=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 420 ===
Title: LDO 420 - Simulators, Not Stimulants
Recorded: 2023-09-14
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Rohan "Failsafe" Clegg
Total audience: 1,113
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8owR3NSISY); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1617999018-letsdroneout-ldo-420-simulators-not-stimulants.mp3)
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[0.0] Curry: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Curry: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Curry: we say.
[13.0] Curry: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Curry: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Curry: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Stephen: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Stephen: On with the show.
[20.68] Curry: Hello and welcome back to another episode of Let's Drone Out.
[57.78] Curry: It is episode 420, we've all done some edibles so this should be somewhat of an interesting
[65.46] Curry: show once it's here.
[67.82] Koel: Oh dear.
[68.82] Koel: Yeah.
[69.82] Curry: I'm only joking.
[71.7] Curry: Tonight we are joined by the man with the mustache, Stephen.
[76.7] Curry: Hello.
[77.7] Curry: Evening.
[78.7] Curry: My buddy, Carl.
[80.7] Curry: Howdy.
[81.7] Curry: I'm your host, Brian Tullifly.
[84.86] Curry: Hello.
[85.86] Curry: How is it going?
[87.5] Curry: Feel safe.
[89.78] Curry: If you want to come on, just shoot me on Discord.
[93.1] Curry: My Discord is open.
[94.1] Curry: Sorry we're a little late.
[96.14] Curry: We were mistakenly waiting for Curry Kitten but he had already told me that he's busy
[103.18] Curry: tonight and I had completely forgotten.
[106.06] Curry: If this is Curry listening to this later on, sorry I'm a moron.
[112.18] Curry: And I hope that you do fix your Mega CD because I am very invested in the outcome of that.
[122.82] Curry: Speaking of which, have any of you heard the Unity news?
[127.78] Curry: So this kind of affects the simulators.
[130.06] Curry: Unity, from my understanding, and this is limited to take this with a pinch of salt,
[136.06] Curry: in my opinion, legal notice, Unity released a statement saying that instead of you using
[148.5] Curry: their engine and then once you've made something and then you're selling it, then they recoup
[155.58] Curry: a sort of return on investment like interest and that and take payment for that.
[163.3] Curry: They are now switching over to a per install basis and charging you the developer.
[172.34] Curry: And that's what I think it is.
[174.62] Curry: So if you don't like Curry Kitten, then install Curry Kitten Simulator on your computer, your
[181.5] Curry: laptop, your Steam Deck, because that will cost Curry Kitten money.
[188.9] Curry: If you're a fan of Curry Kitten, don't install it, wait till he rebuilds his game on Unreal
[200.34] Curry: Engine or play Uncrashed if you don't want to cost anyone money.
[205.22] Curry: So FPV, is FPV Uncrashed?
[208.98] Curry: That game?
[209.98] Curry: I don't know.
[210.98] Curry: I haven't got my Steam open.
[212.66] Curry: So who's cost money?
[214.98] Curry: I'm quite confused by this.
[217.38] Curry: Unity, you've turned around and said we're now going to charge per install.
[223.82] Stephen: Oh, right.
[224.82] Stephen: As you know.
[225.82] Stephen: But that's only if you upgrade Unity, isn't it?
[228.38] Stephen: Because they can't retroactively change the license, can they?
[232.34] Stephen: So it'll only be if you upgrade to the latest version of Unity.
[236.02] Stephen: Let me do a Windows swap here.
[237.02] Stephen: So I'm looking at Cam.
[238.02] Stephen: I'm not off to one side.
[239.5] Stephen: There we are.
[241.42] Stephen: Yeah, that's it's fairly typical.
[243.86] Stephen: Unfortunately, in the world of software, Oracle have done similar things with Java
[247.38] Stephen: in the past, which basically means no one wants to upgrade.
[251.9] Curry: 20% per download, including pirates.
[257.78] Koel: Well, yeah, including pirates.
[259.5] Stephen: Well, I think that's a joke.
[261.22] Stephen: Typically, these licensing agreements are overlooked until people start to get serious
[266.98] Stephen: sales anyway, and then they step in and go, all right, mate.
[271.02] Stephen: So because Curry's not, you know, not even making a living, he's really just getting
[277.14] Stephen: money to cover his outlay because he had to pay a registration fee for the Steam store.
[282.82] Curry: So yeah, I just wonder, yeah, I just wonder what the outcome of that would be.
[289.34] Curry: You know, is he now because he has to make money for the Steam store with the 20%?
[297.34] Curry: Is he now negative?
[298.94] Curry: Well, 20% of nothing is still nothing.
[302.1] Stephen: And if it's not retroactive, you're assuming that it's...
[307.1] Stephen: You can't change the license terms and add payment structure without typically updating
[314.14] Stephen: the software unless it's a software as a service offering, which is continually delivered.
[318.82] Stephen: Curry would have to update to some new version of Unity and knowingly walk into this problem.
[324.18] Stephen: So we just hope that, you know, he's spotted it and he doesn't walk into it.
[327.9] Stephen: And that should be good.
[331.18] Stephen: It's not like Unity had all the bells and whistles anyway.
[334.3] Stephen: Unity's the same engine that Liftoff uses.
[337.66] Stephen: And I think that's well known as being, you know, it's almost as ugly as what's that one
[343.66] Stephen: that always annoys me, all the racers like, the really old one that's really, really ugly.
[350.62] Stephen: Liftoff?
[351.62] Stephen: No, the older than Liftoff, what's it called?
[354.98] Curry: Oh, FPV Freerider.
[356.58] Stephen: No, no, no, the, not that one, it's got its own installer and everything.
[362.26] Curry: Velocidrone?
[363.26] Stephen: Velocidrone, yeah.
[364.7] Stephen: Almost as ugly as Velocidrone.
[366.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[367.3] Stephen: Velocidrone.
[368.3] Curry: Look at Cole pulling that out of the bag.
[372.3] Koel: No, I just did a quick Google search of different drone simulators.
[376.98] Koel: I have got the keys.
[379.1] Koel: Google?
[380.1] Koel: Yeah.
[381.1] Stephen: I admit the fly is quite nice, but I fly it for like five minutes and then I think, oh,
[385.5] Stephen: I'll do like a freestyle map and I just go, oh no, let's just bounce off it.
[391.46] Stephen: Trip is quite promising.
[393.06] Stephen: They're overhauling their flight mechanics currently and they seem to be just in a huddle
[399.42] Stephen: right now.
[400.42] Stephen: There might be some interesting news coming from the trip.
[403.34] Stephen: That's TRYP Camp.
[406.9] Stephen: So yeah, check that out.
[408.74] Stephen: A few of us have looked at a closed beta and it flies quite nicely and it's got a big range
[414.3] Stephen: of maps.
[416.38] Stephen: That's another Unreal Engine one, I believe.
[418.78] Stephen: The ice tunnels are super fun to fly down from Caroline, yeah.
[423.34] Stephen: Liftoff's new winter level.
[424.34] Stephen: Oh, I haven't tried the winter level.
[426.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[427.14] Stephen: That'd be cool.
[428.14] Stephen: There's a winter level in TRYP as well, which I've been quite enjoying.
[431.3] Stephen: I'll have to give Liftoff a go.
[433.34] Stephen: I did like the Liftoff microdrone, that was good.
[439.23] Curry: There was Find the Snowmans at Christmas, so I did enjoy that in Liftoff.
[444.87] Curry: I was playing that for a little bit.
[447.99] Koel: Yeah, see, I was doing simulator on a 2010 iMac that can't do anything past 480p resolution,
[454.71] Koel: so I haven't done any updates, needless to say.
[458.39] Stephen: Here we are.
[459.39] Stephen: So Hypo FPV with some of the numbers here.
[462.63] Stephen: So applies if you make more than a million of whatever currency, probably the United
[468.39] Stephen: States dollars, I guess, and have over 200,000.
[471.39] Curry: No, you need an easy upgrade company, isn't it?
[474.03] Curry: Oh, sorry for talking over here.
[476.23] Curry: Isn't Unity based in the UK?
[478.51] Curry: I don't know.
[479.51] Curry: I thought they were.
[480.51] Stephen: I haven't a clue.
[481.51] Stephen: I haven't a clue.
[484.89] Stephen: Well, anyway, whatever the currency might be, I don't think Curry is quite out on his yacht
[490.45] Stephen: thanks to the proceeds of his SIM yet.
[492.45] Curry: Oh, for, yeah, I had a quick look on the, on the, it was like £1.60 or something.
[506.09] Curry: Sorry, Cole.
[507.09] Koel: Yeah.
[508.09] Koel: Just saying Unity, if it's Unity technologies, I don't know if it's the same thing.
[512.29] Koel: I think it is San Francisco, which out of California, yeah.
[517.73] Curry: My mistake.
[518.73] Curry: It shows what I know.
[520.25] Stephen: Right.
[521.25] Stephen: So yeah, he's got a bit of leeway.
[522.73] Stephen: He can probably, in UK currency, managed to trouser about 800,000, but, you know, good
[529.57] Stephen: luck on him if he does that.
[531.57] Stephen: Better play if he could do that.
[533.33] Stephen: That'd be great.
[534.33] Stephen: I don't think any of the SIM people are making huge stacks of cash.
[538.65] Curry: I don't know.
[539.65] Curry: Maybe we could just encourage everyone to like buy it again and like ramp him over the
[544.65] Curry: threshold.
[545.65] Stephen: See, you've got a Steam library, which is nothing but like 500 copies of Curry's SIM.
[552.65] Curry: Yeah, that'd be amazing.
[555.33] Curry: Several.
[556.33] Curry: I've seen you the link, fail safe.
[559.57] Curry: Thanks, sorry, Cole, looking, correcting and looking stuff up.
[563.97] Curry: It's a fun little thing to fly for sure.
[566.53] Curry: There is a lot of places, but yeah, Brighton, they are based in Brighton as well.
[572.17] Curry: And they've got one in Bristol, which is kind of cool.
[579.18] Stephen: They're doing pretty well, but there's something of a stigma attached to Unity Gaming because
[585.9] Stephen: they're very much the, I think by quite a wide margin, they're the easiest place to
[591.5] Stephen: start.
[593.5] Stephen: You end up with not just single developers who are short on time like Curry, but you
[599.54] Stephen: know, game studios who are maybe larger production houses, but less accomplished.
[604.98] Stephen: And their programmers are perhaps not so hot.
[607.06] Stephen: They tend to be the people that use Unity.
[608.86] Stephen: So it's got a little bit of a reputation around it, I guess.
[616.54] Stephen: And historically, it had quite a few weird bugs with input and things, largely fixed
[621.46] Stephen: by SDL now, which, you know, Curry's done a ton of work to get all these different
[626.02] Stephen: radios working.
[627.02] Stephen: And he had to go and find special frameworks to kind of sidestep some of the Unity input
[632.5] Stephen: problems to get different controllers working.
[635.46] Koel: Oh, shoot, guys, I actually have to hit the road.
[641.39] Koel: I guess I'm off to work now because I have to be there early now, according to my phone.
[648.59] Koel: So see you guys.
[650.95] Curry: No worries.
[651.95] Curry: Take care, buddy.
[652.95] Koel: See you.
[653.95] Curry: Hello, failsafe.
[654.95] Failsafe: Hello, guys.
[655.95] Curry: How you doing?
[656.95] Failsafe: All right.
[657.95] Failsafe: Good.
[658.95] Curry: One out, one in.
[659.95] Curry: I know.
[660.95] Curry: Yeah.
[661.95] UNKNOWN: It's always the way.
[662.95] Stephen: What fancy piece of glass are you coming to us via right now, Rowan?
[669.95] Failsafe: Glass?
[670.95] Failsafe: What do you mean, as in the camera?
[671.95] Stephen: Your lens.
[672.95] Stephen: You've got, by far, the nicest image of possibly any guest on the show so far.
[678.27] Failsafe: It's an A7, a Sony A7 IV and a 35mm f1.2 lens, I think it is.
[687.15] Failsafe: So it's a lot of lighting.
[688.91] Failsafe: You've got a decent background blur.
[690.71] Failsafe: Yeah.
[691.71] Failsafe: Yeah.
[692.71] Failsafe: Yeah, it really does.
[693.71] Failsafe: Nice.
[694.71] Failsafe: Good job, man.
[695.71] Failsafe: What have you been up to then?
[696.71] Failsafe: Oh, just working, really.
[698.71] Failsafe: I also did the drone fest thing.
[701.55] Failsafe: Yeah, I didn't really do much this weekend, but hopefully soon we're going to be going
[707.35] Failsafe: out for another trip to various fandos in the UK, because I've not really been on the
[711.99] Failsafe: trip.
[712.99] Failsafe: I've been on some friends for quite a while, because many have been like festivals to film
[718.59] Failsafe: and I've had the drone fest and then last weekend I was sort of chilled out, but hopefully
[724.43] Failsafe: next this weekend I'll be going somewhere to fly.
[727.75] Stephen: It's been a while.
[728.75] Stephen: Cool.
[729.75] Stephen: Cool.
[730.75] Stephen: Yeah, I go that we had a recap of drone fest last week.
[732.75] Stephen: I didn't get around to listening to the show yet.
[734.55] Stephen: I was disconnected in the country, so I've been on the internet for quite a while.
[740.31] Curry: Yeah.
[742.69] Curry: So have you guys seen Flytest have released their easy remote ID?
[751.09] Curry: I don't know whether you guys have checked it out.
[753.49] Curry: I know it doesn't really apply to us UK people yet.
[757.21] Curry: Yeah, it looks.
[759.21] Curry: Yeah, what did you think?
[763.37] Stephen: It's a very awkwardly sized board with a lot of empty space.
[766.73] Stephen: So my first thought was, I bet they could improve the layout on that and actually make
[770.33] Stephen: it so it doesn't stick out so much.
[772.29] Curry: Yeah, there is a lot of unused space around the outside of it compared to the GPS part.
[779.25] Stephen: And the one with the plug has it kind of tantalisingly close to the edge as if like whispering, snap
[784.41] Stephen: me, snap me off.
[787.13] Curry: Yeah, is that a molex?
[789.13] Curry: I don't know.
[790.13] Stephen: It's like a PhD.0 kind of quite chunky molex and they say it could run with power only,
[796.45] Stephen: which is nice.
[797.45] Stephen: You don't need to connect data, I believe it.
[800.25] Stephen: It can function as a GPS as well, although it's not clear if it's going to be some sort
[805.85] Stephen: of MSP GPS or if it'll just pretend to be like a u-blocks device.
[810.61] Stephen: I haven't read that much about it.
[812.33] Curry: Are you tempted to order one and then have a little play around?
[817.69] Curry: No.
[818.77] Stephen: Because if it's designed for America, then probably powering on over here, it might actually
[823.77] Stephen: be just a big beacon to the police, like, please come over here and talk to me and tell
[831.13] Stephen: me I'm in the wrong country and I've just identified myself as a certified idiot for
[835.53] Stephen: firing up something beaconing my identity all over the place on the wrong frequencies.
[841.01] Stephen: So I might leave it be.
[843.49] Curry: Does anyone know, like, what frequency it runs on?
[849.45] Stephen: I bet Frank would know all this stuff, all the A.
[852.61] Stephen: I don't know.
[853.61] Stephen: Is it ADS-B, the transponder frequencies?
[857.09] Stephen: I don't know if they're different countries or not.
[861.81] Stephen: Was it Frank was saying that even in this country it's like a mess of different beaconing
[865.33] Stephen: systems in different regions and things?
[869.89] Failsafe: For remote ID, who are they?
[871.97] Stephen: On aircraft.
[872.97] Failsafe: Yeah, I think Caroline's been attracted to Bluetooth, that's what I thought.
[877.73] Failsafe: I thought it was Bluetooth.
[878.73] Curry: Yeah.
[879.73] Failsafe: Oh, right.
[880.73] Failsafe: Okay, well, Bluetooth should be fine.
[881.73] Failsafe: Yeah, go and see your phone.
[882.73] Curry: Okay.
[883.73] Stephen: If it's Bluetooth, what is it, 2.4 then?
[887.33] Stephen: It's supposed to get like 100 metres.
[888.97] Stephen: I just assumed it was more than Bluetooth if it was doing 100 metres, but...
[892.73] Failsafe: Oh, it's so...
[894.33] Failsafe: Yeah, Bluetooth, yeah, 100 metres isn't real.
[897.01] Failsafe: It's an awful lot, is it?
[898.45] Stephen: It didn't have an external antenna that I saw, so...
[903.81] Curry: I'm desperately trying to have a look and be like, oh, is there one like, you know, sort
[912.45] Curry: of like PCB antennas?
[914.25] Stephen: I thought it was like an easy way of adding GPS to vehicles where you struggle to fit
[920.37] Stephen: in GPS previously.
[921.37] Stephen: I just don't see the point of this business.
[924.37] Failsafe: I don't know how phones work because it's quite, you know, we put these big blocks on
[930.53] Failsafe: the back of our drones to get signal and everything, and even then, you know, it's
[934.65] Failsafe: not always great.
[935.65] Failsafe: Like, it's quite, I don't know, it's quite incredible to me how, you know, you've got
[939.89] Failsafe: a phone and it's got Bluetooth, you know, all this built in, even GPS built in, it's
[943.97] Failsafe: like, you know, it's just tiny.
[946.37] Failsafe: Like, I don't even...
[947.37] Failsafe: You open up phones, you don't even see the antenna in there, so...
[950.37] Stephen: I think a lot of them, you remember the Antennagate thing that iPhone had where they were actually
[954.89] Stephen: running the antenna as a band around the phone, and if you held it in the wrong place.
[960.49] Stephen: I like a human being, then it completely blocked the antenna, so I think there's some kind
[967.37] Stephen: of integral antenna where they put antenna material around the chassis, or at least the
[972.73] Stephen: old iPhone did.
[973.73] Failsafe: Yeah, because you've got the antenna, like, the top antenna lines, so I guess that separate
[978.09] Failsafe: the metal out.
[979.09] Failsafe: Yeah.
[982.46] Failsafe: Is that one of the remote ID modules, then?
[984.54] Curry: Yeah, this is the one...
[986.58] Curry: Is that an antenna in the bottom corner?
[988.9] Curry: The thing with, like, 4-4 written on it?
[991.26] Failsafe: It's like a ceramic antenna, yeah, to me.
[995.82] Curry: Interesting.
[996.82] Curry: Yeah, it does.
[997.82] Curry: It's got a little battery backup as well, so I guess it can get locked quicker.
[1005.94] Curry: There isn't, you know, U-blocks as well.
[1009.14] Curry: Yeah, it's a pretty CB, though, exactly.
[1011.14] Failsafe: Why does it need to be so big?
[1013.14] Failsafe: I don't know.
[1015.14] Curry: It's weird.
[1016.14] Curry: People not running it out.
[1018.66] Curry: I wonder if that's quad-flat, no leads.
[1022.06] Stephen: They've managed a silkscreen, this beautiful flight test logo onto it, but they couldn't,
[1025.66] Stephen: like, label the pads.
[1026.98] Curry: Oh, no.
[1027.98] Stephen: That would be more helpful.
[1029.98] Curry: They don't want to give you information.
[1034.74] Stephen: And that...
[1035.74] Stephen: You see that connector, where it's, like, off the edge, like, hanging off the edge of it.
[1039.34] Stephen: Yeah, and it's already really big, and then they stick the connector on a corner.
[1043.18] Stephen: On a corner.
[1044.18] Stephen: And it's hanging off the side of the board.
[1047.54] Stephen: Why...
[1048.54] Stephen: That's the worst place to mount it.
[1049.94] Stephen: This was designed by someone who flew wings and was like, oh, they need holes at these
[1054.82] Stephen: distances apart.
[1055.82] Stephen: That'll do.
[1056.82] Stephen: And they just kind of yellow-load the board design out.
[1059.78] Failsafe: Just chucked the components of the board.
[1063.22] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1064.22] Stephen: I'm sure if you've got a wing, it's much easier, because you've essentially got a big box where
[1069.14] Stephen: you can just, like, hot glue things inside it, and off it goes happily.
[1074.22] Stephen: But if you're trying to build stuff into a structure, it's going to be harder.
[1082.08] Stephen: Sorry for dissing all the fixed-ring people, implying that they were just hot gluing things
[1085.64] Stephen: into boxes and throwing them into the air.
[1087.8] Stephen: I know some of you also use tape.
[1090.88] Curry: Yeah.
[1091.88] Curry: It is a privilege, less of it.
[1094.52] Curry: Look, you're terrified of PWM.
[1097.0] Curry: You cannot talk.
[1098.0] Curry: I am.
[1099.0] Curry: It's a mess.
[1100.0] Curry: It's a tidal mess.
[1104.04] Curry: Brandon says, our representative aviation administrators will reverse every single purchase,
[1111.36] Curry: right?
[1112.36] Curry: Dominic Clifton said, that is the official PCB design madness.
[1121.72] Curry: Yes.
[1122.72] Curry: It's...
[1123.72] Curry: And Stuckey says, yes, that's a wing-fitting metrocity.
[1130.12] Curry: I don't think Dom wants to bother.
[1132.64] Failsafe: Almost costs as much as the Callux Vista.
[1135.48] Failsafe: Mm-hmm.
[1136.48] Failsafe: Looking out.
[1137.48] Stephen: Yeah.
[1138.48] Stephen: Speaking of which, do you see the HD0 VTX?
[1141.48] Failsafe: Oh, yes.
[1142.48] Failsafe: I saw that.
[1143.48] Failsafe: Yeah, yeah.
[1144.48] Failsafe: They stacked.
[1145.48] Failsafe: They were kind of...
[1146.48] Failsafe: Show off.
[1147.48] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1148.48] Failsafe: Let's get a picture on the screen.
[1149.48] Failsafe: Do you want me to get one, I guess?
[1150.48] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1151.48] Failsafe: I think Dom's obviously had it in stock, didn't I?
[1152.48] Failsafe: That's what I was seeing it before.
[1153.48] Stephen: Here we are.
[1154.48] Stephen: I've got a picky.
[1155.48] Stephen: I haven't kept up, but are they winning?
[1166.32] Stephen: I don't know if they're winning, but they are nice and red, which has got to account
[1170.76] Stephen: for something, hasn't it?
[1173.76] Curry: If it was orange, you'd be all about that.
[1178.76] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1179.76] Stephen: I mean, well, you don't need to go and state the obvious, do we, Jack?
[1182.76] Stephen: If it was yellow or orange, I'd have bought five already.
[1185.76] Stephen: But as it is, it's just red.
[1187.76] Stephen: And that's not going to go with any of my 3D printing filament.
[1190.76] Stephen: So I'm afraid I can't oblige.
[1192.76] Stephen: They've got a large number of connectors on here.
[1195.76] Stephen: It does make me wonder what's going on.
[1198.76] Failsafe: Three connectors.
[1199.76] Failsafe: Three.
[1200.76] Stephen: So there's a keypad, one little keypad.
[1202.76] Stephen: Maybe this is a HD0 specific thing, but there's, yeah.
[1207.76] Stephen: And another one down there.
[1208.76] Stephen: I guess this is a camera connector, but that looks, maybe it isn't actually.
[1212.76] Stephen: Maybe that's serial.
[1213.76] Failsafe: No, I think that's maybe an update port, maybe?
[1217.76] Stephen: I expect the camera connector to be opposite sides from the clamp down with the UFL.
[1221.76] Stephen: But maybe I'm a noob there.
[1224.76] Failsafe: Or maybe it's just underneath.
[1227.76] Failsafe: You see that?
[1228.76] Failsafe: Like just underneath that white connector to the left and just underneath that.
[1231.76] Failsafe: Maybe it's just under there.
[1232.76] Failsafe: It is a.
[1233.76] Failsafe: Like a clamp there, maybe.
[1234.76] Stephen: A solid looking lump of aluminum.
[1236.76] Stephen: I think I was seeing the weight is 22 point something grams for this alone.
[1241.76] Stephen: So that is the same as the Vista pretty much, isn't it?
[1244.76] Stephen: The Vista was that sort of 23 gram area, I think.
[1250.76] Stephen: And it's good for, was it one watt or two watts or something ludicrous?
[1255.76] Failsafe: Well, it says one watt, but then if you look at the actual specs of it,
[1258.76] Failsafe: it says one watt at raceband one or something like that,
[1262.76] Failsafe: I'm pretty sure it didn't.
[1263.76] Failsafe: We have it.
[1264.76] Failsafe: I don't know if this is confirmed or whatever,
[1265.76] Failsafe: but when I watched a couple of videos on the previous few sub ETX,
[1270.76] Failsafe: the power would drop off.
[1271.76] Failsafe: So if you're on raceband one, you get the full one output.
[1275.76] Failsafe: But if you go to like raceband two, three, four, five, six,
[1277.76] Failsafe: and the power just drops off.
[1279.76] Failsafe: And if that's, that's an issue with people measuring it,
[1281.76] Failsafe: if that's actually how it works.
[1283.76] Failsafe: But it does say in the description at one watt at raceband one.
[1288.76] Failsafe: So I don't know if other power outputs have different, sorry,
[1292.76] Failsafe: different channels have different power outputs on that.
[1295.76] Stephen: I think you're absolutely right that it's just a factor that the tuning
[1299.76] Stephen: that you end up with, with less power as you change channels.
[1303.76] Stephen: Yeah.
[1304.76] Curry: I mean, that's standard with analog VTXs anyway, isn't it?
[1309.76] Curry: Still a lot of power.
[1310.76] Stephen: It's not like you need that.
[1312.76] Stephen: I don't think you get totally rid of the sparkles, do you?
[1315.76] Stephen: That's something that's annoyed me a bit with the HD zero stuff.
[1321.76] Stephen: Yeah.
[1322.76] Failsafe: I mean, I did.
[1323.76] Failsafe: I've been like, I use DJI.
[1325.76] Failsafe: Well, I use analog first of all.
[1326.76] Failsafe: Then I went to DJI.
[1327.76] Failsafe: Then I've walked into walks now and I tried HD zero at engraver.
[1331.76] Failsafe: Actually, I tried one of the guys in the chat.
[1334.76] Failsafe: High-preview is HD zero.
[1336.76] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1337.76] Failsafe: So it was quite, I did like the connected feel, I must admit.
[1340.76] Failsafe: It was very connected.
[1343.76] Failsafe: The issue was me was going in those sketchy bits where, you know,
[1349.76] Failsafe: with some other system would be sort of lagging a tiny bit.
[1352.76] Failsafe: But with HD zero, it's just pretty much you can't see.
[1356.76] Failsafe: It's quite, you know, drops off a cliff quite a bit when you're on the
[1359.76] Failsafe: edge of your brain, which every system does.
[1361.76] Failsafe: But I just found that to be quite, you know, I'm not too sure about that.
[1366.76] Failsafe: But apart from that, if you're flying close to yourself,
[1368.76] Failsafe: and it is a very nice connected feel, given that.
[1371.76] Failsafe: That's for sure.
[1372.76] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1373.76] Failsafe: It was all.
[1374.76] Failsafe: It crashed.
[1375.76] Failsafe: I bought my HD zero driving sets.
[1377.76] Failsafe: I did, I think.
[1378.76] Failsafe: I don't know.
[1379.76] Failsafe: I think I got a bit carried away.
[1381.76] Stephen: I think the cost for me was just unexpectedly high because this was
[1386.76] Stephen: coming in, I think, sort of 90 to 100 currency units,
[1390.76] Stephen: which is up there with the DJI stuff, not with O3, but it's a lot for
[1397.76] Stephen: something that I thought of as basically a bit of a bump for analog kit,
[1401.76] Stephen: but not like a.
[1402.76] Stephen: Not like a full premium digital system.
[1406.76] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1407.76] Failsafe: The V-TEX, that V2 one is £94 in the UK.
[1414.76] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1415.76] Curry: So it does look like the UFL connector is the opposite side to the camera.
[1421.76] Stephen: Yeah.
[1422.76] Stephen: And they for, oh, for, yeah, for 94 quid, we're still stuck with UFL.
[1428.76] Stephen: No, I'm CX.
[1429.76] Stephen: Unfortunately, I bet people would really see more room heavier.
[1437.76] Stephen: They've got aluminium blocks on it.
[1440.76] Stephen: Jack.
[1441.76] Stephen: It's not really cutting the mustard to complain about weight once you've
[1445.76] Stephen: clamped a whole load of aluminium onto it.
[1448.76] Curry: Stuff has to be cool.
[1451.76] Failsafe: What are you guys?
[1452.76] Failsafe: What's your guys' opinion on all these flight controllers and V-TEX
[1455.76] Failsafe: is just putting heat sinks on them?
[1457.76] Failsafe: Like you see this, not V-TEX, I don't know what I'm about.
[1460.76] Failsafe: ESEs, they all have just like put a heat sink on the ESE, but like the
[1464.76] Failsafe: speedy ones for like literally what I don't see a reason like just to
[1468.76] Failsafe: make it look good.
[1469.76] Failsafe: Branding, isn't it?
[1470.76] Stephen: It's like putting a spoiler on it.
[1472.76] Failsafe: Just adding extra weight for like what gain, you know?
[1476.76] Curry: I mean, does it help with cooling?
[1480.76] Curry: Does it help with moron splash with like, you know, dodgy soldering?
[1486.76] Stephen: Well, it might catch those little bursts where like something really bloody
[1491.76] Stephen: nasty happens for like a quarter of a second.
[1494.76] Stephen: And instead of that thing hitting potentially 150, 200 degrees C,
[1500.76] Stephen: it might only hit like 120 instead and it might survive.
[1505.76] Stephen: Instead of like de-soldering itself in a blaze of glory,
[1508.76] Stephen: which can happen to ESEs.
[1510.76] Curry: And also, if it does blow, it's a bit of a sort of tinfoil
[1515.76] Curry: shield in the way of your ESEs burning your flight controller.
[1520.76] Failsafe: I guess.
[1521.76] Curry: I don't have a problem with it.
[1523.76] Curry: I don't. I'm not that annoyed by it.
[1526.76] Stephen: I mean, I think everyone I'd love for ESEs to be invulnerable,
[1530.76] Stephen: but there's this constant trade off of cost and space and complexity
[1536.76] Stephen: that everyone's fighting with.
[1538.76] Stephen: And the ESE designs have been pretty much the same for, well,
[1543.76] Stephen: since BL Heli 32 appeared, right?
[1545.76] Stephen: The actual hardware designs haven't changed at all.
[1548.76] Stephen: There is a new chip which is supposed to be dropping the F4A,
[1555.76] Stephen: which combines the MCU with the drivers,
[1559.76] Stephen: so that you just need the single controller chip and then the FETs.
[1563.76] Failsafe: Oh, yes, because you used to use it like...
[1565.76] Failsafe: Oh, I see.
[1567.76] Failsafe: So you get more...
[1569.76] Failsafe: Bigger FETs.
[1571.76] Failsafe: Yeah, that's cool.
[1572.76] Stephen: Because you used to have like your MCU in the middle of the ESE
[1575.76] Stephen: and then you'd have like three little chips next to that
[1578.76] Stephen: and then you'd have your banks of big chunky FETs.
[1582.76] Stephen: So there's three little controller drivers for each channel.
[1586.76] Stephen: You don't need them anymore, I think.
[1588.76] Stephen: I don't know if it was one or three,
[1590.76] Stephen: but anyway, there was some extra chips that are basically evaporating
[1594.76] Stephen: and they're going to add some extra components,
[1600.76] Stephen: diodes and things onto them as well,
[1602.76] Stephen: so that those aren't needed as surface mount as well.
[1605.76] Stephen: So things are slowly moving,
[1607.76] Stephen: but I keep expecting them to drop any month,
[1611.76] Stephen: but for whatever reason, they're not appearing yet.
[1614.76] Stephen: So there's going to be some new ESEs this year, I think.
[1618.76] Stephen: Yeah, the Airbot F4A, as Dom says.
[1621.76] Stephen: Yeah, that's the one.
[1623.76] Stephen: And they're talking about a successor to that already,
[1626.76] Stephen: which integrates more bits onto it as well, a V2 of them.
[1629.76] Curry: Walksnow Avatar HD Mini V3 is out
[1637.68] Curry: and the Matek F405 V2...
[1641.68] Stephen: I was annoyed that I bought a VTX just before they upgraded it.
[1648.68] Stephen: Quite miffed about that.
[1650.68] Stephen: Is there much difference?
[1652.68] Stephen: Well, they widen the voltage range,
[1654.68] Stephen: so it goes from like 3.1 volts to, I think, 13 volts.
[1660.68] Stephen: So you can run it on like a 10 volt back or a 5 volt back or a 1S system,
[1665.68] Stephen: or a 2S, 3S system as well.
[1668.68] Stephen: That's quite handy.
[1671.68] Curry: Yeah, 1.3.1 to 13 volts.
[1676.68] Failsafe: Here's the one.
[1677.68] Failsafe: So you've got...
[1678.68] Failsafe: This is the new one.
[1680.68] Failsafe: It's the V3.
[1681.68] Failsafe: So you've got...
[1682.68] Failsafe: Can you see that?
[1683.68] Failsafe: Is it a plug or a glued?
[1684.68] Stephen: I can't quite see if it's potted or not.
[1686.68] Failsafe: Sorry, it's got like...
[1687.68] Failsafe: It's soldered on.
[1688.68] Failsafe: It's got like glue on the top.
[1690.68] Failsafe: And then you've got a little connector this side
[1694.68] Failsafe: when it focuses.
[1695.68] Failsafe: And that's your USB JST.
[1699.68] Failsafe: You've got your antenna connector there.
[1702.68] Failsafe: You've got a nice little lock down on the antenna connector.
[1705.68] Stephen: Brain relief on the antenna connector?
[1707.68] Failsafe: Yeah, there is.
[1708.68] Failsafe: It's like a little metal.
[1710.68] Failsafe: It has got a metal clasp on the top.
[1713.68] Failsafe: And it's that 32 gig or an 8 gig?
[1716.68] Failsafe: It's 32.
[1717.68] Failsafe: Yeah, you've got 32.
[1719.68] Failsafe: And it takes a maximum of 15 volts input, I think it is.
[1724.68] Failsafe: So this is...
[1725.68] Stephen: Other than going up to 500 milliwatt instead of up to 700,
[1730.68] Stephen: maybe a watt, but maybe not if reports would be believed,
[1734.68] Stephen: this is kind of identical to the other one, but lighter?
[1739.68] Failsafe: Yeah, it's more of a hardware revision, really.
[1743.68] Failsafe: They call it V3, but it's not like a step above.
[1748.68] Failsafe: It's just a slight hardware revision, in my opinion,
[1752.68] Failsafe: to allow that higher voltage input.
[1754.68] Failsafe: I think they're actually now selling this separately.
[1757.68] Failsafe: So you're going to be able to get the VTX separately
[1759.68] Failsafe: without the heatsink on, and they're actually upgrading
[1761.68] Failsafe: the 1S board to 32 gigabytes as well.
[1765.68] Failsafe: So you're going to be able to get 32 gigabytes
[1767.68] Failsafe: on this tiny thing and have that added voltage input as well.
[1770.68] Failsafe: So for people that were...
[1772.68] Stephen: I was going to admit that I bought the 1S
[1774.68] Stephen: just before they did that and then saw the announcement.
[1778.68] Failsafe: It's really annoying how they're doing it.
[1782.68] Failsafe: They're doing these small little changes, which is cool,
[1785.68] Failsafe: but for people that actually buy this previously
[1787.68] Failsafe: and they've just bought one or whatever,
[1789.68] Failsafe: then this slight revision comes
[1791.68] Failsafe: and it's not really named anything different.
[1793.68] Failsafe: It's just going to get a bit confusing for people.
[1795.68] Failsafe: So I do think there needs to be a better naming system
[1799.68] Failsafe: so that people can easily identify,
[1801.68] Failsafe: oh, look, I've got the...
[1802.68] Failsafe: Because when you see this or whatever,
[1804.68] Failsafe: it's not labeled or anything.
[1806.68] Failsafe: You don't know how much storage is on it or...
[1808.68] Failsafe: Yeah, it's not great, but...
[1810.68] Failsafe: Well, actually, that one is kind of...
[1812.68] Stephen: That one has revisions.
[1813.68] Stephen: There's the V1, which was the dual antenna silver one,
[1817.68] Stephen: and then the V2 was black with the 20-mill mount.
[1820.68] Stephen: And now V3 looks kind of the same,
[1823.68] Stephen: but it's slightly lower.
[1825.68] Failsafe: This is only 500 milliwatts
[1827.68] Failsafe: and it's only 500 milliwatts
[1830.68] Failsafe: and it can only take a 15-volt input,
[1832.68] Failsafe: whereas the V2 one...
[1833.68] Failsafe: What I was saying is that that's a good situation.
[1835.68] Stephen: That's a good situation compared to the 1S stuff,
[1838.68] Stephen: which does all look pretty much identical.
[1840.68] Stephen: Visually, it's the original 1S one
[1843.68] Stephen: before they took the heat spreader off
[1845.68] Stephen: and then the one afterwards without a heat spreader.
[1847.68] Stephen: And now there's going to be a V3 version of that
[1850.68] Stephen: that's going to look identical to the one before it.
[1852.68] Stephen: So it's going to be tricky.
[1855.68] Failsafe: Yeah.
[1857.68] Failsafe: I've not tried this one yet,
[1859.68] Failsafe: where you should put it in a building and give it a go.
[1861.68] Failsafe: Did you try all the color fonts, all that business?
[1864.68] Failsafe: I've not, no.
[1866.68] Failsafe: But they have just released a firmware update, I think,
[1869.68] Failsafe: which is fixing a lot of issues, like with iNav.
[1872.68] Failsafe: They've now fixed the issue,
[1874.68] Failsafe: which below the people have been asking about,
[1876.68] Failsafe: which was with custom fonts.
[1878.68] Failsafe: And for some reason, some of the pages wouldn't work
[1881.68] Failsafe: with iNav or some sort of thing.
[1884.68] Failsafe: It's not something I really use,
[1886.68] Failsafe: but a lot of people are bothered by that,
[1887.68] Failsafe: which is completely understandable.
[1889.68] Failsafe: So they finally fixed that.
[1891.68] Failsafe: That's something we've been receiving a lot of feedback about.
[1895.68] Failsafe: I still think they still got along a bit of a way to go
[1899.68] Failsafe: in terms of the image, I don't know,
[1904.68] Failsafe: just the whole stability of it,
[1906.68] Failsafe: the over there link itself and the quality of it.
[1911.68] Failsafe: I still think it's not that polished
[1915.68] Failsafe: as it used to be before a recent update,
[1917.68] Failsafe: but I'm sure they're working on that.
[1919.68] Failsafe: And at least they now actually seem to be communicating
[1922.68] Failsafe: with the actual community, with Shannon,
[1925.68] Failsafe: who's one of the guys that makes all the custom fonts.
[1929.68] Failsafe: So they're actually in direct contact with him,
[1931.68] Failsafe: which is just going to help with getting all the fonts
[1934.68] Failsafe: and everything compatible with the system,
[1936.68] Failsafe: which is really good.
[1939.68] Failsafe: And there's a lot of speculation as well in terms of the goggles.
[1942.68] Failsafe: People think, I was still speaking about the Mad tech desk
[1945.68] Failsafe: or something about them releasing new goggles,
[1947.68] Failsafe: and apparently I had some at Drone Fest.
[1949.68] Failsafe: I can tell you, I do not know anything about new goggles
[1952.68] Failsafe: or anything like that.
[1954.68] Failsafe: But then again, I'm not really that into the loop
[1958.68] Failsafe: as to the development.
[1959.68] Failsafe: They tell me, oh, look, something's coming out
[1962.68] Failsafe: and let me know about it.
[1964.68] Failsafe: But they're not going to say.
[1968.68] Failsafe: No, I kind of would be good to know beforehand
[1972.68] Failsafe: because then I can be ready,
[1974.68] Failsafe: especially for updates in the Discord and everything.
[1976.68] Failsafe: But no, I'm not aware of any goggles or anything like that.
[1979.68] Stephen: Maybe they can turn the SD card slot round
[1981.68] Stephen: and put it in a sensible location.
[1983.68] Stephen: Ooh.
[1985.68] Failsafe: Oh, yeah.
[1986.68] Stephen: Where is it on that?
[1988.68] Stephen: Between your eyes.
[1990.68] Stephen: And it's upside down so that the thumbnail notch
[1993.68] Stephen: that you're supposed to be able to pull the SD card out with
[1996.68] Stephen: faces the plastic body and it's in a stupid place
[2000.68] Stephen: and it's upside down.
[2002.68] Failsafe: Someone with an NDA would say that.
[2004.68] Failsafe: I don't know if I've got an NDA.
[2006.68] Failsafe: I don't know.
[2007.68] Failsafe: I don't think I do.
[2008.68] Stephen: Maybe it's just a better air path.
[2010.68] Stephen: Like MadsTech was looking at optimizing the air path
[2013.68] Stephen: for his fans and things.
[2014.68] Failsafe: It could be.
[2015.68] Failsafe: This is Kaddix.
[2016.68] Failsafe: They could be doing it.
[2017.68] Failsafe: They could do anything.
[2018.68] Failsafe: They could drop something tomorrow.
[2019.68] Failsafe: And I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
[2021.68] Failsafe: But I'm not heard of anything.
[2023.68] Failsafe: But maybe they're just potentially having supply issues
[2025.68] Failsafe: and they just need to restock it
[2027.68] Failsafe: or some sort of issue with supply chain or something like that.
[2030.68] Failsafe: It could be something as simple as that.
[2032.68] Failsafe: Or it could be something, you know,
[2034.68] Failsafe: something they're working on.
[2035.68] Failsafe: But not too sure.
[2036.68] Failsafe: Yeah, they got a couple of things with the V2,
[2040.68] Failsafe: the V1 calls that I want to see improved.
[2042.68] Failsafe: Like the HDMI output,
[2044.68] Failsafe: it has never worked consistently for me.
[2047.68] Failsafe: I've even bought.
[2048.68] Failsafe: Well, I've even asked them to send me.
[2050.68] Failsafe: I've sent me a replacement USB-C board in it to think,
[2053.68] Failsafe: oh, you know, maybe changing the connector out would help.
[2055.68] Failsafe: But no, like after around 10 seconds,
[2058.68] Failsafe: the thing would just cut out.
[2061.68] Failsafe: The video would just stop.
[2062.68] Failsafe: I've tried it on many monitors,
[2064.68] Failsafe: capture cards and everything.
[2065.68] Failsafe: And it's still the same.
[2066.68] Failsafe: And I've heard a lot of people say that as well.
[2068.68] Failsafe: All right.
[2069.68] Stephen: I thought you were flying it at DroneFest last year
[2072.68] Stephen: and you had a monitor.
[2073.68] Stephen: I did.
[2074.68] Failsafe: Yeah, it was working fine then.
[2076.68] Failsafe: Yeah, it was working fine then.
[2078.68] Failsafe: So I don't know if it's a recent update
[2079.68] Failsafe: or something that's caused it.
[2081.68] Stephen: It feels like there might be overloading the system
[2083.68] Stephen: because I'm hearing people say,
[2084.68] Stephen: oh, yeah, get rid of those deflickering,
[2086.68] Stephen: disable recording.
[2088.68] Failsafe: And I'm like, really?
[2090.68] Failsafe: Load of people were saying like, yeah,
[2091.68] Failsafe: loads of people think feature requests and everything.
[2093.68] Failsafe: They're like, just post some, you know,
[2096.68] Failsafe: don't get me wrong, they call ideas.
[2098.68] Failsafe: But I don't think some people realize
[2100.68] Failsafe: the sort of the technicality of just what is involved to,
[2103.68] Failsafe: you know, some things are just limited
[2104.68] Failsafe: by just technical point of view.
[2106.68] Failsafe: You know, you can't just be like releasing a firmware update
[2108.68] Failsafe: to give 4K over the hour or, you know,
[2110.68] Failsafe: a 60 FPS or something.
[2112.68] Failsafe: There is limitations with it.
[2114.68] Failsafe: And yeah, I think we've all got to send out
[2117.68] Failsafe: that need to do hardware revision to, you know,
[2120.68] Failsafe: for some of the capabilities we're stressing.
[2122.68] Stephen: Well, like a lot of other stuff,
[2124.68] Stephen: they might just need to learn the hardware,
[2126.68] Stephen: learn its quirks,
[2127.68] Stephen: and learn the optimizations that are possible.
[2130.68] Failsafe: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2131.68] Failsafe: And there's some stuff going around as well
[2133.68] Failsafe: about Artisan or something,
[2135.68] Failsafe: like Alex don't actually make the firmware
[2137.68] Failsafe: or something like that.
[2138.68] Stephen: Yeah, but it's just effectively the SDK samples from Artisan.
[2142.68] Failsafe: I mean, yeah, that could be something,
[2144.68] Failsafe: it's not so nowhere.
[2145.68] Failsafe: To be honest, like, whoever's not too bothered
[2149.68] Failsafe: as long as this thing's getting sorted and...
[2151.68] Stephen: As long as it works.
[2152.68] Stephen: I have wondered if they maybe would be a bit more open
[2156.68] Stephen: to assistance from the community.
[2158.68] Stephen: It's a question of how open the people they're buying
[2162.68] Stephen: the chips from allow them to be at the end of the day.
[2165.68] Stephen: So I have to wait and see.
[2168.68] Stephen: Maybe we'll see something like WTFOS over time,
[2173.68] Stephen: but it's hard to tell right now.
[2176.68] Curry: Yeah.
[2178.68] Stephen: Originally, they had a known password
[2181.68] Stephen: so that you get into the system
[2183.68] Stephen: and log in when it was booting.
[2185.68] Stephen: But they've changed that,
[2187.68] Stephen: and that caused quite a bit of irritation with people
[2189.68] Stephen: because it was almost like, well,
[2191.68] Stephen: if an update failed, I could, like, fix my system
[2194.68] Stephen: and now you've gone and stopped me
[2196.68] Stephen: from being able to do that on the, you know,
[2198.68] Stephen: just because security, but...
[2202.68] Failsafe: But then again, at least it's not like, well...
[2205.68] Failsafe: I was going to say, at least it's not like Orca
[2207.68] Failsafe: where they... that's not their default,
[2209.68] Failsafe: but I'm just saying, yeah, there was that thing with Orca
[2212.68] Failsafe: with the time locking it out and stuff like that.
[2214.68] Failsafe: That hasn't been that rewarding yet, but I don't know.
[2218.68] Failsafe: That was pretty rude.
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[2245.68] Curry: Yeah, Caroline posted the link, um...
[2250.68] Curry: and it's got a TBS spec wing.
[2254.68] Curry: Apparently she was out flying it and, uh, line of sight.
[2260.68] Curry: Saturday broke it a little, but all repaired.
[2263.68] Curry: It's really tough.
[2265.68] Curry: So that's good.
[2267.68] Curry: E600 for the win.
[2269.68] Curry: 6000, that's it.
[2271.68] Curry: The rhinestone, uh, glue.
[2275.68] Curry: So maybe there is some slight truth in Stephen's statement
[2280.68] Curry: of just glue it and hope for the best.
[2283.68] Curry: Send it.
[2286.68] Stephen: Yeah, I got out and did a bit of flying while I was, uh,
[2289.68] Stephen: hidden away in the countryside as well.
[2291.68] Stephen: So I put a few packs through a couple of different quads,
[2295.68] Stephen: some of the walk snail ones.
[2296.68] Stephen: I had a little one S thing with a tiny light camera
[2301.68] Stephen: and I had, uh, one of the new V2 VTXs
[2304.68] Stephen: with the, uh, the Sony pro camera on there.
[2307.68] Stephen: And I also had a little three and a half inch,
[2310.68] Stephen: which is going to be upgraded to the O3 light,
[2312.68] Stephen: but it's still got the full factor O3 on there.
[2315.68] Stephen: So I was messing around with them
[2317.68] Stephen: and kind of comparing and contrasting.
[2319.68] Stephen: The O3 does give me a great image,
[2321.68] Stephen: but I had a lot of trouble coming out from like,
[2324.68] Stephen: from under trees into bright sunlight.
[2326.68] Stephen: You know, we had this beautiful sunny weather last week
[2329.68] Stephen: before the heavy rain appeared.
[2331.68] Stephen: And I was enjoying flying around the trees
[2333.68] Stephen: and it's exceptionally cinematic,
[2335.68] Stephen: but it is straight up dazzling coming out into sunlight.
[2339.68] Failsafe: Doesn't do, didn't cope too well.
[2341.68] Failsafe: I think that's one of the weaknesses of O3,
[2343.68] Failsafe: like just like reading any system, any camera really
[2346.68] Failsafe: doesn't cover that well, no light.
[2348.68] Failsafe: Um, the camera from my scene.
[2351.68] Stephen: It's very pretty though.
[2352.68] Stephen: Yeah. It gets you beautiful footage,
[2354.68] Stephen: but at the same time, beautiful footage of like dappled light
[2357.68] Stephen: through trees from a pilot's point of view.
[2360.68] Stephen: It's more like, where am I going unless,
[2363.68] Stephen: Oh, look at all the pretty lights.
[2365.68] Stephen: So that they're kind of conflicting.
[2367.68] Stephen: I think I've, I think I've said it before,
[2369.68] Stephen: but I feel like the goals of being cinematic
[2372.68] Stephen: and of having good navigable view,
[2376.68] Stephen: a kind of mutually exclusive because a lot of the things
[2379.68] Stephen: that provide you beautiful cinematography
[2383.68] Stephen: actually make it harder to see where you're going
[2386.68] Stephen: and to distinguish objects from each other.
[2391.5] Failsafe: Yeah. Cause I was obviously, I flew O3,
[2394.5] Failsafe: uh, in grace actually, you know,
[2396.5] Failsafe: you know, we're behind our apartment.
[2397.5] Failsafe: We had Stephen, Stephen was one of the guys who came.
[2400.5] Failsafe: So I was flying, I flew one pack with walks now.
[2403.5] Failsafe: I went around the whole entire apartment, um,
[2406.5] Failsafe: struggling a bit around the back of it and the flow free.
[2409.5] Failsafe: And it was the penetration and performance of it is really good.
[2413.5] Failsafe: So definitely better.
[2414.5] Failsafe: But, um, yeah, it's a surprise like how well it did when I was
[2419.5] Failsafe: just going around the whole house.
[2420.5] Failsafe: It didn't really feel much different.
[2422.5] Failsafe: Um, it's quite, it's quite good in that respect.
[2425.5] Failsafe: Yeah.
[2426.5] Curry: So there's still like DJI still winning the,
[2434.06] Curry: the sort of performance race of everything and everyone's sort of
[2438.06] Curry: like chasing behind.
[2441.06] Failsafe: Oh, I don't know.
[2442.06] Failsafe: I don't know.
[2443.06] Failsafe: I don't know what to say about that.
[2445.06] Failsafe: I mean, there's benefits and downsides for every,
[2448.06] Failsafe: every system to be honest.
[2450.06] Failsafe: Um, yeah, I don't know what else to say.
[2453.06] Failsafe: It's very beautiful.
[2454.06] Failsafe: I'm kind of biased, but yeah.
[2457.06] Stephen: The one thing I did notice with DJI is, um, and I,
[2461.06] Stephen: annoyingly I hadn't noticed it until I think it was,
[2465.06] Stephen: um, is it diversion or the guy who makes the really light,
[2470.06] Stephen: like scimitar frames and he's always on about frost and,
[2476.44] Stephen: uh, and his videos.
[2477.44] Stephen: Um, anyway, he's, he's been looking at oh three and pairing it right
[2481.44] Stephen: down and he noticed that there was a kind of a stutter.
[2485.44] Stephen: Like if you do a, a yore, then sometimes you notice like an
[2489.44] Stephen: unevenness in the frame rate.
[2491.44] Stephen: And if you change it from auto onto manual, for some reason,
[2494.44] Stephen: it stops that, which is a bit odd,
[2497.44] Stephen: like some artifacts of the channel helping the DJI is doing
[2500.44] Stephen: messes with the latency.
[2502.44] Stephen: And if you lock into a single channel, that makes it better.
[2505.44] Stephen: That's a bit odd.
[2506.44] Failsafe: My friend, my friend now for PV, he's a lot of guy that came into
[2509.44] Failsafe: Croatia as well.
[2510.44] Failsafe: He's not, he's flown, he's bought an AO 3A unit,
[2512.44] Failsafe: use it with the B two goals.
[2513.44] Failsafe: And he's been saying, how about all the stuttering really puts him off?
[2516.44] Failsafe: Cause he's, it's a hardcore animal pilot.
[2518.44] Failsafe: So he's quite sensitive to latency and everything.
[2521.44] Failsafe: He was just sort of saying that, yeah, he's not a great fan of, uh,
[2524.44] Failsafe: geo-free and, and Calis Vista as well.
[2526.44] Failsafe: He's, I don't, something doesn't get on with it.
[2528.44] Stephen: Well, then I didn't notice it on the vista, but on the O three,
[2532.44] Stephen: when I like do a yore from side to side and I know like,
[2535.44] Stephen: I'm not doing anything crazy with the sticks.
[2538.44] Stephen: Like I've got loads of expo and I'm just really slowly moving the
[2541.44] Stephen: sticks on these fancy pants, AGO one gimbals and expect the quad to kind
[2545.44] Stephen: of just your like that.
[2546.44] Stephen: And it kind of goes, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
[2549.44] Stephen: And it feels like I'm seeing some frames disappear or the latency is just so
[2555.44] Stephen: all over the place that it's really noticeable.
[2558.44] Failsafe: I mean, I do want to say as well, like in terms of walks now compare with
[2562.44] Failsafe: vistas, obviously I came from vistas.
[2564.44] Failsafe: I went from DJI to walks and I've seen that progress over time.
[2567.44] Failsafe: And I can, I'll definitely rather be flying with the walks and other vistas
[2571.44] Failsafe: because I just, the built in storage as well is super handy.
[2575.44] Failsafe: Like I can, you know, I can post a post of couples in serum reels where
[2579.44] Failsafe: I'm just using the DVR and in my opinion, it looks very much superior, but you
[2584.44] Failsafe: know, just DJI DVR because as you're recording directly on the VX, you
[2588.44] Failsafe: got 32 gigabytes on there and the cake connectivity could be better.
[2592.44] Failsafe: You know, it could have a, you know, a proper, a faster connection to transfer
[2596.44] Failsafe: the footage. That's not a big deal, but yeah, I'd quite like the fact you can
[2599.44] Failsafe: just record and they'll record directly on there on the VTX and you got, you
[2603.44] Failsafe: know, just a clean, um, for you about any interference.
[2607.44] Failsafe: I think that's a really proper advantage over the vistas.
[2611.44] Stephen: Yeah. I have my little three and a half inch where I actually just glued the
[2615.44] Stephen: USB to JST adapter in there so I could just shove a USB cable in the, in the
[2620.44] Stephen: back of it. And I was thinking of crafting some of my own, I bought some
[2623.44] Stephen: little USB-C sockets and I was going to make an extra small USB-C to JST and
[2628.44] Stephen: just like stick them on a couple of the VTXs so I could just plug in and get
[2632.44] Stephen: the footage because it's, it's nice to have does, it does the job.
[2637.44] Failsafe: Yeah. Especially for those smaller builds as well. Now, now the VTXs are coming
[2640.44] Failsafe: with like two gigabytes of storage on his tiny little board, like, you know,
[2644.44] Failsafe: if there's micros and things like that, that's a, that's a big deal.
[2647.44] Failsafe: It lasts a long time.
[2648.44] Failsafe: It's a long time.
[2649.44] Failsafe: Don't even know, three as well. You're getting now the main naked kits, which
[2653.44] Failsafe: aren't really off the shelf, but that's, that's pretty cool as well. I quite like
[2657.44] Failsafe: to try with others.
[2660.44] Stephen: Yeah. And with, with the WalkSnail stuff, you've eight gig or 32 gig on board,
[2665.44] Stephen: but it goes quite a long way at 1080p with WalkSnail, like the, I'll be
[2669.44] Stephen: recording a video and it'll do about 1.7 gigs for five minutes.
[2675.44] Stephen: And if I'm doing 0.3, that's like, I think at 1.20, because you want to get
[2681.44] Stephen: 1.20 in the goggles, you put that up 1.20 4K and it's like nine and a half or
[2687.44] Stephen: 10 gig for five minutes. And that's an amount of data that's actually fairly
[2692.44] Stephen: difficult to move around. It's kind of on the upper end of, am I going to start
[2696.44] Stephen: having to need to take like really fast external hard drives with me if I'm
[2701.44] Stephen: going out for flying for a day, because I might have 200 gigs of footage at the
[2705.44] Failsafe: end. I mean, can you change the, can you change the resolution and things like
[2709.44] Failsafe: that to drop it down so you can record more? Because then you end up with, then
[2714.44] Failsafe: you're going to be flying that resolution. That's the downside as well. You,
[2717.44] Failsafe: wherever you're flying, you're recording in your flight. You also record a gyro
[2721.44] Stephen: flow because you're going to be cropping inside the frame. So you end up with a
[2725.44] Stephen: grittier image in gyro flow because you'd never get the full 4K because you're
[2729.44] Stephen: having to, you know, crop in with gyro flow anyway. Yeah. I've not really seen
[2734.44] Failsafe: that many pilots like Q's O3 as their main camera. Wait, their main actually
[2739.44] Failsafe: camera. I've seen Philip actually, Philip's one of the pilots I have seen where he's
[2744.44] Failsafe: using it as his like, well, he uses it as actually a backup. So he was flying with
[2749.44] Failsafe: the action too. He broke his ND filter midway through the flight and just switched
[2752.44] Failsafe: the O3 footage and it looked really good. So I've not really seen many pilots just
[2758.44] Failsafe: switch exclusively to O3. Most of them are still running an action camera of
[2762.44] Stephen: some kind, which is interesting. Yeah, I think it's worth a go just to actually
[2771.44] Stephen: see if I can get a video out here. I think I've got a couple of clips. Some of
[2778.44] Stephen: the footage is really, really nice, but at the same time, I'm not really a video
[2785.44] Stephen: guy and I did have very good lighting. So I was able to get a few bits and pieces
[2790.44] Stephen: that look nice. I had to fart around quite a lot to kind of get it.
[2796.44] Failsafe: Also, I've just seen them go FPV in the chat saying trouble with DJI VTX is they
[2802.14] Failsafe: have the S bus section two. What do you mean by that? As in?
[2806.14] Stephen: They've got like S bus output from the VTX and some people, if they're not like
[2811.14] Stephen: paying attention when they wire it, they can, they end up connecting the S bus
[2816.14] Stephen: and it just spams a UART and people get quite confused. I always
[2822.14] Stephen: repin the connectors so that I only have like the UART for the VTX and its power
[2829.14] Stephen: supply connected, but by default, the cables they give you, they have S bus as well.
[2834.14] Failsafe: Yeah, I just throw it away. Well, I don't run.
[2837.14] Stephen: Cut them all.
[2838.14] Failsafe: Yeah, I just deep in the UART with S bus.
[2843.14] Stephen: So this is like a shot out of the O3. It's not bad. Obviously I can't play it
[2849.14] Stephen: because then the quality probably just goes to bits. But yeah, I was getting some
[2855.14] Stephen: pretty good footage out of it. It's just, I guess it's too expensive to put in
[2862.14] Stephen: every quad and I can't really take it out of one quad and put it into another
[2866.14] Stephen: at the drop of a hat. But it's nice.
[2870.8] Failsafe: It's like it's frozen for us.
[2872.8] Stephen: Yeah, I didn't want to play it because I thought I sensed and I do, it will just
[2875.8] Stephen: go into a bunch of blocks.
[2877.8] Failsafe: Right.
[2879.8] Failsafe: Yeah, I've seen, well, a couple of videos I've seen, I don't know if he just flies
[2887.8] Failsafe: it, but for all his videos he's doing, like you'll see he's bubbling a new video
[2891.8] Failsafe: saying he's changed a few things in the setup and most of them, the main change
[2895.8] Failsafe: really is he switched the action to his main camera. So I think he is using action
[2900.8] Failsafe: too. And he's flying just amazing. It's just so good. It's ridiculous.
[2905.8] Stephen: Yeah, he's kind of super human. I think I've got a perfect frame in here that kind
[2909.8] Stephen: of illustrates some of the problems of O3, like coming out into sunlight because
[2917.8] Stephen: it looks very, this is what I mean for all audio viewers, it's super cinematic,
[2921.8] Stephen: but at the same time, like, where am I going again? Like, okay, that's beautiful.
[2928.8] Stephen: But yeah.
[2932.8] Failsafe: Yeah, that's a problem which I was being with as well.
[2936.8] Failsafe: I think it's just a quite challenging thing for cameras to do, you know,
[2941.8] Failsafe: switch from light to dark really quickly.
[2944.8] Failsafe: I don't know if the Caddix Vista or whatever you're using previously is better
[2947.8] Failsafe: than actually what it was.
[2951.8] Stephen: I think some analog cameras have historically managed to do it.
[2954.8] Stephen: It kind of get a little ways out and it started to get a bit better.
[2957.8] Stephen: But yeah, you can get a bit close to obstacles without realizing.
[2962.8] Stephen: Do you have to rebind whenever you go back to old air units though?
[2965.8] Stephen: I'm actually not flying the old air units right now.
[2968.8] Stephen: I think most of, I've got them in a couple of quads still,
[2971.8] Stephen: but I found when I pick up something to fly, I'm picking up the walk-snail systems.
[2977.8] Stephen: I'm not really thinking about it, but I'm just flying the walk-snail stuff every time.
[2981.8] Stephen: So yeah, I'm not actually rebind.
[2985.8] Stephen: I haven't had to rebind to the old system.
[2988.8] Failsafe: I've thought about trying DJI as well.
[2992.8] Failsafe: The other thing is I've sold my DJI V2 goggles to a friend.
[2997.8] Failsafe: I've also been using the walk-snail goggles since then.
[3002.8] Failsafe: I just really like the small form factor with them and how they fit on my face.
[3007.8] Failsafe: They're not quite as big as bulky as the V2 goggles,
[3011.8] Failsafe: which is what I quite like personally about.
[3013.8] Stephen: I found going back to the DJI goggles, I was like,
[3016.8] Stephen: oh wait, I must have knocked the focus when these were in the bag
[3019.8] Stephen: because I can see the center of the screen, but the edges are all blurred.
[3022.8] Stephen: Then I was like, oh no, that's just how they are.
[3025.8] Stephen: They're just a massive box goggle.
[3028.8] Stephen: Actually, I haven't used these for so long,
[3031.8] Stephen: I'd forgotten that it's impossible to actually focus on the whole screen.
[3035.8] Curry: I wonder if they call them the 03 goggles.
[3044.8] Stephen: Fancy goggles, they're probably better.
[3047.8] Failsafe: Do they have that?
[3049.8] Failsafe: That's an interesting point because there's a lot of pilots in my group,
[3055.8] Failsafe: those friends, that have tried the 03 goggles too.
[3060.8] Failsafe: I'm actually going back to the V2 goggles.
[3063.8] Failsafe: I think that's partly because with the V2 goggles,
[3066.8] Failsafe: you get 120 hertz refresh rate,
[3069.8] Failsafe: whereas the goggles too are only 100 hertz.
[3072.8] Failsafe: You get a bit more refresh rate, I'm not sure that's the entire reason.
[3075.8] Failsafe: I think the main reason is the fit and how they fit on your face.
[3079.8] Failsafe: I think sometimes people find it's just too much field of view.
[3082.8] Failsafe: That's the one problem I've noticed.
[3085.8] Failsafe: Some people are saying the edge of the image will just be distorted.
[3089.8] Failsafe: They prefer to go back to the V2 goggles
[3092.8] Failsafe: just for less field of view,
[3097.8] Failsafe: but you're getting decent quality and 120 FPS.
[3101.8] Failsafe: That's what I've heard from my group.
[3104.8] Failsafe: I'm not too sure what other people think.
[3109.4] Stephen: I've heard a lot of people recommend going to the V2 goggles
[3113.4] Stephen: to be able to get back 120 FPS.
[3115.4] Stephen: It was always really curious that DJI released their flagship goggles.
[3120.4] Stephen: I would expect the Integra to maybe be the lower performing one,
[3125.4] Stephen: but to have the first flagship goggles for the O3 system
[3130.4] Stephen: come out with a lesser frame rate than the previous ones,
[3137.4] Stephen: that was super confusing to me.
[3139.4] Stephen: I couldn't figure out what was going on there.
[3141.4] Curry: Weird choice.
[3143.4] Failsafe: I don't know if that's still a duck.
[3145.4] Failsafe: I reckon that's probably something too the OLED screens are using.
[3149.4] Failsafe: I don't know if it's such a thing as over-driving them
[3151.4] Failsafe: so you can run a frame rate.
[3154.4] Failsafe: You notice a lot of things with OLED goggles,
[3156.4] Failsafe: like the walk-through ones, for example, they can only do 100 FPS.
[3159.4] Failsafe: DJI do 100.
[3160.4] Failsafe: I don't know if it's some sort of limitation with OLED.
[3162.4] Failsafe: Well, not a limitation with OLED,
[3164.4] Failsafe: but the technology around now,
[3167.4] Failsafe: in that current time.
[3168.4] Stephen: Seems like such a small reach to get from 100 to 120 though.
[3172.4] Stephen: Yeah.
[3173.4] Stephen: Such a small gap.
[3174.4] Stephen: That's interesting.
[3177.4] Stephen: But you're probably right.
[3179.4] Stephen: There's one panel you can buy for a sensible amount of money
[3182.4] Stephen: and that's the one they've all bought,
[3184.4] Stephen: and they just can't do it anymore.
[3186.4] Stephen: Probably right.
[3189.4] Curry: What more do you want?
[3191.4] Curry: DJI have graced you with the new goggles
[3195.4] Curry: and you should buy it and like it and shut up.
[3200.51] Stephen: You make a very valid point there, Jack, obviously.
[3203.51] Stephen: Yeah.
[3205.51] Curry: I had a quibble.
[3209.51] Curry: Who wants a frame rate when you've got a nice looking picture?
[3214.51] Failsafe: That's a buzz for life.
[3216.51] Failsafe: I know it's with thinner foam.
[3218.51] Failsafe: I didn't get much out.
[3219.51] Failsafe: I didn't get out of focus as bad on goggles too.
[3222.51] Failsafe: Also 4x3 helps.
[3223.51] Failsafe: Yeah, that's true.
[3224.51] Failsafe: 4x3, yeah.
[3225.51] Failsafe: I'm just thinking about thinner foam though,
[3227.51] Failsafe: because I had an issue where it...
[3229.51] Failsafe: I don't know if it's just got a massive nose or something,
[3231.51] Failsafe: but basically the goggles would just like,
[3234.51] Failsafe: you know, you just notice that they haven't got much of a cut up for your nose.
[3238.51] Failsafe: So if you've got thinner foam, okay, they're going to be closer.
[3241.51] Failsafe: Is that going to be an issue with your nose as well?
[3244.51] Failsafe: I don't know.
[3245.51] Stephen: I had a big problem with the HT0 goggles.
[3248.51] Stephen: I put them on.
[3249.51] Stephen: It felt like someone had put like scissor blades down the size of my nose.
[3254.51] Stephen: They were so narrow.
[3255.51] Failsafe: Yes, that's well for me.
[3256.51] Stephen: Yeah.
[3257.51] Stephen: Very difficult.
[3258.51] Stephen: Follow big noses, unite.
[3263.79] Stephen: It's a hard life.
[3265.79] Stephen: But yeah, the HT0 goggles, they were kind of my hope,
[3267.79] Stephen: like maybe I get one goggle that just does everything.
[3270.79] Stephen: It's going to be so amazing, like just do absolutely everything.
[3274.79] Stephen: And then when I tried the one, I was like, oh God, no.
[3278.79] Stephen: I've got the wrong face for this beautiful plan of mine.
[3281.79] Stephen: It's not going to work at all.
[3282.79] Stephen: No.
[3283.79] Stephen: It's just going to give me pain.
[3285.79] Curry: It's still no clear winner.
[3286.79] Curry: I just want there to be, we're going with this.
[3289.79] Curry: This is good.
[3291.79] Stephen: Yeah.
[3292.79] Stephen: People are still throwing stuff at the wall, aren't they?
[3294.79] Stephen: That's where we are.
[3295.79] Stephen: Throw stuff at the walls.
[3296.79] Curry: It's hard to commit.
[3298.79] Curry: It's hard to be like, yeah, I'm going to buy that system.
[3301.79] Curry: I'm going to fly it.
[3303.79] Curry: Do you think it'll ever get there though?
[3305.79] Stephen: Or do you think people, there'll always be something that's a tiny
[3308.79] Stephen: increment better.
[3309.79] Stephen: And so people will always be chancing it and seeing what they could do.
[3313.79] Curry: I don't know.
[3314.79] Curry: I don't know.
[3315.79] Curry: I don't know.
[3316.79] Curry: It's like a lot, especially when you think like, how long have we had
[3320.79] Curry: the, the O3 now?
[3322.79] Curry: Have we had it a year?
[3325.79] Curry: Is this our first, you know, like year of it winter and no one's going to
[3332.79] Curry: be flying it and then you've got another two summers and then the three
[3338.79] Curry: year thing where they turn off features and the V2 is not going to work
[3344.79] Curry: anymore.
[3345.79] Failsafe: It's coming up to a year.
[3346.79] Failsafe: I reckon it's about, I reckon about 10, 11 months.
[3351.79] Failsafe: O3 has been out.
[3352.79] Failsafe: We'll just have a look.
[3353.79] Failsafe: The O3A unit itself that is.
[3355.79] Curry: Yeah.
[3356.79] Curry: So you've only really got another two summers.
[3359.79] Curry: We've had, we've had a weird summer where it was really late and then it
[3365.79] Curry: was boiling hot for a week and now it's kind of eased back and that's,
[3370.79] Curry: that's all we're going to get.
[3374.84] Curry: But then it's, you know, then it's deep dark winter.
[3379.84] Curry: I don't know.
[3380.84] Stephen: Yeah.
[3381.84] Stephen: It's a shame.
[3382.84] Stephen: I've been following some of the other stuff where people are messing
[3384.84] Stephen: around with Wi-Fi and that always looks like it's got a bit of promise,
[3388.84] Stephen: but it's always slightly too big or too awkwardly shaped or just too many
[3395.84] Stephen: really complex connections and USB connections and ribbon cables involved.
[3400.84] Stephen: So I think I bought a single board computer that was supposed to work
[3406.84] Stephen: with open HD about four years ago or three years ago and the support never
[3411.84] Stephen: materialized and now it's too old and too slow and it will never work with it
[3415.84] Stephen: and it's just, it's still in its box.
[3417.84] Stephen: Just like I thought that would be a way to, you know, have an open solution.
[3422.84] Stephen: There wasn't DJI, but just never got off the ground unless you've got some
[3427.84] Stephen: massive monster quad, you know, eight inch props that can lift a giant video
[3432.84] Stephen: system.
[3433.84] Stephen: It's probably not the right choice.
[3435.84] Failsafe: Yeah.
[3436.84] Stephen: Boo.
[3437.84] Stephen: Grumble, grumble.
[3438.84] Stephen: Boo.
[3439.84] Failsafe: Bad summer.
[3440.84] Failsafe: Yes.
[3441.84] Failsafe: Bad summer this year.
[3442.84] Failsafe: As in bad, do you mean what?
[3443.84] Failsafe: Too hot or you've not done much into the FPV?
[3446.84] Curry: It's difficult, weren't I?
[3452.88] Stephen: Well, it's been very changeable.
[3454.88] Stephen: Changeable is the polite phrase that people in the UK use to describe the
[3459.88] Stephen: mixture of rain blowing in your face.
[3463.88] Stephen: So you can't see couples with just when you decided to go and huddle indoors
[3468.88] Stephen: and put on all your winter clothing, incredibly hot days that remind us why
[3473.88] Stephen: we should really have air conditioning.
[3475.88] Stephen: And so the running indoors and outdoors has not really abated this year.
[3479.88] Stephen: People haven't really had a period where it's been nice and everyone's been like,
[3483.88] Stephen: okay, I'll actually plan and go fly somewhere.
[3486.88] Failsafe: Yeah.
[3487.88] Failsafe: Oh, yeah.
[3488.88] Failsafe: So we just said rain.
[3489.88] Failsafe: Yeah.
[3490.88] Failsafe: Yeah.
[3491.88] Failsafe: It's been pretty bad.
[3492.88] Failsafe: Some days.
[3493.88] Failsafe: Last weekend as well.
[3494.88] Failsafe: That was so hot.
[3496.88] Failsafe: It's complete opposite, which is absolutely boring, which is good.
[3501.88] Failsafe: But I didn't go flying.
[3503.88] Failsafe: Damn it.
[3504.88] Failsafe: Does he know how you work?
[3507.88] Failsafe: Yeah, that's the problem.
[3510.88] Failsafe: But yeah, I'm so looking forward to next year doing all the trips again.
[3516.88] Failsafe: A courage trip.
[3517.88] Failsafe: We need to do that again.
[3518.88] Stephen: Do you think you can go back to the same locations?
[3520.88] Stephen: Have you got anything else planned?
[3522.88] Failsafe: I think we'll definitely do the road trip again and go back to the same locations.
[3527.88] Failsafe: I think we are thinking of basically inviting the same people as last year
[3532.88] Failsafe: and just doing it because I think we had pretty much the perfect amount of people.
[3536.88] Failsafe: But everyone else is welcome as well.
[3540.88] Failsafe: But it's limited in terms of the transport and the accommodation we've got.
[3545.88] Failsafe: Yeah, we're definitely doing it again.
[3548.88] Failsafe: It was really fun.
[3550.88] Stephen: It was a lot of fun.
[3552.88] Stephen: I was a little bit terrified by the Papermill, but I'm happy to see that everyone came back
[3557.88] Stephen: with all their extremities attached.
[3559.88] Stephen: Oh, that Papermill.
[3560.88] Failsafe: Oh, I've got this scar.
[3562.88] Failsafe: Oh, yeah.
[3563.88] Failsafe: That Papermill was, yeah, just brutal.
[3565.88] Failsafe: That was like, yeah, it was so hot.
[3569.88] Failsafe: One of the balls, which we saw last time, had just been knocked down in the main place
[3574.88] Failsafe: before last time.
[3575.88] Failsafe: It just knocked down.
[3576.88] Failsafe: So there's been changes last year.
[3577.88] Failsafe: In fact, we went there and we still saw some props on the table.
[3580.88] Failsafe: I left them last year.
[3581.88] Failsafe: No one goes there.
[3583.88] Failsafe: Yeah, it's such a cool place.
[3587.88] Failsafe: Any room for a few wings at Dronefest next year?
[3590.88] Failsafe: Yeah.
[3591.88] Failsafe: Bring him, Mike.
[3592.88] Failsafe: We had Dean.
[3593.88] Failsafe: We had Dean.
[3594.88] Failsafe: Hulk Blackheath.
[3595.88] Failsafe: He brought his wing.
[3597.88] Failsafe: Actually, it was a plane.
[3599.88] Failsafe: It wasn't a wing.
[3600.88] Failsafe: But he did bring his plane on the Sunday evening.
[3603.88] Failsafe: You're welcome to bring wings.
[3604.88] Failsafe: There's no restrictions in terms of wings or planes or whatever you want to bring.
[3608.88] Failsafe: As long as it's transmitting on the tent you're flying in, the channel that you're
[3613.88] Failsafe: flying in, then that's what we might as well send it.
[3616.88] Failsafe: Yeah, I can't wait for next year's Dronefest.
[3620.88] Failsafe: We're not started planning yet, but we will be shortly, hopefully, in getting something
[3625.88] Failsafe: together.
[3626.88] Failsafe: There's a lot involved.
[3627.88] Failsafe: It's been, what, last year we spent eight to nine months in Discord calls every single
[3632.88] Failsafe: Wednesday just planning everything.
[3635.88] Failsafe: It does take a while.
[3638.88] Failsafe: It was worth it.
[3641.88] Stephen: Are we going to see some kind of massive supercut of everything from this year as a featurette
[3647.88] Stephen: or anything in the works?
[3649.88] Failsafe: Yeah, so we saw, I don't know if you've seen the Camera Center UK video, but Camera Center
[3653.88] Failsafe: UK, they came along and they've done a FPV movie, actually.
[3657.88] Failsafe: It's well worth watching.
[3660.88] Failsafe: They basically just did a movie.
[3662.88] Failsafe: They took a few people out and did some interviews with a few of the guys, the organizers, and
[3667.88] Failsafe: showed us some flight footage.
[3669.88] Failsafe: It was just a generally amazing video just showcasing the whole event and what went into
[3675.88] Failsafe: it.
[3676.88] Failsafe: We're going to be back in our own video, hopefully soon, just detailing all the shots we've
[3683.88] Failsafe: got.
[3684.88] Failsafe: That's going to be coming soon.
[3687.88] Stephen: I saw a few clips on Instagram from Croatia.
[3691.88] Stephen: Have you got...
[3692.88] Stephen: Oh, yes.
[3693.88] Failsafe: That's on my pretty much endless thing of video footage I need to edit.
[3700.88] Failsafe: The endless to-do list.
[3702.88] Failsafe: Yes.
[3703.88] Failsafe: I will be getting that edited soon.
[3706.88] Failsafe: I know.
[3707.88] Stephen: It's always one of these things that hangs over you, isn't it?
[3710.88] Stephen: It's difficult.
[3711.88] Failsafe: It's like 800 gigabytes worth of footage.
[3714.88] Failsafe: It's been a holiday.
[3715.88] Failsafe: I've got to go through.
[3716.88] Failsafe: Oh, man.
[3717.88] Failsafe: That is mental.
[3718.88] Stephen: It's like there's a creative red bull that's got a date with you.
[3722.88] Stephen: You've just got to sit down there and watch days of footage.
[3725.88] Stephen: It's crazy.
[3726.88] Failsafe: I've got so many different shots.
[3728.88] Failsafe: It's just working out how to put them together.
[3730.88] Failsafe: I think that's the main thing because we did so many different things.
[3733.88] Failsafe: One minute we're going carting, one minute we're doing paddle boarding, and the next
[3740.88] Failsafe: minute we're flying.
[3741.88] Failsafe: There's so many different things.
[3742.88] Failsafe: I just need to find a way of putting them together.
[3744.88] Failsafe: I think I'm going to start.
[3745.88] Curry: Talk to you about the hassle, isn't it?
[3747.88] Failsafe: It's going to be all footage of the house, be all footage of each of the bandos.
[3751.88] Failsafe: It's just how do you put a video together?
[3755.88] Failsafe: I'm thinking of doing a video where I'm just overlaying it, just doing a speech over it,
[3759.88] Failsafe: and then just showcase it, just talking a bit about each of the places, cutting to different
[3763.88] Failsafe: things for live footage.
[3765.88] Failsafe: I also don't want to make it too long as well because I don't think people want to watch
[3769.88] Stephen: like a four hour epic like Lawrence of Arabia with quads.
[3775.88] Stephen: Just a quad slowly, the distance getting closer and closer and closer with dramatic music
[3782.88] Stephen: playing.
[3783.88] Failsafe: So many people are used to short form content now, like on a little TikTok or Instagram
[3790.88] Failsafe: Reels.
[3791.88] Failsafe: I don't know if someone will want to watch like a 20 minute video.
[3794.88] Stephen: Ignoramuses.
[3795.88] Stephen: Make them educated.
[3797.88] Stephen: Set them down for a button.
[3799.88] Stephen: I mean, Christopher Nolan, three and a half hour epic with quads.
[3803.88] Curry: Yeah, I'll definitely do that.
[3807.88] Curry: Can you imagine that?
[3809.88] Curry: Just taking people to the...
[3812.88] Failsafe: I know!
[3813.88] Failsafe: It's Mad Tech.
[3814.88] Curry: Mad Tech.
[3815.88] Stephen: I just can't stop thinking about the intro to Lawrence of Arabia, but with quads like
[3819.88] Stephen: a quad getting really just looking out over a desert and it goes towards you really slowly.
[3824.88] Stephen: It's just dramatic music.
[3827.88] Curry: It really sort of makes you like take your hat off to vloggers where they have the cutaways
[3835.88] Curry: explaining like we done this and this, you know, this happened and, you know, like B-roll
[3842.88] Curry: and sort of just continuity.
[3845.88] Curry: Like the way Cole does it is like he takes my footage of a, you know, like a place that
[3854.88] Curry: he's never been.
[3855.88] Curry: He wasn't there on the trip and sort of like puts it together.
[3858.88] Curry: So it's like, you know, just digestible.
[3864.88] Curry: I really, the goal, I appreciate you if you listen to this.
[3867.88] Curry: You probably won't, but no worries.
[3872.88] Curry: Right.
[3873.88] Curry: Unfortunately, that is all we got time for.
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[3894.88] Stephen: Thank you.
[3895.88] Curry: Yeah.
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[3932.88] Curry: And you guys rule.
[3935.88] Curry: You've been listening to The Man With The Restart, Stephen.
[3940.88] Curry: Good evening.
[3941.88] Curry: Good to talk to you all again.
[3943.88] Curry: See you next week.
[3944.88] Curry: DJ failsafe.
[3946.88] Failsafe: Hello.
[3947.88] Failsafe: Yep.
[3948.88] Failsafe: See you all next week.
[3950.88] Curry: And my buddy Cole, who's not here anymore, because he had to shoot off to work.
[3955.88] Curry: And I'm bright until I fly.
[3957.88] Curry: Thank you.
[3958.88] Curry: Good night.
[3959.88] Curry: Telemetry lost.