [853.08] Koel: And yeah [855.08] Jack: Probably need HP for that [857.08] Jack: So you can actually see the ball [859.08] Jack: It's pretty hard to see the ball, isn't it? [861.08] Koel: It is [862.08] Koel: Well, and especially on analog [863.08] Koel: Yeah, it's [865.08] Koel: You should have seen the DVR [866.08] Koel: That was a little bit tricky too [868.08] Jack: Were these people under your control? [871.08] Jack: Did they know you were flying? [872.08] Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah [873.08] Koel: They all knew I was flying [874.08] Koel: And even the coach was aware as well [876.08] Koel: Like he [877.08] Koel: We got full permission from the coach [878.08] Koel: And, you know [880.08] Koel: It's all for like a production thing [882.08] Koel: So it's not just like [883.08] Koel: I'm some random guy [884.08] Koel: And I was like, oh, you know what? [885.08] Koel: Let's fly around through the bleachers and [888.08] Koel: You know, have a little fun with it [890.08] Koel: I've actually flown here before [892.08] Koel: A couple [893.08] Koel: About a year and a half ago [896.08] Koel: A buddy of mine [897.08] Koel: He knows the groundskeeper here [899.08] Koel: And they let us fly here [901.08] Koel: Just one night when [902.08] Koel: It was basically just cleanup night [904.08] Koel: So it wasn't my first time [907.08] Koel: So I was a little bit familiar with the place, luckily [912.08] Koel: I think I'm going in for the landing here [914.08] Koel: But then my tripod was in the way [916.08] Koel: And then [917.08] Koel: The producer's wife was in the way [919.08] Koel: So I was like, well, I can't land there [920.08] Koel: And then I have a little bit of a crash landing [922.08] Koel: I'm like, okay, this spot's good [924.08] Koel: Oh, a little flip over [925.08] Jack: Was that you in the red shirt? [927.08] Jack: Or was that just a straight tire? [929.08] Koel: No, that's somebody else [931.08] Koel: But I am actually [933.08] Koel: I'm trying to figure out where you are [935.08] Koel: I'm right there, bottom right [938.08] Koel: Oh, I see, yeah [941.08] Jack: So you are on the [943.08] Jack: You are in the bleachers of the baseball diamond [946.08] Koel: Yep, yep, so that was pretty fun [949.08] Koel: I think my favorite part was [952.62] Koel: Going all the way from the top [954.62] Koel: Sort of like diving down, but [957.62] Koel: Yeah, it was cool [961.62] Koel: It was pretty fun [963.62] Koel: I did like flying through the [966.62] Koel: Through the bleacher spot, though [969.62] Koel: It's a little bit risky, but [972.62] Koel: Yeah, so that's a little sneak peek [976.62] Koel: First time [978.62] Koel: Well, I guess not my first time using FPV for [981.62] Koel: Something like that, but [983.62] Koel: First time ever shooting anything with baseball [985.62] Koel: So that's kind of fun [987.62] Jack: Curry, Caroline Taylor's got back to you [990.62] Jack: Says, is GPS or any other [992.62] Jack: Peripherals [994.62] Jack: Are connected to UOP1 or UOP3 [997.62] Jack: F4, F7, H7 chips [1000.62] Jack: And these peripherals are powered on [1002.62] Jack: Whilst connecting to the USB [1004.62] Jack: The flight controller cannot [1006.62] Jack: Enter DFU mode [1008.62] Jack: Apparently it's related [1010.62] Curry: I read the same thing about [1012.62] Curry: UOP1, and that didn't make a difference [1014.62] Curry: And I can't know what the GPS [1016.62] Curry: I thought the GPS was into like [1018.62] Curry: UOP4 or F5 or something [1020.62] Curry: I couldn't find anything with UOP1 [1022.62] Curry: So basically I'm playing everything [1026.62] Curry: Fortunately, everything was on plugs [1028.62] Curry: And nothing had to be desoldered [1030.62] Curry: That was the main thing [1032.62] Curry: But it was a pain in the ass [1035.62] Curry: What was supposed to be like a five minute job [1037.62] Curry: Was like an hour and a bit [1039.62] Curry: Like, what's happening here? [1040.62] Curry: Why isn't it working? [1041.62] Curry: I know, I'll have to unscrew the whole thing again [1043.62] Curry: Have a look [1045.62] Curry: How come Cole gets to fly in interesting places all the time [1048.62] Curry: And we're like, we went to a field today [1050.62] Curry: And flew around in a circle [1053.62] Koel: I don't know [1055.62] Koel: I guess [1057.62] Koel: I don't know [1059.62] Koel: I guess it's all about [1061.62] Jack: Matty flipped that bridge [1065.62] Jack: Don't do that [1066.62] Koel: Oh, Matty flipped the bridge [1070.62] Koel: What I ended up doing later on [1072.62] Koel: So here was the kind of [1074.62] Koel: Silly thing was like [1076.62] Koel: The director guy was like [1078.62] Koel: I was like, how many batteries should I bring? [1080.62] Koel: It only lasts like maybe four minutes [1082.62] Koel: He's like, bring them all [1084.62] Koel: We're gonna do them all [1085.62] Koel: So I'm like, okay, I got eight batteries [1087.62] Koel: He's like, bring a charger too, we gotta do it all [1090.62] Koel: Well, I only got to fly three packs [1092.62] Koel: And I'm like, well, now I have five more batteries sitting fully charged [1096.62] Koel: So at the end of it, basically we were supposed to do more FPV stuff [1099.62] Koel: After the practice, I only got to fly for the warm-up [1102.62] Koel: Well, there was a game happening after the practice [1105.62] Koel: So the field was taken up by a next [1108.62] Koel: Sort of like, you know, whatever team [1111.62] Koel: So I pretty much had to fly [1114.62] Koel: My batteries to [1117.62] Koel: I basically was just like, okay, I'm gonna fly to storage charge because [1122.62] Koel: That's what you have to do [1124.62] Koel: The worst thing for me is like [1126.62] Koel: You charge up all your batteries, you go out [1129.62] Koel: And then you only fly a couple of them and you gotta go home [1131.62] Koel: Plug them all into the charger and then [1134.62] Koel: Deech or what do you call them, discharge them to storage level [1137.62] Koel: And that just seems to take forever and it's not fun [1142.62] Jack: You can buy a battery discharger [1147.62] Jack: Some people say they don't last that long [1150.62] Jack: No [1151.62] Jack: But basically it's basically a hair dryer [1154.62] Jack: A DC hair dryer with like a fan [1157.62] Jack: And it's like blowing through nycron wire [1160.62] Jack: I think that's how they do it [1163.62] Jack: The way your charger's doing it is through a bank of resistors [1167.62] Jack: And it's blowing the heat over the [1170.62] Jack: If you crack open a charger [1173.62] Jack: There's like big old ceramic resistors [1176.62] Jack: And they just sit there and, you know, soak up [1180.62] Jack: A load of, you know, turning the electricity into heat [1184.62] Koel: Well, that's what I noticed too is, yeah, they get very, very hot after discharge [1189.62] Koel: And it also, it takes, you know, an hour per battery almost [1195.62] Koel: If it's on full charge and I'm just, I mean, I don't have the best battery or anything [1199.62] Koel: But [1200.62] Curry: Steve FPV says he uses halogen bulbs, which is what I used to do [1204.62] Curry: You can bring them down very quickly [1207.62] Curry: But you kind of have to manage that a bit manually [1210.62] Curry: Yeah [1211.62] Curry: And keep your eyes away from them [1213.62] Curry: Because putting the energy through halogen bulbs is like [1216.62] Curry: Wow, it's really bright in here all of a sudden [1218.62] Curry: And they give them up a lot of heat [1220.62] Koel: Yeah [1221.62] Koel: Yeah [1222.62] Koel: So this was, this was my, okay, flight of storage level battery [1227.62] Koel: So I actually ended up flying over the river [1229.62] Koel: And guess what, Curry? [1231.62] Koel: This river is called the Thames River in London, Ontario, Canada [1235.62] Curry: You're trying to rip us off [1237.62] Curry: It's like, this is London, honest [1239.62] Curry: Look, that's where the Thames is [1241.62] Koel: I mean, we are part of the British, whatever, we are Canada [1247.62] Curry: Commonwealth [1248.62] Koel: Yes, that's the term [1250.62] Koel: You have to respect the king [1252.62] Koel: Oh yes, the king now, that's true [1254.62] Koel: Yeah [1255.62] Koel: Weird, oh yeah, it's, that was a big thing [1258.62] Jack: Did you not have to endure any of that coronation bullshit over the weekend? [1262.62] Koel: Well, when you told me coronation, I'm like, what is that? [1266.62] Koel: And then I googled it, and then, yeah, I, no, it's, I'm pretty [1271.62] Koel: It's amazing, isn't it? [1272.62] Jack: I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm a different planet [1275.62] Jack: It's great [1276.62] Koel: I also don't really pay much attention to, you know [1279.62] Jack: I don't blame you [1280.62] Jack: I don't, this is not a digger, you know, it's a digger [1284.62] Koel: You know, one thing that I did find interesting was [1287.62] Koel: Maybe I spoke about this last week, I don't know if I did, but [1290.62] Koel: I put my remote control power output in my OSD [1295.62] Koel: Just because I'm, I was curious to see how the, you know, the dynamic output level on my Tango 2 [1303.62] Koel: How it works out, you know, depending where I am [1305.62] Koel: And it's pretty interesting, actually, the [1309.62] Koel: A lot of times it stays at 25 milliwatt, even when you're pretty far out [1312.62] Koel: But then sometimes when you're behind, you know, maybe a couple trees [1315.62] Koel: It would, you know, go all the way up to like 100 or 250 [1318.62] Koel: It was, it was cool to see at least, at least to be able to see like [1322.62] Koel: What the, what the, what the transmitter is outputting [1326.62] Curry: She's watching this video about the [1330.62] Curry: I'm trying to think of the word now, discharger [1332.62] Jack: I'm trying to think of the word now, discharger [1334.62] Curry: So how much does that cost though? [1337.62] Jack: Uh, do you want [1340.62] Koel: 70 pounds, so like 130 Canadian or about $100 Canadian or more [1345.62] Koel: That's a lot of money for, uh, just to be able to discharge packs [1349.62] Jack: There is, there is cheaper ones [1353.62] Jack: Um, not well, they're kind of 69, the ISDT [1358.62] Jack: FD200 [1362.62] Curry: I've got the very cheapest ones in the world, which are awful [1365.62] Curry: They're these little, they're these tiny [1368.62] Curry: XT60 and XT30 connections, you just plug them in [1371.62] Curry: And it's like, this is, this will discharge your battery [1374.62] Curry: It's like, yes, over a period of about 60 hours [1377.62] Curry: It will eventually discharge down, because that's got an even smaller [1380.62] Curry: tinier little ceramic capacitor, whatever it uses to [1384.62] Curry: convert into heat, so it's like, yeah [1387.62] Curry: Six days later, your battery's back to storage [1390.62] Koel: The annoying thing was, is like, I flew my packs down to storage last night [1394.62] Koel: But by the time I got home, I'm on 4S, they were at like [1397.62] Koel: 15.8, so I'm like, damn it [1400.62] Koel: I need to still go down a few, uh, you know, a few, so [1403.62] Koel: I put it on the charger, and I'm sitting there, it's like [1406.62] Koel: Okay, 10, 20 minutes goes by, has gone down like none [1409.62] Koel: So I just basically plugged my battery into one of my quads [1412.62] Koel: I had no props on it, and I just like, [1415.62] Koel: blipped the throttle a bunch of times, and, you know, just [1418.62] Koel: killed a bit of power that way, and then [1421.62] Koel: then it was at storage, and then [1424.62] Koel: everyone lived happily ever after [1426.62] Koel: Did you guys ever do that? Just plug it into your quad and [1433.56] Koel: just, you know, play with your motors a bit to, uh, [1436.56] Koel: no, is that bad to do, or does it matter? [1439.56] Curry: I just have them on my charger last time, like [1443.81] Curry: playing a game or something, and then I'm sat right here [1446.81] Curry: and then like, beep beep beep, okay, next one [1449.81] Curry: Sometimes it takes a couple of days to get them down, but [1452.81] Curry: I think, generally, it's like [1455.81] Curry: if I'm, I seem to have acquired the knack of getting [1458.81] Curry: quite close, so if I fly each battery down to about [1461.81] Curry: 3.5 volts per cell [1464.81] Curry: when I'm under power, and then land, they pop up to around [1467.81] Curry: 3.8, 3.85, and then there's a little bit [1470.81] Curry: to go, and that's pretty easy then [1473.81] Jack: So this is in Canadian dollars [1477.81] Koel: Oh, 80 bucks, yeah [1479.81] Curry: Oh, there's the s***y one, second one there, the four [1482.81] Curry: lipo battery discharger, that's what happens if you don't [1485.81] Curry: mind waiting six days [1487.81] Jack: Is that how long it takes? [1489.81] Curry: Literally, I looked at it and I was like, this is not working [1492.81] Curry: The power's coming off, and then two days later it's like, no, it's [1495.81] Curry: dropped a whole volt now [1497.81] Jack: Gavin Ferry, a friend of the show, binary [1500.81] Jack: throttle, who done the, sort of like [1503.81] Jack: whoop flying, the mini air show [1507.81] Jack: The hobby fly digital lipo battery [1511.81] Jack: capacity checker, balanced discharger [1514.81] Jack: for storage and voltage [1517.81] Jack: meeting testing servo [1520.81] Jack: He had one of those [1523.81] Jack: one of those things, and you can use it to like [1526.81] Jack: balance really out of [1529.81] Jack: balanced cells, so you just plug it in, and it would just sit there [1532.81] Jack: and gently tick away to get everything [1535.81] Jack: back up to, you know, so that the [1538.81] Jack: battery's nice and balanced, and [1541.81] Jack: it was pretty good, but I just find it really difficult [1544.81] Jack: to get hold of those [1546.81] Jack: here in jolly England [1549.81] Curry: There's five left in stock right now, Jack [1552.81] Curry: Yeah, it's America though [1554.81] Curry: Oh, that's no good [1556.81] Jack: Oh my god, black versions of [1560.81] Jack: the [1562.81] Jack: B6 [1564.81] Curry: The B6 was everyone's first charger, surely [1567.81] Curry: Yeah, I mean, they were the only people [1570.81] Koel: Well, I have a question for you, how come some [1573.81] Koel: charger's storage value is 3.8, and some [1576.81] Koel: is 3.85, because the 3.85 [1579.81] Koel: ones, it's 15.4 on a 4S pack when you're at storage [1582.81] Koel: whereas the 3.8's is 15.2 [1585.81] Curry: It seems to be like there's no [1588.81] Curry: weed value there, I've noticed this as well, and [1591.81] Curry: in the chargers that do 3.8 [1594.81] Curry: per cell for storage, they also do 3.85 [1597.81] Curry: for high voltage [1599.81] Curry: batteries [1601.81] Curry: Which I've always just stuck to [1604.81] Curry: But yeah, I've got a couple that says, oh, you want storage, you want 3.85 [1607.81] Curry: Now I don't want 3.8 to go and change it [1610.81] Koel: But you know what, I actually [1613.81] Koel: prefer 3.85 because when I want to charge [1616.81] Koel: I have that little bit of extra voltage on there [1619.81] Jack: 0.5 of a volt, like [1622.81] Koel: Oh, 15.2, 15.4, yeah, it's like [1625.81] Jack: Well, mind you, it's like half [1628.81] Jack: a volt per each cell, isn't it really? [1631.81] Jack: All that's up, I will shut my mouth [1634.81] Koel: Well, I find that it actually [1637.81] Koel: it saves my charging time by like [1640.81] Koel: you know, maybe [1642.81] Koel: maybe 5 or 10 minutes, I don't know, that might be a stretch [1646.81] Jack: So, Cole, you've been flying for a while now [1649.81] Jack: and you still remember [1652.81] Jack: normy life [1654.81] Koel: Yes, what DJI life you mean? [1657.81] Jack: Well, we won't talk about that, you know [1660.81] Jack: We won't name names, OK [1663.81] Jack: You served your time as a potential [1666.81] Jack: wronger [1668.81] Jack: Now you're cleared of all your charges [1671.81] Jack: No, but [1674.81] Jack: what do you find [1677.81] Jack: if any [1680.81] Jack: like aspects of the hobby that have improved your normal life [1683.81] Jack: like for me [1686.81] Jack: having isopropyl alcohol [1689.81] Jack: just kicking around is so handy [1692.81] Koel: Sorry, before I get into that question [1695.81] Koel: I will do a thing that we can laugh about [1698.81] Jack: Can I have an Oreo cookie? [1700.81] Koel: Have an Oreo cookie and we'll have a laugh [1703.81] Koel: So, remember I said two days ago I went out to test my gear [1706.81] Koel: to make sure it was good for yesterday, right? [1708.81] Koel: Well, I brought my original Mavic Pro [1711.81] Koel: like the OG, OG Mavic Pro out [1713.81] Koel: because I was like, huh, I haven't flown this since I went to UK last [1717.81] Koel: and I crashed it on the beach, I think we talked about it a long time ago [1720.81] Koel: Well, I don't know if I told you guys [1723.81] Koel: that I got some free spare parts from a [1726.81] Koel: local DJI repair center [1729.81] Koel: because I had a broken little foot and [1732.81] Koel: bottom plate was cracked and stuff [1735.81] Koel: I wanted to try it again, I haven't flown it in over a year [1738.81] Koel: well, about a year [1741.81] Koel: So I flew my FPV, I flew my quads [1744.81] Koel: and then I flew my Mavic Pro [1747.81] Koel: I used to fly Mavics with my thumbs [1750.81] Koel: I used to be a thumb [1751.81] Koel: Well, now I fly as a pincher with a Mavic [1754.81] Koel: because I can't fly with thumbs anymore [1757.81] Koel: But the only drone that I crashed yesterday [1760.81] Koel: two days ago was my Mavic, I actually crashed my Mavic again [1763.81] Koel: because I'm trying to fly it like an FPV drone [1766.81] Koel: and go through gaps and then it's just [1768.81] Jack: I'm fighting it all the way [1770.81] Koel: It's the worst, there's no control on those things [1773.81] Koel: and it's terrible [1775.81] Curry: Oh, there's no control on those things [1778.81] Curry: Let go and it sits there [1780.81] Koel: No, the wind, the wind, okay [1782.81] Koel: So I do have video if you do want to see this crash [1786.81] Jack: He needs to tell you about the badfic argument between me and him [1790.81] Koel: Okay, so, so here [1792.81] Jack: Actually, it started in my room, didn't it? [1794.81] Jack: and then went all the way to [1796.81] Koel: So pre-me even ever flying FPV or even caring what FPV was [1802.81] Koel: Jack was trying to put me onto it and say [1804.81] Koel: Look at this cool thing and you can do this [1807.81] Koel: and you're in full control, it's manual and da-da-da [1810.81] Koel: I'm like, you're not in control that man [1812.81] Koel: I got so much control on my DJI drone [1815.81] Koel: I'm like, little did I know that I would be eating my words [1819.81] Koel: and biting my tongue all these years later [1822.81] Koel: Well, I guess a couple of years later [1825.81] Koel: That was embarrassing because yeah [1828.81] Koel: Man, I don't like the controls on DJI drones [1831.81] Koel: Yes, forward, backwards, left, right, pan, tilt, great [1835.81] Koel: That's about it, but don't try to fly it through gaps [1838.81] Koel: unless it's like a really small one [1843.15] Curry: Well, a really small gap, so you shouldn't go for the big gaps [1846.15] Koel: No, I mean small drone [1849.15] Curry: I still don't understand [1853.15] Curry: Have you turned into a regular punter now? [1855.15] Curry: Because whenever I see these DJI drones just been sold [1860.15] Curry: and I remember every time they launch a new one [1863.15] Curry: I go searching for people that have somehow crashed them [1866.15] Curry: They come in with more sensors [1868.15] Curry: so you can't just ram them into things [1870.15] Curry: and they tell you when you're close to the ground and stuff [1874.15] Curry: I don't know how you're crashing them [1876.15] Curry: I mean, if you're trying to go through gaps [1878.15] Curry: pretending it's an FPV cord, I can get that [1880.15] Jack: Hang on, I'm going to... [1882.15] Jack: I'm so sorry [1884.15] Jack: I think it's because he's flying it in sport mode [1887.15] Jack: because if he doesn't, he now flies FPV [1891.15] Jack: and will be in a coma by the time he gets anywhere [1894.15] Koel: No, okay, so here's what it is [1897.15] Curry: Let me just say, it's different [1900.15] Curry: As soon as you pick up a DJI drone and start flying it [1903.15] Curry: it's like, okay, we're just moving our camera along [1906.15] Curry: and we're gently getting this lovely viewpoint [1909.15] Curry: and that's it, I don't know how you could like [1911.15] Curry: Oh man, I've got to rip this and I've got to try and loop it somehow [1914.15] Jack: Name defend himself [1916.15] Koel: Go on then [1918.15] Koel: 99.9999 to the infinity nines [1922.15] Koel: of people flying DJI drones are putting it up [1925.15] Koel: like a hundred feet in the air [1928.15] Koel: where there's nothing around them [1931.15] Koel: I do fly a quad like that sometimes still [1935.15] Koel: but I will show you what happened [1938.15] Koel: It's hilarious, I almost crashed it into the garbage can [1941.15] Koel: which was the funniest thing [1944.15] Jack: Okay, here we go [1946.15] Koel: No [1948.15] Koel: No purpose, okay, here we go [1950.15] Koel: and I put my Mavic into portrait mode [1952.15] Koel: because I was like, oh [1954.15] Koel: we're going to make some Instagram reels today [1957.15] Koel: I mean, so am I [1960.15] Curry: I'm going to get one TikTok [1962.15] Koel: Yup, yup [1963.15] Koel: Okay, so I have a Mini 2 and it doesn't do portrait mode [1966.15] Koel: but I have the original Mavic from like 2016 and it does it [1969.15] Koel: So I'm all lined up, it's all good [1972.15] Koel: I'm going to hit the gap, fine [1974.15] Koel: Watch this [1975.15] Koel: Well, it starts going to the left so I stop [1977.15] Koel: and then hit the ping ping and then the video stops [1979.15] Koel: for some reason, I don't know why [1981.15] Jack: But the thing is [1983.15] Curry: Even if you made it [1985.15] Curry: it would have looked s*** [1987.15] Curry: because you're going through that gap [1989.15] Curry: at a walking pace and it might as well just have been [1991.15] Curry: someone carrying a camera [1993.15] Curry: If you're going to zip through that, that's an FPV drone [1995.15] Curry: If you're going to use a DJI [1997.15] Curry: use a DJI drone what is good for [1999.15] Curry: which is like going high up [2001.15] Curry: Did you break it? [2002.15] Curry: Yes, circling around things [2004.15] Koel: Just the props and then I had to like [2006.15] Koel: calibrate the gimbal afterwards [2008.15] Koel: but it was fine [2009.15] Jack: Can you go back there and [2011.15] Jack: get that gap with your FPV quad? [2013.15] Jack: Oh, I already did [2015.15] Jack: Any shred of dignity [2017.15] Jack: Alright, find that [2019.15] Jack: Did you see that? [2021.15] Koel: Oh, sorry, go on Jack [2023.15] Jack: Yeah, the retail job [2025.15] Jack: because not only has Cole [2027.15] Jack: served his time with [2029.15] Jack: you know, me ripping him an arsehole [2031.15] Jack: but he's also had to deal with [2033.15] Jack: his own custom [2035.15] Koel: Yeah, we shouldn't say any [2037.15] Koel: company names probably though [2039.15] Jack: Yeah, fair enough [2041.15] Jack: Can you think of a rhyming [2043.15] Jack: big box store? [2045.15] Jack: Am I allowed to say that? [2047.15] Koel: Maybe [2049.15] Jack: CrestCry [2051.15] Jack: No! [2053.15] Koel: I used to work for a company that may have sounded like [2055.15] Koel: CrestCry [2057.15] Koel: So wait, what's the point of this topic though? [2059.15] Jack: Well, you've had to [2061.15] Jack: sell things to [2063.15] Jack: the average punter [2065.15] Jack: Oh yeah [2067.15] Jack: You know, like, why would you [2069.15] Jack: want this new drone? You know, what? [2071.15] Jack: Bloody, bloody, blah [2073.15] Jack: You know [2075.15] Koel: Yeah, well, let's just say this [2077.15] Koel: I did have to [2079.15] Koel: stop a few [2081.15] Koel: like, mothers [2083.15] Koel: trying to buy the [2085.15] Koel: Mavic 2 Pro for their 10 year old son [2087.15] Koel: Oh [2089.15] Koel: I was like, no, sorry [2091.15] Koel: like [2093.15] Koel: there are some other drones and there are some toys [2095.15] Koel: but, yeah, you're not like [2097.15] Koel: it was so funny [2099.15] Koel: this one lady was trying to like [2101.15] Koel: she was like yelling at her like [2103.15] Koel: no, don't say it's not for you [2105.15] Koel: I'm like, yeah, sorry, I'm not selling you a Mavic 2 Pro [2107.15] Koel: for your 10 year old [2109.15] Koel: I mean, sure, I could have made a sale but [2111.15] Koel: that's just not [2113.15] Koel: that's not a thing [2115.15] Curry: That sounds like something your store manager would have been against [2117.15] Curry: it's like, Kyle, why are you not [2119.15] Curry: selling this drone when someone's coming [2121.15] Curry: wanting to buy this drone? Why are you refusing [2123.15] Curry: to sell this to a customer? [2125.15] Curry: Because, like [2127.15] Koel: the kid was like [2129.15] Koel: I don't even think he was 10 years old [2131.15] Koel: he was like 7 years old [2133.15] Curry: You kind of feel like a gatekeeper [2135.15] Curry: on a sort of pretentious [2137.15] Curry: DVD seller [2139.15] Curry: No, I'm not selling you this copy of [2141.15] Curry: insert pretentious title here, you wouldn't understand [2143.15] Curry: it, it's not for you [2145.15] Curry: No, your 10 year old [2147.15] Curry: can't have this drone [2149.15] Jack: It's kind of like selling a car [2151.15] Jack: to someone who's just under [2153.15] Jack: you know, like, just under the legal [2155.15] Jack: age to drive [2157.15] Koel: It's like selling a Porsche [2159.15] Koel: to a 16 year old [2161.15] Curry: Well, is it [2163.15] Curry: or is it like selling a Porsche to [2165.15] Curry: the parent of a 16 year old [2167.15] Curry: and saying, oh well, you do with it what you like [2169.15] Curry: I think my moral compass [2171.15] Koel: is slightly different [2173.15] Koel: The regulations even [2175.15] Koel: is like, you know [2177.15] Jack: Hang on, sorry, yeah, what [2180.15] Koel: Well, okay, so [2182.15] Koel: there are a lot of rules [2184.15] Koel: as everybody knows about certain things [2186.15] Koel: and [2188.15] Koel: you kind of know when [2190.15] Koel: when this type of product [2192.15] Koel: should be in the [2194.15] Koel: I don't know, maybe I'm being a gatekeeper [2196.15] Koel: maybe I'm being whatever, but like [2198.15] Koel: something felt morally wrong about [2200.15] Koel: selling a Mavic 2 Pro to a [2202.15] Koel: 10 year old kid, like whether it's his [2204.15] Curry: mom or not [2205.15] Curry: Was he buying it or was the parent buying it? [2207.15] Curry: It doesn't matter [2209.15] Curry: It does matter [2211.15] Koel: Does it though? [2213.15] Curry: I think so [2214.15] Koel: So would you, would you [2216.15] Koel: Would you be an expert conscious? [2218.15] Curry: The answer is yes [2219.15] Curry: Really? [2220.15] Curry: I don't give two shit [2221.15] Curry: Most of the time I don't get anything [2223.15] Koel: Sorry? [2225.15] Jack: What happens if they're with a dad [2227.15] Jack: and you didn't know and you just assumed [2229.15] Jack: it's all the dad [2231.15] Koel: Well, if the kid's like, woohoo [2233.15] Koel: mommy I'm getting my new drone, I'm getting my new drone [2235.15] Koel: This is like, not even like half a meter in height [2237.15] Koel: you know, it's a Mavic 2 Pro [2239.15] Koel: Just, I don't know [2241.15] Koel: Again, that's just my opinion [2243.15] Jack: I mean that's a lot of money [2245.15] Jack: for a [2246.15] Jack: like, young kid as well [2248.15] Koel: I think a little DJ I tell-o [2250.15] Koel: If it was a tell-o, I'd say [2251.15] Koel: Bob's your uncle, go ahead [2253.15] Koel: but like, it just seems like [2255.15] Koel: You're not allowed to have this [2257.15] Curry: it's too expensive to you [2259.15] Curry: I am the heart compass of this store [2261.15] Curry: Nothing to do with the money [2263.15] Koel: had nothing to do with the cost of it [2265.15] Koel: I don't care what people buy [2267.15] Jack: Probably get that kid out of jail [2269.15] Frank: This episode was recorded [2271.15] Frank: in front of a live online audience [2273.15] Frank: downloaded and edited to make sense [2275.15] Frank: when it played audio only [2277.15] Frank: censored to please the iTunes people [2279.15] Frank: hosted on the internet, forwarded through to your podcast provider [2281.15] Frank: downloaded, playing on your device [2283.15] Frank: and is now playing in your ears [2285.15] Frank: all thanks to our Patreons [2287.15] Frank: Consider joining them and you'll also get [2289.15] Frank: other online benefits [2291.15] Frank: at patreon.com [2295.15] Jack: I found an interesting [2297.15] Jack: article from Oscar Lang [2299.15] Jack: how to make your own [2301.15] Jack: DIY battery discharger [2303.15] Jack: out of a resistor in XD60 [2305.15] Jack: That's good [2307.15] Curry: but you want one that cuts off for you [2309.15] Curry: when it stops [2311.15] Curry: or when it gets the storage charge [2313.15] Jack: Yeah, true, you need some [2315.15] Jack: sort of smart tech in there [2317.15] Curry: I'll just go back [2319.15] Curry: to another retail story [2321.15] Curry: and maybe I was just [2323.15] Curry: too good at my job [2325.15] Curry: but when I worked in a company [2327.15] Curry: called Officeworld, I can mention their name [2329.15] Curry: because they don't exist anymore [2331.15] Curry: So whilst working in this store [2333.15] Curry: we had these little boxes connected to the printers [2335.15] Curry: so I could press a button and a print [2337.15] Curry: would come out because it didn't have computers [2339.15] Curry: connected [2341.15] Curry: So I was showing this man this [2343.15] Curry: printer and I was pressing the buttons [2345.15] Curry: I said, oh you see, you can print this [2347.15] Curry: and he's like, yeah, I'm going to buy that [2349.15] Curry: and he's like [2351.15] Curry: when I get the box [2353.15] Curry: I can press the buttons [2355.15] Curry: I was like [2357.15] Curry: no, it does more than just that [2359.15] Curry: but you have to connect it to your computer [2361.15] Curry: and he's like, oh [2363.15] Curry: I still sold it to him [2365.15] Curry: I don't know if he ever used it or just got confused [2367.15] Curry: it wouldn't print out little pictures from buttons [2369.15] Koel: Okay, so back to my [2371.15] Koel: you know [2373.15] Koel: you saw the fiasco with the DJI [2376.15] Jack: Is this soccer grounds? [2378.15] Jack: Is this like football? [2380.15] Koel: Yeah, this is the soccer field [2382.15] Koel: and then there's baseball fields in the back [2384.15] Koel: so [2387.43] Koel: Let's see [2388.43] Koel: I think this is without stabilization too [2390.43] Koel: This is when I was testing the non-stabilization [2394.43] Koel: Oh, did I go too far by your point? [2396.43] Jack: Oh, calm down Sharpie [2398.43] Jack: So Cole just [2400.43] Jack: rips through a goal post [2402.43] Koel: Oh, that's easy [2404.43] Koel: It's coming up guys, here we go [2406.43] Koel: hitting the gap [2408.43] Jack: Oh, yeah, hitting the gap like crash [2410.43] Jack: Cole's now trying to go through a little [2412.43] Jack: a little shed gap [2414.43] Jack: Oh, look at that [2416.43] Koel: Easy as butter, can't do it with a DJI drone though [2418.43] Curry: Well, it wouldn't have looked good on DJI [2420.43] Curry: would it? Because it's so pedestrian [2422.43] Curry: Yeah [2424.43] Curry: The right tools for the right [2426.43] Curry: problems, I suppose [2428.43] Jack: Yeah [2430.43] Jack: Oh, hey Doro [2432.43] Jack: Was it Doro in red earlier? [2434.43] Jack: Yep [2436.43] Koel: No, no, no [2438.43] Koel: That's a different human on a different day [2440.43] Koel: at a different location [2442.43] Curry: Now, did you guys watch the [2444.43] Curry: because I noticed you got [2446.43] Curry: Dorophy there [2448.43] Curry: Did you guys see the latest [2450.43] Curry: long range [2452.43] Curry: Falcon Red, is it? [2454.43] Curry: Yes, I did watch that [2456.43] Curry: I noticed whilst I was watching [2458.43] Curry: that his wife was there [2460.43] Curry: and she took out a notepad and she [2462.43] Curry: would write down [2464.43] Curry: battery voltage information [2466.43] Curry: Everything like that [2468.43] Curry: I was making people watch some of it [2470.43] Curry: I said, why don't you ever [2472.43] Curry: do this? [2474.43] Curry: She said some rude words to me [2476.43] Koel: One thing I noticed in that video was [2478.43] Koel: out of nowhere randomly [2480.43] Koel: the woman in the [2482.43] Koel: video, I'm not sure who it is specifically [2484.43] Koel: to him, but she would [2486.43] Koel: randomly put her hand on his shoulder [2488.43] Koel: I feel like if I was flying long range [2490.43] Koel: and a mysterious hand [2492.43] Koel: appeared on my shoulder, I'd probably [2494.43] Koel: crap my pants [2496.43] Curry: Was it that mysterious? Because she was [2498.43] Curry: sat right behind him [2500.43] Curry: I thought it was just [2502.43] Curry: a bit of moral support [2504.43] Jack: I thought that's quite nice [2506.43] Jack: Doro, do this a favour [2508.43] Koel: Put your hand on Cole's shoulder [2510.43] Koel: while he's flying kilometers away [2512.43] Curry: Make a bear noise [2514.43] Koel: Make a bear noise [2516.43] Koel: Make a bear noise [2520.43] Koel: I did notice that [2522.43] Koel: That was a crazy video [2524.43] Koel: He went out pretty far [2526.43] Koel: On one of his dives [2528.43] Koel: he got some DJI [2530.43] Koel: stutter on the 03 [2532.43] Curry: He just said the 03 just frees [2534.43] Curry: It was only for about half a second [2536.43] Curry: but that's a bit scary that far away [2538.43] Curry: without any chance of recovery [2540.43] Koel: Whatsoever [2542.43] Koel: That does, I will say [2544.43] Koel: that his videos [2546.43] Koel: are highly enticing me [2548.43] Koel: to go digital [2550.43] Koel: for long range [2552.43] Koel: because it looks like he flies [2554.43] Koel: Crossfire and 03 Air Unit [2556.43] Koel: and man [2558.43] Koel: it looks beautiful [2560.43] Koel: One thing I always find funny though [2562.43] Koel: is when guys have like [2564.43] Koel: an HD cam, but then they have [2566.43] Koel: DJI [2568.43] Koel: DVR, it looks the same [2570.43] Koel: It's both digital [2572.43] Koel: It doesn't look that [2574.43] Koel: different and it's not like there's a ton of [2576.43] Koel: OSD either [2578.43] Koel: I guess it depends what you're flying [2580.43] Curry: It did look really nice [2582.43] Curry: It does, yeah [2584.43] Curry: I think you're slightly spoiled there [2586.43] Curry: by like, okay, I can [2588.43] Curry: literally go up this [2590.43] Curry: mountain through these [2592.43] Curry: waterfalls [2594.43] Curry: and then through some snow onto a glacier [2596.43] Curry: and no one's around for [2598.43] Curry: miles and it's this beautiful [2600.43] Curry: straight line straight upwards [2602.43] Curry: and you always know that when you're coming down [2604.43] Curry: you've got more battery than you went up [2606.43] Curry: He's kind of sport there [2608.43] Curry: It's like, if we did that, it'd just be like [2610.43] Curry: here's some houses, some more houses [2612.43] Curry: there's a field and we're coming back again [2614.43] Curry: which was what most long range [2616.43] Curry: videos look like in the UK [2618.43] Curry: It's just like, fly out, turn around, come back [2620.43] Koel: and it's all a bit done [2622.43] Curry: Yeah, but there he was [2624.43] Curry: He doesn't get the hassle of having to [2626.43] Curry: sort of like [2628.43] Curry: go higher and higher up as you're going further out [2630.43] Curry: because he was going higher and higher up [2632.43] Curry: but he was still close to [2634.43] Curry: the local [2636.43] Curry: ground [2638.43] Koel: Yeah, it's not like he has to go like [2640.43] Koel: crazy high above the terrain, right? [2642.43] Koel: He was basically [2644.43] Koel: He's out in BC I think [2646.43] Koel: British Columbia [2648.43] Koel: here in Canada [2650.43] Koel: It's pretty inspiring [2652.43] Koel: actually to see his long range stuff [2654.43] Koel: My next build [2656.43] Koel: is going to be a long range build [2658.43] Koel: and [2660.43] Koel: I don't know, it's really weird [2662.43] Koel: so like [2664.43] Curry: Oh, nice [2666.43] Curry: What is that? [2668.43] Curry: This is a Chimera 7 [2670.43] Curry: so the iFlight 1 [2672.43] Curry: but I've just installed walks now on it [2674.43] Curry: to test out, so that's going to be [2676.43] Curry: once it stops raining [2678.43] Curry: we go test that and see how it does [2680.43] Curry: and you can examine the [2682.43] Curry: gravity of what my boring [2684.43] Curry: fields look like in HD [2686.43] Koel: I'm sure it'll help a bit [2688.43] Koel: at least get an idea [2690.43] Koel: One thing that I was wondering though [2692.43] Koel: I don't know [2694.43] Koel: I don't know if there's like an issue with my [2696.43] Koel: build or if there's [2698.43] Koel: if it's just me flying behind stuff [2700.43] Koel: but I mean [2702.43] Koel: 500 milliwatts on analog [2704.43] Koel: should be more than enough to [2706.43] Koel: send you out pretty good distance [2708.43] Koel: if you have line of sight [2710.43] Koel: and as long as there's not [2712.43] Koel: a lot of interference and stuff [2716.43] Koel: but there's no [2718.43] Koel: hard [2720.43] Koel: if you have this much [2722.43] Koel: output power you can fly this far [2724.43] Koel: it really depends on where you are [2726.43] Koel: right? [2728.43] Curry: Yeah, and how high you are [2730.43] Curry: off the ground [2732.43] Curry: back in the olden days [2734.43] Curry: it used to be a case of [2736.43] Curry: I'll go 100 meters up for every [2738.43] Curry: kilometer you're out [2740.43] Curry: flying planes and stuff but [2742.43] Curry: that would break the [2744.43] Curry: height rule certainly [2746.43] Curry: Where's he gone? [2748.43] Koel: It's a supervisor [2750.43] Curry: robot come back [2752.43] Curry: but yeah [2754.43] Curry: nowadays it's kind of like [2758.43] Curry: there is a [2760.43] Curry: certain effect of the atmospheric [2762.43] Curry: conditions there can be and [2764.43] Curry: certainly you can go through different [2766.43] Curry: zones of how good [2768.43] Curry: the signal is or isn't [2770.43] Curry: no fear of clouds with GoPro Hero 11 [2774.43] Curry: I don't know this one [2776.43] Jack: I don't know is it worth a subscribe? [2778.43] Jack: It looks incredible [2780.43] Jack: thank you Caroline [2782.43] Jack: Caroline shared this video [2784.43] Jack: we're watching I guess a mountain [2786.43] Jack: climbing and diving [2788.43] Curry: oh that's cool [2790.43] Jack: got the lovely colored [2792.43] Jack: OSD as well [2794.43] Jack: nice [2796.43] Jack: digital for the win [2798.43] Koel: thank you [2800.43] Koel: that looks amazing [2803.78] Curry: this is pretty funky [2805.78] Curry: I guess it looks good man [2807.78] Koel: low cloud as well [2809.78] Curry: low cloud is an interesting [2811.78] Curry: one because that can be a real [2813.78] Curry: blocker on regular 5.8 [2815.78] Curry: because it's like you know how 5.8 [2817.78] Curry: doesn't like water and basically [2819.78] Jack: you've got like a [2821.78] Curry: well [2823.78] Curry: I mean 5.8 is worse because it's a higher [2825.78] Curry: frequency if you get a lower frequency [2827.78] Curry: it's better but [2829.78] Curry: certainly going through clouds can be [2831.78] Curry: interesting but this seems to be holding [2833.78] Curry: up really well doesn't it [2835.78] Koel: and this is [2837.78] Koel: HD0 is it or [2839.78] Curry: it's definitely not HD0 [2841.78] Curry: I can't see all flickers everywhere [2843.78] Jack: DGI V2 [2845.78] Koel: oh geez wow oh so it must have like the [2847.78] Koel: WTF or something on it I guess [2849.78] Jack: what the fuss [2851.78] Jack: I don't know what the fuss is [2853.78] Jack: I don't know [2855.78] Jack: but then again you've got that different [2857.78] Jack: maybe can you what the fuss V2s [2859.78] Jack: I don't know [2861.78] Koel: I'm pretty sure [2868.16] Koel: I want to get your guys opinion on [2870.16] Koel: how this [2872.16] Koel: DVR looks because [2874.16] Jack: I made the mistake of updating [2876.16] Jack: my beat of flight quad and now [2878.16] Jack: smart audio does not [2880.16] Curry: work [2882.16] Curry: it is a nightmare [2884.16] Curry: is it detecting it as version 2 or version 2.1 [2886.16] Curry: it's [2888.16] Jack: Tramp actually [2890.16] Jack: oh yeah we talked about that [2892.16] Jack: Tramp is just something better [2894.16] Jack: Tramp [2896.16] Koel: so yeah [2898.16] Koel: this battery was almost [2900.16] Koel: uncharged [2902.16] Jack: at least the [2904.16] Jack: video fits nicely in this [2906.16] Koel: format [2908.16] Koel: the CAT 2 [2910.16] Koel: is so good in low [2912.16] Koel: light it's ridiculous [2914.16] Koel: this is when I was like [2916.16] Koel: trying to get my packs to storage level [2918.16] Koel: but like [2920.16] Jack: I just like to remind everyone [2922.16] Jack: this is an ultra [2924.16] Jack: kiss ultra [2926.16] Jack: over a body of water [2928.16] Jack: just like no f**ks given [2930.16] Koel: well you know what [2932.16] Koel: I kind of know the limits [2934.16] Koel: now [2936.16] Koel: I know I can trust my gear [2938.16] Koel: so I'm not scared [2940.16] Koel: I'm not as scared [2942.16] Koel: you know I try to keep it with my limits [2944.16] Jack: that is interesting [2946.16] Jack: though the 25 milliwatt [2948.16] Koel: yeah I wanted to see [2950.16] Koel: transmission power [2952.16] Koel: or TX power is still at 25 milliwatt [2954.16] Koel: is there [2956.16] Jack: being many updates because I have not [2958.16] Jack: been following the [2960.16] Koel: I haven't checked [2962.16] Koel: but like so why [2964.16] Koel: any idea why I'd be getting this random [2966.16] Koel: is that just normal this random flickering [2968.16] Koel: or does that seem fine [2970.16] Curry: you are it's a bit tricky because [2972.16] Curry: you are over houses there and so [2974.16] Curry: there's probably [2976.16] Curry: noisy crap coming up from all of those [2978.16] Curry: which is going to do some stuff [2980.16] Curry: it's not a particular interference [2982.16] Jack: pattern [2984.16] Jack: is figuring out [2986.16] Jack: whether to switch to dark [2988.16] Jack: mode or stay in colour [2990.16] Koel: oh is it really? [2992.16] Jack: yeah and you wouldn't have noticed [2994.16] Jack: that on like the [2996.16] Jack: swift [2998.16] Jack: twos because if you go into the [3000.16] Jack: menu it's set to lock [3002.16] Jack: in colour but obviously you've [3004.16] Jack: paid all this money for [3006.16] Jack: this night vision camera [3008.16] Jack: so it's kind of like I think [3010.16] Jack: it's on the cusp or flicking [3012.16] Jack: between the both [3014.16] Jack: of them see how [3016.16] Jack: look at the sky [3018.16] Jack: look at how it's like getting [3020.16] Jack: rid of like the colour data [3022.16] Jack: and putting it back [3024.16] Jack: that's what leads me I could be wrong [3026.16] Jack: totally talking out my arsehole [3028.16] Jack: but that's what I believe it is [3030.16] Jack: because you notice it's kind of like [3032.16] Jack: flicking between the two of them [3034.16] Jack: and why would interference [3036.16] Jack: do that? [3038.16] Jack: it wouldn't the lines across it is [3040.16] Jack: interference [3042.16] Koel: so I went again but [3044.16] Koel: I don't know [3046.16] Koel: it's definitely odd but [3048.16] Koel: I mean [3050.16] Jack: but now it's more grey [3052.16] Koel: well no the sun was going down [3054.16] Koel: so there was less light over there [3056.16] Curry: I do need to do the same test [3058.16] Curry: in a less urban area and see if you get [3060.16] Curry: a different result [3062.16] Koel: go out into the country middle of nowhere [3064.16] Koel: yeah [3066.16] Koel: but I mean otherwise [3068.16] Koel: for analog video [3070.16] Koel: not bad I guess [3072.16] Curry: it's okay I mean [3074.16] Curry: you can see noise around the grass and stuff [3076.16] Curry: but you're flying at low light so it's [3078.16] Curry: going to be [3080.16] Curry: I suppose you need to test it in the right condition so if you've got [3082.16] Curry: a clear bright day in the middle [3084.16] Curry: of nowhere you should be able to fly out [3086.16] Curry: a decent distance without getting [3088.16] Curry: any sort of noise or [3090.16] Curry: flashing and stuff. Some cameras react [3092.16] Curry: a bit funny to [3094.16] Curry: bright sky and stuff and they [3096.16] Curry: change a bit but you shouldn't get the [3098.16] Curry: flicker back of the different colours and things [3100.16] Koel: yeah on the last [3102.16] Koel: DVR that I showed [3104.16] Koel: the last battery [3106.16] Koel: it was [3108.16] Koel: I was behind myself a bit but [3110.16] Koel: right now I'm kind of beside myself [3112.16] Koel: and now I'm behind myself [3114.16] Koel: sort of like behind [3116.16] Koel: into the side so I'm [3118.16] Koel: getting worse video or whatever [3120.16] Koel: but I mean it's still totally flyable [3122.16] Koel: it's just like [3125.89] Koel: now I'm just kind of getting but [3127.89] Koel: yeah I guess [3129.89] Koel: it doesn't appear like there's any issues [3131.89] Koel: though right like it does seem [3133.89] Koel: fairly normal I guess [3135.89] Curry: yeah it's fairly normal it's always hard to say [3137.89] Curry: because of the area you're in [3139.89] Curry: yeah there's plenty of stuff around there [3141.89] Curry: and there's you know you're standing [3143.89] Curry: next to big metal objects as well [3145.89] Koel: I am yeah like a batting cage [3147.89] Koel: and yeah [3149.89] Koel: that's true [3151.89] Koel: okay well that's good to know I was [3153.89] Koel: just curious and yeah [3155.89] Koel: the whole TX power thing it is [3157.89] Koel: kind of cool just to see but [3159.89] Curry: yeah that's interesting [3161.89] Curry: I normally just fly my [3163.89] Curry: I mean what is this crossfire [3165.89] Koel: is it? yeah [3167.89] Curry: because I normally just put ERS on like [3169.89] Curry: 100 milliwatts and just leave it there and I know [3171.89] Curry: it's ranged for days I've [3173.89] Curry: never put it on dynamic to see what happens [3175.89] Curry: huh [3177.89] Koel: the [3179.89] Koel: the one person I was with there she was [3181.89] Koel: like oh I'm surprised it's not that loud [3183.89] Koel: and then I just like punched out and I was like [3185.89] Koel: no that's [3187.89] Koel: not it can get loud [3189.89] Jack: but [3191.89] Jack: Frank says yeah you can be six meters [3193.89] Jack: away from any metal [3195.89] Jack: will help [3197.89] Koel: so yeah that was [3199.89] Koel: my fun so yeah [3201.89] Koel: it is very surprising though just how [3203.89] Koel: well that thing can see in the dark [3205.89] Koel: it's a pretty powerful little [3207.89] Curry: camera [3209.89] Curry: just a rapid change of [3211.89] Curry: direction here Jack are you drinking [3213.89] Curry: out of something you stole from a meth lab [3215.89] Curry: I could see markings down the side [3217.89] Jack: oh it's [3219.89] Jack: yeah it's basically [3221.89] Jack: you know those [3223.89] Jack: stick blenders it's a beaker [3225.89] Jack: from one of those [3227.89] Jack: you know that you kind of like [3229.89] Jack: stick the blender in [3231.89] Curry: kind of looks semi I'd say I'm breaking [3233.89] Curry: bad that's the only reason I mention it but okay [3235.89] Jack: yeah it looks like medical and it's [3237.89] Jack: full of piss but yeah it's [3239.89] Jack: a beaker out of I just need large [3241.89] Jack: because I haven't got much [3243.89] Jack: large intestine left [3245.89] Jack: I no longer get hydration [3247.89] Jack: from my food so I'm constantly [3249.89] Jack: having to drink [3251.89] Jack: so I just need if anyone [3253.89] Jack: finds the source of these [3255.89] Jack: which is like 750 [3257.89] Jack: mil let me know [3259.89] Jack: oh yeah [3261.89] Jack: or you could carry [3263.89] Jack: around a whole water cooler [3265.89] Jack: and be like a bro [3267.89] Jack: from coal [3269.89] Jack: how is that [3271.89] Jack: are your kidneys like [3273.89] Jack: killing from the sheer [3275.89] Jack: flushing [3277.89] Jack: have you got to finish that whole bottle [3279.89] Jack: every like two hours [3281.89] Koel: no I drink like maybe one or two of those [3283.89] Koel: a day [3285.89] Koel: I do pee a lot [3287.89] Koel: though yeah it's about like four liters [3289.89] Koel: of water a day [3291.89] Koel: yeah that's a lot [3293.89] Koel: that's a lot of water [3295.89] Curry: there you go people's drinking habits [3297.89] Curry: you heard it here first people [3299.89] Koel: drink water it's good for you you are more [3301.89] Koel: than three quarters of water [3303.89] Jack: you brought it up [3305.89] Jack: because you were I should find [3307.89] Jack: new and interesting things to drink out [3309.89] Jack: of like say a little bit of sauce [3311.89] Jack: but drinking out of that [3313.89] Curry: yeah I mean a close measuring [3315.89] Curry: jokes you can get in the pound shop [3317.89] Curry: like a whole liter and you can cook those [3319.89] Jack: easy enough yeah true [3321.89] Jack: that would be quite good [3323.89] Koel: I love how you guys call it a pound shop [3325.89] Koel: because to me that sounds like [3327.89] Koel: somewhere you're gonna go and you're gonna get beat up [3329.89] Jack: not well a pound of white [3331.89] Koel: we [3335.78] Koel: call that a dollar store we got the [3337.78] Koel: dollar store [3339.78] Koel: come on down to North America [3341.78] Koel: to the dollar store [3343.78] Curry: that's where you get all that cheap foam [3345.78] Curry: which we have to pay extra for [3347.78] Curry: the cheap foam [3349.78] Curry: yeah flight test always used to talk [3351.78] Curry: about getting their foam [3353.78] Curry: from the dollar store before they had their own [3355.78] Curry: foam and making airplanes out [3357.78] Curry: of it and if you buy it over here it's like [3359.78] Curry: about four pounds [3361.78] Koel: per sheet [3363.78] Koel: that's interesting [3367.86] Jack: cereal in a job is a game changer [3373.86] Curry: that's quite cool [3375.86] Koel: actually what's really [3377.86] Koel: sad is I love cereal [3379.86] Koel: but I don't do well with milk [3381.86] Koel: I've noticed over the last little while that [3383.86] Koel: milk kind of doesn't really [3385.86] Koel: work well for me so [3387.86] Koel: haven't been drinking milk anymore or having cereal [3389.86] Koel: so that's sad [3391.86] Jack: there's plenty of milk alternatives [3393.86] Koel: yeah like soy [3395.86] Koel: soy and whatever but [3397.86] Curry: I don't know [3399.86] Curry: some crazy people put [3401.86] Curry: fruit juice on their cereal [3403.86] Koel: what? [3405.86] Koel: that is odd [3407.86] Koel: I remember one time I [3409.86] Koel: had no cereal I poured a bowl [3411.86] Koel: of cereal and then I didn't realize how [3413.86] Koel: much milk I didn't have any milk left [3415.86] Koel: so I went to pour it there was none so I was like [3417.86] Koel: I had to put some water on it [3419.86] Koel: had some water cereal [3421.86] Curry: how was that was that tasty [3423.86] Koel: well [3425.86] Koel: it was cereal and it was wet [3427.86] Koel: so it was close enough [3431.86] Curry: soggy cereal [3433.86] Curry: yum yum [3435.86] Jack: did you see that [3437.86] Jack: Tony nearly [3439.86] Jack: died yesterday [3441.86] Koel: no [3443.86] Jack: what happened to Tony? [3445.86] Jack: break lines had [3447.86] Jack: corroded enough and then [3449.86] Jack: he was on the M25 [3451.86] Jack: on the break [3453.86] Jack: and yeah [3455.86] Jack: it squirted [3457.86] Jack: and yeah he leaked out [3459.86] Jack: all his break fluids so he had no breaks [3461.86] Curry: ooh [3463.86] Curry: that sounds like a movie [3465.86] Curry: who's cut Tony's break lines? [3467.86] Jack: who's not happy here? [3469.86] Koel: Jack [3471.86] Koel: Russian joke [3473.86] Koel: Jack's like I'm not finishing [3475.86] Koel: your ex class [3477.86] Curry: isn't Jack a mechanic? [3479.86] Curry: break lines? [3481.86] Jack: mate if I was going to kill Tony [3483.86] Jack: I'd do it in a spectacular way [3485.86] Jack: it would be breaks, fire, [3487.86] Jack: explosions, just pure [3489.86] Jack: death [3491.86] Curry: and also an eagle to carry him away in his talons [3493.86] Jack: yeah [3495.86] Koel: well was that one thing? [3497.86] Koel: you probably have the flaming [3499.86] Koel: woofler thing out there too [3501.86] Koel: what's that thing called again Jack? [3503.86] Jack: yeah [3505.86] Jack: the foamy woofler [3507.86] Koel: I said flaming woofler [3509.86] Jack: I mean that does it [3511.86] Jack: flames are the byproduct [3513.86] Jack: opportunity means a motif [3515.86] Koel: thanks mate [3519.3] Koel: suspect number one [3521.3] Jack: I know [3524.77] Jack: who has [3526.77] Curry: flying plans for next week at least [3528.77] Curry: obviously Cole because he flies [3530.77] Curry: everywhere exciting [3532.77] Koel: no I think I'm flyed out for right now [3534.77] Koel: I still haven't [3536.77] Koel: finished editing stuff [3538.77] Koel: from Taiwan [3540.77] Koel: I still haven't finished editing stuff for Jack [3542.77] Koel: I [3544.77] Koel: so what I've been doing lately is [3546.77] Koel: I don't really like to [3548.77] Koel: edit my own stuff anymore [3550.77] Koel: I like to just like [3552.77] Koel: take the video [3554.77] Koel: I just do one packs now [3556.77] Koel: I used to do like chop chop chop and edit up all my stuff [3558.77] Koel: into like the best clips [3560.77] Koel: and make myself look so cool [3562.77] Koel: I'm joking [3564.77] Koel: but now it's like okay [3566.77] Koel: is one video and that's [3568.77] Koel: like it's just a lot more [3570.77] Koel: ideal from a editing standpoint [3572.77] Koel: because [3574.77] Koel: I'm getting buzzed [3576.77] Jack: I thought I rewatched it and went [3578.77] Jack: how dare you [3580.77] Koel: no [3582.77] Koel: rewatched what my videos [3584.77] Jack: no this [3586.77] Jack: this episode [3588.77] Koel: I think she's passed out right now actually and I think her [3590.77] Koel: computer is here so unfortunately [3592.77] Koel: this is all the time I have [3594.77] Koel: for today [3596.77] Jack: so I love you guys [3598.77] Koel: bye guys thanks for having me [3600.77] Koel: have a good night evening [3602.77] Jack: I mean that's all we got time for really [3604.77] Jack: you've been listening to Letro now [3606.77] Jack: this show is sponsored [3608.77] Jack: by our lovely Patreons [3610.77] Jack: we are thinking about [3612.77] Jack: maybe making some [3614.77] Jack: mock [3616.77] Jack: adverts [3618.77] Jack: so get your unbreakable [3620.77] Jack: KitKat curry [3622.77] Jack: KitKat fingers [3624.77] Jack: and Tony's beard [3626.77] Jack: trimming and breakline [3628.77] Jack: cutting device [3630.77] Curry: it's the first I've heard about it [3632.77] Jack: you might have mentioned it [3634.77] Jack: keep treatment for men [3636.77] Jack: who knows [3638.77] Jack: these lovely people that are [3640.77] Jack: scrolling by are the guys that [3642.77] Jack: keep us afloat hopefully next week [3644.77] Jack: we can do a bonus podcast [3646.77] Jack: if Curry's timetable [3648.77] Jack: is good and Stephen's back [3650.77] Jack: yeah [3654.3] Jack: Cole's back [3656.3] Jack: was it the laptop [3658.3] Jack: or was it Walmart saying sorry [3660.3] Koel: wait can you [3662.3] Koel: hear me [3664.3] Koel: yeah [3666.3] Koel: Dorothy's new desktop [3668.3] Koel: what specs [3670.3] Koel: 12th gen [3672.3] Koel: i7 [3674.3] Koel: okay [3676.3] Koel: 3060 [3678.3] Koel: with a 12 [3680.3] Koel: 12 gigs of video RAM [3682.3] Koel: and [3684.3] Koel: it's a beat [3686.3] Koel: it's pretty damn good [3689.71] Jack: sounds good [3691.71] Jack: thanks for everyone who tuned in [3693.71] Jack: you've been joined by everyone's favourite [3695.71] Jack: Curry Kitten [3697.71] Jack: my buddy Cole [3699.71] Jack: see ya [3701.71] Jack: I know we brought it to [3703.71] Jack: iFly [3705.71] Jack: like, comment, subscribe, share [3707.71] Jack: and join our Patreon [3709.71] Jack: we love you guys, thank you, goodnight [3711.71] Jack: bye [3713.71] Koel: bye