=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 404 ===
Title: LDO 404 - With Special Guest SupaflyFPV
Recorded: 2023-05-25
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Stephen "Supafly" Wright
Total audience: 1,563
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvJ_gyz4Js0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1524008779-letsdroneout-ldo-404-with-special-guest-supaflyfpv.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner!
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Koel: Let's Drone Out now.
[52.08] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[56.64] Jack: Tonight we have a special guest with us, Superfly, we're hopefully covering the history
[65.16] Jack: of FBV, followed by some frames, maybe touching on a bit of tuning, hearing the other side.
[74.56] Jack: We are joined by our lovely man with the moustache, Steven.
[80.44] Jack: Hello, good evening everyone.
[82.52] Jack: Yeah, I'm sorry for denying your special guest at your birthday, this show will be
[87.6] Jack: all yours, you can tell me to shut up if you want at any time, I feel obliged.
[98.72] Jack: It was lovely catching up with you on Wednesday by the way.
[104.24] Jack: Everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[106.48] Jack: Hello.
[108.52] Jack: My buddy, Carl.
[110.76] Jack: Howdy.
[112.0] Jack: If you're a tall building, you'd better look out.
[114.52] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[117.28] Jack: And we are joined, of course, by Superfly.
[119.72] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Hello, yes, also known as Steven Wright or Steve.
[124.2] Jack: Yeah, it's going to be a bit confusing because we've already got a Steve.
[129.4] Stephen: You can call me Steven and him Steve if that works, which it does pose.
[134.48] Stephen: We've only got a Steven, I don't think I've ever called him Steve before.
[137.16] Stephen: I think we've reached like critical mass of Steves in Betaflight at one bite.
[141.12] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It was, but there's like five hundred.
[144.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: We got three British Steves in the Superfly development group, which is quite unusual.
[149.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's not that massively common name, but and also Steven's name, I spell my name like
[154.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that as well.
[155.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So, but yeah, most people, friends call me Steve and that's how I kind of, that's how
[160.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I roll.
[161.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Superfly, that's the business though, it's not really my pilot name, I don't have one
[169.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because I'm more interested in the other stuff, really.
[174.56] Koel: One can be Steven, one can be Stefan.
[178.04] Stephen: I'm routinely Stefan whenever working with people from like Eastern Europe or India or
[183.44] Stephen: anywhere that's not the UK.
[184.76] Stephen: It's always Stefan, Stefan Ben, this awkward pause at the end like that, not sure what
[190.08] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: to do with it.
[192.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's a common problem for Stevens.
[195.76] Stephen: So tell us how you found out about FPV.
[198.64] Stephen: What starts at the start?
[201.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Right, well, yeah, I mean, the kind of weird thing is that I feel like in terms of coming
[207.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: across people that I'm sort of becoming like one of the old people within this sphere,
[214.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: which is a sort of worry a little bit, but I started, you know, there are a lot of people
[221.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: before me, but I started around 2014, 2015, and I paid for someone to build a ZMR 250
[229.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: for me.
[230.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So no, I mean, I don't know what you think, Steven, but it seems to me that the whole
[235.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: mini quad thing took off, no pun intended, with the blackout 300.
[243.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think it was 300.
[244.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah.
[245.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that was what people call the mini quad.
[250.79] Stephen: I just said drop the mini quad, because everything else is just gigantic before then.
[256.39] Stephen: I looked at those designs, and I'm a bit blind to it, like Jack and Curry, they were flying
[262.15] Stephen: tricopters and much earlier stuff, I looked at the designs which had kind of car or plane
[267.71] Stephen: motors with like bullet connectors for the motors.
[271.07] Stephen: And where I was living at the time, I just went, No, I can't do that at all.
[274.51] Stephen: This is terrible.
[275.51] Stephen: So I went off into the weeds and like flew cheap hub sand kit and other kind of budget
[281.47] Stephen: brushed solutions for a couple of years until things got down to the point where I could
[285.63] Stephen: build like a three inch quad and then I started getting into it.
[289.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah.
[290.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, I mean, it's quite easy to, well, a lot of people haven't seen, you know, just
[294.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: how difficult it was when we started.
[296.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that was one of the reasons why I decided to have a crack at it myself, was because
[300.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: it just seemed so insane.
[301.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like when I first built a ZMR, there was no camera map and the cameras were so different
[307.43] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: to each other.
[308.43] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: One of them had a board on the back, and was just completely exposed PCB with the site,
[312.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the pre HHS one, one, seven, whatever, only 600 cans, I can't really find that.
[321.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But some of that, but they didn't even have pace to start with.
[323.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So people were literally like Oscar Liang, like he was, he was there quite early on as
[328.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: well, obviously.
[329.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And he was just hot gluing them in and stuff like that.
[331.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it was so primitive and difficult really to get going.
[339.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And all the flat.
[340.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Exactly.
[342.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Difficult.
[343.75] Curry: Does this bring back any memories?
[345.59] Curry: Look at that camera angle.
[346.59] Curry: No tilt.
[347.59] Curry: No tilt.
[348.59] Curry: But yeah, this is the, so I forgot what the sensor was, but this was this was a massive
[354.31] Curry: upgrade because this is a Sony CCD sensor.
[356.47] Curry: And before that, the CMOS sensors back in the day were awful.
[361.19] Curry: You got super yellow.
[362.27] Curry: So when the CCD cameras came out, these board cameras, which were old security cameras,
[367.15] Curry: that was that was seen as a major step upwards.
[369.31] Curry: This is my ZM-R250, complete with four miles of cable.
[374.51] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[375.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And the antenna and the sort of, you know, the way the antenna is mounted, you'd like,
[383.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you build one, you get really excited, you take it out, you have one crash, it was broken.
[388.91] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it was it was really quite painful to start off with, like, yeah, and not they weren't
[396.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: very powerful either.
[398.19] Stephen: That's why you didn't need camera tilt because you just build it, go out, fly it, take off
[403.19] Stephen: and crash before you ever got to fly forward.
[405.99] Curry: Yeah.
[406.99] Curry: Yeah.
[407.99] Curry: This thing flew on a 3S and the good old gen found 50, 30 drops, which flex like that.
[415.39] Curry: And if you go into a dive, you have to think about three seconds before, oh, I need to
[420.31] Curry: pull up.
[421.31] Curry: And then you go full throttle and then it slowly comes around like that.
[424.43] Curry: You had to think some some time ahead when you were flying these, but they were still
[430.99] Curry: a major upgrade over what had come before.
[433.35] Curry: And there was there was something in the middle.
[434.95] Curry: I remember the blackout as well, because like the ZM-R was a clone of it.
[438.55] Curry: But somebody bought out something.
[441.19] Curry: And I'm trying to think of it.
[442.19] Curry: And I can't remember.
[443.19] Curry: It was RC groups.
[444.19] Curry: And it's kind of like you could take the motors from the the smaller DJI, the 330 and put
[450.67] Curry: it on this.
[451.67] Curry: And it was kind of an intermediate, much more acrobatic frame.
[456.71] Curry: And I can't remember.
[457.71] Curry: And that was before it went proper minicord with the blackout.
[460.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I wonder what that was.
[462.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I can't remember what that was.
[463.87] Curry: I see if I can find it.
[464.87] Curry: I remember it.
[465.87] Curry: It was it was.
[466.87] Stephen: Is it a dead cat kit or something?
[469.23] Stephen: Meanwhile, while while Curry tries to find dead RC groups spreads from the turn of the
[473.99] Stephen: century.
[474.99] Stephen: Let's let's carry on.
[476.99] Stephen: So where were we?
[480.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, I think, you know, when we discussed this, I was thinking, you know, the interesting
[487.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: things is what's what were the frames that.
[492.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it's a bit of a hackney phrase, but what were the game changing frames?
[495.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: What are the frames that that actually had a significant impact on the hobby?
[501.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I would say, I mean, the blackout was the first miniquod frame.
[505.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that's that's when the kind of the whole term miniquod came.
[509.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And you had people like Boris B.
[511.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Flying them and Metal Danny, you know, cool guys like that.
[517.95] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then but then, you know, it was clones and then there was the alien, you know.
[522.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I think the alien by impulse, I'll say, yeah.
[529.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So that I mean, when when Final Glide was turned up at that, the first race meet and
[535.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: one with the alien and everyone's like, what's that frame?
[539.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: What's that frame?
[540.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, I would say that the majority.
[547.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Of the frames where we are now have been influenced by the alien.
[552.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, I think Impulse RC deserve a lot of credit for that.
[556.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, obviously, I'm a free starter, so I I view that as a kind of seminal frame.
[562.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But it was Walcott who made that, though, really.
[567.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah. I mean, he wasn't the designer, but I thought it was a guy called Soma who designed it.
[574.03] Jack: Yeah, that was Walcott, wasn't it?
[577.35] Jack: Right. I think I can't remember.
[581.39] Jack: I'd have to because that that was the initial.
[585.11] Jack: Yeah, initial. Nice one.
[589.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, because prior to that,
[592.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, the the arm configuration on the ZMR 250 was absurd.
[596.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, you use four screws for each arm and they didn't they didn't connect.
[603.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It was kind of it was almost like an H configuration.
[608.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, and the alien, you know, was the first to come out, which had, you know, so it was an X.
[615.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's completely butted up, you know, and now now most.
[619.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, now that now they're coming up with slightly slightly alternatives.
[625.23] Jack: But yeah, we've got we've got to say that.
[632.42] Jack: Chad know it was like banging the drum for alien before still won that race
[641.02] Jack: because they were doing the whole like six and seven inch was like the that angle tilting.
[648.18] Jack: So I thought Chad won it, though. That's why I said.
[651.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I thought it was a mistake.
[659.88] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was because it's an Australian. Was it Australian?
[664.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: They based in Australia, but I thought, yeah, I think a guy called Sean, I think.
[669.36] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I don't know him very well. Yeah, Sean Blakemore.
[673.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And he's Australian. I don't know. Yeah.
[677.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. What else?
[685.44] Stephen: Well, the arms, right. So everything was six inch.
[687.96] Stephen: Then people started with six inch.
[689.6] Stephen: It was just easier to drive with less powerful motors.
[692.56] Stephen: You could, you know, get a decent amount of flight time, albeit you couldn't really do aggressive moves.
[697.8] Stephen: And that seemed to go pretty quickly.
[700.92] Stephen: That was one of the first things to change along with motors, getting more powerful.
[704.56] Stephen: People decided to go for power instead of efficiency.
[707.56] Stephen: And everything's been five inch since then.
[709.96] Stephen: I notice on your site, you've got five, five and a half and six inch options.
[714.08] Stephen: And you've got deadcat options at five and five and a half.
[717.28] Stephen: You cover everything. So do you still see pilots flying six inch?
[721.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, yeah, to be totally honest with you, I mean, it's mostly people.
[726.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's just kind of overwhelmingly five inch.
[730.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I was last year just kind of basically only only sticking to five at that point, because, yeah, I mean, it was it was pretty rare.
[742.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it's pretty rare people would go six inch and seven inch.
[744.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: We're talking about maybe five percent.
[748.44] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But, yeah, the five point five inch thing, I think, because the hero cameras have become heavy.
[755.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. And Chris Ross made a video talking about, you know, five point five being good for the hero cameras,
[764.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: which kind of popularized it a bit more, I think.
[767.52] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, and some people started asking about it.
[771.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, I just kind of trying to I put a poll up and try and kind of make decisions through polls,
[778.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because otherwise you just kind of think that what you like is the best.
[782.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But, yeah, I had quite a few people, you know, I got the five inch dead cats and then people started asking me five point five inch dead cats.
[790.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So I just kind of it's I think my worry is it's a little bit overwhelming to be presented with those kind of choices.
[796.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: People don't sort of think, well, which one should I get?
[801.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So, you know, it's it's there at the moment.
[804.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's a fairly recent thing. And yeah, it's the option is there.
[810.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And unfortunately, five point five inch, there's not that many props out there.
[815.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It sort of hasn't doesn't feel like it's caught on, you know, in terms of the manufacturers providing,
[821.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, props for it. But yeah.
[826.44] Stephen: How do you do your dead cats? Are you just changing the arm length or do you change the X geometry as well?
[833.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I'm just yeah, I mean, you have to check.
[836.64] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: No, I'm not just elongating the arms.
[839.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You have to position, you know, a motor a certain way and then you automatically get because of where you're pushing them.
[847.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You're pulling the front motors kind of rearwards.
[852.52] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then you obviously have to then move the rear ones and it ends up looking like a dead cat.
[859.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's it actually it had a bit of a bad reputation dead cat.
[866.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But if it flies, you know, the feedback I'm getting on them is pretty good.
[871.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And really, for people who are just wanting to do kind of cruising cinematic video,
[877.36] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: which is the reason why you use it because it's just making sure that props are completely out of view,
[882.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: especially for three users as well.
[885.64] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: DJI three who just want to make sure they've got zero prop in the view.
[890.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: They're spot on. So yeah, I should I should mention that.
[893.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, for three users, they people want no proper view.
[898.16] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So so, yeah, just the options are there.
[902.44] Stephen: I do feel that dead cat got a bad reputation maybe five years ago when flight control software was in its infancy.
[908.92] Stephen: And I've got a few myself.
[911.0] Stephen: And if I fly them really aggressively, then I can bring out prop wash easier on a dead cat than I can on a regular X.
[918.48] Stephen: But you have to really slam it down hard into dirty air to do that these days.
[924.64] Stephen: Like you can get away with almost all types of flying.
[927.76] Stephen: I mean, I'm talking like doing aggressive split turns and then just going from zero throttle to slam full throttle.
[933.84] Stephen: And you can get a little bit of a wobble, whereas maybe like a more robust freestyle X frame would just be like still dead.
[941.48] Stephen: And it would just be nice and smooth doing that.
[943.6] Stephen: But you can fly around that so easily with the dead cat.
[946.8] Stephen: I think that reputation is ill deserved. It's still there.
[949.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree with you about that.
[952.44] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, I also you know, I hate to be cynical, but I'm suspicious of whether people who used to complain about them just had a good tune on them.
[961.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, because it's it's really a tuning matter, I think.
[964.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, there's not you know, there's not any real.
[968.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, it's not a terrible reason why it should perform so badly compared to normal.
[972.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it's just there's a change in the CG a bit.
[976.84] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So, yeah, I think you're right.
[979.88] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, tuning is much better now.
[981.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Also, I have I think that a lot of people are flying seven inch dead cat and that is quite that's a stretch.
[988.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like in terms of how big the practice is and how far you have to move everything basically to get it out of view.
[996.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think maybe that that's a bit more tricky.
[999.12] Stephen: I don't assume you don't change the body if you're just pushing the arms out further to make a seven inch with the same kind of body that you have a five inch that that's going to get distorted.
[1010.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, you can you can change the body.
[1012.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, but even if you look at the what's it called, the L.R.
[1016.88] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: What's that open source frame that a lot of people have, that's not Falcon.
[1022.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's seven inch long range of frame.
[1025.56] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's very well known.
[1027.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, they had a whole custom body, but I mean, it's still dead cat.
[1032.16] Stephen: But anyway, we've got a couple of people in chat saying that they they want to fly six inch, which is interesting.
[1040.88] Stephen: Lack of good props.
[1042.84] Stephen: That's one thing that people are commenting on.
[1046.88] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, a federal doesn't like the name dead cat.
[1049.36] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. Well, he likes cats.
[1051.12] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: He's a cat person. Yeah.
[1054.2] Jack: It's named after oval, isn't it?
[1056.04] Jack: Because he wanted to fly with all of it.
[1059.8] Jack: Yeah, all of it because I wanted to fly.
[1061.56] Jack: I'm sort of butchering the accident flow with the birds.
[1064.8] Curry: And I think, yeah, all of it was a bird.
[1067.68] Curry: So how's that dead cat?
[1070.68] Jack: He was a cat.
[1071.36] Stephen: All of it was a cat who was later in our installation.
[1075.56] Stephen: Yeah, a taxidermy was brought into a board.
[1078.28] Stephen: You're not talking about all of the puppet.
[1080.08] Stephen: You're talking about the Dutch art installation.
[1084.0] Stephen: Who was turned into a flying machine.
[1085.84] Stephen: Yeah, he was a cat.
[1086.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: We love you, Jack.
[1088.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Oh, that's nice.
[1089.56] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: We love you, Steve.
[1090.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Oh, wow.
[1091.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Gav is putting a lot of love into the chat.
[1094.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. Yeah.
[1095.2] Stephen: We just had Go Nuts FPV talking about FPV DroneFest 23 last week.
[1100.52] Stephen: So, yeah, big up to Go Nuts FPV.
[1102.68] Stephen: Oh, yeah. He's done that.
[1104.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I thought I ought to get a plug in there because Superfly is one of the many sponsors for that event.
[1109.44] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Oh, yeah.
[1111.68] Jack: Do you remember this?
[1115.0] Jack: No one wants to remember this.
[1117.08] Jack: Right.
[1117.6] Jack: It gets worse.
[1118.6] Jack: Hang on.
[1118.96] Jack: So you've got the QAV.
[1120.04] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: The EMAX one as well.
[1121.04] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: What about the EMAX one?
[1123.08] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[1123.84] Jack: That man, I hated that.
[1125.68] Jack: But it got worse because you had this arm extension.
[1131.88] Jack: Oh, the extension.
[1133.24] Jack: Yeah, nice.
[1134.84] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got one of those somewhere.
[1137.84] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It goes to 16.
[1139.4] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: For me, that was an expensive frame that was like lumineer.
[1143.52] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, they were asking big bucks for that.
[1146.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: When you first start out, you know, well, let's just say you are buying slightly cheaper frames.
[1151.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, you get what it was on sale at China.
[1154.76] Jack: Oh, my word.
[1156.16] Jack: It was like it was a war crime and they were angled as well, I think.
[1161.6] Stephen: They look like that.
[1162.92] Stephen: That's precisely a one crash frame right there.
[1165.72] Stephen: Well, look at the cutouts on the arms.
[1167.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: There's a funny comment from Chris here.
[1169.12] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got to read this out.
[1170.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Chris, he's saying, what's a cat got to do with it?
[1175.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then and then crying says that's literally where the name came from.
[1182.04] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: That's funny.
[1183.0] Stephen: Yeah, there was for those who haven't realized there was an art installation,
[1186.96] Stephen: someone who turned taxidermied animals into into RC cars and aircraft.
[1193.8] Stephen: And there was there was a cat who got in the press for being turned into a quadcopter.
[1199.88] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, if I was a cat lover, I'd be offended by that.
[1203.04] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I found it funny.
[1204.8] Stephen: Yeah, I'm a cat lover as well.
[1206.96] Stephen: But, you know, I think my cats can stand up for themselves.
[1209.28] Stephen: They're they're all for.
[1213.24] Jack: Yeah, as long as he died of natural causes and wasn't just short steps into.
[1219.92] Jack: I think I got a lot of grief for that.
[1222.92] Koel: Yeah, I bet you a lot of activists were like, hey, man, we love cats.
[1226.96] Koel: What are you doing?
[1227.64] Stephen: I think he did like a mouse as well.
[1229.16] Stephen: Didn't he?
[1229.6] Stephen: He had all sorts of a rat.
[1231.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, he's not he's not he's not treating the his old friend with dignity.
[1237.84] Koel: Yeah, I could definitely see that being a cat.
[1242.0] Stephen: Yeah, to go and scare the Jesus out of pigeons in the afterlife.
[1246.8] Stephen: Like, you know, I was a big fat cat and I never caught a pigeon.
[1250.6] Stephen: Well, now I'm going to terrify them.
[1252.44] Stephen: Absolutely terrify them.
[1255.99] Jack: Yeah, it's like slightly poor taste, I guess.
[1259.79] Koel: Yeah, hard to say what I asked the way cat would want to do.
[1264.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: All that. Yeah.
[1266.35] Jack: Oh, dear.
[1267.55] Jack: Maybe when when his owner dies, we should taxidermy him.
[1271.63] Jack: Yeah. To one of the really big quad that we can turn them into a bus or something.
[1275.91] Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
[1280.43] Jack: Just adjusting his cat.
[1282.59] Jack: It's not anything because it's what I would have wanted.
[1287.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I don't know if you remember in that way.
[1291.91] Stephen: You don't want to like be kind of, you know,
[1295.15] Stephen: turn into like a leather suit and flown around once you pass away.
[1299.27] Stephen: You don't think that would be respectful.
[1301.31] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's getting a bit of silence for the lambs, isn't it?
[1305.27] Koel: So back to anyhow, this topic.
[1309.03] Stephen: So, yeah, we were just talking about the blackout age frame
[1312.63] Stephen: and how the alien kind of changed it all, basically,
[1315.83] Stephen: and gave people a blueprint for not just a frame that flew,
[1319.75] Stephen: but a frame that could crash, which is fundamental to freestyle, right?
[1323.23] Stephen: A frame you can crash more than once.
[1326.55] Stephen: Yeah, exactly. I mean, it was tough.
[1330.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It had four millimetre thick arms. Whoa.
[1334.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Four millimetre.
[1335.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: That was quite thick at the time.
[1337.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: The ZMR, I think, came out with three millimetre thick arms.
[1341.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I remember when is that, what's that? Is that a reverb?
[1346.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Oh, this is alien.
[1347.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Oh, this is alien. Yeah.
[1349.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. I remember there was some aftermarket arms
[1353.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you could get for the ZMR, which were four mil thick.
[1355.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I was like, whoa, this is way over the top.
[1358.91] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it's just like everything really.
[1360.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: KV's gone up.
[1361.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Carbon fibre thickness has gone up.
[1363.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's just like everything really.
[1365.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: The thickness has gone up.
[1367.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's and I remember I remember Chad Nowak,
[1369.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: who was like complaining about how the hobby hadn't moved forward.
[1374.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it was just the same.
[1375.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, this is a while ago.
[1376.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I mean, he was, you know, he he sort of stopped enjoying it.
[1380.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Let's put it that way.
[1382.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I think it's I think it's improved a lot.
[1386.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, I think the and the biggest improvement for me is
[1389.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: is the flight firmware, massive improvement.
[1391.91] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, when I was flying the ZMR 250.
[1395.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It wasn't good, you know, in terms of it was just very it was very basic.
[1401.95] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I guess the tuning information, the tuning advice was was poor.
[1406.43] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, it just wasn't that great.
[1408.31] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it was Joshua Bardwell at the time who was making videos,
[1411.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: tech videos, which he doesn't tend to do so much nowadays. But yeah.
[1417.87] Stephen: So you supply tuning for all kind of major firmwares past and present on your site, right?
[1424.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yes, I mean,
[1429.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: yeah, I think I think tuning is probably one of the most important, you know, aspects.
[1433.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I don't I don't think I think a lot of
[1436.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the quality of the gears converge quite a lot.
[1439.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, I'm not saying buy cheap motors
[1441.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because I think there is a point to buying decent motors and stuff. But,
[1446.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, people, I think
[1449.43] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: it's easy to get obsessed by gear and kind of new hype and stuff like that.
[1454.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But the tuning is, you know, it's what makes the whole build.
[1459.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, you pulls everything together.
[1461.95] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, I mean, you know, when Superfly, when I first started it,
[1466.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: it was quite obvious that, you know, the the
[1469.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the Chinese designs were going to improve over time.
[1474.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, I had to, you know, you had to offer something else.
[1478.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And so I decided to put my head into into tuning
[1482.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and an understanding how the whole flight control firmware works.
[1488.43] Stephen: So it improves the experience, right?
[1490.59] Stephen: It's like more of an end to end product.
[1492.27] Stephen: Then you don't just kind of get something in the mail and that's it.
[1496.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I hope so.
[1497.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, the feedback I get is good.
[1499.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, there's a lot of good pilots like, you know,
[1504.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got some sponsored pilots now.
[1508.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So I've got Holt Backheath, who's a really sick pilot.
[1514.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got a whole, you know, they're on the website and I'm kind of building up a team.
[1518.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And they, you know, a lot of people know their way around the flight controller.
[1522.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But there is I would say that if you're kind of really geeking out on it
[1527.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and really going into the details, you're usually going to kind of generate
[1533.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: a more a deeper understanding than the guys who are just who are really good at flying.
[1538.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Not always, but I think that's a good thing because it's, you know,
[1543.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: just adds value and kind of, you know, it's I love to
[1549.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I love to make make them fly really well.
[1552.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's very satisfying.
[1555.31] Koel: Yeah, it does seem like it's a bit of a dark art, though, right?
[1557.67] Koel: The tuning side of it.
[1558.63] Koel: It's for a lot of people, unless they really dive in and try to get there.
[1563.03] Koel: Like for me, I've only been flying for less than two years now,
[1566.59] Koel: but had some pretty bad crashes last summer.
[1569.47] Koel: Had to rebuild, get new motors and, you know, things just didn't,
[1574.67] Koel: you know, they didn't fly the same afterwards.
[1576.15] Koel: So I had to dive down a deep path and it was
[1580.27] Koel: it was very trying, to say the least, because
[1584.67] Koel: I don't know what these numbers are going to do and these numbers are going to do.
[1587.23] Koel: I'm trying to see what they do and the balance and whatnot.
[1590.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But how long have you been flying for?
[1593.35] Koel: I'd only been flying for about maybe around a year or so.
[1598.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, it is people in this community.
[1601.99] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I don't think people often admit it, but it is actually really difficult.
[1606.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, tuning and really understanding how the big controller works
[1610.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: in the system that we're using is hard.
[1613.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I mean, without sounding like a.
[1619.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like most people don't really understand it.
[1622.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, and that's why when when people post something on Facebook,
[1626.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you'll get like answers that are just all over the place
[1630.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because, you know, it is it is, you know, it's genuinely difficult
[1635.31] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and there's no shame.
[1636.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I think, you know, I'm missing that.
[1638.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I think that the preset system that we got in piece of flight is really good.
[1643.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Crumpt has done presets for a kiss.
[1646.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I think, you know, all the help that people can get is a good thing.
[1650.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, you know, people,
[1655.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: even though there are some pretty good guides now, you know,
[1658.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the beat of flight tuning guide, some of them are over half an hour long.
[1662.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that is, you know, it's a lot of the time.
[1666.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And if there's a good preset, I just think go for it.
[1669.7] Stephen: Slap it. I get people kind of halfway there.
[1673.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's not halfway, because once you the reason why it seems like
[1678.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: when I first started out, I used to struggle with all the different
[1681.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: all the things that everyone else struggles with.
[1684.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it's very easy to turn it into
[1687.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: when you don't understand how the system works, you become
[1690.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you project superstition onto it.
[1692.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. And it becomes magic.
[1693.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: This is my best build.
[1694.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I can't touch it, you know, because you don't want to mess it up.
[1699.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. And that's the thing is because it's just because there's so many,
[1703.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, it's it's overwhelming in terms of the amount of stuff
[1706.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that you have to know to be able to just be able to crank them out.
[1709.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it takes quite a long time for people to get that good
[1712.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that they can just crank out, build after build, and there's no issues
[1715.66] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because you fully understand what's going on.
[1717.42] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So it's it's not really a dark arc.
[1719.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's actually it's just an engineering system.
[1722.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's, you know, and it's as simple as that.
[1724.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Once you understand what each of the parameters does on each axis
[1729.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and all that stuff, a black box, you know,
[1732.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, as you kiss guys in the in the group who are kind of a bit
[1737.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: maybe anti black box, but black boxes.
[1741.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's brilliant.
[1742.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it's amazing because it just shows you everything that's happening.
[1745.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And once you can understand what it means,
[1749.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: it's like it's like looking into a black box.
[1752.18] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, it's just you can answer all the all the problems.
[1756.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You can solve the problems.
[1757.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, it's it's very good.
[1759.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it's amazing.
[1760.3] Stephen: You're looking at, you know, the inputs because your hands are doing those,
[1763.14] Stephen: but you don't necessarily know.
[1765.34] Stephen: But you can guess.
[1765.98] Stephen: I mean, I I do most of my tuning just
[1769.14] Stephen: visually because I've been a hurry and not everything I have
[1772.22] Stephen: as a black box historically because I was flying cheap boards.
[1775.18] Stephen: But being able to see what the response is when you move the stick, that's.
[1781.82] Stephen: That's the basics of it, right?
[1783.54] Stephen: That's where everything comes down to like I've requested this.
[1786.46] Stephen: Did I get what I wanted?
[1788.02] Stephen: If I didn't get what I wanted, then let's change what's going on in the middle.
[1793.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: This is not what I wanted.
[1795.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah.
[1797.1] Koel: I mean, I came from like I come from a background using like camera gimbals
[1802.06] Koel: and whatnot, where you have to, you know, tune the different axes and whatnot.
[1805.9] Koel: Obviously, it's a little more simple, I feel, then then PIDS for a quad.
[1810.06] Koel: But even even that, it takes a lot of, you know, fiddling around
[1815.1] Koel: and a lot of just seeing what works. Right.
[1817.46] Koel: Because I mean, I guess the logs are really good because you get a visual
[1822.3] Koel: and a full out, you know, data sort of set on it.
[1825.38] Koel: But I guess the camera gimbal side of things is a bit more like, how does it react?
[1830.14] Koel: I mean, I guess you can kind of apply that to quads, too, though. Right.
[1832.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So yeah, I mean, I guess it's a little bit more, you know, it's you can
[1839.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I guess with a gimbal, you've got it in your hands and you can just kind of do it
[1841.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: a bit easier. But yeah, it's the same.
[1843.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think it's probably this.
[1844.18] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, how many axes have you got on the gimbal as well?
[1846.7] Koel: Three axes. Yeah.
[1848.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Because I think that's what kind of confuses
[1851.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that kind of overwhelms people when you've got that grid and you've got the axes
[1854.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and then you've got each term for the axes.
[1855.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it kind of suddenly it suddenly seems, you know,
[1860.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: sort of quite quite confusing.
[1862.42] Koel: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[1864.06] Koel: I mean, I got a good point.
[1865.58] Koel: Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Kerry.
[1867.22] Curry: Sorry. I was just going to say, I think I'm in the majority of people who are
[1872.34] Curry: lazy stroke can't do it because I kind of used to know what pits were.
[1878.3] Curry: And then when Beataflight went all about the filters, I was like,
[1881.1] Curry: what? I didn't really learn it.
[1883.38] Curry: And now it's the case of it flies.
[1885.86] Curry: OK, that will do.
[1887.54] Curry: I haven't got much time.
[1889.18] Curry: I just want to fly and have some fun rather than repeatedly try this flight
[1893.22] Curry: and then try and figure out how to tune it better and potentially make it worse.
[1896.78] Curry: I think I think that's where perhaps a lot of people are.
[1898.74] Curry: It's just like, yeah, it's OK.
[1900.42] Curry: That'll do rather than going and trying to hone it down and get everything just perfect.
[1906.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I think that's totally fair enough.
[1909.1] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, ultimately, people just want to go out and fly.
[1913.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think most people and I think there is quite a contingent, you know, in the hobby
[1917.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: who are people who are technically minded and they're really fascinated
[1921.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: by the technical side of the hobby and then want to dig really deeply into the tuning.
[1925.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I would say I probably fall into that group, but
[1929.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: but I'm not one of those.
[1932.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like I was I would say there's a technocratic
[1936.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: approach to tuning that you can take, which kind of suggests
[1941.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that there's some sort of perfect tune and that tuning should only be about
[1947.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: tracking of the set point, I following exactly the input was not necessarily the input.
[1956.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I my kind of
[1961.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: my philosophy, I would say, is that you want to have very good control of the quad
[1966.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and you want to have very good prop wash, but you also
[1971.03] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: there should be a 10 percent, let's say, area for feel, which is essentially
[1977.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: right, you know, if we're flying freestyle and this is just for freestyle, it's not for like,
[1981.31] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, sending a drone off on a very defined mission or something.
[1986.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But if you're flying freestyle, it should be a little bit, in my opinion, like a musical instrument.
[1992.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You should be kind of just throwing it around
[1995.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: whether you're making video or something and you kind of you like the way
[2001.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that it moves when you make an input and you see the input through the goals.
[2006.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It feels good. And I think that, you know, tweaking the parameters,
[2011.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of room for that.
[2013.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So I am I'm kind of a supporter of that approach.
[2017.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And people some people liking it this way, some people liking it that way.
[2022.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, and I just I aim to set it up in a way that I like.
[2026.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then I share that with, you know, with the customers.
[2029.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And also there is a preset for everyone as well.
[2032.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: There's also don't get me wrong.
[2034.51] Curry: I absolutely love the idea of of doing it.
[2038.11] Curry: It's just a case of like, I can't do it and I don't want to have to spend time on it.
[2044.19] Curry: But yeah, I can certainly respect a properly tuned quad.
[2047.47] Curry: And you can certainly tell the difference, something that has been properly worked on
[2051.07] Curry: versus it's OK.
[2053.39] Curry: And, yeah, you get a nice feel from it.
[2055.31] Curry: But it's just it's just for I think a lot of people like me, there's there's a
[2060.67] Curry: said there's there's a sort of a mix of laziness and can't can't do it because I'm
[2066.83] Curry: I'm just busy wanting to fly.
[2068.19] Curry: But yeah, I wish I wish I could.
[2070.11] Curry: I wish I was like I had somebody next to me here.
[2073.31] Curry: So tune that and give it back to me and make it work.
[2077.47] Curry: That's that's kind of what's what's interesting when I looked at your frames
[2080.91] Curry: it's like, yes, you get it.
[2082.83] Curry: You get a tune from me, which I think is very cool because it's just like this will
[2088.83] Curry: work on this.
[2089.87] Curry: I've checked it.
[2093.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, it's definitely checked.
[2095.23] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, I sort of wasted I shouldn't say waste, but I spend a ridiculous amount of
[2101.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: time obsessing about about how I want to tune it and tweaking filters and stuff like that.
[2108.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, but there is there is a five inch preset for beta flight for for everyone for
[2114.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: so it's three, three, four inch, five inch, six inch and seven inch Superfly tunes in
[2119.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the beta flight configurator.
[2122.83] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I've got this calculator on this on the website.
[2126.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: There's a link in the preset.
[2128.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You can go and you can put in your KV and what what library you're using.
[2134.19] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it will spit out where to put the master multiplier.
[2137.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So it's basically a system.
[2139.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: This is calculated from the RPM because I think it affects the stability of the
[2146.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: pick control loop like an authority bias.
[2150.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[2151.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's what it is.
[2153.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think yeah, I mean, yeah, I noticed I mean, some of the other guys like Chris
[2161.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Rosser in the tech, they they don't account for the different KV that people use.
[2166.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, technically, if you have the PD balance, you should just be able to raise or lower.
[2174.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like there's some kiss guys here.
[2175.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I've noticed that the kisses is I think it's a bit more stable in terms of different KV.
[2182.91] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it just depends on the balance of the pits.
[2185.71] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, and the speed of the motors.
[2189.55] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But, you know, it's ultimately, you know, it's just a case of a small adjustment, you know.
[2196.99] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[2198.03] Stephen: There's also this kind of the feel that comes into it, which a lot of people would say are
[2201.71] Stephen: rates, but I guess comes down to the preference of a lot of the pilots who are flying it.
[2205.87] Stephen: A beta flight having a big racer contingent as well as a big freestyle contingent.
[2210.03] Stephen: There's this spectrum of you can have a tune for a frame in two different directions.
[2214.99] Stephen: One towards the freestyle with HD and super smooth.
[2219.23] Stephen: And you don't care if you're going to make the motor hot.
[2222.03] Stephen: You want good footage and the other towards the racer where you want jerky twitch response
[2227.15] Stephen: and you want to keep the motors cool.
[2228.91] Stephen: And you don't really care if you have a bit of a wobble in your video,
[2232.03] Stephen: just so long as you get around the course and don't burn your motors out.
[2235.55] Stephen: And that kind of the polar opposites of tuning means that there's no single perfect tune.
[2242.59] Stephen: There's kind of what works with the airframe in terms of general aerodynamics and thrust
[2248.91] Stephen: vectoring and then how much you're willing to tolerate smoking your motors versus how
[2254.35] Stephen: clean you want the video.
[2255.47] Stephen: And that's coming down to how much you could push that authority right.
[2258.51] Stephen: Because if you get it right on the edge, you know, you get it right on the knife edge,
[2262.11] Stephen: then there's a chance that if you just snick the tip off a propeller,
[2265.39] Stephen: you could burn the motor out when you do the next punch out.
[2268.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, definitely in the case of the filters.
[2272.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, if you look at a log from one of the Beach Flight pilots, Limon,
[2278.51] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and he's yeah, he's got a cool YouTube channel as well.
[2281.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I mean, it's so much high throttle.
[2285.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's almost insane.
[2286.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like I thought it was a joke.
[2289.79] Stephen: It's like full throttle.
[2292.27] Stephen: He's got that that warning that comes on screen when he's at 100% throttle.
[2296.27] Stephen: Yeah, you don't have to wait long to see it.
[2298.75] Stephen: It's constantly flashing on the OSD.
[2301.15] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, so freestylers can definitely get away with less filtering, which is good because
[2306.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: then the prop wash is more important for freestylers.
[2310.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So we want to just remove as much of the filtering as possible.
[2313.95] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And generally, freestylers, you're just cruising around low mid throttle and then with the punch
[2318.67] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: outs, you're chucking in the air and doing your tricks and then coming down and, you know,
[2324.11] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: pulling out of it.
[2325.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But the racers just are they're crazy.
[2329.79] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So it's a very good test of how robust, you know, more B to flight filters are or whatever
[2337.63] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: firmware you're going to use to give it to put it in the hands of a hardcore racer because it's
[2344.75] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, they really test the equipment to the limits.
[2346.83] Stephen: I think they won't allow you to spend an extra couple of milliseconds making the
[2352.03] Stephen: signals nice and smooth before you send them to the motors.
[2354.51] Stephen: They're like, no, we don't care.
[2355.55] Stephen: We don't care.
[2356.11] Stephen: We've got to have that twitch response, which I think
[2360.27] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, they use quite a lot of feed forward because the precision is just, you know,
[2365.39] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and quite a lot of item.
[2366.59] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think the item in B to flight recently has been boosted a lot.
[2369.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I'm actually a fan of just keeping that not too much item.
[2373.95] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But the item has boosted so much in B to flight because they did quite a lot of
[2378.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: kind of racer focused development just before I came.
[2383.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And when you're looking at the logs of lots of kind of really fast and kind of wide turns,
[2393.07] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you can see that it needs more item in order to keep to hold the tracking basically.
[2397.87] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And it's just not it's something that doesn't come up with the freestylers because,
[2401.47] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, we're not we're not flying anything like that.
[2404.35] Frank: But yeah, I turn it down for that reason a little bit.
[2434.35] Frank: Pause slash let's drone out.
[2437.07] Stephen: Now go nuts FPV praising your your frame here.
[2441.31] Stephen: End to end customer experience there.
[2444.35] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, cheers, dude.
[2449.07] Jack: Superfly.
[2450.19] Jack: If someone or Steve, sorry.
[2454.03] Jack: If someone wanted to get into tuning and better understand it,
[2458.75] Jack: do you have any sort of guide or videos you particularly would recommend?
[2469.44] Jack: Well, the half hour beat flight ones.
[2473.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's if there's kind of a really simple short video.
[2484.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: That's a tricky one.
[2485.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, because because the ones that Chris roster and U of E,
[2489.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I hope U of E text got one that he's done recently.
[2491.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I know that Chris Ross has done some good ones, but they are quite involved.
[2496.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: They do involve logging.
[2499.26] Stephen: They do involve using classic approach, isn't there?
[2501.74] Stephen: Just doing it by eye where you like, try and push the filters up with your flight,
[2506.94] Stephen: for example, and you take off and do some maneuvers as aggressively as possible.
[2511.42] Stephen: And the instant you see oscillation start to occur, you back down the filters by a stop.
[2517.1] Stephen: And then you come back and you start looking at P and I in detail.
[2521.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: That's yeah, that's kind of the old fashioned.
[2523.42] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that's how I learned.
[2524.86] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I remember Stingy, Stinger Swalman.
[2527.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, he made one.
[2530.94] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: He made one ages ago, and he kind of did the classic one where you kind of
[2535.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and you got to learn to look out for the behaviors.
[2538.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I mean, if I'm honest, I do think the basement tuning is,
[2543.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: if you want to tune it yourself, it's the best to just do that,
[2548.7] Stephen: which is like a mesh fencing mask or something.
[2551.42] Stephen: What's that?
[2552.22] Stephen: If you've got like a mesh fencing mask or something, maybe.
[2555.66] Stephen: Don't know if I try in here.
[2558.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Doesn't have to be in the basement.
[2559.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, that came from Brian, Brian White, who said he'd be watching.
[2565.42] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, he was he's got a basement where he does all his quad stuff.
[2569.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So when he was developing Pit Toolbox, he had to do a lot of it in the basement.
[2576.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, that's that's where it came from.
[2579.18] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, I mean, shout out to Brian and that tool, because it's kind of I would
[2583.66] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: say it's revolutionized tuning.
[2586.94] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, the step response there is super useful.
[2592.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Is that the yeah, yeah, I remember that.
[2594.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's like in a trailer park.
[2596.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know it's obviously easy for me to say this, but
[2603.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I just wish people would just use my tune.
[2605.42] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, just use my tune in the configurator.
[2607.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, because it's it's with the with the with the calculator.
[2611.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's just it's it's so much easier.
[2614.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then you can go and fly.
[2616.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: If you want to get really into tuning, then you have to go.
[2619.66] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I would I would say go and go and learn the basement tuning method and watch
[2624.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Pit Toolbox videos or watch Chris Ross's videos.
[2628.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, there there are there are some things I would say, Steve, and I don't know if you
[2632.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: agree, but, you know, there's a bunch of people who obviously contribute to beatify.
[2638.86] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But it's far from kind of a monolith of thought.
[2642.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, everyone's got slightly different opinions about things.
[2645.5] Stephen: And, you know, there's races and freestylers and there's people on the extremes of each of those.
[2652.38] Stephen: Definitely. There's a spectrum there.
[2653.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Exactly. There's there's quite a big spectrum and everyone does things slightly differently and
[2658.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: there's a few a few things I would do slightly differently on the basement tuning.
[2662.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But, you know, fundamentally, you know, it covers, you know, it covers a lot.
[2669.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And yeah, so that's that's the best way I would say to long answer presets are great.
[2675.34] Stephen: But I think a lot of the guys here may be flying.
[2678.14] Stephen: I know Jack and Cole yourself, you obviously make five inch frames.
[2681.82] Stephen: These other guys fly them.
[2682.78] Stephen: But I started out building silly little micros and things that are not quite five inches,
[2688.46] Stephen: you know, and for that, that there were there was no advice.
[2693.26] Stephen: And maybe there's a few presets now.
[2695.02] Stephen: Historically, there was almost zero presets.
[2697.18] Stephen: And so I had to kind of figure it out and just rule of thumb it, which was generally
[2701.66] Stephen: I was finding the smaller and lighter my builds were, the more overall pit gain I would need
[2707.66] Stephen: so that the more I'd have to increase the ratios of pits because they were,
[2711.34] Stephen: I guess, lower authority when you that's why people fly five inch that it's that sweet spot
[2715.82] Stephen: of power and weight you're getting.
[2719.5] Stephen: You're minimizing having to carry around the flight controller and ESC and VTX and camera
[2724.46] Stephen: that that weight is kind of invisible.
[2726.94] Stephen: You've got a decent sized motor, a good disc area for the props and everything kind of is optimal.
[2734.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yes.
[2734.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Sweet.
[2735.34] Stephen: Just a lot of vibration.
[2737.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[2738.06] Stephen: But but if you can't fly a five inch because you're next to like a crowded park and you
[2742.3] Stephen: want to fly like a little two inch move, you've got to kind of scratch your head and think,
[2746.46] Stephen: well, what's happening here?
[2747.98] Stephen: People say I should only have like I at this rate, but I need it twice that like,
[2753.1] Stephen: and I've got some bills where I'm flying like a two S two inch ultralight.
[2757.9] Stephen: And I've literally got that pit multiplier at two two hundred percent.
[2762.22] Stephen: And it's it's just maxed out.
[2764.46] Stephen: And then I had to add like thrust linear to give it a little more oomph as well.
[2769.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So yes, I haven't been buying this.
[2771.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You've probably been, Stephen, you sorry to kind of you probably been buying them when I have.
[2775.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But perhaps you got some from the from the past.
[2779.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But what I was hoping that out of the factory, they're tuned because if you get one of those
[2783.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: on defaults, you'd be in trouble.
[2786.62] Stephen: Yeah.
[2787.02] Stephen: Yeah.
[2787.42] Stephen: And building your own with like AIO flight controller.
[2791.02] Stephen: You're just like, yeah, let's see.
[2794.3] Stephen: I think, you know, from from looking at the manufacturers with Betaflight,
[2797.34] Stephen: like sometimes you've got vendors who have a reputation for doing a really good job of tuning.
[2802.22] Stephen: But you've also got vendors who might be very price competitive,
[2805.5] Stephen: but really just throwing stuff in a box and selling it.
[2809.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, we ought to I mean, in the in the presets, we ought to have,
[2814.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, the main the main basis covered in the Betaflight presets, at least.
[2820.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, it's a bit tricky for logging.
[2824.3] Koel: It looks like we actually have a question from Dominic Clifton there
[2829.58] Koel: asking you, yeah, what are your goals for the next 12 months?
[2834.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, my goals.
[2839.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Well, I'd like to just keep Superfly keep it going, keep it growing.
[2847.18] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Release, you know, I've got some more releases.
[2850.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And, you know, in the pipeline and yeah, I mean, that's it.
[2862.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I'm not very good at answering that question, I don't think.
[2865.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Wait and see.
[2866.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Watch this space.
[2867.58] Jack: Watch this space.
[2868.86] Jack: We've roughly got 10 minutes.
[2870.3] Jack: We're going to try and get through a load of questions.
[2872.94] Jack: You ready, Steve?
[2874.3] Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2875.98] Jack: Sonic Tonic asks, when do we get to see more Superfly freestyle videos?
[2884.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I haven't I haven't posted one on YouTube is really, really old.
[2890.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I'm basically I've been hoping to get out and about a bit more this year.
[2896.94] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of battling a health issue.
[2901.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Some people who know me know I've had chronic fatigue for quite a long time.
[2905.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So that slightly restricts me from from kind of going to the best the best spots.
[2911.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, I hope to get out more and meet some of the pilots this year.
[2919.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So yeah, hopefully, hopefully some cool spots because I do most of my testing literally in
[2923.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: a field, you know, and I'm kind of a real test nerd.
[2926.94] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So I actually get a lot of pleasure just through going out and just testing, you know,
[2931.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and I've got a pretty, pretty kind of janky set up.
[2936.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But like, I'm still, you know, again, people know this, some people notice about me.
[2939.66] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I still use these kind of crappy box goggles and analog goggles.
[2945.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah.
[2946.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Wow.
[2947.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: What's your box goggle of choice, then?
[2950.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's a modified Eosheen EV 800.
[2953.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So yeah,
[2955.18] Stephen: a word in the chat, please go and buy this guy's frames.
[2959.58] Stephen: Like he needs some new goggles.
[2965.1] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got DJ and I've got walks now.
[2967.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But I just like I'm just, you know, I just haven't got round to fully integrating it into my
[2973.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: daily workflow.
[2974.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And the reality is, for me, is that I guess I get the enjoyment of FPV just through analog anyway.
[2981.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So it's, you know, so when I put these on, it's nice.
[2985.18] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's just like, it's the same thing, but just with a clearer picture.
[2988.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I'm still doing flips.
[2989.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I'm still experiencing the out of body experience.
[2992.06] Stephen: And if you haven't got tons of interference near you, then probably works just great.
[2996.06] Stephen: Well, I don't.
[2996.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, because I'm not.
[2998.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: This is going to be the problem.
[2999.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So when I go to drone fest, I've kind of had a talk with myself.
[3002.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Look, Steve, you've really got to win yourself off these box goggles,
[3006.94] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because you can't turn up to drone fest using them.
[3011.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You can, but you might not be seeing anything.
[3014.54] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah.
[3016.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So I've got to I've got to I've got to move on.
[3021.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, you get used to a certain field of view, you get used to, you know,
[3027.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: certain cameras and stuff.
[3029.02] Stephen: And yeah, just like a comfortable old pair of shoes fit your head perfectly.
[3036.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But the O3 has a good field of view.
[3038.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think I can live with the previous.
[3041.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: The Vista used to have so much distortion when you roll.
[3044.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So when you come back, it looks like the earth is like a bouncing ball.
[3049.1] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know that, you know, that view.
[3051.1] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I hate that.
[3053.5] Stephen: I would just get terrified when I did anything around trees,
[3057.66] Stephen: because I seem to have got this knack of I put the power to a sensible value,
[3063.1] Stephen: run 50 megabit mode, but and use the Nebula Pro camera.
[3067.1] Stephen: And I can make DJI just turn into a mosaic.
[3069.9] Stephen: The instant I fly anything with lots of leaves on the trees.
[3073.66] Stephen: And I was doing a punch out recently at this 10 S five inch that I flew
[3078.94] Stephen: on beta flight with VTX DJI, VTX.
[3082.86] Stephen: And I punched out above the canopy and it looked great.
[3085.66] Stephen: And then I went to dive down into the canopy and like halfway through the dive,
[3089.26] Stephen: the picture just turned into a series of large green squares and brown squares.
[3094.62] Stephen: And it was utterly terrifying.
[3096.3] Stephen: And that seems to happen more often than I would like on DJI.
[3099.26] Stephen: Not yet on walks now, but with DJI, that was terrifying.
[3103.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Crank your crank up the power and make sure you fully irradiate that tree.
[3107.58] Curry: I mean, I'll say that.
[3111.02] Curry: I showed you the video I did on walks down.
[3113.18] Curry: It was much the same thing.
[3114.14] Curry: I was flying in a corridor where there's grass there and there's lots of leave trees.
[3120.78] Curry: And it's like walks now just decided in this compression to say,
[3125.42] Curry: yeah, it's all just green and just like flat shaded the entire thing.
[3128.94] Curry: It's like, okay, so we're not getting detailed.
[3131.34] Curry: We're just getting smudge is a smudge of green.
[3134.94] Curry: That's going to be that.
[3135.74] Curry: That's going to be the background.
[3137.74] Curry: And then the latency went out to like 300 milliseconds or something.
[3140.46] Curry: And it got a bit scary.
[3143.1] Curry: That was fun.
[3145.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: He's still rocking.
[3145.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And then Curry, no, I'm working.
[3149.74] Curry: I'm working on walks now at the moment.
[3152.78] Curry: It's good when it's good.
[3155.18] Curry: I flew around some trees today and that was not today, yesterday.
[3158.46] Curry: And that was that was really nice.
[3159.74] Curry: Actually, it's like you could see a bit more.
[3161.9] Curry: And then I feel myself in the thing and this isn't that much better than analog.
[3165.02] Curry: And then I go back to analog in the same site and say, oh, this is like looking for a potato.
[3169.1] Curry: This is this is much worse.
[3170.62] Curry: But you can get used to things and you can have the same amount of
[3175.58] Curry: fun depending where you are.
[3177.34] Curry: You just got a sort of something.
[3179.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: There's something kind of adjust.
[3182.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, there's something I like about analog.
[3184.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I think, yeah, that's a splodge.
[3188.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got a question from Ryan.
[3189.58] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: How is a newest piece of light impacted tuning accessibility from your parts?
[3194.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Has it crippled deep dive tuning?
[3198.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: No, I think there's quite a lot of people who actually want to go into the deep dive tuning.
[3204.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I don't know if you Stephen, if you notice this, but there's still quite a lot of people
[3208.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because I have people turning up on my Discord server who are doing it and then struggling.
[3214.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And I have to sort of say to them, please choose my tune.
[3222.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: But yeah, it's yeah, I guess it's because people are interested in the technology.
[3229.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I think people who do cord copters are just generally
[3232.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: quite tech savvy people who are interested in tech stuff.
[3236.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: So they naturally get interested in that side and want to explore it.
[3243.98] Stephen: There have been some stuff who some people who are like, these are my magic numbers.
[3248.38] Stephen: My magic numbers make everything work.
[3250.38] Stephen: I must enter my magic numbers.
[3252.54] Stephen: And we've had to sort of wean them off and say, look, there is a relationship between these that
[3260.46] Stephen: comes down to the balance of your quad, how much your weight distribution is to the front or to
[3264.86] Stephen: the rear. And you just need to kind of tune these in and then increase this one until you've got
[3272.22] Stephen: that snap and grab that you want. And then it's going to be okay.
[3276.54] Stephen: You don't need to get this matrix of magic numbers anymore.
[3281.1] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely people who are quite hard to convince.
[3286.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Like they've decided that this works well.
[3289.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And even if you know that they need to do that, then yeah, yeah, magic numbers.
[3294.86] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, that's generally a sign if anyone says the word magic, you normally
[3300.14] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: know that they're really just they're in the world of superstition.
[3305.66] Stephen: It's become a religion. Yeah.
[3307.5] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah.
[3309.9] Jack: Um, right. I also asks, why does my busted up flip mode still fly better than 90% of my prebuilt quads?
[3321.9] Jack: Best flying quad I've had today, hardcore cine fly and it feels like an extension
[3326.86] Jack: myself is the easiest description. There's a worn out frame, soften things up and
[3333.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: No, I think he's just buttering me up, to be honest.
[3337.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, he's, but yeah, I mean, it does fly well. I will say that flip mode with a good tuning.
[3354.06] Jack: It's spot on.
[3356.54] Jack: Sonic tonic also asks, when do we get the super fly sonic tonic frame?
[3362.62] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, I mean, I can put that on the list. I've got like, I am I'm sponsoring people now. And I used
[3372.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: to have a bit of a cynical view about sponsorship. But I am I am doing it now. And I'm really, I'm
[3379.38] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: really happy with you know, there's great guys who are part of the super fly team. And, and if,
[3389.06] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, if, if you have enough of a following, you know, you can do a kind of custom version or
[3396.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: something like that. Yeah, I mean, definitely, definitely open to that sort of thing. And we did
[3402.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: obviously did the sync mode. And that was, you know, that was the first one I did with sync FPV.
[3408.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: And that went down quite well. And it's yeah, I'm happy with how that came out. Colored carbon.
[3416.26] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I was always a bit cynical, well, not cynical, but like, I thought that it would be too much,
[3420.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: because carbon itself looks cool, you know, on its own. But, but yeah, just just keeping it to the
[3427.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: body, I think, has kind of solved that one. It kind of gets the balance right. And looks cool with
[3434.98] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the matte carbon as well. So yeah, there's nothing more with a bit of bling. Doesn't, doesn't,
[3445.22] Stephen: doesn't, doesn't, manufacturers have been doing it for ages, haven't they might as well get in on
[3449.78] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the game. Yeah, well, you've got to be super fly. I mean, that's the whole point. Obviously,
[3456.42] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you got to, yeah, you got to, you got to look at your qualities. You've got to perform well,
[3461.22] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: but it's also, you know, it doesn't hurt if it looks cool as well. You've got to be the pimp at
[3465.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: the field. Yeah, as much as drone enthusiasts can be pimps at the same time. Yeah. Pimp nerd
[3472.98] Stephen: Venn diagram is actually small. There's one about 10s five inch. So a while ago,
[3482.58] Stephen: I decided to buy something random that I saw on a forum for a firmware that I don't really fly. And
[3490.66] Stephen: I kept it around for a while thinking what am I going to do with this? Can I be bothered to go in
[3495.06] Stephen: and use this application that I wasn't really interested in. And then I saw that Maytech were
[3500.66] Stephen: doing an F405 flight controller, which you could run beta flight. So I so I slapped that in there.
[3508.98] Stephen: And here we are 1100 KV on an AOS five, I'm afraid to apologize, but at least it's another Brit
[3517.14] Stephen: with DJI Vista. And yeah, it's designed for 10s to 5s packs in series, which just about mounts on
[3526.18] Stephen: top, I've had to mess around with the wiring a wee bit. It's got a couple of capacitors for good
[3530.82] Stephen: measure. It's a little bit terrifying. Just how are you? Sorry, how are you mounting them on the
[3536.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: top? Like is it too like that? Is it like a longitude? Yeah, I did experiment with so many
[3544.66] Stephen: different ways of doing this. What I ended up with was, I'll show you. Is it one on top and one
[3549.46] Stephen: underneath? No, no, nothing so sophisticated. I simply put them in like near and back to back.
[3563.3] Stephen: Side to side with the plugs in the middle. Double fisting.
[3569.62] Stephen: I aim to please.
[3572.34] Stephen: What do you? Right, there we are. So something like that. As my video decided to crap out me,
[3578.98] Stephen: great timing video. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Too much double fisting. Linux drivers.
[3586.42] Stephen: AMD drivers, unfortunately.
[3592.26] Stephen: How many, Stephen, how many ma are there? So 700 ma 5s. So 700 ma of 10s, basically.
[3603.38] Stephen: Let me see if I can get this camera back. It's kind of nuts.
[3606.82] Stephen: There we are. So there you are. And then I've got an adapter that takes two XT 30s because they
[3613.54] Stephen: only need to be XT 30s on a 700 ma pack and puts those into a single XT 60. And then I've got a
[3620.02] Stephen: big long XT 60 lead because it's 12 gauge, but it doesn't matter too much because I'm only dealing
[3626.9] Stephen: with 700 ma packs. So the current isn't that much. And then that reaches over the top. It's not the
[3632.02] Stephen: best and it wouldn't deal with hardcore bashing at all. CG is looking quite, quite really heavy
[3637.3] Stephen: there. Yeah, it's well, that's because I haven't actually pushed them in properly to that. It
[3642.58] Stephen: should be. Okay, can you get it? Yeah. The fly feel the fly position is more like that.
[3651.46] Stephen: Beautiful. Right at the back of the batteries. And then I've got another strap at the front
[3656.58] Stephen: of the batteries that I've only got one. Okay, okay. Yeah. So it flies surprisingly tame. It's
[3665.14] Stephen: not like it's 1100 KV. It's 1100 KV. So it's a quick 1100 KV on 10s is roughly kind of
[3676.74] Stephen: on success about a 1900 KV. That's that type of feel. So it's just a different characteristic.
[3686.9] Stephen: Like when you do a punch out, you get much less voltage sag because it's happy to just give those
[3691.22] Stephen: big bursts of current without the internal resistance that cells shooting up it seems.
[3696.02] Stephen: Everything just feels a little bit more efficient, but it is cumbersome. I mean, ergonomically,
[3700.42] Stephen: it's a nightmare. It's not. It's a pain to get the batteries on. No one's making any 10s packs.
[3706.74] Stephen: But just for giggles. So I saw someone did an A test build and I've got an A test seven inch,
[3713.54] Stephen: but on the five inch, I've only got six S builds and four S builds. So yeah, just for a giggle.
[3720.42] Stephen: Sorry, I went on for a while on that one, but that's it. Yeah, it's cool. It's nice,
[3725.7] Stephen: interesting. Yeah, just to see what happens. Do something different. Yeah.
[3729.78] Jack: Have we got any other questions? No. Other than the motor tuning, does anyone
[3737.7] Jack: do any both use the, what is it? The motor mixing? I think that was it.
[3745.46] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, that's a bit of a blast from the past that one motor mixing.
[3750.5] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: No, I don't think anyone does it anymore. I mean, I remember that. I remember that trend.
[3754.02] Stephen: I remember doing it myself. I think you needed a different mix for dead cats and things, didn't
[3761.94] Stephen: they? But oh, you're a different geometry, you need to change your motor mixing. Yeah, I mean,
[3766.66] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: technically, it would be appropriate to do it with dead cat. I think in the end, it just people just
[3771.86] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: realized that it didn't make much difference. Because I think I think the motor mixing, you
[3777.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: know, I remember doing this, I would measure the motor positions. And then you'd, you'd actually
[3783.3] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: specifically set the PID controller to expect the motors to be where they were, you know,
[3788.34] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: where you told it. But yeah, I mean, it just fizzled out that that that craze. I mean, there's
[3796.74] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: good, there's been a lot of, do you remember angled motor mounts? I think Jack does. They were,
[3803.84] Stephen: they were pretty rubbish. Before people figured out that they could tilt. Was that to not tilt
[3810.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: cameras? That was the blue weirdly as well. Because the motors weren't on the right plane.
[3817.76] Jack: But yeah, yeah, that's, that's gone. Do you remember mount in one motor at the rear to push
[3826.88] Jack: you along? Do you remember that like boom, copter? I mean, I remember someone doing it.
[3834.08] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah. To be honest with you, I mean, I'm quite conservative, not conservative,
[3838.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: maybe traditionalist. You know, when I started designing frames, I kind of thought, right,
[3843.12] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: you know, I'm going to really seriously think about some super cool way to design a frame
[3848.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that no one's done before. And I spent a bit of time looking, looking around, you know,
[3853.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: what other people have done. And I just came to the conclusion that actually, where we were at
[3858.56] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: that point, was actually probably the best place to be. And that, you know, that actually trying,
[3867.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I mean, I've seen people try and do kind of have crazy ideas, but they always flopped. And, you
[3873.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: know, I think something that's not very commonly said, but we're actually, I think, very lucky
[3879.36] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: to have access to carbon fiber, some materials that we use for frames, and the off the shelf
[3886.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: parts that we can use to build them with. You know, I wouldn't have ended up designing frames
[3891.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: if it wasn't, if there wasn't that availability. Because if you were to hire, to get a professional
[3897.52] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: company to try and design a drone frame, it's really expensive. But the fact that we've got
[3902.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: access to carbon fiber, which is such a tough material, we've got the standoffs, we've got
[3906.72] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: screws off the shelf, you can come up with designs that perform. There's like a major,
[3913.84] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: what's the word, punch. You get a lot of bang for your buck, basically, with a force multiplier,
[3919.68] Stephen: you've got access to these technologies that let you punch above your weight, being a small man.
[3924.08] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: The hobby, yeah, I think the performance that we get in the hobby punches way above
[3929.28] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: its weight. And if you put, if you put like a high end design company onto designing a freestyle
[3935.2] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: mini quad, I'm skeptical about whether or not they'd come up with anything better than what we've
[3939.68] Stephen: got now. You might find something looking a bit flashy, but not necessarily performing much better
[3944.48] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: or being much more usable than what we have. I'd bet you anything, they would look flashier,
[3950.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: and then it would be taken out into the bandos and stuff, and it would just get smashed. Yeah.
[3955.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: You know, because they would try and make it look consumer, kind of look cool. Maybe you could do
[3961.36] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: something with improve the aero, that's maybe something that an area that people could work
[3965.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: with. But otherwise, you know, the durability of these frames now and what people do with them,
[3970.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: it's just insane. And the performance they've got is impressive. You know, it always impresses
[3976.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: everyone when you do a punch out, you know, whatever. So yeah, I mean, yeah, for the sake
[3983.76] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: of two or 3% gains, it's just not worth it. Yeah, if there are the gains there, I mean, I'm not even
[3991.6] Stephen: convinced that you probably end up in a world where you need to buy a new set of
[3995.12] Stephen: screwdrivers because they use some special bit that didn't work with anyone else's screws.
[3999.68] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Maybe molded carbon. That's something that you could maybe do. And someone tried to do that in
[4004.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: South Korea or Japan, they were doing molded carbon frames,
[4010.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: raised frames. Do you remember them? They were like a sort of bubble. Yeah.
[4013.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: With light. There was a few of them. I know Formula One uses, Formula One uses, obviously,
[4019.6] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: has quite a lot of carbon fiber technology, and they're wrapping it. And you could maybe do
[4024.08] Jack: something with more than carbon frames and fossil stuff made out of milk cartons.
[4031.84] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: That's a classic. Yeah. That was a massive frame of fossil gravity. Do you remember that?
[4038.56] Jack: Yeah, man. Martin rise of massive help to the show in our early days helped us get established.
[4045.84] Jack: Yeah. Some other people. There's the night show. Greg from Venice. I drone. Yeah. All those old
[4054.32] Jack: names. First person view, Radio C. Dominic Clifton asked Superfly, what's your favorite
[4062.08] Jack: flight controller and why? Quickly. And then we've got a question. Loaded question.
[4067.44] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's the best. So the SP racing board. SPF3. Yeah. I mean, I've flown one of, I had a
[4080.64] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Lightning, which I think he had a hand in designing. I like the look. I like the
[4085.04] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: SP racing flight controllers. He's a good designer. There's a lot of Fox Air on your shop.
[4092.16] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Just that. There is. I currently am stocking the Fox Air. I really like, I think Fox Air
[4097.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: do a great job. I mean, we've just spent, I mean, in the B2Flight group, we've spent about a year
[4104.24] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: talking to brands and trying different stuff and trying to be able to give a steer basically to
[4110.8] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: people because of the difficulties with the gyro and the chip shortages and stuff. The QC on the
[4115.52] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: flight controllers went downhill. Fox Air, I used to be a big fan of Teamota. I think maybe I've
[4126.64] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: heard some feedbacks not so great recently. Acon is one of my favorite brands as well.
[4137.84] Jack: Box goggles. Was that? In NACE32 to go along with your box goggles.
[4146.0] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yeah, that is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can take the piss out my box goggles if you like,
[4150.72] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: but you know. I like the box goggles. They get a great view. I got a big ass view. That's
[4155.6] Jack: beautiful. Yeah. Do you know what you should do, which I hope that you consider is, you know,
[4161.36] Jack: you get the DJI screen that you plug into the goggles. You could be a complete baller at FPV
[4168.56] Jack: Drone Fest and have like the screen output and use that and just have your goggles on the side.
[4177.52] Stephen: And have like a giant polystyrene headset with a little.
[4181.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: If I was really to go old school, I could get the Quantum V2. Do you remember that?
[4185.92] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: Yes. Yeah. That was my first little goggles and I could put a DJI screen into that. Maybe that
[4191.12] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: would be pretty. That is that is the probably the least cool looking goggle that you can get.
[4200.32] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: It's because it had this neoprene sock that you basically wrap around your whole face.
[4206.64] Jack: So it looked like a horse feeder. Wonderful. Hey man, that's how so many people got into the hobby.
[4214.08] Stephen: KK2, 1.0. You wouldn't want to lose any of that precious sweat on a hot day, would you? You've
[4218.96] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: got to keep it in. Yeah, exactly. And you've got to keep a very kind of streetwise, you know,
[4228.56] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: I've got to uphold the reputation of the brand by making sure that I look by wearing a neoprene
[4234.08] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: head sock. Well, there was an urban camo version of that, which was cool. That was cool. Yeah,
[4242.88] Jack: they'd done that with the Dominator HD2s, didn't they? They had the urban camouflage and everything.
[4253.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: A live cat. Well, you know, it's like it's very, it's very warlike hobby. Well, actually,
[4259.9] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: on the subject of being a warlike, it is in FPV drone fest is in a war zone. It's like a sort of,
[4269.02] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: what's it called? Airsoft. And it's, yeah. Well, you guys have had the big pitch anyway,
[4276.14] Stephen: you had it last week. Yeah. No rampant airsoft people running around so that there'll be no
[4282.7] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: soft targets to worry about. No, well, we could get some of the drone fest people to run around
[4289.5] Stephen: and that'd be fun. There will be competitions. I don't know quite how dangerous the competitions
[4295.74] Stephen: will be. We'll have to wait and see. There's definitely going to be some... You've got to
[4299.82] Stephen "Supafly" Wright: queue up to fly. Yeah, I requested that I have a Chesterfield to sit on the end of the,
[4307.33] Stephen: so I can just fly constantly being a sponsor. So I just sit there and just fly. People bring
[4313.57] Stephen: you cigars and brandy and you just sit there. Exactly. Unfortunately, that is all we've got
[4320.45] Jack: time for. We might do a bonus podcast depending on how the other guys feel about that. It would
[4327.09] Jack: be nice because we haven't done one in a while. The show Let Drone Out is sponsored and supported
[4334.93] Jack: by our lovely Patreons. These guys are the ones that allow the audio podcast part of this video
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[4370.85] Jack: It means that you can come see all our faces and see the random slides that we hold up and
[4377.57] Jack: different quads. Thank you, Cole. Thank you, Curry, for presenting wonderful retro things to us.
[4385.81] Jack: Steven, thank you for getting our lovely guest on. Superfly Steven,
[4392.53] Jack: it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on. You're always welcome on the show.
[4397.73] Jack: Thanks for having me. Yeah, what a pleasure. And hopefully, maybe you could send us some links to
[4404.69] Jack: post in the bottom of the chat for like tuning guides and stuff. And like any useful information.
[4410.21] Stephen: I think people just want to go to superflyfpv.com, don't they? With an A?
[4417.25] Koel: Yes. All links are in the video description immediately after this video.
[4422.85] Stephen: Thank you for our awesome social media expert, Cole, for coming up with a nice
[4427.09] Stephen: thumbnail and just making sure that that part of the show slides smoothly along.
[4432.29] Jack: Yep. So yeah, hopefully we can show some logs to Superfly, maybe in a bonus pod, who knows.
[4442.93] Jack: You've been joined by our host, Steven. Thanks, everyone.
[4448.61] Jack: I'll be right until I fly. Everyone's favorite Curry kitten. Goodbye, our buddy Cole. See ya.
[4459.41] Jack: And the waterfall of Superfly. Thank you. Good night. Bye.