=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 410 ===
Title: LDO 410 - Chris Motherhubbard G
Recorded: 2023-07-06
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Chris "Mothereffin" G
Total audience: 1,155
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2U6nHXISM); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1559381164-letsdroneout-ldo-410-chris-motherhubbard-g.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello! And you're listening to Electrone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to...
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner
[18.0] Stephen: Sam Dahmer
[20.0] ChrisG: On with the show
[22.0] ChrisG: Let's drone out now
[52.45] Jack: Hello and welcome back, you're listening to Electrone Out
[56.45] Jack: Tonight we are joined by our Lord of Master, Andrew Sashrang
[62.45] Jack: Good evening
[64.45] Jack: All hail, praise be with you
[68.45] Jack: The man with the moustache, Stephen
[70.45] Jack: Good evening
[72.45] Jack: And I'm bright until I fly, and tonight's guest, who we haven't had on for a very long time, and I do apologise about that, is the...
[83.45] Jack: The, uh, sorry editor, Chris Motherf***ing G
[87.45] Jack: This is what Jack...
[93.45] Frank: This is how he's introduced by Jack, everywhere they go
[99.45] Jack: And if you do not address him by his full title
[103.45] ChrisG: You told off your neighbours for that the other day
[107.45] ChrisG: I guess you're on work in terms with them
[111.45] Jack: I know, I know, it's funny, I don't think they pay a bit of attention, I think they just think I'm a nutjob
[119.45] Jack: Hello Chris G, and welcome back
[123.45] Jack: How have you been?
[125.45] ChrisG: Yeah, yeah, good
[127.45] ChrisG: We enjoyed that flight that we did the other weekend
[131.45] ChrisG: No one got food poisoning
[135.45] ChrisG: No, no, and I still need to make you your five star shirt
[141.45] ChrisG: Yeah, I know
[145.45] ChrisG: I've been going around to work offering out dog poo bin stickers to people, they've been looking at me very perplexed
[151.45] Jack: How about Andy? Andy RC doesn't exist anymore, does he?
[156.45] ChrisG: I mean, there was a couple of people who sort of gave me a ride, like, yeah, okay, I get it
[163.45] ChrisG: I know what this is
[165.45] ChrisG: But most people, yeah, they didn't really know
[169.45] Stephen: I've never heard of the dog poo bin dive
[171.45] ChrisG: See, they all watch Joshua Barwell, and it's like, well, why?
[175.45] ChrisG: Watch Andy RC
[177.45] Jack: Andy RC isn't going anymore, they've got no choice
[181.45] ChrisG: Yeah, it's vintage stuff now
[185.45] Jack: I know, I've now got so many dog poo stickers
[189.45] Jack: Yeah, so many dog poo stickers that I don't know what to do with, and no one knows, or we don't have, no longer have an Andy RC
[198.45] Frank: Well, you say that, but Andy RC and his mate Phil, well, particularly Phil sent me this the other day
[207.45] Frank: So I got that to maiden at some point
[210.45] Frank: Awesome
[211.45] Frank: Four channel thing
[213.45] Frank: What size prep is that?
[215.45] Frank: I do need to look that up, because I think it needs a new one
[218.45] Frank: It's a 9x6
[220.45] ChrisG: Has it got a bent shaft on it, like my Acro up?
[224.73] Frank: Uh, yeah, slightly
[228.73] Frank: You'll notice that
[231.73] Stephen: This does look realistic noise
[233.73] ChrisG: Proton, if you have any bent shafts on your planes, certainly if they have 3mm motor shaft diameters, get an old DVD drive
[247.07] ChrisG: Harvest the laser guide rails out of it, and they're 3mm really hard steel, much better than the shafts that usually come in the motors
[255.07] ChrisG: I've done that a few times now, and it works really well
[258.07] Jack: Do you have to cut a little groove in it for like a C clip? Yeah, so you're going to need a lathe
[269.07] ChrisG: No, just use a grinder
[272.07] ChrisG: Just use a little
[275.07] Stephen: I think at this point I'll probably have bought another motor before I got to the end of the set of instructions
[282.07] ChrisG: That's the thing these days, it's too cheap
[285.07] ChrisG: Back in the day, that wasn't an option
[288.07] Jack: Yeah, so for anyone uninitiated, Chris G is a friend of the shows and a personal friend of ours
[297.07] Jack: And he is the BMFA on legs
[305.07] Jack: But appreciates and understands new technology and isn't afraid of it
[312.45] Jack: So he's got, yeah
[314.45] Jack: Is that fair to say that you have this BMFA sort of old school, make it and build it yourself
[322.45] Jack: And make do a men sort of, you know, men in sheds kind of way about him
[328.45] Jack: But he colorates us idiots
[331.45] Jack: And we learn from him, so the knowledge trickles down, and we're all like
[337.45] Jack: And then slowly we've learned to walk that way
[341.45] Stephen: Wait Jack, can we just rewind that? You say we, I think what you actually mean is you
[347.45] Jack: No, you're scared of PWN, don't give me that
[351.45] Stephen: I'm not scared of it
[352.45] Stephen: Oh, you wouldn't like to work in that company
[355.45] ChrisG: Or PWN all the way
[357.45] ChrisG: Everything's PWN, yeah
[359.45] ChrisG: Something will go digital
[361.45] Frank: But, wow
[363.45] ChrisG: I think it's just a big drone thing
[365.45] ChrisG: Like, we're always, they don't like using digital signals yet
[369.45] ChrisG: Because the house is sitting in order to noise
[375.45] Stephen: That's kind of, well, the opposite's true because we've had some issues with ESCs
[380.45] Stephen: And to detect the kind of power on blip as a PWM signal
[386.45] Stephen: And randomly spin the props
[388.45] Stephen: And so now people have got, actually got the ESCs to lock into DSHOT
[394.45] Stephen: And only accept DSHOT
[397.45] Stephen: So that when they arm, when they get the power attached
[400.45] Stephen: There's no bursts of noise that can be misinterpreted as a now full throttle please
[406.45] Stephen: Which apparently happened in a couple of pilots' hands
[409.45] Stephen: That was a bit scary
[411.45] Stephen: That's all part of the fun, surely
[414.45] Stephen: How big are the props on the drones that you're flying?
[417.45] Stephen: 40 inch
[419.45] Stephen: Yeah, so not so much a nick as a decapitation
[423.45] ChrisG: What it does, it focuses the mind
[426.45] ChrisG: Yeah
[427.45] ChrisG: And about
[429.45] ChrisG: Yeah, yeah
[431.45] ChrisG: It's a cure for complacency, let's say
[435.45] Stephen: And a lack of firing
[438.45] Jack: I do apologise, you are not included in this
[442.45] Jack: You're very much very, very capable
[447.45] Jack: But yeah, I just, I don't know
[451.45] Jack: I'm a big fan of Chris G, he's very lovable
[456.45] Jack: You've been doing some wing racing with Frank
[459.45] Jack: Yeah
[460.45] Jack: And he went to Wales
[462.45] Jack: How did that go you two?
[465.45] ChrisG: It went very well, I mean
[467.45] ChrisG: I was very impressed with Frank's performance
[469.45] Frank: Thank you, I took off, I raced
[472.45] Frank: I landed multiple times
[474.45] Stephen: You were able to carry the aircraft back in more or less one piece
[478.45] Stephen: I wasn't last, it still flew at the end of the weekend
[481.45] Stephen: It still flew at the end of the weekend
[483.45] Stephen: That's impressive
[484.45] Frank: Yep
[485.45] Frank: And it had some repairs in the process
[489.45] Frank: But still, you know, I was still flying at the end of it
[493.45] Frank: I didn't have as good a weekend as Chris G
[496.45] Frank: I mean, to kind of illustrate his range
[501.45] Frank: I mean, you were putting the, because we were hosted by the Valley Flyers
[506.45] Frank: who are a BMFA club in South Wales
[510.45] Frank: And so, you know, they've been going for decades
[515.45] Frank: They've got this field from their local council
[520.45] Frank: And they've got, you know, the big gasses
[523.45] Frank: The big hand built, scratch built, balls of planes and things
[527.45] Frank: They've also got some newer things
[529.45] Frank: Like some foam board stuff, some foamy
[532.45] Frank: They've got all sorts there
[534.45] Frank: But, you know, Chris G gets his Acro Watt out
[538.45] Frank: And was putting everyone else to shame, flying line of sight
[542.45] Frank: Because we were borrowing their field
[546.45] Frank: There was a lot of racing in the morning
[548.45] Frank: And then they had a big slot around lunchtime
[551.45] Frank: So that the club could actually fly, you know, their models
[555.45] Frank: And then we had a load of racing all the way through into the evening
[558.45] Frank: And carried on into night flying
[560.45] Frank: And so in that slot in the middle, when it was a quiet moment, Chris G
[563.45] Frank: Just kind of went out there with the Acro Watt
[565.45] Frank: And everyone else was like, ah, okay
[568.45] Frank: That's how you're going to fly
[571.45] ChrisG: I love that plane
[573.45] ChrisG: It just, it flies so well
[575.45] ChrisG: It makes me look like a good pilot when I fly it
[578.45] ChrisG: So I fly it
[580.45] Frank: Yeah
[582.45] Frank: And everyone was
[584.45] ChrisG: Chris was an amazing designer
[585.45] Frank: So shout out Chris Foss
[587.45] Frank: We should get him on the show at some point
[589.45] Stephen: What type of moves are you able to do with that plane that you can't with others then for the uninitiated?
[594.45] ChrisG: I can do, it's not that I can do anything with that plane necessarily
[598.45] ChrisG: I can't do with another plane like this 3D printed one behind me
[601.45] ChrisG: It's just that it does it so much better
[605.45] ChrisG: It's just so much easier
[607.45] ChrisG: So like knife edges, rolling circles
[610.45] ChrisG: Flying very low inverted
[612.45] ChrisG: Doing low inverted figures of eight
[614.45] ChrisG: Just around the patch
[616.45] ChrisG: Flying inverted through gates
[618.45] ChrisG: Yeah
[620.45] Jack: Nice
[622.45] Jack: He's a real G, you know
[624.45] Jack: Like, you know, Dr. Dre comes on
[627.45] Jack: And then he's just like
[629.45] Jack: He's just like
[631.45] Jack: Still turns, wing overs, everything
[634.45] Jack: You're like, do this
[636.45] Jack: And then he'll just do it
[638.45] Jack: I sound like a Chris G hype man
[641.45] Jack: But it is truly a spectacle to enjoy
[645.45] Frank: Everyone was like joking
[647.45] Frank: Go on Chris, fly through the gate
[649.45] Frank: And he just flies through the gate
[651.45] Frank: And they're like, yeah, yeah, alright
[653.45] Frank: Now I'll do it inverted
[655.45] Frank: You see Chris just sort of eyeing it up
[657.45] Frank: And having a few passes
[659.45] Frank: And then he does it
[660.45] Frank: He's like, for his own, you could tell
[662.45] Frank: For his own satisfaction, he had to go the other way as well
[665.45] Frank: Just to like, yep
[667.45] Frank: Completeness
[669.45] Frank: To be able to do it upwind and downwind
[671.45] ChrisG: I did stack it on one of those occasions
[674.45] ChrisG: But Frank's too nice to mention that
[676.45] ChrisG: That's alright, no one noticed that bit
[678.45] ChrisG: You don't remember that bit
[679.45] ChrisG: You were all distracting them then, I'm sure
[682.45] Frank: Yeah
[683.45] Frank: We were just diving out the way of the old boys
[686.45] Frank: With the massive great big thing that just kind of
[689.45] Frank: Almost took out the entire audience
[692.45] Frank: Oh yeah
[694.45] Frank: That was a bit dodge
[697.45] ChrisG: I was like, where is this going?
[699.45] ChrisG: Keep eyes on this
[701.45] ChrisG: So I pulled around a bit
[703.45] Frank: It sort of flew over the pits
[705.45] Frank: Over the car park, back
[707.45] Frank: Sort of below the tree line, through the gate
[709.45] Frank: Where everyone comes into the field
[711.45] Frank: And then sort of into a big crowd
[713.45] Frank: Where people were
[715.45] Frank: I just saw people just
[718.45] Frank: These seven-year-old guys just sort of diving out the way for dear life
[723.45] Frank: Oh gosh
[724.45] Frank: So that's why I think
[726.45] Frank: We're tolerated there
[728.45] Frank: With the ring racing
[730.45] Frank: Because they realise
[732.45] Frank: Compared to everything they got up to
[734.45] Frank: On a day-to-day basis
[736.45] Frank: We're fairly low risk really
[739.45] ChrisG: We had a couple
[741.45] ChrisG: About three random guys just
[743.45] ChrisG: Walking through at one point
[745.45] ChrisG: They were just walking through a cowfield
[747.45] ChrisG: And then they sort of came across us
[749.45] ChrisG: And were like, wow, I've never seen this before
[751.45] ChrisG: And just sat on the grass and watched us do a few heats
[753.45] ChrisG: And yeah, I think they loved it
[755.45] ChrisG: So I'm all about
[757.45] ChrisG: Showing more ring racing to people
[760.45] ChrisG: I think it's a great spectator sport
[763.45] ChrisG: Compared to the quad racing
[765.45] ChrisG: I think the quad racing is great as a young man's game
[768.45] ChrisG: But I don't think I'm going to win any
[771.45] ChrisG: Championships at this point
[774.45] Jack: Frank, what's the crash?
[777.45] Jack: Or have you already mentioned that?
[780.45] Jack: I don't know what I was talking about, yeah
[782.45] Jack: A follow-up question
[783.45] Jack: What's your beer?
[785.45] Frank: The beer tonight is from Lung Dog Brewery
[789.45] Frank: And it's called Royal Corgi
[791.45] Frank: Very nice
[794.86] Jack: And on Cursed Potter
[797.86] Jack: I was horrified at the state of your FPV camera
[804.94] Jack: On your wing, Chris
[809.94] Jack: That was quite interesting
[814.94] Jack: Very, very trippy
[816.94] Jack: I might even get the...
[818.94] Jack: Is it in colour?
[820.94] Jack: It was definitely in colour, yes
[822.94] ChrisG: Technicolor
[823.94] Stephen: Not necessarily the right colours
[827.94] ChrisG: No, it's definitely not
[830.94] ChrisG: It's an old rung cam
[832.94] ChrisG: The CCD
[833.94] ChrisG: And for some reason, sometimes when you power it on
[835.94] ChrisG: I don't know why there must be a slightly loose connection
[838.94] ChrisG: Today it's purple
[839.94] ChrisG: It's got acid colours
[841.94] ChrisG: And there was a couple of heats at the race that had to race like that
[844.94] ChrisG: And it wasn't fun
[846.94] ChrisG: But just about managed
[848.94] ChrisG: Did you bank too far over
[850.94] ChrisG: And then just everything suddenly goes black
[853.94] ChrisG: Oh, geez
[854.94] Jack: Chris, can you talk about your little holiday at the thingy hotel?
[864.94] Jack: If you want to
[867.94] ChrisG: I'll give Spiros as much publicity as I possibly can
[871.94] ChrisG: Because he's got an awesome place over there
[874.94] Jack: Okay, so Chris has been regaling me of stories of this Promised Land
[881.94] Jack: Is it RC Hotel?
[883.94] Jack: That's right
[884.94] ChrisG: And that's like letters RC
[886.94] ChrisG: Not RC, like, oh, I'm a really RC person
[892.94] ChrisG: Not in my app
[894.94] Jack: Okay
[898.94] ChrisG: You need to see the website
[901.94] Frank: Is it circa 1989?
[904.94] Frank: Something like that
[906.94] Frank: But still shows what it's like
[912.88] Frank: Oh, wow, yeah
[915.88] Frank: That is quite the website
[917.88] Frank: RCHotel.com
[919.88] Frank: Yeah
[920.88] ChrisG: Wow
[922.88] ChrisG: So this is, yeah, it's like a, like Jack says, a bit of a Promised Land for people who like flying
[931.88] ChrisG: Mostly line of sight, traditional models
[935.88] ChrisG: But they do tolerate FPV there as well, which is always a good sign
[940.88] ChrisG: And if you actually look at the image on Google Earth, you can see there's an FPV track set up in it
[946.88] ChrisG: Which must have been set up just before I went
[950.88] ChrisG: But, yeah, you basically just, you go to this up
[953.88] ChrisG: Oh, here we go, here's my DVR
[956.88] Jack: He flies like this, people
[958.88] Jack: And all I can say is, it's horrendous
[964.88] Jack: Just preparing for flying on Mars
[967.88] ChrisG: Yeah
[971.88] ChrisG: You can, you can see where you're going some of the time
[975.88] ChrisG: Yeah
[977.88] Jack: I can't describe it
[979.88] Jack: Anyone listening to this audibly, it's like Kodak film gone wrong
[985.88] Stephen: It almost reminds me of the trippy scenes from 2001
[990.88] Jack: Yes
[991.88] Stephen: More of a flying
[993.88] Jack: Yeah, look, look at this
[995.88] Stephen: The sound is 50% blank sometimes
[998.88] Stephen: It's just a black void
[1000.88] Stephen: And you could tell the other bits of the sky because it's purple
[1005.83] Jack: I've never met anyone like you
[1007.83] Jack: If it's not green where the sun is
[1009.83] Jack: Yeah
[1010.83] Jack: It's madness
[1015.2] Jack: And I will warn you that there is strong gales and gusts
[1020.2] Jack: And it's so windy
[1022.2] Jack: I mean, Frank, Frank bless your little heart
[1025.2] Jack: You did have a go and you were like, nah
[1029.2] Jack: Once you landed, you were like, nah, nah, this isn't for me
[1033.2] Jack: But Chris, it was just pack after pack after pack
[1037.2] Jack: We're having a bit of a fundraiser
[1040.2] Jack: We want to try and get some Chris G, some decent 2200 packs
[1046.2] Stephen: We're all going to buy him a brand new camera from like 2017 to update his setup
[1053.2] Stephen: I know
[1055.2] ChrisG: I think it's
[1057.2] Jack: It's just black, it's just black, there's nothing there, it's like good luck
[1061.2] ChrisG: But what you need to know is that this plane, I've had this plane since I was 14
[1066.2] ChrisG: So it's kind of appropriate
[1068.2] ChrisG: It kind of just seems to fit
[1070.2] ChrisG: It's almost like I don't want to change it
[1072.2] Stephen: At times I'm like, surely you're about to hit the ground
[1075.2] Stephen: Surely you're about to hit the ground
[1077.2] Stephen: It's just a big black thing with a flicker of brown in the middle
[1082.2] ChrisG: You just don't look at the black
[1084.2] ChrisG: There's no information in the black
[1086.2] ChrisG: You can just look at the rest of it
[1089.2] Jack: Flying by sense of smell
[1091.2] Jack: Man
[1092.2] ChrisG: There's some pixels there, it's okay
[1099.2] ChrisG: That was a good little bash down in Hidden Valley, even though it was very windy
[1104.2] Jack: Yeah, I enjoyed it man, it was lovely
[1107.2] Jack: I mean, you delivered Frank, it was a nice day
[1110.2] Jack: We ate like teams
[1112.2] Frank: It really calmed down at the end
[1115.2] Jack: I just wish it'd come down when it's calm weather
[1119.2] Jack: You could do a bit of...
[1123.2] Jack: It definitely comes down again
[1125.2] Jack: Yeah, a bit of Jack tries to fly line of sight
[1132.2] Jack: Which terrifies me, but it needs to be done
[1136.2] ChrisG: See if I can convince my friend to come this time
[1141.2] ChrisG: Mr. High got two drones stuck in a clay factory
[1147.2] Jack: He still hasn't got that yet
[1149.2] Jack: Oh, with a working camera
[1151.2] Jack: Yeah, this is Frank, this is how we're meant to fly
[1154.2] Jack: I know, yeah, I know, HD zero
[1157.2] Jack: There's green in the image
[1160.2] Jack: Very, very windy
[1164.58] Jack: Very, very windy
[1167.58] Stephen: Frank is basically circling
[1169.58] Stephen: He doesn't want to go too far in any direction
[1171.58] Stephen: In case he finds himself going against the wind, I guess
[1174.58] Frank: Frank don't really go landing
[1178.58] Frank: Eventually, with this one
[1180.58] Frank: Yeah, there was definitely moments where I was like
[1183.58] Frank: Even backing off the throttle because I thought it was talk roll
[1186.58] Frank: Because I was holding like full stick, like full rolls in it
[1191.58] Frank: And it was just barely even staying level
[1194.58] Frank: And maybe even kicking the other way
[1196.58] Frank: And I'm like, oh my God, this is terrible
[1198.58] Frank: I have no control over where this is going
[1200.58] Frank: So, yeah, I had to kind of call it a day fairly quickly
[1204.58] Frank: Until the wind died down
[1206.58] ChrisG: It did actually die right down at the end
[1209.58] Frank: Right at the end of the day
[1211.58] Frank: First thing in the morning, last thing in the evening, the wind dies down
[1215.58] Frank: And that's usually when we're not there
[1219.58] Jack: Maybe we need to source some accommodation
[1223.58] Jack: So that we can make a really good ruddy go at it
[1226.58] Stephen: Yeah, at the same thing with when I was trying to fly a little plane there
[1232.58] Stephen: And I was like, oh, it'll be fine, it'll be fine
[1234.58] Stephen: The wind will die down
[1235.58] Stephen: Jack throws the plane into the air
[1237.58] Stephen: Big gust comes along, plane smashes it into ground
[1240.58] Stephen: I'm like, right, guess I'll get the quads then
[1244.58] Jack: I do apologize about that
[1246.58] Jack: Frank did have some success though
[1249.58] Jack: Once the wind calmed down
[1252.58] Frank: Yeah
[1253.58] ChrisG: I couldn't believe how powerful that flying fish was
[1256.58] Frank: Yeah, the flying fish is good
[1257.58] Frank: I need to get some FPV on that
[1259.58] ChrisG: It was ripping itself out of my hand when I was launching it for you
[1262.58] ChrisG: I was like, Jesus
[1263.58] Stephen: Oh, you got one as well
[1264.58] Stephen: That's the one I've got, the flying fish
[1266.58] Stephen: Yeah, it's good
[1267.58] Stephen: I like it
[1268.58] Stephen: Two motors for the wind
[1270.58] Stephen: Yep
[1271.58] Frank: Slightly disappointed it doesn't have differential thrust
[1274.58] Frank: But
[1275.58] Frank: You could wire again
[1276.58] Frank: Oh, you shut that up
[1278.58] Frank: No, because it's got a two-in-one ESC that only has one input
[1282.58] Frank: As far as I can tell
[1285.58] ChrisG: Can you not make it have two inputs?
[1287.58] ChrisG: There's two outputs
[1290.58] Frank: Well
[1291.58] Stephen: Yeah, because you literally can't run
[1294.58] Stephen: You can't run two brushless motors off one ESC
[1297.58] Stephen: So there's two independent ESC, I think
[1299.58] ChrisG: Well, you can, but so long as there's like no difference in the loading whatsoever
[1305.58] Stephen: Yeah, which means no
[1307.58] ChrisG: Which basically means no, yes
[1310.58] ChrisG: I've seen people try it before
[1312.58] Stephen: Yeah, I thought that the adapter was
[1315.58] Stephen: It had two inputs and the cable was just fudging it
[1319.58] Stephen: Oh, maybe
[1320.58] Frank: I didn't know that
[1321.58] Stephen: I think that the wiring harness like turns a single pin into two wires
[1326.58] Stephen: So you just need to, you know, mess with the wiring harness on that
[1331.58] Stephen: I'll have another look at some point
[1332.58] Stephen: But then I mentioned this to people in the iNav group
[1334.58] Stephen: And they're like, ah, don't use a differential thrust, it's poop
[1337.58] Stephen: So I don't
[1338.58] Frank: I have heard that iNav doesn't deal with differential thrust very well
[1342.58] Frank: But that's fine, I just don't use a flight controller
[1346.58] Frank: Yeah
[1348.58] ChrisG: We've been getting a ton of iNav anyway, haven't we, Frank?
[1353.58] ChrisG: Did we figure out what was wrong with that?
[1356.58] ChrisG: Oh, yes, wait, I fixed it now
[1360.58] Frank: Oh, yeah, your quads are on iNav
[1362.58] Stephen: Yeah, how good about that?
[1363.58] Stephen: Oh, yeah, don't run quads on iNav float
[1366.58] Stephen: It's like if you're going to do that stuff, you might as well just run an iNav pilot
[1371.58] Frank: Do you have the quads at hand?
[1372.58] Frank: Because I feel like it might just explode Steven's head
[1378.58] ChrisG: No, it's in the car, unfortunately
[1380.58] ChrisG: I can run and get it if you would really want me to
[1382.58] Jack: Yeah, we will fluff
[1385.58] Jack: Call me and Frank will fluff
[1387.58] Jack: Go, Chris, go
[1388.58] Jack: Okay, talk amongst yourselves
[1391.58] Stephen: So, recently, I decided to buy more things
[1396.58] Stephen: No
[1397.58] Frank: You?
[1398.58] Stephen: No, surely not, you say
[1399.58] Stephen: And I put in a massive order with CNC Madness
[1403.58] Stephen: I've glued it, it's been sat there because I'm forced to admit that I don't really like the idea of getting wings
[1409.58] Stephen: And I was basically just buying it to shut you up, Jack, so it stayed in the wall
[1415.58] Stephen: But, yeah, I've got a whole bunch of stuff from CNC Madness here
[1418.58] Stephen: So I've got some camera plates and things to repair
[1421.58] Stephen: The ones I banged up in Croatia
[1423.58] Stephen: I've got some spare arms
[1425.58] Stephen: I've also got this Quad-66's little frame
[1429.58] Stephen: Here's 122mm frame
[1431.58] Stephen: I've got AOS-4, the 4-inch frame that no one seems to want to sell
[1436.58] Stephen: And, yeah, all sorts of spare bits
[1439.58] Stephen: So, building a 4-inch
[1441.58] Stephen: Oh, and I've got another 3.5-inch frame here as well
[1443.58] Stephen: I went a little wild
[1445.58] Stephen: A little wild, just kind of sat in the Croatian sun
[1448.58] Stephen: And just put in a massive order with CNC Madness, which has now arrived
[1453.58] Stephen: So I'm going to have to actually build stuff
[1456.58] Stephen: Because I've got so much rubbish on the bed now
[1458.58] Stephen: It's getting silly
[1459.58] Stephen: It's like a 3.5-inch build that's just sat there
[1462.58] Stephen: I was going to do this with an O3
[1464.58] Stephen: But it's just got to the point now where I've
[1469.42] Stephen: All the stuff that I thought about buying I've bought
[1472.42] Stephen: And it's all arrived at once
[1473.42] Stephen: And now I've just got this huge pile of rubbish on the bench
[1476.42] Frank: Now you've got to build it
[1478.42] Frank: Yeah
[1479.42] Frank: Yeah, I know that feeling
[1481.42] Stephen: And I'm like, this would be manageable if I had one thing at a time
[1484.42] Stephen: But I've now given myself six things all at once
[1487.42] Frank: Yeah
[1488.42] Frank: I usually get that situation, I don't know about you
[1491.42] Frank: I then end up putting some stuff away
[1493.42] Frank: So that I don't think about too much at once and focus on one thing
[1497.42] Frank: And then I forget about those things that I put away
[1499.42] Frank: And then order some other things
[1501.42] Frank: And then I never go back to that again
[1503.42] Stephen: That's precisely why they're staying on the bench until I've fixed the problem
[1507.42] Frank: Yeah
[1508.42] Frank: Yeah
[1509.42] Frank: I might possibly have a bit of a bad habit of starting projects
[1515.42] Frank: That don't really need to be started
[1517.42] Frank: Oh, oh
[1518.42] Stephen: Tell us about your little friend
[1520.42] Frank: Yeah
[1521.42] Frank: I may have adopted a
[1524.42] Frank: It's an A
[1526.42] Frank: I can't remember how big
[1528.42] Frank: 42-inch plotter, I think it is
[1530.42] Stephen: Yeah, for our audio listeners
[1532.42] Stephen: Frank is hiding behind him currently in a camera shot
[1536.42] Stephen: A giant piece of technology about as wide as his shoulders
[1539.42] Stephen: But probably three metres behind him
[1542.42] Frank: Yeah, it's a 42-inch wide printer
[1548.42] Frank: A colour printer that can print as long as you want
[1551.42] Frank: And it's just got a big reel of paper that will print in there
[1554.42] Frank: And it was being thrown out of an office near to where I work
[1558.42] Frank: And they were like, I just need it gone
[1561.42] Frank: And I'm like, yeah, all right, I'll take it off your hands
[1563.42] Frank: And they gave me a spare part
[1565.42] Stephen: It's going to seem like a great idea until the first time you try and buy printering
[1569.42] Frank: Well, that's the thing, it came with a load of spare printer ink
[1574.42] Stephen: Well, you just can't say no, can you? You can't say no
[1577.42] Frank: Exactly, like load a reel of paper, load of ink
[1581.42] Frank: So, yeah, I may have taken it all apart and cleaned it
[1584.42] Stephen: Well, we're going to have to send you some designs for the next LDO event
[1587.42] Stephen: Then we expect banners
[1589.42] Frank: Absolutely, yeah, I'm going to do banners
[1591.42] Frank: I'm going to do, you know, things to tow behind quads
[1596.42] Frank: Yes, or behind planes
[1599.42] Stephen: You can just do a miniature version of the sign-carrying plane
[1603.42] Frank: Yes, yep, I can do that
[1606.42] Frank: I'm going to do all these things
[1609.42] Frank: Table covers, everything, all happening
[1613.42] Frank: As soon as I put it back together again
[1615.42] Jack: Looks like Tony's coming out of the closet next time I get this mini-Guinea up and running
[1624.42] Stephen: You do a nice flight along the beach with a message
[1627.42] Stephen: Oh, what's Chris got for us here? It's a little monster
[1630.42] Jack: That's not a block of C4
[1634.42] Stephen: It might as well be
[1635.42] ChrisG: Probably not
[1636.42] ChrisG: I'm now in the confirmed ordinary
[1639.42] Stephen: There's an interesting build here for our audio listeners
[1642.42] Stephen: A very proud and exceedingly vertical VTX antenna tops
[1647.42] Stephen: An airframe that is quite tall
[1650.42] Stephen: With some red-bottomed motors
[1652.42] Stephen: A lot of plastic on the front end
[1655.42] ChrisG: Don't forget the dog pooping
[1657.42] Stephen: Yeah, the dog pooping on the back, proudly representing AndyRC
[1661.42] Stephen: And something that looks like a white, shrink-wrapped house brick on top of it
[1667.42] ChrisG: Yeah, exactly, it doesn't look like C4
[1672.42] Stephen: We should probably write on the side not C4 in big letters in Sharpie
[1676.42] Frank: Not C4, not cocaine
[1679.42] Frank: People are just stabbing it and taking it
[1683.42] ChrisG: If you're wondering, this is the iNav quad in question
[1687.42] ChrisG: This now has the motors mapped the right way round
[1692.42] ChrisG: Which is always helpful
[1694.42] Jack: Did you do that in software or did you de-folder them?
[1697.42] ChrisG: No, no, I did it in software in the end
[1700.42] ChrisG: I just sort of stepped back, thought about it a bit
[1703.42] ChrisG: And then actually understood what Powell
[1706.42] ChrisG: I can never pronounce his last name
[1708.42] ChrisG: He's actually trying to say it
[1710.42] ChrisG: Yeah, yeah
[1712.42] ChrisG: So it's actually quite simple when you understand how to use that motor mixer
[1716.42] ChrisG: I think me and Frank are trying to over-complicate it
[1719.42] Jack: Sounds about right
[1721.42] Jack: Does it fly any less than it did before?
[1725.42] ChrisG: Yeah, yeah, it flies
[1727.42] ChrisG: It does return to home
[1730.42] ChrisG: It does missions, but it doesn't fly where the missions programmed to fly the mission
[1735.42] Stephen: It's creative
[1737.42] ChrisG: Yeah, I haven't quite got to the bottom of it
[1740.42] ChrisG: And also the OST doesn't work
[1743.42] Stephen: What is the monster VTX setup that's unusually mounted there on the front?
[1749.42] ChrisG: So this wasn't on here when we were at Hidden Valley
[1752.42] ChrisG: But this is an HD0 pod
[1756.42] ChrisG: So I've actually already got two FPV cameras in here
[1760.42] ChrisG: Regular run cam in there
[1763.42] ChrisG: Gives them forward, they can't see anything at the moment
[1765.42] ChrisG: And there's a tiny camera facing down
[1769.42] ChrisG: You can see in there
[1771.42] ChrisG: Along with this servo cable
[1773.42] ChrisG: Which is what I was using to hang long-line payloads off of it
[1778.42] Jack: It may or may not have been if you're the CRA
[1784.42] ChrisG: Yeah, well I can hang a payload off it
[1787.42] ChrisG: There's nothing wrong with that as far as I know
[1790.42] Stephen: As long as the payload is securely attached
[1793.42] ChrisG: Yeah, it's securely attached with the servo wire
[1796.42] Stephen: There you are
[1797.42] Stephen: And it will hardly affect the flight characteristics with it
[1800.42] Stephen: So I can't see that being a problem
[1802.42] Jack: So what gyroscopes are for?
[1803.42] Jack: I like the homemade camera mount as well
[1807.42] ChrisG: What was that made out of?
[1809.42] ChrisG: Which I actually took this to RC Hotel
[1812.42] ChrisG: Which I'll tell you a bit more about in a minute
[1814.42] ChrisG: This was actually a pod to put on airplanes
[1817.42] ChrisG: So it just instantly adds some HD0 capability to them
[1821.42] ChrisG: So I could get passenger rides to people
[1823.42] ChrisG: I've run the FPV before
[1825.42] ChrisG: Is it looking directly downward?
[1828.42] ChrisG: So now it's on this quad looking directly downward
[1831.42] ChrisG: Because this is now a search and rescue quad
[1835.42] ChrisG: And I need some high def looking down
[1839.42] ChrisG: So I can find things
[1842.42] Stephen: When you take off, does that make it a bit challenging?
[1845.42] ChrisG: No, it's fine
[1846.42] ChrisG: It doesn't really notice it at all
[1848.42] ChrisG: But I do have the analog VTX still running on here
[1851.42] ChrisG: So that's probably not great
[1853.42] Stephen: Isn't it in front of, the HD0 is in front of the analog VTX
[1856.42] Stephen: Which is looking forward
[1857.42] Stephen: So the only view you have taking off is the ground underneath you
[1860.42] ChrisG: Yeah, well I just take offline
[1862.42] Stephen: Strictly speaking, behind you
[1864.42] Stephen: Oh right, line sighted, okay
[1866.42] ChrisG: Yeah
[1867.42] ChrisG: This iNav anyway, it's got Loiter and everything
[1870.42] ChrisG: So it's quite easy
[1872.42] ChrisG: I was using this quad actually to do a bit of training at the weekend
[1875.42] ChrisG: Down at Oppen, and I feel like I do every now and again
[1878.42] ChrisG: Not with this thing on the front of it
[1880.42] ChrisG: Just added that on there
[1882.42] ChrisG: Because we've been trying to find things in the field with it
[1885.42] ChrisG: How does that work?
[1887.42] ChrisG: Well it would do if the thing wasn't completely impossible to find
[1892.42] ChrisG: The view is pretty good
[1894.42] ChrisG: So I think with a more reasonable thing to try and find it
[1900.42] ChrisG: It would find it pretty well
[1901.42] ChrisG: Probably better than a Mavic would actually
[1903.42] ChrisG: It's a very sharp picture
[1905.42] ChrisG: Awesome
[1907.42] ChrisG: The only reason I'm not using something like a Mavic is
[1909.42] ChrisG: I had access to a Mini 2
[1912.42] ChrisG: You can't do waypoints with that
[1914.42] ChrisG: Or like go to a particular location
[1916.42] ChrisG: Not without jumping through a bunch of hoops anyway
[1919.42] ChrisG: Because this has got high nav, I can just send it to a particular lap long
[1922.42] ChrisG: Where I think the thing's going to be and hover over it
[1925.42] Stephen: So you read out your telemetry data from something else
[1928.42] Stephen: Punch it into that, press go
[1930.42] Stephen: And then you've got a little monitor or something
[1932.42] Stephen: With the HD0, HDMI into it
[1934.42] ChrisG: Yeah, ideally, yeah
[1937.42] ChrisG: At the moment I'm just looking in the goggles
[1939.42] ChrisG: Because all my HDMI cables are broken
[1941.42] ChrisG: But at some point we'll get it on the screen
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[1969.42] Frank: Pause slash, let's drone out
[1971.42] Stephen: Have you gone for the HD0 goggles?
[1975.42] ChrisG: Yeah, I do
[1978.42] ChrisG: I might do, let me see
[1980.42] Jack: It is fascinating, isn't it
[1985.09] Jack: It's like, Stephen's like
[1987.09] Jack: How do you see anything?
[1989.09] Jack: And Chris G's like
[1991.09] Jack: With your eyes
[1993.09] ChrisG: Stephen's like
[1995.09] Jack: There is no spoon
[1997.09] ChrisG: You have to have faith sometimes, Geoff
[1999.09] ChrisG: No, I...
[2001.09] Jack: It only goes clearly
[2002.09] Jack: Yeah, I'm a firm believer
[2004.09] Jack: I'm the Chris G hype man
[2006.09] Jack: I'm singing
[2008.09] Jack: Singing words of
[2010.09] Stephen: So were you racing on those?
[2012.09] Stephen: Was that the wing racing set?
[2014.09] Stephen: Or were you still racing on the old CCDs?
[2017.09] ChrisG: I was racing on these for the first heat
[2021.09] ChrisG: I think Frank probably saw
[2023.09] ChrisG: That was on the other striker
[2025.09] ChrisG: And the picture was really nice
[2028.09] ChrisG: But it crashed
[2030.09] ChrisG: I can't remember the circumstance of the crash now
[2033.09] ChrisG: But basically, the new striker does not fly as well as the old striker
[2037.09] ChrisG: So I need to
[2040.09] ChrisG: I think for the next race
[2042.09] ChrisG: Just have the old striker that I have
[2045.09] ChrisG: But it's so repaired now
[2047.09] ChrisG: I don't want to rely on it
[2049.09] Stephen: Is that like a bell curve between new and destroyed
[2052.09] Stephen: Where you crash it a certain number of times
[2054.09] Stephen: And it becomes more of a known quantity
[2056.09] Stephen: And you crash it too much and it declines?
[2059.09] Frank: Yeah, it doesn't decline very much though
[2062.09] Frank: I don't think Chris lets it get the other side
[2065.09] Frank: I think he's just constantly pushing
[2068.09] Frank: But the striker that he was flying
[2071.09] ChrisG: This thing never dies
[2073.09] Frank: Yeah, it's more glue than foam
[2076.09] Frank: I had initially at one point launching it
[2079.09] Frank: Because more machines than man now
[2082.09] Frank: Because when Chris just throttled up to launch
[2086.09] Frank: Just the entire plane moved around the bit I was holding
[2090.09] Frank: Which made it quite entertaining
[2093.09] Frank: For everyone else watching
[2095.09] Frank: Because I realized I couldn't let go
[2097.09] Frank: Because it was now pointing in the wrong direction
[2099.09] Frank: My solution to this in the heat of the moment
[2102.09] Frank: Was to basically discus launch it
[2105.09] Frank: And people weren't very happy with me
[2108.09] Frank: Just pointing this thing at them
[2110.09] ChrisG: Yes, I did see a few frames in the camera of me
[2112.09] ChrisG: Being at full throttle just with all the crowd's faces in shock
[2118.09] ChrisG: It was like, oh, no, it's fine
[2120.09] Stephen: Spectator shot, let's go
[2126.09] ChrisG: There's the funky camera
[2128.09] ChrisG: The acid trip camera
[2130.09] ChrisG: So you want one of them
[2132.09] ChrisG: It's a Runcam Swift 2
[2135.09] ChrisG: With a dodgy connector on the back
[2137.09] Stephen: And you've mounted it kind of outside the airframe as well
[2140.09] ChrisG: Yeah, there's not an awful lot of option
[2143.09] ChrisG: I mean, I could just put it straight in the nose in the front
[2146.09] ChrisG: But I don't rate its chances in a crash very much
[2149.09] Stephen: The nose looks heavily modified
[2153.09] ChrisG: It's like annular rings of a tree
[2156.09] ChrisG: Really?
[2157.09] ChrisG: It's like foam glue, foam glue
[2160.09] ChrisG: Then tape
[2162.09] ChrisG: It's 107 years old
[2164.09] Stephen: This plane is 17 crashes old
[2167.09] ChrisG: It does have an XT60 on it now, though
[2170.09] Jack: Oh, yeah
[2172.09] Jack: So, Stephen, this is
[2175.09] Jack: When I first met Chris G, I was like, what the hell is wrong with you?
[2179.09] Jack: Because what was it? Was it banana connectors you were using?
[2184.09] ChrisG: I still use them on a fair amount of things
[2187.09] Stephen: You mean like 3mm or is it 4mm plugs, the ones that used for speakers? Is that a 4mm?
[2194.09] ChrisG: Yeah, like the ones you plug in a power supply, but gold-plated
[2199.09] Stephen: Yeah, the ones that are currently just out of shot with my fan running right now
[2204.09] ChrisG: Yeah, that's just what I standardised on back in the day
[2207.09] ChrisG: Because I learnt to, not fly, but I learnt to build from this old guy called Colin
[2213.09] ChrisG: He's probably not around anymore
[2215.09] ChrisG: And he's...
[2217.09] Jack: They thought they had plastic and injection moulding
[2220.09] ChrisG: Yeah, yeah
[2222.09] ChrisG: Way back when everything was in CPO tone
[2225.09] Stephen: I accept they're a good choice for, say, electrical installations like Hi-Fi speakers
[2231.09] Stephen: That don't tend to move very fast
[2234.09] Stephen: That makes sense then, I understand why you might use them
[2237.09] Stephen: Or on a bench to connect a power supply
[2240.09] Stephen: On the other hand, things that move really, really fast and tend to crash a lot
[2244.09] ChrisG: Yeah
[2245.09] Stephen: Challenging, challenging
[2247.09] ChrisG: Yeah, but I never claimed it made sense, it's just what I did
[2254.09] ChrisG: This is what he standardised on, so that's what I ended up standardising on
[2259.09] Stephen: I remember when I first looked at quads, it was like blackout H frames and all the motors on bullet plugs
[2265.09] Stephen: And it just looked like, wow, that's like a whole bunch of wiring
[2269.09] Frank: This isn't the motor connectors
[2271.09] Frank: This is the battery connectors
[2274.09] Frank: So you can just accidentally, if you're not paying complete attention
[2279.09] Stephen: Plarity, schmellarity
[2281.09] Frank: Yeah, you could plug this in the wrong way, you could touch things to other things that shouldn't be
[2288.09] Jack: And the cool of the void
[2290.09] Jack: Yeah
[2291.09] Jack: The cool of the void where you can plug the battery in on itself
[2296.09] Stephen: Jack was looking at Tony's giant batteries
[2299.09] Stephen: And because they're designed, you know, you get like a 4S or a 6S pack
[2302.09] Stephen: And you never run it as that, you run it as like a 12S or a 14S or something
[2307.09] Stephen: They're all designed to be daisy chained in series
[2310.09] Stephen: And so therefore the batteries just come with, you know, a male and a female
[2315.09] Stephen: One positive, one negative
[2317.09] Stephen: And it's like, oh, oh
[2319.09] Stephen: Put them close to each other and something in your mind goes, do it
[2323.09] Stephen: And yeah, you just gotta resist the cool of the void
[2327.09] Jack: It just, it really does say
[2329.09] Jack: But I do praise the day that I ran into Chris G and was like
[2334.09] Jack: Holy ****, hobby king
[2336.09] Jack: He had XD60s on it
[2338.09] Jack: And I was like, are you all right, Chris?
[2340.09] Jack: And he's like, yep, plug something in wrong and I've gone back to it
[2344.09] Jack: So now he's got like even shorter wires on everything
[2348.09] Jack: But yeah, finally, at last
[2350.09] Jack: How many XD60s do you reckon you've cut off in your life?
[2355.09] ChrisG: A lot
[2356.09] ChrisG: Not just XD60s
[2358.09] ChrisG: EZ60s
[2359.09] ChrisG: EZ60s
[2360.09] ChrisG: Everything
[2361.09] ChrisG: Deans, oh, definitely Deans, yeah
[2363.09] ChrisG: Deans
[2364.09] Stephen: Who uses Deans
[2365.09] Stephen: RC, cheap RC cars
[2367.09] ChrisG: Yeah
[2368.09] ChrisG: I saw a parallel charging board the other day
[2370.09] ChrisG: That was all XD60s and then one Deans connector at the bottom
[2374.09] ChrisG: Yeah, I know
[2375.09] Jack: It's
[2376.09] Jack: Terrible idea
[2378.09] Stephen: It's like it wiggles a bit loose and they're both totally exposed
[2382.09] Stephen: Like it's just like, oh yeah, that's where all the current's happening
[2385.09] Stephen: And like, yeah, that's fine
[2388.09] Stephen: Lick it
[2389.09] Stephen: Yeah, Deans Connect is terrifying me
[2393.09] Stephen: It just looks like, yeah, this was a great idea in the 70s
[2397.09] Jack: Hmm
[2399.09] ChrisG: It's good that the hobby is finally standardized on something
[2403.09] ChrisG: And it's actually something good like the XD60
[2407.09] ChrisG: Something that makes sense
[2408.09] ChrisG: Like it's got that vacuum seal to it and everything
[2410.09] Stephen: Yeah, something that's like you only actually have electrical connection
[2414.09] Stephen: At a point when you can't jam something in from the side and hit the terminals
[2419.09] ChrisG: Yeah
[2421.09] ChrisG: Yeah, I use the XD90s on my e-bike as well, which is great
[2425.09] ChrisG: I'm not actually pulling 90Ms
[2427.09] ChrisG: But they're useful, say in the winter
[2430.09] ChrisG: You're wearing gloves and you find it hard to handle things
[2433.09] ChrisG: These big chunky connectors are quite nice
[2436.09] Stephen: Yeah, I had to
[2437.09] Stephen: When I was over in Croatia the other week, I had a solder on some XD90s
[2441.09] Stephen: Luckily, I bought my soldering iron with like super chunky tip
[2445.09] Stephen: And I put some XD90s on some of like mobility scooter batteries
[2451.09] Stephen: That someone had, like lithium-ion phosphate batteries
[2456.09] Stephen: They're useful for like charging packs and things
[2460.5] Stephen: They're field packs
[2462.5] ChrisG: Yeah, nice
[2465.93] ChrisG: Oh, so I was going to tell you guys about RC Hotel, right?
[2468.93] Stephen: Yes
[2469.93] Stephen: Yeah
[2470.93] Stephen: It looks like
[2471.93] Stephen: Your website looks interesting
[2478.18] ChrisG: Yeah
[2479.18] ChrisG: So it's in Corfu and it's basically a hotel
[2483.18] ChrisG: And you go there and there's planes there for you to fly
[2487.18] ChrisG: So you don't have to worry about bringing anything at all with you if you don't want
[2491.18] ChrisG: So personally, I just bought a tiny little case with my warp and my XD0 in it
[2495.18] ChrisG: And that was it
[2496.18] ChrisG: But other than that, I just flew their planes there
[2499.18] ChrisG: So they have a couple of acro watts there as well, which again, I rate
[2504.18] ChrisG: I actually flew one there to begin with
[2506.18] ChrisG: Because this is the second time I've been there
[2508.18] ChrisG: And that's what made me buy my own
[2510.18] ChrisG: But they got a bunch of other things as well
[2512.18] ChrisG: I was flying some helis, flying some pattern ships, a few EDFs as well
[2519.18] ChrisG: I very rarely fly anything that's got retracts and flaps on it
[2523.18] ChrisG: But I did do that a bit there as well
[2526.18] ChrisG: It was always interesting
[2527.18] ChrisG: It's just like a couple of extra things to have to remember on every flight
[2533.18] ChrisG: When you're flying line of sight
[2535.18] ChrisG: You don't necessarily know whether you've got the flaps or the gear down
[2538.18] ChrisG: When you're out on the base leg of the approach
[2543.18] ChrisG: So yeah, it's good
[2546.18] ChrisG: He's got a pull there
[2547.18] ChrisG: Sounds pretty serious
[2549.18] ChrisG: Yeah, he's been going since 2000
[2553.18] ChrisG: The guy who runs it's called Spiros, really nice guy
[2556.18] ChrisG: Always will sort anything out for you
[2559.18] ChrisG: And he has really good food there as well
[2561.18] ChrisG: So yeah, can't really rate it highly enough
[2564.18] ChrisG: So if anyone likes line of sight flying
[2567.18] ChrisG: Or wants to do a bit of FPV as well
[2570.18] ChrisG: Probably not, like if you want a completely FPV holiday
[2573.18] ChrisG: But if you want maybe a bit of a mix or an LOS holiday
[2577.18] ChrisG: Then it's definitely a good place to go
[2579.18] ChrisG: And fairly reasonable prices as well
[2581.18] Stephen: So our comprehensive fleet of models consists of the typical models you'd see at most clubs
[2587.18] Stephen: We try to include planes and helicopters to suit the needs of our guests
[2590.18] Stephen: At whatever standard they wish to fly at
[2592.18] Stephen: However competitive or high standard 3D helicopter flying
[2595.18] Stephen: We suggest you bring your own model, which you're experienced with
[2598.18] Stephen: The fleet consists of electric or internal combustion models
[2601.18] Stephen: Trainer sports, aerobatic gliders, powered and unpowered scale
[2606.18] Stephen: The choice is yours
[2608.18] Stephen: There we are
[2609.18] Stephen: So yeah, sounds like they've got a pretty impressive fleet
[2612.18] Jack: Oh, a little tail dip in the pool
[2616.18] ChrisG: Yeah, it's quite hot out there
[2620.18] ChrisG: Now the funny thing was I went out there
[2623.18] ChrisG: And I don't know if you guys are familiar with Duncan McClure
[2629.18] ChrisG: Have you ever heard that name?
[2632.18] ChrisG: No, he's basically the examiner of the examiners for the southern area in the BMFA
[2640.18] ChrisG: So if you want to do any of your BMFA certificates like your A or your B or whatever
[2645.18] ChrisG: He's the guy who kind of trains the guys who do that
[2648.18] ChrisG: And he regularly goes to RC Hotel
[2651.18] ChrisG: And as I say, I've been there twice now
[2653.18] ChrisG: And he was there both times
[2655.18] ChrisG: Just by chance
[2658.18] ChrisG: And it turns out that I could have done my not
[2661.18] ChrisG: He wrote an E certificate there
[2662.18] ChrisG: Which is the only one I haven't done yet that I want to do
[2665.18] ChrisG: And if I'd bought my quad with me
[2668.18] ChrisG: I could have done it right there and then
[2670.18] ChrisG: And I was going to
[2671.18] ChrisG: And I decided not to at the last minute
[2674.18] ChrisG: So I only had my work with me
[2676.18] ChrisG: And considering one of the maneuvers is a loop outside
[2680.18] ChrisG: I don't think that would have worked
[2683.68] Stephen: You've got to do a loop
[2684.68] Stephen: I should read up what's in that test
[2686.68] Stephen: What line of sight?
[2688.68] ChrisG: Yeah
[2689.68] Stephen: You don't have to line of sight the drone stuff, do you?
[2693.68] ChrisG: If you want to do a multi-rotor B test
[2695.68] ChrisG: Yeah, that's line of sight
[2697.68] ChrisG: There is obviously the FPV test that you can do as well
[2700.68] ChrisG: Like Frank was saying to me the other day
[2702.68] ChrisG: Which I haven't done yet
[2704.68] ChrisG: That I might do at some point
[2708.12] Stephen: But you can loop or work
[2709.12] Stephen: It's just like not going to be a very impressive loop
[2712.12] Stephen: It's going to be more of a kind of tumble
[2715.12] ChrisG: With aggressive recovery
[2717.12] ChrisG: My one's got bad batteries and it's weighed down by HD0 on it
[2720.12] ChrisG: And I'd have to do it outside so probably not
[2725.37] Jack: Yeah, surely you've got to have
[2727.37] Jack: Surely there's a like weight limit you've got to make
[2732.37] ChrisG: There probably is, yeah
[2734.37] ChrisG: With the planes you have to have at least a 1 kilo plane
[2739.37] ChrisG: To do either of the tests
[2742.37] ChrisG: 1k
[2743.37] ChrisG: That's the weight of Tony
[2747.37] ChrisG: I'm not sure what it is for quads
[2750.37] Stephen: I think it's no more than 3.5k for quads
[2755.37] ChrisG: So, Frank, are you coming to the next wing race?
[2762.63] ChrisG: When is the next wing race?
[2763.63] ChrisG: I can't remember
[2765.63] ChrisG: Sometime in August and it's again in Wales
[2768.63] ChrisG: They're just always in Wales apparently
[2771.63] ChrisG: Camarthen Model Club, I believe
[2774.63] ChrisG: It's on IFPV and on the Wing League site
[2779.63] Frank: On the 18th and the 20th of August
[2782.63] Frank: There we go
[2784.63] Frank: I'll try and swing that
[2786.63] Frank: Nice
[2790.58] ChrisG: I think there's another one in September at some point
[2793.58] ChrisG: We were hoping to have a bit of wing racing at the Pop Em show as well
[2798.58] ChrisG: I don't think that's going to work out
[2800.58] ChrisG: What we are definitely going to have now
[2801.58] ChrisG: Because I've been talking to Paul Jaggers
[2806.58] ChrisG: The Whoop guy
[2808.58] ChrisG: He's...
[2810.58] ChrisG: Well, some people, him and some other people
[2813.58] ChrisG: They are keen to put some whooping on at the show
[2817.58] ChrisG: Which I think will be a pretty good idea
[2820.58] ChrisG: Because if it starts raining
[2822.58] ChrisG: Then everyone has to come in the tent and watch the whooping
[2824.58] ChrisG: So we have captive audience
[2827.58] Frank: Yep
[2828.58] Frank: Because you've got the big tents there, right, still?
[2831.58] Frank: Yeah
[2833.58] Frank: I mean, that will be fantastic to fly whoops in
[2837.58] Frank: It's criminal that there hasn't been just an entire weekend of whip racing in those tents already
[2845.58] Stephen: I think it's almost criminal that no one's done a whoop event called Whoop Your Ass
[2850.58] Stephen: It could be a competitive series
[2853.58] ChrisG: Yeah
[2855.58] ChrisG: We'll probably have the model railway guys next to us as well again
[2860.58] Stephen: Okay
[2861.58] Stephen: I imagine they have a hard time carrying their models to the field, don't they?
[2866.58] ChrisG: Yes
[2868.58] ChrisG: Yeah, they backed their car into the tent last time
[2872.58] ChrisG: Which wasn't fun
[2874.58] Stephen: Oh, dear
[2875.58] Stephen: How do you know you've gone round the flags?
[2880.37] ChrisG: Not doing it like that
[2883.37] Stephen: Yeah
[2884.37] Stephen: No, I've got some of Frank's DVR for his YouTube thing
[2889.37] Stephen: I don't know if there's a particular race
[2891.37] Stephen: It looks like all of the races are in there, Frank
[2894.37] Stephen: Yeah, you can
[2896.37] ChrisG: I don't know
[2897.37] Frank: In the description, there's the time stamps of some and my result, I think
[2902.37] Frank: I think I put that in the description
[2904.37] Frank: It seems very out of focus
[2907.37] Frank: Oh, yeah, I mean, this is like the
[2910.37] Frank: That's why it's not in focus
[2912.37] Frank: This was late at night
[2915.37] Frank: But it was not this bright outside of the goggles, I'll tell you that
[2922.37] Frank: It's the LED lights
[2924.37] Frank: Yeah, so the LEDs are on
[2927.37] Frank: I mean, they're amazing
[2928.37] Frank: The first time I took it out of the bag for like
[2933.37] Frank: Probably since we flew it for my birthday the other year
[2940.37] Stephen: Because it's just a genuine pre-OSD quad
[2945.37] Frank: Oh, yeah
[2947.37] Jack: This is Tom Stanton
[2949.37] Frank: Yeah, this is the prototype one that you got me from off the back of a lorry somewhere
[2955.37] Jack: Yeah, I don't gave me one
[2957.37] Jack: But yeah, it was
[2959.37] Jack: I'd already sourced a frame by the time I got it
[2962.37] Jack: So then Frank got it
[2965.37] ChrisG: If you want to see some footage of the race
[2968.37] ChrisG: Have a look at
[2970.37] ChrisG: Try and find Hightaf's video
[2972.37] ChrisG: He did a good video
[2975.37] ChrisG: Of them with the 360 camera in the gate
[2978.37] ChrisG: And the demolition round at the end where everyone's just flying at once
[2983.37] Frank: That was good
[2984.37] ChrisG: Although I
[2985.37] Frank: Is it H-I-G-E?
[2989.37] ChrisG: H-I-G-H
[2991.37] ChrisG: E-A-F
[2992.37] ChrisG: That's it
[2994.37] Jack: I'm guessing Welsh
[2996.37] ChrisG: Yes
[2997.37] ChrisG: Very
[3001.37] Jack: I was in the river Taff
[3004.37] Frank: Yeah, the uh
[3006.37] Frank: The demolition round at the end was very
[3011.37] Frank: Scary
[3013.37] Frank: The RF environment was not comfortable
[3018.37] Frank: I didn't find that comfortable anyway
[3020.37] Frank: So I, after about half a lap I think I just ended up just
[3024.37] Frank: Just going to altitude and circling and just feel like I'll just wait for everyone to be done
[3029.37] Frank: I'm
[3031.37] Frank: I give up
[3034.7] ChrisG: Probably it
[3035.7] ChrisG: But I think it's about six minutes in
[3038.7] ChrisG: You see the 360 camera
[3040.7] ChrisG: Oh wait, no it's only five minutes
[3043.7] ChrisG: No, it's not that one
[3050.7] ChrisG: I will find it
[3051.7] Jack: About six minutes in
[3052.7] Jack: The video's five minutes, Chris
[3058.7] ChrisG: Just do it anyway
[3060.7] ChrisG: Hightaf
[3061.7] Jack: Hang on, I'll share the screen
[3062.7] Jack: You tell me which one
[3065.7] Jack: Just
[3066.7] Frank: So I've got my hands on the left a bit, left a bit, right a bit
[3070.98] Jack: No, no, I'm going to get feedback
[3072.98] Jack: There you go
[3073.98] Jack: This one, and you want six minutes in
[3077.98] ChrisG: Wait
[3079.98] Jack: Is this it, Chris?
[3080.98] Jack: Yes, the 360 camera, yes
[3082.98] Jack: That's the one
[3083.98] Jack: Okay
[3084.98] ChrisG: That's it, yeah
[3085.98] Jack: Got it, we got it
[3086.98] Jack: I mean, that is
[3087.98] Jack: That's me, straight into the gate
[3089.98] Jack: There you go, I'm frank
[3091.98] Jack: How bad was that?
[3092.98] ChrisG: Can you get the sound on as well
[3094.98] ChrisG: Off we go
[3096.98] ChrisG: Go back to six minutes and get the sound on
[3098.98] ChrisG: It sounds really good when they come through the gate
[3100.98] ChrisG: When they hit the gate, you mean
[3102.98] ChrisG: Yeah
[3104.98] Jack: Have you got the audio?
[3105.98] Jack: I don't have audio
[3107.98] Jack: Hang on
[3113.58] Jack: I think, hang on
[3115.58] Jack: Stop
[3116.58] Jack: Present
[3120.98] Jack: What is it? Video
[3123.98] Jack: No
[3126.98] Frank: But I did very much enjoy the livestream
[3130.98] Frank: That was put on by WRL UK, Wing Racing League UK
[3135.98] Frank: That was a very, very fancy setup they had
[3138.98] Frank: This one?
[3139.98] Frank: They had the instant replay button that was very good
[3142.98] Stephen: Yeah, that's the score audio, man, yeah, that works
[3145.98] Jack: Cool
[3158.22] Stephen: One, two
[3160.22] Stephen: That's me
[3162.22] Stephen: Oh, the thunder satisfaction
[3168.55] ChrisG: I just love this
[3180.82] ChrisG: I mean, how good is this for spectators?
[3182.82] ChrisG: This is just brilliant
[3183.82] ChrisG: It's pretty cool
[3184.82] Frank: You can actually see it the other side of the track
[3186.82] Stephen: For all the reviewers, we have a 360-degree camera
[3189.82] Stephen: Just before the gate at the start-finish line
[3192.82] Stephen: And they are screaming round
[3201.46] Jack: I'll post a link in the chat
[3203.46] Jack: That is just so impressive
[3205.46] Jack: They are hearing through, as you can hear
[3210.46] Jack: And Frank slapped
[3215.02] Jack: Was your wing all right from that?
[3218.02] Frank: Oh, yeah, I did that a bunch of times over the weekend
[3222.02] Frank: It's fine, it just bounces off
[3225.02] Stephen: That's how you do the sharp cornering, right, Frank
[3228.02] Stephen: Just a little tap
[3230.02] Stephen: Get the tail out
[3231.02] Jack: Yeah, exactly
[3232.02] Jack: Is this like human-controlled or is this like
[3240.96] Jack: You know, it's like
[3241.96] Jack: It has to be in manual mode
[3243.96] Frank: That's the stipulation of the race
[3245.96] Frank: You're not allowed a stable lens
[3247.96] Frank: The camera
[3249.96] Stephen: The camera, I think
[3251.96] Stephen: Oh, the camera
[3252.96] Stephen: I have no idea
[3253.96] Stephen: How the heck is it tracking them?
[3255.96] Jack: Yeah, it looks like it's like scanning from you
[3258.96] Jack: And it doesn't seem very human
[3261.96] Jack: Bloody hell
[3265.5] Jack: Can you tell which one you want, Chris?
[3267.5] ChrisG: He's the one with the two of the tail hives
[3270.5] ChrisG: The high-pitched one's me
[3276.46] ChrisG: Because I'm the only one running three blade front
[3280.46] Stephen: So you just take your battery, basically
[3286.6] ChrisG: Apparently so
[3289.6] Jack: Also, Frank informs me
[3292.6] Jack: That you had the most impressive turnaround times
[3295.6] Jack: From crashing and repairing
[3298.6] ChrisG: Well, I don't really have a choice
[3300.6] Jack: He's fast on the tape
[3302.6] ChrisG: That other striker was so out of action
[3304.6] ChrisG: I tried gluing the
[3306.6] ChrisG: I didn't bring that one in, but I tried gluing the other striker
[3309.6] ChrisG: Back together that I have, the more modern one
[3312.6] ChrisG: And
[3314.6] ChrisG: Came up to race time
[3316.6] ChrisG: Before the glue was set
[3317.6] ChrisG: So I had to go give it to
[3319.6] ChrisG: One of the club members who was sitting there watching
[3321.6] ChrisG: I was like, hey, can you just, like, hold this together?
[3323.6] ChrisG: Like, the entire plane was just in half
[3326.6] ChrisG: So
[3327.6] ChrisG: I did it together with some five-minute epochs
[3329.6] ChrisG: I was like, hey, can you hold this together?
[3330.6] ChrisG: And then I did the race with the other striker
[3332.6] ChrisG: I came back
[3333.6] ChrisG: Bless him, he's still sitting there holding this thing together
[3335.6] ChrisG: I was like, thank you
[3337.6] ChrisG: It's set now
[3338.6] ChrisG: But the wing was, like, that
[3340.6] Jack: A banana
[3342.6] ChrisG: Yeah, so it's true, but not very well
[3345.6] Jack: Stovsy's comment tickled me
[3347.6] Jack: He was, like, a hot gluing machine
[3351.6] Jack: I'm going to ask you, Jake, for this job
[3353.6] Jack: Are you up to it?
[3355.6] ChrisG: Yeah, Stovsy also did very well on that event
[3357.6] ChrisG: It was a good event
[3358.6] ChrisG: Hopefully the next one will be that good
[3360.6] ChrisG: But the club was very hospitable to us
[3363.6] ChrisG: That was the highlight
[3365.6] ChrisG: Absolutely
[3366.6] ChrisG: Barbecue and nutmeg
[3367.6] ChrisG: Very much
[3368.6] ChrisG: And a clean lute, as well
[3369.6] ChrisG: We had a clean port-a-lute
[3371.6] ChrisG: Believe it
[3372.6] ChrisG: You don't get that at Western Park
[3374.6] ChrisG: Well, it's because I'm there
[3380.6] ChrisG: Making your mark on all 26 of them
[3383.6] Jack: Oh, mate, I can get through 26 in an hour
[3388.6] Jack: In an hour
[3394.6] Jack: Right, unfortunately, that is all we got time for
[3397.6] Jack: Dom, let me know when you're around
[3400.6] Jack: We are going to try and get you on for a show
[3404.6] Jack: Let us know when you're free
[3406.6] Jack: And we will try and book you in
[3409.6] Jack: I don't know what our timescale is
[3412.6] Jack: But, yes, that should be good
[3416.6] Frank: Usually, guys, what for the first day?
[3418.6] Jack: Yeah
[3420.6] Jack: Chris G, it's always a pleasure having you on
[3423.6] Jack: Stay in touch if you can
[3426.6] Jack: Come down again soon
[3429.6] Jack: Thanks for having me
[3430.6] Jack: It's an honour
[3431.6] Jack: Thank you, man
[3433.6] Jack: Like, I'm truly touched
[3435.6] Jack: It's great having you
[3437.6] Jack: You really do feel like the olive branch
[3440.6] Jack: That we wish the BMFA had for us
[3444.6] Jack: Instead of the shitty end of a stick
[3450.6] Jack: Which is understandable
[3452.6] Jack: Seeing as we're the reason that, you know, anything's ever bad
[3456.6] Frank: That happens in the world
[3458.6] Jack: Drone flyers, yes, totally
[3461.6] Jack: Clueless, careless criminal, that's us
[3463.6] Jack: Anyway, on that note
[3465.6] Stephen: Thank you for Frank as well joining us
[3468.6] Stephen: Really great to see you
[3470.6] Stephen: Great to see your new places shaping up
[3473.6] Frank: Yeah, it's vaguely flat shaped now
[3477.6] Frank: That's good
[3479.6] Jack: Frank, can I share the
[3481.6] Jack: Can I share the mental image
[3484.6] Jack: Of you washing up your
[3488.6] Jack: Where's this going?
[3491.6] Jack: Don't mind me just washing up my printer
[3495.6] Frank: Oh, yeah, yeah, I do
[3498.6] Jack: I'll download it and open it
[3502.6] Jack: And yeah, so Frank's been this
[3506.6] Jack: Just as like a little bit of a
[3508.6] Jack: Bit of bonus content
[3510.6] Jack: Frank has been washing up with toothbrush
[3515.6] Jack: His printer
[3517.6] Jack: This is the level of dedication
[3520.6] Jack: Just like to point out
[3522.6] Frank: Some bits out of this printer
[3524.6] Frank: In the kitchen sink with a toothbrush, you know
[3527.6] Jack: Where did Frank go? I know
[3532.62] Jack: It's lovely to have you back on
[3535.62] Jack: Absolutely
[3537.62] Jack: Anyway, thank you to all our wonderful Patreons
[3540.62] Jack: You're the guys that, you know, help
[3543.62] Jack: Keep us going
[3545.62] Jack: Yeah, the show edited
[3548.62] Jack: Gets all the nasty, like, horrible words out
[3552.62] Jack: A general tidying up
[3554.62] Jack: So any of you audio listeners
[3556.62] Jack: Who listen to this regularly on the audio
[3559.62] Jack: If you want to help us out
[3561.62] Jack: By sponsoring us, come join the Patreon
[3563.62] Jack: You get, like, bonus pods
[3565.62] Jack: After our interviews and stuff
[3568.62] Jack: You've been joined by Lord and Master
[3571.62] Jack: And our saviour, Andrew slash Frank
[3575.62] Jack: Bye
[3576.62] Jack: The man with many names
[3578.62] Jack: Shiny video stuff, Bell Rick slash Stephen
[3581.62] Jack: Cheers
[3582.62] Jack: Bye
[3584.62] Jack: I've been your deranged host
[3587.62] Jack: Brighten To Life Live
[3589.62] Jack: And our special guest for tonight
[3591.62] Jack: The lovely, the wonderful
[3594.62] Jack: Can't all the BMFA Socknell's handles brigade
[3597.62] Jack: Be, like, more like, pretty deep
[3600.62] Jack: He stands for gangster
[3604.86] ChrisG: Thanks, Chris
[3605.86] ChrisG: See you next time
[3606.86] ChrisG: Thanks very much
[3607.86] ChrisG: Thank you, goodnight
[3609.86] ChrisG: Telemetry lost