=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 412 ===
Title: LDO 412 - Just The Two Of Us
Recorded: 2023-07-20
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,155
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbc3PCF59-s); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1570817302-letsdroneout-ldo-412-just-the-two-of-us.mp3)
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Jack - https://www.youtube.com/user/brightontillifly
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Koel- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqkF5Al06Bs_TtnqQqADMTg

[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.2] Jack: Art Faulkner!
[17.88] Stephen: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Stephen: On with the show.
[20.68] Stephen: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[56.44] Stephen: This is episode 412, and you are joined this week by everybody's favourite, Curry Kitten.
[63.64] Stephen: Hello!
[65.32] Stephen: And myself, Stephen.
[67.2] Stephen: Jack is not able to be with us this week, but hello Jack, hope you're doing all right
[70.68] Stephen: there.
[71.68] Stephen: Catch you soon.
[72.68] Curry: So, good news is Stephen has apparently been building stuff where you can talk about because
[77.6] Curry: I haven't been doing anything because I've been away.
[79.68] Stephen: Well, I've had a string of builds that I've intended to do, and then I went to Grayshire
[85.16] Stephen: and smashed things.
[86.52] Stephen: So now I've got an even longer string of builds, so with a little whistle wetting.
[92.2] Stephen: So for a while I've wanted to try O3, and finally I created a little O3 quad.
[100.4] Stephen: I got…
[101.68] Curry: In my mind, you already had an O3 on something else.
[104.2] Stephen: Oh, I've had an O3 for a long time.
[106.36] Stephen: It's been sitting on my bench glaring at me, and because it's such a high value item,
[109.96] Stephen: I've kind of been hoarding it, and I didn't know what to do.
[113.52] Stephen: So I built this three and a half inch with these Avan props and nice looking motors that
[121.08] Stephen: are actually incredibly cheap, and you see the O3 is kind of jammed in the middle there.
[125.52] Stephen: It's kind of unusually placed right in the middle on top of the stack, and…
[130.2] Curry: Oh, I can't even see a stack of this unfortunately.
[132.96] Curry: It's black unfortunately.
[133.96] Stephen: Yeah.
[134.96] Stephen: Yeah, and that is in essence the problem, Wayne, that this is so much O3 and so little
[142.76] Stephen: room for the stack.
[143.76] Stephen: But the first time I took it out, it was just like Mr Wobble cupped up, and the O3 was touching
[149.92] Stephen: the stack.
[151.12] Stephen: And so installing the O3 is not like installing other video systems, because for reasons best
[156.36] Stephen: known to DGI and they're, I think it's fair to say, contempt for their customer base.
[161.32] Stephen: Instead of using M2 screws, they decided to use M1.6.
[165.04] Stephen: Why?
[167.08] Stephen: You might ask, this is a high value piece of equipment.
[169.16] Stephen: You probably want it secured with a nice stout screw, at least an M2.
[172.68] Stephen: Probably an M3, given these are £200 a pop here in the UK.
[176.52] Stephen: But no, what we've got is M1.6.
[178.76] Stephen: So it took quite a while to order the necessary screws to actually do it this way, because
[185.52] Stephen: I'm running M1.6 from the bottom of the frame through the flight controller, which is an
[190.64] Stephen: all-in-one, through a lot of rubber into the O3.
[195.48] Stephen: And there wasn't enough screw, and it was clamped down tight onto the flight controller,
[200.6] Stephen: which meant that the flight controller wasn't isolated, and it just got too much noise
[205.32] Stephen: and did the whoo.
[207.8] Stephen: And normally when you get a little whoo, it's pretty obvious, you've over-tuned it usually,
[213.08] Stephen: or something is wobbling that shouldn't be wobbling, but it all looked firmly braced
[216.28] Stephen: in place.
[217.28] Stephen: And only on closer inspection did I notice that after putting the top plate on, I ended
[220.72] Stephen: up crunching the O3 down onto the flight controller, and it was not happy about that.
[226.52] Stephen: So eventually I ordered some even longer screws, which being M1.6 were absolute pain
[233.44] Stephen: to find and took ages to arrive.
[235.84] Stephen: And finally got it so it's flying sort of okay, but oh my word, the trials and tribulations
[241.48] Stephen: are building your own.
[242.48] Stephen: I see why people go blind in flies, I really do.
[244.96] Stephen: I wanted quite exactly the way I like it, but I paid for it this time, I really did.
[251.92] Stephen: Have you considered going like bigger frames so you could put the O3 behind the stack?
[258.56] Stephen: That was my first inclination, I was going to put it on a five inch, and then I realized
[263.08] Stephen: I fly my five inch probably, I mean, I flew a lot of packs in Croatia, but the number
[269.2] Stephen: of separate times I go flying with a five inch each year are kind of in single digits.
[276.88] Stephen: I could fly this near my house, sub 250 with a small enough battery, whereas I can't fly
[284.44] Stephen: the five inch near my house.
[285.84] Stephen: So the five inch...
[286.84] Stephen: This is the problem of living in London town.
[288.72] Stephen: I don't go out, yeah, pretty much.
[292.44] Stephen: Flying the five inch is nice, you know, you get that, you can throw it over things, you
[296.24] Stephen: can go pretty fast and they're easier to tune and software like Betaflight, which I participate
[302.08] Stephen: pretty actively in, is set up with a five inch in mind.
[306.32] Stephen: When you build something like this, you have to work hard because you don't get that performance
[310.8] Stephen: as table stakes like you can build a bad five inch, put Betaflight on it and it's going
[315.88] Stephen: to fly okay.
[317.28] Stephen: You build a three and a half inch pretty well, and it might fly like trash out of the box
[322.04] Stephen: and you really need to work like the pits are up 1.5 and 1.6 on those sliders, that's
[327.96] Stephen: abnormally high pits because it's a little bit of a chunker and it doesn't have enough
[332.12] Stephen: power.
[333.12] Stephen: But yeah, when I was away in Croatia, I replaced my VTXs actually, untangle this.
[342.04] Stephen: So I've got my five and a half inch AOS frame.
[344.72] Stephen: I didn't trash this one, but I did manage to do something funky to the gyro and stop
[349.24] Stephen: behaving, but I swapped the cameras from DJI to WalkSnail while I was in Croatia.
[355.24] Stephen: So I've got the WalkSnail Pro camera and I absolutely love flying these, they're absolutely
[360.48] Stephen: beautiful image quality and I was flying around in the bright sunlight and then diving into
[365.52] Stephen: a concrete bando and it was just wonderful.
[368.68] Stephen: You get such good low light performance that you don't get that blackout and then surprise,
[373.96] Stephen: it was handy.
[374.96] Curry: The Pro camera does seem so far better, like miles better than the regular camera.
[381.84] Curry: As soon as you put that in low light, you can see it sort of go grainy, but that Pro
[387.12] Curry: camera is just like, it's like using a DSLR in comparison almost, very nice.
[393.68] Stephen: To my mind, there's two brackets of kind of things worth buying, either the really cheap
[398.24] Stephen: light stuff with that tiny board camera that's like a decased 14 mil camera or the Pro camera
[406.56] Stephen: and the regular cameras in the middle, like you're not getting a light camera, but you're
[410.16] Stephen: not getting a great image either, so no.
[413.92] Curry: Yeah, outside in the sunlight, there's less to choose between them, isn't there?
[421.75] Curry: If you've got a nice sunny day, then you'll get a nice experience.
[424.91] Curry: But if you're not, which, you know, we're in England, so we always get nice sunny days
[428.83] Curry: clearly.
[429.83] Curry: Yeah, that's when you'll see the difference between them.
[432.75] Stephen: Right.
[433.75] Stephen: I always feel slightly cheated when you see those reviews and they come out and it's from,
[438.03] Stephen: you know, like California or somewhere sunny in Asia and it's a beautiful day and they're
[445.27] Stephen: cruising next to a lake and there's not a cloud in the sky and there's birds and bright
[450.23] Stephen: green trees and like, yeah, it's not hard to make that look good.
[454.15] Stephen: Like you can take any camera and point it at that, it's going to look pretty good.
[459.11] Stephen: And then, you know, flying around in the UK, I put up a video trying to fly under some
[462.91] Stephen: trees and the ground just turned into this big muddy kind of impressionist painting.
[468.35] Stephen: I couldn't see what the heck was going on.
[471.82] Stephen: Nice.
[472.82] Curry: What have you been up to?
[476.42] Curry: Nothing at all.
[477.42] Curry: I've been in Japan having a holiday, so I've not done anything related to FPV in over two
[484.78] Curry: weeks.
[485.78] Curry: Gadgets, comics, video games, cool little robots.
[490.74] Curry: I, it's literally been my day.
[492.54] Curry: I have gone to capsule places, gone to crane grabbing things, bought lots of video games,
[500.7] Curry: bought anime figures, eaten some really weird and gone around the country with my best broken
[509.42] Curry: Japanese possible.
[511.42] Curry: That's about it.
[512.7] Curry: What cool food did you find?
[516.28] Curry: I just find the Japanese diet is so sort of alien to anybody that's used to what we're
[523.72] Curry: eating.
[524.72] Curry: So even when we thought we knew what we would get in, like if you've ever been to a Japanese
[529.72] Curry: restaurant, yakitori sticks is something that comes out, which is basically chicken on the
[533.72] Curry: stick, really nice chicken, often in a sort of barbecue soy sauce goes down very nicely.
[540.24] Curry: First night in Tokyo after going around to many places and them saying, do you have a
[544.92] Curry: reservation?
[545.92] Curry: And I was like, no, there's like a thousand restaurants.
[548.44] Curry: How do we all need a reservation to all of them?
[551.12] Curry: And then when we found the restaurant, we couldn't find it because it's either on the
[555.92] Curry: sick floor or on the basement level.
[557.92] Curry: Yeah, I found that one.
[559.92] Curry: Yeah, the one we eventually hunted down was down the subway and off to the side and it's
[564.88] Curry: this really busy restaurant and it was yakitori and we thought, brilliant.
[568.52] Curry: And then it's like, oh, this is not yakitori I think about because they don't seem to like
[574.92] Curry: lean chicken.
[575.84] Curry: It's either like weird bits or it's chicken skin.
[580.96] Curry: That was that was like a whole thing.
[582.36] Curry: It's like, OK, let's try this choo, choo, choo, choo, choo.
[585.52] Curry: It's not going down and that sort of thing.
[588.72] Curry: Or like the lean things were covered in wasabi, which really upset my wife.
[593.88] Curry: Or it's like chicken, chicken gristle, chicken neck, chicken, weird things.
[601.68] Curry: And it's like if you have beef, they often have the the beef ligament or beef tender.
[608.2] Curry: Right.
[608.68] Curry: So what's wrong with that?
[610.32] Stephen: That's what you give to your dog, isn't it?
[611.64] Stephen: That's what my dog has.
[612.6] Curry: That's what I call the off cut.
[615.44] Curry: So so, yeah, it was all a bit weird.
[618.4] Stephen: But I noticed in China, they're very fond of like mochi, which is kind of like gelatinous,
[624.44] Stephen: but not sweet gelatinous, like fatty bits of or exceptionally gelatinous
[630.84] Stephen: kind of liquid filled savory things that I think to a Western palette,
[636.88] Stephen: feel a little bit kind of like a nasty surprise sometimes.
[641.24] Stephen: You expect it to be biteable and it bounces instead of bites.
[645.32] Curry: When you get a bit that looks like a lean bit of beef and you then you bite it,
[649.04] Curry: it's like, oh, this this tastes funny because it's so so fatty.
[652.76] Curry: They love their fatty bits.
[654.72] Curry: I saw literally the beef and you can see the beef and it was surrounded
[660.04] Curry: by this whole fat line all the way through.
[662.32] Curry: And it's like, yeah, it's just very different, very different standards,
[668.28] Curry: as we would call it, a bit ooky in many cases.
[671.04] Stephen: But, you know, they survived.
[672.68] Stephen: I remember when I spent some time out in Hong Kong working at a bank there
[678.0] Stephen: and one of the guys like completely going crazy on chicken feet over lunch.
[682.96] Stephen: And they were just I thought they'd be scrawny, but they kind of like cook them.
[686.76] Stephen: So they absorb loads of liquid.
[688.72] Stephen: And they were really plump and just that had that kind of bouncy texture.
[692.96] Stephen: I think I tried a tiny bit.
[694.08] Stephen: I was like, no, no, no, no.
[695.96] Stephen: He was just shoveling these things where it fell asleep,
[698.48] Stephen: completely fell asleep after lunch.
[700.16] Stephen: Like he was out for the count stuff full of chicken feet.
[703.44] Curry: That is it. Every time I speak to somebody in Japan
[707.96] Curry: has really good English and they say how you find the food.
[710.64] Curry: And we say it's quite challenging.
[712.24] Curry: And I describe all the things I found challenging.
[714.36] Curry: They're always like, those are my favorites.
[716.44] Curry: This is the yummy things just like many years to cook.
[720.4] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
[722.92] Stephen: I found it much easier going to India and Sri Lanka,
[726.56] Stephen: although I did notice like when I was traveling with Americans,
[729.32] Stephen: I was quite happy to have like fish for breakfast.
[731.68] Stephen: And I thought that was that just kind of made sense to me,
[734.28] Stephen: like as a nice breakfast, you know, I'd have a bit of fish and coconut milk
[737.36] Stephen: or something like that.
[738.72] Stephen: And but Americans found that really difficult.
[741.36] Stephen: Like fish for breakfast was just a no no for them.
[744.52] Stephen: I guess in the UK, we're used to maybe kippers or a bit of kachri
[748.8] Stephen: or something like that. That's not too unusual.
[752.48] Curry: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't really fish much.
[756.28] Curry: I don't mind the odd bit of sashimi.
[758.0] Curry: I found the problems there were, you know, when you go to a restaurant,
[761.64] Curry: you can have a little bit of this and a little bit of that over there.
[764.76] Curry: It's like this, like this restaurant just sells yakitori.
[768.44] Curry: This restaurant just does sushi.
[770.6] Curry: So like you've walked through it or you've committed.
[772.96] Curry: That's it. Yeah.
[774.64] Curry: So if you like, I'll have some sushi, please.
[776.44] Curry: Here's a plate full of this much tuna and all sorts of weird crap
[780.44] Curry: you've never thought of before or someone else.
[782.68] Curry: So, yeah, what I don't like is as weird as it sounds,
[786.08] Curry: a very fishy tasting fish.
[787.92] Curry: So like things like tuna and salmon are quite, quite mild.
[792.68] Curry: You put them in a bit of soy sauce, it goes down very nicely.
[795.0] Curry: Mackerel. And then you have mackerel, which we also
[797.96] Curry: and the traditional Japanese meal is like, let's have a go at this.
[801.04] Curry: Oh, God, that's so strong.
[802.96] Curry: And then my wife's going in this, what's this, some sort of vegetables?
[807.28] Curry: And it's like, no, they've got eyes.
[809.32] Curry: They're looking back at us.
[810.24] Curry: It was all these little white fish just looking after them.
[814.16] Stephen: It's like that's not for us.
[815.6] Stephen: So you can't go into a fish restaurant and the rest of the family has fish.
[818.8] Stephen: And you're like, yeah, I'll just get some chicken.
[820.4] Stephen: That's that's off the menu effectively.
[822.6] Curry: Yeah, I don't know how vegetarians would cope
[826.92] Curry: because I'm sure if if you're Japanese is very good
[831.84] Curry: and then you can probably find somewhere through it.
[834.48] Curry: But if not, you know, even if something looks like as a vegetable dish,
[838.0] Curry: there's some fish in it somewhere.
[839.72] Curry: It's tasting fishy.
[840.92] Stephen: How did you find the language?
[842.32] Stephen: Would you rely on Google Translate or do you start to get to grips with it?
[846.92] Curry: I spent the last months.
[850.4] Curry: I learned hiragana and katakana, which are the two bainitic alphabets.
[855.24] Curry: I thought that might be useful.
[856.88] Curry: And then literally we got there and all the signs are in kanji, which I hadn't done.
[860.76] Curry: So I knew very basics.
[864.6] Curry: You know, the sort of hello that the most complicated thing I did
[868.24] Curry: is in Japanese, ask for no mustard or mayonnaise in a burger,
[876.48] Curry: which somehow they understood, which I was quite impressed with.
[880.12] Curry: And I also found that like, although everybody in the world
[883.24] Curry: there's like arrogance for thank you, which is chorus everywhere.
[888.04] Curry: If I just said something like segui or dasukidez about like talking about
[894.32] Curry: their food, which means like awesome or I liked it and wet themselves.
[898.76] Curry: Oh, wow. Like so pleased that I've said something to them and they understand
[903.92] Stephen: it like two words in their language.
[905.76] Stephen: You go outside that they're like, he's got it.
[909.04] Stephen: Yes, that's it.
[910.76] Curry: Yes. So that was fun.
[912.44] Curry: Well, what's interesting, I guess, about Japan and in terms of FPV,
[916.96] Curry: because we think it's a subject and I didn't find anything obvious in hobby shops
[922.72] Curry: there when I went to Akihabara, which is like the big electronics district in Tokyo.
[927.08] Curry: There was like big electronic shops that they had like drones there.
[930.08] Curry: So DJI stuff.
[931.64] Curry: But I think a lot of people don't realize is outside of the big big cities
[937.0] Curry: like Tokyo and Osaka, which we went to in Kyoto, it is
[942.44] Curry: a lot of countryside is very mountainous.
[945.68] Curry: It takes like less than an hour and you're in the middle of the country.
[949.08] Curry: And because there's so much of it is countryside and mountains,
[953.6] Curry: it seems very easy if you wanted to fly there.
[956.44] Curry: And where the communities in the real rural places have declined,
[962.12] Curry: basically, because people aren't getting married and having families.
[965.52] Curry: There are a lot of abandoned buildings to to mess about with.
[969.6] Curry: If you're that way, you see anyone flying there.
[972.04] Curry: No, nobody at all.
[974.04] Curry: I thought I might run across somebody there, but yeah,
[977.8] Stephen: because a nation that's so, you know, famous for its love of technology,
[982.28] Stephen: you kind of expect there to be people.
[984.44] Stephen: And I remember seeing when looking for videos of the most unusual of
[989.08] Stephen: model RC contraptions, you know, ornithopters.
[992.76] Stephen: There was always some Japanese guy who's like 65
[996.16] Stephen: and he's made hundreds of ornithopters and things like this.
[999.32] Stephen: I kind of expect that to be a part of the culture more, I guess.
[1003.84] Curry: I'm sure it's out of somewhere, but I feel the problem in the culture
[1007.16] Curry: is it's very conformist.
[1008.76] Curry: Nobody wants to sort of stand, stand out and be different
[1013.08] Curry: to the point that like, you know, famously, everybody
[1018.0] Curry: like the tube station works really a lot like the London Underground does.
[1022.64] Curry: You know, you tap a little IC card and go through and you get on the train.
[1026.36] Curry: It's very easy to navigate,
[1028.2] Curry: except that everybody lines up carefully in queues.
[1032.8] Curry: And it's it's so sort of polite and everything
[1036.44] Curry: that nobody does anything to try and offend anybody.
[1038.72] Curry: And I feel like somebody doing something a bit different like FPV
[1042.4] Curry: would be seen as quite an outsider.
[1044.64] Stephen: Yeah, I'm sure I'm absolutely sure that you'd have to like start whistling
[1047.68] Stephen: or do something quite minor to be seen as a rebel
[1049.92] Stephen: because everyone is that kind of in lockstep with each other socially speaking.
[1054.64] Curry: Yes, literally, you would just, you know,
[1057.56] Curry: uh, talk out loud.
[1060.36] Curry: In like talking on the phone in a train is like outside of behavior.
[1065.56] Curry: But because everybody's so polite, they won't say anything.
[1068.12] Curry: Oh, they're just like money inwardly sort of like this is terrible way.
[1072.44] Stephen: That's like sitting there ripping off farts.
[1078.04] Curry: Yeah, it was.
[1079.72] Curry: Yeah, it would it would be good to take a quad
[1083.0] Curry: and just go find some places and have some fun.
[1086.28] Stephen: But it's quite a long way to go.
[1087.28] Stephen: So on the side, they're definitely known for and you mentioned this,
[1090.72] Stephen: the kind of anime and that kind of geek culture, sci fi,
[1096.36] Stephen: giant Mecca stuff, what was that like?
[1099.76] Curry: Well, they've got they've got districts for it, like in Tokyo,
[1102.88] Curry: you've got all these different sort of shopping districts
[1106.04] Curry: with different things happening.
[1106.92] Curry: It's like Ginza, where we say it is kind of a real high end,
[1110.88] Curry: like, you know, Gucci and all these label stores and things.
[1114.0] Curry: And you've got Shibuya, which you'll probably notice
[1116.28] Curry: from that very famous Shibuya scramble, which is that big crossing
[1119.76] Curry: that everybody always shows.
[1120.68] Curry: It's a great big Starbucks.
[1121.64] Curry: And there's all this Zebra going in diagonals.
[1124.52] Curry: And yeah, the electronics and gaming and anime district in Tokyo
[1128.48] Curry: is called Akiba, Akiba Hara, Akihabara, Akihabara.
[1133.36] Curry: And then I found there's another one in Osaka called Denden Street,
[1137.16] Curry: which is much the same.
[1138.16] Stephen: So there are internet and online selling.
[1142.76] Curry: Yeah, there are there are incredible amounts of the same sort of stores.
[1149.2] Curry: So we went in.
[1151.24] Curry: My wife loved this.
[1152.08] Curry: We had a whole day there.
[1152.88] Curry: And I was like, she says, which stores are we getting us?
[1155.36] Curry: All of them.
[1156.76] Curry: And so there's literally stores and stores just showing selling
[1161.52] Curry: anime figures and going next to a suitcase with you.
[1165.96] Curry: I did bring quite a few bits back.
[1167.92] Curry: Yeah, but she bought like a Gucci handbag, so she she won in value.
[1172.12] Stephen: And she gets one handbag and you get a sorted hundreds of toys and things
[1176.96] Stephen: as many as you can cram it.
[1178.48] Curry: I mean, we got a lot of actual things because it was quite fun
[1181.72] Curry: to play little crane things and try and win stuff.
[1184.04] Curry: But I only bought three, three small consoles and like
[1188.96] Curry: three games and one anime figure, but it wasn't too bad.
[1192.76] Curry: Restrained, very restrained.
[1194.48] Curry: I thought so. And at nighttime in these places, the maids come out.
[1198.68] Curry: You must have heard of the maid cafes.
[1201.4] Stephen: Well, I saw it in Hong Kong, but there I think it's a really like
[1205.36] Stephen: kind of almost unpleasant divide between the rich and the poor
[1208.92] Stephen: because the maids are like brought in from other parts of Asia
[1212.32] Stephen: and they're never like Hong Kong residents.
[1214.36] Stephen: So it's like almost indentured labor and they can't afford to eat anywhere.
[1219.76] Stephen: So they like sit in green spaces, spaces and kind of embroider things
[1224.28] Stephen: and make patchwork and it's it's kind of these ones literally dress up as maids.
[1229.48] Curry: And we went we walked along at nighttime.
[1232.44] Curry: And I think I literally I filmed it, you know, very, very, very subtly
[1237.24] Curry: just walking along going like this as like over 100 girls
[1242.08] Curry: stood along the side of the road or dress as as as maids of some description.
[1247.0] Curry: So dressed as maids, they weren't actual maids.
[1249.32] Curry: This was very much.
[1250.48] Curry: No, it's very much a I find it.
[1253.48] Curry: I found it a little bit creepy.
[1255.88] Curry: One of those. All the efforts they said to say this isn't sexual.
[1258.96] Curry: I was like, yeah, right.
[1261.08] Curry: There's something like 40, 50 year olds tumping men.
[1264.6] Curry: And so come into our cafe will serve you. Yeah. Yeah.
[1268.68] Stephen: Yeah. I've I've I've blocked people online for much less.
[1274.32] Stephen: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[1277.6] Stephen: I'm interested in this. And no, no, it's not sexual.
[1280.28] Stephen: This character is, you know,
[1282.24] Stephen: in terms of the narrative is 3000 years old
[1285.88] Stephen: and just happens to look like a small schoolgirl.
[1288.4] Curry: No, that's there were there were shops
[1291.36] Curry: just selling wire from from again, from a geeky electronics point of view.
[1296.04] Curry: It's like, what gay do I would you like?
[1297.88] Curry: What color would you like it in?
[1299.24] Curry: This man's got reels everywhere.
[1300.64] Curry: He'll get you wire.
[1301.84] Curry: There were at least four wire shops.
[1304.28] Curry: It was very good.
[1305.12] Stephen: We like the wire shops as well.
[1307.12] Stephen: So basically, small businesses in in Japan do absolutely great.
[1311.96] Stephen: And it sounds like they just managed to survive
[1314.72] Stephen: and haven't been plowed under by Amazon and eBay and people like that.
[1319.52] Curry: It must be there are, you know, they're obviously
[1323.92] Curry: it's quite touristy as well.
[1325.24] Curry: So when you go into like the retro game stores, it's like, oh, God,
[1328.68] Curry: it's like there's 20 copies of me here. That's no fun.
[1332.96] Curry: But they're also like lots of Japanese people.
[1335.28] Curry: And bizarrely, despite them being very high tech,
[1339.8] Curry: definitely the most popular thing there is Pachinko.
[1342.68] Curry: We went through so many Pachinko parlors and every single one is full.
[1346.8] Curry: They've got cues outside.
[1348.08] Curry: And Pachinko, for those don't know, is literally a game
[1352.6] Curry: somewhere in between pinball and watching just balls fall down randomly.
[1357.16] Curry: Apparently, there is some skill to it if if you get them right.
[1361.0] Curry: And it's this really weird thing.
[1362.4] Curry: So Pachinko is like a gambling game.
[1364.76] Curry: You have to win things.
[1366.2] Curry: If you get more balls coming out than going in, you've won.
[1369.56] Curry: But it's illegal to gamble.
[1371.64] Curry: So what happens is you take you take your balls and you exchange them for a ticket
[1376.52] Curry: and then you go around the corner where there's another store
[1379.16] Curry: where the ticket will exchange for money.
[1381.12] Stephen: And that's to do something that looks like gambling.
[1384.48] Stephen: But you can persuade the lawman is absolutely
[1388.0] Stephen: entirely unrelated to the act of gambling.
[1391.36] Stephen: Apparently.
[1394.28] Stephen: Wonderful, wonderful.
[1395.4] Stephen: It's like the national lottery being such a beautiful,
[1397.76] Stephen: you know, uplifting experience for everyone involved.
[1401.44] Stephen: Totally not gambling.
[1402.56] Stephen: Definitely not gambling, not at all.
[1407.08] Stephen: Wonderful. Oh, I was going to say back to the topic of drones.
[1410.36] Stephen: I've been buying a load of frames.
[1413.8] Stephen: I when I was in Croatia and crashing things, I knew I needed to order spares.
[1417.56] Stephen: So I went to CNC Madness and I ordered this funny little thing
[1421.76] Stephen: that is from Quad 66, who's been making these unusual toothpick frames.
[1428.28] Stephen: And I decided that I make use of it.
[1432.12] Stephen: I started to install a new Sky Stars board on there with these
[1437.32] Stephen: Sunny Sky 1106 that are quite beefy.
[1440.44] Stephen: And I think it's like a four mil thick toothpick frame.
[1442.88] Stephen: So it's going to be kind of a fast little ripper.
[1445.92] Stephen: I'm going to put one of the one S boards on there from Walk Snail.
[1451.08] Stephen: See how that goes.
[1452.0] Stephen: And I've got a whole bunch of other things there as well,
[1455.72] Stephen: including a four inch frame that I'm going to try building out.
[1459.36] Stephen: I'm quite committed to Walk Snail at this point is the short story.
[1463.68] Stephen: Yeah, they seem to do just as well as DJI, if not slightly better.
[1467.48] Stephen: So I'm impressed.
[1470.56] Stephen: They're definitely not perfect.
[1471.76] Stephen: And the OSD does flicker sometimes, which I don't really have this 25 megabit
[1477.0] Stephen: and not 50, but I don't know why I did notice the flicker.
[1479.96] Curry: I was just assuming that it like occasionally misses
[1485.4] Curry: like one of the one of the OSD packets or something.
[1488.56] Curry: So instead of just like, we'll just hold that information there.
[1491.68] Curry: It just goes away.
[1493.08] Curry: Yeah. And then comes back again.
[1494.68] Stephen: I think you're right.
[1497.12] Stephen: And it happens with quite alarming regularity, but the picture is good.
[1502.36] Stephen: I seem to get better fine detail than I did with DJI, which is nice.
[1506.68] Stephen: And those one S boards are so incredibly light.
[1509.96] Stephen: I've been flying this one again and again.
[1513.2] Stephen: And just because it's a two and a half inch and it's got an HD digital system.
[1518.52] Stephen: And that's just perfect for flying.
[1522.04] Stephen: And, you know, it's open props.
[1523.72] Stephen: I'm not stuck with a whoop thing weighs kind of, I think like just under
[1529.12] Stephen: 80 grams, which is the three S 450 on there flies an absolute dream.
[1534.72] Stephen: It's it's a lovely little thing.
[1537.04] Stephen: So, yeah, they really won me over just having a decent one S solution.
[1541.08] Stephen: And without the sparkles that I was getting on HD zero, you know, just
[1545.76] Stephen: I might not be getting the most rock solid latency.
[1548.6] Stephen: But the image is crystal clear.
[1552.3] Curry: Yes, I've still got to do my the wing.
[1556.1] Curry: The wing move to my other walks now.
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[1588.51] Stephen: Speaking of walks now, I took this guy, the three and a half inch props
[1592.67] Stephen: and I did my BMFA FPV racing a cert.
[1598.31] Curry: So I was I was watching the chatter.
[1601.23] Curry: I was out of the country.
[1602.23] Curry: And my question is. Why?
[1606.43] Curry: What? Obviously, you did it for a reason that it gets you something that you
[1610.63] Stephen: you wanted. Well, I kind of been hating on the BMFA
[1616.83] Stephen: because I didn't really understand what they were doing.
[1619.39] Stephen: And I thought instead of just being.
[1622.59] Stephen: A dick about it, I should probably actually try it out.
[1627.47] Stephen: And, you know, see what it's all about.
[1629.27] Stephen: And reached out to someone and they were enormously helpful and really nice.
[1633.55] Stephen: And in fact, you suggested that I buy the right membership.
[1636.95] Stephen: And I went and bought the wrong one and paid for an extra six months
[1641.11] Stephen: when I didn't need to, which made me feel like a complete dimwit.
[1644.67] Stephen: But yeah, that just very nice.
[1647.95] Stephen: And so I thought I should, you know, put my money where my mouth is
[1653.67] Stephen: and well, get the membership and do the certificate.
[1657.23] Stephen: So I. Turned up at a model helicopter club
[1662.19] Stephen: who seems to have slightly diminished members these days and.
[1667.75] Stephen: And did the test, which is mainly theory,
[1671.71] Stephen: not as much flying as I was.
[1673.11] Stephen: I was worried about the flying part,
[1674.95] Stephen: but actually most of it is memorizing the safety procedures,
[1677.79] Stephen: which are all publicly available.
[1679.87] Stephen: I was able to search and Google and find a PDF with all the details.
[1683.51] Stephen: And so I just committed these to memory.
[1686.15] Stephen: Which is, you know, like a couple of paragraphs from the BMFA handbook
[1691.35] Stephen: and some other notes, like a sweet.
[1695.87] Stephen: Mnemonic that they have, like it's sun, wind,
[1700.75] Stephen: emergencies, environment, transmitter or something like that.
[1705.39] Stephen: And you just got to kind of reel off these things
[1707.95] Stephen: and you find out a bit about the model flying club you're flying at.
[1711.07] Stephen: You memorize the heights that you can fly to in the area
[1714.31] Stephen: and you reel off those details and then get into the actual flying.
[1717.47] Stephen: So I think now I should preface that by saying
[1721.31] Stephen: I find it very easy to memorize things because my job is largely memorizing
[1725.07] Stephen: obscure electronics and programming facts, which which I'm quite good at.
[1729.79] Stephen: But that would probably I think.
[1732.99] Stephen: That's the toughest bit of it.
[1735.99] Stephen: If you can do that, then I think you really don't need to worry
[1739.19] Stephen: a lot about the flying, because if you're
[1741.43] Stephen: if you've been flying quads for more than a couple of years,
[1743.87] Stephen: I think you you probably have it covered.
[1746.67] Stephen: And I've got one of the trial runs that I did.
[1749.83] Stephen: I should hasten to add, not not the final run, because I've been warned
[1753.47] Stephen: that if I were to show that, then the Internet and their mom would
[1757.87] Stephen: would come and start complaining about it and pointing out things they did wrong.
[1761.27] Stephen: So this is a trial run that I did.
[1765.43] Stephen: OK, so that's just this.
[1768.31] Stephen: This is the type of maneuvers what you would have to do.
[1772.23] Stephen: And this is done on walksnail.
[1773.83] Stephen: So that's my DVR going to take off.
[1775.91] Stephen: You've got to go through a gate and when you've gone through a gate,
[1779.67] Stephen: then the examiner will tell you what to do next.
[1781.91] Stephen: After that, it was to fly through a slalom.
[1784.59] Stephen: Slalom gates are five meters apart approximately.
[1788.07] Stephen: You have to fly through them smoothly.
[1789.75] Stephen: La dee da dee da turn around.
[1791.51] Stephen: The turning around bit was optional.
[1793.23] Stephen: But anyway, then after that, you have to fly through a gate and through another.
[1797.67] Stephen: Between each of these, I'm pausing because the examiner is actually telling me
[1800.87] Stephen: what I have to do. So I'm lining up now to fly through the gate and go through.
[1805.23] Stephen: Yeah, this is just the trial run.
[1807.83] Stephen: So through the second gate, there we are.
[1809.39] Stephen: Two gates in a row.
[1810.47] Stephen: This boy is clearly a winner.
[1812.15] Stephen: His natural skill is evident for all to see.
[1815.91] Stephen: And then after this, we have to do through an obstacle over another obstacle
[1820.63] Stephen: and under another.
[1821.67] Stephen: So we do three gates in a row under the first, over the second, under the third.
[1827.03] Stephen: Then we hang around and wait for the examiner to tell us what to do.
[1829.63] Stephen: He wants us to do a little turn and go back through something.
[1832.63] Stephen: So we turn and go back through something.
[1834.43] Stephen: If you're feeling fancy, you can do a split s.
[1836.75] Stephen: I was hoping that I wouldn't bounce off the ground.
[1840.35] Stephen: And so I chose not to do a split s.
[1842.15] Stephen: I just did a little snappy yaw turn
[1844.67] Stephen: and you have to do the turn and amount of space and then land
[1847.07] Stephen: without rolling more than half a meter.
[1849.47] Stephen: That is a crucial part of it.
[1851.03] Stephen: So that is that.
[1852.55] Stephen: That's pretty much it.
[1853.95] Stephen: Apart from parroting a lot of rules and regulations, which you must do correctly.
[1858.15] Stephen: And, you know, don't fly with metal props.
[1862.15] Stephen: That curious BMFA rule of you shall not drop things from your aircraft,
[1867.91] Stephen: which might cause damage to persons or property.
[1871.43] Stephen: I mean, interpret that as you will.
[1873.11] Stephen: But this type of question, you know, you've got to you've got to memorize those
[1876.51] Stephen: because you are going to be given five fixed questions
[1879.43] Stephen: and then a couple of them at the examiner's discretion.
[1882.39] Stephen: They can pick from anything in the BMFA handbook.
[1885.15] Stephen: So, yeah, fairly straightforward.
[1888.83] Stephen: I'd encourage people to give it a go.
[1890.75] Stephen: I a couple of years ago would have thought myself completely incapable of this
[1894.55] Stephen: and I just chanced it and I was fully expecting to fail.
[1896.99] Stephen: But it looks like I'm just waiting for the admin to go through at this point.
[1904.75] Curry: You know, a certificate.
[1905.99] Curry: So so previously the BMFA, when they were talking about quads,
[1910.59] Curry: wanted you to do everything line of sight still.
[1913.71] Curry: So clearly you could buy it as well.
[1918.43] Stephen: That is the clincher.
[1919.47] Stephen: That's why I decided to do it because they finally announced an FPV set.
[1923.55] Stephen: And I thought, well, because I'd been giving them grief about, you know,
[1927.31] Stephen: it's only line of sight.
[1928.23] Stephen: What good is that?
[1928.91] Stephen: I'm never going to want to fly line of sight for more than, you know,
[1932.03] Stephen: maybe I'll do a test hover to make sure everything works.
[1934.35] Stephen: And that's about it, you know.
[1936.75] Curry: So that gets you the ability to fly at any BMFA.
[1942.91] Stephen: I honestly don't know what that gets me.
[1945.63] Stephen: I was mainly doing it just to try and show willing to be perfectly honest
[1949.83] Stephen: and to try it out and to see whether I could get one of these.
[1952.03] Stephen: I don't know the the use.
[1954.19] Stephen: I guess it would certainly allow me to compete at race events.
[1959.31] Stephen: If if they are organized by the BMFA, I don't know what the requirements are.
[1964.55] Stephen: Oh, I should point out that you have to show that fail safe is working as well.
[1968.91] Stephen: There's that saying pretty much every event you go to,
[1970.83] Stephen: you need to prove that fail safe is working.
[1973.19] Stephen: This is true.
[1974.67] Curry: Yeah, interesting.
[1978.11] Curry: So how how much is a BMFA membership these days?
[1984.43] Curry: Because obviously it's the it is BMFA membership,
[1989.03] Curry: but essentially you join a club, don't you?
[1990.79] Curry: Or you have some sort of.
[1992.43] Stephen: I haven't joined the club, no.
[1993.71] Stephen: So normally you do it as part of a club membership,
[1996.07] Stephen: but I haven't crucially not joined a club.
[1998.59] Stephen: I was already a member of FPV UK and I initially said, look,
[2002.59] Stephen: I've I've got insurance because the guy said, oh, you have insurance,
[2005.51] Stephen: of course, because you're a BMFA member.
[2006.87] Stephen: I was like, no, I've got insurance, though.
[2008.87] Stephen: And I said, no, you need to be a BMFA member to be a BMFA.
[2012.19] Stephen: So so I went ahead and did that.
[2014.43] Stephen: But I should have bought the.
[2018.99] Stephen: The British drone something, something
[2023.55] Stephen: which means you just if you buy the British drone membership,
[2029.31] Stephen: it starts from the point when you buy it
[2031.71] Stephen: and it runs 12 months from that point.
[2035.31] Stephen: Whereas the BMFA membership for reasons
[2037.55] Stephen: lost in arcane history is per calendar year.
[2041.27] Stephen: And therefore I bought half a year's membership for the cost of a whole year.
[2045.87] Stephen: It costs 42 quid.
[2048.03] Stephen: So it's not that much.
[2049.07] Stephen: Forty two quid for BMFA membership.
[2051.07] Stephen: That's if you're a senior, which is anyone that isn't a teenager or over, I think.
[2057.57] Curry: Nice.
[2059.61] Curry: I guess it'd be interested to know what you can do with it.
[2063.97] Curry: And I suppose one of the questions would have been,
[2067.61] Curry: presumably, if you're flying a club, you need a spotter still, do you?
[2071.85] Stephen: Or is it or is it primarily for racing?
[2074.25] Stephen: Yes, I mean, that's the other thing.
[2075.81] Stephen: I did need a competent observer.
[2077.85] Stephen: So because I was not racing in a sterile environment, you know,
[2083.21] Stephen: whatever they call it, a race thing, I needed a competent observer.
[2088.65] Stephen: Right. Yeah. OK.
[2092.41] Stephen: Was that the examiner in that case?
[2094.57] Stephen: That that was my wife in this case, who came along and was competently
[2099.49] Stephen: observing me and shouting if anyone was to turn up.
[2106.94] Stephen: Seeing if I can find out details of what the point is here.
[2111.74] Stephen: Basic standard of safety and flying competence.
[2115.22] Stephen: There you are.
[2117.98] Stephen: So I'm not sure what it gets you beyond the basic standard of safety
[2121.62] Stephen: and flying competence.
[2125.06] Stephen: The basic proficiency certificates provide a measure of competence
[2127.9] Stephen: for pilots operating fixed and rotary wing aircraft fitted
[2131.02] Stephen: with stabilization technologies.
[2133.1] Stephen: An FPV extension is also available to holders of any basic proficiency
[2136.82] Stephen: or a certificate. That's clearly out of date.
[2139.7] Stephen: So, yeah, unsurprisingly, because there's not an FPV extension.
[2143.58] Stephen: I just did the FPV racing asert because people don't do line of sight
[2147.7] Stephen: multi-roader racing for reasons that will become immediately
[2151.26] Stephen: apparent to anyone that see multi-roader racing.
[2153.34] Curry: I feel that that might be interesting because there'll be like eight people
[2157.86] Curry: there saying, did I go through the gate?
[2160.18] Curry: I can't tell from this angle.
[2162.54] Stephen: The one thing I did notice is that immediately after taking this certificate
[2166.02] Stephen: that so BMFA doesn't seem to be aware that there is an FPV racing
[2171.58] Stephen: so and you have to kind of get in touch with people who know about it
[2176.42] Stephen: and inquiring directly to BMFA headquarters.
[2180.34] Stephen: I've got a number of confused responses
[2182.5] Stephen: like you can go and take this at any club and I asked club people
[2186.1] Stephen: and they're like, we don't that there isn't an FPV.
[2190.22] Stephen: You can't do FPV multi-roader.
[2191.98] Stephen: They just had no idea it existed.
[2193.58] Stephen: So so I ended up
[2196.26] Stephen: Andrew slash Frank very kindly put me in touch with someone
[2198.62] Stephen: who was definitely in the know and a very, very competent and helpful guy
[2202.1] Stephen: who was able to to act as examiner. So.
[2206.5] Stephen: Thank you very much, Dave, for doing that.
[2210.42] Curry: I guess I guess it might not be any club
[2212.42] Curry: because the clubs sort of operate all under their own conditions.
[2216.66] Curry: Don't you? I'm sure there's many clubs.
[2218.26] Stephen: A lot of them are very much unaware that multi-rotors are in any way
[2222.3] Stephen: part of the BMFA, it appears, but, you know, some of them obviously know
[2225.5] Stephen: what's going on because they hold races.
[2227.18] Stephen: So, yeah, you just got to find the right people.
[2230.14] Stephen: I think is the takeaway.
[2231.5] Stephen: And once you find the right person, it's it's a great path
[2234.7] Stephen: and fairly straightforward and probably that what would have been sensible
[2237.62] Stephen: is to go to a race club and start racing.
[2239.98] Stephen: And then I would have obviously had those introductions made.
[2242.98] Stephen: But because I wasn't actually doing racing,
[2245.42] Stephen: I just thought I'd start off and do the search
[2247.42] Stephen: without having any private racing knowledge, as viewers no doubt
[2251.06] Stephen: realize from our introduction to Konej episode a while ago.
[2255.18] Stephen: I have no clue what's going on and found the description of Konej layouts
[2260.42] Stephen: and indicating where one should turn or go over and under things.
[2263.54] Stephen: Incredibly confusing that I had not done racing before.
[2266.82] Stephen: But I was able to follow basic instruction and not hit things,
[2270.34] Stephen: which was the important part here, as well as displaying common sense
[2274.58] Stephen: and following the rules and be able to repeat them back.
[2280.49] Curry: It does mostly sound like common sense, the safety step, isn't it?
[2283.93] Curry: It is.
[2284.97] Curry: I like the idea of don't use metal props.
[2287.49] Stephen: It's like, well, now I want to find things like this is a yes and no question.
[2291.49] Stephen: What what do we think the question might be?
[2293.89] Stephen: Should it be a flying death blender?
[2295.85] Stephen: Flying death blenders are kind of cool.
[2298.13] Curry: Well, I mean, that's kind of how they make the helicopters, isn't it?
[2301.45] Curry: They're definitely like, oh, we attach two samurai swords, this thing,
[2304.81] Curry: and we can tilt them to make it go up and down.
[2307.81] Stephen: Yeah, when the when the the wing speed is that fast,
[2312.45] Stephen: it doesn't really matter if they're made of cardboard or not.
[2314.89] Stephen: Does it? It's going to hurt.
[2316.45] Stephen: It's going to be going to be nasty.
[2318.09] Stephen: It's definitely going to leave it.
[2319.37] Stephen: It's going to leave a mark.
[2321.29] Stephen: Mm hmm. Yeah.
[2323.65] Stephen: In fact, this was a helicopter club where I did that,
[2327.81] Stephen: which I guess means it's more kind of open to multi rotors.
[2331.17] Stephen: And they had all the flags in the in the shed.
[2335.77] Stephen: So I'm guessing that they weren't doing heli racing.
[2339.05] Stephen: Is heli racing a thing?
[2340.65] Stephen: I'd imagine given the time to repair an average heli when it crashes,
[2344.21] Stephen: it's probably nothing.
[2345.89] Curry: No, nobody flies FPV on helis
[2349.41] Curry: and nobody takes them under undergates.
[2353.17] Curry: They're too busy doing those insane physics.
[2356.57] Curry: Denying look at my well away from any of the happy with the ground and the air,
[2362.69] Stephen: but no other trees or gates or anything, please.
[2365.77] Stephen: Just yeah.
[2367.41] Curry: Well, they're they're super stale,
[2370.21] Curry: big turbine things that cost a fortune that sound very cool.
[2374.93] Stephen: Yeah, and they'll be flown
[2376.53] Stephen: 300 foot off the deck very slowly in circles.
[2379.57] Stephen: Yes, looking very scale.
[2383.57] Stephen: Yeah, the scale flying thing does.
[2385.89] Stephen: It amuses me.
[2387.49] Curry: I think it can look very, very nice is
[2390.17] Curry: I think scale planes look really lovely in the air.
[2392.93] Curry: The old sort of World War One, World War Two.
[2396.37] Curry: Yeah, planes.
[2397.49] Stephen: I just I just find it faintly comical, I guess, because it's like,
[2401.41] Stephen: is it is it small plane close up or is it big plane far away?
[2405.49] Stephen: It's just it just instantly reminds me of Father Ted.
[2409.89] Curry: I mean, I suppose I suppose it's slightly with scale comes less bumpiness,
[2415.73] Curry: I guess, as opposed to sort of your little foamy sort of
[2420.81] Curry: lump it around in the wind.
[2423.17] Curry: Yeah, how is your plane adventure going since since the first?
[2426.57] Stephen: It's not. I don't really enjoy flying planes.
[2429.13] Stephen: When I've got space to do it, I'll drag it out and give it another go.
[2431.89] Stephen: But you know how I said I can't fly the five inch much
[2435.41] Stephen: because there's not enough space.
[2437.29] Stephen: Well, guess I'm able to fly a wing even less.
[2442.41] Stephen: Yeah, so I'll give it a go when I can.
[2446.13] Stephen: But right now, like I was out the other day
[2449.85] Stephen: flying that three when it was incredibly windy and I was tuning it
[2454.49] Stephen: and like cranking the P gains and everything and D gains
[2458.29] Stephen: and I'm flying that in very, very windy weather.
[2461.89] Stephen: And I can't fly can't fly a plane and anything.
[2465.89] Stephen: But the calmest of calm, especially with like 11 or six motors
[2470.21] Stephen: and a 40 centimeter wingspan.
[2472.37] Stephen: That's that's not going to be tolerant of any wind.
[2475.69] Stephen: So that is that is quite small.
[2477.77] Stephen: We shall see. We shall see.
[2479.77] Stephen: I got it just because I thought it might be a laugh.
[2482.93] Stephen: But I've tried to fly planes before.
[2486.37] Stephen: Like I think I had a hub sand spyhawk and
[2489.97] Stephen: it spent so much time bouncing off the ground.
[2492.41] Stephen: I just yeah.
[2494.01] Stephen: I'm not optimistic about being able to fly planes.
[2498.82] Stephen: What about yourself?
[2501.26] Stephen: I like planes and you've got lots of space.
[2506.86] Curry: Well, yes, I mean, I still there is the weather problem of like,
[2512.22] Curry: if it's if it's too windy, it's it's not as much fun.
[2516.38] Curry: But even when it is a bit windy, as soon as you get in the air,
[2519.54] Curry: you can just sort of ride it around a little bit.
[2521.26] Curry: So that's not so bad.
[2522.66] Curry: As I said, I've still got my other
[2526.98] Curry: walks now that I want to install in
[2530.86] Curry: one of my little wings, which is is a wing.
[2534.82] Curry: I fly a lot actually, because it just the wings just come off
[2537.74] Curry: and just attach back and you can carry it around anywhere.
[2540.66] Curry: So I've had for a long time.
[2543.18] Curry: I've had a flight controller ready to put I never on it.
[2545.5] Curry: And now I've got this walks now.
[2548.38] Curry: I should really crack on and get that done.
[2550.42] Curry: I'm still in the midst of office reorganization.
[2554.38] Curry: The space behind me is ready to get more shelving.
[2557.74] Stephen: And I still it looks like you might at any minute spin around
[2560.86] Stephen: and bang out a tune on the piano.
[2563.74] Stephen: Yeah, or not, or not, or not, no.
[2568.86] Stephen: We don't play very well, but we give it a bang.
[2572.9] Stephen: I think we should have an intro where you're just facing
[2575.02] Stephen: the other way, looking back over your shoulder.
[2579.41] Curry: Yeah, it's I can midi up and fake it.
[2582.13] Stephen: Look, look, yeah.
[2584.37] Stephen: Get the elbows moving.
[2585.49] Stephen: Be fine. That's fine.
[2587.61] Stephen: But what's your favorite wing then or plane or what's favorite?
[2592.97] Curry: I've probably got two favorites, I think I've got the
[2597.13] Curry: I've already never gone with called dementia setting.
[2600.13] Curry: What is the man?
[2602.21] Curry: And I'm going to have to look up my own.
[2606.05] Curry: Is it a drag?
[2607.81] Curry: No, they're far too expensive, Caroline.
[2611.29] Curry: It is the this this is it.
[2614.81] Curry: I'm now looking at my own videos and I've typed in wing hoping that I'll find it.
[2626.97] Stephen: OK. Oh, wow.
[2628.17] Stephen: It looks like someone throwing a dummy through the air.
[2631.85] Jack: Yeah. Welcome to art.
[2637.44] Curry: I don't know who this guy is, but he's very noisy out.
[2640.28] Curry: If you look here, he's like he's literally going to be just done
[2644.08] Curry: like a foam cut out.
[2645.68] Curry: Yeah, I see a foam cut out.
[2647.36] Stephen: And then you've got it's like 2D with a couple of 3D spars
[2651.04] Curry: and then you've got a bit of reinforcement, bits.
[2654.4] Curry: It's I want to see.
[2655.76] Curry: See what that looks like.
[2658.08] Stephen: Yeah, that looks like a challenging launch.
[2661.56] Stephen: I mean, it's got things to hold on to us.
[2663.2] Stephen: Where's the where's the prop?
[2664.84] Stephen: Oh, it's under the guy's chin.
[2665.96] Stephen: Is it there? There you go.
[2667.32] Stephen: It's got his calf stabilizers and the ones.
[2671.56] Curry: Oh, it is a launch.
[2675.38] Curry: All right.
[2677.78] Stephen: Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
[2681.42] Stephen: It's quite convincing once it gets like 20 or 30 meters away.
[2685.1] Stephen: Yeah. Don't realize it's 2D.
[2687.3] Stephen: Oh, most are not working.
[2688.9] Stephen: How's it glide?
[2690.94] Curry: I mean, that's not bad.
[2692.78] Curry: Better than a person, I would say.
[2694.18] Curry: It's not the worst landing I've seen.
[2697.26] Curry: But yeah, that is, you know, oh, he's got a cape now.
[2701.62] Stephen: That's fun. That's what you need, isn't it?
[2703.62] Stephen: It's literally super convincing.
[2705.82] Stephen: It's pretty convincing.
[2708.26] Stephen: I reckon you can do it out of foam board, I think.
[2711.06] Stephen: Yeah, do anything out of foam board.
[2715.02] Stephen: Yeah, just need enough power to weight ratio and you're sorted.
[2719.18] Stephen: And fantastic.
[2720.78] Curry: What I still haven't found out is what my favorite wing is.
[2724.26] Curry: My other favorite wing, which is over there,
[2726.86] Curry: is the Mini Talon,
[2729.78] Curry: which is a sort of a largest wing and carries quite a heavy payload.
[2735.86] Curry: Is that the open HD one?
[2738.3] Curry: No, that's that's the the Mini Talons are more of a traditional plane.
[2743.22] Curry: It's a V tail.
[2745.58] Curry: But it will it's quite a substantial plane,
[2749.06] Curry: and I fly on like a 5,200 4S,
[2752.14] Curry: and I haven't run out of battery yet after about 40 minutes.
[2755.9] Curry: Either it's winter and my thumbs are frozen
[2757.9] Curry: or I've got a bit bored because I've already explored everywhere.
[2760.9] Curry: So I come and land it again.
[2763.5] Curry: What's the wingspan? It's.
[2767.62] Curry: I'm going to say it's like about four and a half by feet,
[2770.58] Curry: but it's a very deep, deep wing.
[2772.46] Curry: So it's got quite a lot of wing area.
[2775.42] Curry: 5,200 mile 4S is a heck of a pack.
[2778.58] Curry: Yeah, you could probably double that easily.
[2780.46] Curry: Quite substantially, but that is that's a quite a big plane.
[2786.98] Curry: And when it comes into like glide, it
[2792.22] Curry: it needs quite a lot of space to land.
[2794.18] Curry: So that's that's again, it's another plane,
[2796.22] Curry: like you were saying, where you need the area.
[2798.42] Curry: But the one that I like to fly to come down will remember, hold up.
[2802.94] Curry: I will get this now because I will look is the same make
[2807.34] Curry: as the the wing I did or the little plane I did not too long ago.
[2812.34] Curry: So I will just figure out what that what the make of that one is.
[2816.58] Curry: And then I will get that from there.
[2818.7] Stephen: That is a thinky, thinky, thinky, thinky, thinky.
[2822.42] Stephen: I don't really thinking sounds.
[2825.1] Stephen: Thinking Curry. Yeah.
[2827.1] Stephen: Ariana, the thinking that's so wrong.
[2830.22] Curry: Why can't I remember stuff?
[2832.78] Curry: Can't remember nothing.
[2835.46] Curry: Why is it not there?
[2839.1] Curry: It's not a Bixler.
[2840.18] Curry: No, what's what's the little one like?
[2842.22] Curry: They've got a oh, there we go. It's
[2846.38] Curry: it is a zode, a zode what we'll get it.
[2852.15] Curry: We'll get it. It's not the drift.
[2855.39] Curry: It's the dart, the zode dart.
[2858.75] Stephen: Aha. So dart.
[2860.27] Stephen: OK, that's quite a big name.
[2861.47] Stephen: I've heard zode. Z-O-H-D. Right. Yeah.
[2865.03] Curry: That that is a fun little wing.
[2868.83] Curry: And I see I've got some pictures of it, which I don't.
[2872.51] Curry: And as I'm saying, the good thing about that is
[2875.67] Curry: it's it's about this big, the body and everything is magnetic.
[2880.47] Curry: So you get the wings and the was not the one with the carbon fiber.
[2885.47] Stephen: Look like a quad body.
[2887.35] Stephen: It's like a carbon fiber tube and the wings just was that different one.
[2891.31] Stephen: No, that's a different one. If you look at
[2895.59] Stephen: magnetic does sound
[2897.67] Stephen: good, so long as I guess the magnets are not used
[2901.15] Stephen: along the lines of force that the airframe would sustain during flight. Yeah, it's
[2907.15] Stephen: this is it here.
[2908.15] Curry: That's the little one.
[2909.91] Curry: And it's next to the
[2913.03] Curry: mini Talon, my two favorite planes.
[2917.27] Curry: And this is my friend's accent.
[2919.03] Curry: He used to have everyone's first plane was an accent.
[2923.71] Stephen: It looks a lot like the spy hawk that I had that
[2927.31] Stephen: it's a bit bigger than a mesh cell on eBay.
[2931.71] Curry: Yes, as Caroline says, the ZO-DART is discontinued.
[2934.43] Curry: Is the DART 250G still existing or has that gone now as well?
[2938.67] Curry: But I can put on the little DART a little 1300 3S
[2943.71] Curry: and a good 25 minutes of messing around with that and going fast.
[2949.35] Curry: And I think much longer.
[2951.99] Curry: You were to take it easy or so that that's kind of why
[2956.43] Curry: I wanted to take this one and put the the walk snail in it
[2961.07] Curry: and a proper INF config because it's you can put it in a backpack.
[2966.35] Curry: So all up and just go out.
[2968.71] Curry: And I think I'll use that a lot more
[2972.31] Curry: than putting it in like a bigger plane and doing things with it.
[2977.03] Curry: Makes sense.
[2978.75] Stephen: That's my fun.
[2979.63] Stephen: So I mentioned open HD a couple of times.
[2982.91] Stephen: Not so long ago, you were almost an open HD champion.
[2986.63] Stephen: You know, upgrading and upgrading, upgrading.
[2989.87] Stephen: Things seem to have gone off the boil a bit now.
[2992.23] Stephen: Is it because the project has gone a bit weird or have you just sort of found it
[2998.03] Stephen: a bit of a dead end?
[2999.99] Curry: Not really. I just haven't had time.
[3002.23] Curry: I don't know if you you saw the video I put out while I was in Japan
[3005.75] Curry: saying I'm going to I'm going to change my my video content somewhat.
[3009.83] Curry: Yeah, I saw that.
[3011.07] Curry: Yeah. And that's that's one of the things it's like, well, I want it.
[3013.87] Curry: I wanted to get out fly that again, but I got sidetracked by
[3017.43] Curry: I've got some reviews to do.
[3018.87] Curry: Chasing the review cycle.
[3020.35] Curry: Yeah. Doing the review cycle.
[3021.27] Stephen: You've kind of got blindsided into a lot of reviews.
[3024.59] Stephen: I noticed your channel sometimes you're like quite quiet.
[3027.19] Stephen: And then there's just like a cluster bomb of reviews.
[3029.51] Stephen: And I'm just yeah, I'm almost like,
[3032.63] Stephen: oh, that must be difficult being Curry.
[3034.59] Stephen: Like suddenly you've got 10 different manufacturers saying review my thing
[3038.87] Curry: all at once. Yeah, surprisingly, since I launched that video,
[3042.83] Curry: I've had nothing but emails from people saying, please test this,
[3046.35] Curry: please test this, please test this.
[3047.99] Curry: And to be fair, some of them it's like, well, that could be quite interesting.
[3050.99] Curry: I should have a look at that or that might be helpful.
[3053.59] Curry: So I'll have a look at that.
[3054.43] Curry: One of which is is sitting here on the desk, which I haven't looked at yet,
[3057.19] Curry: which is purely purely a me thing.
[3060.19] Curry: It's just like a wireless mic and transmit,
[3063.35] Curry: which I thought, oh, that'll save me some time
[3065.59] Curry: because I can have that instead of screwing in my big mic and stuff.
[3069.15] Curry: But like other people like
[3072.11] Curry: S.N.T. who make those tiny little cars.
[3074.95] Curry: Oh, yeah. Just sort of sent me three while I was away.
[3078.11] Curry: And then emailed me to say, we've sent you three more cars.
[3080.31] Curry: It's like, I don't know.
[3081.71] Curry: I've got 12 cars of those right now.
[3085.99] Curry: I'll just have a look at another three.
[3087.35] Curry: So walks now. Oh, when?
[3089.47] Curry: Yeah, walks now car would be fun.
[3091.55] Curry: But yeah, so I've got I've still got a bit of a drudge of review stuff
[3095.19] Curry: to get through, some of which do look quite good.
[3098.91] Curry: And like there's a new radio master things.
[3101.23] Curry: I thought I look at that because I like the master stuff.
[3105.19] Curry: But yeah, then then I want to get on with some stuff like doing the follow ups.
[3108.67] Stephen: Like you had a lot of kind of I guess you're just being sort of scattergunned,
[3112.99] Stephen: lots of different things that were arriving.
[3114.95] Stephen: I heard you reviewing in the past saying you had to kind of say no.
[3119.51] Stephen: And you were getting things you didn't really want to review.
[3121.91] Stephen: And it was. It sounds like you want to do the reviews for the fun of reviewing the thing.
[3126.87] Stephen: It's not a career choice to be a reviewer.
[3129.75] Stephen: It's something you're doing because it's fun to review stuff.
[3133.99] Curry: Yeah, I mean, that that's the big that's the big battle with myself.
[3139.07] Curry: It's like somebody says, oh, we can give you this thing for free.
[3143.87] Curry: If you make a video about it, it's like, oh, that looks quite interesting.
[3147.67] Curry: I'm sort of interested in it for myself.
[3151.23] Curry: Not because I think it's like, oh, this is going to cause me to earn lots of money
[3155.83] Curry: from people buying them because.
[3157.79] Stephen: Yeah, you don't want to be part of the crowd, part of the kind of seven or eight people
[3161.87] Stephen: who when some big tech item comes out all drop their review in the same 30 minutes
[3167.07] Stephen: the day that the embargo finishes, because you're not really adding anything,
[3172.55] Stephen: are you, at that point?
[3173.87] Curry: No, I'm just I'm just another small cog in the wheel.
[3177.23] Curry: But yeah, I kind of think if if something's if something's interesting and fun,
[3183.31] Curry: then I'll take a look at it.
[3184.43] Curry: But I would much prefer to have stuff that.
[3189.71] Curry: Make me have some sort of weird adventure or some sort of discovery into doing it.
[3194.87] Curry: Like, I really liked looking at those those those RadioMaster PWM receivers
[3200.35] Curry: because I got to try and sort of retrofit them into a bunch of wings
[3204.83] Curry: and then tried tried flying them and stuff and had little disasters with that.
[3210.07] Curry: And then the new little little unlimited range for 4G FPV system,
[3218.03] Curry: which is going to go in a car.
[3219.79] Curry: I thought, well, that sounds fun, although I'm worried about my car getting stolen.
[3224.91] Stephen: When you look back for all the reviews you've done in the past,
[3227.47] Stephen: you know, got this litany of products going back for years.
[3230.87] Stephen: What do you think stood out as being like the most fun things to review
[3234.91] Stephen: that you personally kind of like got the most out of?
[3240.91] Curry: Interesting. I mean, I kind of I've kind of liked really like
[3248.67] Curry: outstandingly good ready to fly quads, because although like people have mentioned,
[3256.11] Curry: then it's it's really funny when you get a crappy product.
[3259.99] Stephen: And that one in 20s that arrived that year and you just went, wow.
[3264.95] Curry: Yeah, stuff like the Holy Bro quads, which are very good
[3272.03] Curry: these are the Coppice ones, they just all flew brilliantly.
[3278.23] Curry: And the Immersion RC Mojo 230, which was like that that was amazing out of the box
[3288.55] Curry: because that was so far ahead of its time.
[3291.27] Curry: Nobody was doing anything like that.
[3292.95] Curry: So it had two F3 boards in it, one of which was the regular flight controller,
[3297.83] Curry: the other which was their own software with their own OSD.
[3301.71] Curry: It had their own connection to the camera back.
[3304.19] Curry: Do you remember with the CCD cameras you'd often have?
[3307.43] Curry: I mean, you get this with CMOS now, you get like a little menu board
[3310.95] Curry: and you can go through stuff that way ahead of its time had a connection.
[3315.35] Curry: So from the menu, you could go into the camera menu and change things there.
[3320.35] Curry: And you could you could tell it which way the motors were spinning
[3323.95] Curry: and they'd correct themselves.
[3325.03] Curry: And there's like motor diagnosis tool that it would measure the RPM.
[3329.51] Curry: This is the, let me get it, it's the Mojo 230 it's called.
[3333.55] Stephen: Oh, Immersion RC.
[3334.83] Curry: The Immersion RC one, yeah, it's not fine.
[3339.23] Stephen: Wasn't that like a big plastic frame?
[3341.67] Stephen: I seem to remember it was like brightly coloured.
[3343.55] Stephen: So I assumed it had plastic parts on it.
[3346.39] Stephen: Might be back from a time when quads were of a different type of build.
[3351.43] Stephen: Oh, no.
[3352.87] Stephen: It looks like it's that coloured arms or are those plastic arms?
[3357.39] Curry: So you've got normal, normal carbon bits here, plastic protectors under there.
[3362.31] Curry: Oh, bring it all the way down.
[3364.19] Curry: And so it came sort of as is.
[3367.63] Curry: And all we had to do is open this up, plop in a receiver.
[3371.11] Curry: This is some XSR or something with the things hanging out.
[3374.47] Curry: There's giant mushroom antennas and still in one piece.
[3377.55] Stephen: Most of them have got some mushrooms.
[3378.87] Curry: This is the Immersion RC antenna as well.
[3382.07] Curry: And yeah, the CCD camera, but at the time, spot on.
[3387.39] Curry: And this, the thing about it, which I quite like about Immersion RC is
[3393.47] Curry: and you often get things that just don't get tested.
[3397.43] Curry: So like the one S props as well.
[3399.23] Curry: So so like recently it was like beta FPV.
[3403.51] Curry: It's like you receive the ERS module and you're like, how do you update this?
[3409.11] Curry: Because I plug something in and it doesn't work.
[3411.63] Curry: Have you tested this?
[3414.39] Curry: Which they can't have done, which with this thing, they sort of tested it.
[3418.91] Curry: They gave it to like some pro pilots as a test this for us and tune it to your liking.
[3425.19] Curry: And then once they had it sorted and they did all the changes, they put the tunes on.
[3430.51] Curry: So this has got the tune on from who is he?
[3437.5] Curry: Jesus, my memory.
[3440.98] Curry: Somebody who's really good.
[3443.26] Curry: And so that was the difference.
[3445.78] Curry: Yeah, it's gone.
[3447.3] Curry: I can remember some Japanese, but most English words have gone.
[3450.94] Curry: That's all you mean, mate.
[3451.94] Curry: Just remember what the tasty things are.
[3453.9] Curry: Yeah. Let the rest go.
[3455.9] Curry: Thingy, Chad, Chad Nowak.
[3458.22] Curry: Right.
[3459.78] Curry: Something fly.
[3460.74] Curry: Oh, I don't I don't know.
[3462.1] Curry: Sorry, Chad.
[3463.54] Curry: His tunes on that and that that was the difference to me about seeing a chord that's
[3470.22] Curry: perfectly tuned.
[3471.3] Curry: And I mean, absolutely smooth, it's like versus one of my tuning.
[3475.74] Curry: So that is that's a great quad.
[3478.58] Curry: That was actually that was sent by a magazine review that one.
[3483.06] Curry: Thank you. Wow.
[3484.62] Stephen: That kind of dates it, doesn't it?
[3486.06] Stephen: Back when magazines existed.
[3488.26] Stephen: When you could actually get enough of a circulation with a paper publication
[3492.78] Stephen: about a niche hobby.
[3494.26] Stephen: Yes, it's incredible.
[3496.26] Curry: I wrote I think I wrote for five magazines in all and three of them are out of production.
[3502.74] Curry: One, I had to take to small claims court to get them to pay me.
[3507.34] Curry: And the other one is it won't be going too long because I published an article there
[3513.42] Curry: about it was kind of about like old school.
[3518.18] Curry: Traditional pilots flying fixed wing versus quads for one of them in the air show things.
[3524.18] Curry: And in their same issue, they had like a readership survey, the results of it.
[3529.06] Curry: And like the average age of the reader was like 71.
[3532.38] Curry: So it was like, OK, these guys aren't much longer, at which case the the magazine doesn't
[3543.1] Curry: have an audience anymore.
[3544.14] Stephen: So yeah, like when I'm in an airport thing, so I look at magazine racks and
[3548.18] Stephen: I'll get something for the flight.
[3549.3] Stephen: And yeah, it's it's like unless you're doing generic lifestyle tips or photographs of the
[3555.22] Stephen: rich and famous like the broadest, most vague categories, there's just no room in the market
[3560.58] Stephen: for magazines anymore.
[3561.7] Stephen: It's kind of magazines just don't have an existence.
[3563.78] Stephen: Yeah, go read a book instead, which is kind of a thing.
[3568.58] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. And in many ways, personal websites have kind of gone like a lot of people who
[3573.06] Stephen: used to have their own sites.
[3574.1] Stephen: I think Oscar Lang is is the kind of exception when he's still putting out quality content.
[3578.62] Stephen: But a lot of the sites I used to read for quadcopter content, they've just kind of vanished
[3584.7] Stephen: or they've stopped being updated.
[3586.34] Stephen: You look at the last post is 2019 or something.
[3591.34] Stephen: It's all just become, you know, Yolo something out on Instagram or Facebook, put some like
[3598.14] Stephen: weird portrait video out.
[3600.26] Stephen: Another thing I hate.
[3601.94] Stephen: That's the thing that gets me I'm a generation that just cannot abide portrait video.
[3606.1] Stephen: You're doing it wrong, you're doing it wrong, doing it wrong.
[3609.62] Stephen: Like our eyes are not on top of each other.
[3611.54] Stephen: Stop it.
[3613.46] Stephen: And yeah, unless you're doing that, I think you just can't get the eyeballs anymore, unfortunately.
[3620.06] Curry: No, it is a it is a different game.
[3624.46] Curry: But yeah, yeah, so so my my future will hopefully involve some more interesting projects or as I
[3635.26] Curry: said, more sort of longer to produce videos, because despite despite reviews looking like
[3645.5] Curry: they clunk together in five minutes, they do take about the ages of filming and messing
[3650.9] Curry: around and editing and wondering if that works and go back to the manufacturer saying, hey,
[3655.86] Curry: this didn't work.
[3657.18] Curry: It's like I've got from from months ago, a robot kit, because I was I was quite passionate
[3666.86] Curry: about like the stem stuff.
[3668.06] Curry: And I actually had like proper, like competitions and stuff.
[3672.02] Curry: So I built their robot.
[3673.58] Curry: And then at the moment, it's probably been 30 hours of video because I had to build like
[3680.62] Curry: five variations of this robot and get it to do things.
[3684.62] Curry: And then so for the last one, I thought I'd design something really complicated, use all
[3688.86] Curry: the sensors, use all the motors, and then have it drive around this course and use the
[3693.58] Curry: sensors to try and work out what barrels are and pick them up and take them back and put
[3697.1] Curry: them down.
[3697.5] Curry: So very like a lot of work.
[3699.74] Curry: Let's let's do this.
[3700.86] Curry: I figured it out.
[3701.66] Curry: I figured that'd be okay.
[3702.7] Curry: I can I can crack this out.
[3704.5] Curry: And I've made the board brown out, essentially.
[3708.3] Curry: And so I was in touch with these guys and I had to do this test, do this test.
[3712.3] Curry: I said, look, see, it's gone it's gone wrong.
[3714.26] Curry: And it's like it's a combination of having the gyro sensor, another sensor, putting a
[3718.74] Curry: certain motor under pressure makes it go bad.
[3721.46] Curry: And they've come up with we think it's you using regular alkaline batteries.
[3727.14] Curry: We think it's it's browning out and causing the ball to crash.
[3730.5] Curry: And then the motor is getting stuck on.
[3732.86] Curry: And they said, we're going to send you one of our lithium ion packs, which will hold up
[3738.18] Curry: and it's going to fix the problem.
[3740.94] Curry: So while I was away, they said, oh, have you got it yet?
[3743.78] Curry: Is it working?
[3744.3] Curry: I said, oh, I haven't got it yet.
[3745.9] Curry: Did you send it?
[3746.54] Curry: It's a year should be there by now.
[3748.62] Curry: So when I got home, it wasn't here.
[3751.26] Curry: So I said, hey, it wasn't here.
[3752.98] Curry: Do you have like a tracking number or anything so we can check it?
[3755.7] Curry: And I said, yes, we do.
[3757.3] Curry: I said, it got delivered.
[3758.98] Curry: I was like, I checked the tracking number.
[3761.14] Curry: And what they were what there was as proof of delivery was a photo of my open recycling
[3765.3] Curry: bin.
[3766.42] Curry: So they'd taken the package, delivered it to the recycling bin.
[3770.18] Curry: And then they didn't put a note through the door to say, we've put the package in your
[3773.58] Curry: recycling bin.
[3774.26] Curry: So the day after my battery went very tightly, which is probably the worst thing.
[3780.7] Stephen: And I was horrified.
[3782.14] Stephen: I like called up customer service for the company in question and screamed at them bad.
[3786.66] Stephen: Like in no world does putting a package in a bin counter safely delivering like the one
[3793.66] Stephen: purpose of that receptacle is to dispose of things.
[3798.18] Stephen: And what world do you think that that is a safe destination?
[3801.98] Stephen: You might as well just leave it in plain sight and hope someone nicks it because putting it
[3806.62] Stephen: in a bin, like one day in seven, it's going to be immediately disposed of.
[3812.94] Stephen: Like, what do you think?
[3815.14] Curry: I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if they put a note through the door saying, we have put
[3819.1] Curry: your delivery in the recycling bin.
[3820.82] Curry: But because they didn't, my mother-in-law who was staying in the house didn't think like
[3825.98] Curry: to randomly check bins and they didn't send me the tracking.
[3829.54] Curry: So I couldn't it's not like I got tracking updates to say we have we have delivered it.
[3834.22] Curry: And then I could look at the phone and say, quick, get out of the bin.
[3836.78] Curry: It's just like we have randomly hidden it around your property.
[3840.38] Curry: It'd be disposed of if you don't find it in a day.
[3843.02] Stephen: This is like Yodel, who decided that they deliver our pet food and that the best place
[3848.18] Stephen: to leave it was the end of our path on the pavement.
[3851.62] Stephen: And so we got back to find that box had been torn open and like savaged by passing dogs.
[3858.9] Stephen: Like they didn't even bother to carry it up the path.
[3861.62] Stephen: They just dumped it on the street and walked off.
[3864.98] Stephen: Just just awful.
[3867.5] Curry: Yes, it's very strange.
[3868.54] Curry: I've had really high value items just left outside.
[3872.62] Curry: And this battery, they decided like this is this might get stolen.
[3876.7] Stephen: We'll put it in a bit.
[3879.02] Stephen: On a more positive and drone related thing.
[3881.54] Stephen: This is the video I got of the O3 in a very, very windy day.
[3886.38] Stephen: And I had better luck with gyro flow than you did.
[3889.78] Stephen: And I managed to get this out of it.
[3892.46] Stephen: I don't know if you can see, but the trees are going quite considerably side to side.
[3897.78] Stephen: And I managed to get this bit of footage out of it with gyro flow on default settings from the O3.
[3905.26] Stephen: I was pretty pleased with that.
[3906.82] Stephen: Yeah, trees are bouncing ground.
[3909.02] Stephen: It's a bit funny, but when I pitch, it does that kind of funny zooming things.
[3913.66] Stephen: It doesn't want to let me do that.
[3915.7] Stephen: But yeah, I was I was incredibly impressed.
[3919.58] Stephen: I thought, wow, it felt like it had finally arrived at this point.
[3923.3] Stephen: I'm not the biggest fan of the way it does light and dark.
[3929.18] Stephen: It looks to me like it never wants to overexpose, but it'll quite happily like turn a lot of the picture into jet black,
[3936.7] Stephen: which I don't know if it's just my eyes, but something about seeing jet black just irks me.
[3943.5] Stephen: I like to see the detail in the dark parts of the screen.
[3947.86] Stephen: I don't know if you find that, but it irks me for some reason.
[3951.02] Stephen: And I've had camera people say, oh, it's better they don't blow out the bright areas.
[3955.7] Stephen: And yeah, that's good because when it's blown out, you can't get any more detail.
[3958.78] Stephen: But if they don't if they leave the dark areas as jet black, that's just the opposite side of the same coin,
[3965.58] Stephen: which is that you can't pull anything out of those blacks.
[3969.62] Stephen: If they're just black, there's no information that it does.
[3973.5] Curry: It needs to be adjusted in some way.
[3977.38] Curry: So you're seeing the right detail in both ends of it.
[3982.38] Stephen: I gave it a small bump on the EV light plus not point three.
[3986.58] Stephen: And I might just try and bump the EV some more.
[3990.62] Stephen: But I'm not sure if I'm ever going to be completely happy like that
[3994.9] Stephen: compared to the walk snail in similar conditions.
[3998.26] Stephen: The walk snail doesn't overexpose the sky, but it gives me more detail in the dark areas.
[4006.1] Stephen: So it feels like I'm kind of getting the best of both worlds with walks now.
[4011.34] Stephen: Whereas with the three, it feels like the dark areas stay very dark.
[4019.5] Stephen: I don't know. Maybe I'm not enough for a camera snob.
[4022.18] Stephen: And if I was, I'd think that's the better way to have it,
[4024.5] Stephen: because you're making a compromise in the right direction.
[4027.14] Stephen: I'm not too sure.
[4029.22] Curry: Well, I think the problem is we we we're often getting dark areas
[4033.9] Curry: because we fly gently close to the floor.
[4036.22] Curry: So if you're going to have something that's getting the exposure, you want it down there.
[4040.78] Curry: It doesn't matter so much if the sky is blown out
[4044.06] Curry: because you don't need to look at detail there, do you?
[4046.26] Curry: Yeah, I'm flying under a tree as the FPV pilot's eye
[4049.98] Stephen: and not the photographer's eye, I guess.
[4052.02] Stephen: Maybe if you're a photographer, you consider the the entire picture
[4055.86] Stephen: and not just the parts that you want to actually fly into.
[4058.58] Stephen: Whereas, you know, as an FPV pilot, you're like, if I'm going to be flying there,
[4062.62] Stephen: I want to see everything there.
[4064.22] Stephen: And the sky is just the sky, whether it's blown out or not blown out.
[4068.18] Stephen: You're pretty sure unless there's a black dot in it, you're good to fly there.
[4072.78] Curry: I tend to think so. Yes.
[4076.38] Stephen: Well, hey, we've been here for over an hour.
[4078.94] Stephen: We've been going. Yeah, going for over an hour.
[4081.26] Stephen: So probably an appropriate time to call it.
[4084.02] Stephen: Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to the chat.
[4085.94] Stephen: I've been. Distracted, I guess, from that.
[4090.42] Stephen: But thank you for everyone in the chat.
[4092.42] Stephen: Hello, Caroline. Hello, shady and Hydra, I think was there as well.
[4097.5] Stephen: And style sucks. Oh, thank you for your awesome work on Bluejay.
[4103.22] Stephen: We should put out a note that style sucks.
[4106.66] Stephen: And Daniel Mascara have done some fantastic work on Bluejay.
[4115.04] Stephen: And they just put out a release this week for the long-awaited
[4118.96] Stephen: for naught point 20 version of Bluejay that fixes a whole bunch of problems
[4123.92] Stephen: and gives you some some safety checks and things as well.
[4126.84] Stephen: So if you are running a BL Heli S ESC and haven't updated,
[4131.64] Stephen: now is the time to use Bluejay.
[4133.32] Stephen: And if you're using an older version of Bluejay, please update.
[4137.24] Stephen: So, yeah, little tip for everyone out there.
[4139.36] Stephen: Go check it out.
[4140.4] Stephen: And you can use this guy's awesome website to do it as well.
[4144.32] Stephen: ESC hyphen configurator ESC hyphen configurator.com
[4150.36] Stephen: any chrome based browser.
[4151.8] Stephen: So that's edge chromium or Vivaldi.
[4155.48] Stephen: Any one of the bajillion chromium offshoots will work.
[4160.04] Stephen: And you can even use that on mobile devices, I think, on Android, at least.
[4164.32] Stephen: So, yeah, give it a go.
[4166.08] Stephen: Nice and easy upgrade.
[4167.6] Stephen: And it will help because then you can use RPM filtering
[4170.84] Stephen: and even EDT safety arming as well,
[4174.48] Stephen: which will make sure you can't accidentally spin your props in your hand.
[4178.28] Stephen: Everyone wants some mobile device, Android mobile devices that play nicely.
[4184.5] Stephen: Yeah, it's a mobile devices are a bit of a crapshoot.
[4188.74] Stephen: But nothing's going to work in my mind.
[4191.66] Stephen: Nothing works on Apple.
[4192.74] Stephen: No, that's the 3D mode as well.
[4196.38] Stephen: Now you can do sustained and inverted flight as well,
[4199.26] Stephen: but it was a little bit wonky and would look like a decent before.
[4202.46] Stephen: So well done, guys, just an excellent thing
[4206.06] Stephen: and keeping a lot of older quads in the air with up to date features.
[4209.46] Stephen: So I think that's fantastic. Thanks.
[4212.46] Stephen: And with that and a huge thank you to our list of amazing patrons
[4216.82] Stephen: that are scrolling at the bottom of the screen, we will bid you adieu.
[4222.02] Stephen: Thank you from the wonderful Curry Kitten.
[4225.34] Curry: Goodbye. Thank you from the start, Stephen.
[4229.82] Stephen: Cheers. Have a good week.
[4231.54] Stephen: Catch you later, everyone. Bye. Bye.